From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 5: 3:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4334337B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB13C43E42 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-81.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.81]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37F35002E; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:02:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BA1B73355; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:00:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A1C4C55; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:00:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:00:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Subject: Re: HD stress testing In-Reply-To: <20020720094956.59837025.Jan.Lentfer@web.de> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Tagline: TGIFreeBSD.... 'Nuff said. X-AIM-Handle: KrisBSD X-Website: http://catonic.net/ X-Mailer: !/bin/sh X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Jan Lentfer wrote: > I just bought myself a new SCSI HD for my PWS on ebay. I did some > performance testing with bonnie and it seems ok so far. Is there a > tool to check the HD for errors, something like the surface scan in MS > scandisk? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd1 bs=64k -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 9:47: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBE837B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E650843E58 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from strings.polstra.com (strings.polstra.com [206.213.73.20]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6LGl6D90006 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.1 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: How to netboot an Alpha? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could somebody point me to some instructions on how to netboot an Alpha? I don't need much detail, just a quick jumpstart. I already know how to netboot an i386 machine using pxeldr. My machine has a DE500-BA network interface (dc driver). Thanks, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 10:29:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E01237B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C72B43E58 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6LHTc0i049708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:29:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6LHTbFJ088745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:29:37 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g6LHTbUE088744; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:29:37 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:29:36 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? Message-ID: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 09:47:06AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > Could somebody point me to some instructions on how to netboot an > Alpha? I don't need much detail, just a quick jumpstart. I already > know how to netboot an i386 machine using pxeldr. My machine has a > DE500-BA network interface (dc driver). That's what I used with isc-dhcpd some time ago: #shared-network keller2 { # option domain-name "cicely.de"; # option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.22, 10.1.1.8; # allow bootp; # default-lease-time 14400; # max-lease-time 86400; # server-name "cicely8.cicely.de"; # get-lease-hostnames true; # authoritative; # option ntp-servers 10.1.6.9; # # subnet 10.1.11.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { # range dynamic-bootp 10.1.11.128 10.1.11.254; # option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.22, 10.1.1.8; # option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; # option broadcast-address 10.1.11.255; # option routers 10.1.11.8; # filename "netboot"; # next-server 10.1.1.11; # option root-path "10.1.1.11:/var/d7/testroot/"; # } #} netboot is serviced via tftp. I'm not shure if it still works as there were several rumours about problems with netboot. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 11:27:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD48137B401 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.ksc.th.com (mail5.ksc.th.com [203.155.0.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4246A43E6E for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easytoberich01@yahoo.com) Received: from ksc.th.com ([203.107.241.168]) by mail5.ksc.th.com (8.12.1/8.12.0) with SMTP id g6LILZXJ010927 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:27:44 +0700 Message-Id: <200207211827.g6LILZXJ010927@mail5.ksc.th.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:29:45 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org From: easytoberich01@yahoo.com (chancetoberich) Subject: สำหรับผู้ที่ต้องการโอกาสในการเปลี่ยนแปลงชีวิต Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org !!!!! Part-Time Job!! สำหรับนักเรียน นักศึกษา และผู้ทำงานประจำ คุณต้องการงานแบบนี้บ้างไหม…?? -งาน parttime ทำงานที่บ้านได้ ถ้าคุณใช้ Internet เป็น -ทำงานเพียงวันละ 2-3 ชม. -รายได้ 5,000 – 15,000 บาท ถ้าคุณเป็นคนหนึ่งที่ทำงานประจำหรือยังไม่มีงานทำ นักศึกษาที่กำลังศึกษาอยู่ ผู้ว่างงาน หรือผู้ที่ยังพอมีเวลาว่างจากงานประจำ มีคุณสมบัติเบื้องต้นดังนี้ 1. มีทัศนคติที่ดี 2. พร้อมที่จะเรียนรู้ เนื่องจากเป็นระบบใหม่จึงต้องให้มีการอบรมให้ตามความเหมาะสม 3. ต้องการที่จะทำงานอย่างจริงจัง อยากที่จะเปลี่ยนฐานะทางการเงินของตนเอง และอยากมีรายได้จากการทำงานตรงนี้จริงๆ ทุกอย่างเป็นไปได้ ใน http://www.geocities.com/getchances2000/ อย่า !…………….. เป็นแค่เพียงคนที่นั่งรอโอกาส To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 12: 1:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BC837B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.ksc.th.com (mail5.ksc.th.com [203.155.0.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64D843E31 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easytoberich01@yahoo.com) Received: from ksc.th.com ([203.107.241.168]) by mail5.ksc.th.com (8.12.1/8.12.0) with SMTP id g6LILZwV010927 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:01:35 +0700 Message-Id: <200207211901.g6LILZwV010927@mail5.ksc.th.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:03:36 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org From: easytoberich01@yahoo.com (chancetoberich) Subject: สำหรับผู้ที่ต้องการโอกาสในการเปลี่ยนแปลงชีวิต Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org !!!!! Part-Time Job!! สำหรับนักเรียน นักศึกษา และผู้ทำงานประจำ คุณต้องการงานแบบนี้บ้างไหม…?? -งาน parttime ทำงานที่บ้านได้ ถ้าคุณใช้ Internet เป็น -ทำงานเพียงวันละ 2-3 ชม. -รายได้ 5,000 – 15,000 บาท ถ้าคุณเป็นคนหนึ่งที่ทำงานประจำหรือยังไม่มีงานทำ นักศึกษาที่กำลังศึกษาอยู่ ผู้ว่างงาน หรือผู้ที่ยังพอมีเวลาว่างจากงานประจำ มีคุณสมบัติเบื้องต้นดังนี้ 1. มีทัศนคติที่ดี 2. พร้อมที่จะเรียนรู้ เนื่องจากเป็นระบบใหม่จึงต้องให้มีการอบรมให้ตามความเหมาะสม 3. ต้องการที่จะทำงานอย่างจริงจัง อยากที่จะเปลี่ยนฐานะทางการเงินของตนเอง และอยากมีรายได้จากการทำงานตรงนี้จริงๆ ทุกอย่างเป็นไปได้ ใน http://www.geocities.com/getchances2000/ อย่า !…………….. เป็นแค่เพียงคนที่นั่งรอโอกาส To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 14:58: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0224737B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail3.alcanet.com.au [208.178.117.