From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 01:07:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07103 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07096; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA09286; Sun, 17 Nov 96 18:05:56 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA21648; Sun, 17 Nov 96 18:05:54 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id SAA01967; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:08:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611170908.SAA01967@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Bruce Evans Cc: current@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org, nate@mt.sri.com, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:27:16 +1100." <199611170027.LAA00201@godzilla.zeta.org.au> References: <199611170027.LAA00201@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:08:43 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, my name is Kazu. I have been working on the `psm' driver and recently wrote the `kbdio' module to provide a set of common I/O routines to be used both with the `syscons' and `psm' drivers. I suggested to S'ren Schmidt and Nate Williams that we start with these routines and improve them. To this end I need reports and comments, and found yours variable. Please note these routines currently does NOT do queuing (as Nate Williams suggested) or check `ipending' (as you have suggested). It doesn't mean these ideas have been rejected or found infeasible; it simply means they haven't been tried, just yet. >Some of the flags and flags testing seem to be wrong: > >1. KBD_DISABLE_AUX_PORT 0x20 > >According to Van Gilluwe, on ISA/EISA keyboards setting this gives: >"Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan code conversion" [not the default]. >This is now used. It seems to be harmless. It was also used in pccons. >It is still defined in /sys/i386/isa/ic/i8042.h (which is where all the >i8042-specific defines should always have been) as > > KC8_OLDPC 0x20 /* old 9bit codes instead of new 11bit */ I have a copy of: Van Gilluwe, "The Undocumented PC", Addison-Wesley, 1994. According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305): ISA/EISA bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is normal operation). 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion. bit 1 Unused, set to 0. MCA bit 5 0 Enable mouse. 1 Disable mouse by forcing the mouse serial clock line low. Data cannot be sent to or received from the mouse. bit 1 0 Do not send interrupt when mouse output buffer full. 1 Mouse output buffer full causes interrupt (IRQ 12). Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards follow and we should honor. MBs with the PS/2 mouse port I own all seem to follow the later specification. Another, relatively recent MB also has no problem setting/clearing these bits even though it has no mouse port. I also tested an old 386 MB without the mouse port and found no problem. These experiences led me to believe that it's OK to manipulate these bits if a PS/2 mouse exists in the system, and is *probably* safe too with old MBs and MBs without the mouse port if they are touched sparingly. So, I use these bits to enable/disable mouse port and interrupt, but they are so manipulated only 1) when the keyboard is being probed, 2) when the mouse is being probed and reset, 3) when the mouse device is opened or closed after a mouse is found. During the keyboard probe (`scprobe()'), these bits are touched to disable the mouse, but they are restored to the state as it was when `scprobe()' was called. During the mouse probe (`psmprobe()'), these bits are touched to disable mouse interrupt, and will be manipulated thereafter only if a mouse is found (in `psmopen()' and `psmclose()'). If no mouse is found, these bits are restored to the state as it was when `psmprobe()' was called. >2. KC8_IGNSEC 0x08 /* ignore security lock */ [in i8042.h] > >This silently went away. Now syscons honors the security lock switch like >most drivers. The PROBE_KEYBOARD_LOCK feature in the bootstrap works >better with old buggy behaviour. Oh, I didn't know the keyboard lock switch should be ignored. The bit should be set then... >3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002 >aka KBS_IBF 0x02 > >According to Van Gilluwe and all other docs and drivers that I've seen, >this bit is for "The motherboard controller's input buffer is full ... >no writes should occur to ports 60h or 64h or the data/command will be >lost". It has nothing to do with the controller's output buffer (i.e., >scancodes for the driver to read). No, it has nothing to do with the output buffer. I wrote the I/O routines to test this bit to avoid writing to the keyboard controller while this bit is on. Isn't this the right action to take? If you think the name "KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY" is inappropriate or misleading, we shall change the name. After all, English is not my native tongue, I am not good at naming. >This bit is spun on for up to 100 >msec in wait_while_controller_busy() which is (incorrectly) called from >read_kbd_data_no_wait(). Not good for a no-wait routine in an interrupt >handler. You are right!! `wait_while_controller_busy()' is called from `read_controller_data()',`read_kbd_data()',`read_kbd_data_no_wait()', and `read_aux_data()', and this is useless. Should be removed. >Calling it a "busy" bit encourages this error. Ok, let's change the name. >The wait_until_controller_is_really_idle() function seems to be unusable. >E.g., when it use used for a LED update,, interrupts are disabled, so it >is guaranteed to spin if a scancode arrives. The LED update will succeed >after a delay of a couple of hundred msec because it ignores the return >code. > >The empty_*_buffer*() functions are broken. They miss scancodes that >arrive a microsecond after the test and are almost certain to miss >all but the first of a bunch of scancodes - the controller is unlikely >to be able to deliver another scancode on the 0-20 usec delay time, >especially if the keyboard is a few msec away from sending it! See >pcvt_kbd.c for a working version (which is unsuitable for general use >because of the lengthy spinloop). Well, these points are tricky parts. We certainly don't want mouse data gets in our way when programming the keyboard, and keyboard data gets in our way when programming the mouse too. In addition, we sometimes want the keyboard and/or mouse data is drained so that the next byte in the controller's output buffer is definitely the responce to a command. I will look at `pcvt_kbd.c' and think what I can do... >write_kbd_command() ignores the return code from >wait_until_controller_is_really_idle(). Apart from the buggy interface >(see above), this is critical for issueing the reset command - it is >possible for the keyboard to hang and resetting it fixes it. I think >the return code should not be ignored for other commands - the keyboard >should be reset and reinitialized in this case. You certainly have a point. Sloppy programming on my part. >The 7us delays that are said to be necessary for MCA keyboards aren't >there. I will put the delay before any read from the data port (60h). I will contact S'ren Schmidt and Nate Williams to discuss your points. Kazu From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 01:09:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07220 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (disn49.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07205 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.2/8.7.3) id KAA01791; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:10:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611170910.KAA01791@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:10:31 +0100 (MET) From: "Soren Schmidt" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, nate@mt.sri.com In-Reply-To: <199611170027.LAA00201@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 17, 96 11:27:16 am From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Bruce Evans who wrote: > > > >UserConfig is now broken in current. It may have to do withe the recent > >syscons changes, but in any case nothing happens at the "config>" prompt > >when I type anymore. The sources are from early this morning, so it's > >probably a fairly recent change. > > This is (at least) because sc_port is not initialized until scprobe() > is called much later. There is no keyboard at port 0. > > I don't like the new keyboard driver much. It's has too many features, > and too many spinloops. [Lengthy description deleted] Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be perfect, but it is a step in the right direction. Now that you have described how bad it is, and have the right ways in fresh memory, I look forward to your perfect implementation in the next couble of days :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 03:36:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA14145 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [193.125.152.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA14139; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA03692 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:28:27 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 17 Nov 96 14:28:27 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.ru (8.8.2/8.8.2) id OAA01235; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:28:12 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611171128.OAA01235@nagual.ru> Subject: Syscons Paste To: sos@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:28:12 +0300 (MSK) From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) Organization: self X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind) for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and minimize hand moving? Really, mouse _not_ needed for Paste, only for Cut... -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 05:10:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18250 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18245 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12692 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:10:22 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id OAA31864 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:10:10 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.2/keltia-uucp-2.9) id NAA19758; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:13:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:13:04 +0100 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Syscons Paste References: <199611171128.OAA01235@nagual.ru> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.50.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#2686 In-Reply-To: <199611171128.OAA01235@nagual.ru>; from ????????????? on Nov 17, 1996 14:28:12 +0300 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to ?????????????: > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind) > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and > minimize hand moving? ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle button, where everyone expect it to be... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #28: Sun Nov 10 13:37:41 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 06:15:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA22316 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (disn47.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22271 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA02159; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:16:38 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611171416.PAA02159@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:16:27 +0100 (MET) From: "Soren Schmidt" Cc: current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ollivier Robert" at Nov 17, 96 01:13:04 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > According to ?????????????: > > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind) > > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and > > minimize hand moving? > > ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle > button, where everyone expect it to be... It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 07:06:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04590 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04577; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id CAA20387; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:03:37 +1100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:03:37 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611171503.CAA20387@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, sos@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, nate@mt.sri.com Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and >describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is >NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be I don't think so. Rewriting people's code is more likely to annoy them than reviewing it. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 09:21:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15356 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15334; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id EAA22673; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:18:12 +1100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:18:12 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611171718.EAA22673@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, nate@mt.sri.com, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Please note these routines currently does NOT do queuing (as Nate >Williams suggested) or check `ipending' (as you have suggested). It >doesn't mean these ideas have been rejected or found infeasible; it >simply means they haven't been tried, just yet. OK. Queueing will take a fair amount of work to get right. The `ipending' hack isn't necessary now that the driver knows how to distinguish keyboard scancodes from mouse scancodes. >According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte >are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the >ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305): > >ISA/EISA >bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is > normal operation). > 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion. >... >Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards >follow and we should honor. > >MBs with the PS/2 mouse port I own all seem to follow the later >specification. Another, relatively recent MB also has no problem >setting/clearing these bits even though it has no mouse port. I also >tested an old 386 MB without the mouse port and found no problem. I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe). However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller is MCA compatible. >During the keyboard probe (`scprobe()'), these bits are touched to >disable the mouse, but they are restored to the state as it was when >`scprobe()' was called. > >During the mouse probe (`psmprobe()'), these bits are touched to >disable mouse interrupt, and will be manipulated thereafter only if a >mouse is found (in `psmopen()' and `psmclose()'). If no mouse is >found, these bits are restored to the state as it was when >`psmprobe()' was called. Yes, this is OK. scprobe() was hard to debug with the keyboard turned off :-]. I usually use a serial console to debug keyboard drivers, but I want all console code to be as reentrant as possible. sccngetc() breaks after scprobe() disables the keyboard. I also tried `n' in ddb after stopping at a breakpoint at scprobe(). This took about 1 million instructions and a long time to return. Perhaps the polling routines were confused by the scancode for the key release after `n'. I noticed some unnecessary function calls in scprobe(): - empty_both_buffers() isn't necessary. reset_kbd() does it better. - wait_while_controller_busy() isn't necessary. send_kbd_command_and_data() should have already read all the response codes, and there will be a wait before sending the next command anyway. >>2. KC8_IGNSEC 0x08 /* ignore security lock */ [in i8042.h] >> >>This silently went away. Now syscons honors the security lock switch like >>most drivers. The PROBE_KEYBOARD_LOCK feature in the bootstrap works >>better with old buggy behaviour. > >Oh, I didn't know the keyboard lock switch should be ignored. >The bit should be set then... I think it should not be ignored. The change should just be kept in mind in case anyone cares. Now that the command byte is mostly preserved, the BIOS default is preserved. >>3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002 >>aka KBS_IBF 0x02 > >No, it has nothing to do with the output buffer. I wrote the I/O >routines to test this bit to avoid writing to the keyboard controller >while this bit is on. Isn't this the right action to take? If you Yes. >think the name "KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY" is inappropriate or misleading, >we shall change the name. After all, English is not my native tongue, I >am not good at naming. I would put INPUT_BUFFER or IB in its name somewhere, and OUTPUT or `O' in the names of the other buffers. This makes the names too long :-). I would probably use: KBS_OBF (1) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] [any] Output Buffer Full */ KBS_IBF (2) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] Input Buffer Full */ KBS_OBF_AUX (0x20) /* KBS_OBF for Aux port */ I prefer not to OR bits together in #defines. >>The empty_*_buffer*() functions are broken. They miss scancodes that >>arrive a microsecond after the test and are almost certain to miss >>all but the first of a bunch of scancodes - the controller is unlikely >>to be able to deliver another scancode on the 0-20 usec delay time, >>especially if the keyboard is a few msec away from sending it! See >>pcvt_kbd.c for a working version (which is unsuitable for general use >>because of the lengthy spinloop). > >Well, these points are tricky parts. We certainly don't want mouse >data gets in our way when programming the keyboard, and keyboard data >gets in our way when programming the mouse too. In addition, we >sometimes want the keyboard and/or mouse data is drained so that the >next byte in the controller's output buffer is definitely the responce >to a command. I will look at `pcvt_kbd.c' and think what I can do... It should work to drain for 10-20msec and then ignore unexpected scancodes. I think draining was originally introduced because the driver (pccons in 386BSD) didn't ignore unexpected scancodes. Draining also gets rid of stale response codes. After draining once there should be no more stale response codes provided you wait long enough for the new commands. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 10:22:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21492 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [193.125.152.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21464; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA21005 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:06:02 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 17 Nov 96 21:06:02 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.ru (8.8.2/8.8.2) id VAA00421; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:02:16 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611171802.VAA00421@nagual.ru> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste In-Reply-To: <199611171416.PAA02159@ravenock.cybercity.dk> from "sos@freebsd.org" at "Nov 17, 96 03:16:27 pm" To: sos@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:02:16 +0300 (MSK) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@freebsd.org From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) Organization: self X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > > > According to ?????????????: > > > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind) > > > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and > > > minimize hand moving? > > > > ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle > > button, where everyone expect it to be... > > It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes... BTW, what do you think about original question? -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 10:35:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23098 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (disn37.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23065; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.2/8.7.3) id TAA02429; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:36:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611171836.TAA02429@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste To: ache@nagual.ru (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:35:54 +0100 (MET) From: "Soren Schmidt" Cc: sos@freebsd.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611171802.VAA00421@nagual.ru> from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Nov 17, 96 09:02:16 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to áÎÄÒÅÊ_þÅÒÎÏ× who wrote: > > [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > > > > > According to ?????????????: > > > > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind) > > > > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and > > > > minimize hand moving? > > > > > > ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle > > > button, where everyone expect it to be... > > > > It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes... > > BTW, what do you think about original question? I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them to the keymaps... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 11:21:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03664 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03620 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id GAA24742; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:16:21 +1100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:16:21 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611171916.GAA24742@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@freebsd.org, wollman@lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: [Martha M. Gray: Availability of NIST-PCTS:151-2] Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Like it says.... >... >This PCTS and its associated documents are available for download via the URL: > http://www.itl.nist.gov/div897/ctg/posix_form.htm Most of the tests fail under FreeBSD due to bugs in the tests and good error checking in FreeBSD. The behaviour of va_arg(ap, type) is undefined if `type' is not compatible with the type of the actual next argument (as promoted according to the default promotions). The tests are careful to avoid this problem in some cases but not all. After fixing this I get 1735 PASSes and only 87 FAILures for a kernel that already has some POSIX bugs fixed. Bruce *** sv_expect.c~ Tue Jun 15 02:47:45 1993 --- sv_expect.c Mon Nov 18 04:33:37 1996 *************** *** 44,48 **** sv_svalu(sv_xenv); /* set valu flag */ va_start(ap, format); ! c_saved = va_arg(ap, char); va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); --- 44,48 ---- sv_svalu(sv_xenv); /* set valu flag */ va_start(ap, format); ! c_saved = (char)va_arg(ap, int); va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); *************** *** 63,67 **** va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); ! us_saved = va_arg(ap, unsigned short); /*Lint will not complain of ptr. alignment problems after this point*/ va_end(ap); --- 63,70 ---- va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); ! if(sizeof(unsigned short) < sizeof(int)) ! us_saved = (unsigned short)va_arg(ap, int); ! else ! us_saved = va_arg(ap, unsigned short); /*Lint will not complain of ptr. alignment problems after this point*/ va_end(ap); *************** *** 71,74 **** --- 74,81 ---- va_start(ap, format); if(sizeof(pid_t) < sizeof(int)) + /* + * XXX can pid_t be float? Then this is wrong. + * Similarly elsewhere. + */ pid_t_saved = (pid_t)va_arg(ap, int); else *************** *** 88,94 **** --- 95,103 ---- va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); + /* XXX wrong, clock_t may be smaller than int. */ clk_t_saved = va_arg(ap, clock_t); va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); + /* XXX wrong, off_t may be smaller than int. */ off_t_saved = va_arg(ap, off_t); va_end(ap); *************** *** 112,115 **** --- 121,125 ---- va_end(ap); va_start(ap, format); + /* XXX wrong, time_t may be smaller than int. */ time_t_saved = va_arg(ap, time_t); va_end(ap); From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 11:22:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04141 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [193.125.152.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04111; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA07887 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:12:22 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 17 Nov 96 22:12:21 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.ru (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA00641; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:08:38 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611171908.WAA00641@nagual.ru> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste In-Reply-To: <199611171836.TAA02429@ravenock.cybercity.dk> from "sos@freebsd.org" at "Nov 17, 96 07:35:54 pm" To: sos@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:08:37 +0300 (MSK) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@freebsd.org From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) Organization: self X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them > to the keymaps... Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied, only Paste is neccesssary... -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 14:22:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18222 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18215 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA01378; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328F8F55.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:19:01 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm CC: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mysterious super scsi device.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm wrote: > > I think MAKEDEV isn't prepared yet, to use the super scsi device. > > The scsi man page says, > > The -p option can be used against the "super scsi" device /dev/scsi/super > to probe all devices with a given SCSI lun on a given SCSI bus. The bus > can be selected with the -b option and the default is 0. The lun can be > selected with the -l option and the default is 0. See scsi(4) for a de- > scription of the "super scsi" device. you can use it against ANY scsi device particularly the 'control device' for a scsi device.. the superscsi device really only exists in theory at this stage.. thre is code but it requires playing with.. > > So it should be possible for me, to re-probe for a tape device > after reboot, if I forgot to power on the tape. > > But what devices are all needed for this super scsi feature. > Only /dev/scsi/super ? Which major minor numbers ? > > Thanks for any advice. BTW, this should definitively go into 2.2, > if MAKEDEV would be fixed ... > > Andreas /// > > andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH > Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de > pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev..html >>> powered by <<< > ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 14:25:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18314 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18300 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0vPFdY-0002u3-00; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:24:24 -0700 To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success Cc: current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:03:37 +1100." <199611171503.CAA20387@godzilla.zeta.org.au> References: <199611171503.CAA20387@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:24:24 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611171503.CAA20387@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Bruce Evans writes: : >Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and : >describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is : >NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be : : I don't think so. Rewriting people's code is more likely to annoy : them than reviewing it. Personally speaking of course, I happen to like Bruce's review of any code that I check in. It has helped me learn things about the usual way around here in a very non-threatening sort of way. I generally don't like to get my code reviewed because most of my code reviews have been an "us vs them" experience, so I was pleasantly surprised that the checkins I made that he reviewed I reacted as well to the review as I did. It helped make the code better, and helped to make me more able to checking BSD-style code in the future. Anyway, that's just me and my world view. Others are welcome to disagree. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 14:40:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19107 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19067 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA01421; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:24:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328F90A1.167EB0E7@whistle.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:24:33 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joerg Wunsch CC: FreeBSD-current users , Philippe Charnier Subject: Re: can not change to correct boot device References: <199611162336.AAA04631@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Philippe Charnier wrote: > > > If I let him boot, it tries 1:sd(1,a)/kernel and fails at > > `change root to sd1a'. Entering 1:sd(0,a)/kernel is ok. > > > > How can I do this in the kernel config file? > > You can't. You must do it in the bootblocks. > > I think there's something from Julian around that would let you store > such a change automatically in the bootblock, but offhand i don't > remember any pointers to documentation for it. > IF you have sliced your disk with a normal BIOS partition table (fdisk) then you can replace the bootblocks with a set compiled with the NAMEBLOCK (I think that was it) option and then use the 'nextboot(8)' program to set the default string.. if you used the "dangerously dedicated" option it won't work, because it stores the string(s) in block 1 but if block 1 is part of a slice, it refuses to rewrite it (sensibly). We use it in production, though we use a version of boot.c that is checked in under the tag "JULIAN_HACK" I'd like to get that version reconciled with the version bruce reworked. julian From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 16:31:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25095 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from scotty.masternet.it (scotty.masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25080 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmarco.eclipse.org.eclipse.org (ts1port5d.masternet.it [194.184.65.27]) by scotty.masternet.it (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15874 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:31:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961118012653.006a8dc0@scotty.masternet.it> X-Sender: gmarco@scotty.masternet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:26:57 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: * Snd0 & 2.2 ALPHA * Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am not able to compile in the kernel the Sound Blaster (16) support anymore. Is there any changes to do ? It seems that from the source tree are missing some files... Regards... +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Internet: gmarco@masternet.it | ,,, | | Internet: gmarco@fi.nettuno.it | (o o) | | | ---oo0-(_)-0oo--- | | http://www2.masternet.it/ | Gianmarco | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 19:04:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03893 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor. (endeavor.flash.net [208.194.223.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03864 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from jasones by endeavor. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10920; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:03:36 -0600 Message-ID: <328FD1DC.72C0@flash.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:02:52 -0600 From: Jason Reply-To: jasones@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-current From owner-freebsd-current Sun Nov 17 22:30:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA15438 for current-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15409; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:29:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611180629.WAA15409@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mysterious super scsi device.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:41:03 +0100." Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:29:49 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I think MAKEDEV isn't prepared yet, to use the super scsi device. I think that our SCSI code is ill prepared for you to use the super scsi device in the way that you wish. Doing bus reprobes right now can be extrememly dangerous in the current implementation. Save yourself the grief... it will be made to work correctly soon. > Andreas /// -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 05:34:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA09520 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09490 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cantina.clinet.fi (root@cantina.clinet.fi [194.100.0.15]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.2/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA26856 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:33:48 +0200 (EET) Received: (hsu@localhost) by cantina.clinet.fi (8.8.2/8.6.4) id PAA14192; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:33:48 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:33:48 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199611181333.PAA14192@cantina.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2940AU Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried it yet for any serious use, any problems ? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-9-43542270 fax -4555276 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 06:09:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15040 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (grackle.grondar.za [196.7.18.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15010 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grackle.grondar.za (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11561; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:08:44 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199611181408.QAA11561@grackle.grondar.za> To: Heikki Suonsivu cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940AU Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:08:43 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heikki Suonsivu wrote: > > I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried > it yet for any serious use, any problems ? We are using it on a couple of machines at work, and it works like a dream (2.2-a, 2.1.5+ and 3.0+) M -- Mark Murray PGP key fingerprint = 80 36 6E 40 83 D6 8A 36 This .sig is umop ap!sdn. BC 06 EA 0E 7A F2 CE CE From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 07:18:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21425 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cenotaph.snafu.de (root@gw-deadnet.snafu.de [194.121.229.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA21419 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by cenotaph.snafu.de from deadline.snafu.de using smtp id m0vPVSF-000ZqTC; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:17:47 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0vPVSE-00080FC; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:17:46 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Message-Id: From: mickey@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Subject: Someone working on ISA PnP support? To: current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:17:45 +0100 (MET) Organization: -D-E-A-D-L-I-N-E- Public access UN*X system, 13347 Berlin (WEST). X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! --- Is currently someone working on ISA PnP support for -current? Is there an interest for such functionality? Regards, Mickey -- (__) (@@) Andreas S. Wetzel E-mail: mickey@deadline.snafu.de /-------\/ Utrechter Strasse 41 Web: http://deadline.snafu.de/ / | || 13347 Berlin Voice: <+4930> 456 81 68 * ||----|| Germany Fax/Data: <+4930> 455 19 57 ~~ ~~ From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 07:45:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA23004 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com (hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22979; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA11638; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:44:39 -0500 Date: 18 Nov 96 10:42:32 EST From: Arjan Knepper <101675.3144@CompuServe.COM> To: "[unknown]" , "[unknown]" Subject: Adaptec 2920 PCI? Message-ID: <961118154232_101675.3144_IHN82-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a driver for the AHA2920 Adaptec card, PCI bus? For FreeBSD 2.1.5? Or can I use an other driver to compile in the kernel? T.I.A Arjan From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 08:47:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26315 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26308; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:47:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611181647.IAA26308@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Heikki Suonsivu cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940AU In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:33:48 +0200." <199611181333.PAA14192@cantina.clinet.fi> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:47:11 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried >it yet for any serious use, any problems ? It is fully supported, but it is not the card that I would put in a server. It only has 3 SCBs as compared to the 16 of the real 2940 and with paging, you can only have 8 outstanding transactions as compared to the 255. >-- >Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi >mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-9-43542270 fax -4555276 -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 08:51:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26551 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26537; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611181651.IAA26537@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Arjan Knepper <101675.3144@CompuServe.COM> cc: "[unknown]" , "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Adaptec 2920 PCI? In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Nov 1996 10:42:32 EST." <961118154232_101675.3144_IHN82-1@CompuServe.COM> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:51:17 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Is there a driver for the AHA2920 Adaptec card, PCI bus? >For FreeBSD 2.1.5? >Or can I use an other driver to compile in the kernel? > >T.I.A >Arjan No, there is not. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 10:23:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02711 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw (JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw [140.113.141.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02703 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jjming@localhost) by JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw (8.8.2/8.7.3) id CAA22811 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:21:59 +0800 (CST) From: "J.J.Ming" Message-Id: <199611181821.CAA22811@JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw> Subject: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:21:59 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it current boot from cdrom ? if not,whythere is a directory in cdrom directory when i make release if yes,how to do ? thanks..... -- J.J.Ming@CIS.NCTU From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 13:17:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12159 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fools.ecpnet.com (ppp-67-104.dialup.winternet.com [204.246.67.104]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12152 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (moke@localhost) by fools.ecpnet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA01557; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:08:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:08:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jimbo Bahooli To: Peter Childs cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: identd broken? In-Reply-To: <199611180825.SAA09182@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Peter Childs wrote: > In article you wrote: > > : I have been following -current for awhile now with few problems > : that I could not fix. Then this strange bug comes along, pidentd 2.7.2 > : comiled out of ports-current simpy does not work. This is the error > : message it generates. > > : Nov 16 19:17:31 fools identd[437]: getbuf: bad address (00000000 not in > : f0100000 -0xFFC00000) - ofile > > : I'm guessing its because its looking for something in the kernel thats > : changed positions in -current, if any would could help I would appreciate it. > > > trying remaking/installing libkvm and/or libps, then building > again... also cd /usr/src/include and do a make all... > > Peter > Just did this and it still did not work, and generated the excact same error message. Any other ideas? From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 15:35:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22277 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.100.208]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22243 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc1.scs-koeln.de ([134.95.30.183]) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA141821 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:34:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961118233356.00672c4c@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de> X-Sender: afr04@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:33:56 +0100 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Ralf Luettgen Subject: SMP? Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Wich Release will contain SMP? Thanks for the answer Ralf From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 16:10:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25259 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25251; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA07951; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:57:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611182357.QAA07951@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success To: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (Kazutaka YOKOTA) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:57:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org, nate@mt.sri.com, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <199611170908.SAA01967@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from "Kazutaka YOKOTA" at Nov 17, 96 06:08:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > MCA > bit 5 0 Enable mouse. > 1 Disable mouse by forcing the mouse serial clock line low. > Data cannot be sent to or received from the mouse. > bit 1 0 Do not send interrupt when mouse output buffer full. > 1 Mouse output buffer full causes interrupt (IRQ 12). > > Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards > follow and we should honor. They honor the PS/2 specification. Specifically, the Windows 95 DDK Keyb/Samples/vkd/vad.asm, they make calls to VM_Int. Disassembly of the target address in VMM.VXD shows that they treat bits 5 and 1 as you suggest. An interesting side note: A PNP Win95 box will *bogusly* assign INT 12 to other devices, in conflict with the PS/2 mouse. It seems that they don't see the mouse during the boot cycle. The FreeBSD PNP code should take the mouse into account. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 16:24:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26581 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26559; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA07981; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:10:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611190010.RAA07981@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:10:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp, current@FreeBSD.org, nate@mt.sri.com, sos@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611171718.EAA22673@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 18, 96 04:18:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >ISA/EISA > >bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is > > normal operation). > > 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion. [ ... ] > I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT > keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe). > However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with > an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons > tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked > syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller > is MCA compatible. It should be noted that Windows 95's VKD code (again, from the DDK) does a keyboard disable during the mouse probe phase, and goes so far as to call VPICD_Physically_Mask and VPICD_Clear_Int_Request to insure no one can do anything to the keyboard in the interim. Since if the probe is false, these bits are restored by the PS/2 mouse (Virtual Auxillary Device, or VAD) driver, I don't think this will damage the PS/2 mouse case. Maybe if the mouse is not probed true, these bits could be restored to their previous values? This would fix your complaint about XT keyboards on non-MCA keyboard controller chips. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 16:27:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26919 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26905 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA07992; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:14:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611190014.RAA07992@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: [Martha M. Gray: Availability of NIST-PCTS:151-2] To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:14:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, wollman@lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199611171916.GAA24742@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 18, 96 06:16:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Most of the tests fail under FreeBSD due to bugs in the tests and good > error checking in FreeBSD. The behaviour of va_arg(ap, type) is undefined > if `type' is not compatible with the type of the actual next argument (as > promoted according to the default promotions). The tests are careful to > avoid this problem in some cases but not all. Could you please forward your changes to the PCTS, if you are sure of them, back to Martha? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 16:28:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27078 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27071; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA08014; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:15:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611190015.RAA08014@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste To: ache@nagual.ru (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:15:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611171908.WAA00641@nagual.ru> from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Nov 17, 96 10:08:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them > > to the keymaps... > > Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied, > only Paste is neccesssary... How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard? Whatever that command is, it's "cut". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 16:52:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29769 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29743 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA12227 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA02386; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:50:08 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA19052; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:50:02 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id XAA02579; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:49:55 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611182249.XAA02579@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:49:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: jjming@JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw (J.J.Ming) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611181821.CAA22811@JJM.Dorm13.NCTU.edu.tw> from "J.J.Ming" at "Nov 19, 96 02:21:59 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As J.J.Ming wrote: > Is it current boot from cdrom ? Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this. > if not,whythere is a directory in cdrom directory when > i make release Because it's the directory structure that will (or: might) go onto a release CD-ROM. Remember, ``make release'' is basically release- engineering stuff. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 17:52:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04925 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04896 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id CAA03574; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:51:22 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id CAA19867; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:51:22 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id BAA03909; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:55:13 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611190055.BAA03909@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SMP? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:55:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: afr04@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Ralf Luettgen) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961118233356.00672c4c@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de> from Ralf Luettgen at "Nov 19, 96 00:33:56 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ralf Luettgen wrote: > Wich Release will contain SMP? 3.0 -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 22:00:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17989 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17901; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA14386; Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:57:41 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA29455; Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:57:39 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id PAA03041; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:00:30 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611190600.PAA03041@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Bruce Evans Cc: current@freebsd.org, nate@mt.sri.com, sos@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:18:12 +1100." <199611171718.EAA22673@godzilla.zeta.org.au> References: <199611171718.EAA22673@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:00:29 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte >>are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the >>ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305): >> >>ISA/EISA >>bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is >> normal operation). >> 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion. >... >I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT >keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe). >However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with >an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons >tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked >syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller >is MCA compatible. As far as I understand, the bit 5 does not turn on/off conversion by itself. It must be used in conjunction with the bit 6 which, I think, is the bit to control the scan code translation/conversion. bit 6 0 No conversion of keyboard scan codes. 1 Standard Scan conversion - the scan code from the keyboard is converted into the normal scan codes used in PCs (1 is normal operation). MCA Type 2 controllers cannot set this bit to 1. In this case scan code conversion is set using keyboard command F0h to port 60h. This applies to both ISA/EISA systems and MCA systems (Van Gilluwe, p304-305). My understanding on scan code sets and conversion is as follows (is this right?): The bit 5 should be set/reset according to the keyboard device attached to the system. The XT keyboard sends scan codes without the parity bit. The AT keyboard, on the other hand, sends them with the parity bit. In addition, the AT keyboard can send three different sets of scan codes: set 1 XT scan code set set 2 AT scan code set (default) set 3 for manufacturing test? So, I think we can have the following hardware combinations to get XT scan codes: 1. XT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller The keyboard sends XT scan codes without the parity bit, thus, we should set: bit 6 - 0, bit 5 - 1. 2. AT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller 2.1 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 2 The keyboard sends AT scan codes with the parity bit; bit 6 - 1, bit 5 - 0. 2.2 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 1 The keyboard sends XT scan codes with the parity bit; bit 6 - 0, bit 5 - 0. 3. AT keyboard with a MCA style keyboard controller 3.1 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 2 The keyboard sends AT scan codes with the parity bit: bit 6 - 1 3.2 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 1 The keyboard sends XT scan codes with the parity bit: bit 6 - 0 I guess it is not possible to use the XT keyboard with the MCA style keyboard controller, because parity checking cannot be turned off on this controller. Most AT systems, except some ThinkPad models?, operate in 2.1 or 3.1 above. The `syscons' driver can be flagged to make the keyboard to send the scan code set 1; this corresponds to the cases 2.2 and 3.2. >>>3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002 >>>aka KBS_IBF 0x02 >> >... > KBS_OBF (1) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] [any] Output Buffer Full */ > KBS_IBF (2) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] Input Buffer Full */ > KBS_OBF_AUX (0x20) /* KBS_OBF for Aux port */ > >I prefer not to OR bits together in #defines. I think you are referring to: #define KBDS_BUFFER_FULL 0x0021 #define KBDS_ANY_BUFFER_FULL 0x0001 #define KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL 0x0001 #define KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL 0x0021 #define KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002 I intended to use these constants in the following ways: To test if a keyboard data byte is available if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_BUFFER_FULL) == KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL) To test if a mouse data byte is available if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_BUFFER_FULL) == KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL) To test if a keyboard OR mouse data byte is available if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_ANY_BUFFER_FULL) != 0) If we use: #define KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL 0x0020 and undef KBDS_BUFFER_FULL, then these tests have to be: if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL)) == KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL) if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL)) == (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL)) if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL)) != 0) The first and the third tests look all right. But the second test looks less intuitive to me than before. Kazu From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 18 22:05:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA18236 for current-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18219 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA14430; Tue, 19 Nov 96 15:03:52 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA29521; Tue, 19 Nov 96 15:03:51 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id PAA03232; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:06:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611190606.PAA03232@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Terry Lambert Cc: current@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:10:14 MST." <199611190010.RAA07981@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199611190010.RAA07981@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:06:40 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Maybe if the mouse is not probed true, these bits could be restored >to their previous values? That is exactly what I intend to do in the new `psm' driver. Kazu >This would fix your complaint about XT keyboards >on non-MCA keyboard controller chips. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 00:18:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA22569 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [146.254.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22562 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from salomon.mchp.siemens.de (salomon.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA09002 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:15:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.zfe.siemens.de (root@curry.zfe.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA14737 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:18:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from server.us.tld (server.us.tld [192.168.16.33]) by curry.zfe.siemens.de (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA09443 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:18:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from printfix.us.tld (printfix.us.tld [192.168.21.31]) by server.us.tld (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA11363 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:18:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andre@localhost) by printfix.us.tld (8.8.2/8.8.2) id JAA06172 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:18:32 +0100 (MET) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199611190818.JAA06172@printfix.us.tld> Subject: ch0 disappears when st0 is enabled To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:18:32 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have got a DLT 2700 STACKER tape drive with 7 tapes in it. When I enable ch0 in the kernel config, it will find a device ch0 on LUN 1. As far as I have understood, this device is only for changing the tapes, not for reading or writing to it. But as soon as I enable st0 also, the ch0 line disappears and is replaced by an st0 on LUN 0 (with the same SCSI address of course). Is it possible, that other LUNs are not probed, as soon as one device is found (in my case the st0)? Thanks for any advices... Andre P.S.: I'm running the current 2.2-ALPHA kernel... From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 01:04:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24157 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [193.125.152.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24143; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA07325 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:46:14 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Tue, 19 Nov 96 12:46:14 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.ru (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA00912; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:18:58 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611190818.LAA00912@nagual.ru> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste In-Reply-To: <199611190015.RAA08014@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 18, 96 05:15:57 pm" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:18:57 +0300 (MSK) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.org From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) Organization: self X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them > > > to the keymaps... > > > > Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied, > > only Paste is neccesssary... > > How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard? > > Whatever that command is, it's "cut". Currently you can't do marking with keyboard and its implementing require some rewritting while Paste implementing not require anything except adding a key for it. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 01:17:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24623 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24616 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA19159 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:16:33 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA25697 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:16:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id KAA07256 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:05:24 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611190905.KAA07256@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:05:24 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611190600.PAA03041@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from Kazutaka YOKOTA at "Nov 19, 96 03:00:29 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: I've ignored the beginning of this discussion. > bit 6 0 No conversion of keyboard scan codes. > 1 Standard Scan conversion - the scan code from the keyboard is > converted into the normal scan codes used in PCs (1 is normal > operation). MCA Type 2 controllers cannot set this bit to 1. > In this case scan code conversion is set using keyboard > command F0h to port 60h. Right. The latter is why syscons didn't work out of the box on ThinkPads. > addition, the AT keyboard can send three different sets of scan codes: > > set 1 XT scan code set > set 2 AT scan code set (default) > set 3 for manufacturing test? No, the AT keyboard (84-key one, almost forgotten now) has only 1 and 2. Set 3 is only applicable to PS/2-style keyboards. Alas, not all keyboards around are PS/2-style, even not in these days. So while set 3 is the most orthogonal one (the only one that doesn't generate compatibility cruft like all the crap you get in set 2 when pressing Alt SysRq or Ctrl PrtScr), we cannot rely on it. > So, I think we can have the following hardware combinations to get > XT scan codes: > > 1. XT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller No, i don't think we really support XT keyboards, and probably nobody really wants this either. Our world starts with an AT design (e.g. we also rely on having an RTC available), and we can ignore the XT part. Older keyboards (like mine -- 1990 manufactured) still have an XT/AT switch somewhere, but they won't work in XT mode with messy DOS on the AT-style machine either. So simply don't worry about this case. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 04:00:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA29882 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29863; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vPome-000QyZC; Tue, 19 Nov 96 12:56 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.2/8.6.12) id LAA03849; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:16:57 +0100 (MET) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611182249.XAA02579@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Nov 18, 96 11:49:54 pm" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:16:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org (FreeBSD current users), hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by freebie.lemis.de id LAA03849 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > As J.J.Ming wrote: > >> Is it current boot from cdrom ? > > Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this. I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (which apparently isn't). There's an article about CD-ROM booting in the current c't (December 1996), page 72. It starts with the promis "Sysadmins of Unix systems or Macintoshes have known about it for a long time. You don't need floppies to install a new operating system on a hard disk, just a CD-ROM". In summary, it says: - There's a new substandard on top of ISO 9660, El Torito (that's where they hacked out the scheme :-) - More and more motherboard BIOSes support El Torito, as do a number of SCSI host adapters. I built two machines yesterday, and both the (useless) host adapter and the motherboard BIOS support it. - The specs and a cookbook for making bootable CD-ROMs are available in Adobe Acrobat format (whatever that may be) from a link in http://www.ptltd.com/techs/specs.html. Maybe somebody can convert them to PostScript for the rest of us to look at. - There's also a document on making bootable CD-ROMs on http://mail.ncku.edu.tw/~thlx/bootcd.htm. J=F6rg, aren't you the right person to integrate this stuff? Greg From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 04:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00945 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from central.picker.com (central.picker.com [144.54.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA00940 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0vPou1-0004s5C; Tue, 19 Nov 96 07:03 EST Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03331; Tue, 19 Nov 96 07:01:15 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA20627; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:00:39 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:00:38 -0500 From: rhh@ct.picker.com (Randall Hopper) To: gmarco@scotty.masternet.it (Gianmarco Giovannelli) Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: * Snd0 & 2.2 ALPHA * References: <3.0.32.19961118012653.006a8dc0@scotty.masternet.it> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19961118012653.006a8dc0@scotty.masternet.it>; from Gianmarco Giovannelli on Nov 18, 1996 01:26:57 +0100 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gianmarco Giovannelli: |I am not able to compile in the kernel the Sound Blaster (16) support |anymore. | |Is there any changes to do ? It seems that from the source tree are missing |some files... Hmmm. I didn't have any trouble. However I didn't (cv)sup 2.2-ALPHA; I installed via the packages. Maybe that's the difference? What are errors are you getting? Randall Hopper rhh@ct.picker.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 04:57:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA03107 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA02993 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA25691 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:56:18 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25419 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:06:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:06:34 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611191306.OAA25419@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: ed1 probed before ed0 -> iomem problem Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While experimenting why a aic0 controller couldn't live happy with two WD8013EPC cards I reversed the probes of ed0/ed1 and as the result of this I got the following dmesg : Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: MDA/hercules <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration ed1 not found at 0x280 ed0 at 0x200-0x21f irq 4 maddr 0xd0000 msize 16384 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:34:56:78, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) The corresponnding config lines are: device ed1 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 3 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x200 net irq 4 iomem 0xd0000 vector edintr Is there an overlap in the probing? msize 16384 should be 0x4000. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 04:58:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA03139 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA03126 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA25711 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:59:46 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25443 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:10:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:10:03 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611191310.OAA25443@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: adduser - /nonexistent Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I noticed with the 2.2-ALPHA installation that when adding a user using 'adduser' that some entries in /etc/passwd are flagged by adduser as being not in /etc/shells etc. This doesn't do any harm but it's a bit ugly having these screaming messages appear (at least the first time user could be lightly repelled :). (Wolfram?) --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 05:13:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA03778 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03707 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA25814 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:10:46 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25562 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:20:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:20:58 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611191320.OAA25562@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: ldconfig during world build - /usr/lib/compat Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just had the strange effect that while I was building world in the background suddenly I couldn't start xterms any longer since libgnumalloc.so.2.0 wasn't found. Doing a ldconfig /usr/lib /usr/lib/compat /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/local/lib manually cured the problem immediately. Could it be that when the bootstrap target is made that another ldconfig is executed which forgets about /usr/lib/compat? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 06:38:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA09113 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09101 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (beBop) id BAA08195; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:07:55 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:07:55 +1030 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199611191437.BAA08195@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrom boot? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961020] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> you wrote: : J Wunsch writes: : > As J.J.Ming wrote: : > : >> Is it current boot from cdrom ? : > Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this. : I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some : attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when : compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which : should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (which : apparently isn't). diff's accepted :) I guess it would take someone that was concerned enuff about it with access to a burner and boot'able cdrom to make it happen. If someone wants to post me the above gear i'll do it :) There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to help you out. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 07:16:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11532 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11518 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vPrZ0-000QyRC; Tue, 19 Nov 96 15:54 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.3/8.6.12) id PAA26310; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:52:20 +0100 (MET) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199611191452.PAA26310@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611191437.BAA08195@al.imforei.apana.org.au> from Peter Childs at "Nov 20, 96 01:07:55 am" To: pjchilds@imforei.apana.org.au (Peter Childs) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:52:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD current users) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by freebie.lemis.de id PAA26310 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Childs writes: > In article <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> you wrote: > : J Wunsch writes: >>> As J.J.Ming wrote: >>> >>>> Is it current boot from cdrom ? > >>> Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this. > > : I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some > : attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when > : compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which > : should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (whic= h > : apparently isn't). > > diff's accepted :) Well, I did say "FreeBSD core team" to get myself out of that one :-) > I guess it would take someone that was concerned enuff about it with > access to a burner and boot'able cdrom to make it happen. Yup. With the possible exception of concern, it sounds like J=F6rg. It's his line of business, and he has a burner. > If someone wants to post me the above gear i'll do it :) > > There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in > the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to > help you out. Depending on how long ago it was, I may have started that one. It's a while back, and at the time nobody had any concrete details about how it worked. Now the things are on the market. Greg From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 08:54:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16665 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16655 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10507; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:52:42 -0600 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma010501; Tue Nov 19 11:52:35 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.11.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15035; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:53:33 -0600 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA04299; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:54:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611191654.KAA04299@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Peter Childs cc: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:07:55 +1030." <199611191437.BAA08195@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:54:10 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Childs writes: > > There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in > the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to > help you out. I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum up a little support for it in the future. The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-) > > Peter > >-- > Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds > Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key > Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 09:16:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17800 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17795 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00142; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:16:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:16:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611191716.KAA00142@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Fixed UserConfig Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk UserConfig should now work for -current users, and as soon as Jordan and/or Poul merge those changes into 2.2, they should have a working PS/2 mouse driver. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 09:48:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20042 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20037 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA27337; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3291F1C5.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:43:33 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Albsmeier CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ch0 disappears when st0 is enabled References: <199611190818.JAA06172@printfix.us.tld> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > Hi, > > I have got a DLT 2700 STACKER tape drive with 7 tapes in it. > When I enable ch0 in the kernel config, it will find a device > ch0 on LUN 1. As far as I have understood, this device is only for > changing the tapes, not for reading or writing to it. > But as soon as I enable st0 also, the ch0 line disappears and is > replaced by an st0 on LUN 0 (with the same SCSI address of course). > > Is it possible, that other LUNs are not probed, as soon as one > device is found (in my case the st0)? yes exactly.. by default the tapes are not probed beyond lun0 you need to add an entry for your device in /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c and include the flag SCSI_MORE_LUNS (or whatever the exact spelling is) > > Thanks for any advices... > > Andre > > P.S.: I'm running the current 2.2-ALPHA kernel... From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:22:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22069 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.pearson.udel.edu (hawk.pearson.udel.edu [128.175.64.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22060 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.pearson.udel.edu (localhost.udel.edu [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.pearson.udel.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02821 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611191822.NAA02821@hawk.pearson.udel.edu> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Help Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Reply-To: alexandr@hawk.pearson.udel.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2817.848427725.1@hawk.pearson.udel.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:22:05 -0500 From: Jerry Alexandratos Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HELP From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:33:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22721 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smily.3skel.com (3skel.com [206.138.212.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22696 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (root@fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by smily.3skel.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA02181; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id NAA14481; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:31:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:31:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611191831.NAA14481@fnur.3skel.com> From: Dan Janowski To: "Eric L. Hernes" Cc: Peter Childs , grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611191654.KAA04299@jake.lodgenet.com> References: <199611191437.BAA08195@al.imforei.apana.org.au> <199611191654.KAA04299@jake.lodgenet.com> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric L. Hernes writes: > > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several > ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the > right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-) > I've wondered about this myself. The problem is with the PC architecture, really, as suggested. Maybe the way to go about it is to get us part of the way there. Have a floppy image that can reliably boot strap the CDROM; something really minimal. The problem with this is, it would require a major reworking of the system loading architecture. Are there any commecial UNIXs that you can load via PPP, Slip, NFS, LAN or WAN... None that I am aware of. The commercial UNIX world has a very, very limited loading procedure, tape or CDROM. Even then, if it is a Sun, SGI, or HP, they have boot proms that make everything easier, even bootp/tftp booting. We don't exist in the same world. FreeBSD gives people more choice and flexibility, but we pay the price of wanting simplicity. I would love to ditch release.[48], it would make customizing the boot/load process much easier. JKH has been threatening a total re-write, but I haven't heard anything about it. This issue really has to be addressed in the larger picture. We could stand a major revamping of fdisk/label for disks as well as booting and system loading, and booting from CDROMs is included. It's just not a standalone problem. Dan -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:33:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22751 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22740 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA10264; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:33:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:33:17 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9611191833.AA10264@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: current@freebsd.org Cc: jdp@polstra.com Subject: Can anyone explain...? Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The new tzsetup(8) program I just committed does not work on my system when compiled shared. If I fiddle around with GDB in the right way, it tells me the earthshakingly useful fact that the segfault occurs inside a library: #0 0x802284e in dialog_menu (title=0x2821 "", prompt=0x2811 "", height=17, width=37, menu_height=10, cnt=-10, it=0x4208, result=0x0, ch=0xefbfd890, sc=0xefbfd88c) at /usr/wd1/src/gnu/lib/libdialog/menubox.c:163 163 print_item(menu, items[(scroll+i)*2], items[(scroll+i)*2 + 1], i, i == choice, DREF(ditems, scroll + i)); (My libdialog has debugging symbols in it (finally!).) If I link static, there is no problem at all and the program works precisely as intended. If anyone wants to debug this, I'll happily send along a copy of the zone.tab file which you'll need in order to run the program. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:36:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23015 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from adm4.lib.umbc.edu (adm4.lib.umbc.edu [130.85.150.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23005 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by adm4.lib.umbc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00824; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Brandenburg To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: XFree86... (Wrong Place?) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First off, I appologize if this is posted on the wrong list. I am running XFree86 v. 3.11? on freebsd v. 2.1.5. When I type startx it runs just fine, but the right mouse button doesn't do anything. The left mouse button will let me highlight but I cannot select any buttons or anything of that nature. I have used both fvwm v.2 and the default twm and neither work. I have a logitech two button mouse if this helps anyone. I have also changed the setup to emulate and NOT emulate a three button mouse with no luck. I even tried chordmiddle? and it also wasn't successful. If you have any ideas, I would appreciate the help... btw. I have tried to connect to xfree86.org but we have been having some networking problems which makes this difficult. Thanks, Chris Brandenburg chris@adm4.lib.umbc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:41:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23302 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23293; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09251; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:27:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611191827.LAA09251@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Syscons Paste To: ache@nagual.ru (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:27:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, sos@FreeBSD.