From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 6 19:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383F816A400 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AA943D5F for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:38:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id e30so1057148pya for ; Sat, 06 May 2006 12:38:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mS8gtJpg/AuCX+z+9ijB5t4zwDxE86H8uHzOxxa79c95qVlh9+puPh+JD1D5//NxXW/qRofUTe05oAr2GdnOEqCmyTLR+wJBopB1uttp7GAt4et7bY6q3OdVJK3wuTQ/yyW3MbtnI2hRR/m1gUDEERVmTtS5DB468FyCqTjjINA= Received: by 10.35.123.2 with SMTP id a2mr645024pyn; Sat, 06 May 2006 12:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.29.20 with HTTP; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0605061238ib77bb38x6f61eb6cc1c1c6c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:38:31 +0100 From: Chris To: "Mike Tancsa" In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505145259.10d8dca0@64.7.153.2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> <445B991F.3050600@rogers.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060505145259.10d8dca0@64.7.153.2> Cc: Mike Jakubik , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 19:38:35 -0000 On 05/05/06, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 02:27 PM 05/05/2006, Mike Jakubik wrote: > >This quota/nve problem sure stirred things up, i guess im partly to > >blame, but anyway i think that it all boils down to is this; FreeBSD > >users now demand stability and performance, as opposed to an influx > >of new bells and > > I think you *are* forgetting it is a volunteer project, so demand is > not a word that can really come into play. No one here has made any > commitment to you or any other user about what will and will not be > in FreeBSD. If FreeBSD meets your needs, thats great! If not, perhaps > try help fixing it yourself, or contributing funds to have someone > fix it. I have been using FreeBSD for some time and run a LOT of my > business on top of it. So when things dont work, its a drag. Deal > with it as best you can (e.g. fix it yourself, work around it or > choose a new OS or pay someone to fix it). In the case of quotas, > dont use snapshots. In the case of the NVE, a $5 realtek (rl) will > work just fine. > > ---Mike > are snapshots a default setting? Chris