Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:24:51 -0300 From: Mario Lobo <lobo@bsd.com.br> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Evan Busch <antiequality@gmail.com> Subject: Re: A quality operating system Message-ID: <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <CAC1X_0bs-Bg1VDiaTnXUifGfPKbtAibH%2BzfxV8=RPCMHJKNLVw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAC1X_0bP8SeyqMaR68AQPMzT%2Br-isv4h0bJPdtaF3377bQ%2BajQ@mail.gmail.com> <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <CAC1X_0bs-Bg1VDiaTnXUifGfPKbtAibH%2BzfxV8=RPCMHJKNLVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Evan; Please allow me some comments. On Wednesday 24 August 2011 23:02:18 Evan Busch wrote: > I didn't expect this much response. That's a bit naive and shows how much you don't know this list. > Some interesting stuff: Here, this is mostly the case. Even the trolls are so. > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Test Rat <ttsestt@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html > > This is an excellent discussion. Thank you. > You bet! Full of technical details and concrete arguments. > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Dave Pooser > > <dave-freebsd@pooserville.com> wrote: > > My own take: > > > > 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's > > Every professional documentarian I've encountered agrees with you. > It's inconsistent, wordy, and has no concept of the order of > introduction of its concepts. No professional software package would > ship with documentation this bad. The multiple grammatical errors only > enhance the sense of its fundamentally confused nature as a document. > Well, I think the handbook has got its name wrong. To me, it should have been called handybook. What you're saying sounds more like you wanted the handbook to be a usage tutorial, which it's NOT what it is supposed to be. If you put micro$oft's docs into this picture, prepare you wallet for tons of books. And in microsoft's case, it has an obligation to take you by the hand, and IT DOESN'T !. I've been using FBSD since 2.2.8. When I first heard of it, I first did my homework: Googled for its history, its architecture, its inner workings, compatibility, etc.. (all of these are IN the handbook, by the way!) and opinions/usage by others. When I went to the handbook for the first time (not straight to it but by chance while googling for some "solution"), I was already a user for a good while. I already knew what FreeBSD was about, so whatever I found on the handbook was already familiar to me!. The only time I resort straight to the handbook is to the hardware compatibility list whenever I'm thinking of buying something new for the server/desktop, but BEFORE I actually buy it. For everything else, man pages and the lists are my lord and my shepard. I think Polytropon put it very well: "In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use the documentation." > > As far as people proving my point about the BSD community being > reactionary: > > (1) [snip..] Let's ponder over this in a rational and cold way. First: You never mentioned in your post for how long you have been using FreeBSD or if you have even used it at all, which its obvious simply by lack of specific details, so your critique looses the "by experience" tag from the start. That's a no-no for this list, which will not measure distances to help people that already tried to help themselves. Second, throughout your post, it sounds like your thoughts sprung up, not from your own quest and research, but from somebody (Ron) who "is completely pro- Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD" (hummm...) and that is "the biggest UNIX fanatic I know"(100x hummm...). And Ron's millage with FreeBSD is never mentioned also, so that kinda drops the critique's "credibility" tag to the floor. Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to your house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you helped in preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well prepared and nutritious. And all of a sudden I storm at your door and yell for all the guests that already know what you know about the food, without even tasting anything, that a "very good and knowledgeable" friend of mine told me that the kitchen is as dirty as hell, the food tastes terrible and that all the guests will get diarrhea and probably die if they eat anything. What would you do? -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE)
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