From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Mar 12 22:29: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.164.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8D137B584 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA35353 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:29:03 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:29:02 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Dual/Quad PIII motherboard ... recommendations requested ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking at upgraded one of my machines from a Single PIII to *at least* a Dual, and am looking for recommendations. I've looked through the Tyan and ASUS sites, and I can't seem to find anything at either that does >1GB of RAM ... What are ppl recommending nowadays as far as stable Dual/Quad motherboards? ASUS, to me, has always been "the safe bet", is that still the case? What about configurations of >1GB? ie. 8 vs 4 SIMM slots? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Mar 12 23:22:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1008C37B78E for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24138; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:22:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:22:44 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual/Quad PIII motherboard ... recommendations requested ... Message-ID: <20000312232244.A16102@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from scrappy@hub.org on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 02:29:02AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 02:29:02AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > I'm looking at upgraded one of my machines from a Single PIII to *at > least* a Dual, and am looking for recommendations. > > I've looked through the Tyan and ASUS sites, and I can't seem to find > anything at either that does >1GB of RAM ... > > What are ppl recommending nowadays as far as stable Dual/Quad > motherboards? ASUS, to me, has always been "the safe bet", is that still > the case? What about configurations of >1GB? ie. 8 vs 4 SIMM slots? Actually, Tyan has several >1GB solutions. They have a few 2GB boards based on the GX chipset that should be supported, one 2GB board based on the i840 which should probably work, and an 8GB (I assume 4GB on FreeBSD) based on the ServerWorks ServerSet III HE (is that supported?). Unfortunaly, that last two are currently only available to Tyan's alpha partners. I'm actually pretty curious if the ServerWorks (http://www.serverworks.com/) chipsets are or will be supported. The Tyan Thunder 2500 looks like a truly kickbutt board for a cluster connected with MyriNet or Gigabit Ethernet since all the PCI slots are 64-bit and two are 66Mhz as well. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 0: 1:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F637B5A7 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neil@beacon.synthcom.com) Received: from beacon.synthcom.com (beacon.synthcom.com [207.202.141.81]) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24134 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neil@beacon.synthcom.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Bradley Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual/Quad PIII motherboard ... recommendations requested ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What are ppl recommending nowadays as far as stable Dual/Quad > motherboards? ASUS, to me, has always been "the safe bet", is that still > the case? Funny that so many have had good luck with Asus. I've had consistently bad (read that, reliability) luck with them. If you're going for slot 1 motherboards, Supermicro has been quite good to me, specifically the P6DBE, but it's 440BX based and only supports 1 gigabyte of RAM. I haven't looked at or worked with their 810/820/840 based boards (yet) nor have I with their slot 2 solutions. -->Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Bradley Seti@Home Hall of Shame on a 80386DX16, Intel 80387 Synthcom Systems, Inc. 32MB RAM, Win 95 Status: 48.425% complete ICQ # 29402898 CPU Time: 1721 Hours 14 minutes 53.4 sec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 1:46: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from barney.ife.no (barney.ife.no [128.39.229.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031037B562 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stein@ife.no) Received: from ife.no (virginis.ife.no [128.39.229.176]) by barney.ife.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21542; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:45:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38CCB8CB.D1B35D6@ife.no> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:45:48 +0100 From: "Stein M. Sandbech" Reply-To: stein@ife.no Organization: IFE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Q: SMP on Intel OR840 MB? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CCD5CFB8462D121E768056E8" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------CCD5CFB8462D121E768056E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi As the subject says, do anyone have any experience with SMP on the OutRigger ( OR840 ) motherboard. I`ve just checked the "questions", "hardware" and "smp" mail list archives, and found no relevant info on this. I`ve just bought the motherboard, and are waiting for the PIII 833MHz CPU`s to become available. But I would like to minimize the "gambling factor" regarding SMP and buy just one CPU if the chanches are small that SMP will work. Any info are appreciated... --Stein Morten -- /* Stein M Sandbech Email: stein@ife.no ** ** Senior Systems Engineer, EDP dept Email: stein@www.ife.no** ** Institute for Energy Technology Tel: +47 63 80 60 00 ** ** Box 40, N-2007 Kjeller, NORWAY Fax: +47 63 81 11 68 */ --------------CCD5CFB8462D121E768056E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Hi
As the subject says, do anyone have any experience with
SMP on the OutRigger ( OR840 ) motherboard. I`ve just checked
the "questions", "hardware" and "smp" mail list archives, and found
no relevant info on this.
