From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 4 00:23:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27362 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27349 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA08224; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-35.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.163) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma008222; Sun Oct 4 02:22:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981004022100.007439dc@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:21:00 -0500 To: "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981003204621.04321a00@ccsales.com> References: <199810021449.JAA06468@kemicol.rezidew.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:46 PM 10/3/98 -0700, Randy A. Katz wrote: >Hi, > >I know I'm coming in a bit late here but I had a T-1 with at-work. > >The connection speed is good most of the time. > >The daytime service is ok. The nightime service is non-existent but what do >you expect from the price (review 1st tier providers price for a T-1)? > >They do not tolerate SPAM at all so if you are adding new customers who >have to be dealt with make sure you have an administrative staff that can >do it in a timely manner because they will do things like: > > 1. Put a filter on you without warning and wait for you to call the next >day. They like to put the filter on on Saturday night...that can really >kill a business. > 2. Tell you you have to cancel xyz client now and not forward you the >"proof" even when asked to. Not to digress, but this seems a bit extreme. Is an AUP part of the contract, which explains the 2nd part, but the first is a bit much. There is quite a difference between an admin at an ISP disabling a user, but an upstream provider slapping a filter on an ISP!? Unreasonable, especially with no warning. Do that a few times in a malicious manner and if is not explicity in the contract... Does not sound like a place to recommend to anyone. OTOH, just received a pleasant reply to complain with a local ISP user that spammed me at 2 addresses. Sounds like they have a one warning policy, which is my preference. The thing that irks me is spam that shows up with my listmail address. Wonder if either the 'list users' feature is still active, or if they are being grabbed from the mailing list directly. Not much can be done about the 2nd reason, except lurk. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 4 00:54:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00678 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00672 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA08292; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:54:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-35.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.163) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma008290; Sun Oct 4 02:53:58 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981004025232.0077bd94@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:52:32 -0500 To: "John T. Farmer" , andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Looking for... In-Reply-To: <199810021327.JAA17453@sabre.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:27 AM 10/2/98 -0400, John T. Farmer wrote: >>One has to wonder why you want such an odd creature. >> > >The typical use of such a beast would be in a small office to allow 1 or >2 people to dial into the office network. I've also looked for such >a creature for use in specialized networks such as remote access to >plant control systems. Certainly, but why not go either/or. Unless you plan to use the office network for internet access. And I do understand that those using may not have ISDN and some may not have a modem, but what are Andrew's needs. >In both of these examples, there were compelling reasons to _not_ >connect the lan to the Internet or use a VPN through the Internet. VPN What's wrong with the OR-U for access? Don't know about the Netgear stuff much, excecpt that it works well and can be had with ethernet, unlike the 3Com Impact I use at home. Ther is a 4 port version, but what Livingston has is the ability to filter and can use PAP for access control. Not certain if either can be applied to the phone port on the OR-AP version. Different users can have different filters as well. No matter what it appears that 2 pieces of equipment are required or a considerable amount of money and more ports than you need, as you suggest in another message. We are missing the point that is this is hanging off a FBSD box, the serial ports and a 2nd NIC could be used for less than a MP-8 or 1800. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 4 00:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01027 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01020 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA08300; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:58:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-35.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.163) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma008298; Sun Oct 4 02:58:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981004025705.00779ecc@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:57:05 -0500 To: Andrew Kenneth Milton From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Satellite link drivers (was Re: backbone connections in Australia) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809280702.RAA28040@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:34 AM 10/2/98 +1200, Andrew McNaughton wrote: >Has anyone looked into drivers to run the satellite dish directly from >FreeBSD, or do people use windows boxes for that? > >Would the need to route outgoing traffic via a different interface from >incoming traffic create any major problems for doing this under freebsd? Dunno on the first, but as for the 2nd I see no reason why not. Outbound to the net via connection of your choice being the default gateway and everything comes back via the dish. This might be a problem with a firewalled setup, but it should just look like a dual-homed connection. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 4 01:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04894 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.dimpex.com.au (gway.dimpex.com.au [203.36.169.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04888 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apk@dimpex.com.au) Received: by gway.dimpex.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:48:35 +1000 Message-ID: From: Andrew Kaszubski Jnr To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: re chrooted environment Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:48:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to setup a chrooted environment, in which the users only have ftp access: to their own directories (/home/username), and to /usr/local/apache/htdocs/www.theirdomain.name . Would anybody be able to suggest a simple way of doing this, I don't want them to have access to any other directories. Regards Andrew Andrew Kaszubski - Technical Consultant - Mobile: 0411-263-880 Dimpex Pty Ltd - Engineering & Computer Consulting E-mail apk@dimpex.com.au http://www.dimpex.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 4 06:03:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05960 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05906 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA05999 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25715 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:04:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199810041304.JAA25715@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981003204621.04321a00@ccsales.com> from "Randy A. Katz" at "Oct 3, 98 08:46:21 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:04:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Randy A. Katz recently said: > Hi, > I know I'm coming in a bit late here but I had a T-1 with at-work. > The connection speed is good most of the time. > The daytime service is ok. The nightime service is non-existent > but what do you expect from the price (review 1st tier providers > price for a T-1)? I've found that service at night or very early morning is good - at least in the Eastern US. Some providers oversell their T1s. Night time glut would be typical for an ISP that had a high aggregation rate. > They do not tolerate SPAM at all so if you are adding new > customers who have to be dealt with make sure you have an > administrative staff that can do it in a timely manner because > they will do things like: They are your customers and you are responsible. Set the checks and balances first - in writing - and warn violators they can be cut off immediately and forever - depending on the severity. > 1. Put a filter on you without warning and wait for you to > call the next day. They like to put the filter on on Saturday > night...that can really kill a business. 2. Tell you you have to > cancel xyz client now and not forward you the "proof" even when > asked to. That is totally unreasonable. If you had business accounts - those wouldn't notice the Saturday cutoff - but the dial-in's would. If they won't tell you the reason they cut you off or filter you, then you need to get a new provider now. > > At 09:49 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Graphic Rezidew wrote: > >Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do > >some shell, mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am > >saturating my bandwidth. I have decided to get a T-1 and am > >considering service from AT-WORK (a company affiliated with > >AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is quite fair > >$1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from > >providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. The Thing > >that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am wondering > >if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. Does the $1000/month include the line charges to the destination? I suspect not. Depending on the link speed and the area it could be around $400 month. > >NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable > >modem is. I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will > >be a real T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. Would you explain that. You said the service would come from At-home, and now you say separate from at-home. Another question - will they guarantee you the bandwidth. I saw a local ISP advertise in a big way. They had lots of customers - and their only link to the outside world was a T1 to another local ISP. The pipe between the ISP's was full most of the time. Too high an aggregation ratio will make anything fast seem agonizingly slow. The real clue is NOT whether it is a T1 connection - but the guaranteed rate of the connection. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 5 09:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06714 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06659 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24917; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199810051645.MAA24917@sabre.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for... Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Andrew Webster said: >On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, John T. Farmer wrote: [snip] >> >> Read the question again. He's looking for a box that will physically >> connect to an ISDN BRI line _and_ accept ISDN or analog calls (upto v.90) >> as a host. As a "modem box" the nearest equiv. is the 3com/USR MP-8/i >> box. Handles 4 BRIs, accepts ISDN or analog calls & presents them on >> 8 async serial ports. The nearest "ethernet" box that I know of would >> be the Ascend Max1800 with a digital modem card in it. > >The only snag with these products are the huge pricetags attached to them! >Looking at the small number of chips involved in the Portmaster-3, it >can't be all that expensive to make a 2 port version. This would fill an >idea niche between dropping tonnes of cash on a PM-3 when you only need >2 or 3 of these boxes attached to BRIs. Well, the problem is that the chipsets _aren't_ where the expensive part of the PM-3 or the MAX series is... You start looking and it's quickly obvious, even at qty 1 pricing, that there's probably less than $1K(usd) of componments in one of these boxes. The _real_ cost is in the engineering, both hardware and software. And those cost's are going to be nearly the same for a 2 port server box and the 48 port server box. Of course, Ascend _could_ capitolize on soon of the work that has been done on the Pipeline 50/75/85/130/220 series and the Max series to bring out such a unit. Pipe50 sized, 1 or 2 BRI's, ethernet port, 2 or 4 HLDC and modem DSP chipsets. Call it a "Mini-Max." The problem is that such a box would have to be priced in the $1K(usd) price range to sell. Used Max1800's with Digital 56k modem cards are selling in the $4k to $5k range... Given Lucent's focus, I doubt that they would be interested in creating such a product. That's why I was asking if anyone has done any work with FreeBSD and Computer Telephony applications. Given the hardware tools (ISDN BRI card, MVIP bus, DSP-based modems, comm channel processors, etc.) that are available for the ISA & PCI buses, then the "Pico-BSD" efforts would make an excellent and _flexible_ approach to this. I know it can be done, there is at least one WindowsNT based product that I've read about. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee Office: (423)691-6498 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 5 10:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15706 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15700 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25032; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199810051725.NAA25032@sabre.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for... Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:52:32 -0500 "Jeffrey J. Mountin" said: >At 09:27 AM 10/2/98 -0400, John T. Farmer wrote: >>>One has to wonder why you want such an odd creature. >>The typical use of such a beast would be in a small office to allow 1 or >>2 people to dial into the office network. I've also looked for such >>a creature for use in specialized networks such as remote access to >>plant control systems. > >Certainly, but why not go either/or. Unless you plan to use the office >network for internet access. And I do understand that those using may >not have ISDN and some may not have a modem, but what are Andrew's needs. Since he asked in a general way, I'm not really sure what his parameters are. I could design a solution, but I'd need some more info. >>In both of these examples, there were compelling reasons to _not_ >>connect the lan to the Internet or use a VPN through the Internet. > >VPN Yeah, but it appears to be "The next big thing" (tm?). I get questions about it frequently, both for remote dialup to home office and for branch office to home office. >What's wrong with the OR-U for access? Don't know about the Netgear >stuff much, excecpt that it works well and can be had with ethernet, >unlike the 3Com Impact I use at home. Ther is a 4 port version, but >what Livingston has is the ability to filter and can use PAP for access >control. Not certain if either can be applied to the phone port on the >OR-AP version. Different users can have different filters as well. > >No matter what it appears that 2 pieces of equipment are required or a >considerable amount of money and more ports than you need, as you suggest >in another message. > >We are missing the point that is this is hanging off a FBSD box, the >serial ports and a 2nd NIC could be used for less than a MP-8 or 1800. Depending on the needs, this can work well and a low cost. Had a client that wanted to be able to dial directly into his office lan both from home and on the road. Also wanted to be able to have one of his employees dial-in also. Client had ISDN at home, x2/v.90 modem in his laptop. Employee had 33.6 modem. We brought an ISDN BRI circuit to his equipment closet where we had a FreeBSD box doing several other tasks. Strapped a Courier 33.6 to the POTS port of a Courier I-modem, programmed them for incoming calls, and connected to the 2 motherboard serial ports. Was it the most elegant solution? prob. not. Did it do what the client wanted? Yes. Total install cost was ~$600. Another approach we've worked on for other clients did use VPN with the remotes dialing into our modem pool and being tunnelled on their office dedicated link back to their lan. Again, special requirements. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. 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X-Emacs: Emacs 20.3, MULE 4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.8.5 - "Nishi-Takaoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 05 Oct 1998 23:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Lines: 23 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm supporting an ISP who's outgrown the single box we have running WWW, FTP, SMTP, POP, and IMAP. It also does RADIUS authentication for the dialup server. Accounts are created on this single box so the user gets RADIUS authenticated against /etc/passwd, just as the FTP, POP, IMAP stuff does. The normal "adduser" script is run to create accounts. I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe on both for redundancy. How would you securely and robustly mirror the /etc/passwd type of information? I'm not keen on NIS, due to security concerns. In other situations, I've used "rsync" over "ssh" with host key authentication and it's worked well. I've never used it for /etc/passwd and I'm concerned about stuff like failed updates or partial updates leaving the send-to box with a corrupt /etc/passwd, preventing everyone (including root) access. What have you used that works well for you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 5 21:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21338 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from modex.com (modex.com [209.57.82.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21316 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdl@modex.com) Received: from paranoid (paranoid.modex.com [209.57.83.252]) by modex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA02751; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jim" To: "Andrew Kaszubski Jnr" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: re chrooted environment Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdf0dd$d5337580$fc5339d1@paranoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.proftpd.org/ It is also in the ports collection. Jim > I would like to setup a chrooted environment, in which the users only have > ftp access: to their own directories (/home/username), > and to /usr/local/apache/htdocs/www.theirdomain.name . > Would anybody be able to suggest a simple way of doing this, I don't want > them to have access to any other > directories. > > Regards Andrew > > Andrew Kaszubski - Technical Consultant - Mobile: 0411-263-880 > Dimpex Pty Ltd - Engineering & Computer Consulting > E-mail apk@dimpex.com.au http://www.dimpex.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 5 21:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21476 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21463 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA13235; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:59:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-reply-to: Your message of "05 Oct 1998 23:15:54 EDT." <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <13231.907646386@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Shenton wrote in message ID <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org>: > What have you used that works well for you? Don't use /etc/passwd. Most programs can be configured to use another password/user information source. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 05:31:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07742 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07729 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04598; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Oct 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > I'm supporting an ISP who's outgrown the single box we have running > WWW, FTP, SMTP, POP, and IMAP. It also does RADIUS authentication for > the dialup server. Accounts are created on this single box so the user > gets RADIUS authenticated against /etc/passwd, just as the FTP, POP, > IMAP stuff does. The normal "adduser" script is run to create > accounts. > > I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for > SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe > on both for redundancy. Good plan > How would you securely and robustly mirror the /etc/passwd type of > information? > > I'm not keen on NIS, due to security concerns. In other situations, > I've used "rsync" over "ssh" with host key authentication and it's > worked well. I've never used it for /etc/passwd and I'm concerned > about stuff like failed updates or partial updates leaving the send-to > box with a corrupt /etc/passwd, preventing everyone (including root) > access. > > What have you used that works well for you? I skipped the rsync option, and went straight for scp and pwd_mkdb. This solution has worked rather well for the past year or so. -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 05:58:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11677 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from loviatar.webcom.com (loviatar.webcom.com [209.1.