From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 00:22:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA04806 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:15 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA04798 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:12 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16942; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:22:09 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08405; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:22:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA16996; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:53:29 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506180653.IAA16996@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? To: dbaker@concorde-mail.neosoft.com (Daniel Baker) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:53:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jun 17, 95 10:28:26 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1563 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Daniel Baker wrote: > > > then just use 'ifconfig' > > on the lp0 network device on each machine > So I just type in: > ifconfig lp0 > > > and assign each an address and set it to point-to-point mode.. > How do I do that? > Do I make up an address? > Should one be a slip server? > > Why am I clueless? > :-) Because you didn't read the man page for ifconfig? ;) IFCONFIG(8) UNIX System Manager's Manual IFCONFIG(8) NAME ifconfig - configure network interface parameters SYNOPSIS ifconfig interface address_family [address [dest_address]] [parameters] ... So, it's basically the same as for a SLIP: ifconfig lp0 inet 1.2.3.4 1.2.3.5 uriah # ifconfig lp0 inet uriah pinky uriah # ifconfig lp0 lp0: flags=851 mtu 1500 inet 193.175.26.65 --> 193.175.26.71 netmask 0xffffff00 uriah # ifconfig lp0 down uriah # ifconfig lp0 delete uriah # ifconfig lp0 lp0: flags=810 mtu 1500 You'll get the addresses from your local network manager. The usual way is to assign names to the addresses, too (unlike my demo line above, but as in my real-life example). If you don't have a network manager, and you are not connected to the internet, use addresses out of the range 192.168.*.*. (Don't use an address ending in .0 or .255 - they are reserved.) Get a good book about Internetworking... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 00:22:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA04816 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:15 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA04799 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:13 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16946; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:22:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08408; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:22:10 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA17023; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:56:13 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506180656.IAA17023@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Why does every packet have so many options? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506172259.SAA01783@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 17, 95 06:59:27 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 353 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Charles Henrich wrote: > > Why is it that All FreeBSD packets have a zillion options set in them, while > most other vendors packets are "clean" ? Huh? Is it just me only who cannot parse that sentence? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 00:22:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA04880 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:22 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA04865 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:21 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506180722.AAA04865@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: mv /USA/CA/94523/phk /DK/4200/phk To: phk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1620 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Core & Hackers, I have now come to an agreement with TFS that I'm not to be financially ruined because they change their plans, so barring any last minute reversals for which time is running out anyway, I will be moving back home to Denmark in two weeks time, seven and a half month late. It's been an extremely awarding 16 months for me here in California, FreeBSD has cleared a couple of hurdles and releases, I suddenly have a small family and I can now confidently say: "Been there, done that." I will be installing and maintaining the image system I have helped build, for at least the next 20 months at the customer site in Denmark, starting July 7th. This means that I will step out of the "fast lane" and into the more pedestrian tempo of a remotely connected core-team member, earning at the same time, I presume, the right to complain bitterly whenever the gang in SF is having fun without me, something I now know takes a lot less effort to do, than it does to be part of that same "fun". I will have a lot of ideas and less time to FreeBSD I'm afraid, but I will try not to turn into a "Terry mk.II" :-). I would like to thank two people here "in public": Julian: Got me into this mess in the first place. Thanks! Jordan: With a friend like you there is little need and room for foes. See you both in Denmark ! Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 01:20:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA05923 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:20:39 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA05916 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:20:35 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA00882 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:20:49 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506180820.BAA00882@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: MOtherboard FAQ To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 358 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk Some one posted to one of the FreeBSD lists a motherboard FAQ out of use net.... well, I just went hunting for over an hour and could not find it. Can someone please email me a pointer to it??? Thanks, -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 02:55:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA08860 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:55:26 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA08854 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:55:23 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA03045; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:55:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA00687; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:55:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199506180955.CAA00687@corbin.Root.COM> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why does every packet have so many options? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 95 08:56:12 +0200." <199506180656.IAA17023@uriah.heep.sax.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:55:37 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As Charles Henrich wrote: >> >> Why is it that All FreeBSD packets have a zillion options set in them, while >> most other vendors packets are "clean" ? Because most other vendors don't have support for TCP extensions. If you wish to disable the options, you can do so by changing the "tcp_extensions" option in sysconfig from "YES" to "NO". -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 03:00:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA09019 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 03:00:22 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA09009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 03:00:20 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA17868; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:25:42 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506180955.TAA17868@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:25:42 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506162115.PAA17715@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> from "Alan F Lundin" at Jun 16, 95 03:15:34 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 662 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Alan F Lundin stands accused of saying: > > And there's no way to ask... there's a way to figure it out that mostly > > works, but which can run into LCF problems. > > If there's no way to ask, how does DOS do it? > Or does DOS just ask the BIOS to do it? That's right. > --alan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 03:41:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA09697 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 03:41:32 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA09691 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 03:41:20 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA17942; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:01:34 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506181031.UAA17942@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: too many open files To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:01:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506180146.LAA17170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 18, 95 11:16:23 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1493 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith stands accused of saying: > > Mark Hittinger stands accused of saying: > > I still wonder if some other parameter is being consumed other that > > file descriptors. It would be nice if we could get some sort of "lsof" > > port or some system call to spew a list of open file descriptors out > > in a readable dump file. > > This actually sounds awfully familiar; I blew up a 2.0 box using ncftp (as > a user) attempting to mput a fairly large directory (the 2.0.5 src > distribution, actually 8) in passive mode to an FTP server that doesn't > support passive mode. ncftp not being overly bright tried & failed once > for each file; the first many just gave 'passive mode refused' errrors, > but then there were some errors being reported by socket() (no free file > handles or similar), followed by a trap 12. I've just tested & verified that this was a 2.0 problem. Old ncftp's (1.8.3 in this case) had a FD leak under this situation; running under 2.0.5 fails to kill the system, and the newer ncftp doesn't have the problem at all (it swaps to non-passive mode after the first failure) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 04:19:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA10503 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:19:20 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA10497 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:19:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04936; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:17:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:05:09 EDT." <199506180405.AAA00470@rwwa.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:17:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4934.803474240@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The summary of my problem is that I get ``ed0 timeouts'' nomatter > what combination of userconfig and boardsetups I do. Usually, after > this happens, the board has gotten set back into NE2000 mode. > > Why is this so hard? Because I think something significant with the ed0 driver changed somewhere; I can't get my Compex card here to work anymore either. I'll talk with David about this when I return to the U.S. I'm sure it's something fairly simple. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 05:55:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA12062 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 05:55:32 -0700 Received: from deep-thought.demos.su (root@deep-thought.demos.su [192.91.186.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA12056 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 05:55:27 -0700 Received: by deep-thought.demos.su id QAA01622; (8.6.11/D) Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:55:13 +0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: Organization: DEMOS Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:55:12 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? Lines: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 293 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 06:23:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12640 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:23:30 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12631 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:23:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01366 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:16:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199506181316.JAA01366@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5R -- Filesystems getting scrambled... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:16:55 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Doing a ``find / -type f -print | xargs cat >/dev/null'' causes a panic because of scrambled filesystems. 2.0.5R, Pentium 75Mhz, ``Sis'' [?] chipset, 24 MB memory, onboard ide, WD caviar 1.22G drive. System installs OK, comes up OK, and a manual fsck *before* doing the above looks OK. After the panic and reboot FSCK reports essentially a trashed disk (Inode 2 unknown type, etc...). This is obviously a showstopper problem for me, since I have no way of knowing what specific feature of the above pipeline is causing the scrambling, and so I have no way of knowing if some other innocent software or bumbling user will also scramble my file systems... (Aside: Does the FBSD group regression-test the OS? I have reported other problems caused by the above pipeline in the past.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 06:30:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12915 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:30:24 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12906 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:30:14 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA29323; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:27:34 +1000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:27:34 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506181327.XAA29323@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). The i386 changes are small - mainly better support for passing parameters in registers and popping parameters in the callee. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 07:54:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA14823 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 07:54:42 -0700 Received: from argus.iadfw.net (root@argus.iadfw.net [204.178.72.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA14817 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 07:54:39 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA01646 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:54:36 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199506181454.JAA01646@argus.iadfw.net> Subject: need a repost of recent Motif anouncement To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 594 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I remember getting a message, i think in freebsd-announce, within the last two weeks concerning a version of Motif [not the SWiM version] that is for sale on CD and is compat with 2.0.5R. I cannot find this message, and would really appreciate a repost [I'll buy ya a beer someday].. Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@argus.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 08:44:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16290 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:44:22 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16284 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:44:21 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13600 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:48:01 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506181548.LAA13600@haven.ios.com> Subject: Weird stuff (system time is too high). To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 11178 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, May be this is related to the problem I wrote here about a couple of days before - mysterios system locks .. I don't know. Anyways , for 10 hours sytem here has percentage of system time as high as 80 percent. No idle time. The same time I can't find any resource consuming processes on the system. There about 17 users now logged in , and pstat shows ~11000 vnodes , while on the similar system under latest SNAP there are only ~9000 of them and ~25 users on-line. I suspect that the system moves now toword lockup because of something ... probably some deadlocks in the kernel and too many processes having to wait for the resource to be freed ? How can I trace the kernel ? Is there a way to find the reason for such behavior ? System has QUOTAs switched on 5 FS, this is P90/128Mb RAM Bustec SCSI 946C + 2 Barracudas ( 1Gb + 4 Gb). X11 is working as well ( but it has nothing to do with it , since when the system time jumped that high , X11 wasn't active). Just in case some guru will read this stuff , here comes the output from few commands: Oh , f****k ! The system time've just returned to it's usual value, as well as load average ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sun Jun 18 11:37:24 EDT 1995 =-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =============== UPTIME ========================== 11:37AM up 2 days, 20 mins, 15 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.19, 0.69 =============== PS =========================== PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 0 ?? DLs 0:00.00 (swapper) 1 ?? Is 0:03.70 /sbin/init -- 2 ?? DL 0:10.09 (pagedaemon) 3 ?? DL 0:03.09 (vmdaemon) 4 ?? DL 15:42.09 (update) 47 ?? Ss 0:01.05 routed -q 78 ?? Ss 0:09.03 syslogd 84 ?? Is 0:00.05 portmap 93 ?? Is 0:19.19 inetd 100 ?? Is 0:06.80 cron 102 ?? Is 0:00.04 lpd 105 ?? Is 0:05.02 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) 113 ?? S 0:00.80 telnetd 147 ?? Is 0:00.05 ypserv 150 ?? I 0:00.03 yppasswdd 160 ?? Is 0:01.35 /usr/local/etc/httpd/httpd 805 ?? S 0:00.26 telnetd 1086 ?? S 0:00.59 telnetd 1096 ?? I 0:00.12 rlogind 1161 ?? S 0:00.40 telnetd 1215 ?? S 0:00.22 telnetd 1272 ?? I 0:00.10 popper -T300 -b/etc/pop 1282 ?? S 0:00.03 comsat 1283 ?? S 0:00.23 telnetd 1285 ?? I 0:00.07 telnetd 1301 ?? I 0:00.13 telnetd 1324 ?? S 0:00.16 telnetd 6426 ?? IW 0:00.05 telnetd 6847 ?? S 0:03.38 telnetd 7733 ?? I 0:00.34 telnetd 8714 ?? S 0:03.40 rlogind 9360 ?? S 0:01.35 telnetd 9836 ?? IW 0:00.04 telnetd 15854 ?? IW 0:00.04 telnetd 26118 ?? S 0:00.98 telnetd 9368 p1 Is+ 0:00.49 /usr/local/bin/menu 14751 p1 S+ 0:04.78 /usr/local/bin/irc 1284 p2 Is 0:00.30 -tcsh (tcsh) 1299 p2 S+ 0:00.09 rlogin mail.sas.upenn.edu -l smfriedm 1300 p2 S+ 0:00.06 rlogin mail.sas.upenn.edu -l smfriedm 1162 p3 Is+ 0:00.57 /usr/local/bin/menu 1254 p3 S+ 0:00.30 /usr/bin/telnet 3523 p5 S+ 0:02.42 /usr/local/bin/lynx 26133 p5 Is+ 0:00.54 /usr/local/bin/menu 1216 p6 Is 0:00.31 -tcsh (tcsh) 1232 p6 S+ 0:14.03 trn 838 p7 Is+ 0:00.47 /usr/local/bin/menu 1214 p7 S+ 0:00.27 /usr/local/bin/pine 1302 p9 Is+ 0:00.45 /usr/local/bin/menu 1326 p9 I+ 0:00.09 /usr/local/bin/irc 6451 pa S+ 0:02.63 sz dp2e.zip gns-kngp.zip mist0695.zip tm420-1.zip tm42 6855 pa Is 0:00.42 /usr/local/bin/menu 7517 pa I 0:00.21 -bin/csh 126 pb Is+ 0:00.69 /usr/local/bin/menu 1343 pb S+ 0:00.17 /usr/local/bin/pine 7744 pc Is 0:00.43 /usr/local/bin/menu 9401 pc I 0:00.08 -bin/csh 9451 pc I+ 0:00.28 telnet pueblo.xerox.com 7777 1354 pd S+ 0:00.04 /bin/sh load_an 1357 pd R+ 0:00.00 ps -ax 8737 pd Is 0:00.49 -tcsh (tcsh) 11660 pd I 0:00.30 -su (csh) 12019 pd S 0:01.40 -csh (tcsh) 1108 pe Is+ 0:00.42 /usr/local/bin/menu 1160 pe I+ 0:00.05 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/download 1164 pe S+ 0:00.32 /usr/local/bin/sx winpoem.zip 1109 pf Is 0:00.45 /usr/local/bin/menu 1135 pf I+ 0:00.09 -bin/csh 1350 ph I; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:53:30 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26999 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:52:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:52:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199506181552.LAA26999@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Hardware Reboots Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Lyndon writes.... >Relay cards are good in some situations, however I think we're >still interested in emulating the behaviour of programs like FDISK >that force a cold start of the system. > >I've stumbled across two systems now that won't handle software >reboots properly. One is an EISA P90 running BSD/OS 1.1, the other >a PCI running FreeBSD 2.0-R. (Actually, make that three. The third >is a PCI P90 based on the Triton chip set.) FreeBSD 2.0 tries unmapping >all the VM page maps. This doesn't work. The reboot code in FreeBSD >2.0.5-R has changed enough that these machines now reboot. I haven't >examined the source yet to see what they are doing differently. > >Regardless, there should be a documented way to achieve a cold >restart via software ala FDISK. In my case, I'm not concerned about >reinitializing the I/O boards - I just want the machine to be able >to reboot after a panic without needing a helping hand. > >Getting back to relays, one place the simple relay card would be >useful would be in situations where we have PC's deployed as >routers in remote locations. I have to wonder if such a product is >worth the cost of obtaining UL and CSA certification for. I can't >see anyone making a lot of money off such a beast. > FDISK does not do a cold restart...it just does more stuff than a pure soft reset. The problem that you are having with your cards cannot be corrected by the soft procedures mentioned. In BSD/OS, there is a driver function which gets called on a shutdown or reboot which the driver should use to reset the card. The problem is typically with shared ram cards...theres an initialization problem with some bios which causes the read to fail if the shared ram card memory is active. If you can disable the ram (a card reset should do this) then the system should reboot properly. I don't believe that FreeBSD has such a function...but its a good idea. Of course this all is based on the assumption that there is someone there to soft reboot, or that you CAN soft reboot. The purpose of a watchdog timer is for those times..... dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 09:07:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA17512 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:07:31 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA17506 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:07:29 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id MAA13838; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:04:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Daniel Baker cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Daniel Baker wrote: > > Combine the "setup for dial-in" FAQ and the slip-server FAQ, both > > available on www.freebsd.org and you will be in business. Its not tough > > at all (or the directions are excellent, or both) > Should I set it up for modem dialin or dumb terminal dialin? The laplink > cable will go into my com2/cuaa1 > > Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. Okay, If you are using the YELLOW laplink cable, you are doing this parallel, if you are using the BLUE cable [4 heads] you are doing this serial. If you are doing it serial, you should set your port to be a dumb terminal on both ends which basically just means you are setting the baudrate as high as you can go, most likely 115kbaud. Whether you are using a cuaa1 device or the lp0 device [for the parallel port deal] you will need to setup two IP addresses [if you are not connecting to a larger network, especially the internet]. Actually to be on the safe side, use IP addresses in the 100.x.x.x block which have been assigned for non-live internet usage. Anyway, two IP addresses say 100.1.1.2 and 100.1.1.3 on each machine. run ifconfig [device] ipaddress1 ipaddress2 and on the other ifconfig [device] ipaddress2 ipaddress1 I don't remember if both machines can just slattach at that point at the whole thing works. I would think you might have to use sliplogin on one of the machines which will set the IP addresses for you if you set it up correctly [as in the FAQ] the other machine can just ifconfig and slattach after a sliplogin and everything *should* work. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 10:15:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20488 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:15:58 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20478 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:15:57 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506181715.KAA20478@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka" at Jun 18, 95 04:55:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 272 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk No. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 10:19:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20742 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:19:30 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20733 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:19:29 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506181719.KAA20733@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506181327.XAA29323@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 18, 95 11:27:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 397 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). > 2.7.0 -- no way. 2.7.1 -- maybe 2.7.2 -- probably. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 10:44:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22584 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:44:21 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22572 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:44:11 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA03288; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:40:59 +1000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:40:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506181740.DAA03288@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? Cc: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). >> >2.7.0 -- no way. >2.7.1 -- maybe >2.7.2 -- probably. I want to get correct support for freebsd in it (it still has a 1.x freebsd.h with the most inappropriate parts `#if 0'ed...). 2.7.1 may be too late to start. 2.7.0 may be too late to start. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 10:58:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23449 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:58:59 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA23441 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:58:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506181758.KAA23441@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 95 03:40:59 +1000." <199506181740.DAA03288@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:58:57 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). >>> >>2.7.0 -- no way. >>2.7.1 -- maybe >>2.7.2 -- probably. > >I want to get correct support for freebsd in it (it still has a 1.x >freebsd.h with the most inappropriate parts `#if 0'ed...). 2.7.1 may >be too late to start. 2.7.0 may be too late to start. > >Bruce I second Bruce on this. We have a "stable" branch now, so there is no harm in bringing a new gcc in now on the 2.2 branch. The sooner we know about the problems in the 2.7 series, the sooner we can work to get them fixed and report them back to the FSF. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 10:59:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23543 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:59:43 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23522 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:59:38 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id TAA03588; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:59:26 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199506181759.TAA03588@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: disk handling program To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:59:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, faq@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506160246.TAA03119@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 15, 95 07:46:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 368 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > There are two ways to get it right: > > A: Create a msdos partition, and delete it from FreeBSD. > > B: Boot freebsd with -v and look at the "bios-geometry" table > it prints at the end, find the right one for this particular > drive and use that. > I tried this on a 2Gig Quantum.The funny thing is taht both ways yield different geometries :-( -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:06:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA24110 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:06:41 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA24104 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:06:39 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02058; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:06:52 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506181806.LAA02058@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@freefall.cdrom.com, ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506181758.KAA23441@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 18, 95 10:58:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1087 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >>> I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). > >>> > >>2.7.0 -- no way. > >>2.7.1 -- maybe > >>2.7.2 -- probably. > > > >I want to get correct support for freebsd in it (it still has a 1.x > >freebsd.h with the most inappropriate parts `#if 0'ed...). 