From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 22:04:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4023816A407 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007EA13C448 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l01Ls8t3010939; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <45998317.6060906@highperformance.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:54:31 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net References: <200612281601.kBSG1bMi057091@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200612281601.kBSG1bMi057091@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: Subject: Re: Static Link with Shared Object X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:04:15 -0000 That's just what I needed to fill in the gaps in my understanding. Thanks, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 09:41:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098C016A403 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from bali.sjc.webweaving.org (bali.sjc.webweaving.org [216.218.185.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E329313C43E for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from van-laarhoven.org (vea.xs4all.nl [194.109.247.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by bali.sjc.webweaving.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l039GroT042703; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: (nullmailer pid 1333 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:12:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:12:50 +0100 (CET) From: Nick Hibma X-X-Sender: nick@localhost To: "Jason C\. Wells" In-Reply-To: <20061218065638.GA61051@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: <20070103081048.V1136@localhost> References: <45862761.2000307@highperformance.net> <20061218065638.GA61051@mooseriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on bali.sjc.webweaving.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD Ripper Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:41:20 -0000 >> - configurable MP3 bitrate >> - CDDB lookup and a user definable naming convention >> - graphical interface or very sensible CLI >> - level normalization >> - good error handling > > Grip with cdparanoia If you set it up right you just have to insert the CD and grip will automatically rip it, contact CDDB, convert to MP3, etc. I've done 200+ CDs that way, while working at home. And it is highly configurable, including the split of ripping and encoding, which allows for large amounts of ripping during the day while encoding continues into the night (if you have a slow machine like I do). Nick From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:33:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A0316A403 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462BD13C441 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so4755889uge for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:33:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iD8saAHn8EiEbpu1wE4IDwRrlP7DKCCYHboIbRonJQCeSMJYmLtCEmklM1aEPe0otz9Gi8lKSbmJCfa8sCiooc4xKA7iFdk712bYmSfDY/YfGGn5pwjKzdtF6PwiWF/8/1nsDOEdswsisJ3tw14xKWfzgvXAA0hy9l3/eBh6krQ= Received: by 10.67.119.13 with SMTP id w13mr21256823ugm.1167887378383; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.118.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:09:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:09:38 +1100 From: Sunnz To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: What is the best supported Wireless card? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:33:55 -0000 I am looking to build a new desktop which is going to have wireless access through my router. I have been using Atheros's chipset with the ath drivers, yes it works... But after read this article: http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/293 I begin to think if there are better vendors out there? >From the article it seems that Ralink and Atmel are the most co-operative vendors to open source communities... So how good do you think they are? What drivers is used for those devices? Is it actually good? (Performance, stability wise.) What about the hardware? I have never heard of them... do they actually make quality products? Which vendor do you think is the best to use with FreeBSD? Cheers. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 06:02:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A38416A407 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 06:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A640613C43E for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 06:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15207; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:41:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200701040541.WAA15207@lariat.net> X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:41:18 -0700 To: Sunnz , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: What is the best supported Wireless card? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:02:03 -0000 At 10:09 PM 1/3/2007, Sunnz wrote: >I am looking to build a new desktop which is going to have wireless >access through my router. > >I have been using Atheros's chipset with the ath drivers, yes it works... > >But after read this article: http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/293 > >I begin to think if there are better vendors out there? > > From the article it seems that Ralink and Atmel are the most >co-operative vendors to open source communities... > >So how good do you think they are? The best for 802.11b (not g, alas) is undoubtedly the Intersil Prism 2.5 and kin. This is in large measure because the chipset contains a lot of embedded intelligence. The load on the host CPU is therefore very light and there's less opportunity for coding mistakes in the host driver. And the embedded firmware is now as about error-free as any wireless code is going to get. Atmel's 802.11b chipsets use the Intersil Prism, by the way. --Brett From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 14:29:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0437E16A403 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jsbowden@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74213C44B for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jsbowden@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so4842083uge