From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 29 02:53:51 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA23291 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:53:51 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA23285 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:53:49 -0700 Received: from tartufo.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA17541; Mon, 29 May 95 02:45:06 -0700 Received: by tartufo.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Mon, 29 May 95 11:44 MSZ Message-Id: From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel) Subject: Anybody tried Quantum Atlas Drives yet? To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:44:51 +0200 (MSZ) Reply-To: me@FreeBSD.org (Michael Elbel) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1173 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With people reporting problems with the Quantum Grand Prix drives and me having very good experiences with the Empire series - does anybody have experience with the 4.3 GB Quantum Atlas drives? I'm about to spec a system here and was wondering. It seems that the Atlas cost about the same as the 4.3 GB Barracudas, so, any comparison to those? Also, has anybody had experience with the 4-16 GB HP C1533A DDS drives? I've seen Rod recommend the ARCHIVE Pythons but it looks like those aren't that easily available in Germany. If anybody would like to comment, this is what I've got so far: MB: ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 Pentium 90 32 MB RAM Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller Quantum Atlas 4 GB Disk Toshiba XM3601B CDROM (I know it's caddyless, but I like those) ARCHIVE Python DDS-2/DC DAT-Drive or HP C1533A DAT-Drive SMC EtherPower PCI (That's the one with the Digital chip, right?) V7 Mirage P64 PCI w/ 2 MB ram Monitor Sony GDM 17se (17", 82 kHz) The machine is mainly supposed to be used as development system, later it should become a communications and file server. Michael -- Michael Elbel, PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 29 10:23:11 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02983 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:23:11 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA02977 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:23:08 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01240; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:23:13 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505291723.KAA01240@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Anybody tried Quantum Atlas Drives yet? To: me@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 10:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Elbel" at May 29, 95 11:44:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2241 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > With people reporting problems with the Quantum Grand Prix drives > and me having very good experiences with the Empire series - > does anybody have experience with the 4.3 GB Quantum Atlas drives? Not the 4.3G model, but I have been using the 2.1GB model with outstanding results. The difference is the 4.3G Grand Prix drives are out of Quantums drive plant and claim to be SCSI-III (sure, like SCSI-III is anything you can *really* claim since it is still in draft!) The Atlas series is out of DEC's drive division (which Quantum aquired some time ago) and are true SCSI-II drives. > I'm about to spec a system here and was wondering. It seems > that the Atlas cost about the same as the 4.3 GB Barracudas, > so, any comparison to those? > > Also, has anybody had experience with the 4-16 GB HP C1533A > DDS drives? I've seen Rod recommend the ARCHIVE Pythons but > it looks like those aren't that easily available in Germany. Try looking under the Conner model number 4326, Archive is owned by Conner now, and all drives ship under the Conner logo now. (Though the firmware still ID's the drive with the original Archive model.) These drives are in short supply in the US right now, so they may not be exporting them yet. > If anybody would like to comment, this is what I've got so far: > > MB: ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 > Pentium 90 > 32 MB RAM > Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller > Quantum Atlas 4 GB Disk > Toshiba XM3601B CDROM (I know it's caddyless, but I like those) > ARCHIVE Python DDS-2/DC DAT-Drive or HP C1533A DAT-Drive > SMC EtherPower PCI (That's the one with the Digital chip, right?) Not sure, but probably. The SMC board I use is the ``EtherPower 10/100 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter'' model SMC9332. That is the card that does both 10 & 100MB/sec ethernet using the Digital 21140 chip. I use Compex for the 10MB/sec only version with the Digital 21040 chip. > V7 Mirage P64 PCI w/ 2 MB ram > Monitor Sony GDM 17se (17", 82 kHz) > > The machine is mainly supposed to be used as development system, > later it should become a communications and file server. > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 30 02:26:48 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA14359 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:26:48 -0700 Received: from netcraft.demon.co.uk (netcraft.demon.co.uk [158.152.62.