2.7.1 may > >be too late to start. 2.7.0 may be too late to start. > > > >Bruce > > I second Bruce on this. We have a "stable" branch now, so there is > no harm in bringing a new gcc in now on the 2.2 branch. The sooner > we know about the problems in the 2.7 series, the sooner we can work > to get them fixed and report them back to the FSF. And I third this, the 2.2 release branch is not due for release rolling for at least 3 months *NOW* is the time to start playing with a new compiler, not 2 months from now when it would be getting close to branch again. The only way to get a new gcc tested out is to get the masses using it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:23:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA24911 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:23:16 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA24905 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:23:13 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id CAA08532; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:23:04 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:22:59 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How does the disk IO clustering work? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There's a mention that this was reimplemented in the "What's new in the VM system" doc that was posted here some time ago. What are the optimal ufs tunefs/mkfs/newfs parameters to get the best advantage from this? I remember reading the Sun white paper on their implementation some time ago. They needed special "rotdelay" and "maxcontig" parameters. Is there a difference in the layout from a 2.0R built filesystem? Is there anything to be gained by dumping everything to tape and rebuilding the partitions? (assuming there's a layout difference). The system that I'm using has a file system built like this: jhome # tunefs -p /dev/rsd0h tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time jhome # I dont know how it was built - but it would either have been made by 2.0R, or converted via fsck -c2 from a 1.x file system. (Julian?) Thoughts? -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:33:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA25715 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:33:35 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA25708 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:33:34 -0700 Received: from gecko.DIALix.oz.au by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQyurq15708; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:33:29 -0400 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by gecko.DIALix.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) with ESMTP id CAA09627 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:31:50 +0800 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id CAA08727; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:31:46 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:31:40 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: benchmarks, shared libs, optimizations etc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [Note: this is an old message that has been sitting around for a few weeks waiting to be sent. It was about the time when the "Why Linux benchmarks faster than freebsd" threads. Oh well. here it is anyway... Please bear in mind that it was "thinking aloud" - I offer it only as food for thought, I'm not advocating some suggestion that we must change it this way.] I've been thinking about some of the shared library loading issues kinda on the back-burners for the last week or so. I just thought I'd mention some of the ideas.. Linux has a special system call to load a shared lib, and it understands both linux-a.out and linux-elf formats. As I understand it, the kernel allocates some fixed address space, which it uses for all subsequent processes that use the same library. This has some advantages: 1: It can share the page tables in that area during a context switch, making it faster. 2: PIC can be done away with, or it can be relocated just once. 3: library attaches for new processes can be rather quick, as it probably wont relocate or modify page tables. 4: It's just about as fast using sun-style shlibs (a.out or elf) as it is with static SVR3-style libs. [re note 3: what I meant whe I wrote that, was that the loader could relocate it once and use the same addresses continuously, with no need to copy-on-write it in each address space, and no need to make pic references to the data section] Anyway, freebsd uses mmap() (as do sun, svr4, etc) to pull the file into a different virtual address on each invocation, reloacates each time, and so on. The freebsd system could be modified, quite transparently, and without breaking anything, and without needing a new syscall. (Remember, I'm just tossing ideas around..I know there are problems). OK.. Add a new flag to mmap.. Say MAP_SHLIBCACHE. When ldconfig is run at bootup, it goes through the entire library path, and because it's euid = root, it gets the kernel to allocate some fixed, persistant address space for the library. ldconfig could relocate the code and/or maybe allocate some space for the global offset tables (in swap, ram or some file.. whatever). I'm not suggesting that they be locked into memory.. Just allocate the space. Then, a user process, calling mmap(), can have it intercepted by the kernel noticing the same vnode, and can link the existing pages to the address space. If the relocation has been done in the image that it gets, then it's finished, and needs not much more initialisation . Doing it this way allows new or replaced, or custom libraries to work transparently. The only thing that's changed is that the pre-configured objects are pre-configured. It might be that global offset tables might need to be pre-relocated and saved somewhere by ldconfig (/var/run/ld.so.got) and also "cached" via mmap() too. I have not thought too much about that. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:34:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA25767 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:34:18 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA25761 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:34:16 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA18253 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:34:09 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id UAA14935 ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:34:08 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506181834.UAA14935@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: How does the disk IO clustering work? To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:34:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Jun 19, 95 02:22:59 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 591 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > jhome # tunefs -p /dev/rsd0h > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 You can push this to 8 > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms You should lower this to 0. > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% Now the default is 8%. There is another parameter that can be set only at newfs time : -n 1 -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:48:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26348 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:48:55 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA26341 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:48:51 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA04440 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 04:46:20 +1000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 04:46:20 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506181846.EAA04440@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: overheads for various serial line protocols Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This was originally send to freebsd-bugs, which is the wrong place, and it bounced for unrelated reasons. Subject: Re: Changed information for PR misc/292 >Synopsis: rfc1323 and rfc1644 support can confuse terminal servers w/SLIP >State-Changed-From-To: open-closed >State-Changed-By: davidg >State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 16 22:58:46 PDT 1995 >State-Changed-Why: >As mentioned in the PR, this isn't a bug in FreeBSD and the decision on >this is that TCP options negotiation should remain enabled. It does seem rather wasteful for slip. The overhead is about 4% for the default mtu. At 115200 bps, as measured by ttcp -r for 80 packets of size 8K: protocol mtu throughput -------------- ---- ----------- cslip 552 9.98 K/sec cslip/no rfc 552 10.39 cslip 1500 10.76 cslip/no rfc 1500 10.92 For catting and `rz -q'ing /kernel, and for larger `ttcp -r's. -------- overheads (%) ------- 86DX2/66-16550 486DX/33-16450 --------------- -------------- protocol mtu throughput r w r w -------------- ---- ----------- ---- ---- ---- ---- cat - 11.25 6.7 2.9 20.3 15.6 cslip 1500 10.76 6.7 3.6 21.5 16.7 pppd 1500 10.74 9.1 4.3 26.2 18.2 ppp (no pred1) 1500 10.80 11.3 6.6 28.6 21.7 zmodem - 10.73 11.4 5.8 27.6 19.2 The overheads were measured by counting to 1 or 2 billion in the background (this takes about 150 seconds on an idle machine) and measuring the relative slowdown. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 11:57:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26872 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:57:03 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA26862 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:56:59 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id CAA09843; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:56:42 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:56:40 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: Ollivier Robert cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How does the disk IO clustering work? In-Reply-To: <199506181834.UAA14935@blaise.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Jun 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > > > jhome # tunefs -p /dev/rsd0h > > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 > > You can push this to 8 > > > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms > > You should lower this to 0. Thanks! > > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 > > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% > > Now the default is 8%. Just as a btw, I remember it being 5% for a while. When I looked at the code, I thought I read that if the minfree was <= 5%, then the auto switch from space to time was disabled. I know there was some sort of hysteresis(sp?) problem as well. I've seen both of these on SVR4 systems - if you set minfree to 5%, it will automatically shift from time to space, but will never shift out automatically. At 6% it shifted out Ok, but it oscilates too quickly. > There is another parameter that can be set only at newfs > time : -n 1 Damn! Drat! Thanks, -Peter > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 13:36:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA02300 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:36:45 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02290 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:36:39 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30751>; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:37:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R -- Filesystems getting scrambled... In-Reply-To: <199506181316.JAA01366@rwwa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Jun 1995, Robert Withrow wrote: > Doing a ``find / -type f -print | xargs cat >/dev/null'' causes a panic > because of scrambled filesystems. > > 2.0.5R, Pentium 75Mhz, ``Sis'' [?] chipset, 24 MB memory, onboard ide, > WD caviar 1.22G drive. Not on every system. On a 486SLC 2/66 with a cyrix mathco, 4 megs of RAM, local bus EIDE and a Maxtor 540Meg drive runing 2.0.5R, it completed flawlessly. > This is obviously a showstopper problem for me, since I have no way of > knowing what specific feature of the above pipeline is causing the > scrambling, and so I have no way of knowing if some other innocent > software or bumbling user will also scramble my file systems... Nothing in that pipeline should even modify the filesystem. Check RAM, cache, and cache settings. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 13:38:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA02426 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:38:35 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02396 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:38:29 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30751>; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:39:29 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Peter Wemm cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How does the disk IO clustering work? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > jhome # tunefs -p /dev/rsd0h > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% > tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time > jhome # > > I dont know how it was built - but it would either have been made by > 2.0R, or converted via fsck -c2 from a 1.x file system. (Julian?) > > Thoughts? > > -Peter > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 15:18:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06259 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:18:50 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06251 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:18:48 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA22047; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:19:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:19:24 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199506182219.SAA22047@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0 Sound driver Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I remember Amancio and some others were working on the 3.0 alpha version of the audiovox sound driver, especially in the areas of the GUS/GUS MAX support. Does anyone know what's become of this effort, and if there is a fully (or close to fully) working version of it yet? I'd really like to have most aspects of my sound driver working. When I used the 3.0.2 version, everything seemed fixed except cat >/dev/audio. Anyone out there using this? Thanks... -matt -- Matthew C. Mead | Network Administration: Virginia Tech Center for | Transportation Research -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 15:54:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07302 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:54:03 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAB07295 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:54:00 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30810>; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:54:57 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Peter Wemm cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How does the disk IO clustering work? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > > There is another parameter that can be set only at newfs > > time : -n 1 > > Damn! Drat! According the manpage this is by default 1 already. Presumably systinstall would use this default. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 16:16:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA08058 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:16:00 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA08050 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:15:58 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25154; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:02:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199506182302.QAA25154@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 Sound driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:19:24 EDT." <199506182219.SAA22047@Glock.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:02:42 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> "matthew c. mead" said: > I remember Amancio and some others were working on the 3.0 alpha > version of the audiovox sound driver, especially in the areas of the > GUS/GUS MAX support. Does anyone know what's become of this effort, and if > there is a fully (or close to fully) working version of it yet? I'd really > like to have most aspects of my sound driver working. When I used the > 3.0.2 version, everything seemed fixed except cat >/dev/audio. Anyone out > there using this? Thanks... > > There are a few issues involved at least on my end: o The lack of technical specs for the GUS MAX codec. I have to order it. Jim Lowe I believe has the specs for the GUS MAX's codec. o A couple of minor releases from Hannu proved to be too difficult to integrate into FreeBSD in a timely fashion for the 2.0.5 release. o We keep getting into problems with the way that we devised to implement dual dma operations and as it stands it is best to re-code dmabuf.c to support dual dma operations. A while back I mailed to Hannu and I came to the conclusion that the fastest way to provide dual dma operations is thru the current existing mechanism;however, with the GUS MAX is time to do it the "right" way. o Right now , I don't have a lot of time to work on the sound driver so at least progress on my end is going to be slow. When I have something that is worth releasing to the group,I will be happy to post it.Till then you either going to have to be a little patient or sharpen your pencils :) Cheers ------------- Amancio Hasty Hasty Software Consulting Services Tel: 415-495-3046, Fax 415-495-3046, Cellular, 415-309-8931 e-mail: hasty@star-gate.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 18:05:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA13193 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:05:37 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA13178 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:05:34 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43025>; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:05:27 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26774; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:16:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199506171516.RAA26774@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Truncated hostname in lookups? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:33:45 +0200." Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:16:42 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > --multipart/mixed > --text/plain > Strange... I received this bounce when I tried replying to > Julian's message. Doing an nslookup on his hostname works, but it > seems sendmail is barfing on the long address (it is cutting off the > "de" country code). Well, I just read this from the list, A few days ago my IP provider (the local uni) had a problem, & although I could rlogin to freefall, I was getting no mail, & also had no login directory (I guess an NFS mount had failed), perhaps that was it, sorry for any inconvenience, Oh & it didnt just affect you, a couple of src-ctm's didnt arrive either, (had to ftp'em), I have no idea how much more stuff bounced (1 other local friend phoned in to report a bounce). In case it helps: Recommended (usually with a .forward to regent) Alternate (often with a .forward to vector, though the .f keeps disapearing) Localhost My SL/IP connected host (connected usually about once a day) I believe regent has an MX record for me (not sure how I check tho'), So I thought I didn't need to assert a Reply-To: field. Julian Stacey From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 18:41:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15175 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:41:27 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15169 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:41:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02970 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:44:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199506190144.VAA02970@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:44:05 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Problem: scrambled filesystems result from doing: ``find / -type f -print | xargs cat >/dev/null'' I've tried several things (listed shortly) and keep getting the same basic problem (either panics due to scrambled filesystems, or the command completes, but a following ``fsck -n'' shows all kinds of corruption. The curruption is still there after a re-boot. Often the system isn't able to sync out the final disk blocks (it says ``giving up''. The fsck errors seen are always on either the /dos filesystem, the /usr filesystem, or both, but *never* on the / (root) filesystem. Also, booting on dos and running scandisk never shows any problems (and running some of the dos software whose file are mentioned on the fsck output is ok too). What I've tried: (each time, I install the ``minimal'' distribution, reboot, fsck -n, do the above command, and if it completes, fsck -n again. Nothing has seemed to make any difference. Note that the system installs correctly (and fsck -n reports *no* errors) and seems to work fine (like I can install emacs, look at files, etc). Things only seem to turn to poop when I do the above. Since nothing I've tried seems to have any effect, I think I am barking up the wrong URL. Could this be geometry related or something? 1) Kept 24MB and turned off the cache (int and ext). 2) Removed 16MB (leaving 8mb), cache on. 3) "" , cache off. 4) 24 MB and the system bios setup in ``slow'' mode. [was it ever]. 5) 24 MB and the system bios setup in ``fast'' mode. 6) 24 MB and changed out the drive cables (what the heck, it was worth a shot, given the recent discussion stating that 98% of failures are connector related...) More complete hardware description: Motherboard vendor unknown (says P54CS-PIO) with AMI bios, 1.20 3/21/95, 75Mhz Pentium, 24MB 2-1x32 and 2-2x32, 256K cache. On the PCI is a diamond 1Mb S3 based vga card. On the isa is a SB16 clone and a WE8013 clone. The drive is a WDC-AC31200F (2484,16,63) translated to (621,64,63). Disk layout is: wd0s1 /dos 159M wd0s2a / 30M wd0s2b swap 96M wd0s2e /usr 937M Aside from the normal boring isa probe info (which I didn't write down), the pci probe says: pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=bridge [not supported] pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=bridge [not supported] pci0:7: vendor=0x1095, device=0x640, class=storage [not supported] vga0 rev 0 int a irq11 on pci0:15 pci0: uses 8388608 bytes ff000000 upto ff7fffff Ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 19:01:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA16000 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:12 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15994 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:09 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04865; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00928; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199506190201.TAA00928@corbin.Root.COM> To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:44:05 EDT." <199506190144.VAA02970@rwwa.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:25 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Problem: scrambled filesystems result from doing: >``find / -type f -print | xargs cat >/dev/null'' > >I've tried several things (listed shortly) and keep getting the >same basic problem (either panics due to scrambled filesystems, >or the command completes, but a following ``fsck -n'' shows all >kinds of corruption. The curruption is still there after a re-boot. >Often the system isn't able to sync out the final disk blocks (it >says ``giving up''. The fsck errors seen are always on either >the /dos filesystem, the /usr filesystem, or both, but *never* >on the / (root) filesystem. Also, booting on dos and running >scandisk never shows any problems (and running some of the dos >software whose file are mentioned on the fsck output is ok too). ... >Ideas? Yeah, try not mounting your dos filesystem and see if that makes any difference. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 20:17:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA18762 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:17:13 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA18754 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:17:09 -0700 Received: from espresso.eng.umd.edu (espresso.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.13]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA18901; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:17:00 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by espresso.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id XAA08758; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:17:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Marty Leisner cc: dennis , "Alok K. Dhir" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <9506171706.AA06643@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Marty Leisner wrote: > > >>> > >There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every > >product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with > >HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make > >you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. > >so what are you waiting for? > > > >Dennis > > > HP is only the standard for PCL. The Apple laserwriter is a generally > accepted postscript standard... > However, a LaserJet with a Postscript cartridge is pure heaven! And if you get it used, it's real cheap! > marty > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 18 23:37:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA29059 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:37:00 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA29051 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:36:58 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA06334; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:36:27 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:36:25 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: ncurses 1.9.1 shared libs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just installed the ncurses 1.9.1 libraries, utilities and man pages on my 2.0.5R system. Is there a way to create the shared libs with this package? I have libncurses.so.2.0 and libncurses.so.3.0 from the 2.0.5 installation. Is there a need to update these with the 1.9.1 code? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 00:51:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01573 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 00:51:03 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA01567 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 00:50:57 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA07319; Mon, 19 Jun 95 09:50:39 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA05209 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:02:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:02:40 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506190802.KAA05209@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: majordomo loop Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I talked to root@news.hanse.de - they had a temporary misconfiguration of their aliases file (swapped entries) which was leading to these recent majordomo welcome messages that were fed back to the list. They said they fixed the problem. -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 01:14:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA02636 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:14:27 -0700 Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.7.230]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA02629 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:14:20 -0700 Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes D-66041 Saarbruecken, Germany Received: from macrosun.ee.uni-sb.de with SMTP by uni-sb.de (5.65++/UniSB-2.2/9502015) id AA18374; Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:13:57 +0200 Received: by ee.uni-sb.de; Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:17:57 +0200 From: "Joachim Koenig" Message-Id: <9506190817.AA26266@microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de> Received: by microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de; Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:17:29 +0200 Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:17:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506161929.AA16085@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 16, 95 12:29:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 880 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Marty Leisner wrote: >And parallel ports can go at about 100Kbytes/second...which is >about the speed on an ethernet that's doing anything things... > They can go at up to 500Kbytes/sec in standard mode, if you have a chip with a parallel port fifo (eg SMC37FDC66[56] Superio chips) that does the neccessary handshaking in hardware. The 100Kb speed stems from the fact that you have to do at least 4 to 6 ISA bus accesses for data/status/control. The parallel port protocol spec allows for the above 500Kb. With ECP/EPP you can go up to as high as 2MB/sec, but none of the available printers from HP and Lexmark do support that yet. Joachim -- email: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de University of Saarland, Germany, Europe phone: +49 681 3023043 suffering should be creative, fax: 2678 should give birth to something good and lovely From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 01:25:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA03310 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:25:36 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA03304 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:25:25 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA08829; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:55 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:55 +0800 From: Brian Tao Message-Id: <199506190824.QAA08829@aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: StarDivision office suite for FreeBSD? Organization: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone heard of this StarDivision company or has any information on them or their product mentioned in the following snippet? [...] >Just read in the German linux group that around August, StarDivision is >supposed to release their office suite for a variety of unices, including >linux. That's the same office suite IBM recently licensed for OS/2, and >which beats the living sh*t out of MSware when it comes to running with >little resources. [...] -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 02:11:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA04942 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:11:14 -0700 Received: from iiit.swan.ac.uk (root@iifeak.swan.ac.uk [137.44.100.