From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 01:32:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6554F106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E3E8FC08 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C250327900D3; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:37:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSqcD6dfcKYf; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82E2627900D2; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <1320489355.14536.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:32:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <84AD393C-FDDE-4F00-BAD8-F5CB41BCED07@d3photography.com> <1320489355.14536.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Bill Tillman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: OpenVPN - what configuration do I need/want X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 01:32:50 -0000 So... basically you've just set up servers that utilize the host = connection or doesn't route? On Nov 5, 2011, at 5:35 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > =20 > ________________________________ >=20 > From: Ryan Coleman > To: FreeBSD Questions > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:22 AM > Subject: OpenVPN - what configuration do I need/want >=20 > I have a PE 2450 with dual NICs and I want to turn it into a bridging = VPN for the guys in the office to utilize. >=20 > Our configuration: > My office: 192.168.46.0/24 > Server IPs: 192.168.46.2 [8.2-RELEASE] + public IP > Corporate office: 192.168.45.0/24 > My VPN: 192.168.47.0/24 [preferred] > There's a NetVanta VPN between my office and the corporate office and = I presume that will still work to route 47.0/24 to 45.0/24 when all is = said and done. >=20 > I am going to be supporting Windows and Mac clients (well, all windows = and then my mac) and I'd like to test it from my 8.2 server at home = before pushing this over to my MacBook Pro (using Tunnelblick) and then = to my Windows users. >=20 > I've tried the FreeBSD handbook and the Section6.net walkthroughs to = no avail. >=20 > Any help would be appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, > Ryan=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 > =20 > I can't say that I'm familiar with your setup which uses "bridging". = But I setup OpenVPN to work on a server inside my LAN which is behind my = FreeBSD firewall server. The setup wasn't that hard, you just have to = forward the right ports and get the certificates copied to the clients = correctly. The docs on the OpenVPN site were very helpful in this for = me.=20 > The trouble you may find is that this other VPN appliance you = reference, NetVanta, may or may not be compatible with OpenVPN. I tried = this several years ago with a remote company I was working for and found = out quite dissappointingly that the protocol used by OpenVPN would not = work whatsoever with Cisco equipment. That may have changed now but at = the time all the advice I got was forget about it. Cisco equipment would = not work with OpenVPN period. Luckily at the time I had a small Cisco = appliance at my house and that is the only way I could get that setup to = work. These days I happily connect to my LAN with encrypted tunnels from = most places like hotels, etc... There is a problem sometimes at places = like Starbucks or McDonalds where they have equipment which is blocking = ports needed to run VPN. And in most cases it's not that they are = blocking specific ports, it's that they are blocking everything except = port 80 to only let their freebie users surf web > content.=20 > YMMV....check the docs on the OpenVPN site. Many HOWTOs and examples = will help you get going. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 02:51:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4E3106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC408FC15 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 32so5232648ywt.13 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wC75IC7IABU03Q3s4M2b5u3XJqoSpMycFk+PImI/RK8=; b=a53/71EWue4k0b4rE5sFSK3KcC7J11ki4D+nUE2OBAg2jeBH5NTqRzVZEnfA4DyUr8 MDHJHk921fc8QdpP0QsMw6b8h1bLGS+U9Eq+/Dk4Ig37BGLyFOa/NAPE8GF7UNKKHkSy +TiIQLN4EzygcrGEJJEGF7QY3ff5vDNz7wWqI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.69.52 with SMTP id b20mr5292653obu.58.1320547876465; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.44.34 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ntpdate on boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 02:51:17 -0000 On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Warren Block wrote: > netwait_enable="YES" > netwait_ip="192.168.1.1" # IP address to ping to verify network is up > netwait_if="em0" # interface to use > > > Also there's netwait_timeout, which defaults to 60 in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. I've finally got a combination of suggested configurations that get me to where I want to be (using ntpd, ntpdate, and netwait). However, I've found that I still need ntpdate_enable="YES" rather than ntpd_sync_on_start="YES". The reason for this is that I'm running at securelevel 3, and ntpd takes too long to get up, running, and sync the clock. By the time it tries to adjust the clock, secure level has already been raised preventing the adjustment. Is there a way to make securelevel wait until ntpd has made its adjustments? When I use ntpdate at this point, it seems like the init scripts are sequential, and it waits until ntpdate is done before continuing and later raising securelevel. It seems that even though ntpdate is deprecated that it is still required if you want to run securelevel 3. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 03:56:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09EA1065675 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25F48FC08 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111106035655139 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:56:55 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C94AA488ED3 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6D961F12 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D1AC8CC for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id pA63uqMa092912; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:53:04 -0700 References: <20111105220349.GA49530@freebsd.org> <4EB5B9AF.9080101@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <877h3dzyws.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ntpdate on boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:56:56 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > On 05/11/2011 22:19, Robert Simmons wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Alexander Best wrote: >>> same here. simply add something like the following to your crontab: >>> >>> 0 10 * * */2 /etc/rc.d/ntpdate onestart >> >> I have something similar in my crontab which is not exactly what I >> need. I want to make sure that the clock is set at every boot because >> I'm using this as a kerberos server. If the clock is not set properly >> at boot, kerberos will not work properly until the nightly cron jobs >> are run and the clock is set then. I need everything working at boot. >> I can't have a window of problems between boot and midnight or >> whenever cron runs ntpdate. > > crontabs have this handy '@reboot' syntax... It's all explained in > crontab(5). Just be aware that 'Run once, at startup', means when 'cron' starts, not just when the system boots, unless they have changed it recently. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 04:10:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21571065675 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zantgo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7068FC14 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so3274300vcb.13 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:10:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2h4HVcNUp2eiATP9VvM3siGncCyH8N8NxkKhrTG4h/4=; b=tgSgthwHZxN0WEXC7riqnoBuILVWMfzeAtbfJ+QuScUhzaBQqX+mT2uuC5P2vbHuZD 0+ywVOJXBCcfURgfICWJSkDenoaQhLGeiboAWETTZCzL8NoLV1gOx8zmk6ZWAcUiyG60 YYjMEp6qeEslyF2KsW3LgJ5+9I9s1AnBytHBU= Received: by 10.52.76.69 with SMTP id i5mr21311663vdw.4.1320552629927; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([186.9.68.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5sm22549324vdj.11.2011.11.05.21.10.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Zantgo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) Message-Id: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:10:28 -0300 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:10:31 -0000 Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by running "echo" s= lim_enable =3D "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 04:23:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28F41065673 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F248FC17 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id pA64NMiD039172 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:23:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:23:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201111060423.pA64NMiD039172@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:24:00 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 5 23:10:17 2011 > From: Zantgo > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:10:28 -0300 > To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" > Subject: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf > > Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by running "echo" slim_enable = "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!. If you don't want to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, DO NOT RUN "echo" slim_enable = "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". END OF HELP!. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 04:29:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8B7106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B688FC0C for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so3392690ggn.13 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:29:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pVsUYno7FzhtEhaz+xzJ8K6R7hGne16Flb0xnqtdCZg=; b=E0gp0i5fO59Ios+aaUE8vLAtC5EYPqeNipJbbgPbPQOjsgWmEVHVnnRhIvWA+fPOkw V3sGsgbbZlFqelWHv4NMlyxaiKJtnGsACE+7fd0e+GkQPeBgx5PoYIE4+qEEi61/uC6j 7n3gRoHjcgy7cgvuvxv8Lg3PUf+VtMhj88+v4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.113.1 with SMTP id q1mr860131anm.126.1320553745884; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.143.13 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:29:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: Zantgo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:29:07 -0000 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Zantgo wrote: > Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by running "echo" slim_enable = "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!. Well, the absolute basics would be: hostname="" ifconfig_"="inet netmask " defaultrouter="" You may also have had: sshd_enable="YES" You can also look at dmesg -a and get a grasp over what other services you had started. Two other things, use >> rather than > to append to the file (better yet, learn vi, it's much safer), and always backup any changes from default you make to config files. I keep them all on pastebin.com for convenience, but you can keep them anywhere, even scribbled on a postit note stuck to the front of the server in question (what I used to do). Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 04:52:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8444106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zantgo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AD08FC0A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so3286820vcb.13 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=YpTiRMgk1p6y7B9s2Q2LKD27cv0PzqHHmTW3hsOCSZ8=; b=LNIVRR7t851aOGv7qCGj99+3Ivy9YeXKhJ2UU1WBrX8wjG1Fr35AY2M2pn/YjMvuc7 BCrTtecN37jJ9rQiL6K8UxKJUi3e9oNxZuHrx3g/bBRVTiZYTjExQjt/k9Q9s9IyCXRg NVHSAxlUycueu0e/PiWJ1ZakeWqyHUChEtnFk= Received: by 10.220.5.212 with SMTP id 20mr1573345vcw.112.1320555153645; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([186.9.68.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu4sm22708951vdc.8.2011.11.05.21.52.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:52:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) From: Zantgo Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:52:36 -0300 To: Robert Simmons Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:52:34 -0000 El 06-11-2011, a las 1:29, Robert Simmons escribi=C3=B3= : > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Zantgo wrote: >> Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by running "ech= o" slim_enable =3D "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!. >=20 > Well, the absolute basics would be: > hostname=3D"" > ifconfig_"=3D"inet netmask "= > defaultrouter=3D"" >=20 > You may also have had: > sshd_enable=3D"YES" >=20 > You can also look at dmesg -a and get a grasp over what other services > you had started. >=20 > Two other things, use >> rather than > to append to the file (better > yet, learn vi, it's much safer), and always backup any changes from > default you make to config files. I keep them all on pastebin.com for > convenience, but you can keep them anywhere, even scribbled on a > postit note stuck to the front of the server in question (what I used > to do). >=20 > Rob I gave up, and now reinstall everything again :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 11:03:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A00E106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CF38FC08 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FF4E6587; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:03:38 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=Q1MOrNZokQAF vWv/ax3HVA1/RWM=; b=eIq9xOURNwQUs6uMw/YS0v3/M4ajXe27jcu51a/lh3M3 vPAsbOaA9vLMUUqUi5PmHWR0samsEwuUGngpMQMVbrQdlNJ8IFSI3rneRj+SWPEZ IPGiwAzeT7xVBAmV/rXfHz2SCr4rXt/aOFOFwEany9aOMNNnzGzKA8K65IeeVVI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=ZWBzF/ 8r54B+5GobrTQSAfvHQvG0fFr2IzXmqfQafnV1WUPguHoqN42bh2bRosU/4AMCdP S6NiOA+EJBua4/LPdcsSPODqCTCp3Cr0dp2ht0/4poZEYTtV9VvLOa/96cuJSk// hks/Jp/+xntfTWJEE/ihNVIGL1I8Qz9+2xLtE= Received: from [192.168.1.68] (188-220-36-32.zone11.bethere.co.uk [188.220.36.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98DE0E6538; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4EB66988.60708@cran.org.uk> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:03:36 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zantgo References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:03:40 -0000 On 06/11/2011 04:10, Zantgo wrote: > Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by running "echo" slim_enable = "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!. You could have used the following: echo slim_enable = "YES" >> /etc/rc.conf The ">>" appends the line instead of replacing the existing contents. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 11:13:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA77106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [94.23.254.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF78E8FC0A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (63.9.74.86.rev.sfr.net [86.74.9.63]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9F086FAA31A5; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:13:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597A7314D3; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:13:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:13:25 +0100 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Zantgo Message-ID: <20111106121325.64420a0d@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:13:29 -0000 Le Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:52:36 -0300, Zantgo a écrit : Hello, > > Two other things, use >> rather than > to append to the file (better > > yet, learn vi, it's much safer), and always backup any changes from > > default you make to config files. I keep them all on pastebin.com > > for convenience, but you can keep them anywhere, even scribbled on a > > postit note stuck to the front of the server in question (what I > > used to do). > > > > Rob > I gave up, and now reinstall everything again :( You really don't need to reinstall. All the default rc.conf settings are in /etc/default/rc.conf You may also use sysinstall(8), Configure|Do post-install configuration (networking) and Keymap. It will update rc.conf Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 11:32:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F21D106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Martin.vGagern@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4AB78FC18 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Nov 2011 11:32:09 -0000 Received: from 178-26-28-18-dynip.superkabel.de (EHLO [192.168.71.20]) [178.26.28.18] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 06 Nov 2011 12:32:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #858129 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19AEFlvLFxAlLAUq2vS738gqv3vY4mXgdml+HPcrJ 5ZX3bKNvM1qw7E Message-ID: <4EB67034.2080507@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:32:04 +0100 From: Martin von Gagern User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111003 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB5B512.2000601@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <4EB5B512.2000601@gmx.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB3FE3CFE9B075B9FCCD2A2AE" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: zfs file names (inodes) without files (ENOENT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:32:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB3FE3CFE9B075B9FCCD2A2AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05.11.2011 23:13, Martin von Gagern wrote: > Is there any > tool to check or rebuild the inode data structures of zfs? "zpool scrub= " > doesn't seem to fit the bill, as its manpage indicates a computation of= > file content checksums. Ran a scrub anyway, no errors reported there, problem persist. Makes me wonder whether I'd be better off with either some OpenSolaris descendant (hoping that the problem only lies in the FreeBSD port of ZFS) or with Linux (and either btrfs or some more mature fs). Unless I can find out what's happening here and how to avoid it from happening again in the future, that is. Short of paying for ECC RAM and fancy top-grade HDDs. I still doubt it's hardware failure, and even if it were I'd rather be able to fix any problems that occur than cling to the vain hope that I could ever completely avoid them by spending money. Martin --------------enigB3FE3CFE9B075B9FCCD2A2AE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk62cDgACgkQRhp6o4m9dFtpZgCfdAAvuE9zSvMLuWWqNxGmCn7E 9c4An1Mk0RMUrEIjuXmDHhj2/cDtfZPd =8nxe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB3FE3CFE9B075B9FCCD2A2AE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 09:49:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAF7106566B; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from delta.jarasoft.eu (delta.jarasoft.eu [95.211.60.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C73F8FC15; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from delta.jarasoft.eu (delta.jarasoft.eu [95.211.60.52]) by delta.jarasoft.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE554B1FAD; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:36:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from orac.jarasoft.net (orac.jarasoft.net [82.101.222.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "jarasoft.net", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA" (not verified)) by delta.jarasoft.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EDD04B1FAC; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:36:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from orac.jarasoft.net (orac.jarasoft.net [192.168.178.10]) by orac.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54CE3D7433; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:37:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from jarasc430 (5265DEFC.cm-8.dynamic.ziggo.nl [82.101.222.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by orac.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D8DA3D742C; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:37:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: "Jack Raats" To: , , Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:37:21 +0100 Organization: JaRaSoft, Steenbergen, Nederland MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on orac.jarasoft.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on delta.jarasoft.eu X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:45:44 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Looking for a simple HOW-TO X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:49:24 -0000 Hi, This is perhaps not the right mailinglist so I'm sorry. I'm looking for a simple "how to" to install Aterisk 1.8 on FreeBSD = 7.4-STABLE from the ports. Compiling is not the problem but what to choose from the config before = compiling, realizing that I'm only using SIP, so no hardware attached. It would be nice to see the minimum config I have to use from asterisk. Thanks Jack Raats From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 13:18:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C401065673 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7F2B8FC15 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm11.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.184] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:18:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 18353.67411.bm@omp1067.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45683 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2011 13:18:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320585501; bh=n1MVhyxUj7K8NpI+mFLo9H0giEB0jSq4TKXUW0yjE68=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RHgKmWZ/Koe6NGeHWQJUoWJFOHLBa7nqb4VGXxWAKTX9/qzkR5ymDikJzYheE7AG95Lh/imOZnX8Egsda44cR95J7IuywiEQtfaNUD70rFIIG0yrbohkM/mRwUNI5MjVr1OtVwWyOf1l7oyA0HnKCqyKY0IyXeEkKr/5Iy7fETY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g3qxrG12P4KQzQa93PIS2Vxl4tew1qeEFOtPI8maCasX3BjcuY8yqXv7VZb5ZtnIADNyRyodAoVmH1QbvMliLOtxRUf4eB3x0wCUDr9G8Pk1rxvUyhIpKETgR4p0OgSKFiCHlNQsDTYYEByzFVyotWm8eyNQc9JFR7i8M2Iyfwo=; X-YMail-OSG: XR5.k0wVM1kzey4zwq_P73s3hBLJZtoxjMCfFs6o.x2I3T. 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But I setup OpenVPN to w= ork on a server inside my LAN which is behind my FreeBSD firewall server. T= he setup wasn't that hard, you just have to forward the right ports and get= the certificates copied to the clients correctly. The docs on the OpenVPN = site were very helpful in this for me. =0A> The trouble you may find is tha= t this other VPN appliance you reference, NetVanta, may or may not be compa= tible with OpenVPN. I tried this several years ago with a remote company I = was working for and found out quite dissappointingly that the protocol used= by OpenVPN would not work whatsoever with Cisco equipment. That may have c= hanged now but at the time all the advice I got was forget about it. Cisco = equipment would not work with OpenVPN period. Luckily at the time I had a s= mall Cisco appliance at my house and that is the only way I could get that = setup to work. These days I happily connect to my LAN with encrypted tunnel= s from most places like hotels, etc... There is a problem sometimes at plac= es like Starbucks or McDonalds where they have equipment which is blocking = ports needed to run VPN. And in most cases it's not that they are blocking = specific ports, it's that they are blocking everything except port 80 to on= ly let their freebie users surf web=0A> content. =0A> YMMV....check the doc= s on the OpenVPN site. Many HOWTOs and examples will help you get going.=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A> freebsd-questions@fre= ebsd.org mailing list=0A> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd= -questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr= ibe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0AYes, but the setup is very similar. The docs av= ailable on the OpenVPN website give HOWTOs on both setups and they are very= similar. I would check these as I found them to be very helpful. OpenVPN a= lso has a great mailing list where I got some additional help.=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 13:37:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA12106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E18FD8FC14 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:23:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.235] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:23:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 13:23:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 563270.34110.bm@omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 66070 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2011 13:23:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320585834; bh=uzr286loGxsCExPmk9iE+q1wka9mGmzTcsu+xryxU/8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Gf/ntG5eHCb5/+4fsBotTm5mtjCG2tOhol2w8QppveT1D6+uIeMf1IBJ/8855g5fO7x4gn3iLp6bwHnGgvbmAwDCiD1K/2HIDR5pJN5vCGkRp6KTfxJ/uTsxgMfNaUvnPXhTYpOfz1Na8zWudnEW8bfTjSwKILM59LeqinUmaH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SrFy038dnrIhPlryoDoj9HuDMIua2usN2zJw6jninOMP0HP0tFDQQKYzIoMx8CqvUR9eC5Iv+H39OiPtH8HTuipoQRD4IJrLypCEpUjhJNrrXJhWndVMQlWf8Eki36bzUXjYAy6WxruNxKPeIwWCQINuyAfZO6bGd22hQA57SBg=; X-YMail-OSG: whfRlQcVM1mXqBoVbaIDAE7Eso8ipvHLVz7tCl5UjaA9b55 Vz0xrAboHtS.uLU1zrtj1BXEwaEf8MqSuyqKrLIQOYjTUOWoOE4FEotdRE2O TAcmDXklKxPWe_96h6afacTk4piBynFVBWEWVU6lrx4soKK04kHI5m_zO847 iVg3I6adiKiapEIj2y7gLPv11M1Goy2z1OLljFvbTMn2rm4EvYq7kEljA.pi KzbXW7uvigzh1lEgnxpP1bJQvKuMjmn08_DGCXJNOMEdBwvGuUjwDb32GNid HV9foPdp4uqvGGSvYY69OhapbPts9YNSCTHwgAyzQimoB4cuSRcOgZ9dRm_v 2n53D9I58t.GGdL2lfk2Zp.0JiCj2RpTBXiCFQnksHWYEuVhWO.04qg9YJsZ bAve7PiT30YcIPGo3.vmAsLNaYNZEmv.2tBGuiTEuYm3sVMWiPJLZo2QirkJ vY6BR2946Y958iQ.tvWC3iw4571V1SP07sEJjJMuVfNGE_aexTUGHE2i8lSd LYI5gsQ-- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 05:23:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1320585834.66067.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 05:23:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: Zantgo , Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:37:50 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Zantgo =0ATo: Robert Simmons =0ACc: "freebsd-questions@= FreeBSD.org" =0ASent: Sunday, November 6, 20= 11 12:52 AM=0ASubject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AEl 06-11-2011, a las 1:29, Robert Simmons escri= bi=F3:=0A=0A> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Zantgo wr= ote:=0A>> Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by runn= ing "echo" slim_enable =3D "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". Please help!.=0A> =0A= > Well, the absolute basics would be:=0A> hostname=3D""= =0A> ifconfig_"=3D"inet netmask "=0A> defaultrouter=3D""=0A> =0A> You may also have = had:=0A> sshd_enable=3D"YES"=0A> =0A> You can also look at dmesg -a and get= a grasp over what other services=0A> you had started.=0A> =0A> Two other t= hings, use >> rather than > to append to the file (better=0A> yet, learn vi= , it's much safer), and always backup any changes from=0A> default you make= to config files.=A0 I keep them all on pastebin.com for=0A> convenience, b= ut you can keep them anywhere, even scribbled on a=0A> postit note stuck to= the front of the server in question (what I used=0A> to do).=0A> =0A> Rob= =0AI gave up, and now reinstall everything again :(=0A_____________________= __________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ah= ttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe= , send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0AWow,= to reinstall everything is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.= Rather drastic. There are some simple steps you could have taken to get th= ings back to normal but without knowing what you had in your original rc.co= nf file that's probably oversimplifying things. =0A=0AI keep a little scrip= t in my /root/bin folder to backup my config files periodically to another = server. This is something you should look into. We all make mistakes and wh= en we do, a backup copy can make the difference between "oh wow" and "oh f*= **".=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 14:35:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F90106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385DD8FC13 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6B61EAA2; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:35:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA6EZ6ta002040; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:35:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:35:06 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chris Message-Id: <20111106153506.5c1bc8ac.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recursive copy with spaces in descendants X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:35:09 -0000 On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:20 -0400, Chris wrote: > I'm having difficulty copying a directory tree from my FreeBSD server to > USB storage. The problem is that the tree contains file and folder names > which have spaces, similar to the following: The thing you're intending to name are properly called directories, not "folders". :-) > ./foo bar/some name.tar.gz > ./foo bar/child dir/some other name.tar.gz > > I've tried various combinations of cp with enclosing the top level > directory in quotations, along with other commands like tar or xargs to no > avail. The problem seems to be with creating the destination directories > and folders, where mkdir/cp terminates with an invalid argument response. That's a typical problem caused by those who put spaces into filenames: Scripting requires more work to do what you intend. I may point you to the following articles that deal with the _result_ of your problem: David A. Wheeler Filenames and Pathnames in Shell: How to do it correctly http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html David A. Wheeler: Fixing Unix/Linux/POSIX Filenames: Control Characters (such as Newline), Leading Dashes, and Other Problems http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html However, if you _can_, solve the _cause_ of your problem, i. e. educate those who create that kind of trouble-carrying file and directory names _not_ to use spaces! > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, since I'm pretty much out of them > at this point. The articles should help you to deal with the problem, as they present properly working solutions. Good luck! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 14:48:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A22C1065673 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC7D8FC0A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F181EA77; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:48:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA6EmVji002060; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:48:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:48:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20111106154831.d4eb2edf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1320585834.66067.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> <8D04DED6-9175-42C7-B553-BAC1EA129E68@gmail.com> <1320585834.66067.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:48:33 -0000 On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 05:23:54 -0800 (PST), Bill Tillman wrote: > Wow, to reinstall everything is like throwing the baby out > with the bath water. Rather drastic. There are some simple > steps you could have taken to get things back to normal but > without knowing what you had in your original rc.conf file > that's probably oversimplifying things. The defaults in /etc/defaults/rc.conf should be fully sufficient to bring the system up. From this state, running sysinstall could be used to choose settings that will cause /etc/rc.conf to be updated. Furthermore /etc/defaults/rc.conf can be used as a template for settings. Depending on what a system actually will be used for, there can be some "strange" settings required, such as keymap or services to be enabled at boot. Using some web web search, usabe /etc/rc.conf templates can also be revealed. Of course they need changes to conform to local needs. > I keep a little script in my /root/bin folder to backup > my config files periodically to another server. This is > something you should look into. We all make mistakes and > when we do, a backup copy can make the difference between > "oh wow" and "oh f***". I also have a copy /root/etc for the files I have changed, and I keep my changes in a CVS repository. I know this may sound overcomplex at _this_ particular problem, but it helps when you have to deal with various systems and sometimes need to undo changes. >From that repository, I can restore any version from any system. Even in worst case obtaining a complete set of configuration files is possible. The difference in the RESULT between > and >> can be immense, and having a backup you can _quickly_ access is really a happy "oh wow", which is more pleasant than "oh f***", especially if the last one is expressed by others. :-) Politely I'd also like to mention that there are no things called "folder" on FreeBSD in particular, and on operating systems in general. Those things are properly called directories. ;-) PS. Please wrap your lines < 72. Some MUAs don't do that automatically. Thanks! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 15:45:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ED3106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13898FC16 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so5088805wyg.13 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:45:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.106.104 with SMTP id gt8mr5504073wib.6.1320594330974; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.81.193 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111106153506.5c1bc8ac.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20111106153506.5c1bc8ac.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Chris , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recursive copy with spaces in descendants X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:45:32 -0000 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Polytropon wrote: > However, if you _can_, solve the _cause_ of your > problem, i. e. educate those who create that > kind of trouble-carrying file and directory names > _not_ to use spaces! Amen, Brother. Just because you *can*, doesn't mean you should. I blame Mac users. ;-) - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 16:01:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBEA106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D271A8FC16 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pA6G1PQV078450; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:01:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4EB6AF55.5000205@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:01:25 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:7.0) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Raats References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for a simple HOW-TO X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:01:29 -0000 2011-11-06 10:37, Jack Raats skrev: > Hi, > > This is perhaps not the right mailinglist so I'm sorry. > > I'm looking for a simple "how to" to install Aterisk 1.8 on FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE from the ports. > Compiling is not the problem but what to choose from the config before compiling, realizing that I'm only using SIP, so no hardware attached. > > It would be nice to see the minimum config I have to use from asterisk. cd /usr/ports/net/asterisk make showconfig / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 16:42:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38BC106567A for ; 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Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Zantgo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:42:48 -0300 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:42:56 -0000 The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in my use= r, this is the mensaje: xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 16:52:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1201065670 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42378FC15 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB5F2487C; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA6Gpujh002599; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Zantgo Message-Id: <20111106175156.168576de.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:52:20 -0000 On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:42:48 -0300, Zantgo wrote: > The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I > tap "startx" in my user, this is the mensaje: > > xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist That message is _not_ in relation to the problems you're experiencing. Depending on how you setup X (full autodetecion, no config file, HAL and DBOS -or- xorg.conf file with proper settings), you should make sure everything is in place. See chapter 6.4 of the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html For the Synaptics touchpad: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad The (missing) presence of the X authority file has nothing to do with keyboard or mouse problems. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 17:00:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36041065672 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cybernautape@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7078FC0C for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so5145176wyg.13 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:00:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uD90f0oEDTxiZMt9+5sWcBL22fdJOYHBJuu2kBM1IZo=; b=C+fKDCAS/o8haCZoQdgu21GR2r7F6sf0JZCcky7aS92CT2FnNM5lG4dl5fodPJJ5b8 NgMJxHuSnKhcilBaKuWRqN+yfOjg8FIDwaxvs+Le65zn4PDO32gWLwt1mDgsBEogepux vKZVYf5rN4Z4jwQtxEepJlhZSHPvSlhKwVEkg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.134.28 with SMTP id r28mr6115156wei.60.1320598852280; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.185.208 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:00:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Edgar Rodolfo To: Zantgo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:00:53 -0000 2011/11/6, Zantgo : > The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in my > user, this is the mensaje: > > xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not > exist_______________________________________________ you have many errors, i don't understand, i think that you should choose a interface, for example gnome, xfce4, kde..., i recomend to read xrog, and desktop enviroments, check it: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html I remember when i started to use freebsd i was nervious, but i read the handbook and all was easy, do you want to install freebsd and to use freebsd?, read and try to do it > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Edguitar ;) http://cybernautape.blogspot.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 17:31:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6372E1065678 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1778FC19 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so6362751faa.13 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:31:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9VXMkWx69wCL32B0E8fLPpfYp7Xypp802eENU7UuTyQ=; b=lrSLHqEROratPYeBcxYE0vzwO8wJjFg1Xd6QgV1RwzhXNjrEhDc/iW9biuo529AXJ3 VrGhgY3HyV0ay+nZyveYCFRIRGfP0smclraN0Re3uvuQtIIvl5rnysFJ1PZnxL/PbDRN DcoGSa2/XESY/FWQoEjhSzIEo/1PSKPtfZAPg= Received: by 10.223.1.137 with SMTP id 9mr40095664faf.19.1320600668805; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (93-127-96-97.static.vega-ua.net. [93.127.96.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm27525811faf.14.2011.11.06.09.31.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:31:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:31:07 +0200 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20111004 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:31:10 -0000 On 11/06/2011 06:42 PM, Zantgo wrote: > The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in my user, this is the mensaje: > > xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > did you put this in your /etc/rc.conf: hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" see 6.4.2 Configuring X11 of the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html, for details. sasha From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 17:37:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183BC106566C for ; 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Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:36:58 -0800 (PST) References: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <518BF489-EAF2-4458-BF97-D7947B153E9D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) From: Zantgo Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:36:52 -0300 To: Alexander Kapshuk Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:37:00 -0000 El 06-11-2011, a las 14:31, Alexander Kapshuk e= scribi=C3=B3: > On 11/06/2011 06:42 PM, Zantgo wrote: >> The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in my u= ser, this is the mensaje: >>=20 >> xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist________________________= _______________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >> =20 > did you put this in your /etc/rc.conf: >=20 > hald_enable=3D"YES" > dbus_enable=3D"YES" Yes but does not yet work > see 6.4.2 Configuring X11 of the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_U= S.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html, for details. >=20 > sasha >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 17:40:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0275C106566C for ; 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Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:40:13 -0800 (PST) References: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) From: Zantgo Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:40:10 -0300 To: Alexander Kapshuk Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:40:15 -0000 on the console keyboard and mouse do work From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 17:48:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E829E106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721088FC0C for ; 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[93.127.96.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g25sm27578869fae.16.2011.11.06.09.48.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:48:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6C85F.4090504@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:48:15 +0200 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20111004 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zantgo References: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> <518BF489-EAF2-4458-BF97-D7947B153E9D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <518BF489-EAF2-4458-BF97-D7947B153E9D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:48:19 -0000 On 11/06/2011 07:36 PM, Zantgo wrote: > > El 06-11-2011, a las 14:31, Alexander Kapshuk escribió: > > >> On 11/06/2011 06:42 PM, Zantgo wrote: >> >>> The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in my user, this is the mensaje: >>> >>> xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist_______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> did you put this in your /etc/rc.conf: >> >> hald_enable="YES" >> dbus_enable="YES" >> > Yes but does not yet work > >> see 6.4.2 Configuring X11 of the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html, for details. >> >> sasha >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> did you restart 'hald' and 'dbus' after putting hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 18:02:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EE2106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zantgo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF178FC1D for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so557226vws.13 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=PuDSbxQpaQOgwMYBB5x7iEG4d5dESnpGY4wnBC3xR58=; b=wRJhohwOgSoWaiv+KRL8WfgEXnWyM8T28qpkL2UX95TAjWo3HVmrnloJqZMfsoMYqT YOX8dQN7cIOAdtSunrGa8IRZQLLzKRptjPM9myEZjj+atYOUDxQ0L9aYiPoBuY3v9vjC AYR9gbU9QGTD78ED8ROGpqQc6ebAvyBDrnBv8= Received: by 10.52.16.83 with SMTP id e19mr4326393vdd.119.1320602565531; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([186.9.68.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bl9sm13109864vdb.15.2011.11.06.10.02.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) References: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> <518BF489-EAF2-4458-BF97-D7947B153E9D@gmail.com> <4EB6C85F.4090504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB6C85F.4090504@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <29301B3D-9053-4595-AF9E-76E9D2DF4FCB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A334) From: Zantgo Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:02:44 -0300 To: Alexander Kapshuk Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:02:46 -0000 El 06-11-2011, a las 14:48, Alexander Kapshuk e= scribi=C3=B3: > On 11/06/2011 07:36 PM, Zantgo wrote: >>=20 >> El 06-11-2011, a las 14:31, Alexander Kapshuk escribi=C3=B3: >>=20 >> =20 >>> On 11/06/2011 06:42 PM, Zantgo wrote: >>> =20 >>>> The synaptics mouse and the keyboard not found when I tap "startx" in m= y user, this is the mensaje: >>>>=20 >>>> xauth: file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist______________________= _________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>> did you put this in your /etc/rc.conf: >>>=20 >>> hald_enable=3D"YES" >>> dbus_enable=3D"YES" >>> =20 >> Yes but does not yet work >> =20 >>> see 6.4.2 Configuring X11 of the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en= _US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html, for details. >>>=20 >>> sasha >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >>> =20 > did you restart 'hald' and 'dbus' after putting >=20 > hald_enable=3D"YES" > dbus_enable=3D"YES" >=20 >=20 > in your /etc/rc.conf? Yes I restart the system but not found, but in the console found >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 18:03:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443E3106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031368FC13 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA6I339p021170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:03:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <4EB6CBF2.9060304@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:03:30 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:03:03 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: pA6I339p021170 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: 8-STABLE And fxp Driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:03:12 -0000 Is there are known recent problem with the fxp driver and 8-STABLE. I buildworld/kernel every 7-10 days and I have recently begun to see a bunch of "Link Down/Link Up" messages. Before I tear through cables, switches, and other hardware, I want to make sure this isn't some recently introduced driver artifact... Thanks, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 18:04:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4631F106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD588FC1B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so4648098gyd.13 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:04:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YTAQ5s22smMp/UgpArwqdgs4DE2gYOM2q3U5YfEC1d4=; b=DuksGrwF1tNC7PadL9dOQfC+H7XvpjEgWDPjyh7+jCmFf22Noly/OG6XTOtjbeDYwq 6ShD9O59bLcek+C3VsX3+MSCDVxofwZm6fW5QaWOhp4SoEZ0d1JeD9UeuTFQSmZnVTzx LITZ0ANyxw8gdjeMpWT5hnE6oEODW/HDfMPsc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.80.8 with SMTP id h8mr5226802anl.16.1320602653092; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.143.13 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:04:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: rpcbind/rpc.umntall error on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:04:14 -0000 I'm getting the following error on a new install with NFS: kernel: Starting rpcbind. kernel: NFS access cache time=60 kernel: rpc.umntall: kernel: fileserver: MOUNTPROG: RPC: Program not registered kernel: kernel: rpc.umntall: kernel: localhost: MOUNTPROG: RPC: Program not registered kernel: kernel: rpc.umntall: kernel: fileserver: MOUNTPROG: RPC: Program not registered My /etc/rc.conf contains the following: nfs_server_enable="YES" nfs_client_enable="YES" rpcbind_enable="YES" and /etc/exports is the following (for testing): /storage -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 This problem does not seem to affect mounting or NFS functions. What is causing this error? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 19:25:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957A61065675 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F99C8FC13 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814671700E3 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:25:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A111700CD for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:25:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 961AE699D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:25:30 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.15.9; tzolkin = 9 Muluc; haab = 17 Zac Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:25:30 -0800 Message-ID: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: painful binary upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:25:34 -0000 When following the instructions at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.2R/announce.html to go from 8.1 to 8.2, I'm presented during the command: freebsd-update upgrade -r 8.2-RELEASE with no less than *** 322 *** files that differ only by the CVS tag. After hitting about 150 of these with "ret ret ret dd dd dd ret dd : wq ret", I'm really frustrated, because I made a mistake and now apparently have to start over. Why doesn't the freebsd-update command invoke mergemaster with -F? Or is there some step that I'm leaving out? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 19:30:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74508106566C for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C168FC18 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:30:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=BaXPc/jSVyKcA23p81f10fOlZen+SfGXYxusVnCjEGo=; b=YTfMnd5pbbaLNy/8LWAceCCkI51Y2TwxKy9I3eVa9Bxm8eQtoUGTvKH9k92pggpTlaG4DtZUXhTIfRh/gVDtd4H2TJwn002VORYvkiL7q9B2+uFnkKcHdLz9HAtG+/kC; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RN8QV-000Bf4-BM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:30:44 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1320607837-84560-84558/5/15; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:30:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:30:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Linux) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: painful binary upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:30:45 -0000 On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:25:30 -0600, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > Why doesn't the freebsd-update command invoke mergemaster with -F? > > Or is there some step that I'm leaving out? > Does freebsd-update follow /etc/mergemaster.rc? # Automatically install files that do not exist AUTO_INSTALL='yes' # Automatically upgrade files that have not been edited AUTO_UPGRADE='yes' # Ignore files that I don't want changed IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd' # Do not display changes that only affect whitespace #DIFF_FLAG="'.Bub'" # Ignore CVS id lines to stop replacing files where only that line has changed DIFF_OPTIONS='-I$FreeBSD:.*[$]' This is precisely why I still do source upgrades most of the time. But I haven't tried since I started using mergemaster.rc. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 19:54:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7D106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9018FC0A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092311700E3; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:54:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368401700E0; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:54:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1F64C69C9; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Mark Felder References: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.15.9; tzolkin = 9 Muluc; haab = 17 Zac Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:54:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Mark Felder's message of "Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:30:36 -0600") Message-ID: <86y5vtc9ho.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: painful binary upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:54:29 -0000 >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Felder writes: Mark> Does freebsd-update follow /etc/mergemaster.rc? No, apparently it just calls classic "merge", which doesn't have any kind of "ignore CVS tags". No wonder it's painful. But surely, I'm not the only one using freebsd-update. Does everyone else put up with this, or is there some additional tool I'm missing? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 21:30:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19E61065674 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm36-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7661B8FC12 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:28:02 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:28:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:28:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 591385.24013.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13845 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2011 21:28:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320614882; bh=0LrPlo5jKwQ8l1CKxIxMZwKVPCTZrgxrjhKBIm1iDBg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BaU56RcFVp9/c+vrk25RdgvW/fsaTAn8sZHCK2Rp9aimA+1X8EPs5nfMPtqdcc6lZR9aWpA03dZkTtfNq940Ak1cyWCSWpdiqQTwqD16LRBtd4Rxxf09qGXMdSTnqxvxMqNrTdK34f4fLKHmuCi4ULI+sDkd8F8mif5y5DAxDZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4Us+p4BVeXw5iQah+1gLy/p4Rs9+fNhubNQdrQ3kZdIt77eR5mAuL6GDc68gwcePHx3QuzdnZbgk4DCPc2U40oY27PUNwBbyNzRCbjEFb2iEdp+QpsURlK4x16uTRn7JS7byWLBxR1cc45Tfr8UZTkAgQTzeLZxbSuyrLNZK8XU=; X-YMail-OSG: bFncj6kVM1l0LjJPgOkPir3dlS59L9GdL6wnSNXUuPCj0Go TWOhd75KszD2TpPnW7HKwvKGEzsVyJ8jm9M_iXvloOpVDW3Vd8LxU5aJZ5ot j.fGLXrA.uRQ.9LsNcNNIiH2tsppeXeipMQkPLYHkR0ZG3c7vhd8CFq6EWmJ 0xQdyFho3U3DAY6aWc_1mjxw8f7dAyIMWjCHTbMWkzD.ojR_EpJwl46mz1n1 P08IKy90C76ud1qQXREMYLqtN1VwrOOzKxp0Fzi0h.yo2NxG_oLflsFNRDyR gaZFFxOlFnBD623MAfSi62UGGlIWcmDVmSV09ydbv9zEW3epYUJ2DXPxKeYb lTJhK9N81WQZQu1owEKef5YEGRWz9PQa61seG3ah9vybXncKcsEojHQK3BBq mgEJWX8btCt1opel_c2eYBq1XIzRXTBbv2Vq65YNWZYQAy3.M78Nuh9NLG7e lATMfwenC Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:28:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <1320614881.13175.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 8.2-STABLE GENERIC kernel will not build X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:30:43 -0000 I updated the sources on one of my FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE servers and=0Arebuilt= the GENERIC kernel just last night. All went well. This morning I=0Aupdate= d the sources on another machine and rebuilt a custom kernel and=0Aall went= well.=0A=A0=0AThis evening I updated the sources on a 3rd server and the m= ake =0Abuildworld went well, but when I tried to build the GENERIC kernel o= n=0Athis one I get:=0A=A0=0A/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usb_process.c:104: error: = too few argument to=0Afunction 'kthread_suspend_check'=0A*** Error code 1= =0A=A0=0AStop in /usr/src.=0A*** Error code 1=0A=A0=0AStop in /usr/src.=0A= =A0=0AI tried the build twice and both times it failed this way. Any sugges= tions? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 21:32:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED526106566B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm39-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A40238FC1F for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:19:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:19:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 21:19:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 688099.80031.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 10287 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2011 21:19:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320614383; bh=irrc5bFN3fPZdgRTRVG2J0riiONOF/9budu1mWhn0L8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f7/As2YwBIHOO6Y6ni+rReUHE8aiJ+xFLNNKBPG+VjNClKVtjubKexsFtGFlZN/BT7DfXtn64kpTFrGh/c/OK8mgg231QPqSq3BIdzChGAk+lW3ko9uv9BH6QuKFCDNaMwSKGFE/E6evPKr+EPs+4+MJpkKB7wx30ePREMJ15GA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=38rqyWmUt0ry+CWnv+hY1+a7SptPb+vYDnZ7lRX3jxIH+xlzFhpuf2O4W8jYWdoybz4jcRMAo/XAT9sC9MvFLQx7vtMXhOPh2gJ9fQNmqmGbo0mlUOdVd6JHyCYraQqQyfvFx37CfNS7QJeG5DoEpKQpdCiyrqYOASjRRwCaFyQ=; X-YMail-OSG: uG1dwFkVM1nGeOY3niFRye8NUrft2G37Zhc2xjF7llj94mr JiTwDyxRoE9J70sWIK8uKFfgGEtELFTG8lSI0uoYlEJ3U5nLPJpz4dl_J4wY Ns5va76e1kU.zrlEPh6cbKEJDlMW_M9dfcGv00XkM6i_e.hvRLCzCsxq8L2b TE3cUNSwAoxsKSsMqx5ehyJHqIj_8Pf5UOHiBvyxHS1.tAzewTH7bA556EGF NoPZnfgs.e1FaPYoIy1y_WdIz3YxwzqFb6bcIgLdyQDgPpyvxJ3WPssQLPwP L2dsOz9aOGUtsAT0PxJX_GsHmSc.CNQ1kbKErjHdYJ4NgxBGjK76ypWOYLrG 4ebSzyeoOBkwSsYaLzp7r4KFPotq6aq969fg56gx.Cq1I1TylabjxsaaDrb6 Xv7FDX0jfOMVPPh9LMo.KGcYrqa7yhDPBbhlxMNjF457Cz9c2LNMCFn3Zqxc fnonR76TE Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:19:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <4EB6CBF2.9060304@tundraware.com> Message-ID: <1320614382.96242.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <4EB6CBF2.9060304@tundraware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 8-STABLE And fxp Driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:32:26 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Tim Daneliuk =0ATo: FreeBSD Mailing List =0ASent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:03 PM=0ASubject: 8-STABLE And fxp Driv= er=0A=0A=0AIs there are known recent problem with the fxp driver and 8-STAB= LE.=0AI buildworld/kernel every 7-10 days and I have recently begun to=0Ase= e a bunch of "Link Down/Link Up" messages.=A0 Before I tear through=0Acable= s, switches, and other hardware, I want to make sure this isn't=0Asome rece= ntly introduced driver artifact...=0A=0AThanks,=0A-- ----------------------= ------------------------------------------------------=0ATim Daneliuk=A0 = =A0 tundra@tundraware.com=0APGP Key:=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.tundraware.= com/PGP/=0A=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-que= stions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo= /freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-un= subscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0AI run 8.2-STABLE on my system and have fxp0 = nic on it. No problems thus far with mine. I updated src about 1 week ago.= =0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 21:46:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0B3106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573888FC14 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pA6Lk4dp011060; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:04 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pA6Lk4FM011053; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:04 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C959A33C1F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:46:03 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Message-ID: <20111106214603.GB96452@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86y5vtc9ho.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86y5vtc9ho.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: painful binary upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:46:31 -0000 --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 11:54:27AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > >>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Felder writes: >=20 > Mark> Does freebsd-update follow /etc/mergemaster.rc? >=20 > No, apparently it just calls classic "merge", which doesn't have any > kind of "ignore CVS tags". No wonder it's painful. >=20 > But surely, I'm not the only one using freebsd-update. Does everyone > else put up with this, or is there some additional tool I'm missing? >=20 I had the exact same problem when going from 7.3 to 7.4 The result: I don't use freebsd-update any longer and update the traditional way from source. AFAIK, I followed the instructions to the letter. I would be interested to see if there is a workaround, otherwise it seems that freebsd-update is the long way of updating; assuming you've got the "ignore CVS tags" flag enabled in mergemaster.rc Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk63ABoACgkQHduKvUAgeK4kkwCglNVkXf3s7rrX5sUEIFJx3Q1D 9nsAn1NDRaH1iDsnOZoPgTTVpZWhO58b =d2eG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 22:13:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105BA106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moritz@wzff.de) Received: from barfooze.de (barfooze.de [78.46.117.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1878FC12 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=barfooze.de) by barfooze.de with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNAXo-0007Ed-2V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:46:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:46:24 +0100 From: Moritz Wilhelmy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: "Deprecated" ifconfig__alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:13:18 -0000 Hello, according to the rc.conf(5) manual page, the ifconfig__alias_ mechanism has been deprecated: And so on. For each ifconfig__alias entry that is found, its contents are passed to ifconfig(8). Execution stops at the first unsuccessful access, so if something like this is present: ifconfig_ed0_alias0="inet 127.0.0.251 netmask 0xffffffff" ifconfig_ed0_alias1="inet 127.0.0.252 netmask 0xffffffff" ifconfig_ed0_alias2="inet 127.0.0.253 netmask 0xffffffff" ifconfig_ed0_alias4="inet 127.0.0.254 netmask 0xffffffff" Then note that alias4 would not be added since the search would stop with the missing `alias3'' entry. Due to this difficult to manage behavior, the ifconfig__alias form is deprecated. I can't see any further hints by what it has been deprecated, and the net is full of examples using this mechanism. Can someone point me to whereever some equivalent functionality has been implemented? Should I file a PR, or am I just being blind? (Machine is running 9.1-RC1, maybe it has been deprecated after 8) Best regards, Moritz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 22:21:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025B2106572D for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moritz@wzff.de) Received: from barfooze.de (barfooze.de [78.46.117.