From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 02:51:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846B916A418 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C29E13C459 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6P2LfN7017733 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:21:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id l6P2Lf3o017732 for small@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:21:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:21:41 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: small@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:51:51 -0000 Hi, Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in this area: Freesbie NanoBSD TinyBSD Are any of these particularly stronger than the other? If I was to start over, or recommend one to someone else, which would be the best these days? Thanks, ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org, mwlucas@FreeBSD.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Coming Soon: "Absolute FreeBSD" -- http://www.AbsoluteFreeBSD.com On 5/4/2007, the TSA kept 3 pairs of my soiled undies "for security reasons." From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 04:52:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA37A16A418 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ogautherot@vtr.net) Received: from vtr.cl (mail.cgp.vtr.net [200.83.2.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E19713C46B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ogautherot@vtr.net) Received: from [192.168.5.6] (HELO av5.vtr.cl) by fe2.vtr.cl (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 159150066 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:51:51 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1185335510-086a00110016-FBL6ss X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.168.5.6:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: mxfe4.cgp.vtr.net[192.168.6.5] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1185335510 Received: from vtr.cl (mxfe4.cgp.vtr.net [192.168.6.5]) by av5.vtr.cl (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 1B9876BC14 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:51:50 -0400 (CLT) Received: by fe4.vtr.cl (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 5.0.12) with PIPE id 159183162; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:51:50 -0400 X-NHContentFiltered: yes Received: from [190.160.233.20] (account ogautherot@vtr.net HELO olivierbb) by fe4.vtr.cl (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.12) with ESMTPA id 159183128 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:51:34 -0400 From: Olivier Gautherot To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:52:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda1 at vtr.cl X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.7 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.23695 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: olivier@gautherot.net List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:52:04 -0000 Hi Michael! On Tuesday 24 July 2007 22:21, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Hi, > > Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash > drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in > this area: > > Freesbie > NanoBSD > TinyBSD I've had a good experience with FreesBIE so I would recommend it but I'm sure others will defend NanoBSD and TinyBSD ;-) FreesBIE may be more CDROM oriented so Nano and Tiny are probably better guesses for Flash but I don't have first hand experience. Cheers Olivier > > Are any of these particularly stronger than the other? If I was to > start over, or recommend one to someone else, which would be the best > these days? > > Thanks, > ==ml -- Olivier Gautherot Email: olivier@gautherot.net LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ogautherot MSN: ogautherot@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 09:23:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AAA16A419 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: from vsmtp3.tin.it (vsmtp3.tin.it [212.216.176.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E419013C4CC for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: from rionda.dyndns.org (87.0.188.129) by vsmtp3.tin.it (7.3.122) id 4676699A02DD06C7 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:12:13 +0200 Received: from rionda.dyndns.org (rionda@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rionda.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6P9CCGv001874 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:12:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: (from rionda@localhost) by rionda.