Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:21 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: Greg Veldman <freebsd@gregv.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? Message-ID: <99191477-270b-3c3d-1c15-e762222cf498@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200513155844.GA1068@aurora.gregv.net> References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200513155844.GA1068@aurora.gregv.net>
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On 5/13/20 10:58 AM, Greg Veldman wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now >> that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman >> 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I >> wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3. >> I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. > > I was typing a reply to this when I saw Matthew's note come in, > I can't add anything to what he said so I won't try. ;-) > >> I kept repeating to people I work for who start using python as >> significant part of their work environment: Python is a sneaky snake. >> Namely, python paces fast with changing internals version to version >> (meaning minor versions here, not only major one). Thus, variety of >> modules one starts using have to keep up, but some may lag behind, then >> one may get stuck to older version of something, forcing older version >> of everything. Not to mention this whole thing being update nightmare. > > One could say the same thing of virtually any software written > in virtually any language. > > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot. It's a real > thing. > > Though to be fair to Python, I also run several sites based on > the Django web framework, including some that are fairly complex, > utilize a lot of packages for Django, and have significant local > development efforts invested. In the Python3 line, I've not yet > had a version upgrade that was anything more than a drop-in > replacement. The major issue between Python2 and Python3 is > they changed the way strings are represented internally, and it > turns out that's a fairly important change for a software package > that processes email messages all day... > >> This all leads me to my second question: maybe it is time to replace >> mailman with some other maillist suite. If someone already made this >> decision, could you share the reasons, and your new choice: > > I said this in the other thread the Matthew mentioned, but if > I had to switch off of Mailman to something else, in my mind > Sympa looks like the best option currently available, based on > my own personal criteria (which I won't get into here). > Thank you, Greg. I will do my reading on sympa. Then, maybe will ask some questions some place sympa experts are likely to be (here will be first choice ;-) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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