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611190818.LAA00912@nagual.ru> from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Nov 19, 96 11:18:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them > > > > to the keymaps... > > > > > > Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied, > > > only Paste is neccesssary... > > > > How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard? > > > > Whatever that command is, it's "cut". > > Currently you can't do marking with keyboard and its implementing > require some rewritting while Paste implementing not require > anything except adding a key for it. If I have to move my hands away from the keyboard to the mouse to cut (losing "home row" and having to actually burn some time finding where my hands go again, maybe even looking at the keyboard if I don't have the standard "f and j" bumps), I might as well keep my hands on the mouse for the paste operation. So without the ability to mark (cut) via keyboard, pasting via keyboard is a pretty useless exercise... especially if it eats a keycode that is useful (easy to type), or if it is a complex "stand on one leg, hold down the shift key" that I can't wire into my medulla (like vi commands can be wired. Thought -> action. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 10:44:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23550 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23542 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vPuyt-000QrXC; Tue, 19 Nov 96 19:33 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.3/8.6.12) id SAA00462; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:46:12 +0100 (MET) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611191654.KAA04299@jake.lodgenet.com> from "Eric L. Hernes" at "Nov 19, 96 10:54:10 am" To: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:46:12 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD current users) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric L. Hernes writes: > Peter Childs writes: >> >> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in >> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to >> help you out. > > I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then > I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that > they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost > interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum > up a little support for it in the future. Are you talking about your management? > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. Now why does that sound familiar? > It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from > `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar > wrt specs? ;-) Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com, so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get their stuff to boot, anyway. I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM would love it, too. Greg From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 11:19:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA25513 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule0.mindspring.com (mule0.mindspring.com [204.180.128.166]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25489 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlb.users.mindspring.com (user-168-121-25-139.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.25.139]) by mule0.mindspring.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17770 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:19:24 GMT Message-ID: <32920859.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:19:53 -0500 From: Ron Bolin X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: PS2 Mouse syscons.c 1.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I built current today 11-19 with the new 1.89 syscons.c PS/2 mouse interface. I can now do a config (-c) on boot, but cannot login (the imput from the kb is garbage) if I use the -c option on boot. If I just boot normally RETURN I can login. The cut and paste options are very slow now when compared to the last release (1.86) I tried (kinda like 1.80 and b4). Ron I liked the responsiveness of the 1.86 version I had for cut and paste operations. -- **************************************************************************** Ron Bolin rlb@mindspring.com, http://www.mindspring.com/~rlb/ GSU: gs01rlb@panther.gsu.edu matrlbx@indigo4.cs.gsu.edu Home: 770-992-8877 **************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 11:30:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26265 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26259 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01059; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:30:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:30:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611191930.MAA01059@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Ron Bolin Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PS2 Mouse syscons.c 1.89 In-Reply-To: <32920859.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> References: <32920859.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ron Bolin writes: > I built current today 11-19 with the new 1.89 syscons.c PS/2 mouse > interface. I can now do a config (-c) on boot, but cannot login > (the imput from the kb is garbage) > if I use the -c option on boot. Hmm, I *just* tested this on my test machines, one is running the 2.2 code and the other -current. Did you compile from scratch, or use your old configuration? [ I'm not familiar with the Cut & Paste stuff ] Nate From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 11:40:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26997 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26960 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18778; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:38:27 -0600 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma018770; Tue Nov 19 14:38:20 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.11.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19148; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:39:19 -0600 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA06220; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:40:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611191940.NAA06220@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Greg Lehey cc: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes), FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD current users) Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:46:12 +0100." <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:40:01 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Lehey writes: > >Are you talking about your management? > Yup. >> It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from >> `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar >> wrt specs? ;-) > >Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com, >so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't >article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get >their stuff to boot, anyway. > AFAICR they're pdf's, either the linux acrobat reader from Adobe, xpdf, or ghostscript4 from ports can print/view them. >I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have >directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM >would love it, too. > Yea, I agree. If you look at the `cookbook' document, the bios interprets a file on the cdrom as a floppy drive. That's the simplest, and the most kludgy. At a first hack, the install boot image, could be set up for this and proceed as normal, but I'd be embarrased to have my name on that hack ;-) It wouldn't take too much more to get real bootable support complete with boot blocks and such. Joerg seemed interested in helping out with what he could last time we talked on it. I just discovered that my hardware didn't support it so there was really no way to test it. :( >Greg eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 11:46:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27393 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27388 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19142; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:44:30 -0600 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma019130; Tue Nov 19 14:44:03 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.11.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19340; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:45:02 -0600 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA06277; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:45:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611191945.NAA06277@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Dan Janowski cc: "Eric L. Hernes" , Peter Childs , grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:31:39 EST." <199611191831.NAA14481@fnur.3skel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:45:44 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dan Janowski writes: >Eric L. Hernes writes: > > > > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in > > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several > > ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the > > right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-) > > > >I've wondered about this myself. The problem is with the PC >architecture, really, as suggested. Maybe the way to go about it is to >get us part of the way there. Have a floppy image that can reliably >boot strap the CDROM; something really minimal. > Naw, I think that it is possible to get fairly legitimate cdrom boot support. We were interested in building machines with no floppy drive or hard disk, cdrom only. > >This issue really has to be addressed in the larger picture. We could >stand a major revamping of fdisk/label for disks as well as booting >and system loading, and booting from CDROMs is included. It's just not >a standalone problem. > I think creating a bootable cd-rom would go something like: Use mkisofs to create a cdrom image, as usual. Then slap bootblocks in the image with something like dd. OR Incorporate the bootblock writing stuff into mkisofs directly, and pass the filename in as yet another command line arg. Then wrap the whole thing as a wart in Jordan's makecdfs shell script >Dan > >-- >danj@3skel.com >Dan Janowski >Triskelion Systems, Inc. >Bronx, NY eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 13:51:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08835 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08830 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA07281 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:33 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA09915 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id WAA09300 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:06:48 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192106.WAA09300@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:06:48 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> from Greg Lehey at "Nov 19, 96 11:16:57 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some > attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when > compared to other free UNIXes. If you count me as a member of the core team, then we do. :) But please, don't expect us to do all the work ourselves -- we would never get ready. I've got the El Torito bootable CD-ROM specification (though most of it is basically crap to pull the Ancient Obosolete Program Loader (TM) into the era of CD-ROM booting), and i remember that i've been discussing the details and my opinions with someone who seemed to be interested in tackling this down. Alas, i've never heard anything back (even though i offered to be the Guinea Pig for tests including burning a couple of CD-Rs). I can dump you the entire mail discussion if you're going to make some code out of this. But please, don't only discuss it, _do it_! (Of course, i gotta dig up this mail, and get the permission of the person i've been talking with to forward the private mails first. So i will only do it if you ensure us that we'll see the first bootable CD-ROM in say 2 months from you.) This offer is of course not only to Greg, but to anybody else who is _seriously_ interested in this. Bootable CD-ROMs are not a project that requires yet another 50-soul mailing list first, but it requires a person who's a) interested, and b) capable of doing this work. The latter requires a good understanding of the various low-level PeeCee BIOS int 0x13 stuff (including reference material like Van Gilluwe), plus some knowledge in ix86 assembler programming, and preferably also a CD-R drive. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 13:52:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08880 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08849 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA07299 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:42 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA09923 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id WAA09318 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:08:53 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192108.WAA09318@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:08:53 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> from Greg Lehey at "Nov 19, 96 11:16:57 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk p.s.: As Greg Lehey wrote: > - The specs and a cookbook for making bootable CD-ROMs are available > in Adobe Acrobat format (whatever that may be) from a link in > http://www.ptltd.com/techs/specs.html. Maybe somebody can convert > them to PostScript for the rest of us to look at. Btw., forget about that ``cookbook''. It's silly and not what we are looking for. It's not worth to waste the Internet bandwidth sucking that document. Get the El Torito specs, take an eraser, erase every- thing they call ``emulation booting'', and use the remaining 20 % of that document as the basis of your thoughts. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 13:52:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08936 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08853 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA07307; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:45 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA09926; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id WAA09486; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:46:03 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192146.WAA09486@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ed1 probed before ed0 -> iomem problem To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:46:03 +0100 (MET) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191306.OAA25419@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Nov 19, 96 02:06:34 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration Do you perchance have a ROM at this location (e.g. from an Adaptec)? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 13:52:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08946 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08881 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA07315 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:53 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA09929 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:51:52 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id WAA09577 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:49:52 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192149.WAA09577@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:49:52 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191452.PAA26310@freebie.lemis.de> from Greg Lehey at "Nov 19, 96 03:52:20 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > > diff's accepted :) > > Well, I did say "FreeBSD core team" to get myself out of that one :-) ...but you forgot that the core team is no coding machine (no smiley). We are just organizational overhead, nothing else. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 14:16:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10613 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10608 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from base.jnx.com (base.jnx.com [208.197.169.238]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA12177; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pst@localhost) by base.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA00915; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:15:52 -0800 (PST) To: John-Mark Gurney cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ypserv not reloading passwd database References: From: Paul Traina Date: 19 Nov 1996 14:15:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: jmg@nike.efn.org's message of 13 Nov 96 07:38:38 GMT Message-ID: <7y4tilenoo.fsf@base.jnx.com> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmg@nike.efn.org (John-Mark Gurney) writes: > > well... when I change my NIS passwd ypserv does not reload the new > password until I manually send the HUP signal to ypserv... this is a > 960801-SNAP system running the ypserv from current... thanks for your > help... and I hope I have provided enough info... ttyl.. > > John-Mark > > gurney_j@efn.org > http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ > Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) > > Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) > Sounds like you have an old makefile in /var/yp -- you need to run yp_mkdb with the -c flag. Just get the new makefile.yp out of /usr/src/usr.sbin/ypserv. -- IVANOVA: Thank you for getting these ridiculously large and destructive nuclear bombs, G'kar. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 14:21:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10870 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10849 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA08150 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:21:28 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA10495 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:21:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id XAA09962 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:01:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192201.XAA09962@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:01:41 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de> from Greg Lehey at "Nov 19, 96 06:46:12 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com, > so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't > article was that it was pretty straightforward. "straightbackward", you mean? :-) > I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have > directly bootable CD-ROMs. No way. 2.2 is gone. Only critical bugfixes accepted. (There's always one more feature to incorporate... somewhere must be the line. And this one is _far_ from getting ready RSN.) > I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM > would love it, too. We'll accept diffs from Walnut Creek employees, too. ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 14:22:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10933 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10905 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA08154 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:21:29 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA10496 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:21:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id XAA09985 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:05:26 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192205.XAA09985@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:05:26 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611191940.NAA06220@jake.lodgenet.com> from "Eric L. Hernes" at "Nov 19, 96 01:40:01 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Eric L. Hernes wrote: > Yea, I agree. If you look at the `cookbook' document, the bios > interprets a file on the cdrom as a floppy drive. That's the simplest, > and the most kludgy. At a first hack, the install boot image, could > be set up for this and proceed as normal, but I'd be embarrased to > have my name on that hack ;-) :-) Metoo. > get real bootable support complete with boot blocks and such. > Joerg seemed interested in helping out with what he could last time > we talked on it. I just discovered that my hardware didn't support > it so there was really no way to test it. :( Ah, so that's the reason for you disappearing from the surface... anyway, the offer is there: if somebody is seriously interested in writing this, i can get him a copy of all the discussion between Eric and me by that time. Together with the El Torito specs, this should get you a fairly good picture of where to start and how to do it best. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 15:24:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14807 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14730 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA09883; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:21:17 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA11415; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:21:16 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id AAA10772; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:14:44 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611192314.AAA10772@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:14:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9611191833.AA10264@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "Nov 19, 96 01:33:17 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Garrett Wollman wrote: > #0 0x802284e in dialog_menu (title=0x2821 "", prompt=0x2811 "", height=17, > width=37, menu_height=10, cnt=-10, it=0x4208, result=0x0, ch=0xefbfd890, > sc=0xefbfd88c) at /usr/wd1/src/gnu/lib/libdialog/menubox.c:163 > 163 print_item(menu, items[(scroll+i)*2], items[(scroll+i)*2 + 1], i, i == choice, DREF(ditems, scroll + i)); > > (My libdialog has debugging symbols in it (finally!).) Well, copying over menubox.c, and linking it locally was probably much quicker than whacking the entire lib with debugging symbols. :) > If anyone wants to debug this, I'll happily send along a copy of the > zone.tab file which you'll need in order to run the program. Well, this was fairly simple to debug... `scroll' looked awfully like an uninitialized variable. Actually, both, ch and sc were not initialized by the caller. Since your main() is not interested in the return values at all, it's perfectly legal to kill these dummy variables, and pass NULL down to dialog_menu(). Commit to follow... Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is this official policy now? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 16:06:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17590 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.100.208]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17565 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc1.scs-koeln.de ([134.95.30.183]) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA34017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:05:27 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961120000435.006aa4c4@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de> X-Sender: afr04@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:04:35 +0100 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Ralf Luettgen Subject: NFS 3.0 ? Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? Thanks Ralf From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 16:49:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19580 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.uninet.ee (ns.uninet.ee [194.204.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19568 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taavi@localhost) by ns.uninet.ee (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA21288 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:49:19 +0200 (EET) X-Authentication-Warning: ns.uninet.ee: taavi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:49:18 +0200 (EET) From: Taavi Talvik To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Mirroring www.freebsd.org? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup is not available anymore? How about updating http://www.freebsd.org/README.mirror ? regards, taavi ----------------------------------------------------------- Taavi Talvik | Internet: taavi@uninet.ee AS Nosper | phone: +372 6405150 Ravala pst. 10-412 | fax: +372 6405151 EE0001, Tallinn, Estonia | From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 16:55:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19894 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (root@cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19876 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from why.whine.com ([205.150.249.1]) by mail.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <115528-2531>; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:54:58 -0500 Received: from why (andrew@why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00847; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:44 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Greg Lehey cc: "Eric L. Hernes" , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > Eric L. Hernes writes: > > Peter Childs writes: > >> > >> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in > >> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to > >> help you out. > > > > I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then > > I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that > > they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost > > interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum > > up a little support for it in the future. > > Are you talking about your management? > > > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in > > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. > > Now why does that sound familiar? > > > It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from > > `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar > > wrt specs? ;-) > > Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com, > so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't > article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get > their stuff to boot, anyway. > > I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have > directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM > would love it, too. > > Greg > At the least it would be very cool to just have a floppy with boot code on it to bring up a bootable cd. This would solve a lot of space issues when it comes to installing. Imagine a kernel with all the toys in it instead of 'the usual'. Andrew From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 17:32:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22449 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22436 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09530; Wed, 20 Nov 96 02:34:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 02:34:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: current@freebsd.org Subject: boot: -c does not work for me X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: FreeBSD Kernel Configuration Utility - Version 1.1 Type "help" for help or "visual" to go to the visual configuration interface (requires MGA/VGA display or serial terminal capable of displaying ANSI graphics). config> quit ^^^^ of course I did NOT type this :-) I have options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options USERCONFIG_BOOT #imply -c and parse info area options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor in my config file. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 17:56:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23641 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23634 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA10101; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:42:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611200142.SAA10101@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ? To: afr04@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Ralf Luettgen) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:42:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961120000435.006aa4c4@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de> from "Ralf Luettgen" at Nov 20, 96 01:04:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 18:13:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24479 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24463 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14620(13)>; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:58:07 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177557>; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:55:25 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Greg Lehey cc: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes), FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org (FreeBSD current users) Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:46:12 PST." <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:55:13 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Nov19.145525pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de>you write: >... the impression that I got from the c't >article was that it was pretty straightforward. It looks reasonably straightforward. To boot from an emulated floppy, there's a little bit of glue, and then an image as a iso9660 file. We only need to use up cd space for the glue, since the file can just be boot.flp. There's also a "Boot in this manner from the CD" int13 function, so there could be a "bootcd.exe" in case the user's BIOS is a little weird. I stuck the postscript file in http://www.freebsd.org/~fenner/cdrom7.ps for anyone who doesn't have a PDF viewer. Bill From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 18:26:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25335 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25329 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@megillah.demos.su [194.87.0.21] with ESMTP id FAA21917; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:25:57 +0300 Received: by megillah.demos.su id FAA26665; (8.8.3/D) Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:26:05 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611200226.FAA26665@megillah.demos.su> Subject: Re: Mirroring www.freebsd.org? To: taavi@uninet.ee (Taavi Talvik) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:26:05 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Taavi Talvik" at Nov 20, 96 02:49:18 am From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" X-Class: Fast Organization: Demos Company, Ltd. Reply-To: mishania@demos.su X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup > is not available anymore? Err, do you use freezer to make it poor a tea for you?;) Then in case the answer is "no", use a) cvsup for cvsup (ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/CVSup/), you'll understand how to use it, a cutie written in modula-3, and b) /usr/ports/www/webcopy/ (it's from ports-current, I may be mistaken, might be it exists in ports-2.1.5), pearl based one. An advice, use it with -t1 flag, i.e. wait maximum 1 second before next page download. And I assume this belongs more to freebsd-hubs, than freebsd-current.. > > How about updating http://www.freebsd.org/README.mirror ? Let's annoy Mr. Hubbard together on this purpose, but not in -current ;-) -mishania > > regards, > taavi > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Taavi Talvik | Internet: taavi@uninet.ee > AS Nosper | phone: +372 6405150 > Ravala pst. 10-412 | fax: +372 6405151 > EE0001, Tallinn, Estonia | > From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 21:22:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA04594 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04587 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.22]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26533 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22853 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: maryann.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD current Subject: sbin/routed seems busted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways, here's the error output: cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main': /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named `parm_addr_h' /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:301: too few arguments to function `set_tracelevel' /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:354: too few arguments to function `set_tracelevel' /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `rip_on': /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: `IS_RIP_QUERIED' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. I checked, I didn't see any member of struct parm that looked enough like parm_addr_h for me to guess, and I don't have time for more right now, so I thought I'd report it anyways. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 21:34:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05344 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05337 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04055; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:34:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:34:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Jean-Marc Zucconi Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jean-Marc Zucconi writes: > I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not > enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 22:47:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08650 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08643 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA12510 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:47:55 -0800 (PST) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Latest sendmail broke makemap? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:47:55 -0800 Message-ID: <12508.848472475@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After upgrading an ISP friend to the latest sendmail, the makemap utility no longer works - it hangs forever. Sigh. Any ideas? This worked fine up until the upgrade. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Tue Nov 19 23:18:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10089 for current-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10082 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA12672 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:18:31 -0800 (PST) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: More on makemap failures... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:18:31 -0800 Message-ID: <12670.848474311@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [And yes, I rebuilt libc just in case] It hangs here: #0 0x805d0d4 in __log2 () #1 0x805a9ca in __hash_open () #2 0x805a699 in __hash_open () #3 0x805a4ec in dbopen () #4 0x1bc1 in main (argc=3, argv=0xefbfdb8c) at /home/localhost/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/makemap/makemap.c:333 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 00:13:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13399 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13373 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA10453; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:13:41 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA29711; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:24:15 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611200824.JAA29711@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Nov 19, 96 10:34:40 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:24:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr, current@freebsd.org Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jean-Marc Zucconi writes: > > I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not > > enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: > > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig. Besides that you need options USERCONFIG in your kernel config file anyway to get the -c feature, don't you? > > > > Nate > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 01:32:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA18526 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA18490 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA02366; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:31:48 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA01028; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:31:47 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id JAA14319; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:58:00 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611200858.JAA14319@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:58:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: afr04@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611200142.SAA10101@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 19, 96 06:42:44 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? > > That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-). Except that Terry's Lithium level just dropped below the critical minimum... It's 2.2, of course, not 2.0. NFSv3 has been deliberately left out of the entire 2.1.X line. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 02:18:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20998 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA20980 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA11961; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:19:03 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00273; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:29:40 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611201029.LAA00273@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: ed1 probed before ed0 -> iomem problem In-Reply-To: <199611192146.WAA09486@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Nov 19, 96 10:46:03 pm" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:29:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration > > Do you perchance have a ROM at this location (e.g. from an Adaptec)? Not unless the ROMless AVA1505 decodes this memory range which I don't believe since decoding circuitry is missing :-) I reversed the probes back to the normal sequence and things are ok again. At least I have the board now living with the WD8013s but the driver is still defunct. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 03:00:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22488 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22479 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.3/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id LAA10267 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:00:16 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:00:16 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: current@freebsd.org Subject: fetch in 2.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you're moving to the 2.2 branch from current you need to do the following to get fetch to build: cd /usr/src/lib/libftpio make install # only ftpio.h is important. cd /usr/src/usr.bin/fetch make # works! I think the next make world will go thru after doing the above. Regards, Mike Hancock From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 03:30:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA24490 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24472 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.3/8.7.3) id LAA25850; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:32:27 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:32:27 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199611201132.LAA25850@veda.is> To: taob@io.ORG (Brian Tao) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "panic: nfs: sillyrename dir" References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >/* > * Silly rename. To make the NFS filesystem that is stateless look a little > * more like the "ufs" a remove of an active vnode is translated to a rename > * to a funny looking filename that is removed by nfs_inactive on the > * nfsnode. There is the potential for another process on a different client > * to create the same funny name between the nfs_lookitup() fails and the > * nfs_rename() completes, but... > */ > But... what?!?! :) Was this double panic just a coincidence? Probably not relevant to the previous message... I am seeing .nfs* files left in the filesystem long after they are active, perhaps this simply results from rebooting the client machine? Other NFS oddities: I am also noticing 'make clean' sometimes needs to be repeated multiple times on an NFS mounted directory, because of an infamous "rm: directory not empty". 'make includes' with an NFS mounted /usr bails out sometimes complaining about nonexistent files which match a template of INS@* (from install). None of this is new. -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 04:49:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00406 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from box.satech.net.au (root@box.satech.net.au [203.0.179.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00389 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from matte.satech.net.au (matte.satech.net.au [203.1.91.219]) by box.satech.net.au (go-away/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA20500 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:19:19 +1030 Received: from matte.satech.net.au (localhost.satech.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by matte.satech.net.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00850 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:18:22 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3292F70B.41C67EA6@satech.net.au> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:18:20 +1100 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Because I cant be bothered typing too much, heres the paste from my todo list (with annotations): - Get experimental Plug'n'Play driver so I dont have to boot to DOS first to get my sound card activated. - where can I get this experimental PnP driver I've heard about ? - Fix CPU speed detection - hard code the speed - defines ? - hard code the method - defines ? - Worked at 2.1R Since 2.1R about a quarter of all boots get wild CPU speeds reported for my P90... ~40MHz -> ~75MHz This then fills my message logs with heaps of calcru: negative time messages... the only solution is to keep rebooting until I get 90.20MHz reported. It seems to happen regardless of the "X Hz differs from default of Y Hz by more than 1%" messages that I get every now and then on boot. - Fix PCI bus probing - The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS ! - Fix ATAPI cdrom driver - Didn't lock the machine at 2.1R - Used to find itself too... didn't have to make it STATIC. Prolly wasn't a LKM then though. -- ======================================================================== @ Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au @ Play: thyerm@satech.net.au ======================================================================== "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 04:51:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00636 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA00628 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from viking.ucsalf.ac.uk by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA04677 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:52:00 -0800 Received: by viking.ucsalf.