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA04930 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:10:43 -0700 Message-Id: From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:58:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199506162152.XAA05538@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 16, 95 11:52:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1210 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Due to the currently very limited scope of the isdn driver (only > german switch protocols, only a very limited range of hardware > supported), this is unlikely to happen. (And then: it's the problem > of those who're going to distribute those binary versions.) > > It's not our problem if the defenders of the GPL are unable to read > their own license. :-) I can read licenses thank you. The US/UK definitions of 'seperate works' is such that a BSD kernel linked with the GPL'd driver and distributed must be done so under the GPL. As a pile of source trees the case is less clear. --- These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 02:25:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA05565 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:25:35 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA05555 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:25:28 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA01507 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:22:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199506190922.AA01507@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:22:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: Robert Withrow "Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems." (Jun 18, 21:44) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Robert Withrow Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 18, 21:44, Robert Withrow wrote: } Subject: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. } Problem: scrambled filesystems result from doing: } ``find / -type f -print | xargs cat >/dev/null'' } } Motherboard vendor unknown (says P54CS-PIO) with AMI bios, 1.20 3/21/95, } 75Mhz Pentium, 24MB 2-1x32 and 2-2x32, 256K cache. On the PCI is a } diamond 1Mb S3 based vga card. On the isa is a SB16 clone and a } WE8013 clone. The drive is a WDC-AC31200F (2484,16,63) translated to } (621,64,63). Disk layout is: } wd0s1 /dos 159M } wd0s2a / 30M } wd0s2b swap 96M } wd0s2e /usr 937M } } Aside from the normal boring isa probe info (which I didn't write down), } the pci probe says: } pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=bridge [not supported] } pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=bridge [not supported] } pci0:7: vendor=0x1095, device=0x640, class=storage [not supported] The bridge devices generally need no driver, since they are initialized by the BIOS at POST. The storage class device could be an PCI IDE controller that emulates an ISA device. The [not supported] just tells about the PCI chips that are found when scanning the bus, but many of them need no PCI driver "support". Does anybody have a list of vendor IDs ? had no luck trying to locate one on the net. } Ideas? Not regarding your original problem, sorry. STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 02:40:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA06350 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:40:03 -0700 Received: from iiit.swan.ac.uk (root@iifeak.swan.ac.uk [137.44.100.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA06281 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:38:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:27:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506170757.AAA06597@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 17, 95 00:57:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1009 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > That is why the GENERIC kernel does not have any GPL code linked into > it. And why for so long we would not even allow GPL code in the > kernel source tree. [Which given light of this recent harrasement > from the GNU folks I would just as soon go back to as a safety policy] For similar reasons with GPL code, I have to keep a very tight control on non GPL code getting into the system. Its cuts both ways and where there are overlaps its messy. Much better to ask the author to put it under a dual copyright like the fpu emulator. That is clean and solves the problems for everyone providing the author is willing. > Please go read GPL version 2.0 section 2.0B and tell me this again.... > it makes the whole of the work fall under the GPL, and that is *NOT* > what we want! Actually at least in UK law (and I think US) if someone else goes off and violates the license the rest of the code doesnt magically become GPL, it merely means you could get told to cease shipping violating copies. Alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 03:04:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA07564 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:04:43 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s31.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.41]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA07551 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:04:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03400; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:18:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199506191018.LAA03400@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Network Coordinator cc: Daniel Baker , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:04:21 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:18:41 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. > > Okay, If you are using the YELLOW laplink cable, you are doing this > parallel, if you are using the BLUE cable [4 heads] you are doing this > serial. > Does anyone have a wiring schema of the parallel laplink cable? Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 06:01:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA14965 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 06:01:59 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA14959 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 06:01:55 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA22872; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:56:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? To: Marc van Kempen cc: Network Coordinator , Daniel Baker , hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506191018.LAA03400@nietzsche> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > Okay, If you are using the YELLOW laplink cable, you are doing this > > parallel, if you are using the BLUE cable [4 heads] you are doing this > > serial. > > > > Does anyone have a wiring schema of the parallel laplink cable? it is documented in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/lpt.c at the top of the file. thanks poul! Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 06:42:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA17253 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 06:42:29 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA17244 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 06:42:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA01941 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:43:57 -0400 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA01194 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 06:29:28 -0400 Received: (from httpd@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA08866 ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:27:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:27:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199506191027.DAA08866@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Good FAQ and Homepage but..... From: m9510164@edu.cc.uec.ac.jp (WWW Form) To: www@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The machine this came from was: tremaine.cc.uec.ac.jp I have went through most of your html files about installation of Free BSD, but I have a problem with my own computer at home.....I read through all of the FAQ about the CD-ROM reader, but I guess no one had any problem like mine. Let me tell you what it says on the screen when I try to install bininst from the CD-ROM. sea0:1:0 (cd0) timed out sea0:1:0 (cd0) timed out Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =0x8 fault code =supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =0x8:0xf01b06bf code segment =base 0x0,limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =DPL 0, pres 1, def 32 1, gran 1 processor eflags =interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 current process =34 (mount_cd9660) interrupt mask =bio panic: page fault syncing disks ......2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 giving up reboot in 15 seconds.... Let me show you the system setup that I have. NEC Ready P60 Mini tower 8M Ram With Western Digital HD(ide)<850 MB and 420 MB> NEC Multi Spin 4X scsi cd-rom Future Domain scsi with bios(it's one of those mentioned as usable scsi board.) That's about what I have for my system. It would be really appreciable if you guys could help me out in any way. I will check back on this home page often. If you are able to send a mail then the address is m9510164@edu.cc.uec.ac.jp Thank you so much for having this Home page. Atsuto Miyata From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:13:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA18917 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:13:02 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA18910 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:12:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04039; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:15:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199506191415.KAA04039@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: davidg@root.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:01:25 PDT." <199506190201.TAA00928@corbin.Root.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:15:07 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk -------- > Yeah, try not mounting your dos filesystem and see if that makes any > difference. Bingo! What gives? How does reading from the /dos filesystem clobber the /usr filesystem? Does this bug show up on all systems? Shouldn't this be flagged in red in the installation info? P.S. thanks for the info. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:34:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA20272 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:19 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA20251 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:16 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA05383; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA02241; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199506191434.HAA02241@corbin.Root.COM> To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:15:07 EDT." <199506191415.KAA04039@rwwa.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:33 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Yeah, try not mounting your dos filesystem and see if that makes any >> difference. > >Bingo! What gives? How does reading from the /dos filesystem clobber >the /usr filesystem? Does this bug show up on all systems? Shouldn't >this be flagged in red in the installation >info? Um, well, if we knew it was *that* broken, I suppose. I don't really know why it is clobbering things, but a quick guess would be that it is using old vnodes that have been reclaimed...but I really have no idea. We've known that msdosfs is broken for sometime - but not in this particular way. "Oh well". :-) -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:51:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21857 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:51:17 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA21849 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:51:15 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15022(1)>; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:50:28 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23484; Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:50:18 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24009; Mon, 19 Jun 95 10:53:51 EDT Message-Id: <9506191453.AA24009@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:42:12 PDT." <199506170642.IAA07242@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:53:45 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So should I be able to install the 2.05R kernel in /, call is kernel-2.05 and then do boot wd(0,a)/kernel-2.05... If the system utilities (I assume things like ps? pstat?) are broken, it should be relatively easy to replace them with utilities from another directory... Is there a good list of what "doesn't" work...? marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:52:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21987 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:52:16 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21936 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:51:45 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA10030; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:51:26 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:51:25 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? In-Reply-To: <199506170828.BAA06765@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Have you ever read the GPL? Do you understand what it says? Do you > like 5 page licenses with all sorts of legaleize in them that even > drives a lawyer nuts? So much for "free software" the FSF so dearly likes to promote... -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:55:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22330 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:55:12 -0700 Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22321 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:55:06 -0700 Received: from [192.245.33.12] by gateway.cybernet.com (8.6.8/1.0A) id LAA08008; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:28:44 -0400 X-Sender: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:55:16 -0400 To: Marc van Kempen From: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> > >> > Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. >> >> Okay, If you are using the YELLOW laplink cable, you are doing this >> parallel, if you are using the BLUE cable [4 heads] you are doing this >> serial. >> > >Does anyone have a wiring schema of the parallel laplink cable? > >Marc. > > >---------------------------------------------------- >Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl > >He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. In DOS 6.x: help interlnk (look at the end of the 'notes' section) How nice of them (Microsoft/IBM) to provide it... ;) (it is the same cable that LapLink uses- I've use it for both LapLink and InterLink) -Mark Taylor mtaylor@cybernet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 07:56:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22427 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:56:47 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22420 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:56:40 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA06908; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:49:49 +1000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:49:49 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506191449.AAA06908@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: davidg@root.com, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Yeah, try not mounting your dos filesystem and see if that makes any >> difference. >Bingo! What gives? How does reading from the /dos filesystem clobber Next try mounting it read-only. If there is a bug in msdosfs, then it might corrupt the buffer or vnode cache. Then reading of other (POSIX) file systems would probably corrupt them when the access time stomps are updated even if you don't do any explicit writes. msdosfs doesn't have access time fields so it wouldn't be affected. >the /usr filesystem? Does this bug show up on all systems? Shouldn't Of course not. >this be flagged in red in the installation >info? Yes. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 08:48:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24526 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:48:44 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24520 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:48:43 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA20521; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:13:21 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506191543.BAA20521@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:13:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506191453.AA24009@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 19, 95 07:53:45 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1400 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Marty Leisner stands accused of saying: > > So should I be able to install the 2.05R > kernel in /, call is kernel-2.05 > and then do > > boot wd(0,a)/kernel-2.05... Er, no. There's a *lot* more to it than just that. Face it; you will _have_ to make a backup, and newfs at least your root filesystem. If you set things up properly, you'll only be overwriting the old 2.0R install anyway. If you had a seperate /usr, newfs that as well. (I've found a 400M combined root & usr works well for a fairly seriously configured 2.0.5 system; this gives you room for source and a fair pile of application.) > If the system utilities (I assume things like ps? pstat?) > are broken, it should be relatively easy to replace them > with utilities from another directory... This is a really stupid idea; you'll end up with a horibble mix of versions, and us poor bastards will die trying to work out your problems. (I would imagine, for instance, that init would probably be one of the first things to break.) > marty -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 09:34:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27676 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:34:11 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27667 ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:34:10 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506191634.JAA27667@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? To: wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl (Marc van Kempen) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nc@ai.net, dbaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506191018.LAA03400@nietzsche> from "Marc van Kempen" at Jun 19, 95 11:18:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 366 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have a wiring schema of the parallel laplink cable? It's in src/sys/i386/isa/lpt.c -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 09:44:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28542 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:44:08 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28533 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:44:05 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30757>; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:45:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Marty Leisner cc: Joerg Wunsch , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd In-Reply-To: <9506191453.AA24009@gnu.mc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Marty Leisner wrote: > So should I be able to install the 2.05R > kernel in /, call is kernel-2.05 > and then do > > boot wd(0,a)/kernel-2.05... > > If the system utilities (I assume things like ps? pstat?) > are broken, it should be relatively easy to replace them > with utilities from another directory... > > Is there a good list of what "doesn't" work...? No there isn't. I wouldn't attempt this myself because: - 2.0.5R has a lot bugfixes and new features outside the kernel - bad reactions between 2.0R stuff and 2.0.5R will be difficult to track down. But that's just my opinion. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 09:54:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29312 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:54:24 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29304 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:54:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04509 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:55:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199506191655.MAA04509@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update: 2.0.5 scrambled filesystems. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 1995 07:34:33 PDT." <199506191434.HAA02241@corbin.Root.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:55:29 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Um, well, if we knew it was *that* broken, I suppose. I don't really know > why it is clobbering things, but a quick guess would be that it is using > old vnodes that have been reclaimed...but I really have no idea. We've known > that msdosfs is broken for sometime - but not in this particular way. "Oh > well". :-) For this who may want to work around this in the interim (until there is a fix (;-)), I found that if I turn off LBA mode and reload the dos partition, (with all the restrictions that implies), the problem *does not* occur. [Perhaps the new slicing code is not quite--emmm--robust yet?] I would have done that sooner, but I wanted to be relatively sure that the system would run 2.0.5 incase I wanted to return it to the dealer... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 09:59:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29806 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:59:19 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29800 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:59:17 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id MAA22230; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:56:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Duplicates on Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is it just me or is everyone getting sets of duplicates of messages posted to hackers? -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 10:17:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00460 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:17:40 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00454 ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:17:38 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id MAA23298; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:17:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:17:31 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506191717.MAA23298@plains.nodak.edu> To: jkh@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Length: 463 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > The summary of my problem is that I get ``ed0 timeouts'' nomatter > > what combination of userconfig and boardsetups I do. Usually, after > > this happens, the board has gotten set back into NE2000 mode. I had a real SMC8013 do the ed0 timeout problem, turns out something in the boot sequence reconfigured the card's soft IRQ setting back to 5 eventhough I move kernel and card's IRQ to 9 after installing the FreeBSD from the net using IRQ 5. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 10:21:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00693 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:21:21 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00687 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:21:20 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01504 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:08:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199506191708.KAA01504@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Will MH go to Hollywood? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:08:12 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, A student group has provided a cool interface to image and voice to exmh . If you want to know more about it here is their html: http://www.cdt.luth.se/~mattias/mmexmh/index.html There is only one problem their exmh extensions were written for Solaris. So anyone wants to take a crack at it for FreeBSD? About the mpeg stuff, I should be able to handle the mpeg display stuff. If anyone does decide to work on it please let me know. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 11:10:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02641 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:10:39 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02634 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:10:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09823 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:11:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Prev-Resent: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:10:59 +0100 Prev-Resent: "hackers@freebsd.org " Received: from gate1.internet-eireann.ie (gate-1.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.254]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09502 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:12:07 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by gate1.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA08283 for jkh@whisker.internet-eireann.ie; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:13:03 +0100 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by gate1.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26651 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:39:30 +0100 Received: (from chapman@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA23164; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:36:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:36:07 -0500 From: Mark Chapman Message-Id: <199506191536.KAA23164@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: jkh@whisker.internet-eireann.ie Subject: Re: SB16 problems ... is there a fix yet? Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc In-Reply-To: References: Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Resent-To: hackers@freebsd.