From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 20:01:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05039 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05033 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA17672; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970921230233.54358@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:02:33 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: My monitor's got the Shakes... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). Any idea what the cause could be?? This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or so. TIA for any tips, like "you can fix this by .." :-) -mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in the future." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 20:41:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA06851 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [206.246.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06846 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [206.246.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA24552; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:40:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: <19970921230233.54358@vinyl.quickweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > so. Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. It sounds like arcing somewhere in the HV section. Can you literally hear it? As the capacitors get older, sometimes they go bad. If you're lucky, that's it. If you're not, it could be something expensive, like a transformer arcing. Affecting multiple sections also makes it sound like the power. One other thing to watch for ... MAGs can't stand overheating. You don't have some printouts laying on the top of the monitor, do you? > > TIA for any tips, like "you can fix this by .." :-) > > -mark > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com > RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark > > finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how > idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in > the future." --Scott Adams > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 21:01:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA07908 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07902 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA18024; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970922000212.52880@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:02:12 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: Chuck Robey Cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970921230233.54358@vinyl.quickweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:40:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:40:39PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > > so. > > Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. What model? > > It sounds like arcing somewhere in the HV section. Can you literally hear > it? Hmmm. I haven't really heard anything, but when you mentioned it I put my ear on the side of the thing -- all I heard was a slight buzz sound, and an occasional crackle, which sounded a lot like a static discharge. There doesn't seem to be a connection with the "shake/jitter" and the sound inside the monitor though. > As the capacitors get older, sometimes they go bad. If you're lucky, > that's it. If you're not, it could be something expensive, like a > transformer arcing. Affecting multiple sections also makes it sound like > the power. It's very small jitter, and very rapid - I'm not imagining an 'arc' producing this, but I have no knowledge about how monitors work at all! I've been told that the ghosting I'm experiencing is a common sign of the capacitors getting old and bad -- if they are inexpensive then I certainly hope the capacitors are the problem. How much does a repair like that usually cost? > > One other thing to watch for ... MAGs can't stand overheating. You don't > have some printouts laying on the top of the monitor, do you? No, I keep it wide open, since I noticed long ago that the thing gets pretty darn hot. In fact, I've thought about opening up the ventilation holes a little with a drill since it really is very hot (keeps me warm in winter ;-) Thanks for the tips, -Mark > > > > > TIA for any tips, like "you can fix this by .." :-) > > > > -mark > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com > > RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark > > > > finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how > > idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in > > the future." --Scott Adams > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in the future." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 22:07:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA12382 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [206.246.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12366 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [206.246.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA28100; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: <19970922000212.52880@vinyl.quickweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:40:39PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > > > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > > > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > > > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > > > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > > > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > > > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > > > > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > > > > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > > > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > > > > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > > > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > > > so. > > > > Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. > > What model? I have two, of nearly the same vintage, DX-17F I think. It's really inconvenient to turn it upside down and search out the exact model number. One has the little LCD readout (the older one) and one hasn't. I wish they hadn't stopped making the LCD readout, it's been very convenient to have instant verification of the mode. > > > > > It sounds like arcing somewhere in the HV section. Can you literally hear > > it? > > Hmmm. I haven't really heard anything, but when you mentioned it I put > my ear on the side of the thing -- all I heard was a slight buzz sound, > and an occasional crackle, which sounded a lot like a static discharge. > There doesn't seem to be a connection with the "shake/jitter" and the > sound inside the monitor though. > > > As the capacitors get older, sometimes they go bad. If you're lucky, > > that's it. If you're not, it could be something expensive, like a > > transformer arcing. Affecting multiple sections also makes it sound like > > the power. > > It's very small jitter, and very rapid - I'm not imagining an 'arc' > producing this, but I have no knowledge about how monitors work at all! > I've been told that the ghosting I'm experiencing is a common sign of > the capacitors getting old and bad -- if they are inexpensive then I > certainly hope the capacitors are the problem. How much does a repair like > that usually cost? > > > > > One other thing to watch for ... MAGs can't stand overheating. You don't > > have some printouts laying on the top of the monitor, do you? > > No, I keep it wide open, since I noticed long ago that the thing gets > pretty darn hot. In fact, I've thought about opening up the ventilation > holes a little with a drill since it really is very hot (keeps me warm > in winter ;-) > > Thanks for the tips, > -Mark > > > > > > > > > TIA for any tips, like "you can fix this by .." :-) > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com > > > RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark > > > > > > finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how > > > idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in > > > the future." --Scott Adams > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com > RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark > > finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how > idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in > the future." --Scott Adams > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 22:46:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA15178 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15173 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA13351; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:47:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:02:33 EDT." <19970921230233.54358@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:47:15 -0700 Message-ID: <13347.874907235@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Any idea what the cause could be?? Is this a MAG 17MX? Those monitors have about a 3 year lifespan before they start losing it if my own experience with 2 of them is any guide. I had one of mine repaired (by Gateway 2000, of all people, who handled repair work for MAG in my area at the time) but it was never quite the same afterwards and I ended up finally just giving it away. The 2nd was left dead and simply replaced. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 23:09:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16894 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16889 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA02153; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:09:57 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:05:24 EDT." <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is > something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a > new monitor - what's recomended these days? In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 23:19:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA17769 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17763 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA18793; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:05:24 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970921230233.54358@vinyl.quickweb.com> <13347.874907235@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <13347.874907235@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 10:47:15PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 10:47:15PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > Is this a MAG 17MX? Those monitors have about a 3 year lifespan > before they start losing it if my own experience with 2 of them is > any guide. I had one of mine repaired (by Gateway 2000, of all > people, who handled repair work for MAG in my area at the time) > but it was never quite the same afterwards and I ended up finally > just giving it away. The 2nd was left dead and simply replaced. :) Yeah, the MX17-F or something (it's too freakin hard to look under the monitor to see what the actualy model # is...) - the one with the little LCD on the bottom left. I would guess your 3 year lifespan is right on, since mine is 3.5 and it was almost exactly 6 months ago that mine started loosing it... the ghosting has gotten worse and worse to the point that it drives me absolutely insane. With the jitters it's recently developed, I'll probably go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a new monitor - what's recomended these days? Man this sucks... I was really looking forward to saving that $1000 for tuition next semester..... :-( Ah well, at this point in "the loan game" another $1K doesn't really matter. -Mark > > Jordan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in the future." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 23:20:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA17899 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17893 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA18904; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:20:41 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is > > something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a > > new monitor - what's recomended these days? > > In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a > Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as > has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking > at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). I heard Hitachi has a new tube and are selling 19" (18" viewable) monitors for about the same price as a decent 17". Anybody had a chance to try one yet? Seems promising! I think Optiquest(Viewsonic) is using the Hitachi tube now too. -Mark > > Jordan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in the future." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 21 23:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA18120 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18103 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08800; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220623.XAA08800@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chuck Robey cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 22 Sep 97 01:06:38 -0400. Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:23:53 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: >> > > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be >> > > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every >> > > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A >> > > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. >> > > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a >> > > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). Maybe it's degaussing when it shouldn't be? Is there a buzz when the wiggling happens? If so, maybe you have a loose connection in the deguassing button that is causing it to happen intermittently. >> > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, >> > > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or >> > > so. >> > Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. >> What model? >I have two, of nearly the same vintage, DX-17F I think. It's really >inconvenient to turn it upside down and search out the exact model number. >One has the little LCD readout (the older one) and one hasn't. > >I wish they hadn't stopped making the LCD readout, it's been very >convenient to have instant verification of the mode. They didn't, to my knowledge. The ones with the LCD are the Mag MXP17F. I have two of them sitting right here in front of, and behind me. One is less than a year old. Not stellar in build quality. I've burnt out one of them twice (the horizontal sync circuitry, actually), by running it at too high a dot clock speed (it was within their published specs, but very close to the limit). But they have an excellent picture for the price, and very high refresh/clock rates. Just leave a little buffer between what they publish, and what you really try to run at. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 00:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21348 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA21343 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA00618; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:16:35 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199709220716.JAA00618@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: <13347.874907235@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Sep 21, 97 10:47:15 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:16:35 +0200 (MEST) Cc: mark@quickweb.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > Is this a MAG 17MX? Those monitors have about a 3 year lifespan > before they start losing it if my own experience with 2 of them is > any guide. I had one of mine repaired (by Gateway 2000, of all > people, who handled repair work for MAG in my area at the time) > but it was never quite the same afterwards and I ended up finally > just giving it away. The 2nd was left dead and simply replaced. :) I have a MAG 17H (I think, again to hard to turn it around) with LCD of 1991 vintage, still works, but the "light" knop is getting closer to max by the years :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 00:25:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21918 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA21907 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA20055; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970922002448.52744@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:24:48 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: philipp@in-brb.de Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EtherExpress 16 - How to use with 2.2.2 References: <342403F2.31D0B9D3@ppc.in-brb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <342403F2.31D0B9D3@ppc.in-brb.de>; from Philipp Schmidt on Sat, Sep 20, 1997 at 07:12:18PM +0200 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Philipp Schmidt scribbled this message on Sep 20: > Hello, > I got an EtherExpress 16 an wanted to use it with FreeBSD > 2.2.2. I heared the driver has been removed from the Kernel. > > How to use it??? the ix driver that supported the Intel EtherExpress 16 has been merged into the ie driver.. try that one and get back to us... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 01:13:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA24566 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (root@u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA24560 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idt.net (ppp-61.