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9A543E3B for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id g6LLvg8R025832; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:42 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6LLvg2h032699; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6LLvgmS032698; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:41 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020722075741.D367@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: ticso@cicely.de, Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:02:26PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:02:26PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: >And it's a RISC architecture >no complex instructions - that means you often need more instructions. >And all instructions are equal in length, while i386 has some shorter >instructions. Actually, I doubt this has much impact overall. Toy IA32 code can be quite dense but real IA32 code tends to have quite a low density - more comparable with SPARC than M68K (even the RISC-ified ColdFire is denser than IA32 in my experience). Whilst the IA32 does have shorter instructions, it also has longer ones. Other reasons for IA32 bloat are: - Lack of 16-bit offsets. Once a stack frame exceeds 127 bytes, you use 32-bit offsets (typically 6-byte instructions). - Lack of registers. This translates to more memory references and more local variables wind up on the stack. - GCC's (at least up to around 2.7, I haven't looked recently) stack frame allocation algorithm puts large objects (that aren't eligible for register storage) at the top of the frame. Pseudo-registers that fail to get hardware registers are spilled after large objects (further from the frame pointer). - Current IA32 implementations use RISC-like cores and pessimize the CISCier instructions. Avoiding the complex instructions generally gives faster (though larger) code. The first 3 points all mutually conspire to maximise code size. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 15:20:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575E337B401 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F6743E42 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6LMKLD91827; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6LMKLYd027379; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207212220.g6LMKLYd027379@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? In-Reply-To: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de>, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 09:47:06AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > > Could somebody point me to some instructions on how to netboot an > > Alpha? I don't need much detail, just a quick jumpstart. I already > > know how to netboot an i386 machine using pxeldr. My machine has a > > DE500-BA network interface (dc driver). > > That's what I used with isc-dhcpd some time ago: [...] > netboot is serviced via tftp. > > I'm not shure if it still works as there were several rumours > about problems with netboot. Thanks -- that's helpful. But what do I do on the Alpha itself to tell it I want to boot from the network? John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 18:49:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A4237B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DBB43E5E for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20020722014919.DREQ28896.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:49:19 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:49:18 +1000 To: John Polstra From: Rob B Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, ticso@cicely.de In-Reply-To: <200207212220.g6LMKLYd027379@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:20 22/07/2002, John Polstra sent this up the stick: >In article <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de>, >Bernd Walter wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 09:47:06AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > > > Could somebody point me to some instructions on how to netboot an > > > Alpha? I don't need much detail, just a quick jumpstart. I already > > > know how to netboot an i386 machine using pxeldr. My machine has a > > > DE500-BA network interface (dc driver). > > > > That's what I used with isc-dhcpd some time ago: >[...] > > netboot is serviced via tftp. > > > > I'm not shure if it still works as there were several rumours > > about problems with netboot. > >Thanks -- that's helpful. But what do I do on the Alpha itself to >tell it I want to boot from the network? If you have the DHCP server and kernel name saved in the corresponding srm variables, you can do: >>> boot ewa0 Cheers, Rob -- When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried. [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 1187 of a collection of 1254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 21 22: 0:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C77E37B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A69343E42 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6M50U0i057004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:00:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6M50SFJ094809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:00:28 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g6M50Q2T094808; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:00:26 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:00:26 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Rob B Cc: John Polstra , alpha@freebsd.org, ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? Message-ID: <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:49:18AM +1000, Rob B wrote: > At 08:20 22/07/2002, John Polstra sent this up the stick: > >In article <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de>, > >Bernd Walter wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 09:47:06AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > >> > Could somebody point me to some instructions on how to netboot an > >> > Alpha? I don't need much detail, just a quick jumpstart. I already > >> > know how to netboot an i386 machine using pxeldr. My machine has a > >> > DE500-BA network interface (dc driver). > >> > >> That's what I used with isc-dhcpd some time ago: > >[...] > >> netboot is serviced via tftp. > >> > >> I'm not shure if it still works as there were several rumours > >> about problems with netboot. > > > >Thanks -- that's helpful. But what do I do on the Alpha itself to > >tell it I want to boot from the network? > > If you have the DHCP server and kernel name saved in the corresponding srm > variables, you can do: > > >>> boot ewa0 bootp is there so you don't have to name the server. I never needed to configure them. But now that you say - there are different boot protocolls than bootp - mop I remember. And you might need to setup the interface on the netcard as autoselecting doen't work on some machines. I've setup the following variables. Most of them should be default. ewa0_mode for 100basetx is named fast. ewa0_arp_tries 3 ewa0_bootp_file ewa0_bootp_server ewa0_bootp_tries 3 ewa0_def_ginetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_def_inetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_def_inetfile ewa0_def_sinetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_def_subnetmask 0.0.0.0 ewa0_ginetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_inet_init bootp ewa0_inetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_inetfile ewa0_loop_count 3e8 ewa0_loop_inc a ewa0_loop_patt ffffffff ewa0_loop_size 2e ewa0_lp_msg_node 1 ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair ewa0_protocols BOOTP ewa0_sinetaddr 0.0.0.0 ewa0_tftp_tries 3 -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 22 1:29:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D25B37B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta07.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta07.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A8443E3B for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta07.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20020722082918.KUOW10362.mta07.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:29:18 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722182741.00a70b70@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:29:16 +1000 To: ticso@cicely.de From: Rob B Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:00 22/07/2002, Bernd Walter sent this up the stick: > > >bootp is there so you don't have to name the server. >I never needed to configure them. >But now that you say - there are different boot protocolls than >bootp - mop I remember. >And you might need to setup the interface on the netcard as >autoselecting doen't work on some machines. > >I've setup the following variables. My Alpha isn't visible to me at the moment, so I couldn't offer anything more :) Cheers, Rob -- Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 824 of a collection of 1254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 22 9: 4:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3ED37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9762C43E31 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6MG4RD97044 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6MG4QkA029339; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207221604.g6MG4QkA029339@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? In-Reply-To: <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <20020721172936.GF83916@cicely5.cicely.