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:11:00 +0100 Resent-Message-ID: <9821.803585460@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Resent-From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I remember having problems with this in 1.1.5.1. From memory, the solution was to add several calls to "tenmicroseconds()" within the sb.c files and then recompile the kernel. It seems that the DMA calls would execute too fast for the SB card to keep up after the first buffer full (1 second or so). I have not ever had this problem on my 486 DX2/66 with FreeBSD 2.x. I do not have my kernel sources handy to get the details, but I can look when I go home if you want. - Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 11:16:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02937 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:16:45 -0700 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA02925 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:16:30 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.140) with smtp id ; Mon, 19 Jun 95 20:16 MEST Received: by sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de; id AA04427; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:16:09 +0200 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <9506191816.AA04427@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: freebsd and memory To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:16:09 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2261 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello again i some months before asked some questions about freebsd's memory handling and shared libs etc. in the news - and now again some questions and (evtl. ideas) (i hope that i'm not boring you) * is FreeBSD using demand paging for it's shared libs - i don't think (i can overwrite the libs while they are used - and this is'nt working under Linux for instance which seems to use demand paging for shared libs) - if not (and that's what i think) - is anybody working on that - or can tell me why it will not go (if not) - i think it would be a good option for small-in-memory systems - because this way they don't have to do so much with their vm system (pagein/out) - i say this because i'm still looking for the difference between Linux and FreeBSD at this point - Linux produces binaries of nearly exactly the same size - but - at a nearly exact system it starts much later swapping than FreeBSD - and thus is a bit faster than it (for smaller systems) - because it can take a bigger win of it's merged vm/buffer cache (better - advantage from the cache part) - i mean - at a 16mb linux system there are normally around 3m for disk buffers - but at a nearly exact same FreeBSD machine (same config - same hardware) - the system is heavyly swapping (sorry - paging) and there's nearly no memory used for buffering - that's why linux looks better --> can anybody please explain me the difference - why is this so (and it is so - i know it from my own experience) * can anybody please explain me how exactly the memory management, swapping, paging, shared libs, demand paging is working at FreeBSD - i know a bit in general about it but i'd like to understand how FreeBSD is doing it and which tricks it is using thanks in advance - t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 11:32:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03631 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:32:09 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03623 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:32:06 -0700 Received: (dyson@localhost) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) id LAA05790; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:31:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:31:57 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199506191831.LAA05790@Root.COM> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, graichen@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de Subject: Re: freebsd and memory Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD uses both a buffer cache and a VM cache. It is probably using more than 3MB for its buffer cache on a 16MB system. The kernel data structures on FreeBSD are not small either. Note also that FreeBSD does NOT defer updates to filesystem metadata. Linux does -- so it is more possible to have stale metadata on a Linux disk. FreeBSD also starts filesystem writes almost immediately when a file is written to (actually when a cluster is completed.) I think that Linux waits until a sync occurs (or the "sync" daemon runs.) I have been pondering the relative merits of different policies for filesystem I/O. Some experiments that I have run show that if the data needs to be non-volatile on the disk that the system is faster to do the I/O like FreeBSD does. If the data is volatile, it appears to be faster to do the I/O like Linux does. (These are just heuristic type off-the-cuff observations.) John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 12:04:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04557 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:04:54 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA04548 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:04:46 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sNm5B-000HyrC; Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sNlqe-000209C; Mon, 19 Jun 95 20:47 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: bad main memory and 2.0.5 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:46:59 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1792 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So i wanted to install 2.0.5 on a brand new Pentium HP Vectra VE 5/75 equipped with some assorted peripherals and goodies on the mainboard. The machine ran Windows without problems for a week now, and i left space on a 2nd partition onto which i wanted to install 2.0.5 today. When booting from the boot floppy, the install crashed or halted at several stages: - /: write: file system full - page fault while in supervisor mode - cursor in lower left with blue empty screen between pages, frozen - unable to newfs the disk due to wrong disk geometry - or simply just hanging somewhere in the menus It was really getting frustrating. Almost any time the machine froze, i was able to get a pop-up window when pressing CTL-ALT-DEL ("Do you want to exit installation ?"). I removed every unused driver booting with -c, no change. I removed every unused piece of hardware, no change. At a time when there was nothing more to change but the CPU and the memory, i replaced the memory - and - from then on i had NO problems installing 2.0.5 anymore. I could not believe it! I checked other SIMM's but all other ran, with parity, without parity and with dummy parity. The SIMM's which did not "run" were NEC chips, the ones which do run are Goldstar and TI, ALL (!) of them with the same access time of 70ns. I still cannot believe it ... Just a thought: in this situation i missed a menu item in the very first install menu giving me just a shell. (Yes, i know ...) Otherwise: very very well done! Congratulations core team! That must have been very hard and boring work, but once it works ;-) it's very nice! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 12:05:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04586 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:05:04 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA04578 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:05:02 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sNm5D-000I27C; Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sNlNC-000208C; Mon, 19 Jun 95 20:16 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: StarDivision office suite for FreeBSD? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:16:34 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506190824.QAA08829@aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> from "Brian Tao" at Jun 19, 95 04:24:55 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 907 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Brian Tao: > Anyone heard of this StarDivision company or has any information > on them or their product mentioned in the following snippet? > > [...] > >Just read in the German linux group that around August, StarDivision is > >supposed to release their office suite for a variety of unices, including > >linux. Yes, it's a Hamburg based software company who does (from what i hear and see) a complete line of office products (edit, paint, calculate etc.), also i saw some advertizement (Dr. Dobbs) from them for a platform independent GUI tool- kit running on various DOS/Windows/Unix platforms. If i recall it correctly, they made some agreement with IBM recently to port their complete line to OS/2. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 12:06:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04768 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:06:27 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04762 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:06:25 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA02845; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:01:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:01:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: mailing list numbers To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk curiosity numbers: 1199 subscribed to FreeBSD announce 500+ subscribed to FreeBSD hackers 500+ subscribed to FreeBSD questions 20147 subscribed to all the lists mail queue commonly has over 1000 entries with a number of hosts timing out during connection--come on guys, keep those machines up. :^) 1300 messages inbound turned into 218,000 outbound--ouch! 4.2 MB -> 524 MB -- can you say hackers-digest jmb ps. ( pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. ) Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 12:13:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05078 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:13:01 -0700 Received: from kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.13.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05070 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:12:56 -0700 Received: (from vazquez@localhost) by kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA02819 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:57:40 -0300 From: Pedro A M Vazquez Message-Id: <199506191857.PAA02819@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Subject: Re: OpenGL on i386 free Unix (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:57:37 -0300 (EST) Organization: Instituto de Quimica Unicamp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1255 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello Should we put some pressure on Metrolink? Pedro Holly Robinson said: > From holly@chickadee.metrolink.com Mon Jun 19 15:14:29 1995 > Posted-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:10:37 -0300 > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:26:55 GMT > From: holly@chickadee.metrolink.com (Holly Robinson) > Message-Id: <199506191826.SAA11089@chickadee.metrolink.com.metrolink.com> > To: vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br > Subject: Re: OpenGL on i386 free Unix > X-Mailer: XALT Mail [Version 1.3b] > X-Stamp-Id: 3 > > > Hello > > Is there any chance Metrolink will do a port of OpenGL for > > other popular free Unix like FreeBSD? > > > Well, never say never... but I doubt it. We've not supported FreeBSD in the > past, and there is no talk at present about including it in our product > offerings. > > Please contact me if you have further questions or if you want to place an > order. Thank you! > > <><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><> > > Holly Robinson > Metro Link Incorporated > Email: holly@metrolink.com > Web: http://www.metrolink.com/ > > 4711 N. Powerline Rd. <> Fort Lauderdale, FL <> 33309 > <> Phone: 305-938-0283 <> Fax: 305-938-1982 <> > > <><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><>=<><><> > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 13:23:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA08972 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:23:07 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08965 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:23:03 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06642 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:34:44 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA06449 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:23:36 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA06509 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:01:27 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA00815 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:43:31 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506191943.VAA00815@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: where's the doc To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:43:29 +1596657 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 466 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Definitely stupid question: where on ftp.freebsd is the docset for 205R ? Having to grab it while at work (== limited time to search) I'd appreciate a pointer Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 13:37:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09760 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:37:41 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA09749 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:37:36 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12703; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:37:32 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA24298 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:37:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA11861 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:58:23 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506191958.VAA11861@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: freebsd and memory To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:58:22 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506191816.AA04427@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> from "Thomas Graichen" at Jun 19, 95 08:16:09 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 581 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Thomas Graichen wrote: > > * is FreeBSD using demand paging for it's shared libs - i don't think ... I think there's now nothing at all that's not demand-paged, except accessing the raw device. I have no idea however, why it's possible to overwrite a shlib. IMHO the vnode should be locked as BUSY, like any executable. (Well, Terry, it actually should be pre-faulted to swap. :-) John didn't mention this in his reply, though. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 13:45:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA10249 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:45:23 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10241 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:45:18 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12932; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:45:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA24432; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:45:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA12569; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:43:16 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506192043.WAA12569@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: where's the doc To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:43:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506191943.VAA00815@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 19, 95 09:43:29 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 377 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Hi > > Definitely stupid question: where on ftp.freebsd is the docset for 205R ? > Having to grab it while at work (== limited time to search) I'd appreciate a > pointer ...FreeBSD/2.0.5-RELEASE/FAQ/Text -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 15:11:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA13180 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:11:16 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13172 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:11:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA10124; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:11:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hm@altona.hamburg.com cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Subject: Re: bad main memory and 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:46:59 +0200." Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:11:20 +0100 Message-ID: <10122.803599880@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Otherwise: very very well done! Congratulations core team! That must have > been very hard and boring work, but once it works ;-) it's very nice! Thank you, it was indeed somewhat hard and definitely very boring.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 15:15:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA13585 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:15:22 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA13576 ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:15:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:15:21 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506192215.PAA13576@freefall.cdrom.com> To: vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br Subject: Re: OpenGL on i386 free Unix (fwd) Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Should we put some pressure on Metrolink? I already know of at least two companies currently working on bringing certified OpenGL to FreeBSD, one of which I'm actively supporting. There are also further product plans beyond the basic OpenGL port such as Open Inventor, which is used for VRML in 3D Web space. In a pinch, you could always use Mesa, which is already in our ports collection and is looking better with each release. So I think we're set as far as OpenGL goes. Jeffrey From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 16:15:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA16760 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:15:36 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA16747 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:15:34 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04927; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:13:51 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506192313.QAA04927@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506191453.AA24009@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 19, 95 07:53:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 555 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > So should I be able to install the 2.05R > kernel in /, call is kernel-2.05 > and then do > > boot wd(0,a)/kernel-2.05... > > If the system utilities (I assume things like ps? pstat?) > are broken, it should be relatively easy to replace them > with utilities from another directory... > > Is there a good list of what "doesn't" work...? get new copies of route and routed so that when you come up you can start the nets to get more stuff :) > > > > marty > leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com > Member of the League for Programming Freedom > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 16:17:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA17195 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:17:01 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA17183 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:16:59 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43025>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:16:37 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26774; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:16:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199506171516.RAA26774@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Truncated hostname in lookups? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:33:45 +0200." Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:16:42 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > --multipart/mixed > --text/plain > Strange... I received this bounce when I tried replying to > Julian's message. Doing an nslookup on his hostname works, but it > seems sendmail is barfing on the long address (it is cutting off the > "de" country code). Well, I just read this from the list, A few days ago my IP provider (the local uni) had a problem, & although I could rlogin to freefall, I was getting no mail, & also had no login directory (I guess an NFS mount had failed), perhaps that was it, sorry for any inconvenience, Oh & it didnt just affect you, a couple of src-ctm's didnt arrive either, (had to ftp'em), I have no idea how much more stuff bounced (1 other local friend phoned in to report a bounce). In case it helps: Recommended (usually with a .forward to regent) Alternate (often with a .forward to vector, though the .f keeps disapearing) Localhost My SL/IP connected host (connected usually about once a day) I believe regent has an MX record for me (not sure how I check tho'), So I thought I didn't need to assert a Reply-To: field. Julian Stacey From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 16:22:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA18362 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:22:57 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA18348 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:22:55 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00724; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:22:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:22:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199506192322.QAA00724@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de CC: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199506060928.AA04221@FileServ2.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> (esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de) Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 * > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 * > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). * > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. * > ncr0: restart (fatal error). * > ncr0: reset by timeout. Just FYI (as I "seconded" the movement to bash the ncr code :). This problem seems to have disappeared recently. I was away for a week, so I'm not exactly sure if it's before or after the release. At least, my 53c825-based no-name card with an Atlas 2.1G survived half a dozen reboots (including one cold boot) without a hint of this error since last weekend. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 16:24:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA18704 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:44 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA18698 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:43 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04958; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:23 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506192324.QAA04958@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: How does the disk IO clustering work? To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Jun 19, 95 02:22:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 664 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > jhome # tunefs -p /dev/rsd0h > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% > tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time > jhome # > > I dont know how it was built - but it would either have been made by > 2.0R, or converted via fsck -c2 from a 1.x file system. (Julian?) ah I think it was a 386bsd 0.1 pl23 system actually.. (not totally sure) :) I find -a 64 -d 0 works real well. :) > > Thoughts? > > -Peter > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 16:36:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA20566 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:36:11 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA20556 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:36:09 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA08474 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:35:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:35:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199506192335.TAA08474@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: CDROM Availability Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is the 2.0.5R CD-ROM available yet? If not, when? thanks, Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 17:41:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA00685 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:41:46 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA00663 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:41:37 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA04985; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:40:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: Satoshi Asami cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? In-Reply-To: <199506192322.QAA00724@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have had this error on the 810 every day since last wed when we started using the drivea little harder.. to bad no one will fix the broken code in the driver. On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 > * > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 > * > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). > * > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. > * > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > * > ncr0: reset by timeout. > > Just FYI (as I "seconded" the movement to bash the ncr code :). This > problem seems to have disappeared recently. I was away for a week, so > I'm not exactly sure if it's before or after the release. > > At least, my 53c825-based no-name card with an Atlas 2.1G survived > half a dozen reboots (including one cold boot) without a hint of this > error since last weekend. > > Satoshi > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 18:39:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09218 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:39:39 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09210 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:39:37 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com (miles.wdl.loral.com) by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (5.x/WDL-2.4-1.0) id AA02596; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:39:05 -0700 Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA08538; Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:39:38 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd 2.0.5 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Marty Leisner wrote: > > .... > > 1) should I start off with the 2.05 kernel? > > Can I run the 2.0 release binaries with the 2.05 kernel > > (I have the November infomagic cd-rom). > > 2.0R binaries will not work with 2.0.5R kernel. > ^!!!!!!!?????? I had planned to tar off all the files I had changed or added to my 2.0R system to tape. Then reinstall them under 2.0.5. A Number of them were packages that I had to make corrections to (such as pthreads, xlockmore, asp, ....). And quit a few I just went out a picked up from the net and built (66 programs in /usr/local/bin). 1? Must everything that does not come on the distribution have to be recompiled, relinked, or what? 1.1? Will 2.0.5 binaries run under 2.1? Or will it be the same story? 2? Breaking my own rule, I have the Netscape binary that works fine for me now. Will this also no longer run? 3? Will programs that look into the kernel (xcpustate, xmeter, lsof, 4? Will the source file I use to configure a kernel still work with the 2.0.5? I ask this because I am going to have to move my BT SCSI controller to an alternate address. As such, I assume I will have to rebuild the kernel the very first time I boot up, or have to boot from floppy and use the -c flag as well. The boot manager never has worked for me. ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 19:02:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA13346 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:02:05 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA13311 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:01:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA12488 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:02:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:02:17 +0100 Message-ID: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I knew that subject line would get your attention.. :-) Actually, all I'm calling for here is the formation of some FreeBSD user groups. It occurs to me that we're lagging way behind in the "grass roots" user organization department, and while I'd like to think that this is due to our wonderful degree of organization and bundled documentation, I rather suspect that the truth is less rosy than that. I also think that it's about time we did something about it. Jonathan Bresler (whom I'd also like to take a brief moment to publically acknowledge here - he does a thankless job behind the scenes keeping our overloaded mail system running and deserves significant kudos for a job well done - way to go Jon!) recently posted a summary of our readership that was encouraging. I, in turn, took a look at the sum total of all unique users on all active lists (also counting each exploder as a single user, so the actual number should in truth be HIGHER) and saw that the current number of "readers" of our mailing lists currently stands at 2,201. Yes, that's over two thousand readers that we know about, and it doesn't even begin to try and estimate the number of USENET readers or the readers on exploder mailing lists. This tells me that we're starting to reach the level of critical mass necessary to justify a reasonable number of user groups in various parts of the world, hence this posting. First, a few answers to some of the more basic questions: Q. Why should I form a FreeBSD user group in my area? A. There are many reasons, but allow me to enumerate a few of them: 1. They're fun. User group meetings, provided that they aren't scheduled for some weird time like 6:00am every Sunday morning, are a great social event. You have a chance to meet some of the faces behind the email addresses and swap war stories about the number of times it took you to install 2.0.5R.. :-) A number of lasting friendships are also made at such meetings and god-only-knows that a few of us could certainly stand to get out of the house once in awhile. 2. They're very useful. In addition to swapping war stories, you can also exchange special tips, tricks and details on innovative uses of FreeBSD that may not have occurred to the other attendees. There's also a great multiplicative effect whereby only ONE person need know the answer to a complex question for everyone in the group to benefit from the knowledge. 