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11657 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u@webcom.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by loviatar.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA09342; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:57:58 -0700 Received: from [199.183.207.57] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 9383452; Tue Oct 06 05:56 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <361A3D16.14B5@webcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:53:58 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Shenton Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Shenton wrote: > > I'm supporting an ISP who's outgrown the single box we have running > WWW, FTP, SMTP, POP, and IMAP. It also does RADIUS authentication for > the dialup server. Accounts are created on this single box so the user > gets RADIUS authenticated against /etc/passwd, just as the FTP, POP, > IMAP stuff does. The normal "adduser" script is run to create > accounts. > > I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for > SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe > on both for redundancy. May I ask maybe a dumb question, as I am involved as a newbie in setting up our own server much like the above (except for dialup), and hope some day to have this problem ;-) Why not duplicate the box and split the users across boxes? That way if one box goes down, only half your users suffer. It's scalable, as for yet more users you just add another box, and you can load-balance the boxes easily for good utilization by allocating users appropriately. Configuration is the same from box to box, and having hardware spares is easy. The only thing that might connect the boxes is having them do secondary DNS for each other. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 07:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24140 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24123 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steven@shellnet.co.uk) Received: from STEVENF (eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.8]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with SMTP id PAA06890 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:22:49 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:22:49 +0100 (BST) From: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IP Load balancing Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:22:50 GMT Message-ID: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA24135 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've recently encountered a product on WinNT, named Convoy and I am wondering if there is anything at all like this for FreeBSD... I'll explain. It basically is a way of 2 machines and 2/4 network cards sharing one IP address. They talk to each other (via MAC I belive) and also talk to the router which they are connected to via the network, answering ARP requests in a kind of you-me order. If one server crashes then the other one takes over regardless. Now; FreeBSD has never - in over a year now of using it crashed for me :).... but as a service to our customers we do boast high levels of redundancy - You get the picture.... so basically is there any kind of sharing system like this for FreeBSD ? Round-Robin DNS is not the answer - if we take one server offline then every 2nd user gets a duff connection. Any suggestions most appreciated... thanks. Steven Fletcher steven@shellnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 07:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00758 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pendel.imagination.at (gw.imagination.at [194.152.163.250] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00742 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from step@imagination.at) Received: from imagination.at (localhost.imagination.at [127.0.0.1]) by pendel.imagination.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24225 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:52:31 GMT (envelope-from step@imagination.at) Message-ID: <361A4ACF.E61A54AA@imagination.at> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:52:31 +0000 From: Stephan Mantler Organization: Imagination X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2CAM-19980716-SNAP i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fun with route(8) ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [repost since nobody responded in -questions] Hi, I'm experiencing a surprising amount of trouble with our local routing configuration. Basically, we have a freebsd box with three interfaces: 192.168.1.1/24 and 192.168.2.1/24 to the local subnets and one for the uplink. The problem is that the next-hop router is on a different class C subnet than the gateway's uplink interface (which is a /32 address). the gateway is running 2.2CAM-19980716-SNAP (on top of 2.2.7). Let's say the gateway's external interface was 194.123.123.250, and the uplink 194.123.128.10/24. So what we tried was: route add -host 194.123.128.10 194.123.123.250 -interface route add -net default 194.123.128.10 result: couldn't even ping the uplink. second route doesn't work, 'network unreachable' (why is that? according to the man pages, -interface specifies that the dst is directly reachable!). specifying the interface name as the gateway address (ie. route add -host 194.128.128.10 -interface xl2) didn't work either. after endless hours of poking around, i finally found a way to trick freebsd into doing the right thing: - ifconfig the uplink interface to /16 - add routes (works now, bsd believes they are on the same subnet) - ifconfig interface back to /32 what am i missing out? (this ugly hack can't be the only way, right?) thanks in advance for any comments/help, -step. -- stephan mantler : triathlete, CG & Network hacker, fire fighter. Reality is in fact virtual. 286 days until Ironman Austria. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 09:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13876 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from consuela.megasurf.net (consuela.megasurf.net [209.96.180.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13871 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhundley@consuela.megasurf.net) Received: from localhost (dhundley@localhost) by consuela.megasurf.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00227; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:24:38 GMT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:24:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Delbert Hundley To: Troy Settle cc: Chris Shenton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. Del Hundley MegaSurf, Inc. On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Troy Settle wrote: > > On 5 Oct 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > > > I'm supporting an ISP who's outgrown the single box we have running > > WWW, FTP, SMTP, POP, and IMAP. It also does RADIUS authentication for > > the dialup server. Accounts are created on this single box so the user > > gets RADIUS authenticated against /etc/passwd, just as the FTP, POP, > > IMAP stuff does. The normal "adduser" script is run to create > > accounts. > > > > I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for > > SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe > > on both for redundancy. > > Good plan > > > How would you securely and robustly mirror the /etc/passwd type of > > information? > > > > I'm not keen on NIS, due to security concerns. In other situations, > > I've used "rsync" over "ssh" with host key authentication and it's > > worked well. I've never used it for /etc/passwd and I'm concerned > > about stuff like failed updates or partial updates leaving the send-to > > box with a corrupt /etc/passwd, preventing everyone (including root) > > access. > > > > What have you used that works well for you? > > I skipped the rsync option, and went straight for scp and pwd_mkdb. This > solution has worked rather well for the past year or so. > > > -- > Troy Settle > Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services > http://www.i-Plus.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 09:03:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14027 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14003 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24002; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Oct 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > I'm not keen on NIS, due to security concerns. In other situations, > I've used "rsync" over "ssh" with host key authentication and it's > worked well. I've never used it for /etc/passwd and I'm concerned > about stuff like failed updates or partial updates leaving the send-to > box with a corrupt /etc/passwd, preventing everyone (including root) > access. > > What have you used that works well for you? Try this in a script running on the receiving end. Copy master.passwd to someplace other than /etc, say /root/pwd, and then test before installing. if [ -f master.passwd ] then if /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -c master.passwd then chmod 600 master.passwd mv master.passwd /etc /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd fi fi Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, a California corporation dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 09:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23957 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from absinthe.shenton.org (Absinthe.Shenton.Org [209.31.147.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23939 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@shenton.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by absinthe.shenton.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA09136; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Graeme Tait Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> <361A3D16.14B5@webcom.com> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.3, MULE 4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.8.5 - "Nishi-Takaoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 06 Oct 1998 12:43:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: Graeme Tait's message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:53:58 -0700" Message-ID: <87soh1tzd2.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graeme Tait writes: > Why not duplicate the box and split the users across boxes? That way if > one box goes down, only half your users suffer. It's scalable, as for > yet more users you just add another box, and you can load-balance the > boxes easily for good utilization by allocating users appropriately. > Configuration is the same from box to box, and having hardware spares is > easy. The only thing that might connect the boxes is having them do > secondary DNS for each other. Cuz sendmail and web stuff are big applications. I don't think their size and resource consumption is terribly related to the number of users (my customers, not outsiders hitting the web). But it would be a good idea for me to mirror the web stuff on the mail server and the mail stuff on the web server just in case. But frankly: I installed FreeBSD-2.1.5 two years ago and it's only gone down once (unplanned) that I'm aware of. Not too shabby, and one of the best advertisements I know of for FreeBSD versus other platforms. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 11:36:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13567 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13545 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27342; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: Delbert Hundley cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Delbert Hundley wrote: > What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. The ssh version of rcp Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, a California corporation dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 11:57:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18609 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (pppk-13.igrin.co.nz [202.49.245.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18575 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA05798; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:57:24 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:57:23 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > I've recently encountered a product on WinNT, named Convoy and I am > wondering if there is anything at all like this for FreeBSD... I'll > explain. > > It basically is a way of 2 machines and 2/4 network cards sharing one > IP address. They talk to each other (via MAC I belive) and also talk > to the router which they are connected to via the network, answering > ARP requests in a kind of you-me order. > > If one server crashes then the other one takes over regardless. > > Now; FreeBSD has never - in over a year now of using it crashed for me > :).... but as a service to our customers we do boast high levels of > redundancy - You get the picture.... so basically is there any kind of > sharing system like this for FreeBSD ? Round-Robin DNS is not the > answer - if we take one server offline then every 2nd user gets a duff > connection. This came up on the database@freebsd.org list some months back. Try searching for HA and 'high availablity' on that lists archives. As I remember, the gist of it was to make the switch at the IP to ethernet address translation in the routing tables. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 12:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20508 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20414 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA130216740; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:12:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Steven Fletcher Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > It basically is a way of 2 machines and 2/4 network cards sharing one > IP address. They talk to each other (via MAC I belive) and also talk > to the router which they are connected to via the network, answering > ARP requests in a kind of you-me order. I have no knowledge on the product you speak of, but I can assure you that it doesn't "talk" via MAC, anymore then you make phone calls via phone number. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 13:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05095 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05046 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19193; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:10:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981006151049.60239@futuresouth.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:10:49 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Troy Settle Cc: Chris Shenton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Troy Settle on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:31:23AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:31:23AM -0400, Troy Settle woke me up to tell me: > > I skipped the rsync option, and went straight for scp and pwd_mkdb. This > solution has worked rather well for the past year or so. I'm doing something like this now. We used to use NIS, but it started spouting a lot of problems, so I tossed it. Use rdist, and specify -P /usr/local/bin/ssh on the command line so that it uses ssh instead of rsh to distribute the files, and use RSA key authentication. I just stuck it on the end of all our user modification scripts so it would automagically re-dist the files when anything was changed. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 14:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25132 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25025 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28013; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Delbert Hundley cc: Troy Settle , Chris Shenton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:24:38 -0000." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <28007.907708818@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Delbert Hundley wrote in message ID : > What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. The SSH version of RCP. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 14:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28669 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28513 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zQehU-0005Do-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:31:20 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981006222923.009d2330@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:29:23 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: IP Load balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The really cute way to do this is with a layer 4 switch ... something like an alteon @10k odd + so it needs to be a serious solution requirement. The switch itself has the ip address that is publically accessed and behind it sits a network with it's on set of ip addresses etc. The switch farms out the traffic as required in a pretty clever way, including tracking sessions, having load balancing ruels, making sure the servers are up with both pings and response checks on port 80 blah blah. Something a few people do that's also useful is to have the site set-up/configured on two servers but only running on one with requests coming in on a virtual interface. If this server goes down you have systems in place to bring that ip address up on your back up server and things start to work again with very little down time. Variations are possible of course ... At 14:22 06/10/98 GMT, Steven Fletcher wrote: >I've recently encountered a product on WinNT, named Convoy and I am >wondering if there is anything at all like this for FreeBSD... I'll >explain. > >It basically is a way of 2 machines and 2/4 network cards sharing one >IP address. They talk to each other (via MAC I belive) and also talk >to the router which they are connected to via the network, answering >ARP requests in a kind of you-me order. > >If one server crashes then the other one takes over regardless. > >Now; FreeBSD has never - in over a year now of using it crashed for me >:).... but as a service to our customers we do boast high levels of >redundancy - You get the picture.... so basically is there any kind of >sharing system like this for FreeBSD ? Round-Robin DNS is not the >answer - if we take one server offline then every 2nd user gets a duff >connection. > >Any suggestions most appreciated... thanks. > >Steven Fletcher >steven@shellnet.com > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 16:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23707 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23614 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18129; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:12:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018127; Tue Oct 6 18:12:08 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006180534.00f762c4@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:05:34 -0500 To: Graeme Tait From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <361A3D16.14B5@webcom.com> References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:53 AM 10/6/98 -0700, Graeme Tait wrote: >Chris Shenton wrote: >> >> I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for >> SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe >> on both for redundancy. > > >May I ask maybe a dumb question, as I am involved as a newbie in setting >up our own server much like the above (except for dialup), and hope some >day to have this problem ;-) > >Why not duplicate the box and split the users across boxes? That way if >one box goes down, only half your users suffer. It's scalable, as for >yet more users you just add another box, and you can load-balance the >boxes easily for good utilization by allocating users appropriately. >Configuration is the same from box to box, and having hardware spares is >easy. The only thing that might connect the boxes is having them do >secondary DNS for each other. This creates overhead in administrating the users. Load balancing implies that you are mirroring and then the thorny issue of how to mirror comes up. Some day there will be a good solution for this like Novell's, which mirrors in real time over a private fibre connection. It's better to break out services to various servers, so that only one service may be down for the customer. If it's fixed quickly, they usually don't mind, but when "everything" is down for them. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 16:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00791 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postal.grin.net (postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00693 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@grin.net) Received: from fish.grin.net (jon@fish.grin.net [209.104.220.40]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07893; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by fish.grin.