for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:29:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ezEoHEUiZbM4tdT+Xv9CNQO4gnfXLgUlbfQjq03/hqCtjPwQtqbL0YJHP9D6kZbo/Eik6QDNfOZqaQRXmdD1ZrpZOADgCjfUTV557baArYOp4c1qKvRgODO5pnLVTeRxP+2FRbMHIjYTtSe16+MORN6uIcrnSPKIFnUkrj7hJiQ= Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr29793197ugh.1167919373172; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.238.3 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 06:02:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:02:52 -0500 From: "Jamie Bowden" Sender: jsbowden@gmail.com To: "soralx@cydem.org" In-Reply-To: <20061211075839.11bc0900@freen0de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200612041443.15154.josh@tcbug.org> <200612061006.56852.jhb@freebsd.org> <20061206134536.0c775367@freen0de> <200612061805.05727.jhb@freebsd.org> <20061211075839.11bc0900@freen0de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ff7c5030eb36b76 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Venting my frustration with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:33 -0000 On 12/11/06, soralx@cydem.org wrote: > > > > > 512-way machine? Scaling on a 512-way machine is quite a > > > > different ball of wax from scaling on 4-way, and scaling up to 32 > > > > and 64 is going to be another ball of wax as well. > > > can you give a few examples how scaling ability can be a function of > > > the number of cores? seems like my curiosity exceeds my imagination > > > today -- can't come up with any good reasons why this is true :) > > > > You may make different tradeoffs. For example, on a 4-cpu system, it > > may be fine to have certain data structures shared across CPUs and > > protected via a lock which avoids the overhead of multiple copies and > > complexity of updating multiple copies of a data structure. However, > > with a 512-way system you may have to resort to using duplicated > > per-cpu (or maybe per-cpu group) copies of a structure because the > > tradeoffs are different. > > Well, I see what you mean. However, as for this example, it should be > possible to always share data between CPU groups (that can be sized > dynamically), right? Thus, given an optimal dynamics algorithm, > performance would always be close to best possible? More generally, > it seems that some code may often be added to make the scaling > ability more or less independent of the quantity of processing units. > I still believe that an operating system that scales close to linearly > is possible. The question is, how big an overhaul FreeBSD needs for a > jump start to becoming of interest in the areas where performance & > scalability matter? Building a system that will scale up isn't simply a question of software. It's also a question of hardware architecture. I have, sitting about 16" to my left, a box of CDs containing Irix 6.5.30. I can use that set to install on anything from any single proc. MIPS4 (64bit clean MIPS R8000 and above) system all the way up to a 2048 processor Origin3x00, and it will be a single system image. SGI get away with this thanks to ccNUMA (Non Uniform Memory Access), which modularizes processor boards and the memory on them into discrete units. Each processor board or brick, depending on what hardware you're playing with, has (n) processors on it, and some amount of system RAM. When you run a program and load its associated data into memory, it's spread across multiple CPU boards/bricks (depending on how much memory it uses, of course). The runtime program actually moves across processors to the one closest to where you data is loaded in memory. The MIPS procs themselves have only L1 cache and each board/brick has a shared L2 cache. You no longer have to worry about cache coherence (at least, you have to worry a lot less). Here's a quick look at an Origin350 I have handy: 8:47am banshee /home/jamie %hinv 4 800 MHZ IP35 Processors CPU: MIPS R16000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.2 FPU: MIPS R16010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 2.2 Main memory size: 4096 Mbytes Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes Data cache size: 32 Kbytes Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 8 Mbytes Those four processors are on a single board and share the L2 cache and all system RAM. The same setup for an 8 processor system would require two chassis and a Craylink cable. So you'd have two of those, and a running application would jump across processor boards if your application was large enough that its data wouldn't fit in all the RAM on a single board. Onyx/Origin3x00 series are full rack sized systems (the Origin 3x0s are 2 RU boxes) and hold 64procs (128? It's been a while since I looked at the specs on a maxed out 3800) in a single rack, which can be Craylinked together in the same fashion. SGI is dead, long live SGI. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 04:06:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8992416A403 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 04:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275ED13C448 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 04:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so8042462nfc for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:05:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=O3T+De0DaubFKk+XKod6J+uR7kokiqD5ZTPF83vnlyGX6f7sTHB56ePz8nUv1REGcrc8MCcL5riUSl87nxzt9aTvjR5pyKW7+faQP9OjERU1a1LA2jzxC9/Izx/qKkAiv9KO4VfrUo8wvXJvSMpDWM0HgF25/TrfAsoW/DsSvyU= Received: by 10.78.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr3404641hud.1168054793319; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.135.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:39:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520701051939lfcdc03fh1623cb0731196fa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:39:53 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: New EVGA 680i Motherboard dmesg request X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:06:01 -0000 Here is a link for the New Evga 680i motherboard http://www.hardwarelogic.com/news/129/ARTICLE/1326/1/2006-12-19.html I am thinking of building 3 new machines based on this board is anyone running this on FreeBSD could anyone include a dmesg? Thank you Much Sam Fourman Jr.