I`ve just bought the motherboard, and are waiting for the 
PIII 833MHz CPU`s to become available. But I would like to minimize
the "gambling factor" regarding SMP and buy just one CPU if the
chanches are small that SMP will work.
Any info are appreciated...
--Stein Morten
-- 
/* Stein M Sandbech                  Email: stein@ife.no    **
** Senior Systems Engineer, EDP dept Email: stein@www.ife.no**
** Institute for Energy Technology   Tel: +47 63 80 60 00   **
** Box 40, N-2007 Kjeller, NORWAY    Fax: +47 63 81 11 68   */
  --------------CCD5CFB8462D121E768056E8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 7: 7: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8911F37B516; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevinw@demon.net) Received: from gti.noc.demon.net (gti.noc.demon.net [195.11.55.101]) by internal.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id PAA10745; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:06:51 GMT Received: from localhost (kevinw@localhost) by gti.noc.demon.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21307; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:06:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: gti.noc.demon.net: kevinw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:06:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walton X-Sender: kevinw@gti.noc.demon.net To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8 way Xeon SMP on a IBM NetFinity 8500 In-Reply-To: <200002091641.IAA00710@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > We are getting an 8 way Xeon IBM NetFinity 8500 and want to test FreeBSD > > on it. Just wondering: > > > > 1) Does FreeBSD support 8 way Xeon SMP? > > 2) How 'well' does it support it? > > 3) Has anyone tried it on a NetFinity 8500, and did they have any > > problems? > > I expect that this will be a Corollary-based system, and probably not > Intel MP-spec compliant. If that's the case, we won't on it at all. FYI We have FreeBSD 3.4 Installed and it's been running happily for a week now with 4 processors in, just waiting for the next 4 to arrive. Cheers Kev -- Kevin Walton Team Leader of Interactive Services Thus Data Services Demon Internet http://www.games.demon.net/ http://www.demon.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 7:38:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95FAF37B57F for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 40736 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Mar 2000 15:38:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:38:22 +0100 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: Neil Bradley Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual/Quad PIII motherboard ... recommendations requested ... Message-ID: <20000313163822.A40087@rohrbach.de> Reply-To: karsten@rohrbach.de References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from neil@synthcom.com on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 12:17:49AM -0800 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-Sender: karsten@rohrbach.de Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hiya * asus p2b-d* boards: upgrade the firmware, most of the boards get delivered with an old bios that doesnt set the mptable information the correct way, so the ap cpu seems to die and other weird stuff. had that with several p2b-ds boards and they now work like a charm with 3.4 on dual piii-500 boxes... same thing with ami megarum ii (cool board by the way when you dont need to keep your budgets tiny)... always upgrade to the newest firmware or you got problems detecting the 2nd cpu or even attach 64bit pci cards. and you wont get it to run with piii's anyway if you dont flash a news bios since the one that comes in the flash only recognizes pii types. have fun... /k Neil Bradley(neil@synthcom.com)@Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 12:17:49AM -0800: > > What are ppl recommending nowadays as far as stable Dual/Quad > > motherboards? ASUS, to me, has always been "the safe bet", is that still > > the case? > > Funny that so many have had good luck with Asus. I've had consistently bad > (read that, reliability) luck with them. > > If you're going for slot 1 motherboards, Supermicro has been quite good to > me, specifically the P6DBE, but it's 440BX based and only supports 1 > gigabyte of RAM. I haven't looked at or worked with their 810/820/840 > based boards (yet) nor have I with their slot 2 solutions. > > -->Neil > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neil Bradley Seti@Home Hall of Shame on a 80386DX16, Intel 80387 > Synthcom Systems, Inc. 32MB RAM, Win 95 Status: 48.425% complete > ICQ # 29402898 CPU Time: 1721 Hours 14 minutes 53.4 sec > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message -- > Sure eating yogurt will improve your sex life. People know that if > you'll eat that stuff, you'll eat anything. http://www.webmonster.de http://www.apache.de http://www.splatterworld.de (NIC-HDL KR433/KR11-RIPE) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 7:43: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E482B37B552 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04402 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:43:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:43:25 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: SMP failure, please help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I posted a few weeks ago the same problem and I still need help. We have a SMP box here, a Siemens/Nixdorf PCE-5Smp. One machine is a Win NT 4.0 Adavnced Server box and runs well. The other box should run