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0vQC4o-00036JC; Wed, 20 Nov 96 12:48 GMT Message-Id: From: mark@plato.salford.ac.uk (Mark Powell) Subject: DLT4000 bootup problems To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:48:22 -0000 X-Gated-To-News-By: news@ucsalf.ac.uk Xref: viking.ucsalf.ac.uk list.freebsd.scsi:730 list.freebsd.hackers:9260 list.freebsd.current:5747 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was testing a DLT4000 tape on my system. However, 2.2-960801 hung when the kernel was probing the scsi devices. Any ideas why? Yes, it was properly terminated and I'd slotted it in using the same cable, terminator and scsi ID of the DAT drive that is usually on that machine. -- Mark Powell - Unix Information Officer - Clifford Whitworth Building A.I.S., University of Salford, Salford, Manchester, UK. Tel: +44 161 745 5936 Fax: +44 161 736 3596 Email: mark@ucsalf.ac.uk finger mark@ucsalf.ac.uk (for PGP key) Home Page From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 05:59:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA04921 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA04913 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA05322 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:48:27 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA01873; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:47:05 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id MAA15164; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:10:00 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611201110.MAA15164@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: sbin/routed seems busted To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:10:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Nov 20, 96 00:22:13 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Chuck Robey wrote: > Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways, > here's the error output: > > cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main': > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named > `parm_addr_h' I remember a separate import from Garrett into /usr/src/include where the commit message said something like ``to match the new routed''. Hence, ``cd /usr/src/include; make all install''. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 06:30:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA07270 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA07221 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 06:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15355; Wed, 20 Nov 96 15:31:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 15:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <9611201431.AA15355@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:34:40 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Nate Williams writes: > Jean-Marc Zucconi writes: >> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not >> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig. No change :-( I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel (6 months old) is ok. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 06:51:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA08742 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 06:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08732 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 06:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from packet.eng.umd.edu (packet.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.184]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02908; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by packet.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24897; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: packet.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@packet.eng.umd.edu To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD-current users Subject: Re: sbin/routed seems busted In-Reply-To: <199611201110.MAA15164@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Chuck Robey wrote: > > > Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways, > > here's the error output: > > > > cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c > > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main': > > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named > > `parm_addr_h' > > I remember a separate import from Garrett into /usr/src/include where > the commit message said something like ``to match the new routed''. > Hence, ``cd /usr/src/include; make all install''. OK. This broke on a make world, I didn't see the thing about include, but I thought that'd likely fix it for me. Thanks. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 07:19:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA10374 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10363 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA16925; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:19:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:19:47 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9611201519.AA16925@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD current Subject: sbin/routed seems busted In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways, > here's the error output: I see your problem, it appears to be some sort of merge problem; I am looking into it. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 07:41:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11899 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11878 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA19352; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:40:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:40:42 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9611201540.AA19352@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? In-Reply-To: <199611192314.AAA10772@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <9611191833.AA10264@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199611192314.AAA10772@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is > this official policy now? As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase ``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 08:17:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14014 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13998 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05959; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:16:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:16:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611201616.JAA05959@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Jean-Marc Zucconi Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: <9611201431.AA15355@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> References: <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <9611201431.AA15355@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not > >> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: > > > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c > > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig. > > No change :-( > I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel > (6 months old) is ok. Hmm, although there have been quite a few changes since Oct. 19, a kernel from the 19th should work fine. Do you have the 'USERCONFIG' option as Christopher pointed out? I'm sure you've already done this, but make sure you do a 'make clean' before starting over, or do the configure from scratch to make sure you get a clean compile. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 08:21:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14293 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.planet.co.at (jupiter.planet.co.at [193.170.249.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14117 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (safeconcept.utimaco.co.at [193.170.249.226]) by jupiter.planet.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA06698 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:18:38 +0100 Received: from christian (christian.utimaco.co.at [10.0.0.39]) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02891; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:18:45 +0100 Message-ID: <32932F88.6862@utimaco.co.at> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:19:20 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Organization: Utimaco Safe-Concept X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org CC: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At the least it would be very cool to just have a floppy with boot code on > it to bring up a bootable cd. This would solve a lot of space issues when > it comes to installing. Imagine a kernel with all the toys in it instead > of 'the usual'. > > Andrew Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's it. I was able to boot from the second CD of the 2.0.5 release like that. Maybe you need some options more to get fbsdboot running, I can't remember which options I used. Christian. -- Christian Gusenbauer Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 08:23:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14458 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14385 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id RAA16084 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:22:23 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA06095 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:22:22 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id QAA16618 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:59:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611201559.QAA16618@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:59:41 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9611201540.AA19352@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "Nov 20, 96 10:40:42 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is > > this official policy now? > > As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is > history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre > half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references > that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase > ``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match. At least, this breaks the tradition (not only of FreeBSD). Except IBM's AIX (which uses NFT == Norway-France-Time :), every other Unix around calls it MET now. I think the official translation for this was ``Mediterranean Time''. This might look a little senseless, too, but it's IMHO a bad move to break with a traditional name once people are used to it. I vote for keeping the previous name. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 08:58:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17104 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17095 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05344; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:56:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611201656.IAA05344@austin.polstra.com> To: taavi@uninet.ee Subject: Re: Mirroring www.freebsd.org? Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.current In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:56:33 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article taavi@uninet.ee writes: > How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup > is not available anymore? As another person already pointed out, CVSup isn't really intended for this (yet). But it _can_ do the job. You need a supfile line something like this: www release=current host=cvsup.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/usr \ prefix=/usr/local/www delete old use-rel-suffix (I split it into 2 lines to make it easier to read. You can't really do that.) As always, change "base" and "prefix" to reflect the layout of your site, and add "compress" if you're using a slow link. Notice that unlike other cvsupfiles, you must specify "release=current" here. There's no CVS repository in the picture for this particular collection. Caveat: This isn't perfect. CVSup doesn't handle symbolic links properly. It always follows them to the real files, rather than preserving them as links. There are quite a few symbolic links in the www tree, and as a result you'll get copies of files where you used to get links to them. Whereas the www/data tree on freefall is 8.7 MB, your copy will be 11.6 MB. Also, when a file referenced by symbolic links changes on freefall, each of your copies will be transferred separately. Updates are not intelligent in any sense; any change to a file causes the whole thing to be transferred. I'm going to address these deficiencies in the future, as time permits. My primary focus is still on mirroring CVS repositories, though. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 09:21:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19059 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19031 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16917; Wed, 20 Nov 96 18:22:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 18:22:40 +0100 Message-Id: <9611201722.AA16917@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611201616.JAA05959@rocky.mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:16:33 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Nate Williams writes: >> >> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not >> >> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints: >> >> > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c >> > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig. >> >> No change :-( >> I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel >> (6 months old) is ok. > Hmm, although there have been quite a few changes since Oct. 19, a > kernel from the 19th should work fine. Do you have the 'USERCONFIG' > option as Christopher pointed out? Yes. I have USERCONFIG, USERCONFIG_BOOT and VISUAL_USERCONFIG. > I'm sure you've already done this, but make sure you do a 'make clean' > before starting over, or do the configure from scratch to make sure you > get a clean compile. I always do a config from scratch. > Nate Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 09:25:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19502 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19491 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA17023; Wed, 20 Nov 96 18:28:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 18:28:05 +0100 Message-Id: <9611201728.AA17023@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: current@freebsd.org Subject: make world failure X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With sources from 11/19 21:00 cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../cc_tools -static -o cc1obj objc-parse.o objc-act.o c-aux-info.o c-convert.o c-decl.o c-iterate.o c-lex.o c-typeck.o /usr/obj/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../cc_int/libcc_int.a cc: /usr/obj/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../cc_int/libcc_int.a: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 09:29:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19784 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19773 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA18347; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:21:37 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA07205; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:21:37 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id SAA17068; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:11:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611201711.SAA17068@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:11:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <32932F88.6862@utimaco.co.at> from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at "Nov 20, 96 05:19:20 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat > and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's > it. Dosboot... the source code in the tree looks fairly outdated. Christian, can you see to update it? It would also be fine to find a method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could get it to compile with bcc(1) and finally make a .com file out of it. ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 10:20:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24196 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.planet.co.at (jupiter.planet.co.at [193.170.249.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24188 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (safeconcept.utimaco.co.at [193.170.249.226]) by jupiter.planet.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA06921; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:20:03 +0100 Received: from christian (christian.utimaco.co.at [10.0.0.39]) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03237; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:20:08 +0100 Message-ID: <32934BF8.471A@utimaco.co.at> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:20:40 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Organization: Utimaco Safe-Concept X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joerg Wunsch CC: FreeBSD-current users , Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at Subject: Re: cdrom boot? References: <199611201711.SAA17068@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > > > Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat > > and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's > > it. > > Dosboot... the source code in the tree looks fairly outdated. > Christian, can you see to update it? It would also be fine to find a Yes, I know. There's a big lack of spare-time ... > method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine > headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could Yeah, that would be fine ;-) > get it to compile with bcc(1) and finally make a .com file out of it. > > ;-) I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) and I'm not very familar with the unix assembler. Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like the 'far' masm statement)? Christian. -- Christian Gusenbauer Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 10:48:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26578 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ec.camitel.com (ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26558; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00811; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD X-PRIORITY: 2 (High) Priority: urgent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:24:21 -0500 (EST) Organization: =?us-ascii?Q?=C9lectro-Conception?= From: Christian Fortin To: FREEBSD-HACKERS@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@freebsd.org Subject: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0. Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux... Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-) But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it ! WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences... It include the support for many kind of keyboard language and all the stuf for build graphique... The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS. A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable... ####################################################### # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: # # wp@ec.camitel.com # # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ # # Name: # # #tel: # # #Fax: # # Adress: # # ZIP: # ####################################################### If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version a person from Corel will contact you in few month... It depend how many personne want it... ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 11/20/96 Heure: 13:24:21 ##################################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com | G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J --------------------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- - From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 10:48:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26722 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26713 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA11484; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:34:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611201834.LAA11484@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:34:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, afr04@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE In-Reply-To: <199611200858.JAA14319@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 20, 96 09:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? > > > > That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-). > > Except that Terry's Lithium level just dropped below the critical > minimum... It's 2.2, of course, not 2.0. NFSv3 has been deliberately > left out of the entire 2.1.X line. I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 11:03:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27624 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27617 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA11518; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:48:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611201848.LAA11518@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: "panic: nfs: sillyrename dir" To: adam@veda.is (Adam David) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:48:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: taob@io.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611201132.LAA25850@veda.is> from "Adam David" at Nov 20, 96 11:32:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am seeing .nfs* files left in the filesystem long after they are active, > perhaps this simply results from rebooting the client machine? Yes. The state that says "delete this object with a real delete on 1->0 reference count" exists only on the client, and is destroyed when the client crashes. It is the NFS "close" on the client that destroys objects tagged this way. In general, there will not be file name collisions, since the name is supposed to be manufactured from sysid and pid. If a lookup succeeds, it will succeed in the name space segment of the system with the same systemid... thus, it is legal for a system to do a lookup and a create, as long as the client process isn't multithreaded (ie: more than one kernel entry on a PID simultaneously), or the client access is per process mutexed. In the general kernel multithreading case, this is not a problem, since the remote PID is replaced by the remote LWP ID on the way to the NFS host, and they are unique, no matter how many threads you have in the same process. Either way, collisions will not occur, and you are safe (FreeBSD is not process reentrant for deletes anyway). It is the responsibility of the NFS server to run a process (after sufficient time has passed for NFS clients to reestablish their mount instances) to clean up these files (generally, using a cron job that references RPC.statd to ensure that deletion by ".nfs*" will not selete any active files. An rcp.statd client reboot detection is a license to log rename events of the appropriate pattern and exclude them from the deletion pass for the system ID, but allow the deletion of unprotected objects otherwise. In general, the rpc.statd now works, so this could be implemented on the server side). > I am also noticing 'make clean' sometimes needs to be repeated multiple times > on an NFS mounted directory, because of an infamous "rm: directory not empty". A cached file in the client buffer cache will maintain a reference even after deletion for the cache timeout duration if there is a vnode reference in the name cache for the object. This is an issue you need to take up with the VM guru's. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 11:39:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29267 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29260 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA15371 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id GAA18450; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:30:35 +1100 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:30:35 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611201930.GAA18450@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't >understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) Yes it does: int main(argc, argv) int achar **argv; { int foo; ; /* end declarations to get frame allocated */ #asm ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's ; for x >= 3. mov ax,_main.argc[sp] mov bx,_main.argv[sp] mov cx,_main.foo[sp] mov dx,1 ... #endasm } >and I'm not very familar >with the unix assembler. It doesn't use "the" unix assembler. >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like >the 'far' masm statement)? No. It only supports pure tiny and small models. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 12:36:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02575 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02557; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00889; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611202036.MAA00889@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Christian Fortin cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:24:21 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:37 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8) Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin : > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0. > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux... > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-) > > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it ! > > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences... > > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language > and all the stuf for build graphique... > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS. > > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable... > > > > ####################################################### > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: # > # wp@ec.camitel.com # > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ # > # Name: # > # #tel: # > # #Fax: # > # Adress: # > # ZIP: # > ####################################################### > > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version > a person from Corel will contact you in few month... > It depend how many personne want it... > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Christian Fortin > Date: 11/20/96 > Heure: 13:24:21 > ##################################################--------+ > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com | > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J > --------------------------L---WM-----< > \----1 > --- > - From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 13:34:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11482 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (root@hub.org [204.101.125.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11376; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.2/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA22765; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:33:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Amancio Hasty cc: Christian Fortin , FREEBSD-HACKERS@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) In-Reply-To: <199611202036.MAA00889@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do > so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8) > I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :( > Regards, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin : > > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0. > > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux... > > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-) > > > > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it ! > > > > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price > > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences... > > > > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language > > and all the stuf for build graphique... > > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS. > > > > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable... > > > > > > > > ####################################################### > > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: # > > # wp@ec.camitel.com # > > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ # > > # Name: # > > # #tel: # > > # #Fax: # > > # Adress: # > > # ZIP: # > > ####################################################### > > > > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version > > a person from Corel will contact you in few month... > > It depend how many personne want it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > E-Mail: Christian Fortin > > Date: 11/20/96 > > Heure: 13:24:21 > > ##################################################--------+ > > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | > > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | > > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | > > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com | > > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J > > --------------------------L---WM-----< > > \----1 > > --- > > - > > Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 14:09:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13970 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13948; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from spyder.inna.net (jamie@spyder.inna.net [206.151.66.4]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01071; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:13:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:14:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Amancio Hasty cc: Christian Fortin , FREEBSD-HACKERS@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) In-Reply-To: <199611202036.MAA00889@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would. On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do > so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8) > > Regards, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin : > > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0. > > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux... > > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-) > > > > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it ! > > > > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price > > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences... > > > > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language > > and all the stuf for build graphique... > > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS. > > > > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable... > > > > > > > > ####################################################### > > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: # > > # wp@ec.camitel.com # > > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ # > > # Name: # > > # #tel: # > > # #Fax: # > > # Adress: # > > # ZIP: # > > ####################################################### > > > > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version > > a person from Corel will contact you in few month... > > It depend how many personne want it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > E-Mail: Christian Fortin > > Date: 11/20/96 > > Heure: 13:24:21 > > ##################################################--------+ > > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | > > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | > > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | > > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com | > > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J > > --------------------------L---WM-----< > > \----1 > > --- > > - > > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 15:03:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19643 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hod.tera.com (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19590; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17835; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02890; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:02:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611202302.PAA02890@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at "Nov 20, 96 04:33:44 pm" To: scrappy@ki.net (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:02:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, cfortin@ec.camitel.com, FREEBSD-HACKERS@FreeBSD.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@FreeBSD.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@FreeBSD.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@FreeBSD.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Marc G. Fournier: > On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do > > so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8) > > > > I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not > send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would > really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release > it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really > set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :( > > Indeed. I hope that WP 7.0 is the first of many prev'ly DOS-only or Mac-only ports. The one tool that I would buy is that checkbook/banking program. The way to initiate these ports to FreeBSD is to be willing to buy them. gary kline From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 15:21:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20718 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua ([194.93.190.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20678; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [194.93.190.3]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22508; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:19:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:19:47 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: Jamie Bowden cc: Amancio Hasty , Christian Fortin , FREEBSD-HACKERS@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-STABLE@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CURRENT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello people, On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't > rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would. Gmm. Let's everyone really write the message to Corel, but inserting your own actual idea of how much should it cost for you just go and buy it. Why should you lie, what for? Proposed template: To: wp@ec.camitel.com Subject: WP 7.0 For freeBSD Hello, I'll happily buy WP 7.0 for FreeBSD! _but_ at $67.95, not 495$; and if the price will be $49.95, I will shout at each street corner about such a great offer from Corel to us, free-UNIX users. (Please remember -- free-UNIX users aren't corporations!) Thanks! Name: Joe hacker tel: 2223322 Fax: 3332233 Adress: ... ZIP: ... Substitute your idea of reasonable price for WP 7.0 in the template above. :-) I'm not in US, so my idea of reasonability might differ from yours. BTW -- what will be WP 7.0 price for their winglows97 version? That might give us yet another approximation of price reasonability. -- Best, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 15:36:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21701 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dcs.stu.rpi.edu (kdupuis@dcs.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.161.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21694 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kdupuis@localhost) by dcs.stu.rpi.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00743 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:36:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:36:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth J. Dupuis" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jamie Bowden wrote: > WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't > rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would. Hah! How do you think Rensselaer feels?! They've got a site license for 1000 users across 3 major platforms: IBM RS/6000's (running AIX 3.2.5 & AIX 4.1.4) Sun's (running SunOS 4.1.3 & Solaris 2.5) SGI's (running IRIX 5.3) Regards, Kenneth J. Dupuis External Consultant Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 18:05:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26715 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26707 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA00433 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.HiWAAY.net (max2-194.HiWAAY.net) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28315 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:04:41 -0800 Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.HiWAAY.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA00306 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:01:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:41:27 -0600 Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: David Kelly Resent-To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:53:48 -0600 (CST) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: More 3.0-current manpage oddities Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been digging thru manpages in 3.0-current quite a bit lately and have been noticing some things. Current's man page for sh doesn't list the option for "sh -c" that is discussed in the man page for popen(). In "man 3 end" [snip] DESCRIPTION The global variables end, extext and edata correspond to the the ^-- extra "x" (?) Meanwhile I still don't understand what end, etext, and edata contain. gdb reports end is an int function. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 18:12:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26960 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26947 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.3/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id CAA16848; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:12:03 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:12:02 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CURRENT-L Subject: Re: "panic: nfs: sillyrename dir" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I haven't looked at the sillyname algorithm. It really depends on how well it picks out a name. NFS is stateless so it is hard to preserve Unix semantics when deleting a file that is open by another process. In Unix when a file is deleted, any process that has the file open can continue to use it. The inactive call detects last close of a deleted file and does the actual remove. When the nfs client detects an attempt to delete an open file, it renames to the file to a name that is unlikely to conflict and then removes the file on last close. If you have more than 1 nfs client it is possible to get sillyname collisions. If another client deletes the file then you will get a stale file error. If the server crashes between the rename and the remove, you get garbage files left behind. Regards, Mike Hancock On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Brian Tao wrote: > This is a new and amusing one. ;-) I have two shell servers, one > running 2.2-961014-SNAP and the other running 2.2-960501-SNAP. Both > have identical hardware and both mount the same nine filesystems from > three NFS servers (one is NetBSD 1.1, one is FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP, > and one is BSD/OS 2.01). Neither act as an NFS server. > > A couple of days ago, both of them crashed with the same kernel > panic within 97 seconds of each other, "panic: nfs: sillyrename dir". > I don't know if this is significant, but it takes about that length of > time for one of those shell servers to reboot. > > In /usr/src/sys/nfs/nfs_vnops.c, there is the following comment > block before the nfs_sillyrename() function: > > /* > * Silly rename. To make the NFS filesystem that is stateless look a little > * more like the "ufs" a remove of an active vnode is translated to a rename > * to a funny looking filename that is removed by nfs_inactive on the > * nfsnode. There is the potential for another process on a different client > * to create the same funny name between the nfs_lookitup() fails and the > * nfs_rename() completes, but... > */ > > But... what?!?! :) Was this double panic just a coincidence? > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) > Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 18:30:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27888 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27883 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.HiWAAY.net (max2-194.HiWAAY.net) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA26754 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:56:33 -0800 Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.HiWAAY.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA00295 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:53:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:53:20 -0600 Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: David Kelly Resent-To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:50:34 -0600 (CST) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: man procfs Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In "man procfs" for 3.0-current says: [snip] file the executable image (not currently implemented) [snip] Each node is owned by the process's user, and belongs to that user's pri- mary group, except for the mem node, which belongs to the kmem group in- stead. (This is not yet true, but will be eventually.) Both of the above caveats apear no longer true for 3.0-current: PeeCee: {1125} uname -a FreeBSD PeeCee.tbe.com 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Nov 19 13:10:26 CST 1996 dkelly@PeeCee.tbe.