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21633; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: fish.grin.net: jon owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Villarreal To: Delbert Hundley cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org scp = secure copy, part of the ssh distribution. ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh/ Regards, Jon On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Delbert Hundley wrote: > What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 16:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02853 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02808 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18206; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:54:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018204; Tue Oct 6 18:54:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006184750.00f74c4c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:47:50 -0500 To: Chris Shenton From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <87soh1tzd2.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> <361A3D16.14B5@webcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:43 PM 10/6/98 -0400, Chris Shenton wrote: >Graeme Tait writes: > >> Why not duplicate the box and split the users across boxes? That way if >> one box goes down, only half your users suffer. It's scalable, as for >> yet more users you just add another box, and you can load-balance the >> boxes easily for good utilization by allocating users appropriately. >> Configuration is the same from box to box, and having hardware spares is >> easy. The only thing that might connect the boxes is having them do >> secondary DNS for each other. > >Cuz sendmail and web stuff are big applications. I don't think their >size and resource consumption is terribly related to the number of >users (my customers, not outsiders hitting the web). Neither are all that "big" really. Depends on how much you are doing for each, but generally httpd will take up more memory on and sendmail has more disk IO. >But it would be a good idea for me to mirror the web stuff on the mail >server and the mail stuff on the web server just in case. How are you going to _reliably_ mirror mail, especially mailboxes. This has been discussed before and there wasn't any good answer. Search the hackers list. And before anyone answers about mirroring, I'm talking about at the OS level, not using variations with tar, scp, scripts, et all. >But frankly: I installed FreeBSD-2.1.5 two years ago and it's only >gone down once (unplanned) that I'm aware of. Not too shabby, and one >of the best advertisements I know of for FreeBSD versus other >platforms. About what I've seen. Very reliable even under heavy loads. Now you had the right idea to break out services: >I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for >SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe >on both for redundancy. Don't know what you have for hardware and how much traffic each service will get, but here is a good outline plan: Considering that a 486 w/16-32MB and one disk can deal with DNS. These could also do secondary MX. RADIUS could also reside here and depending on if you do detailed accounting or the overall disk IO you may want another drive for that. Use the current 2 servers. One handling ftp and http, the other doing primary MX, POP, and IMAP. You end up with: server 1 - DNS (master), MX (secodnary), RADIUS (secondary) server 2 - DNS (slave), MX (secodnary), RADIUS (primary) server 3 - MX (primary), POP, IMAP server 4 - ftp, http Most important to customers is dialing in and mail. Should either auth server die, they still get in. Should the POP server fall over, _some_ mail may be lost, but any new mail will not bounce. We are not trying to be 100% redundant here, just covering some redundancy with minimal hardware and work in a way that is easy to manage. Is the ftp for web page or acutal ftp sites? Does this mean no user account telnet in general and no telnet for ftp/www clients? Regardless it is good to lump these together and do virtual hosting. This setup also means that no user accounts need be on the DNS/MX/RADIUS servers and access could be limited to strictly secure connections or console. As suggested by Gary, an alternate passwd file can be used on the mail server. Depending on the query load, RADIUS may want more power than a 486. The mail and ftp/web servers should have at least 64MB, IMHO. Personally I'd recommend feeding the web server memory until it consistantly leaves a decent amount free. This allows FBSD to do it's magic cache thing, well not magic, but it works well. That covers over-all load sharing for some services and some basic security in the over setup planning. Without going into detail both the mail and ftp/www servers should have more than one drive to spread disk IO. On the ftp/www server using one drive for the OS, one for the docs, and one for logging will go far. Did a bit more than 5M hits on a 486/66 w/32 with such a setup. The mail server should a drive for the OS, mailboxes, and spool. This allows for growth and I've not gone past the point where this needed changing. At little planning will extend the life of each server and adding more memory and disk is easy, depending on the needs of each service and system. And yeah there is a lot more that others and myself can add, but this gives a good idea of where to start. cheers! Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 17:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05483 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hera.webcom.com (hera.webcom.com [209.1.28.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05410 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u@webcom.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hera.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26324; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:08:39 -0700 Received: from [199.183.207.110] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 4378868; Tue Oct 06 17:07 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <361ADA58.58B7@webcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:04:56 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? References: <87hfxiv0r9.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> <3.0.3.32.19981006180534.00f762c4@207.227.119.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: [format auto-recovered by secretary.echidna.com] > At 08:53 AM 10/6/98 -0700, Graeme Tait wrote: > >Chris Shenton wrote: > >> > >> I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for > >> SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe > >> on both for redundancy. > > > > > >May I ask maybe a dumb question, as I am involved as a newbie in setting > >up our own server much like the above (except for dialup), and hope some > >day to have this problem ;-) > > > >Why not duplicate the box and split the users across boxes? That way if > >one box goes down, only half your users suffer. It's scalable, as for > >yet more users you just add another box, and you can load-balance the > >boxes easily for good utilization by allocating users appropriately. > >Configuration is the same from box to box, and having hardware spares is > >easy. The only thing that might connect the boxes is having them do > >secondary DNS for each other. > > This creates overhead in administrating the users. Load balancing implies that you > are mirroring and then the thorny issue of how to mirror comes up. Some day there > will be a good solution for this like Novell's, which mirrors in real time over a > private fibre connection. By "load balancing" I simply meant that if box A had more load than box B, you would allocate the next new user to box B (or move users if necessary). > It's better to break out services to various servers, so that only one service may be > down for the customer. If it's fixed quickly, they usually don't mind, but when > "everything" is down for them. I can see it cutting both ways. If you had say 5 boxes in my model and one went down, 20% of users are affected. If all there email was on one box in the alternate model, 100% of email is down. The model I suggested seems to be that successfully used by pair.com (running FreeBSD, of course). Another advantage of essentially identical boxes is that upgrades can be tested on a subset of the system before total commitment. > Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking > jeff@mountin.net -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 17:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06804 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06687 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18310; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018308; Tue Oct 6 19:15:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006190840.00f75448@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:08:40 -0500 To: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher), freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:22 PM 10/6/98 GMT, Steven Fletcher wrote: >I've recently encountered a product on WinNT, named Convoy and I am >wondering if there is anything at all like this for FreeBSD... I'll >explain. > >It basically is a way of 2 machines and 2/4 network cards sharing one >IP address. They talk to each other (via MAC I belive) and also talk >to the router which they are connected to via the network, answering >ARP requests in a kind of you-me order. This sounds like Spider (?), which is supposed to do real time mirroring of filesystems between server pairs. DNS is setup for server distribution eg: server_1 IN A ip_1 server_2 IN A ip_2 server IN CNAME server_1 server IN CNAME server_2 >If one server crashes then the other one takes over regardless. Tranparently to the world. >Now; FreeBSD has never - in over a year now of using it crashed for me >:).... but as a service to our customers we do boast high levels of >redundancy - You get the picture.... so basically is there any kind of >sharing system like this for FreeBSD ? Round-Robin DNS is not the >answer - if we take one server offline then every 2nd user gets a duff >connection. Huh? You have 2 misconceptions here. Distributed "Round-Robin" DNS would not mean a "duff" connection for every 2nd or nth user. DNS always checks alternatives and the choice of them is supposed to be random. Only hacks. No bullet-proof, commerical quality program for this on FBSD, AFAIK. The problem is in mirroring the server in real time, especially on a very active filesystem, without losing or corrupting data. Not sure but I believe that something is being worked on, not sure if this is a thing-that-it-may-do-someday for Greg Lehey's Vinum or something else altogether. Don't feel like searching the archives at the moment either and threads on hackers get overly-long at times (ducks). Certainly something that everyone wants and could use. 8-) Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 18:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24431 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24365 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01460; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:33:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Graeme Tait cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:04:56 PDT." <361ADA58.58B7@webcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1456.907723995@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graeme Tait wrote in message ID <361ADA58.58B7@webcom.com>: > I can see it cutting both ways. If you had say 5 boxes in my model > and one we nt down, 20% of users are affected. If all there email > was on one box in the alternate model, 100% of email is down. > The model I suggested seems to be that successfully used by pair.com > (running FreeBSD, of course). > Another advantage of essentially identical boxes is that upgrades > can be test ed on a subset of the system before total commitment. It also creates interesting problems when you grow large enough. All our servers are broken out by function (to the point of different NS machines for customer resolvers and nameservers for acutally holding local domain information, inbound & outbound & virtual mail machines are all broken out, etc. It makes it administratively cleaner, and stops people fighting over tuning options and system setups and so on.... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 20:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16508 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16447 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18720; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018718; Tue Oct 6 22:15:04 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006220817.00f7f3d4@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:08:17 -0500 To: Manar Hussain , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981006222923.009d2330@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:29 PM 10/6/98 +0100, Manar Hussain wrote: > >The really cute way to do this is with a layer 4 switch ... something like >an alteon @10k odd + so it needs to be a serious solution requirement. The >switch itself has the ip address that is publically accessed and behind it >sits a network with it's on set of ip addresses etc. The switch farms out >the traffic as required in a pretty clever way, including tracking >sessions, having load balancing ruels, making sure the servers are up with >both pings and response checks on port 80 blah blah. Just what is meant by layer4 vs layer 3 or layer 2 switching, the last being most common. Not sure if they count up or down (up? from hardware level). What you suggest guarntee's a better balance than distributed DNS. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 20:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19537 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19520; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18742; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018740; Tue Oct 6 22:31:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006222438.00f7f438@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:24:38 -0500 To: "Gary Palmer" , Graeme Tait From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1456.907723995@gjp.erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:33 PM 10/6/98 -0400, Gary Palmer wrote: >It also creates interesting problems when you grow large enough. All >our servers are broken out by function (to the point of different NS >machines for customer resolvers and nameservers for acutally holding >local domain information, inbound & outbound & virtual mail machines >are all broken out, etc. It makes it administratively cleaner, and >stops people fighting over tuning options and system setups and so >on.... Bingo! And amen! "more work to maintain" = "bad planning" At least with my suggestion along with using a /some/where/else/passwd file, it's easy to share the passwords. Even better would be to keep them on a secured server that would be used internally by techs and such for account additions etc. This server would have a twin and both could be queried by all other servers via a private network ala 2nd NIC for a bit more security. At one point a plan using a 2nd NIC in each server to connect to a central clearinghouse via NIS was worked out, which can be done fairly secure, but telnet access by users makes life difficult. Of course when you get really BIG, it means some kind of user addition distribution and using hubs for certain things eg SMTP/POP, but I don't think the originator had that in mind for now. At least until his users number in the 10's of thousands on up, which just begs to have a central location for user vitals. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 20:36:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20704 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hi.pu.ru (xi.pu.ru [193.124.85.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20644 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from igor@hi.pu.ru) Received: (from igor@localhost) by hi.pu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12076; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:36:32 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from igor) Message-ID: <19981007073632.45886@pu.ru> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:36:32 +0400 From: Igor Nikolaev To: Steven Fletcher , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing References: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <361a2474.1852724@smtp.shellnet.co.uk>; from Steven Fletcher on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 02:22:50PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 02:22:50PM +0000, Steven Fletcher wrote: > If one server crashes then the other one takes over regardless. I use next standard solution: Two servers have installed ospf routing protocol and identical loopbacked ip numbers witch two different costs: /etc/gated.conf: ospf yes { backbone { stubhosts { 10.0.0.1 cost value; }; }; }; /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_lo0_alias1="inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffffff" If first server (with cost 1) crashed, then all queries redirected to second server (with cost 2). > Steven Fletcher --- Igor Nikolaev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 21:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27194 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27082; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA18875; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from luthien-10.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.10) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018873; Tue Oct 6 23:02:02 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981006225510.00f7dbec@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:55:10 -0500 To: "Gary Palmer" , Delbert Hundley From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <28007.907708818@gjp.erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:20 PM 10/6/98 -0400, Gary Palmer wrote: >Delbert Hundley wrote in message ID >: >> What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. > >The SSH version of RCP. Forgot to mention that scp is part of the ssh port, which is not obvious. Hmmm... Yarg! Looks like ssh has been commited to a bit lately. ;) Seaching the ports for scp gives only ja-escpf-0.4b2, but if you use ssh and read the Makefile or PLIST. Knowing about, I just tried a web page seach and nada. Might be a worth mention. What the hell... Seaching for rcp in the ports only turns up rshell-1.0, but rcp is definately in the desc for ssh. No matter what, it's not obvious unless you know. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 6 23:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16589 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16583 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05210; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:02:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Graeme Tait , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:24:38 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19981006222438.00f7f438@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <5206.907740171@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote in message ID <3.0.3.32.19981006222438.00f7f438@207.227.119.2>: > At least with my suggestion along with using a /some/where/else/passwd file, > it's easy to share the passwords. All the popular servers that I've used (qpopper, sendmail, apache, etc) can work with non-getpass* routines with minimal work. This also drastically increases the security of the machine, as the real password information can be kept hidden from the daemons and hence from the outside world. It also gets around UID limits inherent in some systems (e.g. NFS, other unixes), as you don't need to assign unique UID's either (although stuff like ftpd, apache, etc needs work to stop people from having access to other peoples files) > At least until his users number in the 10's of thousands on up, which just > begs to have a central location for user vitals. Anywhere over 10k also begs not to be using the berkeley DB format. Put your information into Postgres, MySQL, etc and then generate CDB files regularly and push them out to the servers. Or use LDAP (if you can find a server which (a) works, (b) isn't netscape, and (c) scales) But don't use DBM. It gets really slow to build the larger files. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 02:44:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21231 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21226 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04751; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:44:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:44:20 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Manar Hussain cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981006222923.009d2330@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Manar Hussain wrote: > The really cute way to do this is with a layer 4 switch ... something like > an alteon @10k odd + so it needs to be a serious solution requirement. The > switch itself has the ip address that is publically accessed and behind it > sits a network with it's on set of ip addresses etc. The switch farms out > the traffic as required in a pretty clever way, including tracking > sessions, having load balancing ruels, making sure the servers are up with > both pings and response checks on port 80 blah blah. > > Something a few people do that's also useful is to have the site > set-up/configured on two servers but only running on one with requests > coming in on a virtual interface. If this server goes down you have systems > in place to bring that ip address up on your back up server and things > start to work again with very little down time. > > Variations are possible of course ... Hi, I actually started working on something like this in house, the idea was to have a FreeBSD box (possibly running PicoBSD) sitting as our front router... It then 'accepts' all incoming requests for Web, SMTP, POP3 etc. - and maintains a list of 'known' working servers, and will forward the connect to each server depending on a set of rules... Servers are checked to be active / up before the connection is accepted / forwarded, so that in theory the end user uses only 1 IP and see's 100% uptime... I've finished the first part of this, which is a 'dummy' POP3 server that will accept and authenticate _anybody_ and just tell them they don't have any new mail - this is the 'fallback' server, i.e. if all our POP3 servers are down the user gets DummyPop instead... Cruel, but it works ;-) If I get a chance I'll get the details written up and on the web... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 05:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08014 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07998 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA26831; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:00:11 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-177.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.177), claiming to be "tpgi.com.au" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda26811; Wed Oct 7 22:00:06 1998 Message-ID: <361B579C.69089B21@tpgi.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:59:24 +1000 From: Eddie Irvine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephan Mantler CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fun with route(8) ... References: <361A4ACF.E61A54AA@imagination.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stephan Mantler wrote: > I'm experiencing a surprising amount of trouble with our local routing > configuration. Basically, we have a freebsd box with three interfaces: > 192.168.1.1/24 and 192.168.2.1/24 to the local subnets and one for > the uplink. The problem is that the next-hop router is on a different > class C subnet than the gateway's uplink interface (which is a /32 > address). > > the gateway is running 2.2CAM-19980716-SNAP (on top of 2.2.7). > > Let's say the gateway's external interface was 194.123.123.250, and > the uplink 194.123.128.10/24. > > So what we tried was: > route add -host 194.123.128.10 194.123.123.250 -interface > route add -net default 194.123.128.10 > > result: couldn't even ping the uplink. second route doesn't work, > 'network unreachable' (why is that? according to the man pages, > -interface specifies that the dst is directly reachable!). specifying > the interface name as the gateway address (ie. route add -host > 194.128.128.10 -interface xl2) didn't work either. > > after endless hours of poking around, i finally found a way to trick > freebsd into doing the right thing: > > - ifconfig the uplink interface to /16 > - add routes (works now, bsd believes they are on the same subnet) > - ifconfig interface back to /32 > > what am i missing out? (this ugly hack can't be the only way, right?) > > thanks in advance for any comments/help, > -step. Umm, since no one else has replied yet... I kinda thought that the IP router closest to you HAD to be on the same IP subnet as your interface. What IP number is at the other end or your gateway interface? Let me know how you get on. Eddie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 07:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25394 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from office.omc.net (office.omc.net [195.185.142.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25353 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LutzRab@omc.net) Received: from lutz (lutz.omc.net [195.185.142.3]) by office.omc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA05857 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199810071408.QAA05857@office.omc.net> From: "Lutz Rabing" Organization: OMCnet IS GmbH To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Off topic: German ISPs only please] Reply-to: domain@omc.net In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Date sent: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:17:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Off topic: German ISPs only please] > > Hi, > > I have a customer who requires a .de domain. It seems from reading the > DENIC web site that we must deal with a German ISP who is a .de > reseller, than with DENIC directly. Hilink will set up the primary and > secondary name servers. I'd like to hear from German ISPs who can quote > on providing this service. > > Dankeschoen, > > Danny Hi, we are an German ISP with "DE-NIC access". We could register a .DE Domain for you for about DM 65,- (~ $40) first year and DM 50,- (~ $30) every other year. You would need to setup the two nameservers prior to registration (will be checked by DE-NIC) on two different class-c networks. If both DNS are in the same net, this is considered a SPOF (single point of failure) and the domain request will be rejected. Furthermore you need to setup the DNS record like this: domain.de. 86400 SOA ns4.omc.net. root.delta.omc.net. ( 1998010858 ; serial 84600 ; refresh (23 hours 30 mins) 7200 ; retry (2 hours) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) The retry and refresh values are also checked by the DE-NIC. Regards, Lutz Rabing -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- http://www.omc.net - Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Lutz Rabing -OMCnet- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 07:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25840 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25762 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21928; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:00:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361B73EE.9AB61048@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:00:14 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eddie Irvine CC: Stephan Mantler , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fun with route(8) ... References: <361A4ACF.E61A54AA@imagination.at> <361B579C.69089B21@tpgi.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eddie Irvine wrote: > Stephan Mantler wrote: > > > I'm experiencing a surprising amount of trouble with our local routing > > configuration. Basically, we have a freebsd box with three interfaces: > > 192.168.1.1/24 and 192.168.2.1/24 to the local subnets and one for > > the uplink. The problem is that the next-hop router is on a different > > class C subnet than the gateway's uplink interface (which is a /32 > > address). > > > > the gateway is running 2.2CAM-19980716-SNAP (on top of 2.2.7). > > > > Let's say the gateway's external interface was 194.123.123.250, and > > the uplink 194.123.128.10/24. > > > > So what we tried was: > > route add -host 194.123.128.10 194.123.123.250 -interface > > route add -net default 194.123.128.10 > > > > result: couldn't even ping the uplink. second route doesn't work, > > 'network unreachable' (why is that? according to the man pages, > > -interface specifies that the dst is directly reachable!). specifying > > the interface name as the gateway address (ie. route add -host > > 194.128.128.10 -interface xl2) didn't work either. > > > > after endless hours of poking around, i finally found a way to trick > > freebsd into doing the right thing: > > > > - ifconfig the uplink interface to /16 > > - add routes (works now, bsd believes they are on the same subnet) > > - ifconfig interface back to /32 > > > > what am i missing out? (this ugly hack can't be the only way, right?) > > > > thanks in advance for any comments/help, > > -step. > > Umm, since no one else has replied yet... I kinda thought that > the IP router closest to you HAD to be on the same IP subnet as > your interface. What IP number is at the other end or your gateway > interface? > > Let me know how you get on. > > Eddie. I've done this with disorganized cable companies with no ill effects with a lot of strange subnets and various gateways and no load balancing. It is a "quick and dirty" solution. This is a little unsual that two ends of a cable be on two different class "c"'s. Mine have been /30 or /28 on a class c and I have used the complete class c on the interface to te able to choose the better GW. What I have never tried is to bring it back to the original netmask. I never needed to and wouldn't have thought that it would work. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 08:53:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16873 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16853 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21215; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:52:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-79.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.207) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma021213; Wed Oct 7 10:52:29 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981007104128.007716dc@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:41:28 -0500 To: Eddie Irvine , Stephan Mantler From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: fun with route(8) ... Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <361B579C.69089B21@tpgi.com.au> References: <361A4ACF.E61A54AA@imagination.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:59 PM 10/7/98 +1000, Eddie Irvine wrote: >Stephan Mantler wrote: > >Umm, since no one else has replied yet... I kinda thought that >the IP router closest to you HAD to be on the same IP subnet as >your interface. What IP number is at the other end or your gateway >interface? I did and it turns out he's dealing with a bridge situation, so the IPs do not have to be the same. Recommended yes, necessary no. Just a matter now of figuring out the equipment's quirks. Know anything about PairGain and bridging? Read a white paper and they started calling them edge switches and not edge routers. Either way, fun to config. NOT! Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 10:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08396 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.dcomm.net (mail1.dcomm.net [209.63.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08387 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from terrye@deepwell.com) Received: from terry ([209.63.174.33]) by mail1.dcomm.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# DIGITALCOMMUNICATIONS-1997LS) with SMTP id AAA107 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:22:11 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981007103514.00a287d0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@mail1.dcomm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:46:10 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Terry Ewing Subject: 2.2-stable -> 2.2.7 Conversion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Currently we're running a webserver on 2.2-stable. I'd like to upgrade this machine to 2.2.7 and eventually bring it to 3.0 later. Since the web server is a very high traffic machine I've decided to build a second machine, throw 2.2.7 on it, copy user directories over to it, and name it with the same IP. If this all goes right then users should never know the difference. Here's the catch... When I did this, and copied /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd over from the 2.2.stable machine it stops recognizing passwords. What was a valid password on the 2.2-stable machine doesn't work on the 2.2.7 machine. I DID run pwd_mkdb and it seemed to work. When I look at the /etc/master.passwd I notice that the 2.2-stable version has much shorter encrypted passwords. I know I'm missing the obvious, but can someone show me my mistake? - Terry Ewing Deepwell Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 11:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15670 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15607 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA014470498; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:28:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: Manar Hussain , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981006220817.00f7f3d4@207.227.119.2> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > Just what is meant by layer4 vs layer 3 or layer 2 switching, the last being > most common. Not sure if they count up or down (up? from hardware > level). >From the bottom up. Layer 2 - Switching by MAC Layer 3 - Switching by IP (router, sorta) Layer 4 - Switching by TCP/UDP port, which makes no sense to me. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 11:33:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18532 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thor.inr.net (thor.inr.net [207.121.124.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18510 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mad@inr.net) Received: from apollo.inr.net (apollo.inr.net [207.121.124.57]) by thor.inr.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/POPRelay) with SMTP id OAA13702 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Dugas" To: Subject: Qmail/POP Before SMTP Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001601bdf221$00b13d20$397c79cf@apollo.inr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somebody help me! :-) Hi :) I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.7 with Qmail 1.03 installed. I'm trying to configure the open-smtp package from the Qmail web site to use POP before SMTP relaying... As part of the package I need to compile the "checkpassword" program with a patch... Every time I try to do this, I get this error: checkpassword.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 And, from what I can see, its true :-) checkpassword.c has an extern for *crypt, but I can't find it in any of the includes anywhere... Has anyone had this same problem? Or does someone have a better solution for POP before SMTP with Qmail? Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks! -- Mike Dugas Sr. Systems Administrator mad@inr.net InterNet Resource NETworks, LLC (603) 880-8120 Fax: (603) 880-8783 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 12:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02840 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02397 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA042475408; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:50:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Dugas Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Qmail/POP Before SMTP In-Reply-To: <001601bdf221$00b13d20$397c79cf@apollo.inr.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Mike Dugas wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.7 with Qmail 1.03 installed. I'm trying to > configure the open-smtp package from the Qmail web site to use POP before > SMTP relaying... As part of the package I need to compile the > "checkpassword" program with a patch... Every time I try to do this, I get > this error: First, qmail is available as a port: (cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail && make all install) but if you insist on compiling it yourself, read on... > checkpassword.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 You need to compile with -lcrypt to include the FreeBSD crypto library. > And, from what I can see, its true :-) checkpassword.c has an extern for > *crypt, but I can't find it in any of the includes anywhere... See above. > Has anyone had this same problem? Or does someone have a better solution > for POP before SMTP with Qmail? You might want to check out: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/mail.html - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 12:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05351 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thor.inr.net (thor.inr.net [207.121.124.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05287 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mad@inr.net) Received: from apollo.inr.net (apollo.inr.net [207.121.124.57]) by thor.inr.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/POPRelay) with SMTP id PAA29176 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Dugas" To: Subject: RE: Qmail/POP Before SMTP Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bdf22c$5ad2f720$397c79cf@apollo.inr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > First, qmail is available as a port: > > (cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail && make all install) but if you insist on > compiling it yourself, read on... Thats how I installed it ;-) The only way to fly :) > > checkpassword.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment > > *** Error code 1 > > You need to compile with -lcrypt to include the FreeBSD crypto library. Yep, that I managed to take care of. > > Has anyone had this same problem? Or does someone have a > better solution > > for POP before SMTP with Qmail? > > You might want to check out: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/mail.html Nothing here... And this is the only solution I can find for Qmail, and all the ones for Sendmail suck :) Any suggestions? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 13:51:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20246 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:51:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20238 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA22241; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:51:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:51:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Terry Ewing cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2-stable -> 2.2.7 Conversion In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981007103514.00a287d0@mail1.dcomm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Terry Ewing wrote: > > When I look at the /etc/master.passwd I notice that the 2.2-stable version > has much shorter encrypted passwords. I know I'm missing the obvious, but > can someone show me my mistake? Sounds like you're using DES encryption on 2.2 and not on 2.2.7. Re-run sysconfig and choose the option for DES encryption. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 13:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20410 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.dcomm.net (mail1.dcomm.net [209.63.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20403 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from terrye@deepwell.com) Received: from terry ([209.63.174.33]) by mail1.dcomm.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# DIGITALCOMMUNICATIONS-1997LS) with SMTP id AAA110 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:23:32 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981007134722.00a3a8d0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@mail1.dcomm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:47:30 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Terry Ewing Subject: 2.2-stable -> 2.2.7 Conversion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Currently we're running a webserver on 2.2-stable. I'd like to upgrade this machine to 2.2.7 and eventually bring it to 3.0 later. Since the web server is a very high traffic machine I've decided to build a second machine, throw 2.2.7 on it, copy user directories over to it, and name it with the same IP. If this all goes right then users should never know the difference. Here's the catch... When I did this, and copied /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd over from the 2.2.stable machine it stops recognizing passwords. What was a valid password on the 2.2-stable machine doesn't work on the 2.2.7 machine. I DID run pwd_mkdb and it seemed to work. When I look at the /etc/master.passwd I notice that the 2.2-stable version has much shorter encrypted passwords. I know I'm missing the obvious, but can someone show me my mistake? - Terry Ewing Deepwell Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 14:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23015 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22971 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 9600 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Oct 1998 21:08:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19981007170826.A9595@palomine.