FBSD 4.0, but only on cpu works, each SMP kernel crashes. Both machines are identical except the one whihc should run FBSD: yesterday I installed a third CPU board but it resulted in the same effect. These two machine were sold in 1997. BIOS revision is 4.04.3. Both systems have 256 Mbytes RAM. Each CPU board has an indicator light reflecting whether the board uses MP Spec 1.4 compliance or, when off, acting like a Banyan compliant SMP system. In BIOS we switched MP on, lights are on, so we can assume the system works at least at MP Spec 1.1. Wen calling NT's administrator tools they show MP Spec 1.4. Using mptable, we get a 'hosed' mptable-log and MP Spec 1.1. mptable produces the following output: =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: EBDA physical address: 0x0009f0a0 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.1 checksum: 0x69 mode: PIC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x0009fcb5 signature: '˙˙˙˙' base table length: 65535 version: 1.255 checksum: 0xff OEM ID: '˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙' Product ID: '˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙' OEM table pointer: 0xffffffff OEM table size: 65535 entry count: 65535 local APIC address: 0xffffffff extended table length: 65535 extended table checksum: 255 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags -- Bus: Bus ID Type -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Extended Table Entries: Extended Table HOSED! It doesn' t matter whether to use two or three cpus. NT works fine on both machines, no problems, all cpus are running and working (we tested with only two cpu boards). But I can not bring up a working SMP kernel on this machine! Why? Obviously mptable finds something, but finds strange things. dmesg shows us this: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #7: Fri Mar 10 18:23:06 CET 2000 root@wotan.brainstorm-online.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WOTAN Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193152 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 99998602 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (100.00-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping = 5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 257536000 (251500K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0386000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc038609c. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 vx0: <3COM 3C595 Fast Etherlink III PCI> port 0x7080-0x709f irq 15 at device 17.0 on pci0 utp/tx[*utp*]: disable 'auto select' with DOS util! address 00:a0:24:43:e1:e9 vx0: supplying EUI64: 00:a0:24:ff:fe:43:e1:e9 vx0: driver is using old-style compatability shims mlx0: port 0x7000-0x707f mem 0x82000000-0x8200007f irq 9 at device 18.0 on pci0 mlx0: DAC960P/PD, 3 channels, firmware 3.51-0-12, 4MB RAM mlxd0: on mlx0 mlxd0: 12288MB (25165824 sectors) RAID 5 (online) pci0: at 20.0 irq 15 eisa0: on motherboard mainboard0: on eisa0 slot 0 isa0: on motherboard atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0 at vga0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> aic0: at port 0x340-0x35f irq 11 on isa0 aic0: aic6360, dma, disconnection, parity check fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A esp_port has com 3 port 0x180 is not an ESP board? esp_port has com 3 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A esp_port has com 3 port 0x180 is not an ESP board? esp_port has com 3 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle sa0 at aic0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8) no devsw (majdev=0 bootdev=0xa0200000) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/mlxd0s1a cd0 at aic0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present cd1 at aic0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present vx0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::02a0:24ff:fe43:e1e9 vx0: DAD complete for fe80:0001::02a0:24ff:fe43:e1e9 - no duplicates found There is nothing about CPU clock or chipset or PCI bridges like on another system, based on Intel's BX chipset (dual PII mainboard). Well, if a system offers MP Spec 1.1 or 1.4 compliance, it should work with SMP kernel, shouln't it? I have no experiences in 'kernel hacking' for this reason, so I appreciate any help I could get to bring up all cpu boards in this dinosaur. If you have any suggestions, please email me! Kind regards, O. Hartmann Gruss O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver des IPA, Universitaet Mainz Netzwerk- und Systembetreuung To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 13 11:45:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DA437BE54 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00931; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:47:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003131947.LAA00931@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: stein@ife.no Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: SMP on Intel OR840 MB? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:45:48 +0100." <38CCB8CB.D1B35D6@ife.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:47:28 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just as a general "heads up", I'm having problems with SMP on an i840-based board at the moment. I haven't had time to characterise it (still! 8(), but you should be careful for a little while here. > As the subject says, do anyone have any experience with > SMP on the OutRigger ( OR840 ) motherboard. I`ve just checked > the "questions", "hardware" and "smp" mail list archives, and found > no relevant info on this. > > I`ve just bought the motherboard, and are waiting for the > PIII 833MHz CPU`s to become available. But I would like to minimize > the "gambling factor" regarding SMP and buy just one CPU if the > chanches are small that SMP will work. > > Any info are appreciated... > > --Stein Morten > > -- > /* Stein M Sandbech Email: stein@ife.no ** > ** Senior Systems Engineer, EDP dept Email: stein@www.ife.no** > ** Institute for Energy Technology Tel: +47 63 80 60 00 ** > ** Box 40, N-2007 Kjeller, NORWAY Fax: +47 63 81 11 68 */ > > > > > > > 
