From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 18:44:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7F132B2 for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.tridentusa.com (mail.tridentusa.com [96.225.19.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.tridentusa.com", Issuer "mail.tridentusa.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 433A72B0C for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 18:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 89439 invoked from network); 29 May 2014 14:37:55 -0400 Received: from pool-108-35-177-91.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net (HELO new-host.home) (jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@108.35.177.91) by mail.tridentusa.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 May 2014 14:37:55 -0400 Message-ID: <53877E83.9060402@tridentusa.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:37:55 -0400 From: John Johnstone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: please configure this list to subscriber-only, was contact your bank immediately References: <20140529175530.9492.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20140529175530.9492.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:44:38 -0000 On 5/29/14 1:55 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> It�s really becoming a PITA to stay on the list. >> >> It is really trivial to filter out. I use a separate address for lists >> and filter anything that lacks either an appropriate List-Id or an >> appropriate domain in a References header. The in-list spam is >> negligible. > > Today there seems to be as much spam as real mail, and more meta-spam > than either. > > Every other list I'm on limits posting to subscribers which stops the > spam dead. Nearly all the spam is just blasted out at random and the > list's address happens to be one of the million targets. It's very > rare in my experience for a spammer to go to the effort of signing up > for a list to spam through it. > > R's, > John I wholeheartedly agree. Spammer's send through such highly automated methods that in nearly all cases they are not doing anything that requires specific manual effort. Are there other significant mailing lists anywhere today besides the FreeBSD world that don't require subscription? I have a great deal of respect for the FreeBSD community but I find it unbelievable that a subscription isn't required. It's a trivial amount of effort for any interested ones to subscribe. If they have the knowledge and desire to attempt to use FreeBSD they will certainly have the knowledge and desire to subscribe. - John J.