From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 23:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBED016A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (80-219-165-162.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.165.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056F543D75 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:41:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: from Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (ipv6.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk [2002:50db:a5a2:0:20e:2eff:fe06:2376]) (8.11.6/8.11.6-SPAMMERS-DeLiGHt) with ESMTP id i7DNfJC00955 verified NO) for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:41:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: (from beer@localhost) by Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (8.11.6/FNORD) id i7DNfIN00954; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:41:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:41:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200408132341.i7DNfIN00954@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: beer set sender to bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk using -f X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed from queue /tmp X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed by beer with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.cf-LOCAL From: Barry Bouwsma References: <200408072049.i77KneE00932@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <20040809.095023.103125553.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:50:37 +0000 Subject: Re: ISA card and if_ed as module X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:41:28 -0000 [keep replies to the list and I'll catch up later, thanks] > : Is it to be expected that the kernel if_ed.ko module appears to > : be unable to probe and attach an ISA NIC, while when I build the > Yes and No. If the ISA nic is PNP, it will just work. IF not, you > have to have the 'hints' in the kernel. I have the hints framework > backported, but I don't know if it was ever committed. Too old for pnp, so I'm out of luck there. I have hints on my -stable machine (for other reasons), and I can see that they show up in the `loader' environment, but that still isn't enough to probe the device. I'll assume this means that hints doesn't work (hasn't been backported) in -stable. Would it be possible for me to get a copy of your work to see if that's enough to make the NIC appear? A pointer would suffice -- particularly if others would want to try it -- unless you prefer to mail it. (I've looked quickly for obvious differences between -stable and -current that would be relevant but don't really see them) And yes, the NIC does show up in -current, so while part of the framework is in -stable, actually turning those environment hints into action just doesn't happen. thanks barry bouwsma