Hi
> > 
As the subject says, do anyone have any experience with
> SMP on the OutRigger ( OR840 ) motherboard. I`ve just checked
> the "questions", "hardware" and "smp" mail list archives, and found
> no relevant info on this.
> > 
I`ve just bought the motherboard, and are waiting for the 
> PIII 833MHz CPU`s to become available. But I would like to minimize
> the "gambling factor" regarding SMP and buy just one CPU if the
> chanches are small that SMP will work.
> > 
Any info are appreciated...
> > 
--Stein Morten
> > 
-- 
> /* Stein M Sandbech                  Email: stein@ife.no    **
> ** Senior Systems Engineer, EDP dept Email: stein@www.ife.no**
> ** Institute for Energy Technology   Tel: +47 63 80 60 00   **
> ** Box 40, N-2007 Kjeller, NORWAY    Fax: +47 63 81 11 68   */
>   > -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 14 10:37:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.164.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A3537B830 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA55358 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:37:16 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:37:15 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: AMI Dual PIII Motherboard ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Continuing the thread that I started earlier this week, we came across the following motherboard: http://www.ami.com/motherboards/p2/s774spec.html Dual-PIII, up to 2GB of SDRAM or 1GB of DIMM ... Can anyone comment on this product? Good/bad experiences? Comments about SDRAM vs DIMM? Comparable motherboard from other manufacturers? The above costs something like $700CDN ... They also have a nice looking Quad for ~$1200 ... But its not a brand that I remember anyone ever talking about ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 14 13: 3:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBDD937B773 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from max.calvo@maxcalvo.net) Received: (qmail 3963 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 21:02:28 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-smp@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 1427 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 2000 21:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lrl) (206.80.218.245) by phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 21:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01bf8df8$674d7ac0$f5da50ce@maxcalvo.net> Reply-To: "Max Calvo" From: "Max Calvo" To: Subject: ast manhattan SMP Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:01:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have anyone tried FreeBSD on an AST Manhattan SMP server??? -Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 15 6:27:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2962F37B9E0; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA84115; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:28:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:28:07 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: SMP on RCC/Reliant HE/LE chipsets? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We consider upgrading our hardware to new SMP system. Amazed by the bug of Intel's i840 chipset in conjunction with ECC and the memory and extreme bandwith limitiations due the memory translation hubs when using cost effective SDRAM instaed of horrible expensive RAMBUS modules, I look for other solutions and found some interesting informations at ASUS and especially at TYAN. Their Thunder 2500 mainboard seems to be really interesting because it comes with a high performance chipset not offered by Intel. So, target OS is FreeBSD 4.0 and it should run on a Dual-Slot I Coppermine system using this Tyan Thunder 2500 mainboard. Does anybody has experiences with the used Reliant core chipset and FreeBSD? My horrible experiences with so called MP Spec compliant systems and FreeBSD makes me confused and I'm not sure whether my thoughts about this nice RCC/Reliant architecture is suitable for FreeBSD SMP systems (see M. Smith's comment on problems with the i840 chipset and SMP on FBSD ... :-( ). Gruss O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver des IPA, Universitaet Mainz Netzwerk- und Systembetreuung To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 15 10:38: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from ixori.demon.nl (ixori.demon.nl [195.11.248.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341EB37BEE3 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bart@ixori.demon.nl) Received: from smtp-relay by ixori.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA58128 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:32:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bart@ixori.demon.nl) Received: from network (intranet) by smtp-relay (Bart's intranet smtp server) Message-ID: <38CFF347.865CFD63@ixori.demon.