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:08:26 -0400 From: Chris Johnson To: Mike Dugas , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Qmail/POP Before SMTP References: <001601bdf221$00b13d20$397c79cf@apollo.inr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <001601bdf221$00b13d20$397c79cf@apollo.inr.net>; from Mike Dugas on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:33:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:33:39PM -0400, Mike Dugas wrote: > Somebody help me! :-) > > Hi :) > > I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.7 with Qmail 1.03 installed. I'm trying to > configure the open-smtp package from the Qmail web site to use POP before > SMTP relaying... As part of the package I need to compile the > "checkpassword" program with a patch... Every time I try to do this, I get > this error: > > checkpassword.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 Edit the Makefile, and on line 12 (or thereabouts, the one that starts with $(LD)), stick -lcrypt at the end. Then all will be well. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 14:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02638 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02603 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17971 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: a bit off topic but ... Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: <17967.907797561@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go visit www.userfriendly.org ... it pretty much sums up my experience :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 17:10:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29821 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29103 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13072; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <361C01C7.B69159D2@dal.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:05:27 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0929 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Ewing CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2-stable -> 2.2.7 Conversion References: <4.1.0.67.19981007134722.00a3a8d0@mail1.dcomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Ewing wrote: > Here's the catch... When I did this, and copied /etc/passwd and > /etc/master.passwd over from the 2.2.stable machine it stops recognizing > passwords. What was a valid password on the 2.2-stable machine doesn't > work on the 2.2.7 machine. I DID run pwd_mkdb and it seemed to work. > > When I look at the /etc/master.passwd I notice that the 2.2-stable version > has much shorter encrypted passwords. I know I'm missing the obvious, but > can someone show me my mistake? I'm guessing, but off hand I'd say that you installed DES on one machine, but not the other. Also, rather than using pwd_mkdb I'd try vipw. Make sure to edit something, then let it do its thing. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 17:22:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02547 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02514 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id UAA09645 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA08119 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199810080008.UAA08119@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Dummynet In-Reply-To: <199810071738.SAA08935@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Oct 7, 98 06:38:51 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luigi Rizzo recently said: > > In the SI units, as expanded for computer folks, b == bits, B == > > bytes, k == 1000 and K == 1024. M == 1000000 or 2^20 (or sometimes > > 1024 * 1000). > there's nothing worse than imprecise definitions! the b/B > differentiation is widespread, but k/K are often used > interchangeably. And when someone said they had a system that tranfered at 6mb/sec I responded that I type much faster than that. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 7 17:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09460 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09434 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djames68@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 25676 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 1998 00:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19981008005255.25675.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:52:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.164] From: "daniel james" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: DJames68@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:52:55 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having trouble understanding the difference between a 2.2 server and a 3.0 server. Could someone please help me with this? Daniel,(student) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 01:05:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16715 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phear.net (phear.net [206.58.96.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16673 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@phrantic.phear.net) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by phear.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA17262 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Mock To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: arp lookup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted this to -questions and didn't get a response so I figured I'd try over here.. any help would be greatly appreciated. Anybody know how I can get rid of this message in my logs? Oct 6 20:40:41 phear /kernel: arplookup 206.58.100.1 failed: host is not on local network The ip does resolve.. [jim@phear:~]$ nslookup pdx-rt Server: ns.triax.com Address: 206.58.96.2 Name: pdx-rt.triax.com Addresses: 206.58.46.1, 206.58.46.17, 206.58.46.33, 206.58.100.1 206.58.96.1 All of the machines on the local net are on the 206.58.96.* class c and it shows up in the logs of all them. I thought it'd go away once we added reverse lookups for it, but it hasn't. Any ideas? TIA Jim |=> Jim Mock [jim@thunder.st0rm.com] [jim@phrantic.phear.net] <=| |=> st0rm Internet Services | web: http://www.st0rm.com/ <=| |=> Website Design & Hosting | Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia <=| |=> Powered by FreeBSD! | http://www.freebsd.org/ <=| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 01:54:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24285 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24280 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07304; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:54:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:54:18 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Jim Mock cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > I posted this to -questions and didn't get a response so I figured I'd > try over here.. any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Anybody know how I can get rid of this message in my logs? > > Oct 6 20:40:41 phear /kernel: arplookup 206.58.100.1 failed: host is > not on local network Yes, it means literally what it says, the host 206.56.100.1 is not within the network of your machines nic, and something in the config is trying to pursuade it otherwise... > The ip does resolve.. > [snip] This doesn't matter - it won't make any difference whether it resolves or not unfortunately... :) > All of the machines on the local net are on the 206.58.96.* class c > and it shows up in the logs of all them. I thought it'd go away once > we added reverse lookups for it, but it hasn't. Any ideas? 206.58.96.* is not the same network as 206.58.100.1 - Do you have more than 1 class 'c' on the same wire? Run an 'ifconfig -a' and 'netstat -r -n' and send the results here, maybe that will shed some more light on it... Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 03:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06033 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06026 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07452; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:30 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Jim Mock cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > Results of ifconfig -a: > > [jim@phear:~]$ ifconfig -a > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 206.58.96.18 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 206.58.96.255 > inet 206.58.100.140 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.140 > inet 206.58.100.78 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.78 > inet 206.58.100.137 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.137 > inet 206.58.100.150 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.150 > inet 206.58.100.241 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.241 > inet 206.58.100.242 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.242 > ether 00:a0:c9:0f:0f:45 > media: autoselect > lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 > tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 > sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Hmmm... The aliases your setting up on fxp0 aren't on the same network as your primary IP, I think that's why your getting the warning... Presuming that 206.58.100.140 is also a class 'c' network, what happens if you change the first alias (for 206.58.100.140) to have a propper netmask, i.e. 255.255.255.0 (0xffffff00) rather than the 'fake / alias' IP (255.2552.255.255) - and leave everything else 'as-is'. That might help it out a bit... I'm kinda out on a limb here, but it might work... ;-) - Worth trying anyway , and let me know what happens... Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 03:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07102 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phear.net (phear.net [206.58.96.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07097 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@phrantic.phear.net) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by phear.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA17562; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Mock To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Oct 6 20:40:41 phear /kernel: arplookup 206.58.100.1 failed: host is > > not on local network > > Yes, it means literally what it says, the host 206.56.100.1 is not within > the network of your machines nic, and something in the config is trying to > pursuade it otherwise... > > 206.58.96.* is not the same network as 206.58.100.1 - Do you have more > than 1 class 'c' on the same wire? > Yeah, we've got 206.58.96.0-206.58.100.255. > Run an 'ifconfig -a' and 'netstat -r -n' and send the results here, maybe > that will shed some more light on it... > Results of ifconfig -a: [jim@phear:~]$ ifconfig -a fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 206.58.96.18 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 206.58.96.255 inet 206.58.100.140 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.140 inet 206.58.100.78 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.78 inet 206.58.100.137 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.137 inet 206.58.100.150 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.150 inet 206.58.100.241 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.241 inet 206.58.100.242 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 206.58.100.242 ether 00:a0:c9:0f:0f:45 media: autoselect lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Results of netstat -r -n (I cut Refs, Use & expire for space): [jim@phear:~]$ netstat -r -n Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Netif default 206.58.96.1 UGSc fxp0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH lo0 206.58.96 link#1 UC 206.58.96.1 8:0:3:23:e:87 UHLW fxp0 206.58.96.2 0:60:8:cd:ac:5c UHLW fxp0 206.58.96.5 0:60:8:cd:ae:2f UHLW fxp0 206.58.96.7 0:60:8:cd:ad:e8 UHLW fxp0 206.58.96.18 0:a0:c9:f:f:45 UHLW lo0 206.58.100.78/32 link#1 UC 206.58.100.137/32 link#1 UC 206.58.100.140/32 link#1 UC 206.58.100.150/32 link#1 UC 206.58.100.241 0:a0:c9:f:f:45 UHLW lo0 => 206.58.100.241/32 link#1 UC 206.58.100.242/32 link#1 UC 206.58.96.18 is the machine IP, the 206.58.100.* IPs are vhost IPs bound to the nic. Thanks, Jim |=> Jim Mock [jim@thunder.st0rm.com] [jim@phrantic.phear.net] <=| |=> st0rm Internet Services | web: http://www.st0rm.com/ <=| |=> Website Design & Hosting | Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia <=| |=> Powered by FreeBSD! | http://www.freebsd.org/ <=| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 04:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14152 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14117 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26331; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-76.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.203) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma026329; Thu Oct 8 06:11:32 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981008055721.00fff15c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 05:57:21 -0500 To: Bill Fumerola From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IP Load balancing Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19981006220817.00f7f3d4@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:28 AM 10/7/98 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: >>From the bottom up. > >Layer 2 - Switching by MAC >Layer 3 - Switching by IP (router, sorta) >Layer 4 - Switching by TCP/UDP port, which makes no sense to me. Maybe it's just me or it's just how it works in a typical net environment, but for all practical purposes layer 2 and layer3 switching are the same. Most switches are layer 2, AFAIK. When running TCP/IP, machines on thet network use arp to map the IP to the MAC. Only worth mentioning since recently I did some checking on what Cicso offered with their various models and I couldn't find any reference on the differences between layer 2 and layer 3. Not my money, but paying more for a feature without any details on the benefits... Also gives reason to your comment on the layer 3. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 04:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18535 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18521 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08225 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:56:56 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from cyril) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:56:56 +0400 (MSD) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199810081156.PAA08225@main.piter.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dial-on-demand to multiple ISPs Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Does anybody know about some tools wich allows to dial-on-deman to multiple ISP's (with different phones, logins, password, gateways etc)? Sincerely, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 05:14:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20795 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20789 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:14:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23780; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:13:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19981008131355.E29254@pavilion.net> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:13:55 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: Manar Hussain , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing Mail-Followup-To: Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Manar Hussain , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3.0.3.32.19981006220817.00f7f3d4@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 10:28:17AM -0400 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-1273-607072 Fax: +44-1273-607073 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 10:28:17AM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > > Just what is meant by layer4 vs layer 3 or layer 2 switching, the last being > > most common. Not sure if they count up or down (up? from hardware > > level). > > >From the bottom up. > > Layer 2 - Switching by MAC > Layer 3 - Switching by IP (router, sorta) > Layer 4 - Switching by TCP/UDP port, which makes no sense to me. It's useful for managing bandwidth by application type. -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 06:19:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25236 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:19:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25231 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18056; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Jim Mock cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You got something doing rip - if you need rip, far as I know - you're stuck with it. On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > I posted this to -questions and didn't get a response so I figured I'd > try over here.. any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Anybody know how I can get rid of this message in my logs? > > Oct 6 20:40:41 phear /kernel: arplookup 206.58.100.1 failed: host is > not on local network > > The ip does resolve.. > > [jim@phear:~]$ nslookup pdx-rt > Server: ns.triax.com > Address: 206.58.96.2 > > Name: pdx-rt.triax.com > Addresses: 206.58.46.1, 206.58.46.17, 206.58.46.33, 206.58.100.1 > 206.58.96.1 > > All of the machines on the local net are on the 206.58.96.* class c > and it shows up in the logs of all them. I thought it'd go away once > we added reverse lookups for it, but it hasn't. Any ideas? > > TIA > > Jim > > |=> Jim Mock [jim@thunder.st0rm.com] [jim@phrantic.phear.net] <=| > |=> st0rm Internet Services | web: http://www.st0rm.com/ <=| > |=> Website Design & Hosting | Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia <=| > |=> Powered by FreeBSD! | http://www.freebsd.org/ <=| > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Network Administrator BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 07:05:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01940 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01926 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id JAA18351 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:05:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id JAA27867 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:05:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA24875 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:04:48 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:04:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:02:21 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: DJames68@hotmail.com Subject: Re: ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ6.html#6 http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ7.html#7 http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ8.html#8 http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ10.html#10 Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II >>> "daniel james" 10/07 7:52 PM >>> I am having trouble understanding the difference between a 2.2 server and a 3.0 server. Could someone please help me with this? Daniel,(student) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 07:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08468 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08463 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA03323; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:37:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:37:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Jim Mock cc: Karl Pielorz , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > Yeah, we've got 206.58.96.0-206.58.100.255. > > inet 206.58.96.18 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 206.58.96.255 Hrmmm... Don't know if it would work but how about trying a netmask for a /22 (0xfffffc00). ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 09:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27872 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27864 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11791; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Jim Mock cc: Karl Pielorz , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jeff Lynch wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > > > Yeah, we've got 206.58.96.0-206.58.100.255. > > > > inet 206.58.96.18 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 206.58.96.255 > > Hrmmm... Don't know if it would work but how about trying a netmask > for a /22 (0xfffffc00). Oops! My bad, hate following up my own posts. Forgot how to count, you have a /22 + a /24 you can't really supernet that. I would suggest re-numbering so you can supernet the /22 and deal with the /24 separately, unless must have all those IPs on the same NIC. --jeff ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com > > ========================================================================= > Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet > email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider > Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 > Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 10:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09145 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09130 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21852; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <361CF859.7DF09402@dal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:37:29 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0929 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel james CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2 vs. 3.0 References: <19981008005255.25675.