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l6P9CCXr001873 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:12:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rionda.dyndns.org: rionda set sender to matteo@freebsd.org using -f Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:12:11 +0200 From: Matteo Riondato To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070725091211.GA1704@kaiser.sig11.org> Mail-Followup-To: Matteo Riondato , freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:23:46 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:52:43PM -0400, Olivier Gautherot wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 22:21, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash > > drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in > > this area: > > > > Freesbie > > NanoBSD > > TinyBSD >=20 > I've had a good experience with FreesBIE so I would recommend it but I'm = sure=20 > others will defend NanoBSD and TinyBSD ;-) FreesBIE may be more CDROM=20 > oriented so Nano and Tiny are probably better guesses for Flash but I don= 't=20 > have first hand experience. I agree with your view. FreeSBIE is more CDROM oriented, still it can be used to build an image suitable for a flash card or an usb pen (check the "img" and "flash" maketargets of FreeSBIE) but my task for the summer is to make FreeSBIE even more flexible and make it easier to build images for Flash/USB. Best regards --=20 Matteo Riondato FreeBSD Committer (http://www.freebsd.org) G.U.F.I. Staff Member (http://www.gufi.org) FreeSBIE Developer (http://www.freesbie.org) --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGpxPr2Mp4pR7Fa+wRAiHFAJ9UUp6fYSke7Uw4vQb8ivQyBGHzPQCg0Xcm DTEcd61pXSgw2tMuXAXA/LM= =BRnU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 10:08:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0846116A41A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6890B13C45A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A52AF.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.82.175]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6P9Vmo8028232; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:32:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6P9VgpP005662; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:31:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6P9VgeB088253; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:31:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200707250931.l6P9VgeB088253@fire.js.berklix.net> To: olivier@gautherot.net In-reply-to: <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> Comments: In-reply-to Olivier Gautherot message dated "Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:52:43 -0400." Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:31:42 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:08:06 -0000 Olivier Gautherot wrote: > Hi Michael! > > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 22:21, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash > > drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in > > this area: > > > > Freesbie > > NanoBSD > > TinyBSD > > I've had a good experience with FreesBIE so I would recommend it but I'm sure > others will defend NanoBSD and TinyBSD ;-) FreesBIE may be more CDROM > oriented so Nano and Tiny are probably better guesses for Flash but I don't > have first hand experience. > > Cheers > Olivier > > > > > Are any of these particularly stronger than the other? If I was to > > start over, or recommend one to someone else, which would be the best > > these days? "How long is a piece of string" ;-) ie likely depends what size flash drive is ! My impression (non user) is Freesbie aims CD size, whereas Nano or Tiny aim [a lot] smaller ? man nanobsd: doesnt quote a typical size but does have SEE ALSO picobsd man picobsd: "which typically fits on a small media such as a floppy disk" "The biggest problem is determining what will fit on the floppies" Suggestion: run them, generate images & use send-pr to report approx default sizes to be included in manuals so we know for future. -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 10:16:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBBC16A417 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1D013C46B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from benji.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266082DE5D8; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by benji.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 248C9FD58; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:59:00 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: "Michael W. Lucas" Message-ID: <20070725095859.GA1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:16:46 -0000 On 2007.07.24 22:21:41 -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash > drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in > this area: > > Freesbie > NanoBSD > TinyBSD > > Are any of these particularly stronger than the other? If I was to > start over, or recommend one to someone else, which would be the best > these days? I personally use NanoBSD a lot and I have only very briefly looked at Freesbie's build framework (though I have used the normal publichsed LiveCD) and TinyBSD. I'm wrong on any points (especially TinyBSD / Freesbie) please correct me. TinyBSD uses binaries from the host systems, which makes it faster to build, but means you have to build images as the same type as your host environment. I very often cross build e.g. building 6-STABLE Nanobsd images on 7-CURRENT so I never really looked much at TinyBSD. Freesbie 2 is from what I hear a very flexible framework, but I haven't personally looked at it enough to really comment. NanoBSD is a very flexible framework and is IMO rather easy to get to do special things which is what I really like about it. I have (ab)using the framework for all kinds of things where I just use the functionality I need. I think it's fairly easy to get going with creating a basic NanoBSD image, but I'm not really sure since I have been using NanoBSD since before it was committed so I'm not really the best person to answer that. The built in dual code image functionality which makes it rather easy to upgrade is also very nice for appliances like firewalls. It has saved me at least once after a broken upgrade to be able to reboot the old image