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:32:07 -0100 From: Bart van Leeuwen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: SMP and vn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I wanted to build me a release, so I followed the documentation and created a kernel with the vnode pseudo device. After adding that, I decided to do a make buildworld, which caused a complete freeze of my machine after a while. Now this might have happened for some onscure, unrelated reason, but repeating this a few times with and without the vn pseudo device got a 1 on 1 relationship between those freezes and having the pseudo device in my kernel. I left the thing in my kernel to see if it might cause any other simular problems (a complete freeze where only poweroff/reset button still works doesn't tell that much about what is going wrong, does it? ;-) This ended with a complete freeze when my xscreensaver was displaying some opengl screensaver. Reboot, startx, try quake III, complete freeze within 5 minutes (but when repeating this, it happens at random moments) In any case, it looks to me that SMP + vnode + heavy load == freeze. This all runs on an Asus p2b-ds with 2x Pentium II 333, 196mb memory, using both ide and scsi disks, mga g400 graphics, sb awe64 (isa) sound card. Looking at this config I found 2 things: - isa dma with soundblaster can be a problem in certain situations. - I do not have the latest bios from ASUS. Those 2 issues are easy to eliminate, but the fun is that this machine never showed such behavior before, so I would expect those freezes to be unrelated to those 2 potential issues. Is there anyone with simular experience? is there anything documented about using vn on smp systems? Related to this, is there any possibility to get vesa support working on smp systems? (if only coz a 320x200 'splash' screen looks lousy while my cheap as dirt k6 system comes up with a nice 1024x768 splash, but more serously, I'd love to have 132 colums on a console on this machine ;-) I have seen that VESA + SMP is currently unsupported (and verified that it indeed does not work well ;-) Is it unsuported because of technical problems? or because it simply was never made to work well? regards, Bart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 15 10:41:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from ixori.demon.nl (ixori.demon.nl [195.11.248.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6468A37C194 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bart@ixori.demon.nl) Received: from smtp-relay by ixori.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA58136 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:38:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bart@ixori.demon.nl) Received: from network (intranet) by smtp-relay (Bart's intranet smtp server) Message-ID: <38CFF4B7.BAA05D2D@ixori.demon.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:38:15 -0100 From: Bart van Leeuwen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: vn and smp, add. info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heh, I forgot to tell something about which version I tried this with. I have tried this with 20000129-CURRENT, 19991204-CURRENT and 20000309-CURRENT (sorry, didn't have time to build more versions.. ;-) Kernel config is a copy of GENERIC with a device pcm0 and SMP and APIC options added (tho the effect is the same with a kernel that is more tailored to the specific config I have) and of course the vn pseudo device added ;-) Bart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 16 11: 5:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from despam.spin.it (despam.spin.it [147.123.1.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7A037C00E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from furio@spin.it) Received: from mail.spin.it (plus.spin.it [147.123.1.12]) by despam.spin.it (Postfix/beta-19990601/Spin-ext-16nov1999) with ESMTP id 6078C3C04A for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:05:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (from furio@localhost) by mail.spin.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/spin-int-jan2000) id UAA20487; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:05:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:05:42 +0100 From: furio ercolessi To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Getting started on a Compaq Proliant 3000R Message-ID: <20000316200542.C15254@spin.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody, I am new to this list. I am setting up FreeBSD (3.4-RELEASE) on a 2-processor Compaq Proliant 3000R. We are an ISP and we will use this server for mail; we need stability and reliability. We come from the Linux-Redhat world and we have enough of it. I thought to try a SMP kernel before deciding to throw away one processor :), however I have some booting difficulties. I know basically nothing of SMP operation. Anybody can help me out? I get: [...] Programming 35 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpint 24 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 25 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 26 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 27 -> irq 20 IOAPIC #0 intpint 28 -> irq 19 IOAPIC #0 intpint 29 -> irq 18 IOAPIC #0 intpint 30 -> irq 17 IOAPIC #0 intpint 31 -> irq 16 and here everything locks. In my configuration I have options SMP options APIC_IO options NCPU=2 #options NBUS=4 #options NAPIC=1 options NINTR=60 (it apparently needs to be at least 51) and the output of mptable is below. I will grateful to anybody giving me hints allowing me to continue the experiment. If you feel I am crazy to run SMP on a production server, I would also like to hear about that :-) Thanks in advance