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PEECEE i386 PeeCee: {1126} ls -l /proc/3916 total 36 --w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 ctl -r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 etype -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 file* -rw------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 fpregs -r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 map -rw-r----- 1 dkelly kmem 0 Nov 20 13:50 mem --w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 note --w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 notepg -rw------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 regs -r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 status PeeCee: {1127} ls -li /proc/3916/file /usr/bin/more 7860 -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 /proc/3916/file* 7860 -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 /usr/bin/more* PeeCee: {1128} -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ====================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 20:14:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA03206 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03197 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id OAA11031 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:44:02 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611210414.OAA11031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Soundblaster stuff for 2.2 - broken or changed> To: current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:44:02 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked, or has nobody checked this? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 21:46:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06818 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06812 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA29155; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:39:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3293EB11.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:39:29 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Soundblaster stuff for 2.2 - broken or changed> References: <199611210414.OAA11031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with > Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I > losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked, > or has nobody checked this? The fix is to add teh following line to files.i386 i386/isa/sound/awe_wave.c optional awe device-driver > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 20 23:27:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10577 for current-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.planet.co.at (jupiter.planet.co.at [193.170.249.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10572 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (safeconcept.utimaco.co.at [193.170.249.226]) by jupiter.planet.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA08434; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:26:57 +0100 Received: from christian (christian.utimaco.co.at [10.0.0.39]) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00494; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:27:11 +0100 Message-ID: <32940469.37FB@utimaco.co.at> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:27:37 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Organization: Utimaco Safe-Concept X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Evans CC: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrom boot? References: <199611201930.GAA18450@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: > > >I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't > >understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) > > Yes it does: > > int main(argc, argv) > int achar **argv; > { > int foo; > ; /* end declarations to get frame allocated */ > #asm OK, that's the magic keyword. > ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's > ; for x >= 3. > mov ax,_main.argc[sp] > mov bx,_main.argv[sp] > mov cx,_main.foo[sp] > mov dx,1 > ... > #endasm > } > > >and I'm not very familar > >with the unix assembler. > > It doesn't use "the" unix assembler. I see. > > >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like > >the 'far' masm statement)? > > No. It only supports pure tiny and small models. So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements. How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files? Christian. -- Christian Gusenbauer Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 00:31:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12398 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.guru.org (kmitch@unix.guru.org [198.82.200.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12391; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kmitch@localhost) by unix.guru.org (8.8.2/8.7.3) id DAA00572; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:31:53 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Mitchell Message-Id: <199611210831.DAA00572@unix.guru.org> Subject: More Problems (SCSI?) and -current To: gibbs@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:31:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Justin, I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system. This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current [unix Thu 3:19am]:/home/kmitch# dump 0df 61000 /dev/null / DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Thu Nov 21 03:20:12 1996 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd0a (/) to /dev/null DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 34496 tape blocks on 0.05 tape(s). DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0a: Input/output error: [block 9376]: count=8192 DUMP: DUMP: 34501 tape blocks on 1 volumes(s) DUMP: finished in 45 seconds, throughput 766 KBytes/sec DUMP: Closing /dev/null DUMP: DUMP IS DONE I don't think this is the drive. I have re-lowlevel'd the drive and reconstructed the file system and still get these errors. During the process, I booted from a 2.1.5 disk and I could run dump without any problems at all. I also ran Adaptec's verify utility to make sure there were no media defects and it couldn't find any. Any Idea what may have caused this?? From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 00:33:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12466 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12461 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA09799; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:23:45 +1100 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:23:45 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611210823.TAA09799@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's >> ; for x >= 3. >> mov ax,_main.argc[sp] This actually needs to use esp, since [sp] doesn't work on any x86. Clear the high 16 bits of esp before using it and pray that interrupt handlers don't change them. >> >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like >> >the 'far' masm statement)? >> >> No. It only supports pure tiny and small models. > >So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements. I meant that the compiler doesn't support it. The assembler supports all modes. >How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files? No. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 00:48:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13019 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from scotty.masternet.it (scotty.masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12881 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from scotty.masternet.it.masternet.it (ts1port2d.masternet.it [194.184.65.24]) by scotty.masternet.it (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01070 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:42:38 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961121093622.007240e4@scotty.masternet.it> X-Sender: gmarco@scotty.masternet.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:38:30 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: Soundblaster stuff for 2.2 - broken or changed> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 14.44 21/11/96 +1030, Michael Smith wrote: > >Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with >Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I >losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked, >or has nobody checked this? > I said it a week ago but none answered me a solution, what about a fix ctm for this ? Thanks very much ... Regards... +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Internet: gmarco@masternet.it | ,,, | | Internet: gmarco@fi.nettuno.it | (o o) | | | ---oo0-(_)-0oo--- | | http://www2.masternet.it/ | Gianmarco | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 01:07:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA13578 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13569 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id UAA10986; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:01:11 +1100 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:01:11 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611210901.UAA10986@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dkelly@hiwaay.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: More 3.0-current manpage oddities Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In "man 3 end" >[snip] >DESCRIPTION > The global variables end, extext and edata correspond to the the > ^-- extra "x" (?) >Meanwhile I still don't understand what end, etext, and edata contain. They are addresses, not variables. They can't quite be declared in C, but the declarations in the man page are worse than necessary - `extern foo;' means `extern int foo;' but there are no ints involved. The declarations should be: extern void etext(); /* or maybe extern char etext[]; */ extern char edata[]; extern char end[]; These labels are intialized at link time by ld(1). They don't have much to do with brk(2) or malloc(3). Some pointers for brk() and sbrk() are initialized to `end'. The HISTORY section says that the `end' _manual_ appeared in V6. >gdb reports end is an int function. This is wrong too. etext is sort of an int function because it is in the text section, but `end' is in the data section. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 01:24:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14169 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14157 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA17758 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:24:02 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA23140 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:24:01 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id KAA20569 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:07:50 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611210907.KAA20569@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:07:50 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199611201834.LAA11484@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 20, 96 11:34:22 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? ^^^^^^^ > > NFSv3 has been deliberately > > left out of the entire 2.1.X line. > > I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch. Lame excuse. ;) experimental != release. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 01:27:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14253 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14237 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA17766; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:24:03 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA23141; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:24:02 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id KAA20733; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:20:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611210920.KAA20733@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:20:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at (DI. Christian Gusenbauer) In-Reply-To: <32934BF8.471A@utimaco.co.at> from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at "Nov 20, 96 07:20:40 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > > method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine > > headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could > > Yeah, that would be fine ;-) Well, is it more than just the LF -> CRLF conversion? This one should be fairly simple. > I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't > understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) and I'm not very familar > with the unix assembler. Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like > the 'far' masm statement)? bcc ain't a DOS compiler. However, you can at least generate .com files with it using a little dd(1) trickery. See the pcemu port for how this can be done. Of course, you can also stuff the asm source into separate object modules if you don't prefer Bruce's inline asm suggestions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 02:12:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15736 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.planet.co.at (jupiter.planet.co.at [193.170.249.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA15715 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (safeconcept.utimaco.co.at [193.170.249.226]) by jupiter.planet.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA08833; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:08:22 +0100 Received: from christian (christian.utimaco.co.at [10.0.0.39]) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00949; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: <32942A3E.766@utimaco.co.at> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:09:02 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Organization: Utimaco Safe-Concept X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Evans CC: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrom boot? References: <199611210823.TAA09799@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: > > >> ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's > >> ; for x >= 3. > >> mov ax,_main.argc[sp] > > This actually needs to use esp, since [sp] doesn't work on any x86. Clear > the high 16 bits of esp before using it and pray that interrupt handlers > don't change them. :) > > >> >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like > >> >the 'far' masm statement)? > >> > >> No. It only supports pure tiny and small models. > > > >So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements. > > I meant that the compiler doesn't support it. The assembler supports > all modes. So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in the inline assembler? > > >How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files? > > No. Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)? Thanks, Christian. -- Christian Gusenbauer Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 08:35:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02899 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02871; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:34:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611211634.IAA02871@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Keith Mitchell cc: gibbs@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More Problems (SCSI?) and -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:31:53 EST." <199611210831.DAA00572@unix.guru.org> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:34:51 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Justin, > >I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system. >This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB >pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 09:09:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06080 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06073 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA16131 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:10:48 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA05914 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:21:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:21:56 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: my world build stucks - vi.ref Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any idea what might be screwed with my /usr/src tree when I get this: ===> share/doc/usd/13.viref # Build index.so, side-effect of building the paper. sed -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(vi.ref\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/ 13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(ex.cmd.roff\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../.. /../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \][\ \ ]*\)\( ref.so\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/ USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(set.opt.roff\)$:\1/us r/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ \2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(vi.cmd.roff\)$:\1/usr/ src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/\2 :' -e 's:^\.so index.so$::' /usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../c ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/ null groff: can't find `DESC' file groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp' *** Error code 3 Stop. *** Error code 1 --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 11:21:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11957 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11950 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id GAA25686; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:17:29 +1100 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:17:29 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611211917.GAA25686@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in >the inline assembler? Only for 0 <= x <= 4. >Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)? No. Just use the simple version of printf in the standard bootstrap, and DOS calls for file descriptor i/o and BIOS calls for console i/o. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 13:10:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17510 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17498 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA13963; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:56:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611212056.NAA13963@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ? To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:56:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611210907.KAA20569@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 96 10:07:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0? > ^^^^^^^ > > > NFSv3 has been deliberately > > > left out of the entire 2.1.X line. > > > > I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch. > > Lame excuse. ;) experimental != release. Should I underline "contain" and post this back? ...Naw. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 13:12:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17638 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-98.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17632; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00660; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:14:11 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611202214.XAA00660@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-ISDN: +49.89.26023276 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:50:31 +0100." <910.848400631@critter.tfs.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:14:10 +0100 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Poul-Henning CC Current Reference: > From: Poul-Henning Kamp > Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:50:31 +0100 > > In message <9611190816.AA13849@wavehh.hanse.de>, Martin Cracauer writes: > > > >ctm cvs-cur.2716.gz > > FN: CVSROOT/val-tags md5 mismatch. > > FN: CVSROOT/val-tags edit returned 1. > >Exit(73) > > There is an unfortunate error on delta 2716. > > Please run these commands before applying the delta: > > echo 'RELENG_2_1_0 y' > $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags > echo 'HEAD y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags > echo 'JULIAN_HACK y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags > echo 'SCSI y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags > echo 'ALLMAN y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ? Or do CTM-CVS recipients need to make careful note of this in our private local directory archives of received ctm diffs ? IE when people blow away their local cvs tree & try to rebuild, will this (example) be sufficient : (A) ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]* ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-9]* or will this be necessary: (B) ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]*.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-6]*.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.270*.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.271[1-5].gz echo 'RELENG_2_1_0 y' > $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags echo 'HEAD y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags echo 'JULIAN_HACK y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags echo 'SCSI y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags echo 'ALLMAN y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.271[6-9].gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.27[2-9]*.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[8-9]*.gz ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.3*.gz Hoping (A) is sufficient :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 14:36:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22110 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22070; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19011; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: AIIIEEEEE... 3.0-current no bootee Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmph. I cvsup'd -current this morning. Built a kernel. P120, 128MB RAM, It's panicing with "supervisor write, page not present, right after the "REAL MEMORY = 13417720". If somebody needs all the gobbledygook, I can write it down. I have "MAXMEM=131072" in my kernel config file. A kernel from a couple days ago (albeit/w/o the maxmem option) boots and runs fine. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 14:38:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22273 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22251; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA22805; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:38:33 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA10633; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:38:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id WAA22520; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:03:19 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611212103.WAA22520@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:03:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies), doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Nov 21, 96 06:21:56 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/ > null > groff: can't find `DESC' file > groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp' > *** Error code 3 Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER. If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 14:39:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22369 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22337 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA22788 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:38:23 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA10627 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:38:23 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id VAA22364 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:50:21 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611212050.VAA22364@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:50:21 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <32942A3E.766@utimaco.co.at> from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at "Nov 21, 96 11:09:02 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > > >How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files? > > > > No. > > Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)? What about compiling a subset of libc with bcc? I'm even willing to make this a `port' so you could install a package instead of fiddling everything inside dosboot (fbsdboot). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 14:58:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA23671 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23666; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12510; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:58:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:58:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611212258.PAA12510@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-current users), kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies), doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref In-Reply-To: <199611212103.WAA22520@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <199611212103.WAA22520@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER. > > If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me > again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk. Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin* Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 15:01:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23862 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23851 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10281 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:01:18 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id AAA28565 for freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:00:37 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.2/keltia-uucp-2.9) id XAA19256; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:55:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:55:22 +0100 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref References: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#2686 In-Reply-To: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from Christoph Kukulies on Nov 21, 1996 18:21:56 +0100 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Christoph Kukulies: > ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/ ^^^^ > null > groff: can't find `DESC' file > groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp' unsetenv PRINTER should be good. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #28: Sun Nov 10 13:37:41 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 15:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27193 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.22.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27184 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunbaked.gsfc743 by sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id SAA26449; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:50:56 -0500 Received: by sunbaked.gsfc743 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA08669; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:51:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:51:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199611212351.SAA08669@sunbaked.gsfc743> From: Tim Singletary To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: problems with 2.2-alpha Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just another data point: FreeBSD 2.2-Alpha and XFree86-32 on a P-166 with an adaptec 2940 controller, SCSI disk, 3C900 ethernet, a Matrox Millenium, and a two-button PS/2 mouse. Pretty much a vanilla kernel and XF86Config. Mostly things are working great! However, every now and then X gets weird. The odd stuff seems to start when I'm doing things that involve a lot of `clicking the mouse'. Once the weird stuff starts, -- is the only way out. Some of the things that have happened include: * the pointer jumps toward the upper right corner. * windows act as if they got a button events. * the keyboard stops working. Or rather, it generates seemingly random characters. * the pointer starts moving in `slow motion'. Sorry I can't characterize things better; I'm still looking for the pattern to the behavior. I'm not sure what to blame. Am I seeing a bug in FreeBSD? XFree86?? Is the video card the culprit??? Any thoughts or pointers to where I should look to find better clues? tim From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 15:57:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27541 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27515; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06447; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:57:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:57:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Nate Williams cc: Joerg Wunsch , FreeBSD-current users , Christoph Kukulies , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref In-Reply-To: <199611212258.PAA12510@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > > Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER. > > > > If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me > > again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk. > > Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin* Yes, please. Watch out though, some Makefiles in the doc tree fiddle directly with the PRINTER variable so just changing it in bsd.doc.mk may break some things. I looked at changing it once, but never got around to it. I might also suggest FORMATS rather than the singular form. The way bsd.sgml.mk works is that all specified formats (eg FORMATS="html ps") get built and/or installed in one pass. Since you can get ascii, latin1, postscript, and others out of groff, it may be applicable for other docs as well. At one point in history, Makefile at the top of the doc tree made two passes over the subdirectories, once with PRINTER=ascii and once with PRINTER=ps. Needless to say, this wasn't very flexible, but removing the explicit setting of PRINTER (which overrides the environment variable) has caused some grief. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 16:17:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28947 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28937; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA25567; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:17:33 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA13077; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:17:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id AAA23174; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:12:52 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611212312.AAA23174@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:12:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: jhs@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611202214.XAA00660@vector.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at "Nov 20, 96 11:14:10 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Why the heck did you move this to -current?!) As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ? Nope. Think about it, it's impossible. Once cvs-cur.XXXX didn't apply, no other subsequent delta will apply. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 16:30:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00245 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00238 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13258; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:30:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:30:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611220030.RAA13258@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Sound-code merge in 2.2 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apologies to Poul and Jordan for jumping in again on the 2.2 branch, but they did ask for help. :) First of all, I picked -current for this email, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate. Do we still continue to post stuff here for 2.2? In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in it), and it failed to compile. I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me know. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 16:36:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00562 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00549 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13294; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:36:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:36:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611220036.RAA13294@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Tim Singletary Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with 2.2-alpha In-Reply-To: <199611212351.SAA08669@sunbaked.gsfc743> References: <199611212351.SAA08669@sunbaked.gsfc743> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tim Singletary writes: > Just another data point: FreeBSD 2.2-Alpha .. > a two-button PS/2 mouse. ... Pretty much a vanilla kernel > However, every now and then X gets weird. The odd stuff seems to > start when I'm doing things that involve a lot of `clicking the > mouse'. Once the weird stuff starts, -- is the only > way out. Some of the things that have happened include: There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also causing other problems which are being worked on. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 16:43:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00971 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.vlsi.fi (vlsi24.hermia.sci.fi [195.74.10.147]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00964 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.vlsi.fi (8.7.6/8.7.3) id CAA09864; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:44:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from vlsi1.vlsi.fi(193.64.2.2) by mail.vlsi.fi via smap (V1.3) id sma009858; Fri Nov 22 02:44:04 1996 Received: from layout.vlsi.fi by vlsi1.vlsi.fi with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA220253360; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:42:41 +0200 Received: by layout.vlsi.fi (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076983360; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:42:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:42:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199611220042.AA076983360@layout.vlsi.fi> From: Ville Eerola To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref In-Reply-To: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <199611211721.SAA05914@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: VM Version 5.93 (beta) under GNU Emacs 19.29.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Christoph Kukulies writes: > > Any idea what might be screwed with my /usr/src tree when I get this: > ===> share/doc/usd/13.viref [...] > groff: can't find `DESC' file > groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp' > *** Error code 3 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 It's the same problem that has bugged me too often when making world. Undefine your PRINTER environment variable. Or otherwise put something like: PRINTER= ascii in your /etc/make.conf It's only too bad that the system build uses a variable that is also used by the lpr-family programs for everyday work :-( It would be much better to use a variable something like 'DOCS_FORMAT' for the purpose of formatting the documents. Regards, Ville -- Ville.Eerola@vlsi.fi VLSI Solution Oy Tel:+358 3 3165579 Hermiankatu 6-8 C Fax:+358 3 3165220 FIN-33720 Tampere, Finland From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 17:11:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02376 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02363 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13566; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611220111.SAA13566@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Lockups with networking on 2.2 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My 2.2 laptop has locked up twice in the last 2 days with routed killing off my network card. It doesn't say anything, but all networking stops. If I do an 'ifconfig zp0 down' it'll then spit out the message to the console, but then the machine is hosed. It also corrupted my kernel binary the first time. *sigh* IBM ThinkPad 755C (486/75)-36MB memory, 3C389B, no X and/or mouse running. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 17:26:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03530 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03525 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA16118; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:56:21 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611220126.LAA16118@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2 In-Reply-To: <199611220030.RAA13258@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Nov 21, 96 05:30:34 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:56:21 +1030 (CST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams stands accused of saying: > > In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the > sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while > trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in > it), and it failed to compile. I ran into that yesterday, and Julian posted a response. I've been building as many 2.2A systems as I can, but so far that's been the only problem (other than a bad sup). > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me > know. Ta. If I'm lucky, I'll get your commits when I CVSup in an hour or so, and I'll do a test build then. > Nate -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 18:01:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05518 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule0.mindspring.com (mule0.mindspring.com [204.180.128.166]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05459 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlb.users.mindspring.com (user-168-121-25-139.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.25.139]) by mule0.mindspring.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA38750; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:00:19 GMT Message-ID: <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:00:49 -0500 From: Ron Bolin X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <3294540F.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611211820.LAA11348@rocky.mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > > > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I > > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at > > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot. > > S'ren and I are both on it, we hope to have something *soon*, but I'm > really strapped for time to work on it right now. > > Nate -Nate, I have noticed that with 1.89 syscons.c I can take my P6 200 down to 10% idle (top 3.4) by just moving an rxvt term with the PS/2 mouse. The older driver did not do that as far as I know. Anyone else with a PS/2 mouse or seiral mouse for that mater notice this? Ron - **************************************************************************** Ron Bolin rlb@mindspring.com, http://www.mindspring.com/~rlb/ GSU: gs01rlb@panther.gsu.edu matrlbx@indigo4.cs.gsu.edu Home: 770-992-8877 **************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 18:09:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05923 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.HiWAAY.net (max1-133.HiWAAY.net [206.104.21.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05913 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.HiWAAY.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA01470; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:03:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199611161050.LAA05963@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:55:03 -0600 (CST) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: /usr/bin/mail in current is giving me fits. Cc: radha@syl.sj.nec.com, (FreeBSD-current users) Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 17:50:14 J Wunsch wrote: >>As David Kelly wrote: > >> PeeCee: {1006} mail >> Mail version 8.1 6/6/93. Type ? for help. >> "/var/mail/dkelly": 3 messages 3 new >> >N 1 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test1" >> N 2 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test2" >> N 3 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test3" >> & d 2 >> Message 3: >> >From dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52:57 1996 >> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:52:57 -0600 (CST) >> From: David Kelly > >...strange. I cannot reproduce it, it works as expected for me. Well, hanging my head in shame, I found it. Operator error. Stupid simple little thing as ~/.mailrc and /usr/share/skel/dot.mailrc have this little line that escaped my notice: set append ask autoprint "autoprint" was the culprit. Needless to say, autoprint is not the behaviour I've come to expect of Mail. OTOH, I'll never forget its meaning now. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 19:12:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12452 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nebula.noc.webspan.net (nebula.noc.webspan.net [206.154.70.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12447 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by nebula.noc.webspan.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23997 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:12:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:12:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Xanim 2.70.6.3 on 2.2-961014-SNAP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone else having problems running Xanim on current? This is what I get: % xanim foo.mov XAnim Rev 2.70.6.3 by Mark Podlipec (c) 1991-1996 Bad system call (core dumped) The core image is rather useless, and I've already recompiled. Any ideas? Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webspan.net System Administrator ringring:9088861994x419 Webspan, Inc. woowoo:http://www.webspan.net/~jooji itakefullandsoleresponsibilityforthatmuckuptherenomatterhowstupiditsounds From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 19:58:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18783 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18770 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07972; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:58:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:58:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Nate Williams cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2 In-Reply-To: <199611220030.RAA13258@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the > sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while > trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in > it), and it failed to compile. > > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me > know. I just cvsupped RELENG_2_2 (kernel) and... In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h:31, from ../../i386/isa/sound/dev_table.c:31: ../../i386/isa/sound/local.h:80: awe.h: No such file or directory Which was caused by Jordan's commit: Break my own rule again - I didn't think this stuff was going to come back with the copyright stuff fixed so soon (this should be merged into 2.2 when you have a chance, Poul). which was apparently broken and then propogated to the RELENG_2_2 branch. :( -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 20:11:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19329 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19301 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08022; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:10:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Nate Williams cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2 In-Reply-To: <199611220030.RAA13258@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me > know. I see now, part of Jordan's awe commit to -current included file.i386 but that one piece was not brought forward to RELENG_2_2 while the rest of the commit was. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 20:20:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19902 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19890 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA22000; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:19:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: "Jasper O'Malley" cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xanim 2.70.6.3 on 2.2-961014-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Jasper O'Malley wrote: > > Anyone else having problems running Xanim on current? This is what I get: > > % xanim foo.mov > XAnim Rev 2.70.6.3 by Mark Podlipec (c) 1991-1996 > Bad system call (core dumped) > > The core image is rather useless, and I've already recompiled. Any ideas? Enable shared memory in your kernel -- XAnim started working for me after I enabled the shmem stuff to get GIMP working. I also moved to the 2.2-ALPHA at the same time, but I'm pretty sure it's shared memory from the sounds of the "Bad system call" message. I think there's also a way to turn of XAnims use of shared memory with a flag.. Hope that helps, -Mark > > Cheers, > Mick > > The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webspan.net > System Administrator ringring:9088861994x419 > Webspan, Inc. woowoo:http://www.webspan.net/~jooji > itakefullandsoleresponsibilityforthatmuckuptherenomatterhowstupiditsounds > > From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 20:27:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20364 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20341; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.7.6/8.7.3) id GAA03882; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:27:13 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199611220427.GAA03882@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken In-Reply-To: <199611212312.AAA23174@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Nov 22, 96 00:12:52 am" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:27:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jhs@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL24 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > (Why the heck did you move this to -current?!) > > As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ? > > Nope. Think about it, it's impossible. Once cvs-cur.XXXX didn't > apply, no other subsequent delta will apply. > But you can send a second (fixed) one with the same number and on most systems it will just overwrite the previous one and everything will be working. :-) :-) (Not that I'm suggesting that it be done.) John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 20:38:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20894 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA20535; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA22316; Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:22:07 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA11956; Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:22:05 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id NAA18594; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:24:52 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Ron Bolin Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, sos@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:00:49 EST." <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <3294540F.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611211820.LAA11348@rocky.mt.sri.com> <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:24:45 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I am currently working on the `psm' driver and the `kbdio' module for the `syscons' and the `psm' drivers. >> > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I >> > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at >> > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot. Have you, by any chance, set the XT_KEYBD flag during UserConfig or in your config file? >I have noticed that with 1.89 syscons.c I can take my P6 200 down >to 10% idle (top 3.4) by just moving an rxvt term with the PS/2 mouse. >The older >driver did not do that as far as I know. Anyone else with a PS/2 mouse >or seiral mouse for that mater notice this? This may have something to do with the report rate of the PS/2 mouse. The new `psm' driver explicitly sets the report rate to 100 reports/sec. (This doesn't necessarily mean the mouse will generate 100 interrupts per sec. It is quiet while no movement is detected.) I thought 100 is acceptable value, because the older driver DID have code to set the report rate this way. But the code was commented out. I guess that that part of the driver didn't work because it sent a wrong sequence of command and data to the mouse. I thought "OK, 100 was the value originally intended; I shall make it work..." If 100 reports/sec is too high, we can try: 1. Lower rate But, some PS/2 mouse cannot change the rate to anything less than 100. Some of my PS/2 mouses certainly cannot. 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?). (I also remember seeing a document stating 100 is the default after reset, and thinking it wouldn't do any harm explicitly setting the value. But, I don't remember which doc it was.) Kazu From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 21:04:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA22310 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22298; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA14567; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:04:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:04:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611220504.WAA14567@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: Ron Bolin , nate@mt.sri.com, sos@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <3294540F.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611211820.LAA11348@rocky.mt.sri.com> <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am currently working on the `psm' driver and the `kbdio' module for > the `syscons' and the `psm' drivers. And a mighty fine job I might add. :) > >> > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I > >> > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at > >> > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot. > > Have you, by any chance, set the XT_KEYBD flag during UserConfig or > in your config file? I'm using it w/out any problems on one of my test boxes. > 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default > Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?). Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the problem? Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 21:07:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA22531 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22496 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA14576; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:07:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:07:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611220507.WAA14576@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: John Fieber Cc: Nate Williams , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2 In-Reply-To: References: <199611220030.RAA13258@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me > > know. > > I see now, part of Jordan's awe commit to -current included > file.i386 but that one piece was not brought forward to > RELENG_2_2 while the rest of the commit was. That as well as some changes to i386/include/soundcard.h Both are now part of RELENG_2_2, and should have been picked up by your cvsup update. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 21:47:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25796 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.guru.org (kmitch@unix.guru.org [198.82.200.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25781 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kmitch@localhost) by unix.guru.org (8.8.2/8.7.3) id AAA00529; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:47:10 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Mitchell Message-Id: <199611220547.AAA00529@unix.guru.org> Subject: Re: More Problems (SCSI?) and -current In-Reply-To: <199611211634.IAA02871@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Nov 21, 96 08:34:51 am" To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:47:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Justin, > > > >I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system. > >This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB > >pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current > > Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night. This fixed this problem, but I still get errors with TAGGED QUEUING and SCB PAGING turned on.. This last time it was timeout while idle errors. I believe if I turn TAGGED QUEUEING off it works. Will let you know if anything changes. The only time I get this to occur (regularly) is during the amanda backup. My machine acts as the backup server for 4 other machines. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 21:48:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25885 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25823; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA28422; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:47:52 +1000 Received: by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) id PAA00959; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:51:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:51:30 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199611220551.PAA00959@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: >> There is an unfortunate error on delta 2716. >IE when people blow away their local cvs tree & try to rebuild, >will this (example) be sufficient : >(A) > ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz > ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]* > ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-9]* >Hoping (A) is sufficient :-) Regenerating the deltas is pretty much impossible, since most people have managed to get past the problem. However, I have faked up a CTM delta that can be inserted between 2715 and 2716 to fix the problem for those people (like me) who were missing CVSROOT/val-tags, and might want to start over from scratch (due to bad disks or sudden finger trouble). I call it 'cvs-cur.2716+val-tags.hack' so that it sorts between cvs-cur.2715.gz and cvs-cur.2716.gz. Any similar sorting name will do. Voila! Your (A) scenario is fulfilled. --snip-- CTM_BEGIN 2.0 cvs-cur 2716 19961118210000Z . CTMFM CVSROOT/val-tags 633 552 664 8f1e5fc47ec0d2efa49234192d1cf9c9 52 RELENG_2_1_0 y HEAD y JULIAN_HACK y SCSI y ALLMAN y CTM_END 4da2de1d94fa81145a224934bec69d49 --snip-- Stephen. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA29819 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.planet.co.at (jupiter.planet.co.at [193.170.249.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA29766 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (safeconcept.utimaco.co.at [193.170.249.226]) by jupiter.planet.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA11046; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:10:52 +0100 Received: from christian (christian.utimaco.co.at [10.0.0.39]) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00460; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <329550A9.1B0@utimaco.co.at> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:05:13 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Organization: Utimaco Safe-Concept X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Evans CC: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrom boot? References: <199611211917.GAA25686@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: > > >So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in > >the inline assembler? > > Only for 0 <= x <= 4. OK, that's enough! > > >Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)? > > No. Just use the simple version of printf in the standard bootstrap, and > DOS calls for file descriptor i/o and BIOS calls for console i/o. > > Bruce I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which converts ANSI-C to K&R? Thanks, Christian. -- Christian Gusenbauer Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:17:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00189 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00182; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA08085; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:18:20 +0100 (MET) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:14:10 +0100." <199611202214.XAA00660@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:18:19 +0100 Message-ID: <8083.848647099@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Julian, If you had subscribed to "ctm-announce" like you should have if you receive ctm deltas from the freebsd project, you would have know this already. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:31:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00817 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00808; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA08306; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:31:39 +0100 (MET) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:14:10 +0100." <199611202214.XAA00660@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:31:38 +0100 Message-ID: <8304.848647898@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >or will this be necessary: >(B) yes it may be necessary. I havn't tried. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:34:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01037 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00981; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA08356; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:34:19 +0100 (MET) To: Nate Williams cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users), kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies), doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:58:28 MST." <199611212258.PAA12510@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:34:18 +0100 Message-ID: <8354.848648058@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611212258.PAA12510@rocky.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: >> >> Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER. >> >> If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me >> again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk. > >Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin* Please not "FORMAT", use something more specific, "PRINTER_FORMAT" for instance. Ohh, and yes, please do it now :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:42:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01606 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01601 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id SAA15958; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:31:37 +1100 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:31:37 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have >only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which >converts ANSI-C to K&R? Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-). Then you can copy it for more than half the code. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Thu Nov 21 23:52:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02822 for current-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02804 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA06798; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:51:44 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA17208; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:51:43 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id IAA26406; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:45:00 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611220745.IAA26406@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:45:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from Kazutaka YOKOTA at "Nov 22, 96 01:24:45 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > If 100 reports/sec is too high, we can try: > 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default > Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?). I think that's the best. Van Gilluwe explicitly mentions that setting the mouse sample rate is only supported on some systems. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:14:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04652 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04635 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.6/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA00874 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:14:10 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611220814.JAA00874@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: current@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: charnier@xp11.frmug.org Subject: syslogd error on /dev/console Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:14:07 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always report messages from su. reverting to previous version of syslogd solved the problem. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:24:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05368 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA05300 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA07974; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:22:00 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA17461; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:21:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id IAA26667; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:55:56 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611220755.IAA26667@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:55:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at (DI. Christian Gusenbauer) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <329550A9.1B0@utimaco.co.at> from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at "Nov 22, 96 08:05:13 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the > version I have only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Yes, it is. > Is there any converter available which converts ANSI-C to K&R? unprotoize. It's part of the gcc distribution. j@uriah 276% cat > foo.c #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf("Hello world!\n"); return 0; } ^D j@uriah 277% unprotoize foo.c unprotoize: compiling `foo.c' unprotoize: converting file `foo.c' j@uriah 278% cat foo.c #include int main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { printf("Hello world!\n"); return 0; } -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:29:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05704 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05689 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA21057; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:29:10 -0800 (PST) To: John Fieber cc: Nate Williams , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:58:22 EST." Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:29:10 -0800 Message-ID: <21055.848651350@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This probably just requires awe.h to be tagged into 2.2 - I'll bet that phk got the diffs but forgot the new files. My connection here is too painful to do it, so either of you may feel free or I will do it when I get back on Sunday. Jordan > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > > > In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the > > sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while > > trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in > > it), and it failed to compile. > > > > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me > > know. > > I just cvsupped RELENG_2_2 (kernel) and... > > In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h:31, > from ../../i386/isa/sound/dev_table.c:31: > ../../i386/isa/sound/local.h:80: awe.h: No such file or directory > > Which was caused by Jordan's commit: > > Break my own rule again - I didn't think this stuff was going to come back > with the copyright stuff fixed so soon (this should be merged into 2.2 when > you have a chance, Poul). > > which was apparently broken and then propogated to the RELENG_2_2 branch. :( > > -john > > == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== > == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ > > From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:33:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05911 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05904; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:33:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611220833.AAA05904@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Keith Mitchell cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More Problems (SCSI?) and -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:47:10 EST." <199611220547.AAA00529@unix.guru.org> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:33:06 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night. > >This fixed this problem, but I still get errors with TAGGED QUEUING and >SCB PAGING turned on.. This last time it was timeout while idle errors. >I believe if I turn TAGGED QUEUEING off it works. Will let you know if >anything changes. > >The only time I get this to occur (regularly) is during the amanda backup. My >machine acts as the backup server for 4 other machines. Sup again and let me know if tonights changes make any difference. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:50:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06650 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06643; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA23304; Fri, 22 Nov 96 17:49:22 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA13328; Fri, 22 Nov 96 17:49:21 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id RAA24230; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:52:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611220852.RAA24230@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Ron Bolin Cc: Nate Williams , sos@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:04:15 MST." <199611220504.WAA14567@rocky.mt.sri.com> References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <3294540F.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611211820.LAA11348@rocky.mt.sri.com> <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> <199611220504.WAA14567@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:52:04 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default >> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?). > >Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the >problem? > > > >Nate Here is a patch to `psm.c'. Report rate and counter resolution are both left as default. In terms of report rate and counter resolution, the driver now works as the previous `psm' driver. --- psm.c-1.29 Fri Nov 22 17:36:15 1996 +++ psm.c Fri Nov 22 17:37:19 1996 @@ -582,7 +582,7 @@ sc->hw.buttons = get_mouse_buttons(ioport); /* set mouse parameters */ - +#if 0 /* FIXME:XXX I don't know if these parameters are reasonable */ /* FIXME:XXX should we set them in `psmattach()' rather than here? */ sc->mode.rate = set_mouse_sampling_rate(ioport, PSMD_DEFAULT_RATE); @@ -590,6 +590,10 @@ set_mouse_resolution(ioport, PSMD_DEFAULT_RESOLUTION); set_mouse_scaling(ioport); /* 1:1 scaling */ set_mouse_mode(ioport); /* stream mode */ +#else + sc->mode.rate = -1; + sc->mode.resolution = -1; +#endif /* just check the status of the mouse */ if (verbose) { From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 00:53:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06739 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06732 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04654 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:53:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: current@freebsd.org Subject: AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEe redux. Problem found, but solution? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, through the process of 8 kazillion kernel builds, I've narrowed it down to the following kernel config line: #options "NMBCLUSTERS='4096'" Uncomment that baby, and kaboom. Comment it out, and it boots fine. For whatever reason, that line is in my BSD/OS box, I just don't recall why. And since I'm migrating one of my last couple of holdouts of BSD/OS to FreeBSD, most of the config's got copied across. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 01:10:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07690 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.128.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07634 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by nasu.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940302) id AA23434; Fri, 22 Nov 96 18:09:36 +0900 Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (5.57/ULTRIX-940909) id AA13494; Fri, 22 Nov 96 18:09:35 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zenith.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.33.60]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id SAA24659; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611220912.SAA24659@zodiac.mech.utsunFrom owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 03:24:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA13742 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13732 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id VAA18895; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:54:25 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611221124.VAA18895@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEe redux. Problem found, but solution? In-Reply-To: from Jaye Mathisen at "Nov 22, 96 00:53:09 am" To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:54:24 +1030 (CST) Cc: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jaye Mathisen stands accused of saying: > > > OK, through the process of 8 kazillion kernel builds, I've narrowed it > down to the following kernel config line: > > #options "NMBCLUSTERS='4096'" I would suggest removing the quotes. lovely:/sys/compile/LOVELY>grep NMBCLUSTERS *.[ch] param.c:#ifndef NMBCLUSTERS param.c:#define NMBCLUSTERS (512 + MAXUSERS * 16) param.c:int nmbclusters = NMBCLUSTERS; param.c:int nmbufs = NMBCLUSTERS * (MCLBYTES / MSIZE); ... lovely:/tmp>cat foo.c #include void main(void) { int foo = '4096'; printf("foo is %d\n",foo); } lovely:/tmp>gcc -o foo foo.c foo.c: In function `main': foo.c:5: warning: multi-character character constant lovely:/tmp>./foo foo is 875575606 No idea how your BSD/OS box dealt with that... -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 05:01:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA17928 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 05:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA17662 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-43.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA27994 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:53:46 +0100 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.3/8.6.9) id NAA07064; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:53:41 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199611221253.NAA07064@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:53:40 +0100 From: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser) To: thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT References: <3292F70B.41C67EA6@satech.net.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.49-PL10 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3292F70B.41C67EA6@satech.net.au>; from Matthew Thyer on Nov 20, 1996 23:18:20 +1100 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 20, thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) wrote: > - Fix PCI bus probing > - The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my > PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my > SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put > into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS ! PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem. Please send more details about your system (chip set, peripherals, ...). The most important information is the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the "/var/log/messages" file ...) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 06:58:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA22135 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from central.picker.com (central.picker.com [144.54.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA22130 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0vQwvY-0004s3C; Fri, 22 Nov 96 09:50 EST Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18790; Fri, 22 Nov 96 09:47:27 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA29668; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:46:51 -0500 From: rhh@ct.picker.com (Randall Hopper) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: AWE32/SB32 driver ports uploaded X-Mailer: Mutt 0.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For those that'd like to try out the new AWE driver in 2.2 and -current, I uploaded these ports to ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming last night: awemidi.tar.gz awesfx.tar.gz gmod-awe.tar.gz playmidi-awe.tar.gz Ignore awedrv-0.1.6-port.tgz (also in incoming) -- it's an old driver port that needs deleted. Randall From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 07:30:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA23830 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23823 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0vQxLO-0000fl-00; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:16:42 -0700 To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Cc: Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at, Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:31:37 +1100." <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> References: <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:16:42 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Bruce Evans writes: : >I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have : >only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which : >converts ANSI-C to K&R? : : Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-). : Then you can copy it for more than half the code. Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? Or are there things other than the prototypes that are new to Ansi-C that will trip you up? Warner From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 08:20:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26592 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26583 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00325 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: current@freebsd.org Subject: broken userconfig in RELENG_2_2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just built a RELENG_2_2 kernel and discovered that after booting with -c (user config), keyboard input is broken (typing generates garbage). I'm beginning to agree with Nate's observation that apparently nobody is actually using the RELENG_2_2 branch.... Kernel config below. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" ident FALLOUT maxusers 15 options CHILD_MAX=128 options OPEN_MAX=128 options "COMPAT_43" options USER_LDT options SYSVSHM #SYSV shared memory options SYSVSEM #SYSV semaphores options SYSVMSG #SYSV messages options KTRACE #Kernel syscall tracing options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options INET #InterNETworking options NETATALK #AppleTalk options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options DEVFS config kernel root on sd0 # ISA Bus controller isa0 options "AUTO_EOI_1" options "AUTO_EOI_2" options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers # PCI Bus controller pci0 # Floppy disk controller controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # SCSI Controller and devices controller ncr0 controller scbus0 at ncr0 device sd0 device st0 device cd0 options SCSI_DELAY=5 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device # Syscons console driver (SCO compatible) device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Math processor device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # Serial ports device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr # Parallel ports device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr # Ethernet device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr # Sound card controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 10 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 6 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x300 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 # Pseudo devices pseudo-device loop # loopback device pseudo-device ether # core ethernet code pseudo-device log # system logging pseudo-device pty 32 # pseudo terminals pseudo-device speaker # PC speaker interface pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn # vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device bpfilter 4 # Berkeley packet filter device From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 08:28:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26920 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.22.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26911 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunbaked.gsfc743 by sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id LAA01992; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:27:48 -0500 Received: by sunbaked.gsfc743 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09354; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:28:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:28:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199611221628.LAA09354@sunbaked.gsfc743> From: Tim Singletary To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with 2.2-alpha In-Reply-To: <199611220036.RAA13294@rocky.mt.sri.com> References: <199611212351.SAA08669@sunbaked.gsfc743> <199611220036.RAA13294@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are > partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also > causing other problems which are being worked on. Is there anything I can do to help out? Since the problem shows up pretty easily on my system, I might be useful as a test site. Or, if someone can aim me in the right direction, I don't mind digging through source code! tim From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 08:43:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27818 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27810 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17172; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:43:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:43:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611221643.JAA17172@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Tim Singletary Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with 2.2-alpha In-Reply-To: <199611221628.LAA09354@sunbaked.gsfc743> References: <199611212351.SAA08669@sunbaked.gsfc743> <199611220036.RAA13294@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199611221628.LAA09354@sunbaked.gsfc743> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are > > partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also > > causing other problems which are being worked on. > > Is there anything I can do to help out? Since the problem shows up > pretty easily on my system, I might be useful as a test site. Or, if > someone can aim me in the right direction, I don't mind digging > through source code! Talk to S'ren or Poul, I'm outta the picture w/regard to 2.2. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 08:43:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27856 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27851 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17174; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:43:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:43:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611221643.JAA17174@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: John Fieber Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken userconfig in RELENG_2_2? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just built a RELENG_2_2 kernel and discovered that after > booting with -c (user config), keyboard input is broken (typing > generates garbage). Known problem, and S'ren is now working on it. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 09:04:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29675 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.guru.org (kmitch@unix.guru.org [198.82.200.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29653 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kmitch@localhost) by unix.guru.org (8.8.2/8.7.3) id MAA14877 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:04:11 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Mitchell Message-Id: <199611221704.MAA14877@unix.guru.org> Subject: Re: More Problems (SCSI?) and -current In-Reply-To: <199611220833.AAA05904@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Nov 22, 96 00:33:06 am" To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:02:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: currentr@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sup again and let me know if tonights changes make any difference. Well, I haven't had a chance to try the backup yet, but I am receiving the following errors while trying to do a make world: Nov 22 10:33:23 unix /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error Nov 22 10:33:23 unix /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 14399 failure Nov 22 11:59:21 unix /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error Nov 22 11:59:21 unix /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 14775 failure All of the errors SEEM to be occuring on ONE drive (the FAST WIDE 7200RPM one) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 10:08:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07321 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule0.mindspring.com (mule0.mindspring.com [204.180.128.166]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07316 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlb.users.mindspring.com (user-168-121-25-139.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.25.139]) by mule0.mindspring.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23974; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:08:17 GMT Message-ID: <3295EC2E.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:08:46 -0500 From: Ron Bolin X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, nate@mt.sri.com Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me References: <9611200134.AA09530@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> <199611200534.WAA04055@rocky.mt.sri.com> <3294540F.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611211820.LAA11348@rocky.mt.sri.com> <32950951.41C67EA6@mindspring.com> <199611220424.NAA18594@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> <199611220504.WAA14567@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199611220852.RAA24230@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > > >> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default > >> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?). > > > >Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the > >problem? > > > > > > > >Nate > > Here is a patch to `psm.c'. Report rate and counter resolution are > both left as default. In terms of report rate and counter resolution, > the driver now works as the previous `psm' driver. Kazutaka Well I tried it (the patch). The mouse now moves very slowly (accelleration rate). I set xset m for an adjustment but did not like the responses (jerky). The non-patched version is more responsive and gives better linear accelleration than the patched version. I can still take the machine down to below 10% idle by just moving the mouse rapidly while grabing an xterm window bar. I still have the same problem of not being able to login if I use the "-c" boot option. Ron -- **************************************************************************** Ron Bolin rlb@mindspring.com, http://www.mindspring.com/~rlb/ GSU: gs01rlb@panther.gsu.edu matrlbx@indigo4.cs.gsu.edu Home: 770-992-8877 **************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 11:19:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11365 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11356 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA15346; Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:18:18 -0600 Received: from fergus-27.