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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 4:49: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E239D37B400 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ho.com (vic-dial-196-30-233-7.mweb.co.za [196.30.233.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC1AC43E5E for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.@ho.com) From: "." <"l."@ho.com> To: Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:48:18 +0800 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020804114855.CC1AC43E5E@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 5:50:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C4A37B406 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E70E43E4A for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g74Co3JU025000 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g74Co3VS024999; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51AD37B400 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kain.sumuk.de (Kain.sumuk.de [213.221.86.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F055543E42 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vincent@Kain.sumuk.de) Received: from Kain.sumuk.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Kain.sumuk.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g74CfrFW047891 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:41:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from vincent@Kain.sumuk.de) Received: (from vincent@localhost) by Kain.sumuk.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g74Cfqwr047890; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200208041241.g74Cfqwr047890@Kain.sumuk.de> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:41:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Heinen Reply-To: Martin Heinen To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41311: [PATCH] mirrors/chapter.sgml contains an Umlaut Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41311 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] mirrors/chapter.sgml contains an Umlaut >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Aug 04 05:50:02 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Martin Heinen >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD Kain.sumuk.de 4.6-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE #0: Sun May 12 20:01:38 CEST 2002 toor@Kain.sumuk.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KAIN i386 >Description: ü -> ü >How-To-Repeat: Search for München in mirrors/chapter.sgml. >Fix: Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /u/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.227 diff -u -r1.227 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 4 Aug 2002 10:19:27 -0000 1.227 +++ chapter.sgml 4 Aug 2002 12:31:23 -0000 @@ -77,7 +77,7 @@
Hinner EDV St. Augustinus-Str. 10 - D-81825 München + D-81825 München Germany Phone: (089) 428 419 WWW: http://www.hinner.de/linux/freebsd.html >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 6:17:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0C937B400; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.com.br (200-205-210-34.dial-up.telesp.net.br [200.205.210.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5798743E5E; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ) From: "Portal de Clientes" Subject: Contato Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:56:02 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C23B30.328BFFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-Id: <20020804131746.5798743E5E@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; 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Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nerd@www.xyz.com) Received: (from nerd@localhost) by www.xyz.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74JFiYS033137; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208041915.g74JFiYS033137@www.xyz.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Galassi Reply-To: Michael Galassi To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: greg@codeconcepts.com X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41329: return value in man page for kldunload is incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41329 >Category: docs >Synopsis: return value in man page for kldunload is incorrect >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Aug 04 12:20:05 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Galassi >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: xyz.com >Environment: System: FreeBSD www.xyz.com 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0: Wed Jul 31 19:31:47 PDT 2002 root@www.xyz.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WWW i386 >Description: The manpage for kldunload(2) claims that the fileid of the formerly loaded module is returned when in reality a 0 is returned. >How-To-Repeat: man 2 kldunload >Fix: Replace the paragraph that reads: The function kldunload() returns the fileid of the kld file which was previously loaded into memory via kldload(). If an error occurs, kldunload() will return -1 and set errno to indicate the error. With: The function kldunload() on success. If an error occurs, kldunload() will return -1 and set errno to indicate the error. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 13:24:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BC037B401 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.cluster.oleane.net (smtp2.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3668F43E3B for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from ns1.entreview.com ([194.250.48.33]) by smtp2.cluster.oleane.net with ESMTP id g74KOFm60246 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:24:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (daemon.entreview.com [194.250.48.42]) by ns1.entreview.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g74K5eN30594 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:05:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74JBh0W067343 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:11:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74JBdY7067342 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:11:39 +0200 From: Christophe Juniet To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely wrote: > [PR docs/41106] Here is the little piece of work I've done so far. If it's what you expected, I'll send a PR when it's good enough. -- chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 16:50:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF49237B400 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2387043E4A for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgpuzz@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7941 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 23:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO li.grandknitting.com) ([64.81.201.239]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Aug 2002 23:50:21 -0000 Received: from 2s0t3mf6q9ddy8n([64.9.10.226]) by LI.GRANDKNITTING.COM (IBM OS/400 SMTP V04R05M00) with TCP; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:46:06 -0500 From: Òîðãîâûé Äîì To: "r" <> Subject: Ïîèñê ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé è ïîñòàâùèêîâ Reply-To: dgpuzz@yahoo.com X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:48:24 +0400 Message-Id: <20020804235022.2387043E4A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Åñëè Âû ÿâëÿåòåñü ïðîèçâîäèòåëåì èëè ïîñòàâùèêîì, è Âàøà ïðîäóêöèÿ ïðåäñòàâëÿåò èíòåðåñ (öåíà+êà÷åñòâî), òî ìû çàèíòåðåñîâåííû â ïðîäâèæåíèè Âàøåãî ïðîäóêòà ÷åðåç èíòåðíåò-ðåñóðñ Ïðåäëîæåíèÿ íàïðàâëÿéòå ïî ôàêñó: +7(095) 217-37-31 ÏÐÅÄËÎÆÅÍÈß ÍÀÏÐÀÂËÅÍÍÛÅ ÍÀ ÎÁÐÀÒÍÛÉ E-MAIL ÀÄÐÅÑ ÌÛ ÍÅ ÐÀÑÑÌÀÒÐÈÂÀÅÌ! [D101G99P80U105Z97Z95K80N86U90Q85S86F72E72X93O81N80U89P81] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 4 17: 2:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8EB37B400 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web21105.mail.yahoo.com (web21105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FD1D43E3B for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hitmaster2k@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020805000210.48508.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:02:10 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. To: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Christophe Juniet wrote: > Here is the little > piece of work I've done so far. If it's what you expected, I'll send a > PR when it's good enough. Hello Chris. A brief look through your (in-progress) article, I found the following information as outdated (afaik): --- 6.2 Browsers FreeBSD does not come with a particular browser pre-installed. Instead, the www ports collection contains a lot of browsers ready to be installed. If you don't have time to compile everything (this can be very long in some cases) many of them are available as packages. --- The FreeBSD Project does not provide X11 desktops as "packages" anymore. I am not sure if they are still provided on CD-ROMs or not. Everything else looks nice; it was only a brief look though. -- Hiten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 1:38:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A7C37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7AE543E3B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 5563 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from dsl-62-3-122-102.zen.co.uk (HELO eborcom.com) (62.3.122.102) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 08:38:35 -0000 X-Envelope-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: (qmail 36766 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Aug 2002 08:38:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:38:34 +0100 From: Tom Hukins To: Hiten Pandya Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805093834.A35950@eborcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Hukins , Hiten Pandya , Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805000210.48508.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020805000210.48508.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>; from hitmaster2k@yahoo.com on Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:02:10PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:02:10PM -0700, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > --- > 6.2 Browsers > FreeBSD does not come with a particular browser pre-installed. Instead, the > www ports collection contains a lot of browsers ready to be installed. If you > don't have time to compile everything (this can be very long in some cases) > many of them are available as packages. > --- > > The FreeBSD Project does not provide X11 desktops as "packages" anymore. I > am not sure if they are still provided on CD-ROMs or not. Everything else > looks nice; it was only a brief look though. Both X11 desktops and Web browsers are provided as packages. Hiten, I don't understand your comment: The excerpt of Chris's article above looks fine to me. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 2:18:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C47F37B405 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web21107.mail.yahoo.com (web21107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56DF143E5E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hitmaster2k@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020805091832.13654.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 02:18:32 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. To: Tom Hukins Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020805093834.A35950@eborcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Tom Hukins wrote: > Both X11 desktops and Web browsers are provided as packages. Hiten, I > don't understand your comment: The excerpt of Chris's article above > looks fine to me. Hmm, it is pretty weird. I recently tried to install Gnome2 from teh packages (on -current), via sysinstall, but darn thing didnt show it, none of the gnome stuff was on it; this was by FTP (ftp.FreeBSD.org). Please correct me if I am wrong. -- Hiten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 2:48:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0C237B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2B5643E5E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 19646 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 09:48:23 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 09:48:23 -0000 Received: from dsl-62-3-122-102.zen.co.uk (HELO eborcom.com) (62.3.122.102) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 09:48:23 -0000 X-Envelope-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: (qmail 37207 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Aug 2002 09:48:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:48:22 +0100 From: Tom Hukins To: Hiten Pandya Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805104822.A37189@eborcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Hukins , Hiten Pandya , Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20020805093834.A35950@eborcom.com> <20020805091832.13654.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805000210.48508.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020805000210.48508.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>; from hitmaster2k@yahoo.com on Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:02:10PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:02:10PM -0700, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > --- > 6.2 Browsers > FreeBSD does not come with a particular browser pre-installed. Instead, the > www ports collection contains a lot of browsers ready to be installed. If you > don't have time to compile everything (this can be very long in some cases) > many of them are available as packages. On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 02:18:32AM -0700, Hiten Pandya wrote: > --- Tom Hukins wrote: > > Both X11 desktops and Web browsers are provided as packages. Hiten, I > > don't understand your comment: The excerpt of Chris's article above > > looks fine to me. > > Hmm, it is pretty weird. I recently tried to install Gnome2 from teh > packages (on -current), via sysinstall, but darn thing didnt show it, none > of the gnome stuff was on it; this was by FTP (ftp.FreeBSD.org). Please > correct me if I am wrong. See /usr/ports/gnome2/Makefile: the "NO_BUILD" line prevents packages from building. I don't know why it's there, but I assume there's a good reason for it. Note, gnome2 only represents a small subset of X11 desktops. Also, Chris mentioned Web browsers, not X11 desktops, so I don't understand why you're raising this issue in response to his article. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 3:10:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454FB37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idoru.mine.nu (pc1-cdif1-5-cust192.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.3.216.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968A543E5E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@idoru.mine.nu) Received: from setantae by idoru.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17beoi-0000x7-00; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:10:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:10:24 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41253: config(8) and/or Handbook deficiency Message-ID: <20020805101024.GA3655@idoru.tenten> References: <200208020720.g727K4LR061796@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020802183635.A54849@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:59:51AM -0700, Rich Morin said: Hi Rich, > Perhaps I'm just confused. As it happens, I DO have the sources on my > FreeBSD machine, but I thought that (as in the case of SunOS) this was > not really necessary to configure a new kernel. In any case, when I > recently built a kernel, I didn't mess about in /usr/src at all. I > just used the /sys/i386/conf area, as suggested by the config(8) page: You can't build or reconfigure (though see below) a kernel without sources. > Hence, this is what I did: > > # cd /sys/i386/conf /sys is a symlink to /usr/src/sys (by default). We're not Solaris, but you can achieve somewhat similar things by making use of sysctls and /etc/sysctl.conf, and perhaps loader flags in /boot/loader.conf (I'm not sure where this is documented, as I can't get to a FreeBSD machine at the moment, but it's probably the manpage for loader). Ceri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 3:20:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B9E37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7564643E5E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g75AH7eb082676; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:17:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g75AH7K8082675; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:17:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:17:07 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Christophe Juniet Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com>; from cjuniet@entreview.com on Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 09:11:39PM +0200 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 09:11:39PM +0200, Christophe Juniet wrote: > Murray Stokely wrote: > > [PR docs/41106] > > Here is the little > piece of work I've done so far. If it's what you expected, I'll send a > PR when it's good enough. Very nice work. In reading your pages I thought about many things (I don't know if it's really important, but maybe some could be improvments): -Check the names of packages, from a 4.6-STABLE: pkg_add -rv linux-netscape6 pkg_add -rv AbiWord fail. Browser section: -Maybe you could tell that Opera is a commercial app :) and give the link to their website. -What about adding a little sentence giving name of light browsers like dillo, w3m and links...? Productivity section: -OpenOffice should replace StarOffice6, packages are available in many languages etc... -Maybe Koffice has his place in the section, as some apps like gnumeric, gnucash... -Maybe something about graphics apps like The Gimp for bitmaps and sketch, sodipodi and xfig for vectors could be interesting too Viewers, players section: -Tell what acroread version pkg_add installs -xpdf is a light and efficient pdf viewer too -You could add a link to video players section of multimedia chapter and to mp3 section in the same chapter. -What about adding some images viewers like gqview, xzgv etc...? Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, evolution etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer without thinking about sending mails :) I'm sure you already thought about most of my remarks. In fact I have only one word to say: "Continue!" :)) Good luck, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 3:29:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696F337B41A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web21105.mail.yahoo.com (web21105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E163F43E70 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hitmaster2k@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020805102903.19621.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 03:29:03 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. To: Tom Hukins Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020805104822.A37189@eborcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Tom Hukins wrote: > See /usr/ports/gnome2/Makefile: the "NO_BUILD" line prevents packages > from building. I don't know why it's there, but I assume there's a > good reason for it. Note, gnome2 only represents a small subset of > X11 desktops. > > Also, Chris mentioned Web browsers, not X11 desktops, so I don't > understand why you're raising this issue in response to his article. My bad. Apologies. I like the article, it r.o.c.k.s :-) -- Hiten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 4: 0:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F4A37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.uni-c.dk (mx.uni-c.dk [130.228.5.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E89E43E4A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicolai.ernst@uni-c.dk) Received: (qmail 9446 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 11:00:40 -0000 Received: from mail.ssi.uni-c.dk (130.228.9.171) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 11:00:40 -0000 Received: from mail.ssi.uni-c.dk (mail.ssi.uni-c.dk [172.16.201.20]) by mail.ssi.uni-c.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFC9E18F for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:35:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:35:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicolai Ernst To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Small correction (typo) to FreeBSD Porter's Handbook. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. In paragraf 2.2.1 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/x56.html), you state that "The comment should begin with a capital, and end without a period. But in the example there is no period. :-) -- Best regards Nicolai Ernst To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 4: 3:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E06837B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idoru.mine.nu (pc1-cdif1-5-cust192.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.3.216.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77743E42 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@idoru.mine.nu) Received: from setantae by idoru.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17bfeH-0000yZ-00; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:03:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:03:41 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Nicolai Ernst Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small correction (typo) to FreeBSD Porter's Handbook. Message-ID: <20020805110341.GA3748@idoru.tenten> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:35:12PM +0200, Nicolai Ernst said: > Hello. > > In paragraf 2.2.1 > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/x56.html), > you state that "The comment should begin with a capital, and end without a > period. But in the example there is no period. :-) That's what "without a period" means. Thanks for your time anyway ;) Ceri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 4:51: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6B837B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.cluster.oleane.net (smtp4.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B864043E3B; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from ns1.entreview.com ([194.250.48.33]) by smtp4.cluster.oleane.net with ESMTP id g75Bp0419697; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (daemon.entreview.com [194.250.48.42]) by ns1.entreview.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75Bp7C32651; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:51:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Bp33c068647; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:51:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Bp30p068646; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:51:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:51:03 +0200 From: Christophe Juniet To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805115103.GA68612@daemon.entreview.com> References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:17:07PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > -Check the names of packages, from a 4.6-STABLE: > pkg_add -rv linux-netscape6 > pkg_add -rv AbiWord > fail. I was not sure about these ones. I have a 4.5-RELEASE, a 4.6-STABLE and a -CURRENT boxes and many package names have changed. What is the Right Way to do this in the Handbook, should it refer to the last ports tree or should I put s like I did with Acrobat ? > Browser section: > -What about adding a little sentence giving name of light browsers like > dillo, w3m and links...? Well, in fact I tried to focus on a 'new user from a well known OS' point of view. So I speak basically of existing apps on Windows or MacOS. Maybe I misread pr/41106 but I don't think a newbie would like to use w3m instead of Mozilla (despite the fact I often do :) > Productivity section: > -Maybe Koffice has his place in the section, as some apps like gnumeric, > gnucash... I tried not to refer to KDE or GNOME apps since they aim to be complete desktop. Maybe they deserve their own section ? > I'm sure you already thought about most of my remarks. and I totally agree with the new ones you brought up to me. Thanks for your feedback! -- chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 5:40:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDF537B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13C043E3B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g75CbYeb083371; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:37:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g75CbXc7083370; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:37:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:37:33 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Christophe Juniet Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805143733.A82972@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <20020805115103.GA68612@daemon.entreview.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020805115103.GA68612@daemon.entreview.com>; from cjuniet@entreview.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 01:51:03PM +0200 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Christophe Juniet wrote: > On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:17:07PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > -Check the names of packages, from a 4.6-STABLE: > > pkg_add -rv linux-netscape6 > > pkg_add -rv AbiWord > > fail. > > I was not sure about these ones. I have a 4.5-RELEASE, a 4.6-STABLE and a > -CURRENT boxes and many package names have changed. What is the Right > Way to do this in the Handbook, should it refer to the last ports tree or > should I put s like I did with Acrobat ? > In fact, you have to be sure people are not going to *spam* a list telling that "pkg_add -r AbiWord from the Handbook" is not working. So you should point them to a working solution: the ports. But maybe the missing packages are going to be available soon... And, while we are on a ports/package problem, what about adding a: Before reading this chapter, you should: Know how to install additional third-party software (Chapter 4). > > Browser section: > > -What about adding a little sentence giving name of light browsers like > > dillo, w3m and links...? > > Well, in fact I tried to focus on a 'new user from a well known OS' point > of view. So I speak basically of existing apps on Windows or MacOS. > Maybe I misread pr/41106 but I don't think a newbie would like to use w3m > instead of Mozilla (despite the fact I often do :) > You are totally right. > > Productivity section: > > -Maybe Koffice has his place in the section, as some apps like gnumeric, > > gnucash... > > I tried not to refer to KDE or GNOME apps since they aim to be complete > desktop. Maybe they deserve their own section ? I don't know on that point. I saw many people using Koffice without using KDE as environment, it's why I thought about Koffice. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 6:14:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45F37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A1F43E65; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75DEr902958; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75DEr225931; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75DEoo25924; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:14:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7A4A.6080307@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:14:50 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <20020805115103.GA68612@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805143733.A82972@abigail.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Fonvieille wrote: >>>Productivity section: >>>-Maybe Koffice has his place in the section, as some apps like gnumeric, >>>gnucash... >>> >>I tried not to refer to KDE or GNOME apps since they aim to be complete >>desktop. Maybe they deserve their own section ? >> > > I don't know on that point. I saw many people using Koffice without > using KDE as environment, it's why I thought about Koffice. I am one of those people. I often use Konqueror and other K* stuff, but I use fluxbox as my window manager. Actually, I always am mix-n-matching this stuff. :) Also, maybe add a small blurb about how to set up acroread in netscape to automatically display pdf's. Possibly the same with realplayer. What about xlock? Most people want to lock their desktops when they leave, or after a short time frame. Also, not nearly as important, but would be a popular "Desktop" app, instant messenging? My $.04 (inflation) Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 6:54: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE84837B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0801443E6A; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16226; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:53:54 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA15753; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051353.GAA15753@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3D4E7A4A.6080307@centtech.com> (message from Eric Anderson on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:14:50 -0500) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think the port descriptions are underserved by pkg-descr. I think the typical experience is to read a pkg-descr, visit the homepage and check it out (screenshots, etc) then make, and then see if the out-of-the-box install can be made to work like you want quickly, and then deinstalling or keeping it. With all of this, how is a newbie supposed to figure out that emacs is God's text editor, if he/she didn't already know it? :) A lot of us have found our own port-gems, setups which work well for us, that we unwittingly became experts at configuring. A chapter on desktop apps can cover some of this, but not all the many permutations of what's available. As opposed to Mac or Win, Unices come with a sometimes overwhelming set of options and mixing and matching with perhaps some kludges to integrate them is the norm. I might be the minority, but I think this is a good thing, and our apps documentation should reflect this. We should really do something different than the 1-solution fits all style of win and mac for desktops. A description of Gnome and KDE and getting around them is great and needed, but for the other apps: mp3 players, cd players, mpeg players, and so on I think it would be better to have something stand-alone, where a user, who has wrestled with getting such things to work and work well, can give an intro to a user. Example: I wrestled with mplayer, I fought with the docs, and I finally got it working well, and now I love it, and I'd like to tell people how to set it up with less pain than I had, if I had the forum. If we had a 'port testimonials' area, which was fairly free form and allowed each one of us to talk about how to get the most from kword, abiword, openoffice, or whatever depending on which one each of us lived in, then that would be more beneficial to the newbie. I think it would be fun for all of us to share our experiences with our fav ports. The closest thing we have right now, is the 'trawling the ports collection' series by Greg Lehey at ezine.daemonnews.org. But he's one guy, writing monthly, and he doesn't always even have the time to really trick out the programs he tries. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 7:16:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2225837B401; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221F743E70; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75EG7904353; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75EG7729016; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75EG3o29009; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4E88A3.8060401@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:16:03 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Lippert Cc: blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051353.GAA15753@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ross, I think this is a great idea. I thought of something similar to this not too long ago, and was going to set up a web site with some of this on it (although you painted a much clearer picture than what I had imagined). I'd also be interested in rating ports, based on ease of use, installation, difficulty level, etc. Now, should this be a freebsd.org thing, or a "third party" site? I think it might be important to have freebsd.org officially unbiased, so maybe a third party site that freebsd.org points to would be a better idea? Eric Ross Lippert wrote: > We should really do something different than the 1-solution fits all > style of win and mac for desktops. A description of Gnome and KDE and > getting around them is great and needed, but for the other apps: mp3 > players, cd players, mpeg players, and so on I think it would be > better to have something stand-alone, where a user, who has wrestled > with getting such things to work and work well, can give an intro to a > user. > > Example: > I wrestled with mplayer, I fought with the docs, and I finally got it > working well, and now I love it, and I'd like to tell people how to > set it up with less pain than I had, if I had the forum. > > If we had a 'port testimonials' area, which was fairly free form and > allowed each one of us to talk about how to get the most from kword, > abiword, openoffice, or whatever depending on which one each of us > lived in, then that would be more beneficial to the newbie. I think it > would be fun for all of us to share our experiences with our fav ports. > > The closest thing we have right now, is the 'trawling the ports > collection' series by Greg Lehey at ezine.daemonnews.org. But he's > one guy, writing monthly, and he doesn't always even have the time to > really trick out the programs he tries. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 7:19: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0616137B401; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E767143E70; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Received: from pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-231-94.zoominternet.net [24.154.231.94]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EJ26a018055; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:19:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Message-ID: <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:21:54 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: darklogik@pittgoth.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, evolution > etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer without thinking > about sending mails :) Using email clients (MUA's) will be its own chapter all togeather, which is already a PR in which I've taken ;) If you wish to help me with it, just let me know and I'll inform you about what needs worked over ;) Thanks! -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.Pittgoth.com Gothic Discussion Forum www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve trhodes@ {Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 7:55:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EAF37B401; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC1A43E70; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07667; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:55:38 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA18220; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3D4E88A3.8060401@centtech.com> (message from Eric Anderson on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:16:03 -0500) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is the issue of bias when if comes to apps, certainly. One of the reasons there are so many configurations to chose from is because there are so many biases out ther, one per person ('cept for clones, I guess). FreeBSD let's you have your bias, and that's about freedom. But the price of freedom is sometimes not knowing what to do with all of it, and wanting to look to what other people do -- role models, in a sense. How often it is that we learn cool unix tricks by sitting next to someone as they do something we never thought of or didn't know. I'm not sure I'd be psyched about ratings. Too often something gets a bad rating because the reviewer didn't know how to use it (e.g. mplayer often gets bad reviews because people try to use the gui, which sucks compared to xine and the rest). I think anyone writing a port-testimonial should LOVE the port they are testifying to, or at least find it to be the best thing for them. I would not trust configure and howto information from anyone who was not totally enamored with their subject, but was just covering it as some sort of round-up of similar apps. Conversely, we should avoid flame-wars, I think reviews can sometimes be offensive if too negative, esp if that negativity is misguided (and it is rare that someone knows enough about something to be able to intelligently convince you to not like it). It creates bad blood. But some amount of review is just de-facto by presense or absense. For example, if I don't see any emacs testimonials I can, 1) newbie: assume there is no love, and maybe I don't want to try it 2) user/lover: correct the lack of love by writing my own testimonial and standing up for my favorite editor. I'm more a fan of diaries, where someone says "I did something neat, here is what it looks like, here's howto", and perhaps someone writes back and says "here's a neater way to do it". I'm not envisioning a diary here, but I am thinking about something which is unashamedly personally biased. It is important to maintain some standards, maybe docproj styles articles. You must not just love the app but love writing good documentation and have a willingness to maintain what you write and maybe combine it with other stuff. There was some discussion about a "multimedia" chapter which I started writing a few months ago (recall my mplayer example). Feedback I got from it indicated that if one starts off with a "multimedia" type chapter, then one is basically talking about ports and how to use them, and where and how that belongs in the handbook is controversial. Probably right. But I still can't help the urge to want to trumpet this and other video apps I came to enjoy. Since we are proposing an experiment, and since the contents will be biased (in either review or testimonial form), perhaps we should start by putting up little articles on our own homepages, and convincing others on doc to do so, make september the "write about your fav app month". We can submit URLs to be linked to from FreeBSD.org, and if it takes off and we end up with an explosion of articles (say by January or else assume we failed), we move to phase II, which necessarily involves more indexing and organization, perhaps more automated feedback to authors. If momentum keeps up, I don't see why it could not be made part of freebsd.org or the /usr/doc as long as a big fat disclaimer for bias is present. Not to mention that if this experiment ever becomes "official" we can ask people involved in projects or port-maintainers if they wouldn't mind jotting down some power-user notes on their apps. How does that sound to you? Oh another source for "good ports" info: I think bsdtoday.org has some howto's on it for things like VMWare and stuff, but I'm sure it is just an archive with no one maintaining it -- yet it remains my first resource for setting up VMWare, I know no other. There should be another. -r >Ross, I think this is a great idea. I thought of something similar to this not >too long ago, and was going to set up a web site with some of this on it >(although you painted a much clearer picture than what I had imagined). I'd >also be interested in rating ports, based on ease of use, installation, >difficulty level, etc. Now, should this be a freebsd.org thing, or a "third >party" site? I think it might be important to have freebsd.org officially >unbiased, so maybe a third party site that freebsd.org points to would be a >better idea? > >Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 8:41: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712AC37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C0643E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75Fex906612; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:40:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75Fexg05811; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:40:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75Feuo05804; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:40:56 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Lippert Cc: blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great points! I totally agree. Instead of having everyone scripting their own html on pages randomly across the net, why don't we do something like this: Make a website with a "db" backend (no SQL of course, just plain and simple) for the "Port Mongers" or whatever to go to, fill in their information about a particular port, their experience, love, etc. They submit it, and a small number of people "moderate" it - now don't get excited about that word. What I mean by that is, basically read it and check for things like typos, spelling, simple grammer mistakes, etc, prior to "committing" it - something similar to the FreeBSD committers system already tried and tested. Then, all ports info will be in one place, with a common look/feel, and can be updated by the originator if need be. How does that sound? If it sounds like the right path, I can whip this up and get us started. Eric Ross Lippert wrote: [..snip..] > I'm more a fan of diaries, where someone says "I did something neat, > here is what it looks like, here's howto", and perhaps someone writes > back and says "here's a neater way to do it". I'm not envisioning a > diary here, but I am thinking about something which is unashamedly > personally biased. > > It is important to maintain some standards, maybe docproj styles > articles. You must not just love the app but love writing good > documentation and have a willingness to maintain what you write and > maybe combine it with other stuff. > > There was some discussion about a "multimedia" chapter which I started > writing a few months ago (recall my mplayer example). Feedback I got from > it indicated that if one starts off with a "multimedia" type chapter, then > one is basically talking about ports and how to use them, and where and > how that belongs in the handbook is controversial. Probably right. But > I still can't help the urge to want to trumpet this and other video apps > I came to enjoy. > > Since we are proposing an experiment, and since the contents will be > biased (in either review or testimonial form), perhaps we should start > by putting up little articles on our own homepages, and convincing > others on doc to do so, make september the "write about your fav app > month". We can submit URLs to be linked to from FreeBSD.org, and if > it takes off and we end up with an explosion of articles (say by > January or else assume we failed), we move to phase II, which > necessarily involves more indexing and organization, perhaps more > automated feedback to authors. If momentum keeps up, I don't see why > it could not be made part of freebsd.org or the /usr/doc as long as a > big fat disclaimer for bias is present. Not to mention that if this > experiment ever becomes "official" we can ask people involved in projects > or port-maintainers if they wouldn't mind jotting down some power-user > notes on their apps. > > How does that sound to you? > > Oh another source for "good ports" info: > I think bsdtoday.org has some howto's on it for things like VMWare and > stuff, but I'm sure it is just an archive with no one maintaining it > -- yet it remains my first resource for setting up VMWare, I know no > other. There should be another. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 8:49:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD67C37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A104543E4A; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75Fnb906855; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:49:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75FnbO06323; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:49:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75FnYo06316; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:49:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:49:34 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darklogik@pittgoth.com Cc: Ross Lippert , blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes wrote: > > It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port > committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, along > with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the ports they > Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) > > Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they > already are :P WO! I'm not suggesting the ports committers would do this in addition! I'm suggesting we have separate volunteers for this function - basically, anyone can submit a "port review", and there would be a small number of people actually committing the port reviews to the site. There are 7000 ports, that are maintained, committed, etc, by how many port committers? I'm certain that not all would be reviewed (although that would be nice), and that committing a review would not be as time consuming as tracking a port itself, so I don't think it would require that many people to "commit" the port reviews. I'm of course offering to do it. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 8:53:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF3337B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124043E3B; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Received: from pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-231-94.zoominternet.net [24.154.231.94]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FiP6a034505; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Message-ID: <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:47:18 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: darklogik@pittgoth.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: Ross Lippert , blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson wrote: > Great points! I totally agree. Instead of having everyone scripting > their own html on pages randomly across the net, why don't we do > something like this: > Make a website with a "db" backend (no SQL of course, just plain and > simple) for the "Port Mongers" or whatever to go to, fill in their > information about a particular port, their experience, love, etc. They > submit it, and a small number of people "moderate" it - now don't get > excited about that word. What I mean by that is, basically read it and > check for things like typos, spelling, simple grammer mistakes, etc, > prior to "committing" it - something similar to the FreeBSD committers > system already tried and tested. Then, all ports info will be in one > place, with a common look/feel, and can be updated by the originator if > need be. > > How does that sound? If it sounds like the right path, I can whip this > up and get us started. > > Eric > > > Ross Lippert wrote: > > [..snip..] > >> I'm more a fan of diaries, where someone says "I did something neat, >> here is what it looks like, here's howto", and perhaps someone writes >> back and says "here's a neater way to do it". I'm not envisioning a >> diary here, but I am thinking about something which is unashamedly >> personally biased. >> >> It is important to maintain some standards, maybe docproj styles >> articles. You must not just love the app but love writing good >> documentation and have a willingness to maintain what you write and >> maybe combine it with other stuff. >> >> There was some discussion about a "multimedia" chapter which I started >> writing a few months ago (recall my mplayer example). Feedback I got >> from >> it indicated that if one starts off with a "multimedia" type chapter, >> then >> one is basically talking about ports and how to use them, and where and >> how that belongs in the handbook is controversial. Probably right. But >> I still can't help the urge to want to trumpet this and other video apps >> I came to enjoy. >> >> Since we are proposing an experiment, and since the contents will be >> biased (in either review or testimonial form), perhaps we should start >> by putting up little articles on our own homepages, and convincing >> others on doc to do so, make september the "write about your fav app >> month". We can submit URLs to be linked to from FreeBSD.org, and if >> it takes off and we end up with an explosion of articles (say by >> January or else assume we failed), we move to phase II, which >> necessarily involves more indexing and organization, perhaps more >> automated feedback to authors. If momentum keeps up, I don't see why >> it could not be made part of freebsd.org or the /usr/doc as long as a >> big fat disclaimer for bias is present. Not to mention that if this >> experiment ever becomes "official" we can ask people involved in projects >> or port-maintainers if they wouldn't mind jotting down some power-user >> notes on their apps. >> >> How does that sound to you? >> >> Oh another source for "good ports" info: I think bsdtoday.org has some >> howto's on it for things like VMWare and >> stuff, but I'm sure it is just an archive with no one maintaining it >> -- yet it remains my first resource for setting up VMWare, I know no >> other. There should be another. >> > > > It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, along with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the ports they Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they already are :P -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.Pittgoth.com Gothic Discussion Forum www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve trhodes@ {Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 9:11:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FF037B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D074643E4A; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Received: from pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-231-94.zoominternet.net [24.154.231.94]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GBV6a035468; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:11:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Message-ID: <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:14:25 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: darklogik@pittgoth.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: Ross Lippert , blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > >> >> It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port >> committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, along >> with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the ports they >> Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) >> >> Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they >> already are :P > > > > WO! I'm not suggesting the ports committers would do this in addition! > I'm suggesting we have separate volunteers for this function - > basically, anyone can submit a "port review", and there would be a small > number of people actually committing the port reviews to the site. > There are 7000 ports, that are maintained, committed, etc, by how many > port committers? I'm certain that not all would be reviewed (although > that would be nice), and that committing a review would not be as time > consuming as tracking a port itself, so I don't think it would require > that many people to "commit" the port reviews. I'm of course offering > to do it. > > Eric > > > The idea isn't bad, but it should be seperate from the FreeBSD project, mainly because I dislike good/bad reviews of third party software on the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or not, it doesn't look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but its a good idea as long as its kept seperate from the main project ;) Thats my .02 hehe -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.Pittgoth.com Gothic Discussion Forum www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve trhodes@ {Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 9:23:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7152937B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.datanet.hu (mx2.datanet.hu [194.149.13.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ADD43E6A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-1093.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.92.77]) by mx2.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id 2AE2358CE for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GNCqI002221 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:23:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GNCTa002220 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:23:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:23:11 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805162311.GA2071@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D4E7A4A.6080307@centtech.com> <200208051353.GAA15753@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200208051353.GAA15753@eskimo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 06:53:54AM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: > If we had a 'port testimonials' area, which was fairly free form and > allowed each one of us to talk about how to get the most from kword, > abiword, openoffice, or whatever depending on which one each of us > lived in, then that would be more beneficial to the newbie. I think it > would be fun for all of us to share our experiences with our fav ports. I think this is a good idea. But on the other hand, this is not something that needs to be part of the official documentation, for a number of reasons. First is the bias, but this has already been discussed. Unfortunately, there is a "gently guiding towards the mainstream" effect in any event, since people generally tend to try apps base don others' recommendations when they are newbies and if they work they stick. (Because, ideally, computers are tools that you use to reach a certain aim, not an end in themselves) But if you use a mainstream app, chances are high that should you need help, you will find it. So, from a beginners point of view, this is a good thing. This takes us to the Second reason: Since writing up your experience in this way is entirely voluntary, there would be a wild variation of what would be and what wouldn't be covered. In somne categories, several apps would have almost equal coverage (whisper from the backroom: editor warssss) but in other categories, it would basically say: "use this app" and get done with it. Some categories would have no coverage at all since not many people use it. (and none of them bothered to do a writeup for us, saving it perhaps to a more professional audience) This would distort the picture needlessly: while we have over 6500 ports at present, only a fraction would even get a space in the limelight. Third reason: Maintenance. Even if you are very knowledgeable about an app, you can only tell the user about your experience with a particular version (or perhaps, some perspective on history). This very quickly becomes out-of-date. This even happens with FreeBSD itself: we are constantly on the lookout for sections of the documentation that are antiquated, yet they still get through. Any description, tips and tricks, and recommendations that you give in such a review may be outdated with the next version. To bring a FreeBSD example: under 3.x, the proper way to initialize your (ISA)PnP devices from the loader was one of the "tools of the trade" that was not documented well or at all yet it might have made the difference between a system that worked or that locked up upon the first boot. It even was a good method of disabling on-board components in favor of other hardware even if the BIOS did not support this, but I disgress. Today, this knowledge is pretty much useless. If you wrote up a review at that time passing on this (then) important piece of information and failed to maintain it, people might still judge FreeBSD by this and at the same time wondered why the trick didn't work any more. Apps that are in use in several differing major revisions (think bind 4.x, 8.x and 9.x) only make the matter worse. > The closest thing we have right now, is the 'trawling the ports > collection' series by Greg Lehey at ezine.daemonnews.org. But he's > one guy, writing monthly, and he doesn't always even have the time to > really trick out the programs he tries. Therefore I suggest that any such experience be gathered in a sort of diary, with exact version numbers and dates so that people could at once see what they are dealing with. Also, I have seen several "independent" FreeBSD sites spring up and then fade into oblivion during the years of hanging around this cornershop called "the FreeBSD project". This is normal since "one-man-shows" while a great ego-booster at first and good fun, may quickly grow unwieldy or take the back seat behind other aspect of an individual's life, if not get booted off the car altogether when they become inconvenient. (a typical example of this is the person leaving college/university) There is nothing more sad than a link page with dead links to non-existing pages or texts that are only gathering dust. This is why somebody once said on a FreeBSD mailing list (perhaps on -advocacy) that anybody offering documentation "independently" on their site without submitting it properly to the The FreeBSD Documentation Project and asking for a link should be compelled to maintain the availability of the URL for no less than 10 years from the date of submittal in order for the link to make any sense. While this may be a bit over the hump, you get the idea. Once a link is set, people generally don't care if it is alive. Therefore, I think that any such writeups should be submitted to outlets that have already proven themselves over time. One of these is DaemonNews, they are always on the look-out for articles. Not only Greg Lehey can write about his favorite ports, you can too. Submit it to articles@daemonnews.org and before you know, you could become a regular contributor! The DN site has an archive of all issues of the ezine ever published, so articles do not get lost and people can always see on what date they were current. The other such outlet is the FreeBSD Diary. (http://www.freebsddiary.org/). It has an astonishing number of articles that were gathered over time all searchable and available on-line. Although it started out as a one-person diary, there nothing preventing somebody to submit articles of their own. The advantage is that it does not have to be as polished as a newspaper article and may be more practically oriented (how-to style). The other advantage is that there is an opportunity for you to comment on the articles of others, so that you can tell how it could be done better. The comments appear at the bottom of the articles. Again, all articles have a date, so you can make a judgement about their currentness at the time of reading. So I would encourage everybody who has stories to tell here and now not to start yet another great-looking and dead in a year BSD site, but rather use these and other established outlets of the community which already offer what you just though about and perhaps more. Instead of linking dozens of one-page once-in-a-livetime :-) writeups it is also easier for the project to only link to these outlets and be confident that the links are helpful. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 9:40:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D600537B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E49043E4A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g75GdTeb084439; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:39:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g75GdSVj084438; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:39:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:39:28 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ross Lippert Cc: anderson@centtech.com, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805183928.B82972@abigail.blackend.org> References: <3D4E88A3.8060401@centtech.com> <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com>; from ripper@eskimo.