3. They encourage innovation. A number of interesting sub-projects that would otherwise be too much for one person can often be accomplished by a whole user group who decides to make that project their collective goal. Numerous examples of this exist, and I believe that the Linux networking code was, in fact written by such a "club". Q. So how do I start one? Isn't it really hard? A. It's not hard at all. All it takes is for one individual in some geographic region with some reasonable concentration of FreeBSD users to post a message saying "Ok, everyone in the greater southwestern Utah area listen up! I've got permission from Sister Agnes of Our Lady of Perpetual Motion to use their wrestling arena and indoor handball court for a FreeBSD user group meeting this Thursday night! Please be there at 8pm. A postscript map giving directions can be found as a MIME attachment to this message, and Terry Lambert has graciously agreed to speak. He will be giving his 7 hour presentation on the ``Grand Unified Console Driver'' so be sure to bring a thermos of coffee!" Etc etc. From such small acorns mighty oaks often grow, and such meetings frequently turn into regular events (though Terry may or may not necessarily be invited back to speak a second time in my purely hypothetical scenario :-). It's really just a simple matter of finding a place to meet, and if a Sister Agnes isn't available to offer a room then why not simply meet at a local restaurant? The 3-4 FreeBSD core team dinners I've hosted in the San Francisco Bay Area have all gone very well, and you hardly have to be part of the core team to do the same thing. They've even been rather productive on a few occasions, with David Greenman being known to occasionally shove a laptop in Kirk McKusick's face for a spontaneous code review! :-) There are known concentrations of FreeBSD hackers in the S.F. Bay Area, Boston, Minnesota, New York, Dallas, London, Munich, Moscow and possibly even Tibet, so what are you folks waiting for? Get together! Pool your knowledge and possibly your beer money and have a good time discussing your favorite operating system! All it takes is one individual taking a little time out to organise the first one, after which any subsequent ones will surely fall into place. Once a week, once a month, even once a year - anything's better than nothing, and nothing is what we currently have just a little too much of. I will try to facilitate this whenever and however possible (if you get enough people together, heck, I might even drop by for a personal visit :-) but it's really going to come down to you folks in the final analysis. You, the users, can do a LOT to help yourselves and have a good time in the process, but you need to make the initial moves. A simple one-liner to this list saying something to the effect of: "Ok, anyone in the greater Minnesota area interested in holding a user group meeting this month, please contact me!" With your Reply-To set so that replies go to you and not the list would be a fine start. If you keep it short and simple (and remember to set that Reply-To field!) then I'm sure that the other readers of the -hackers list won't mind. If it starts becoming a high traffic affair then we'll work out some sort of user-group coordination list, but for now getting some regular user groups started is really of paramount importance. The Linux users already have numerous user groups, newsletters, books, magazines, corporate aircraft, etc. We have some T-shirts and an official CDROM. Both very nice to have, I'll grant you, but we still have quite a ways to go to catch up! :-) Thanks for listening, and PLEASE consider stepping forward to start the ball rolling in your area! Thank you, Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 19:08:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA14544 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:08:58 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA14534 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:08:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA12546; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:08:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Richard Toren cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:39:36 EDT." Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: <12543.803614139@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > 2.0R binaries will not work with 2.0.5R kernel. > > > ^!!!!!!!?????? Nicht wahr. You should, however, install the compat20 distribution if you want to run 2.0R dynamically linked binaries. That's what it's there for. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 19:40:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA18896 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:40:39 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA18889 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:40:37 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA00373 ; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:40:31 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sNt4W-0006QUC; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:29 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Calling all FreeBSD hackers in Atlanta To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 03:02:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 382 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > A simple one-liner to this list saying something to the effect of: Ok, anyone in the greater Atlanta area interested in holding a user group meeting this month, (or next month :) please contact me! T-shirts? I want one! -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 20:29:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20135 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:29:09 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA20129 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:29:05 -0700 Received: (dyson@localhost) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) id UAA06461 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:29:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:29:02 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199506200329.UAA06461@Root.COM> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd & memory Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As Thomas Graichen wrote: >> >> * is FreeBSD using demand paging for it's shared libs - i don't think ... >I think there's now nothing at all that's not demand-paged, except >accessing the raw device. Reading/writing files use similar algorithms to what is used in NetBSD and I assume BSDI. The code was made more "regular" in FreeBSD but file I/O uses the same (original) mechanisms. The demand paging is very improved, and is likely to be "different" again :-). >I have no idea however, why it's possible to overwrite a shlib. IMHO >the vnode should be locked as BUSY, like any executable. (Well, >Terry, it actually should be pre-faulted to swap. :-) We just did not set the VTEXT flag in the vnode. Actually, there are some side-effects that would need to be resolved if we supported it. (note that shared libs are mmaped with the mmap system call.) > John didn't mention this in his reply, though. Sorry... :-). John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 20:46:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20706 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:46:12 -0700 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA20700 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:46:10 -0700 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:46:03 -0500 X-Sender: wacky@shark.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:46:05 -0500 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Calling all hackers - Austin/San Antonio, Texas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Actually, all I'm calling for here is the formation of some FreeBSD >user groups. I'll start a list of "local" users. Just let me know if you want to be included. ---- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 20:56:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20948 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:56:08 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20935 ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:56:06 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506200356.UAA20935@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 03:02:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 698 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to add a couple of points to Jordans plea here: If you don't feel like doing the administrative work yourself, find some existing group and make them host a FreeBSD event. I will personally sponsor a T-shirt to the first person to successfully high-jack a Linux user-group and convert it to FreeBSD. And finally: I'm available as a speaker if you pay the transportation to/from Denmark and find me a place to sleep. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 20:58:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA21112 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:58:21 -0700 Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA21105 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:58:17 -0700 Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA02949; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:58:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Calling all hackers - New Haven/Hartford (maybe) In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone interested in the formation of a New Haven and surrounding area UG: write to me. We'll get organized and talk BSD. Marc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 22:24:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA23412 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:24:32 -0700 Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA23404 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:24:29 -0700 Received: from is1.hk.super.net by hk.super.net with SMTP id AA28811 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:24:25 +0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:24:26 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Hackers Subject: 2.0.5R Installation Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My ftp installation quit at some unknown stage and I am trying to complete by hand. 1) Do I need to newfs /usr and if so, why? ( Have newfs'd /, /usr is 2.0R fs) 2) I cannot get man to work -- it says 'unable to find the file /etc/manpath.config' which file is there, is readable by all and owned by root:wheel (I changed it to bin:bin but to no avail) no MANPATH environmental variable is set. 3) I cannot get rsh, telnet, rlogin to work on the local net -- 'shell/TCP unknown service' but ping and ftp work fine. I am trying to back up /usr remotely. I would appreciate any help. jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 01:46:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA09225 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:46:08 -0700 Received: from prinny.pavilion.co.uk (prinny.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA09217 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:46:02 -0700 Received: from line0e.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk (line0e.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.111]) by prinny.pavilion.co.uk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29942; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:47:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:47:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199506200847.JAA29942@prinny.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org From: aledm@pavilion.co.uk (Aled Morris) Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! X-Mailer: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk At 03:02 AM 20/6/95 +0100, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >There are known concentrations of FreeBSD hackers in [...]London [...] >A simple one-liner to this list saying something to the effect of: Ok, anyone in the greater London area interested in holding a user group meeting this month, please contact me! (sorry, couldn't work out how to make Eudora set "Reply-To", so... replies direct to me please, not the list!) Greater London = SE England, I guess! Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 02:12:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA11325 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:12:21 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA11319 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:12:09 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03251; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:11:28 +0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:11:27 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Thanks for listening, and PLEASE consider stepping forward to start > the ball rolling in your area! I was thinking it might be an even better idea to include any 4.4BSD user who is interested in coming out to shoot the breeze. In Toronto we already have Unix Unanimous, a monthly meeting (2nd Wednesday of each month, read tor.general for announcements) of Microsoft-haters. ;-) A lot of the folks there do run FreeBSD or NetBSD or BSD/OS. The Linux and NeXT camps already have user groups in the Metro Toronto area. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 02:16:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA11501 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:16:07 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA11495 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:15:58 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03259; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:13:18 +0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:13:17 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: hm@altona.hamburg.com cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: StarDivision office suite for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > >Just read in the German linux group that around August, StarDivision is > > >supposed to release their office suite for a variety of unices, including > > >linux. > > Yes, it's a Hamburg based software company who does (from what i hear > and see) a complete line of office products (edit, paint, calculate > etc.), also i saw some advertizement (Dr. Dobbs) from them for a > platform independent GUI tool- kit running on various DOS/Windows/Unix > platforms. Someone send them a FreeBSD T-shirt and a Daemon plushie (when it is available) as a hint. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 02:45:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA12180 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:45:27 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA12173 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:45:21 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA25087 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:44:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199506200944.AA25087@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:44:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) "Re: NCR810 problem?" (Jun 19, 16:22) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 19, 16:22, Satoshi Asami wrote: } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? } * > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 } * > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 } * > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). } * > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. } * > ncr0: restart (fatal error). } * > ncr0: reset by timeout. } } Just FYI (as I "seconded" the movement to bash the ncr code :). This } problem seems to have disappeared recently. I was away for a week, so } I'm not exactly sure if it's before or after the release. } } At least, my 53c825-based no-name card with an Atlas 2.1G survived } half a dozen reboots (including one cold boot) without a hint of this } error since last weekend. That's funny, since there were no changes to the code over quite some time. The patches I wanted to be put into 2.0.5 don't seem to have included, and so there must have been some other change of parameters ... And I've been using several Atlas drives without any problems for months. Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 02:48:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA12340 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:48:02 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA12332 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:47:41 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA25133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:47:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199506200947.AA25133@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:47:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 19, 20:40, wrote: } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? } I have had this error on the 810 every day since last wed when we started } using the drivea little harder.. to bad no one will fix the broken code } in the driver. Too bad no one will fix the broken code in the driver ??? Yes, too bad indeed ... ! May I ask, when you first reported your problem ??? As many will know, I generally respond to bug reports the same day, and often have a problem solved within hours. But not if I never hear about it ! There seem to be a few people that don't only expect their problem (most often with bad system setup or cheap peripherals, that don't comply with SCSI as understood by most other vendors) to be fixed immediately, but even expect the authors of the code to ask them whether they are fully satisfied each day. This makes me consider dropping support of the NCR driver, which I felt commited to. Such annoying behaviour has already driven away Wolfgang Stanglmeier (we wrote the NCR and PCI drivers in FreeBSD, in case you didn't know). I'm doing this work in my spare time after a regular job. I'd know better ways to spend my evenings than dealing with people of your kind. If YOU want me to look at your problem, YOU'll have to pay me, while I'll be glad to continue to help anybody else out for free, if they send a reasonable bug report and don't complain as if I had broken an expensive support contract that they paid for. Don't drive me away like Wolfgang ! The NCR driver is a complex piece of software, which gives very good performance using cheap but well designed hardware. Look at the Linux NCR driver and its (lack of) features and performance if you don't believe me. STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 03:58:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA15521 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:58:23 -0700 Received: from dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (dvals1.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.96]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA15515 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:58:22 -0700 Received: (from branson@localhost) by dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA12187 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:58:20 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199506201058.GAA12187@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Calling all Hackers in the Tidewater Va Area To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers FreeBSD) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:58:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 394 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Lets get together and see what we can see.... reply to me directly please! -branson -- MATHESON, E BRANSON E.B.MATHESON@LaRC.NASA.GOV Mail Stop 931 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORPORATION NASA Langley Research Center Assigned to Operations Support Division Hampton, VA 23681-0001 Phone +1 804 864-9700 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 04:09:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16004 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:09:27 -0700 Received: from datasrv.co.il (root@zeus.datasrv.co.il [192.114.20.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA15998 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:09:22 -0700 Received: from elexmgw.elex.co.il by datasrv.co.il with SMTP id AA11722 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:09:02 +0300 Received: from elex.co.il (tlhuph12) by elexmgw.elex.co.il (4.1/SMI-4.1-allowed) id AA05590; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:04:46 IDT Received: from cpm.elex.co.il (tlcpmfh1.elex.co.il) by elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA209536287; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:04:48 +0300 Received: from tlcpmh34 by cpm.elex.co.il with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA156826260; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:04:20 +0300 Received: by tlcpmh34 (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA03822; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:04:57 +0300 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:53:01 -0200 (IST) From: Edward Beili Subject: Looking for "Root" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I am trying to contact Edgar (Root) at with no luck. All mail is returned with: "Returned mail: User unknown" message. Could he or someone who knows his "real" address reply. Thenks a lot, sorry for bothering all of you, -Edward -- __ Edward Beili | e-mail: edward@cpm.elex.co.il _|__|_ | edwardb@cs.huji.ac.il //-0__ Telrad Telecommunication and Electronic Industries Ltd. /^^ '>> Lod, Israel | / \\ // | tel: (972) 2 363-093 (home) / \\/ | (972) 8 273-646 (work) ( //\\ \ // \\ All the opinions expressed are my own \__/ \\__..____________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 04:37:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16879 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:37:40 -0700 Received: from elbe.desy.de (elbe.desy.de [131.169.82.208]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA16873 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:37:35 -0700 From: Lars Gerhard Kuehl Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:38:28 +0200 Message-Id: <9506201138.AA22982@elbe.desy.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! Cc: jkh@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I knew that subject line would get your attention.. :-) Indeed, that's true. And I agree it's time to reorganize FreeBSD communication. A lot of problems need not to be mailed around the world, user groups are a better agent for user and hacker education. (I'm somewhat tired to read questions like "Is FreeBSD demand paging ?") Besides that discussing a serious programming problem is rather difficult via mailing lists, usually the work needs to be almost complete for terse, pertinent questions. Furthermore mails could be locally collected and be sent to the members of the user group. That may probably considerably reduce mail load of freebsd.org. For that reason: If you live somewhere in northern germany, close enough to Hamburg and you are interested in a FreeBSD user group please send mail to lars@elbe.desy.de /* Please without cc to hackers@freebsd.org * I don't want to get the mail twice. */ subject: FreeBSD user group Hamburg lars ------------ Lars K\*:uhl lars@elbe.desy.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 04:55:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA17189 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:55:20 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA17166 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:55:05 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA00275; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:35:29 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:35:29 GMT From: Root Message-Id: <199506201535.PAA00275@ns.aic.net> To: edward@cpm.elex.co.il, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Looking for "Root" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DEAR Edward, and all on the net, EXCUSE ME FOR ANY INCONVENCIES!!! Our Sun SPARCcenter was in fire two days ago, and we'vef'gd restored it today :-(. It costs to us about $34.000 :-(((((((((!!!!! EXCUSE ME again. PS Dear Edward, I will write you as soon as possible!!! :-) -edd -- Edgar Der-Danieliantz AIC Research Laboratories Inc AIC "When your Sun SPARCcenter is in fire, go to Sun and ask them, WHY???!!! + -edd From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 05:42:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA18122 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:42:28 -0700 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA18116 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:42:27 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA05793; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:42:25 -0400 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00522; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:43:30 -0400 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11599; Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:42:40 EDT Received: (from steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA09685; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:42:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:42:40 -0400 From: "Stephen F. Combs" Message-Id: <199506201242.IAA09685@combs.salem.ge.com> To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-bugs@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Problems with Installing 2.0.5R Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been trying to install 2.0.5R since last Thursday, 15 June. It's up and running but here's the problems I've been having. First, here's the hardware it's running on: DOLCH 386-33 MB w/20MB RAM, Adaptec 1542CF with BIOS Translation turned off, 2 Serial Ports, NO Parallel Ports, ATI VGAWonder XL w/1MB RAM and onboard Mouse, 3COM 3C503 (8-Bit) Ethernet, USRobotics 14,400 Internal modem w/16550Equiv, Digiboard COM-4 DUMB 4-port Serial I/O. ST31200 1.0GB SCSI-2 Disk, DEC RZ25 400MB SCSI-2 Disk, Archive 2150S QIC-150 1/4" Tape Drive SCSI-1, Sun/Sony CD-ROM SCSI-2 (external). Now the problems: 1) Infamous "missing operating system". I tried to install 2.0.5R on an old CDC WREN SCSI-1 drive which has been running FreeBSD since the days of 1.0E. I backed up the old partitions and began the install using the boot.flp image of 12 June. Built new partitions, assigned new slices, etc... System would not boot, saying "missing operating system". I had a new Seagate 31200 and decided to start fresh. Same problem! I tried again and this time went BACK to the partition table after all was installed but before rebooting and discovered that even tho I had flagged the partition as bootable, IT WASN'T marked as such after installing the distribution. I flagged it as bootable again and all was OK on the reboot! 2) Using the ST31200, I couldn't get it to accept the untranslated geometry. The system has ONLY FreeBSD on it (no DOS, no OS/2, no WinNT). The only way the system would work, is to create a 1MB DOS partition (which forced translated geometry) and then delete it and assign the entire disk to FreeBSD. 3) BIN Dist failed to install. DEBUG Screen said "gunzip: unexpeced EOF" (not exact message). Then "cpio: unexpected EOF". Re-Downloaded new bin dist and tried again (same problem). System was up enough to continue install. 4) Usr.SBin Dist failed to install with the same message as BIN Dist. After getting this series of messages, I tried to list the dist(s) on my SPARC at work. Using "zcat bin.?? | tar tf -" as the command, I got the SAME type of message with the BIN Dist on the Sun. Using the "cat bin.?? | tar ztf -" all worked OK. Same story on the "susbin.??" distribution. The listing failed on the FIRST file in the susbin distribution and on the LAST file on the BIN dist. After these tests, I completely redid the source extraction using the command "cat .?? | (cd ; tar zxf -)" and am (as I write this) doing a "make world" in the source tree. 5) XF86 Failed completely to install via the sysinstall system. I was able to extract it using the command in the Readme file just fine. FYI, the error symptom from sysinstall was an immediate return when selecting the X install. No error, no nuthin' just an immediate return to the menu. Ditto for package installs. I was able to install various packages using the old "pkg_add" command with no problem. This message is not intended to be a bitch, gripe, etc... about the install process. I happen to think (once I've/You've figured out what happened) that the install is the best yet! Beats the old 386BSD 0.1 install hands down (course, it wouldn't take much to beat that!). Overall I think 2.0.5 is quite an acomplishment! Kudos to all!!!!!! The only problem I'm seeing to-date with the system is some 'sio overruns' when my PPP link is up, I'll investigate them later...... Steve Combs Communications Analyst GE Motors & Industrial Systems Drive Systems Salem, VA Voice: (703)387-8828 Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM Internet-Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 05:54:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA18456 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:54:58 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA18450 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:54:44 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA13240 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:55:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:55:01 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506201255.NAA13240@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: anyone care to investigate this? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Path: gate2.internet-eireann.ie!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!genmagic!dvts.dvts.com!flop.mcom.com!usenet From: jwz@netscape.com (Jamie Zawinski) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Netscape - this is ridiculous Date: 19 Jun 1995 23:56:55 GMT Organization: Netscape Communications Corporation Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <1995Jun18.022947.20174@rhrk.uni-kl.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: abattoir.netscape.com In-reply-to: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de's message of Sun, 18 Jun 1995 02:29:47 GMT Xref: gate2.internet-eireann.ie comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x:641 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:3130 In comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x Christoph Weber-Fahr wrote: > > can anybody give me a good reason why Netscape Mac/Windows has nice > comfortable configuration dialogs for helper applications, while > Netscape/X doesn't, but wants me to create obscure ascii files with > undocumented syntax? Because, given the existing standards we had to get along with on Unix (the mime.types and mailcap files, which are not in common use on the other platforms) adding that interface was a lot more work on Unix than on the other platforms. I wanted to do it; I didn't have time. That sucks, and I'm sorry. > This is utterly ridiculous! No, I'm not familiar with Metamail internals, > and, given the ridiculous state of (not existing) documentation, I have not > the slightest intention to learn how to write mailcaps or mimetypes files. And the Unix world needs more people like you full of righteous indignation at the kind of crap they're expected to put up with (I'm completely serious.) > P.S. to the FreeBSD side - why does Netscape give an error message about > a failed uname() call on startup, when running on 2.0R ? It's a bug in the implementation of the uname() library routine, or something related to it. I don't know exactly what the problem is on FreeBSD, but the same problem existed on BSDI, until they fixed it. The Netscape FAQ says: * When Netscape starts up, it prints out a warning about uname, what do I do about it? The warning in question says ``netscape: uname() failed; can't tell what system we're running on.'' It means that the uname() system call has failed. If you are seeing this on a BSDI 2.0 system, you need to get system patch K200-013 from BSDI. This fixes a compatibility bug for BSDI 1.1 programs running on 2.0. This problem has also been seen on FreeBSD. We don't know of a fix there. Someone familiar with FreeBSD internals will have to figure this one out. -- Jamie Zawinski jwz@netscape.com http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/ ``A unix signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who.'' -- Chris Maeda From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:02:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA18690 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:02:14 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18683 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:02:01 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA13261 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:02:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:02:22 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506201302.OAA13261@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: more gritching on the net.. Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Path: gate2.internet-eireann.ie!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!nickkral From: nickkral@sextans.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: BUGS in FreeBSD (Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD) Date: 19 Jun 1995 18:24:18 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Science Department, University of California at Berkeley Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3s4fci$prm@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3qfhhv$7uc@titania.pps.pgh.pa.us> <3rkgc0$8o7@beethoven.orc.soton.ac.uk> <3s323f$87p@agate.berkeley.edu> <3s47ev$gi@news.nynexst.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sextans.eecs.berkeley.edu Xref: gate2.internet-eireann.ie comp.os.linux.advocacy:13014 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:3149 In article <3s47ev$gi@news.nynexst.com>, H.J. Lu wrote: >I found at least one strange bug in a BSD networking application. >It seems that the BSD system could tolerate some junks which were >rejected by Linux. I spent several hours trying to figure out why >it didn't work under Linux. The last place I checked was the BSD source >code. I couldn't believe it worked under BSD. It was a miracle :-(. Well, I found 3 in one week (well, two were actual bugs, the other was a non-feature). And I've only been using FreeBSD for 2 weeks now! So much for the stable code base that FreeBSD claims. I like Linux much better. BTW, the bugs and non-features are: Inability to turn on or off BROADCAST or POINTOPOINT flag for loopback device. Packets are still transmitted even though the UP flag is not turned on in an interface. "ifconfig -a" reports the interface as being down, but packets are still transmitted. To test this, start up a SLIP connection, then type "ifconfig sl[whatever] down" and see if you can still use your connection. You shouldn't be able to. non-feature: The "rwhod" doesn't check connections to make sure they are still valid before sending packets out. All the interfaces are registered on startup, and are never updated. (BTW, Linux has the exact same problem with it's "rwhod" command). The program was written this way, so I consider it a non-feature instead of a bug. Actually, if someone has an answer for these problems, I would really enjoy hearing them. FreeBSD has given my roommate nothing but problems (although he claims he enjoys it). :) Take care, -- Nick Kralevich nickkral@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu -- LINUX, the FREE | University of California at | Nick Kralevich Operating System of the | Berkeley. Department of | nickkral@cory.eecs. future available via anon | Electrical Engineering and | berkeley.edu FTP. Ask me about it. | Computer Science. | finger for PGP From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:06:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA18912 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:06:51 -0700 Received: from maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18906 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:06:50 -0700 Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA01136 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:58:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199506201258.IAA01136@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Yves Lepage Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:57:58 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Mcast Reply-To: yves@CC.McGill.CA Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I failed to get an answer on the questions list, let's try here: my at-work machine: FreeBSD 2.0, 2 3c509's, 40MB mem, 1.25GB IDE disk, PCI bus. The problem is that the ep driver doesn't seem to support multicast. I didn't find anything related to mcast with that driver. Is mcast something that's driver dependant or do I need a new ifconfig that'd know how to set the 2 interfaces to be mcast capable? I think not because the interfaces handled by an ed driver can have the IFF_MULTICAST flag set... Please, just enlighten me :-) Yves Lepage yves@cc.mcgill.ca From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:10:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19046 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:10:34 -0700 Received: from w8hd.w8hd.org (w8hd.w8hd.org [198.252.159.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19039 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:10:30 -0700 Received: (from kimc@localhost) by w8hd.w8hd.org (8.6.11/w8hd) id JAA05305; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:10:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: kim culhan To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: anyone care to investigate this? In-Reply-To: <199506201255.NAA13240@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > In comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x Christoph Weber-Fahr wrote: > > P.S. to the FreeBSD side - why does Netscape give an error message about > > a failed uname() call on startup, when running on 2.0R ? > > It's a bug in the implementation of the uname() library routine, or something > related to it. I don't know exactly what the problem is on FreeBSD, but the > same problem existed on BSDI, until they fixed it. The Netscape FAQ says: FWIW, on 2.0.5 -current I see no errors returned on Netscape startup. kim -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:12:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19146 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:12:57 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19139 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:12:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13352; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Beukema cc: Hackers Subject: Re: 2.0.5R Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:24:26 +0800." Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:31 +0100 Message-ID: <13350.803653951@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My ftp installation quit at some unknown stage and I am trying to > complete by hand. I could respond to these points, trying to patch you back up to a running state in stages, but I'll be honest with you - the very idea gives me the willies! The best you can hope for in this scenario is to have a system that MIGHT have all the right components installed and MIGHT work, but it's just too non-deterministic for my tastes. Please, I really recommend that you simply start over and attempt the installation again! :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:17:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19280 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:17:01 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19273 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:16:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506201316.GAA19273@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA044154283; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:18:03 -0400 Subject: FreeBSD group in New Jersey To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 03:02:17 am Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 550 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone in the New Jersey area looking to form a FreeBSD local group please reply to pechter@sesd.ilex.com. (I tried this a while earlier and got one response for the Trenton Computer festival--Looks like the Linux folks have a much better publicity department...) Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:28:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19834 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:28:18 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19808 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:28:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13479; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:26:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) cc: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:47:15 +0200." <199506200947.AA25133@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: <13477.803654805@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There seem to be a few people that don't only expect > their problem (most often with bad system setup or cheap > peripherals, that don't comply with SCSI as understood > by most other vendors) to be fixed immediately, but even > expect the authors of the code to ask them whether they > are fully satisfied each day. Don't let people like this get you down, Stefan. If I thought of leaving every time I felt like someone was making unreasonable demands on me and didn't appreciate the amount of work I was putting in for free, I'd leave every day! :-) We all appreciate the work you're doing, believe me, and we don't want to see you go! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:30:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19995 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:30:27 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19987 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:30:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA00908; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:32:00 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506201332.JAA00908@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <12486.803613737@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 03:02:17 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 625 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Yes, that's over two thousand readers that we know about, and it > doesn't even begin to try and estimate the number of USENET readers or > the readers on exploder mailing lists. And don't forget our humble little WWW server. In the last 20 days it has seen visits from 5150 *unique* hosts; no telling how many unique users. On average, it responds to about 250 requests per hour. -john PS: I'm moving to Bloomington Indiana in August. Any FreeBSD junkies there? (I know there must be from the WWW server logs...) === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ========== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:36:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20222 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:36:59 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20210 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:36:30 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA02093; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:34:42 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:34:42 GMT From: Root Message-Id: <199506201734.RAA02093@ns.aic.net> To: jkh@freebsd.org, root@ns.aic.net Subject: Re: Looking for "Root" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Oh guys, NOT $34.00!!!!!! $34000!!!!!! :-(((((( :-)))))) -edd From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:41:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20463 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:41:06 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20453 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:41:02 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA22843; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:07:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506201337.XAA22843@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:07:15 +0930 (CST) Cc: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506200947.AA25133@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 20, 95 11:47:15 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1367 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > Don't drive me away like Wolfgang ! > The NCR driver is a complex piece of software, which gives > very good performance using cheap but well designed hardware. > Look at the Linux NCR driver and its (lack of) features and > performance if you don't believe me. Stefan; I have an opposite experience to relate. I've installed FreeBSD using your driver on a number of systems now, with drives ranging from old Quantums to 9G Seagates, and quite a few between. _None_ of them have given me any trouble. One of these customers was an ex-Linux user, who spent most of the install bagging the NCR as a "piece of crap" (there is a JJJ reference there for the few of you who know who they are 8). You should have seen his face when I ran iozone. I'm afraid I don't have a picture to send you, but I _am_ thankful for the work you do. > STefan Saying thankyou properly really sounds like butt-tunnelling, I know. That's the language for you. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:43:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20608 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:43:05 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20602 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:43:01 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA22831; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:00:29 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506201330.XAA22831@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: StarDivision office suite for FreeBSD? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:00:28 +0930 (CST) Cc: hm@altona.hamburg.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 20, 95 05:13:17 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1457 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > > >Just read in the German linux group that around August, StarDivision is > > > >supposed to release their office suite for a variety of unices, including > > > >linux. > > > > Yes, it's a Hamburg based software company who does (from what i hear > > and see) a complete line of office products (edit, paint, calculate > > etc.), also i saw some advertizement (Dr. Dobbs) from them for a > > platform independent GUI tool- kit running on various DOS/Windows/Unix > > platforms. I've seen various people talking about their products in some of the OS/2 groups; by the sound of it, their package is pretty good. (Not perhaps quite Lotus SmartSuite stuff, but not bad.) > Someone send them a FreeBSD T-shirt and a Daemon plushie (when it > is available) as a hint. ;-) This would be a Really Good Idea (tm). If they came through with it, it would mean that I could go back to having two machines on my desk instead of three, and that would make me very happy 8) > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:45:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20724 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:45:59 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20716 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:45:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13607; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:45:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: kim culhan cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: anyone care to investigate this? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:10:28 EDT." Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:45:51 +0100 Message-ID: <13605.803655951@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > In comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x Christoph Weber-Fahr wrote: > > > P.S. to the FreeBSD side - why does Netscape give an error message about > > > a failed uname() call on startup, when running on 2.0R ? > > > > It's a bug in the implementation of the uname() library routine, or somethi ng > > related to it. I don't know exactly what the problem is on FreeBSD, but th e > > same problem existed on BSDI, until they fixed it. The Netscape FAQ says: > > FWIW, on 2.0.5 -current I see no errors returned on Netscape startup. jkh@whisker-> uname -a FreeBSD whisker.internet-eireann.ie 2.0.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Sat Jun 17 19:11:37 BST 1995 jkh@whisker.internet-eireann.ie:/usr/src/sys/compile/WHISKER i386 jkh@whisker-> netscape netscape: uname() failed; can't tell what system we're running on Perhaps you're not using Netscape 1.1R? I wouldn't have forwarded this if I hadn't also seen it myself.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:47:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20821 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:47:10 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20814 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:47:08 -0700 Received: from vivid.autometric.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyuyh03557; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:47:25 -0400 Received: from jester by vivid.autometric.com via SMTP (5.67a/920502.SGI) for @relay1.uu.net:hackers@freebsd.org id AA10511; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:47:04 -0400 Received: by jester (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @vivid.autometric.com:hackers@freebsd.org id AA22279; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:47:00 -0400 From: "Brian Sletten" Message-Id: <9506200946.ZM22277@jester.autometric.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:46:52 -0400 Reply-To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com X-Face: wFVAbzw-w(WA1~gdgaj^'c4X=P$j`q.EhNcjpxyW+:1qDq-ZCx[bvPi=^O$EC39vA5Vk,XC w2VGxhaJxS"^{ab.}G%vXO0E+sx--{<:#TsC@<5#W#PfVq{,i)^X{U7HkF;nI0"mj0fvb1(DvS@_H8 u`r3)}"3Af3vuz cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-bugs@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Problems with Installing 2.0.5R In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:42:40 EDT." <199506201242.IAA09685@combs.salem.ge.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:48:34 +0100 Message-ID: <13626.803656114@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 2) Using the ST31200, I couldn't get it to accept the > untranslated geometry. The system has ONLY FreeBSD on it Yeah, we're going to be working on this more in the future. Known problem, and it's a sticky one. > 3) BIN Dist failed to install. DEBUG Screen said "gunzip: > unexpeced EOF" (not exact message). Then "cpio: unexpected > EOF". Re-Downloaded new bin dist and tried again (same > problem). System was up enough to continue install. This is weird. How are you installing? Over ftp? From which site? I've had a couple of people report symptoms like this (which I'm utterly unable to reproduce) which leads me to believe that perhaps one of our mirrors has a bogus dist. > 4) Usr.SBin Dist failed to install with the same message as > BIN Dist. After getting this series of messages, I tried Ditto. Can't reproduce at all. > 5) XF86 Failed completely to install via the sysinstall > system. I was able to extract it using the command See above.. :-( > This message is not intended to be a bitch, gripe, etc... about > the install process. I happen to think (once I've/You've figured out > what happened) that the install is the best yet! Beats the old 386BSD 0.1 Thanks, though I'd still like to know why you (and a couple of other folks) are having such a hard time extracting these dists! They all work just fine for me and all the testers hanging around Walnut Creek CDROM.. The only known bug is that /usr/src/bin doesn't extract as part of the src dist, and that's been fixed. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 06:53:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA21089 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:53:41 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA21081 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:53:35 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04776; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:53:34 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506201353.OAA04776@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Just FYI, gcc 2.7.0 is out, do we plan to switch to it? To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:52:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@freefall.cdrom.com, ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506181758.KAA23441@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 18, 95 10:58:57 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1481 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Justin T. Gibbs who said > > >>> I think we should put it into 2.2 immediately (or maybe wait for 2.7.1). > >>> > >>2.7.0 -- no way. > >>2.7.1 -- maybe > >>2.7.2 -- probably. > > > >I want to get correct support for freebsd in it (it still has a 1.x > >freebsd.h with the most inappropriate parts `#if 0'ed...). 2.7.1 may > >be too late to start. 2.7.0 may be too late to start. > > > >Bruce > > I second Bruce on this. We have a "stable" branch now, so there is > no harm in bringing a new gcc in now on the 2.2 branch. The sooner > we know about the problems in the 2.7 series, the sooner we can work > to get them fixed and report them back to the FSF. I'm keen to upgrade sooner rather than later, 2.2 is a fair way off, we have time to shake out a compiler upgrade. The problem of course is that you might be banging your head against the wall thinking why your latest change is broken and it turns out the compiler is causing it. We need a way to run the old compiler in these situations to eliminate the new compiler from the equation. I alos think gcc should be ported to BSD from scratch so it's ready for multi-arch and placed properly on a vendor branch. Any FreeBSD specific fixes currently in our cvs tree need to be pulled out and passed back to the FSF. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 07:33:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22128 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:33:28 -0700 Received: from gemsgw.med.ge.com (gemsgw.med.ge.com [192.88.230.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA22121 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:33:25 -0700 Received: from gemed.med.ge.com by gemsgw.med.ge.com (4.1/GEMS-1.1) id AA01219; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:34:14 CDT Received: from sol.sol.med.ge.com (sol-gw) by gemed.med.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02663; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:34:33 CDT Received: from merak.med.ge.com by sol.sol.med.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11515; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:33:57 CDT From: laufen@sol.med.ge.com (Derek Laufenberg x7-4534) Received: by merak.med.ge.com (4.1/client-1.3) id AA23517; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:33:55 CDT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:33:55 CDT Message-Id: <9506201433.AA23517@merak.med.ge.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - Milwaukee anyone? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk OK I'll bite. Anyone in the Milwaukee area interested in a FreeBSD users meeting contact me. I will put together the list and try to find a suitable place and time. Derek Laufenberg laufen@sol.med.ge.com (414)-258-1255 leave a message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 07:41:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22586 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:41:31 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22580 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:41:27 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00607; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:41:33 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506201441.HAA00607@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - Milwaukee anyone? To: laufen@sol.med.ge.com (Derek Laufenberg x7-4534) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506201433.AA23517@merak.med.ge.com> from "Derek Laufenberg x7-4534" at Jun 20, 95 09:33:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 580 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > OK I'll bite. Anyone in the Milwaukee area interested in > a FreeBSD users meeting contact me. I will put together the > list and try to find a suitable place and time. Milwaukee, WI I take it?? Carefull, there are a lot of Milwaukee's out there and a few of them are spelled Milwaukie (my former place of residence). > > Derek Laufenberg > laufen@sol.med.ge.com > (414)-258-1255 leave a message > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:12:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA23737 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:12:57 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA23731 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:12:50 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id LAA17388; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:05:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: D.C. Area To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506200946.ZM22277@jester.autometric.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Brian Sletten wrote: > Any FreeBSD folks in the Metropolitan D.C. area want to get together? How many > are there? sure! try chuck robey as well--chuckr@glue.umd.edu evening phone 301-593-3478 Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:19:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA23907 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:19:26 -0700 Received: from deep-thought.demos.su (root@deep-thought.demos.su [192.91.186.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA23898 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:18:57 -0700 Received: by deep-thought.demos.su id TAA00323; (8.6.11/D) Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:17:45 +0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: Bruce Evans Message-ID: Organization: DEMOS Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:17:44 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 645 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Maybe it is intentional, but very unpleasant :-( New bootblocks says: partition is out of reach from the bios on old default partition: 255,1023,63 50000 Converting it to right partition via sysinstall is impossible due to different start offset. Converting it manually involves some unpleasant calculations. I forced to find and restore old boot2 :-( -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:22:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24054 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:22:01 -0700 Received: from crash.cts.com (crash.cts.com [192.188.72.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24048 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:21:59 -0700 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0sO57l-000017C; Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:21 PDT Message-Id: From: ron@crash.cts.com (Ron McDaniels) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:21:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Calling all FreeBSD hackers - San Diego CA Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk A user group in San Diego. Sounds like fun! Always wondered if I was the only person in this town using FreeBSD. I'll start a list and if there *are* any of you out there, we can decide what to do. Ron McDaniels Computer Hardware and Software Consultant ron@cts.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:29:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24510 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:29:56 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24503 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:29:47 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04943; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:29:52 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506201529.QAA04943@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: phk@freefall.cdrom.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:29:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506200356.UAA20935@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 19, 95 08:56:05 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 911 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Poul-Henning Kamp who said > > > I'd like to add a couple of points to Jordans plea here: > > If you don't feel like doing the administrative work yourself, find some > existing group and make them host a FreeBSD event. > Umm, I'll position myself as a lightening rod for the UK to collect feedback. If you're in the UK and would be interested in getting in touch with other FreeBSD users then send me some mail with your address. I'm not promising to set up an user group at this stage but I would be interested in seeing how many of us there are in the UK and how we could form closer links. If there's enough of us and there's real interest I may well do the necessary work to set up an user group. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:37:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24745 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:37:37 -0700 Received: from husky.cslab.vt.edu (jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24739 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:37:35 -0700 Received: (jaitken@localhost) by husky.cslab.vt.