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.61]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11784; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:10:31 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Mayo CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is > > > something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a > > > new monitor - what's recomended these days? > > > > In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a > > Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as > > has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking > > at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). > > I heard Hitachi has a new tube and are selling 19" (18" viewable) > monitors for about the same price as a decent 17". Anybody had a chance > to try one yet? Seems promising! I think Optiquest(Viewsonic) is using > the Hitachi tube now too. > Ummm... yes and no on the Hitachi 19". I just got one about a week ago. It looked great at 1280x1024, could even be used at 1600x1200, sharp text, easy to use controls, but... a terribly annoying "interference pattern" on the screen (hard to describe, but NOT your usual "moire" stuff). I talked to Hitachi tech support, and they said, no, it shouldn't be doing that. So I just packed it up tonight to send back, and I should be getting a new one in a day or two. I'm _presuming_ I just got a defective copy, and that it's going to be a "great" monitor once I get a working one. I'll let you know after I get the new one. BTW - I used to have a Micron 17" at work, which was really just a re-labeled MAG 17". After less than 3 years, it started doing the intermittent "shake" thing too, and just kept getting worse till I could no long stand it. I finally "fixed" my problem by grabbing the next surplus 17" monitor I could get my hands on... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 02:39:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29242 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA29227 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA15164; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:09:04 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970922190904.10900@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:09:04 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is >> something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a >> new monitor - what's recomended these days? > > In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a > Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as > has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking > at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). I've never been happy with the convergence of Sony monitors. It seems that expensive monitors go for contrast rather than convergence. I have two iiyama 21" monitors here, a "Vision Master 21" with a round dot, and a "Vision Master Pro 21" with a strip mask. The Pro was, of course, more expensive, but the resolution is worse, and so is the convergence. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 02:40:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29349 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA29344 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA15175; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:10:32 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970922191032.39700@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:10:32 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net>; from Gary T. Corcoran on Mon, Sep 22, 1997 at 04:10:31AM -0400 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Sep 22, 1997 at 04:10:31AM -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > Mark Mayo wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 1997 at 11:09:57PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >>>> go mad if I keep using it... I'm going to check and see if this is >>>> something that can be fixed for cheap, otherwise I'll be looking for a >>>> new monitor - what's recomended these days? >>> >>> In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a >>> Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as >>> has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking >>> at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). >> >> I heard Hitachi has a new tube and are selling 19" (18" viewable) >> monitors for about the same price as a decent 17". Anybody had a chance >> to try one yet? Seems promising! I think Optiquest(Viewsonic) is using >> the Hitachi tube now too. > > Ummm... yes and no on the Hitachi 19". I just got one about a week ago. > It looked great at 1280x1024, could even be used at 1600x1200, sharp text, > easy to use controls, but... a terribly annoying "interference pattern" on > the screen (hard to describe, but NOT your usual "moire" stuff). > I talked to Hitachi tech support, and they said, no, it shouldn't be doing > that. So I just packed it up tonight to send back, and I should be getting > a new one in a day or two. I'm _presuming_ I just got a defective copy, > and that it's going to be a "great" monitor once I get a working one. > I'll let you know after I get the new one. I'd be interested to see what they say when they see it. I'd guess that they apply different criteria to what they call moiré. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 03:25:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04426 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA04421 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id AAA03297; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:24:45 -1001 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:24:45 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199709221025.AAA03297@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Chuck Robey "Re: My monitor's got the Shakes..." (Sep 21, 11:40pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Mark Mayo Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > so. You might try opening it up and cleaning all the dust away with a soft brush. Dust can make in run hot and encourage arcing. Don't get zapped by the high voltage. Unplug the monitor for a while before opening it. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 03:38:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA05019 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA05014 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA15703 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: This monitor discussion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running two of the Hitachi 4119 monitors under FreeBSD. These are the surplus Sun3 monitors you can find for about $50.00. Running 1024x768 under Xfree86 3.3. They'll do 1152x900 but I never could do it with Xfree and the picture wasn't Wonderfull anyhow. My first offer is if anyone wants my modelines and config hints feel free to ask. It was damned easy when I installed Xfree86 3.3 to make them work and I was able to finally ditch AccelX v1.3 that I just hadn't felt like buying the upgrade for. My question is, has anyone run two monitors under FreeBSD? I dont mean two monitors under X. I'd love to do THAT but... I dont get Console mode anymore of course. These monitors just can't syncup to it. If we had something like the Linux SVGA drivers it could be done but after looking at the code I can understand why people cringe when asked about it. I'm thinking of putting an old Hercules card and a mono monitor on these machines so I can have console mode again. Any hints on this would be appreciated. Dont wanna take my machines down until I'm sure of what I'm gonna do to'em. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Tom Arnold - And Lycius' arms were empty of delight, - - SysAdmin - As were his limbs of life, from that same night. - - TBI, Ltd - On the high couch he lay!--his friends came round-- -------------------- Supported him--no pulse, or breath they found, - - Keats, Lamia II : And, in its marriage robe, the heavy body wound. - From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 10:25:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01034 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (ppp0.lariat.org@[129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01021 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo ([129.72.251.10] (may be forged)) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA25775; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970922112456.00912100@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:24:56 -0600 To: tom@inna.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: This monitor discussion In-Reply-To: <8825651A.003C13C0.00@IWNS2.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Before you give up on the monitor, make sure it's not near anything that generates a magnetic field (including another monitor, a fluorescent light, etc.). This can make the image on most monitors shake. Also check for ground loops. (Is the monitor plugged into the same power strip as the computer? If not, you could have trouble.