and have a working firewall while fixing my mess and building a new image. I have no statistics to back this up, but I think NanoBSD has the most users (of the build framework - there are of course many Fressbie live CD users who just download an ISO) based on following mailing lists and the fact that it has been around the longest. So, I would suggest NanoBSD but of course it also depend on the target audience. Anyway, that's my 0.02DKR, I hope that it's useful. If this is for a book it certainly sounds interesting and is something I think would be very useful for people considering how many places FreeBSD is used embedded. -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 25 11:16:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E08216A418 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F4813C45E for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from benji.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F52DE645; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by benji.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 9B7C7FD58; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:59:30 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-ID: <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> <200707250931.l6P9VgeB088253@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200707250931.l6P9VgeB088253@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:16:47 -0000 On 2007.07.25 11:31:42 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "How long is a piece of string" ;-) ie likely depends what size > flash drive is ! My impression (non user) is Freesbie aims CD size, > whereas Nano or Tiny aim [a lot] smaller ? > > man nanobsd: > doesnt quote a typical size but does have SEE ALSO picobsd > man picobsd: > "which typically fits on a small media such as a floppy disk" > "The biggest problem is determining what will fit on the floppies" > > Suggestion: run them, generate images & use send-pr to report approx > default sizes to be included in manuals so we know for future. Default sizes for nanobsd in default config is 2 x normal FreeBSD size + ~5MB, but of course you need to set the size of your flash. You can get it on to a 128MB flash with a config file which excludes stuff like toolchain etc. without much trouble. The interesting size really is with a config file like this. 64MB requires more work, but is possible. You can get PicoBSD down to a 1.4MB floppy with FreeBSD 4 at least.. I haven't tried for later FreeBSD versions since it's just too much pain getting it working compared to how cheap flash is today. -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 15:45:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D750F16A41B for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:45:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B77413C4CE for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:45:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6QFk29T028278 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id l6QFk2TR028277 for small@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:02 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: small@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070726154602.GA28239@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: -current nanobsd config X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:45:56 -0000 Hi, Does anyone have a good list of NO_ options for a -current nanobsd build? Does anyone maintain a list of working/useful build options? I've come across several configs people have used in the past, but this is -current. I'd like my docs to be current for the new release, so I'd rather not use 6.x. Thanks, ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org, mwlucas@FreeBSD.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Coming Soon: "Absolute FreeBSD" -- http://www.AbsoluteFreeBSD.com On 5/4/2007, the TSA kept 3 pairs of my soiled undies "for security reasons." From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 17:37:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5116A418; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA6713C4B5; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l6QHZ4f9017161; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20070726.113506.1689681908.imp@bsdimp.com> To: simon@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> <200707250931.l6P9VgeB088253@fire.js.berklix.net> <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Cc: jhs@berklix.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:37:56 -0000 In message: <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> "Simon L. Nielsen" writes: : On 2007.07.25 11:31:42 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: : : > "How long is a piece of string" ;-) ie likely depends what size : > flash drive is ! My impression (non user) is Freesbie aims CD size, : > whereas Nano or Tiny aim [a lot] smaller ? : > : > man nanobsd: : > doesnt quote a typical size but does have SEE ALSO picobsd : > man picobsd: : > "which typically fits on a small media such as a floppy disk" : > "The biggest problem is determining what will fit on the floppies" : > : > Suggestion: run them, generate images & use send-pr to report approx : > default sizes to be included in manuals so we know for future. : : Default sizes for nanobsd in default config is 2 x normal FreeBSD size : + ~5MB, but of course you need to set the size of your flash. You can : get it on to a 128MB flash with a config file which excludes stuff : like toolchain etc. without much trouble. The interesting size really : is with a config file like this. : : 64MB requires more work, but is possible. I think I once generated a TinyBSD image on the order or 20M. However, I lost the config files to do that in a disk crash... Warner From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 18:38:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7C116A46C for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: from capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br (vrrp.freebsdbrasil.com.br [200.210.70.