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020722114759.01cdd880@pop.ozemail.com.au> <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de>, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:49:18AM +1000, Rob B wrote: > > If you have the DHCP server and kernel name saved in the corresponding srm > > variables, you can do: > > > > >>> boot ewa0 > > bootp is there so you don't have to name the server. > I never needed to configure them. > But now that you say - there are different boot protocolls than > bootp - mop I remember. > And you might need to setup the interface on the netcard as > autoselecting doen't work on some machines. > > I've setup the following variables. Thanks, guys! That should be all I need. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 22 13:10:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D7537B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vvl15.fh-konstanz.de (vvl15.fh-konstanz.de [141.37.112.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A2A43E65 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vahe@fh-konstanz.de) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by vvl15.fh-konstanz.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g6MKMEn02758 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:22:14 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from vahe@fh-konstanz.de) X-Authentication-Warning: vvl15.fh-konstanz.de: nobody set sender to vahe@fh-konstanz.de using -f To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux DEV breaks CCC! [was - Re: How did I break CCC?] Message-ID: <1027369332.3d3c69746f1aa@vvl15.fh-konstanz.de> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:22:12 +0200 (MEST) From: Vahe Khachikyan References: <1026948385.3d35fd2179b20@vvl15.fh-konstanz.de> In-Reply-To: <1026948385.3d35fd2179b20@vvl15.fh-konstanz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 217.235.133.99 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi list! I found out that linux development package installed on FBSD Alpha box breaks the functionality of an existing CCC. The problem is that the INCLUDE paths seams to be hard coded somewhere. It is even imossible to install the ccc package from scratch, cause during make install it tries to comile something and ends up with a big amount of errors cause of some definitions in include files. I traced the program and find out that it reads the include files from /compat/linux/usr/include if there is a directory with such name. Renaming mentioned directory helps to figure out the problem and the compiler becomes quite happy! Has anybody any idea why it searches the include files over there ? Regards -- Vahe --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 22 13:49:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0951037B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05D543E4A for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0501.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.246] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Wk7E-00000J-00; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3D3C6F92.AF46F2AE@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:48:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vahe Khachikyan Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux DEV breaks CCC! [was - Re: How did I break CCC?] References: <1026948385.3d35fd2179b20@vvl15.fh-konstanz.de> <1027369332.3d3c69746f1aa@vvl15.fh-konstanz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vahe Khachikyan wrote: > I found out that linux development package installed on FBSD Alpha box > breaks the functionality of an existing CCC. > > The problem is that the INCLUDE paths seams to be hard coded somewhere. > It is even imossible to install the ccc package from scratch, cause > during make install it tries to comile something and ends up > with a big amount of errors cause of some definitions in include files. > I traced the program and find out that it reads the include files from > /compat/linux/usr/include if there is a directory with such name. > Renaming mentioned directory helps to figure out the problem > and the compiler becomes quite happy! > > Has anybody any idea why it searches the include files over there ? The compiler runs under Linux binary compatability mode. This means that there is an automatic pereference for path lookups to look in /compat/linux for any abcolute path name (i.e. beginning with "/"). This is done as part of the emulation so that the libraries that get used in the running of Linux binaries are Linux libraries, and so that the data files used by the Linux libraries (e.g. /etc/host.conf, /etc/resolv.conf) are in the correct format for those library routines which read them. The way the compiler works is by running in Linux binary compatability mode, which then generates Alpha assembly language. The Alpha assembly language is then passed to the local system assembler; if you do not have the Linux "devtools" installed, this will be the FreeBSD version of gas on the platform, and the resulting binaries will be FreeBSD native binaries. Probably, there should be a "magic" branding mechanism that causes only path lookups on binary components to be via the compatability path. However, there are not seperate open(2) calls that are used to distinguish binary from non-binary to the OS. Also, you might be doing what you are doing as a result of intent on your part to do Linux developement with the CCC compiler on FreeBSD ...with the intent that the code that results be Linux binaries. Obviously, for that to be true, you would not be using the ports (FreeBSD) version of the CCC compiler, since you would want to make sure that the gas and gld being called were in fact the Linux gas and gld. But in point of fact, the code can't tell the difference, and it's being invoked from a FreeBSD shell script, rather than a FreeBSD binary (or Linux binary). Probably, your best bet for cohabitation would be to create a "/FreeBSD" that would not be there in the Linux case, and link it to the "/" directory, e.g.: ln -s / /FreeBSD And then specify on the compiler command line (if this is possible) that /FreeBSD/include should be referenced before /usr/include. The lookup for /compat/linux/FreeBSD/include will fail, and everything will just work. This assumes that the /compat/linux prefix is not reinterpreted on the traversal of "/" for targets of symbolic links (this is done in the Linux system call layer for path names, so it should not be a problem, assuming you can get the compiler to cooperate). This type of thing should probably be automatic in the FreeBSD CCC package; it's ugly, but likely necessary, if your peculiar configuration is to be supported. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 22 16:40:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981637B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDE943E31 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F2D2A7D6 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4054C279 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0214380F; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? In-Reply-To: <200207221604.g6MG4QkA029339@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:40:17 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020722234017.A0214380F@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > In article <20020722050025.GG83916@cicely5.cicely.de>, > Bernd Walter wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:49:18AM +1000, Rob B wrote: > > > If you have the DHCP server and kernel name saved in the corresponding sr m > > > variables, you can do: > > > > > > >>> boot ewa0 > > > > bootp is there so you don't have to name the server. > > I never needed to configure them. > > But now that you say - there are different boot protocolls than > > bootp - mop I remember. > > And you might need to setup the interface on the netcard as > > autoselecting doen't work on some machines. > > > > I've setup the following variables. > > Thanks, guys! That should be all I need. > > John Beware of the libstand/in_cksum.c bug. This hurts Alpha because the code is actually used. On x86, we call the UDP transmit functions that PXE provides directly and do not have to deal with this part of the code. You'll either need to turn on the compile option to turn off udp checksums within libstand or pull in the libstand in_cksum.c fix. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 23 6:21:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A0E37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reg.seresc.net (regmail.seresc.net [199.92.100.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CAC43E4A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bdina@seresc.net) Received: from laptop ([209.80.192.11]) by reg.seresc.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6NDKtlx017554 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:20:56 -0400 From: "Bryan Dina" To: Subject: gaim-0.59 on AlphaStation 200 4/166 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running a DEC AlphaStation 4/166 with a fresh install of FreeBSD 4.5. I have updated my ports tree to the most current, and have installed gaim-0.59 as well as windowmaker-0.81.1 and blackbox 0.61.1 (I think those are the correct windowmaker and blackbox builds, but at any rate they are current as of last night (7/22/02).) I installed using a full install off of the CD. When I run gaim, it starts up, and works for about 1minute give-or-take, I can even send and recv IM's. After about 1min, gaim just dissapears from my desktop, and when I check what happened by either running it thru an xterm or by checking out the console, I see something like a bad drawable error from gdk-pixbuf. I dont have the machine with me at work to give you a better description... but I have also downloaded older versions from sourceforge (0.58, 0.57, but no older) and both produce the same error. Any suggestions? thanks in advance. -Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 23 9:30:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8661337B406 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B297443E31 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NGUfD04275; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6NGUbth030789; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207231630.g6NGUbth030789@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: peter@wemm.org Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? In-Reply-To: <20020722234017.A0214380F@overcee.wemm.org> References: <20020722234017.A0214380F@overcee.wemm.org> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20020722234017.A0214380F@overcee.wemm.org>, Peter Wemm wrote: > > Beware of the libstand/in_cksum.c bug. This hurts Alpha because the code > is actually used. On x86, we call the UDP transmit functions that PXE > provides directly and do not have to deal with this part of the code. > > You'll either need to turn on the compile option to turn off udp checksums > within libstand or pull in the libstand in_cksum.c fix. Thanks for pointing that out. It looks like the fix is now in both -current and -stable (as of yesterday). So as long as my sources are up-to-date it should work OK. Or am I missing something? John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 23 9:53:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DAE37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reg.seresc.net (regmail.seresc.net [199.92.100.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3659243E4A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bdina@seresc.net) Received: from laptop ([209.80.192.11]) by reg.seresc.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6NGrBlx005990 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:53:11 -0400 From: "Bryan Dina" To: Subject: RE: gaim-0.59 on AlphaStation 200 4/166 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I went home over lunch and grabbed the error message from gaim: gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) serial 4618 error_code 9 request_code 134 minor_code 1 I had installed off of the same FreeBSD 4.5 CD back in april, and everything worked fine, but now it is not, and I do not know why. I need IM on this workstation. I had upgraded to 4.6, and was unhappy with X 4.2.0, and so now I am left with a mess downgrading back to 4.5, and no working gaim.... Thanks in advance. -Bryan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Dina Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:19 AM To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gaim-0.59 on AlphaStation 200 4/166 I am running a DEC AlphaStation 4/166 with a fresh install of FreeBSD 4.5. I have updated my ports tree to the most current, and have installed gaim-0.59 as well as windowmaker-0.81.1 and blackbox 0.61.1 (I think those are the correct windowmaker and blackbox builds, but at any rate they are current as of last night (7/22/02).) I installed using a full install off of the CD. When I run gaim, it starts up, and works for about 1minute give-or-take, I can even send and recv IM's. After about 1min, gaim just dissapears from my desktop, and when I check what happened by either running it thru an xterm or by checking out the console, I see something like a bad drawable error from gdk-pixbuf. I dont have the machine with me at work to give you a better description... but I have also downloaded older versions from sourceforge (0.58, 0.57, but no older) and both produce the same error. Any suggestions? thanks in advance. -Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 23 21:35:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473537B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51843E65 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1342A7D6 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5C14C272 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686523923; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to netboot an Alpha? In-Reply-To: <200207231630.g6NGUbth030789@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:26 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020724043526.686523923@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > In article <20020722234017.A0214380F@overcee.wemm.org>, > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > Beware of the libstand/in_cksum.c bug. This hurts Alpha because the code > > is actually used. On x86, we call the UDP transmit functions that PXE > > provides directly and do not have to deal with this part of the code. > > > > You'll either need to turn on the compile option to turn off udp checksums > > within libstand or pull in the libstand in_cksum.c fix. > > Thanks for pointing that out. It looks like the fix is now in both > -current and -stable (as of yesterday). So as long as my sources > are up-to-date it should work OK. Or am I missing something? It should work now. :-) I've been meaning to go through and export the SRM netboot environment variables into the loader and from the loader to the kernel. This would save SRM doing a dhcp, netboot doing dhcp and then the kernel also doing a dhcp. This would solve the problems we see on the alpha ports cluster where for some reason the loader netboot packets disappear into the void. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 24 6: 9:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F343637B40E for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qescan1.qgraph.com (QESCAN1.qgraph.com [206.158.124.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1063943E42 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Aaron.Schroeder@qg.com) Received: from 192.168.200.28 by qescan1.qgraph.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:09:38 -0500 Received: by sxsmtp1.qgraph.