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 12:57:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14189 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA14182 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4177 invoked by uid 1010); 22 Sep 1997 19:49:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Mark Mayo cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In 17", I've always been partial to the Sony monitors. I also have a > > Panasonic PanaSync5 which has always delivered fine performance, as > > has my "Impression 7" (from which manufacturer is unclear from looking > > at the outer case and I've long since forgotten :). > > I heard Hitachi has a new tube and are selling 19" (18" viewable) > monitors for about the same price as a decent 17". Anybody had a chance > to try one yet? Seems promising! I think Optiquest(Viewsonic) is using > the Hitachi tube now too. > > -Mark I have come across a similar problem with a MAG. My partner had one for about 3 years also, then sold it to someone I know. About two months later, I get a call from the guy we sold it to. The monitor decided to not turn on one day, and all it did was blink its lights on the front of it, and make a weird 'clicking' noise, kinda like the ticking of a clock. We sent it to MAG, and they fixed it, and all was happy. THen two weeks later, I get a call from the guy again. It happened again, and needless to say, he was quite perturbed. We called MAG and after quite a bit of complaining, got them to fix it again. We had to buy him a new one, and we kept the one that came back. Ever since then, the resolution has been awful and fuzzy and just never looked the same. The one we sent back was a DX-15F. Then another friend owned a DX-17F, and that one fried also. Had to send that one back, but haven't heard anything lately. Have to say I will probably never buy another one after their recent track record. We got Viewsonic's as replacements, and I must say they are the nicest monitors I have worked on so far. I have the Optiquest V775 17", and my partner got the PT810 21". Beautiful resolution, and i can do 1280X1024 no problem, he is in 1600X1280. Just my $.02 ;) ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 256-4605 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 16:04:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA28341 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [209.83.205.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28307 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA10054; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:03:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:03:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: Chuck Robey cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > > so. > > Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. > > It sounds like arcing somewhere in the HV section. Can you literally hear > it? > > As the capacitors get older, sometimes they go bad. If you're lucky, > that's it. If you're not, it could be something expensive, like a > transformer arcing. Affecting multiple sections also makes it sound like > the power. > > One other thing to watch for ... MAGs can't stand overheating. You don't > have some printouts laying on the top of the monitor, do you? I have seen this in the past on some "magitronic" and Mitsubishi diamond monitors. In both cases it was a transistor (Power-FET?) on the board. I looked for the burned out tranny and replaced it on the 'magitronics'. A similar problem also caused them to get darker and darker..... brian From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 22:17:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17999 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (root@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17989 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idt.net (ppp-3.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.3]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06291 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342750F1.6B99A272@idt.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:17:37 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net> <19970922191032.39700@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [about the new Hitachi 19" monitor] Well, it appears I was wrong about the pattern on the screen not being a moire pattern. I got the replacement monitor today, and it showed the same effect... :-( BUT - on this copy, the moire controls are able to significantly reduce the effect, though not eliminate it. On the previous copy, the moire controls had little or no effect... Unfortunately, this "feature" is at its worst at my desired resolution of 1280x1024. The previous copy of the monitor showed the effect at all resolutions (with size and spacing of the pattern changing with both the resolution and the refresh rate). On this copy, the distortion at other than 1280x1024 resolutions either spreads out so uniformly, or just disappears, that it isn't too annoying. But, dammit, I still notice it at 1280x1024 where I want to run it (anywhere from 60Hz to 75Hz refresh)... I've never seen this much of an interference pattern on a monitor before - but then again I've never had much experience with a monitor larger than 17", and most of the 17" have been Triniton-type tubes - the Hitachi is a dot-trio shadow-mask tube. Is "interference" like this that can't be completely eliminated to be expected on any large monitor? Now that I've used a 19" monitor, I really don't want to go back to 17", and I'd rather not have to send *another* monitor back to where I bought it... So - any suggestions or comments? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 22 23:57:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24470 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24462 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z13) with ESMTP id IAA09582 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA05426 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:03:50 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:03:50 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199709230703.JAA05426@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: major/minor for industrial hw required Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need to get assigned a major/minor number for the following HW which I want to write a driver for: Type: w-ie-ner CAN16-2 CAN-PC Interface Mfgr: Plein&Baus GmbH Muellersbaum 20 D-51399 Burscheid Germany Desc: CAN-BUS is being used as a medium speed serial bus in the automobil and automotive industrie for addressing various sensors and small peripheral devices in an ethernet like manner. The protocol is collision detect based. The device has two channels, so I suspect it would require two minor numbers (myself though owning the book 'Writing Device Drivers' currently not being very familar with the matter). There maybe approaches using one minor and doing it in the ioctl - maybe that's better since the two channels are in one device. The device doesn't have an i/o register. It just has a 16K memory mapped region and is producing one interrupt. I think I would start with something like the ed driver as a skeleton. Who is responsible for the Maj/Min device numbering disposal in FreeBSD? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 01:20:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA28315 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA28307 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01095; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd001093; Tue Sep 23 07:30:40 1997 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: major/minor for industrial hw required In-Reply-To: <199709230703.JAA05426@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are you sure it wouldn't be better suited to being a networking device? That way you could write a dumb protocol statck for the appropriate link-layer, and do it all with sockets etc. sendto() and rcvfrom() would sound useful for that sort of thing. ? network drivers don't require major/minro numbers, and they need not run IP. On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I need to get assigned a major/minor number > for the following HW which I want to write a driver for: > > Type: w-ie-ner CAN16-2 CAN-PC Interface > Mfgr: Plein&Baus GmbH Muellersbaum 20 D-51399 Burscheid Germany > Desc: CAN-BUS is being used as a medium speed serial bus in the > automobil and automotive industrie for addressing > various sensors and small peripheral devices in > an ethernet like manner. The protocol is collision detect > based. > > The device has two channels, so I suspect it would require two minor > numbers (myself though owning the book 'Writing Device Drivers' > currently not being very familar with the matter). There maybe > approaches using one minor and doing it in the ioctl - maybe that's > better since the two channels are in one device. > > The device doesn't have an i/o register. It just has a 16K memory > mapped region and is producing one interrupt. I think I would > start with something like the ed driver as a skeleton. > > Who is responsible for the Maj/Min device numbering disposal > in FreeBSD? > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 01:51:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA29996 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29991 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA06322; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:52:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: major/minor for industrial hw required In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:03:50 +0200." <199709230703.JAA05426@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:52:05 -0700 Message-ID: <6318.875004725@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Who is responsible for the Maj/Min device numbering disposal > in FreeBSD? Whomever in core first steps forward, usually. :) And we only assign major numbers - the driver writer is free to do whatever [s]he likes with the minor, it's really not a matter of concern. You now have major #83, provisional device name of "can" (which I can change if you like). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 01:54:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA00164 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA00159 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z13) with ESMTP id KAA11369; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:54:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA00459; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:00:36 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <19970923110036.43094@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:00:36 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Christoph Kukulies , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: major/minor for industrial hw required References: <199709230703.JAA05426@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <6318.875004725@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <6318.875004725@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, Sep 23, 1997 at 01:52:05AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 23, 1997 at 01:52:05AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Who is responsible for the Maj/Min device numbering disposal > > in FreeBSD? > > Whomever in core first steps forward, usually. :) > > And we only assign major numbers - the driver writer is free to do > whatever [s]he likes with the minor, it's really not a matter of > concern. > > You now have major #83, provisional device name of "can" (which I can > change if you like). can can stay. :) > > Jordan -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 07:57:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA14932 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14921 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21915; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07172; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709231457.IAA07172@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... In-Reply-To: <342750F1.6B99A272@idt.net> References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net> <19970922191032.39700@lemis.com> <342750F1.6B99A272@idt.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Bad moire patterns ] > Now that I've used a 19" monitor, I really don't want to go back to 17", > and I'd rather not have to send *another* monitor back to where I bought > it... So - any suggestions or comments? Mess with the background to see if you can minimize it. If I use a grey background, it makes it much worse than if I use a 'darker' background (I use a wall-paper like pattern which tends to minimize the effects.) Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 09:25:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19329 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19320 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id LAA29695; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029689; Tue Sep 23 12:19:33 1997 Message-ID: <3427EC17.3DAC5321@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:19:35 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: "Gary T. Corcoran" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970922020524.01866@vinyl.quickweb.com> <2148.874908597@time.cdrom.com> <19970922022041.09429@vinyl.quickweb.com> <342627F7.8F2B13D@idt.net> <19970922191032.39700@lemis.com> <342750F1.6B99A272@idt.net> <199709231457.IAA07172@rocky.mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > > Mess with the background to see if you can minimize it. If I use a > grey > background, it makes it much worse than if I use a 'darker' background > (I use a wall-paper like pattern which tends to minimize the effects.) (Ding Ding DING!) On Sqwindows '95, some colors are created by using a pixel-by-pixel stipple pattern of different "solid" colors. Sometimes this is done even if the video depth is set to 16 (a non-pallette mode). Could this be happening in X? Maybe there is an xbm or xpm -based grey involved. -- "Going down to South Park - going to leave my woes behind..." David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 14:44:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA07371 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07351 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17372; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199709232143.OAA17372@math.berkeley.edu> To: garycorc@idt.net Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [about the new Hitachi 19" monitor] > > Well, it appears I was wrong about the pattern on the screen not being > a moire pattern. I got the replacement monitor today, and it showed The Hitachi product line tends to have excellent resolution and consequently suffers from the moire problem. The workaround is to turn on the moire reducing option (which simply defocuses the electron beam a little bit) and adjust with the horizontal and vertical screen size to minimize the moire. If that isn't enough, you can experiment with changing the resolution to something slightly different from 1280x1024 (e.g. 1280x960 or 1360x1020). Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 23 15:32:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09638 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA09544; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de ([134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA18856 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:32:34 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) id AAA04367; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:20:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:20:10 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Walter Hafner Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Is my NCR controller broken? References: <199709180857.IAA03695@pccog4.forwiss.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <199709180857.IAA03695@pccog4.forwiss.tu-muenchen.de>; from Walter Hafner on Thu, Sep 18, 1997 at 08:57:34AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sep 18, Walter Hafner wrote: > Hello! Hallo! Sorry for the late reply ... > I just want to make sure I don't miss something before changing my > mainboard. Please enlighten me. > > I run a 486/DX2-66 (ASUS SP-3 with onboard NCR-810 SCSI > controller). This computer runs for about 3 years now (2.0.5, 2.1.0, > 2.1.5) Is this the original ASUS SP3 with the Saturn I (revision 2) chip set ? That chip set is known buggy, and you'll have to disable one of the PCI bus performance options. I don't remember if it was "PCI bursts" or some buffer option ("write buffers" ??) > Since about four weeks I keep getting SCSI resets and then the bus is > dead. No recovery! And it's really strange because the NCR controller > reports totally different errors before hanging. Here are the error > reports from the last three crashes (typed in by hand, so the actual > format may differ): Did you by chance do any of the following: - modify PCI BIOS setup options (bursts, ...) - add another PCI card (even a bus-master) - add some ISA card - change the amount of memory in the system > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > sd1(ncr0:1:0): internal error: cmd00 != 91=(vdsp[0] >> 24) > ncr0: timeout ccb=f19fbc00 (skip) This is a "can't happen" case, and the first time I see it reported. Some value in a register is different from the data at the address from where this register was loaded. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ncr0:1: ERROR (a0:0) (f-28-0) (8/13) @ (260:00000000). > script cmd=fc00001c. > reg: da 10 80 13 47 08 01 1f 00 0f 81 28 80 00 00 00. > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > sd1(ncr0:1:0): command failed (9ff)@f19fbc00. > nrc0: timeout ccb=f19fbc00 (skip) Another indication of a hardware problem: The NCR status has the bus fault bit set in DSTAT, which indicates a problem accessing the PCI bus. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB already dequeued (0xf19fbc00) > nrc0: timeout ccb=f19fbc00 (skip) Hmmm, another "first" ... There definitely is something wrong with your hardware. > I changed everything: > > * disconnected everything except the system drive -> still errors > * changed cables (three different ones) -> still errors > * changed termination (two different external ones, internal, different > termpower sttings etc.) -> still errors > * turned all devices to 5MB synchr. and finally to acync via > 'ncrcontrol' -> still errors > * finally replaced the system drive (old DEC 5200 against new IBM DAHC > 34330) and put 2.2.1 on it -> still errors. Actually, the errors above > are from that setup. > > The only thing I didn't change was the mainboard. Well, and I think that's the problem :) But please try with conservative PCI options. This helped other people with an ASUS SP3, too. I just don't remember the exact option that did cause the problem. Just disable all that the BIOS setup offers :) > I'd be glad if anyone can confirm my suspicion that the NCR controller > has gone nuts. I just can't imagine why ... No, I don't think this is a controller going bad. Though such a thing has happened before ... > I'd also appreciate it very much if someone with more insight than > myself could explain the error reports to me. I'd especially like to > know what this 'f19fbc00' means: it shows up in all three errors (what's > a 'ccb' anyway?) The CCB is a Command Control Block, a structure that contains all the information the NCR needs to issue and execute a SCSI command. It is in fact surprising, that the same address is printed in each case, but depending on the number of drives and whether tags are enabled, it is possible that only one CCB is in use. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 24 06:31:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA28813 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.inlink.com (ultra.inlink.com [206.196.96.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA28801 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell. (rcdii@shell1.inlink.com [206.196.96.60]) by thor.inlink.com (8.8.0/V8) with SMTP id IAA22289 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:31:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by shell. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA10315; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:31:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:31:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Dunn X-Sender: rcdii@shell To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ? FreeBSD support for Digi PC/Xem board Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone got a Digi PC/Xem (16 serial port card) running under 2.2.2 ? It may need a different driver than the supplied dgb0 which supports the PC/Xi Digi products. The Xem is an ISA card I'd like to install in a i386 machine. TIA, Bob Dunn rcdii@inlink.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 24 09:16:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07651 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms11.hinet.net (ms11.hinet.net [168.95.4.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07641 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms11.hinet.net (h72.s154.ts.hinet.net [168.95.154.72]) by ms11.hinet.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA23338; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:16:56 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <3429ACAA.AECB4487@ms11.hinet.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:13:31 +0800 From: Doug Lo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03b8 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Chuck Robey , Mark Mayo Subject: Re: My monitor's got the Shakes... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark, I got the same problem with you. My monitor is 17" MAG, type is DJ707. Is it the same type with you? Have you got any solutions? If you have, please let me know, Thanks in advance, Doug. Wm Brian McCane wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > > > Hi all... well a bad couple of weeks on my hardware seems to be > > > getting worse. Suddently, my monitor is "shaking". Basically, every > > > 10 minutes or so (not regular) a small, rapid shaking happens. A > > > slight brightness fade-in, fade-out sort of happens at the same time. > > > The picture would appear to be moving straight up and down (by a > > > really small amount, but enough to be REALLY damned annoying). > > > > > > Any idea what the cause could be?? > > > > > > This monitor has already developed a pretty serious case of ghosting, > > > so I fear that this fit of shaking is my signal that "she's gonna blow!". > > > > > > It's a 17" MAG, about 3.5 years old I believe. Been a faithful monitor, > > > but it's been going downhill at a break-neck speed the last 6 monhts or > > > so. > > > > Oh, lovely. I'm reading this on a 3.5 year old 17" MAG. > > > > It sounds like arcing somewhere in the HV section. Can you literally hear > > it? > > > > As the capacitors get older, sometimes they go bad. If you're lucky, > > that's it. If you're not, it could be something expensive, like a > > transformer arcing. Affecting multiple sections also makes it sound like > > the power. > > > > One other thing to watch for ... MAGs can't stand overheating. You don't > > have some printouts laying on the top of the monitor, do you? > > I have seen this in the past on some "magitronic" and Mitsubishi diamond > monitors. In both cases it was a transistor (Power-FET?) on the board. > I looked for the burned out tranny and replaced it on the 'magitronics'. > A similar problem also caused them to get darker and darker..... > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 24 12:14:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA19456 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19444 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id OAA13207 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender west@cig.mot.com ) Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com (po_box.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.5]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id OAA14275 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:14:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709241911.PAA14938@po_box.cig.mot.com> Received: (west@localhost) by osprey.cig.mot.com (8.6.11/SCERG-1.12-MPC2) id TAA25746 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:06:58 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:06:58 GMT From: "Jeffrey A. West" X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe -- ******************************************************************** * Jeffrey West email: west@cig.mot.com * * Motorola Inc. phone: 847-435-9675 * * Cellular Infrastructure Group fax: 847-632-6658 * * Information Technology Services maildrop: IL27 3B4 * * 1501 W.Shure Drive * * Arlington Heights, Il 60004 USA * ******************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 26 12:31:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA23420 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peeper.my.domain ([208.128.8.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23412 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tom@localhost) by peeper.my.domain (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA28237; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:31:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970926143047.44911@my.domain> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:30:47 -0500 From: Tom Jackson To: Craig Johnston Cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: supermicro p6sns/p6sas References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Craig Johnston on Fri, May 16, 1997 at 02:43:02PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, May 16, 1997 at 02:43:02PM -0500, Craig Johnston wrote: > > Considering buying one of the above supermicro boards. Any problems? > Does the onboard AIC 7880 work just fine? > > FYI, 4 pci, 6 simm, onboard u/w scsi, with the sas having an ATX form > factor and the sns being a baby AT. > > Any alternate recommendations? Need 4 pci slots, would like 6 simms, > would like SCSI onboard. > > thanks. > Craig. > > What did you get? What do you think? Considering a new atx mb myself. Trying to decide between pent pro and pent II. Wondering if socket 8 is a deadend and if intel will upgrade this architexture ( think its much better than pent II) Later, Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 26 13:06:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25111 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25098 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id NAA24335; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:04:53 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id QAA10739; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:04:51 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20945; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:04:50 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA14381; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199709262008.PAA14381@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn To: toj@gorilla.net Cc: craig@gnofn.org, freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: supermicro p6sns/p6sas References: <19970926143047.44911@my.domain> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Tom Jackson on Fri, 26 September: : Considering a new atx mb myself. Trying to decide between pent pro and : pent II. Wondering if socket 8 is a deadend and if intel will upgrade : this architexture ( think its much better than pent II) Socket 8 is a dead end. Slot 1 is also a dead end. Socket 7, on the otherhand, shows no sign of slowing down, with AMD's 300 MHz K6 being the fastest chip announced for it so far. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 26 13:30:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26179 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA26168 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05627; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: <342C3607.2E35@asme.org> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:24:07 -0700 From: "Pedro Giffuni S," Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [it] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Compaq's ultra-wide SCSI ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I wonder if someone is using a Compaq Proliant 800 with FreeBSD. I tried a 2500, but I had to get rid of the Ultra-wide SCSI card. It seems like Proliant 800 has that integrated. Anyone knows about success using it with FreeBSD? cheers, Pedro. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 26 22:24:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27361 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.prima.ruhr.de (root@kelly.prima.ruhr.de [141.39.232.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27328; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chokepnt.prima.ruhr.de (DialPPP-1-83.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.1.83]) by kelly.prima.ruhr.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22380; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:24:09 +0200 Message-ID: <342A79F5.41C67EA6@prima.ruhr.de> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:49:25 +0200 From: Philipp Reichmuth X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: K6 Update & AMD Statement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks! Good news for the K6: I just got mine swapped by my dealer; it was a revision 9721 chip, and he swapped it for a 9735 chip. It now works fine. I'll redo the make world for a couple of times the next weeks and see what I'll get. Second good news: I wrote to AMD about it, and they seem genuinely concerned with it, or so I gather from their mail. Here's what they wrote (follows) Philipp ==================> begin AMD mail <============ Dear Philipp, 1. We believe you are encountering Erratum 2.6.2 that is fully documented in the AMD-K6 MMX Enhanced Processor Revision Guide posted on our website, www.amd.com. Due to the long list of rare conditions necessary for this erratum to occur, the issue does not effect general users in a DOS or Windows environment. It appears to be limited to a special cases as in the Linux kernal re-compile. 2. A design change that fixes the erratum has been identified and is currently being implemented in a future revision of the AMD-K6 processor. 3. AMD stands behind its products and wants you to be fully satisfied with your choice. To this end, we are offering to replace your processor as the new revision becomes available. 4 To replace your processor we need the following information. We will contact you in about 3 weeks with more specifics on when and how the processor will be replaced. - Name - Address - Phone Number - Type of System or Motherboard - Processor Frequency Kind Regards Tvrtko AMD Hotline / Technical Support. =========================> End AMD Stuff <========================= (but please don't post all this into the wide world - it's a bit touchy with personal email) From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 08:11:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26442 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26413; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA17620; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709271513.LAA17620@sabre.goldsword.com> To: chokepnt@prima.ruhr.de, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 Update & AMD Statement Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That is good news! It also fits in with what I've been hearing for several other sources. I'm very interested in your results on the make world testing... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 08:23:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26991 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26981 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id LAA17649; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709271525.LAA17649@sabre.goldsword.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Socket 7 class chip sets Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody have experience with non-Intel chipset boards with the AMD K-6 and/or the Cyrix 686MX cpus? I just ordered a batch of Asus VX97 mainboards from one of my suppliers for some Win95 workstations, and he cliams that Intel has stopped production of both the VX _and_ the HX chipsets... The VX can be replaced (at a higher price) by the TX, but he also claimed that there isn't going to be a HX follow-on/replacement. My understanding (I admit that I've not been paying much attention...) is that the newer P-II/slot-1 chipsets _won't_ support the socket-7 cpu's without alot of expensive, possibly slower support circuitry. I use the HX-based boards (mostly Asus P55-P2T4's) for all my lower cost servers & important workstations, so if I have to start using a different one, I want to get the eval process underway. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 09:06:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA29228 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29203; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05824; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:04:54 +0200 (CEST) To: "John T. Farmer" cc: chokepnt@prima.ruhr.de, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: K6 Update & AMD Statement In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:13:40 EDT." <199709271513.LAA17620@sabre.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:04:53 +0200 Message-ID: <5817.875376293@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199709271513.LAA17620@sabre.goldsword.com>, "John T. Farmer" writes : >That is good news! It also fits in with what I've been hearing for several >other sources. I'm very interested in your results on the make world >testing... I have a K6/233 here which has by now completed 50 or more make worlds, no complaints. It is marked: AMD-K6-233ANR 3.2V CORE / 3.3V I/O B 9731EJBW -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 09:41:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01085 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01062; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA17859; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709271643.MAA17859@sabre.goldsword.com> To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: K6 Update & AMD Statement Cc: chokepnt@prima.ruhr.de, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:04:53 +0200 Poul-Henning Kamp said: >I have a K6/233 here which has by now completed 50 or more make worlds, >no complaints. > >It is marked: > AMD-K6-233ANR > 3.2V CORE / 3.3V I/O > B 9731EJBW ^^^^^^^^ This is what I'm told is the important part. The stepping must be 9731 or later. I've got a Cyrix 686MX-P200+ coming for testing. I suppose it's time to order a K6-XXX... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 09:56:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01794 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.awen.com (dragon.awen.com [207.33.155.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01786 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmnsens (cmnsens.awen.com [207.33.155.2]) by dragon.awen.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23157; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709271654.JAA23157@dragon.awen.com> From: "Mike Burgett" To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" Cc: "chokepnt@prima.ruhr.de" , "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "jfarmer@goldsword.com" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 09:54:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Mike Burgett" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: K6 Update & AMD Statement Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:04:53 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>That is good news! It also fits in with what I've been hearing for several >>other sources. I'm very interested in your results on the make world >>testing... > >I have a K6/233 here which has by now completed 50 or more make worlds, >no complaints. > >It is marked: > AMD-K6-233ANR > 3.2V CORE / 3.3V I/O > B 9731EJBW Yup, I've got a K6-200 here that's been doing 2 makeworlds daily, for about the last 6 weeks. Also a 9731 date code... The only failures I've seen are legitimate failures because of bad commits. (I've pulled freebsd-stable from the Cc: list on this message, it's not a -stable issue, but is a hardware issue...) --Mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 14:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA13283 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [139.23.36.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13274 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salomon.mchp.