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 07:55:38AM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 07:55:38AM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: [...] > Since we are proposing an experiment, and since the contents will be > biased (in either review or testimonial form), perhaps we should start > by putting up little articles on our own homepages, and convincing > others on doc to do so, make september the "write about your fav app > month". We can submit URLs to be linked to from FreeBSD.org, and if > it takes off and we end up with an explosion of articles (say by > January or else assume we failed), we move to phase II, which > necessarily involves more indexing and organization, perhaps more > automated feedback to authors. If momentum keeps up, I don't see why > it could not be made part of freebsd.org or the /usr/doc as long as a > big fat disclaimer for bias is present. Not to mention that if this > experiment ever becomes "official" we can ask people involved in projects > or port-maintainers if they wouldn't mind jotting down some power-user > notes on their apps. > Is it the role of The FreeBSD Project to provide docs about third party applications that are not FreeBSD specific? Does a doc about mutt has his place in FreeBSD's docs? Ports give a link to the application homepage, it's already a good start to find doc, and install the documentation pages (manual pages and other info files). > How does that sound to you? When the use/configuration of the app is really FreeBSD specific, for me, it deserves a specific doc when the author of the app does not provide it, and does not support FreeBSD. It was done for many commercial apps coming with Linux binaries for example. > > Oh another source for "good ports" info: > I think bsdtoday.org has some howto's on it for things like VMWare and > stuff, but I'm sure it is just an archive with no one maintaining it > -- yet it remains my first resource for setting up VMWare, I know no > other. There should be another. > It's an example of application that needs a "FreeBSD doc". I wrote in past for the FreeBSDZine a doc about VMware2 and I can affirm it was 99% of FreeBSD specific informations. There is a site that publishes docs about FreeBSD and about use of some applications, with a possible feedback to authors, it's http://www.freebsddiary.org/. The owner of that site runs http://freshports.org/ too. Maybe something is possible about extra docs on ports apps etc. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 10:32:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D6937B405; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9289B43E72; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (tom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g75H4fJU024201; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from tom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g75H4ffK024197; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Hukins Message-Id: <200208051704.g75H4ffK024197@freefall.freebsd.org> To: tom@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/41149: fix lukemftpd man page: /etc/nologin -> /var/run/nologin Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fix lukemftpd man page: /etc/nologin -> /var/run/nologin Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: tom Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 5 10:03:14 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is a documentation bug http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=41149 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 10:33:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6837B419; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783443F65; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19482; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:12 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA26314; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051733.KAA26314@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> (message from Eric Anderson on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:40:56 -0500) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not cringing at the concept of 'moderation'. At the very least you don't want spam to creep in or some other abuse (I'd hate for someone with a chip on their shoulder to submit a "why kword sucks" article), and more, there will probably be some need to edit a little for language and tags. I like "Port Mongers", as in "I'm a port monger for kde". It's cute. > the "Port Mongers" or whatever to go to, fill in their information about a >particular port, their experience, love, etc. They submit it, and a small I hope we can do something that has the look of docbook in the output. I think the general handbook conventions for tagging filenames versus commands versus anything else, and even putting href's is good style for many reasons. But if it is more convenient to start off with html, suppose, that's fine with me (except maybe a maintenance problem down the road). >How does that sound? If it sounds like the right path, I can whip this up and >get us started. Sounds good. I'll be on travel much of this week, but I'd probably start submitting next week if it were up. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 10:41: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39ED37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EA843E42; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23139; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:41:01 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA26883; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051741.KAA26883@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: darklogik@pittgoth.com Cc: anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> (message from Tom Rhodes on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:47:18 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port >committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, along Well, if every port was going to be mongered, then I'd agree. But what we're talking about here is a forum for people who use their ports and like some of those ports a lot to be able to give other users tips to how to get maximum benefit from them. I think part of the strength is that not all ports will be mongered. This lets other people know that the port has no love. And yes, versions do change, so the mongerings might become dated and broken, and maybe moderators must occassionally call upon the original authors to "fix it or it gets removed". I think a broken monger article, even if left in the mix, would be perceived as a lack of love. Say I want to try a port out, but he monger article is old, and worse yet, I follow its instructions and they don't work. Well, that tells me that whoever loves it doesn't love it enough to keep it up to date. >with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the ports they >Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) And this is a great thing and I appreciate them for that, and would not want them to have to take on anything more. I'm thinking more that the next time say, Greg Lehey writes a "trawling the ports collection" article, he might want to spend a couple minutes submitting a port-monger article (assuming he finds a port he feels is a real gem). >Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they >already are :P Probably the biggest danger is unwanted email to the mongers to do more than maintain their article, like fielding all sorts of questions best answered on the developer's list. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 10:44:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE2A37B401; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD4043E77; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24824; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:44:24 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA27096; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051744.KAA27096@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: darklogik@pittgoth.com Cc: anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> (message from Tom Rhodes on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:14:25 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or not, it doesn't >look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but its a good idea as >long as its kept seperate from the main project ;) Thats my .02 hehe I'd like at least a link from the main site, but otherwise, I think it is not unreasonable to keep the freebsd.org site as neutral as possible. Certainly it would look very bad if this turned into a fiasco of flames and then all this dirty laundry sites on the main site. We should revisit the inclusion in freebsd.org if this collection becomes really helpful. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 11: 0:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6CA37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6018B43E3B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g75I0OJU034016 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g75I0N1O034004 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051800.g75I0N1O034004@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/09] docs/35723 doc le(4) page doesn't warn about likely syst 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R o [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/04/01] docs/36642 doc 4.5 man page on ipfw new option limit is o [2002/04/12] docs/37029 doc The translation in Italian language of th o [2002/05/04] docs/37759 doc 'make libraries' in the Handbook o [2002/05/06] docs/37791 doc Screenshots don't show up on paper when p o [2002/07/21] docs/40841 doc the PPP primer gives a very wrong ppp.con 11 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/13] docs/30556 doc vnconfig man page incorrect; functionalit o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect a [2001/10/14] docs/31271 doc rl(4) discourages vender openness by disp o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables a [2001/11/16] docs/32041 doc Add point about net.inet.tcp.portange.{fi o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output s [2001/12/07] docs/32578 doc A _really_ petty change to the front page o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/02/01] docs/34529 doc [patch] Grammar nits in usbd.conf(5) and o [2002/02/03] docs/34577 doc Some man pages still advise using "confli o [2002/02/04] docs/34626 doc Copyright on "Index of /mail/current" pag o [2002/02/05] docs/34654 doc Update UIDs for porters handbook o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/24] docs/35280 doc [PATCH] null-modem cable pinout in 'Seria o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/02/27] docs/35378 doc Handbook has inaccurate description of f o [2002/02/28] docs/35436 doc PAO isn't very latest-and-greatest these o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 11: 1:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECD037B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C35943E5E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA32630; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:44 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA28126; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051801.LAA28126@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: sziszi@bsd.hu Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020805162311.GA2071@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> (message from Szilveszter Adam on Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:23:11 +0200) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Some categories would have no coverage at all since not many people use >it. (and none of them bothered to do a writeup for us, saving it perhaps >to a more professional audience) This would distort the picture >needlessly: while we have over 6500 ports at present, only a fraction >would even get a space in the limelight. I would argue that the picture is currently distorted. My example is three ports, xmcd, xcdplayer and workman, all of which claim to be CD players. In that sense they seem equally functional. But xcdplayer is pretty hideous, xmcd requires a big motif download and has a config script you need to navigate, and workman just seems to work fine out of the box. These are my experiences, not my reviews. I would rather have first checked each of these guys out in a "port mongers" database to see which once had any love. I'll bet I would not have found xcdplayer in there. I bet I would have found workman. BTW let me re-iterate that I would not like to see "reviews". If you don't have something nice to say about something, there is a very good chance you just didn't understand how to use it -- so don't say anything at all. Be a "monger", not a reviewer. And unlike a review if there is something negative you have to say like "dvd play didn't always work" that should be taken as a "I wish someone would tell me how to make it work and I will change this sentence if they do." >Therefore I suggest that any such experience be gathered in a sort of >diary, with exact version numbers and dates so that people could at once >see what they are dealing with. Also, I have seen several "independent" I think your issues with version are very valid, and also speaks to what Tom was saying too about maintenance. Let's be sure it is a matter of moderation/good submission to include the FreeBSD and port versions as accurately as possible. Depending on the port, hardware version might be necessary (I'm thinking video playback where card and XFree86 version are very relevant). >date of submittal in order for the link to make any sense. While this >may be a bit over the hump, you get the idea. Once a link is set, people >generally don't care if it is alive. To link or to add: OK, so let's consider this highly experimental. If in a years time, it seems to be working out, then we should look for incorporation. Yes, it should not be a one-man-show, but it can start that way. If we don't get to something nice which cannot be added to the doc project, then that's it. Perhaps, since Tom has indicated good reasons for just linking with no incorporation, it will come to a vote. >The other such outlet is the FreeBSD Diary. >(http://www.freebsddiary.org/). It has an astonishing number of articles I didn't know the diary had expanded. I'll have to check it out. Maybe you are right then and a forum already exists of this sort. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 11:18:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE7B37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20E043E6E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75IIS910812; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:18:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75IISA17755; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:18:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75IIPo17748; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4EC170.1080509@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:18:24 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Lippert Cc: sziszi@bsd.hu, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051801.LAA28126@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ross Lippert wrote: >>The other such outlet is the FreeBSD Diary. >>(http://www.freebsddiary.org/). It has an astonishing number of articles >> > I didn't know the diary had expanded. I'll have to check it out. Maybe > you are right then and a forum already exists of this sort. What I am envisioning is basically an area where users can go, and read the "good stuff" on a port, maybe even see how many "remarks" or whatever have been written for a port - which means multiple docs per port if need be. However, I think this should be a reference for detailed description of the port, how it was used (or tweaked to use for something) and maybe why it's a neat port. As far as "dvd playing does not work" stuff goes, that's ok as long as it's factual and says something more like "I could not get dvd playback to work with version x, on my system. If you know how to do this, please submit a port-remark." and not jsut port bashing (which doesn't help anyone). That would be up to the port-monger committer to keep an eye out for, and make tweaks as needed. However, I don't think it should be a forum. Forums are like email lists, and they tend to have threads of people discussing things to the minute detail, often with little example. Note this thread. :) Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 11:28:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B8B37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A172043E3B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12848; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:28:01 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA29409; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208051828.LAA29409@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: sziszi@bsd.hu, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3D4EC170.1080509@centtech.com> (message from Eric Anderson on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:18:24 -0500) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >think this should be a reference for detailed description of the port, how it >was used (or tweaked to use for something) and maybe why it's a neat port. I like to think "as detailed as possible, until something better come along". >However, I don't think it should be a forum. Forums are like email lists, and >they tend to have threads of people discussing things to the minute detail, >often with little example. Note this thread. :) The diary is something like that. Valuable little howtos for things, but nothing that is really a summary resource for something. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 12:46:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4400537B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B123F43E72 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 18256 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 19:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 19:46:42 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Jkfll097237; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75JkfsA097236; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Tom Rhodes Cc: dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, Ross Lippert , blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:14:25 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Eric Anderson wrote: > >Tom Rhodes wrote: > >>It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port > >>committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, > >>along with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the > >>ports they Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) > >> > >>Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they > >>already are :P > > > >WO! I'm not suggesting the ports committers would do this in > >addition! I'm suggesting we have separate volunteers for this > >function - basically, anyone can submit a "port review", and there > >would be a small number of people actually committing the port > >reviews to the site. There are 7000 ports, that are maintained, > >committed, etc, by how many port committers? I'm certain that not > >all would be reviewed (although that would be nice), and that > >committing a review would not be as time consuming as tracking a port > >itself, so I don't think it would require that many people to > >"commit" the port reviews. I'm of course offering to do it. > > The idea isn't bad, but it should be seperate from the FreeBSD > project, mainly because I dislike good/bad reviews of third party > software on the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or > not, it doesn't look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but its > a good idea as long as its kept seperate from the main project ;) > Thats my .02 hehe I agree with Tom here. Another thing also comes into play if it's part of the main site and you're using a database -- mirroring. This is why the site isn't currently dynamic. For more discussion on that topic, check the -doc archives (where it's been beaten to death numerous times over the last few years). However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with it being separate, and I don't see putting a link (or links) to it on the existing web site. Hmm, now that I think about this, I wonder if it can be somehow tied into FreshPorts, since that already exists. I've Cc'd Dan on this message to see what he thinks of the whole thing. - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 12:51: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5501D37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB4343E3B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Received: (qmail 8648 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Joill097325; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75JohsP097324; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:50:43 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nicolai Ernst Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small correction (typo) to FreeBSD Porter's Handbook. Message-ID: <20020805195043.GD13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:35:12 +0200, Nicolai Ernst wrote: > Hello. > > In paragraf 2.2.1 > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/x56.html), > you state that "The comment should begin with a capital, and end > without a period. But in the example there is no period. :-) Please re-read it. It's supposed to end *without* a period (you even wrote that above), which is why there is no period :-) - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 12:54:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BAC37B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F4243E6A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 26650 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 19:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 19:54:48 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Jsmll097396 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Jsm4b097395 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:54:48 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805195448.GE13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:46:41 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:14:25 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Eric Anderson wrote: > > >Tom Rhodes wrote: > > >>It sounds impossible with over 7000 ports and only around 100 port > > >>committers. Considering feature changes when ports are updated, > > >>along with the fact that a handful of people just don't use the > > >>ports they Maintain, just make sure it builds ;) > > >> > > >>Lets not make the FreeBSD committer's jobs more difficult than they > > >>already are :P > > > > > >WO! I'm not suggesting the ports committers would do this in > > >addition! I'm suggesting we have separate volunteers for this > > >function - basically, anyone can submit a "port review", and there > > >would be a small number of people actually committing the port > > >reviews to the site. There are 7000 ports, that are maintained, > > >committed, etc, by how many port committers? I'm certain that not > > >all would be reviewed (although that would be nice), and that > > >committing a review would not be as time consuming as tracking a port > > >itself, so I don't think it would require that many people to > > >"commit" the port reviews. I'm of course offering to do it. > > > > The idea isn't bad, but it should be seperate from the FreeBSD > > project, mainly because I dislike good/bad reviews of third party > > software on the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or > > not, it doesn't look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but its > > a good idea as long as its kept seperate from the main project ;) > > Thats my .02 hehe > > I agree with Tom here. Another thing also comes into play if it's part > of the main site and you're using a database -- mirroring. This is why > the site isn't currently dynamic. For more discussion on that topic, > check the -doc archives (where it's been beaten to death numerous times > over the last few years). > > However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with it being separate, and > I don't see putting a link (or links) to it on the existing web site. Err, I don't see a problem too. Hooray for my wonderful grammar. - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 12:55:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2C437B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266A743E6E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Received: (qmail 24047 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 19:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 19:49:06 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Jn5ll097308; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Jn5C3097307; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@soupnazi.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:49:05 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Marc Fonvieille , Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805194905.GC13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 10:21:54 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > >Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, > >evolution etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer without > >thinking about sending mails :) > > Using email clients (MUA's) will be its own chapter all togeather, > which is already a PR in which I've taken ;) If you wish to help me > with it, just let me know and I'll inform you about what needs worked > over ;) Thanks! It probably shouldn't be it's own chapter but a section of the "Electronic Mail" chapter. - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 12:56:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8AB37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5A343E70; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from unknown (acs-24-154-231-94.zoominternet.net [24.154.231.94]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g75Jup6a051186; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:56:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:59:38 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: mij@soupnazi.org Cc: darklogik@pittgoth.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-Id: <20020805155938.704848e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20020805194905.GC13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> <20020805194905.GC13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:49:05 -0700 Jim Mock wrote: > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 10:21:54 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, > > >evolution etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer > > >without thinking about sending mails :) > > > > Using email clients (MUA's) will be its own chapter all togeather, > > which is already a PR in which I've taken ;) If you wish to help me > > with it, just let me know and I'll inform you about what needs > > worked over ;) Thanks! > > It probably shouldn't be it's own chapter but a section of the > "Electronic Mail" chapter. This sounds even better, have a section on mail clients and describe some of the more common ones (mutt, pine, sylpheed) so that users can get up and running with email fast. Originally, I was thinking about a text based and a menu based section, which would describe mutt for text based and sylpheed for menu. Any suggestions? Note: I really do not want to get in depth with many clients, it would become to difficult to maintain. > > - jim > > -- > jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13: 1: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BF537B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE5043E6E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from unknown (acs-24-154-231-94.zoominternet.net [24.154.231.94]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g75K0o6a051219; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:00:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:03:23 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: jim@FreeBSD.org Cc: darklogik@pittgoth.com, dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, ripper@eskimo.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-Id: <20020805160323.426355e7.