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ADFC13C46C for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 84974 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 15:15:15 -0300 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 84958, pid: 84964, t: 0.6498s scanners: clamav: 0.90.2/m:43/d:3087 spam: 3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin: -last, FreeBSD Brasil LTDA rulesets: Yes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=3.7 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.147?) (jmelo@201.80.198.78) by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 15:15:14 -0300 Message-ID: <46A8E37B.5060006@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:10:03 -0300 From: Jean Milanez Melo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <200707242352.43948.ogautherot@vtr.net> <200707250931.l6P9VgeB088253@fire.js.berklix.net> <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20070726.113506.1689681908.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20070726.113506.1689681908.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jhs@berklix.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org, simon@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:38:27 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20070725105930.GC1524@zaphod.nitro.dk> > "Simon L. Nielsen" writes: > : On 2007.07.25 11:31:42 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > : > : > "How long is a piece of string" ;-) ie likely depends what size > : > flash drive is ! My impression (non user) is Freesbie aims CD size, > : > whereas Nano or Tiny aim [a lot] smaller ? > : > > : > man nanobsd: > : > doesnt quote a typical size but does have SEE ALSO picobsd > : > man picobsd: > : > "which typically fits on a small media such as a floppy disk" > : > "The biggest problem is determining what will fit on the floppies" > : > > : > Suggestion: run them, generate images & use send-pr to report approx > : > default sizes to be included in manuals so we know for future. > : > : Default sizes for nanobsd in default config is 2 x normal FreeBSD size > : + ~5MB, but of course you need to set the size of your flash. You can > : get it on to a 128MB flash with a config file which excludes stuff > : like toolchain etc. without much trouble. The interesting size really > : is with a config file like this. > : > : 64MB requires more work, but is possible. > > I think I once generated a TinyBSD image on the order or 20M. > However, I lost the config files to do that in a disk crash... > With the TinyBSD minimal config, you can build an image with about 12M. - Jean From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 18:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D116A419 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2500A13C45D for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so637676mue for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AHDV0p5TIGlq/lG9jUhRjSk6fVqNMh9xZRhEpsIDvF2MOeFZyaoChPg8iQ3nxDJhKjxyzp22U0YnZsYGdMluMF4EAFh/IrrKDckqzhThLHTdz6enT7RZOYwuykntWsdkgg7UjR+uoIZs1lH1+e2AIy3F9gJrU08wW/X027wBQSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SHqBG+D50QOjcUJfsJ03JBDjz/oYoarnhbPFgSyr9EVRA7xDJ5N7CxD62iUq16dRe6Nt4PaPk5qgcEu+IwuBR5XIZjVYpqnaieT4EpXbOCkI/13yNIzt8HHpddSKbRpx21jN2/ydSgOUkyfLOoTCuhSKz+Hn8NLZVfoIpCNmosc= Received: by 10.82.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr1805637bud.1185474110793; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.174.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:21:50 -0300 From: "Eduardo Meyer" To: "Michael W. Lucas" In-Reply-To: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:49:03 -0000 On 7/24/07, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Hi, > > Been researching building stripped-down versions of FreBSD for flash > drives and suchforth. It seems that we have three big contenders in > this area: > > Freesbie > NanoBSD > TinyBSD > > Are any of these particularly stronger than the other? If I was to > start over, or recommend one to someone else, which would be the best > these days? > > Thanks, > ==ml > > -- > Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org, mwlucas@FreeBSD.org > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > Coming Soon: "Absolute FreeBSD" -- http://www.AbsoluteFreeBSD.com > On 5/4/2007, the TSA kept 3 pairs of my soiled undies "for security reasons." I have been using all mentioned options, plus, minibsd. Honestly, I would recommend anyone to use TinyBSD, as long as: - You dont need to do cross building; - You can read a few instructions on a help screen or interactively answer some questions; This is what I mention because TinyBSD wont do cross building because it does not compile the whome world. Instead, it copies the already compiled and in production ones. Also because tinyBSD have a good README file, not no man page nor sgmlized docs. I know people are addressing those issues, regarding SGML doc, but it does not exist right now. The first issue is also getting addressed