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E2859@waexch1.qgraph.com> From: "Schroeder, Aaron" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Cron/INetD messages after make world Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I just recently did a 'portupgrade' and a 'buildworld.' Most everything went fine, with the exception of kdm not working and these messages on the console: > Jul 23 19:13:01 diabloii inetd[2998]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: Invalid argument > Jul 23 19:15:00 diabloii /usr/sbin/cron[3000]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: Invalid argument I have not played with inetd in a long time on this machine and I have never touched cron. Got me hanging as to what they may be. Anyone have any ideas? TIA, AJ Schroeder To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 24 6:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ACB37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA3443E4A for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14549; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g6ODSkC01371; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:28:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15678.43917.910940.94513@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:28:45 -0400 (EDT) To: "Schroeder, Aaron" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Cron/INetD messages after make world In-Reply-To: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E2859@waexch1.qgraph.com> References: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E2859@waexch1.qgraph.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Schroeder, Aaron writes: > Hello all, > > I just recently did a 'portupgrade' and a 'buildworld.' Most everything went > fine, with the exception of kdm not working and these messages on the > console: > > > Jul 23 19:13:01 diabloii inetd[2998]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: > Invalid argument > > Jul 23 19:15:00 diabloii /usr/sbin/cron[3000]: getting vmemoryuse resource > limit: Invalid argument > > I have not played with inetd in a long time on this machine and I have never > touched cron. Got me hanging as to what they may be. > > Anyone have any ideas? I don't hink this is alpha specifc. It doesn't sound like you rebuilt your kernel & rebooted. See freebsd-stable archives. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 24 10:44:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A5C37B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qescan1.qgraph.com (QESCAN1.qgraph.com [206.158.124.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 964BB43E7B for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Aaron.Schroeder@qg.com) Received: from 192.168.200.28 by qescan1.qgraph.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:53 -0500 Received: by sxsmtp1.qgraph.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E287B@waexch1.qgraph.com> From: "Schroeder, Aaron" To: 'Andrew Gallatin' Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Cron/INetD messages after make world Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That seemed to do the trick! I did a re-compile of the kernel and those messages went away. Thanks Drew! AJ Schroeder -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:29 AM To: Schroeder, Aaron Cc: 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: Cron/INetD messages after make world Schroeder, Aaron writes: > Hello all, > > I just recently did a 'portupgrade' and a 'buildworld.' Most everything went > fine, with the exception of kdm not working and these messages on the > console: > > > Jul 23 19:13:01 diabloii inetd[2998]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: > Invalid argument > > Jul 23 19:15:00 diabloii /usr/sbin/cron[3000]: getting vmemoryuse resource > limit: Invalid argument > > I have not played with inetd in a long time on this machine and I have never > touched cron. Got me hanging as to what they may be. > > Anyone have any ideas? I don't hink this is alpha specifc. It doesn't sound like you rebuilt your kernel & rebooted. See freebsd-stable archives. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 12:34:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F1337B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F543E31 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6PJYfC65268 for alpha@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:34:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:34:41 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Alpha -STABLE snapshots are broken? Message-ID: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I have committed my cross-release patches to -STABLE today, and Alpha snapshot build died with ENOSPC attempting to create the kern.flp. Do you observe the same behavior with the native snapshot build on Alpha? Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9QFLRUkv4P6juNwoRAp7UAJ9i+1KNV4Uh1E4o8/bOucRBpyvf9ACcCULa gZAnf2hWQHr90WviIyqjGuE= =0uh2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 13:39:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C92137B400; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B8743E65; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6PKdUm1000730; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:39:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PKdU6t000729; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:39:30 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha -STABLE snapshots are broken? Message-ID: <20020725223930.B638@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:34:41PM +0300 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:34:41PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: I'll instruct my DS10 to give it a shot. Should have something for you by tomorrow (friday) Wilko > Hi! > > I have committed my cross-release patches to -STABLE today, > and Alpha snapshot build died with ENOSPC attempting to create > the kern.flp. Do you observe the same behavior with the native > snapshot build on Alpha? > > > Cheers, > -- > Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, > ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, > ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, > +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine > > http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 13:39:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0634A37B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C9A43E70 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wab@sbcglobal.net) Received: from VAIO (adsl-67-112-120-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.112.120.110]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6PKdba201514 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com> Reply-To: "Mike Cochran" From: "Mike Cochran" To: Subject: Will my machine run freeBSD? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:40:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C233E0.D2213E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C233E0.D2213E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, I have freebsd installed on an old intel machine, and I am enjoying = working with the OS from a hobbyist's perspective. I'm kinda bored with = x86 and want to pick up an old alphaserver. I have access to an older = alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can = pick up for VERY cheap. So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this = unused alpha if possible. This alpha, which is basically an alphaserver 1200, originally shipped = with NT and I'm sure it boots into alphabios. There is another version = of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms that is called the = 533au. =20 My question is: Is there a setting in the firmware that allows you to = choose between alphabios and srm? If not, can I update/change the = firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to load the firmware = that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or failing = that, some other linux, as well? Any help would be very cool. This is a new area to me, I've never played = around on these machines before, and I don't even have one in front of = me to know if my question even makes sense. Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C233E0.D2213E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,
 
I have freebsd installed on an old = intel machine,=20 and I am enjoying working with the OS from a hobbyist's = perspective.  I'm=20 kinda bored with x86 and want to pick up an old=20 alphaserver. I have access = to an older=20 alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can = pick up=20 for VERY cheap.  So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this = unused alpha=20 if possible.