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 Jim Mock wrote: > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:14:25 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Eric Anderson wrote: > > >Tom Rhodes wrote: [SNIP] > > > > The idea isn't bad, but it should be seperate from the FreeBSD > > project, mainly because I dislike good/bad reviews of third party > > software on the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or > > not, it doesn't look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but > > its a good idea as long as its kept seperate from the main project > > ;) Thats my .02 hehe > > I agree with Tom here. Another thing also comes into play if it's > part of the main site and you're using a database -- mirroring. This > is why the site isn't currently dynamic. For more discussion on that > topic, check the -doc archives (where it's been beaten to death > numerous times over the last few years). Thank you ;) > > However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with it being separate, > and I don't see putting a link (or links) to it on the existing web > site. Hmm, now that I think about this, I wonder if it can be somehow > tied into FreshPorts, since that already exists. I've Cc'd Dan on > this message to see what he thinks of the whole thing. This would be great if the community could get involved, which I'm sure most will. But if its done I feel that we need to also pay attention, or at least list what the date and port version of the review is, and perhaps a php/cgi interface to cvsweb for version tracking/bug fixes. This way users will know when the review was, and what version as updates usually mean better functionality and bug fixes. > > - jim > > -- > jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13: 4:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E69437B401 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB0543E70 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 7014 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 20:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 20:04:50 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75K4oll097559; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75K4oWR097554; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:49 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Tom Rhodes Cc: blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805200449.GF13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> <20020805194905.GC13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> <20020805155938.704848e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020805155938.704848e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 15:59:38 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:49:05 -0700 Jim Mock wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 10:21:54 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > >Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, > > > >evolution etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer > > > >without thinking about sending mails :) > > > > > > Using email clients (MUA's) will be its own chapter all togeather, > > > which is already a PR in which I've taken ;) If you wish to help > > > me with it, just let me know and I'll inform you about what needs > > > worked over ;) Thanks! > > > > It probably shouldn't be it's own chapter but a section of the > > "Electronic Mail" chapter. > > This sounds even better, have a section on mail clients and describe > some of the more common ones (mutt, pine, sylpheed) so that users can > get up and running with email fast. Originally, I was thinking about > a text based and a menu based section, which would describe mutt for > text based and sylpheed for menu. Any suggestions? > > Note: I really do not want to get in depth with many clients, it would > become to difficult to maintain. I'd pick 3-5 of the most commonly used of each (GUI and console) and stick with that. I.e., console -- mutt, pine, elm, mail. GUI -- sylpheed, evolution, xfmail, whatever. I think those are probably the most common and would make the section the easiest to maintain. - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:10: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37CA37B401 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723FA43E77 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 24928 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 20:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net) ([66.93.128.72]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2002 20:10:02 -0000 Received: from branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (jim@localhost.sfo.geekhouse.net [127.0.0.1]) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75KA2ll097643; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75KA2j3097642; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:10:02 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Tom Rhodes Cc: dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, ripper@eskimo.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805201002.GG13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> <20020805160323.426355e7.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020805160323.426355e7.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 16:03:23 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 Jim Mock wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 at 12:14:25 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > The idea isn't bad, but it should be seperate from the FreeBSD > > > project, mainly because I dislike good/bad reviews of third party > > > software on the main site. Regardless if its helpful for people or > > > not, it doesn't look good. Perhaps I'm being wierd about it, but > > > its a good idea as long as its kept seperate from the main project > > > ;) Thats my .02 hehe > > > > I agree with Tom here. Another thing also comes into play if it's > > part of the main site and you're using a database -- mirroring. This > > is why the site isn't currently dynamic. For more discussion on that > > topic, check the -doc archives (where it's been beaten to death > > numerous times over the last few years). > > Thank you ;) > > > However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with it being separate, > > and I don't see putting a link (or links) to it on the existing web > > site. Hmm, now that I think about this, I wonder if it can be somehow > > tied into FreshPorts, since that already exists. I've Cc'd Dan on > > this message to see what he thinks of the whole thing. > > This would be great if the community could get involved, which I'm > sure most will. But if its done I feel that we need to also pay > attention, or at least list what the date and port version of > the review is, and perhaps a php/cgi interface to cvsweb for version > tracking/bug fixes. This way users will know when the review was, > and what version as updates usually mean better functionality and > bug fixes. Part of the reason for me suggesting the possibility of tying it in with FreshPorts is because he's already got an established userbase and I don't think it would take much effort to get them to add a comment or two to the ports they use/like. Each port on FreshPorts already has the version number. It shouldn't be very hard to have the comments timestamped and have a box for the version number the poster is using. - jim -- jim mock jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:12:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBBB37B401; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CEE43E3B; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75KCA914049; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75KCAn26599; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75KC7o26592; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:12:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4EDC16.4000905@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:12:06 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes Cc: jim@freebsd.org, darklogik@pittgoth.com, dan@langille.org, ripper@eskimo.com, blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> <3D4EA461.4010606@pittgoth.com> <20020805194641.GB13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> <20020805160323.426355e7.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think some of my initial comments were overlooked. Basically, I said all this at the beginning. No SQL databases, not on FreeBSD main site, etc. As far as freshports goes, I would say that may not be such a good idea, since he does use a SQL backend, which removes portability as far as future freebsd.org inclusion goes. Eric Tom Rhodes wrote: >>I agree with Tom here. Another thing also comes into play if it's >>part of the main site and you're using a database -- mirroring. This >>is why the site isn't currently dynamic. For more discussion on that >>topic, check the -doc archives (where it's been beaten to death >>numerous times over the last few years). >> > > Thank you ;) > > >>However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with it being separate, >>and I don't see putting a link (or links) to it on the existing web >>site. Hmm, now that I think about this, I wonder if it can be somehow >>tied into FreshPorts, since that already exists. I've Cc'd Dan on >>this message to see what he thinks of the whole thing. >> > > This would be great if the community could get involved, which I'm > sure most will. But if its done I feel that we need to also pay > attention, or at least list what the date and port version of > the review is, and perhaps a php/cgi interface to cvsweb for version > tracking/bug fixes. This way users will know when the review was, > and what version as updates usually mean better functionality and > bug fixes. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:22:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5D237B405; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F30143E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01769; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:25 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA09085; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208052022.NAA09085@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mij@soupnazi.org, darklogik@pittgoth.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020805155938.704848e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (message from Tom Rhodes on Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:59:38 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >This sounds even better, have a section on mail clients and describe >some of the more common ones (mutt, pine, sylpheed) so that users >can get up and running with email fast. Originally, I was thinking Be sure you cover the common ways of doing remote mail, like what it means to leave the mail on the server, versus bringing it in locally, and how one sets up the mailers to do that. Additionally, how to send. If you did that, then I'd read it. It would be much better for me to read and respond to my mail locally instead of through ssh, but I've never had the time to learn how. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:30:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B1837B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8525043E6E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g75KQ9eb085745; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:26:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g75KQ9n9085744; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:26:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:26:09 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Marc Fonvieille , Christophe Juniet , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020805222608.D82972@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020804191139.GA67318@daemon.entreview.com> <20020805121707.B82287@abigail.blackend.org> <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D4E8A02.50402@pittgoth.com>; from darklogik@pittgoth.com on Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 10:21:54AM -0400 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 10:21:54AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > > Perhaps one thing is missing: the mail applications: sylpheed, evolution > > etc... Nowadays people can't think about a computer without thinking > > about sending mails :) > > Using email clients (MUA's) will be its own chapter all togeather, > which is already a PR in which I've taken ;) If you wish > to help me with it, just let me know and I'll inform you about > what needs worked over ;) Thanks! > Good, it means just a link will be needed. Damn I'm losing my mind in that crazy thread :))) Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:32:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB9B37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E4843E3B; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9633F28; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Jim Mock Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Cc: dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, ripper@eskimo.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3D4EA926.8190.13B8AA06@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020805201002.GG13858@branwen.sfo.geekhouse.net> References: <20020805160323.426355e7.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Aug 2002 at 13:10, Jim Mock wrote: > Part of the reason for me suggesting the possibility of tying it in > with FreshPorts is because he's already got an established userbase About 3200 users have registered. > and I don't think it would take much effort to get them to add a > comment or two to the ports they use/like. I already have the ability to comment on an article. It wouldn't take much to extend that to comment on a port. > Each port on FreshPorts > already has the version number. It shouldn't be very hard to have the > comments timestamped and have a box for the version number the poster > is using. If someone wants to take an existing page and mock it up, go for it. I can arrange access to test databases and websites. I'm trying to concentrate on FreshSource at the moment. FWIW: users have talked about commenting on the ports. I think they'd take to it like wild fire. -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:45:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6142337B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA743E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12404; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:19 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA10368; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208052045.NAA10368@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@FreeBSD.ORG, darklogik@pittgoth.com, dan@langille.org, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3D4EDC16.4000905@centtech.com> (message from Eric Anderson on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:12:06 -0500) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There may be ways to include it without merging it with the SQL DB in freshports, although, even if it were in the SQL, couldn't we dump it if we ever wanted something static and includable at freebsd.org? How about we work it this way. We declare september "the month of port mongering", and have open submissions to be moderated and editted by volunteers (I'll vol. to edit), which we do in october. By november 1, whether static or dynamic html, taking submissions or not, we have a stand-alone site which houses the initial submissions from september with some editting if not new submissions being moderated and added. The site is stand-alone, and it is not encouraged that anyone link to it, because it is a prototype. If diary or freshports or even freebsd.org is interested in what we did, then they can take a look, but by no means will this site be a permanent home. To be hard-ass about this, let's have Feb 1 be the sunset time of this site. And announce it ahead of time, and enforce it. I'd rather just see what it looks like first before we figure out where it should live and possibly with whom. BTW submission guidelines so far: *Write only good reviews about ports you love. Be a port-monger. *No bad-mouthing. If the port you are praising has some shortcomings which you cannot overlook, put them in bold and think of it as an open invitation to the reader to help you with feedback. Do not use this as a forum to bitch about the maintainers, that's what mailing lists are for. *Be careful with versions. FreeBSD version and port version (where does the actual version of the port itself reside, btw, I don't know) a must. Hardware makes/models and versions of ancillary ports are nice too as appropriate. *Be willing to maintain, or update, or maybe even merge in better information should it come along. Though this does not imply that all reviews ought to be merged into one monster. Can we still call it PortMongers? -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 13:53:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABB437B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138B243E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75KrX915074; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75KrXU29849; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75KrUo29842; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:53:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4EE5CA.7020405@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:53:30 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Lippert Cc: trhodes@freebsd.org, jim@freebsd.org, darklogik@pittgoth.com, dan@langille.org, blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208052045.NAA10368@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ross Lippert wrote: > There may be ways to include it without merging it with the SQL DB in > freshports, although, even if it were in the SQL, couldn't we dump it > if we ever wanted something static and includable at freebsd.org? Sure.. that's possible. I'm sure Dan knows his db very well (:D) and could whip out a dump in minutes if need be. > How about we work it this way. We declare september "the month of > port mongering", and have open submissions to be moderated and editted > by volunteers (I'll vol. to edit), which we do in october. By > november 1, whether static or dynamic html, taking submissions or not, > we have a stand-alone site which houses the initial submissions from > september with some editting if not new submissions being moderated > and added. The site is stand-alone, and it is not encouraged that > anyone link to it, because it is a prototype. If diary or freshports > or even freebsd.org is interested in what we did, then they can take a > look, but by no means will this site be a permanent home. To be > hard-ass about this, let's have Feb 1 be the sunset time of this site. > And announce it ahead of time, and enforce it. I'd rather just see > what it looks like first before we figure out where it should live and > possibly with whom. Sounds like the right approach. > BTW submission guidelines so far: > *Write only good reviews about ports you love. Be a port-monger. > *No bad-mouthing. If the port you are praising has some shortcomings > which you cannot overlook, put them in bold and think of it as an open > invitation to the reader to help you with feedback. Do not use this > as a forum to bitch about the maintainers, that's what mailing lists are > for. > *Be careful with versions. FreeBSD version and port version (where does > the actual version of the port itself reside, btw, I don't know) a must. > Hardware makes/models and versions of ancillary ports are nice too as > appropriate. > *Be willing to maintain, or update, or maybe even merge in better > information should it come along. Though this does not imply that > all reviews ought to be merged into one monster. > > Can we still call it PortMongers? I don't see why not. Also, it would be great if some of the port program writer's actually wrote the blurbs. I know I will definitely write up some info for bsdsar, and of course I think it's great! :) Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 14: 2:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432EC37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CF043E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19961; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:14 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA11338; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208052102.OAA11338@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: dan@langille.org Cc: jim@FreeBSD.org, dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <3D4EA926.8190.13B8AA06@localhost> (dan@langille.org) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Freshports has definitely been a value-add that has proven its longevity. >FWIW: users have talked about commenting on the ports. I think >they'd take to it like wild fire. So with comments, we're talking about threaded comments of some sort on the port? There is a funny thing about threaded lists and articles. An article gets written. People respond. A few responses after an article can add a lot of value to the article. A thousand responses after an article can be bewildering. But, at that point, you probably have enough info in the comments to condense them in version 2 of the article (and perhaps make new articles) and the process starts again. This is a pretty natural way to do things. I think it requires two kinds of responses. The first is the set of comments, which are unstructured, moderated, but not editted. The next is the article, which condenses the comments, which is moderated, editted, with a consistent structure. Perhaps, on FreshPorts, there could be comments with a TTL and articles with a bigger TTL. Things in comment space are quickly moderated for spam or other evil and posted. Things in article space are reviewed for tags, language, and maybe even accuracy before being placed, at which point the corresponding author(s) on the article are obligated to receive all subsequent comments made (and we trust they do not /dev/null them). I think that generally the guidelines for the articles should be similar to what we've been discussing. I'd hate to see a "Why I hate windowmaker" as an article. Maybe my previous article on time-tables and whatnot isn't necessary if Freshports is the obvious way to go. Maybe, we could still do the prototype and possibly use the resulting articles as seeds for the comment-->article-->comment cycle? -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 14:11:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1251737B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271F443E6A; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75LBV915536; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g75LBVI01175; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75LBRo01168; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4EE9FF.4030909@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Lippert Cc: dan@langille.org, jim@freebsd.org, blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. References: <200208052102.OAA11338@eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Personally, I think it's getting too complicated. It doesn't need to be a nest of comments with a forum and all that. I think the KISS method applies here, and it should be as simple as port blurbs written about the port, and no comments on the blurb. If someone wants to add to that, they should write a blurb. There can be multiple blurbs for a port, I think that's a good thing. But I don't think turning it into a portdot is a good idea.. Eric Ross Lippert wrote: > Freshports has definitely been a value-add that has proven its > longevity. > > >>FWIW: users have talked about commenting on the ports. I think >>they'd take to it like wild fire. >> > So with comments, we're talking about threaded comments of some sort > on the port? > > There is a funny thing about threaded lists and articles. An article > gets written. People respond. A few responses after an article can > add a lot of value to the article. A thousand responses after an > article can be bewildering. But, at that point, you probably have > enough info in the comments to condense them in version 2 of the article > (and perhaps make new articles) and the process starts again. This > is a pretty natural way to do things. > > I think it requires two kinds of responses. The first is the set of > comments, which are unstructured, moderated, but not editted. The > next is the article, which condenses the comments, which is moderated, > editted, with a consistent structure. > > Perhaps, on FreshPorts, there could be comments with a TTL and > articles with a bigger TTL. Things in comment space are quickly > moderated for spam or other evil and posted. Things in article space > are reviewed for tags, language, and maybe even accuracy before being > placed, at which point the corresponding author(s) on the article are > obligated to receive all subsequent comments made (and we trust they do > not /dev/null them). > > I think that generally the guidelines for the articles should be similar > to what we've been discussing. I'd hate to see a "Why I hate windowmaker" > as an article. > > Maybe my previous article on time-tables and whatnot isn't necessary > if Freshports is the obvious way to go. Maybe, we could still do the > prototype and possibly use the resulting articles as seeds for the > comment-->article-->comment cycle? > > > -r > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 14:42: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEF737B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB3743E5E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5133F28; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Ross Lippert Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:44:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Cc: jim@FreeBSD.org, dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3D4EB965.29692.13F81F2E@localhost> In-reply-to: <200208052102.OAA11338@eskimo.com> References: <3D4EA926.8190.13B8AA06@localhost> (dan@langille.org) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Aug 2002 at 14:02, Ross Lippert wrote: > Freshports has definitely been a value-add that has proven its > longevity. *blush* > > >FWIW: users have talked about commenting on the ports. I think > >they'd take to it like wild fire. > So with comments, we're talking about threaded comments of some sort > on the port? Yes. It would be similar to what exists on the Diary (http://www.freebsddiary.org/phorum/) and uses phorum code. > Perhaps, on FreshPorts, there could be comments with a TTL and > articles with a bigger TTL. Things in comment space are quickly > moderated for spam or other evil and posted. Things in article space > are reviewed for tags, language, and maybe even accuracy before being > placed, at which point the corresponding author(s) on the article are > obligated to receive all subsequent comments made (and we trust they > do not /dev/null them). Phorum already has the ability to moderate. Newer posts appear at the top. I have already customized phorum to separate comments on an article by article basis. Extending that to a port by port basis would be trivial. > I think that generally the guidelines for the articles should be > similar to what we've been discussing. I'd hate to see a "Why I hate > windowmaker" as an article. Such trolls could be hidden/removed with moderation. -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 14:43: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4972C37B400; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA72943E4A; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3821E3F28; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Eric Anderson Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:45:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Cc: trhodes@freebsd.org, jim@freebsd.org, darklogik@pittgoth.com, dan@langille.org, blackend@freebsd.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3D4EB9A9.13879.13F927FA@localhost> In-reply-to: <3D4EE5CA.7020405@centtech.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Aug 2002 at 15:53, Eric Anderson wrote: > Ross Lippert wrote: > > > There may be ways to include it without merging it with the SQL DB > > in freshports, although, even if it were in the SQL, couldn't we > > dump it if we ever wanted something static and includable at > > freebsd.org? > > Sure.. that's possible. I'm sure Dan knows his db very well (:D) and > could whip out a dump in minutes if need be. Yes, a db extract is fairly easy to do. It's all PostgreSQL now. -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 5 16:30:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6239037B400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15BD43E65 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443C3F28; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Ross Lippert Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:32:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Cc: dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3D4ED2C3.3895.145B35EE@localhost> In-reply-to: <200208052102.OAA11338@eskimo.com> References: <3D4EA926.8190.13B8AA06@localhost> (dan@langille.org) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have attempted to trim the CC: list to those I know are on docs. On 5 Aug 2002 at 14:02, Ross Lippert wrote: > Freshports has definitely been a value-add that has proven its > longevity. > > >FWIW: users have talked about commenting on the ports. I think > >they'd take to it like wild fire. > So with comments, we're talking about threaded comments of some sort > on the port? > > There is a funny thing about threaded lists and articles. An article > gets written. People respond. A few responses after an article can > add a lot of value to the article. A thousand responses after an > article can be bewildering. But, at that point, you probably have > enough info in the comments to condense them in version 2 of the > article (and perhaps make new articles) and the process starts again. > This is a pretty natural way to do things. > > I think it requires two kinds of responses. The first is the set of > comments, which are unstructured, moderated, but not editted. The > next is the article, which condenses the comments, which is moderated, > editted, with a consistent structure. > > Perhaps, on FreshPorts, there could be comments with a TTL and > articles with a bigger TTL. Things in comment space are quickly > moderated for spam or other evil and posted. Things in article space > are reviewed for tags, language, and maybe even accuracy before being > placed, at which point the corresponding author(s) on the article are > obligated to receive all subsequent comments made (and we trust they > do not /dev/null them). > > I think that generally the guidelines for the articles should be > similar to what we've been discussing. I'd hate to see a "Why I hate > windowmaker" as an article. > > Maybe my previous article on time-tables and whatnot isn't necessary > if Freshports is the obvious way to go. Maybe, we could still do the > prototype and possibly use the resulting articles as seeds for the > comment-->article-->comment cycle? I have spent 10 minutes putting together a partially-functioning prototype. See http://www.freshports.org/tmp/databases/postgresql7/ (and yes, the links to more commits and more comments will work). 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RE: URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL ASSISTANCE.