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org daniel james wrote: > > I am having trouble understanding the difference between a 2.2 server > and a 3.0 server. Could someone please help me with this? > Daniel,(student) A) Always put a subject line on your mail. B) Send questions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org C) 2.2 is stable, 3.0 is not. Use 2.2. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 11:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21125 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21070 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA221268142; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:49:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jim Mock Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arp lookup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Mock wrote: > Anybody know how I can get rid of this message in my logs? Don't know, but read on. > Oct 6 20:40:41 phear /kernel: arplookup 206.58.100.1 failed: host is > not on local network > > The ip does resolve.. > > [jim@phear:~]$ nslookup pdx-rt > Server: ns.triax.com > Address: 206.58.96.2 > > Name: pdx-rt.triax.com > Addresses: 206.58.46.1, 206.58.46.17, 206.58.46.33, 206.58.100.1 > 206.58.96.1 You go on to talk about PTR and such, but it's important to note that ARP is an IP -> Ethernet resolution, while DNS is a Name -> IP resolution and are completly seperate from each other (DNS is layer 7, while ARP is layer 3). You'll get much further in debuging with the above knowledge. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 11:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21441 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21406 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA223008322; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:52:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981008055721.00fff15c@207.227.119.2> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > Maybe it's just me or it's just how it works in a typical net environment, > but for all practical purposes layer 2 and layer3 switching are the same. > Most switches are layer 2, AFAIK. When running TCP/IP, machines on thet > network use arp to map the IP to the MAC. Only worth mentioning since > recently I did some checking on what Cicso offered with their various > models and I couldn't find any reference on the differences between layer 2 > and layer 3. Not my money, but paying more for a feature without any > details on the benefits... Also gives reason to your comment on the layer 3. Agreed, I'm quite willing to accept the many reasons why a switch is better then a hub, and I can't find a single reason why a level 3 switch has anything more then level 2, short of a higher price tag. Someone please prove me wrong, for my own sanity. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 13:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09112 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09011 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Received: from localhost (josh@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA14840; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Franta X-Sender: josh@elvis.mu.org To: Bill Fumerola cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Um, a layer 3 switch is essentially a router (redirecting datagrams based on layer 3 information). They're implemented differently (asic vs uP design), but they effectively do the same thing (a l3 switch will just forward packets much faster- usually at wire speed). You'd use a layer 3 switch wherever you would need very-high speed routing, usually in the backbone. If you're aware of some of the reasons why one might select a router over a [layer2] switch (or bridge, or repeater), then you know why a layer 3 switch might prove a more appropriate solution than something operating at the data-link layer. josh franta mailto:josh@frantastic.com http://josh.frantastic.com On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > > Maybe it's just me or it's just how it works in a typical net environment, > > but for all practical purposes layer 2 and layer3 switching are the same. > > Most switches are layer 2, AFAIK. When running TCP/IP, machines on thet > > network use arp to map the IP to the MAC. Only worth mentioning since > > recently I did some checking on what Cicso offered with their various > > models and I couldn't find any reference on the differences between layer 2 > > and layer 3. Not my money, but paying more for a feature without any > > details on the benefits... Also gives reason to your comment on the layer 3. > > Agreed, I'm quite willing to accept the many reasons why a switch is > better then a hub, and I can't find a single reason why a level 3 switch > has anything more then level 2, short of a higher price tag. > > Someone please prove me wrong, for my own sanity. > > - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - > > "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect > when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 13:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09735 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bastuba.partitur.se (bastuba.partitur.se [193.219.246.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08868 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se (solist.partitur.se [193.219.246.204]) by bastuba.partitur.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00880 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:11:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Message-ID: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:11:54 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'd like to know which web site search engine programs you ISP:s are using with FreeBSD. We are using a modified version of web glimpse right now, and we are not really satisfied with the it. It refuses to work well with non-ascii characters, and this is not acceptable for most non-english websites, since umlauts, etc are not found. Our modifications fix this, but not quite well. Anyway, before we jump in and do a revamp of the web glimpse, I'd like to hear about other recommmendations. They can be both free or commercial, but we need to have the program configurable in terms of how the search results are presented, i.e. we wan't our own design, and they are probably different for different web sites using the same binary, so it should preferrably be configurable without altering the source. Ideas and recommendations are welcome. Thanks for your time! /Palle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 13:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15214 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wgn.net (mail.wgn.net [207.213.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15184 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from almazs@wgn.net) From: almazs@wgn.net Received: from laptop (du520-pcap-nca01.wgn.net [207.213.7.12]) by mail.wgn.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA16684 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: <361D2331.6956@wgn.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:40:17 -0700 Reply-To: almazs@wgn.net Organization: networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD & DSL technology Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi; Are there many ISPs using DSL/ADSL access from FreeBSD servers to their upstream providers? How well does it work? I am asked to contribute to a strictly business desision as to how feasible DSL/ADSL is with FreeBSD. Thanx Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 13:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15926 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.clipper.net (mailhost.clipper.net [207.109.253.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15845 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@clipper.net) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by mailhost.clipper.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04208; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:47:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Wolfe To: Bill Fumerola cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > Agreed, I'm quite willing to accept the many reasons why a switch is > better then a hub, and I can't find a single reason why a level 3 switch > has anything more then level 2, short of a higher price tag. Keep in mind that I'm not even a self proclaimed expert here. This is my admittedly limited understanding of the layer2/layer3 switching issue. Layer2 Switching Hub: Listens to and remembers every MAC address (upto that switches capacity, usually somewhere between 4K and 64K addresses) seen on a given port and intelligently switches traffic destined to a remembered address to the correct port and only to that port. You have no option to change which port traffic for a given machine is sent to except by moving that device to a different port or ethernet segment. Layer3 Switching Hub: Listens to things at a protocol level, basing it's switching decisions on the (in this case) IP address rather than the MAC address. This gives an administrator the ability to setup routing (or forced switching of traffic to specific destinations via specific ports) for traffic that might be multiple hops away based on things other than just next hop. This would be useful for load balancing links to servers (just to show a single practicle application) Ie: A+++B===C Where A is a router connected to the internet (since this is fantasy anyway, let's say it is connected via multiple OC3's) B is a layer3 Routing switch (connected to A via gigabit ethernet) C is a web server with the most popular website in the world! (connected to B via 2 100MB ethernet links) B has 2 equal cost routes to C and load balances all traffic to the same. Now this particular instance I spent about 5 minutes thinking of so I know there are tons of holes and/or better ways to do this. The point is, at Layer3, you get a measure of control over network flow and traffic structure.. Tim ---------------------------------------------------- Timothy M. Wolfe | Why surf when you can Sail? tim@clipper.net | Join Oregon's Premier Sr. Network Engineer | Wireless Internet Provider! ClipperNet Corporation | http://www.clipper.net/ ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 14:18:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22398 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22345 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA275137498; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:24:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Tim Wolfe Cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Tim Wolfe wrote: > Now this particular instance I spent about 5 minutes thinking of so I know > there are tons of holes and/or better ways to do this. The point is, at > Layer3, you get a measure of control over network flow and traffic > structure.. Okay. Essentially, though, you either send using priorities based on MAC addresses or IP addresses. Still, the packet can't get to a machine faster, because the filtering is still the same. I do understand how people would use the cost features, though there are software ways of doing that. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 15:19:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03033 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02958 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kim@tinker.com) Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001611; Thu Oct 8 17:13:14 1998 Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12270; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:21:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361D3B0E.A08D4FC2@tinker.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:22:06 -0500 From: Kim Shrier Organization: Shrier and Deihl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Palle Girgensohn CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? References: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of the ISP's I do work for uses ht/Dig. It supports the ISO-Latin-1 character set. Take a look at http://www.htdig.org/ Kim Shrier kim@tinker.com Palle Girgensohn wrote: > > Hello! > > I'd like to know which web site search engine programs you ISP:s are > using with FreeBSD. We are using a modified version of web glimpse right > now, and we are not really satisfied with the it. It refuses to work > well with non-ascii characters, and this is not acceptable for most > non-english websites, since umlauts, etc are not found. Our > modifications fix this, but not quite well. > > Anyway, before we jump in and do a revamp of the web glimpse, I'd like > to hear about other recommmendations. They can be both free or > commercial, but we need to have the program configurable in terms of how > the search results are presented, i.e. we wan't our own design, and they > are probably different for different web sites using the same binary, so > it should preferrably be configurable without altering the source. > > Ideas and recommendations are welcome. Thanks for your time! > > /Palle > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 16:22:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17162 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.noc.inc.net (imap.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17055 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.201]) by imap.noc.inc.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09747; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:21:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361D4751.32573C4E@inc.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:14:25 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Internet Connect, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: almazs@wgn.net CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology References: <361D2331.6956@wgn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org almazs@wgn.net wrote: > > Hi; > > Are there many ISPs using DSL/ADSL access from FreeBSD servers to their > upstream providers? How well does it work? I am asked to contribute to a > strictly business desision as to how feasible DSL/ADSL is with FreeBSD. > Not really sure what the point of this is, a PairGain Megabit modem setup (both sides) will run you around $1500. I haven't seen any PC card type of solutions that are worth a damn, stand alone router,bridges (in this case) are the way to go IMHO.... We've got a couple of the Megabit modems in use and once you get the wiring correct (took me a little while to get it right :) ) it's ROCK solid. Plug the buggers in on both sides, find a port on your hub and you're golden, some of the easiest stuff I've ever used... Good luck, -- Steve Kaczkowski Internet Connect, Inc. steve@inc.net (414)476-ICON x12 http://www.inc.net FAX(414)476-2403 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 16:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20805 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20572 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15805; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:36:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:36:08 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Tim Wolfe cc: Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Tim Wolfe wrote: > Keep in mind that I'm not even a self proclaimed expert here. This is my > admittedly limited understanding of the layer2/layer3 switching issue. > Layer3 Switching Hub: > > Listens to things at a protocol level, basing it's switching decisions on > the (in this case) IP address rather than the MAC address. This gives an > administrator the ability to setup routing (or forced switching of traffic > to specific destinations via specific ports) for traffic that might be > multiple hops away based on things other than just next hop. > > This would be useful for load balancing links to servers (just to show a > single practicle application) That sounds OK as far as I know, though my OSI is a little rusty... I went on a Cisco course some time ago - they were proudly proclaiming the benefits of layer3 switching, to form a device they were apparently going to call a 'swrouter' (switching-router)... This got even more complex when the concept of a switching / routing bridge (swbruter? ;-) came up... I know a lot of the high end cisco gear will let you 'route' your switched traffic (i.e. layer3 routine/switching etc.) - but I'm not too sure about the load balancing... I know that even the lower end Cisco routers now come with something called 'Net manager' is it? - which is meant to accept all incoming connections and forward them onto the real server (under the guise of protecting from DoS attacks (i.e. it bins partial connects that timeout the initial 3way handshake), and providing 'apparent' 100% availability).. It's the last bit I'm trying to do in software on FBSD at the moment... :) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 16:45:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22017 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21993 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15809; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:39:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:39:42 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Bill Fumerola cc: Tim Wolfe , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Tim Wolfe wrote: > > > Now this particular instance I spent about 5 minutes thinking of so I know > > there are tons of holes and/or better ways to do this. The point is, at > > Layer3, you get a measure of control over network flow and traffic > > structure.. > > Okay. Essentially, though, you either send using priorities based on MAC > addresses or IP addresses. Still, the packet can't get to a machine > faster, because the filtering is still the same. I do understand how > people would use the cost features, though there are software ways of > doing that. But a switch (i.e. nice, fast, cut-through if possible switch) can't route can it? - But a layer3 'switch' can route... i.e. it can direct traffic across WAN's where the MAC addresses become invalid/exchanged etc. ;-) I don't think switches can 'filter' per se anyway - theres very little they can do - unless there running in store and forward mode (in which case it see's the entire packet) - and that defeats the object of a switch (cross point connections etc. i.e. low latency / high throughput)... :-( Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 21:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19630 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19546 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA08700; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:51:59 -0700 Received: from [199.183.207.37] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 4451597; Thu Oct 08 21:50 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:47:57 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Palle Girgensohn Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? References: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Palle Girgensohn wrote: > > Hello! > > I'd like to know which web site search engine programs you ISP:s are > using with FreeBSD. We are using a modified version of web glimpse right > now, and we are not really satisfied with the it. It refuses to work > well with non-ascii characters, and this is not acceptable for most > non-english websites, since umlauts, etc are not found. Our > modifications fix this, but not quite well. > > Anyway, before we jump in and do a revamp of the web glimpse, I'd like > to hear about other recommmendations. They can be both free or > commercial, but we need to have the program configurable in terms of how > the search results are presented, i.e. we wan't our own design, and they > are probably different for different web sites using the same binary, so > it should preferrably be configurable without altering the source. > > Ideas and recommendations are welcome. Thanks for your time! Well, I was hoping there would be a flood of replies here as we will soon be in the market for web site search tools too. We presently use Glimpse extensively on another host, but the U. of Arizona license fee for commercial use on our own server seems excessive (what with FreeBSD and free Apache). Have you considered Swish (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/), which I haven't tried to install yet, but which is one of our candidates? The docs do indicate that special characters are accommodated. See http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/Manual/qanda.html . One minus: "There is no phrase indexing capability for Swish-e." -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 23:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06017 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Tasha.