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7A98FC29 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=barfooze.de) by barfooze.de with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNB5S-0000UR-CS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:21:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:21:10 +0100 From: Moritz Wilhelmy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111106222110.GU16096@barfooze.de> References: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: "Deprecated" ifconfig__alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:21:12 -0000 On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 22:46:24 +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > according to the rc.conf(5) manual page, the > ifconfig__alias_ mechanism has been deprecated: > > > And so on. For each ifconfig__alias entry that > is found, its contents are passed to ifconfig(8). > Execution stops at the first unsuccessful access, so if > something like this is present: > > ifconfig_ed0_alias0="inet 127.0.0.251 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias1="inet 127.0.0.252 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias2="inet 127.0.0.253 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias4="inet 127.0.0.254 netmask 0xffffffff" > > Then note that alias4 would not be added since the search > would stop with the missing `alias3'' entry. Due to this > difficult to manage behavior, the > ifconfig__alias form is deprecated. > > > I can't see any further hints by what it has been deprecated, and the > net is full of examples using this mechanism. Can someone point me to > whereever some equivalent functionality has been implemented? Should I > file a PR, or am I just being blind? (Machine is running 9.1-RC1, maybe > it has been deprecated after 8) Silly me, I guess that would be ipv4_addrs_? It would still be nice to mention that ipv4_addrs_ should be used in place of ifconfig__alias, and that they are both entirely equivalent, I guess. Best, Moritz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 22:38:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8ED1065672 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moritz@wzff.de) Received: from barfooze.de (barfooze.de [78.46.117.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46A68FC12 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=barfooze.de) by barfooze.de with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNBJY-0002WT-3X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:35:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:35:44 +0100 From: Moritz Wilhelmy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111106223544.GW16096@barfooze.de> References: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> <20111106222110.GU16096@barfooze.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111106222110.GU16096@barfooze.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: "Deprecated" ifconfig__alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:38:55 -0000 On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 23:21:10 +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > Silly me, I guess that would be ipv4_addrs_? It would still > be nice to mention that ipv4_addrs_ should be used in place > of ifconfig__alias, and that they are both entirely > equivalent, I guess. While this looks like a great and comfortable feature, it doesn't look like there's an equivalent for IPv6. Can someone clarify? Sorry for the noise or spam, whatever you classify it. Thanks a lot, Moritz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 23:39:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEFD106564A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824F18FC12 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pA6NaAPt087769; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:36:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id pA6NaAaW087768; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:36:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:36:10 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Zantgo Message-ID: <20111106233610.GB87678@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <288821E5-0392-49CA-BC85-0E550769C732@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:39:24 -0000 On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 01:10:28AM -0300, Zantgo wrote: > Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by > running "echo" slim_enable = "YES" "> / etc / rc.conf". > Please help!. First, please learn to break your lines at about 70 characters. It makes it easier to reply appropriately. Second, you should learn to use a text editor - most particularly the vi(1) editor wihch is distributed in /usr/bin/vi That will help your system administration a whole lot. Here is a web page with simplified info on using vi on a basic level. http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ Third, to append to a file instead of replacing it when using echo double the '>' character - as in >> In your example, it would be: echo 'slim_enable="YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 6 23:48:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45D61065670 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A71B8FC18 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pA6Nj9DC087806; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:45:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id pA6Nj9LE087805; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:45:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:45:09 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Zantgo Message-ID: <20111106234509.GC87678@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4EB6C45B.1030204@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Alexander Kapshuk , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problem with X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:48:22 -0000 On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:40:10PM -0300, Zantgo wrote: > on the console keyboard and mouse do work Did you run X config It is one of the steps in the Handbook You can fake a .Xauthority and get rid of the message by doing touch .Xauthority in your home directory (and in roots home) ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 00:26:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449BD106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DE28FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE348B143D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:09:54 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.037, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CIocQpafHRHy; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:09:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from s560x.c0c0.intra (p54B0A4E0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.164.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FCE98B143B; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:09:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:09:51 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Steinbach X-X-Sender: coco@s560x.c0c0.intra To: Moritz Wilhelmy In-Reply-To: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> Message-ID: References: <20111106214624.GT16096@barfooze.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Deprecated" ifconfig__alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:26:01 -0000 On Sun, 6 Nov 2011, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > Hello, > > according to the rc.conf(5) manual page, the > ifconfig__alias_ mechanism has been deprecated: > > > And so on. For each ifconfig__alias entry that > is found, its contents are passed to ifconfig(8). > Execution stops at the first unsuccessful access, so if > something like this is present: > > ifconfig_ed0_alias0="inet 127.0.0.251 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias1="inet 127.0.0.252 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias2="inet 127.0.0.253 netmask 0xffffffff" > ifconfig_ed0_alias4="inet 127.0.0.254 netmask 0xffffffff" > > Then note that alias4 would not be added since the search > would stop with the missing `alias3'' entry. Due to this > difficult to manage behavior, the > ifconfig__alias form is deprecated. > > > I can't see any further hints by what it has been deprecated, and the > net is full of examples using this mechanism. Can someone point me to > whereever some equivalent functionality has been implemented? Should I > file a PR, or am I just being blind? (Machine is running 9.1-RC1, maybe > it has been deprecated after 8) I'd say there isn't one. You're expected to use /etc/start_if., accordingly. The next paragraph in the rc.conf(5) man page states: If the /etc/start_if. file is present, it is read and executed by the sh(1) interpreter before configuring the interface as specified in the ifconfig_ and ifconfig__alias variables. The wording might be a bit misleading here. Actually, there's no need to have any ifconfig_* statements in rc.conf, unless you need or want to make use of the facilties provided by network startup scripts. Just drop any ifconfig and possibly other shell commands to configure the interface in question into /etc/start_if.. Maybe opening a PR, asking for different wording or an additional paragraph is a good idea, nonetheless. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 00:46:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093221065676 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.ross@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B8698FC0C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Nov 2011 00:46:16 -0000 Received: from dslb-092-076-090-134.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO michael-think) [92.76.90.134] by mail.gmx.net (mp045) with SMTP; 07 Nov 2011 01:46:16 +0100 X-Authenticated: #11429267 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VlkAvF7iVfrbx7oTECRSsuIl44FGBHcqR4jZhUV aNnBo5pM6AXNCw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:46:14 +0100 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Win32) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:46:18 -0000 Moin, I'm setting up a system on an external USB drive, serving as fallback in case of a server failure: Customer takes USB drive, plugs it into any of his PCs and boots of it. Now I am looking for a good method to configure the network: I could just start dhclient on any NIC which could possibly be there, thus cramming rc.conf with ifconfig_em0="DHCP" ifconfig_em1="DHCP" ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" and so on. Or I could grep ifconfig or dmesg output for ethernet interfaces and dhclient these. Both sound like a very messy solution. So I would step beyond my current area of expertise, grep some source from sysinstall, bsdinstall or somewhere and do it in C. But I'm kind of hoping anybody can point me to a readymade solution yet unknown to me. Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 00:50:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36927106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james@colannino.org) Received: from esmtp1.es.uci.edu (esmtp1.es.uci.edu [128.195.153.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088DF8FC08 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (69-12-176-48.dsl.static.sonic.net [69.12.176.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by esmtp1.es.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pA70nufm004897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:49:58 -0800 X-UCInetID: jcolanni Message-ID: <4EB72B2D.7060908@colannino.org> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:49:49 -0800 From: James Colannino User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111030 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: No color on CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:50:00 -0000 Hey everyone, I hope this is FreeBSD-specific enough for this list... Ever since moving to FreeBSD, I haven't been able to use color on my color laserjet. I've tried selecting just about every color laserjet model from the web interface to CUPS that I can think of, and the only color models available are grayscale and inverted grayscale. I was always able to get color no problem on my Linux box. I know there's something stupid that I'm missing, but I'm not really knowledgeable about CUPS, much less CUPS on FreeBSD. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, how did you fix it? Thanks so much! James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 01:19:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661F8106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278728FC17 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA71JDL1035850; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA71JCeJ035847; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:19:12 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Michael Ross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:19:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:19:14 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Michael Ross wrote: > I'm setting up a system on an external USB drive, > serving as fallback in case of a server failure: > > Customer takes USB drive, plugs it into any of his PCs and boots of it. > > Now I am looking for a good method to configure the network: > > I could just start dhclient on any NIC which could possibly be there, > thus cramming rc.conf with > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" > ifconfig_em1="DHCP" > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > and so on. > > Or I could grep ifconfig or dmesg output for ethernet interfaces and dhclient > these. > > Both sound like a very messy solution. > > So I would step beyond my current area of expertise, grep some source from > sysinstall, bsdinstall or somewhere and do it in C. > But I'm kind of hoping anybody can point me to a readymade solution yet > unknown to me. ifconfig_DEFAULT="DHCP" It's not well documented. I'd also suggest using SYNCDHCP as more likely to work predictably on unknown equipment. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 01:24:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2938106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF148FC0A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB18B143B; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:24:52 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.037, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYKhHGtr0AuU; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from s560x.c0c0.intra (p54B0A4E0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.164.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 231CB8B141B; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:24:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:24:49 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Steinbach X-X-Sender: coco@s560x.c0c0.intra To: Michael Ross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:24:53 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Michael Ross wrote: > Moin, Morsche, > I'm setting up a system on an external USB drive, > serving as fallback in case of a server failure: > > Customer takes USB drive, plugs it into any of his PCs and boots of it. > > Now I am looking for a good method to configure the network: > > I could just start dhclient on any NIC which could possibly be there, > thus cramming rc.conf with > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" > ifconfig_em1="DHCP" > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > and so on. > > Or I could grep ifconfig or dmesg output for ethernet interfaces and dhclient > these. > > Both sound like a very messy solution. > > So I would step beyond my current area of expertise, grep some source from > sysinstall, bsdinstall or somewhere and do it in C. > But I'm kind of hoping anybody can point me to a readymade solution yet > unknown to me. No readymade solution, just a hint for possibly keeping the mess down a bit: The l (lower case letter L) flag to ifconfig lists all available interfaces in a more scripting friendly fashion: % ifconfig -l em0 dc0 plip0 lo0 vboxnet0 % I'd be interested in testing the results (or possible steps thereto) of your efforts in creating a customized, bootable FreeBSD USB stick image, if that's feasible. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 02:32:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5502106566C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3DC8FC13 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 02:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA47B1E16A; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:31:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA72VtmK004437; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:31:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:31:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Michael Ross" Message-Id: <20111107033155.65ccd301.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 02:32:03 -0000 On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:46:14 +0100, Michael Ross wrote: > Moin, > > I'm setting up a system on an external USB drive, > serving as fallback in case of a server failure: > > Customer takes USB drive, plugs it into any of his PCs and boots of it. > > Now I am looking for a good method to configure the network: > > I could just start dhclient on any NIC which could possibly be there, > thus cramming rc.conf with > ifconfig_em0="DHCP" > ifconfig_em1="DHCP" > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > and so on. > > Or I could grep ifconfig or dmesg output for ethernet interfaces and > dhclient these. > > Both sound like a very messy solution. > > So I would step beyond my current area of expertise, grep some source from > sysinstall, bsdinstall or somewhere and do it in C. > But I'm kind of hoping anybody can point me to a readymade solution yet > unknown to me. You could look at how FreeSBIE does it - it contains "autodetect magic" also for graphics and sound. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 04:53:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1BA1065703 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBCA8FC13 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal (svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal [10.48.0.3]) by bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pA74r2E0017675 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:53:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.48.0.24]) by svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal with MailMarshal (v6, 8, 4, 9558) id ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:53:02 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:53:01 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: issue with IPF firewall state tables Thread-Index: AcydCSC5IlOYyeYDQ+mquGHwRlSLbw== From: "Murray Taylor" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: issue with IPF firewall state tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 04:53:05 -0000 Back Story: Old Server (X32 system, probably FreeBSD 4.3-ish)=20 New Server (Dual core, X64 with plenty of RAM) running 8.1-RELEASE New Server was put in production last night as a core router, with=20 the same rc.conf, firewall rule set and config from the old router=20 that has been working for years. At around 12 Lunchtime we had reports of no internet connectivity,=20 I've jumped onto the router and seen that it is blocking a whole=20 heap of internal to external DNS server traffic, along with other=20 would-be allowed traffic. I promptly flushed the firewall ruleset with "ipf -Fa", and noted=20 that the rules did clear - Issue still existing. I re-loaded the rule set, no change. Upon restart, the router began to behave itself again... I have been using "ipfstat -ts | grep active" to get a count of=20 state entries, and comparing to the 4013 default. We are sitting on around ~2000 state entries. I am aware I can=20 flush the state table, but until the router breaks itself again,=20 I cannot clear it. Does this sound like a full state table? Am I using the best=20 method to check? Is there any form of notification that this=20 is happening anywhere? --=20 Murray Taylor Bytecraft Systems Special Projects Engineer P: +61 3 8710 0600 D: +61 3 9238 5168 F: +61 3 9238 5140 =20|_|0|_| "Absence of evidence =20|_|_|0| is not evidence of absence" =20|0|0|0| Carl Sagan =20 --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material.=20 E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --------------------------------------------------------------- ### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses by Bytecraft ### From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 07:54:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB261065679 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AB88FC13 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pA77rwRO056370; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:53:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:53:58 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Chris In-Reply-To: <20111105225546.91B0C1065764@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20111107180715.U72449@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20111105225546.91B0C1065764@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recursive copy with spaces in descendants X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:54:02 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 387, Issue 10, Message: 34 On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:49:29 -0400 Chris wrote: > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Chris wrote: > >> I apologize for the lack of detail. The command I'm using is: > >> ( cd /usr/local/etc/transmission/home/Downloads/ ; tar cf - . ) | ( cd > >> /mnt/usb ; tar xf - ) > > > > Show, don't tell. What does tar report when you run it? Indeed this helps, especially now we also know it's msdosfs .. > The following messages display: > > ./: Can't set user=921/group=921 for . > ./Reboot S1 - 01 [3FD6C4B2].mkv: Can't create 'Reboot S1 - 01 [3FD6C4B2].mkv' > > The last message (can't create) repeats for all files in the > directory. Running 'ls -al /mnt/usb' yields: > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 32768 Dec 31 1979 . > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 512 Nov 5 03:04 .. > > Where /mnt/usb was originally empty in the first place. Something I've seen noone mention is that msdosfs has no concept of user or group, so "Can't set user=921/group=921 for ." makes perfect sense. Your 'ls -al' above showing "root wheel" indicates permissions related to the mount point. If you'd mounted it as a normal user it could show "user user" ownerships, unrelated to what msdosfs stores on the disk. Similarly, mount_msdosfs(8) -u, -g and -m switches don't affect what's written to the disk, but only how the filesystem appears to FreeBSD. For example, a 'cp -pR /etc /mnt/usb" also complains about not being able to set the ownership or permissions (other than DOS' read-only attribute) on target files, but it will still copy them ok, including filenames with spaces - but not with '&,+' or other non-DOS characters. So maybe tar gives up before writing, because the ownership is wrong? Perhaps the -o and -p options to tar(1) might help here, but the bottom line is that msdosfs is not really a suitable target for UFS files. I tend to use zip(1) - which keeps perms and ownership, though not hard links - to stash dirs and files on msdosfs, but format flash disks - or at least one or more slices on them - as UFS for real backup purposes. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 09:20:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17018106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70948FC1C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so4835370ggn.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:20:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=z49SRfq4HuJix8vbJ3VV7aw/3poikH8fFkvPEHONGG0=; b=R5w1HDxDO0FzAedetQ6xVckrQb3Nuq8SoBr+68zmStkPB6A43AYt9PzegsU0ZHiZQ2 rwhHrq64RUPjNWGQrjoCIM1LfFQ2Jw4qE6JpNbjz/sInQZXBJTq3pfF/Am934/Oh3B+V ja/IRPcENfxGj25S7QFTbne0yaDJZkM02sZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.180.101 with SMTP id i65mr33408657yhm.21.1320657632192; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.95.45 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:20:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:31 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Robert Simmons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpdate on boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:20:33 -0000 On 6 November 2011 02:51, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Warren Block wrote: > > netwait_enable="YES" > > netwait_ip="192.168.1.1" # IP address to ping to verify network is up > > netwait_if="em0" # interface to use > > > > > > Also there's netwait_timeout, which defaults to 60 in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > I've finally got a combination of suggested configurations that get me > to where I want to be (using ntpd, ntpdate, and netwait). > > However, I've found that I still need ntpdate_enable="YES" rather than > ntpd_sync_on_start="YES". The reason for this is that I'm running at > securelevel 3, and ntpd takes too long to get up, running, and sync > the clock. By the time it tries to adjust the clock, secure level has > already been raised preventing the adjustment. > > Is there a way to make securelevel wait until ntpd has made its > adjustments? When I use ntpdate at this point, it seems like the init > scripts are sequential, and it waits until ntpdate is done before > continuing and later raising securelevel. > > It seems that even though ntpdate is deprecated that it is still > required if you want to run securelevel 3. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Another thing you may want to look at is your switchport config (assuming its managed), if you are running STP it can take upto a minute for the port to go into forwarding state after the line is up. You can do two things to get around this. 1. use rstp instead - this is the better safer way forward. However you may not have control of the network and could be a big thing to do depending on your organization. 2. enable portfast on the relevant switches. This is potentially dangerous as it disables stp and therefore potentially exposes you to switching loops. However if the port is only ever plugged into on machine and EU dont play with the cables shold be fine From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 09:31:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCAC106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:31:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955858FC16 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA79VKOs018797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:31:20 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk pA79VKOs018797 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1320658280; bh=sFZCzjyzibuaeD0DckJUx6tgLxxO8K7eOWLWMM9tVFA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=rqk6YUUWcXgJVZkq7AzO2ZwQqoKUPS8M0i0urLZDzHgR54cU9/FmBwRC36t4PAQh4 voMeA4ZGs6Kqv0J29TfwLvt6EFnIz+5LEmtUGB8II7qG0SFxpm47lbKPjHdB15wumo oUrpIV2yHFlCNNMuxcK+lB26u3YCKsPOzoWMVTEM= Message-ID: <4EB7A55D.3000402@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:31:09 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <867h3ddped.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC3F91B0AEEAC013BBB9C7F73" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: painful binary upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:31:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC3F91B0AEEAC013BBB9C7F73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/11/2011 19:25, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > When following the instructions at=20 >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.2R/announce.html >=20 > to go from 8.1 to 8.2, I'm presented during the command: >=20 > freebsd-update upgrade -r 8.2-RELEASE >=20 > with no less than *** 322 *** files that differ only by the CVS tag. >=20 The tag presumably being $FreeBSD$? Is it specifically a CVS tag? As opposed to a SVN tag?[*] If the former, then ever since the primary src repo switched to SVN, all of the files under /etc will get a version number bump as a consequence of generating a new release even if the contents didn't change. Before SVN that didn't happen. If the files are taken directly from SVN, then I think the revision number in any file should remain the same in all release branches unless the file contents are changed. Perhaps generating freebsd-update changesets directly out of SVN rather than via CVS would go a long way to avoiding this problem. Cheers, Matthew [*] The pertinent difference being that CVS has version numbers with one or more decimal points in them, whilst SVN uses an integer value. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigC3F91B0AEEAC013BBB9C7F73 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk63pWgACgkQ8Mjk52CukIw39QCfSIegOs91jSYgqGl78qD6qosD PioAn3QPxCR18s4RBWzljMkIPDvq0yzW =oY6S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC3F91B0AEEAC013BBB9C7F73-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 10:05:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDA1106566B; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D018FC0A; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RNLme-0002gH-H4>; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:28 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RNLme-0001RA-F4>; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:28 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111031 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "freebsd-current >> Current FreeBSD" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: multimedia/vlc: suddenly no graphical interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:05:54 -0000 On all of my used FreeBSD 9.0-RCX and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT boxes (all amd64 and CLANG compiled), I do not have a graphical user interface in VLC anymore. Instead, calling vlc most recent 1.1.11), I get this error: VLC media player 1.1.11 The Luggage (revision exported) Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") [0x8020521b0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. [0x80205ad70] main interface error: option qt-volume-complete does not exist [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: no suitable dialogs provider found (hint: compile the qt4 plugin, and make sure it is loaded properly) [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: cannot instanciate qt4 dialogs provider [0x8020521b0] main libvlc error: interface "default" initialization failed Recompiling the multimedia/vlc port did not help, also unsuccessful was the recompilation of any qt4-port installed on the system. I also tried to find the local configuration files in my home directory and delete them, without any success. Is there something wrong with the DBUS subsystem named in the error? Help appreciated, thanks. Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 10:14:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100FD106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27EE8FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:14:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-111-140.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.111.140]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20111107101410H0100n3p63e>; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:14:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.111.140] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20111103103218.58F8D106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <20111103121444.1e7253bf.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <20111107101413.100FD106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Burning CDs or DVDs with SATA drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:14:13 -0000 from my previous message: > Does growisofs work on CDRs or only DVDs? > If 'cdrecord -scanbus' doesn't work at all, how do I get the "SCSI device" n:n:n? Use camcontrol? > I see both FreeBSD and NetBSD have makefs (which can make a UFS/FFS or iso file system, taking the place of mkisofs in cdrtools. But NetBSD has no CD or DVD burner in the base system. > I could also try to build cdrkit and see if that works. At that stage I hadn't looked in the Makefile to see that cdrkit was not an option on FreeBSD 9.0 . So far, I tried cdrecord and readcd only as root, so permissions ought not yet to be an issue. amelia2# camcontrol devlist at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0) at scbus5 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,cd0) at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0) at scbus7 target 0 lun 1 (pass3,ses0) at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (da1,pass4) at scbus9 target 0 lun 0 (da2,pass5) amelia2# readcd dev=5,0,0 sectors=0-0 - readcd: Device not ready. I got same results after running "kldload atapicam". Also, cdrecord -scanbus didn't work at all. In Linux, beginning with kernel 2.6, cdrtools work with ATA or IDE CD or DVD burners without inserting a SCSI layer. Maybe I need to build and install growisofs (sysutils/dvd+rw-tools)? I have /dev/xpt0 even without "kldload atapicam", also /dev/pass*. cdrtools use "dev=n1,n2,n3", which don't have to be all zero. I had intended, and still intend, to build a Linux installation, may or may not bother with NetBSD. I want to see what Linux can do that FreeBSD can't, how and if the device drivers are superior. NetBSD has no USB 3.0 support now or in the foreseeable future, and otherwise doesn't like my hardware; I tried before installing FreeBSD. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 11:28:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC90106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndhertbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E408A8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so8487626iab.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:28:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zZ7OBczgXSJU4MrtE7vyY85LxyInuYRPvWCKLGVNIrQ=; b=RYw2HCqZy9XZewhPY67voIikaWlmK+nYNizlUfbMxxq27updr1KVJH2bnW6V6rV2rL Y31OtYh3aXF1fR0CotTduRWsapfW5QMeRwQWCNkIINirLnfh2kEhE55izd6DxzYHevTy fcMWjCeIIV0+KSG0vEJGxmswV1q0BaxaywfaI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.133 with SMTP id u5mr47158470icw.8.1320665282812; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.167.67 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:28:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:28:02 +0100 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: kwm@freebsd.org Subject: poppler-qt-0.16.7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:28:04 -0000 Some changes where done about poppler-* There is an entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING about poppler-gtk (which I don't have), but I do have poppler-qt (nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING) ... # pkgdb -F gives Stale origin: 'graphics/poppler-qt': perhaps moved or obsoleted. Skip this for now? [yes] To skip it without asking in future, please list it in HOLD_PKGS. Is there a similar instruction for poppler-qt and for portupgrade (not postmaster which I don't have) ? poppler-qt is used here: # pkg_info -R poppler-qt-0.16.7 Information for poppler-qt-0.16.7: Required by: kdegraphics-3.5.10_9 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 12:05:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28828106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E548FC0A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [92.76.90.134] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RNNxS-00039m-Dn; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:05:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Warren Block" References: Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.2/13901/Mon Nov 7 05:16:50 2011) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:05:50 -0000 Am 07.11.2011, 02:19 Uhr, schrieb Warren Block : > > ifconfig_DEFAULT="DHCP" > > It's not well documented. I'd also suggest using SYNCDHCP as more > likely to work predictably on unknown equipment. Wow. That's *a lot* easier than what I came up with. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 12:13:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB80106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6120B8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [92.76.90.134] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RNO4u-0003xl-Bf; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:13:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Marco Steinbach" References: Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:13:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.2/13901/Mon Nov 7 05:16:50 2011) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Get list of ethernet devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:13:29 -0000 Am 07.11.2011, 02:24 Uhr, schrieb Marco Steinbach : > I'd be interested in testing the results (or possible steps thereto) of > your efforts in creating a customized, bootable FreeBSD USB stick image, > if that's feasible. > I am not creating an image at all. What I did is: - Download memstick image from freebsd.org, copy to stick - Plug stick and external drive into computer - Boot from stick, install to external drive Worked like a charm. Next I'll create packages from the software on the server, pkg_info | cut -d " " -f 1 | xargs pkg_create -b copy them over to the external drive and pkg_add them. I guess I could just dd the result to another drive, stick or to an image file. 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kwm@rainbow-runner.nl) Received: from fep21.mx.upcmail.net (fep21.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E178FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge03.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.238]) by viefep14-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111107124808.IVTW1569.viefep14-int.chello.at@edge03.upcmail.net>; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([178.84.137.57]) by edge03.upcmail.net with edge id uCo61h00p1EUzH603Co7b5; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0100 X-SourceIP: 178.84.137.57 Message-ID: <1320670086.1756.2.camel@crashalot.rainbow-runner.nl> From: Koop Mast To: n dhert Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:48:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=akqUFMt1GmEbn2RKYE4wOTy7PWQofK6dSKgPxstVG6s= c=1 sm=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=7mtYOznghGf_wP4DQ2EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: kwm@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: poppler-qt-0.16.7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:09:33 -0000 On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 12:28 +0100, n dhert wrote: > Some changes where done about poppler-* > There is an entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING about poppler-gtk (which I > don't > have), but I do have poppler-qt (nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING) ... > # pkgdb -F > gives > Stale origin: 'graphics/poppler-qt': perhaps moved or obsoleted. > Skip this for now? [yes] > To skip it without asking in future, please list it in HOLD_PKGS. > > Is there a similar instruction for poppler-qt > and for portupgrade (not postmaster which I don't have) ? > > poppler-qt is used here: > # pkg_info -R poppler-qt-0.16.7 > Information for poppler-qt-0.16.7: > Required by: > kdegraphics-3.5.10_9 > Oops, I accidently wrote graphics/poppler-qt3 instead of poppler-qt, I fix that thanks. The poppler support in kdegraphics3 has been disabled so there isn't any problems. -Koop From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 13:13:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F399106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8F28FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (lon.namesco.net [195.7.254.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7DDFtM077613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:13:15 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4EB7D96B.4050405@unsane.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:13:15 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Noelia=2ESacrist=E1n=22?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for Reproduction Rights (Oxford University Press Spain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:13:17 -0000 On 07/11/2011 11:30, Noelia.Sacristán wrote: > Dear = Sir, > > > We are a = Spanish Publishing House, Oxford University Press Spain, > that publishes = textbooks for Spanish primary and secondary school. > We are interested in = including, in a textbook of secondary education > of Computing, the logo = of FreeBSD. > > > The logo = will be reproduce with educational purposes only. Therefore > we would = appreciate if you can tell us these reproductions will > cause any = problem. > > > If there is = no problem with the reproduction, please send me by > e-mail an = authorisation and the copyright line to credit you in our > = textbook. The current logo is registered to the freebsd foundation, see http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html Guidelines on its use can be found at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml Vince > > <= o:p> > > Thank you = very much in advance. > > > Best = regards, > > Noelia > > _______________________ > > > Noelia Sacristán Ruiz > > Departamento de documentación > > > Oxford University Press España, S.A. > > Tlf: +34 91 660 26 00 > > Fax: +34 91 660 26 29 > > ___________________________ > > > 3D"Descripción: > > [1]= Pincha aquí para ver los videos<= /p> > > > La información transmitida es para la persona o = entidad a la que > va expresamente dirigida y puede contener material = confidencial. > Queda prohibido el examen, la retransmisión, la = diseminación o > cualquier otro uso de la información al igual que = cualquier > acción tomada en relación con la misma por personas o = entidades > distintas a los destinatarios expresos del mensaje. Si Vd. = recibe > esto por error, se ruega contacte con el remitente y elimine el mensaje de cualquier ordenador. > > P > > Antes de imprimir este correo electrónico = piense si es necesario > hacerlo. El medio ambiente también es cosa = nuestra. > > References > > 1. 3D"http://www.myoxfordenglish.es/moe/videos-ingles-my-oxford-english > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 13:40:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD82106566C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out9.libero.it (cp-out9.libero.it [212.52.84.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF72A8FC1A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0206.4EB7DD0A.0045,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.154.39) by cp-out9.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4EA2ECE1024FD3F2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:28:42 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7DSWbP014676 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:28:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:28:32 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110930 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:40:00 -0000 Hello. I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute a script on them whenever that happens. Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some utility/port/deamon that already does this? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 14:20:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D9A106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sghctoma@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A498FC16 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7328010faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 06:20:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=8BDYtR8XVLwRcPVy/YI6+Sw1WMI32cGUv/l7LIXS4fQ=; b=AQAYVPplHovTuPX+rKDMcdvGSGJ0PwRe7kEw1noj91H5zh2ReVjejWdWDOnJgiooaJ RqWSe+Xhf47tOfSHnQ5kRqRN0QNcxmXc0LBcjrQVHl9yYGR9uZrpSV7DpY1IRjv3uZS4 Mgy6qF6WsEP+liNvXVyh7fBSqy20SQiA2AqvI= Received: by 10.152.132.72 with SMTP id os8mr6555184lab.4.1320674290302; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 05:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mail.praudit.hu. [89.135.48.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id me18sm8574671lab.10.2011.11.07.05.58.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:58:07 +0100 From: Tamas Szakaly To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111107135807.GC5095@izebigyomicsoda.chello.hu> References: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:20:53 -0000 On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 02:28:32PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute a > script on them whenever that happens. > Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some > utility/port/deamon that already does this? > > bye & Thanks > av. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" hi, check out sysutils/wait_on! regards, sghctoma From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 14:26:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C325106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D588FC0A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA7EQd2W063450; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA7EQd7o063447; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:26:39 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> Message-ID: References: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:26:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:41 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute a script > on them whenever that happens. > Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some utility/port/deamon > that already does this? There's devel/gamin. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 15:21:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DBA106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out7.libero.it (cp-out7.libero.it [212.52.84.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846A28FC0C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:21:46 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0204.4EB7F788.022D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.154.39) by cp-out7.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4E9539DD03CEA67C; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7FLeXg037157; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:21:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4EB7F784.7020104@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:21:40 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110930 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:21:47 -0000 On 11/07/11 15:26, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > >> I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute a >> script on them whenever that happens. >> Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some >> utility/port/deamon that already does this? > > There's devel/gamin. Thanks for the answer. AFAICT gamin is a library; from there I'd need to develop some daemon, provide rc scripts, etc... My question was whether such a thing already exists. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 15:23:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D67106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDCB8FC17 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBEA1E.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.234.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pA7FNIpB040435; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:23:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pA7FN7JA048641; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:23:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7FMQ8Z011100; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:22:38 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201111071522.pA7FMQ8Z011100@fire.js.berklix.net> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Noelia=2ESacrist=E1n?= From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:30:32 +0100." Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:22:26 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: mckusick@mckusick.com, board@freebsdfoundation.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for Reproduction Rights (Oxford University Press Spain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:23:22 -0000 > Dear Sir, Hi, To quote: http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html "All images listed under the heading "Resource" are available for use under license from The FreeBSD Foundation." which links to http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml If you have queries, rather than asking on this questions@freebsd.org, (where you will at best just get various personal views), Try someone here if you want something official http://freebsdfoundation.org/contact.shtml eg board at freebsdfoundation dot org I added CC for you. > We are a Spanish Publishing House, Oxford University Press Spain, that = > publishes textbooks for Spanish primary and secondary school. We are = > interested in including, in a textbook of secondary education of = > Computing, the logo of FreeBSD.=20 > > =20 > > The logo will be reproduce with educational purposes only. Therefore we = > would appreciate if you can tell us these reproductions will cause any = > problem. I would anticipate no problem (& still no problem either even if it was commercial so long as used within spirit of [Free]BSD). (But that's just my individual off the cuff opinion as a long term BSD person) PS If you also want to use BSD generic logo (to refer to class of FreeBSD NetBSD OpenBSD & other BSDs etc) that's copyright of Kirk McKusick his contact is here: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html You'll find he's also OK no problem, so long as logos only used appropriately :-) I added him to CC too. > =20 > > If there is no problem with the reproduction, please send me by e-mail = > an authorisation and the copyright line to credit you in our textbook. See http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/ http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html > > =20 > > Thank you very much in advance. > > =20 > > Best regards, > > Noelia > > =20 > > _______________________ > > =20 > > Noelia Sacrist=E1n Ruiz > > Departamento de documentaci=F3n > > =20 > > Oxford University Press Espa=F1a, S.A. > > Tlf: +34 91 660 26 00 > > Fax: +34 91 660 26 29 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 15:40:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175FC106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:40:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Frank.Brendel@eurolog.com) Received: from dmz.eurolog.com (elomail.eurolog.com [194.50.162.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0DC8FC0C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elomail2.eurolog.com by dmz.eurolog.com via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) with ESMTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:40:15 +0100 Received: from [10.2.2.157] (10.2.2.157) by elomail2.eurolog.com (10.2.1.199) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.339.1; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:29:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB7F965.2010403@eurolog.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:29:41 +0100 From: Frank Brendel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> <4EB7F784.7020104@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <4EB7F784.7020104@netfence.it> X-ESET-AS: SCORE=2 X-EsetResult: clean, is OK X-EsetId: 6CFE3B22178F41233CBE61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:40:16 -0000 || I think sysutils/wait_on is what you are looking for. Am 07.11.2011 16:21, schrieb Andrea Venturoli: > On 11/07/11 15:26, Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> >>> I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute a >>> script on them whenever that happens. >>> Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some >>> utility/port/deamon that already does this? >> >> There's devel/gamin. > > Thanks for the answer. > AFAICT gamin is a library; from there I'd need to develop some daemon, > provide rc scripts, etc... > > My question was whether such a thing already exists. > > bye > av. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 17:27:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C361065672 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deb@freebsdfoundation.org) Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [70.89.174.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB59E8FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Deb-Goodkins-MacBook-Pro.local (c-71-196-153-166.hsd1.co.comcast.net [71.196.153.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7Go5QK051157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from deb@freebsdfoundation.org) Message-ID: <4EB80BDE.6020902@freebsdfoundation.org> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:48:30 -0700 From: Deb Goodkin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Noelia=2ESacrist=E1n=22?= References: <201111071522.pA7FMQ8Z011100@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201111071522.pA7FMQ8Z011100@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (aslan.scsiguy.com [70.89.174.89]); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:50:07 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: mckusick@mckusick.com, board@freebsdfoundation.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for Reproduction Rights (Oxford University Press Spain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:27:44 -0000 Dear Noelia, To receive permission to use the FreeBSD trademarks, please read the Trademark Usage Terms and Conditions at: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml. Then send an email to me that states you agree with the document. Also, can you please include how you are going to use the trademarks? And, include any artwork that you may have. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Deb Goodkin Director of Operations The FreeBSD Foundation On 11/7/11 8:22 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Dear Sir, > Hi, > To quote: > http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > "All images listed under the heading "Resource" are available for > use under license from The FreeBSD Foundation." > > which links to > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml > > If you have queries, rather than asking on this questions@freebsd.org, > (where you will at best just get various personal views), > Try someone here if you want something official > http://freebsdfoundation.org/contact.shtml > eg board at freebsdfoundation dot org > I added CC for you. > > >> We are a Spanish Publishing House, Oxford University Press Spain, that = >> publishes textbooks for Spanish primary and secondary school. We are = >> interested in including, in a textbook of secondary education of = >> Computing, the logo of FreeBSD.=20 >> >> =20 >> >> The logo will be reproduce with educational purposes only. Therefore we = >> would appreciate if you can tell us these reproductions will cause any = >> problem. > I would anticipate no problem (& still no problem either even if > it was commercial so long as used within spirit of [Free]BSD). > (But that's just my individual off the cuff opinion as a long term BSD person) > > PS If you also want to use BSD generic logo > (to refer to class of FreeBSD NetBSD OpenBSD& other BSDs etc) > that's copyright of Kirk McKusick his contact is here: > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > You'll find he's also OK no problem, so long as logos only > used appropriately :-) > I added him to CC too. > >> =20 >> >> If there is no problem with the reproduction, please send me by e-mail = >> an authorisation and the copyright line to credit you in our textbook. > See > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/ > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html > >> =20 >> >> Thank you very much in advance. >> >> =20 >> >> Best regards, >> >> Noelia >> >> =20 >> >> _______________________ >> >> =20 >> >> Noelia Sacrist=E1n Ruiz >> >> Departamento de documentaci=F3n >> >> =20 >> >> Oxford University Press Espa=F1a, S.A. >> >> Tlf: +34 91 660 26 00 >> >> Fax: +34 91 660 26 29 > Cheers, > Julian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 17:53:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60061065670 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 801E48FC16 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:39:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.237] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:39:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:39:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 178012.32325.bm@omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41276 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 17:39:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320687592; bh=NkrxEEfYWbebfb2Z65cOre+8PKs2M+Dfpq3c8jrNBao=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GNNH4zTaLtGZ90pmSJ/dB1jUKVbfnJiydZAi2WvsYof5UDNCfnKKCBtQmdqcBg0VbTpr5kpK/n+81t0y6xECm7N5EnfpONQuXfJoJuoTfgu1VWgtxmMpbuwFE6brIVaNe6TohlKpO3VC+GjqZiIEhvZDqEjMqIj4kC81s/az1KQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LIafKKstaTd2K44yREyZpv51LgGSSgI6/d03iCDGYe2mIUuLp+dlEifzQ97H7GfW5dOsnvaV02o9aMtfm2vs6oz5kArY+AIculORd5AbeArw+Jgr9KpnOvUfK7xbMrzQrg67uxG1qWk76K67BTgYmNYDwgMCgMaPe/fQKUtnl0o=; X-YMail-OSG: kliVJWQVM1kp.IHTncracgzXiI6DYnITCRekwyCuw3iNv3U LIUamVMsOejqHO4yygTBtjIUc_VyCgKAN7.7scnxBbRlL1igLQsWjZH5VmRC iVoLDzNqVtzWkO77TRN7f6.inpT9sfMUmHoJEwhopzq2L4qVTA_e40wiv7dW lGUsYvhpXiIbpAEDtKJG23Hfu.b8Hbj.Ko_wvYGgaHWs_tHL1Tvh3xhEnJRv WQoHHr44iwksDIeRwb4BlnKMyFSX5eSOQmES2_FHhNfOuuwmxJpcLoAgY.eT NY5UUvv1eTFKRTfWbmmDCZANvWrTRxUiRqQD4XNmvrYG2lnEB8D1_cEpPTcL oveofezEWO01v3UyZZVnBJuG6KOhofLKUFwN1iEaZ35FumU3EI6LFOrOJhy5 M.FHFNXOXmwnzTStgmqQrCCiDCZH.8OhEcy0- Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:39:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:53:48 -0000 =0A=0AWhy does it say my main root partition is full when it's not? It's on= ly using 146 Meg out of a possible 507 Meg=0A=0A=0AFilesystem=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1024-blocks=A0=A0=A0=A0 Used=A0=A0=A0=A0 Avail Capacity=A0 = Mounted on=0A/dev/ad4s1a=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0= =A0 495736=A0=A0=A0 -28716=A0=A0 106%=A0=A0=A0 /=0Adevfs=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 100%=A0=A0=A0 /dev=0A/dev/ad4s1e=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 22=A0=A0=A0 4= 66998=A0=A0=A0=A0 0%=A0=A0=A0 /tmp=0A/dev/ad4s1f=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 231510140 42142584 170846746=A0=A0=A0 20%=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A/dev/ad4s1d= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2004302=A0=A0 117636=A0=A0 1726322=A0= =A0=A0=A0 6%=A0=A0=A0 /var=0A# du -hxd1 / =0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /.snap=0A512B=A0= =A0=A0 /dev=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /tmp=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /var= =0A4.3M=A0=A0=A0 /etc=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /cdrom=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /dist=0A990K= =A0=A0=A0 /bin=0A127M=A0=A0=A0 /boot=0A5.9M=A0=A0=A0 /lib=0A342K=A0=A0=A0 /= libexec=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /media=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /mnt=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /proc= =0A3.7M=A0=A0=A0 /rescue=0A=A040K=A0=A0=A0 /root=0A3.9M=A0=A0=A0 /sbin=0A2.= 0K=A0=A0=A0 /command=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /service=0A146M=A0=A0=A0 / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 17:56:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CAF106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4AA28FC1A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:44:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:44:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:44:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 979917.1269.bm@omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13077 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 17:44:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320687852; bh=Ce91E3etoG26+lHgM3+O6SWfgd8/qdvdBB4y7PqYyYM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vy4XOIt80Y003J+ex7eWAWj2MFYOcVSP14g41yb4dQYi7Xc/niFkGjOVNbI2gYJKttwzedGG+E9QDNpB1Nwk6BbSzgvcT7QMVIm7T65hi44j+ozDJXxRpwpD3WX4QHcScoRjBxTIuQHb6vRFTAsUgyoRSxK03uJiuEklkRB5lss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a15wH9HJy0dde6Qs5TwhAI07PSBgO24JF50ShQf+Lkx+7PxoXFWcvWeon7iH7wf1AbngsHYA05Qfw+OR1ohcu++LW8r/eo5eNKwe4QUALjOfRRmOihXmKni8LzVtildZ/Tc2Jpb9DoNutdYMae5RXCOQsREOdZaZPbOQxohFar8=; X-YMail-OSG: U2yXvr0VM1nc8SCPuL8RGMJVrjWsQuxHFjFuglxbvDr_odn DKFA1fDj_wldU0p43xsLKiBFALNa6lBj41dPAwHPExEHjDBsqQqRd2eLenAX cwoUKLM.EigvuPR9bJim.hSNcfWHkKpJCVQDBbubx9cz5GmH3AHZ20ohod.p ibuId1u4JXXKMcdDQ0fR710jZPITYHlVNpSyKG30a3AOvqkj7.zOwwZEKtA8 sz8V11Pb.gEOFs8UwkM1d5V3tuuNDQSTQvYR_bEPiq9NCBaN1DV.bG.Ahmv9 F8oDzrFd8G05Y_wicCJR5aUW9EzshL9vzJYuUTKAC5gF7ZnjN30tm2gS32Kj pCpU0Q2K1BdBP1NYI2CeP9SpeRUO8twdmbi3rzTR2Ebr0EjKPW0BuR3V6Lnp sudULLUTYddJ2kUZ88dGhCMpGZeCDN.5o3AE- Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:44:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:56:32 -0000 Why does it say my main root partition is full when it's not? It's only usi= ng 146 Meg out of a possible 507 Meg=0A=0A=0AFilesystem=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1024-blocks=A0=A0=A0=A0 Used=A0=A0=A0=A0 Avail Capacity=A0 Mounte= d on=0A/dev/ad4s1a=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0=A0 4957= 36=A0=A0=A0 -28716=A0=A0 106%=A0=A0=A0=0A /=0Adevfs=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 100%=A0=A0=A0 /dev=0A/dev/ad4s1e=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 22=A0=A0=A0 466998= =A0=A0=A0=A0 0%=A0=A0=A0=0A /tmp=0A/dev/ad4s1f=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 231510140 42142584 170846746=A0=A0=A0 20%=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A/dev/ad4s1d= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2004302=A0=A0 117636=A0=A0 1726322=A0= =A0=A0=A0 6%=A0=A0=A0 /var=0A# du -hxd1 / =0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /.snap=0A512B=A0= =A0=A0 /dev=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /tmp=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /var= =0A4.3M=A0=A0=A0 /etc=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /cdrom=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /dist=0A990K= =A0=A0=A0=0A /bin=0A127M=A0=A0=A0 /boot=0A5.9M=A0=A0=A0 /lib=0A342K=A0=A0= =A0 /libexec=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /media=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /mnt=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /p= roc=0A3.7M=A0=A0=A0 /rescue=0A=A040K=A0=A0=A0 /root=0A3.9M=A0=A0=A0 /sbin= =0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /command=0A2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /service=0A146M=A0=A0=A0 / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:01:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4A6106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4368FC19 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.52]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3748FA7030B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1609 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 18:01:53 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 10988, pid: 10046, t: 0.1373s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:13513 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2011 18:01:53 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B6E8B2E0EA; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: rtsit References: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:01:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> (rtsit@yahoo.com's message of "Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:44:12 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:01:55 -0000 Try the FAQ entry titled "The du and df commands show different amounts of disk space available. What is going on?". You can find it at: http://be-well.ilk.org/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#DU-VS-DF From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:02:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD8C10656A3; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189E18FC14; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7646713faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WKJODiGx89F6rxjZQ2rwbLVw/MGi6Z3SHOaeB7KQ7jE=; b=ZAnUbp4v0q5fz1/vjps7hGz/ewFMSrWJmfIUNoXg0PALUazcd4AXU9HnUFaF7QpXUe HvseBeNGkS7B0/8Z/z6zNrDCJYFUPpACHrgiQuaYSbuINJSZ4bcvgZ/269PJ2SlhPQlk PIJ0tffDoFH/T3AuAf3nXwgRQMh1mGpeh8HrY= Received: by 10.152.162.10 with SMTP id xw10mr6884870lab.12.1320687233341; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.jennejohn.org (p578E35E4.dip.t-dialin.net. [87.142.53.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id or3sm9047473lab.8.2011.11.07.09.33.