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA14339 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:26:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:13:07 GMT From: freebsd@netcraft.co.uk (Mike Prettejohn) Reply-To: freebsd@netcraft.co.uk Message-Id: <8676@netcraft.co.uk> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: HP C1533A DDS2 DAT Unit X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 20 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message Michael Elbel writes: > Also, has anybody had experience with the 4-16 GB HP C1533A > DDS drives? > Exactly the question that I wanted to ask. Also it seems that HP is currently selling more than one 4-16 DDS2 drive; as well as the C1533A there is the SureStore 6000e (HP C1529F) and I'm not sure if there is a technical difference. I was told by HP's UK Information Centre that the C1533A is an OEM drive; presumably its one that they sell to OEM's rather than one that was made by an OEM. The SureStore 6000e spec crudely looks the same as the C1533A, with some Windows backup software bundled, but it would be reasuring to hear from someone who knows the difference between the two products and has used one or other of them with FreeBSD. Mike -- Mike Prettejohn From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 30 10:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22178 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:22:26 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA22140 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:22:18 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA06959; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:22:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:22:17 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9505301722.AA06959@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Triton chipset experiences? Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any experience in using FreeBSD on a Triton-based motherboard, in particular with performance tuning? Does the chipset need to be fiddled to get maximum possible performance out of the machine? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 30 10:34:14 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA25540 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:34:14 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25480 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:34:01 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA17091; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:33:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505301733.KAA17091@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset experiences? To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505301722.AA06959@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at May 30, 95 01:22:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1193 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone have any experience in using FreeBSD on a Triton-based > motherboard, in particular with performance tuning? Does the chipset > need to be fiddled to get maximum possible performance out of the > machine? I am selling between 3 and 10 ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 boards a week right now (mostly in full systems) and have had no problem with them. You don't have to tweak things to get performance out of this board, though you can get some more if you use 60nS simms with 90Mhz parts by tweaking some of the RAM timing parameters. If you are running a 100Mhz CPU you *must* have 60nS simms and have found that much tweaking beyond the standard set up leads to instability of the system (if you used 53nS simms you *might* get a little more by setting the memory write burst timing to 2-2-2-2 instead of 3-3-3-3). I am currently investigation an EDO memory problem with ASUS, it does not do what it should do from my reading of the Micron EDO memory data books and AP notes. Have you been reading your mailling lists lately??? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 31 16:55:15 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA14122 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:55:15 -0700 Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13593 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:48:56 -0700 Received: from joeh.sj.scruznet.com by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id QAA17158; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:48:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 16:26:24 PDT From: "Joseph C. Ho" Subject: How to get install to recognize Quad-Speed CD-ROM? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I am entirely new to FreeBSD and will apologize up front for asking anything silly or too trivial. I've just purchased the Walnut Creek FreeBSD 2.0 CR-ROM and I am having trouble getting it installed. Here is my problem. The initial installation process went somewhat painfully until I realized that I was suppose to type wd(1,a)/kernel instead of hd(1,a)/kernel when the boot prompt appears. Now I get to the point where it is ready to install the bindist files. The problem is FreeBSD is unable to see my CD-ROM, a Mitsumi Quad-speed IDE CD-ROM. My question is: how do I get the files from the CD-ROM to the hard drive when it can't mount /dev/mcd0a to /mnt? My system configuration: Gateway 2000 P5-90 1.44 3 1/2" FD 1.2 5 1/4" FD HD1: Western Digital 540MB (master) HD2: Maxter 1260MB (slave) slice 1: FreeBSD slice 2: Reserved slice 3: extended MS-DOS (both hard drives are connected to the PCI (primary) IDE connector on the motherboard) CD-ROM: Mitsumi Quad-Speed, model CRMC-FX400 (the CD-ROM is connected to the ISA (secondary) IDE connector on the motherboard; this CD-ROM is set to being a Master) Memory: 8MB Modem/Sound Card: Boca Research Sound Expression 14.4 VSp, combo modem and sound card. (I've also connected the CD-ROM to this card, which has a CD-ROM controller interface; this didn't work either) Graphics Card: ATI GX Mach 64 w/ 2MB PCI DRAM I noticed in the FreeBSD FAQ that the Mitsumi FX001D(16bit 2x Speed) is supported. Does this mean Quad-Speed CD-ROMs are not supported? If so, what kind of work-arounds