 
This alpha, which is basically an = alphaserver 1200,=20 originally shipped with NT and I'm sure it boots into = alphabios. There is=20 another version of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms = that is=20 called the 533au.  
 
My question is: Is there a setting in = the firmware=20 that allows you to choose between alphabios and srm?  If not, can I = update/change the firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to = load the=20 firmware that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or = failing=20 that, some other linux, as well?
 
Any help would be very cool. This is a = new area to=20 me, I've never played around on these machines before, and I don't even = have one=20 in front of me to know if my question even makes sense.
 
Thanks,
 
Mike
------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C233E0.D2213E00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 13:46:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB7B37B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6469443E4A for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6PKkOm1000827; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:46:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PKkObr000822; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:46:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:46:24 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Cochran Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Will my machine run freeBSD? Message-ID: <20020725224624.E638@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com>; from wab@sbcglobal.net on Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 01:40:21PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 01:40:21PM -0700, Mike Cochran wrote: Side note: can you please keep email lines < 75 chars ? > I have freebsd installed on an old intel machine, and I am enjoying working with the OS from a hobbyist's perspective. I'm kinda bored with x86 and want to pick up an old alphaserver. I have access to an older alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can pick up for VERY cheap. So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this unused alpha if possible. That should be possible. > This alpha, which is basically an alphaserver 1200, originally shipped with NT and I'm sure it boots into alphabios. There is another version of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms that is called the 533au. That is correct. Your 'whitebox' does not allow running Dunix or VMS (you can tweak the SRM, google to find out how) as-is. FreeBSD is happy with whiteboxes :) > My question is: Is there a setting in the firmware that allows you to choose between alphabios and srm? If not, can I update/change the firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to load the firmware that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or failing that, some other linux, as well? The AS1200 has AlphaBIOS and SRM in the same flashrom IIRC. Search the AlphaBios menus for a setup item that says "Operating system type UNIX" (or something close to that, it has been a while). > Any help would be very cool. This is a new area to me, I've never played around on these machines before, and I don't even have one in front of me to know if my question even makes sense. It does, no worries. You also want to read the Alpha hardware docs that come on the FreeBSD/alpha CDROM. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 13:54: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8868037B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alphacentauri.colorado.edu (alphacentauri.Colorado.EDU [128.138.120.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2185543E42 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@evilelement.net) Received: from evilelement.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alphacentauri.colorado.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6PKsQH02701; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:54:26 -0600 Message-ID: <3D406582.5040700@evilelement.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:54:26 -0600 From: Chris Brotherton Reply-To: chris@evilelement.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cochran Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will my machine run freeBSD? References: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Cochran wrote: > Howdy, > > > > I have freebsd installed on an old intel machine, and I am enjoying > working with the OS from a hobbyist's perspective. I'm kinda bored with > x86 and want to pick up an old alphaserver. I have access to an older > alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can > pick up for VERY cheap. So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this > unused alpha if possible. > > > > This alpha, which is basically an alphaserver 1200, originally shipped > with NT and I'm sure it boots into alphabios. There is another version > of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms that is called the > 533au. > > > > My question is: Is there a setting in the firmware that allows you to > choose between alphabios and srm? If not, can I update/change the > firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to load the firmware > that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or failing > that, some other linux, as well? > > > > Any help would be very cool. This is a new area to me, I've never played > around on these machines before, and I don't even have one in front of > me to know if my question even makes sense. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > Mike, Many of the "a" series came with adaptec SCSI controllers. These controllers cannot be booted from when using the SRM console (SRM is required for FreeBSD). The "au" series came with Qlogic SCSI controllers that are bootable. However, some of the newer "a" series have Qlogic onboard SCSI controllers. These machines are easy to pick out because they have USB. Long story short, if you have an adaptec SCSI controller you will not be able to boot from it, but I have heard it is possible to boot from an IDE drive and use the SCSI drives as storage. Chris. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 14: 4:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6700237B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F137143E65 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6PL4Ym1000987; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:04:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PL4YwU000986; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:04:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:04:34 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Chris Brotherton Cc: Mike Cochran , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Will my machine run freeBSD? Message-ID: <20020725230434.A972@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com> <3D406582.5040700@evilelement.