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-070.magna.com.au [203.111.85.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05944 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Received: from EventHorizon (EventHorizon.STARDreams.org [10.144.144.1]) by Tasha.STARDreams.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA29329; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:27:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981009162539.00a875e0@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> X-Sender: kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:25:39 +1000 To: Steve Kaczkowski From: Kevin Lam Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <361D4751.32573C4E@inc.net> References: <361D2331.6956@wgn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:14 10/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Not really sure what the point of this is, a PairGain Megabit modem >setup (both sides) will run you around $1500. I haven't seen any PC card >type of solutions that are worth a damn, stand alone router,bridges (in >this case) are the way to go IMHO.... > >We've got a couple of the Megabit modems in use and once you get the >wiring correct (took me a little while to get it right :) ) it's ROCK >solid. Plug the buggers in on both sides, find a port on your hub and >you're golden, some of the easiest stuff I've ever used... Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special wiring on the part of the telco? -- K "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 8 23:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09137 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from priscilla.mu.org (priscilla.mu.org [206.152.116.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09132 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@priscilla.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by priscilla.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01734; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:51:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19981009015100.A1730@mu.org> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:51:00 -0500 From: Paul Saab To: Graeme Tait , Palle Girgensohn Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? References: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com>; from Graeme Tait on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 12:47:57AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org have you looked at ht://dig? (http://www.htdig.org/) paul Graeme Tait (graeme@echidna.com) wrote: > Palle Girgensohn wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > I'd like to know which web site search engine programs you ISP:s are > > using with FreeBSD. We are using a modified version of web glimpse right > > now, and we are not really satisfied with the it. It refuses to work > > well with non-ascii characters, and this is not acceptable for most > > non-english websites, since umlauts, etc are not found. Our > > modifications fix this, but not quite well. > > > > Anyway, before we jump in and do a revamp of the web glimpse, I'd like > > to hear about other recommmendations. They can be both free or > > commercial, but we need to have the program configurable in terms of how > > the search results are presented, i.e. we wan't our own design, and they > > are probably different for different web sites using the same binary, so > > it should preferrably be configurable without altering the source. > > > > Ideas and recommendations are welcome. Thanks for your time! > > > Well, I was hoping there would be a flood of replies here as we will soon be > in the market for web site search tools too. We presently use Glimpse > extensively on another host, but the U. of Arizona license fee for commercial > use on our own server seems excessive (what with FreeBSD and free Apache). > > Have you considered Swish (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/), which I > haven't tried to install yet, but which is one of our candidates? The docs do > indicate that special characters are accommodated. See > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/Manual/qanda.html . > > One minus: "There is no phrase indexing capability for Swish-e." > > > -- > Graeme Tait - Echidna > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 06:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29537 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29528 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05532; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:20:25 GMT Message-Id: <199810090920.JAA05532@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:32:13 -0400 To: Karl Pielorz , Tim Wolfe From: Dennis Subject: Re: IP Load balancing Cc: Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I may be out of context on this thread, but you could easily controll traffic OUT with load-balanced serial lines on a freebsd box...IN is another banana. INET#1 INET#2 . . . . . . Router . . Your net DB At 12:36 AM 10/9/98 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > >On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Tim Wolfe wrote: > >> Keep in mind that I'm not even a self proclaimed expert here. This is my >> admittedly limited understanding of the layer2/layer3 switching issue. > >> Layer3 Switching Hub: >> >> Listens to things at a protocol level, basing it's switching decisions on >> the (in this case) IP address rather than the MAC address. This gives an >> administrator the ability to setup routing (or forced switching of traffic >> to specific destinations via specific ports) for traffic that might be >> multiple hops away based on things other than just next hop. >> >> This would be useful for load balancing links to servers (just to show a >> single practicle application) > >That sounds OK as far as I know, though my OSI is a little rusty... I went >on a Cisco course some time ago - they were proudly proclaiming the >benefits of layer3 switching, to form a device they were apparently going >to call a 'swrouter' (switching-router)... > >This got even more complex when the concept of a switching / routing >bridge (swbruter? ;-) came up... > >I know a lot of the high end cisco gear will let you 'route' your switched >traffic (i.e. layer3 routine/switching etc.) - but I'm not too sure about >the load balancing... > >I know that even the lower end Cisco routers now come with something >called 'Net manager' is it? - which is meant to accept all incoming >connections and forward them onto the real server (under the guise of >protecting from DoS attacks (i.e. it bins partial connects that timeout >the initial 3way handshake), and providing 'apparent' 100% availability).. > >It's the last bit I'm trying to do in software on FBSD at the moment... :) > >Regards, > >Karl > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, LINUX and BSD/OS Bandwidth Manager http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 06:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00941 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00923 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16378; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: Delbert Hundley cc: Chris Shenton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org scp is the secure version of rcp, found with the SSH distribution. Information on SSH, and a link to the source (which builds cleanly on -STABLE) can be found at http://www.cs.hut.fi/ssh This package contains everything you need for secure communications between hosts. If you're like me, and have an NT (or 95/98) box for a workstation, you can find several SSH clients on the web. The best I've seen so far, is SecureCRT from Van Dyke Technologies: http://www.vandyke.com/products/beta/SecureCRT/index.html Good luck with it all... if you have questions on installation and configuration, please ask the list, I won't respond to private email. -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Delbert Hundley wrote: > What's scp? I am also preparing to do the same - prepare for growth. > > Del Hundley > MegaSurf, Inc. > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Troy Settle wrote: > > > > > On 5 Oct 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > > > > > I'm supporting an ISP who's outgrown the single box we have running > > > WWW, FTP, SMTP, POP, and IMAP. It also does RADIUS authentication for > > > the dialup server. Accounts are created on this single box so the user > > > gets RADIUS authenticated against /etc/passwd, just as the FTP, POP, > > > IMAP stuff does. The normal "adduser" script is run to create > > > accounts. > > > > > > I plan to split into two boxes: one for WWW and FTP, the other for > > > SMTP, POP, and IMAP. Not sure where I'm gonna run RADIUS yet, maybe > > > on both for redundancy. > > > > Good plan > > > > > How would you securely and robustly mirror the /etc/passwd type of > > > information? > > > > > > I'm not keen on NIS, due to security concerns. In other situations, > > > I've used "rsync" over "ssh" with host key authentication and it's > > > worked well. I've never used it for /etc/passwd and I'm concerned > > > about stuff like failed updates or partial updates leaving the send-to > > > box with a corrupt /etc/passwd, preventing everyone (including root) > > > access. > > > > > > What have you used that works well for you? > > > > I skipped the rsync option, and went straight for scp and pwd_mkdb. This > > solution has worked rather well for the past year or so. > > > > > > -- > > Troy Settle > > Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services > > http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 06:27:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01118 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01112 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA25859; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:27:47 -0700 Received: from [199.183.207.108] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 4460709; Fri Oct 09 06:25 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <361E3888.1303@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:23:36 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Saab Cc: Palle Girgensohn , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? References: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com> <19981009015100.A1730@mu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Saab wrote: > > have you looked at ht://dig? (http://www.htdig.org/) No, and it may be interesting for some things. Does it run under FreeBSD? However, some of my applications may not fit it. They involve indexing large numbers of files (hundreds of thousands). All the files reside on the machine that does the indexing. Glimpse does a good job of this, building compact indices from the filesystem level (i.e., the webserver is not involved), and providing fast searches. Large individual files are handled also. As I said below the downside is license fees, plus (as the original poster mentioned) a restricted character set. > Graeme Tait (graeme@echidna.com) wrote: > > Well, I was hoping there would be a flood of replies here as we will soon be > > in the market for web site search tools too. We presently use Glimpse > > extensively on another host, but the U. of Arizona license fee for commercial > > use on our own server seems excessive (what with FreeBSD and free Apache). -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 06:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03494 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03451 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16841; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: Graeme Tait cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to share accounts between mail/pop and web servers? In-Reply-To: <361ADA58.58B7@webcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Graeme Tait wrote: > Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > > It's better to break out services to various servers, so that only > > one service may be down for the customer. If it's fixed quickly, they > > usually don't mind, but when "everything" is down for them. > > > I can see it cutting both ways. If you had say 5 boxes in my model > and one went down, 20% of users are affected. If all there email was > on one box in the alternate model, 100% of email is down. > > The model I suggested seems to be that successfully used by pair.com > (running FreeBSD, of course). I think we got into an "Apples vs. Oranges" discussion here. For a web hosting setup, splitting users is clearly an optimal choice. For an ISP, however, splitting services offers greater reliability and easier management. I, for one, would love to have a centralized authentication server. -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 07:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09802 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (marlin.corp.gulf.net [198.69.72.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09789 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from calvin@marlin.corp.gulf.net) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (calvin@marlin.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.2]) by marlin.corp.gulf.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17416; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:30:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Calvin Meloon Reply-To: Calvin Meloon To: Kevin Lam cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981009162539.00a875e0@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Kevin Lam wrote: > At 18:14 10/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Not really sure what the point of this is, a PairGain Megabit modem > >setup (both sides) will run you around $1500. I haven't seen any PC card > >type of solutions that are worth a damn, stand alone router,bridges (in > >this case) are the way to go IMHO.... > > > >We've got a couple of the Megabit modems in use and once you get the > >wiring correct (took me a little while to get it right :) ) it's ROCK > >solid. Plug the buggers in on both sides, find a port on your hub and > >you're golden, some of the easiest stuff I've ever used... > > Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special > wiring on the part of the telco? > For ADSL, the telco installs dry copper alarm circuits. No load coils can be used as their signal interfers with ADSL. On the PairGain, you can use regular cat-5 cabling. _____ __ _ / ___/__ _/ / __(_)__ Gulf Coast Internet Calvin M. Meloon / /__/ _ `/ / |/ / / _ \ Pensacola, FL Unix Administrator \___/\_,_/_/|___/_/_//_/ (850)438-5700 writer of code ~~~~ calvin@gulf.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Proponent of FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 09:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01178 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01158 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09727; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: almazs@wgn.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: <361D2331.6956@wgn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 almazs@wgn.net wrote: > Hi; > > Are there many ISPs using DSL/ADSL access from FreeBSD servers to their > upstream providers? How well does it work? I am asked to contribute to a Exceptionally well. My provider uses the Paradyne equipment, and I have a 5446 endpoint atop an old 486/80 box with 2 ethernet cards which handles routing of the DSL, our office LAN on the second ethernet, and my house connected my multilink PPP on a couple of modems. > strictly business desision as to how feasible DSL/ADSL is with FreeBSD. The only trick I had was finding the arp_proxyall option to get the FreeBSD box to do the necessary arp proxying required by the 5446 endpoint in this situation. Other than that, it was very easy. (While looking for that option, my provider and I tried to get one of my NT Server boxes to do the routing... I installed several updated routing services, hotfixes, etc, and it never did work. :) One little change in rc.conf, and the FreeBSD box was away to the races. And that little 486/80 even has enough power to do it all at full speed while holding home directories for all the users in the office (our NT home directories even!) as well as handling all the mail for our office. I've said it before, I'll say it again... I love Freebsd! :) Ahh! My fax just arrived with pricing for my own Paradyne rack so I can run MVL up to my house, girlfriend's appartment, friend's house, etc. :) I have the need for speed. :) Which would you choose? a $1000 / month T1, or a $129/month 7megabit DOWN / 1megabit UP DSL? Thousands of dollars on NT Server and hardware, or some old spare, $200 boxen that never crashes, sits beside your desk day after day after day with no keyboard or monitor (you can telnet to it!) humming along keeping everything happy? Hard choice. :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 09:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02982 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02953 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09750; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Steve Kaczkowski cc: almazs@wgn.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: <361D4751.32573C4E@inc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > almazs@wgn.net wrote: > > > Not really sure what the point of this is, a PairGain Megabit modem > setup (both sides) will run you around $1500. I haven't seen any PC card Hmm.. I've been looking for something like that for quirte a while. Does anyone know of any others than the PairGain that are standalone units? (i.e. you dont' need a monster rack at one end.) The Paradyne equipment is nice, and works out to about $1500 Canadian (roughly $1000 US) per port at the 8-port starter kit price, however, when I only need 1 port to begin with, 12000 is a little steep. :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 10:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12055 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.noc.inc.net (imap.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11997 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.201]) by imap.noc.inc.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17302; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361E49BC.F6132AEA@inc.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:37:00 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Internet Connect, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Lam CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology References: <361D2331.6956@wgn.net> <3.0.3.32.19981009162539.00a875e0@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special > wiring on the part of the telco? > Well, standard DRY copper, no coils or anything like that. Any flavor of xDSL that you go with is going to require the same thing, dry pairs with NOTHING on them (no coils,voltage,etc).. I'd *HOPE* the telco doesn't do any 'special' wiring, cause if they do it probably won't work.. :) -- Steve Kaczkowski Internet Connect, Inc. steve@inc.net (414)476-ICON x12 http://www.inc.net FAX(414)476-2403 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 14:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23186 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from homer.talcom.net ([209.5.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23159 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@homer.talcom.net) Received: (from leo@localhost) by homer.talcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA20733; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981009172217.33716@talcom.net> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:22:17 -0400 From: Leo Papandreou To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? References: <361D1C8A.A8CCDE4E@partitur.se> <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com> <19981009015100.A1730@mu.org> <361E3888.1303@echidna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <361E3888.1303@echidna.com>; from Graeme Tait on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 09:23:36AM -0700 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Organization: Not very, no. X-Wife: Forgotten but not gone. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 09:23:36AM -0700, Graeme Tait wrote: > Paul Saab wrote: > > > > have you looked at ht://dig? (http://www.htdig.org/) > > > No, and it may be interesting for some things. Does it run under FreeBSD? Yes, it runs well and is superior to anything i've seen for modest sites. Nowhere near as complicated as a Harvest system, either. > > However, some of my applications may not fit it. They involve indexing large numbers > of files (hundreds of thousands). All the files reside on the machine that does the > indexing. Glimpse does a good job of this, building compact indices from the Configured for "fuzzy" (spelling, synonyms, endings, soundex, metaphone) searches, htdig is considerably slower and less powerful than a harvest + glimpse combination for LARGE sites. If your site is as large as you say it is, people will routinely be hitting their browser's stop button. Those that dont will often get timed out. However, it's a snap to set up so you may want to try it for yourself. You can spread out multiple copies of it to service different sections of your site, perhaps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 15:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00625 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00532 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10304; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Steve Kaczkowski cc: Kevin Lam , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: <361E49BC.F6132AEA@inc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special > > wiring on the part of the telco? > > > > Well, standard DRY copper, no coils or anything like that. Any flavor of > xDSL that you go with is going to require the same thing, dry pairs with > NOTHING on them (no coils,voltage,etc).. Additionally, you often have to look out for bridged taps. The lower speed xDSL (or DSL-like) products often tolerate them, but must full rate DSL requires a bundle without them to be used, or for them to be removed. Removing them gets tricky sometimes. For example, there is one area of Calgary that is soooo funky, the TELCO has NO idea what is going on with the cables in the area. There are bridged taps all over the place, but nobody knows where... and half the wires run under/over/around a large shopping mall, and two main roads which intersect there. Basically, NOTHING except voice lines is available in that whole area. :) OTOH, just about everywhere else in town works, at least for the "last mile". I'm having a devil of a time trying to get them to admit that they have pairs leaving downtown towards the exhange my house is on. grrrr How can you tell I'm currently battling the TELCO over dry copper? :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 18:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12434 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12421 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA265209442; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:44:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Graeme Tait Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? In-Reply-To: <361DBFAD.4321@echidna.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Graeme Tait wrote: > Have you considered Swish (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/), which I > haven't tried to install yet, but which is one of our candidates? The docs do > indicate that special characters are accommodated. See > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/Manual/qanda.html . I will try to take a look at it this weekend, and possibly write up a port, if need be. It most likely won't go into the 3.0-RELEASE, though, but you could always CVSup. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 18:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14153 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14133 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA270490287; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:58:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Graeme Tait Cc: Paul Saab , Palle Girgensohn , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: web site search engines for FreeBSD server? In-Reply-To: <361E3888.1303@echidna.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Graeme Tait wrote: > No, and it may be interesting for some things. Does it run under FreeBSD? Yes, there is a port pending, but there will be a ports freeze in 23 hours, so I doubt you'll see it committed soon though. > However, some of my applications may not fit it. They involve indexing large numbers > of files (hundreds of thousands). All the files reside on the machine that does the > indexing. Glimpse does a good job of this, building compact indices from the > filesystem level (i.e., the webserver is not involved), and providing fast searches. > Large individual files are handled also. As I said below the downside is license > fees, plus (as the original poster mentioned) a restricted character set. ht://dig is more of a 'multiple web server' indexer. perhaps you might find something at http://www.freebsd.org/ports/textproc.html - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 9 21:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10570 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.clipper.net (mailhost.clipper.net [207.109.253.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10481 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@clipper.net) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by mailhost.clipper.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05961; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:41:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Wolfe To: Dennis cc: Karl Pielorz , Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP Load balancing In-Reply-To: <199810090920.JAA05532@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Dennis wrote: > I may be out of context on this thread, but you could easily controll traffic > OUT with load-balanced serial lines on a freebsd box...IN is another banana. > > INET#1 INET#2 > . . > . . > . . > Router > . > . > Your net > > DB Or you could use FreeBSD2.2.6+ and use the mpath patch to allow ECMP routing and run Gated with OSPF to your upstream (assuming both serial lines terminate to the same upstream) and have auto failover AND load balancing.. Tim ---------------------------------------------------- Timothy M. Wolfe | Why surf when you can Sail? tim@clipper.net | Join Oregon's Premier Sr. Network Engineer | Wireless Internet Provider! 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------=_NextPart_000_0225_01BDF461.447EAF00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 01:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04286 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dream.future.net (future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04246 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomthai@future.net) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@[204.130.134.20] (may be forged)) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA18648; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:53:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Calvin Meloon cc: Kevin Lam , Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org maybe the "alarm circuit" should come from the same switch too? On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Calvin Meloon wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Kevin Lam wrote: > > > At 18:14 10/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Not really sure what the point of this is, a PairGain Megabit modem > > >setup (both sides) will run you around $1500. I haven't seen any PC card > > >type of solutions that are worth a damn, stand alone router,bridges (in > > >this case) are the way to go IMHO.... > > > > > >We've got a couple of the Megabit modems in use and once you get the > > >wiring correct (took me a little while to get it right :) ) it's ROCK > > >solid. Plug the buggers in on both sides, find a port on your hub and > > >you're golden, some of the easiest stuff I've ever used... > > > > Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special > > wiring on the part of the telco? > > > For ADSL, the telco installs dry copper alarm circuits. No load coils can > be used as their signal interfers with ADSL. On the PairGain, you can use > regular cat-5 cabling. > > _____ __ _ > / ___/__ _/ / __(_)__ Gulf Coast Internet Calvin M. Meloon > / /__/ _ `/ / |/ / / _ \ Pensacola, FL Unix Administrator > \___/\_,_/_/|___/_/_//_/ (850)438-5700 writer of code > ~~~~ calvin@gulf.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Proponent of FreeBSD > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 01:24:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07315 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dream.future.net (future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07305 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomthai@future.net) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@[204.130.134.20] (may be forged)) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA18764; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:15:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:15:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Doug Russell cc: Steve Kaczkowski , Kevin Lam , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & DSL technology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug, I'm been working with my telco to try for dry copper but the insisted that both end points should be served by the same common switch/exchange point? Have you found this to be true? On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Doug Russell wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > > > Does the PairGain unit use standard phone wiring or does it require special > > > wiring on the part of the telco? > > > > > > > Well, standard DRY copper, no coils or anything like that. Any flavor of > > xDSL that you go with is going to require the same thing, dry pairs with > > NOTHING on them (no coils,voltage,etc).. > > Additionally, you often have to look out for bridged taps. The lower > speed xDSL (or DSL-like) products often tolerate them, but must full rate > DSL requires a bundle without them to be used, or for them to be removed. > > Removing them gets tricky sometimes. For example, there is one area of > Calgary that is soooo funky, the TELCO has NO idea what is going on with > the cables in the area. There are bridged taps all over the place, but > nobody knows where... and half the wires run under/over/around a large > shopping mall, and two main roads which intersect there. Basically, > NOTHING except voice lines is available in that whole area. :) > > OTOH, just about everywhere else in town works, at least for the "last > mile". I'm having a devil of a time trying to get them to admit that they > have pairs leaving downtown towards the exhange my house is on. grrrr > > How can you tell I'm currently battling the TELCO over dry copper? :) > > Later...... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 09:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23451 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23445; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10700; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:23:15 GMT Message-Id: <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:34:44 -0400 To: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu (Kevin Van Maren), didier@omnix.net From: Dennis Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810082003.OAA15474@fast.cs.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone shed some light as to which of these boards below is working well in 2.2.7 and v3.0? Im a little wary of using the if_de driver. Is anyone using the phobos stuff? Dennis At 02:03 PM 10/8/98 -0600, Kevin Van Maren wrote: >> Is tehre any working network board with several lan interfaces on the same >> board > >There are several. Phobos (www.phobos.com) makes a 4-port 10/100 >card that has a "beta" driver available for 2.2.X and 3.0. >Send email to Alison_Dodds@phobos.com about this. It has driver >support for NT, Netware, Solaris, Linux, and FreeBSD, Irix, and HPUX. >Under some OSes, it supports "trunking", or link aggregation (with >the right switch). FreeBSD trunking support is planned, which is >more than anyone can say about the other cards. > >Adaptec makes a 4-port card (6944/A) that is supported. Znyx >also makes one that *I believe* works -- both those use the DEC >21140 chip and the if_de driver. All three retail for around >$695 (actual cost is $500-$550, or a little less for the Phobos card). > >Intel makes a 2-port card (costs as much as 3 single-port intel cards, >at around $250) that *should* work w/o any problems with the if_fxp >driver. > >All these are 10/100TX cards; all the multi-port 10Mbps-only cards >have been discontinued. > >Kevin > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 09:56:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28606 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28588; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA27977; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981010095536.C27093@Alameda.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:55:36 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Dennis , Kevin Van Maren , didier@omnix.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <199810082003.OAA15474@fast.cs.utah.edu> <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com>; from Dennis on Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:34:44PM -0400 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:34:44PM -0400, Dennis wrote: > Can anyone shed some light as to which of these boards below is > working well in 2.2.7 and v3.0? Im a little wary of using the if_de driver. > Is anyone using the phobos stuff? I have use a ZNYX 314 with the de driver under 2.2.x, either with the included driver or with the de driver downloaded from Matt Thomas (for 2.2.2 I think I used it) > > Dennis > > At 02:03 PM 10/8/98 -0600, Kevin Van Maren wrote: > >> Is tehre any working network board with several lan interfaces on the same > >> board > > > >There are several. Phobos (www.phobos.com) makes a 4-port 10/100 > >card that has a "beta" driver available for 2.2.X and 3.0. > >Send email to Alison_Dodds@phobos.com about this. It has driver > >support for NT, Netware, Solaris, Linux, and FreeBSD, Irix, and HPUX. > >Under some OSes, it supports "trunking", or link aggregation (with > >the right switch). FreeBSD trunking support is planned, which is > >more than anyone can say about the other cards. > > > >Adaptec makes a 4-port card (6944/A) that is supported. Znyx > >also makes one that *I believe* works -- both those use the DEC > >21140 chip and the if_de driver. All three retail for around > >$695 (actual cost is $500-$550, or a little less for the Phobos card). > > > >Intel makes a 2-port card (costs as much as 3 single-port intel cards, > >at around $250) that *should* work w/o any problems with the if_fxp > >driver. > > > >All these are 10/100TX cards; all the multi-port 10Mbps-only cards > >have been discontinued. > > > >Kevin > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 10:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00442 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00434; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA10441; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Cc: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu (Kevin Van Maren), didier@omnix.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) References: <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 10 Oct 1998 19:05:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Dennis's message of "Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:34:44 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA00437 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dennis writes: > Can anyone shed some light as to which of these boards below is > working well in 2.2.7 and v3.0? Im a little wary of using the if_de driver. Why? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 10:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05631 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05620; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10900; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:40:43 GMT Message-Id: <199810101340.NAA10900@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:52:11 -0400 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Dennis Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) Cc: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu (Kevin Van Maren), didier@omnix.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA05625 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:05 PM 10/10/98 +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: >Dennis writes: >> Can anyone shed some light as to which of these boards below is >> working well in 2.2.7 and v3.0? Im a little wary of using the if_de driver. > >Why? Because the FreeBSD team doesnt support it and you have to get patched from Matt every time you upgrade the os, and its a pain to build systems if you have to add the patches all the time. Dennis > >DES >-- >Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 11:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14504 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14483; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18525; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:51:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <18521.908045460@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Intel makes a 2-port card (costs as much as 3 single-port intel cards, > at around $250) that *should* work w/o any problems with the if_fxp > driver. Anyone ever tried one of these cards? (part no: PILA8472). I don't think they are quite the same as the Pro/100+ or Pro/100B cards that are known to be supported. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 12:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21387 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles238.castles.com [208.214.165.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21372; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09816; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810101946.MAA09816@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dennis cc: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu (Kevin Van Maren), didier@omnix.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network board with several 10baseT (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:34:44 EDT." <199810101223.MAA10700@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:46:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can anyone shed some light as to which of these boards below is > working well in 2.2.7 and v3.0? Im a little wary of using the if_de driver. > Is anyone using the phobos stuff? Anyone currently using the Phobos card is under non-disclosure, so your best bet, if you have a situation where you feel you can test one of these cards, will be to contact Phobos as Kevin suggested. > Dennis > > At 02:03 PM 10/8/98 -0600, Kevin Van Maren wrote: > >> Is tehre any working network board with several lan interfaces on the same > >> board > > > >There are several. Phobos (www.phobos.com) makes a 4-port 10/100 > >card that has a "beta" driver available for 2.2.X and 3.0. > >Send email to Alison_Dodds@phobos.com about this. It has driver > >support for NT, Netware, Solaris, Linux, and FreeBSD, Irix, and HPUX. > >Under some OSes, it supports "trunking", or link aggregation (with > >the right switch). FreeBSD trunking support is planned, which is > >more than anyone can say about the other cards. > > > >Adaptec makes a 4-port card (6944/A) that is supported. Znyx > >also makes one that *I believe* works -- both those use the DEC > >21140 chip and the if_de driver. All three retail for around > >$695 (actual cost is $500-$550, or a little less for the Phobos card). > > > >Intel makes a 2-port card (costs as much as 3 single-port intel cards, > >at around $250) that *should* work w/o any problems with the if_fxp > >driver. > > > >All these are 10/100TX cards; all the multi-port 10Mbps-only cards > >have been discontinued. > > > >Kevin > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 20:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06829 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian-ext.fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06820 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06509 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Multiple IPs on one interface Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That is the easy part, now how do you specify WHICH of the aliases is used as the SOURCE IP address of packets emitted from this card? Thanks! Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 10 22:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16282 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netmug.org (netmug.org [207.88.43.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16276 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perl@netmug.org) Received: from localhost (perl@localhost) by netmug.org (8.8.8/NetMUG_1.0.0) with SMTP id WAA11901; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: perl To: andrew@pubnix.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple IPs on one interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The one at the top of the list, I think. Usually it is the one without 0xffffffff as the netmask. Michael On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: > > That is the easy part, now how do you specify WHICH of the aliases is used > as the SOURCE IP address of packets emitted from this card? > > Thanks! > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net > Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E > PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde > P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 > tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message