exist? Thanks ahead of time for any assistance offered. I hate to think I'm screwed and have to give up on FreeBSD. Joseph Ho joeh@scruznet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 31 19:36:32 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25605 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:36:32 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25593 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:36:27 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id WAA22885; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:27:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 22:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: [Q] Recommended laptop To: hardware@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk the lease on my laptop has expired and it is time to get a new one ;) i want X! and 2 serial ports (hopefully). recommendations please. what laptops do you all use? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 1 11:14:17 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29907 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:14:17 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29870 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:12:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA29698; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:51 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506011805.AA29698@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: [Q] Recommended laptop To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:51 MDT Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 31, 95 10:27:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > the lease on my laptop has expired and it is time to get a new one ;) > > i want X! and 2 serial ports (hopefully). > > recommendations please. what laptops do you all use? There is a NEC Versa model that has an 800x600 display. This is the same box that is OEM'ed by AT&T as "The Globalyst" that has the 800x600. In an article in Computer Shopper, NEC has promised 1024x768 some time this year. Personally, I find 640x480 totally unusable. For an 80 column 14 point/2 point spacing JIS 208 font, 1280x1024 is a minimal display. Typical usage is to live with 40 columns and double-width Kanji. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 2 18:35:50 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10792 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:50 -0700 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu (violet.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10786 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:49 -0700 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33r) id SAA13134; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:48 -0700 From: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard) Message-Id: <199506030135.SAA13134@violet.berkeley.edu> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Path: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ernst From: ernst@kuk.klab.caltech.edu (Ernst Niebur) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Is this a good configuration for a serious image processing system? Date: 01 Jun 1995 19:27:57 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: ernst@klab.caltech.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: kuk.klab.caltech.edu Xref: agate comp.os.linux.hardware:11527 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:2449 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:690 Hi everyone, we are in the process of putting together a somewhat serious image processing system. We need to grab moving images (we have already a video camera) and then do processing on them. At present, we use Sun workstations which do the processing fine, but the video capture sucks big time (we need real-time capturing, at least for quarter-size images, which probably requires on-board compression). Since I have Linux running on my notebook for some time already and since I am extremely happy with it, we will go with either Linux or with Free/netBSD. The following is a configuration we put together and we would purchase very soon if no problems show up. Does anybody see any problems with it? One of the important constraints is that we need to transfer data from the video capture board to disk real fast, ie at frame rate. Thanks for your input! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Super-Micro Pentium PCI Triton 256k cache motherboard - ref. P55CWA - CPU Intel P120 w/cooler - 64 Mb RAM, as 70ns 72pin 16Mb or 32Mb (not always available) SIMMs - OEM AMD LANCE PCI 10baseT ethernet board - OEM S3 968 video board with max VRAM - 3-button serial mouse - 17 " Microscan 5EP-MPR2+EPA/.28 - disk: either a 1275Mb Conner 10ms EIDE (CFS1275A) with the EIDE controller on the triton motherboard, or a fast wide SCSI-II. What would be the fastest possible ? Is the NCR SCSI PCI 53c8xx (which xx?) a good choice for a really fast controller ? What popular SCSI-II drives are really fast ? Would this be ok for a combination of Linux/XFree86/NetBSD/FreeBSD ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, btw, the careful reader will have noticed that we don't include a frame grabber (with which our switch to Linux/xBSD started in the first place). The reason is that we haven't yet found one which is powerful enough and which has a driver for Linux/xBSD. There is a Linux driver for the old Videoblaster but that card is -- well, just old. Haven't yet found a better one for which a driver exists. In the worst case, we will write one ourselves. Thanks again! --Ernst -- Ernst Niebur Phone (818)395 2880 Computation and Neural Systems Fax (818)796 8876 Caltech 139-74 ernst@caltech.edu Pasadena, CA 91125, USA