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA11994; Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:18:08 -0600 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.8.3/8.7.3) id NAA05605; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:17:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:17:50 -0600 (CST) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199611221917.NAA05605@compound.Think.COM> To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP? Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth J. Wunsch on Tue, 19 November: : As Ralf Luettgen wrote: : : > Wich Release will contain SMP? : : 3.0 : Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule for that one? ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 11:37:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12483 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12452 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) id OAA01716; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:35:18 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199611221935.OAA01716@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: SMP? To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:35:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: j@uriah.heep.sax.de, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611221917.NAA05605@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at Nov 22, 96 01:17:50 pm Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Quoth J. Wunsch on Tue, 19 November: > : As Ralf Luettgen wrote: > : > : > Wich Release will contain SMP? > : > : 3.0 > : > > Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule > for that one? ;-) > I have been talking to them, and if they want, most of my work for 3.0 can be directed towards things that will enable/help the SMP guys get their stuff in. I'll drop any LFS/VFS layer/VM or anything else to help... Considering the progress that they are making and how important SMP is, IMO, nothing should be allowed to get in their way... I think that they are on a winning track... John dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 11:52:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13559 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13533 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nike.efn.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA16365 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: jmg@nike Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: FreeBSD Current Subject: 1957 bug report.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I submitted this... and I haven't seen a response on a fix being commited for it... the fix is really basic and probably should be added to prevent large servers from having problems on reboot... basicly the current /etc/rc doesn't reset the permissions on ALL possibly pty's... I just mention this as 2.2 is close around the conner... thanks for taking the time to read this message... ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 13:21:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18307 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18297 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA15974; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:06:34 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611222106.OAA15974@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:06:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at, Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 22, 96 06:31:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the > >version I have only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there > >any converter available which converts ANSI-C to K&R? > > Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-). > Then you can copy it for more than half the code. Thank you, gentlemen; you have provided me with the first irrefutable example of why prototypes should be conditional in all cases. For non-ANSI compilers, people generating new code should continue to use cdefs.h. If you have need of cdefs.h varradic declaration macros... I have them. Let me know. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 13:29:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18760 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18738 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA15993; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:15:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611222115.OAA15993@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:15:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at, Christian.Gusenbauer@safeconcept.utimaco.co.at, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Warner Losh" at Nov 22, 96 08:16:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? Or are > there things other than the prototypes that are new to Ansi-C that > will trip you up? I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward ANSI code, not away. Depending on the compiler and the code, you may see problems with const, volatile, and structure assignments. There are also problems with agregate initialization of structure arrays (it works in K&R using "{" based scoping, but fails in GCC). Going *to* ANSI, you will see problems with the optimizer assuming that it can promote things to register if they are not marked volatile; this is a real problem for things like signal handlers which set state (any external reference in a signal handler is, by definition, a volatile reference; silly to have to explicitly mark each datum, isn't it.. ;-)). Actually, you're probably in a better position to documnet FreeBSD dependencies on semantics than I am, since you're the BCC user... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 15:30:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26765 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26730 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA09557 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:29:26 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA01670 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:29:25 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id XAA28905 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:56:55 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611222256.XAA28905@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SMP? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:56:55 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611221917.NAA05605@compound.Think.COM> from Tony Kimball at "Nov 22, 96 01:17:50 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Tony Kimball wrote: > : > Wich Release will contain SMP? > : > : 3.0 > Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule > for that one? ;-) Well, you didn't notice we're already in ``3.0-current'' these days. We are. (SMP being the main reason for the major # bump.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 15:30:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26800 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26738 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA09574 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:29:34 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA01678 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:29:34 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id AAA29000 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:11:37 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611222311.AAA29000@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:11:37 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611222115.OAA15993@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 22, 96 02:15:07 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? > I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an > unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward > ANSI code, not away. Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days, Terry? :-)) protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C notation. > Depending on the compiler and the code, you may see problems with > const, volatile, and structure assignments. There are also problems > with agregate initialization of structure arrays (it works in K&R using > "{" based scoping, but fails in GCC). You forgot the split strings. Something like char foo[] = "This should \x1b" "creset your ANSI terminal.\n"; ...which couldn't be expressed unambiguously in pre-ANSI C. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 16:44:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00389 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00384 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA16302; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:29:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199611230029.RAA16302@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:29:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199611222311.AAA29000@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 23, 96 00:11:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? > > > I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an > > unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward > > ANSI code, not away. > > Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days, > Terry? :-)) > > protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc > distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special > shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C > notation. Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)? % man 1 unprotoize No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 17:18:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01738 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pat.idt.unit.no (pat.idt.unit.no [129.241.103.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01733 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from idt.unit.no (vier.idt.unit.no [129.241.104.3]) by pat.idt.unit.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23053; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:14:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611230114.CAA23053@pat.idt.unit.no> To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:29:51 MST." <199611230029.RAA16302@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:14:45 +0100 From: "Arne H. Juul" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 22 Nov 17:29, Terry Lambert writes: > Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)? > > % man 1 unprotoize > No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual This tells you nothing. $ ls /usr/src/contrib/gcc/*proto* [...and other files...] /usr/src/contrib/gcc/protoize.c /usr/src/contrib/gcc/unprotoize.c Documentation is in texinfo format, as should be expected. In a standard gcc install, you would get the unprotoize program. The fact that FreeBSD does not should be counted as a bug. - Arne H. J. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 17:36:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02223 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02216 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12533 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:36:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199611230136.SAA12533@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: current@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:36:13 -0700 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >> : > Wich Release will contain SMP? >> : >> : 3.0 hopefully... --- >> Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule >> for that one? ;-) > >Well, you didn't notice we're already in ``3.0-current'' these days. > >We are. (SMP being the main reason for the major # bump.) not quite true (unless nobody bothered to tell me). -current is in SMP as of 11/21, but a separate cvs tree is kept, ie you wont find any of SMP in /home/ncvs. There is a web page for tracking the project: http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 18:26:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04319 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (root@ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04313 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sUnix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA20889 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:25:28 -0600 Message-ID: <329661FA.40CC0265@mexcom.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:31:22 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mexico Communicates, S.C. MexCom.Net, S.A. de C.V. Re-ingeniería, diseño, creación e integración total al Internet. Full Service Internet Systems Integrators and Outsourcers. Edwin Culp mailto:eculp@mexcom.net HTTP://WWW.MEXCOM.NET _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 18:51:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05118 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05108 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02970 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:46:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA00101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:46:10 -0500 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: -current (bios)boot[12] needed... Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:46:09 -0400 Message-Id: <99.848717169@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Justin's on vacation, and he mentioned the problem I'm having where I can't boot 2.1.5 from an AHA2940 is because of a bug in earlier (pre-current) versions of biosboot (it apparently doesn't save a register that BIOS clobbers, which causes a termination problem). Anyway, if somebody could point me at a (compiled) version of boot1 and boot2 that work with the AHA2940 I'd really appreciate it. Thanks... H From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 19:05:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA05576 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05571 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.3/8.7.3) id DAA01233; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:07:39 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:07:39 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199611230307.DAA01233@veda.is> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? Newsgroups: list.freebsd.current References: <9611201540.AA19352@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199611201559.QAA16618@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is >> history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre >> half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references >> that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase >> ``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match. >At least, this breaks the tradition (not only of FreeBSD). Except >IBM's AIX (which uses NFT == Norway-France-Time :), every other Unix >around calls it MET now. I think the official translation for this >was ``Mediterranean Time''. This might look a little senseless, too, >but it's IMHO a bad move to break with a traditional name once people >are used to it. >I vote for keeping the previous name. It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility? CET does make better sense though as the standard name. -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 20:22:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08067 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08059; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.2/8.8.2) id PAA03075; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:22:18 +1100 (EST) From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199611230422.PAA03075@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT In-Reply-To: <199611221253.NAA07064@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Nov 22, 96 01:53:40 pm" To: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:22:18 +1100 (EST) Cc: thyerm@satech.net.au, current@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Nov 20, thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) wrote: >> - Fix PCI bus probing >> - The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my >> PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my >> SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put >> into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS ! > >PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem. >Please send more details about your system (chip set, >peripherals, ...). The most important information is >the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send >me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the >"/var/log/messages" file ...) The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines. David From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 21:45:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10942 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10934 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nike.efn.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA17750 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:03:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: jmg@nike Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: FreeBSD Current Subject: my fsck patch (revision 1.4 of src/sbin/fsck/preen.c) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just relized that there is a time that this will fail to operate like it was suppose to... say you have a /etc/fstab like: /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2 /dev/cd2a /usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 but the cdrom was a ufs file system.... you boot single user mode and try: fsck /usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 fsck won't resolve it because the patch expects it to return a directory... most chances are you won't have a /usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 on your /... it's probably in /usr... (I know this may be bas fs design but it's possible)... so I was thinking something like this patch: Index: preen.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sbin/fsck/preen.c,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.5 preen.c *** preen.c 1996/10/27 18:28:39 1.5 --- preen.c 1996/11/23 02:58:07 *************** *** 304,312 **** } retry: if (stat(name, &stblock) < 0) { ! perror(name); ! printf("Can't stat %s\n", name); ! return (0); } if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFBLK) { if (stslash.st_dev == stblock.st_rdev) --- 304,310 ---- } retry: if (stat(name, &stblock) < 0) { ! goto trydir; } if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFBLK) { if (stslash.st_dev == stblock.st_rdev) *************** *** 328,333 **** --- 326,332 ---- retried++; goto retry; } else if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFDIR && !retried) { + trydir: l = strlen(name) - 1; if (l > 0 && name[l] == '/') /* remove trailing slash */ the other way would be to duplicate the code (which I would prefere)... I detest goto :)... but there is already goto used in this function... so I'm not as leary about using it... thanks for your ideas... ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 23:12:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA13096 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13091; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16140(5)>; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:16 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177557>; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:07 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Message-Id: <96Nov22.231207pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:07 PST Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I finally got my replacement Medalist 1080sl from Seagate, so I decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first thing the install said to me was that the value of 4839 cylinders, 109 sectors/track was ridiculous and that it was setting it to 64/32. Er, ok, whatever. When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get: dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4 Invalid format! Then, even if I tried to boot from the boot floppy by saying fd(0,a), it would say dosdev = 0, biosdrive = 0, unit = 0, maj = 2 Invalid format! But if I rebooted, and just let the floppy time out, it would say dosdev = 0, biosdrive = 0, unit = 0, maj = 2 but work just fine. Ok, so I unplugged the flaky drive from the SCSI bus, so that the new drive is now the second SCSI disk; maybe it was having trouble with loading stuff off of the third disk. Now I get the dreaded: Error: C 2000>1023 (bios limit) error. I booted the fixit floppy, checked the disklabel, and discovered that the installer had written a disklabel with 1 sector per track, 1 track per cylinder, 1 sector per cylinder, and 2000000+ cylinders. I got the proper data for my disk from the Seagate web page and edited it into the disklabel. The bootstrap still complains that C 2000>1023, even though disklabel -r /dev/sd1c shows that the a partition goes from cylinder 0 to 150. This is a problem that I occasionally had with the old bootloader, and everyone told me that it couldn't be happening. The problem always went away if I built a new kernel and reinstalled it. Perhaps that's what I'll try next in the fixit disk environment. Does anyone have any other suggestions on how to get this to boot? Thanks, Bill From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 23:46:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14085 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14080 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16151(2)>; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:45:48 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177557>; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:45:40 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Message-Id: <96Nov22.234540pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:45:25 PST Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk from the fixit floppy, and sure enough, it said 2 million tracks, 1 head, 1 sector per track. So I tried to edit it, and experienced some awfully confusing fdisk behavior. I entered 109 sector/track, 4 heads, 4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like 735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the end should be at least 1023/... In any case, after writing the partition table twice (the first time, for some reason, when I re-checked it it was back to 1/1.), I was able to boot my new drive (yay!). However, fdisk now says: ******* Working on device /dev/sd2 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=58606 heads=1 sectors/track=36 (36 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=58606 heads=1 sectors/track=36 (36 blks/cyl) Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 0 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 0, size 2109840 (1030 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 743/ sector 36/ head 0 The data for partition 1 is: The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: This is nothing like what I told it, but since it appears to work I'm not going to worry about it for now, unless someone tells me that it's something to worry about. This whole thing is a total mess. Bill From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 23:57:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14295 for current-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14281; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA25186; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:57:13 -0800 (PST) To: Bill Fenner cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:12:07 PST." <96Nov22.231207pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:57:13 -0800 Message-ID: <25184.848735833@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel > or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get: > > dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4 > Invalid format! FWIW, I get the same thing on my spam box when I don't choose the dangerously dedicated option. A slightly different failure mode, to be sure, but this did _not_ used to happen, either. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 00:09:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14588 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (grackle.grondar.za [196.7.18.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14583 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grackle.grondar.za (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24858; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:09:03 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199611230809.KAA24858@grackle.grondar.za> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Subject: Re: cdrom boot? Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:09:02 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? > > > I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an > > unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward > > ANSI code, not away. > > Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days, > Terry? :-)) > > protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc > distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special > shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C > notation. Take a look in /usr/src/contrim/gcc: protoize.c unprotoize.c Here is unprotoize.c (in full): --------------cut here------------------ #include "protoize.c" --------------cut here------------------ M -- Mark Murray PGP key fingerprint = 80 36 6E 40 83 D6 8A 36 This .sig is umop ap!sdn. BC 06 EA 0E 7A F2 CE CE From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 00:42:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16132 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16127 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA11424 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:43:35 +0100 (MET) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: have you tested... Reply-to: phk@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: <11422.848738614@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ...any of the following recent changes, please let me know why you think it should/shoudn't be in 2.2 as well: libftpio changes routed changes ifconfig changes pci.c changes kernel buffer allocation changes Thanks in advance. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 01:54:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA17860 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17846 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA20554; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:53:54 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA10605; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:53:53 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id KAA02077; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:50:18 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611230950.KAA02077@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: syslogd error on /dev/console To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:50:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: charnier@xp11.frmug.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611220814.JAA00874@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from Philippe Charnier at "Nov 22, 96 09:14:07 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Philippe Charnier wrote: > Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error > in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always > report messages from su. Would you kindly post the error message, too? It's hard to guess what's happening on other people's machines. ;) xconsole works fine for me, here's the last four messages from it: Nov 22 01:15:53 uriah su: j to news on /dev/ttyp3 Nov 22 09:12:18 uriah su: j to r on /dev/ttyp6 Nov 23 00:19:38 uriah chat[29028]: SIGINT Nov 23 10:49:20 uriah su: BAD SU j to root on /dev/ttyp6 -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 02:00:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18166 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18159 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id UAA22401; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:28:44 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611230958.UAA22401@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? In-Reply-To: <199611230029.RAA16302@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 22, 96 05:29:51 pm" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:28:43 +1030 (CST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > > protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc > > distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special > > shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C > > notation. > > Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)? Probably. Unprotoize is required for bootstrapping gcc on platforms with non-ANSI C compilers; this should be obvious. > % man 1 unprotoize > No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual FreeBSD obviously doesn't need unprotoize 8) > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 02:52:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA19443 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA19422 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA21625 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:51:57 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA11537 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:51:56 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id LAA02735 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:34:10 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611231034.LAA02735@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cdrom boot? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:34:10 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611230809.KAA24858@grackle.grondar.za> from Mark Murray at "Nov 23, 96 10:09:02 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Mark Murray wrote: > Here is unprotoize.c (in full): > --------------cut here------------------ > #include "protoize.c" > --------------cut here------------------ :-) Though it's different by a -DUNPROTOIZE option (i figure from reading protoize.c). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 02:52:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA19444 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA19424 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA21629 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:51:58 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA11544 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:51:58 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id LAA02757 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:38:28 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611231038.LAA02757@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: (un)protoize (Was: cdrom boot?) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:38:28 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611230958.UAA22401@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Nov 23, 96 08:28:43 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)? > > Probably. Unprotoize is required for bootstrapping gcc on platforms with > non-ANSI C compilers; this should be obvious. I don't think so. :) It would become a chicken-and-egg problem then... protoize and unprotoize use the undocumented -aux-info switch of gcc in order to obtain the function prototype information from the compiler parser. ``An undocumented feature is a bug.'' :) (Forgot the source, though.) > > % man 1 unprotoize > > No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual > > FreeBSD obviously doesn't need unprotoize 8) ...nor have there ever been man pages for protoize and unprotoize available. If the usage information doesn't get you on the way, it's UTSLware. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 03:17:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20089 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA20082; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id VAA22545; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:47:16 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <96Nov22.231207pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from Bill Fenner at "Nov 22, 96 11:12:07 pm" To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:47:15 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Fenner stands accused of saying: > decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went > reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously > dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables > and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused by it. > Bill -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 03:22:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20230 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA20221 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA22228 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:21:57 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA12742 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:21:57 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id LAA03199 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:59:50 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611231059.LAA03199@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: -current (bios)boot[12] needed... To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:59:49 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <99.848717169@mumps.pfcs.com> from Harlan Stenn at "Nov 22, 96 09:46:09 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Harlan Stenn wrote: > Anyway, if somebody could point me at a (compiled) version of boot1 and > boot2 that work with the AHA2940 I'd really appreciate it. (sent) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 03:22:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20242 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA20227 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA22232; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:21:59 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA12744; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:21:58 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id MAA03248; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:11:58 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611231111.MAA03248@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:11:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <96Nov22.234540pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from Bill Fenner at "Nov 22, 96 11:45:25 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bill Fenner wrote: > I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk ...and that's the actual problem, of course. It's what the BIOS uses, and your 2000 > 1023 is also a BIOS problem > 4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the > partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like > 735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the > end should be at least 1023/... fdisk stupidly masks off the upper bits that are not supported by the BIOS, hence the 735. Since both figures, the 735 and the 1023 are not representing the actual end of the slice from a BIOS point of view (since it's beyond the BIOS limits), it simply doesn't matter. FreeBSD doesn't care for these numbers either. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 03:54:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21159 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua ([194.93.190.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21139; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [194.93.190.3]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA70720; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:53:15 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:53:15 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: Michael Smith cc: Bill Fenner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused > by it. Dear Michael, I can't agree with you here. I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated' fascion and it just worked. -- Best, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 04:08:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21581 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 04:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA21575; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 04:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id WAA22633; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:38:13 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611231208.WAA22633@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: from Andrew Stesin at "Nov 23, 96 01:53:15 pm" To: stesin@gu.net (Andrew Stesin) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:38:12 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Stesin stands accused of saying: > On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > > > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that > > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' > > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused > > by it. > > I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one > is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box > with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated' > fascion and it just worked. *shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed, which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match. I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed; I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and been bitten. > Andrew Stesin > > nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE > > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 04:20:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA22383 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 04:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22378; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 04:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA11723; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:21:15 +0100 (MET) To: Michael Smith cc: stesin@gu.net (Andrew Stesin), fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:38:12 +1030." <199611231208.WAA22633@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:21:14 +0100 Message-ID: <11721.848751674@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >*shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed, >which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads >the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match. > >I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed; >I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've >certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and >been bitten. Hmm, we could try to write the fake MBR so it represents some sane geometry in that particular case. That would help i guess. Somebody with an NCR will have to do it though. I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 05:02:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA23829 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA23821; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-42.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA06797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:02:36 +0100 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.3/8.6.9) id OAA17983; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:01:51 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199611231301.OAA17983@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:00:30 +0100 From: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser) To: dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Cc: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser), thyerm@satech.net.au, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT References: <199611221253.NAA07064@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> <199611230422.PAA03075@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.49-PL10 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199611230422.PAA03075@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au>; from David Dawes on Nov 23, 1996 15:22:18 +1100 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem. > >Please send more details about your system (chip set, > >peripherals, ...). The most important information is > >the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send > >me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the > >"/var/log/messages" file ...) > > The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on There is PCI code in XFree86 ??? > that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some > cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is > that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines. Well, but how do you think I'm going to fix this, if I have no idea what actually fails. Send me the information I asked for (verbose boot messages and the information about the chip set, CPU and BIOS you can easily get at), and I'll make it work. The current code already deals with many chip sets that fail to conform to the PCI specs., and I've got to add specific code for each new such chip set :( Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 05:24:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA26244 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA26239 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from demel.erlangen.de ([10.10.124.176]) by cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with ESMTP id OAA10064 (8.7.6/7.5c-FAU); for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:23:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from demel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demel.erlangen.de (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09508 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:27:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611231327.OAA09508@demel.erlangen.