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:33:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:33:49 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111107183349.76e52976@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multimedia/vlc: suddenly no graphical interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:02:26 -0000 On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:28 +0100 "O. Hartmann" wrote: > On all of my used FreeBSD 9.0-RCX and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT boxes (all > amd64 and CLANG compiled), I do not have a graphical user interface in > VLC anymore. Instead, calling vlc most recent 1.1.11), I get this error: > > VLC media player 1.1.11 The Luggage (revision exported) > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") > [0x8020521b0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use > 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. > [0x80205ad70] main interface error: option qt-volume-complete does not exist > [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: no suitable dialogs provider found > (hint: compile the qt4 plugin, and make sure it is loaded properly) > [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: cannot instanciate qt4 dialogs > provider > [0x8020521b0] main libvlc error: interface "default" initialization failed > > > Recompiling the multimedia/vlc port did not help, also unsuccessful was > the recompilation of any qt4-port installed on the system. I also tried > to find the local configuration files in my home directory and delete > them, without any success. > > Is there something wrong with the DBUS subsystem named in the error? > No, this is what I seea and my GUI works: VLC media player 1.1.5 The Luggage (revision exported) Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") Blocked: call to setlocale(0, "") Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffff9fbcb0, 0x7fffff9fbcd0) [0x801c86b70] qt4 interface error: Unable to load extensions module Warning: call to rand() Warning: call to rand() Warning: call to rand() Warning: call to rand() Warning: call to rand() Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffffffd5e0, 0x7fffffffd600) Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffffffd600, 0x0) The version of vlc which I'm using: drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Sep 5 14:03 /var/db/pkg/vlc-1.1.5,3 -- Gary Jennejohn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:05:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5951065679 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A46A8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so6470846wyg.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:05:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.102.4 with SMTP id fk4mr8970625wib.15.1320689143099; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.81.193 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:05:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:05:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: rtsit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:05:45 -0000 WW91J3JlIG1pc3Rha2VuLiA7LSkgIDQ5NTczNiAvIDUwNzYzMCwgd2l0aCBzb21lIG1hcmdpbiBm b3IgZnJlZQpzcGFjZSwgbWVhbnMgeW91J3JlIGZ1bGwuCgpCb290IGluIHNpbmdsZSB1c2VyIG1v ZGUuCmZvciBlYWNoIG1vdW50IHBvaW50ICggL3RtcCAvdXNyIC92YXIgKQpjaGZsYWdzIC1SIG5v c2NoZyAvPG1vdW50IHBvaW50PgpybSAtcmYgLzxtb3VudCBwb2ludD4vKgoKWW91IHByb2JhYmx5 IGhhdmUgYSBsb3Qgb2YgaGlkZGVuIGZpbGVzIGNvdmVyZWQgYnkgdGhlIG1vdW50ZWQgZmlsZXN5 c3RlbXMuCgotIE0KCk9uIE1vbiwgTm92IDcsIDIwMTEgYXQgOTozOSBBTSwgcnRzaXQgPHJ0c2l0 QHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4KPgo+IFdoeSBkb2VzIGl0IHNheSBteSBtYWluIHJvb3QgcGFy dGl0aW9uIGlzIGZ1bGwgd2hlbiBpdCdzIG5vdD8gSXQncyBvbmx5IHVzaW5nIDE0NiBNZWcgb3V0 IG9mIGEgcG9zc2libGUgNTA3IE1lZwo+Cj4KPiBGaWxlc3lzdGVtoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoCAxMDI0LWJsb2Nrc6CgoKAgVXNlZKCgoKAgQXZhaWwgQ2FwYWNpdHmg IE1vdW50ZWQgb24KPiAvZGV2L2FkNHMxYaCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgIDUwNzYzMKCgIDQ5NTczNqCgoCAtMjg3MTagoCAxMDYloKCgIC8KPiBkZXZmc6CgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgMaCgoKCgoKAgMaCg oKCgoKCgIDCgoCAxMDAloKCgIC9kZXYKPiAvZGV2L2FkNHMxZaCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgIDUwNzYzMKCgoKCgoCAyMqCgoCA0NjY5OTigoKCgIDAloKCgIC90 bXAKPiAvZGV2L2FkNHMxZqCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgIDIzMTUx MDE0MCA0MjE0MjU4NCAxNzA4NDY3NDagoKAgMjAloKCgIC91c3IKPiAvZGV2L2FkNHMxZKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgMjAwNDMwMqCgIDExNzYzNqCgIDE3MjYz MjKgoKCgIDYloKCgIC92YXIKPiAjIGR1IC1oeGQxIC8KPiAyLjBLoKCgIC8uc25hcAo+IDUxMkKg oKAgL2Rldgo+IDIuMEugoKAgL3RtcAo+IDIuMEugoKAgL3Vzcgo+IDIuMEugoKAgL3Zhcgo+IDQu M02goKAgL2V0Ywo+IDIuMEugoKAgL2Nkcm9tCj4gMi4wS6CgoCAvZGlzdAo+IDk5MEugoKAgL2Jp bgo+IDEyN02goKAgL2Jvb3QKPiA1LjlNoKCgIC9saWIKPiAzNDJLoKCgIC9saWJleGVjCj4gMi4w S6CgoCAvbWVkaWEKPiAyLjBLoKCgIC9tbnQKPiAyLjBLoKCgIC9wcm9jCj4gMy43TaCgoCAvcmVz Y3VlCj4goDQwS6CgoCAvcm9vdAo+IDMuOU2goKAgL3NiaW4KPiAyLjBLoKCgIC9jb21tYW5kCj4g Mi4wS6CgoCAvc2VydmljZQo+IDE0Nk2goKAgLwo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgbWFp bGluZyBsaXN0Cj4gaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZnJl ZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMKPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFpbCB0byAiZnJlZWJz ZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMtdW5zdWJzY3JpYmVAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmciCj4K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:21:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A531065670 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDDF8FC17 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7671164faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=33+t40VapoaudcSBSfPYfUU6aahfn1tIuPXTLtU9yDE=; b=iIVGR0DAB3MQh6Ig9Be3bvpIUpJ+2v0DQ6X9f4A35iCRUVaBnegkfUlW/OlFv0HgpV rslLUz8XmRlZx0Yp/O18IUmto+XF/OXhFfDS0lKnjQAf7GMoyQKC4apxGYE4jrSvGcJj x9m3FNpbwwUPuRgyVei98Vt4aJKhSS25iSMOw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.17.23 with SMTP id q23mr48567635faa.11.1320690105515; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.88.72 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:21:45 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: rtsit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:21:47 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM, rtsit wrote: > > > Why does it say my main root partition is full when it's not? It's only > using 146 Meg out of a possible 507 Meg > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#DU-VS-DF Boot in single user mode. > for each mount point ( /tmp /usr /var ) > chflags -R noschg / > rm -rf //* > This is terrible advice. There are proper methods for finding what's using the space and to recover it. You should use them. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:23:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFC61065673 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm36-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 323E88FC1D for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:23:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:23:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:23:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 765583.8803.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11515 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 18:23:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320690223; bh=EJEpTLvBAtyJREALPA92DBzfvnTLlnwJVgda7ZKHswE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C//mTlGrHAAqSzwfE5Tp0WjDV7G23zM61GaZpOhNAdsxD+fNsV1P+h1MgfkALb7gZEJTaRGUObcRnrw6ZWvpMmkqWF9uWSJtveqVIjmm0GjeFoT2+FkQ2iaOExu2FAKH4+HvyV23M+x8Pxm5RZWoLEwELeCnSJ7TJMCDojnsYX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MQxeGOkULOT5dGF2otDhD7+kYVhd9haeNzl8lowfkpF/yUmTrwiUP0dPbnzayXLFWDg644N2hrRNd5ySnY6yvg9HvsiotGiPaYcjzl35INwWwcXWNqSucbtPD3CSQBYMsGEBFk3ZV1JPU726QbidFWnyNhMwJYiMD8l4PiIc1tE=; X-YMail-OSG: waeU1IUVM1kwpPqoTUvdI0jkaZHGXk._EcslABfBnKdqqHR foR6.Bs3cRQYZsHrotwiss0QRqxmo2Iq2JABlJWKzu0Z1X.MlATh5Yj.RnJh FfVEXAPsPrbmr1fMJXNHfS7_ntuGc6F7IsNnVsHYm3QAYua.Sgn_.gSvvBW6 t45f__eLXwIv4D1CpJxqBTOVuirA6Ay70iBdvEZ05n2N_Pp4UP_eO74GeEJa 7qRH7UvO4q3l4NJyck1BvLYs9MAbvzRuaLTsq1Guv7sPUEP.UGLneEx.wB12 KVnoTAAXEsyXzejDl1.ymNZ0sM4CUFa7LwP74ojk2il44jE6xuT72r98SAYA xPu6UW0F2tQzzcbRZs0qLkhuk3VOZMRwWa9VKFrUhVxPyPxr1.t1OtDG9PmF M8tC9z.4qSpYSUyyKSPu1LEXLzAm1gPLYFxuUr4irgoVf9Ufe4ZJhcmZUTU0 - Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:23:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320690223.10604.YahooMailNeo@web121802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: Michael Sierchio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:23:45 -0000 Ok, I'll try this procedure as soon as I've got someone physically infront = of the console,=A0 and I'll report the results.=0A=0AThank you very much.= =A0 When it comes to root partition problems and remote SSHing, it always s= ends chills up my spine. :)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF= rom: Michael Sierchio =0ATo: rtsit =0A= Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent:= Monday, November 7, 2011 10:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: OH NO! Says root partitio= n / is full but it's not! I don't get it=0A=0AYou're mistaken. ;-)=A0 49573= 6 / 507630, with some margin for free=0Aspace, means you're full.=0A=0ABoot= in single user mode.=0Afor each mount point ( /tmp /usr /var )=0Achflags -= R noschg /=0Arm -rf //*=0A=0AYou probably have a = lot of hidden files covered by the mounted filesystems.=0A=0A- M=0A=0AOn Mo= n, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:39 AM, rtsit wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A> Why d= oes it say my main root partition is full when it's not? It's only using 14= 6 Meg out of a possible 507 Meg=0A>=0A>=0A> Filesystem=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 1024-blocks=A0=A0=A0=A0 Used=A0=A0=A0=A0 Avail Capacity=A0 Mounted o= n=0A> /dev/ad4s1a=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0=A0 4957= 36=A0=A0=A0 -28716=A0=A0 106%=A0=A0=A0 /=0A> devfs=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 100%=A0=A0=A0 /dev=0A> /dev/ad4s1e=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 507630=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 22=A0=A0=A0 4669= 98=A0=A0=A0=A0 0%=A0=A0=A0 /tmp=0A> /dev/ad4s1f=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 231510140 42142584 170846746=A0=A0=A0 20%=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A> /dev/ad4s1d= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2004302=A0=A0 117636=A0=A0 1726322=A0= =A0=A0=A0 6%=A0=A0=A0 /var=0A> # du -hxd1 /=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /.snap=0A> 51= 2B=A0=A0=A0 /dev=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /tmp=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /usr=0A> 2.0K=A0= =A0=A0 /var=0A> 4.3M=A0=A0=A0 /etc=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /cdrom=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0= =A0 /dist=0A> 990K=A0=A0=A0 /bin=0A> 127M=A0=A0=A0 /boot=0A> 5.9M=A0=A0=A0 = /lib=0A> 342K=A0=A0=A0 /libexec=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /media=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 = /mnt=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /proc=0A> 3.7M=A0=A0=A0 /rescue=0A> =A040K=A0=A0=A0 = /root=0A> 3.9M=A0=A0=A0 /sbin=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 /command=0A> 2.0K=A0=A0=A0 = /service=0A> 146M=A0=A0=A0 /=0A> __________________________________________= _____=0A> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> http://lists.freeb= sd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any mail= to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:26:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8062310657C2 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189A58FC22 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwp14 with SMTP id 14so7100078wwp.31 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:26:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.90.148 with SMTP id bw20mr9346785wib.33.1320690410899; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.81.193 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:26:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:26:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: rtsit , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:26:52 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Adam Vande More wr= ote: > This is terrible advice. =A0There are proper methods for finding what's u= sing > the space and to recover it. =A0You should use them. If there are files hidden by a covering mount, you won't find them when those filesystems are mounted. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:27:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D520F10657C0 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFAE8FC26 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:27:03 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.246] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:27:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:27:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 511082.31859.bm@omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80301 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 18:27:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320690423; bh=6wLppLQf5Yq9roMPdTiP9X5E9YLztQnbhw8P5QipOZE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b+I5App6g7Kd+xF8RYlAHRZvmWtYIMfOQao0/Sz7tcH7aEqo6rXJ9VHDyqkSf6pfY5kWfM8U+dopGOYlyg+7gM34WQ49/AVoCZ74w7FL1cteeBcWkef8Ctnaac2zQ4SmGOl/hLF6pJvh+UGPBzA64o666PWwARYCvF7daDnsVpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SX8R09PpXE2QPGw2gQoW32Tw4gK/a67G8W7FLECT92+lknN0HSn+ghS1DI8XM9ZNia5PbowvV9QdobP/Az6CEmdHu4CNeqvAilcg+z1aL4dmde+nnA6iAxD3+eVJ8G9NQXucLfN5WR2vvS1iDZWrwIUYTyEcjXWlUQcFI6rAOrE=; X-YMail-OSG: W8kqpIUVM1li9Oc4pNBIxcANIttsAIBFHdRYYEqUACpBFr9 2KgHB4bmMDAc8w_DiixgvDKpe03ZLj2yKkQnyY1YWvAiSH3hoLZmyS5Kr3lI 8cJsDKgNzeZTHVQnLH0fY8Ma_C2LAtwkN261pqGtdAwbPCSuvDdlLC4ed_7k yCVCr3mK709aPSSKlMjm4pttlL1VGww995s32BYg6G9a85syDqNvUm1Fb89W BzWeylLP.kqyXBM4nfUPNM6mjH3HeZppoIL_joCz9PiKuW4lI7lH5oUP44sG nCReAuVmlt.yZY7KOOkGZBNJJsWc2C3aQz92ZiSgg6rGmcbFnNkvFbqaZF1m U_Vm8N3RygDpJNdOYyxLFySDTxLKjALzcY7MuJ3VaVx8eVmj9d0hupGLHEFO vhoHU.DytIvgfPGSbeKYnZB2bKAhsVLjl9jf5wxMV.p1aODSLbMtAyjbBSXA - Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:27:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:27:04 -0000 Thanks Lowell. =0A=0A=0AI did reboot the machine a few times, hoping that a= ny process in memory that still claimed ownership of an open part of the di= sk would release it.=0A=0ADidn't work. I'm going to try the other method re= commended by Michael Sierchio -- to reboot in single user mode and try and = clear out any directory structures that could exist that my mount labels co= uld be hiding.=A0 Thanks for the reply and helpful link.=0A=0A(It was nice = to not see a RTFM response, but a helpful link -- it is appreciated).=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Lowell Gilbert =0ATo: rtsit =0ACc: "freebsd-q= uestions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Monday, Novem= ber 7, 2011 10:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is f= ull but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space?=0A=0ATry the FAQ entry = titled "The du and df commands show different amounts=0Aof disk space avail= able. What is going on?".=A0 You can find it at:=0Ahttp://be-well.ilk.org/F= reeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#DU-VS-DF From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:32:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6528F1065672 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCF88FC15 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa03 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id pA7IJfsL010511 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:32:43 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 10xm0y8bfv-15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:32:43 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.59) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:32:17 -0600 Message-ID: <4EB8242F.4030405@fisglobal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:32:15 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.59] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-07_05:2011-11-07, 2011-11-07, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ntpdate on boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:32:44 -0000 On 11/05/2011 14:52, Robert Simmons wrote: > Is there a way to make sure that the interface is UP and working > before running ntpdate at boot on a box with a static IP address? > > After setting ntpdate_enable="YES" in rc.conf, I get the following > error on boot: > > Setting date via ntp. > Error : hostname nor servname provided, or not known > 5 Nov 17:11:05 > ntpdate[786]: can't find host 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org > > Error : hostname nor servname provided, or not known > 5 Nov 17:11:05 > ntpdate[786]: can't find host 1.freebsd.pool.ntp.org > > Error : hostname nor servname provided, or not known > 5 Nov 17:11:05 > ntpdate[786]: can't find host 2.freebsd.pool.ntp.org > > 5 Nov 17:11:05 > ntpdate[786]: no servers can be used, exiting > > I've had this problem with machines using DHCP and the solution was to > use SYNCDHCP rather than DHCP in rc.conf. However, this box is using > a static IP address. But the problem seems to be similar. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I believe the easiest answer to your question is to do the following in /etc/rc.conf: netwait_enable="YES" netwait_ip="$defaultrouter" This will cause your interface to wait until it can ping the default router. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-rc/2010-June/001987.html Enjoy, Dave -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:33:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540A1106567E for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE068FC1B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7685912faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OshYfwmtWlD14xEzSRDJhu+BFA7F6eTHfkMC1koVqBM=; b=cKQ1naOZa00gRpiuw4hvSUm2qKPmosBEu3kKGx7NVBW08eEiDWzQ+njHawj0YQ0Hsi /Txn9f7fKVjfi+FXUmiE2J43CnyfaVEEmAyqa71UNVKwuoeJ3pq02ff7oH39jFbuFFRg FHSDD3XICbHtZTGryajwvgCQ1h9bUSY7kYbgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.17.23 with SMTP id q23mr48630764faa.11.1320690821790; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.88.72 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:33:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:33:41 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Michael Sierchio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: rtsit , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:33:43 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Adam Vande More > wrote: > > > This is terrible advice. There are proper methods for finding what's > using > > the space and to recover it. You should use them. > > If there are files hidden by a covering mount, you won't find them > when those filesystems are mounted. > > Indiscriminately instructing a user to delete files isn't good advice no matter how much butter you put on it. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:37:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56BC1065670 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E378FC15 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so6514284wyg.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.3.71 with SMTP id a7mr9060415wia.0.1320691066247; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.81.193 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:37:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: rtsit , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:37:47 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > Indiscriminately instructing a user to delete files isn't good advice no > matter how much butter you put on it. It was with no small amount of discrimination and discernment that I offered that advice. Any files that exist there should not. Read carefully. - M (UNIX since SYS III ver. 7, FreeBSD since 2.2.1) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:49:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834B9106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643B8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5011464eyd.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:49:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hbP6LRqPJrAdVygJhYK3Tqcz9ySDpjoHNQE2ZV0cLLA=; b=b9o0cCFSwR8Di3wDw8yJAG1OQ5tr1bxrhDT6ZWnhv0mwCgcf8GnhINDteh3gLWPCK9 AMjHCQKty1+fZt1UaBeloy0JPxrCWt9lPkOKCmdHVrUHQZJInSIyZbgX8OpvX0nTQPsO U7+RAF7W6aCZaD0lB25uZ2OCWTEGV/z9JfrZ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.59.49 with SMTP id w17mr8190677obq.37.1320690344180; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.122.33 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:25:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111107183349.76e52976@ernst.jennejohn.org> References: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111107183349.76e52976@ernst.jennejohn.org> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:25:44 -0800 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multimedia/vlc: suddenly no graphical interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:49:47 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:28 +0100 > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > >> On all of my used FreeBSD 9.0-RCX and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT boxes (all >> amd64 and CLANG compiled), I do not have a graphical user interface in >> VLC anymore. Instead, calling vlc most recent 1.1.11), I get this error: >> >> VLC media player 1.1.11 The Luggage (revision exported) >> Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") >> Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") >> [0x8020521b0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use >> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. >> [0x80205ad70] main interface error: option qt-volume-complete does not exist >> [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: no suitable dialogs provider found >> (hint: compile the qt4 plugin, and make sure it is loaded properly) >> [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: cannot instanciate qt4 dialogs >> provider >> [0x8020521b0] main libvlc error: interface "default" initialization failed >> >> >> Recompiling the multimedia/vlc port did not help, also unsuccessful was >> the recompilation of any qt4-port installed on the system. I also tried >> to find the local configuration files in my home directory and delete >> them, without any success. >> >> Is there something wrong with the DBUS subsystem named in the error? >> > > No, this is what I seea and my GUI works: > > VLC media player 1.1.5 The Luggage (revision exported) > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") > Blocked: call to setlocale(0, "") > Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffff9fbcb0, 0x7fffff9fbcd0) > [0x801c86b70] qt4 interface error: Unable to load extensions module ^^^ > Warning: call to rand() > Warning: call to rand() > Warning: call to rand() > Warning: call to rand() > Warning: call to rand() > Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffffffd5e0, 0x7fffffffd600) > Blocked: call to sigaction(20, 0x7fffffffd600, 0x0) > > The version of vlc which I'm using: Your vlc install is broken too. You'll need to ktrace / truss vlc until you find the broken library as vlc likes to hide those details from the end-user (even when invoking vlc with --verbose). HTH, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:53:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC25106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575FA8FC19 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so1735258bkb.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:53:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kPoOTCKbdMLXN92KKtCSfHMQXCe1vWWgW0BI90E5Jtc=; b=GFGk53/q+5jOGTwR+lNR6GTmij3fSeYQkO0UZ1gjRGAStpdoa7susvNYecDqnVBQB6 TcQA0/YxFhe1JTDgA481gg+Ta02Zsu6u1tmwDDyNCUoPwqgm4NEMU/ov8K4wZxSV9mj6 JOUdfePUvC7grCHpkNJYFU2SlXBjAxpotWv4k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.59.49 with SMTP id w17mr8191995obq.37.1320690462299; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.122.33 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:27:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4EB7A8F4.60403@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:27:42 -0800 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-current >> Current FreeBSD" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multimedia/vlc: suddenly no graphical interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:53:26 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:46 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: > On all of my used FreeBSD 9.0-RCX and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT boxes (all > amd64 and CLANG compiled), I do not have a graphical user interface in > VLC anymore. Instead, calling vlc most recent 1.1.11), I get this error: > > VLC media player 1.1.11 The Luggage (revision exported) > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS") > Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE") > [0x8020521b0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use > 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. > [0x80205ad70] main interface error: option qt-volume-complete does not exist > [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: no suitable dialogs provider found > (hint: compile the qt4 plugin, and make sure it is loaded properly) > [0x80205ad70] skins2 interface error: cannot instanciate qt4 dialogs > provider > [0x8020521b0] main libvlc error: interface "default" initialization failed > > > Recompiling the multimedia/vlc port did not help, also unsuccessful was > the recompilation of any qt4-port installed on the system. I also tried > to find the local configuration files in my home directory and delete > them, without any success. > > Is there something wrong with the DBUS subsystem named in the error? The best suggestion I have is ldd'ing the depends until you find the broken library (you can't figure this out typically by ldd'ing vlc because it dl_open's things IIRC -- can't verify because I blew away my install with vlc on it recently). -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 18:55:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397281065744 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E09AD8FC13 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 986350.21958.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92286 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 18:55:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320692150; bh=FMy1rJZlIY34OEyXqjzDYghSG0yh+pwHWeUehPwOtUs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4IEpe7NGSgW41yyEklh47NuugkDUDtn/nMLTNHYOzFkwFbWLiSae3JhI2CroRfI0yHjap+dE9UQDqTGK4IGuGzRJe+97h0G1sDT9rnlobUWF2Te3Wmrsvr2jGmHx1vZxznQWJKfDXTGNwfWgStcRvAEkXTwRbdcvSLB2+R8wsx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uq6s+9UbivMrsAtbvkrN2PoSqQRFZtMUjuyYcSCB7UiumVNTzP0w+n6HF12srkBytFgMA566XXxHSlBZQWlr05UhIrMJVXe6Y/dio+d3Yzp0+tDDK8A4Aogq7o6V7ZqzRRImY+3U5W38aTvHAn1fXnvTopZSxHVhSDw80q+ng7s=; X-YMail-OSG: TQpIrGIVM1n4T8pU1Ec7MJqA8vjmNLJKA2ZDV6P2rbtfwG4 sQMoyyp.A9OKVgbmCJyVObCtyHPgAyk9ziJaWDGvuqpA_3ZoVBKHYIX3nVav N66Uvq4C3FZ15VxDRSStYVfIkTWq4fizfETi_yQKCAKPOwkrK6ka1wU2tv9e UWkkPFAQd.DCcT9V3PKMosisnWngRJ_dbHi6yNcIk.P.e4MD_ewibx3UcyTb p8xfIfmXpS5Z030Rgh4DbxWUAMUc_fExus021eO6W0eCjg8dJYOeqF4uFJmW fWIqv65R0Vr4mSGBcoaucbbsy0QUo8YYZAxjXgmJssQA8sHlMKHtBjFQ96v_ JsKhFnZtlVhB9uhtNCLRwcWg8M5HKO1jrjbekLa91Hq4.Kb2S1JJ4jFllv3g lhhlKX.EqJ.Mr3MXDc.tDt_ZT2quOlpgONGOpSkJdnM3So3Pp6bXKD8DybaE - Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121813.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:55:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320687592.41253.YahooMailNeo@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320692150.92159.YahooMailNeo@web121813.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: Michael Sierchio , Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:55:52 -0000 Until Adam Vande More offers a better solution other than saying someone's = advice is "terrible" -- there is no point in debating further.=0A=0AThanks = again Michael.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Michael = Sierchio =0ATo: Adam Vande More = =0ACc: rtsit ; "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Monday, November 7, 2011 10:37 AM=0ASubject: R= e: OH NO! Says root partition / is full but it's not! I don't get it=0A=0AO= n Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Adam Vande More wro= te:=0A=0A> Indiscriminately instructing a user to delete files isn't good a= dvice no=0A> matter how much butter you put on it.=0A=0AIt was with no smal= l amount of discrimination and discernment that I=0Aoffered that advice.=A0= Any files that exist there should not.=A0 Read=0Acarefully.=0A=0A- M (UNIX= since SYS III ver. 7, FreeBSD since 2.2.1) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 19:56:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36191065670 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tam.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893CB8FC15 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7787791faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:56:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9qJD00NY/bazMK1eog10WST83rHxiOuoO+OPRmnY02M=; b=Q0vKrxZYw8dViagmGnPOab8LcX7ipndn+A+FWBDowymCCPATcrzT5vQg/Q2zQgbqaO WKVy6gzmFiPLwZBzf+aIEUvgEjVgVlQoRLHxrrAwDTusyqCbrgktiIX3UrOToaSimUCL swo8pV7pkRWaZcLbU0lKpNkTbUeihzrZ5JAiI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.134.116 with SMTP id pj20mr7210519lab.5.1320694230572; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.67 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:30:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:30:30 -0600 Message-ID: From: Sergio Tam To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Noelia=2ESacrist=E1n?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for Reproduction Rights (Oxford University Press Spain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:56:41 -0000 2011/11/7 Noelia.Sacrist=E1n : > > =A0 Dear =A0Sir, > > > =A0 We are a =A0Spanish Publishing House, Oxford University Press Spain, > =A0 that publishes =A0textbooks for Spanish primary and secondary school. > =A0 We are interested in =A0including, in a textbook of secondary educati= on > =A0 of Computing, the logo =A0of FreeBSD. > > > =A0 The logo =A0will be reproduce with educational purposes only. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 20:08:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0610F106566C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moritz@wzff.de) Received: from barfooze.de (barfooze.de [78.46.117.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C8B8FC15 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=barfooze.de) by barfooze.de with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNVRc-00065z-1o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:05:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:05:24 +0100 From: Moritz Wilhelmy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111107200523.GY16096@barfooze.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Problems with nullfs on 9.0-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:08:44 -0000 Good evening, I have been experiencing problems with accessing a nullfs which has been mounted inside a nullfs. This is meant to be a very elaborate way to exchange files between my jails :-) I have following entries in /etc/fstab on the host system, which runs FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 from a few days ago: /usr/jails/foo/share /shares/foo nullfs ro 0 0 /shares /usr/jails/foo/shares nullfs ro 0 0 /usr/jails/bar/share /shares/bar nullfs ro 0 0 /shares /usr/jails/bar/shares nullfs ro 0 0 etc. If I create a file in the bar jail in /share, let's call it zot, it is available on the host system in /shares/bar, but not inside /usr/jails/foo/shares/bar or /usr/jails/bar/shares/bar. My syslog is full of messages like these: Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_readdir Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_readdir Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_close Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_access Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_open Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_read Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_close Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_access Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_open Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_read Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_close Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_access Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_open Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_readdir Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_readdir Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_close Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_getattr Nov 7 16:44:15 machine last message repeated 2 times Nov 7 16:44:15 machine kernel: null_bypass: vop_access I guess I'm either doing something very stupid here, or this is a bug? The manpage doesn't mention anything about nullfs still being unstable (I read it used to be, with a huge bugs section in the manpage, which read like this: "SLIPPERY WHEN WET, BEWARE OF DOG"). Has anyone run into similar problems? Best regards, Moritz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 21:01:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C2B1065673 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664AB8FC1E for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so1893635bkb.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:01:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.208 with SMTP id y16mr19733448bkw.72.1320699680259; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.38.195 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.80] In-Reply-To: <4EB67034.2080507@gmx.net> References: <4EB5B512.2000601@gmx.net> <4EB67034.2080507@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:01:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: zfs file names (inodes) without files (ENOENT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:01:21 -0000 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Martin von Gagern wrote: > Makes me wonder whether I'd be better off with either some OpenSolaris > descendant (hoping that the problem only lies in the FreeBSD port of > ZFS) or with Linux (and either btrfs or some more mature fs). Both of those solutions are guaranteed to contain a different set of bugs. ;) I've looked at both FreeBSD and OpenIndiana, and could give you some thoughts on what I see is their respective strong and weak points, if you're interested. It *would* be interesting to see what OpenIndiana made of that filesystem. You could boot a LiveCD and then import the pool and see if you had the same issue. If nothing else that might let you delete the problematic file entry. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 21:13:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816A2106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5638FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBDFA70481 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31113 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 21:13:57 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 5734, pid: 3229, t: 0.1659s scanners: clamav: m: Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2011 21:13:57 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 9FC452E0EA; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: rtsit References: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:13:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> (rtsit@yahoo.com's message of "Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:27:02 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <44obwnbppp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:13:59 -0000 rtsit writes: > I did reboot the machine a few times, hoping that any process in > memory that still claimed ownership of an open part of the disk would > release it. There are other things that can cause disk space to seem to disappear, but there is a reason that one is in the FAQ list and the others aren't; it's virtually always the cause when someone reports such a problem on this list. > Didn't work. I'm going to try the other method recommended by Michael > Sierchio -- to reboot in single user mode and try and clear out any > directory structures that could exist that my mount labels could be > hiding.=A0 Thanks for the reply and helpful link. If the mounts are shadowing files, that will certainly hide data use.=20=20 I hope that turns out to be the issue and you get it fixed quickly. > (It was nice to not see a RTFM response, but a helpful link -- it is appr= eciated). I don't agree with you here. My response *was* RTFM, and I don't see anything inherently wrong with that. I'm glad it was helpful. Good luck. 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Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive.=A0 There is no o= ther operating system on the computer.=A0 When I put the CD in to boot I ge= t the message Non System disk - disk error.=A0 I have looked at the files o= n the CD and I see boot files and loader files, so it looks like the files = are available to use?=A0 I used a free=A0program for Windows XP to burn the= ISO image to CD.=A0 Could the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cau= se the disk error problem?=A0 Do you have any free software suggestions for= burning a CD in Windows XP if this is the issue?=0A=A0=0AThanks,=0AChuck H= orman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 21:47:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4D9106564A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B128B8FC16 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3D61EB90; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:47:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA7LlKOA003535; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:47:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:47:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: C Horman Message-Id: <20111107224720.e6ccb298.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:47:23 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST), C Horman wrote: > Hi, > I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older > computer that I have. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G > harddrive.=A0 Should run fine there - I had a similar system obsoleted in summer this year. :-) > There is no other operating system on the computer.=A0 When > I put the CD in to boot I get the message Non System disk - > disk error.=A0 Look at your BIOS settings to make sure a boot attempt from CD will be done. Check related options in the CMOS setup program. > I have looked at the files on the CD and I see boot files > and loader files, so it looks like the files are available > to use?=A0 I used a free=A0program for Windows XP to burn the > ISO image to CD.=A0 The ISO file is a "pre-mastered" image that will boot, if recorded properly. > Could the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cause > the disk error problem?=A0 If the writer did something wrong, or the media is damaged, this is possible. Some burner programs allow you to re-read the CD after burning for comparison with the ISO file. You could try that in order to make sure you're recorded the CD properly. > Do you have any free software suggestions for burning a CD > in Windows XP if this is the issue? Sorry, I'm not a "Windows" person and I don't use 10 years old software, so I can't give you any suggestion here. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 21:54:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B151065746 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5F28FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [92.76.90.134] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RNX8o-0003b3-Gb; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:54:06 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "C Horman" , Polytropon References: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111107224720.e6ccb298.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:53:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111107224720.e6ccb298.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.2/13902/Mon Nov 7 20:58:55 2011) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:54:08 -0000 Am 07.11.2011, 22:47 Uhr, schrieb Polytropon : > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST), C Horman wrote: >> Do you have any free software suggestions for burning a CD >> in Windows XP if this is the issue? > > Sorry, I'm not a "Windows" person and I don't use 10 years > old software, so I can't give you any suggestion here. :-) I am, I do, and I can :-) http://www.imgburn.com/ Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 22:19:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7044E1065675 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unobe@cpan.org) Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C628FC24 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0419617AC14 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103B83E4058; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from paravel.my.domain (login.desert.net [209.104.5.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: unobe@rurs.us) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4AC83E4056; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:38:22 -0700 From: David Romano To: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <20111107213822.GI22518@paravel.my.domain> References: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EB7DD00.3070103@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Monitor directory and execute script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:19:22 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 06:28:32AM MST: > I need to check for new or updated files in a directory and execute > a script on them whenever that happens. > Before I launch on complicated scripting, is there some > utility/port/deamon that already does this? For fine-tuned control, perhaps auditd. -- David Romano .:. unobe@cpan.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 23:07:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CB8106566B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from spock-ext.obspm.fr (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2E68FC12 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by spock-ext.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id pA7N77IZ013175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:07:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:07:07 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: rtsit Message-ID: <20111107230707.GA24337@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:07:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at spock-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:07:10 -0000 Le 07/11/2011 à 10:27:02-0800, rtsit a écrit > Thanks Lowell. > > > I did reboot the machine a few times, hoping that any process in memory that still claimed ownership of an open part of the disk would release it. > > Didn't work. I'm going to try the other method recommended by Michael Sierchio -- to reboot in single user mode and try and clear out any directory structures that could exist that my mount labels could be hiding.  Thanks for the reply and helpful link. > Try to reboot in single mode and do a fsck on all partition. Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: mar 8 nov 2011 00:06:22 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 00:20:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAD21065674 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2A98FC1C for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so9476357iab.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=2H6fUyX4hJsfBh7j19A7cvvZxB4knoFl0oxxmdF3PLQ=; b=d22kzZFkGPvNR1gSeImsZuH2Kz8atx7CF4bldWbekTI/ZVZytY0PWECHfuZh83qDGK Z7Ayvq/m1K0eYSdnzsMXQV4GRMgX6IbH1C9qY9EkuBSJILZx0CcYuH2JxfS2YyOZ21Pq pesnm+3ItNYuwSgRpITS/Lnoa1C4hTJLzTZm8= Received: by 10.42.72.135 with SMTP id o7mr11814302icj.45.1320711602236; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eb23sm208625ibb.2.2011.11.07.16.20.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:19:51 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.7.2; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111071819.51858.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: console-kit daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:20:03 -0000 Hi! My system: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3. I ahve a problem that computer freeze when I compailing ports without error. Sometimes freeze (hard reset help) and sometimes reboot. I did ran memtest 24 hours and there were no errors, I used smartmontools for check hard drive and there are no errors but the problem is here still. In rc.conf I have also:dbus_enable="YES" polkitd_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" saver="green" blanktime="600" linux_enable="YES" clamav_clamd_enable="YES" clamav_freshclam_enable="YES" cupsd_enable="YES" smartd_enable="YES" I have installed KDE 4 which I start from console (startx) and fluxbox. Today after restart computer happened first time: Nov 7 05:58:52 athena dbus[1127]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' (using servicehelper) Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Could not determine active console Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 1 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 4 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 10 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 5 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 6 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 7 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 2 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 8 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 9 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 11 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 12 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 13 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 14 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 15 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 16 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena console-kit-daemon[1610]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 3 activation: Inappropriate ioctl for device Nov 7 05:58:52 athena dbus[1127]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' (using servicehelper) Nov 7 05:58:53 athena dbus[1127]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' Nov 7 05:58:53 athena dbus[1127]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' Thanks in advance... Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 00:20:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5843106566B for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951368FC14 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadb12 with SMTP id b12so3442033qad.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YLTDTPXnE3pl9KTEkofoxdJBEhgeV1SNegx0QtWipMk=; b=okXVDRk0QF0AIi8y5+GA//J6lyZ8a45WPa5Ri6Rp2Sut9k5RvJbmBaMim5RRyVGXMq NUY0SUuUV5vuJ9QkEigZW+pO4P69y1VbIHxuKefFkTcvR14Za+L2amJm2v5I/If5BkPy fCtTZgMchOcyED+qo+T7n06xZpP1Mn69OlCaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.185.199 with SMTP id cp7mr13692559qab.68.1320710299277; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.73.195 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: C Horman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:20:04 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Horman wrote: > Hi, > I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older computer that I > have. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive. There is no other > operating system on the computer. When I put the CD in to boot I get the > message Non System disk - disk error. I have looked at the files on the CD > and I see boot files and loader files, so it looks like the files are > available to use? I used a free program for Windows XP to burn the ISO > image to CD. Could the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cause the > disk error problem? Do you have any free software suggestions for burning > a CD in Windows XP if this is the issue? > > Thanks, > Chuck Horman > If you have Nero installed properly in your Windows XP , you do not need any other program to burn a CD . With Windows Explorer , position on the .iso file and double click . When Nero starts directly burn the "image" . Do NOT select any Make Data , or Copy Data etc. item from menus . Directly burning an .iso file will create a boot enabled CD 9660 file system . If you burn a data CD from .iso file , it will not record boot sector , i.e. , it will not be boot enabled properly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 00:34:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C45106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5D28FC13 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:34:28 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUB008AUG94SB90@asmtp025.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:34:17 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-07_06:2011-11-07, 2011-11-07, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111070302 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201111071819.51858.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:34:16 -0800 Message-id: <5B3DC8D3-356E-4574-A8E3-1E7F9F900F8F@mac.com> References: <201111071819.51858.lumiwa@gmail.com> To: ajtiM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: console-kit daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:34:28 -0000 On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:19 PM, ajtiM wrote: > I ahve a problem that computer freeze when I compailing ports without error. > Sometimes freeze (hard reset help) and sometimes reboot. > I did ran memtest 24 hours and there were no errors, I used smartmontools for > check hard drive and there are no errors but the problem is here still. Running memtest is a great diagnostic for bad memory. It's good that it passed; so this suggests thermal problems, or less likely, a marginal power supply unit which can't handle full load. prime95 / mprime has a diagnostic mode which lets you fully load up both CPU and memory resources, and might be better suited to identifying a problem if memtest didn't find anything.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 01:06:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9945C106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E48E8FC12 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id pA817ID7057038 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:07:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:07:18 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201111080107.pA817ID7057038@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:06:41 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST), C Horman wrote: > > Hi, > I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older computer that I h > ave. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive. There is no other opera > ting system on the computer. When I put the CD in to boot I get the messag > e Non System disk - disk error. I have looked at the files on the CD and I > see boot files and loader files, so it looks like the files are available to > use? I used a free program for Windows XP to burn the ISO image to CD. Co > uld the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cause the disk error proble > m? Do you have any free software suggestions for burning a CD in Windows X > P if this is the issue? The _first_ thing to check is the list of 'boot devices' in the computer's BIOS. Make sure the CD Drive islisted. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 01:14:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80A51065670 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C4E8FC14 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id pA81EveI057079 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:14:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:14:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201111080114.pA81EveI057079@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:14:19 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 7 15:41:03 2011 > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST) > From: C Horman > To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" > Cc: > Subject: Burning CD > > Hi, > I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older computer that I h > ave. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive. There is no other opera > ting system on the computer. When I put the CD in to boot I get the messag > e Non System disk - disk error. I have looked at the files on the CD and I > see boot files and loader files, so it looks like the files are available to > use? I used a free program for Windows XP to burn the ISO image to CD. Co > uld the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cause the disk error proble > m? Do you have any free software suggestions for burning a CD in Windows X > P if this is the issue? 'ImageBurn' and 'CDBurnerXP' both work. So does Window's native capability. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 01:28:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDA51065675 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDC28FC17 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111108012803.PHGH3804.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net>; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:28:03 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id uRU21h00W55wwzE02RU3n8; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:28:03 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4EB885A3.006C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uJ/qTlwYUPBYhdejbfpiXZ084Nq1odojvP+g2rDuwMA= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=HwnecLVu_kklZzlDj5EA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA81S2Qr020937; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:28:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:27:57 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: C Horman Message-ID: <20111107192757.58dc00f1@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1320699563.55829.YahooMailNeo@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:28:10 -0000 On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST) C Horman wrote: > Hi, > I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older computer > that I have. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive.=A0 There is > no other operating system on the computer.=A0 When I put the CD in to > boot I get the message Non System disk - disk error.=A0 I have looked > at the files on the CD and I see boot files and loader files, so it > looks like the files are available to use? Are you sure the computer is actually trying to boot from the CD drive and not from some other device? If you can see all of the files on the CD, including the /boot and other directories, this sounds like a probably cause. --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 01:30:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433C4106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (smtprelay-h21.telenor.se [195.54.99.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2248FC08 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBE6C877 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:12:35 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswiAMyAuE5V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMN4lCoEwBAQEBN4JdAQVAPQ0BBgIYAwIBAgEbFicIAQHAMYYVAYMVBKYO X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,473,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="509103602" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 08 Nov 2011 02:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 02:13:09 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:30:33 -0000 Hi everyone! I'm quite new to BSD and installed it on my old Pentium to try to learn the unixverse from bottom up. My first aim is not just getting the system running for surfing the web or something, not even to be productive, but to understand why and how it runs. (Or else, why it runs not?:) And that, of course, brings me here to write my first query. This (foolish?) wish to understand may also explain why I bother to be curious about something that may be of little, if any, practical concern since my X server display runs well with twm and awesome so far... except for some minor anomalies. My antique system is: Pentium 4, Geforce 2 MM/MX, with (not so antique) FreeBSD-8,2-Release, Xorg - fresh update from ports a couple of days ago (latest version of todays but don't remember the version nr) (...Eh..yes that means that my Pentium is sleeping for the moment and I'm writing this from my laptop with, ehm.. Window...something.) Now the 4 different reasons for my unhappiness: 1. I can´t zap the server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing at all happens. I have checked that it isn't disabled in xorg.conf, and even tried to put in the reverse boolean value there. Not that I couldn't live without zapping, but...when I know about it that it should be there and it is taken fom me I feel an URGE to get the zap! 2. Not surprisingly I was also unable to use the Ctrl-Alt-Keypad+/- for zooming between the different resolution modes. But then I remembered that I had changed configuration from vesa driver to nouveau (with some patch that I downloaded according to instructions in ports). When I switched back to vesa it worked! Still no zapping though, and no higher resolution than 1024x768. I therefore would like to get it to work with the nouveau also. (And to Zap them both! ;) Or are there other ways, using alternative drivers perhaps? (beside upgrading graphics card...) 3. When I started the X server manually, and just giving the vtXX option (without starting any client) the system went black and didn't respond. I couldn't zap it (as you know), but I couldn't even resort to the console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or any Fn) which otherwise works normally. I had to resort to hardware reset and boot from single user mode. This problem is not present if I just start the server with X :0 and let it choose the tty by itself. Then it works fine to go Ctrl-Alt-F1 and start xterm -display:0 with full functionality. Experimenting with this I discovered that if I started the first way, with option vtXX and the system went black, I actually still could reach the server from my laptop and ssh-login, and start xterm from there. Well in xterm I could just type exit and the X server went down smoothely. 4. Also xinit behaves strangely on my system. It works perfectly with my .xinitrc-script, so that is not the problem. But when I wanted to just start an xterm without a window manager, like "xinit xterm [options]" it should, according to the book, ignore .xinitrc and go for the options given to it. But it doesn't!! Instead it ignores my wish for a naked xterm (I'm pervert, I know..) and starts up twm in all it's glory as if reading .xinitrc was a craving it couldn't resist (like mine for zap). I had to change the name of .xinitrc so it couldn't find the beauty for it to obey. Then it gave me my xterm. But still no good, because it also tries to start it's own default xterm in the upper left corner. And that one xterm behaves sickly, the cursor is just flimmering and if I type in something it immediately disappears, as if someone was leaning on the backspace. The other xterm (the one that I asked for) has no prompt and while I can write things in there and press return, xterm behaves like it was a text editor simply moving the cursor to next line as if it didn't just receive a command. There is one command though that it responds to, and that is: exit. It wants to go home. This is a funny problem. I guess it is not important, because when used for what it is mostly supposed to do - reading .xinitrc - the program works excellently. But still... I guess 1-2 could be a problem with drivers, 3-4 with X and xinit, but what do I know? Help is very much appreciated! (Well, I guess I don't NEED your help as in *URGENT* and needing food, or even as in needing a screwdriver, because when I get the zap and zoom and naked xinitiated xterm and the tty of my choice, I plan to never or very seldom use them. But I sure WANT your help. And maybe there is some hidden functionality here that is lacking and will show itself a problem later on when trying heavier wms and desktops) I wish you a nice day! /Samuel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 00:47:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A484106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from totoaus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ABD8FC15 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so6574049gyd.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:47:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=FJ0qjw+vMRfKSyAhzIJ8mA3j4VEEi41W8pMfe5wDJvU=; b=RFhqXFNEqQQkAMd7j1b5ZrYwkIOOxDlGr3bIRTeANZXXkY5smHuu4eEUTkSvtN2I3Z xFX8FFxCnuAKiGeamU+eDy54f6lo+fOnHixFgc0CTKpJK+dpagYzVPOIRge2/tR8GDn0 bon/EUj+22ltqkIuyfTEEpo/VIpx2WIxilCcs= Received: by 10.236.153.101 with SMTP id e65mr34666556yhk.59.1320711618581; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (CPE-121-223-152-212.lns2.bat.bigpond.net.au. [121.223.152.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i67sm30474763yhm.16.2011.11.07.16.20.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:20:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:20:12 +1100 From: David Morton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030500000006040404030006" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 02:22:34 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:47:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030500000006040404030006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing commercial IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn and do something of interest to me: get deep knowledge of one platform. A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have developed a little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: http://geoffg.net/maximite.html It's a PIC32 single chip computer that I use through USB emulation of a serial port. I would like to try and build on it, and the first thought would be if it could run a limited version of BSD, as an alternative OS using the same boot loader. Microchip has an IDE, with a free version that uses C, and I speculate that much of the OS could be stored of the SD card, with only the barest minimum in the on board flash. I'm not dumping this all on others though, I am looking at adding extra RAM, and wired Ethernet; probably through an alternative hardware equivalent from Olimex that is due soon. Please reply direct to me, I haven't found how to get on the mailing list, or decided if I should. 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On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:20 PM, David Morton wrote: > I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing = commercial IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn and = do something of interest to me: get deep knowledge of one platform. >=20 > A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have developed = a little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: = http://geoffg.net/maximite.html It's a PIC32 single chip computer that = I use through USB emulation of a serial port. >=20 > I would like to try and build on it, and the first thought would be if = it could run a limited version of BSD, as an alternative OS using the = same boot loader. Microchip has an IDE, with a free version that uses = C, and I speculate that much of the OS could be stored of the SD card, = with only the barest minimum in the on board flash. >=20 > I'm not dumping this all on others though, I am looking at adding = extra RAM, and wired Ethernet; probably through an alternative hardware = equivalent from Olimex that is due soon. >=20 > Please reply direct to me, I haven't found how to get on the mailing = list, or decided if I should. >=20 > David > --=20 > David Morton > PO Box 216 > Geeveston TAS 7116 > AUSTRALIA >=20 > Email: totoaus@gmail.com > Mobile: 0400 560 330 > Skype: david-ah-morton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 03:39:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD972106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645C48FC12 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so123242faa.