furio ercolessi Spin - Trieste (Italy) =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f4ff0 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.4 checksum: 0x00 mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f51b9 signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 540 version: 1.4 checksum: 0x25 OEM ID: 'COMPAQ ' Product ID: 'PROLIANT ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 59 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 184 extended table checksum: 80 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 0 0x10 BSP, usable 6 2 1 0x0381 0 0x10 AP, usable 6 7 3 0x383fbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 9 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 8 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# INT active-lo level 0 6:A 8 31 INT active-lo level 0 6:B 8 31 INT active-lo level 0 6:C 8 31 INT active-lo level 0 6:D 8 31 INT active-lo level 0 7:A 8 30 INT active-lo level 0 7:B 8 30 INT active-lo level 0 7:C 8 30 INT active-lo level 0 7:D 8 30 INT active-lo level 0 8:A 8 29 INT active-lo level 0 8:B 8 29 INT active-lo level 0 8:C 8 29 INT active-lo level 0 8:D 8 29 INT active-lo level 0 9:A 8 28 INT active-lo level 0 9:B 8 28 INT active-lo level 0 9:C 8 28 INT active-lo level 0 9:D 8 28 INT active-lo level 1 6:A 8 27 INT active-lo level 1 6:B 8 27 INT active-lo level 1 6:C 8 27 INT active-lo level 1 6:D 8 27 INT active-lo level 1 7:A 8 26 INT active-lo level 1 7:B 8 26 INT active-lo level 1 7:C 8 26 INT active-lo level 1 7:D 8 26 INT active-lo level 1 8:A 8 25 INT active-lo level 1 8:B 8 25 INT active-lo level 1 8:C 8 25 INT active-lo level 1 8:D 8 25 INT active-lo level 1 9:A 8 24 INT active-lo level 1 9:B 8 24 INT active-lo level 1 9:C 8 24 INT active-lo level 1 9:D 8 24 INT active-lo level 1 4:A 8 22 INT active-lo level 1 4:B 8 21 INT active-lo level 0 5:A 8 23 INT active-hi edge 9 1 8 1 INT active-hi edge 9 0 8 2 INT active-hi edge 9 3 8 3 INT active-hi edge 9 4 8 4 INT active-hi edge 9 5 8 5 INT active-hi edge 9 6 8 6 INT active-hi edge 9 7 8 7 INT active-hi edge 9 8 8 8 INT active-hi edge 9 9 8 9 INT active-hi edge 9 10 8 10 INT active-hi edge 9 11 8 11 INT active-hi edge 9 12 8 12 INT active-lo level 9 13 8 13 INT active-hi edge 9 14 8 14 INT active-hi edge 9 15 8 15 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT conforms conforms 9 0 255 0 NMI conforms conforms 9 0 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Extended Table Entries: Extended Table HOSED! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 16 11:21:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.164.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E757037BCCA for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06362 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:21:31 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:21:31 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS P3C-D ... experiences with Risers? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.asus.com.tw/Products/motherboard/Pentiumpro/P3c-d/index.html has anyone looked at this motherboard, and/or have experience with DIMM Risers? I'd like to avoid the cost of RDRAM, if at all posssible, right now, but its a production machine and it makes me nervous to use something to 'fake' another ... Thanks... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 16 15:41:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from corvus.websedge.com (host04.mmeg.ewr.qwest.net [208.45.132.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864B37BF5A for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from york@mediarack.com) Received: from mars ([131.202.90.92]) by corvus.websedge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA64179 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:41:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from york@mediarack.com) Message-ID: <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> From: "Brent York" To: Subject: *sigh* Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It has come to my attention that even with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE SMP support, I do not see two processes marked runnable at any given time. My processors are both Intel (P3) and my motherboard is well supported (ASUS). It is my understanding that SMP support is not just to allow ping ponging of processes between multiple CPU's for tasking purposes, but to allow more than one concurrently running thread and or process on seperate CPU's. I have worked with many SMP-supporting OS's such as Linux (ugh), Solaris, Solaris X86 etc... All of which show more than one process marked as runnable at any given time, and yet I see only a single process marked runnable on this FreeBSD machine at any given point. Whats more, benchmarks and other information from MySQL show that threads are not executing concurrently accross the dual CPU architecture which I have. I'm quite sure I have the kernel options configured correctly, which is why Im so confused about this. So, without further ado, I ask a simple question, does FreeBSD 4.0-R fix this problem? Or is there some way I can fix it with 3.3-R such that the SMP is working properly and or most efficiently, and allowing threads to span CPU's and execute concurrently, and likewise with processes? Thank you for your time. -- Brent York york@mediarack.