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01209 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:45 +0200 (MDT) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09281 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:45 +0200 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA27056 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199709272113.XAA24611@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Subject: Re: Socket 7 class chip sets In-Reply-To: <199709271525.LAA17649@sabre.goldsword.com> from "John T. Farmer" at "Sep 27, 97 11:25:26 am" To: jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com (John T. Farmer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anybody have experience with non-Intel chipset boards with the > AMD K-6 and/or the Cyrix 686MX cpus? I just ordered a batch of Asus > VX97 mainboards from one of my suppliers for some Win95 workstations, > and he cliams that Intel has stopped production of both the VX _and_ > the HX chipsets... > > The VX can be replaced (at a higher price) by the TX, but he also > claimed that there isn't going to be a HX follow-on/replacement. And as far as I'm informed correctly, the TX can only cache 64MB RAM. > My understanding (I admit that I've not been paying much attention...) > is that the newer P-II/slot-1 chipsets _won't_ support the socket-7 > cpu's without alot of expensive, possibly slower support circuitry. > > I use the HX-based boards (mostly Asus P55-P2T4's) for all my lower cost > servers & important workstations, so if I have to start using a different > one, I want to get the eval process underway. This is my problem also. At the moment, I don't know which board to buy if it has to cache more than 64MB. I have still got 2 of Chaintech's 5IFM1 (HX) which work well with the K6 after replacing the heatsinks but that won't last long. So if you have got some good experience with newer Board and FreeBSD, please drop me (or the mailinglist) note. Thanks, -Andre From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 14:56:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14992 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (jonny@[146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14987 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16464 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:56:26 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199709272156.SAA16464@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: NIC memories To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:56:26 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Lots of people say that 3Com cards are bad because they only have 8K memory. In the 3c905 it's divided as 3K for rx and 5K for tx. I'd like to know about RAM quantity and usage for other high performance boards suported in FreeBSD. Where could I get some reference ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 15:57:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA18367 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18353 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from this.umr.edu (dialup-pkr-5-10.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.79]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.7/R.4.20) id RAA04986; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:56:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970927175643.006ac534@pop3.umr.edu> X-Sender: bbryan@pop3.umr.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:56:43 -0500 To: "John T. Farmer" From: Ben Bryan Subject: Re: Socket 7 class chip sets Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199709271525.LAA17649@sabre.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:25 27-09-97 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anybody have experience with non-Intel chipset boards with the >AMD K-6 and/or the Cyrix 686MX cpus? I just ordered a batch of Asus >VX97 mainboards from one of my suppliers for some Win95 workstations, >and he cliams that Intel has stopped production of both the VX _and_ >the HX chipsets... I hadn't heard they'd stopped production on HX... Anyway, look for a board based on the VIA VP-2 like the PA-2007. Fast and stable, up to 1mb L2 cache and can cache up to 512mb of memory. Can only get to 256mb using sdram, though. There's also a new SiS chipset that can cache 512mb and I hear it's good, but I have no experience with it. Ben Bryan ME/CS University of Missouri-Rolla Listen to KMNR, you fools. 89.7fm http://www.umr.edu/~kmnr From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 20:45:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03728 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peeper.my.domain ([208.128.8.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03706 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tom@localhost) by peeper.my.domain (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA12035; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970927224110.13321@my.domain> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:41:10 -0500 From: Tom Jackson To: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: supermicro p6sns/p6sas References: <19970926143047.44911@my.domain> <199709262008.PAA14381@compound.east.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709262008.PAA14381@compound.east.sun.com>; from Tony Kimball on Fri, Sep 26, 1997 at 03:08:05PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 26, 1997 at 03:08:05PM -0500, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Tom Jackson on Fri, 26 September: > : Considering a new atx mb myself. Trying to decide between pent pro and > : pent II. Wondering if socket 8 is a deadend and if intel will upgrade > : this architexture ( think its much better than pent II) > > Socket 8 is a dead end. Slot 1 is also a dead end. Socket 7, on the > otherhand, shows no sign of slowing down, with AMD's 300 MHz K6 being > the fastest chip announced for it so far. Ugh, well maybe the announced, not released version, but definitely not the current releases of K6. Heard about the make world problem and the Linux problems. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 22:16:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07580 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07575 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04321; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709280516.WAA04321@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom Jackson cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: supermicro p6sns/p6sas In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 27 Sep 97 22:41:10 -0500. <19970927224110.13321@my.domain> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:16:31 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Fri, Sep 26, 1997 at 03:08:05PM -0500, Tony Kimball wrote: >> Quoth Tom Jackson on Fri, 26 September: >> : Considering a new atx mb myself. Trying to decide between pent pro and >> : pent II. Wondering if socket 8 is a deadend and if intel will upgrade >> : this architexture ( think its much better than pent II) >> Socket 8 is a dead end. Slot 1 is also a dead end. Socket 7, on the >> otherhand, shows no sign of slowing down, with AMD's 300 MHz K6 being >> the fastest chip announced for it so far. >Ugh, well maybe the announced, not released version, but definitely >not the current releases of K6. Heard about the make world problem and >the Linux problems. Socket 8 indeed appears to have been a limited detour. Slot 1 may in time be superceeded by something better. But it has much more potential than Socket 8 at this point in time. Socket 7, however, has some serious bandwidth problems. I'm not an electrical engineer, but from some of the stuff I've read, there are some radical electrical specifications involved in just making Slot 1 work. Making Socket 7 go any higher would likely involve some pretty radical electrical changes as well, to allow it to run reliably at the much higher clock speeds required to make it useful at all beyond 300MHz. This would make Socket 7 compatible in only the physical socket itself, and not electrically. Socket 7 has a very limited future. It simply doesn't have any way of coping with some of the new technology that will be necessary to make any sort of performance boosts possible beyond 300MHz. AMD and Cyrix may indeed be able to perpetuate several years more of Socket 7 chipsets, in the secondary market. But it will be a typical AMD/Cyrix market, where performance is secondary, and low-cost is king. My personal opinions, obviously... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 27 22:35:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA08178 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08168 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.5/8.6.6) id WAA29498; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199709280535.WAA29498@kithrup.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: supermicro p6sns/p6sas In-Reply-To: <199709280516.WAA04321.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@mindbender.serv.net> References: Your message of Sat, 27 Sep 97 22:41:10 -0500. <19970927224110.13321@my.domain> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199709280516.WAA04321.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@mindbender.serv.net> you write: >Socket 8 indeed appears to have been a limited detour. Slot 1 may in >time be superceeded by something better. But it has much more >potential than Socket 8 at this point in time. Is Socket 8 the P6 thing? Slot 1 is dead. Intel has admitted that it will be replaced by a Slot Two very soon. The big advantage of Slot One is -- it's patented. Nobody but Intel can make a Slot One formfactor module. In fact, nobody could make a Slot One capable motherboard without Intel's permission. I've already stated my opinions about Intel in regards to this, previously, so I won't do so again. >Socket 7, however, has some serious bandwidth problems. AMD's electrical engineers say they have ways to do it. You'll have to get a new motherboard, and I don't know how compatible it will be, but they say they can do it. Since I don't do hardware, I generally take their words at it :). Reply to me, or to the list; please don't do both.