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:39:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IHk1us5FIazddZbdHjv/rM4Pgy/iR6UlevNr4A3ZUXU=; b=c9sH5T8tuJ7v/X3WmePHkTeXy94HyIZhScDv1EZS/hGdA1iXaD4dy8bBYN9DJ8PZlS rh+HMkC5hL3RkWGgIGrJvYqf4abb7XGn4/pDz1YyWvLLiqmDePo/vmA6HesJ8RjEg5S9 PPK6S8rweZYmCMI9EbWTqCu6CzEEpjpRnN9jg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.75.129 with SMTP id y1mr1986269faj.1.1320723560253; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.88.72 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:39:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> References: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:39:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: David Morton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:39:22 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM, David Morton wrote: > I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing commercial > IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn and do something of > interest to me: get deep knowledge of one platform. > > A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have developed a > little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: > http://geoffg.net/maximite.**html It's > a PIC32 single chip computer that I use through USB emulation of a serial > port. > > I would like to try and build on it, and the first thought would be if it > could run a limited version of BSD, as an alternative OS using the same > boot loader. Microchip has an IDE, with a free version that uses C, and I > speculate that much of the OS could be stored of the SD card, with only the > barest minimum in the on board flash. > > I'm not dumping this all on others though, I am looking at adding extra > RAM, and wired Ethernet; probably through an alternative hardware > equivalent from Olimex that is due soon. > > Please reply direct to me, I haven't found how to get on the mailing list, > or decided if I should. > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/mips http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/mips.html You might have better luck with freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-mips@ -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 04:01:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D271065676 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51F18FC15 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id pA841F1x006280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id pA841E0V006279; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02470; Mon, 7 Nov 11 19:48:29 PST Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 02:48:24 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: bjhcmh@yahoo.com, bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com Message-Id: <4eb908f8.1spEWN0aTgvhXICg%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201111080107.pA817ID7057038@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201111080107.pA817ID7057038@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Burning CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 04:01:16 -0000 Robert Bonomi wrote: > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:59:23 -0800 (PST), C Horman wrote: > > Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive. There is no > > other operating system on the computer. When I put the CD > > in to boot I get the message Non System disk - disk error ... > > The _first_ thing to check is the list of 'boot devices' in the > computer's BIOS. Make sure the CD Drive islisted. Not just listed, but listed _ahead_ of the hard drive in the boot sequence. That "Non System disk ..." message is what an empty or data-only disk will produce if it is booted. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 05:41:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A10106566C for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F348FC17 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so46820qab.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:41:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KRd1kIIUqUhkLWqjNzGVRieXG75Wh7BlxVPwTiLmcQY=; b=NuqgVa9xQ1Xk1NiGIqw4G3hanB0FjZWO3Gbqjwp6+cVW+PGfrbLs4gdhDQgqLSlcXt fLBBEZY4ySz44TYLwijB4JViT4l5DpBLERRDetYi+Lf4DENU+8fxkmJoPxn6e1ymqvRd 8KJOnNlqk7vw6d219yiK3erpPnOOBr1gOjVjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.194.5 with SMTP id dw5mr13925823qab.16.1320730904904; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.73.195 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:41:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> References: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:41:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: David Morton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:41:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:20 PM, David Morton wrote: > I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing commercial > IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn and do something of > interest to me: get deep knowledge of one platform. > > A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have developed a > little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: > http://geoffg.net/maximite.html It's a PIC32 single chip computer that I > use through USB emulation of a serial port. > > I would like to try and build on it, and the first thought would be if it > could run a limited version of BSD, as an alternative OS using the same > boot loader. Microchip has an IDE, with a free version that uses C, and I > speculate that much of the OS could be stored of the SD card, with only the > barest minimum in the on board flash. > > I'm not dumping this all on others though, I am looking at adding extra > RAM, and wired Ethernet; probably through an alternative hardware > equivalent from Olimex that is due soon. > > Please reply direct to me, I haven't found how to get on the mailing list, > or decided if I should. > > David > -- > David Morton > PO Box 216 > Geeveston TAS 7116 > AUSTRALIA > > Email: totoaus@gmail.com > Mobile: 0400 560 330 > Skype: david-ah-morton > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > To subscribe to freebsd-questions , please see http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 07:12:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899F21065670 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Martin.vGagern@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBAAC8FC17 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Nov 2011 07:12:26 -0000 Received: from 178-26-28-18-dynip.superkabel.de (EHLO [192.168.71.20]) [178.26.28.18] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 08 Nov 2011 08:12:26 +0100 X-Authenticated: #858129 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18PS+4Zgc0Pt5dEAyukWfx54pazMu6TP281pB2cuO niNz2vLQHF8Z3P Message-ID: <4EB8D654.6080808@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:12:20 +0100 From: Martin von Gagern User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111003 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Brodbeck References: <4EB5B512.2000601@gmx.net> <4EB67034.2080507@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig244740ACA3DFA4BA456E7A71" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs file names (inodes) without files (ENOENT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:12:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig244740ACA3DFA4BA456E7A71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07.11.2011 22:01, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Martin von Gagern > wrote: >> Makes me wonder whether I'd be better off with either some OpenSolaris= >> descendant (hoping that the problem only lies in the FreeBSD port of >> ZFS) or with Linux (and either btrfs or some more mature fs). >=20 > Both of those solutions are guaranteed to contain a different set of > bugs. ;) No doubt about that, but I have the hope that bugs I don't encounter within the first 48 hours of system usage might be less likely to cause severe trouble in the long run, too. > I've looked at both FreeBSD and OpenIndiana, and could give > you some thoughts on what I see is their respective strong and weak > points, if you're interested. Thanks for the offer, but see below. > It *would* be interesting to see what OpenIndiana made of that > filesystem. You could boot a LiveCD and then import the pool and see > if you had the same issue. If nothing else that might let you delete > the problematic file entry. Thought the same, and gave it a try. zpool claims there is no pool of that name. "zpool -f" doesn't help. Looking at the device nodes, it appears as though OI would only recognize 3 of my 4 HDDs, which seems really strange, given the fact that they're all wired the same way. So I didn't even get to looking at the dir in question. That, combined with the fact that OI boot process provides too little information for my taste, and the additional fact that Backspace doesn't seem to work out of the box, has let me develop a dislike for the system upon initial use. I don't fancy having to configure such basic things. So I'm heading towards Linux now, as no solution to the FreeBSD ZFS problems seems to be forthcoming. Will probably be running some tandem of btrfs and Ext4 for now, until btrfs becomes more mature or space requirements force me to drop one of those file systems. Thanks for your input, David, Martin --------------enig244740ACA3DFA4BA456E7A71 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk641lkACgkQRhp6o4m9dFvYzwCePJ2IccNNk2MmfaigN9dcbM9H TqEAnj+2hmXAVYo8Wwh7d69zAvmP/+7L =eVzm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig244740ACA3DFA4BA456E7A71-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 11:36:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835B9106566C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC9E8FC19; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RNjyV-0007tZ-5n>; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:36:19 +0100 Received: from e178022054.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.22.54] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RNjyV-0004o8-1O>; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:36:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB9142D.3090705@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:36:13 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Current FreeBSD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: undefined Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAC0A4B5BCC971857FD24C6E8" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.22.54 Cc: Subject: /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:36:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAC0A4B5BCC971857FD24C6E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the boring question, but is the default configuration file /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS anywhere include in a regular configuration file for the kernel while building the kernel? I looked for include statements in GENERIC, but didn't find one. I use custom kernel config files and adapt most changes from the NOTES files in the sources tree. With the today's update of README in /sys/amd64/conf I realised some important changes, so this triggered my question. I simply made an additional "include" in the custom config file, but if this isn't necessary, I'll delete it again. And I'm interested in how the kernel is built from. It is a very convenient way to type simply "make kerne" in /usr/src/, but it vanishes to much of the complexity and understanding how the system builds and could cause problems. Thanks for your patience and tahnks in advance, Regards, Oliver --------------enigAC0A4B5BCC971857FD24C6E8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOuRQyAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8N98IAKtzU0oNSakeny3v7T6iB2V8 vePFG0WvEMXSbOg2A69g87WDhBnJANuaN6wlZcRvnfgU7zz+lsie7/y+HceIQ6BU 1UWzQ+CG/gC/hmV6eEdRta+H8TorfSbGGuombWMmRU7u0ysC1IvbBjWCzqIALtJG cLzMQ5ArKqmXp1KezVhCYbAWV2MBf2gI9OO/T4PeGEq29eVnGF1kzEWTK3SZLcN3 Q2IYjKVT0AE0W/kvLx+agqqrmDW1V52qFH+QD38DGU36WZvpaLaWvHu2Scou6hPI tgyugL0DI9pPDLw9i7dst5GfmASM6toPbVXnROxBIDyThXNn8Y2mzYbKfzacYY0= =IV2v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAC0A4B5BCC971857FD24C6E8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 11:46:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D79106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA808FC15 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so635733ywt.13 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=g1bblJ+oX+7AjIzRXDGluqeV7vF6nn/S+Khj87GSh3U=; b=DQ2B6Una0H/jdFd0UYPoqeaieNp+Bhv0iQM0LFwvnu6M+/fXuLpIgMG6+ex5dv5J8Y zmKSz5OlpS0ZhdxopJ48ly2KgtIl8z1zLkf7EtEyzXT9n2LQSszo8jR7CisopxqTdBPy k1/+1sfZLuz3c3TCAeAoN/cwzx54LLacWWmtg= Received: by 10.50.207.38 with SMTP id lt6mr49163951igc.43.1320752818029; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm1115878igw.0.2011.11.08.03.46.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:46:46 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.7.2; i386; ; ) References: <201111071819.51858.lumiwa@gmail.com> <5B3DC8D3-356E-4574-A8E3-1E7F9F900F8F@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5B3DC8D3-356E-4574-A8E3-1E7F9F900F8F@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111080546.46928.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: console-kit daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:46:59 -0000 On Monday 07 November 2011 18:34:16 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:19 PM, ajtiM wrote: > > I ahve a problem that computer freeze when I compailing ports without > > error. Sometimes freeze (hard reset help) and sometimes reboot. > > I did ran memtest 24 hours and there were no errors, I used smartmontools > > for check hard drive and there are no errors but the problem is here > > still. > > Running memtest is a great diagnostic for bad memory. > > It's good that it passed; so this suggests thermal problems, or less > likely, a marginal power supply unit which can't handle full load. > prime95 / mprime has a diagnostic mode which lets you fully load up both > CPU and memory resources, and might be better suited to identifying a > problem if memtest didn't find anything.... > > Regards, Thank you very much. I will try because I cannot do any update...but I am not ready yet to buy a new computer. 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff6sm1456894wbb.10.2011.11.08.03.54.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:54:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:54:05 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111108115405.36af1423@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> References: <4EB875BC.4010606@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:54:12 -0000 On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:20:12 +1100 David Morton wrote: > I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing > commercial IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn > and do something of interest to me: get deep knowledge of one > platform. > > A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have > developed a little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: > http://geoffg.net/maximite.html It's a PIC32 single chip computer > that I use through USB emulation of a serial port. Since you are new to BSD you might not be aware that the three main versions of BSD, have different priorities. OpenBSD focuses on security, NetBSD focuses on portability and FreeBSD aims to be an all-round OS with more emphasis on performance on mainstream hardware. IIWY I'd be looking at NetBSD. I suspect that this computer (and PIC32 in general) doesn't have a proper memory management unit, and that that will make it difficult to port most modern general-purpose OSes. I'd check to see if NetBSD has been run on a PIC32 (rather than MIPS in general). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 13:13:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFDB106566C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:13:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeising@daemonic.se) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:17:f0a0::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C6B8FC1B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA78E4003A; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFDCB40039; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:08 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Received: from mx.daemonic.se (mx.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FCD540038; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.daemonic.se (mail.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::4]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20CFA119C08; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from tifa.daemonic.se (b-76-233.eduroam.liu.se [130.236.76.233]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7DF612B0A1; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from tifa.daemonic.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tifa.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03071D; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:13:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4EB92ADA.6080309@daemonic.se> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:12:58 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <4EB9142D.3090705@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4EB9142D.3090705@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Current FreeBSD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:13:12 -0000 On 11/08/11 12:36, O. Hartmann wrote: > Sorry for the boring question, but is the default configuration file > /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS anywhere include in a regular configuration > file for the kernel while building the kernel? > > I looked for include statements in GENERIC, but didn't find one. I use > custom kernel config files and adapt most changes from the NOTES files > in the sources tree. > > With the today's update of README in /sys/amd64/conf I realised some > important changes, so this triggered my question. > > I simply made an additional "include" in the custom config file, but if > this isn't necessary, I'll delete it again. And I'm interested in how > the kernel is built from. It is a very convenient way to type simply > "make kerne" in /usr/src/, but it vanishes to much of the complexity and > understanding how the system builds and could cause problems. > > Thanks for your patience and tahnks in advance, > > Regards, > Oliver From my understanding of things, the DEFAULTS kernel configuration file is automatically included into the build by config(8). There is no need to include it into the generic using the "include" statement. It was first added 6 years ago, on October 27 2005. Regards! -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 13:27:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71910106566C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2CB8FC17; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RNlhl-0006XN-7I>; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:27:09 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RNlhl-0005i0-5C>; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:27:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB92E2C.2010402@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:27:08 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111031 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Niclas Zeising References: <4EB9142D.3090705@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4EB92ADA.6080309@daemonic.se> In-Reply-To: <4EB92ADA.6080309@daemonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Current FreeBSD , "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:27:10 -0000 Am 11/08/11 14:12, schrieb Niclas Zeising: > On 11/08/11 12:36, O. Hartmann wrote: >> Sorry for the boring question, but is the default configuration file >> /sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS anywhere include in a regular configuration >> file for the kernel while building the kernel? >> >> I looked for include statements in GENERIC, but didn't find one. I use >> custom kernel config files and adapt most changes from the NOTES files >> in the sources tree. >> >> With the today's update of README in /sys/amd64/conf I realised some >> important changes, so this triggered my question. >> >> I simply made an additional "include" in the custom config file, but if >> this isn't necessary, I'll delete it again. And I'm interested in how >> the kernel is built from. It is a very convenient way to type simply >> "make kerne" in /usr/src/, but it vanishes to much of the complexity and >> understanding how the system builds and could cause problems. >> >> Thanks for your patience and tahnks in advance, >> >> Regards, >> Oliver > > From my understanding of things, the DEFAULTS kernel configuration file > is automatically included into the build by config(8). There is no need > to include it into the generic using the "include" statement. It was > first added 6 years ago, on October 27 2005. > Regards! Thank you very much. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 15:14:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105B11065674 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60CC8FC1C for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA8FEmn6070977; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA8FEmkx070974; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Samuel Magnusson In-Reply-To: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> Message-ID: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:14:52 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Samuel Magnusson wrote: > 1. I can?t zap the server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing at all happens. I > have checked that it isn't disabled in xorg.conf, and even tried to put in > the reverse boolean value there. Not that I couldn't live without zapping, > but...when I know about it that it should be there and it is taken fom me I > feel an URGE to get the zap! Zapping is still allowed by default, but a key combination is not assigned. That can be done in .xinitrc or .xsession: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It can also be done in xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" EndSection > 2. Not surprisingly I was also unable to use the Ctrl-Alt-Keypad+/- for > zooming between the different resolution modes. But then I remembered that I > had changed configuration from vesa driver to nouveau (with some patch that I > downloaded according to instructions in ports). When I switched back to vesa > it worked! Still no zapping though, and no higher resolution than 1024x768. vesa is very limited, only supporting standard modes up to 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Some vendors add other modes, but they aren't common. nouveau is an open driver for the very closed Nvidia hardware. The closed Nvidia drivers (x11/nvidia-driver*) are supposed to work quite well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 15:53:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F25106566B for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42078FC15 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4E79D72901F77061 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:53:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4EB9508D.8090800@onetel.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:53:49 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: recursive copy with spaces in descendants X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:53:51 -0000 On 05/11/2011 19:47, Chris wrote: > I'm having difficulty copying a directory tree from my FreeBSD server to > USB storage. The problem is that the tree contains file and folder names > which have spaces, similar to the following: > > ./foo bar/some name.tar.gz > ./foo bar/child dir/some other name.tar.gz > > I've tried various combinations of cp with enclosing the top level > directory in quotations, along with other commands like tar or xargs to no > avail. The problem seems to be with creating the destination directories > and folders, where mkdir/cp terminates with an invalid argument response. > > Cleaning up the source filenames using something like detox isn't viable, > as the files are being served by transmission-daemon, and as such the names > must be preserved. Permissions are not an issue either, as the same > responses occur whether I use a standard or root account. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, since I'm pretty much out of them > at this point. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > %mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 mnt #USB external HD %ls mnt %cd ~/temp2 %find . . ./dir with spaces ./dir with spaces/file1 with spaces ./dir with spaces/file2 with spaces %find . -depth |cpio -pdmv ~/mnt /home/chrisw/mnt/./dir with spaces/file1 with spaces /home/chrisw/mnt/./dir with spaces/file2 with spaces /home/chrisw/mnt/./dir with spaces /home/chrisw/mnt/. 0 blocks %find ~/mnt /home/chrisw/mnt /home/chrisw/mnt/dir with spaces /home/chrisw/mnt/dir with spaces/file1 with spaces /home/chrisw/mnt/dir with spaces/file2 with spaces or have I missed something? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 17:30:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1B4106564A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtsit@yahoo.com) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 652058FC08 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 17:30:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 613739.4105.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76914 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2011 17:30:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320773451; bh=WKLJfQV2t4PcWSLPpR9Vy7Rd870ik8AEALCOGSVFd0s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zdd6DYKhx8D6zbpqrLNfcZJbusLTux3KMWtDOxd66lKUBlV0SArzAF5rP6T//SQmWUn7cRDn86v5yywqelafNFrb7sq5rjW308FxPc5akgWHOyUkp8dC0qV5ICJ3lBvCN4NWRfUoU3aMuMyjnQaGtBKKqUqLD606G5f7k5MNusQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BVC0ca3uTX0c+4e5OS4yNX7OTDTBlH1juCdBLLbMaqypU1Lyz8BvEkhLw3GT4L+3RF1ONKIwx5IEjcAhn2MX5j8E7cQTKd1CBGFKiJKyErNySOMDG1cYJ9BcErwJln6HOfNhvTHFb/vVsblwDwYYZxXaUZyU6KsNlzy8ZHoTuWA=; X-YMail-OSG: URJ8lLEVM1k3Nb.Wnv9fc7f1DjD7XbYXS3ekaXpoZ_3C6Bx 1_DRogncLlL2ZfP68UN.WR.Eb9PC.G_Uubx0fp7ibmhB8TMXclfHf.a10IX_ tx20GiI_Z75G.M3Cwp7rmeH.Yl.X1Sb3uITFfSvb9.GpjTmwi1sZJl0DE1WD 9p2dxinwTiqHfmpqT640qSi0SvwZhIdTDKVZ1E0VfI7KxXkW6flO4N.Pvnoo LFosEkmcEYBkwdgazcL74PsgCnpxB2pa8pb5SnzEMzvwL992mtgyq_xhyviD VdzWgFz9Hyy.dM0oqtblJjCrDUOGTOHBMJiHzW7xavfPEwcLktSEwiD48hVy yBdAcjKmGkcSPaZ9TX2qU9_vBqdahQTnpJ0MJYpSU9lFlNe_m29hTlcSiilJ 4xvfl.pPS1Fx1if1fCRjZa2dD8hqN_kaylJzkAGFEO0oDwR2L1.9ibYAr0j0 - Received: from [70.78.64.225] by web121820.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:30:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320687852.11305.YahooMailNeo@web121817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <44vcqvbylr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1320690422.80211.YahooMailNeo@web121819.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <44obwnbppp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: <1320773451.72939.YahooMailNeo@web121820.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: rtsit To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <44obwnbppp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: OH NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying about space? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rtsit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:30:52 -0000 =0A=0AWe FOUND IT.=0A=0AWe did do the procedure that Michael recommended, b= ut unfortunately none of the nfs mount labels /var /usr /tmp contained any = data after booting into single user mode.=0A=0AWhat we did find was a NFS f= older that contained a huge 300 meg .tar.gz file that wasn't finished downl= oading. (Was a BSDSRC tree that was tar'd gz'd)=0A=0AHave to watch for mass= ive NFS file transfers of abnormally large files -- that is what caused the= issue.=A0 Next time we'll use WGET instead while sitting at the /usr parti= tion instead of the root folder.=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________= _=0AFrom: Lowell Gilbert =0ATo: rt= sit =0ACc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: OH= NO! IT says my root partition / is full but it isn't! Why is FreeBSD lying= about space?=0A=0Artsit writes:=0A=0A> I did reboot the = machine a few times, hoping that any process in=0A> memory that still claim= ed ownership of an open part of the disk would=0A> release it.=0A=0AThere a= re other things that can cause disk space to seem to disappear,=0Abut there= is a reason that one is in the FAQ list and the others aren't;=0Ait's virt= ually always the cause when someone reports such a problem on=0Athis list.= =0A=0A> Didn't work. I'm going to try the other method recommended by Micha= el=0A> Sierchio -- to reboot in single user mode and try and clear out any= =0A> directory structures that could exist that my mount labels could be=0A= > hiding.=A0 Thanks for the reply and helpful link.=0A=0AIf the mounts are = shadowing files, that will certainly hide data use.=A0 =0AI hope that turns= out to be the issue and you get it fixed quickly.=0A=0A> (It was nice to n= ot see a RTFM response, but a helpful link -- it is appreciated).=0A=0AI do= n't agree with you here.=A0 My response *was* RTFM, and I don't see=0Aanyth= ing inherently wrong with that.=A0 I'm glad it was helpful.=0A=0AGood luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 18:34:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0587B106566B for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910A58FC08 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so957183bkb.13 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:34:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.16 with SMTP id hs16mr9019512bkc.7.1320777269089; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.38.195 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: <4EB8D654.6080808@gmx.net> References: <4EB5B512.2000601@gmx.net> <4EB67034.2080507@gmx.net> <4EB8D654.6080808@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:34:28 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Martin von Gagern Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs file names (inodes) without files (ENOENT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:34:31 -0000 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Martin von Gagern wrote: > Thought the same, and gave it a try. zpool claims there is no pool of > that name. "zpool -f" doesn't help. Looking at the device nodes, it > appears as though OI would only recognize 3 of my 4 HDDs, which seems > really strange, given the fact that they're all wired the same way. That is pretty odd. OI's biggest weakness is hardware support, IMHO. The kernel is written by Sun (well, Oracle, now) and they have no interest in supporting hardware they don't sell. Drivers for commodity hardware are often buggy or nonexistent. It reminds me of the early, early days of Linux and BSD, where you'd have to buy and return three SCSI cards before you got one that worked. > OI boot process provides too little information for my taste Yeah, it's *quite* terse. The OI text console in general is lacking in refinement; Sun hardware grew frame buffers pretty early, so the assumption was you'd either be running some windowing environment (if you were physically at the system) or you'd be using a serial console (if it's a headless server.) Trying to administer an OI box via the system console tends to be an exercise in frustration. > So I'm heading towards Linux now, as no solution to the FreeBSD ZFS > problems seems to be forthcoming. Will probably be running some tandem > of btrfs and Ext4 for now, until btrfs becomes more mature or space > requirements force me to drop one of those file systems. I share your frustrations. I would really like to see btrfs mature. I really want a filesystem with pooled free space and transparent compression, but I've found OI frustrating from a hardware standpoint. I didn't have the problems you did with the FreeBSD ZFS implementation (maybe because I didn't dig into it very far), but I do need NFSv4, and the performance of FreeBSD's NFSv4 server is just too slow for me to consider it a reasonable replacement. So I'm kind of left with no way to get everything I want in one OS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 19:56:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C991065676 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DE68FC14 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121D93DB1D; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA8Ju0TV002121; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:00 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:56:03 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Samuel Magnusson wrote: > > > 1. I can?t zap the server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing at all happens. I > > have checked that it isn't disabled in xorg.conf, and even tried to put in > > the reverse boolean value there. Not that I couldn't live without zapping, > > but...when I know about it that it should be there and it is taken fom me I > > feel an URGE to get the zap! > > Zapping is still allowed by default, but a key combination is not > assigned. That can be done in .xinitrc or .xsession: > > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > It can also be done in xorg.conf: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > EndSection There is a 3rd option, especially "useful" when X is run with DBUS and HAL (the default configuration, as well as the package configuration), and it involves fun with XML. :-) File /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf) including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags" section. So, as you're already dealing with xorg.conf, use Warren's suggestion, as it works independently of all the "new" things required by X, and also conforms to the concept of concentrating X's configuration in one configuration file (rather than scattering settings across the file system). > vesa is very limited, only supporting standard modes up to 1024x768 or > 1280x1024. Some vendors add other modes, but they aren't common. > nouveau is an open driver for the very closed Nvidia hardware. The > closed Nvidia drivers (x11/nvidia-driver*) are supposed to work quite > well. I'm using nvidia-driver here which works better than nouveau and nv (the one that comes with X.org); I haven't tested VESA as in most cases, it's _not_ what one wants. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 20:22:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C830106566B for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD1A8FC12 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA8KM8sL072827; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA8KM8eX072824; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:22:08 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:22:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:22:12 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote: > And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the > need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf) > including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags" > section. For at least the most recent Xorg, it's not needed. Can't recall whether it is for the one before that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 20:33:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC43106566B for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6C68FC12 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA8KXtgR072937; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA8KXtMV072934; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:33:58 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote: > >> And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the >> need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf) >> including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags" >> section. > > For at least the most recent Xorg, it's not needed. Can't recall whether it > is for the one before that. Nope, just tested and I'm wrong. DontZap Off is needed with X.Org X Server 1.7.7. Sorry about that. I recommend adding the option to ServerLayout and doing away with the extra complication of a ServerFlags section. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 20:51:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE651065675 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FEB8FC08 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171BE3DA32; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:51:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA8KpEPo002244; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:51:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:51:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:51:16 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote: > > > >> And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the > >> need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf) > >> including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags" > >> section. > > > > For at least the most recent Xorg, it's not needed. Can't recall whether it > > is for the one before that. > > Nope, just tested and I'm wrong. DontZap Off is needed with X.Org X > Server 1.7.7. Sorry about that. > > I recommend adding the option to ServerLayout and doing away with the > extra complication of a ServerFlags section. Good suggestion, the Handbook should be changed according to that if it really works (and is, in my opinion, easier). My statement regarding the xorg.conf _and_ XML fun wasn't a personal experience and testing (xorg-server-1.7.7_2,1 here), but the Handbook said so: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html It's mentioned directly beneath the XML fun in 6.4.2. There's also a ServerLayout _or_ ServerFlags statement for the ``Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"'' setting, right before the XML fun for setting a localized keyboard begins... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu10sm2062587igc.6.2011.11.08.13.33.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:33:01 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.7.2; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: operapluginwraper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:39:07 -0000 Hi! On my FreeBSD 8.2 Release I use KDE 4 and Opera 11.52. Everytime when I start (use) Opera I have operapluginwraper..core in the /home directory.. In the /var/log/mesages I got also: Nov 8 15:15:20 athena console-kit-daemon[1395]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv failed: cannot open /proc/4679/mem Nov 8 15:15:43 athena hp-systray: hp-systray[4753]: error: option -s not recognized Nov 8 15:15:50 athena dbus[1131]: [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.Avahi': timed out Nov 8 15:16:00 athena console-kit-daemon[1395]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv failed: cannot open /proc/4766/mem Nov 8 15:20:56 athena console-kit-daemon[1395]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv failed: cannot open /proc/4689/mem Nov 8 15:20:56 athena console-kit-daemon[1395]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv failed: cannot open /proc/4689/mem Nov 8 15:24:58 athena su: ajtim to root on /dev/pts/1 Nov 8 15:25:43 athena kernel: pid 5937 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:25:43 athena kernel: pid 5941 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:25:43 athena kernel: pid 5943 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:25:43 athena kernel: pid 5945 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:25:43 athena kernel: pid 5947 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:27:43 athena kernel: pid 5965 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:27:43 athena kernel: pid 5969 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:27:43 athena kernel: pid 5971 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:27:43 athena kernel: pid 5973 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:27:43 athena kernel: pid 5975 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:28:30 athena kernel: pid 5982 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:28:30 athena kernel: pid 5986 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:28:30 athena kernel: pid 5988 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:28:30 athena kernel: pid 5990 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Nov 8 15:28:30 athena kernel: pid 5992 (operapluginwrapper.), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) I don't have /proc on my system and I don't know why I should have it? Thanks in advance. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 00:42:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7DF106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F148FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo209.cox.net ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109004242.GKYD3765.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo209.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:42:42 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo209.cox.net with bizsmtp id uoih1h00G55wwzE02oih9F; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:42:42 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EB9CC82.001F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GlvmX0EemCkHIsfJI/uUz53NbOqpCno7T9uTKvSdMTY= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=AMax94v9meFwFOeFc9YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA90gfgS011957 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:42:48 -0000 Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my research has turned up anything useful yet. I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters with the MSB set. More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" command to properly display filenames containing characters in this extended set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names contain certain European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with umlaut (code 0xfc in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I just can't get ls to display properly. These characters seem to be considered by ls as "unprintable", and the best I've been able to produce in the ls output is backslash interpretations of the characters using either the -B or -b options, otherwise the default "?" is displayed in their place. The strange thing is that these characters will display just fine in xterm, gnome-terminal, etc. I can copy and paste them from the gucharmap utility into a shell command line or other application, and they appear as they should, but ls simply refuses to display them. I can print them using the printf command, even bash's builtin echo seems to have no problem with them. Only ls appears to have this problem. I've experimented with using various locales, using the LC_* variables, as well as the LANG variable (as documented in the environment section of the ls man page), all to no avail. Is this an inherent limitation of ls, or is there some workaround or other solution? Do we need a new en_*.UTF-16 locale? Should we consider extending the ls command to handle these characters? Or is there just something about all of this that I'm just not "getting"? As an additional note, I notice that in the text console, this same character code (0xfc) produces an entirely different character (a lowercase n in a raised position, as for the exponent in a mathematical expression). Is there, in fact, no standardization re: the representation of these "high bit" characters? Thanks to anyone who can help clear up this long-standing mystery for me. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 00:43:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ECC106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE5C8FC13 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767673D293; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:43:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA90h5Jm002998; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:43:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:43:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: ajtiM Message-Id: <20111109014305.f35254f6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: operapluginwraper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:43:08 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:33:01 -0600, ajtiM wrote: > I don't have /proc on my system and I don't know why I should have it? You'll need it in case you're using Linux ABI stuff, and if I remember correctly, this is required for the Opera "Flash" plugin. I'm using such a combination here. That's why I have # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass # --------- ------------------ ----------- ----------- --------- linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 in /etc/fstab. This requires options COMPAT_LINUX options LINPROCFS options LINSYSFS in your kernel config, or load the corresponding kernel modules. The line linux_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf should do that. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 00:48:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898141065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7668FC14 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pA90Hp6W022043; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: ajtiM In-Reply-To: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: operapluginwraper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:48:07 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, ajtiM wrote: > On my FreeBSD 8.2 Release I use KDE 4 and Opera 11.52. > Everytime when I start (use) Opera I have operapluginwraper..core in the > /home directory.. > In the /var/log/mesages I got also: > > Nov 8 15:15:20 athena console-kit-daemon[1395]: WARNING: kvm_getenvv > failed: cannot open /proc/4679/mem [snip] > I don't have /proc on my system and I don't know why I should have it? This might have to do with the linuxulator. At some point I added linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 ...to my /etc/fstab. I have a note in that file saying that it came from http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html I don't recall if I had to create that directory; I suspect it appeared automagically. I see: $ ls -l /usr/compat/linux | grep proc dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Nov 8 19:15 proc ...which was just a moment ago. HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 01:16:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DE3106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451EE8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id pA91HRDo065662; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: conrads@cox.net In-Reply-To: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:16:51 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters > with the MSB set. Quite simply Unix dates from the days where the 8th bit was used as a 'parity' bit. Allowing detection of *all* single-bit errors -- especially over the notoriously un-reliable connections known as 'serial ports'. > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" command > to properly display filenames containing characters in this extended > set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names contain certain > European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with umlaut (code 0xfc > in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I just can't get ls to > display properly. These characters seem to be considered by ls as > "unprintable", and the best I've been able to produce in the ls > output is backslash interpretations of the characters using either the > -B or -b options, otherwise the default "?" is displayed in their place. > > The strange thing is that these characters will display just fine in > xterm, gnome-terminal, etc. I can copy and paste them from the > gucharmap utility into a shell command line or other application, and > they appear as they should, but ls simply refuses to display them. I > can print them using the printf command, even bash's builtin echo seems > to have no problem with them. Only ls appears to have this problem. > > I've experimented with using various locales, using the LC_* > variables, as well as the LANG variable (as documented in the > environment section of the ls man page), all to no avail. Obviously you never read as far as the '-w' switch. > Is this an inherent limitation of ls, It is -not- a limitation; rather it is a _desired_ behavior -- so that one can _tell_ where there is an 'unprintable' character (like \r, or\b) in a filename. There are *good*reasons*(TM) why -q is the default behavior for 'terminal' output. > or is there some workaround or > other solution? Do we need a new en_*.UTF-16 locale? Should we > consider extending the ls command to handle these characters? There _are_ "improved" versions of ls that do understand the 'locale' environment variables -- but those programs introduce a whole bunch of *other* 'not necessarily desired' behaviors -- like sorting upper-case and lower-case letters as 'equals', rather than regarding any upper-case as sorting before any lowercase. > Or is > there just something about all of this that I'm just not "getting"? > > As an additional note, I notice that in the text console, this same > character code (0xfc) produces an entirely different character (a > lowercase n in a raised position, as for the exponent in a mathematical > expression). Is there, in fact, no standardization re: the > representation of these "high bit" characters? "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from" applies. WITH A VENGANCE!! There are at least FIFTEEN different sets of glyphs for the 'high bit set' byte codes *JUST* for the 'iso-8859' base charset. Plus 'utf-8' And not counting the various bastardiztions (e.g. 'CP-1252', etc.) that Microsoft has introduced. > Thanks to anyone who can help clear up this long-standing mystery for > me. eading he ine anpage -- with particular attention to the '-q' and '-w' options should provie some enlightenment. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 01:40:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFDC106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3ED8FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA91eY0Q075188; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA91eYuT075185; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:40:34 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:40:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:40:49 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the >>>> need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf) >>>> including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags" >>>> section. >>> >>> For at least the most recent Xorg, it's not needed. Can't recall whether it >>> is for the one before that. >> >> Nope, just tested and I'm wrong. DontZap Off is needed with X.Org X >> Server 1.7.7. Sorry about that. >> >> I recommend adding the option to ServerLayout and doing away with the >> extra complication of a ServerFlags section. > > Good suggestion, the Handbook should be changed > according to that if it really works (and is, in > my opinion, easier). It's already in there, right before Option "DontZap" "Off". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 01:51:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C3C106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9D8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [92.76.90.134] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RNxKH-0005no-6e; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:41 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.3/13906/Tue Nov 8 17:25:05 2011) Cc: Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:51:44 -0000 Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier : > Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is > something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my > research has turned up anything useful yet. > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characte= rs > with the MSB set. > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" comman= d > to properly display filenames containing characters in this extended > set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names contain certain= > European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with umlaut (code 0xfc > in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I just can't get ls to= > display properly. These characters seem to be considered by ls as > "unprintable", and the best I've been able to produce in the ls > output is backslash interpretations of the characters using either the= > -B or -b options, otherwise the default "?" is displayed in their plac= e. Unsure if I understand you correctly. ("extended" 8-bit character set with MSB? utf-16?) I'm confused by this charset stuff in general. Assuming you want \0xfc displayed as "=FC", > cat test.py && python test.py && ls -l #!/usr/local/bin/python # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- f=3Dopen('\xfc','w') f.close() total 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 29 9 Nov 02:43 test.py -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 0 9 Nov 02:44 =FC here is what works for me: in my login class in /etc/login.conf: :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ :lang=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-1:\ ``cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf'' after changes in /etc/rc.conf: scrnmap=3D"iso-8859-1_to_cp437" font8x8=3D"cp850-8x8" font8x14=3D"cp850-8x14" font8x16=3D"cp850-8x16" and in /etc/ttys, console type is set to ``cons25l1'' Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 01:58:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EE3106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B438FC0A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109015812.ENWL3808.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:58:12 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id upyB1h00255wwzE02pyBUd; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:58:11 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EB9DE34.001E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ewGJ9pl8V9JWS7AITLPHT0HSZLhrTByv8yJS1zQd6E8= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=lM4-zUH5AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=cH9zHN4GoNYeGypakIkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA91w9Tk016178; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:58:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:58:04 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:58:18 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit > > characters with the MSB set. > > Quite simply Unix dates from the days where the 8th bit was used as a > 'parity' bit. Allowing detection of *all* single-bit errors -- > especially over the notoriously un-reliable connections known as > 'serial ports'. Ah, yes! The "good old days". :-) > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" > > command to properly display filenames containing characters in this > > extended set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names > > contain certain European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with > > umlaut (code 0xfc in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I > > just can't get ls to display properly. These characters seem to be > > considered by ls as "unprintable", and the best I've been able to > > produce in the ls output is backslash interpretations of the > > characters using either the -B or -b options, otherwise the default > > "?" is displayed in their place. > > > > The strange thing is that these characters will display just fine in > > xterm, gnome-terminal, etc. I can copy and paste them from the > > gucharmap utility into a shell command line or other application, > > and they appear as they should, but ls simply refuses to display > > them. I can print them using the printf command, even bash's > > builtin echo seems to have no problem with them. Only ls appears > > to have this problem. > > > > I've experimented with using various locales, using the LC_* > > variables, as well as the LANG variable (as documented in the > > environment section of the ls man page), all to no avail. > > Obviously you never read as far as the '-w' switch. Yes, somehow that one went right past me. Haste makes waste! :-) > > Is this an inherent limitation of ls, > > It is -not- a limitation; rather it is a _desired_ behavior -- so > that one can _tell_ where there is an 'unprintable' character (like > \r, or\b) in a filename. There are *good*reasons*(TM) why -q is the > default behavior for 'terminal' output. OK, I can see that. :-) > > or is there some workaround or > > other solution? Do we need a new en_*.UTF-16 locale? Should we > > consider extending the ls command to handle these characters? > > There _are_ "improved" versions of ls that do understand the 'locale' > environment variables -- but those programs introduce a whole bunch of > *other* 'not necessarily desired' behaviors -- like sorting > upper-case and lower-case letters as 'equals', rather than regarding > any upper-case as sorting before any lowercase. Well, *that* certainly won't do! That should be the exception, not the rule. > > Or is > > there just something about all of this that I'm just not "getting"? > > > > As an additional note, I notice that in the text console, this same > > character code (0xfc) produces an entirely different character (a > > lowercase n in a raised position, as for the exponent in a > > mathematical expression). Is there, in fact, no standardization > > re: the representation of these "high bit" characters? > > "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose > from" applies. WITH A VENGANCE!! > > There are at least FIFTEEN different sets of glyphs for the 'high bit > set' byte codes *JUST* for the 'iso-8859' base charset. Plus > 'utf-8' And not counting the various bastardiztions (e.g. 'CP-1252', > etc.) that Microsoft has introduced. > > > Thanks to anyone who can help clear up this long-standing mystery > > for me. > > eading he ine anpage -- with particular attention to the > '-q' and '-w' options should provie some enlightenment. Thank you very much. Some of this matched the suspicions I already had re: this matter. Don't know how I completely missed the -w switch. Mea culpa. :-) So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most "universal" representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters (are they really seeing what I'm seeing?). :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 02:09:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409F3106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B798FC15 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109020926.QNI3808.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:09:26 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id uq9R1h00M55wwzE02q9RoQ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:09:26 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4EB9E0D6.003B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=BX0YEIBOusRIeQdDschwVvWAB1OmeRFmMWKQyT+Am3A= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=lM4-zUH5AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=OKyewbe6qOwsheSDvTwA:9 a=AFn1YTVENLhFpt87nzAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA929PcE016273; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:09:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:09:20 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20111108200920.2724a742@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:09:33 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit > > characters with the MSB set. > > Quite simply Unix dates from the days where the 8th bit was used as a > 'parity' bit. Allowing detection of *all* single-bit errors -- > especially over the notoriously un-reliable connections known as > 'serial ports'. > > > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" > > command to properly display filenames containing characters in this > > extended set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names > > contain certain European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with > > umlaut (code 0xfc in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I > > just can't get ls to display properly. These characters seem to be > > considered by ls as "unprintable", and the best I've been able to > > produce in the ls output is backslash interpretations of the > > characters using either the -B or -b options, otherwise the default > > "?" is displayed in their place. > > > > The strange thing is that these characters will display just fine in > > xterm, gnome-terminal, etc. I can copy and paste them from the > > gucharmap utility into a shell command line or other application, > > and they appear as they should, but ls simply refuses to display > > them. I can print them using the printf command, even bash's > > builtin echo seems to have no problem with them. Only ls appears > > to have this problem. > > > > I've experimented with using various locales, using the LC_* > > variables, as well as the LANG variable (as documented in the > > environment section of the ls man page), all to no avail. > > Obviously you never read as far as the '-w' switch. Just a quickie followup: Setting LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and using "ls -w" was, in fact, the magic key (at least, in any of the X terminal apps; still getting the little "exponential n" in the console)! Thank you so much. I'll sleep much better tonight. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 02:10:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A101065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4508FC08 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400231E1B0; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:10:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA92AOec003359; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:10:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:10:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Michael Ross" Message-Id: <20111109031024.fb4c617e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:10:27 -0000 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100, Michael Ross wrote: > Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier : >=20 > > Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is > > something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my > > research has turned up anything useful yet. > > > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters > > with the MSB set. > > > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" command > > to properly display filenames containing characters in this extended > > set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names contain certain > > European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with umlaut (code 0xfc > > in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I just can't get ls to > > display properly. These characters seem to be considered by ls as > > "unprintable", and the best I've been able to produce in the ls > > output is backslash interpretations of the characters using either the > > -B or -b options, otherwise the default "?" is displayed in their place. >=20 > Unsure if I understand you correctly. > ("extended" 8-bit character set with MSB? utf-16?) > I'm confused by this charset stuff in general. >=20 > Assuming you want \0xfc displayed as "=FC", >=20 > > cat test.py && python test.py && ls -l >=20 > #!