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: /usr/bin/fetch dumps core Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:27:30 +0100 From: Christian Haan Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! fetch will dump core when run by make in /usr/ports. This only happens when the FreeBSD ports cdrom is mounted and the requested file is not available on cd. I'm running FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP with updated fetch and libftpio (4.0) -- Christian Haan - Informatik Student an der FAU Erlangen Nuernberg - Mitarbeiter der FhG Institut fuer Integrierte Schaltungen IIS Abteilung Intelligente Systeme (ILS) fuer maschinelles Sehen email: cnhaan@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de haa@iis.fhg.de From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 05:33:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA26538 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.via.nl (news.via.nl [193.78.61.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26527 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5828 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Nov 1996 10:33:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:33:12 +0100 (MET) From: frank To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: more drives in iostat? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I don't know if this is the right place but I've been wondering why there are only 4 drives showed by iostat. I've done this patch for the last few months: news# diff iostat.c iostat.backup 252c252 < for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 8; i++) { --- > for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 4; i++) { 262c262 < for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 8; i++) { --- > for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 4; i++) { I changed the number of drives from 4 to 8. Even though I only have 5 at the moment. Could this maybe be done to the original too? Every time I now update my source I have to do this again. Groetjes, Frank Ederveen From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 05:44:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA26941 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from box.satech.net.au (root@box.satech.net.au [203.0.179.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA26936 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from matte.satech.net.au (matte.satech.net.au [203.1.91.219]) by box.satech.net.au (go-away/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA25428; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:15:19 +1030 Received: from matte.satech.net.au (localhost.satech.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by matte.satech.net.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00458; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:14:18 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3296F8A8.15FB7483@satech.net.au> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:14:16 +1100 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Richard Siggs Subject: AMAZING IDE Perf increase with 32 Bit IDE tfers and multi-sector I/O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just read through the LINT file for 3.0-CURRENT again and its changed a bit... lots of stuff has gone from separate DEFINES to flags on devices... BCOPY stuff on Pentium Float device (npx) etc. But the IDE controller now has 32 Bit IDE tfers and multi-sector I/O: # The flags fields are used to enable the multi-sector I/O and # the 32BIT I/O modes. The flags may be used in either the controller # definition or in the individual disk definitions. The controller # definition is supported for the boot configuration stuff. # # Each drive has a 16 bit flags value defined: # The low 8 bits are the maximum value for the multi-sector I/O, # where 0xff defaults to the maximum that the drive can handle. # The high bit of the 16 bit flags (0x8000) allows probing for # 32 bit transfers. So I've put this in my config file: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff vector wdintr controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0x80ff80ff vector wdintr to say do 32 Bit I/O and as much multi-sector I/O as the drives can handle for both my IDE controllers. And it seems much faster in Netscape Gold 3.01 in particular probably due to faster system paging mainly ?? and/or better negotiation between reading and writing at the same time with my swap and home directory (hence my 2MB Netscape disk cache) I dont know if 2.1.5 can do it... read LINT... its worth running current on your main workstation if STABLE cant do it. I haven't had any serious problems yet... pitty it doesn't have EIDE mode 4 yet -- ======================================================================== @ Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au @ Play: thyerm@satech.net.au ======================================================================== "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 08:45:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02020 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02012 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) id LAA05408; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199611231645.LAA05408@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: AMAZING IDE Perf increase with 32 Bit IDE tfers and multi-sector I/O To: thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:45:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, rich@spirit.com.au In-Reply-To: <3296F8A8.15FB7483@satech.net.au> from "Matthew Thyer" at Nov 24, 96 00:14:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > pitty it doesn't have EIDE mode 4 yet > Many times BIOS's allow you to set the IDE mode. Or the BIOS will probe/set the mode for you. Several of the Win95 have this same limitation. (Mode 4 doesn't entail any changes except an initial set-up.) John dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 08:56:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02525 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02519; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17156; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611231656.IAA17156@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Nov 23, 96 09:47:15 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Bill Fenner stands accused of saying: > > decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went > > reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously > > dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables > > and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first > > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused > by it. Hummm... that goes contrary to what I have been doing on systems for the last 4 years using NCR controllers. You can use the dangerously dedicated mode on the NCR just fine, and I usually set the drives up this way with a 64/32 translation so that the drive can easily be moved between any of the NCR/Buslogic/Adaptec controllers since they all understand 64/32. The changed behavior in the install programs to do 1/1 translation is what is brain damaged, that causes more grief than I have ever seen, so Rod's Rule when doing a ``dangerously dedicated'' install is to always override the bios geometry with X/64/32, and turn off extended (DOS >1G) translation on adaptec and buslogic cards, the NCR deals with the translation automagically, and in conformance with the SCSI BIOS PnP Spec. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 09:53:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04421 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04416; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15219(1)>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:52:34 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177557>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:52:29 -0800 To: Michael Smith cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner), freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 96 03:17:15 PST." <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:52:18 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Nov23.095229pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write: >You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that >reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' >mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused >by it. Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true, then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated. Bill From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 09:55:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04538 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04533; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15222(1)>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:55:23 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177557>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:55:14 -0800 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Michael Smith , stesin@gu.net (Andrew Stesin), fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 96 04:21:14 PST." <11721.848751674@critter.tfs.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:55:07 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Nov23.095514pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <11721.848751674@critter.tfs.com> you write: >I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot >floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu. Well, after using fdisk a couple of times from the fixit floppy, I *did* get it to boot and it does seem to be ok (so far...). Presumably you could do the same from the boot floppy, I just wasn't thinking that straight at the time... ("aieeeeee! Why won't it boot!?!?!" =) Bill From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 10:33:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07015 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07010 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA04161; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:32:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:32:44 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9611231832.AA04161@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Adam David Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? Newsgroups: list.freebsd.current In-Reply-To: <199611230307.DAA01233@veda.is> References: <9611201540.AA19352@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199611201559.QAA16618@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199611230307.DAA01233@veda.is> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: >> I vote for keeping the previous name. > It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility? > CET does make better sense though as the standard name. That doesn't make any sense. A timezone only has a single set of abbreviations. Unless you wanted to create an alternative set of timezone data files, the only difference in which was that some European countries have a different abbreviation? Gack. So long as I'm maintaining the timezone database I want to minimize our divergence from the master source, and I am strongly opposed to changes such as you suggest which would represent a nightmare in thirty different zones. I have in my mailbox right now a 2500-line patch from Paul Eggert implementing changes on every single continent (including Antarctica!); I won't want this to become more of a hassle. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 10:48:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07506 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07501 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: StevenR362@aol.com Received: by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA19690 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:47:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:47:54 -0500 Message-ID: <961123134753_1716798136@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Alpha install problems Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A default ppp install from com2 seems to be broken out of the box. I don't know if this is because both pp0 entries in the dialog box point to sio0 or if the sio1 entries in /dev are missing. This can be worked around by setting sio0 to point to 0x2f8 irq 3 in visual config. My main problem is that once the ftp install from ftp.freebsd.org starts going and transfers a few tens or hundreds of k, the connection drops. The ppp log shows "** 1 Too many ECHO packets are lost. **" Is this a network problem to wcarchive or a rudeness on the part of my ISP? Steve From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 11:18:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08542 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08536; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.phk.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA00290; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:18:58 +0100 (MET) To: StevenR362@aol.com cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha install problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:47:54 EST." <961123134753_1716798136@emout03.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:18:58 +0100 Message-ID: <288.848776738@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <961123134753_1716798136@emout03.mail.aol.com>, StevenR362@aol.com w rites: > >A default ppp install from com2 seems to be broken out of the box. >I don't know if this is because both pp0 entries in the dialog box point to >sio0 or if the sio1 entries in /dev are missing. This can be worked around >by setting sio0 to point to 0x2f8 irq 3 in visual config. > >My main problem is that once the ftp install from ftp.freebsd.org starts >going and transfers a few tens or hundreds of k, the connection drops. >The ppp log shows "** 1 Too many ECHO packets are lost. **" >Is this a network problem to wcarchive or a rudeness on the part of my ISP? Try to say "disable lcp" and "deny lcp" to ppp -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 11:49:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10003 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09988; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id GAA03345; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:36:36 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:36:36 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611231936.GAA03345@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, stesin@gu.net Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org, phk@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that >> > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' >> > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused >> > by it. >> >> I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one >> is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box >> with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated' >> fascion and it just worked. > >*shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed, >which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads >the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match. They pick a default geometry when they become confused. I think it follows the rules posted by Darryl Okahata. The number of heads and sectors/track is chosen to make the number of cylinders <= 1024 if possible. >I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed; >I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've >certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and >been bitten. They get bitten when they can't remember the geometry and tell FreeBSD another geometry, or when they move the drive to a lesser controller than can't support the geometry. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 12:07:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10990 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10980 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.3/8.7.3) id UAA18813; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:09:41 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199611232009.UAA18813@veda.is> Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...? In-Reply-To: <9611231832.AA04161@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "Nov 23, 96 01:32:44 pm" To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility? > > CET does make better sense though as the standard name. > > That doesn't make any sense. A timezone only has a single set of > abbreviations. Unless you wanted to create an alternative set of > timezone data files, the only difference in which was that some > European countries have a different abbreviation? Gack. OK sorry for the detour, I had wrongly assumed that several names could point to the same zone sector. CET is still the obvious choice, but then how shall any sense be made of "MET"? -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 13:08:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13451 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13413; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id HAA04600; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:52:00 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:52:00 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611232052.HAA04600@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously >dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables >and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first >thing the install said to me was that the value of 4839 cylinders, 109 >sectors/track was ridiculous and that it was setting it to 64/32. Er, >ok, whatever. 4839 cylinders, 109 sectors/track and some small number of heads is a normal semi-physical drive geometry (4839 is probably physical and 109 is probably the average). 64/32 is a normal BIOS geometry. 109 sectors/track can't be used because the BIOS and the DOSpartition table only have 6 bits for the sector number. 64/32 should only be used for drives smaller than 1GB since it causes the number of cylinders to be > 1024 on larger drives. Since most new drives are larger than 1GB, 64/32 should never be used :-). >When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel >or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get: > >dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4 >Invalid format! I'm not sure what would cause that. Old versions of sysinstall had a bug that caused the geometry to appear to be 1/1 to the kernel. The ncr BIOS has more robust geometry detection than the kernel, and I think the 1/1 geometry is invalid so it would be rejected by the ncr BIOS and a default geometry that should work for (the dedicated case only ) would be used. Older versions of sysinstall did not attempt to set the geometry by writing a dummy DOSpartition table, and the kernel has kludges to make this case work - in particular it gives no chance of getting a 1/1 geometry. >Ok, so I unplugged the flaky drive from the SCSI bus, so that the new drive >is now the second SCSI disk; maybe it was having trouble with loading stuff >off of the third disk. Now I get the dreaded: > >Error: C 2000>1023 (bios limit) error. I booted the fixit floppy, This might be caused by different handling of the partition table by a different controller. >checked the disklabel, and discovered that the installer had written >a disklabel with 1 sector per track, 1 track per cylinder, 1 sector >per cylinder, and 2000000+ cylinders. I got the proper data for my disk Sysinstall apparently still has the bug. This is caused by making the partition size and/or end one sector too large, so that the ending head/sector numbers are 0/1 instead of max_head/max_cylinder. This confuses the kernel since by definition a valid BSD slice ends at a cylinder boundary to help the kernel detect the geometry. This important requirement seems to be unknown to most install programs and persons :-(. The SCSI BIOS is unlikely to think that the geometry is 1/1. It should see that the partition table is invalid and switch to a default. The defaullt is unlikely to be what sysinstall used, but it should work (in the dedicated case only) for an ncr BIOS. Lesser BIOSes may always default to a 64/32 geometry which won't work if any part of the kernel is above 1GB. >from the Seagate web page and edited it into the disklabel. The bootstrap >still complains that C 2000>1023, even though disklabel -r /dev/sd1c >shows that the a partition goes from cylinder 0 to 150. The geometry reported by disklabel is independent of both the physical geometry and the BIOS geometry. Install programs and persons should make it identical with one of these geometries to minimise confusion. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 13:24:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14022 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14016 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id IAA05102; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:19:46 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:19:46 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611232119.IAA05102@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@freebsd.org, fenner@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk >from the fixit floppy, and sure enough, it said 2 million tracks, 1 >head, 1 sector per track. These numbers come from the same place as in sysinstall: from dsinit() reading the partition table and misinterpreting the garbage in it. diskslcie_machdep.c has a lot of code to check the partition table, but the return codes are always ignored :-( and the error messages are not printed unless the kernel is booted with -v :-(. >So I tried to edit it, and experienced some >awfully confusing fdisk behavior. I entered 109 sector/track, 4 heads, >4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the >partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like >735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the >end should be at least 1023/... This behaviour is very natural if you know that there are only 6 sector bits, 8 head bits and 10 cylinder bits. Values larger than 1023/255/63 get truncated mod 1024/256/64 in each field. Geometries which would cause truncated sector or head bits must not be used. Truncation of cylinder bits is usually harmless provided you don't want to boot from a partition above cylinder 1023 or run a lesser O/S that doesn't support such partitions. >In any case, after writing the partition table twice (the first time, >for some reason, when I re-checked it it was back to 1/1.), I was able >to boot my new drive (yay!). However, fdisk now says: 109 sector/track gives a different type of garbage that happens to work (perhaps by making it obvious to the ncr BIOS that the partition entry is garbage so it defaults to something that works (in the dedicated case only)). Flexible SCSI BIOS geometries also cause interesting bootstrapping problems. Suppose that the geometry is initially 64/32 for some reason, but you don't want that. You run fdisk and tell it the geometry that you want (normally 255/63) and then change the partition table, being careful to end partitions on (new) cylinder boundaries. The kernel will detect the changed geometry in some circumstances. The SCSI BIOS will detect on the next boot. However, if you make a mistake with the cylinder boundaries, then the SCSI BIOS might detect garbage and switch to a default that might not work. It's safest to reboot immediately and check that the changes worked right. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 14:00:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15427 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15411; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.2/8.8.2) id JAA05404; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:00:38 +1100 (EST) From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199611232200.JAA05404@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT In-Reply-To: <199611231301.OAA17983@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Nov 23, 96 02:00:30 pm" To: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:00:38 +1100 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem. >> >Please send more details about your system (chip set, >> >peripherals, ...). The most important information is >> >the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send >> >me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the >> >"/var/log/messages" file ...) >> >> The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on > >There is PCI code in XFree86 ??? Yes. It was originally used for passive probing, but for some video cards, we also need to write to the PCI config space. It would be better if most OSs provided an interface for doing this though. >> that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some >> cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is >> that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines. > >Well, but how do you think I'm going to fix this, >if I have no idea what actually fails. Send me the >information I asked for (verbose boot messages and >the information about the chip set, CPU and BIOS >you can easily get at), and I'll make it work. The machines I'm referring to are not running FreeBSD (usually they are running Linux). At least one of the PPro machines is using a fairly old revision of the Orion chipset. I'll see if I can get some more information about this. As another data point, the scanpci program distributed with XFree86 (which uses differnet PCI code) does detect the PCI bus on these machines, and after that has been run, the PCI code in the XFree86 servers works again. David From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 15:01:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17441 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17436 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id JAA07243; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:58:23 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:58:23 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611232258.JAA07243@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: frank@news.via.nl, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more drives in iostat? Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I don't know if this is the right place but I've been wondering >why there are only 4 drives showed by iostat. Only 4 drives fit in 80 columns. Actually, only 3 fit, because 4 take exactly 80 columns and line wrap wastes 1 column. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 15:32:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18310 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18254; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id KAA07967; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:28:02 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:28:02 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611232328.KAA07967@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, phk@critter.tfs.com Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, stesin@gu.net Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hmm, we could try to write the fake MBR so it represents some sane >geometry in that particular case. That would help i guess. Why not write the normal historical_bogus_partition_table which is specially handled in the kernel so that there are no problems? It's possible that it is not specially enough handled by the SCSI BIOS, but there seem to be no problems in practice. >Somebody with an NCR will have to do it though. It works fine with an NCR: !******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 ******* !parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: !cylinders=6703 heads=5 sectors/track=126 (630 blks/cyl) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ as reported by SCSI enquiry ! ! Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 !parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: !cylinders=6703 heads=5 sectors/track=126 (630 blks/cyl) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ same, because the partition table is recognized as garbage and doesn't override it. Don't use this for a real partition table. ![...] !The data for partition 3 is: !sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) ! start 0, size 50000 (24 Meg), flag 80 ! beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0; ! end: cyl 1023/ sector 63/ head 255 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Normal historical_bogus_partition_table which indicates a 1023/256/63 geometry. It would be valid if it size were 1023*63*256 instead of 50000. Note that it has 256 heads, not 255. Some SCSI BIOSes can't handle 256 heads, but the ncr BIOS can. >I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot >floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu. Too hard for me ;-). I use something like `cp /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rsd0' or `disklabel -B sd0' or type in the above partition table. The disklabel -B method only works on dedicated disks, which is the only case under discussion. At least, it used to work. Disklabel now does extra work to preserve the existing partition table if there is a nonzero entry in it. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 16:35:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20389 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20360; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id LAA09348; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:26:37 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:26:37 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611240026.LAA09348@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org, phk@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The changed behavior in the install programs to do 1/1 translation is >what is brain damaged, that causes more grief than I have ever seen, Your PR seems to be missing :-). >so Rod's Rule when doing a ``dangerously dedicated'' install is to >always override the bios geometry with X/64/32, and turn off extended >(DOS >1G) translation on adaptec and buslogic cards, the NCR deals >with the translation automagically, and in conformance with the SCSI >BIOS PnP Spec. Bruce's rules are: 1. Don't use `dangerously dedicated' unless you know what you're doing. 2. Always override the BIOS geometry with X/255/63, and turn on extended (DOS > 1G) translation on buslogic cards (the ncr deals with the translation automagically, and I don't know about adaptec). This minimises problems with cylinders >= 1024 for the non-dedicated case and doesn't hurt for the dedicated case. 3. Rule 2 is unnecessary for drives smaller than 1G and doesn't work so well for drives larger than 8G. 64/32 is OK for small drives and 255/63 is the best possible for large drives. 4. For IDE drives, just run the BIOS setup and use whatever geometry it gives. This is often the geometry that you told it. Tell it to use a geometry with <= 1024 cylinders if possible. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 17:05:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21228 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21223 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.2/8.8.2/frmug-1.2) with UUCP id CAA26926 for current@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:05:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xp11.frmug.org (8.8.3/8.7.3/xp11-uucp-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA23207 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:03:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199611222303.AAA23207@xp11.frmug.org> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: /usr/src/share/examples uses install -C. Why? Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:03:08 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, While browsing /usr and subdirs, to see if some `no longuer exist' files are still in my -current tree, I noticed that /usr/share/examples is updated using install -C. As there is no dependencies to the build process reverting the feature to install -c would be nice for -current users. Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home2h/FreeBSD.cvsroot/src/share/examples/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -u -r1.20 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/06 06:30:57 1.20 +++ Makefile 1996/11/22 22:49:49 @@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ FILES!= find -L ${dir} \( -name CVS -prune \) -o -type f -print .for file in ${FILES} copies:: - ${INSTALL} -C -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${file} ${DDIR}/${file} + ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${file} ${DDIR}/${file} .endfor .endfor ------ ------ Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr (smtp) charnier@xp11.frmug.org (uucp) ``a PC not running FreeBSD is like a venusian with no tentacles'' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 17:54:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22831 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22826 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.2/8.8.2/frmug-1.2) with UUCP id CAA27944; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:54:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xp11.frmug.org (8.8.3/8.7.3/xp11-uucp-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA00825; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:40:35 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199611240140.CAA00825@xp11.frmug.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: syslogd error on /dev/console In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:50:18 +0100." <199611230950.KAA02077@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:40:35 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Salut, J Wunsch wrote: >As Philippe Charnier wrote: > >> Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error >> in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always >> report messages from su. > >Would you kindly post the error message, too? It's hard to guess >what's happening on other people's machines. ;) > Sorry about that, was at work and didn't remember the exact message Using syslogd.c v1.13 (v1.12 is ok for me) boot -s crw--w--w- 1 root wheel - 0, 0 Nov 24 ??:?? /dev/console exit to multi-user mode crw--w--w- 1 charnier wheel - 0, 0 Nov 24 02:15 /dev/console log in as charnier via xdm start an xterm Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted xp11 [83] ~ % su Password: xp11# exit exit xp11 [84] ~ % tail /var/log/messages Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1 xp11 [85] ~ % su Password: xp11# tail /var/log/messages Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1 Nov 24 02:16:15 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1 xp11# exit exit xp11 [86] ~ % su Password: No change in /var/log/messages xp11 [87] ~ % su Password: Ditto xp11 [88] ~ % su Password: Ditto start another xterm and run su on it xp11# tail /var/log/messages Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1 Nov 24 02:16:15 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1 Nov 24 02:17:39 xp11 last message repeated 3 times Nov 24 02:17:51 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp2 Nothing written in xconsole. Note that sometimes, xconsole is able to grab some of the messages. Kernel(syscons) and world are at level cvs-cur#2730 (19961122090002Z). ------ ------ Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr (smtp) charnier@xp11.frmug.org (uucp) ``a PC not running FreeBSD is like a venusian with no tentacles'' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 18:20:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23531 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23526 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16204(5)>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:20:10 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177557>; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:20:02 -0800 To: Bruce Evans cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 96 16:26:37 PST." <199611240026.LAA09348@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:19:59 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Nov23.182002pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611240026.LAA09348@godzilla.zeta.org.au> you write: >1. Don't use `dangerously dedicated' unless you know what you're doing. Isn't the geometry likely to cause *more* grief in "normal" mode? Bill From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 19:56:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26254 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26249; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id OAA23972; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:26:34 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611240356.OAA23972@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <96Nov23.095229pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from Bill Fenner at "Nov 23, 96 09:52:18 am" To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:26:33 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Fenner stands accused of saying: > In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write: > >You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that > >reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' > >mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused > >by it. > > Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true, > then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you > that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated. It's not until very recently that this has been formally tested. Rod G. is of the opinion that the problem is at least partly to do with the synthetic geometry nominated by the installer, which is quite possible. > Bill -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 21:01:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA28209 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28189; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA01920; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611240500.VAA01920@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <199611240356.OAA23972@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Nov 24, 96 02:26:33 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:00:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Bill Fenner stands accused of saying: > > In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write: > > >You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that > > >reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated' > > >mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused > > >by it. > > > > Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true, > > then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you > > that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated. > > It's not until very recently that this has been formally tested. Rod > G. is of the opinion that the problem is at least partly to do with > the synthetic geometry nominated by the installer, which is quite possible. Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install. Well, I see the major snafu, 1024/1/1 would be the maximal value that could be stored in the MBR, giving you a 512K BIOS addressable disk space, now, gee, why oh why would that be a problem??? :-) :-) Anyone ever try to locate a FreeBSD kernel in the first .5MB of a disk? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 21:47:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA29762 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29756; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00475; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:46:08 -0800 (PST) To: Bruce Evans cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:52:00 +1100." <199611232052.HAA04600@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: <473.848814368@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sysinstall apparently still has the bug. This is caused by making > the partition size and/or end one sector too large, so that the > ending head/sector numbers are 0/1 instead of max_head/max_cylinder. > This confuses the kernel since by definition a valid BSD slice > ends at a cylinder boundary to help the kernel detect the geometry. > This important requirement seems to be unknown to most install programs > and persons :-(. This has nothing to do with sysinstall as it does not calculate geometry. This is done by libdisk and is an important bit of information which seems to be unknown to most non-install persons. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 21:56:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA00189 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00159; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00543; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:55:50 -0800 (PST) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:00:50 PST." <199611240500.VAA01920@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <541.848814950@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but > I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to > a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the > MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install. This was what phk recommended as proper "hint" values for libdisk in the dangerously-dedicated case. What would you suggest instead? Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 22:46:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA01418 for current-outgoing; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01408; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02008; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611240645.WAA02008@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure In-Reply-To: <541.848814950@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Nov 23, 96 09:55:50 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:45:23 -0800 (PST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, fenner@parc.xerox.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but > > I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to > > a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the > > MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install. > > This was what phk recommended as proper "hint" values for libdisk in > the dangerously-dedicated case. What would you suggest instead? As ``hint'' values I would suggest X/64/32 (C/H/S) for SCSI drives, for IDE, well, hummmm... I don't really have a lot to say there, as every single scsi controller I can think of _can_ deal with that translation, and it gives you at least 1G of area. Bruces suggested values of X/64/255 cause problems for the controllers that use a different extended tranlation set (ie, X/63/256, X/64/256, and some other strange ones). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD