From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 00:32:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA26600 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm.wave.ras.ru [194.85.104.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26593 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id LAA08258; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:25:17 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00405; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:24:06 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199708310724.LAA00405@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Andreas Klemm cc: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "make includes" doesn't create necessary subdirs under /usr/include In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:20:31 +0200." <19970831002031.19366@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:24:04 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm wrote: > But that _also_ didn't work. Am I wrong ? Wasn't there in the > past and shouldn't there be again a make target, that does this > work, if you need it ?! make hierarchy From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 06:23:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA04487 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA04454 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id PAA27552; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA23759; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970831144907.39925@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:49:07 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "make includes" doesn't create necessary subdirs under /usr/include References: <19970831002031.19366@klemm.gtn.com> <199708310724.LAA00405@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199708310724.LAA00405@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru>; from Dmitrij Tejblum on Sun, Aug 31, 1997 at 11:24:04AM +0400 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Aug 31, 1997 at 11:24:04AM +0400, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > But that _also_ didn't work. Am I wrong ? Wasn't there in the > > past and shouldn't there be again a make target, that does this > > work, if you need it ?! > > make hierarchy Hmm, did I overlook that, thanks ! -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 08:22:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA07549 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost (user-2k7i96u.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.36.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA07544 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlb by mailhost with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0x5Bpt-000G07C; Sun, 31 Aug 97 11:22 EDT Message-ID: <34098C50.244A@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:22:56 -0400 From: Ron Bolin X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Current Mailing List Subject: Current 3.0 8-30-97 Missing HWI_MASK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What happened to the HWI_MASK define in machine/spl.h? I see SWI_MASK defined as ~HWI_MASK, but no define for HWI_MASK. Any pointers would be appreciated as I am trying to compile ipfilter 3.2beta4. Thank's Ron -- **************************************************************************** Ron Bolin rlb@mindspring.com, http://www.mindspring.com/~rlb/ http://www.gsu.edu/~gs01rlb gs01rlb@panther.gsu.edu rbolin@netchannel.net Home: 770-992-6875 Work: 770-729-2929 Ext 249 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 11:11:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12447 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12441 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20956; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708311810.MAA20956@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Ron Bolin cc: FreeBSD Current Mailing List Subject: Re: Current 3.0 8-30-97 Missing HWI_MASK In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:22:56 EDT." <34098C50.244A@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:10:56 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > What happened to the HWI_MASK define in machine/spl.h? > > I see SWI_MASK defined as ~HWI_MASK, but no define for HWI_MASK. > > Any pointers would be appreciated as I am trying to compile > ipfilter 3.2beta4. its now machine/ipl.h -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 14:35:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA19461 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19455; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de ([134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA12054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:35:10 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) id XAA03986; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:28:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:28:49 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Glenn Johnson Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: NCR SCSI will not boot References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Glenn Johnson on Thu, Aug 21, 1997 at 01:51:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Aug 21, Glenn Johnson wrote: > ncr0: rev 0x11 int a irq 11 on pci0.14.0 > ncr0: minsync=25, maxsync=206, maxoffs=8, 128 dwords burst, large dma fifo Could you please try revision 1.106 of /sys/pci/ncr.c ? I have found and fixed a problem with early revision NCR 53c875 chips, and could verify it with my rev 0x01 53c875. If my understanding of the problem is correct, then the driver should now be able to the on-chip SRAM for SCRIPTS storage ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 31 15:35:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21933 for current-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21926 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with UUCP id XAA16246 for freebsd.org!current; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:27:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:25:03 +0100 X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:20:16 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Subject: Problem with ctm src-cur Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >hal# ctm -vv ../deltas/*303* >Working on <../deltas/src-cur.3030.gz> >Expecting Global MD5 <9fabd96052aa5ba7119134ffa39c0b60> >Reference Global MD5 <9fabd96052aa5ba7119134ffa39c0b60> > FN: sys/i386/include/param.h md5 mismatch. > FN: sys/i386/include/param.h edit returned 1. >Exit(73) >hal# Anyone else seen this? Suggestions? -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-current Mon Sep 1 05:31:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA23410 for current-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@ache.relcom.ru [194.58.229.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA23400 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA05722 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:31:07 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:31:04 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: FreeBSD-current Subject: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I remove all revoke mess for games which ever aren't sguid, but rest of the games (which are sguid under HIDEGAME) is seriously broken now too, consider following example from snake.c: rawscores = open(_PATH_RAWSCORES, O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644); logfile = fopen(_PATH_LOGFILE, "a"); /* revoke privs */ setegid(getgid()); setgid(getgid()); This files created after first run: -rw-r--r-- ache games snakerawscores -rw-rw-r-- ache games snake.log It means that any user which run 'snake' first time can damage (overwrite) scores and log file. Similar thing for other games too. I suggest to back out recent games uid->gid completely and remove revike mess too. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Mon Sep 1 09:13:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA05748 for current-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA05735 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02699; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709011612.JAA02699@austin.polstra.com> To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com Subject: Re: CVS checkout doesn't do it's job [ was Re: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/md5.h:40: previous declaration of `MD5File' ] In-Reply-To: <19970830104010.46522@klemm.gtn.com> References: <19970827225701.47966@klemm.gtn.com> <199708272119.BAA02834@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> <19970830104010.46522@klemm.gtn.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:12:31 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, now I remove everything in /usr/src/sys/sys and do a > cvs update -P ... let's see ... Well, believe me or not, > I only get the md5.h file with release 1.8 not with version > 1.9 from the repository ... You probably have a sticky tag or sticky date. Use "cvs update -APd". > Question: is my cvs repository ill ? Or freefall's or does > cvsup not behave as it should ??? Your RCS file looks fine to me. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-current Mon Sep 1 09:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06065 for current-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06058 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02785; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709011618.JAA02785@austin.polstra.com> To: gateway@image.dk Subject: Re: How to get csvup to work? In-Reply-To: <33B6E13F.B8A505C0@image.dk> References: <33B6E13F.B8A505C0@image.dk> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:18:58 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How do I use csvup to get my src-tree at current from 3.0 Snap > 5/22/1997? http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cvsup.html -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-current Mon Sep 1 11:44:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14560 for current-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14551 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18450; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:43:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:43:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709011843.UAA18450@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?='s message of Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:31:04 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since you're asking questions in the subject: I got this idea a long time ago, and found that OpenBSD had already done it. I merged and verified that at least Guido and Warner (security officers) considered it The Right Thing, and then committed. > > Well, I remove all revoke mess for games which ever aren't sguid, Sorry about spurious revokes - I assumed that they were in OpenBSD for a reason. > but rest of the games (which are sguid under HIDEGAME) is seriously > broken now too, consider following example from snake.c: > > rawscores = open(_PATH_RAWSCORES, O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644); > logfile = fopen(_PATH_LOGFILE, "a"); > > /* revoke privs */ > setegid(getgid()); > setgid(getgid()); > > This files created after first run: > > -rw-r--r-- ache games snakerawscores > -rw-rw-r-- ache games snake.log > > It means that any user which run 'snake' first time can damage (overwrite) > scores and log file. Similar thing for other games too. We might want to make /var/games 0770 instead of 0775; this should solve this problem. > I suggest to back out recent games uid->gid completely and remove revike > mess too. I suggest you calm down and check whether things happen for a reason. This is to avoid security errors in games compromising other accounts. And it would be courteous to check with the person responsible before flaming in public; I'm not that hard to get hold of. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Sep 1 23:51:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA20494 for current-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20487 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbbse.bbn.hp.com (hpbbse.bbn.hp.com [15.136.26.26]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27394 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbn.hp.com (tmbbobmc.bbn.hp.com) by hpbbse.bbn.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ISO 3.3.1) id AA248283048; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:50:48 +0100 Message-Id: <340BB846.10C32E89@bbn.hp.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:55:02 +0200 From: Michael Class Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: scontrib.aa on current.freebsd.org munged Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------331E5F879442AD92C796656F" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------331E5F879442AD92C796656F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just tried to download the FreeBSD-snap sources of today (970830) from current.freebsd.org. In the src directory the scontrib.aa file is overwritten by a second scontrib.aa (for contrib-crypto). For that reason it is impossible to unpack the scontrib.* sources. Michael -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Class E-Mail: michael_class@hp.com Internet/Intranet Solutions Center Phone: +49 7031 14-3707 CSO Europe Fax: +49 7031 14-4196 Hewlett-Packard GmbH, PO Box 1430, 71004 Boeblingen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------331E5F879442AD92C796656F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Class Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Michael Class n: Class;Michael org: Hewlett-Packard GmbH adr: Herrenbergerstr. 130;;;Böblingen;;71004;Germany email;internet: michael_class@bbn.hp.com tel;work: +49 7031 14-3707 tel;fax: +49 7031 14-4196 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------331E5F879442AD92C796656F-- From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 00:24:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22246 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chuck.schiele-ct.de (chuck.schiele-ct.de [193.141.27.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22239 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schiele-ct.de (localhost.schiele-ct.de [127.0.0.1]) by chuck.schiele-ct.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27412 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:27:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199709020727.JAA27412@chuck.schiele-ct.de> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: sliplogin fails Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:27:17 +0200 From: Bernd Rosauer Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I upgraded my FreeBSD box from 3.0-970209-SNAP to 3.0-970807-SNAP. Sliplogin worked before the upgrade, but now I get the following error message: Sep 1 19:02:45 stiller -sliplogin[561]: Sfaber login failed: exit status 256 from /etc/sliphome/slip.login I checked the (unmodified) contents of the corresponding configuration and script files, their file modes and ownerships. I can't find any clue. Is there anybody out there who could give me a hint? I would appreciate any help. My /etc/sliphome/slip.login looks like: #!/bin/sh - # # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7-n # slipunit ttyspeed loginname local-addr remote-addr mask opt-args # /sbin/ifconfig sl$1 inet $4 $5 netmask $6 and my /etc/sliphome/slip.hosts contains: #login local-address remote-address netmask option(s) #----- ------------- -------------- ---------- --------- Sfaber 10.1.1.1 10.1.1.2 0xffffff00 autocomp Thanks!!! -Bernd From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 00:39:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22877 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22872 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA20529; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Class cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scontrib.aa on current.freebsd.org munged In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:55:02 +0200." <340BB846.10C32E89@bbn.hp.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20524.873185830@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just tried to download the FreeBSD-snap sources of today (970830) from > current.freebsd.org. In the src directory the scontrib.aa file is > overwritten by a second scontrib.aa (for contrib-crypto). For that > reason it is impossible to unpack the scontrib.* sources. Yikes! You're right. Erm. I'll have to look into this. :-) Thanks. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 02:08:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA26474 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@ache.relcom.ru [194.58.229.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA26466 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA00764; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:08:16 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:08:13 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eivind Eklund cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? In-Reply-To: <199709011843.UAA18450@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > but rest of the games (which are sguid under HIDEGAME) is seriously > > broken now too, consider following example from snake.c: > > > > rawscores = open(_PATH_RAWSCORES, O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644); > > logfile = fopen(_PATH_LOGFILE, "a"); > > > > /* revoke privs */ > > setegid(getgid()); > > setgid(getgid()); > > > > This files created after first run: > > > > -rw-r--r-- ache games snakerawscores > > -rw-rw-r-- ache games snake.log > > > > It means that any user which run 'snake' first time can damage (overwrite) > > scores and log file. Similar thing for other games too. > > We might want to make /var/games 0770 instead of 0775; this should > solve this problem. Please please check what _each_ game really does. Please test _each_ game writing reading scores/stats properly. 