I am Mrs.Mariam Abacha, wife of the former Nigerian Head ofState,late
General SANI ABACHA who died on June 7,1998 as a result of cardiac
arrest while on the seat of power.My main aim of sending you this
request is to solicit for your favour and help to receive into any of
your chosen account the sum of fifty million United State Dollars
S$50,000,000.00) only from one of my late husband’s secret Treasure
which he operated in OverSeas during the period he
was in office outside Nigeria. 

The reason to get this money transferred into another Foreign account
is because since my husband’s death,the present democratically
elected government has secretly investigated, frozen all our foreign
accounts and started probing my late husband’s activities and wealth.
On the other hand,Mohammed my son is also being detained together
with some of my husband’s aides, by the government as you read
through the print media or the cable network. In view of this
development, myself,in agreement with my children, have consulted our
family Attorney, who advised that we should move the fund without
delay before the government could discover it. 

He also agreed and promised to handle all modalities regarding to the
movement of the Fund.

Our attorney and I after much deliberation with my
family duly resolved that you will have 20% of the
total sum and all your telephone bills and traveling expenses in the
process of opening accounts if you don’t have any good ones now, and
other assistance rendered will duly calculated and refunded to you as
soon as the fund is received at your end. All we require from you is
utmost sincerity and co-operation to enable us transfer
this fund.

When this money is transfered to your end, survey properly a very
good investment where we could channel it, that is into a good
business that will yield profit.

Note that all correspondence relating to this issue
should be directed to our family Attorney whom I have given power of
attorney to handle this transaction due to security reasons, since I
have been kept under house arrest and bound from traveling out of the
country by the government until the probe is over.

If you can assist towards this, I will give you his private e-mail
address and telephone number so that he can call you and finalise
with you. Please have mercy upon those in distress be your brother’s
keeper and save our soul.
The Almighty Allah the most merciful will bless you abundantly
protect your family for helping and assisting me in time of great
need. 

Please remember to include your telephone and fax numbers in your
reply to me.

Thank you,

Mrs.Mariam Abacha. 





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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 3: 5:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4580C37B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kknd.mweb.co.za (kknd.mweb.co.za [196.2.45.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3243E65 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:05:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ffkrz@iafrica.com) Received: from cpt-dial-196-30-179-72.mweb.co.za ([196.30.179.72] helo=noya) by kknd.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.01) id 17c16p-0004T4-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:58:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:07:00 +0200 From: Francois Kritzinger To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Error in Handbook Message-Id: <20020806120700.59cdbc32.ffkrz@iafrica.com> Organization: Kramerica Industries X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, In the second line of section 19.2.2.1 (What Is FreeBSD-STABLE?), it says: Changes go into this branch at a different pace, and with the general assumption that they have first gone into FreeBSD-CURRENT first for testing. ***** ***** Looks like one too many "first"'s... Greetings, -- Francois Kritzinger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 3:23:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B2E37B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (marstons.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1C2E43E4A for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from icancu@icancu.com) Received: (qmail 11617 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Aug 2002 10:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icancu) (212.56.125.17) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 10:28:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c23d34$41d27320$117d38d4@icancu> Reply-To: "andy smith" From: "andy smith" To: Subject: BSD Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:42:08 +0100 Organization: icancu dot com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C23CD9.B6923480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C23CD9.B6923480 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C23CD9.B6923480" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C23CD9.B6923480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I would like to offer my services as a designer to your site, print work = and any other documentation and so on to your project -=20 I really admire you for providing the public with such a useful open = source O/S and would like to contribute something towards the project = ... 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Thanks. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 6:14: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E667737B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merkury.pol.lublin.pl (merkury.pol.lublin.pl [212.182.59.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1408D43E72 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ni@merkury.pol.lublin.pl) Received: (qmail 14845 invoked by uid 9999); 6 Aug 2002 13:13:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:13:25 +0200 From: Lukasz Bojarski To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Polish translation Message-ID: <20020806151325.A14833@merkury.pol.lublin.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there! Is there anyone working already on translation to POLISH (pl_PL.ISO8859-2) ? We have organised some people now for translations (some have been already done) and looking for any already translated documents. I cannot find any open FreeBSD Polish Documentation Project - if there exists one, please let me know! Else, maybe our work should be included on the Documentation Project translations page...? Best wishes, Lukasz Bojarski (ni) E-mail: ni@merkury.pol.lublin.pl Web page of our project: http://merkury.pol.lublin.pl/~ni/tlumaczenie.html IRCNet: #freebsd.pl.tlumaczenie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 6:26: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4B737B400; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CEB43E4A; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA30040; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:25:54 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA24902; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208061325.GAA24902@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: dan@langille.org Cc: jim@FreeBSD.org, dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <3D4EB965.29692.13F81F2E@localhost> (dan@langille.org) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Yes. It would be similar to what exists on the Diary >(http://www.freebsddiary.org/phorum/) and uses phorum code. I have to say that this thread has been very educational for me. There are areas of freebsddiary that I clearly should have been exploring already. >I have spent 10 minutes putting together a partially-functioning >prototype. See http://www.freshports.org/tmp/databases/postgresql7/ I think what we were thinking about should also include at least some sort of centralized document, perhaps linked to from that site. For example, someone might give a long document about postgressql7 talking about how they set theirs up, what they do with it and what features they get the most out of, and where they found tutorials to help them set it up. Something comprehensive like that which goes beyond the pkg-descr, and is more condensed and less fragmented than comments. Something postive and instructive with information about quick setup and examples and cool tricks which I have been calling a testimonial -- and not that every port should have one, just those which have one or more volunarily submitted (assuming moderation filters out those which are contentless or abusive etc). Additionally, let's suppose that someone wasn't sure how to meet their DB needs and wanted to browse all the entries in /usr/ports/databases, and see just which ones had such testimonials, which they could then read and get a pretty good idea what they'd be getting into if they installed that port. Maybe such a view would lead such a someone to try postgresql-tcltk, because they saw a few testimonials which really showed off that that port could do. I think comments are good, and they are needed, but the nature of a comment is to show 1 or two tricks, or gripe about a bug, or warn of something, or ask a question, and a tesimonial, in contrast is a big summary of tricks, work-arounds, warnings, and answers. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 6:36:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0834A37B401 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.state.nj.us (mail1.state.nj.us [199.20.71.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FB643E5E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert.middaugh@dol.state.nj.us) Received: from dol.state.nj.us (dolsun.dol.state.nj.us [199.20.109.29]) by mail1.state.nj.us (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.5) with SMTP id g76DaHb21454 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njdol_esjt_fs_b.dol.state.nj.us by dol.state.nj.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21396; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:37:33 -0400 Received: by NJDOL_ESJT_FS_B with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:36:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Middaugh, Bob" To: "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:36:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C23D4E.3C73A330" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C23D4E.3C73A330-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 6:55:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7DE37B400; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp5.cluster.oleane.net (smtp5.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26C043E42; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from ns1.entreview.com ([194.250.48.33]) by smtp5.cluster.oleane.net with ESMTP id g76Dtbc81487; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (daemon.entreview.com [194.250.48.42]) by ns1.entreview.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g76DteC36164; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76Dtb3c070156; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DtYDT070155; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:34 +0200 From: Christophe Juniet To: murray@FreeBSD.ORG, sethk@meowfishies.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020806135534.GA70061@daemon.entreview.com> References: <200208060649.g766nmCH064191@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200208060649.g766nmCH064191@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > Synopsis: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->Seth Kingsley > Responsible-Changed-By: murray > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 5 23:49:03 PDT 2002 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Seth is working on this for now. Update or timeout within 30 days. > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=41106 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message Hm, ok then. But my offer still stands, even past 30 days :) -- chris http://daemon.entreview.com/~chris/desktop.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 7:14:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5231737B411 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184CD43E75 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alopes@bigpond.net.au) Received: from cxp7sldpwaaps2a ([144.135.25.72]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0FE7X00.07O for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:14:21 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-132-60-48.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.60.48]) by PSMAM02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 74/7169000); 07 Aug 2002 00:14:21 From: "Adam Lopes" To: Subject: Unsolicited email (Security Notifications) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:19:45 +1000 Message-ID: <000301c23d54$509b7df0$303c8490@cxp7sldpwaaps2a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C23DA8.22478DF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C23DA8.22478DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recently, I have been receiving several emails daily, containing security notifications for the FreeBSD operating system. I am not subscribed to any of your mailing lists, nor do I own or operate and computer systems running this OS, nor am I otherwise associated with do with Free BSD.=20 I have attempted to unsubscribe from this mailing list several times, only to be faced with a response stating that I am not subscribed to the list. Upon receiving these email messages, my email address is not included in the recipient field, and as such I=92m rather curious as to how (and why) I am receiving these messages.=20 =20 Sorry to trouble you, but could you please remove me from any distribution lists you operate. If this is not possible for whatever reason, I would be interested to know how (and for what reason) I am receiving these messages. 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Recently, I have been receiving several emails daily, containing security notifications for = the FreeBSD operating system. I am not subscribed to any of your mailing = lists, nor do I own or operate and computer systems running this OS, nor am I = otherwise associated with do with Free BSD.

I have attempted to unsubscribe from this mailing list several times, only to be faced with = a response stating that I am not subscribed to the list. Upon receiving these email messages, my email address is not included in the recipient field, and = as such I’m rather curious as to how (and why) I am receiving these messages. =

 

Sorry to trouble you, = but could you please remove me from any distribution lists you operate. If = this is not possible for whatever reason, I would be interested to know how (and = for what reason) I am receiving these messages. Although the messages can be = easily filtered, I would appreciate being removed from this mailing list at = your earliest convenience

 

Thanks

 

Adam = Lopes

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C23DA8.22478DF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 7:17:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A03437B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56A443E81 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g76EHh906828; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g76EHhV10007; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g76EHeo09995; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:17:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D4FDA83.5010508@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:17:39 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Lopes Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unsolicited email (Security Notifications) References: <000301c23d54$509b7df0$303c8490@cxp7sldpwaaps2a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please send the full headers from one of the emails you have received from the lists. That should help determine which email address it is being sent to. Eric Adam Lopes wrote: > Recently, I have been receiving several emails daily, containing > security notifications for the FreeBSD operating system. I am not > subscribed to any of your mailing lists, nor do I own or operate and > computer systems running this OS, nor am I otherwise associated with do > with Free BSD. > > I have attempted to unsubscribe from this mailing list several times, > only to be faced with a response stating that I am not subscribed to the > list. Upon receiving these email messages, my email address is not > included in the recipient field, and as such I?m rather curious as to > how (and why) I am receiving these messages. > > > > Sorry to trouble you, but could you please remove me from any > distribution lists you operate. If this is not possible for whatever > reason, I would be interested to know how (and for what reason) I am > receiving these messages. Although the messages can be easily filtered, > I would appreciate being removed from this mailing list at your earliest > convenience > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam Lopes > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 7:24:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF54E37B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idoru.mine.nu (pc1-cdif1-5-cust192.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.3.216.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF75043E6E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@idoru.mine.nu) Received: from setantae by idoru.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17c5G1-000071-00; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:24:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:24:21 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Adam Lopes Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Unsolicited email (Security Notifications) Message-ID: <20020806142421.GA407@idoru.tenten> References: <000301c23d54$509b7df0$303c8490@cxp7sldpwaaps2a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c23d54$509b7df0$303c8490@cxp7sldpwaaps2a> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:19:45AM +1000, Adam Lopes said: Hello Adam, > Recently, I have been receiving several emails daily, containing > security notifications for the FreeBSD operating system. I am not > subscribed to any of your mailing lists, nor do I own or operate and > computer systems running this OS, nor am I otherwise associated with do > with Free BSD. It sounds like you are subscribed either to the freebsd-announce or security-announce mailing list. > I have attempted to unsubscribe from this mailing list several times, > only to be faced with a response stating that I am not subscribed to the > list. Do you meant you've tried to unsubscribe from freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org ? We don't send security notifications. The sure way to find out which mailing lists you are subscribed to is to send an email to majordomo@FreeBSD.org, with the word "which" (minus the quotes) in both the subject and the message body. Do not include anything else in the messages. Within the minute you should receive a message back from the list manager software to tell you which lists at FreeBSD.org you are subscribed to, and then you can unsubscribe from those ones (as I say, it doesn't sound like you are subscribed to the doc@ list). If you *still* can't unsubscribe, then drop postmaster@FreeBSD.org a line, and include the message that you received back from majordomo@FreeBSD.org. > Sorry to trouble you, but could you please remove me from any > distribution lists you operate. If this is not possible for whatever > reason, I would be interested to know how (and for what reason) I am > receiving these messages. Although the messages can be easily filtered, > I would appreciate being removed from this mailing list at your earliest > convenience I'm afraid we're not the right people, but if you follow the steps above then you'll get unsubcribed - we don't want to spam anyone. 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THEREFORE TO ENABLE THE IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF THE FUND VIA OUR CORRESPONDENT FINANCE HOUSE IN ABORAD TO YOU AS ARRANGED, YOU SHOULD FIRST APPLY TO THE BANK AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR BUSINESS PARTNER OF THE DECEASED INDICATING YOUR ACCOUNT DETAILS WHEREIN THE MONEY WILL BE REMITED. UPON RECEIPT OF YOUR REPLY MAIL, I SHALL SEND TO YOU THE TEXT OF THE APPLICATION WHICH YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUMIT TO THE BANK FOR THE BANK'S PROCEDURAL AUTHENTICATION AND IMMEDIATE REMITTANCE OF THE MONEY TO THE ACCOUNT YOU ARE GOING TO NOMINATE. AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE THIS MAIL, DO CONTACT ME AT ONCE THROUGH MY FAX INDICATED 234-1-7590893, AT ONCE OR BETTER STILL YOU CALL ME ON MY ABOVE TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR MORE CLARIFICATION. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO INDICATE YOUR PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL TELEPHONE, FAX,CELLULAR AND E-MAIL FOR THE EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION REQUIRED. *BE INFORMED THAT ALL NECESSARY ARRANGEMENTS TOWARDS THE SUCCESSFUL TRANSFER OF THE FUND VIA OUR CORRESPONDENT FINANCE HOUSE IN ABORAD HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED AND IT IS 100% RISK FREE. TRUSTING TO HEAR FROM YOU IMMEDIATELY. YOURS FAITHFULLY, MRS. AGOGO KOBE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 8: 8: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E2A37B401 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (host-66-133-58-214.verestar.net [66.133.58.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC08343E77 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from agogo@mail.com) From: "MRS. AGOGO KOBE" Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:06:45 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: NEXT OF KIN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020806150650.DC08343E77@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org UNION BANK NIGERIA PLC LAGOS NIGERIA 40/46 marina street Lagos FROM THE DESK OF MRS. AGOGO KOBE MANAGER,BILLS AND EXCHANGE. TEL:234-80-33357110 ATTN , REQUEST FOR BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP I AM THE MANAGER OF BILLS AND EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF THIS BANK. IAM WRITING YOU FOLLOWING THE IMPRESSIVE INFORMATION ABOUT YOU THROUGH ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO WORKED WITH THE NIGERIAN CHAMBER OF COMERCE BEFORE HIS TRANSFER TO THE NIGERIAN TRADE MISSION IN HONG KONG. HE ASSURED ME OF YOUR CAPABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO CHAMPION A BUSINESS OF GREAT MAGNITUDE LIKE THIS ONE,ALTHOUGH I DID NOT TELL HIM THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE CONFIDENTIALITY IT REQUIRES. IN MY DEPARTMENT, WE DISCOVERED AN ABANDONED SUM OF USD25MILLION(TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) IN A DOMICILIARY ACCOUNT THAT BELONGS TO ONE OF OUR FOREIGN CUSTOMERS WHO DIED IN A GHASTLY PLANE CRASH IN JANUARY 2000 ABOARD KENYA AIRWAYS ALONG WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY. SINCE WE GOT THE INFORMATION ABOUT HIS DEATH, WE HAVE EXPECTED HIS NEXT- OF- KIN TO COME OVER AND CLAIM THE MONEY BECAUSE WE CANNOT RELEASE IT UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR IT AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION TO THE DECEASED AS INDICATED IN OUR BANKING GUIDELINES. UNFORTUNATELY WE LEARNT THAT ALL HIS SUPPOSED NEXT OF KIN OR RELATIONS DIED ALONG WITH HIM AT THE PLANE CRASH LEAVING NOBODY BEHIND FOR THE CLAIM. IT IS UPON THIS DISCOVERY THEREFORE, THAT I AND ONE KEY OFFICIALS IN MY DEPARTMENT NOW DECIDED TO MAKE BUSINESS WITH YOU AND RELEASE THE MONEY TO YOU AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION OF THE DECEASED FOR SAFE-KEEPING AND SUBSEQUENT DISBURSEMENT WITH YOU SINCE NOBODY IS COMING FOR IT AND WE DO NOT WANT THIS MONEY TO BE RECYCLED INTO THE BANK'S BOUNDED ACCOUNT AS AN UNCLAIMED FUND. THE REQUEST FOR A FOREIGNER AS NEXT OF KIN IN THIS BUSINESS IS OCCASIONED BY THE FACT THAT THE CUSTOMER WAS A FOREIGNER AND A NIGERIA CANNOT STAND AS NEXT OF KIN TO A FOREIGNER. WE HAVE AGREED THAT 25% OF THIS MONEY WILL BE FOR YOU AS FOREIGN PARTNER, THEREAFTER MY COLLEAGUE AND I WILL VISIT YOUR COUNTRY FOR THE DISBURSEMENT ACCORDING TO THE AGREED PERCENTAGES. PERSONALLY, I WOULD WANT YOU TO ADVISE ME ON THE BEST AREA OF INVESTMENT BECAUSE I AM CONSIDERING TO INVEST THE GREATER PROPORTION OF MY SHARE IN YOUR COUNTRY. THEREFORE TO ENABLE THE IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF THE FUND VIA OUR CORRESPONDENT FINANCE HOUSE IN ABORAD TO YOU AS ARRANGED, YOU SHOULD FIRST APPLY TO THE BANK AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR BUSINESS PARTNER OF THE DECEASED INDICATING YOUR ACCOUNT DETAILS WHEREIN THE MONEY WILL BE REMITED. UPON RECEIPT OF YOUR REPLY MAIL, I SHALL SEND TO YOU THE TEXT OF THE APPLICATION WHICH YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUMIT TO THE BANK FOR THE BANK'S PROCEDURAL AUTHENTICATION AND IMMEDIATE REMITTANCE OF THE MONEY TO THE ACCOUNT YOU ARE GOING TO NOMINATE. AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE THIS MAIL, DO CONTACT ME AT ONCE THROUGH MY FAX INDICATED 234-1-7590893, AT ONCE OR BETTER STILL YOU CALL ME ON MY ABOVE TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR MORE CLARIFICATION. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO INDICATE YOUR PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL TELEPHONE, FAX,CELLULAR AND E-MAIL FOR THE EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION REQUIRED. *BE INFORMED THAT ALL NECESSARY ARRANGEMENTS TOWARDS THE SUCCESSFUL TRANSFER OF THE FUND VIA OUR CORRESPONDENT FINANCE HOUSE IN ABORAD HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED AND IT IS 100% RISK FREE. TRUSTING TO HEAR FROM YOU IMMEDIATELY. YOURS FAITHFULLY, MRS. AGOGO KOBE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 9:11:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4205D37B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF54A43E5E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpeek@jpeek.com) Received: from 1cust254.tnt5.tucson.az.da.uu.net ([68.128.200.254] helo=jpeek.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17c6vl-0004Da-00; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4FF70E.20809@jpeek.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:19:26 -0700 From: Jerry Peek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: matt@garply.com Subject: Suggestion: add a link to your document "An MH Primer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I came across the document http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mh/ during a Google search. I don't know if it's maintained, updateable, etc... but I noticed that the end of the document mentions an out-of-print book: "The best resource for MH is the O'Reilly and Associates book written by Jerry Peek." Actually, the newest versions of MH are called nmh. And there's an online version of that out-of-print book at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mh/book/ . Jerry Peek jpeek@jpeek.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 10:44: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DF037B400; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (www.freebsdmall.com [66.220.2.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4088343E84; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id D21482E883; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:50:55 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Christophe Juniet Cc: murray@FreeBSD.ORG, sethk@meowfishies.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Message-ID: <20020806095055.B13311@freebsdmall.com> References: <200208060649.g766nmCH064191@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020806135534.GA70061@daemon.entreview.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020806135534.GA70061@daemon.entreview.com>; from cjuniet@entreview.com on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 03:55:34PM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 03:55:34PM +0200, Christophe Juniet wrote: > But my offer still stands, even past 30 days :) Sorry, must have slipped through the cracks. By all means, please work on this chapter. Maybe you can send Seth what you've got so far and you guys can decide what else needs to be added? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 6 14: 0: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CBB37B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D4443E5E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g76L04JU019567 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g76L04f4019566; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208062100.g76L04f4019566@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/41034; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Tom Hukins Cc: "M.J.Kouache" , bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:53:54 +0300 On 2002-07-30 09:51 +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:40:04PM -0700, M.J.Kouache wrote: > > ... before that all gets commited :), substitute this in the relevant place above, > > the only difference is an apostrophe on "it's". > > > > @@ -16,8 +16,8 @@ > > // forward only; > > > > // If you've got a DNS server around at your upstream provider, enter > > -// its IP address here, and enable the line below. This will make you > > -// benefit from its cache, thus reduce overall DNS traffic in the Internet. > > +// it's IP address here, and enable the entry below. This will let you > > +// benefit from its cache, thus reducing overall DNS traffic on the Internet. > > This part of the patch is incorrect. In the posessive form, "its" is > the correct spelling. The second change of the first line, s/make you/let you/ and the second line of changes though seem like a good idea to me. 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id g76MZG6a069980; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:35:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Message-ID: <3D504FE0.3080906@pittgoth.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:38:24 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: darklogik@pittgoth.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments References: <200208062100.g76L04f4019566@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/41034; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Giorgos Keramidas > To: Tom Hukins > Cc: "M.J.Kouache" , bug-followup@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:53:54 +0300 > > On 2002-07-30 09:51 +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:40:04PM -0700, M.J.Kouache wrote: > > > ... before that all gets commited :), substitute this in the relevant place above, > > > the only difference is an apostrophe on "it's". > > > > > > @@ -16,8 +16,8 @@ > > > // forward only; > > > > > > // If you've got a DNS server around at your upstream provider, enter > > > -// its IP address here, and enable the line below. This will make you > > > -// benefit from its cache, thus reduce overall DNS traffic in the Internet. > > > +// it's IP address here, and enable the entry below. This will let you > > > +// benefit from its cache, thus reducing overall DNS traffic on the Internet. > > > > This part of the patch is incorrect. In the posessive form, "its" is > > the correct spelling. > > The second change of the first line, s/make you/let you/ and the > second line of changes though seem like a good idea to me. 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Certy.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 1:20: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31B437B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AA143E3B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g778K3JU024818 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g778K3Y1024817; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208070820.g778K3Y1024817@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Tom Hukins Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments Reply-To: Tom Hukins Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/41034; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tom Hukins To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: "M.J.Kouache" , bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41034: [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf comments Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:12:39 +0100 On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 11:53:54PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-07-30 09:51 +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:40:04PM -0700, M.J.Kouache wrote: > > > > > > -// its IP address here, and enable the line below. This will make you > > > -// benefit from its cache, thus reduce overall DNS traffic in the Internet. > > > +// it's IP address here, and enable the entry below. This will let you > > > +// benefit from its cache, thus reducing overall DNS traffic on the Internet. > > > > This part of the patch is incorrect. In the posessive form, "its" is > > the correct spelling. > > The second change of the first line, s/make you/let you/ and the > second line of changes though seem like a good idea to me. What do > you others think? Yes, I should have been clearer: I agree with the patch apart from the "its" to "it's" change. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 6:34:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9D537B400; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [208.210.80.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB4F43E72; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from blues.jpj.net (localhost.jpj.net [127.0.0.1]) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g77DYVot085515; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:34:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g77DYVvD085511; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: blues.jpj.net: trevor owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Baldwin , Chern Lee , , Marc Fonvieille , Ceri Davies , Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" In-Reply-To: <20020730204139.GR17277@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: <20020807092150.X70872-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > FWIW, > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 08:39:37AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > Given that the paper that _defines_ what a CD-ROM looks like uses CD-ROM, > > I think that is pretty definitive. :) > > If pushed, I'm inclined to agree. However, it's also not anything I'm > going to lose sleep over. If someone's willing to put the effort in to > go over the {src,doc} trees and do an intelligent s/CDROM/CD-ROM/ then > I'm not going to stop them. But I do think we have other things that > the time could be spent on. I've prepared a patch against the -CURRENT src/, to accompany the earlier one for doc/ and www/. It would change not just documentation but some textual output (if that is considered beyond the scope of such a patch, I don't mind scaling it back). I left intact some instances of "CDROM" in the Japanese documentation because I was not sure whether they referred to some of the exceptions. I also left intact the names of all variables, macros, and so forth. According to diffstat, this second patch would make 263 changes in 74 files (including share/freebsd/dict as requested, loosely speaking, by blackend). It is at . -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 9:30: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F26837B4CB for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD4143E5E for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77GU2JU018275 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77GU2dZ018274; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A9537B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7100643E65 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77GNiOT081620 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77GNiuj081619; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208071623.g77GNiuj081619@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/41413: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41413 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Update to current projects page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Aug 07 09:30:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Anderson >Release: 4.5-REL >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD proton.centtech.com 4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 28 14:31:56 GMT 2002 >Description: Updated the current-projects page (located at: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/current.html ) to note small changes in projects - like the Handbook 2nd Edition completion, and Search Engine rewrites. Also made me responsible for future udpates / patches. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 9:30:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DFD37B4DA for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD81E43E3B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77GU2JU018288 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77GU29W018287; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B2037B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F4443E65 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77GOIOT081675 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77GOI5A081674; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208071624.g77GOI5A081674@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/41414: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41414 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Update to current projects page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Aug 07 09:30:02 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Anderson >Release: 4.5-REL >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD proton.centtech.com 4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 28 14:31:56 GMT 2002 >Description: Updated the current-projects page (located at: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/current.html ) to note small changes in projects - like the Handbook 2nd Edition completion, and Search Engine rewrites. Also made me responsible for future udpates / patches. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch follows: --- current.sgml Sat Mar 16 02:13:32 2002 +++ current.sgml-patch Fri Aug 2 07:57:25 2002 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@

Here are the projects currently under way (or being actively contemplated on the freebsd-doc mailing list). I have also included some that have not really been talked about, but would probably be a - good idea. Each project lists the contact person for that + good idea. Each project lists the contact person for that project (if I know who it is).

If you think you can contribute to any of these, please do not @@ -19,13 +19,17 @@ person responsible for that particular project, who can then bring you up to speed on what is happening.

-

Any omissions in this list are entirely my fault (Nik Clayton, - <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>), sorry +

If you have ideas for worthwhile projects, please feel free to + submit your suggestions to (Eric Anderson, < + anderson@centtech.com>).

+ +

Any omissions in this list are entirely my fault (Eric Anderson, + <anderson@centtech.com>), sorry in advance to anyone whose project I have missed.

  • Open documentation problem reports
    • -
  • Handbook 2nd Printed Edition
    • +
  • Handbook 2nd Printed Edition (COMPLETE!)
  • FreeBSD for Linux users
  • Write a section in the Handbook and/or FAQ
  • Write some new Papers
    • @@ -175,7 +179,7 @@

    Search engine enhancements

    -

    Responsible: <doc@FreeBSD.org>

    +

    Responsible: <anderson@centtech.com>

    When searching the website, the output from the search engine includes the filename that was found, which might be something like @@ -183,6 +187,9 @@

    It would be more useful if the results included the question text, allowing the user to see whether or not the result was relevant.

    + +

    This project is underway, and you can see current progress by going to: + http://www.sprawler.com.

    FreeBSD Documentation Project Home &footer >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 10:40: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E5137B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD9843E4A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77He3JU033227 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77He3qI033226; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208071740.g77He3qI033226@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Eric Anderson Subject: Re: docs/41414: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Reply-To: Eric Anderson Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/41414; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, anderson@centtech.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/41414: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:30:07 -0500 Duplicate of 41413. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 10:40:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E99937B405 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33CB43E4A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77He5JU033239 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77He50P033236; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208071740.g77He50P033236@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Eric Anderson Subject: Re: docs/41413: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Reply-To: Eric Anderson Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/41413; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, anderson@centtech.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/41413: [PATCH] Update to current projects page Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:30:43 -0500 Patch: --- current.sgml Sat Mar 16 02:13:32 2002 +++ current.sgml-patch Fri Aug 2 07:57:25 2002 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@

    Here are the projects currently under way (or being actively contemplated on the freebsd-doc mailing list). I have also included some that have not really been talked about, but would probably be a - good idea. Each project lists the contact person for that + good idea. Each project lists the contact person for that project (if I know who it is).

    If you think you can contribute to any of these, please do not @@ -19,13 +19,17 @@ person responsible for that particular project, who can then bring you up to speed on what is happening.

    -

    Any omissions in this list are entirely my fault (Nik Clayton, - <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>), sorry +

    If you have ideas for worthwhile projects, please feel free to + submit your suggestions to (Eric Anderson, < + anderson@centtech.com>).

    + +

    Any omissions in this list are entirely my fault (Eric Anderson, + <anderson@centtech.com>), sorry in advance to anyone whose project I have missed.

    • Open documentation problem reports
      • -
    • Handbook 2nd Printed Edition
      • +
    • Handbook 2nd Printed Edition (COMPLETE!)
    • FreeBSD for Linux users
    • Write a section in the Handbook and/or FAQ
    • Write some new Papers
      • @@ -175,7 +179,7 @@

      Search engine enhancements

      -

      Responsible: <doc@FreeBSD.org>

      +

      Responsible: <anderson@centtech.com>

      When searching the website, the output from the search engine includes the filename that was found, which might be something like @@ -183,6 +187,9 @@

      It would be more useful if the results included the question text, allowing the user to see whether or not the result was relevant.

      + +

      This project is underway, and you can see current progress by going to: + http://www.sprawler.com.