on the -CURRENT version of TinyBSD (cvs only, maybe on the website too - tinybsd.org), but it is not ready. According to patrick tracanelli TinyBSD will heavily be addressed to build ARM systems. And to do so, cross building is a must be. However, it is not present right now. I have added TinyBSD to flash discs, to CF cards, to memory sticks and also on optical drives. On CD/DVD it is just a matter of building an ISO with mkisofs and adding one extra line on kernel conf file. No "special magic" that requires using a whole other framework. I can also choose if I want tinyBSD to act as a live system, depending on the booted media, or if I want it to work as MFS system, which will never access the media once it is booted. It is specially good on memory sticks. It is a feature Julian Elischer contributed, if I remember the commit message correctly. TinyBSD also have pre-defined config files ready to build, just like picobsd used to. If you aim to make a FreeBSD system aimed for PCEngine's WRAP for example, you will save yourself a LOT of work and study on why NanoBSD, FreesBIE or anything else wont work on Wrap, and do the necessary changes, while TinyBSD has a ready-to-go predefined conf, so you will only spend your time on customization of the system. Not studying how to make it, at least, boot. So, my personal experiences are favorable to this tinybsd thing. Give it a try. BTW, its minimal image is 14MB. My usable ones are 21MB sized, in the average. -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 20:09:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA7016A419 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (ns0.blackend.org [82.227.222.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC5813C45B for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6QJvJVb079661; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:57:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id l6QJvJ0t079660; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:57:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:57:19 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Eduardo Meyer Message-ID: <20070726195719.GA98201@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: "Michael W. Lucas" , small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:09:38 -0000 On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 03:21:50PM -0300, Eduardo Meyer wrote: > > I have been using all mentioned options, plus, minibsd. Honestly, I > would recommend anyone to use TinyBSD, as long as: > > - You dont need to do cross building; > - You can read a few instructions on a help screen or interactively > answer some questions; > > This is what I mention because TinyBSD wont do cross building because > it does not compile the whome world. Instead, it copies the already > compiled and in production ones. Also because tinyBSD have a good > README file, not no man page nor sgmlized docs. > > I know people are addressing those issues, regarding SGML doc, but it > does not exist right now. The first issue is also getting addressed on > the -CURRENT version of TinyBSD (cvs only, maybe on the website too - > tinybsd.org), but it is not ready. According to patrick tracanelli > TinyBSD will heavily be addressed to build ARM systems. And to do so, > cross building is a must be. However, it is not present right now. > > I have added TinyBSD to flash discs, to CF cards, to memory sticks and > also on optical drives. On CD/DVD it is just a matter of building an > ISO with mkisofs and adding one extra line on kernel conf file. No > "special magic" that requires using a whole other framework. > > I can also choose if I want tinyBSD to act as a live system, depending > on the booted media, or if I want it to work as MFS system, which will > never access the media once it is booted. It is specially good on > memory sticks. It is a feature Julian Elischer contributed, if I > remember the commit message correctly. > > TinyBSD also have pre-defined config files ready to build, just like > picobsd used to. If you aim to make a FreeBSD system aimed for > PCEngine's WRAP for example, you will save yourself a LOT of work and > study on why NanoBSD, FreesBIE or anything else wont work on Wrap, and > do the necessary changes, while TinyBSD has a ready-to-go predefined > conf, so you will only spend your time on customization of the system. > Not studying how to make it, at least, boot. > [...] For the archives: http://pcengines.ch/wrap1c.pdf explains the problem and how to fix it. To sum up: Just remove atkbd*, psm and vga lines from your kernel configuration file. -- Marc From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 21:13:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BBD16A418 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650B913C4D5 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so672214mue for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:13:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DR9fv8IIGPIQfBk9OQiH/2yp/C36OTGIfjyxfSGbmZnW3TTkNKA8xsAYEc8STcMtnh4AExDhrPGwrEEuTfgRYtWH37ggpcjCUCzbfohezIGw98R70qqdnzAJMzMCt2GBTIZVfVt/U9vDv1MKAiYAJU2xqfNvEDFCx/EmvGXN7pU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPXFhXLf57V+kyhaG3oY3NwW0bl94BJj84wRSAuQc+ZF/2ZQmnsGEVzC3XqQMo6EIk9mqkj9/39vnNqM4QbgkWsR7fSGopifCqAURQ2aVpS9pZQg6qCNZWkfZylgvisTU6bW17dTaXLW9WwyPFUhOhbFwXtjZnNbKHmVJ8xb7J0= Received: by 10.82.156.12 with SMTP id d12mr1940028bue.1185484417802; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.174.