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 16 16:53:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D4D37BD24 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA43495; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Brent York" Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *sigh* In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:27:15 -0400." <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43492.953254456@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It has come to my attention that even with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE > SMP support, I do not see two processes marked runnable at any > given time. I don't know how you're looking at this, but I have always seen this to be the case in "top". - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 16 17:36:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA2637BCE7 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:36:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17890; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Brent York , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *sigh* In-Reply-To: <43492.953254456@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It has come to my attention that even with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE > > SMP support, I do not see two processes marked runnable at any > > given time. > > I don't know how you're looking at this, but I have always seen > this to be the case in "top". [snipping] PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 74491 username 76 1 1560K 1212K RUN 0 0:01 36.90% 3.52% miva 74500 username 42 1 1600K 1244K RUN 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% miva Also, when state is CPUN doesn't that mean that the process is running on cpu N? Doug -- "While the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems, it would be easier sometimes to change the past" - Jackson Browne, "Fountain of Sorrow" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 17 0:38:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (hromeo.algonet.se [194.213.74.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EF7137BC64 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mal@algonet.se) Received: (qmail 627 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 09:38:14 +0100 Received: from sheridan.tninet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.94.102) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 09:38:14 +0100 Received: from kairos.algonet.se (kairos.algonet.se [194.213.74.201]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.0.1) with ESMTP id sheridan-s1-953.285846.24232 ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:37:26 +0000 Received: (mal@localhost) by kairos.algonet.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.6.12) id JAA22609; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:38:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:38:13 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200003170838.JAA22609@kairos.algonet.se> X-Authentication-Warning: kairos.algonet.se: mal set sender to mal@kairos.algonet.se using -f From: Mats Lofkvist To: york@mediarack.com Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> (york@mediarack.com) Subject: Re: *sigh* References: <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It has come to my attention that even with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE SMP support, I do not see two processes marked runnable at any given time. Since concurrent execution of _processes_ on different cpu's has worked since 3.0, there must either be something wrong in your setup, or the way you check it. One easy way to check if basic SMP works is to run two cpu-hogging processes at the same time and check with top that both of them get close to 100% cpu. (Note that 'RUN' in top doesn't mean running, it means runnable. 'CPUN' means it is running on cpu N.) My processors are both Intel (P3) and my motherboard is well supported (ASUS). It is my understanding that SMP support is not just to allow ping ponging of processes between multiple CPU's for tasking purposes, but to allow more than one concurrently running thread and or process on seperate CPU's. The support for executing separate threads in the same process on different CPU's is still not quite there. There is a port of the linux threads library to get that functionality, though. I have worked with many SMP-supporting OS's such as Linux (ugh), Solaris, Solaris X86 etc... All of which show more than one process marked as runnable at any given time, and yet I see only a single process marked runnable on this FreeBSD machine at any given point. Whats more, benchmarks and other information from MySQL show that threads are not executing concurrently accross the dual CPU architecture which I have. I'm quite sure I have the kernel options configured correctly, which is why Im so confused about this. Do you get the 'launching cpu 1' message at boot? So, without further ado, I ask a simple question, does FreeBSD 4.0-R fix this problem? Or is there some way I can fix it with 3.3-R such that the SMP is working properly and or most efficiently, and allowing threads to span CPU's and execute concurrently, and likewise with processes? AFAIK, the parallel scheduling of threads without the linux threads library port is under development. The reason it isn't done yet is (as always with FreeBSD :-) that it is being done the 'right way' with a hybrid between user level and kernel threads, more like in solaris than the 'all threads are kernel threads' solution in linux. The reason you don't want kernel threads only is that for an application that is not cpu-bound, the overhead of kernel threads is decreasing application performance. E.g. if you check the volano java benchmarks you can see that all linux numbers are with the java 'green threads' library and not with the linux (kernel) threads library. Thank you for your time. -- Brent York york@mediarack.com _ Mats Lofkvist mal@algonet.