/usr/local/bin/python > # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- >=20 > f=3Dopen('\xfc','w') > f.close() > total 2 >=20 > -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 29 9 Nov 02:43 test.py > -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 0 9 Nov 02:44 =FC >=20 >=20 > here is what works for me: >=20 > in my login class in /etc/login.conf: >=20 > :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-1:\ >=20 > ``cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf'' after changes Ah, thanks - that seems to be the proper way to have the environmental variables set - instead of my (ab)use of setenv's in the csh config file. :-) Note the "precedence" of $LANG vs. $LC_* (as they can be used to configure things more precisely, e. g. regarding system messages or date formats; see example following). > in /etc/rc.conf: >=20 > scrnmap=3D"iso-8859-1_to_cp437" Hm? CP437? Codepage? Isn't that some MS-DOS thing? I've never needed a screenmap to make "extended characters" (everything beyong US-ASCII) work. > font8x8=3D"cp850-8x8" > font8x14=3D"cp850-8x14" > font8x16=3D"cp850-8x16" >=20 >=20 > and in /etc/ttys, console type is set to ``cons25l1'' I have a similar setting here, but that does _not_ work wuth UTF-8 codec characters. If I want to use them, I have to change some environmental variables, from #-------GERMAN/ENGLISH------------------------ <=3D=3D=3D DEFAULT setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_TIME de_DE.ISO8859-1 unsetenv LANG to #-------INTERNATIONAL------------------------- setenv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8 setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.UTF-8 setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_TIME de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LANG de_DE.UTF-8 Then I can use UTF-8 characters inside rxvt-unicode. Of course, text mode console is limited to the first set of configuration, using the ISO 8859-1 character set. This worked long before UTF-8 arrived with the glorious idea that I should have 2 bytes where one is sufficient, to describe our (german) 6 umlauts and the Eszett ligature. :-) Improper settings will result in [][] or A-tilde three quarters upside-down question mark, depending on editor or terminal used. But returning to the original question, I think Robert did explain it very well: There is no real consensus about what the different codings should mean. They were meant to unify the representation of a very large set of characters, but basically there are many inter- pretations now, and how they show up to the user depends on the font in use, _if_ it has this mapping or that, or none. For running ls, -w is the right option to use - but IN COMBINATION with correct settings for the terminal emulation AND the presence of a font that will do. Again a fine demonstration why file names should be limited to printable ASCII and no spaces if you want them to work everywhere. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 02:19:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372CD106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED56C8FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E543D37B; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:19:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA92Jtw6003571; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:19:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:19:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-Id: <20111109031955.bc090847.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:19:58 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:58:04 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most "universal" > representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered > about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters (are > they really seeing what I'm seeing?). :-) With lots of experience in "how not to do it", I would like to suggest the following: Use US-ASCII letters only. This makes _sure_ they will display correctly everywhere and even on ultra-worst conditions (e. g. you are at a real serial console, a real DEC vt100). Filenames like kloesze_mit_muesli_foerdern_baerenhunger.mp3 can be processed by _any_ ls or mailer program. There is no need to worry about... hmmm... do they have the same character settings that I use? Do they have a font installed that can show the file names properly? Rules: Substitute umlauts properly (*e). Substitute ß to sz ("teletype convention"). Remove accents or other marks completely, as well as "strokes through characters" or similar typographical specialities. If you can, use lowercase only. No spaces, use _ instead. Avoid any other special characters. Make everything plain ASCII, and you can _still_ easily get the meaning. The file system ITSELF doesn't care for the meaning of the characters. SAVING them and DISPLAYING them are two fully different things. Nobody stops you from making filenames like öÜÖß߀ŵ³¼`łøæſđ̣ĸ»¢.mp3, but they can cause trouble you can't predict. You _never_ know... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 02:24:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8AE106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573168FC14 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109022424.GIXC3788.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:24:24 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id uqQP1h00V55wwzE02qQQUu; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:24:24 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4EB9E458.005A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=n8j2qrTChidZYK+driZvPGNPpB1vlUiTfZeEYAw05jg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=8_BhesuLiGZsFoeqQKcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA92ONIj016338; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:24:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:24:18 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: <20111108202418.05081f25@cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:24:30 -0000 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100 "Michael Ross" wrote: > Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier > : >=20 > > Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is > > something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my > > research has turned up anything useful yet. > > > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the > > displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit > > characters with the MSB set. > > > > More specifically, I'm trying to figure out how to get the "ls" > > command to properly display filenames containing characters in this > > extended set. I have some MP3 files, for instance, whose names > > contain certain European characters, such as the lowercase "u" with > > umlaut (code 0xfc in the Latin set, according to gucharmap), that I > > just can't get ls to display properly. These characters seem to be > > considered by ls as "unprintable", and the best I've been able to > > produce in the ls output is backslash interpretations of the > > characters using either the -B or -b options, otherwise the default > > "?" is displayed in their place. >=20 > Unsure if I understand you correctly. > ("extended" 8-bit character set with MSB? utf-16?) > I'm confused by this charset stuff in general. That is to say, "8-bit characters with the most significant bit set", or "characters greater than 0x7f". I can certainly appreciate your confusion; this is definitely a confusing area. In gucharmap, selecting the unlauted "u" in the Latin set, the "Character Details" tab reveals the following: U+00FC LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS General Character Properties In Unicode since: 1.1 Unicode category: Letter, Lowercase Canonical decomposition: U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U + U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS Various Useful Representations UTF-8: 0xC3 0xBC UTF-16: 0x00FC C octal escaped UTF-8: \303\274 XML decimal entity: ü So apparently, it's a "wide" character in UTF-8, which really throws a monkey wrench into the works in certain situations (for example, one of the little scripts I've written to process MP3 files uses the "cut" command, which complains about an "illegal byte sequence"). Even more confusing, selecting the character and copying it to the clipboard, the UTF-16 representation (0xfc) is what actually gets used. Pasting this single-byte version into an X terminal (any of them: xterm, gnome-terminal, etc.) does display the correct character, an umlauted "u", even if using an 8-bit locale, such as UTF-8. Majorly confusing! > Assuming you want \0xfc displayed as "=FC", Yes, exactly. > > cat test.py && python test.py && ls -l >=20 > #!/usr/local/bin/python > # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- >=20 > f=3Dopen('\xfc','w') > f.close() > total 2 >=20 > -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 29 9 Nov 02:43 test.py > -rw-r--r-- 1 michael wheel 0 9 Nov 02:44 =FC >=20 >=20 > here is what works for me: >=20 > in my login class in /etc/login.conf: >=20 > :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-1:\ >=20 > ``cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf'' after changes >=20 >=20 > in /etc/rc.conf: >=20 > scrnmap=3D"iso-8859-1_to_cp437" > font8x8=3D"cp850-8x8" > font8x14=3D"cp850-8x14" > font8x16=3D"cp850-8x16" >=20 >=20 > and in /etc/ttys, console type is set to ``cons25l1'' Thanks, I hadn't considered making those sorts of changes for the console. I work so seldom nowadays in the console, I'd forgotten all about that stuff (use it or lose it, as they say!). I'll certainly give that a try. Much appreciation for both yours and Robert's replies. --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 02:43:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E574106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237848FC19 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A35D72A; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:27:16 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-ID: <55A813557C42D92761C1B590@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:43:17 -0000 --As of November 8, 2011 7:58:04 PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier is alleged to have said: > So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most "universal" > representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered > about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters (are > they really seeing what I'm seeing?). :-) --As for the rest, it is mine. These days, the safest bet is UTF-8, or some other Unicode character set, in something that can convey what character set it is in. (Email can, depending on the mail client.) Not that Unicode is universal yet, but it designed to be (and is, generally) a solution to the 'multiple character encodings' problem. (By, of course, defining a new encoding.) It has a decent amount of traction, and in a decade or so - once other options have been firmly depreciated - I'd expect we could start discussing whether to switch ls to using it by default. ;) All this is of course if you *must* go beyond 7-bit ASCII. (Which all forms of Unicode is designed to be a strict superset of.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. 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Sabatier" To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111109031024.fb4c617e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <20111109031024.fb4c617e.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Michael Ross , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:00:01 -0000 On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:10:24 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100, Michael Ross wrote: > > Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier > > : [snip] > > > I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to > > > the displaying of the "extended" 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit > > > characters with the MSB set. [snip]=20 > > Unsure if I understand you correctly. > > ("extended" 8-bit character set with MSB? utf-16?) > > I'm confused by this charset stuff in general. > >=20 > > Assuming you want \0xfc displayed as "=FC", [snip] > > here is what works for me: > >=20 > > in my login class in /etc/login.conf: > >=20 > > :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ > > :lang=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-1:\ > >=20 > > ``cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf'' after changes >=20 > Ah, thanks - that seems to be the proper way to have > the environmental variables set - instead of my (ab)use > of setenv's in the csh config file. :-) Same here. I've been "guilty" as well of neglecting to properly adjust my console configuration. > Note the "precedence" of $LANG vs. $LC_* (as they can > be used to configure things more precisely, e. g. > regarding system messages or date formats; see example > following). >=20 >=20 >=20 > > in /etc/rc.conf: > >=20 > > scrnmap=3D"iso-8859-1_to_cp437" >=20 > Hm? CP437? Codepage? Isn't that some MS-DOS thing? > I've never needed a screenmap to make "extended > characters" (everything beyong US-ASCII) work. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > font8x8=3D"cp850-8x8" > > font8x14=3D"cp850-8x14" > > font8x16=3D"cp850-8x16" > >=20 > >=20 > > and in /etc/ttys, console type is set to ``cons25l1'' >=20 > I have a similar setting here, but that does _not_ work > wuth UTF-8 codec characters. If I want to use them, I > have to change some environmental variables, from >=20 > #-------GERMAN/ENGLISH------------------------ <=3D=3D=3D DEFAULT > setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_TIME de_DE.ISO8859-1 > unsetenv LANG >=20 > to >=20 > #-------INTERNATIONAL------------------------- > setenv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8 > setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.UTF-8 > setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.UTF-8 > setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.UTF-8 > setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.UTF-8 > setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.UTF-8 > setenv LC_TIME de_DE.UTF-8 > setenv LANG de_DE.UTF-8 Doesn't using "LC_ALL" obviate the need to set any of the other LC_* variables? At least, that's always been my understanding of it. But, getting back to something you said earlier, what did you mean exactly about the precedence of LANG vs. LC_*? > Then I can use UTF-8 characters inside rxvt-unicode. Of > course, text mode console is limited to the first set > of configuration, using the ISO 8859-1 character set. >=20 > This worked long before UTF-8 arrived with the glorious > idea that I should have 2 bytes where one is sufficient, > to describe our (german) 6 umlauts and the Eszett ligature. :-) Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as being a single-byte representation for each character in the set, whereas UTF-16, as the name implies, would be the "wide", 2-byte version. Nonetheless, as I posted earlier in this thread, according to the info in gucharmap, the representations of the umlauted "u" are just the opposite of this: UTF-8: 0xC3 0xBC UTF-16: 0x00FC Go figure, huh? :-) =20 > Improper settings will result in [][] or A-tilde three > quarters upside-down question mark, depending on editor > or terminal used. Yes, I will definitely have to try using the recommendations that have come up in this thread re: the console. > But returning to the original question, I think Robert > did explain it very well: There is no real consensus > about what the different codings should mean. They > were meant to unify the representation of a very large > set of characters, but basically there are many inter- > pretations now, and how they show up to the user depends > on the font in use, _if_ it has this mapping or that, > or none. This seems rather unfortunate to me. You would think that, by now, some "standard" character set might have emerged that would allow one to use, at the very least, the "Western" characters (as opposed to the "Eastern" or "Oriental" or "Asian", if you will) with a reasonable expectation that others will see what was intended. > For running ls, -w is the right option to use - but IN > COMBINATION with correct settings for the terminal > emulation AND the presence of a font that will do. Yes. I'm still a little embarrassed for having completely overlooked that option earlier. Hasty (impatient) reading of man pages. :-) > Again a fine demonstration why file names should be > limited to printable ASCII and no spaces if you want > them to work everywhere. :-) Well, for myself, personally, I'm a bit of a stickler for "language authenticity", you might call it. Having studied both German and French rather extensively in my younger days, I'm quite fond of both languages, and rather keen on seeing them represented accurately (I especially wince at the use of the plain, unaccented vowel followed by an "e" in place of the umlaut, and to a lesser degree, the use of "ss" in place of Esszett), which has caused me no small amount of confusion, aggravation and frustration over the years, to be sure! :-) --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 03:29:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53913106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FD78FC20 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109032916.LJOM3765.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:29:16 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id urVF1h00E55wwzE02rVFzn; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:29:15 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EB9F38B.00EA,ss=2,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=n8j2qrTChidZYK+driZvPGNPpB1vlUiTfZeEYAw05jg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=Fa5_YPFaAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=dUMXXrLd_vK-sQjsCGAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=2mYow5eUDuQA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA93TEmE016775; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:29:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:29:09 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20111108212909.4549a29d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <55A813557C42D92761C1B590@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> <55A813557C42D92761C1B590@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: DStaal@usa.net Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:29:22 -0000 On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:27:16 -0400 Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of November 8, 2011 7:58:04 PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier is > alleged to have said: >=20 > > So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most "universal" > > representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered > > about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters > > (are they really seeing what I'm seeing?). :-) >=20 > --As for the rest, it is mine. >=20 > These days, the safest bet is UTF-8, or some other Unicode character > set, in something that can convey what character set it is in. > (Email can, depending on the mail client.) >=20 > Not that Unicode is universal yet, but it designed to be (and is,=20 > generally) a solution to the 'multiple character encodings' problem. > (By, of course, defining a new encoding.) It has a decent amount of > traction, and in a decade or so - once other options have been firmly > depreciated - I'd expect we could start discussing whether to switch > ls to using it by default. ;) >=20 > All this is of course if you *must* go beyond 7-bit ASCII. (Which > all forms of Unicode is designed to be a strict superset of.) That sounds sane and sensible. :-) I've adjusted my environment to include: export LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8 export LC_ALL=3Den_US.UTF-8 And also adjusted my console configuration to display these characters: font8x14=3D"iso-8x14" font8x16=3D"iso-8x16" font8x8=3D"iso-8x8" And, last but not least, aliased "ls" to ensure these characters will actually be displayed: alias ls=3D'ls -Fw' Looking good here now: conrads:~$ cd "Music/Progressive Rock/Yes/The Yes Album" conrads:~/Music/Progressive Rock/Yes/The Yes Album$ ls *03* Yes - The Yes Album - 03 - Starship Trooper: a. Life Seeker - b. Disillusion - c. W=FCrm.mp3 Many thanks to everyone for all the very helpful, useful information. --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 03:35:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490EF1065672 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA47A8FC08 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109033527.JWFH3769.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:35:27 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id urbS1h00355wwzE02rbSLx; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:35:26 -0500 X-CT-Class: Bulk X-CT-Score: 5.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4EB9F4FE.00E1,ss=3,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=BX0YEIBOusRIeQdDschwVvWAB1OmeRFmMWKQyT+Am3A= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qrDtXlDNX9hSwqRxQJMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA93ZPJi016810; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:35:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:35:20 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-ID: <20111108213520.535c52d8@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111108202418.05081f25@cox.net> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <20111108202418.05081f25@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Ross , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:35:33 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:24:18 -0600 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > Even more confusing, selecting the character and copying it to the > clipboard, the UTF-16 representation (0xfc) is what actually gets > used. Pasting this single-byte version into an X terminal (any of > them: xterm, gnome-terminal, etc.) does display the correct character, > an umlauted "u", even if using an 8-bit locale, such as UTF-8. > Majorly confusing! Just realized on reading this how weird it sounds. What I was getting at here was that the (single-byte) UTF-16 code displays the correct character in a UTF-8 locale, even though the UTF-8 code for the character is supposedly a 2-byte sequence. Anyway, enough about that. I've managed to get the results I was hoping for now, so I'm satisfied. :-) Thanks again for all the responses. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 05:03:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2E51065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB918FC18 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id pA954Pod066887 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:04:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:04:25 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201111090504.pA954Pod066887@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:03:45 -0000 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > > Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little > misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as being a > single-byte representation for each character in the set, whereas > UTF-16, as the name implies, would be the "wide", 2-byte version. "Not exactly." > Nonetheless, as I posted earlier in this thread, according to the info > in gucharmap, the representations of the umlauted "u" are just the > opposite of this: "not exactly." Again. > UTF-8: 0xC3 0xBC > UTF-16: 0x00FC > > Go figure, huh? :-) In UTF-16, everything _is_ a 16-bit entity. Notice that 0x00FC has -four- nybbles after the '0x.' Every character boundary is on a multiple of 16 bits. In UTF-8, the 'base' charset -- the 'C0' and 'C1' groups are represented by a single byte. 'extended' characters are represented by two bytes. Thus, 'characters' have a *variable*length* representation -- one or two bytes. A character, whether it is represented by one or two bytes, can begin on -any- byte boundary within a data stream, depending on 'what came before it'. UTF-8 2-byte representations are designed such that one can jump to any _byte_ offset within the file, and determine -- by looking *only* at the value of that byte whether is is (a) a single-byte character, (b) the first byte of a two-byte sequence, or (c) the second byte of a two-byte sequence. With UTF-16 you can position directly to any -character-, by jumping to a _byte_ offset that is twice the index of the character you want. Given a byte offset, you always know the 'equivalent' _character_ offset. With UTF-8, you have to read the character stream, counting 'characters' as you go, to get to the desired point. You can seek to an arbitrary _byte_ offset, but you do not know how mny 'characters' into the file that offset is. UTF-8 vs. UTF-16 is a trade-off between 'compactness' (UTF-8), and simplicity of addessing/representation (UTF-16). > This seems rather unfortunate to me. You would think that, by now, > some "standard" character set might have emerged that would allow one > to use, at the very least, the "Western" characters (as opposed to > the "Eastern" or "Oriental" or "Asian", if you will) with a reasonable > expectation that others will see what was intended. Heh. How many 'character' codes are you willing to devote to national 'currency symbols', just for starters? Probable minimum of two per currency -- one for the minimum coinage unit (cent, pence, pfennig, etc.) and one for the denomination unit (dollar, pound, mark, kroner, etc.) Now, one (obviously) has to have the basic 'Roman' alphabet. Then there are all the diacritical markings (accent, accent grave, dot umlaut, ring, bar, 'hat', inverted hat, etc.) for vowels. And cedilla, tilde, etc., for select consonants. Plus language specific symbols like ess-zett , 'thorn', etc. How about phonetic symbols, like 'schwa' ? And Greek for all sorts of scientific use? What about Cyrilic characters, for many Eastern Eurpean languages? Now, consider punctuation marks: the 'typewriter' basics, How many of 'minus-sign, hyphen, em-dash, en-dash, soft-hyphen' are needed? How many of 'accent, accent grave, apostrophe, opening/closing single-quote' are needed? opening/closing double-quotes, and/or a 'position neutral' double-quote? "Other symbols", like -- digits, common fractions, 'Trademark','Registered trademark','copyright' 'paragraph','section', superscripts -- exponents, footnotes, etc. subscripts -- chemical formulae, etc. "Simple line-drawing graphics" Diphthongs?? Ligatures?? Start counting things up. An 8-bit 'address space' gets used used up _really_ quick. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 08:04:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC031065672 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley.wil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D408B8FC16 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so1748963vws.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:04:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WDfAV4gfzzkMywFKgjvu+Fk5AydtFkUQvPaZj6whqXs=; b=wKiOpTt0eIFAgM9A7UZxDPR7pg//sysge3p6p9AtVaIRRjMtVhF8Ezwt65khLJ+H/W 78b46T3qr2p3DxVtnabMOlkvpCXGo0Mbz69w2qh4d7w48MoQ0TkPnnpw5YmCCIKfRj3q zb8Fqg/I0bQoLGRbXF62N2BUFx6j0SsYt8pjc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.65.77 with SMTP id v13mr2403675vds.95.1320825843259; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.108.73 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:04:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111031233812.34c7f61d@cox.net> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:04:03 +1000 Message-ID: From: Ashley Williams To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: hard lockups with RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:04:04 -0000 On 3 November 2011 07:37, Ashley Williams wrote: >> I've seen a few of these, too, in RC-1. =A0I assumed they might be relat= ed >> to my having recently upgraded to the flash 11 port, but hadn't gotten >> around to reporting anything yet. =A0Like you, I have no hard data to >> base any conclusions on as to what's causing the lockups. > > I can confirm Flash does cause the lock up, but I'm running flash 10, not= 11. > Nevertheless this is a problem with linux emulation, not flash > Turns out this was caused by an out of date nvidia driver. Updated to nvidia-driver-285.05.09 and that solved the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 08:57:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01416106567E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryazanov.s.a@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7598FC1A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so1786460vws.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:57:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=kzYLJ2gkP64YdAXWZnDXl+sMUqSb7wjxqPJfFsH2S0A=; b=Oj0mgdW6QM8deAPE8BGEL7TzZV6IPFVs1gIpBMGbNVCf+eCeEs+Ykcl0FBLtWI/hXL /GAVN0KPmxCS6uZfGNWmbI8A7xTSWiiTydDg/W13oVQTC9j47XzYDKreupCLkscu/nLf 2bxYzELXXUCm/+fX4UEVbSibatodmF+pX8YHs= Received: by 10.52.30.194 with SMTP id u2mr2764131vdh.13.1320827306046; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:28:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.114.228 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: Sergey Ryazanov Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:28:05 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: BUS_SETUP_INTR definition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:57:37 -0000 Hello, I learning interrupt handling inside FreeBSD kernel but can't find BUS_SETUP_INTR() function realization or even definition. Could somebody advice me where defined and realized BUS_SETUP_INTR() function/macro? -- With best wishes Sergey Ryazanov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 09:40:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46E2106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saeedeh.motlagh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18F18FC15 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so1817951vws.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:40:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yJknA83+9PsB3AWfXKM7Vk1eTtxC5g0Z9jUQqXVrBJU=; b=nw+aySkYor+JcPc0zP9VfLQJcZAvRbpL//7JRU+DUM5aScOO1ft6t9LZgsIaPl5e9D c1+lJI5eZiaMZb4uXP+ahwN69UXH5x/VG9xU669NJs9vHiOTOD5NWjB3BGqwsCMcL6c8 l9RToHq/wdj90pq3e0cT2o6qdekwLXu6KQP4Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.72.104 with SMTP id c8mr2794462vdv.105.1320829905359; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.184.163 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:11:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:41:45 +0330 Message-ID: From: saeedeh motlagh To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:40:39 -0000 hi i wanna have serial console communication with the other system. i want to have baud rate 115200 for this communication but the default is 9600. i test the following options but the baud rate is 9600 yet: - add the following commands to the /boot/loader.conf file: boot_multicons=3D=94YES=94 boot_serial=3D=94YES=94 comconsole_speed=3D=94115200=94 console=3D=94comconsole,vidcobsole=94 - change the baud rate in /etc/ttys file - stty -f /dev/ttyu0 115200 - change the baud rate in /etc/rc.d/serial file when i use "stty -f /dev/ttyu0.init 115200" the baud rate for ttyu0.init change to 115200. after that i use "kill -1 1" in order to reinitialize devices but nothing happened and the baud rate for ttyu0 is still 9600. i know adding the "COM_CONSOLE_SPEED=3D115200" to make.conf and recompile it, change the baud rate but i want to know if there is a way to change it without recompiling. please let me know if there is any way to do that. my FreeBSD is 8.0 thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 10:30:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48680106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D321F8FC15 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (lon.namesco.net [195.7.254.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA9AUUJF083252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:30:30 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:30:30 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:30:32 -0000 'Hi all, I'm trying to move a script from a linux box to a freebsd box. All going well as its just a bash script and bash is bash, however there is one line I'm unable to use directly, as bsd sed (correctly according to SUS at least, I believe[1]) appends a newline when writing to standard out, gnu sed doesnt. example BSD [backup@banshee ~]$ echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed -n 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/gp' /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5 [backup@banshee ~]$ LINUX [backup@amber ~]$ echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/g' /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5[backup@amber ~]$ is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? for now I have encapsulated the whole thing in a subshell [backup@banshee ~]$ echo -n $(echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed -n 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/gp') /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5[backup@banshee ~]$ Which works but seems a little hackish. Vince [1]http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/sed.html ' Whenever the pattern space is written to standard output or a named file, /sed/ will immediately follow it with a newline character. " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 11:06:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D985E1065675 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A368FC0A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph3.telenor.se (iph3.telenor.se [195.54.127.134]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C889AD503 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:06:47 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqGCAJVeuk5V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMNolEmhoCAYZTAQEBATeCJAEBAQEDOEARCyEWDwkDAgECARsWFBMIAQHAU4l/BKYY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,483,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="145732069" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2011 12:06:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:06:37 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:06:52 -0000 Thanks guys, that was really helpful! I now also installed the nVidia driver and it works well. The reason I didn't use it in the first place was that I had read that the old Geforce 2-card wasn't supported by the nVidia rivers anymore. And that nouveau (as replacement for nv) should be used instead. (But that was on a Gentoo Linux page when I tried that OS shortly before FreeBSD and thought it was the same with the drivers. Apparently I was wrong... I made a minimal install of Xorg and only downloaded nouveau. ) The zoom works just fine now for all resolutions supported. So I guess my driver issue is solved. I got the zap to work also, but first only by using the setxkbmap command in .xinitrc. Which made me remember that I had the exact same problem with my swedish keyboardmappings the very first time I started X. I just couldn't get it to work and nearly gave up before I tried the setxkbmap method and put them into .xinitrc, which saved me. Although I had put the exact same "rules" and "layout" options in xorg.conf and double checked the format and spelling hundreds of times. The problem was still there now: when I commented it out in .xinitrc I got the US keyboard in xterm in spite of the xorg.conf settings. It seemed like the X server just ignored all my keyboard options in xorg.config. Which it also did! (As I also colud confirm from the logfile) The thing that really made it was the Option "AutoAddDevice" "off", which I had failed to notice. I realize that it was too long since I looked into the handbook, because it is in clear text there. Sorry for that! But since this autodetection seems to be the standard for Xorg now and it is so important issue to get things working, maybe it should be put in a highlighted box with "Important!" written on it. The thing is that I was also using other documentation and guides, like the manpages or books of maybe a couple of years old. This issue is not mentioned and the InputDevices sections in xorg.conf is just supposed to work. A not outdated example of unclarity: the man page xorg.conf(5) freshly installed with my system says: Option "AutoAddDevices" "boolean" If this option is disabled, then no devices will be added from HAL events. Enabled by default. It doesn't warn that if it is NOT disabled the InputDevice sections won't work at all. And "no devices will be added" sounds like a bad thing, so you rather leave this option enabled... And then in the INPUTDEVICE SECTION: Recent X servers employ input hotplugging to add input devices, with the HAL backend being the default backend for X servers since 1.4. It is usually not necessary to provide InputDevice sections in the xorg.conf if hotplugging is enabled. I smile when I read such things, because "usually not neceesary to provide" is a funny way to express "not able to provide". :) It should be clearly stated that theese are two conflicting options and that autoconfiguration overrides manual entries. I think it always should be the reverse, but thats no big deal as long as it is very clear how to enforce the manual choices on the system. Of course it is logical that you can't have both, but I can assure you as a newbie with all that you have to learn that this detail is easy to miss. And when autoconfiguration overrides then you are lost without knowing why , because everything seems correctly configured except it doesn't work. Now I'm curious: Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in the first place, so there was something going wrong there? Thanks again for the help! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 11:11:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512BF106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116738FC13 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so1889545vws.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:11:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.111.8 with SMTP id ie8mr367010obb.50.1320837096690; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.88.98 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:11:36 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.169.73] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:11:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: saeedeh motlagh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:11:38 -0000 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM, saeedeh motlagh wrote: > - change the baud rate in /etc/ttys file (...) > when i use =A0"stty -f /dev/ttyu0.init 115200" the baud rate for > ttyu0.init change to 115200. after that i use "kill -1 1" in order to > reinitialize devices but nothing happened and the baud rate for ttyu0 > is still 9600. Are you sure you really updated /etc/ttys correctly? ttyu0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" dialup on secure What does 'ps ax | grep getty' say? Something like this: 1416 u0 Is+ 0:00.24 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 ttyu0 or like this: 1416 u0 Is+ 0:00.24 /usr/libexec/getty std.115200 ttyu0 Then, check that std.115200 is indeed in /etc/gettytab. Save for getty, I don't know what would reset the speed to 9600... Maybe some weird setting in /etc/login.conf? -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 11:27:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C20106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2BB8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA9BRYcB074844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:27:35 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk pA9BRYcB074844 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1320838056; bh=f75nmdrbDl31QVwjuIlMnoNqE1IZkalHmXtGfFvHArQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WxbdsjYFcQ9YpmvAe4SFYgf/LnBnIKlctfhuGGRlk95vW5GRT6pDN3So9yOCXQhQj GqA8XrGEBP9/9cgYPdL3maT/ks8kY48J2l9kdWeKJPGB1Vg74W/JK4mA4amuVSV+TV 18uOowf+UFrghVjVVt+9Am5IrTonHYraVqWf4scw= Message-ID: <4EBA63A6.7070006@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:27:34 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Hoffman References: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:27:40 -0000 On 09/11/2011 10:30, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? > for now I have encapsulated the whole thing in a subshell > [backup@banshee ~]$ echo -n $(echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; > /var:7:1:5" | sed -n 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/gp') > /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5[backup@banshee ~]$ > > Which works but seems a little hackish. You can do it with awk(1): # echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | \ awk ' { gsub("[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*", ";", $0) ; printf "%s", $0 }' Not sure if that's any better than your solution using echo though. Also trivial in perl(1) or python(1) or whatever, but it seems a waste to fire up a whole perl interpreter just to do that. 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[184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jm11sm6552579ibb.1.2011.11.09.03.28.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Polytropon Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:28:43 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.7.2; i386; ; ) References: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20111109014305.f35254f6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111109014305.f35254f6.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111090528.44241.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: operapluginwraper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:28:54 -0000 On Tuesday 08 November 2011 18:43:05 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:33:01 -0600, ajtiM wrote: > > I don't have /proc on my system and I don't know why I should have it? > > You'll need it in case you're using Linux ABI stuff, and > if I remember correctly, this is required for the Opera > "Flash" plugin. > > I'm using such a combination here. That's why I have > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass > # --------- ------------------ ----------- ----------- --------- > linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > > in /etc/fstab. This requires > > options COMPAT_LINUX > options LINPROCFS > options LINSYSFS > > in your kernel config, or load the corresponding kernel > modules. The line > > linux_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf should do that. Thank you. But as I nderstand the Opera should be FreeBSD native. I didn't installed Linux version. And I don't have flash plugin installed either. BTW I use gnash. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 12:19:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC2106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED08C8FC08 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CAE14145 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjorAIZvuk5V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMNolEkSaNE4I4AQEBATeCJAEBAQEDOEARCyENAQgPCQMCAQIBGxYUEwgBAcBNhmkBgxUEphg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,484,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="510101123" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBA6FE0.5040308@bredband.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> In-Reply-To: <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:19:46 -0000 Samuel Magnusson wrote 2011-11-09 12:06: > > Now I'm curious: > > Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will > override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons > that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? > > And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in > the first place, so there was something going wrong there? > Well don't bother answering, because I understand it from reading the handbook. It is clear to me now, it was just to much new info for my brain to handle earlier.. :) Now my original questions 3-4 still remain unsolved. This works for me: X :0 -terminate Ctrl-Alt-F1 xterm -display :0 Ctrl-Alt-F9 exit xterm.. which brings me back to the first console. But this doesn't work: X :0 -terminate vt4 Ctrl-Alt-F1 (doesn't respond) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (doesn't respond) ssh-login from my laptop works so I can start a "xterm -display :0" from there. But even if I can focus the xterm-window with the mouse the keyboard doesn't respond so I can't write any commands. If I kill -9 the X server and the login process on vt4 the processes disappears from the list but I am still not taken back to vt0 and the system hangs except for my ssh-login that still works. I have to shutdown or reboot from there. Any clue why? Is my command "X :0 vt4" wrong or not supposed to work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 15:45:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24926106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryazanov.s.a@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A4D8FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so2222761vws.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:45:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=L8ElIplzmI0gZxM48velV5DllzlJqyzUcKYZLlpvYj8=; b=eqwOf6jUwEOUm+tYR4pI6iVAv6FY4plExzm8ASTSwg8Q5EksGvgia7ryKKshU2yXPI 99T0SJ7tqd+L3/Qi4bJLRWVu4TVXN7CpYG6ykttW4Brj3SXCYy6opRSNMNwyakTp7I6E 5XJF85/zl+sdXFjSqwhNWYT9NHlZ226XVij/c= Received: by 10.52.88.231 with SMTP id bj7mr5461570vdb.81.1320853519077; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:45:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.114.228 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:44:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Sergey Ryazanov Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:44:58 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: BUS_SETUP_INTR definition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:45:20 -0000 2011/11/9 Sergey Ryazanov : > I learning interrupt handling inside FreeBSD kernel but can't find > BUS_SETUP_INTR() function realization or even definition. > Could somebody advice me where defined and realized BUS_SETUP_INTR() > function/macro? I found the answer on one's own. BUS_SETUP_INTR() is the inline function defined in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XXX/*/bus_if.h which is generated during build time from /sys/kern/bus_if.m template. -- With best wishes Sergey Ryazanov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 16:06:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37225106572B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel@onza.mythic-beasts.com) Received: from onza.mythic-beasts.com (onza.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000::11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058E08FC19 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miguel by onza.mythic-beasts.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROAfV-0006qx-Hh; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:06:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:06:29 +0000 From: Luis Henriques To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111109160629.GA25415@onza.mythic-beasts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Disc encryption during installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:06:31 -0000 Hi, I was wondering whether there is any work being done in order to provide support for (full) disk encryption during installation. I know this can be done by installing a minimal system, manually setup encryption and install. But it would be nice to have something working out-of-the-box... P.S.: please keep me on CC, I'm not on the list. Cheers, -- Luis Henriques From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 16:14:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740EF1065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vkushnir@bigmir.net) Received: from ex.volia.net (ex.volia.net [82.144.192.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1AF8FC14 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from em.volia.net ([82.144.192.9]) by ex.volia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ROA7N-0002Fk-JM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:31:13 +0200 Received: from enough.saddler.volia.net ([93.72.207.82] helo=kushnir1.kiev.ua) by em.volia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ROA7N-000Mmx-Dc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:31:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by kushnir1.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA9FVKb9037430 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:31:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vkushnir@bigmir.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:31:20 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Kushnir X-X-Sender: vkushnir@kushnir1.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Volia-Original-IP: 93.72.207.82 Subject: Custom compiler/{C,CXX,F}FLAGS and /etc/make.conf - how to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:14:26 -0000 Dear ALL, The subject says it all. I'm trying to push out of my box every ounce of performance, perhaps even with (yet experimental) path64 compiler. So my question is as simple as that: what is the precise spell to put in make.comf to get (while not disrupting the ports infrastructure!) -march=amdfam10 if compiler is lang/gcc46 and -march=barcelona for path64 (perhaps yet another flags as well if toolchain supports them)? TIA, Vladimir From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 16:22:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B38106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F68FC18 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (chomsky.torservers.net [77.247.181.162]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F95D5B02; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:48:17 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:22:04 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111107121418.GA6629@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: portupgrade -P does not 'su'? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:22:17 -0000 Hello. I'd like to install a port with 'portinstall -P' from a non-root user and it requires an obvious dependency I already have built to be reused. But portinstall doesn't seem to brace it into the 'su root -c': $ portinstall -vpP devel/p5-Test-Class [..] ---> Installing 'p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1' from a package ---> Installation of p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 started at: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:57:56 +0400 ---> Installing the new version via the package lib/perl5/5.14.1/man/man3/inc::latest.3.gz: Can't create 'lib/perl5/5.14.1/man/man3/inc::latest.3.gz': Permission denied [..] ** Command failed [exit code 2]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portinstall20111107-84470-1midf4x-0 /usr/bin/env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=0.3800_1 /usr/sbin/pkg_add -f /usr/ports/packages/All/p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1.tbz It does use to be all ok with 'pkg_delete ... make install' sequence though. Any clues? ps. Same goes here about copying the obsoleted shared libraries to /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 17:25:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93212106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438858FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACED1E9EC; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:25:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA9HPi6I004552; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:25:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:25:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-Id: <20111109182544.c807a82d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <20111109031024.fb4c617e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:25:46 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:59:48 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Same here. I've been "guilty" as well of neglecting to properly adjust > my console configuration. Sometimes "just works" in combination with lazyness beats all proper concepts of doing things. :-) > Doesn't using "LC_ALL" obviate the need to set any of the other LC_* > variables? At least, that's always been my understanding of it. I have to admit that I haven't fully understood everything in that relation, but it seems that the $LC_* (!ALL) can modify "subsets" of what $LC_ALL defines. Languages and character sets can be assigned independently (e. g. english program messages, but german file names properly displayed). > But, getting back to something you said earlier, what did you mean > exactly about the precedence of LANG vs. LC_*? There is, if I remember correctly, the idea that _if_ $LANG is set, $LC_* won't be considered at all, even if they are set. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/using-localization.html See 24.3.4.1.1.1 and 24.3.4.1.2. > Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little > misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as being a > single-byte representation for each character in the set, whereas > UTF-16, as the name implies, would be the "wide", 2-byte version. > Nonetheless, as I posted earlier in this thread, according to the info > in gucharmap, the representations of the umlauted "u" are just the > opposite of this: >=20 > UTF-8: 0xC3 0xBC > UTF-16: 0x00FC >=20 > Go figure, huh? :-) I think Robert did explain it very good: While UTF-16 is a "fixed width" (2 byte) representation, UTF-8 is "variable width" (1 byte _or_ two byte). > > But returning to the original question, I think Robert > > did explain it very well: There is no real consensus > > about what the different codings should mean. They > > were meant to unify the representation of a very large > > set of characters, but basically there are many inter- > > pretations now, and how they show up to the user depends > > on the font in use, _if_ it has this mapping or that, > > or none. >=20 > This seems rather unfortunate to me. You would think that, by now, > some "standard" character set might have emerged that would allow one > to use, at the very least, the "Western" characters (as opposed to > the "Eastern" or "Oriental" or "Asian", if you will) with a reasonable > expectation that others will see what was intended. Assumptions, wishes, conclusions and hopes do differ from reality. :-) For example, in October I had to assist working on a document containing german text and chinese symbols. Decision: We use UTF-8 so the chinese symbols can appear in the input. A name: Weng Tonghe [][][]. The brackets should symbolize the three characters for that name. They did show up properly in the editor, but on the printed page... Weng Tonghe [][]. What? Two? But there were three on input! As we found out, the "he" used in input was the wrong one (there are several "he"s), and the font used to render the text did not have that particular "he". When we found the correct one, finally three characters appeared, as intended and correct. This should show: You _never_ know where things are wrong when something is missing - settings, fonts, who knows. In relation to file names, this is not a problem of the file system as it will store any name you want, but if you can actually SEE or USE that file name - that's a completely different thing. > > Again a fine demonstration why file names should be > > limited to printable ASCII and no spaces if you want > > them to work everywhere. :-) >=20 > Well, for myself, personally, I'm a bit of a stickler for "language > authenticity", you might call it. Having studied both German and > French rather extensively in my younger days, I'm quite fond of both > languages, and rather keen on seeing them represented accurately (I > especially wince at the use of the plain, unaccented vowel followed by > an "e" in place of the umlaut, and to a lesser degree, the use of "ss" > in place of Esszett), which has caused me no small amount of confusion, > aggravation and frustration over the years, to be sure! :-) Make sure to call it "Eszett" ("Es" =3D S and "Zett" =3D Z). The teletyping conventions suggests to dissolve "=DF" to "sz", because it's easier to recombine "sz" to "=DF" because it's likely to be correct, whereas recombining "ss" to "=DF" is often wrong, as there are too many correct "ss" in texts. Example: Mi=DFwirtschaft -> Miszwirtschaft -> Mi=DFwirtschaft =3D=3D=3D> good. Messer -> Me=DFer =3D=3D=3D> wrong. In names (e. g. of towns): Sta=DFfurt (right) !=3D Stassfurt (wrong). Note that !("sz" <-> "=DF") in all cases, and !("ss" <-> "=DF") as well, as the rule states that only a non-truncatable "ss" is to be set as Eszett. There are only few "sz" that are "real 'sz'", typically in word gaps, e. g. Reiszange. :-) The "funny" things start when diacritic marks and other non-US-ASCII representable elements change the meaning of a word. In such cases, it's often justified to use the proper localized representation. However, this is also the point where problems may start if you're doing it wrong (which means: others do not conform to the language settings or fonts you're using). The (limited) US-ASCII set of characters is the only easy way to avoid that. It may not _always_ look pretty, but in worst cases, it works - and you can RELY on that. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 17:34:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF95106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811B98FC15 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89815295CC; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:34:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA9HY2V0004883; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:34:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:34:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: ajtiM Message-Id: <20111109183402.55c0efdb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201111090528.44241.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201111081533.01533.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20111109014305.f35254f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <201111090528.44241.lumiwa@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: operapluginwraper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:34:04 -0000 On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:28:43 -0600, ajtiM wrote: > But as I nderstand the Opera should be FreeBSD native. I didn't installed > Linux version. And I don't have flash plugin installed either. BTW I use > gnash. I'm also using the native BSD version of Opera, but with the following set of packages and wrappers: opera-11.50 opera-linuxplugins-11.50 nspluginwrapper-1.4.4 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 This was mainly because of following the handbook. So I think the dependency to the Linux /proc comes from the "Flash" plugin (Linux). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 17:45:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C021065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF60C8FC1E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so2170708bkb.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:45:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.194 with SMTP id g2mr2545545bkt.46.1320860734008; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.38.195 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:45:33 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.27] In-Reply-To: <201111090504.pA954Pod066887@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> <201111090504.pA954Pod066887@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:45:33 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:45:36 -0000 It's worth noting, too, that most of the non-Unicode encoding systems predate the Internet. When computers weren't really talking to each other, there was no real emphasis on interoperability, and every OS tended to come up with their own way of encoding foreign languages. Languages like French, German, and English generally have it easy -- almost everything ended up being Latin1 (aka ISO 8859-1). For other languages it can be much more complicated. There are at least three commonly used encoding systems for Chinese. Unicode is gradually winning, but you'll still find, for example, a lot of Chinese documents in GB2312 and Big5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 18:12:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318B01065670 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (mail1.sourcehosting.net [74.205.51.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B008FC08 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=imac.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ROCda-000Gzt-KE; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:12:44 -0500 Received: from imac.entropy.prv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imac.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CEEBC70CF; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4EBAC298.4000303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:12:40 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luis Henriques References: <20111109160629.GA25415@onza.mythic-beasts.com> In-Reply-To: <20111109160629.GA25415@onza.mythic-beasts.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disc encryption during installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:12:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/9/11 11:06 AM, Luis Henriques wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering whether there is any work being done in order to provide > support for (full) disk encryption during installation. I know this can > be done by installing a minimal system, manually setup encryption and > install. But it would be nice to have something working out-of-the-box... > > P.S.: please keep me on CC, I'm not on the list. > > Cheers, > -- > Luis Henriques Hi Luis, If you install FreeBSD with the PC-BSD installer, you can select the disk encryption option. See here for more information: http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/Disk_Encryption Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk66wpgACgkQ0sRouByUApDB7gCgmbkDv7urHmYLqq2+6B3d1gvy ubAAoIm/hUU4quW64O482P9/xPTZ+303 =zkVY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 18:16:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3CE1065696 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A5E8FC28 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EB13D0C0; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:15:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA9IFvHS005025; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:15:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:15:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Samuel Magnusson Message-Id: <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:16:00 -0000 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:06:37 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: > Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will override > HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons that formerly > were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? I hope not! :-) As far as I understood the _current_ mechanism, the precedence is 1st xorg.conf, 2nd XML stuff, 3rd autodetect. You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this has worked for many years to centralize X configuration. You have X with HAL and DBUS, but don't want to use it? Reflect this choice in xorg.conf and continue with previous settings. You have X with HAL and DBUS, but some things aren't detected properly? Dive into the fun of XML and enter your settings in the appropriate files, whichever they currently may be. :-) There _are_ things that cannot be autodetected, and HAL needs to be configured to "notice" a localization "deviation" from the standard, which is en_US. That's what you are going to use the XML stuff for. In case you're _not_ using HAL with X, you have to make the settings in xorg.conf, like this: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "de" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" EndSection Note that putting the "Zap key" into this file seems to be more comfortable than putting it into some obscure XML files scattered across the file system. And completely independent from all those options, you still can _always_ use [ -f ~/.xmodmaprc ] && xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc in your X initialization file (usually ~/.xinitrc). This does _not_ say anything about what might become current when HAL is fully out of support (as it is already considered deprecated in Linux). > And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in the > first place, so there was something going wrong there? Can you tell me _how_ anything in software is supposed to know what characters are printed on the key caps of the keyboard? I'm not sure keyboard vendors do code localization variants into their USB identification numbers... This makes me assume the following: It's not possible to determine the localized layout of a keyboard. Just imagine I pop the german keycaps from my IBM model M keyboard and put a set of swedish caps on, would the system notice that change? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 18:20:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E5106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD0E8FC17 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729473D2F3; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:19:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pA9IJwqH005045; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:19:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:19:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Samuel Magnusson Message-Id: <20111109191958.84ebbdc7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EBA6FE0.5040308@bredband.net> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <4EBA6FE0.5040308@bredband.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:20:31 -0000 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: > This works for me: > X :0 -terminate > Ctrl-Alt-F1 > xterm -display :0 > Ctrl-Alt-F9 > exit xterm.. which brings me back to the first console. > > But this doesn't work: > X :0 -terminate vt4 > Ctrl-Alt-F1 (doesn't respond) > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (doesn't respond) Do you have ``Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"'' in xorg.conf? > Any clue why? Is my command "X :0 vt4" wrong or not supposed to work? What is the correct notation for the terminal device to start it on? Maybe ttyv4 (as in /etc/ttys)? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 19:22:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A561065675; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrix@camandro.org) Received: from balrog.mythic-beasts.com (balrog.mythic-beasts.com [93.93.130.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054068FC13; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [2.98.244.5] (helo=hades) by balrog.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RODLE-00040y-CP; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:57:44 +0000 Received: from miguel by hades with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RODHG-0000eV-13; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:53:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:53:37 +0000 From: Luis Henriques To: Greg Larkin Message-ID: <20111109185337.GA2490@hades> References: <20111109160629.GA25415@onza.mythic-beasts.com> <4EBAC298.4000303@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EBAC298.4000303@FreeBSD.org> X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: -13 X-Mythic-Debug: Threshold = On = X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disc encryption during installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:22:18 -0000 Hi Greg, On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 01:12:40PM -0500, Greg Larkin wrote: > Hi Luis, > > If you install FreeBSD with the PC-BSD installer, you can select the > disk encryption option. See here for more information: > http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/Disk_Encryption Thanks a lot for your reply. I am not quite familiar with PC-BSD and I was not aware it had this built-in. Unfortunately, I am not actually targetting x86 platforms, which means that PC-BSD is not an option. Cheers, -- Luis Henriques From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 19:31:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57953106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F68B8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2011 14:02:20 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BKC37784; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:02:19 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2011 14:02:18 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:02:07 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: DBUS + kvm breaks X server (was: X server and xinit works excellent....almost.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:31:06 -0000 Since this has been mentioned, I though I'd take the opportunity ... Polytropon writes: > You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this > has worked for many years to centralize X configuration. > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but don't want to use it? Reflect > this choice in xorg.conf and continue with previous settings. > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but some things aren't detected > properly? Dive into the fun of XML and enter your settings in > the appropriate files, whichever they currently may be. :-) I have two systems - one Windows, one FreeBSD - that share monitor, keyboard, and mouse via a kvm. FreeBSD had both HAL and DBUS installed and activated in rc.conf. Scenario: I'm working on the FreeBSD system, and switch to the WIndows system (push the button on the kvm) everything's fine. But when I switch back, I an now sitting at the Xdm prompt; I'm guessing this means X has crashed. I experimented a little and discovered if I disable DBUS after initial boot, this no longer happens. (It makes some other things unhappy, but I can live with that.) Anyone have anyideas what might be happening and how to unbreak this? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 19:56:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C14D106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA588FC0A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA9Jusa3081159; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:56:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA9JusPp081156; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:56:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:56:54 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:56:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DBUS + kvm breaks X server (was: X server and xinit works excellent....almost.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:56:56 -0000 On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Robert Huff wrote: > I have two systems - one Windows, one FreeBSD - that share > monitor, keyboard, and mouse via a kvm. FreeBSD had both HAL and > DBUS installed and activated in rc.conf. > Scenario: I'm working on the FreeBSD system, and switch to the > WIndows system (push the button on the kvm) everything's fine. > But when I switch back, I an now sitting at the Xdm prompt; I'm > guessing this means X has crashed. > I experimented a little and discovered if I disable DBUS after > initial boot, this no longer happens. (It makes some other things > unhappy, but I can live with that.) > Anyone have anyideas what might be happening and how to unbreak > this? Are the keyboard and mouse USB devices? A KVM should not disconnect them on switching, but maybe it does. Try it without HAL by adding Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to ServerLayout in xorg.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 20:03:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1711065675 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D918FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROEMW-0005x4-Ig for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:03:08 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:03:08 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:03:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:02:55 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 65 Message-ID: <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:38tKJ2Kq0Zt1LnyZx0c8ck1LGVY= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:03:10 -0000 Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100): > Which made me remember that I had the exact same > problem with my swedish keyboardmappings the very first time I started > X. I just couldn't get it to work and nearly gave up before I tried > the setxkbmap method and put them into .xinitrc, which saved me. > Although I had put the exact same "rules" and "layout" options in > xorg.conf and double checked the format and spelling hundreds of > times. The problem was still there now: when I commented it out in > .xinitrc I got the US keyboard in xterm in spite of the xorg.conf > settings. XKB is a bit of a mystery compared to good old xmodmap. A while ago I tried to understand it. The result is a small guide on how you can use XKB to define your own keyboard mapping and load it without having to be root. I used my own version of a Swedish keyboard on a Happy Hacking Keyboard as an example: http://hack.org/mc/writings/xkb.html > The thing that really made it was the Option "AutoAddDevice" "off", > which I had failed to notice. Yes, this is really important, especially if you don't want that dreadful HAL on your system. Considering that the default is on and HAL isn't a dependency for the X server, many users were surprised when they didn't have any working mouse nor keyboard! I don't use HAL and it seems even the X.org project has moved away from HAL even if such modern X.org X servers are not yet in ports. > It doesn't warn that if it is NOT disabled the InputDevice sections > won't work at all. And "no devices will be added" sounds like a bad > thing, so you rather leave this option enabled... Perhaps you can file a Problem Report (PR) with a suggested text? I suggest you add the text to the handbook since I assume the X.org project won't touch manual pages for the ancient X servers we use in FreeBSD. > Now I'm curious: > > Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will > override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons > that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? What new style XML method? AFAIK the more modern X.org X servers uses the Linux udev instead of HAL. Those servers are not yet available on FreeBSD but presumably it would be possible to use devd for the same purpose. > And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in > the first place, so there was something going wrong there? How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such information is sent through USB or PS/2 when you attach a keyboard. This is up to your own language settings, either with what you have entered in the form of setxkbmap or xkbcomp in your .xinitrc/.xsession or your settings in the desktop environment of your choice. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 20:23:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C445106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC8D8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so2997435ggn.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.53.21 with SMTP id b21mr1874536ana.17.1320870182914; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm16787650ann.15.2011.11.09.12.23.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SdzTc2Cz6z2CG5c for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:23:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:22:59 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111109152259.00dc9757@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: DBUS + kvm breaks X server (was: X server and xinit works excellent....almost.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:23:04 -0000 On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:02:07 -0500 Robert Huff articulated: > > Since this has been mentioned, I though I'd take the > opportunity ... > > Polytropon writes: > > > You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this > > has worked for many years to centralize X configuration. > > > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but don't want to use it? Reflect > > this choice in xorg.conf and continue with previous settings. > > > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but some things aren't detected > > properly? Dive into the fun of XML and enter your settings in > > the appropriate files, whichever they currently may be. :-) > > I have two systems - one Windows, one FreeBSD - that share > monitor, keyboard, and mouse via a kvm. FreeBSD had both HAL and > DBUS installed and activated in rc.conf. > Scenario: I'm working on the FreeBSD system, and switch to the > WIndows system (push the button on the kvm) everything's fine. > But when I switch back, I an now sitting at the Xdm prompt; > I'm guessing this means X has crashed. > I experimented a little and discovered if I disable DBUS after > initial boot, this no longer happens. (It makes some other things > unhappy, but I can live with that.) > Anyone have anyideas what might be happening and how to > unbreak this? I have virtually the same setup. A wireless keyboard/mouse that transmits to a USB device. The Windows systems activates virtually instantaneously; however, the FreeBSD system hangs for five seconds or more before it becomes responsive. Other than that, I have not noticed any problems (yet). Both HAL and DBUS are activated via the rc.conf file and I have not made any special modifications to the system config files. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 20:52:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF21106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (smtprelay-h21.telenor.se [195.54.99.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77E98FC08 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC7AD02E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:52:30 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao4gABvnuk5V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMN4lEngaCcgEBAQE3giQBAQEBAgE4NAELBgsLGAkWDwkDAgECARsWFBMIAQEVh2m4Bol/BKYY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,485,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="510462881" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2011 21:52:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBAE800.6040807@bredband.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:52:16 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:52:32 -0000 Polytropon wrote 2011-11-09 19:15: > On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:06:37 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: >> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will override >> HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons that formerly >> were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? > I hope not! :-) > > As far as I understood the _current_ mechanism, the precedence > is 1st xorg.conf, 2nd XML stuff, 3rd autodetect. > > You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this > has worked for many years to centralize X configuration. > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but don't want to use it? Reflect > this choice in xorg.conf and continue with previous settings. > > You have X with HAL and DBUS, but some things aren't detected > properly? Dive into the fun of XML and enter your settings in > the appropriate files, whichever they currently may be. :-) > > There _are_ things that cannot be autodetected, and HAL needs > to be configured to "notice" a localization "deviation" from > the standard, which is en_US. That's what you are going to use > the XML stuff for. I like that precedence list, because the old way seems much clearer and simpler to me. If autodetection only does half the detecting and then lays the burden of a new and more complicated manual configuration, then not much is gained. And why on earth could they not just have left what needed to be manually configured in the xorg.conf and make it override the HAL default mode? That would be the logical and easy way, in my inexperienced opinion. So as I understand it from my mistakes this precedence list is only true under certain circumstances, and I fell in a nice little devilish newbie-trap. :) When I first installed Xorg I began by following the handbook, which means that I unwittingly did this to my poor rc.conf: hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" That meant that I would HAVE to go into the XML-stuff (to get swedish keys) , because I could configure the InputDevice section until blue in my face (which I also did), and still nothing would happen witht the keyboard layout. Because with HAL and DBUS enabled this InputDevice section is bypassed unless I also specify Option "AutoAddDevices" "false". Which I understand gives the same result as not enabling HAL and DBUS in the first place. Its just an unnecessary circle, first enabling, then disabling. I have to give cred to the FreeBSD handbook because it is actually quite correct and clear on this point (as no other text I found was) and tells what to do if wanting to do it the old way. But for some reason that I cannot recall now, I didn't understand it right away and strayed away from the handbook to among other things the X.org website and the man pages and other introductory books, which doesn't warn about this at all. It just assumes that xorg.conf sections works as usual. But it didn't to my hald-enabled system. I never returned to the handbook, because I stumbled on the working method with setxkbmap which did override the HAL default layout. I left it as a big question mark to maybe get back to it later. When I started this thread I had no idea that my problem with zap could be related to the same keyboard problem I had encountered earlier. ...so I'm learning. :) > Can you tell me _how_ anything in software is supposed to > know what characters are printed on the key caps of the > keyboard? I'm not sure keyboard vendors do code localization > variants into their USB identification numbers... > No I can't. :) I realized the unprobability of this when hitting the send button. And your comment is also a good argument for keeping the simpler keyboard configuration in xorg.conf, isn't it? Couldn't autodetection of the keyboard work together with xorg.conf just like when giving the command "X -configure" and /root/xorg.config.new is created? For example that detected my monitor, my graphics card and my installed drivers, and it put those as entrys in the file so it is easy to edit and add options if necessary. HAL could just put "pc105" into the normal InputDevice section and let me fill in the Layout... What is there more than "pc105" to autodetect then that I would need HAL to make my life easier? I guess these are decisions to be made by X.org though, and not by me.. I just wonder. :) Anyway, can you stand one more "just curious"-question from me? When I used the vesa and nouveau drivers they were automatically kldloaded when the X server read the xorg.conf file. But the nVidia driver I have to kldload manually because otherwise the X server doesn't find it. Of course I will put it in loader.conf, but is it normal? Should it not be loaded authomatically as the others? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 21:10:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7E6106564A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7198FC0A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUE0010IW58R810@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-09_04:2011-11-09, 2011-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111090202 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:10:20 -0800 Message-id: <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> To: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:10:35 -0000 Hi-- On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote: >> And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in >> the first place, so there was something going wrong there? > > How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such > information is sent through USB or PS/2 when you attach a keyboard. True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product ID can identify different keyboard types and let you infer the country. For example, see: http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids At the moment, I happen to be using a: Apple Pro Keyboard: Product ID: 0x020b Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Inc.) Version: 4.20 Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric Location ID: 0x3d111300 / 6 Current Available (mA): 250 Current Required (mA): 50 ...and this database would correctly let the system know that I'm using US layout: 020b Pro Keyboard [Mitsumi, A1048/US layout] If you figure out that a Logitech Tangentbord K120 (or an Apple MC184S) is connected, then you've got a Swiss keyboard, and so forth. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 21:52:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07691065674 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juanestrod@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659FB8FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwg14 with SMTP id 14so862875wwg.31 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:52:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6n+t+i1eHlAjYNFXr2EI6+GSMind1RefskuxO5hdk1M=; b=twiHdj2dC5J6RFC9yXgk5nRcxf0PB9FVxADqL1gOFZfF4u/1ozitTGSEiQY5TsEyuD 41uLEJt3qBn53OanW4Fkuh0jW4nOMBGtnzYxTQpzmhGgZkGKOvZadB1kIlZLCYR0hC0A o9eCgflHU/NRLEgkFNZmaRGy+3J82ZP0B+nro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.75.204 with SMTP id e12mr4778771wiw.61.1320873933407; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.8.233 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:25:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:25:33 -0300 Message-ID: From: Juan Rodriguez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:06:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Problems with ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:52:11 -0000 Hi!!.. I read your post on http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-August/232945.html, and I have a similar problem. I my case I try to set and unset the RTS pin of the serial port, I use the ioctl() function with the TIOCMGET and TIOCMGET, the program works very well when I use the serial port (COM1) but when I use a USB<->COM (like you) converter the ioctl() function return me a fail, the error is "Invalid Argument". I need some solution or if you can recommend me any page or put me in contact with any other person. Any help will be very useful. My name is Juan Rodriguez and I'm from Paraguay. Thanks!!. P.S.: Sorry my English is not very good. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 23:49:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A03106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CB78FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph5.telenor.se (iph5.telenor.se [195.54.127.136]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F6CD7E5 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:11 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQeALQQu05V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMOKo8AQEBATeCJAEBAQECAXgGCwshFg8JAwIBAgEbFgYBDRMGAgEBh363eol/BKYY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,486,1315173600"; d="scan'208,217";a="69125527" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2011 00:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> In-Reply-To: <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:49:13 -0000 Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02: > Samuel Magnusson, 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100): >> Now I'm curious: >> >> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will >> override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons >> that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? > What new style XML method? > > AFAIK the more modern X.org X servers uses the Linux udev instead of > HAL. Those servers are not yet available on FreeBSD but presumably it > would be possible to use devd for the same purpose. I'm referring to what Polytropon said about all the "new" stuff required by X. As I understood him he was talking about the XML-files to give directions to HAL, and he used quotes so I think he meant "supposedly new", or just newer than the classic configuration file but already the "old new", as he seem to agree with you that HAL is on it's way out and should be avoided if possible. > /Perhaps you can file a Problem Report (PR) with a suggested text? > I suggest you add the text to the handbook since /I /assume the X.org project > won't touch manual pages for the ancient X servers we use in FreeBSD. / As I understand you, the man-pages from Xorg that are in FreeBSD are not allowed to be altered unless the Xorg project do it themselves, and they won't do it because they have other more current things to do than updating deprecated documents? If so, maybe if just asked they would allow some modifications be done to it? Anyway, I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD X server was "ancient" and different from any other. :) But I'm a rookie so far.. I was actually thinking when struggling with this that I should learn this X keyboard configuration thoroughly and try to write a beginners tutorial, fail-safe and step by step to help avoiding these traps as I would know whats difficult to understand for a beginner. But I will have to learn a bit more first in that case so I'm not just easy to understand but also correct. I'll study your guide, thanks for the link! Also a good beginners tutorial on the fonts would be good, because as I understand it there is also an "old" and a "new" way with the core fonts and the font server, some methods belonging to one and some to the other. And migrating from Windows and Mac might be discouraging if there isn't a working desktop with visible text at least within an hour or two after installation. :) But if I do produce something, where should I send the PR and text? Cheers /Samuel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 00:09:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0088106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenthe@comcast.net) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751438FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v8B31h0071ap0As5DBw9Lo; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:56:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.42.13.245]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vBw81h01y5HDiR83iBw9yR; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:56:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4EBB1317.5060101@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:56:07 -0500 From: Jason Lenthe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110815 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:09:24 -0000 On 11/09/11 05:30, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > 'Hi all, > I'm trying to move a script from a linux box to a freebsd box. > All going well as its just a bash script and bash is bash, however there > is one line I'm unable to use directly, as bsd sed (correctly according > to SUS at least, I believe[1]) appends a newline when writing to > standard out, gnu sed doesnt. example > BSD > [backup@banshee ~]$ echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed -n > 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/gp' > /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5 > [backup@banshee ~]$ > > LINUX > > [backup@amber ~]$ echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed > 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/g' > /boot:7:1:5;/:7:1:5;/var:7:1:5[backup@amber ~]$ > > is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? > You could also just lop off the newline with tr -d '\n': echo -n "/boot:7:1:5; /:7:1:5; /var:7:1:5" | sed -n 's/[[:space:]]*;[[:space:]]*/;/gp' | tr -d '\n' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 00:30:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCDF1065672 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCCF8FC17 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAF61E843; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:30:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pAA0Uff2006022; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:30:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:30:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Samuel Magnusson Message-Id: <20111110013041.ec3ef2e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:30:44 -0000 On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: > Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02: > > Samuel Magnusson, 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100): > >> Now I'm curious: > >> > >> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will > >> override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons > >> that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? > > What new style XML method? > > > > AFAIK the more modern X.org X servers uses the Linux udev instead of > > HAL. Those servers are not yet available on FreeBSD but presumably it > > would be possible to use devd for the same purpose. > I'm referring to what Polytropon said about all the "new" stuff required > by X. As I understood him he was talking about the XML-files to give > directions to HAL, and he used quotes so I think he meant "supposedly > new", or just newer than the classic configuration file but already the > "old new", as he seem to agree with you that HAL is on it's way out and > should be avoided if possible. Depends. If you are using a normal US keyboard and don't have any "deviant" needs, HAL autodetection of devices should work fine. And as it is X's default configuration, you could even omit xorg.conf if X detects your GPU and display properly. The problems start when you do something "not-normal". In such cases, it seems that you better leave HAL and DBUS out of your system, if you don't see any use for them. In that case, the "old-fashioned" configuration methods should do what you want: centralized settings for X in xorg.conf. Setup once, then use. > Anyway, I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD X server was "ancient" and > different from any other. :) There is some delay in porting X's new features from Linux to FreeBSD. Linux is the platform that mostly drives that development. Some parts used by X and by desktop environments are specific to Linux. HAL was initally meant to be a kind of "plugin system" to get independent from the OS, but it didn't get that far. Now as it (almost?) works on FreeBSD, it's already deprecated by new Linux concepts such as udev, upower and other us. Maybe they become available as interfaces on FreeBSD too, but my fear is... as soon as they are usable, there's already something else obsoleting them right away. :-( Those Linux developments often serve functionalities that have been present in FreeBSD for many years. One of the often cited things is automounting. FreeBSD's automounter amd, in combination with devd, can already automount things independently from desktop environments. It could do that already 5 years ago. This setup can also handle webcams and USB mass storage. The question is: How to interface that with a desktop environment? Those IDE's development is also mainly driven on Linux. An example is Xfce which lost some functionality on FreeBSD because those parts have been "rewritten" with Linux-only "back-ends" in mind. Maybe other things will follow, maybe Gnome 3? Who knows... > And migrating from Windows and Mac might be > discouraging if there isn't a working desktop with visible text at least > within an hour or two after installation. :) No problem in that, see FreeSBIE - all what you said, plus you don't need to install anything. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 00:52:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B6106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968278FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id pAA0FVbE091838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id pAA0FVLa091837; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10921; Wed, 9 Nov 11 16:00:24 PST Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:00:17 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: vince@unsane.co.uk Message-Id: <4ebb7681.kE6yc4aqdzf2C9LV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:52:20 -0000 Vincent Hoffman wrote: > bsd sed (correctly according to SUS at least, I believe[1]) > appends a newline when writing to standard out, gnu sed doesnt. The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from -- Tanenbaum > is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? As long as it is OK to remove _all_ newlines -- which seems to be the case here -- you could pipe the output through tr -d '\012' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 01:01:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B361065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490388FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0141E9FE; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:01:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pAA11NLA006202; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:01:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:01:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <20111110020123.778d356f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:01:25 -0000 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:10:20 -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi-- > > On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote: > >> And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in > >> the first place, so there was something going wrong there? > > > > How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such > > information is sent through USB or PS/2 when you attach a keyboard. > > True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product > ID can identify different keyboard types and let you infer the > country. "Can" - I think it's not standard to do so. > For example, see: > > http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids Just checked, and the exception is right here: I'm using a Sun USB keyboard + mouse, 0x0430 = Sun Microsystems, Inc. is correct, but 0x100e = 24.1" LCD Monitor v4 / FID-638 Mouse seems to be nonsense. It's a mouse, _infront_ of a 24" monitor, but that's an EIZO CRT. :-) In this regards, it's also strange how FreeBSD could "forget" USB information it once had. On my old 5.x system, I got dmesg lines like that: ukbd0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 USB keyboard, rev 1.00/1.02, addr 3, iclass 3/1 ums0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 USB mouse, rev 1.00/1.02, addr 2, iclass 3/1 But since 7.0 (6.0 hasn't been introduced to my home system), I get ukbd0: on uhub1 ums0: on uhub1 Note that the corresponding file in the source tree containing the USB devices still has the proper data! And I haven't changed things on hardware side. But maybe this is because the USB subsystem has had many changes... Now that I have a type 7 keyboard, the USB information still is not useful: % usbconfig -u 1 -a 3 dump_info ugen1.3: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON % usbconfig -u 1 -a 2 dump_info ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE % dmesg | grep "^u[km]" ukbd1: on usbus1 ums0: on usbus1 ums0: 3 buttons and [XY] coordinates ID=0 You can also see that dmesg logs different data (0x100e vs. 0x0100). > At the moment, I happen to be using a: > > Apple Pro Keyboard: > Product ID: 0x020b > Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Inc.) > Version: 4.20 > Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec > Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric > Location ID: 0x3d111300 / 6 > Current Available (mA): 250 > Current Required (mA): 50 > > ...and this database would correctly let the system know > that I'm using US layout: > > 020b Pro Keyboard [Mitsumi, A1048/US layout] > > If you figure out that a Logitech Tangentbord K120 (or an Apple > MC184S) is connected, then you've got a Swiss keyboard, and so > forth. This is fine as long as you're going to keep that language settings. However, there are users who need a non-US language on a US keyboard layout - or vice versa. In such a case, the autodetection doesn't help. Your example with Apple hardware corresponds to my experience. I also have an older Mac keyboard which works fine on FreeBSD, including proper device identification. My assumption still is: Not _every_ keyboard manufacturer does code the layout into the USB identification. If you tell me I'm wrong with this assumption, I'll be happy. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 01:02:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F8E1065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B735E8FC19 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph5.telenor.se (iph5.telenor.se [195.54.127.136]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7488AD3A2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:02:34 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIvADwiu05V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMOIlEkSeNIIIxAQEBATeCJAEBAQECAThAEQsYCQ0BBgIPCQMCAQIBGxYUEwgBAYd+t3yDUYMYAYMVBKYY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,486,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="69136516" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2011 02:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBB22BD.8090001@bredband.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:02:53 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <4EBA6FE0.5040308@bredband.net> <20111109191958.84ebbdc7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111109191958.84ebbdc7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:02:36 -0000 Polytropon wrote 2011-11-09 19:19: > On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: >> This works for me: >> X :0 -terminate >> Ctrl-Alt-F1 >> xterm -display :0 >> Ctrl-Alt-F9 >> exit xterm.. which brings me back to the first console. >> >> But this doesn't work: >> X :0 -terminate vt4 >> Ctrl-Alt-F1 (doesn't respond) >> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (doesn't respond) > Do you have ``Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"'' in xorg.conf? > No I haven't, so I tried it now for completeness sake. But there was no difference. It shouldn't be needed, and VTSwitching works just fine as long as I don't try to choose a virtual terminal to start it in. I tried putting the option there and it is no difference, the computer hangs on the display, and when viewing sockstat -4 from the remote login I could see an awful lot of dbus and hal activity. Since those 'fellas' were the cause of so many of my woes I disenabled them :) , rebooted and tried again. At first no difference except that when I killed the server I was no longer stuck with the black screen and visually returned to tty0. I was not given back the console though and the login was still hanged. >> Any clue why? Is my command "X :0 vt4" wrong or not supposed to work? > What is the correct notation for the terminal device to start > it on? Maybe ttyv4 (as in /etc/ttys)? > Nope. Even if I no longer trust the Xorg man page to 100%, it clearly states vtXX as the notation to use for the option. And when viewing the log it clearly says that it start up the server in vt4 and it doesn't protest but goes on a good while before it stops. Interesting is that it stops without any error message. It is right after reading the keyboardsettings from xorg.conf, the first informational line after that: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Keyboard0" (type: KEYBOARD) Then the file ends. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 01:03:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9383E106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BBC8FC1D for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph1.telenor.se (iph1.telenor.se [195.54.127.132]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943BBD3A2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:03:23 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIvABAiu05V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMOIlEkSeNIIIxAQEBATeCJAEBAQEDODULEQsYCRQCDwkDAgECARsWBgENEwgBAb92iX8Ephg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,486,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="511843361" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2011 02:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBB22EE.8090608@bredband.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:03:42 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> <20111110013041.ec3ef2e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111110013041.ec3ef2e4.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:03:24 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2011-11-10 01:30: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote: >> And migrating from Windows and Mac might be >> discouraging if there isn't a working desktop with visible text at least >> within an hour or two after installation. :) > No problem in that, see FreeSBIE - all what you said, > plus you don't need to install anything. :-) > Haha, ok, then its just me that wanted to NOT install a readybuildt desktop, just for learning more about the architechture by trying to install everything manually. I'll have to suffer the consequences of my own decisions... without complaining, which I am not by the way. Thanks for the overview! (And never mind the autoloading question, i found it out in the logfile. Nothing important just a wrong searchpath it seemed. I also succeeded with the vtXX option several times. It was after disabling hal and dbus, but I'm not sure it's because of that, as now it does not function again. It seems unstable at least. But I don't know if I care that much anyway.. ) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 01:35:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CC8106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout021.mac.com (asmtpout021.mac.com [17.148.16.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596198FC15 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:35:16 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp021.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUF00G898ER8I10@asmtp021.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:35:16 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-09_04:2011-11-09, 2011-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111090267 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20111110020123.778d356f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:35:14 -0800 Message-id: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <20111110020123.778d356f.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:35:21 -0000 On Nov 9, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: > In this regards, it's also strange how FreeBSD could "forget" > USB information it once had. > > On my old 5.x system, I got dmesg lines like that: > > ukbd0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 USB keyboard, > rev 1.00/1.02, addr 3, iclass 3/1 > ums0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 USB mouse, > rev 1.00/1.02, addr 2, iclass 3/1 A USB standard device descriptor includes iManufacturer and iProduct fields, which are likely the source of the strings displayed above. I guess the new USB stack doesn't bother to display them. > Now that I have a type 7 keyboard, the USB information still > is not useful: > > % usbconfig -u 1 -a 3 dump_info > ugen1.3: at usbus1, > cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON > % usbconfig -u 1 -a 2 dump_info > ugen1.2: at usbus1, > cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE > > % dmesg | grep "^u[km]" > ukbd1: class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.05, addr 3> on usbus1 > ums0: class 0/0, rev 1.00/1.02, addr 4> on usbus1 > ums0: 3 buttons and [XY] coordinates ID=0 > > You can also see that dmesg logs different data (0x100e vs. 0x0100). The 0x0100 is for the mouse; the 0x100e is probably a USB hub, perhaps within the keyboard if the mouse attaches to the keyboard, although the database suggests it was a USB hub within a monitor. >> If you figure out that a Logitech Tangentbord K120 (or an Apple >> MC184S) is connected, then you've got a Swiss keyboard, and so >> forth. > > This is fine as long as you're going to keep that language > settings. However, there are users who need a non-US language > on a US keyboard layout - or vice versa. In such a case, the > autodetection doesn't help. The idea is that autodetection provides a suggested default, at least if it can identify a country for the input devices which are connected to the system. But users should be able to set up their own language preferences, which might be different from the system default and from other user's settings. > Your example with Apple hardware corresponds to my experience. > I also have an older Mac keyboard which works fine on FreeBSD, > including proper device identification. > > My assumption still is: Not _every_ keyboard manufacturer does > code the layout into the USB identification. If you tell me I'm > wrong with this assumption, I'll be happy. :-) Folks are supposed to use a different product ID for different devices, so you can uniquely identify them. I can't promise that every vendor handles this perfectly, any more than folks always ensured that PCI ids uniquely identified a specific hardware version, but one should blame the vendor for being brain-damaged in such cases; it isn't a fault of the USB standard.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 07:03:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB18F106566C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Received: from Elmer.dco.penx.com (elmer.dco.penx.com [174.46.214.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808BD8FC08 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Elmer.dco.penx.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAA734F8012843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:03:04 -0700 (MST) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: dennisg@Elmer.dco.penx.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RELENG_8 on AMX FX 8150? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:03:07 -0000 Does anyone know if this works? I have had one kernel trap and a make buildworld fails with this: cc -O2 -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libdwarf -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libdwarf/dwarf_errmsg.c cc: Internal error: Illegal instruction: 4 (program cc1) Please submit a full bug report. See for instructions. I also have an error when trying to build gettext-0.18.1.1.tar.gz. It could be I have something corrupt, a bad disk, or whatever but it isn't obvious and I'm wondering whether anyone is working with that CPU. bd1# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. 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FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Fri Oct 28 22:47:38 PDT 2011 root@:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/WORKHORSE amd64 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor (3616.17-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x600f12 Family = 15 Model = 1 Stepping = 2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x1698220b AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x1c9bfff,> TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 12884901888 (12288 MB) avail memory = 12385927168 (11812 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 8 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 5 cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 6 cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 7 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, cfca0000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 cpu4: on acpi0 cpu5: on acpi0 cpu6: on acpi0 cpu7: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 19 at device 3.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 mps0: port 0xee00-0xeeff mem 0xfddfc000-0xfddfffff,0xfdd80000-0xfddbffff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci1 mps0: Firmware: 07.00.00.00 mps0: IOCCapabilities: 185c mps0: [ITHREAD] pcib2: irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 em0: port 0xdf00-0xdf1f mem 0xfdbc0000-0xfdbdffff,0xfdb00000-0xfdb7ffff,0xfdbfc000-0xfdbfffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2 em0: Using MSIX interrupts with 3 vectors em0: [ITHREAD] em0: [ITHREAD] em0: [ITHREAD] em0: Ethernet address: 00:1b:21:c5:f0:6c pcib3: irq 17 at device 9.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pci3: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) pcib4: irq 16 at device 12.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 mps1: port 0xbe00-0xbeff mem 0xfd1fc000-0xfd1fffff,0xfd180000-0xfd1bffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 mps1: Firmware: 10.00.02.00 mps1: IOCCapabilities: 1285c mps1: [ITHREAD] pcib5: irq 17 at device 13.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 vgapci0: port 0xae00-0xaeff mem 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xfdec0000-0xfdedffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci5 pci5: at device 0.1 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0xff00-0xff07,0xfe00-0xfe03,0xfd00-0xfd07,0xfc00-0xfc03,0xfb00-0xfb0f mem 0xfdfff000-0xfdfff3ff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI v1.20 controller with 6 6Gbps ports, PM supported ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] ata6: on atapci0 ata6: [ITHREAD] ata7: on atapci0 ata7: [ITHREAD] ohci0: mem 0xfdffe000-0xfdffefff irq 18 at device 18.0 on pci0 ohci0: [ITHREAD] usbus0: on ohci0 ehci0: mem 0xfdffd000-0xfdffd0ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 ehci0: [ITHREAD] usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1: on ehci0 ohci1: mem 0xfdffc000-0xfdffcfff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 ohci1: [ITHREAD] usbus2: on ohci1 ehci1: mem 0xfdffb000-0xfdffb0ff irq 17 at device 19.2 on pci0 ehci1: [ITHREAD] usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3: on ehci1 pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib6: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci6: on pcib6 ohci2: mem 0xfdffa000-0xfdffafff irq 18 at device 20.5 on pci0 ohci2: [ITHREAD] usbus4: on ohci2 pcib7: at device 21.0 on pci0 pci7: on pcib7 re0: port 0x8e00-0x8eff mem 0xfd4ff000-0xfd4fffff,0xfd4f8000-0xfd4fbfff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci7 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: Chip rev. 0x2c800000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00000000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Ethernet address: 50:e5:49:45:54:46 re0: [ITHREAD] pcib8: at device 21.1 on pci0 pci8: on pcib8 pci8: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) ohci3: mem 0xfdff9000-0xfdff9fff irq 18 at device 22.0 on pci0 ohci3: [ITHREAD] usbus5: on ohci3 ehci2: mem 0xfdff8000-0xfdff80ff irq 17 at device 22.2 on pci0 ehci2: [ITHREAD] usbus6: EHCI version 1.0 usbus6: on ehci2 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x73 on acpi0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcffff,0xd0000-0xd4fff,0xdb000-0xdbfff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus6: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub6: on usbus6 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub0: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub2: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub6: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub1: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub3: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered ugen0.2: at usbus0 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 uhid0: on usbus0 da0 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device da0: 300.000MB/s transfers da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 76319MB (156301488 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 9729C) da1 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device da1: 300.000MB/s transfers da1: Command Queueing enabled da1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C) SMP: AP CPU #4 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #7 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #5 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #6 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a WARNING: / was not properly dismounted /: mount pending error: blocks 6312 files 674 ZFS filesystem version 5 ZFS storage pool version 28 pid 7360 (cc1), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 07:16:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE761065674 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Received: from Elmer.dco.penx.com (elmer.dco.penx.com [174.46.214.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8638FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Elmer.dco.penx.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAA7GTZe014179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:16:29 -0700 (MST) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: dennisg@Elmer.dco.penx.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: RELENG_8 on AMX FX 8150? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:16:32 -0000 Never mind, mostly. It is obvious -- duh. Nonetheless, anyone using this CPU? I'm curious what you think. On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Dennis Glatting wrote: > > Does anyone know if this works? I have had one kernel trap and a make > buildworld fails with this: > > cc -O2 -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libdwarf > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c > /usr/src/lib/libdwarf/dwarf_errmsg.c > cc: Internal error: Illegal instruction: 4 (program cc1) > Please submit a full bug report. > See for instructions. > > > I also have an error when trying to build gettext-0.18.1.1.tar.gz. It could > be I have something corrupt, a bad disk, or whatever but it isn't obvious and > I'm wondering whether anyone is working with that CPU. > > > bd1# dmesg > Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Fri Oct 28 22:47:38 PDT 2011 > root@:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/WORKHORSE amd64 > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor (3616.17-MHz K8-class > CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x600f12 Family = 15 Model = 1 Stepping = > 2 > > Features=0x178bfbff > > Features2=0x1698220b > AMD Features=0x2e500800 > AMD > Features2=0x1c9bfff,> > TSC: P-state invariant > real memory = 12884901888 (12288 MB) > avail memory = 12385927168 (11812 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 8 core(s) > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 > cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 4 > cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 5 > cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 7 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > acpi0: on motherboard > acpi0: [ITHREAD] > acpi0: Power Button (fixed) > acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 100000, cfca0000 (3) failed > Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 > acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 > cpu0: on acpi0 > cpu1: on acpi0 > cpu2: on acpi0 > cpu3: on acpi0 > cpu4: on acpi0 > cpu5: on acpi0 > cpu6: on acpi0 > cpu7: on acpi0 > acpi_button0: on acpi0 > pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: irq 19 at device 3.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > mps0: port 0xee00-0xeeff mem > 0xfddfc000-0xfddfffff,0xfdd80000-0xfddbffff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci1 > mps0: Firmware: 07.00.00.00 > mps0: IOCCapabilities: > 185c > mps0: [ITHREAD] > pcib2: irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci0 > pci2: on pcib2 > em0: port 0xdf00-0xdf1f mem > 0xfdbc0000-0xfdbdffff,0xfdb00000-0xfdb7ffff,0xfdbfc000-0xfdbfffff irq 16 at > device 0.0 on pci2 > em0: Using MSIX interrupts with 3 vectors > em0: [ITHREAD] > em0: [ITHREAD] > em0: [ITHREAD] > em0: Ethernet address: 00:1b:21:c5:f0:6c > pcib3: irq 17 at device 9.0 on pci0 > pci3: on pcib3 > pci3: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > pcib4: irq 16 at device 12.0 on pci0 > pci4: on pcib4 > mps1: port 0xbe00-0xbeff mem > 0xfd1fc000-0xfd1fffff,0xfd180000-0xfd1bffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 > mps1: Firmware: 10.00.02.00 > mps1: IOCCapabilities: > 1285c > mps1: [ITHREAD] > pcib5: irq 17 at device 13.0 on pci0 > pci5: on pcib5 > vgapci0: port 0xae00-0xaeff mem > 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xfdec0000-0xfdedffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci5 > pci5: at device 0.1 (no driver attached) > atapci0: port > 0xff00-0xff07,0xfe00-0xfe03,0xfd00-0xfd07,0xfc00-0xfc03,0xfb00-0xfb0f mem > 0xfdfff000-0xfdfff3ff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 > atapci0: [ITHREAD] > atapci0: AHCI v1.20 controller with 6 6Gbps ports, PM supported > ata2: on atapci0 > ata2: [ITHREAD] > ata3: on atapci0 > ata3: [ITHREAD] > ata4: on atapci0 > ata4: [ITHREAD] > ata5: on atapci0 > ata5: [ITHREAD] > ata6: on atapci0 > ata6: [ITHREAD] > ata7: on atapci0 > ata7: [ITHREAD] > ohci0: mem 0xfdffe000-0xfdffefff irq 18 at > device 18.0 on pci0 > ohci0: [ITHREAD] > usbus0: on ohci0 > ehci0: mem 0xfdffd000-0xfdffd0ff irq 17 > at device 18.2 on pci0 > ehci0: [ITHREAD] > usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 > usbus1: on ehci0 > ohci1: mem 0xfdffc000-0xfdffcfff irq 18 at > device 19.0 on pci0 > ohci1: [ITHREAD] > usbus2: on ohci1 > ehci1: mem 0xfdffb000-0xfdffb0ff irq 17 > at device 19.2 on pci0 > ehci1: [ITHREAD] > usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 > usbus3: on ehci1 > pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) > isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > pcib6: at device 20.4 on pci0 > pci6: on pcib6 > ohci2: mem 0xfdffa000-0xfdffafff irq 18 at > device 20.5 on pci0 > ohci2: [ITHREAD] > usbus4: on ohci2 > pcib7: at device 21.0 on pci0 > pci7: on pcib7 > re0: port > 0x8e00-0x8eff mem 0xfd4ff000-0xfd4fffff,0xfd4f8000-0xfd4fbfff irq 17 at > device 0.0 on pci7 > re0: Using 1 MSI-X message > re0: Chip rev. 0x2c800000 > re0: MAC rev. 0x00000000 > miibus0: on re0 > rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, > 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, > 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, > 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow > re0: Ethernet address: 50:e5:49:45:54:46 > re0: [ITHREAD] > pcib8: at device 21.1 on pci0 > pci8: on pcib8 > pci8: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > ohci3: mem 0xfdff9000-0xfdff9fff irq 18 at > device 22.0 on pci0 > ohci3: [ITHREAD] > usbus5: on ohci3 > ehci2: mem 0xfdff8000-0xfdff80ff irq 17 > at device 22.2 on pci0 > ehci2: [ITHREAD] > usbus6: EHCI version 1.0 > usbus6: on ehci2 > acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 > on acpi0 > Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 > atrtc0: port 0x70-0x73 on acpi0 > orm0: at iomem > 0xc0000-0xcffff,0xd0000-0xd4fff,0xdb000-0xdbfff on isa0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > atkbd0: [ITHREAD] > ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range > hwpstate0: on cpu0 > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 > usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 > usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > usbus6: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 > ugen0.1: at usbus0 > uhub0: on usbus0 > ugen1.1: at usbus1 > uhub1: on usbus1 > ugen2.1: at usbus2 > uhub2: on usbus2 > ugen3.1: at usbus3 > uhub3: on usbus3 > ugen4.1: at usbus4 > uhub4: on usbus4 > ugen5.1: at usbus5 > uhub5: on usbus5 > ugen6.1: at usbus6 > uhub6: on usbus6 > uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhub5: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered > uhub0: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered > uhub2: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered > uhub6: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered > uhub1: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered > uhub3: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered > ugen0.2: at usbus0 > ukbd0: on > usbus0 > kbd2 at ukbd0 > uhid0: on > usbus0 > da0 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device > da0: 300.000MB/s transfers > da0: Command Queueing enabled > da0: 76319MB (156301488 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 9729C) > da1 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device > da1: 300.000MB/s transfers > da1: Command Queueing enabled > da1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C) > SMP: AP CPU #4 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #7 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #5 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > SMP: AP CPU #6 Launched! > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > /: mount pending error: blocks 6312 files 674 > ZFS filesystem version 5 > ZFS storage pool version 28 > pid 7360 (cc1), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 07:30:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01A81065687 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AF18FC13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl2 with SMTP id l2so858628yen.13 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:30:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ntCqwxme4/hghvyOx3WxauKgbpHBrYwZN6KKMGEQw/U=; b=e5Vio5clLxvod4iaQBI+ZvAxkTlgNCg24J3hmpV9qSRD4wSpkHdQwqBuB6erTUYWbU +Ep2ayTQuUxlG2DdUEHSjzXZ9ldl1FWQX2zQ0p/n3bNadZqSdg2eNTdKnHA7tUqyuOs2 7U58Y1f+U80aIW3bg2T8KiKP9C8TP+auK3aQA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.23.14 with SMTP id 14mr2805159anw.135.1320910226106; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.138.9 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:30:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: php5-pgsql and postgresql 9.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:30:28 -0000 I'm trying to get the php5-pgsql module to work with postgresql 9.1.1, the current version in ports. It seems that when I install php5-pgsql from ports it depends on postgresql 8.4.9. I don't see anything in the Makefile that allows me to change this. How do I get the php5-pgsql port to see that I have postgres 9.1.1 installed? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 08:00:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649B51065679 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD68FC17 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so3772442ywt.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:00:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dMYJIAJVd8QKK3D+0eT56NZW004NDUsJaJoHHA3zrT4=; b=r5Gyo6ITZ4oCmA3J6o5Y2JtOh98hfIN1Zr4ABGgyOCqc+6wKIaNrVA62EqFhyyfYGf bkmvHGrSY20J70e2R5mfaGDacJUA9YrbDgsLgMlDvVdvWe6z9L7ud/cxSriTNBSLR55n 9PUZotaY/PdptB26Q9lUjh1dmuNvV5+hLEKv4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr2850633anb.91.1320912023941; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.138.9 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:00:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: php5-pgsql and postgresql 9.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:00:27 -0000 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Robert Simmons wrote= : > I'm trying to get the php5-pgsql module to work with postgresql 9.1.1, > the current version in ports. =A0It seems that when I install php5-pgsql > from ports it depends on postgresql 8.4.9. =A0I don't see anything in > the Makefile that allows me to change this. > > How do I get the php5-pgsql port to see that I have postgres 9.1.1 instal= led? I figured it out. You just need to have the database installed before the php module. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 09:11:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C591E106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E01F8FC16 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id pAA9BJKr045751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:11:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id pAA9BICP045750; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA12584; Thu, 10 Nov 11 01:09:08 PST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:09:01 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: cswiger@mac.com Message-Id: <4ebbf71d.fOrnoytXfIP6Nf0X%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <20111110020123.778d356f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:11:35 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > > My assumption still is: Not _every_ keyboard manufacturer does > > code the layout into the USB identification. If you tell me I'm > > wrong with this assumption, I'll be happy. :-) > > Folks are supposed to use a different product ID for different > devices, so you can uniquely identify them. > > I can't promise that every vendor handles this perfectly, any > more than folks always ensured that PCI ids uniquely identified > a specific hardware version, but one should blame the vendor for > being brain-damaged in such cases; it isn't a fault of the USB > standard.... If someone manufactures a single type of keyboard -- using only one type of ASIC, one PCB/keyswitch layout, one kind of housing, etc. -- I'd say it is very much open to interpretation whether snapping on a different collection of keycaps makes it into a different "product". Even if the manufacturer tried to cover for the possibility, e.g. by providing a jumper on the PCB which is supposed to be set according to the installed set of keycaps, there will still be cases where an end user replaces or rearranges the keycaps to change the layout and doesn't change the jumper setting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 09:52:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5F3106566C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A73C8FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:52:37 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0207.4EBB9EE4.00F3,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.154.39) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4E68B786095D1F13 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:52:36 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAA9qWdC009981 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:52:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4EBB9EE0.2050108@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:52:32 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110930 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: How to persist tape configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:52:38 -0000 Hello. I need to set my tape with: mt comp off. After a reboot I need to do this again. I could write a script and place it in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, but I'm just wondering if there's already something standard in /etc. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:26:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE8D106566C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C987F8FC19 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RORpZ-00032J-V5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:26:01 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:26:01 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:26:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:25:45 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 25 Message-ID: <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+fUkw3qj7fm+YyRwS8GvyrErQ94= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:26:04 -0000 Chuck Swiger , 2011-11-09 22:10 (+0100): >> How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such >> information is sent through USB or PS/2 when you attach a keyboard. > > True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product ID can > identify different keyboard types and let you infer the country. I'm sorry I was unclear. I meant the USB device doesn't say what physical keyboard layout it has in any standardized way. There is nothing in the USB protocol about it. The product ID code might tell you something if you have a large database and the USB product ID is indeed different between two physical layouts. It might not be. For instance, while ANSI keyboards and ISO keyboards are bound to have different USB product IDs because of actually physical differences in the number of keys, the only thing that differs between, say, a German keyboard and a Swedish keyboard of the same model is what is printed on the keycaps. A vendor might see these as the same USB product ID. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:32:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A87106566B for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349D48FC14 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so3956864ywt.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:32:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=138MbU0ywIhDzMroBOCz8n9eL5KpPVRnABjYYnMS8E8=; b=mXTzkomjdzMf9dIwLncTjp8ATq9unN2osIpQFnYjQKa/7c+qOoFPAL5XhI4hgHPN+/ ++mFjrLXZpp5gBzHFoV5hGTQX2uo+YdnSwjEdLM57uSg9CmJfJXDrZJFFD/hxjbvExmx s9AVClrnkQ3q3L5/qoO63CUpgzmC77JrgOQlg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.85.2 with SMTP id n2mr306981anl.95.1320921164528; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.95.45 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:32:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:32:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Freebsd 6 and nfsstats counters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:32:45 -0000 Hi, I have a bunch of old freebsd servers I want to collect nfs stats from. The problem is a lots of the counters have wrapped around. On other Freebsd 7+ machines I take care of this be a weekly cron of "nfsstat -c -z". The z option isnt available in freebsd 6, and I cant see a direct sysctl OID i can reset. Has anyone encountered this issue in the past and found a fix. I'd rather avoid having to alter the scripts to cater for negative numbers. k From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:36:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC021065675 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFB58FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1RORWR-0004s1-FG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:06:15 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.7.22.110]) by cpt-exch01 ([196.7.22.110]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:05:27 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: freebsd questions Thread-Topic: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Thread-Index: AQHMn5BFlcrpgvuhL0qQOgNwf+FRew== Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:05:27 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:36:30 -0000 Hi All I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* and rm -rf /usr/obj) 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel && make installworld && reboot 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot My stable-supfile is as follows: --- *default host=3Dcvsup2.za.freebsd.org *default base=3D/var/db *default prefix=3D/usr *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8_2 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all --- However, I'm not getting past "make buildworld". Below is the tail end of my make buildworld: --- . . . cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Please submit a full bug report. See for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. --- My questions are: - Is this a known issue (can't seem to find much on google) ? - If not, how would I go about pinpointing the root cause of this compile error. Upping the make debug level doesn't seem to get my any more detailed information that I can use . I've run csup multiple times (with multiple make clean;make cleanworld;make cleandir in between) across 48 hours , but each update to my source tree doesn't seem to get any different result. I've also tried upgrading my userland tools before doing the upgrade (portupgrade -a) in the hope that the my compiler tools might have been updated to fix this. Any advice would be appreciated, Traiano From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:37:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A6A1065674 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464288FC1A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROS0G-0000Er-Iu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:37:04 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:37:04 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:37:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:36:51 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 20 Message-ID: <86boskl0vw.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBAE800.6040807@bredband.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/zetarhW+9BLhy+8DsB3t9adJK0= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:37:07 -0000 Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-09 21:52 (+0100): > Because with HAL and DBUS enabled this InputDevice section is bypassed > unless I also specify Option "AutoAddDevices" "false". Which I > understand gives the same result as not enabling HAL and DBUS in the > first place. If you don't enable HAL and DBUS, you're using an X server compiled with HAL and DBUS support and you haven't set AutoAddDevices to false you won't get any input devices at all: no working mouse, no working keyboard. At least, this was my experience after an upgrade long ago. Quite frustrating. I learned about the AutoAddDevices first and later rebuilt my X server without HAL or DBUS support. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:49:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B5D1065672 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E968FC1F for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROSCM-0006pq-8M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:49:34 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:49:34 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:49:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:49:19 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 60 Message-ID: <86r51gjlqo.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kBvWqWwRdnxiUtOWT+25e3i8Emk= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:36 -0000 Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-10 00:49 (+0100): > Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02: >> What new style XML method? > I'm referring to what Polytropon said about all the "new" stuff > required by X. As I understood him he was talking about the XML-files > to give directions to HAL Ah! HAL! Good riddance! >> Perhaps you can file a Problem Report (PR) with a suggested text? I >> suggest you add the text to the handbook since I assume the X.org >> project won't touch manual pages for the ancient X servers we use in >> FreeBSD. > As I understand you, the man-pages from Xorg that are in FreeBSD are > not allowed to be altered unless the Xorg project do it themselves, I'm sure they can be altered in FreeBSD. I just thought it might be better to add the text to the handbook. Or both. > Anyway, I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD X server was "ancient" and > different from any other. :) We're a few versions behind the X.org bleeding edge since modern servers require kernel changes. Modern X.org servers require Kernel-based Mode Setting (KMS) and Graphics Execution Manager (GEM) and udev support. While it's likely there could be some udev glue on top of devd I don't know if someone is working on it. Warner, perhaps? KMS and GEM, mainly for the intel drivers, are being worked on: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU > Also a good beginners tutorial > on the fonts would be good, because as I understand it there is also > an "old" and a "new" way with the core fonts and the font server, some > methods belonging to one and some to the other. That's true. You can start by reading my blog post about it: http://hack.org/mc/blog/xfonter.html It's in Swedish, I'm afraid, but both your name and the fact that you were talking about a Swedish keyboard earlier makes me think you can cope with that. > But if I do produce something, where should I send the PR and text? See the send-pr(1) manual page. Failing that, use: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:51:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECE9106566C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (www.unsane.co.uk [85.233.185.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BA48FC13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (lon.namesco.net [195.7.254.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAAAXD8i037695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:33:13 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4EBBA868.5030000@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:33:12 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> <4ebb7681.kE6yc4aqdzf2C9LV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4ebb7681.kE6yc4aqdzf2C9LV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:51:45 -0000 On 10/11/2011 07:00, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Vincent Hoffman wrote: > >> bsd sed (correctly according to SUS at least, I believe[1]) >> appends a newline when writing to standard out, gnu sed doesnt. > The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to > choose from -- Tanenbaum > >> is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? > As long as it is OK to remove _all_ newlines -- which seems to be > the case here -- you could pipe the output through tr -d '\012' Thanks to all for suggestions, I'll move to using tr at some point i think but the overhead of any of the approaches is pretty negligable (except for firing up python/perl ;) Vince > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 10:55:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2A51065673 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897548FC14 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROSHk-00019f-Rn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:08 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:08 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:51:49 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 19 Message-ID: <86lirojlmi.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> <20111110013041.ec3ef2e4.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jkub8UfCB7xMr8OO6z8QGK8nGq4= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:55:11 -0000 Polytropon , 2011-11-10 01:30 (+0100): > Now as it (almost?) works on FreeBSD, it's already deprecated by new > Linux concepts such as udev, upower and other us. Maybe > they become available as interfaces on FreeBSD too, but my fear is... > as soon as they are usable, there's already something else obsoleting > them right away. :-( By then I'm sure Linux distributions have moved on to the Wayland Display System. Times like these I wish I had the time to bring back MGR from the dead: http://hack.org/mc/mgr/ -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 11:53:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D814106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcsis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9B98FC14 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so3584254pzk.3 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:52:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:organization:references:user-agent :x-envelope-to:mail-followup-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=OdNWeiUtrFAsVtxB697UQbBIIgsIznBMt2bwcDYWxZs=; b=Qt/tUPS1HweZAenJ5DeHeUkM9mV3UC4PCwjE91HOoyy0ueE2iAlgHFVG5q16/+5d/R LqCqS85G1oOZ++xVeJ73IpGG1JR7cn2TNeNsCNDSfTLALDKkITVPVaZQS4qA6tRNMi/F ZuXQILRKEvbsg49vmnktlOWLEOTR9mjrp3+/w= Received: by 10.68.30.99 with SMTP id r3mr13685485pbh.54.1320924534544; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([114.244.163.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm20764644pbd.15.2011.11.10.03.28.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: darcsis@gmail.com (Denise H. G.) To: Traiano Welcome In-Reply-To: (Traiano Welcome's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:05:27 +0000") Organization: Pluto The Planet References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Envelope-To: Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za Mail-Followup-To: Traiano Welcome , freebsd questions Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:28:46 +0800 Message-ID: <87fwhwrzbl.fsf@pluton.xbsd.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:53:00 -0000 On 2011/11/10 at 18:05, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > Hi All > I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or > better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: > > 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* > and rm -rf /usr/obj) > 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. > 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel > && make installworld && reboot > 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot > No. your upgrade steps are a little bit wrong. Just follow this: build world -> build kernel -> install kernel -> reboot to singler user -> mergemaster -p -> install world -> mergemaster -> make delete-old ... You'd better take a look at /usr/src/UPGRADING, which contains details about upgrade steps. > > My stable-supfile is as follows: > > --- > *default host=cvsup2.za.freebsd.org > *default base=/var/db > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8_2 > *default delete use-rel-suffix > src-all > --- > > > However, I'm not getting past "make buildworld". Below is the tail end of > my make buildworld: > > --- > . > . > . > > cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DPREFIX=\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c > cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) > Please submit a full bug report. > See for instructions. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > --- > > > My questions are: > > - Is this a known issue (can't seem to find much on google) ? > - If not, how would I go about pinpointing the root cause of this compile > error. Upping the make debug level doesn't seem to get my any more > detailed information that I can use . > > I've run csup multiple times (with multiple make clean;make > cleanworld;make cleandir in between) across 48 hours , but each update to > my source tree doesn't seem to get any different result. > > I've also tried upgrading my userland tools before doing the upgrade > (portupgrade -a) in the hope that the my compiler tools might have been > updated to fix this. > > > Any advice would be appreciated, > Traiano > > > ................ -- History proves nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 12:43:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B82106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EDE8FC14 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pAAChg6w039702; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:43:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4EBBC6FE.3010005@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:43:42 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:7.0) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samuel Magnusson References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBAE800.6040807@bredband.net> In-Reply-To: <4EBAE800.6040807@bredband.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:43:51 -0000 2011-11-09 21:52, Samuel Magnusson skrev: > > When I first installed Xorg I began by following the handbook, which > means that I unwittingly did this to my poor rc.conf: > > hald_enable="YES" > dbus_enable="YES" > > That meant that I would HAVE to go into the XML-stuff (to get swedish > keys) If all you want is a swdish keyboard layout then put this in your ~/.xinitrc setxkbmap se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 12:57:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAE5106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D838FC13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1ROUCC-0008Yi-Tp; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:57:32 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by cpt-exch01 ([196.7.22.110]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:56:48 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: "Denise H. G." Thread-Topic: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Thread-Index: AQHMn6g0qUlu8LW7MESFcozt3jVIdw== Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:56:47 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87fwhwrzbl.fsf@pluton.xbsd.name> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:57:36 -0000 Hi=20 Thanks for the feedback. On 2011/11/10 1:28 PM, "Denise H. G." wrote: > >On 2011/11/10 at 18:05, Traiano Welcome > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All >> I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or >> better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: >>=20 >> 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* >> and rm -rf /usr/obj) >> 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. >> 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make >>installkernel >> && make installworld && reboot >> 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot >>=20 > >No. your upgrade steps are a little bit wrong. Just follow this: > >build world -> build kernel -> install kernel -> reboot to singler user -> >mergemaster -p -> install world -> mergemaster -> make delete-old ... I'd be happy to try this sequence, however I don't make it past "make buildworld".=20 (of note, the sequence I used above works on all my other boxen though) I've just scrutinised /usr/src/UPDATING (there is no file called UPGRADING ? ) and can't seem to find anything specific to this make fail. File version as follows: $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.19.2.6 2011/10/04 19:07:38 cperciva Exp $ I'm following the process outlined in the FreeBSD manual up until "make buildworld", and can't see where I might be wrecking things: 1) synching the source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html =20 (... BTW, note to editor: I see nothing in this section of the manual about "csup"? 2) building world: =20 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html BTW: I've just upgraded my binutils (as, ld) as there was a reference in the UPDATING file to an ld bug, but that did not seem to affect anything. > >You'd better take a look at /usr/src/UPGRADING, which contains details >about upgrade steps. > > >>=20 >> My stable-supfile is as follows: >>=20 >> --- >> *default host=3Dcvsup2.za.freebsd.org >> *default base=3D/var/db >> *default prefix=3D/usr >> *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8_2 >> *default delete use-rel-suffix >> src-all >> --- >>=20 >>=20 >> However, I'm not getting past "make buildworld". Below is the tail end >>of >> my make buildworld: >>=20 >> --- >> . >> . >> . >>=20 >> cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H >> -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include >>=20 >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/inclu >>de >> =20 >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c >>../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c >> cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) >> Please submit a full bug report. >> See for instructions. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> --- >>=20 >>=20 >> My questions are: >>=20 >> - Is this a known issue (can't seem to find much on google) ? >> - If not, how would I go about pinpointing the root cause of this >>compile >> error. Upping the make debug level doesn't seem to get my any more >> detailed information that I can use . >>=20 >> I've run csup multiple times (with multiple make clean;make >> cleanworld;make cleandir in between) across 48 hours , but each update >>to >> my source tree doesn't seem to get any different result. >>=20 >> I've also tried upgrading my userland tools before doing the upgrade >> (portupgrade -a) in the hope that the my compiler tools might have been >> updated to fix this. >>=20 >>=20 >> Any advice would be appreciated, >> Traiano >>=20 >>=20 >> ................ > > > >--=20 >History proves nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 13:17:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A23E1065672 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D098FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so578447wyf.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.229.94 with SMTP id g72mr6254052weq.74.1320931056872; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e40sm9545707wbp.3.2011.11.10.05.17.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:17:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EBBCEEA.4040604@my.gd> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:17:30 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:17:38 -0000 On 11/10/11 11:05 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote: > Hi All > > I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or > better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: > > 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* > and rm -rf /usr/obj) > 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. > 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel > && make installworld && reboot > 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot > Your upgrade steps are wrong, although this has nothing to do with your buildworld failing. 1/ make buildworld (automatically cleans up anyway) 2/ make buildkernel 3/ make installkernel 4/ mergemaster -p 5/ reboot (single user if possible) 6/ make installworld 7/ mergemaster -F 8/ reboot 9/ optional, make delete-old Why use csup manually ? Set your variables in /etc/make.conf and just run "make update" from /usr/src. Here are mine: SUP_UPDATE= yes SUP= /usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS= -zgL 2 SUPHOST= cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org SUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/stable-supfile PORTSSUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/ports-supfile DOCSUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/doc-supfile ==> Post your src.conf and make.conf, your problem might be there. As a last resort, I would suggest synching sources with 8.1 and trying to build it, to see if you still encounter the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 13:39:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FA01065673 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3448FC1A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so3034549eyd.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:39:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dRPc5mrPY04mo2OP8zOwUjs0+zQNMCaP2JvGSWhYps4=; b=JF0JI+UHKGCR6o+W0f4i2CWcRHEH/Q8ArJ0+cO/LFf5hjtJ9mDhVcUbW8S86vZ9k63 XfJARTxzyl0175qbObpve9S6IU7IK9bvhY0eRa66SUrzU8CljxInophFOjLox/MJYvvM 22mbYE23SWToHlpVgQmkK6EP6eRGlpEPwuD5E= Received: by 10.14.16.14 with SMTP id g14mr573321eeg.33.1320932395730; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (schavemaker.nl. [213.84.84.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm22708798eec.10.2011.11.10.05.39.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:39:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EBBD427.8080802@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:39:51 +0100 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot , FreeBSD References: <4EBBCEEA.4040604@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4EBBCEEA.4040604@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:39:57 -0000 Damien Fleuriot schreef: > Here are mine: > SUP_UPDATE= yes > SUP= /usr/bin/csup > SUPFLAGS= -zgL 2 > SUPHOST= cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org > SUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/stable-supfile > PORTSSUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/ports-supfile > DOCSUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/doc-supfile There is no -g anymore for csup, so SUPFLAGS= -zL2 would do. regards Johan Hendriks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 14:55:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79CC106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcsis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C5E8FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so4331386ywt.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:55:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:organization:references:user-agent :x-envelope-to:mail-followup-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=P1+zWYzAPoqRKLmXibmQMXzI74t7zzkHQC/80DFy39M=; b=Rsa8Pi35JwEl0/7zSFeNCgNrsYkyDApdE0A0JJtBqId9gZfkb3YH45v5+hYeZVE+Xz aD05ltFx82OoaSj4eqRBxOhLv+QL1xnYgSFtyzJ9wsrZFA7ui43tOnRCSqnAuB1JPbAu ZmAOej9ScfulYql8MJADjNBKQv15CwRSJPkJE= Received: by 10.68.74.40 with SMTP id q8mr15523605pbv.36.1320936955410; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([125.34.69.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wn14sm22056482pbb.5.2011.11.10.06.55.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: darcsis@gmail.com (Denise H. 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To: Traiano Welcome In-Reply-To: (Traiano Welcome's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:56:47 +0000") Organization: Pluto The Planet References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Envelope-To: Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za Mail-Followup-To: Traiano Welcome , freebsd questions Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:55:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87liroqb64.fsf@pluton.xbsd.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:55:56 -0000 On 2011/11/10 at 20:56, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > Hi > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > I'd be happy to try this sequence, however I don't make it past "make > buildworld". > (of note, the sequence I used above works on all my other boxen though) > > I've just scrutinised /usr/src/UPDATING (there is no file called UPGRADING > ? ) and can't seem to find anything specific to this make fail. File > version as follows: Sorry, it's a typo. It IS UPDATING not UPGRADING:) If you still can't make it, there probably are some problems with your system. Or you could clean up everything, re-csup your system sources and try again. Or you could file a bug report to see if it helps. > > $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.19.2.6 2011/10/04 19:07:38 cperciva Exp $ > > I'm following the process outlined in the FreeBSD manual up until "make > buildworld", and can't see where I might be wrecking things: > > 1) synching the source: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html > > (... BTW, note to editor: I see nothing in this section of the manual > about "csup"? csup is a C language rewrite of cvsup. Generally you could tell no difference between them from a user's perspective. > > 2) building world: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html > > BTW: I've just upgraded my binutils (as, ld) as there was a reference in > the UPDATING file to an ld bug, but that did not seem to affect anything. > I think this might be irrelevant to your case. -- History proves nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 15:53:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84C6106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669258FC08 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAAFr8fN007765; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:08 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAAFr6TS007737; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:07 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0709733C1F; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:06 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Traiano Welcome Message-ID: <20111110155306.GC96452@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:53:12 -0000 --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:05:27AM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > Hi All >=20 > I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or > better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: >=20 > 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* > and rm -rf /usr/obj) > 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. > 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel > && make installworld && reboot > 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot >=20 >=20 > My stable-supfile is as follows: >=20 > --- > *default host=3Dcvsup2.za.freebsd.org > *default base=3D/var/db > *default prefix=3D/usr > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8_2 > *default delete use-rel-suffix > src-all > --- >=20 >=20 > However, I'm not getting past "make buildworld". Below is the tail end of > my make buildworld: >=20 > --- > . > . > . >=20 > cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/inclu= de > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c > cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) > Please submit a full bug report. > See for instructions. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > --- >=20 >=20 > My questions are: >=20 > - Is this a known issue (can't seem to find much on google) ? > - If not, how would I go about pinpointing the root cause of this compile > error. Upping the make debug level doesn't seem to get my any more > detailed information that I can use . >=20 > I've run csup multiple times (with multiple make clean;make > cleanworld;make cleandir in between) across 48 hours , but each update to > my source tree doesn't seem to get any different result. >=20 > I've also tried upgrading my userland tools before doing the upgrade > (portupgrade -a) in the hope that the my compiler tools might have been > updated to fix this. >=20 >=20 > Any advice would be appreciated, > Traiano Can you supply us with: $ uname -a $ cc -v $ cat /etc/make.conf Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk6782AACgkQHduKvUAgeK7WVQCeJmNxQngS2s8amG4CwOLSGGQW QE8AoMPCxBJqT1bDn3wolSTuuhHELN3p =s+mQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 17:17:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633F01065674 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saeedeh.motlagh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F63D8FC1C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so4576414ywt.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:17:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=8y3rFfmzDyWOw6yWCn87/HoiLK4DWAqlPi+xd0rOvfA=; b=ReHpPvYPxtAkB7XSOFxZ2Flb+8oJzJaE/Y6Zt6WN3OR4uxZZYiaLxWGGw+E6HbOht8 IMpkPFQYt6YJvgIEGnZ/uWmf79bNlIf7qBHCfa3zOXIEE49sSaqjEiJ5EElx+H0W/t7T 3ZfXeKWWk+rWr9QvhPXkBDDU8NuEVcIvThRmg= Received: by 10.68.209.36 with SMTP id mj4mr16111895pbc.71.1320945435092; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:17:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.162.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:16:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: saeedeh motlagh Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:46:34 +0330 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:17:16 -0000 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, saeedeh motlagh wrote: > hi > thanks for your answer. the output of "ps ax | grep getty" is: > 1357 u0 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty std.115200 ttyu0 > i think it's true. isn't it? but the stty -f /dev/ttyu0 shows 9600 and > can't have communication with the other system by 115200 baud rate. > > i check my gettytab file too. actually i don't understand what these > commands mean. some of commands are: > std.115200|115200-baud:\ > :np:sp#115200: > > P|Pc|Pc console:\ > :ht:np:sp#115200:\ > :cl=\E[H\E[2J: > > al.115200:\ > :al=root:tc=std.115200: > what is the exactly command that i should have in this file? IMHO, that's correct. > there is no special command for baud rate in /etc/login.conf > it's so necessary for me to change my baud rate so please help me if > you know what should i do. > thanks I don't know. Could you please CC the list, maybe someone else has an idea? Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 18:59:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13898106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C736B8FC08 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl2 with SMTP id l2so1850625yen.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:59:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Dmy8kFaLiFmjx3zoVb8FZUsyrkmxeI5H5PUMmbMs+p4=; b=CgNm38zYlg0E7jIly0Hn2D6T22JGzaXOHbQt07vhTxXoQP3LQOnYyBjTdBlAOjx7Ih +iD4F5U0qrWuaTEOzNj6pAeb7hw54n2oezUgCOdGXenqar0IuFI9Ct1dZVkGr/SXZGcJ cKGkjZxcxO8qMdn5C1xtzDoHnkjZqEQdfEODg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.111.11 with SMTP id o11mr3983181anm.139.1320951561874; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.102.164 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBBA868.5030000@unsane.co.uk> References: <4EBA5646.5030102@unsane.co.uk> <4ebb7681.kE6yc4aqdzf2C9LV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4EBBA868.5030000@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:59:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Vincent Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sed vs gnu sed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:59:23 -0000 On 10 November 2011 10:33, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > On 10/11/2011 07:00, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> Vincent Hoffman wrote: >> >> bsd sed (correctly according to SUS at least, I believe[1]) >>> appends a newline when writing to standard out, gnu sed doesnt. >>> >> The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to >> choose from -- Tanenbaum >> >> is there any easy way to make our sed do the same as gnu sed here? >>> >> As long as it is OK to remove _all_ newlines -- which seems to be >> the case here -- you could pipe the output through tr -d '\012' >> > > > Thanks to all for suggestions, I'll move to using tr at some point i think > but the overhead of any of the approaches is pretty negligable (except for > firing up python/perl ;) > > Vince > > > ______________________________**_________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org " >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > you could sidestep the issue entirely /usr/ports/textproc/gsed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 19:13:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C575B1065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74558FC17 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:13 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUG00L0RLDGKV60@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-10_01:2011-11-09, 2011-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111100180 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:12:51 -0800 Message-id: <0953CCAB-C764-413C-9A13-ED5E77D1AEC4@mac.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> To: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:13 -0000 On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:25 AM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote: >> True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product ID can >> identify different keyboard types and let you infer the country. > > I'm sorry I was unclear. I meant the USB device doesn't say what > physical keyboard layout it has in any standardized way. There is > nothing in the USB protocol about it. That's fairly said-- you'd have to query a database of vendor+product ids and see whether you can determine that a particular keyboard is for a given country and/or language. If you don't find a match, there isn't a good way of identifying the region of the device just via USB protocol. > The product ID code might tell you something if you have a large > database and the USB product ID is indeed different between two physical > layouts. It might not be. For instance, while ANSI keyboards and ISO > keyboards are bound to have different USB product IDs because of > actually physical differences in the number of keys, the only thing that > differs between, say, a German keyboard and a Swedish keyboard of the > same model is what is printed on the keycaps. A vendor might see these > as the same USB product ID. Different keycaps means a different product SKU, at least. If they use the same USB product ID, then you're going to have to define a keymap file / xmodmap / etc to associate the scan codes with the right character that's printed on the keycaps. FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be willing to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks would appreciate the system trying to figure out that an AZERTY keyboard layout means French, that JIS means Japanese, that QWERTZ probably indicates German / Swiss / Hungarian, etc. To my mind, though, that's a fallback for when you have a KVM or a PS/2-to-USB converter or suchlike in the way that prevents the device from being correctly recognized. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 19:20:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3401065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BA48FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROaAs-0002G2-1H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:20:34 +0100 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:20:34 +0100 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:20:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:20:21 +0100 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 28 Message-ID: <86lirniy2y.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <0953CCAB-C764-413C-9A13-ED5E77D1AEC4@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qHqXnXiJkr77WW6UoavvgxcX41o= Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:20:44 -0000 Chuck Swiger , 2011-11-10 20:12 (+0100): > Different keycaps means a different product SKU, at least. If they use > the same USB product ID Yes. I think this is a quite common scenario. > FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be > willing to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks > would appreciate the system trying to figure out that an AZERTY > keyboard layout means French, that JIS means Japanese, that QWERTZ > probably indicates German / Swiss / Hungarian, etc. Certainly. > To my mind, though, that's a fallback for when you have a KVM or a > PS/2-to-USB converter or suchlike in the way that prevents the device > from being correctly recognized. Or when you have, say, a keyboard that physically is an ANSI keyboard (one less physical key compared to ISO keyboards) but still want, say, a Swedish keymap or, indeed, your very own keymap, unlike any other. Like me when I'm using one of my Happy Hacking Keyboards. Topre switches FTW! -- http://hack.org/mc/ Plain text e-mails, please. HTML messages sent to me are silently deleted. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 19:21:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD081065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46D58FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0C32A7 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:02:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Gene" To: "Freebsd Questions" Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:02:02 -0600 Message-Id: <20111110185804.M26514@brightstar.bomgardner.net> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.2 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Subject: 7.2 to 8.2 buildkernel fails (Suspect ignorance...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:21:24 -0000 Hi All: I attempting to build an 8.2 kernel on a 7.2 machine. I suspect that something need to be ipdated first, but don't no exactly what. It says "inline functions are not supported; using GNU89". I get the following: ============================================================= cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict- prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual - Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/ usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 -- param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack- boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding - fstack-protector -Werror /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c:385: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89 /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c:385: warning: to disable this warning use - fgnu89-inline or the gnu_inline function attribute *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ================================================================= Any Ideas? Thanx, Gene -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 19:30:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA81106566B for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD588FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAAJUnf5026465; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:49 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAAJUnJ0026458; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:49 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD25033C1F; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:48 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Traiano Welcome Message-ID: <20111110193048.GD96452@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C1iGAkRnbeBonpVg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:30:52 -0000 --C1iGAkRnbeBonpVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:05:27AM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > [snip] >=20 > cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/inclu= de > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c > cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) > Please submit a full bug report. > See for instructions. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > --- >=20 Another question worth asking: how much memory/swap does the machine have? If FreeBSD runs short of memory, it will start killing processes. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --C1iGAkRnbeBonpVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk68JmcACgkQHduKvUAgeK4VmQCff9fnpXREMON2p0OUhkjAiAjO nEMAoKjCOv5S6lGiJZ+b76O4NYX1YJS9 =U1Zl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C1iGAkRnbeBonpVg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 20:04:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57431106566B for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linnemannr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D4C8FC13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so4833997ywt.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VJ0+pg2XHFbTEYA25XMoc9nnGMn7wla9rbiHekza4Vk=; b=ThQUWStiyegLDSPcTgmFPmUnnjIAmfW3piLCegPW4vsdO8gthWeX0XSfM3xukr+Uqe BSXtNQvJZ6M3ibNUkrdrte/VfCMIMr7w7bxlQg246RbKyQpAMj2qTTF3HmI19Bco6bx7 0k3WaP72umSuO7fwTTTDtBkFEH5mltmhisWQw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.60.225 with SMTP id k1mr13135763pbr.25.1320953814378; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:36:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: linnemannr@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.49.38 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:36:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111110185804.M26514@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <20111110185804.M26514@brightstar.bomgardner.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:36:54 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gtKVkgpywh178MBrFI1_ui8AJhE Message-ID: From: Reid Linnemann To: Gene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: 7.2 to 8.2 buildkernel fails (Suspect ignorance...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:04:44 -0000 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Gene wrot= e: > Hi All: > I attempting to build an 8.2 kernel on a 7.2 machine. I suspect that > something need to be ipdated first, but don't no exactly what. It says > "inline functions are not supported; using GNU89". I get the following: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > cc -c -O -pipe =A0-std=3Dc99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs = -Wstrict- > prototypes =A0-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual = =A0- > Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc =A0-I. -I/usr/src/= sys -I/ > usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=3D8000 --param inline-unit-growth= =3D100 -- > param large-function-growth=3D1000 =A0-mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred= -stack- > boundary=3D2 =A0-mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreest= anding - > fstack-protector -Werror =A0/usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c:385: warning: C99 inline functions are n= ot > supported; using GNU89 > /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c:385: warning: to disable this warning us= e - > fgnu89-inline or the gnu_inline function attribute > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Any Ideas? > > Thanx, > Gene > To get the basics out of the way, did you make buildworld first? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 22:23:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52B01065670 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from chimaera.otenet.gr (chimaera.otenet.gr [83.235.69.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981418FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by chimaera.otenet.gr (ESMTP) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:23:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.0.150] (athedsl-4364788.home.otenet.gr [79.130.9.228]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id pAAMNcqO020745 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:23:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4EBC4EF3.3080404@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:23:47 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:23:44 -0000 On 9/11/2011 11:11 πμ, saeedeh motlagh wrote: > i know adding the "COM_CONSOLE_SPEED=115200" to make.conf and > recompile it, change the baud rate but i want to know if there is a > way to change it without recompiling. > please let me know if there is any way to do that. > my FreeBSD is 8.0 > > thanks. I am using a serial console at 115200 bps. Like you, I've added comconsole_speed="115200" to /boot/loader.conf and nothing happened. After booting, the serial terminal works at 115200 - but that's because of the /etc/ttys entry (which of course is not used until the end of booting). For the actual console to work at this speed so you can see the boot messages, it seems the only way is to recompile and reinstall the boot blocks. This takes very little time however: # cd /usr/src/sys/boot # make clean # make BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED=115200 # make install No need to recompile the kernel or any other part of the base system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 22:45:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309681065680 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0500D8FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788AF2D2; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:45:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Gene" To: Reid Linnemann Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:45:18 -0600 Message-Id: <20111110224302.M66843@brightstar.bomgardner.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20111110185804.M26514@brightstar.bomgardner.net> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.2 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: 7.2 to 8.2 buildkernel fails (Suspect ignorance...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:45:12 -0000 On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:36:54 -0600, Reid Linnemann wrote > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Gene > wrote: > > Hi All: > > I attempting to build an 8.2 kernel on a 7.2 machine. I suspect that > > something need to be ipdated first, but don't no exactly what. It says > > "inline functions are not supported; using GNU89". I get the following: > > > > ============================================================= ><% Snip > > > > To get the basics out of the way, did you make buildworld first? See! Ignorance... well, actually - forgetfulness. I've done this a dozen times before and I forgot? Sheesh. Thanks Gene > _______________________________________________ -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 23:57:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CEE106564A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511888FC0A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so4020587bkb.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:57:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.211 with SMTP id m19mr6319319bkm.92.1320969436799; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.38.195 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: <0953CCAB-C764-413C-9A13-ED5E77D1AEC4@mac.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <0953CCAB-C764-413C-9A13-ED5E77D1AEC4@mac.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:57:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:18 -0000 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be will= ing to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks would appreci= ate the system trying to figure out that an AZERTY keyboard layout means Fr= ench, that JIS means Japanese, that QWERTZ probably indicates German / Swis= s / Hungarian, etc. I thought I'd mention that OS X takes an interesting approach to this. When you plug in a keyboard it doesn't recognize, it does a little dance where it tells you to press certain keys (e.g., "Press the key to the right of the left Shift key," with a little graphic to help you understand which key it means) and from the results it infers the layout. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 00:02:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D311065672 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:02:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B507A8FC13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so4023773bkb.13 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.38.16 with SMTP id z16mr6402548bkd.66.1320969729299; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.38.195 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <20111109191557.f5ce0bfd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20154.52783.72357.863854@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:02:09 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: DBUS + kvm breaks X server (was: X server and xinit works excellent....almost.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:02:11 -0000 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Warren Block wrote: > Are the keyboard and mouse USB devices? =A0A KVM should not disconnect th= em on > switching, but maybe it does. In my experience, most inexpensive USB KVMs work by disconnecting the keyboard/mouse from one system and reconnecting them to the other. They rely on the OS's USB hotplug support to do the right thing. On Windows systems this is pretty obvious because you hear the "ba-DUMP" sound effect it makes when it detects a new USB device. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 00:21:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43180106566C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crtb@cape.com) Received: from mrelay1.cape.com (mrelay2.cape.com [216.237.97.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2248FC15 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tomato (209-213-65-25.meganet.net [209.213.65.25]) by mrelay1.cape.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3805DF931; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:21:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Bacon X-X-Sender: crtb@tomato.local To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Chuck Bacon Subject: Still stalls on xpt_config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:21:43 -0000 Every 9.0 version I've tried has failed to boot, ending up with: Still waiting after {60,..,300} seconds for xpt_config. What's a body to do? I've tried disabling ACPI, going single, safe mode. All on my ASUS M4A785TD-EVO mobo with some amd64 x4. Any additional info I can provide? Very thankful for previous help. Hope somebody here can help. Chuck Bacon -- crtb@cape.com ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 00:56:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1133F106566B for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E652D8FC12 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:56:53 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUH00BSZ1A6BE20@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:56:31 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-10_05:2011-11-09, 2011-11-10, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111100258 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:56:30 -0800 Message-id: <38A07712-CC29-4A70-89E2-57DD2BD98400@mac.com> References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <30329CB5-03FA-4717-81E6-43CC9CE43713@mac.com> <86ipmsl1ee.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> <0953CCAB-C764-413C-9A13-ED5E77D1AEC4@mac.com> To: David Brodbeck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:56:54 -0000 On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:57 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be willing to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks would appreciate the system trying to figure out that an AZERTY keyboard layout means French, that JIS means Japanese, that QWERTZ probably indicates German / Swiss / Hungarian, etc. > > I thought I'd mention that OS X takes an interesting approach to this. > When you plug in a keyboard it doesn't recognize, it does a little > dance where it tells you to press certain keys (e.g., "Press the key > to the right of the left Shift key," with a little graphic to help you > understand which key it means) and from the results it infers the > layout. Indeed, yes-- that's KeyboardTypeSection, part of Setup Assistant.app used to perform initial configuration of a new system. While I think it makes a good example, I don't want to evangelize stuff from $REALJOB too strongly. :-) Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 01:12:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC13106566C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A392F8FC16 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111111011242.EJJC28068.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:12:42 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id vdCg1h00M55wwzE02dChAs; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:12:41 -0500 X-CT-Class: Bulk X-CT-Score: 5.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EBC7689.00AF,ss=3,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=BX0YEIBOusRIeQdDschwVvWAB1OmeRFmMWKQyT+Am3A= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=lM4-zUH5AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=0x-Y4APh3q6g4Mh_81QA:9 a=u_3vePIcgR3jBwjXXEsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=eR8K6Hi1c0XdF3Zz:21 a=d93vutSRP4LTgj0v:21 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pAB1CdeX013965; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:12:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:12:34 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20111110191234.53611af7@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201111090504.pA954Pod066887@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111108205948.54daef43@cox.net> <201111090504.pA954Pod066887@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:12:48 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:04:25 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little > > misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as > > being a single-byte representation for each character in the set, > > whereas UTF-16, as the name implies, would be the "wide", 2-byte > > version. > > "Not exactly." > > > Nonetheless, as I posted earlier in this thread, according to the > > info in gucharmap, the representations of the umlauted "u" are just > > the opposite of this: > > "not exactly." Again. > > > UTF-8: 0xC3 0xBC > > UTF-16: 0x00FC > > > > Go figure, huh? :-) > > In UTF-16, everything _is_ a 16-bit entity. Notice that 0x00FC has > -four- nybbles after the '0x.' Every character boundary is on a > multiple of 16 bits. Ah yes! I hadn't noticed that. What's really weird, as I mentioned in a later private email to Polytropon, last night, the copy-and-paste in gucharmap suddenly decided to start copying the UTF-8 code instead of the UTF-16. I have no idea why that changed. > In UTF-8, the 'base' charset -- the 'C0' and 'C1' groups are > represented by a single byte. 'extended' characters are represented > by two bytes. Thus, 'characters' have a *variable*length* > representation -- one or two bytes. A character, whether it is > represented by one or two bytes, can begin on -any- byte boundary > within a data stream, depending on 'what came before it'. UTF-8 > 2-byte representations are designed such that one can jump to any > _byte_ offset within the file, and determine -- by looking *only* at > the value of that byte whether is is (a) a single-byte character, (b) > the first byte of a two-byte sequence, or (c) the second byte of a > two-byte sequence. > > With UTF-16 you can position directly to any -character-, by jumping > to a _byte_ offset that is twice the index of the character you want. > Given a byte offset, you always know the 'equivalent' _character_ > offset. > > With UTF-8, you have to read the character stream, counting > 'characters' as you go, to get to the desired point. You can seek to > an arbitrary _byte_ offset, but you do not know how mny 'characters' > into the file that offset is. I see. Yes, that could certainly complicate things. > UTF-8 vs. UTF-16 is a trade-off between 'compactness' (UTF-8), and > simplicity of addessing/representation (UTF-16). > > > This seems rather unfortunate to me. You would think that, by now, > > some "standard" character set might have emerged that would allow > > one to use, at the very least, the "Western" characters (as opposed > > to the "Eastern" or "Oriental" or "Asian", if you will) with a > > reasonable expectation that others will see what was intended. > > Heh. > > How many 'character' codes are you willing to devote to national > 'currency symbols', just for starters? Probable minimum of two per > currency -- one for the minimum coinage unit (cent, pence, pfennig, > etc.) and one for the denomination unit (dollar, pound, mark, kroner, > etc.) > > Now, one (obviously) has to have the basic 'Roman' alphabet. > > Then there are all the diacritical markings (accent, accent grave, dot > umlaut, ring, bar, 'hat', inverted hat, etc.) for vowels. And > cedilla, tilde, etc., for select consonants. Plus language specific > symbols like ess-zett , 'thorn', etc. > > How about phonetic symbols, like 'schwa' ? > > And Greek for all sorts of scientific use? > > What about Cyrilic characters, for many Eastern Eurpean languages? > > Now, consider punctuation marks: > the 'typewriter' basics, > How many of 'minus-sign, hyphen, em-dash, en-dash, soft-hyphen' > are needed? How many of 'accent, accent grave, apostrophe, > opening/closing single-quote' are needed? > opening/closing double-quotes, and/or a 'position neutral' > double-quote? > > "Other symbols", like -- > digits, > common fractions, > 'Trademark','Registered trademark','copyright' > 'paragraph','section', > superscripts -- exponents, footnotes, etc. > subscripts -- chemical formulae, etc. > "Simple line-drawing graphics" > > Diphthongs?? Ligatures?? > > Start counting things up. > > An 8-bit 'address space' gets used used up _really_ quick. > > I certainly get the point. :-) Thanks for that very thorough elucidation. :-) Now I just have to figure out what the heck's going on here, why suddenly I'm seeing the exact opposite of what I was seeing yesterday. Thought I had everything straightened out for a while there. :-( Oh, this is madness! :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 08:22:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62792106564A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0289fe32c4=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6278FC0A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17493 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2011 07:56:16 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2011 07:56:16 -0000 Date: 11 Nov 2011 07:55:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:22:58 -0000 I would like to rebuild wpa_supplicant to increase the maximum number of APs from 128 to 255. (I'm sitting in an airline lounge at LAX where there are 191 visible APs.) When I use csup to check out the source, there aren't any makefiles. I tried copying in makefiles from the base wpa tarball, which didn't work. Any suggestions how one rebuilds this? If it matters, I'm using 8.2 RELEASE. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 09:17:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616B3106566B for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [213.83.63.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285AF8FC12 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROmuR-0000lQ-0f; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:56:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:56:27 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: John Levine Message-ID: <20111111085626.GA2564@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:17:47 -0000 El día Friday, November 11, 2011 a las 07:55:55AM -0000, John Levine escribió: > I would like to rebuild wpa_supplicant to increase the maximum number > of APs from 128 to 255. (I'm sitting in an airline lounge at LAX > where there are 191 visible APs.) > > When I use csup to check out the source, there aren't any makefiles. > I tried copying in makefiles from the base wpa tarball, which didn't > work. > > Any suggestions how one rebuilds this? If it matters, I'm using 8.2 > RELEASE. This is part of FreeBSD's user land; i.e. you should checkout the full sources /usr/src from SVN and build world; HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ¡Ya basta! ¡Imperialistas occidentales, quitad las manos de Libia! There's an end of it! Imperialists occidentals, hands off Libya! Schluss jetzt endlich! Imperialisten des Westens, Haende weg von Libyen! 