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:13:37 -0300 From: "Eduardo Meyer" To: "Marc Fonvieille" In-Reply-To: <20070726195719.GA98201@abigail.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070725022141.GA17703@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20070726195719.GA98201@abigail.blackend.org> Cc: "Michael W. Lucas" , small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's our standard "stripped-down FreeBSD" tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:40 -0000 On 7/26/07, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 03:21:50PM -0300, Eduardo Meyer wrote: > > > > I have been using all mentioned options, plus, minibsd. Honestly, I > > would recommend anyone to use TinyBSD, as long as: > > > > - You dont need to do cross building; > > - You can read a few instructions on a help screen or interactively > > answer some questions; > > > > This is what I mention because TinyBSD wont do cross building because > > it does not compile the whome world. Instead, it copies the already > > compiled and in production ones. Also because tinyBSD have a good > > README file, not no man page nor sgmlized docs. > > > > I know people are addressing those issues, regarding SGML doc, but it > > does not exist right now. The first issue is also getting addressed on > > the -CURRENT version of TinyBSD (cvs only, maybe on the website too - > > tinybsd.org), but it is not ready. According to patrick tracanelli > > TinyBSD will heavily be addressed to build ARM systems. And to do so, > > cross building is a must be. However, it is not present right now. > > > > I have added TinyBSD to flash discs, to CF cards, to memory sticks and > > also on optical drives. On CD/DVD it is just a matter of building an > > ISO with mkisofs and adding one extra line on kernel conf file. No > > "special magic" that requires using a whole other framework. > > > > I can also choose if I want tinyBSD to act as a live system, depending > > on the booted media, or if I want it to work as MFS system, which will > > never access the media once it is booted. It is specially good on > > memory sticks. It is a feature Julian Elischer contributed, if I > > remember the commit message correctly. > > > > TinyBSD also have pre-defined config files ready to build, just like > > picobsd used to. If you aim to make a FreeBSD system aimed for > > PCEngine's WRAP for example, you will save yourself a LOT of work and > > study on why NanoBSD, FreesBIE or anything else wont work on Wrap, and > > do the necessary changes, while TinyBSD has a ready-to-go predefined > > conf, so you will only spend your time on customization of the system. > > Not studying how to make it, at least, boot. > > > [...] > > For the archives: > http://pcengines.ch/wrap1c.pdf explains the problem and how to fix it. > To sum up: > Just remove atkbd*, psm and vga lines from your kernel configuration file. > If I remember well, it is not everything. There are other inherent problems which may need some modification on boot source code or the way the disk gets labelled. Just following the recommeded points in this document wont make your freesbie/minibsd/nanobsd or even standard tinybsd boot up the system. Unless things changed a lot recently =) -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 26 22:58:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C549116A418 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819A213C4A5 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so532534wxd for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:58:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAAb5pn1iX2i8uSIkBjAt64y2OhDQruGDdJTUv4J/mescBP7wJZ0BrzEgFObKQ0u1jgE5d6rfMwhVzOTeEsHIfLs7ugsKJAr9JUwJljKjtmwp8fjQyCkZnKV2akg9f1xLF52erfJ3ZGyNB/macpI6+8qnxzjrtJg/cqOXGm2UY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Edz2EZ3Zq9zLxRjIBlNtj4mHlZb1QpQ9nJr03ZBny2oKMhhOsKe0unYLA3JP0Q9mLNJG1b/MncRopgzXp0zeKkcMeMujzHhjiXwZTcgeJthITJVSjF+j9gDMY/6eXgpuA9IYBQMFovZ2vsPqJVQjIsXQuLziAdpDXro/y3BGqLI= Received: by 10.70.42.16 with SMTP id p16mr3789410wxp.1185489054689; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.89.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0707261530l78dea0a2u8e4b34e94c32fc20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:30:54 +1000 From: "David N" To: "Michael W. Lucas" In-Reply-To: <20070726154602.GA28239@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070726154602.GA28239@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current nanobsd config X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:58:04 -0000 On 27/07/07, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have a good list of NO_ options for a -current nanobsd > build? Does anyone maintain a list of working/useful build options? > > I've come across several configs people have used in the past, but > this is -current. I'd like my docs to be current for the new release, > so I'd rather not use 6.x. > > Thanks, > ==ml > > -- > Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org, mwlucas@FreeBSD.org > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > Coming Soon: "Absolute FreeBSD" -- http://www.AbsoluteFreeBSD.com > On 5/4/2007, the TSA kept 3 pairs of my soiled undies "for security reasons." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-small@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-small > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-small-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello, My main reference is http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/build_options/ I'm not sure how up to date is it cheers