0770 will break things too since some games assume public readable scores. > > I suggest to back out recent games uid->gid completely and remove revike > > mess too. > > I suggest you calm down and check whether things happen for a reason. > This is to avoid security errors in games compromising other accounts. > And it would be courteous to check with the person responsible before > flaming in public; I'm not that hard to get hold of. Well, backing out would be minimal cost. I have nothing about the idea in general, but I wonder, how ever you decide to commit some stuff which: 1) Do setuid() stuff for games which not installed sguid. 2) Broke all games which collect scores. It means that you commit completely untested thing, if you ever run some games after commit as I do, you'll see it. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 04:52:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02236 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA02124 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id NAA29754 for current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:30:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02976; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:29:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970902132936.15907@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:29:36 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: make release fails: install-info: unrecognized option `--defsection=Programming & development tools.' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! Make release fails with that error message: ===> lib/libcom_err/doc install-info --defsection="Programming & development tools." --defentry="* libcom_err: (com_err). A Common Error Description Library for UNIX." com_err.info /local/release/usr/share/info/dir install-info: unrecognized option `--defsection=Programming & development tools.' Try `install-info --help' for a complete list of options. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Hard to get a -current SNAP build these days ;-) -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 04:56:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02385 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA02370 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20806; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709021155.NAA20806@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= CC: current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?='s message of Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:08:13 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? References: <199709011843.UAA18450@bitbox.follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > It means that any user which run 'snake' first time can damage (overwrite) > > > scores and log file. Similar thing for other games too. > > > > We might want to make /var/games 0770 instead of 0775; this should > > solve this problem. > > Please please check what _each_ game really does. Please test _each_ game > writing reading scores/stats properly. 0770 will break things too since > some games assume public readable scores. OK, I'm going through and testing implications of this. I'll check where it might be necessary to set umasks, too. > I have nothing about the idea in general, but I wonder, how ever you > decide to commit some stuff which: > > 1) Do setuid() stuff for games which not installed sguid. This is from OpenBSD., I assumed their code was there for a reason; and on thinking this through, I actually found a fairly good reason for it to be there - this allow an administrator to move around which games are hidden and not without compromising any security. Is there any good reason why they SHOULDN'T be there? > 2) Broke all games which collect scores. > > It means that you commit completely untested thing, if you ever run > some games after commit as I do, you'll see it. I tested that games could run and save/load score-files. No, I didn't pay notice to the UIDs saved in /var/games - sorry. However, I actually _did_ test. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 05:52:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA04677 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA04651 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06051; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:50:32 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:50:27 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: Eivind Eklund cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? In-Reply-To: <199709021155.NAA20806@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Eivind Eklund wrote: > This is from OpenBSD., I assumed their code was there for a > reason; and on thinking this through, I actually found a fairly good > reason for it to be there - this allow an administrator to move around > which games are hidden and not without compromising any security. Is > there any good reason why they SHOULDN'T be there? Because it is obvious bloating for non-games. DM stuff designed to restrict access to real games which are non-acceptable at work time f.e. Besides this it is to hard to imagine things like 'random' or 'bcd' can be played from hour to hour and occupe work time, but it is easy to imagine that 'random' can be used as utility. When we move all possible games under DM and exclude all utilities from it, it will be easy to flexible tune DM via dm.conf. I see no real reason to bloat utilities in case some strange administrator decide to move them under DM. He may move /bin/cat under DM too. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 06:24:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA05770 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05764 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA08656; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:23:08 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:23:02 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: Eivind Eklund cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? In-Reply-To: <199709021155.NAA20806@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Eivind Eklund wrote: > I tested that games could run and save/load score-files. No, I didn't > pay notice to the UIDs saved in /var/games - sorry. However, I > actually _did_ test. robots can't write its stats f.e. at all since they install zero robots_roll as beforeinstall target: -rw------- 1 bin games robots_roll -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 06:30:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA05969 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gold.sdln.net (gold.sdln.net [204.52.252.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05964 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from david.sdln.net ([204.52.252.75]) by gold.sdln.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06644 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970902073001.006a4770@gold.sdln.net> X-Sender: dmartin@gold.sdln.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 07:30:01 -0600 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: David Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-current <=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> + David Martin + + South Dakota Library Network + + + + email: dmartin@sdln.net + + ph: (605)6423-6039 + <=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 08:00:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA10271 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10257 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15169; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:00:00 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:59:51 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: Eivind Eklund cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk An addition to patches you work now: /usr/games/cfscores and /usr/games/snscore should be moved out of DM (remove HIDEGAME since they are not a games). It assumes that score files itself remains public-readable, of course. BTW, better way to be protected is not make binary setuid/gid at all if possible, more better then revoke setuid/gid early at startup since worms can be found in startup code. Bloating non setuid/gid binary with revoke code is not needed and not helps for startup worms in any case. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24168 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24163 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from apl@localhost) by hutcs.cs.hut.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA09217; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:01:44 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:01:44 +0300 From: Antti-Pekka Liedes To: current@freebsd.org Subject: serious instability with -current kernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain reboot. The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. I made world from fresh sources today. Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower 10/100. -- Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:25:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25417 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25383 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id PAA03670; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:24:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003534; Tue, 2 Sep 97 15:24:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA07908; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:24:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:24:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-Reply-To: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Antti-Pekka Liedes wrote: > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > reboot. The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > I made world from fresh sources today. > Hi. I had some stability issues also with recent current kernels, but so far I have found that a kernel from 9-1-97 is really stable. With previous kernels from the week before, I could not get a make world to complete, it always crashed with the message "free vnode isn't". But, a kernel from yesterday completes make world fine. Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group 7600 Boone Ave. N., Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 mesteka@anubis.network.com, mestery@winternet.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:31:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25778 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25771 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00894; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022031.OAA00894@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:01:44 +0300." <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 14:31:01 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > reboot. I presume this is an SMP kernel? --- > The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > I made world from fresh sources today. > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > 10/100. is this using the de driver? I think others have reported problems with it recently. Any chance of using another network card/driver? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:35:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26094 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.nconnect.net (root@atlantis.nconnect.net [207.227.50.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26085 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nconnect.net (arabian.microxp.com [207.227.65.13]) by atlantis.nconnect.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00343; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:41:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <340C7A1D.473E47CD@nconnect.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:42:05 -0500 From: randyd Organization: Computer Specialists X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antti-Pekka Liedes CC: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel References: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Antti-Pekka Liedes wrote: > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > reboot. The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > I made world from fresh sources today. > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > 10/100. I've noticed similar behavior, but I spend most of my time running X and don't notice it there. Try disabling moused and any screensaver you have in your /etc/rc.conf. A while back the daemon saver did this to me. Turning it off, eliminated the problem. --- Randall D DuCharme Systems Engineer Novell, Microsoft, and UNIX Networking Support Computer Specialists BSDI Internet Success Partners 414-253-9998 414-253-9919 (fax) BSD/OS Authorized Resellers From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26300 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26294 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from apl@localhost) by hutcs.cs.hut.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA09419; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:36:56 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <19970902233656.44009@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:36:56 +0300 From: Antti-Pekka Liedes To: Steve Passe Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel References: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> <199709022031.OAA00894@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199709022031.OAA00894@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>; from Steve Passe on Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 02:31:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 02:31:01PM -0600, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > > reboot. > > I presume this is an SMP kernel? > Yep. > --- > > The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > > I made world from fresh sources today. > > > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > > 10/100. > > is this using the de driver? I think others have reported problems with > it recently. Any chance of using another network card/driver? > Yes, I'm using the de-driver. I don't have any other network cards but three etherpowers, so no choice there... I think my troubles started after a few changes to TCP-sections of the kernel a couple of days after Aug 11th. Back then I thought I maybe just had a broken src-tree but the problem is still here. > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > -- Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:38:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26389 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26383 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25457; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-Reply-To: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Me too, I'm seeing it just sitting there, and then dropping to ddb w/o any reason printed, just Boom, ddb> Completely stumped. Hardware that ran Solaris, NT, and 2.2.2-stable just fine. Haven't tried going back in time to far, I'm on kernels form 8/15 on. On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Antti-Pekka Liedes wrote: > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > reboot. The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > I made world from fresh sources today. > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > 10/100. > > -- > Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's > JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many > 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer > +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) > From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 13:42:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26574 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26569 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00942; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022041.OAA00942@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:36:56 +0300." <19970902233656.44009@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 14:41:52 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I presume this is an SMP kernel? > > > > Yep. > > > --- > > > The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > > > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > > > I made world from fresh sources today. > > > > > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > > > 10/100. > > > > is this using the de driver? I think others have reported problems with > > it recently. Any chance of using another network card/driver? > > > > Yes, I'm using the de-driver. I don't have any other network cards but > three etherpowers, so no choice there... I think my troubles started after > a few changes to TCP-sections of the kernel a couple of days after Aug > 11th. Back then I thought I maybe just had a broken src-tree but the > problem is still here. could you elaborate on "changes to TCP-sections of the kernel"? are these changes you made locally? or are you refering to changes made to the current src tree? if so, what changes? does this instability exist for an identical UP kernel? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 14:02:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27386 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27381 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (karl@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA11045; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id QAA25610; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970902160147.02389@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:47 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Steve Passe Cc: Antti-Pekka Liedes , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel References: <19970902230144.44442@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> <199709022031.OAA00894@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: <199709022031.OAA00894@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>; from Steve Passe on Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 02:31:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 02:31:01PM -0600, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > > reboot. > > I presume this is an SMP kernel? > > --- > > The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > > I made world from fresh sources today. > > > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > > 10/100. > > is this using the de driver? I think others have reported problems with > it recently. Any chance of using another network card/driver? > > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > I am running a very recent -CURRENT kernel on several NON-SMP boxes and are not seeing problems. And I'm using the de driver. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex modem support is now available Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| 56kbps DIGITAL ISDN DOV on analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 14:17:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28158 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28153 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pauling.salk.edu (pauling [198.202.70.108]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22152 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol Reply-To: Tom Bartol To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ditto here, Over the last several days starting from world/kernel of 8/28 and even on world/kernel as of last night (9/2) I get crashes that haven't left me with any useful info. All the crashes have occured while composing e-mail from within pine. My /var/mail is an NFSv3 mounted fs served by an Auspex NS-7000 over 100/BT (nice!). The system in question is a Dell XPS-P133c (i.e. P5/133) with 128MB, Adaptec 2940U, and 3Com 3C595 100/BT. I've been running the same world/kernel on my home system with no trouble (but no NFS or network card either). Curiously, I composed this e-mail on the unstable system with no trouble. All the crashes consistently occured while composing mail within a few minutes after logging in. Tom > > On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Antti-Pekka Liedes wrote: > > > > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > > have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after > > about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain > > reboot. The problem might be network related, it hasn't crashed if I > > haven't had any network connections yet. The Aug 11th kernel works fine. > > I made world from fresh sources today. > > > > Other hardware includes AHA-3940U, Matrox Millennium, and SMC EtherPower > > 10/100. > > > > -- > > Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's > > JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many > > 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer > > +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) > > > > From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 14:27:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28719 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28708 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01169; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022127.PAA01169@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: randyd cc: Antti-Pekka Liedes , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:42:05 CDT." <340C7A1D.473E47CD@nconnect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:27:12 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > ... > I've noticed similar behavior, but I spend most of my time running X and > don't > notice it there. Try disabling moused and any screensaver you have in > your > /etc/rc.conf. A while back the daemon saver did this to me. Turning it > off, > eliminated the problem. this points to out of sync lkms, or possibly some problem we've introduced recently concerning lkms. try the above suggested fix (removing all lkms) to see if this makes a difference. If it does, a make world may be in order. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 14:44:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29411 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29406 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from apl@localhost) by hutcs.cs.hut.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA09992; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:43:41 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <19970903004341.41621@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:43:41 +0300 From: Antti-Pekka Liedes To: Steve Passe Cc: randyd , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel References: <340C7A1D.473E47CD@nconnect.net> <199709022127.PAA01169@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199709022127.PAA01169@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>; from Steve Passe on Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 03:27:12PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 03:27:12PM -0600, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > > ... > > I've noticed similar behavior, but I spend most of my time running X and > > don't > > notice it there. Try disabling moused and any screensaver you have in > > your > > /etc/rc.conf. A while back the daemon saver did this to me. Turning it > > off, > > eliminated the problem. > > this points to out of sync lkms, or possibly some problem we've introduced > recently concerning lkms. try the above suggested fix (removing all lkms) > to see if this makes a difference. If it does, a make world may be in order. > Thanks, removing the screen saver solved my problem. I had made world pretty recently, but obviously there was still something out of sync. > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > -- Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 14:51:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29759 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29752 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01279; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:51:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022151.PAA01279@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: randyd , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Sep 1997 00:43:41 +0300." <19970903004341.41621@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:51:33 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > > > I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and > > > > I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I > > > ... > > > I've noticed similar behavior, but I spend most of my time running X and > > > don't > > > notice it there. Try disabling moused and any screensaver you have in > > > your > > > /etc/rc.conf. A while back the daemon saver did this to me. Turning it > > > off, > > > eliminated the problem. > > > ... > Thanks, removing the screen saver solved my problem. I had made world > pretty recently, but obviously there was still something out of sync. Obviously, it would be nice to know the exact nature of the problem. Since UP doesn't show the same problems its probably not a simple sync problem. Is the UP kernel you successfully tested with as new as the SMP kernel that fails? If not, could you build one with the same sources as the failing SMP kernel and see if the screensaver lkm then causes it to fail? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 15:01:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00460 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00455 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from apl@localhost) by hutcs.cs.hut.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA10069; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:00:28 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <19970903010028.15858@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:00:28 +0300 From: Antti-Pekka Liedes To: Steve Passe Cc: randyd , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel References: <19970903004341.41621@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> <199709022151.PAA01279@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199709022151.PAA01279@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>; from Steve Passe on Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 03:51:33PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 02, 1997 at 03:51:33PM -0600, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > Thanks, removing the screen saver solved my problem. I had made world > > pretty recently, but obviously there was still something out of sync. > > Obviously, it would be nice to know the exact nature of the problem. Since > UP doesn't show the same problems its probably not a simple sync problem. > > Is the UP kernel you successfully tested with as new as the SMP kernel > that fails? > > If not, could you build one with the same sources as the failing SMP kernel > and see if the screensaver lkm then causes it to fail? > I have UP and SMP kernels build from the very same sources, no other difference but UP has all the SMP-options disabled. When I used the SMP kernel with screensaver lkm loaded, it crashed within about five minutes from booting, usually in about two. With UP kernel I didn't have any problems for half an hour, with screensaver loaded. Right now I'm succesfully running SMP kernel without any lkms loaded. And all kernels mentioned are from very fresh sources, cvsup'd a few hours ago. > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > -- Antti-Pekka Liedes * apl@IRC * In two hells there's JMT 6 B 406 * apl@iki.fi * one hell too many 02150 ESPOO * apl@apocalypse.tky.hut.fi * - Lucifer +358 - 9 - 468 3121 * +358 - 40 - 5873 593 * (in God's Army) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 15:05:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00737 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00732 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01371; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022205.QAA01371@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: randyd , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Sep 1997 01:00:28 +0300." <19970903010028.15858@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:05:30 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, OK, thanx this narrows it down somewhat. I'll try turning on a screensaver on my development box and see what happens. In my case its off because we had the same problem 3-4 months ago, tuning it off fixed it, and I never re-enabled it. Reports were that it was fixed that time by rebuilding world. I'll be back... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 15:22:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01642 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01558; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01474; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709022221.QAA01474@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Antti-Pekka Liedes cc: current@freebsd.org, smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious instability with -current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Sep 1997 01:10:54 +0300." <19970903011054.02248@hutcs.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:21:31 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, A user reported: >> I'm running FreeBSD-current on my Tyan Tomcat IIID dual pentium box, and >> I've lately had serious instability problems. The latest working kernel I >> have was build on Aug 11th, all kernels after that crash randomly after >> about 2 minutes of use. There's no error message or anything, just plain [ we narrowed the problem down to screensaver lkm ] > It seems to be ok now. I made all lkms from source-tree and installed > them. Then I loaded screensaver lkm as in boot and it seems to work. I > guess my make world wasn't clean or something. A boot with it enabled will be necessary to be definative, it could be a problem with the point in time that it first comes alive. Given that the same UP kernel has no problems this is a distinct possibility. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 16:33:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04452 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04437 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA22251; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:32:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:32:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709022332.BAA22251@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= CC: perhaps@yes.no, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?='s message of Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:59:51 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: games uid->gid does too much damage! Who ever got this idea and why? References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > An addition to patches you work now: > /usr/games/cfscores and /usr/games/snscore should be moved out of DM > (remove HIDEGAME since they are not a games). > It assumes that score files itself remains public-readable, of course. > > BTW, better way to be protected is not make binary setuid/gid at all if > possible, more better then revoke setuid/gid early at startup since > worms can be found in startup code. Bloating non setuid/gid binary with > revoke code is not needed and not helps for startup worms in any case. OK. Due to the problems with the present patch, I've been thinking of an alternative, for which I'm awaiting feedback from Theo deRaadt (ways to break this scheme also requested from all -current readers): (1) Change dm back to setuid _and_ setgid games. (2) Set dm schg (3) Set mode on /usr/games/hide to root.games 550 (4) Change all games to be owned by bin.bin (or preferably root.bin, except that is against policy) (5) Make all hidegames revoke setuid/setgid as soon as possible (which I think they already do) This should (if I'm not missing anything) stop the possibility of anybody doing overwriting any executables with a games exploit. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 17:11:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05714 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05703 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA09518 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: current@freebsd.org Subject: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 18:18:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA08349 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com (tom@shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08342 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by shell.uniserve.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14446; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.uniserve.com: tom owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Jaye Mathisen cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > man boot Tom From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 18:20:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA08463 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08458 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA24093; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Tom cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm, all I see is documentation for /boot.config, and a mention of /kernel.config as the file to put kernel parameters, but no mention of what those parameters might be... On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Tom wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > > > > > > man boot > > > Tom > > From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 18:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA09226 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com (tom@shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09221 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by shell.uniserve.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14536; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.uniserve.com: tom owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Jaye Mathisen cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > Hmmm, all I see is documentation for /boot.config, and a mention of > /kernel.config as the file to put kernel parameters, but no mention of > what those parameters might be... oops, you are right. The kernel.config seems to be a derrivation of the dset stuff. I think it is just lines that are fed into the kernel user config cli. Time to read the source... Tom From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 19:09:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA10254 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10249 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA23188; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:07:01 +1000 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:07:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199709030207.MAA23188@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > man boot There isn't much there. kernel.config is copied to the "info area" so it is "parsed" if if kernel option USERCONFIG_BOOT is configured. See LINT. The info area is only documented in source files AFAIK. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 20:43:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13908 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13898 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl3) with ESMTP id MAA07105 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:41:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199709030341.MAA07105@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: deadlock in vgonel() by unionfs operation From: KATO Takenori X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:41:56 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got deadlock condition with unionfs. The deadlock can be easily reproduced by: % mount -t union foo bar % ls foo ... % ls bar (never returns) The ls sleeps in vgonel() by: /* * If a vgone (or vclean) is already in progress, * wait until it is done and return. */ if (vp->v_flag & VXLOCK) { vp->v_flag |= VXWANT; simple_unlock(&vp->v_interlock); tsleep((caddr_t)vp, PINOD, "vgone", 0); <---- Here! return; } The problem occurs since the change of vfs stuff in August. I think there is something locking violation or missing usecount operation. ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 21:24:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15897 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15891 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA27164; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:24:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Tom cc: Jaye Mathisen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:39:27 PDT." Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:24:14 -0700 Message-ID: <27160.873260654@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The kernel.config seems to be a derrivation of the dset stuff. I think > it is just lines that are fed into the kernel user config cli. Time to > read the source... That is correct. It remains for Bruce to document this stuff he's added. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 22:38:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19364 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19356 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA31294; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:22:28 +1000 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:22:28 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199709030522.PAA31294@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: /kernel.config documentation? WHere? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, mrcpu@cdsnet.net Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> The kernel.config seems to be a derrivation of the dset stuff. I think >> it is just lines that are fed into the kernel user config cli. Time to >> read the source... > >That is correct. It remains for Bruce to document this stuff he's >added. :-) This is only partly correct. kernel.config has very little to do with dset. It should contain a magic header and lines that are fed into the kernel user config cli. It remains for jkh to document the magic header and other gotchas. I just made it easier to use the stuff that he added. It is still hard to use. E.g., when you enable USERCONFIG_BOOT then entering the user config cli is forced, which is usually not what you want. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Tue Sep 2 23:26:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA21891 for current-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA21885 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2387 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Sep 1997 06:26:53 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19970829080045.HW53717@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: sysinstall.fdisk display problem Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi J Wunsch; On 29-Aug-97 you wrote: > As Warner Losh wrote: > > > : Erm, on the build machine? On releng22.freebsd.org, /usr/src -> > > : -current > > : sources and it works just fine. > > > > Ummm, no it doesn't. I found at least one problem that I've detailed > > in a message to hackers about this. asmacros.h has an explicit > > include of "/usr/src/lib/libc/i386/DEFS.h" in it, which breaks on the > > include in lib/msun's build. > > Warner, you haven't ever built a release, have you? > > It runs entirely in a chrooted tree. I don't understand Simon's > complaint either. Simon Just came back from miniature vacation and has this to add: a. I last built EXACTLY on the 27th. This is when it failed. b. Warner has a point (I cannot say anything about his release built veterancy :-) Although the make release should work in isolation, it assumes certain things. Because I have the need to cuncurrently build and maintain both 2.2 and 3.0, i have the following setup: a. I run cvsup on src-all twice a day, and just before a build. b. In /usr/src, i have a directory 2.2 and a directory 3.0. c. In each directory I have ports and src, each containing what you would expect (examplel /usr/src/3.0/src contains what a -current machine would normally have in /usr/src. If I want to build, say 2.2 (the machine is -current), I do this: cd /usr/src rm * ln -s /usr/src/2.2/src/* . cd 2.2/src make buildworld > ../build.out 2>&1& tail -f ../build.out If I want to build a release; cd /usr/src/2.2/src/release make release > ../../release.out 2>&1& tail -f ../../release.out If this is wrong, tell me where. It seems to work fine most of the time. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 02-Sep-97, 23:16:52 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 00:58:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27325 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27315 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) id AAA07447 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen Message-Id: <199709030758.AAA07447@schizo.cdsnet.net> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: 3.0/SMP panic Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmm... 3.0-current (supped 9/2/97), DPT RAID. fpx0, not a whole lot else. I was using M$ Inetload 2.0 to simulate a bunch of mail users. IT was running fine for a few minutes, then died horribly with: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 1 lapic.id = 33554432 current process = Idle mp_lock = 01000003 interrupt mask = net tty bio <- SMP: XXX Stopped at _pmap_enter+0xa7: and some other stuff. The traceback is not too long, but I don't have any good way to type it all in. It goes like: _pmap_enter _vm_fault Trap_pfault _trap _zalloc _pmap_insert_entry _pmap_enter _kmem_alloc _in_pcballoc _Tcp_attach _tcp_usr_attack _sonewconn _tcp_inut _ip_input _ipintr swi_net_next It is trivially reproducible at least on my hardware. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 04:21:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA06478 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 04:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA06468 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 04:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23797; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:21:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:21:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709031121.NAA23797@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: Simon Shapiro CC: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Simon Shapiro's message of Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: sysinstall.fdisk display problem References: <19970829080045.HW53717@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi J Wunsch; On 29-Aug-97 you wrote: > > As Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > : Erm, on the build machine? On releng22.freebsd.org, /usr/src -> > > > : -current > > > : sources and it works just fine. > > > > > > Ummm, no it doesn't. I found at least one problem that I've detailed > > > in a message to hackers about this. asmacros.h has an explicit > > > include of "/usr/src/lib/libc/i386/DEFS.h" in it, which breaks on the > > > include in lib/msun's build. > > > > Warner, you haven't ever built a release, have you? > > > > It runs entirely in a chrooted tree. I don't understand Simon's > > complaint either. > > Simon Just came back from miniature vacation and has this to add: > > a. I last built EXACTLY on the 27th. This is when it failed. > b. Warner has a point (I cannot say anything about his release built > veterancy :-) > > Although the make release should work in isolation, it assumes certain > things. Because I have the need to cuncurrently build and maintain both > 2.2 and 3.0, i have the following setup: > > a. I run cvsup on src-all twice a day, and just before a build. > > b. In /usr/src, i have a directory 2.2 and a directory 3.0. > > c. In each directory I have ports and src, each containing what you > would expect (examplel /usr/src/3.0/src contains what a -current > machine would normally have in /usr/src. > > If I want to build, say 2.2 (the machine is -current), I do this: > > cd /usr/src > rm * > ln -s /usr/src/2.2/src/* . > cd 2.2/src > make buildworld > ../build.out 2>&1& > tail -f ../build.out I don't think the ln -s step should be necessary anymore. I think this commit marked the end of that dependency: From: Bruce Evans Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261413.HAA08872@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-release@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/release/sysinstall Makefile bde 1997/08/26 07:13:51 PDT Modified files: release/sysinstall Makefile Log: -I/sys -> ${.CURDIR}/../../sys. This should finish replacing /sys by a relative path. Revision Changes Path 1.62 +2 -1 src/release/sysinstall/Makefile (I seem to remember a previous commit claiming the rest of the problem had been solved, but I might have been wrong - I couldn't find it with a simple search). Eivind. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 05:38:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA09499 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (mail@labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA09494 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au [127.0.0.1] (davidn) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0x6Ehl-0000HA-00 (Debian); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:38:42 +1000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: charnier@xp11.frmug.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not run rc.shutdown ! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:00:09 +0200." <199708212100.XAA05054@xp11.frmug.org> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 23:38:41 +1100 From: David Nugent Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How to run rc.shutdown? It doesn't work when running reboot nor > shutdown, it is only run when a SIGTERM is send to init (see > death()). Ctrl-Alt-Del will in effect do that (although it uses SIGINT, which reboots after halt). Alternatively, kill -INT (-TERM) 1. > When running reboot, a SIGTSTP is sent to init, then a > SIGTERM is sent to my processes including innd (argh!). Yes. IMHO shutdown(8) at least should do its stuff via SIG{INT,TERM} to init. Reboot is a special case - it's good to have some means of bypassing init and I've always equated /sbin/init with that sort of functionality. Regards, David From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 06:34:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12146 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA12119; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl3) with ESMTP id WAA08596; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:32:35 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199709031332.WAA08596@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: phk@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_subr.c From: KATO Takenori In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199709030918.CAA19754@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:32:35 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got page fault at vgonel + 0x156. Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = suprvisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0134486 statc pointer = 0x10:0xf43b0d34 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf43b0d40 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 106 (dev_mkdb) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at _vgonel+0x156: movl %edx,0(%eax) db> trace _vgonel(f056b180,f050f400,f43b0da0,f01818db,f056b180) at _vgonel+0x156 _vrecycle(f056b180,0,f050f400,f056b180,f050f400) at _vrecycle+0x19 _ufs_inactive(f43b0db4) at _ufs_inactive+0x16b _vputrele(f056b180,1,f43b0e88,f0185643,f056b180) at _vputrele+0f9 _vput(f056b180) at _vput+0xd _ufs_rename(f43b0ea8,f050f400,f01c0970,2,f0513580) at _ufs_rename+0x85e _rename(f050f400,f43b0f94,f43b0f84) at _rename+0x2e0 _syscall(27,27,9000,efbfd4f0,efbfde58) at _syscall+0x127 _Xsyscall() at _Xsyscall+0x35 --- syscall 0x80, eip = 0x80416e1, esp = 0xefbfd4b8, ebp = 0xefbfde58 > phk 1997/09/03 02:18:50 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/kern vfs_subr.c > Log: > Revert the v_usecount handling in relation to VOP_INACTIVE. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.98 +2 -7 src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 08:25:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18224 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leech.mpg.uni-jena.de (leech.mpg.uni-jena.de [141.35.24.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA18214 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by leech.mpg.uni-jena.de (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA03278; Wed, 3 Sep 97 16:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <9709031623.AA03278@leech.mpg.uni-jena.de> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Heiko Schafberg Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 16:23:40 GMT To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe Heiko Schafberg From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 10:32:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25244 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25235 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21711; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970903103227.21443@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:32:27 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Simon Shapiro , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall.fdisk display problem References: <19970829080045.HW53717@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199709031121.NAA23797@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199709031121.NAA23797@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Wed, Sep 03, 1997 at 01:21:01PM +0200 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eivind Eklund scribbled this message on Sep 3: > > Simon Just came back from miniature vacation and has this to add: > > > > If I want to build, say 2.2 (the machine is -current), I do this: > > > > cd /usr/src > > rm * > > ln -s /usr/src/2.2/src/* . > > cd 2.2/src > > make buildworld > ../build.out 2>&1& > > tail -f ../build.out > > I don't think the ln -s step should be necessary anymore. > > I think this commit marked the end of that dependency: well.. yes for -current.. but there still is a dependance in the RELENG_2.2 branch on /usr/src/lib/libc/i386/DEFS.h in src/lib/msun/i386/*... right now I'm trying to merge in Bruce's changes in that area.. but there were a number of 'em... and still haven't made buildworld to complete yet... unless Bruce wants to merge them in himself... I'll continue finding what needs to be changed... > From: Bruce Evans > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <199708261413.HAA08872@freefall.freebsd.org> > To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-release@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: cvs commit: src/release/sysinstall Makefile > > bde 1997/08/26 07:13:51 PDT > > Modified files: > release/sysinstall Makefile > Log: > -I/sys -> ${.CURDIR}/../../sys. This should finish replacing /sys by > a relative path. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.62 +2 -1 src/release/sysinstall/Makefile > > > (I seem to remember a previous commit claiming the rest of the problem > had been solved, but I might have been wrong - I couldn't find it with > a simple search). well... I did a commit on all the obvious once... but then there were still a few more that was in a form of -I${DESTDIR}/usr/src/sys that I missed, but Bruce committed... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 14:01:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA07170 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07165 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id OAA28066 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:00:47 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id RAA16735; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:00:43 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08594; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:00:43 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA03566; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199709032100.QAA03566@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn To: current@freebsd.org Subject: -UCOMPAT_43 problem X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk cvs diff sys/net/if.c Index: sys/net/if.c =================================================================== RCS file: /work/repository/FreeBSD/src/sys/net/if.c,v retrieving revision 1.51 diff -r1.51 if.c 662c662,663 < ifp)); --- > ifp, > p)); From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 14:33:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA08846 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inga.augusta.de (root@inga.augusta.de [193.175.23.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08836 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rabbit by inga.augusta.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0x6MyS-004d2NC; Wed, 3 Sep 97 23:28 MET DST Received: by rabbit.augusta.de via sendmail with stdio id for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:31:06 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-May-22) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: shanee@augusta.de Organization: Privat Site running FreeBSD-current X-Mail-Attention: It is forbidden by law to send unwanted mail to this account! References: <19970825221625.33901@keltia.freenix.fr> In-Reply-To: <19970825221625.33901@keltia.freenix.fr> From: shanee@augusta.de (Andreas Kohout) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) X-Original-Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.current To: current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <19970825221625.33901@keltia.freenix.fr>, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) writes: OR> According to Søren Schmidt: OR> > dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k OR> > 1600+0 records in OR> > 1600+0 records out OR> > 104857600 bytes transferred in 11.357939 secs (9232097 bytes/sec) OR> OR> Nice. OR> OR> Here are some data points as well. sd1 is an IBM DCAS 34330W (used here in OR> narrow mode only), sd0 is a IBM DORS 32160; both are on the same ASUS OR> SC-200. FYI: a IBM DCAS 34330W normal mounted on SC 200 root:/usr/local/src# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 12.862972 secs (8151895 bytes/sec) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 16:38:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA15452 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15447 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA05084 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:37:43 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA10986; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:50:06 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970904085006.01044@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:50:06 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD current users Subject: Sporadic memory allocation problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody else seen this? I got a message from Wolfram Schneider yesterday: > $ telnet freebie.lemis.com > Trying 192.109.197.137... > Connected to freebie.lemis.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > inetd in realloc(): warning: junk pointer, too low to make sense. > > FreeBSD (freebie.lemis.com) (ttypd) > > login: It was repeatable, but it didn't stop login, so I didn't pay much attention. Then my daily backup stopped with the same message, though all I saw in the log file was: select: protocol failure in circuit setup This was repeatable, but it was late in the evening, so I rebooted the machine, and the problem went away. I know it's not enough to go on, but it's worth a "heads up". Has anybody else seen this? Greg From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 17:48:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20370 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20365 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Received: (from lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA27340 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709040045.RAA27340@george.arc.nasa.gov> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In re: dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k "dd" is a nice benchmark for some purposes, but many people have frequent results from something a little closer to home. When building new kernels and doing "make world" and so on, I find that the system I use that is a 166 MHz Pentium (Triton I - no busmastering EIDE) EIDE + Seagate Medalist Pro drive (supposedly one of the fastest EIDE drives when I acquired it, recently) is about 2.5 - 3.0 X slower than the other system I use, a 200 MHz PPro (256K L1 cache) (ASUS Natoma) w/ Buslogic BT-958 and Quantum Atlas (I) (XP34300) [now almost two years old technology]. Now, I haven't checked to see how much of the difference is due to non-busmastering EIDE vs busmastering EIDE, (the Triton I doesn't do busmastering EIDE), how much is due to the slower seek/latency time of the Seagate, how much due to the slower CPU, but, one way or the other, the system with the fast SCSI drive sure is faster. Perhaps someone has studied these factors? I did a simple "make world" today (Wed Sep 3 17:17:18 PDT 1997), on the PPro200 SCSCI system, with today's 3.0-current, and the elapsed time was almost exactly 3 hours. It might be interesting to compare system components with faster/newer technology that can improve on the 3 hour time significantly (surely the Seagate Cheetah, IBM Ultrastar 2XP, and Quantum Atlas III are faster, perhaps, a PPro w/ 512 KB is significantly better, or possibly a Pentium II 266, although I suspect I/O is most of the time, not CPU compile time. How about a dual Natoma-based PPro 200 system using the new SMP kernel-possibly better I/O overlap, although, possibly it would thrash the disk and actually slow down the build. Maybe some SCSI controller is faster than the Buslogic, or maybe not?) So, any configurations out there significantly faster than 3 hours for a "make world" of 3.0-current? I doubt if any of those systems use EIDE disks, but, I have been wrong many times before. Results? From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 17:59:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA21267 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA21262 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10460 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Sep 1997 00:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709031332.WAA08596@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: KATO Takenori Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_subr.c Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll second that. Exactly. Simon Hi KATO Takenori; On 03-Sep-97 you wrote: > I got page fault at vgonel + 0x156. > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address = 0x0 > fault code = suprvisor write, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0134486 > statc pointer = 0x10:0xf43b0d34 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xf43b0d40 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 106 (dev_mkdb) > interrupt mask = > kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 > Stopped at _vgonel+0x156: movl %edx,0(%eax) > db> trace > _vgonel(f056b180,f050f400,f43b0da0,f01818db,f056b180) at _vgonel+0x156 > _vrecycle(f056b180,0,f050f400,f056b180,f050f400) at _vrecycle+0x19 > _ufs_inactive(f43b0db4) at _ufs_inactive+0x16b > _vputrele(f056b180,1,f43b0e88,f0185643,f056b180) at _vputrele+0f9 > _vput(f056b180) at _vput+0xd > _ufs_rename(f43b0ea8,f050f400,f01c0970,2,f0513580) at > _ufs_rename+0x85e > _rename(f050f400,f43b0f94,f43b0f84) at _rename+0x2e0 > _syscall(27,27,9000,efbfd4f0,efbfde58) at _syscall+0x127 > _Xsyscall() at _Xsyscall+0x35 > --- syscall 0x80, eip = 0x80416e1, esp = 0xefbfd4b8, ebp = 0xefbfde58 > > > > phk 1997/09/03 02:18:50 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > sys/kern vfs_subr.c > > Log: > > Revert the v_usecount handling in relation to VOP_INACTIVE. > > > > Revision Changes Path > > 1.98 +2 -7 src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c > > > ---- > KATO Takenori > Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan > PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp > ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 03-Sep-97, 17:51:07 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 19:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA27161 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27001; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl3) with ESMTP id LAA09692; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:42:19 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199709040242.LAA09692@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: phk@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_subr.c From: KATO Takenori In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:29:43 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199709031329.GAA21571@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:42:19 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > phk 1997/09/03 06:29:42 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/kern vfs_subr.c > Log: > Hmm, this is hopefully better. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.99 +3 -7 src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c This fixes: > Subject: deadlock in vgonel() by unionfs operation and > I got page fault at vgonel + 0x156. ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 21:05:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA02372 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (ken@mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02362 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07230; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:05:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Kenneth Merry Message-Id: <199709040405.WAA07230@pluto.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: 3.0/SMP panic In-Reply-To: <199709030758.AAA07447@schizo.cdsnet.net> from Jaye Mathisen at "Sep 3, 97 00:58:29 am" To: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jaye Mathisen wrote... > > Hmm... 3.0-current (supped 9/2/97), DPT RAID. fpx0, not a whole lot else. > > I was using M$ Inetload 2.0 to simulate a bunch of mail users. IT was > running fine for a few minutes, then died horribly with: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > cpuid = 1 > lapic.id = 33554432 > > current process = Idle > mp_lock = 01000003 > > interrupt mask = net tty bio <- SMP: XXX > > Stopped at _pmap_enter+0xa7: > > > and some other stuff. > > The traceback is not too long, but I don't have any good way to type it > all in. > > It goes like: [ traceback ] By any chance do you have more than 64MB in your machine and options MAXMEM=... in your kernel config file? I did, and I had panics very much like that (in pmap_enter) immediately on boot. When I took the MAXMEM line out (I've got 128MB), things worked just fine... I'm still not sure why, though. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 22:32:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06764 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06742 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) id AAA03246; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199709040531.AAA03246@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: 3.0/SMP panic In-Reply-To: <199709040405.WAA07230@pluto.plutotech.com> from Kenneth Merry at "Sep 3, 97 10:05:31 pm" To: ken@plutotech.com (Kenneth Merry) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:31:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kenneth Merry said: > > By any chance do you have more than 64MB in your machine and > options MAXMEM=... in your kernel config file? > > I did, and I had panics very much like that (in pmap_enter) > immediately on boot. When I took the MAXMEM line out (I've got 128MB), > things worked just fine... I'm still not sure why, though. > > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com > I have been having the same panic at pmap_enter (note that it ISN'T a pmap_enter bug.) At least I can reproduce it, and it appears to be excited by simple (kernel) code mods or movement. There is a problem lurking, and I have spent the last 4-5 days trying to track it down. I am now more methodically trying to ferret the problem out, and am trying to fix it ASAP. It has held up my deliverables and it NEEDS to be fixed!!! :-(. -- John dyson@freebsd.org jdyson@nc.com From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 3 23:47:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA10564 for current-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10363 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA00354; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:25:46 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199709040625.IAA00354@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) In-Reply-To: <199709040045.RAA27340@george.arc.nasa.gov> from "lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov" at "Sep 3, 97 05:45:27 pm" To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:25:46 +0200 (MEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov who wrote: > > I did a simple "make world" today (Wed Sep 3 17:17:18 PDT 1997), > on the PPro200 SCSCI system, with today's 3.0-current, and the > elapsed time was almost exactly 3 hours. It might be interesting > to compare system components with faster/newer technology that > can improve on the 3 hour time significantly (surely the Seagate > Cheetah, IBM Ultrastar 2XP, and Quantum Atlas III are faster, > perhaps, a PPro w/ 512 KB is significantly better, or possibly > a Pentium II 266, although I suspect I/O is most of the time, > not CPU compile time. How about a dual Natoma-based PPro 200 > system using the new SMP kernel-possibly better I/O overlap, > although, possibly it would thrash the disk and actually slow > down the build. Maybe some SCSI controller is faster than > the Buslogic, or maybe not?) > > So, any configurations out there significantly faster than 3 hours > for a "make world" of 3.0-current? I doubt if any of those systems > use EIDE disks, but, I have been wrong many times before. Results? Guess again :) My system P6@233/64M/2*4G Maxtor EIDE does a make world from -current in some 65 mins (that is 1 hour 5 mins) :) So tell me again that SCSI is faster :) "the times they are achangeing" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 01:30:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15452 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bedroom.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15446 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by bedroom.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA03550; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:31:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bedroom.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:31:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Andreas Kohout cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA15447 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Andreas Kohout wrote: > OR> According to Søren Schmidt: > OR> > dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k > OR> > 1600+0 records in > OR> > 1600+0 records out > OR> > 104857600 bytes transferred in 11.357939 secs (9232097 bytes/sec) > OR> > OR> Nice. > OR> > OR> Here are some data points as well. sd1 is an IBM DCAS 34330W (used here in > OR> narrow mode only), sd0 is a IBM DORS 32160; both are on the same ASUS > OR> SC-200. > > FYI: a IBM DCAS 34330W normal mounted on SC 200 > > root:/usr/local/src# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k > 1600+0 records in > 1600+0 records out > 104857600 bytes transferred in 12.862972 secs (8151895 bytes/sec) hcs:/home/drussell {1} dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=64k 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 11.416036 secs (9185115 bytes/sec) Disk is a Western Digital 3.1 Gig on an ASUS TX-97E with a K6-166 running at 75x2.5 = 187.5 MHz. With the bus at 83 Mhz (x2 = 166 Mhz) it runs about 10.5-11 megs/sec, but my kernel make time drops by about 8 seconds. I don't want to run it at 83x2.5, as it is getting a little fast for a 166 Mhz chip. Besides, at 187.5 MHz, make world on a couple of days ago -stable takes 2:28. And it did several consecutive make worlds, so I figure it's working fine. (For now, anyway.) I was impressed with the disk speed, though. Not bad for EIDE, and no DMA installed. I haven't had a chance to play with the new DMA driver yet. Later...... From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 03:07:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA19239 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA19234 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA14927 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:56 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA17366; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:35:45 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970904193544.01440@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:35:44 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD current users Subject: find broken in yesterday's -current? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've had a couple of incidents of this in a find supped this morning: $ find man -type f find: ): no beginning '(' There's nothing wrong with the directory, and GNU find works just fine. So did the old /usr/bin/find. Greg From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 07:35:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA02113 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA02092 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA01369 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:34:24 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199709041434.QAA01369@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: How did this file get in there ??? To: current@freebsd.org (FreeBSD current) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:34:24 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just loaded the latest ctm-cvs-cur, and this looks bad: ctm_rmail: ctm: > FM src/sys/miscfs/.nfsA596a4.4 How did THAT happen ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 09:32:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09675 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09669 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA00269 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:32:31 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.6/brasil-1.2) with UUCP id SAA03156 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:32:17 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.7/keltia-uucp-2.9) id IAA11056; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:07:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970904080707.05912@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:07:07 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) References: <199709040045.RAA27340@george.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <199709040045.RAA27340@george.arc.nasa.gov>; from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov on Wed, Sep 03, 1997 at 05:45:27PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3592 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov: > So, any configurations out there significantly faster than 3 hours > for a "make world" of 3.0-current? I doubt if any of those systems > use EIDE disks, but, I have been wrong many times before. Results? PPro/200, 256 KB cache , 64 MB RAM, Adaptec 7880, 2x SCSI drives @ 7200 rpm, "make world" is about 1h20. I get the same time more or less with my other system (K6/200, 512 KB cache, 64 MB RAM, 2x SC-200 with 2 SCSI drives @ 5400 rpm) when the K6 doesn't kill gcc... Important points for these "make world": all FS async, NOCLEAN defined but /usr/obj is empty. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #29: Tue Aug 26 21:05:09 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 10:24:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12483 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12315; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09408; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709041720.LAA09408@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0/SMP panic In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Sep 1997 00:31:20 CDT." <199709040531.AAA03246@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:20:37 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John, > I have been having the same panic at pmap_enter (note that it ISN'T a > pmap_enter bug.) At least I can reproduce it, and it appears to be excited > by simple (kernel) code mods or movement. There is a problem lurking, and I > have spent the last 4-5 days trying to track it down. I am now more > methodically trying to ferret the problem out, and am trying to fix it ASAP. > It has held up my deliverables and it NEEDS to be fixed!!! :-(. one user reports this happens to him with SMP but not UP. In your setup where you can reproduce it, is it SMP only or UP also? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 10:34:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13110 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13009; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) id MAA01880; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:31:53 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199709041731.MAA01880@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: 3.0/SMP panic In-Reply-To: <199709041720.LAA09408@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "Sep 4, 97 11:20:37 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:31:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe said: > John, > > > I have been having the same panic at pmap_enter (note that it ISN'T a > > pmap_enter bug.) At least I can reproduce it, and it appears to be excited > > by simple (kernel) code mods or movement. There is a problem lurking, and I > > have spent the last 4-5 days trying to track it down. I am now more > > methodically trying to ferret the problem out, and am trying to fix it ASAP. > > It has held up my deliverables and it NEEDS to be fixed!!! :-(. > > one user reports this happens to him with SMP but not UP. In your setup > where you can reproduce it, is it SMP only or UP also? > I haven't been able to reproduce it in UP, but I really don't think that it is an SMP problem. However, that is only my "feeling." -- John dyson@freebsd.org jdyson@nc.com From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 11:24:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15014 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15000 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 721 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Sep 1997 18:24:33 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Make installworld Failure - Group network... Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As of last night, make installworld looks for group network and cannot find it. /usr/src/etc/group does not have it either. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 04-Sep-97, 11:19:25 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 12:37:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA18950 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arioch.uoregon.edu (arioch.uoregon.edu [128.223.36.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18939 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jl@localhost) by arioch.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24042 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Lackey To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make installworld Failure - Group ppp... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As of yesterday, September 3rd, around 1 pm, I had to add group ppp to /etc/group. Yet, I didn't have to add group network. (During a 'make world'). Also, the install program for current (at least from about 3 or so days ago) had some problems with the text formating of the screen. (During disk partitioning.) Nothing too bad, but I thought I should mention it. -- jl@arioch.uoregon.edu On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Simon Shapiro wrote: > As of last night, make installworld looks for group network and cannot find > it. /usr/src/etc/group does not have it either. > > --- > > > Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 04-Sep-97, 11:19:25 > by XF-Mail) > > Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom > Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 > Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 > From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 13:30:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21297 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21291 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05084; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709042029.NAA05084@austin.polstra.com> To: sos@sos.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: How did this file get in there ??? In-Reply-To: <199709041434.QAA01369@sos.freebsd.dk> References: <199709041434.QAA01369@sos.freebsd.dk> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:29:12 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just loaded the latest ctm-cvs-cur, and this looks bad: > > ctm_rmail: ctm: > FM src/sys/miscfs/.nfsA596a4.4 > > How did THAT happen ?? NFS cruft, of course, but _exactly_ how it happened is a good question. Anyway, Chris Timmons reported it to me this morning and, in my new capacity as Assistant Source Repository Manager, I deleted it. (It had size 0.) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 18:24:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06387 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06382 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kinchenna (asd189.pi.net [145.220.192.189]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA21831; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:24:02 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:24:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:20:43 +0100 From: Guido Kollerie Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) To: current@freebsd.org Cc: Søren Schmidt X-Mailer: Z-Mail Pro 6.1 (Win32 - 021297) Evaluation Copy, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199709040625.IAA00354@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > So, any configurations out there significantly faster than 3 hours > > for a "make world" of 3.0-current? I doubt if any of those systems > > use EIDE disks, but, I have been wrong many times before. Results? > > Guess again :) My system P6@233/64M/2*4G Maxtor EIDE does a > make world from -current in some 65 mins (that is 1 hour 5 mins) :) > > So tell me again that SCSI is faster :) I'm sure the figures would be rather different if we had an updated Buslogic driver. The current driver has no support for Command Tagged Queuing and DMA. Nevertheless 65 min. is really impressive for an EIDE system. -- Guido Kollerie From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 19:23:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA09862 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (root@mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09857 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08802; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709050223.UAA08802@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Guido Kollerie cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, S ren Schmidt Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI was: flags 80ff works (like anybody doubted it) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 1997 03:20:43 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:20:38 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm sure the figures would be rather different if we had an updated >Buslogic driver. The current driver has no support for Command Tagged >Queuing and DMA. The Buslogic driver has always supported DMA, but the lack of tagged queuing support is big problem with that driver. >-- >Guido Kollerie -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 4 22:28:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02597 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02518 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA24633 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:02:04 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA00743; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:31:52 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970905143151.18150@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:31:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD current users Subject: Thursday's -current page faults in kernel mode on boot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just rebooted with a kernel built yesterday, supped at about 3am our time (18:30 UTC on Wednesday, 3 September). It doesn't make it through the boot. I was also unable to get a dump: after entering 'pa' to ddb, it just rebooted without dumping. Possibly it hadn't got round to mounting the swap partition. Anyway, the process that died was an 'rm'. Here's the stack trace. vgonel+0x156 vrecycle+0x19 ufs_inactive+0x16b vputrele+0xf9 vrele+0xd vnode_pager_dealloc+0x74 vm_pager_deallocate+0x16 vm_object_terminate+0x150 vm_object_deallocate+0x17f vputrele+0x6e vput+0xd ufs_remove+0x70 unlink+0x103 syscall Registers: cs 0x8 ds 0x10 es 0x10 ss 0x10 eax 0x0 ecx 0xf0726900 edx 0x0 ebx 0xf0726900 esp 0xf4ba7d78 ebp 0xf4ba7d84 esi 0xf0726900 edi 0xf0726900 efl 0x10246 If I have to, I can reboot and try things out. Greg From owner-freebsd-current Fri Sep 5 01:19:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA24741 for current-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA24736 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06981; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:18:57 +0200 (CEST) To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: Thursday's -current page faults in kernel mode on boot In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:31:51 +0930." <19970905143151.18150@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:18:56 +0200 Message-ID: <6979.873447536@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Upgrade, this is already fixed. Poul-Henning In message <19970905143151.18150@lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >I just rebooted with a kernel built yesterday, supped at about 3am our >time (18:30 UTC on Wednesday, 3 September). It doesn't make it >through the boot. I was also unable to get a dump: after entering >'pa' to ddb, it just rebooted without dumping. Possibly it hadn't got >round to mounting the swap partition. > >Anyway, the process that died was an 'rm'. Here's the stack trace. > >vgonel+0x156 >vrecycle+0x19 >ufs_inactive+0x16b -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-current Fri Sep 5 12:09:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25970 for current-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25960; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14813; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Jaye Mathisen cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:18:34 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:09:37 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Using DPT-1.2.4 with 3.0/SMP. > > I was running a test of adding 25000 accounts and removing them, and > making sure everything was hunky-dory, when the dreaded: > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" > db> > > Occurs. > > OK, Happened in the past. Hit the reset switch: "No Operating System". > Power-Cycle "No Operating System". Swear, curse, cry, yell, shake. > > Power-cycle it, and let it sit. It finally reboots, but the passwd file > .db's are completely hosed. and /etc/group is a goner. > > Makes me nervous to deploy this out in the sticks... I'm hoping it's just > an SMP or 3.0-current problem, as opposed to some deep dark nasty DPT > issue. SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right now! We KNOW we have a show-stopper in there... It probably affects ALL SMP systems, just bites some earlier than others. On the bright side, we are closing in on it, and hopefully will have a resolution by later today (no promises). -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Sep 5 12:58:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28252 for current-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28240; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09927; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Steve Passe cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. In-Reply-To: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My apologies. I'm well aware of the purpose of -current vs -stable. I was more concerned with the fact that it appears to be possible to get the DPT controller so scrambled up that a simple reboot doesn't reset it. Not anything with SMP/3.0... FWIW, I can still crash SMP/3.0 if I bump up InetLoad high enough, but I still can't crash a 3.0-uniprocessor kernel with no MAXMEM... Haven't supped since yesterday, given the headaches of applying the DPT patches all the time to the sys tree. I don't see this so much as a 3.0 problem, as a DPT issue, but I could be off base. Wouldn't be the first time... :0 On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > Using DPT-1.2.4 with 3.0/SMP. > > > > I was running a test of adding 25000 accounts and removing them, and > > making sure everything was hunky-dory, when the dreaded: > > > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" > > db> > > > > Occurs. > > > > OK, Happened in the past. Hit the reset switch: "No Operating System". > > Power-Cycle "No Operating System". Swear, curse, cry, yell, shake. > > > > Power-cycle it, and let it sit. It finally reboots, but the passwd file > > .db's are completely hosed. and /etc/group is a goner. > > > > Makes me nervous to deploy this out in the sticks... I'm hoping it's just > > an SMP or 3.0-current problem, as opposed to some deep dark nasty DPT > > issue. > > SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right now! > We KNOW we have a show-stopper in there... It probably affects ALL SMP > systems, just bites some earlier than others. > > On the bright side, we are closing in on it, and hopefully will have a > resolution by later today (no promises). > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > From owner-freebsd-current Fri Sep 5 22:05:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22554 for current-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22501 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16777 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 05:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Steve Passe Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Jaye Mathisen Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Steve Passe; On 05-Sep-97 you wrote: ... > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" This is when we get an error indication from the DPT controller, but have no clue what it is. ... > SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right > now! To add to Steve's message, I will quote the copyright notice on 1.2.4 DPT driver: .... * This is a proprietary, unpublished source code. No publishing, copying, * distribution or use permission is granted to anyone. * * If you want to use this product in any way, please contact the author by * sending email to shimon@i-connect.net .... The 1.2.4 driver (as you can clearly see is NOT in the public domain! Nor is it something you should grab, use without permission on an experimental version of the O/S, mess up something, complain about and recive much sympathy. I posted it on my personal machine as a means for experimenters who are generous and gracious enough to assist me in debugging it. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 05-Sep-97, 21:49:22 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Sep 5 22:05:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22566 for current-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22496 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16779 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 05:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Jaye Mathisen Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Passe Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jaye Mathisen; On 05-Sep-97 you wrote: > > My apologies. I'm well aware of the purpose of -current vs -stable. I > was more concerned with the fact that it appears to be possible to get > the > DPT controller so scrambled up that a simple reboot doesn't reset it. It (the DPT controller) is a computer with a precise and specific sequencer implemented in the EATA protocol. If the O/S is doing something strange, it may decide to stop playing. Besides, you have no real proof what hung up. I am not going to consider this a DPT driver bug until I see more data. > I don't see this so much as a 3.0 problem, as a DPT issue, but I could > be > off base. Wouldn't be the first time... :0 You are off base in this particular case. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 05-Sep-97, 21:55:33 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 03:54:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA08933 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 03:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morse.satech.net.au (morse.satech.net.au [203.56.210.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA08928 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 03:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matte.box.net.au (matte.satech.net.au [203.1.91.219]) by morse.satech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5.SAT.GJR.970426) with ESMTP id UAA21969; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:24:39 +0930 Received: from matte.box.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by matte.box.net.au (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05470; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:34:49 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <340F3E90.41C67EA6@box.net.au> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:34:48 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Bartol CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modifying boot mgrs FROM FREEBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I do this... Because I have a plug and pray sound card in a non plug and pray motherboard, I have to 'activate' the sound card from DOS with the "Intel Configuration Manager" before booting FreeBSD or the sound card will not be detected in the device probes. To do this I have set things up to default to booting my previous version of md-dos which has DWCFGMG.SYS in its config.sys (thus activating the card) then the autoexec.bat will re-write the boot block and reboot the machine thus booting into FreeBSD. I use the bootblock restore program from a utility called BOOTSAVE in DOS to manipulate the boot blocks and in FreeBSD on shutdown I use a script called "shutit" which is: dd if=/dos/boot.dos of=/dev/wd0 ibs=1 skip=4 count=512 sleep 1 shutdown -r now For those who dont know further details are: In my C:\MSDOS.W40 (msdos.sys in W95) in the [Options] section: BootMenu=1 ; show the W95 boot menu BootMenuDefault=8 ; default to previous version of ms-dos BootMenuDelay=5 ; give me 5 seconds to load W95 if I want then my C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT (autoexec.dos whilst in Win95 I think) I have: CHOICE /N /Ty,5 Rebooting to UNIX in 5 seconds (or press 'N' to stay with the DOG) IF ERRORLEVEL 2 GOTO SkipReboot ECHO Writing the FreeBSD bootblock and rebooting C:\UTILITY\BOOTSAVE\BOOTREST C:\BOOT.BSD REBOOT /F GOTO TheEnd :SkipReboot ECHO EGAD! You really want to use the DOG! :TheEnd You have to find a reboot utility also... its not standard with the DOG ! It seems to work most times for me... Sometimes bootrest wont write the bootblock. But FreeBSD has never failed to put my /dos/boot.dos bootblock back (on shutit) and I've never had a disk corruption problem. Use at your own risk naturally. Tom Bartol wrote: > > Would it be too weird to do the following quick and dirty thing completely > without the need for any documentation on which boot manager you're using: > > 1) setup your boot manager from dos or wherever necessary to do the > initial install. > > 2) boot into freebsd or linux and use dd to read the boot blocks off the > disk and into a file. > > 3) boot back into whatever environment can be used to "tune" your boot > manager and do whatever "tuning" strikes your fancy. > > 4) boot back into freebsd or linux and use dd to read the modified boot > blocks into a second file. > > 5) use diff or cmp to find out what effect your "tuning" had on the boot > blocks and try to deduce the logic (i.e. reverse engineer) the mods. > Hopefully this will not be very complicated. > > 6) you might then be able to use patch on your snap-shot copy of the boot > blocks to "tune" it from within freebsd of linux. If you're really > confident of your work you can then use dd to write your "tuned" boot > blocks back to where they belong. > > Just a thought... > > Tom > > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, George Michaelson wrote: > > > Four things: > > > > 1) at next boot, which of the menu of boot choices is to be the > > default ie under reboot, do you boot back into THIS unix or into > > W95, DOS, NetBSD, Linux etc > > > > 2) change the flag marking if the MBR is to be updated to reflect > > the current boot choice as the live preference. This is different > > to the above which states WHICH secondary boot is to be used, this > > marks if any alternate boot is actually taken because of keyboard > > selection, that the selection becomes the active default boot > > > > 3) change the textual stringprompts against each option > > > > 4) change which bootable partitions appear in the menu of choices > > > > -George > > -- /=====================================================================\ | Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@box.net.au | \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 08:47:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18768 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18763; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16604; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709061547.RAA16604@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: Simon Shapiro CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Simon Shapiro's message of Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. References: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Simon Shapiro ] > To add to Steve's message, I will quote the copyright notice on 1.2.4 DPT > driver: > > .... > > * This is a proprietary, unpublished source code. No publishing, copying, > * distribution or use permission is granted to anyone. > * > * If you want to use this product in any way, please contact the author by > * sending email to shimon@i-connect.net > > .... > > The 1.2.4 driver (as you can clearly see is NOT in the public domain! Nor > is it something you should grab, use without permission on an experimental > version of the O/S, mess up something, complain about and recive much > sympathy. > > I posted it on my personal machine as a means for experimenters who are > generous and gracious enough to assist me in debugging it. You're planning to change this copyright when the driver is stable, right? I'm asking because I'm likely to need to set up a FreeBSD server to tackle extreme I/O load in a while (~1/2 year, probably) and was thinking of this driver as one of the likely components. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 11:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA25984 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25974 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28181 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 18:31:50 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709061547.RAA16604@bitbox.follo.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Eivind Eklund; On 06-Sep-97 you wrote: ... > You're planning to change this copyright when the driver is stable, > right? I'm asking because I'm likely to need to set up a FreeBSD > server to tackle extreme I/O load in a while (~1/2 year, probably) and > was thinking of this driver as one of the likely components. But of course. It will have to be committed to the source tree. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 06-Sep-97, 11:18:24 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 12:09:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27234 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA27228 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7759 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1997 19:09:42 -0000 Received: from kairos.algonet.se (HELO kairos) (mal@194.213.74.18) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 6 Sep 1997 19:09:42 -0000 Received: (mal@localhost) by kairos (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) id VAA25891; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:09:41 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:09:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199709061909.VAA25891@kairos> From: Mats Lofkvist To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For fun I tested the dd benchmark on my new machine (intel providence board with pp200, 64M, quantum viking 4.5G uw connected to the aic7880). As long as I run the dd with the machine idle, I get over 10MB/s. But with a single cpu-bound process running, the throughput drops to less than 1.5MB/s with 64k blocks (and it gets even worse with smaller blocks). I tested with a few different block sizes, and it seems like dd never reads more than 20 records per second. Isn't the scheduler run when an io request returns? If not, shouldn't it ?-) This behaviour kills any advantage with scsi over eide since as soon as you start using all the cpu cycles not needed to talk to the disk, disk performance goes down the drain :-( I'm running 2.2.2 so I know this is the wrong list, but is current any different? _ Mats Lofkvist mal@algonet.se Details ------- Idle machine: bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=800 bs=128k 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 9.752697 secs (10751652 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=800 bs=64k 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 4.878517 secs (10746873 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=800 bs=32k 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 26214400 bytes transferred in 2.442630 secs (10732039 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=800 bs=16k 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 13107200 bytes transferred in 1.223625 secs (10711778 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=8k 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 13107200 bytes transferred in 1.414880 secs (9263824 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=1600 bs=4k 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 6553600 bytes transferred in 0.617373 secs (10615301 bytes/sec) With a single "nice -19 loop" running in the background: bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=128k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 26214400 bytes transferred in 19.079705 secs (1373942 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 13107200 bytes transferred in 9.549171 secs (1372601 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=32k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 6553600 bytes transferred in 9.599674 secs (682690 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=16k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 3276800 bytes transferred in 9.499696 secs (344937 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=8k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 1638400 bytes transferred in 9.519665 secs (172107 bytes/sec) bash# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=200 bs=4k 200+0 records in 200+0 records out 819200 bytes transferred in 9.419678 secs (86967 bytes/sec) The only things running on the machine not in the default configuration are mfs, named, sshd, cfsd, ppp and the xig X server. None of them used any noticeable amount of cpu. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 14:40:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04260 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04254 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA07333; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:40:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199709062140.XAA07333@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-Reply-To: <199709061909.VAA25891@kairos> from Mats Lofkvist at "Sep 6, 97 09:09:41 pm" To: mal@algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:40:24 +0200 (MEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Mats Lofkvist who wrote: > For fun I tested the dd benchmark on my new machine (intel providence > board with pp200, 64M, quantum viking 4.5G uw connected to the aic7880). > > As long as I run the dd with the machine idle, I get over 10MB/s. > But with a single cpu-bound process running, the throughput drops > to less than 1.5MB/s with 64k blocks (and it gets even worse with > smaller blocks). Hmm juist tried this on current with EIDE disk and DMA turned on: Machine is a P6@233/64M/Maxtor EIDE/current as of just now... Nice -19 loop (being a tight CPU loop). # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null count=800 bs=64k 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 10.904597 secs (4807954 bytes/sec) This is about half the rate as on an unloaded system... So maybe this is handled better in current, or EIDE w/DMA is not as bad as people think. The only advantage with SCSI these days seems to be the ability to add more than 4 devices easily, and to add them externally of the machine. But then again you have to pay solid bucks to get that :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 15:47:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06958 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usr07.primenet.com (tlambert@usr07.primenet.com [206.165.6.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06952 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28218 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:46:56 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199709062246.PAA28218@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Network configuration To: current@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:46:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been considering a couple of network configuration issues since going of to a hosted domain situation. Among other odd things, like host.conf not handling lookups locally without triggering a PPP auto connection, PPP timeouts don't seem to work (iijppp, of course). With the new rc.conf stuff, it looks like it's about time for a real overhaul of the network configuration stuff. Is anyone interest in hacking on this? I'm going to hack my box to make it happy, if nothing else. I was thinking in terms of list boxes for aliases, and checkboxes and Windows NT style configuration for PPP as a pseudo "adapter". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 17:28:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA12466 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12448 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17823; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970906172559.33659@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:25:59 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Matthew Thyer Cc: Tom Bartol , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modifying boot mgrs FROM FREEBSD References: <340F3E90.41C67EA6@box.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <340F3E90.41C67EA6@box.net.au>; from Matthew Thyer on Fri, Sep 05, 1997 at 08:34:48AM +0930 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matthew Thyer scribbled this message on Sep 5: > I do this... why not just use fbsdboot.{com,exe} from the cdrom or another location? it will either boot a kernel off the dos partition or I think it will even load a kernel off a ufs partition... seems that would be easier than playing around with your boot blocks... > Because I have a plug and pray sound card in a non plug and pray > motherboard, I have to 'activate' the sound card from DOS with the > "Intel Configuration Manager" before booting FreeBSD or the sound > card will not be detected in the device probes. To do this I have > set things up to default to booting my previous version of md-dos > which has DWCFGMG.SYS in its config.sys (thus activating the card) > then the autoexec.bat will re-write the boot block and reboot the > machine thus booting into FreeBSD. > > I use the bootblock restore program from a utility called BOOTSAVE > in DOS to manipulate the boot blocks and in FreeBSD on shutdown I > use a script called "shutit" which is: > > dd if=/dos/boot.dos of=/dev/wd0 ibs=1 skip=4 count=512 > sleep 1 > shutdown -r now > > For those who dont know further details are: > > In my C:\MSDOS.W40 (msdos.sys in W95) in the [Options] section: > > BootMenu=1 ; show the W95 boot menu > BootMenuDefault=8 ; default to previous version of ms-dos > BootMenuDelay=5 ; give me 5 seconds to load W95 if I want > > then my C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT (autoexec.dos whilst in Win95 I think) I have: > > CHOICE /N /Ty,5 Rebooting to UNIX in 5 seconds (or press 'N' to stay > with the DOG) > IF ERRORLEVEL 2 GOTO SkipReboot > ECHO Writing the FreeBSD bootblock and rebooting > C:\UTILITY\BOOTSAVE\BOOTREST C:\BOOT.BSD > REBOOT /F > GOTO TheEnd > :SkipReboot > ECHO EGAD! You really want to use the DOG! > :TheEnd > > You have to find a reboot utility also... its not standard with the DOG > ! > > It seems to work most times for me... Sometimes bootrest wont write the > bootblock. But FreeBSD has never failed to put my /dos/boot.dos > bootblock > back (on shutit) and I've never had a disk corruption problem. > > Use at your own risk naturally. > > Tom Bartol wrote: > > > > Would it be too weird to do the following quick and dirty thing completely > > without the need for any documentation on which boot manager you're using: > > > > 1) setup your boot manager from dos or wherever necessary to do the > > initial install. > > > > 2) boot into freebsd or linux and use dd to read the boot blocks off the > > disk and into a file. > > > > 3) boot back into whatever environment can be used to "tune" your boot > > manager and do whatever "tuning" strikes your fancy. > > > > 4) boot back into freebsd or linux and use dd to read the modified boot > > blocks into a second file. > > > > 5) use diff or cmp to find out what effect your "tuning" had on the boot > > blocks and try to deduce the logic (i.e. reverse engineer) the mods. > > Hopefully this will not be very complicated. > > > > 6) you might then be able to use patch on your snap-shot copy of the boot > > blocks to "tune" it from within freebsd of linux. If you're really > > confident of your work you can then use dd to write your "tuned" boot > > blocks back to where they belong. > > > > Just a thought... > > > > Tom > > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, George Michaelson wrote: > > > > > Four things: > > > > > > 1) at next boot, which of the menu of boot choices is to be the > > > default ie under reboot, do you boot back into THIS unix or into > > > W95, DOS, NetBSD, Linux etc > > > > > > 2) change the flag marking if the MBR is to be updated to reflect > > > the current boot choice as the live preference. This is different > > > to the above which states WHICH secondary boot is to be used, this > > > marks if any alternate boot is actually taken because of keyboard > > > selection, that the selection becomes the active default boot > > > > > > 3) change the textual stringprompts against each option > > > > > > 4) change which bootable partitions appear in the menu of choices > > > > > > -George > > > > > -- > /=====================================================================\ > | Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@box.net.au | > \=====================================================================/ > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 18:25:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16432 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@haiti-71.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16417 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17595 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Reply-To: Alex To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-Reply-To: <199709061909.VAA25891@kairos> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Mats Lofkvist wrote: > For fun I tested the dd benchmark on my new machine (intel providence > board with pp200, 64M, quantum viking 4.5G uw connected to the aic7880). > > As long as I run the dd with the machine idle, I get over 10MB/s. > But with a single cpu-bound process running, the throughput drops > to less than 1.5MB/s with 64k blocks (and it gets even worse with > smaller blocks). > > I tested with a few different block sizes, and it seems like dd > never reads more than 20 records per second. Isn't the scheduler > run when an io request returns? If not, shouldn't it ?-) > > This behaviour kills any advantage with scsi over eide since as > soon as you start using all the cpu cycles not needed to talk to > the disk, disk performance goes down the drain :-( > > I'm running 2.2.2 so I know this is the wrong list, but is current > any different? I'm running a P166/64mb Ram/7880 (Ultra Wide), Quantum Fireball 3.2gb (Ultra not Wide), and a Quantum Lightning 740 (Fast SCSI-2). The Fireball is my main drive, and the Lightning has the /usr/home and /mnt/dos0 partitons. Make world involved running make world and waiting for the cleanup stuff and the depend stuff to finish, and then starting dd. I had previously ran x and the Bovine rc5 client, but that made a minimal differnce. The Lightning is drive #2 (id 1), and in actual use is much slower *shrug*. #rsd0 no load no x 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 18.281164 secs (2867914 bytes/sec) #rsd1 no load no x 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 14.177823 secs (3697944 bytes/sec) #rsd0 make world no x 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 25.763400 secs (2035011 bytes/sec) #rsd1 make world no x 800+0 records in 800+0 records out 52428800 bytes transferred in 14.324715 secs (3660024 bytes/sec) - alex From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 18:28:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16550 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uniserve.com (dns1-van.uniserve.com [204.244.163.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16538 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252] by mail.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0x7WBl-0004yn-00; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:30:58 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Matthew Thyer cc: Tom Bartol , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: modifying boot mgrs FROM FREEBSD In-Reply-To: <340F3E90.41C67EA6@box.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Matthew Thyer wrote: > I do this... > > Because I have a plug and pray sound card in a non plug and pray > motherboard, I have to 'activate' the sound card from DOS with the > "Intel Configuration Manager" before booting FreeBSD or the sound > card will not be detected in the device probes. To do this I have > set things up to default to booting my previous version of md-dos > which has DWCFGMG.SYS in its config.sys (thus activating the card) > then the autoexec.bat will re-write the boot block and reboot the > machine thus booting into FreeBSD. > > I use the bootblock restore program from a utility called BOOTSAVE > in DOS to manipulate the boot blocks and in FreeBSD on shutdown I > use a script called "shutit" which is: Or you could just use the fbsdboot.exe from DOS, to boot right into FreeBSD without messing with boot managers. fbsdboot.exe is in /usr/mdec Tom From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 19:12:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA19463 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (root@mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19451 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26212; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709070212.UAA26212@pluto.plutotech.com> To: S ren Schmidt cc: mal@algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:40:24 +0200." <199709062140.XAA07333@sos.freebsd.dk> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:09:30 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This is about half the rate as on an unloaded system... >So maybe this is handled better in current, or EIDE w/DMA is not >as bad as people think. The only advantage with SCSI these days >seems to be the ability to add more than 4 devices easily, and >to add them externally of the machine. But then again you have to >pay solid bucks to get that :) Don't forget tagged queueing. >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team > Even more code to hack -- will it ever end >.. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 19:44:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA21024 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20996; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23614; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709070243.UAA23614@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: smp@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: FIXED: Fatal trap 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:43:59 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, John found and fixed the "Fatal trap 12" bug in SMP. It fixes the problem for both his and my test cases. The fix has been committed to freefall. For the impatient behind slow mirrors, the patch: ------------------------------------ cut ------------------------------------ *** pmap.c.orig 1997/09/07 01:55:48 --- pmap.c 1997/09/07 01:55:57 *************** *** 1464,1470 **** pdir_pde(PTD, kernel_vm_end) = (pd_entry_t) (VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(nkp g) | PG_V | PG_RW | pgeflag); #ifdef SMP ! for (i = 0; i < mp_naps; i++) { if (IdlePTDS[i]) pdir_pde(IdlePTDS[i], kernel_vm_end) = (pd_entry _t) (VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(nkpg) | PG_V | PG_RW | pgeflag); } --- 1464,1470 ---- pdir_pde(PTD, kernel_vm_end) = (pd_entry_t) (VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(nkp g) | PG_V | PG_RW | pgeflag); #ifdef SMP ! for (i = 0; i < mp_ncpus; i++) { if (IdlePTDS[i]) pdir_pde(IdlePTDS[i], kernel_vm_end) = (pd_entry _t) (VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(nkpg) | PG_V | PG_RW | pgeflag); } ------------------------------------ cut ------------------------------------ -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 21:07:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA24500 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA24493 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04801; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709070407.VAA04801@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: S ren Schmidt cc: mal@algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist), current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 06 Sep 97 23:40:24 +0200. <199709062140.XAA07333@sos.freebsd.dk> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 21:07:02 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This is about half the rate as on an unloaded system... >So maybe this is handled better in current, or EIDE w/DMA is not >as bad as people think. The only advantage with SCSI these days >seems to be the ability to add more than 4 devices easily, and >to add them externally of the machine. But then again you have to >pay solid bucks to get that :) Why is it necessary to bring this up over and over again. There is much more to SCSI for high-end systems. Like drives spread across bunches of controllers. Tagged-command-queuing, which allows multiple outstanding commands to multiple drives, on multiple conrollers, simultaneously, which is a BIG win on large ccd stiped partitions. Etc. Of course, if you're comparing systems with one or two drives, there probably isn't going to be a lot of difference. EIDE by itself isn't slow -- it's just inefficient for lots of disk traffic, especially with lots of disks. I ran some tests myself. The drop-off was much less on my system. Of course, my systems is very different. I ran it against a ccd spread over four 1GB SCSI drives, and three SCSI controllers (a 2940UW and a dual-channel 3940UW), with tagged-command-queuing enabled. It's an Asus Triton-1 board (P55TP4N) with a Cyrix 6x86 P166+, 64MB RAM, running NetBSD-1.2.1. "No load" means all the standard system processes are running, along with a few X apps, but nothing using any real CPU time. Loadit was a simple program I wrote (appended at the bottom), which simply generated a constant load of one process, each. I don't mean this in a condescending way, but I'd really like to see this same kind of test run against four ccd-striped EIDE drives, running in both PIO mode, and in DMA mode. Anyone have four drives they could test it with? I only have a couple, and one is committed elsewhere. Here are the results from the tests I ran: time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, no load: 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) 0.026u 1.726s 0:35.27 4.9% 0+0k 6+1io 10pf+0w time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, 1 loadit: 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) 0.021u 1.727s 0:35.46 4.9% 0+0k 0+1io 0pf+0w time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, 4 loadits: 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) 0.021u 1.715s 0:35.17 4.9% 0+0k 0+1io 0pf+0w iozone, no other load: 16 512 7390844 3695422 16 1024 7695970 3608003 16 2048 7695970 3623588 16 4096 7951287 3608003 16 8192 7839820 3592551 iozone, 1 loadit: 16 512 5537034 3813003 16 1024 7695970 3615779 16 2048 7731435 3562041 16 4096 7876627 3655166 16 8192 7839820 3615779 iozone, 4 loadits: 16 512 2176033 3245109 16 1024 3189584 3509877 16 2048 5429519 3466366 16 4096 5226547 3711773 16 8192 7731435 3577231 bonnie, no other load: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 5971 97.2 6639 35.8 1455 8.0 3667 52.4 3786 10.8 68.7 2.5 24.756u 22.249s 3:42.11 21.1% 0+0k 22931+19721io 14pf+0w bonnie, 1 loadit: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 3281 53.5 6732 36.3 1469 8.1 3431 48.8 3837 10.9 68.0 2.6 24.549u 22.408s 3:57.36 19.7% 0+0k 22949+19727io 14pf+0w bonnie, 4 loadits: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 1258 20.6 4695 24.8 1464 8.1 1370 19.7 3762 10.9 68.2 2.5 24.368u 22.793s 5:40.27 13.8% 0+0k 22951+19732io 14pf+0w Here's loadit: int main() { while (1) { /* no code */; } } ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 22:14:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27493 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27480 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) id AAA00465; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199709070512.AAA00465@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-Reply-To: <199709070407.VAA04801@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Sep 6, 97 09:07:02 pm" To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:12:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: sos@sos.freebsd.dk, mal@algonet.se, current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com said: > > Why is it necessary to bring this up over and over again. > Because I think that people sometimes think that the world changes from time to time. SCSI is really great in large high-end systems for sure. EIDE isn't the joke that IDE was 4-5yrs ago though. > > It's an Asus Triton-1 board (P55TP4N) with a Cyrix 6x86 P166+, 64MB > RAM, running NetBSD-1.2.1. "No load" means all the standard system > processes are running, along with a few X apps, but nothing using any > real CPU time. Loadit was a simple program I wrote (appended at the > bottom), which simply generated a constant load of one process, each. > Yep, I don't understand the fall off that others have seen. In fact, we have more complaints about I/O not being counted properly in system load and tasks doing I/O appear to have too high a priority. We have some mods that help the situation, but there are tradeoffs. > > I don't mean this in a condescending way, but I'd really like to see > this same kind of test run against four ccd-striped EIDE drives, > running in both PIO mode, and in DMA mode. Anyone have four drives > they could test it with? I only have a couple, and one is committed > elsewhere. > > Here are the results from the tests I ran: > > time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, no load: > > 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) > 0.026u 1.726s 0:35.27 4.9% 0+0k 6+1io 10pf+0w > > time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, 1 loadit: > > 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) > 0.021u 1.727s 0:35.46 4.9% 0+0k 0+1io 0pf+0w > > time dd if=/dev/rccd0f of=/dev/null bs=64k count=4096, 4 loadits: > > 268435456 bytes transferred in 35 secs (7669584 bytes/sec) > 0.021u 1.715s 0:35.17 4.9% 0+0k 0+1io 0pf+0w > > Here are my dd results for my EIDE 4GB Caviar drive -- NO STRIPING, running FreeBSD-current: I wonder how it would be to add a Promise EIDE controller, and run one drive per EIDE interface??? I do have one of those Promise controllers, and will probably add support in FreeBSD soon. Maybe I'll try ccd then :-). Sorry that I didn't have time for a scientific measurement, but I would be interested in running some packaged benchmarks. (BTW, the command overhead for my 4GB Caviar is about 80-100usecs also... Older Caviars get about 200-400usecs.) My 2GB Hawk with an NCR controller gets about 800usecs. IDE isn't a toy any more, but it also isn't for every application either. No load: dd if=/dev/rwd1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1600 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 10.848874 secs (9665298 bytes/sec) One loadit: ./loadit & dd if=/dev/rwd1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1600 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 10.864632 secs (9651279 bytes/sec) Two loadits: ./loadit & dd if=/dev/rwd1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1600 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 10.841087 secs (9672240 bytes/sec) Four loadits: ./loadit & ./loadit & dd if=/dev/rwd1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1600 1600+0 records in 1600+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 10.835611 secs (9677129 bytes/sec) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 23:46:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01014 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01005; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05492; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709070646.XAA05492@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: dyson@freebsd.org cc: sos@sos.freebsd.dk, mal@algonet.se, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 07 Sep 97 00:12:32 -0500. <199709070512.AAA00465@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:46:32 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com said: >> Why is it necessary to bring this up over and over again. >Because I think that people sometimes think that the world changes >from time to time. SCSI is really great in large high-end systems >for sure. EIDE isn't the joke that IDE was 4-5yrs ago though. Point taken. EIDE is vastly better than it was several years ago. And how many people have shown, individual EIDE drives can be quite fast on simple tests. On the other hand, SCSI hasn't been sitting still, either. And, as always, it's possible to buy SCSI components that will out-perform the best EIDE systems, possibly by a lot, depending on the setup. Generally, the top-end of SCSI is a bit higher than the top-end of EIDE (i. e. bigger 10000 and 7200 RPM SCSI drives, vs. 5400 RPM EIDE drives). This is ignoring the gains the SCSI "protocol" on the wire gives over the EIDE/ATAPI "protocol". This was the point I was trying to make. :-) However, once again, for small systems, you might not see a big difference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 6 23:58:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01732 for current-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA01705 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3879 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Sep 1997 06:58:22 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709070512.AAA00465@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, mal@algonet.se, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi "John S. Dyson"; On 07-Sep-97 you wrote: What you are all running into is the fact that, for a smoothly run system, you need a certain balance between I/O, memory (capacity & bandwidth, both), and CPU. If you compare a 14" disk pack from the mid-seventies (SMDE) to a disk drive of today, you see that capacity climbed nicely (about 30x), performance has barely moved (I am NOT talking about 5MB Shugart 5.25"!), being that a good SMDE drive could do about 5MB/sec or even better, while CPU's jumped almost 300x! Now many of you have machines with more processing power (cached loops) than any old machine, but memory bandwidth sucks and disk I/O is pittyful. Some of us make a nice living stretching what disks can do, but they are about the speed of a good paper-tape punch on an IBM 360. Much slower than a card reader (in relative terms). BTW, the architecture (in realizable terms) of the typical disk controller has not changed at all since the IBM-PC, and even the best caching SCSI controller is primitive when compared to a 1963 IBM mainframe, and not much faster. The young ones amoung you, I have a challenge for you (old folks like me can think no more :-): Don't bellyache about disk performance. It will just get worst (at 50%/year, last I checked). Come up with a new I/O ARCHITECTURE. Totally new. The first one to come up with a truely random storage device with capacity of 1GB and performance of (sustained) 100MB/Sec will make more money than BG thought exists. Be good and prosper! --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 06-Sep-97, 23:35:32 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313