      FreeBSD Documentation Project Home &footer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 11:30:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6267A37B444 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733C243E91 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77IU5JU043851 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77IU5uk043850; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E9037B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146B643E70 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77ITSOT094490 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77ITSIH094489; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208071829.g77ITSIH094489@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/41420: [PATCH] Update to FAQ (Funny part) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41420 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Update to FAQ (Funny part) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Aug 07 11:30:05 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Anderson >Release: 4.5-REL >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD proton.centtech.com 4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 28 14:31:56 GMT 2002 >Description: Small patches to fix simulation->stimulation and the total count isn't correct - note the line that says "Nine (including the PR originators) to ask "what is MFC?";" - which means 6, plus the previously counted 3. This is some funny stuff.. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch below: --- book.sgml Mon Jul 29 05:10:43 2002 +++ book.sgml-patch Wed Aug 7 13:09:10 2002 @@ -11642,7 +11642,7 @@ - One thousand, one hundred and seventy-two: + One thousand, one hundred and sixty-nine: Twenty-three to complain to -CURRENT about the lights being out; @@ -11781,7 +11781,7 @@ receive a little piece of food. Video cards turn data into pixie-food, and then send them to the pixies - the more expensive the card, the better the food, so the better - behaved the pixies are. They also need constant simulation + behaved the pixies are. They also need constant stimulation - this is why screen savers exist. To take your suggestions further, you could just throw >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 11:36:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2B037B400; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E377E43E65; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (cjc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77IaTJU044492; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77IaT07044488; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200208071836.g77IaT07044488@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cjc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/41263: [PATCH] Clarifications and minor grammer changes to Upgrading Ports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Clarifications and minor grammer changes to Upgrading Ports Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: cjc Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Aug 7 11:34:54 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=41263 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 11:48:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B499037B400; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [208.210.80.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E21A43E42; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from blues.jpj.net (localhost.jpj.net [127.0.0.1]) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g77Im3ot099224; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:48:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g77Im3Mh099221; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:48:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: blues.jpj.net: trevor owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Chern Lee Cc: Ceri Davies , Marc Fonvieille , Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" In-Reply-To: <20020729050409.J20453-100000@www.freebsdmall.com> Message-ID: <20020807093534.M70872-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chern Lee wrote: > Might I add, to confirm some of the earlier mention. > > Murray and I had decided to standardize on CDROM back in September of 2001 > or so. > > Reasons being: > 1. More occurances of CDROM over CD-ROM Occasionally, people call me "Kevin" or "Travis," but no matter how often they do so, those are not my names. > 2. History of FreeBSD with Walnut Creek CDROM Since that company no longer exists, and its successor no longer distributes FreeBSD, there will likely be very few new references to it. I've taken care not to change its name or domain to "Walnut Creek CD-ROM" or "cd-rom.com." We are able to have slight variations in names elsewhere, such as in the names of committers (Mike versus Mark versus Marc, for instance). > All of Walnut Creek's products were CDROMs, and still are CDROMs under > FreeBSD Mall. Suppose for a moment that "CD-ROM" is the correct name for such a disk. Also suppose that a user knows this. The less often this user sees "CDROM," the more favorable will be the user's impression, I would expect. If the user does not know or care, most likely the user would be oblivious to a situation where the distributor's labels and printed manuals differ from the contents of the disks. If "CD-ROM" is incorrect, then of course things should be left as they are. I took a look at FreeBSD Mall's Web pages, and did not see any products with "CDROM" in their names. Supposing that my proposal were accepted, I don't feel that it would cause much hardship for FreeBSD Mall, regardless of whether they choose to revise their labels and manuals. > I also believe there should be an agreement between the documentation and > the source. > > This comes to my attention first: > > dmesg | grep CDROM > acd0: CDROM at ata1-master PIO4 The patch I submitted today would change this kind of textual output in several places. A caveat is that I haven't tested it. > But, digging deeper... CDROM is mentioned more than double the times > CD-ROM in the source. > > Unfortunately, CDROM is often used over CD-ROM in function names, macros, > etc. There were about 170 of these cases. The fact that the "-" would be treated as subtraction seemed like a compelling reason to leave those alone. > After removing incidents from src/contrib files and release notes: > > CDROM ~185 > CD-ROM ~250 > > CD-ROM is obviously more abundant throughout the source tree -- in > "strings", comments, non-code files, etc. So, this would be a leading > argument for a change. > > More importantly, however, CDROM is the word of choice in Sysinstall and > other more noticable FreeBSD locations. In my second patch, I propose to change the sysinstall display. I haven't tested it yet. > FreeBSD is marketed on 'CDROM' by most (if not all) of the FreeBSD > vendors, including what is resold in computer superstores such as Fry's > and CompUSA. > > IMHO, we should leave it as it is. > > Just my 2 cents. > > - chern -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 11:55:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F7537B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.redlinenetworks.com (mail.redlinenetworks.com [216.136.145.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5B543E3B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@redlinenetworks.com) Received: from redlinenetworks.com (melkor.redlinenetworks.com [192.168.0.8]) by mail.redlinenetworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g77IsBY54781; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@redlinenetworks.com) Message-ID: <3D516F09.7080901@redlinenetworks.com> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:03:37 -0700 From: Scott Sewall Organization: Redline Networks, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Updating the FAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are not the correct receipient for FAQ updates, please forward. Please update the following section: Section 9.10 How can I use the NT loader to boot FreeBSD? For windows 2000 Server, the correct commands to modify the attributes for boot.ini are: attrib -h -s c:\boot.ini and attrib +s +h c:\boot.ini I'm not sure if thge order of the arguments is important, but that's the order I used. Otherwise the procedure works great for dual booting FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE and Windows 2000 Server. -- Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 12: 0:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8507637B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF6E43E3B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g77J0N916394; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:00:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g77J0NA07723; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:00:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g77J0Ko07716; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D516E44.5050903@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:00:20 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Sewall Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating the FAQ References: <3D516F09.7080901@redlinenetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Scott for the update. In the future, you can submit this update with the PR submit page, here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html or via send-pr on your FreeBSD box. This helps everyone keep track of the update, and make sure it gets done. If you would like, you can submit this now (before someone else jumps to it). Eric Scott Sewall wrote: > > If you are not the correct receipient for FAQ updates, please forward. > > Please update the following section: Section 9.10 How can I use the NT > loader to boot FreeBSD? > > For windows 2000 Server, the correct commands to modify the attributes > for boot.ini are: > > attrib -h -s c:\boot.ini > > and > > attrib +s +h c:\boot.ini > > I'm not sure if thge order of the arguments is important, but that's the > order I used. > > Otherwise the procedure works great for dual booting FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE > and Windows 2000 Server. > > -- Scott > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 13: 2:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CF237B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.redlinenetworks.com (mail.redlinenetworks.com [216.136.145.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7B343E65 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@redlinenetworks.com) Received: from redlinenetworks.com (melkor.redlinenetworks.com [192.168.0.8]) by mail.redlinenetworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g77K0nY56672; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@redlinenetworks.com) Message-ID: <3D517EA7.3050304@redlinenetworks.com> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:10:15 -0700 From: Scott Sewall Organization: Redline Networks, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating the FAQ References: <3D516F09.7080901@redlinenetworks.com> <3D516E44.5050903@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Done. Eric Anderson wrote: > Thanks Scott for the update. In the future, you can submit this > update with the PR submit page, here: > http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html > or via send-pr on your FreeBSD box. > > This helps everyone keep track of the update, and make sure it gets done. > > If you would like, you can submit this now (before someone else jumps > to it). > > Eric > > > Scott Sewall wrote: > >> >> If you are not the correct receipient for FAQ updates, please forward. >> >> Please update the following section: Section 9.10 How can I use the >> NT loader to boot FreeBSD? >> >> For windows 2000 Server, the correct commands to modify the >> attributes for boot.ini are: >> >> attrib -h -s c:\boot.ini >> >> and >> >> attrib +s +h c:\boot.ini >> >> I'm not sure if thge order of the arguments is important, but that's >> the order I used. >> >> Otherwise the procedure works great for dual booting FreeBSD >> 4.6-RELEASE and Windows 2000 Server. >> >> -- Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 13:10:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4D337B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B122043E70 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77KA1JU062513 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77KA1kL062512; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6B737B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D585A43E6E for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77K1dOT013544 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77K1dNj013537; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208072001.g77K1dNj013537@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Sewall To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/41423: Update FAQ: attrib command for windows dual boot Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41423 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update FAQ: attrib command for windows dual boot >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Aug 07 13:10:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Scott Sewall >Release: 4.6-RELEASE >Organization: Bugs 'R' Us >Environment: N/A >Description: Please update the following section: Section 9.10 How can I use the NT loader to boot FreeBSD? For windows 2000 Server, the correct commands to modify the attributes for boot.ini are: attrib -h -s c:\boot.ini and attrib +s +h c:\boot.ini I'm not sure if the order of the arguments is important, but that's the order I used. Otherwise the procedure works great for dual booting FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE and Windows 2000 Server. The only attributes set are H and S. The file is not marked readonly. -- Scott >How-To-Repeat: 1) Install Windows 2000 Server 2) log in as Administrator 3) Start Command Prompt window 4) Enter command 'attrib -s -r c:\boot.ini' The command fails. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 15:20: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D2837B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA54F43E3B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g77MK3JU082445 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g77MK3np082444; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208072220.g77MK3np082444@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Scott Sewall Subject: Re: docs/41423: Update FAQ: attrib command for windows dual boot Reply-To: Scott Sewall Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/41423; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Scott Sewall To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, sewall@ix.netcom.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/41423: Update FAQ: attrib command for windows dual boot Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:26:02 -0700 The error message from the attrib command is 'Not resetting hidden file'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 17:22:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F78C37B400 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4FB43E84 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g780MgOT051981 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g780Mgmw051980 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: World Wide Web Owner Message-Id: <200208080022.g780Mgmw051980@www.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> releases/4.6.1R ===> releases/4.7R ===> releases/5.0R ===> releases/5.0R/DP1 ===> releng ===> smp ===> conspectus ===> conspectus/stable ===> conspectus/stable/2000 ===> conspectus/stable/2000/05 ===> conspectus/stable/2000/06 ===> conspectus/advocacy ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000 ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000/11 ===> gnome /usr/local/bin/xsltproc -o index.html /w/www/build/www/en/gnome/index.xsl /w/www/build/www/en/gnome/news.xml /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null -asxml index.html ===> gnome/docs ===> gnome/images ===> gnome/patches *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> donations ===> ports cd /w/www/build/www/en/ports; make -f /w/www/build/www/en/ports/Makefile.inc0 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/usr/local/bin/jade:/w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml:1001:8:E: general entity "a.njl" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en/doc. *** Error code 1 (ignored) *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en. 16.32 real 11.76 user 1.57 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 20:42:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4C537B400; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F43A43E6A; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g783g6JU028969; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g783g1F8028965; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200208080342.g783g1F8028965@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jylefort@brutele.be, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37759: 'make libraries' in the Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: 'make libraries' in the Handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Aug 7 20:39:56 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Closed, mainly due to: Lack of reply from submitter Makefile seems to describe all the options for 'special building cases' 'make libraries' is not a requirement as make world/buildworld does this http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 7 20:45:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889F237B400; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4A143E72; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g783jrJU029145; Wed, 7 Aug 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the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 7:20: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA3D37B400 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8831643E86 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g78EK2JU043248 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g78EK2Be043247; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2700337B400 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4FB43E5E for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g78EG7OT038384 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g78EG7Ve038382; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208081416.g78EG7Ve038382@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Anderson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/41449: [PATCH] Missing word in DNS info in Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41449 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Missing word in DNS info in Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Aug 08 07:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Anderson >Release: 4.5-REL >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD proton.centtech.com 4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 28 14:31:56 GMT 2002 >Description: Missing word (I suspect FreeBSD or UNIX) in analogy of DNS root ".". >How-To-Repeat: Go to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/dns.html and look at section 17.9.2 Terminology in the sentence about "root zone". >Fix: Patch attached: --- chapter.sgml Thu Aug 8 09:11:10 2002 +++ chapter.sgml-patch Thu Aug 8 09:04:42 2002 @@ -3831,7 +3831,7 @@ literally, a ., refers to the root, or beginning zone. All zones fall under this, as - do all files in FreeBSD fall under the root directory. It is + do all files in fall under the root directory. It is the beginning of the Internet zone hierarchy. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 12:29:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F1D37B400 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from posti.pp.htv.fi (posti.pp.htv.fi [212.90.64.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42C743E70 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scop@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cs78128057.pp.htv.fi ([62.78.128.57]) by posti.pp.htv.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78JTQH08255 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:29:26 +0300 (EETDST) Subject: Linking to handbook From: Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 08 Aug 2002 22:29:36 +0300 Message-Id: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, what's the official/correct/recommended way of linking to the Handbook from web, under : 1) /handbook/ 2) /doc/handbook/ 3) /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ 4) [something else, please fill in] TIA, --=20 \/ille Skytt=E4 scop at FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 12:39:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F6C37B400; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.datanet.hu (mx3.datanet.hu [194.149.13.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5906C43E72; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-1318.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.93.48]) by mx3.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id AF5581EA267; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78JdiBE008771; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78JdiOR008770; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:43 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: scop@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linking to handbook Message-ID: <20020808193943.GD1434@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, scop@freebsd.org References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:29:36PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > Hi, > > what's the official/correct/recommended way of linking to the Handbook > from web, under : > > 1) /handbook/ > 2) /doc/handbook/ > 3) /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ I'd opt for this variant. This has worked for a long amount of time and AFAIK is not due to change any time soon. It is just more trouble to type, which is why the attempt was made to offer shortcuts. Bonus: if you have the docs installed locally, you can just swap the name of the FreeBSD mirror with file:/usr/share and you should get the same document. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 13: 5:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4CB37B400; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9622943E84; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (marduk.blackend.org [192.168.1.202]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g78K4Td0006628; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:04:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78K60Nm012125; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:06:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@localhost.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78K60O1012124; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:06:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:05:59 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Ville_Skytt=E4?= Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linking to handbook Message-ID: <20020808220559.A9204@marduk.blackend.org> References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org>; from scop@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:29:36PM +0300 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:29:36PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > Hi, > > what's the official/correct/recommended way of linking to the Handbook > from web, under : > > 1) /handbook/ Old link, wosh@ "re-added" it through mod_perl, it's really user-friendly but it's not good to use it nowadays :) > 2) /doc/handbook/ Works, after a talk with some committers, we chose to avoid it. I used it to correct links in some docs, however I will avoid it in future even if it's an easy one. > 3) /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The chosen one :) That one is interesting cause if you want the same doc in another language (if the doc is available) you just have to ajust the "locale" name. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 13:27: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0515437B400; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from posti.pp.htv.fi (posti.pp.htv.fi [212.90.64.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD68243E4A; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scop@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cs78128057.pp.htv.fi ([62.78.128.57]) by posti.pp.htv.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78KQtH20414; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:26:55 +0300 (EETDST) Subject: Re: Linking to handbook From: Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Szilveszter Adam In-Reply-To: <20020808220559.A9204@marduk.blackend.org> References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> <20020808220559.A9204@marduk.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 08 Aug 2002 23:27:05 +0300 Message-Id: <1028838426.14159.570.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 23:05, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > what's the official/correct/recommended way of linking to the Handbook > > from web, under : > >=20 > > 1) /handbook/ >=20 > Old link, wosh@ "re-added" it through mod_perl, it's really > user-friendly but it's not good to use it nowadays :) >=20 > > 2) /doc/handbook/ >=20 > Works, after a talk with some committers, we chose to avoid it. > I used it to correct links in some docs, however I will avoid it in > future even if it's an easy one. >=20 > > 3) /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ >=20 > The chosen one :) >=20 > That one is interesting cause if you want the same doc in another > language (if the doc is available) you just have to ajust the "locale" > name. Thanks, I'll use this one. Hmm, wouldn't it be neat if 1) or 2) then would detect the browser's locale and redirect to the "correct" locale version (this might already be the case, haven't checked). This could then be the recommended way if a specific locale isn't important; one could always request explicitly using 3). Of course, the redirector would have to know which versions are available. Is this documented somewhere BTW...? --=20 \/ille Skytt=E4 scop at FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 14: 0:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF7F37B400; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10D43E65; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (marduk.blackend.org [192.168.1.202]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g78Kxtd0006780; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:59:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78L1RNm012970; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@localhost.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78L1R1I012969; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:26 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Ville_Skytt=E4?= Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linking to handbook Message-ID: <20020808230126.B9204@marduk.blackend.org> References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> <20020808220559.A9204@marduk.blackend.org> <1028838426.14159.570.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1028838426.14159.570.camel@bobcat.ods.org>; from scop@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:05PM +0300 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:05PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > Thanks, I'll use this one. > > Hmm, wouldn't it be neat if 1) or 2) then would detect the browser's > locale and redirect to the "correct" locale version (this might already > be the case, haven't checked). This could then be the recommended way > if a specific locale isn't important; one could always request > explicitly using 3). > > Of course, the redirector would have to know which versions are > available. You can reach some of available version from www.FreeBSD.org mainpage in choosing "Language: Japanese, Spanish, Russian, Other" at the top. It would be interesting if the translated versions were up-to-date, for the moment it's not the case. So letting people choose between the en_US and the translated version is the good choice. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 8 14: 5:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3AC37B400; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (pc-80-194-99-103-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [80.194.99.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09CB43E70; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g78L5ATk062170; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:05:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g78L5BhB001645; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:05:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g78L5BJB001644; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:05:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:05:11 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Ville =?iso-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linking to handbook Message-ID: <20020808210511.GI71774@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VLAOICcq5m4DWEYr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VLAOICcq5m4DWEYr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:29:36PM +0300, Ville Skytt=E4 wrote: > 3) /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ That one. 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1001); 9 Aug 2002 01:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020809010846.50173.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:08:24 -0300 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Alexey Zelkin , Will Andrews Subject: Add "Using KDE" text to porter's handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-Disclaimer: I hope you find what you are looking for... in life :) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, This patch adds some entries to the empty "Using KDE" section. These entries were revised by some kde developers but I am CCing Will Andrews who acts as liason to KDE in the proj. This is just a little start on a section to the porters handbook. Patch against doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml As often, please revise content, text, grammar and tagging. Regards, -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." Computer Science Undergraduate | FreeBSD Committer | CS Developer flames to beloved devnull@someotherworldbeloworabove.org feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="patch-book.sgml" --- book.sgml.orig Thu Aug 8 20:58:02 2002 +++ book.sgml Thu Aug 8 21:56:46 2002 @@ -2831,7 +2831,61 @@ Using KDE - + + Variables for ports that use KDE + + + + + USE_QT_VER + + The port uses Qt toolkit. Possible values are + 1, 2 and 3; each specify the + major version of Qt to use. Sets both + MOC and + QTCPPFLAGSto default appropriate + values. + + + + USE_KDELIBS_VER + + The port uses KDE libraries. Possible values are + 1, 2 and 3; each specify the + major version of KDE to use. Implies + USE_QT_VER of the appropriate + version. + + + + USE_KDEBASE_VER + + The port uses KDE base. Possible values are + 1, 2 and 3; each specify the + major version of KDE to use. Implies + USE_KDELIBS_VER of the appropriate + version. + + + + MOC + + Set to the path of moc. + Default set according to USE_QT_VER + value. + + + + QTCPPFLAGS + + Set the CPPFLAGS to use when + processing Qt code. Default set according to + USE_QT_VER value. + + + +
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      ----=859CBCA08C2944918649_45E1_04D4_EB8D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 2: 1:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F95E37B400; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A949943E77; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (marduk.blackend.org [192.168.1.202]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g7990eIb010746; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:00:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7992CqD006658; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:02:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@localhost.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7991tom006657; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:01:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:01:55 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Alexey Zelkin , Will Andrews Subject: Re: Add "Using KDE" text to porter's handbook Message-ID: <20020809110155.A6556@marduk.blackend.org> References: <20020809010846.50173.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020809010846.50173.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here>; from lioux@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:08:24PM -0300 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 10:08:24PM -0300, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: > Hi, Hi, > > This patch adds some entries to the empty "Using KDE" > section. These entries were revised by some kde developers but I > am CCing Will Andrews who acts as liason to KDE in the proj. > > This is just a little start on a section to the porters > handbook. > > Patch against doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml > > As often, please revise content, text, grammar and tagging. > Committed :) I just changed tags for variables values to "literal" ones. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 2:38:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE39E37B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ace.kodeks.net (ace.kodeks.net [195.133.234.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091E343E42 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vp@piter.net) Received: from tibet (pauk.kodeks.net [195.133.234.194]) by ace.kodeks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g799d4x5002311 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:39:08 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <003701c23f91$1566ed70$a70010ac@tibet> From: "Vladimir Potemin" To: Subject: =?koi8-r?B?98/Q0s/TLi4u?= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:39:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ðÏÍÏÇÉÔÅ ÒÁÚÏÂÒÁÔØÓÑ... ñ ÎÁÞÉÔÁÌÓÑ ×ÓÑËÏÊ ×ÓÑÞÉÎÙ É ÒÅÛÉÌ ÐÏÓÔÁ×ÉÔØ FreeBSD, ÐÏÓÔÁ×ÉÔØ ÕÄÁÌÏÓØ, ÎÏ ÂÅÚ ÓÅÔÅ×ÏÇÏ ÁÄÁÐÔÅÒÁ, ÐÅÒÅÎÅÓÑ ×ÉÎÔ ÎÁ ÄÒÕÇÕÀ ÍÁÛÉÎÕ ËÏÔÏÒÁÑ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÞÁÓÔØÀ ÓÅÔÉ Ó ËÏÎÔÒÏÌÅÒÏÍ ÄÏÍÅÎÁ ÎÁ WinNT 4.0 ÄÁ ÅÝÅ É Ó ÄÉÎÁÍÉÞÅÓËÉÍ ×ÙÄÅÌÅÎÉÅÍ ÁÄÒÅÓÏ×, Ñ ÅÅ ÚÁÐÕÓÔÉÌ. úÁÐÕÓÔÉÌÁÓØ ÂÅÚ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍ, ÎÏ ÂÅÄÁ × ÔÏÍ, ÞÔÏ Ñ ÎÅ ÚÎÁÀ ÞÔÏ ÔÅÐÅÒØ ÄÅÌÁÔØ ÞÔÏÂÙ ÏÎÁ ÓÔÁÌÁ ÞÁÓÔÀ ÓÅÔÉ... ðÏÍÏÇÉÔÅ ÓÏ×ÅÔÏÍ... ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ ðÏÔÅÍÉÎ. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 7:18:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D840037B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DC643E77 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C46A3F28 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: docs@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:18:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: handbook: serial console nit Message-ID: <3D5396F0.19822.26FB8B52@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, At doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html, I'm finding this in section "15.6.2 Serial Console Configuration", under step 5, option -D: However, that the dual console configuration takes effect only during the boot block is running. There is a word missing, perhaps "note", after the comma. -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 9:57:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DB137B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6CA43E77 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (marduk.blackend.org [192.168.1.202]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g79GukrW012293; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:56:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from marduk.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79GwNlw001010; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:58:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@localhost.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by marduk.blackend.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79GwM0O001009; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:58:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:58:22 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Dan Langille Cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook: serial console nit Message-ID: <20020809185822.A866@marduk.blackend.org> References: <3D5396F0.19822.26FB8B52@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D5396F0.19822.26FB8B52@localhost>; from dan@langille.org on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0400 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > Hi folks, > > At doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html, I'm > finding this in section "15.6.2 Serial Console Configuration", under > step 5, option -D: > > However, that the dual console configuration takes effect only > during the boot block is running. > > There is a word missing, perhaps "note", after the comma. Fixed in revision 1.65 of the file, thanks :) Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 10:23:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9CF37B400; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.opentrade.cl (50-126-141.leased.cust.tie.cl [200.50.126.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFF443E65; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jseverino@fritz.cl) Received: from pc ([192.168.1.10]) by www.opentrade.cl (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g79HQgQU014207; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007201c23fc9$e9e572a0$0a01a8c0@opentrade.cl> Reply-To: "Jorge Severino Diaz" From: "Jorge Severino Diaz" To: , , , , , , , References: <002e41b25c8d$8136a1a1$0cb05bc1@eqliec> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:26:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 12:38:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1613037B400; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.datanet.hu (mx1.datanet.hu [194.149.13.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CCB43E65; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-1257.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.92.241]) by mx1.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id 81FA826A6CA; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:38:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JbWj3001267; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:37:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JbV4g001266; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:37:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:37:31 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: Ville =?iso-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= Cc: Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linking to handbook Message-ID: <20020809193731.GA1195@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , Ville =?iso-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= , Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1028834976.14162.539.camel@bobcat.ods.org> <20020808220559.A9204@marduk.blackend.org> <1028838426.14159.570.camel@bobcat.ods.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1028838426.14159.570.camel@bobcat.ods.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:05PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > Thanks, I'll use this one. Good. > Hmm, wouldn't it be neat if 1) or 2) then would detect the browser's > locale and redirect to the "correct" locale version (this might already > be the case, haven't checked). It isn't and this is on purpose. In order to not make the job of www mirror maintainers harder than is absolutely necessary, any solution that is bound to a specific server software or setup is consciously avoided. This applies to redirects as well as eg active content on the site which is also kept at an absolute minimum. As far as possible, the site should even be usable without a server from you local disk to facilitate development. > This could then be the recommended way > if a specific locale isn't important; one could always request > explicitly using 3). > > Of course, the redirector would have to know which versions are > available. It would be possible to do this, but imho not in a server-independent static way. > Is this documented somewhere BTW...? Not much, but you can read abou similar discussions in the archives of this mailing list. (freebsd-doc). Use keyword: "redirect" that should catch most of them. All the best! -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 17:51: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E09137B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from probilling.com (CLGRAB49-NETI02.ab.tac.net [216.123.210.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D904C43E4A for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@probilling.com) From: "steve@probilling.com" To: "doc@freebsd.org" Subject: Low cost online credit card processing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="= Multipart Boundary 0809021850" Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:50:57 -0600 Reply-To: "steve@probilling.com" Message-Id: <20020810005104.D904C43E4A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multipart MIME message. --= Multipart Boundary 0809021850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --= Multipart Boundary 0809021850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings from proBilling