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[84.102.21.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy13sm12813171wbb.18.2011.11.11.01.41.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EBCEDE4.7030002@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:56 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: No usb keyboard in single user mode X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:42:01 -0000 Hello, This question may have been asked a lot of time but I have the same problem, my USB keyboard works well with the loader, when the system has successfully booted but not in the single user mode. I don't know if this matters but when the request When prompted Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: comes, my keyboard didn't already show up in the kernel message, and the kernel still probe and attach devices after this message so the following output is printed : When prompted Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered uhub7: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered ugen0.2: at usbus0 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd1 at ukbd0 uhid0: on usbus0 ugen1.2: at usbus1 ubt0: on usbus1 ugen0.3: at usbus0 So here nothing possible to do, only shutdown by power button. I have heard a long time ago that legacy USB must be enabled in the BIOS and it is in mine. This is reproducible all the time on 8.2-RELEASE Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:08:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1F8106566C; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from romain.garbage@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D0F8FC1D; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so4363277bkb.13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:08:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d8F23fr1i/3Le92n66rQrUR7gjxjiQdwLmiUoJ/K9a4=; b=gaNdhfDPJdqFc6NJ9VH8NQMjyYVfoNs4HVV9pUCGVDYj00l/RouJHmpABVPIUENlPW 4vKd22GhnKbSILxKEX8QQXnuo6Qg73vnZKzYeoi5hcphELXyGY2Q/HqOsR8MN57dyA7/ qBUyiH3LDapVsWLY4uqlE8AwU7CKH96FdxWtM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.113.167 with SMTP id iz7mr6275943lab.15.1321006111942; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.4.231 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:08:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201111022144.47020.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> References: <201110251852.47385.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <201111022144.47020.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:08:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: Romain Garbage To: David Naylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.3.31 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:08:33 -0000 2011/11/2 David Naylor : > Hi, > > I have fixed an issue where the integrated nVidia patch failed to install= or > run as expected. =C2=A0The packages [4] have been uploaded and replaced t= he old > packages. Thanks, now the package installs without error. > Only if you are a nVidia user who has been unable to get wine-1.3.31 work= ing > would you need to download and install the updated packages. > > Lastly, there are reports that wine does not work with a clang built worl= d. I have not used wine for a while, but trying to run some simple program didn't work, so it seems that I am also running into the "clang built world" issue. Thank you for your work anyway! Regards, Romain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:43:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533BF106566B for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9569C8FC0C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1ROoaP-0005uo-TG; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:43:53 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by cpt-exch01 ([196.7.22.110]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:43:08 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Frank Shute Thread-Topic: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Thread-Index: AQHMoF6yBuMOiBkzAkqMSC4RULU8zQ== Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:07 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111110155306.GC96452@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:58 -0000 Hi Frank On 2011/11/10 5:53 PM, "Frank Shute" wrote: >On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:05:27AM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: >> >> Hi All >>=20 >> I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or >> better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: >>=20 >> 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* >> and rm -rf /usr/obj) >> 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. >> 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make >>installkernel >> && make installworld && reboot >> 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot >>=20 >>=20 >> My stable-supfile is as follows: >>=20 >> --- >> *default host=3Dcvsup2.za.freebsd.org >> *default base=3D/var/db >> *default prefix=3D/usr >> *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8_2 >> *default delete use-rel-suffix >> src-all >> --- >>=20 >>=20 >> However, I'm not getting past "make buildworld". Below is the tail end >>of >> my make buildworld: >>=20 >> --- >> . >> . >> . >>=20 >> cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H >> -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config >> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include >>=20 >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/inclu >>de >> =20 >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c >>../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c >> cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) >> Please submit a full bug report. >> See for instructions. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> --- >>=20 >>=20 >> My questions are: >>=20 >> - Is this a known issue (can't seem to find much on google) ? >> - If not, how would I go about pinpointing the root cause of this >>compile >> error. Upping the make debug level doesn't seem to get my any more >> detailed information that I can use . >>=20 >> I've run csup multiple times (with multiple make clean;make >> cleanworld;make cleandir in between) across 48 hours , but each update >>to >> my source tree doesn't seem to get any different result. >>=20 >> I've also tried upgrading my userland tools before doing the upgrade >> (portupgrade -a) in the hope that the my compiler tools might have been >> updated to fix this. >>=20 >>=20 >> Any advice would be appreciated, >> Traiano > >Can you supply us with: > >$ uname -a >$ cc -v >$ cat /etc/make.conf As follows: [root@snmp-proxy02 /usr/src]# uname -a FreeBSD snmp-proxy02 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:02:08 UTC 2009 =20 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@snmp-proxy02 /usr/src]# cc -v Using built-in specs. Target: amd64-undermydesk-freebsd Configured with: FreeBSD/amd64 system compiler Thread model: posix gcc version 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] My original make.conf: ENABLE_SUID_K5SU=3DYES # added by use.perl 2011-11-09 12:33:48 PERL_VERSION=3D5.10.1 Most recent suggestions from Damien Fleuriot: [root@snmp-proxy02 /usr/src]# cat /etc/make.conf SUP_UPDATE=3D yes SUP=3D /usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS=3D -zgL 2 SUPHOST=3D cvsup2.za.freebsd.org SUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/stable-supfile PORTSSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/ports-supfile DOCSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/doc-supfile ENABLE_SUID_K5SU=3DYES # added by use.perl 2011-11-09 12:33:48 PERL_VERSION=3D5.10.1 I see the same compile issue with both variants of my make.conf. > > >Regards, > >--=20 > > Frank > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:46:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73E1065673 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204D78FC0C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1ROocT-0005zG-S6; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:46:01 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by cpt-exch01 ([196.7.22.110]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:45:16 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Damien Fleuriot , freebsd questions Thread-Topic: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Thread-Index: AQHMoF7/BuMOiBkzAkqMSC4RULU8zQ== Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EBBCEEA.4040604@my.gd> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9D795D9BC6777341AB442B3EC14F3422@int.mtnbusiness.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:46:05 -0000 Hi Damien /etc/make.conf as follows (with your recently suggested changes added): SUP_UPDATE=3D yes SUP=3D /usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS=3D -zgL 2 SUPHOST=3D cvsup2.za.freebsd.org SUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/stable-supfile PORTSSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/ports-supfile DOCSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/doc-supfile # ENABLE_SUID_K5SU=3DYES # added by use.perl 2011-11-09 12:33:48 PERL_VERSION=3D5.10.1 And I don't seem to have a src.conf anywhere on my filesystem ... Hmmm. On 2011/11/10 3:17 PM, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: >On 11/10/11 11:05 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote: >> Hi All >>=20 >> I'm trying to upgrade from FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0 to FreeBSD 8.2 or >> better. My upgrade sequence would be as follows: >>=20 >> 0. cd /usr/src/;make cleanworld (and in extreme cases rm -rf /usr/src/* >> and rm -rf /usr/obj) >> 1. csup -L 2 stable supfile. >> 2. cd /usr/src; make buildworld && make buildkernel && make >>installkernel >> && make installworld && reboot >> 3. mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && reboot >>=20 > >Your upgrade steps are wrong, although this has nothing to do with your >buildworld failing. > >1/ make buildworld (automatically cleans up anyway) >2/ make buildkernel >3/ make installkernel >4/ mergemaster -p >5/ reboot (single user if possible) >6/ make installworld >7/ mergemaster -F >8/ reboot >9/ optional, make delete-old > > > >Why use csup manually ? >Set your variables in /etc/make.conf and just run "make update" from >/usr/src. > > >Here are mine: >SUP_UPDATE=3D yes >SUP=3D /usr/bin/csup >SUPFLAGS=3D -zgL 2 >SUPHOST=3D cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org >SUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/stable-supfile >PORTSSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/ports-supfile >DOCSUPFILE=3D /etc/cvsup/doc-supfile > > >=3D=3D> Post your src.conf and make.conf, your problem might be there. > > >As a last resort, I would suggest synching sources with 8.1 and trying >to build it, to see if you still encounter the problem. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:52:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8B71065725 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12CB8FC1C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1ROoiV-00065j-Gb; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:52:15 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by cpt-exch01 ([196.7.22.110]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:51:30 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Frank Shute Thread-Topic: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) Thread-Index: AQHMoF/dZJWvtODlOkyS/IKfRge+Vw== Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:51:29 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111110193048.GD96452@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11198C3752A3CC46B36A3F792CC342E6@int.mtnbusiness.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:52:18 -0000 Hi Frank As follows: Mem: 96M Active, 286M Inact, 224M Wired, 213M Buf, 1368M Free Swap: 4094M Total, 4094M Free Note that this is FreeBSD system is installed in a Vmware VM. No swap partition is configured as I expected the system to run entirely with RAM as managed by the Vmware hypervisor and resource management technology. Note that this machine is currently doing nothing else other than my attempts at make buildworld. On 2011/11/10 9:30 PM, "Frank Shute" wrote: >> >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/inclu >>de >> =20 >>-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c >>../cc_tools/insn-attrtab.c >>cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) >>Please submit a full bug report. >>See for instructions. >>*** Error code 1 >>Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. >>*** Error code 1 >>Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. >>*** Error code 1 >>Stop in /usr/src. >>*** Error code 1 >>Stop in /usr/src. >>*** Error code 1 >>Stop in /usr/src. >>--- > >Another question worth asking: how much memory/swap does the machine >have? If FreeBSD runs short of memory, it will start killing From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:53:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A4B106568E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CA28FC1A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5251EAEC; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:53:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pABArLGU003783; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:53:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:53:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Traiano Welcome Message-Id: <20111111115321.31fcf3ec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4EBBCEEA.4040604@my.gd> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD make buildworld fail: cc: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:53:24 -0000 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:15 +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > And I don't seem to have a src.conf anywhere on my filesystem ... Hmmm. You'll have to create it yourself (just like /etc/make.conf). See "man src.conf" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 11:02:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB07A106564A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE528FC08 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE071EA53; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:02:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pABB2O7M003863; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:02:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:02:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Demelier Message-Id: <20111111120224.91d61986.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EBCEDE4.7030002@gmail.com> References: <4EBCEDE4.7030002@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No usb keyboard in single user mode X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:02:25 -0000 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:56 +0100, David Demelier wrote: > When prompted Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:uhub3: > 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered > uhub7: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered > ugen0.2: at usbus0 > ukbd0: > on usbus0 > kbd1 at ukbd0 > uhid0: > on usbus0 > ugen1.2: at usbus1 > ubt0: > on usbus1 > ugen0.3: at usbus0 > > So here nothing possible to do, only shutdown by power button. After the keyboard has been detected, you should be able to enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh. Possible obstacle if you do NOT have "device kbdmux" in your kernel configuration! > I have > heard a long time ago that legacy USB must be enabled in the BIOS and it > is in mine. I also had a similar experience in v7 with my old system. After waiting for the kernel to identify ukbd0, it could be used as intended for local logins. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 11:23:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91082106564A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBB78FC0C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by april.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4E261E7203B35E04 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4EBD05C2.2080505@onetel.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:46 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Still stalls on xpt_config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:48 -0000 On 11/11/2011 00:21, Chuck Bacon wrote: > Every 9.0 version I've tried has failed to boot, ending up with: > Still waiting after {60,..,300} seconds for xpt_config. > What's a body to do? I've tried disabling ACPI, going single, > safe mode. All on my ASUS M4A785TD-EVO mobo with some amd64 x4. > Any additional info I can provide? > Try disabling firewire in your BIOS. If that lets you boot then rebuild your kernel without device sbp and re-enable firewire. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 13:19:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF98106564A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7EC8FC14 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pABDJlgN069280; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pABDJlML069277; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:47 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: John Levine In-Reply-To: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> Message-ID: References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:19:48 -0000 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, John Levine wrote: > I would like to rebuild wpa_supplicant to increase the maximum number > of APs from 128 to 255. (I'm sitting in an airline lounge at LAX > where there are 191 visible APs.) > > When I use csup to check out the source, there aren't any makefiles. > I tried copying in makefiles from the base wpa tarball, which didn't > work. > > Any suggestions how one rebuilds this? If it matters, I'm using 8.2 > RELEASE. Look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/wpa. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 14:44:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A223106566B for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomc1@charter.net) Received: from que31.charter.net (que31.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC5D8FC0C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20111111141032.HHD23071.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:10:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([68.116.162.197]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id vqAY1h00D4Fqjvo05qAYC7; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:10:32 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=AGoESrBi-XIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=r+nvV/Ddu/4oSijiw4DpQA==:17 a=s9oXJcMGAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=b3CR0saltfwKkUtFnWIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=r+nvV/Ddu/4oSijiw4DpQA==:117 Message-ID: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:10:32 -0500 From: Tom Carpenter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: 8.2-RELEASE-p4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:44:30 -0000 Environment FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep 27 18:07:27 UTC 2011 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Running "freebsd-update fetch" I get the following output: ===== # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 4 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 8.2-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 8.2-RELEASE-p4. ===== I'm new to FreeBSD and after looking through the FreeBSD website I think I may have answered my question, but thought I would say that the message "No updates needed to update system to 8.2-RELEASE-p4" seems a little contradictory: if "8.2-RELEASE-p4" isn't relevant for my FreeBSD installation why mention it. As far as answering my question, i.e. 'how does one install 8.2-RELEASE-p4 on a system running 8.2-RELEASE-p3', if I understand the relevant security advisory, http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-11:05.unix.asc it looks like "8.2-RELEASE-p4" is an update for source, consequently, I'm getting the output that I am from freebsd-update because I don't have any source installed on my system. Also, after running "freebsd-update install", if I run sysinstall and attempt to install packages by selecting "Configure | Packages | Main Site", I get the following output ===== User Confirmation Requested Warning: Can't find the `8.2-RELEASE-p3' distribution on this FTP server. You may need to visit a different server for the release you are trying to fetch or go to the Options menu and to set the release name to explicitly match what's available on ftp.freebsd.org (or set to "any"). Would you like to select another FTP server? ===== That message will go away if I edit `8.2-RELEASE-p3' to read `8.2-RELEASE' but I'm not sure if that's the appropriate solution...would I get the current versions of packages if I did that? -Tom Carpenter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 16:35:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68DF1065670 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4718FC08 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pABGYtac086786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:34:55 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk pABGYtac086786 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1321029295; bh=/tpd5RDw/mxibZGNss6/nxKoiJTs/2xsMR+JBa0q+WU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=cSkPPn2Gxrn6oSFu/sBsbMxElm84k/vx1SKdRr0adXOP5aRUZmx7yGWED8LA4inc1 1G4WcCqCUpCV6lpIzowbL/8+haZ389IgeLWQ66rL+4jJt7wzWB42EMmveke6WEd+ki PI8igzrAs3Hhq5HMWF49pUGy32mq3YutiV6crGz0= Message-ID: <4EBD4EA8.3000109@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:34:48 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Carpenter References: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig34F3B7F7944CAB0152F06728" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2-RELEASE-p4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:35:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig34F3B7F7944CAB0152F06728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/11/2011 14:10, Tom Carpenter wrote: > I'm new to FreeBSD and after looking through the FreeBSD website I > think I may have answered my question, but thought I would say that > the message "No updates needed to update system to 8.2-RELEASE-p4" > seems a little contradictory: if "8.2-RELEASE-p4" isn't relevant for > my FreeBSD installation why mention it. >=20 > As far as answering my question, i.e. 'how does one install > 8.2-RELEASE-p4 on a system running 8.2-RELEASE-p3', if I understand the= > relevant security advisory, >=20 > http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-11:05.unix.asc >=20 > it looks like "8.2-RELEASE-p4" is an update for source, consequently, > I'm getting the output that I am from freebsd-update because I don't > have any source installed on my system. Uh -- I think you are confused. All security patches are issued as not only as source code updates (for those that build from source) but also as compiled binary updates via freebsd-update. Judging by the output you showed, you've certainly managed to download the -p4 binary patch set. The 'No updates needed' message is just telling you you've already got all the necessary update patchsets downloaded. The next step is running: # freebsd-update install which will actually deploy those updates on your live system. Which you do mention doing. Hmmm... You aren't running a custom kernel according to your uname output, so your kernel image should have been updated. However, you would still need to reboot after installing the updates. Until you do, programs like uname that query the currently running kernel image will continue to show the old version numbers. Note that if a security update is just to some userland programs, freebsd-update won't touch the OS kernel, so the reported version number doesn't change even though the update has been applied. In these sort of cases, it's not necessary to reboot, just to restart any long running processes (if any) affected by the update. The security advisory should have more detailed instructions about exactly what to do. (The -p2 to -p3 update was like this, but the -p3 to -p4 update definitely did affect the kernel so a reboot was necessary.) > That message will go away if I edit `8.2-RELEASE-p3' to read > `8.2-RELEASE' but I'm not sure if that's the appropriate > solution...would I get the current versions of packages if I > did that? Yes -- that should be absolutely fine. All 8.x versions of the OS should be binary compatible, and any ports compiled for anything labelled 8.2-RELEASE should work irrespective of the patch level. In fact, with a very small number of exceptions, ports compiled for any OS version with a major version number of '8' should work. Exceptions are programs like eg. lsof(1) which accesses certain kernel internals in non-portable ways. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig34F3B7F7944CAB0152F06728 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk69Tq8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyYIwCgiPzD0DFcyr2kA84GDR96img9 Q54AoIIVsATF+mjGEvt594XcjwZFTZJZ =q8qW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig34F3B7F7944CAB0152F06728-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 16:41:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5271065672 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770D78FC16 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pABGfnBd062901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pABGfnIS091701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id pABGfmON091635; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:48 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <20111111164148.GA93709@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4EBB9EE0.2050108@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EBB9EE0.2050108@netfence.it> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:41:49 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to persist tape configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:41:51 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 10), Andrea Venturoli said: > > I need to set my tape with: > mt comp off. > > After a reboot I need to do this again. > > I could write a script and place it in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, but I'm just > wondering if there's already something standard in /etc. A quick grep doesn't come up with anything. An rc.d script is probably your best bet. You might be able to do it with a devd.conf entry, too. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 21:03:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EF5106566C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4635F8FC13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywe9 with SMTP id 9so1323483ywe.13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:03:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j8xOkvFjfvxWPpaOne2Y49lb2siYhbdYdFTsdOzB0Fg=; b=AQu3pcAKh68gDpDEAs3DGvN7h684Y9+KnLj9NOp+pV1gJoxe7D9C+6tSsH5f3BjQxe 5/uAIzWkypaJxs1MTomQaX5iAMJMLyehLei5h85v7tqGWyYaZ3rb4HEA7fWGJw0K+ghV HWfHatMbD7uB0Oarqju/nQQwZLiYCji1jdpfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.155.21 with SMTP id h21mr6629128ano.69.1321045434533; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.138.9 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:03:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBD4EA8.3000109@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> <4EBD4EA8.3000109@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:03:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: 8.2-RELEASE-p4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:03:55 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Judging by the output you showed, you've certainly managed to download > the -p4 binary patch set. =A0The 'No updates needed' message is just > telling you you've already got all the necessary update patchsets > downloaded. =A0The next step is running: > > =A0# freebsd-update install > > which will actually deploy those updates on your live system. =A0Which yo= u > do mention doing. =A0Hmmm... > > You aren't running a custom kernel according to your uname output, so > your kernel image should have been updated. =A0However, you would still > need to reboot after installing the updates. Until you do, programs like > uname that query the currently running kernel image will continue to > show the old version numbers. I would encourage you to please run uname -a on your own box before beating up the newbie. I think I understand where his confusion lies. I checked the output on two of my boxes: # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 4 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 8.2-RELEASE from update3.FreeBSD.org... don= e. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 8.2-RELEASE-p4. # uname -a FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep 27 18:07:27 UTC 2011 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 All my machines are up to current patch level, but show p3 when I run uname= -a. > Note that if a security update is just to some userland programs, > freebsd-update won't touch the OS kernel, so the reported version number > doesn't change even though the update has been applied. =A0In these sort > of cases, it's not necessary to reboot, just to restart any long running > processes (if any) affected by the update. =A0The security advisory shoul= d > have more detailed instructions about exactly what to do. =A0(The -p2 to > -p3 update was like this, but the -p3 to -p4 update definitely did > affect the kernel so a reboot was necessary.) I'm not confident that you are correct here. See above. Either p3-p4 did not touch the kernel, or the OP has a legitimate question. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 23:03:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960D7106564A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F528FC15 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pABN3cMX013287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:03:38 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk pABN3cMX013287 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1321052618; bh=hWDaxKQ1h12yja7Q0gAcr+nL8MGJlNhPOYK3qY3g6pA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=tdoXZ+GXKaYXrq0QJSS+9LSIaQQP5EcGAraICTU2RJq515KEvx7+KGnKxmKPXEjQ5 jXjhocENWxFYMCDjjWlcv4tTmkdUURs/eHmok4RCR+ZznXXMzU/bkvPAHcjUdBjTvZ IlPct6o7q+QEdlputqyVroc3UsmtAPi92uOtpkMk= Message-ID: <4EBDA9C0.8010309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:03:28 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Simmons References: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> <4EBD4EA8.3000109@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig16A2FF3B77B5B7F1F67CE462" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2-RELEASE-p4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:03:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig16A2FF3B77B5B7F1F67CE462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/11/2011 21:03, Robert Simmons wrote: >> Note that if a security update is just to some userland programs, >> > freebsd-update won't touch the OS kernel, so the reported version nu= mber >> > doesn't change even though the update has been applied. In these so= rt >> > of cases, it's not necessary to reboot, just to restart any long run= ning >> > processes (if any) affected by the update. The security advisory sh= ould >> > have more detailed instructions about exactly what to do. (The -p2 = to >> > -p3 update was like this, but the -p3 to -p4 update definitely did >> > affect the kernel so a reboot was necessary.) > I'm not confident that you are correct here. See above. Either p3-p4 > did not touch the kernel, or the OP has a legitimate question. Interesting. I based what I said on the text of the security advisories:= http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-11:04.compress.asc http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-11:05.unix.asc Specifically the 'Corrected:' section near the top. I think it's clear that FreeBSD-SA-11:04.compress (Corrected in 8.2-RELEASE-p3) doesn't involve anything in the kernel but FreeBSD-SA-11:05.unix (Corrected in 8.2-RELEASE-p4) is entirely within the kernel code. Except those advisories aren't telling the whole story. Lets look at r226023 in SVN. That's the revision quoted in the 11.05 advisory. The log for newvers.sh in http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.2/sys/conf/newvers.sh?view=3Dlog&= pathrev=3D226023 says that the patches in RELEASE-p4 were not actually the security fix -- rather they fixed a problem revealed by the actual security fix, which was applied simultaneously with the patches in FreeBSD-SA-11:04.compress. 11.05 was committed in two blobs spanning -p3 and -p4. So, the good news is that if you have at least 8.2-RELEASE-p3 then you don't have any (known) security holes. However if you don't have the patches in 8.2-RELEASE-p4 then linux apps run under emulation will crash if they use unix domain sockets. The flash plugin for FireFox being the most prominent example as I recall. Now the updates for -p4 certainly should have touched the kernel, and certainly should have resulted in an updated uname string[*]. There should also be a note about -p4 in /usr/src/UPDATING. Starting to wonder if the -p4 patches are actually available via freebsd-update(8) -- could they have been omitted because it wasn't actually a security fix? Odd that no one would have commented in a whole month if so. Cheers, Matthew [*] strings /boot/kernel/kernel | grep '8\.2-' should give the same results as uname(1): if it's different then the running kernel is not the same as the one on disk... --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig16A2FF3B77B5B7F1F67CE462 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk69qckACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwBJQCfZE0S2fMULVvSJe4nFwFly0aH OTEAnjj1w3YMpa6/VgNcBTIfbI5lsBU/ =E2RZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig16A2FF3B77B5B7F1F67CE462-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 00:31:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83ADF106566B for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A88FC08 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pABNADLY012265; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id pABNADXx012264; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:10:13 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20111111231010.GA12204@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: Subject: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:31:47 -0000 around thanksgiving in 1996 I began using//STUDYING the Xlib set that is behing every other toolkit in the NIX world. I eventually moved to the Athena toolkit. IIRC, there is a faily simple Xlib editor. it would save [or speed up] typing to use abbrevs. without too much effort, do any of you hackers see how it would work to turn: "hw r u gys dng?" into: "how are you guys doing? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 00:40:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B481065675 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12938FC15 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:40:37 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUI00C08V7BM790@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-11_04:2011-11-12, 2011-11-11, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111110279 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20111111231010.GA12204@thought.org> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:23 -0800 Message-id: <4B80DED0-6D11-4B44-8168-36E8105F13FD@mac.com> References: <20111111231010.GA12204@thought.org> To: Gary Kline X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:40:38 -0000 On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > "hw r u gys dng?" > > into: > > "how are you guys doing? Assuming you've got emacs installed: info emacs -s abbrev Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 01:15:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF9C106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 517268FC12 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2011 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.71] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2011 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2011 01:15:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1321060525; bh=j+Bu126IsVvxog1FrrBG6OMHFjdrKWb6VqZ1H1kaF0o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aS996r0BGX0CwnNQ0mjkKn5r/srEx3hx1thz+Sp8uMABvPUQkR2D3CYncvrJfW3B53xuL8xbvDwyAF0m88pvirKnZmmXEjJwGtxHS9Otk9cOPNLBgbKh2j58PWA4xGlHhVi9/t3PKOi8D84VJtOwJoIi3O5UltRQELp7MHv7LD8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661676.82067.bm@smtp108.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Mq73C1UVM1nGgDz9CTvavJhj7ee.WCo6jbpwEqkXoC1qZ7e 9vZHDau.jPVCwJtgbxWRuk9.QnvLyhgz32pdkv_iVRCwW6D4T2ltoz5SLlBT PjdpinraCfM3SakHqaB64l7VQtZMdY16jPlYdrX8IjDOf6E8blDGEhMq12JF 9jRvKtKHiu1ybgk1goHACoVQGeG0izkFZGlTIZNA3Y2RXOjdlLb41OKTLUO2 kksrMoC14x_ViJm8MQWVc5YzNZ3v8crF30fCqAsxYKQnqkaxltmDmNouI7EU m00scEgN7LFJdQYc6JZ9l21ffEks8lsC.9NhdAXaIc2vvUce6bqZdTLthlm6 BZ9elStgGah5kQqL9weJELf57B0QkTL3sa00X7YS223lyIphgdlkccZ7PDkU sZdfMeqATx66w8ZnlHFhh.23aJ8_Fx_zieQ3Jj_iJdnGdTe.K8mBxkXmXv36 ZDw0aRO9kjAQE2OeZVTqRo2rkU90a2sNFmecRF8UBiZDENDtYbRYogvrM.C6 V X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- Received: from napoleon (mike.jeays@99.224.68.20 with login) by smtp108.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2011 17:15:25 -0800 PST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:15:24 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111111201524.42221073@napoleon> In-Reply-To: <4B80DED0-6D11-4B44-8168-36E8105F13FD@mac.com> References: <20111111231010.GA12204@thought.org> <4B80DED0-6D11-4B44-8168-36E8105F13FD@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:15:27 -0000 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:23 -0800 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > "hw r u gys dng?" > > > > into: > > > > "how are you guys doing? > > Assuming you've got emacs installed: > > info emacs -s abbrev > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The :ab command in vi will do this; you can build them into a .exrc file. See http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch30_31.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 07:07:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93531065672 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673B68FC0C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10829 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2011 07:07:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=2a4c.4ebe1b4a.k1111; bh=SKFuKsCpMebF3rFz7tbFa/SPnSduyb5TKh93VK5Wawc=; b=liKn9WmXy8EJ6X6xWYxFrg2mfAR5ImEbm8JeUc+NjPmCFB11+RsGIsIKajtTiaz0elpjEGxexk0dIfC4GF/ypsRTo+/5B4G8M02rj1qKeC18pPKq6OWGlUgsZYNRzdatAMca1WPULCud/GtvCoWJ41gyQU2A7gV7MGvm5hcEGnI= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Nov 2011 07:07:32 -0000 Date: 11 Nov 2011 23:07:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Matthias Apitz" In-Reply-To: <20111111085626.GA2564@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111111085626.GA2564@sh4-5.1blu.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:07:55 -0000 > This is part of FreeBSD's user land; i.e. you should checkout the full > sources /usr/src from SVN and build world; Surely there is some way to rebuild just part of the tree. I know there used to be. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 07:36:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97A1106566B for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395458FC08 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so5578943bkb.13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:36:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rKj7RqD6xM27q9XE4qEqpArtzZFfXJHqvB6Lcevd0zg=; b=Bw7tmYT4115Bu9SPDjQAWW2yYalmatIVq4tzRPLXbIeqMsZJIqOED79vjzsRkkt7d5 vC+TjT9SjHU9KQAZnNDAZ7IGCE9PEGt2g77KN1kVD/6gduY/0ljxNtRm+9MIcINgTftE u/kF//IIJQAOSBDPpj+5P+O8nHwIV6+RdN90A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.130.208 with SMTP id u16mr11180196bks.47.1321083408992; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.88.72 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111111085626.GA2564@sh4-5.1blu.de> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:36:48 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: "John R. Levine" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:36:50 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 1:07 AM, John R. Levine wrote: > Surely there is some way to rebuild just part of the tree. I know there > used to be. > Doesn't this work for you? cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/wpa make install ;) -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 07:59:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2F3106566C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863A28FC0A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24177 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2011 07:59:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=5e6f.4ebe2757.k1111; bh=hxQYDxYQQE5eE/rQWQDND99GxB8eJ+W9HJ4bhEmmL54=; b=YWM7QRXqEjbA1rw3rojMAZF8U1KRiJJpa0nx5bjO3zeElIPG54blAzgmb1IozGMjSK8cUUWIyMvnLbkmcV0y3U7fM2qvEu0C+Nf7aHDV7aYIE93LFJAYH+E4j6Qy74RyQDdW0IaT4+uZXq9GuesmZJ+ZTEenZKYHnaznFkm7WAw= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Nov 2011 07:58:57 -0000 Date: 11 Nov 2011 23:59:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Adam Vande More" In-Reply-To: References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111111085626.GA2564@sh4-5.1blu.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:59:21 -0000 > Doesn't this work for you? > > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/wpa > make install Well, yes, now that you mention it. Sigh. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 08:11:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D934106566B for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0290bae03b=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341B8FC0A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72340 invoked by uid 100); 12 Nov 2011 07:44:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=11a93.4ebe23e1.k1111; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=wYddIld42w5QOnRfzzqiEhMze1ZzxDBICXSlX1WAbz4=; b=brYVjNNSX7PkRwwAOEpcd94PgrEWjflz5KtPgYgWaj1KHlNga/m0njfzz/uZd/wNNTfJeFZaA5Sbc3gNnCmBuh7Q/pM/rSRycZLEZCeMGjllTCEg9oHyNhPe6Erc9JZTRa/g25wbyIm2ixKvtysO1+CZn6I6pjRSIUj6WvIJFn4= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Levine To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20111111075555.20641.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you rebuild wpa_supplicant? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:11:15 -0000 > Look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/wpa. Oh, duh. I used to know that. Tnx. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 08:23:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B99106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9318FC12 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w8NV1h0030cZkys5B8PdBl; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:23:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([68.43.224.227]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w8Pc1h00J4uzdYs3W8PcgB; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4EBE2D07.8080005@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:23:35 -0500 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:23:36 -0000 On 10/31/2011 3:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: > I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System > V, Um, no.... BSD was a version of Unix that was done at Berkeley. They were one of the first Universities to REALLY get work done with Unix adding things that we all now take for granted (Vi, TCP/IP, more) and basically came out with this "BSD" which was in very high demand and VERY popular. It, in my mind, was better than the AT&T Unix. Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was SunOS. Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... >Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux > includes more new hardware, but I mean as is "within "management > technologies, security, etc. .. > > PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in > relation to performance, ports are not very fast. I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend "Just for Fun", "A Quarter Century of Unix" and also the DVD "25 Years of Berkeley Unix", and a few others mentioned already. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 09:05:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C502B106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD338FC12 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so6975943ggn.13 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:05:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.13.3 with SMTP id d3mr3518144obc.20.1321088719891; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.88.98 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:05:19 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.185.54] In-Reply-To: <4EBE2D07.8080005@comcast.net> References: <4EBE2D07.8080005@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:05:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:05:20 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Allen wrote: > On 10/31/2011 3:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: >> >> I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System >> V, > > Um, no.... BSD was a version of Unix that was done at Berkeley. They were > one of the first Universities to REALLY get work done with Unix adding > things that we all now take for granted (Vi, TCP/IP, more) and basically > came out with this "BSD" which was in very high demand and VERY popular. It, > in my mind, was better than the AT&T Unix. > > Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said > that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he > wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the > University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was > SunOS. > > Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... Yes, but I guess that Linus probably used early versions of SunOS 4 which were not only BSD-based, but also not yet SysV-ied. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 10:15:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E3C106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573E98FC13 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:15:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-111-140.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.111.140]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20111112101549H040046nhme>; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:15:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.111.140] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20111111204929.DD6EFD48111@smtp5-g21.free.fr Message-Id: <20111112101551.66E3C106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: no sound on alc-889 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:15:51 -0000 > Hello all, > i try to unmute a box with a mcp79 ane alc-889. > the sound is working on another os, and playback > and recording are treated separately by os x, (10.7). > i tried different combinations according to the snd_hda man page, > but i cannot find a good one. > Pleease, have you some hints? > here is the config and pindump: > hdac0: mem 0xd3480000-0xd3483fff irq 22 at device 8.0 on pci0 > pci3: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC885 > pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > pins dump > hdac0: Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: > hdac0: nid 20 0x012b4040 as 4 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 11 loc 1 color Green misc 0 > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 21 0x018b3010 as 1 seq 0 Line-in Jack jack 11 loc 1 color Blue misc 0 > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 22 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 23 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 24 0x90100130 as 3 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 0 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 25 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 26 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 27 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 > hdac0: nid 28 0x400000f0 as 15 seq 0 Line-out None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] > hdac0: Caps: IN > hdac0: nid 30 0x014be050 as 5 seq 0 SPDIF-out Jack jack 11 loc 1 color White misc 0 > hdac0: Caps: OUT > hdac0: nid 31 0x01cbe020 as 2 seq 0 SPDIF-in Jack jack 11 loc 1 color White misc 0 > hdac0: Caps: IN > hdac0: NumGPIO=2 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 > hdac0: GPIO: data=0x00000000 enable=0x00000000 direction=0x00000000 > hdac0: wake=0x00000000 unsol=0x00000000 sticky=0x00000000 > Thanks, in advance for your help. > rmgls > rmgls@free.fr Your subject line says alc-889, but config and pindump messages say Realtek ALC885. Since I recently built a new computer from parts, I came across Realtek ALC889 and ALC892 in motherboard descriptions. Realtek ALC892 was/is very popular in the newer motherboards. I have Realtek ALC892 with my MSI motherboard with Intel Sandy Bridge chipset. I get sound in FreeBSD 9.0, now RC1. I think ALC892 would be an update in the ALC889 line, driver that works with ALC892 would work for ALC889, but this is just my hypothesis. But then, do you have ALC889 or ALC885? I get "Intel High Definition Audio"; there is no NVidia anywhere in my boot messages. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 10:22:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F405106564A; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE1F8FC0C; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RPAjW-0005xj-KR>; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:22:46 +0100 Received: from e178018025.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.18.25] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RPAjW-0000XP-Fy>; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:22:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBE48EC.5010403@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:22:36 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ports FreeBSD X-Enigmail-Version: undefined Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF4FA045B1BEAC2DD2818ECEF" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.18.25 Cc: Subject: Scientific toolchaing for planetary geo-imaginery: USGS ISIS3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:22:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF4FA045B1BEAC2DD2818ECEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does someone do science with FreeBSD and coincidently reading this mailing list and (another) coincidently do planetary science and wish to process satellite images via the opensource software toolchain ISIS3 from USGS? Regards Oliver --------------enigF4FA045B1BEAC2DD2818ECEF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOvkj1AAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8tVMIAM0QRs8oujsZ5uX+0vROxw2q bfGDv764gWRB32uQyHgbB9idRb04xgYO2+rwTygamJKNukqFp9qKCM5FXHvfsXsn BuzDoEUTd7woTD/cp8nc2P6p045cFb32rWzkGTGewrpRs1WnxCQ7jJkrEUC2mfHr ZtsOardDDMEGngvJGEzghI/S444MAcG+l0CupL/3bvBF8KMFxV3JeZG352u3Z4yP hHmlSPCesAybQrfo1r++thXlNHbv0WjYum0nGVVnX6KCX5pt0qRt0cxJFy6CHIZD EyYqBiRqRP+TeLFVxppxR9+afCv6jb3mXhSmm2XGcy4j0l35HFZ97GH+pFJTMmk= =p6Wr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF4FA045B1BEAC2DD2818ECEF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 11:02:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3401065675 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saeedeh.motlagh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3501D8FC08 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so5937229vcb.13 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:02:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=//MEeaZbPlPJ1JDoSIVyM64efFYhXyHZ6RwtOG9IvmQ=; b=aEZa79zmTXXKf05wkB0az13OH5jBz2bghOtwFyrRONkY4nPTb/cp/0vF7K5z+TKa53 htBU21REqybN1RxeDIOemanPd3XMZTs0bP8E/vIpRsZYVNkgIk4ZI4CyI5IVlZEbD4Ts Z74MzMMo3Y3lraaXxNj377FYl/8JJ4eiRWu68= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.84 with SMTP id ck20mr26047543vdb.88.1321095723311; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.115.65 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:02:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBC4EF3.3080404@otenet.gr> References: <4EBC4EF3.3080404@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:32:03 +0330 Message-ID: From: saeedeh motlagh To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:04 -0000 thanks for your reply it's good but includes recompiling again. i don't want to recompile in any way. is there any other solution for doing that? i don't think so:(. are you sure recompiling is the only way to change the baud rate? thanks for your attention On 11/11/11, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > On 9/11/2011 11:11 =F0=EC, saeedeh motlagh wrote: >> i know adding the "COM_CONSOLE_SPEED=3D115200" to make.conf and >> recompile it, change the baud rate but i want to know if there is a >> way to change it without recompiling. >> please let me know if there is any way to do that. >> my FreeBSD is 8.0 >> >> thanks. > > I am using a serial console at 115200 bps. Like you, I've added > > comconsole_speed=3D"115200" > > to /boot/loader.conf and nothing happened. After booting, the serial > terminal works at 115200 - but that's because of the /etc/ttys entry > (which of course is not used until the end of booting). For the actual > console to work at this speed so you can see the boot messages, it seems > the only way is to recompile and reinstall the boot blocks. This takes > very little time however: > > # cd /usr/src/sys/boot > # make clean > # make BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED=3D115200 > # make install > > No need to recompile the kernel or any other part of the base system. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 11:10:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4979F106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from sphinx.otenet.gr (sphinx.otenet.gr [83.235.69.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E598FC1C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panas.otenet.gr (panas.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by sphinx.otenet.gr (ESMTP) with ESMTPS; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:10:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.0.150] (athedsl-4364788.home.otenet.gr [79.130.9.228]) by panas.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pACBAYdH021718; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:10:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4EBE5435.5030306@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:10:45 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: saeedeh motlagh References: <4EBC4EF3.3080404@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing baud rate without recompiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:10:40 -0000 On 12/11/2011 1:02 ìì, saeedeh motlagh wrote: > thanks for your reply > it's good but includes recompiling again. i don't want to recompile in > any way. is there any other solution for doing that? i don't think > so:(. are you sure recompiling is the only way to change the baud > rate? > thanks for your attention > Like you, everything else I tried simply did not work. If you do find something that works I'd be pleased to hear it. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:31:56 -0000 Hello. 2011/11/12 10:05:19 +0100 "C. P. Ghost" => To Allen : CPG> > Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... CPG> CPG> Yes, but I guess that Linus probably used early versions of SunOS 4 CPG> which were not only BSD-based, but also not yet SysV-ied. According to "Just for fun" book, he was taking functions from the SunOS functions reference and implementing them from scratch but according to that specs. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 16:02:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880B91065670 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpistanbulbilisim@setrow.com) Received: from mgw02-46.relay02.setrow.com (mgw02-46.relay02.setrow.com [212.252.24.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04608FC08 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mgw02-46.relay02.setrow.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.5r16) id hnqc8c12p1c3 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:02:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:01:56 +0200 To: questions@freebsd.org From: =?utf-8?Q?=C4=B0stanbul_Bili=C5=9Fim?= Message-ID: <9fb4e4b1a948198c26f4d371612c402c@www.setrow.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Setrow Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk X-MAIL-INFORMATION: 45119255-7913-270-Tr-0-questions@freebsd.org-1 Delivered-To: =?utf-8?Q?=C4=B0stanbul_Bili=C5=9Fim_?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: =?utf-8?q?Kendini_=C3=96zel_Hissedenlere?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:02:15 -0000 Size =C3=B6zel b=C3=BClteni g=C3=B6rmek i=C3=A7in a=C5=9Fa=C4=9F=C4=B1daki = linke t=C4=B1klay=C4=B1n=C4=B1z:=20 T=C4=B1klay=C4=B1n=C4=B1z=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 17:46:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B49F106564A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D3C8FC0A for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so5405828gyd.13 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:46:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LUD9ybVmuHhFympYCvdSE+ictFXmuU3yV6pMiRC47hg=; b=wKFHgj8GMG6taxycmPbBskkcBCVFBgoEueqweuEBMRFdS4a1COQmIJbHinjeBTBDiu rG5ZWfq3F2FJsuFV9BTWYnko/ihbIAEvTzl7r44fhDIF4NfGBRhvyZjFNBb02JeQc7iN +6Sp4u5KCw8zsbE3kqhfpfN1aVZFweeCvAuoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.181.131 with SMTP id l3mr4377473yhm.105.1321119987967; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.138.9 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:46:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBDA9C0.8010309@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4EBD2CD8.2040209@charter.net> <4EBD4EA8.3000109@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EBDA9C0.8010309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: 8.2-RELEASE-p4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:46:29 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Now the updates for -p4 certainly should have touched the kernel, and > certainly should have resulted in an updated uname string[*]. =A0There > should also be a note about -p4 in /usr/src/UPDATING. =A0Starting to > wonder if the -p4 patches are actually available via freebsd-update(8) > -- could they have been omitted because it wasn't actually a security > fix? =A0Odd that no one would have commented in a whole month if so. I would suppose that you are right, but I'm not sure myself. Does anyone else know if p4 is available through freebsd-update? It seems like it should touch the kernel, but it definitely is not doing so. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 17:59:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEC91065670 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from anakin.london.02.net (anakin.london.02.net [87.194.255.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7552D8FC08 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by anakin.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4E1D604003AD218E; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4EBEB40C.2060100@onetel.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:40 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Bacon References: <4EBD0582.2000509@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Still stalls on xpt_config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:44 -0000 On 11/11/2011 16:39, Chuck Bacon wrote: > Magnificent! Quick and easy; not using FW anyhow (& the BIOS calls it > 1394 )-: Furthermore, we've reversed the order of disks and given them > new names. Ugh. I'll get used to it. > Many Thanks, > Chuck Bacon -- crtb@cape.com > ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY Glad to hear it. I hope you won't mind that I've cc'd the list. cheers Chris > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Chris Whitehouse wrote: >> On 11/11/2011 00:21, Chuck Bacon wrote: >>> Every 9.0 version I've tried has failed to boot, ending up with: >>> Still waiting after {60,..,300} seconds for xpt_config. >>> What's a body to do? I've tried disabling ACPI, going single, >>> safe mode. All on my ASUS M4A785TD-EVO mobo with some amd64 x4. >>> Any additional info I can provide? >> >> Try disabling firewire in your BIOS. If that lets you boot then >> rebuild your kernel without device sbp and re-enable firewire. >> >> Chris > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 22:22:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF34106566C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD058FC0C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A4C1E36E for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:22:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id pACMMfBV002267 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:22:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:22:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111112232241.19243c95.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EBE2D07.8080005@comcast.net> References: <4EBE2D07.8080005@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:22:43 -0000 On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:23:35 -0500, Allen wrote: > I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say > you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read > them. I'd recommend "Just for Fun", "A Quarter Century of Unix" and also > the DVD "25 Years of Berkeley Unix", and a few others mentioned already. For more details about SysV and explaination of historical contexts I may append: The magic garden explained. The internals of UNIX System 5 release 4. by Benny Goodheart & James Cox. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 12 22:50:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B80A1065670 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340308FC16 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE2D6E80DA6; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:50:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:50:37 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Mike Jeays Message-ID: <20111112225037.GB19409@thought.org> References: <20111111231010.GA12204@thought.org> <4B80DED0-6D11-4B44-8168-36E8105F13FD@mac.com> <20111111201524.42221073@napoleon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111111201524.42221073@napoleon> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:50:39 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 08:15:24PM -0500, Mike Jeays wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:15:24 -0500 > From: Mike Jeays > Subject: Re: anybody know howto do eazy abbrevs? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:23 -0800 > Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > "hw r u gys dng?" > > > > > > into: > > > > > > "how are you guys doing? > > > > Assuming you've got emacs installed: > > > > info emacs -s abbrev > > > > Regards, > > -- > > -Chuck > > sorry, i should have been more direct and asked 'whose code should i steal'? or should roll my own? on my EEE-900A I'Ve got 137 std abbrs and sevral custom abbreviations. (since this is sound-only, 'thr' can mean 'there' or 'their' or 'they're' ;_) gary > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > The :ab command in vi will do this; you can build them into a .exrc file. > > See http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch30_31.htm > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community.