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 17 6:11: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407FD37BE0B for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from bsdbox.habatech.no ([62.92.133.3]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16877; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:10:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:12:20 +0100 (CET) From: "Erik H. Bakke" To: Doug Barton Subject: Re: *sigh* Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, Brent York , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Mar-00 Doug Barton wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >> > It has come to my attention that even with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE >> > SMP support, I do not see two processes marked runnable at any >> > given time. >> >> I don't know how you're looking at this, but I have always seen >> this to be the case in "top". > > [snipping] > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 74491 username 76 1 1560K 1212K RUN 0 0:01 36.90% 3.52% miva > 74500 username 42 1 1600K 1244K RUN 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% miva > > Also, when state is CPUN doesn't that mean that the process is running on > cpu N? > Some Asus boards I've seen has some issues with the BIOS that generate problems for SMP. My P2B-DS was one of these boards, and I had to upgrade the BIOS to the newest revision available from their web-pages to solve the problem. Also, the new BIOS was required to recognize the PIII processors on this board. If there is a newer BIOS available for the board, I'd recommend trying the upgrade. If there's not, I would suspect a HW problem. Personally I have nothing but good experience in running SMP systems with Asus MB's once I got the BIOS right. ===========================+================+=============================== Erik H. Bakke | | To be or not to be... Senior Consultant/Developer|erik@habatech.no| Is simply a question of Habatech AS | | binary logic ===========================+================+============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 17 11:25: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D4A37BB7C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:24:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA111344; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:24:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> References: <000701bf8f9f$2b2859e0$5c5aca83@csd.unb.ca.acscience.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:24:54 -0500 To: "Brent York" , From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: *sigh* Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 7:27 PM -0400 3/16/00, Brent York wrote: >I'm quite sure I have the kernel options configured correctly, >which is why Im so confused about this. > >So, without further ado, I ask a simple question, does FreeBSD 4.0-R >fix this problem? Or is there some way I can fix it with 3.3-R such >that the SMP is working properly and or most efficiently, and allowing >threads to span CPU's and execute concurrently, and likewise with >processes? Just as a data point, I have run dual-processor systems on both 3.0-beta (pre-release) and 3.2-release. On both, I definitely see "CPU0" and "CPU1" show up as state's in 'top -SI' on the same screen-update (and sometimes a few more processes in READY...). Those are separate processes, not separate threads in one process. If you don't see multiple processors active while you're running multiple cpu-bound processes, then I doubt an upgrade to 4.0 will whatever problem you're seeing with 3.3-release... (unless maybe you do have some config wrong and you happen to correct that while installing the new release). What do you get for output from: dmesg | grep -i cpu If you're trying to run multiple threads in a single process, well, other messages have already given the details of the current status of threads. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 17 13:40:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from www.exitexchange.com (www.exitexchange.com [206.58.218.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478C237B760; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:40:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@exitexchange.com) Received: from exitexchange.com ([206.58.218.112]) by www.exitexchange.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA20631; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:51:16 -0800 Message-Id: <200003141351.FAA20631@www.exitexchange.com> Received: from reg@exitexchange.com by (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07521 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:00:35 -0600 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 00 05:00:35 EST From: "Registration Information" To: reg@exitexchange.com Subject: Re: Registration of domain with ExitExchange.com Reply-To: reg@exitexchange.com Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's how to register. 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The only anomaly I can see in /var/log/messages is /kernel: APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery /kernel: APIC_IO: Broken MP table detected: 8254 is not connected to IO APIC int pin 2 /kernel: APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 which I hope to be innocuous. Thanks for the help! furio ercolessi Spin - Trieste (Italy) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message