       

      --= Multipart Boundary 0809021850-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 9 19:30:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E697B37B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47843E65 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7A2U2JU028876 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g7A2U2No028875; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CAF37B400 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guest.reppep.com (guest.reppep.com [64.81.19.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE71343E86 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:26:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@reppep.com) Received: by guest.reppep.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 9BC6FFFF5; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20020810022700.9BC6FFFF5@guest.reppep.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Pepper Reply-To: Chris Pepper To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: srb@cuci.nl, guenther@sendmail.com X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41497: Problems in /usr/local/man/man1/procmail.1.gz Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41497 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Problems in /usr/local/man/man1/procmail.1.gz >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Aug 09 19:30:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Chris Pepper >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD guest.reppep.com 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #3: Fri Jul 26 19:51:33 EDT 2002 root@guest.reppep.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: "SH EXAMPLES" section is run up against preceding para. semicolon is >How-To-Repeat: man procmail -- see: .B \-m Turns procmail into a general purpose mail filter. In this mode one rcfile must be specified on the command line. After the rcfile, procmail will accept an unlimited number of arguments. If the rcfile is an absolute path starting with .B /usr/local/etc/procmailrcs/ without backward references (i.e. the parent directory cannot be mentioned) proc mail will, only if no security violations are found, take on the identity of the owner of the rcfile (or symbolic link). For some advanced usage of this option you should look in the .B EXAMPLES section below..SH ARGUMENTS Any arguments containing an '=' are considered to be environment variable assignments, they will .I all be evaluated after the default values have been assigned and before the first rcfile is opened. rendered as: -m Turns procmail into a general purpose mail filter. In this mode one rcfile must be specified on the com- mand line. After the rcfile, procmail will accept an unlimited number of arguments. If the rcfile is an absolute path starting with /usr/local/etc/procmail- rcs/ without backward references (i.e. the parent directory cannot be mentioned) procmail will, only if no security violations are found, take on the iden- tity of the owner of the rcfile (or symbolic link). 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Message-ID: <20020810100457.GO71774@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200208051455.HAA18220@eskimo.com> <3D4E9C88.7040308@centtech.com> <3D4E9E06.8000201@pittgoth.com> <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D4E9E8E.8080505@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 10:49:34AM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > WO! I'm not suggesting the ports committers would do this in addition! 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Aug 2002 07:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208101409.HAA25995@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: anderson@centtech.com, darklogik@pittgoth.com, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, cjuniet@entreview.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020810100457.GO71774@clan.nothing-going-on.org> (message from Nik Clayton on Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:04:57 +0100) Subject: Re: docs/41106: FreeBSD Handbook lacks "Desktop Applications" chapter. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >This sounds like the sort of thing that Dan Langille's FreshPorts site >could do, and do well. I think moderated comments of freshports could go a long way to it. As for reviews/quickstart guides and so on, this could be done as links inside the comments, or as giant comments themselves. I think, to get at the functionality that I'd really like to see, I'd suggest the following two things be considered (possibly added later): 1) allow the self-marking of comments by one of a discrete set of KINDs (maybe moderator overrides the KIND): bug bug fix wish list new development REVIEW HOWTO COOL TRICK TUTORIAL (some list like this -- these particular topic names I pulled out of my butt, so don't take that seriously) I think this, and perhaps some filteration on this would be very helpful for trawlers. I'm not sure what sort of TTL comments should have, or how they should be removed when sufficiently dated... 2) Collect rudimentary stats on comments when in browse mode. That is, if I do a search on 'cd player' and I get a list of results, next to the name for each result, it would be nice to know what the counts are of each KIND of comment. Again, this is for the trawler who just wants to get a rough idea of how much use other people are making of the port. I'm not excited about actual rating systems, but seeing that this port has 7 HOWTO's and 10 COOL TRICK's might make me look at it before looking at a port with none...Even total comment count is a sign of user activity (though not the best one). The situation I'd like to address is the one I'm always in when I am looking for a port to do something and typically I have only the pkg-descr to tell me a little something and really not enough to decide between all the options, so I think that somehow propagating per port comment information into any browse-mode listing of ports in very helpful. It is nice that we do have so many options to choose from, unlike some monocultures, but with that we needs to improve our ability to choose among them. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 10 15:20:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D0437B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB0F43E4A for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7AMK2JU029184 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g7AMK2rn029183; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365CD37B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B9E43E3B for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9A001ABAE; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20020810221049.9A001ABAE@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:10:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Brueffer Reply-To: Christian Brueffer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41531: [PATCH] 4 minor fixes for articles/hubs Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41531 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] 4 minor fixes for articles/hubs >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Aug 10 15:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Brueffer >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #2: Fri Jun 28 12:47:08 CEST 2002 chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LORIEN i386 >Description: 4 minor fixes for articles/hubs (punctuation, spelling and a spare 'to') >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- hubs.diff begins here --- --- article.sgml.orig Tue Aug 6 00:48:45 2002 +++ article.sgml Tue Aug 6 01:03:36 2002 @@ -223,7 +223,7 @@ HTTP (required for webpages, optional for FTP fileset) If you want to offer the FreeBSD webpages, you need - to install a webserver a.k.a httpd. + to install a webserver a.k.a. httpd. You may optionally offer the FTP fileset via HTTP. The choice of Webserver software is left up to the mirror administrator. Some of the most popular choices are: @@ -727,8 +727,8 @@ Mirrors are organized by country. All official mirrors have a DNS entry of the form - ftpN.CC.freebsd.org. Whith - CC (i.e. country code) beeing the + ftpN.CC.freebsd.org. With + CC (i.e. country code) being the top level domain of the country, where this mirror is located; and N is a number, @@ -932,7 +932,7 @@ Tier-1 mirrors are required to: - to carry the complete fileset + carry the complete fileset allow access to other mirror sites provide FTP and RSYNC access --- hubs.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 10 16:10: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AC137B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A327D43E6A for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7ANA2JU036958 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g7ANA2GR036954; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4CE37B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2561D43E72 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4E39DABAE; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20020810230646.4E39DABAE@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:06:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Brueffer Reply-To: Christian Brueffer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41532: [PATCH] Two small fixes to books/design-44bsd Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41532 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Two small fixes to books/design-44bsd >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Aug 10 16:10:02 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Brueffer >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #2: Fri Jun 28 12:47:08 CEST 2002 chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LORIEN i386 >Description: - Add missing punctuation - Source-code\-control -> Source-code-control >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- design-44bsd.diff begins here --- --- book.sgml.orig Fri Aug 2 23:35:07 2002 +++ book.sgml Mon Aug 5 19:05:22 2002 @@ -579,7 +579,7 @@ (CPU) -- are available to only the kernel. Applications request services from the kernel with - system calls + system calls. System calls are used to cause the kernel to execute complicated operations, such as writing data to secondary storage, and simple operations, such as returning the current time of day. @@ -1986,7 +1986,7 @@ for intermediate binary object) is one to three characters, leaving 10 to 12 characters for the basename. - Source-code\-control systems and editors usually take up another + Source-code-control systems and editors usually take up another two characters, either as a prefix or a suffix, for their purposes, leaving eight to 10 characters. It is easy to use 10 or 12 characters in a single --- design-44bsd.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 10 16:40: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1775137B401 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4472F43E6A for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7ANe2JU039306 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g7ANe2va039305; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6529037B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054FA43E5E for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3BA0AABAE; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20020810233245.3BA0AABAE@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:32:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Brueffer Reply-To: Christian Brueffer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41533: [PATCH] Small case fix to handbook/backups/chapter.sgml Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41533 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Small case fix to handbook/backups/chapter.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Aug 10 16:40:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Brueffer >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #2: Fri Jun 28 12:47:08 CEST 2002 chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LORIEN i386 >Description: Postscript -> PostScript to conform to the FreeBSD / O'Reilly wordlist >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- handbook-backups.diff begins here --- --- chapter.sgml.orig Wed Aug 7 03:15:28 2002 +++ chapter.sgml Wed Aug 7 03:15:48 2002 @@ -437,7 +437,7 @@ Do nothing is the correct backup method for /usr/obj and other directory trees that can be exactly recreated by your computer. An example is the files that - comprise the HTML or Postscript version of this Handbook. + comprise the HTML or PostScript version of this Handbook. These document formats have been created from SGML input files. Creating backups of the HTML or PostScript files is not necessary. The SGML files are backed up regularly. --- handbook-backups.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 10 17:20:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069DB37B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C77D43E70 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7B0K2JU046575 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g7B0K2lH046574; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5337B400 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC52843E7B for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 34F43ABAE; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20020811001633.34F43ABAE@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:16:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Brueffer Reply-To: Christian Brueffer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/41534: [PATCH] Various fixes to books/porters-handbook/book.sgml Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 41534 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Various fixes to books/porters-handbook/book.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Aug 10 17:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Brueffer >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #2: Fri Jun 28 12:47:08 CEST 2002 chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LORIEN i386 >Description: - add missing tags - fix some typos and missing characters - grammar fixes >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- porters-handbook.diff begins here --- --- book.sgml.orig Fri Aug 9 17:56:36 2002 +++ book.sgml Sun Aug 11 02:09:49 2002 @@ -325,7 +325,7 @@ port_dir` in a bug report and send it with the &man.send-pr.1; program (see Bug Reports and General Commentary for more information about - &man.send-pr.1;. If the uncompressed port is larger than 20KB, + &man.send-pr.1;). If the uncompressed port is larger than 20KB, you should compress it into a tarfile and use &man.uuencode.1; before including it in the bug report (uuencoded tarfiles are acceptable even if the bug report is smaller than 20KB but are not @@ -1552,7 +1552,8 @@ textproc Text processing utilities. It does not include - desktop publishing tools, which go to print/. + desktop publishing tools, which go to + print. @@ -1603,7 +1604,7 @@ - x11 + x11 The X window system and friends. This category is only for software that directly supports the window system. Do not put regular X applications here. If your port is an X @@ -2264,7 +2265,7 @@ variable ${NONEXISTENT} as the first field of BUILD_DEPENDS or RUN_DEPENDS. Use this only when you need to - the to get to the source of the other port. You can often save + get to the source of the other port. You can often save compilation time by specifying the target too. For instance @@ -2291,8 +2292,8 @@ want those libraries or applications, the ports system provides hooks that the port author can use to decide which configuration should be built. Supporting these properly will - make uses happy, and effectively provide 2 or more ports for the - price of one. + make users happy, and effectively provide 2 or more ports for + the price of one. The easiest of these to use is WITHOUT_X11. If the port can be built both @@ -2341,7 +2342,7 @@ <makevar>WRKSRC</makevar> - The variable lists the name of the directoy that is created when + The variable lists the name of the directory that is created when the application's distfiles are extracted. If our previous example extracted into a directory called foo (and not foo-1.0) you would write: @@ -2431,8 +2432,8 @@ deinstallation will not cause the system to still believe the library is there. - If you need, you can override default location where the new - library is installed by defining LDCONFIG_DIRS + If you need, you can override the default location where the new + library is installed by defining the LDCONFIG_DIRS make variable, which should contain a list of directories into which shared libraries are to be installed. For example if your port installs shared libraries into @@ -3679,7 +3680,7 @@ PLIST_SUB variable with a list of VAR=VALUE pairs and instances of - %%VAR%%' will be + %%VAR%% will be substituted with VALUE in the pkg-plist. @@ -3803,7 +3804,7 @@ /usr/local), unless USE_X_PREFIX or USE_IMAKE is set, in which case it will be X11BASE (default - /usr/X11R6).) + /usr/X11R6). Not hard-coding /usr/local or /usr/X11R6 anywhere in the source will make the @@ -3831,7 +3832,7 @@ or correct use of LOCALBASE for references to files from other ports. Testing the installation in /var/tmp/port-name - to do that that while you have it installed would do that. + to do that while you have it installed would do that. Do not set USE_X_PREFIX unless your port truly requires it (i.e., it links against X libs or it needs to @@ -3868,8 +3869,9 @@ version from the original authors, first make sure you have the latest port. You can find them in the ports/ports-current directory of the FTP mirror - sites. You may also use CVSup to keep your whole ports collection - up-to-date, as described in the Handbook. + sites. You may also use CVSup to + keep your whole ports collection up-to-date, as described in + the Handbook.       The next step is to send a mail to the maintainer, if one is listed in the port's Makefile. That person may --- porters-handbook.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message