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D406582.5040700@evilelement.net>; from chris@evilelement.net on Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 02:54:26PM -0600 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 02:54:26PM -0600, Chris Brotherton wrote: > > > Mike Cochran wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > I have freebsd installed on an old intel machine, and I am enjoying > > working with the OS from a hobbyist's perspective. I'm kinda bored with > > x86 and want to pick up an old alphaserver. I have access to an older > > alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can > > pick up for VERY cheap. So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this > > unused alpha if possible. > > > > > > > > This alpha, which is basically an alphaserver 1200, originally shipped > > with NT and I'm sure it boots into alphabios. There is another version > > of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms that is called the > > 533au. > > > > > > > > My question is: Is there a setting in the firmware that allows you to > > choose between alphabios and srm? If not, can I update/change the > > firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to load the firmware > > that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or failing > > that, some other linux, as well? > > > > > > > > Any help would be very cool. This is a new area to me, I've never played > > around on these machines before, and I don't even have one in front of > > me to know if my question even makes sense. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > Mike, > > Many of the "a" series came with adaptec SCSI controllers. These > controllers cannot be booted from when using the SRM console (SRM is > required for FreeBSD). The "au" series came with Qlogic SCSI > controllers that are bootable. However, some of the newer "a" series > have Qlogic onboard SCSI controllers. These machines are easy to pick > out because they have USB. Long story short, if you have an adaptec > SCSI controller you will not be able to boot from it, but I have heard > it is possible to boot from an IDE drive and use the SCSI drives as storage. You are confusing a Personal Work Station (PWS aka Miata) with the Ultimate Workstation (UWS aka AlphaStation/Server 1200 aka Tincup). But you are right in the sense that it is very useful to check the system config for the SCSI HBA. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 14: 6:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2C737B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0A343E70 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.82.44.218] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.75 #2) id 17Xpof-0004Ig-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:06:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id B670A126 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5, from userid 80) id DB5D1423; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 192.168.0.26 ( [192.168.0.26]) as user jan@localhost by www-mail.lan with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:06:28 +0200 Message-ID: <1027631188.3d406854adcaa@www-mail.lan> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:06:28 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Will my machine run freeBSD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 / FreeBSD-4.6 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.0.26 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Zitat von Chris Brotherton : > SCSI controller you will not be able to boot from it, but I have heard > it is possible to boot from an IDE drive and use the SCSI drives as storage. That's exactly what I do on my PWS 500a with adaptec controller. I stuffed an 1GB IDE drive in it too boot off (/, /var & /tmp are on this disk) and everything else is on a 4GB and a 9GB SCSI disks. FreeBSD identifies the adaptec controller at boot - you just need something to boot off from. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 15:57: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0D937B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03A043E67 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wab@sbcglobal.net) Received: from VAIO (adsl-67-112-120-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.112.120.110]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6PMupa34496; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01bb01c2342e$ac46db60$6e787043@salamundi.com> Reply-To: "Mike Cochran" From: "Mike Cochran" To: "Wilko Bulte" , "Chris Brotherton" Cc: References: <00bc01c2341b$80c32830$6e787043@salamundi.com> <3D406582.5040700@evilelement.net> <20020725230434.A972@freebie.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Will my machine run freeBSD? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the input, everyone thus far on the string. Let me know if I'm still sending out html instead of 75 char asci. Certainly I have IDE drives sitting around. I also have a spare adaptec 29160 pci card and a few UW seagate scsi drives sitting around doing nothing. My main concern was making sure that either the existing firmware in these machines had a simple toggle to change into srm mode or that the firmware could be changed to the firmware used in the -au version. I don't want to be stuck with NT! Am I understanding you all correctly, that I should not worry about this? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilko Bulte" To: "Chris Brotherton" Cc: "Mike Cochran" ; Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Will my machine run freeBSD? On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 02:54:26PM -0600, Chris Brotherton wrote: > > > Mike Cochran wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > I have freebsd installed on an old intel machine, and I am enjoying > > working with the OS from a hobbyist's perspective. I'm kinda bored with > > x86 and want to pick up an old alphaserver. I have access to an older > > alpha machine, a (compaq) "Digital Ultimate Workstation 533a" that I can > > pick up for VERY cheap. So I'd like to try installing freeBSD on this > > unused alpha if possible. > > > > > > > > This alpha, which is basically an alphaserver 1200, originally shipped > > with NT and I'm sure it boots into alphabios. There is another version > > of the machine that shipped with digital unix or vms that is called the > > 533au. > > > > > > > > My question is: Is there a setting in the firmware that allows you to > > choose between alphabios and srm? If not, can I update/change the > > firmware on this "Digital alpha workstation 533a" to load the firmware > > that supports digital unix, and therefore possibly freeBSD or failing > > that, some other linux, as well? > > > > > > > > Any help would be very cool. This is a new area to me, I've never played > > around on these machines before, and I don't even have one in front of > > me to know if my question even makes sense. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > Mike, > > Many of the "a" series came with adaptec SCSI controllers. These > controllers cannot be booted from when using the SRM console (SRM is > required for FreeBSD). The "au" series came with Qlogic SCSI > controllers that are bootable. However, some of the newer "a" series > have Qlogic onboard SCSI controllers. These machines are easy to pick > out because they have USB. Long story short, if you have an adaptec > SCSI controller you will not be able to boot from it, but I have heard > it is possible to boot from an IDE drive and use the SCSI drives as storage. You are confusing a Personal Work Station (PWS aka Miata) with the Ultimate Workstation (UWS aka AlphaStation/Server 1200 aka Tincup). But you are right in the sense that it is very useful to check the system config for the SCSI HBA. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 25 22:44: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A4437B400; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901943E42; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6Q5hsm1002338; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:44:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q5hsqt002337; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:43:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:43:54 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha -STABLE snapshots are broken? Message-ID: <20020726074354.A2317@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:34:41PM +0300 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:34:41PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: Buildworld was OK: ===> etc/sendmail rm -f freebsd.cf (cd /usr/src/etc/sendmail && m4 -D_CF_DIR_=/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/ /usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4 freebsd.mc) > freebsd.cf chmod 444 freebsd.cf real 109m37.814s user 84m32.455s sys 15m26.753s ds10# I'm running a build release now Wilko > Hi! > > I have committed my cross-release patches to -STABLE today, > and Alpha snapshot build died with ENOSPC attempting to create > the kern.flp. Do you observe the same behavior with the native > snapshot build on Alpha? > > > Cheers, > -- > Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, > ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, > ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, > +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine > > http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 26 0:47:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983C737B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-24.dis.org [216.240.45.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EB343E3B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6Q7h1Po001249; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200207260743.g6Q7h1Po001249@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Martin Stanislav Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mylex dac960 controller In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:31:59 +0200." <20020717173159.D28159@sun.uakom.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:43:01 -0700 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'll try to be short. I've got here an older iron Alpha 4000 > with apparently an old mylex DAC960 RAID controller (attached > messages file holds more details). Alpha is running latest > stable 4.6 release (attached uname.txt show that). During disk > activity on mlxd0 mlx0 controller logs: > "mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive" > > I found your advice on freebsd-scsi > (http://spitfire.velocet.net/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2001-May/001116.html) > suggesting setting dsk->si_iosize_max to (8 * PAGE_SIZE) and > an explanation the problem's root might be non-page-aligned I/O > and the very limited scatter-gather these cards support. > > So I've build new kernel & modules applying the modification and > the log message seems to be gone. Don't know if all of the > problem the message refferes to neither how much performance > if any is gone away following the modification. Martin; thanks for testing this. If someone on the Alpha list wouldn't mind committing the change, I think we'd all be happy. > Another message stating > "mlx0: command failed - rebuild successfully terminated" > appeares in log while running 'mlxcontrol config mlx0'. > 'mlxcontrol status mlxd0' and 'mlxcontrol check mlxd0' are > running fine. However, mlxcontrol is a management utility > so the first log message is more of an issue I'd guess. I'm not sure where this could be coming from. Does it cause any problems? If not, I'd just put it down to funny firmware and not worry too much. > I hope I'm not repeating known facts or sending email to > wrong address. It's just 'cause of my effort to keep old > iron useful little longer. Not at all; I've been waiting literally years for someone to actually test that theory for me. Regards, Mike -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 26 6:22:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F36737B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0C343E31 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 16906 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDMTuR042506; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200207260743.g6Q7h1Po001249@mass.dis.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:22:38 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Michael Smith Subject: Re: mylex dac960 controller Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, Martin Stanislav Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Jul-2002 Michael Smith wrote: >> So I've build new kernel & modules applying the modification and >> the log message seems to be gone. Don't know if all of the >> problem the message refferes to neither how much performance >> if any is gone away following the modification. > > Martin; thanks for testing this. If someone on the Alpha list wouldn't > mind committing the change, I think we'd all be happy. --- mlx_disk.c 12 Sep 2001 08:37:08 -0000 1.22 +++ mlx_disk.c 26 Jul 2002 13:21:36 -0000 @@ -268,7 +268,11 @@ */ s1 = sc->mlxd_controller->mlx_enq2->me_maxblk * MLX_BLKSIZE; s2 = (sc->mlxd_controller->mlx_enq2->me_max_sg - 1) * PAGE_SIZE; +#if 1 + dsk->si_iosize_max = 8 * PAGE_SIZE; +#else dsk->si_iosize_max = imin(s1, s2); +#endif Mike, should this be #ifdef __alpha__ (is it Alpha only?) or does it depend on a certain revision of the card? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 26 13:41:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFCD37B400; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8423C43E31; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6QKfcm1003949; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:41:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QKfcTp003948; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:41:38 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha -STABLE snapshots are broken? Message-ID: <20020726224138.A3934@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020725193441.GA65110@sunbay.com> <20020726074354.A2317@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020726074354.A2317@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 07:43:54AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 07:43:54AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: Grr: Making the regular boot floppy. Compressing doc files... Copying if_txp.ko to /R/stage/mfsfd/stand/modules *** Error code 1 (ignored) sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh -s mfsroot /R/stage /mnt 4320 /R/stage/mfsfd 8000 auto vnconfig: cannot find or load "vn" kernel module vnconfig: /dev/rvnn0: Device not configured *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. [1]+ Done rm -rf ports (wd: /usr) (wd now: /usr/src) ds10# > On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:34:41PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Buildworld was OK: > > ===> etc/sendmail > rm -f freebsd.cf > (cd /usr/src/etc/sendmail && m4 > -D_CF_DIR_=/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/ > /usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4 freebsd.mc) > > freebsd.cf > chmod 444 freebsd.cf > > real 109m37.814s > user 84m32.455s > sys 15m26.753s > ds10# > > I'm running a build release now > > Wilko > > > Hi! > > > > I have committed my cross-release patches to -STABLE today, > > and Alpha snapshot build died with ENOSPC attempting to create > > the kern.flp. Do you observe the same behavior with the native > > snapshot build on Alpha? > > > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, > > ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, > > ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, > > +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine > > > > http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > > http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age > > > ---end of quoted text--- > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message