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id LAA16808; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:36:56 -0400 From: Jeff Aitken Message-Id: <199506201536.LAA16808@husky.cslab.vt.edu> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506200944.AA25087@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 20, 95 11:44:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1793 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Jun 19, 16:22, Satoshi Asami wrote: > } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? > } * > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). > } * > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. > } * > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > } * > ncr0: reset by timeout. > } > That's funny, since there were no changes to the code > over quite some time. The patches I wanted to be put > into 2.0.5 don't seem to have included, and so there > must have been some other change of parameters ... I have an NCR 53c810 controller, and I see the above mentioned error (or something that looks just like it) all too often these days. I installed 2.0.5R the day it was released, and see the problem only when rebooting. It's occurs just after the filesystems are checked/mounted. However, something I've discovered only lately, is that if, after I see the error, I turn the machine off then boot into single-user mode, do the fsck myself, then just exit, things work fine. I don't always see this error on reboot, though. Sometimes the machine boots normally. Other times, it gets that damned error. I also had a lock up in the middle of a disk-intensive activity last night, with no hint as to why. What I don't understand, and would like to help Stefan with, is determining what is triggering these problems. What can I do to try and narrow down the causes of the problem? I might mention that I had a similar problem under 2.0R. Every time I rebooted the machine "properly" (ie, shutdown -r or whatever, so that the disks got unmounted) the machine would not boot because of an NCR error right after the filesystems were mounted. But if I just shut the power off, then rebooted, it would always work (it had to clean the filesystems). -- Jeff Aitken jaitken@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:38:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24861 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:38:28 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24737 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:37:25 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA02871; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:28:58 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:28:58 GMT From: Root Message-Id: <199506201928.TAA02871@ns.aic.net> To: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems Cc: bde@zeta.org.au Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It's really sucks :-( -edd -- Edgar Der-Danieliantz AIC Research Labs Inc/Open Systems Division AIC INTERNATIONAL. It's never too late........ Yo'know, of course.... -J.K.J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:45:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA25308 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:45:12 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA25302 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:45:10 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA05336; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:43:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: Mark Tinguely cc: jkh@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued In-Reply-To: <199506191717.MAA23298@plains.nodak.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Mark Tinguely wrote: > I had a real SMC8013 do the ed0 timeout problem, turns out something > in the boot sequence reconfigured the card's soft IRQ setting back to 5 > eventhough I move kernel and card's IRQ to 9 after installing the FreeBSD > from the net using IRQ 5. Did you leave the jumper in one of the fixed positions? That causes the card to reset its NVRAM back to the specified original setting. You need to set the jumper to "soft" to keep the ezsetup modified configuration. Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www-dc.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 08:50:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA25518 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:50:14 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA25382 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:45:52 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04963; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:43:52 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506201543.QAA04963@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: anyone care to investigate this? To: kimc@w8hd.w8hd.org (kim culhan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:43:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "kim culhan" at Jun 20, 95 09:10:28 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1137 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to kim culhan who said > > On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > In comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x Christoph Weber-Fahr wrote: > > > P.S. to the FreeBSD side - why does Netscape give an error message about > > > a failed uname() call on startup, when running on 2.0R ? > > > > It's a bug in the implementation of the uname() library routine, or something > > related to it. I don't know exactly what the problem is on FreeBSD, but the > > same problem existed on BSDI, until they fixed it. The Netscape FAQ says: > > FWIW, on 2.0.5 -current I see no errors returned on Netscape startup. Upgrade to the new version of Netscape. Why they think this is an error in our uname implementation is broken when the previous Netscape versions worked fine I don't know :-) It's a bit hard to say where exactly the fault lies since this is a BSDI binary and apparently they're seeing the problem too? -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:04:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25894 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:04:14 -0700 Received: from maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25888 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:04:13 -0700 Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02442 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:55:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199506201555.LAA02442@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Yves Lepage Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:55:19 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Ep driver Reply-To: yves@CC.McGill.CA Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Ok, now I know that mcast capability is driver dependant. However, I could not find an mcast capable ep driver. Did anyone "hack" one? Even the fixed one (3c509.tgz and 3c509new.tgz) don't do it. Thanks, Yves Lepage yves@cc.mcgill.ca From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:04:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26035 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:04:53 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s40.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26027 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:04:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08705; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:22:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199506201622.RAA08705@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) cc: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? In-reply-to: esser's message of Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:47:15 +0200. <199506200947.AA25133@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:22:23 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... > > I'm doing this work in my spare time after a regular job. > I'd know better ways to spend my evenings than dealing with > people of your kind. I can only second this and feel that a little support is in order. I have had nothing but helpfull reactions from Stefan and Wolfgang when the NCR driver was not working on my hardware. Although unfortunately the problem was not solved within hours, it *was* solved eventually. I have a feeling that some persons can only look upon an undertaking as this as an anonymous project without taking the indivuals doing the work into respect, making it easy for them to complain. This is a bad attitude. I hope you won't drop the support for the NCR, Stefan, as it's enormously appreciated, at least by me. Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:17:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26457 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:17:45 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26451 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:17:44 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id LAA09546; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:17:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:17:37 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506201617.LAA09546@plains.nodak.edu> To: mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com Content-Length: 1072 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Mark Tinguely wrote: > > > I had a real SMC8013 do the ed0 timeout problem, turns out something > > in the boot sequence reconfigured the card's soft IRQ setting back to 5 > > eventhough I move kernel and card's IRQ to 9 after installing the FreeBSD > > from the net using IRQ 5. > > Did you leave the jumper in one of the fixed positions? That causes the > card to reset its NVRAM back to the specified original setting. You need > to set the jumper to "soft" to keep the ezsetup modified configuration. thanks for the idea, but yes, the jumper is set for "soft". Something in boot process re-programed the card. Then again the Ultra-Plus seems have two programing modes, a temporary and long term configuration. I say this because if you use the DOS "ezsetup" software and configure the card the settings are permanent and if you change the settings via the "diagnose" program, the settings are not permanent but last for until rebooted. Maybe something got placed in the nonpermanent confirguration section of the card. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:21:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26688 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:21:48 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA26673 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:21:43 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA03594 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:21:19 +0200 Message-Id: <199506201621.AA03594@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:21:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jeff Aitken "Re: NCR810 problem?" (Jun 20, 11:36) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Jeff Aitken Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 20, 11:36, Jeff Aitken wrote: } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? } > On Jun 19, 16:22, Satoshi Asami wrote: } > } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? } > } * > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). This is a timeout waiting for the drive to accept an identify messsage, I guess. The NCR seems to be in a "sane" state, and the command and SCSI control lines as driven by the NCR are consistent. The drive didn't respond within 0.1 second, leading to a command abort. What BIOS is on your motherboard, and what version of the SDMS software ? } > } * > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. } > } * > ncr0: restart (fatal error). } > } * > ncr0: reset by timeout. This should re-initialise the SCSI bus and all its devices. But all commands on all drives are aborted, and the consequences will be fatal, if they aren't retried by the generic SCSI code. } > That's funny, since there were no changes to the code } > over quite some time. The patches I wanted to be put } > into 2.0.5 don't seem to have included, and so there } > must have been some other change of parameters ... } } I have an NCR 53c810 controller, and I see the above mentioned error (or } something that looks just like it) all too often these days. I } installed 2.0.5R the day it was released, and see the problem only } when rebooting. It's occurs just after the filesystems are } checked/mounted. However, something I've discovered only lately, is } that if, after I see the error, I turn the machine off then boot into } single-user mode, do the fsck myself, then just exit, things work fine. Could you please send /var/log/message lines, covering the complete boot messages until the error is reported ? What kind of drives do you use ? Would booting to multi-user after the machine was turned off work or hang ? Is it possible, that the drive needs some more time to become ready, and by first booting to single user, the fsck is just delayed enough for the drive to become usable ? } I don't always see this error on reboot, though. Sometimes the machine } boots normally. Other times, it gets that damned error. I also had a } lock up in the middle of a disk-intensive activity last night, with no } hint as to why. What I don't understand, and would like to help Stefan } with, is determining what is triggering these problems. What can I do } to try and narrow down the causes of the problem? Guess there was no syslog messages written to disk because of that lock up ? Any console messages ? } I might mention that I had a similar problem under 2.0R. Every time I } rebooted the machine "properly" (ie, shutdown -r or whatever, so that } the disks got unmounted) the machine would not boot because of an NCR } error right after the filesystems were mounted. But if I just shut the } power off, then rebooted, it would always work (it had to clean the } filesystems). Never observed that kind of behaviour. Do you by chance have the error in some old log file or do you remember it ? Could you try forcing the drives to asynch. transfers: # ncrcontrol -sasync before the reboot ? Maybe I can make me a picture of what's going on from this information ... Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:22:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26757 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:22:46 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26751 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:22:42 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA17112; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:14:08 +1000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:14:08 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506201614.CAA17112@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Maybe it is intentional, but very unpleasant :-( >New bootblocks says: >partition is out of reach from the bios >on old default partition: 255,1023,63 50000 It's got nothing to do with the default partition. The check is if (max_sector_in_FreeBSD_boot_partition / sectors_per_cylinder > 1024) ^^^^ from disklabel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ from BIOS ^^^^^ ^ bug error("partition is out of reach..."); Booting from FreeBSD partitions that have one or more sectors beyond (>= :-) cylinder 1024 can't be guaranteed because /kernel or its metadata might have sectors beyond cylinder 1024. Such partitions should be rare - keeping the root partition small guarantees that it is below cylinder 1024 if it starts at cylinder 0. >Converting it to right partition via sysinstall is impossible >due to different start offset. And wouldn't help. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:25:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26890 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:25:15 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26884 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:25:14 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05410; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:21:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: Mark Tinguely cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued In-Reply-To: <199506201617.LAA09546@plains.nodak.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Mark Tinguely wrote: > thanks for the idea, but yes, the jumper is set for "soft". Something in > boot process re-programed the card. Then again the Ultra-Plus seems > have two programing modes, a temporary and long term configuration. I say this > because if you use the DOS "ezsetup" software and configure the card the > settings are permanent and if you change the settings via the "diagnose" > program, the settings are not permanent but last for until rebooted. Maybe > something got placed in the nonpermanent confirguration section of the card. I've rebooted 2.0.5-R a couple of times now, including power cycles and pressing the BRB; so far it hasn't reprogrammed the card. I've got a WD8013 16-bit card set for 280/10/D0000 set via ezsetup. Perhaps you're right; ezsetup may set things differently. I got a copy of the latest ezsetup from ftp.smc.com (I think the version is 1.08 or something like that.) Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www-dc.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:26:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26993 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:26:40 -0700 Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26987 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:26:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01291 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199506201627.MAA01291@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Strance mv error message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:27:52 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The following error message seems wrong: bash$ umask 027 bash$ cat /dev/null >/tmp/foo bash$ ls -l /tmp/foo -rw-r----- 1 witr bin 0 Jun 20 12:13 /tmp/foo bash$ mv /tmp/foo ~/foo mv: /home/witr/foo: set owner/group: Operation not permitted bash$ ls -l foo -rw-r----- 1 witr witr 0 Jun 20 12:16 foo mv(1) says that a move across filesystems is like a cp -pr, and cp(1) says: -p Causes cp to preserve in the copy as many of the modification time, access time, file flags, file mode, user ID, and group ID as al- lowed by permissions. If the user ID and group ID cannot be preserved, no error message is displayed and the exit value is not altered. So, why the error message? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:27:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27086 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:27:08 -0700 Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA27079 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:27:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01299 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199506201628.MAA01299@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Minor panic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:28:42 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you ++ at the config> prompt you panic, at least on my system... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:31:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27570 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:31:00 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA27539 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:30:25 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23606; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:29:47 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA01721; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:29:47 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA14510; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:39:08 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506200539.HAA14510@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd 2.0.5 To: rpt@miles.sso.loral.com (Richard Toren) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:39:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Toren" at Jun 19, 95 09:39:36 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1062 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Richard Toren wrote: > [2.0R binaries working under 2.0.5R] > 3? Will programs that look into the kernel (xcpustate, xmeter, lsof, Those are usually the only programs potentially affected. You can never know which internal kernel structure might change between releases, hence no forecast for 2.1R. :-) (Though, given the current policy of only selected bug fixes being accepted for 2.1, it's unlikely that 2.0.5 and 2.1 will differ.) The (known) offenders between 2.0 and 2.0.5 are all routing binaries. True userland programs will always continue to run; the worst they need is another set of shared libraries (the compatXXX distributions). And, of course (alwost no longer worth to mention), confi(8) is heavily dependend on the kernel tree. It's usually changed about 5 times or more between major releases, so you have to make sure that you're config'ing your kernel with the right config binary. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 09:40:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28150 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:40:17 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28138 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:40:14 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA16386 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:38 +0200 Message-Id: <199506201639.SAA16386@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: gcc 2.7.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:35 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, JustFYI: I compiled 2.7.0 (i386--freebsd) and didn't see problem during this stage, then I made a new kernel using this compiler and only found warnings (comparison between signed and unsigned) many times. When trying to make a C++ project, I got an error from the assembler, something like ``unknown pseudo instruction: .weak''. According to some people, I think that 2.7.0 should be part of FreeBSD as soon as possible, so that specific changes could be incorporated in the next gcc release. Maybe an intermediate stage in the port area would be nice for fixing some parts of the tree (e.g. because of the new ``for'' semantic) without breaking current. Have a nice day. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 10:12:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29195 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:27 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA29189 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA03957 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:20:21 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506201720.TAA03957@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: About diskless & nfs /usr support To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:20:20 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1415 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As usual I am fighting with diskless support... My setup would include: - a readonly root partition on the server - a readonly /usr partition on the server - a writable /home partition on the server - an mfs partition for all the writable files usually on the root partition (/var, /tmp, maybe /dev, /etc) - swap on a dos file What I would like to come out is an "rc" and "netstart" files which are equally good for DISKLESS, nfs-mounted /usr (say CLIENT), and a full local system (say SERVER). 1) What is the best way to distinguish between a DISKLESS system and a system with a local root ? Parsing /etc/fstab, or testing if hostname is set when entering /etc/rc ? This is needed in /etc/rc, where we have the sequence umount -a >/dev/null 2>&1 mount -a -t nonfs which probably doesn't work if / is nfs-mounted, where we need only mount -a. 2) in /etc/netstart there are, among others, invocations to sysctl, routed, gated. These are all in /usr. We should either move them in /etc/rc, or move the "mount -t nfs" in /etc/netstart. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 10:51:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00405 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:51:20 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00396 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:51:13 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA05144; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:15:02 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506201615.RAA05144@lambda> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:13:47 +0100 (BST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201332.JAA00908@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Jun 20, 95 09:32:00 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1053 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to John Fieber who said > > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > Yes, that's over two thousand readers that we know about, and it > > doesn't even begin to try and estimate the number of USENET readers or > > the readers on exploder mailing lists. > > And don't forget our humble little WWW server. In the last 20 > days it has seen visits from 5150 *unique* hosts; no telling how > many unique users. On average, it responds to about 250 requests > per hour. Would people be willing to try apache as our server? It's developed by like minded people to us and Brian Tao and myself play with it a lot. It's also very good and likely to become one of the best. I think we should actively support it by using it on a prominent site such as ours. If you're not familiar with configuring it John I'd be willing to look after the server side of our WWW service. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:00:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00688 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:00:32 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00682 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:00:31 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26084; Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:53:12 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506201753.AA26084@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:53:11 MDT Cc: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506200947.AA25133@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 20, 95 11:47:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ ... generic whine in which someone wants a driver fixed instantly ... ] Stefan, I agree with all of your points in response to the whine. People: 1) A developer can only respond to problems that are reported. 2) In large part, they can only debug a problem they can duplicate. 3) In extreme cases (and extreme patience above and beyond what anyone has a right to expect) they can debug remotely -- but only with the knowledgeable help of the person evidencing the bug. 4) You can't taunt someone into fixing their code. Especially when you can't provide a procedure to prove to them on the hardware available to them that it's even broken in the first place. I'm truly saddened that Wolfgang Stanglmeier took such idiocy so personally as to allow it to drive him away. I truly appreciate the work you and Wolfgang have put in on the code, even if I don't personally use any of it as yet. It's the principle, not the result. Maybe something should be done to filter bug reports, like taking the send scripts and pointing them at a list that will discard (with mail back to the sender) any bug report missing the header items that indicate that it was either send by the automatic system in accordance with the established procedure (or that someone has otherwise put it in the correct format). This would leave the rest of the subscribers to the bugs list to answer/reformat bug reports that were also ad hominim attacks and submit them through the new (non-bugs@freebsd.org) channel. If my discussion of the sequencer window issue with the arguably broken Quantum drives has been a contributing factor, I appologise. It was not my intent to "call out" anyone, only to explain what I felt the problem was (and as Rod pointed out, it was the wrong Quantum drive for that to even be the problem, as far as we know). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:11:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01173 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:11:06 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01167 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:11:04 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26107; Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:02:10 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506201802.AA26107@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:02:10 MDT Cc: mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <199506201617.LAA09546@plains.nodak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Jun 20, 95 11:17:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > thanks for the idea, but yes, the jumper is set for "soft". Something in > boot process re-programed the card. Then again the Ultra-Plus seems > have two programing modes, a temporary and long term configuration. I say this > because if you use the DOS "ezsetup" software and configure the card the > settings are permanent and if you change the settings via the "diagnose" > program, the settings are not permanent but last for until rebooted. Maybe > something got placed in the nonpermanent confirguration section of the card. Disable the ie0 driver entirely by booting /kernel -c. Then once you are up, rebuild a kernel without the ie0 driver. The particular cards serviced by the ie0 driver have a habit of not being detectable except through a destructive probe. Said probe could be causing your card to be reprogrammed. If it isn't the ie0 driver, make sure you disable all other unused drivers and try again. This should surely fix the problem. Then once you are up, rebuild a kernel without any drivers for hardware not in your machine. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:15:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:15:03 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01369 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:15:01 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26131; Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:07:49 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506201807.AA26131@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:07:48 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201639.SAA16386@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at Jun 20, 95 06:39:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > JustFYI: I compiled 2.7.0 (i386--freebsd) and didn't see problem > during this stage, then I made a new kernel using this compiler and > only found warnings (comparison between signed and unsigned) many > times. > > When trying to make a C++ project, I got an error from the assembler, > something like ``unknown pseudo instruction: .weak''. > > According to some people, I think that 2.7.0 should be part of FreeBSD > as soon as possible, so that specific changes could be incorporated in > the next gcc release. Maybe an intermediate stage in the port area > would be nice for fixing some parts of the tree (e.g. because of the > new ``for'' semantic) without breaking current. Just out of curiousity, what is the status of the Ada and FORTRAN compilers, both of which must use parts of the C compiler to do their thing? Are they compatible with 2.7.0 yet? BTW. A full rebuild of the 2.7.0 sources on SunOS 4.1.3 (as in their example in the INSTALL (did *not* result in a .weak complaint). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:15:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01491 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:15:41 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01483 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:15:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199506201815.LAA01483@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser), mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:53:11 MDT." <9506201753.AA26084@cs.weber.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:15:38 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >If my discussion of the sequencer window issue with the arguably broken >Quantum drives has been a contributing factor, I appologise. It was >not my intent to "call out" anyone, only to explain what I felt the >problem was (and as Rod pointed out, it was the wrong Quantum drive >for that to even be the problem, as far as we know). > I don't think that the Grand Prixs are broken at all, and I only reported what the bug was in John Aycock's original aic7xxx sequencer program that caused failures with the Grand Prixs. I have no idea if the problems reported with the Grand Prix and the NCR are caused by the same "oversight", but I would guess that the problem is totally different since the NCR code was engineered more robustly than the original aic7xxx code and the mistake is fairly obvious. > Regards, > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:19:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01707 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:19:30 -0700 Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01697 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:19:29 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Message-Id: <199506201819.LAA01697@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201614.CAA17112@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 21, 95 02:14:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1069 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >Maybe it is intentional, but very unpleasant :-( > >New bootblocks says: > >partition is out of reach from the bios > > if (max_sector_in_FreeBSD_boot_partition / sectors_per_cylinder > 1024) > ^^^^ from disklabel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ from BIOS ^^^^^ ^ bug > error("partition is out of reach..."); > > Booting from FreeBSD partitions that have one or more sectors beyond (>= :-) > cylinder 1024 can't be guaranteed because /kernel or its metadata might have > sectors beyond cylinder 1024. Such partitions should be rare - keeping the > root partition small guarantees that it is below cylinder 1024 if it starts > at cylinder 0. > Sigh. I have 1119 cylinders on root partition since 1.1.5.1 days and never /kernel occurse out of 1024, it seems that it is practically impossible due to free space usually present at the end of partition. In any case this error should be converted to more readable warning instead i.e.: warning( "root partition > 1024 cyls, BIOS can't load kernel stored beyond this limit"); If we agree on that, I'll commit it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:30:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02557 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:30:20 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02547 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:30:19 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506201830.LAA02547@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems To: ache@freefall.cdrom.com (Andrey A. Chernov) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, ache@astral.msk.su, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201819.LAA01697@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Andrey A. Chernov" at Jun 20, 95 11:19:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 784 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Sigh. I have 1119 cylinders on root partition since 1.1.5.1 days > and never /kernel occurse out of 1024, it seems that it is practically > impossible due to free space usually present at the end of partition. > In any case this error should be converted to more readable warning > instead i.e.: > warning( > "root partition > 1024 cyls, BIOS can't load kernel stored beyond this limit"); > If we agree on that, I'll commit it. Ok, but only if you add a hard-error should it ever try to read a block past 1024. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:33:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02931 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:33:50 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA02924 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:33:42 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27321; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:33:02 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA03732; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:32:59 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA16054; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:43:56 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506201743.TAA16054@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: more gritching on the net.. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:43:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: nickkral@sextans.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506201302.OAA13261@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 02:02:22 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1451 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > From: nickkral@sextans.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich) [I'm also Cc'ing him] > BTW, the bugs and non-features are: > Inability to turn on or off BROADCAST or POINTOPOINT flag for > loopback device. Look at my Usenet reply. The actual error is his interesting idea to set the loopback device to ``BROADCAST''. Unlike Linux (where one might consider _this_ a bug), some of the interface flags in BSD are considered inherent to any particular interface type and cannot be changed (since it doesn't make any sense to change them from outside), IFF_BROADCAST is one of them. The bug on BSD's side is that ifconfig doesn't complain if some bozo tries to ifconfig lo0 broadcast 127.255.255.255 (what he did). > Packets are still transmitted even though the UP flag is not turned > on in an interface. Well, this is a bug, but rather a very low priority one (since i think it does no harm to anybody). > non-feature: The "rwhod" doesn't check connections to make sure they > are still valid before sending packets out. Since Nick promised to fix this for Linux, i've publically hinted him that it would be only fair to send the bug fix also to one of the BSD camps (since it's concerning a source where Linux didn't bother to take it from BSD). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:42:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03217 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:42:23 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03210 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:42:10 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27838; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:41:59 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA03927 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:41:59 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA16646 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:32:19 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506201832.UAA16646@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:32:19 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506201753.AA26084@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 20, 95 11:53:11 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 764 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > 3) In extreme cases (and extreme patience above and beyond what > anyone has a right to expect) they can debug remotely -- but > only with the knowledgeable help of the person evidencing > the bug. I second this. I've once debugged a pcvt problem at Brian Tao's machine in Taiwan via rlogin. It has been a big help to me to be able to analyze the core dump there (as opposed to shuffle several megabytes of core and kernel across the Internet), and he's been *really* cooperative in this! (Err, look now, he's already replying to a lot of the FreeBSD questions in Usenet himself. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 11:55:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03684 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:55:33 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03676 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:55:31 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA00623; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:55:25 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id VAA09251 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:22 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506201907.VAA09251@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: mrouted Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I assume it is mrouted 3.5 that is now in -current although I could find any version string saying that definitely. With pre 3.5 I reported a problem that the machine running mrouted does not show any session that are created in the local network. It doesn't show sessions outside my area either (although I'm connected to the mbone - the reasons for this may lay elsewhere but I'm mentioning it). At least I see (netstat -r) the following: 224 link#1 UCS 0 0 ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAS link#1 UHLW 0 1 DVMRP.MCAST.NET link#1 UHLW 0 10 224.2.127.255 link#1 UHLW 1 5 At the time I was observing this I believe it was Marc Tinguely who sent me temporary fixes to /sys/net , ifconfig and netstat. After applying these fixes I could see the local sessions again. Only this was lasting a short time since some changes were applied to /sys/net and the patches weren't compatible any longer. Can anyone confirm this wrong behaviour of the machine running mrouted wrt not showing local sessions in sd? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 12:04:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03884 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:04:45 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03878 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:04:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA03410; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:06:17 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506201906.PAA03410@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: paul@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201615.RAA05144@lambda> from "Paul Richards" at Jun 20, 95 05:13:47 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 898 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Paul Richards writes: > Would people be willing to try apache as our server? It's developed by like > minded people to us and Brian Tao and myself play with it a lot. It's > also very good and likely to become one of the best. I'm game. The server originally set up (by jlrobin) was NCSA 1.2. It needed to be upgraded and he is offline for a number of weeks so I upgraded just yesterday and switched to the cern server since I'm much more familiar with it than NCSA. You don't think two server changes in a week are too much? ;-) Set it up on port 8080 so we can test it a little. If all goes well, then we can move it to port 80. The current (CERN) server lives in /usr/local/www (a link to /c/www --- watch /c/www/database, its about 180meg). Also, get yourself added to the www@freebsd.org mailing list. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ========== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 12:12:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04308 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:12:42 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04302 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:12:41 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA12907 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:40 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506201912.OAA12907@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: arp problem with 2.0.5? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am having trouble pinging a machine on my local network. The messages file shows the following error: /kernel: arplookup 129.89.9.13 failed: host is not on local network My ifconfig ed0 shows: ed0: flags=8a63 mtu 1500 inet 129.89.9.30 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 129.89.9.255 ether 00:00:c0:ce:32:50 I have about 90 hosts on 129.89.9 and they all seem to work with each other just fine. Just this particular 2.0.5 system and an ultrix system won't talk with each other. Other 2.0.5 systems work just fine. Other ultrix systems work just fine. The arp cache on the ultrix system (129.89.9.13) shows the 2.0.5 machine, but the 2.0.5 machine (129.89.9.30) doesn't show an arp entry for the ultrix machine. Anyone know where this error would come from or where to start bug swatting? -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 12:21:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAB04728 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:21:55 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA04721 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:21:52 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA06373 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199506201921.AA06373@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:21:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Justin T. Gibbs" "Re: NCR810 problem?" (Jun 20, 11:15) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 20, 11:15, "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: } Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? } >If my discussion of the sequencer window issue with the arguably broken } >Quantum drives has been a contributing factor, I appologise. It was } >not my intent to "call out" anyone, only to explain what I felt the } >problem was (and as Rod pointed out, it was the wrong Quantum drive } >for that to even be the problem, as far as we know). } > } } I don't think that the Grand Prixs are broken at all, and I only reported } what the bug was in John Aycock's original aic7xxx sequencer program that } caused failures with the Grand Prixs. I have no idea if the problems reported } with the Grand Prix and the NCR are caused by the same "oversight", but I } would guess that the problem is totally different since the NCR code was } engineered more robustly than the original aic7xxx code and the mistake is } fairly obvious. Guess it was the SAME oversight ! Funny, that it worked with just about every disk drive we tried, until the Grand-Prix made the problem obvious ... Problem is, that the NCR sequencer code is quite complex at that point. We already knew that some CDROM and DAT drives didn't accept ANY messages within a REQUEST SENSE command. Anyway, I'm thinking about the correct way to fix this (it's working already, but the patch is not in -current, yet). Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 12:46:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05617 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:33 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com (chronos.synopsys.com [146.225.8.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA05610 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:32 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18815 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:27 -0700 Received: from miskatonic.synopsys.com (miskatonic.synopsys.com [146.225.72.96]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA25302 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:26 -0700 From: Rory Toma Received: (rory@localhost) by miskatonic.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA03294; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199506201946.MAA03294@miskatonic.synopsys.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: diskless setup Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What kind of help do you need with this? I have a working SunOS diskless setup where all the machines share a read-only root partition, and I've almost finished that. I am also working on the same setup with Solaris. I would be happy to contribute the information on this to you, so that FreeBSD can benefit from this as well. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:02:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09143 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:02:53 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA09131 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:02:51 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA07180 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:02:22 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00151; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:59 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:59 GMT From: Root Message-Id: <199506202355.XAA00151@ns.aic.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org, rory@Synopsys.COM Subject: Re: diskless setup Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm also interested in diskless booting, because we're in process of writing a kind of special bootrom for diskless PCI/Pentium based workstations, running NEXTSTEP/x86. At the present time we've installed a server (small sun), with mass storage on TeraRAID (appx 500gb), and everything seems to be ok. I;fsdf;' f anyone interested in that bootrom, I can write in details. regards, -edd -- Edgar Der-Danieliantz AIC Research Labs Inc/Open Systems Division AIC INTERNATIONAL From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:33:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA14637 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:33:06 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA14626 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:33:04 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07830; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:32:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA02393; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:33:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199506202033.NAA02393@corbin.Root.COM> To: Thomas Graichen cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd and memory In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 95 20:16:09 +0200." <9506191816.AA04427@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:33:14 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >* is FreeBSD using demand paging for it's shared libs - i don't think (i can Yes, FreeBSD uses demand paging for all mapped file operations. This includes shared libraries as well as regular binaries. The main reason that Linux uses less memory is that they go to great lengths to order the routines in the shared libraries to reduce the sparseness of accesses for typical programs. This results in fewer page faults and less memory consumption when a small set of of programs are involved. Another difference is the Linux filesystem. It plays much more "fast and loose" with the updates of metadata which makes it much faster at file creations and deletions, but also makes it more suseptable to severe filesystem corruption if the system should crash. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:47:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15206 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:47:35 -0700 Received: from argus.iadfw.net (root@argus.iadfw.net [204.178.72.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15200 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:47:30 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00882 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:47:26 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199506202047.PAA00882@argus.iadfw.net> Subject: /etc/inetd.conf, /etc/services, and in.identd To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:47:26 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 543 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is an old problem, I'm hoping that the changes needed were seen by someone and thrown into the RELEASE... in the default /etc/services, port 113 is listed as 'auth', whereas in /etc/inetd.conf, in.identd is listed under 'ident'. Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@argus.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:49:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15359 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:49:57 -0700 Received: from aphrodite.funet.fi (root@aphrodite.funet.fi [193.166.1.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15338 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:49:44 -0700 Received: (from ukkonen@localhost) by aphrodite.funet.fi (8.6.11/8.6.11+CSC-2.0) id XAA27390 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:02:22 +0300 From: Jukka Ukkonen Message-Id: <199506202002.XAA27390@aphrodite.funet.fi> Subject: patched pcvt keyboard recognition.... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:02:21 +0300 (EET DST) Latin-Date: Marti XX Iunie a.d. MCMXCV Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing (CSC) Phone: +358-0-4573208 (work) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 3925 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I have no idea whether the attached patch is relevant to versions of FreeBSD later than 2.0.5-alpha, but just in case there is need for it... I noticed that the doreset() function in pcvt was too hasty in expecting SELFOK answers from certain keyboards. At least Alps Membrane seems to first respond with an ACK as expected but then it takes a short moment for itself. During that time the only response to any attempts to fetch the status value is -1. If one didn't allow for a few negative replies being received before the SELFOK, one would get the SELFOK only when expecting the answer to KBD ID query and right after that there would be a request to re-issue the KBD ID query. My patch may not be the best possible solution, but it hits the point quite nicely. With this patch attached e.g. Alps Membrane will be correctly recognized as an MF-II keyboard. Cheers, // jau ------ / Jukka A. Ukkonen, FUNET / Centre for Scientific Computing /__ M.Sc. (sw-eng & cs) Tel: (Home) +358-0-578628 / Internet: ukkonen@csc.fi (Work) +358-0-4573208 / Internet: jau@funet.fi (Mobile) +358-400-606671 v X.400: c=fi, admd=fumail, no prmd, org=csc, pn=jukka.ukkonen ------------------------------ CLIP CLIP ------------------------------ *** pcvt_kbd.c.orig Tue May 30 11:03:59 1995 --- pcvt_kbd.c Sun Jun 18 11:34:35 1995 *************** *** 359,364 **** --- 359,365 ---- int again = 0; int once = 0; int response, opri; + unsigned int wait_retries, seen_negative_response; /* Enable interrupts and keyboard, etc. */ if (kbc_8042cmd(CONTR_WRITE) != 0) *************** *** 401,406 **** --- 402,408 ---- printf("pcvt: doreset() - timeout for keyboard reset command\n"); /* Wait for the first response to reset and handle retries */ + while ((response = kbd_response()) != KEYB_R_ACK) { if (response < 0) *************** *** 432,442 **** /* Wait for the second response to reset */ while ((response = kbd_response()) != KEYB_R_SELFOK) { if (response < 0) { ! printf("pcvt: doreset() - response != OK and resonse < 0\n"); /* * If KEYB_R_SELFOK never arrives, the loop will * finish here unless the keyboard babbles or --- 434,455 ---- /* Wait for the second response to reset */ + wait_retries = seen_negative_response = 0; + while ((response = kbd_response()) != KEYB_R_SELFOK) { + /* + * Let's be a little more tolerant here... + * Receiving a -1 could indicate that the keyboard + * is not ready to answer just yet. + * Such cases have been noticed with e.g. Alps Membrane. + */ if (response < 0) + seen_negative_response = 1; + + if (seen_negative_response && (wait_retries >= 10)) { ! printf("pcvt: doreset() - response != OK and response < 0\n"); /* * If KEYB_R_SELFOK never arrives, the loop will * finish here unless the keyboard babbles or *************** *** 444,455 **** --- 457,471 ---- */ break; } + + wait_retries++; } splx (opri); #if PCVT_KEYBDID + query_kbd_id: opri = spltty (); if(kbd_cmd(KEYB_C_ID) != 0) *************** *** 462,468 **** r_entry: ! if((response = kbd_response()) == KEYB_R_MF2ID1) { if((response = kbd_response()) == KEYB_R_MF2ID2) { --- 478,484 ---- r_entry: ! if ((response = kbd_response()) == KEYB_R_MF2ID1) { if((response = kbd_response()) == KEYB_R_MF2ID2) { *************** *** 471,476 **** --- 487,501 ---- else if(response == KEYB_R_MF2ID2HP) { keyboard_type = KB_MFII; + } + else if (response == KEYB_R_RESEND) { + /* + * Let's give other priority levels + * a chance instead of blocking at + * tty level. + */ + splx (opri); + goto query_kbd_id; } else { From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:53:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15592 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:53:28 -0700 Received: from deep-thought.demos.su (root@deep-thought.demos.su [192.91.186.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15574 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:53:03 -0700 Received: by deep-thought.demos.su id AAA00634; (8.6.11/D) Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:52:20 +0400 To: Bruce Evans , hackers@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Message-ID: Organization: DEMOS Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:52:20 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Boot2 fix for review Lines: 41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1231 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk *** disk.c.old Tue May 30 14:55:00 1995 --- disk.c Wed Jun 21 00:48:17 1995 *************** *** 135,144 **** /* This is a good idea for all disks */ bsize = dl->d_partitions[part].p_size; bend = boff + bsize - 1 ; ! if (bend / spc > 1024) { ! printf("partition is out of reach from the bios\n"); ! return 1; ! } #ifdef DO_BAD144 do_bad144 = 0; --- 135,142 ---- /* This is a good idea for all disks */ bsize = dl->d_partitions[part].p_size; bend = boff + bsize - 1 ; ! if (bend / spc > 1024) ! printf("root partition size > 1024, BIOS can't load kernel stored beyond this limit\n"); #ifdef DO_BAD144 do_bad144 = 0; *************** *** 212,217 **** --- 210,219 ---- int cyl, head, sec, nsec; cyl = sector/spc; + if (cyl > 1023) { + printf("Error: C:%d > 1023\n", cyl); + return; + } head = (sector % spc) / spt; sec = sector % spt; nsec = spt - sec; -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 13:56:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15837 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:56:59 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15831 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:56:57 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA19238; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:56 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506202056.PAA19238@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org, james@miller.cs.uwm.edu Subject: Re: arp problem with 2.0.5? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I am having trouble pinging a machine on my local network. The messages > file shows the following error: > > /kernel: arplookup 129.89.9.13 failed: host is not on local network > I figured this one out a few minutes after I sent it to hackers@freebsd.org. The problem was I was bitten but the route_loopback="${hostname} localhost" line in sysconfig. It would sure be nice if IP numbers were used rather than a DNS lookup when the system is booting. -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 14:31:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17461 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:31:39 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17454 for hackers; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:31:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:31:38 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506202131.OAA17454@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: dump errors Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone else have problems w/ dump? I'm running -current and getting errors of the following type: DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [block -454628770]: count=1024 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [sector -454628770]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [sector -454628769]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [block -454628770]: count=1024 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [sector -454628770]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [sector -454628769]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [block -454628770]: count=1024 DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0e: Input/output error: [sector -454628770]: count=512 A 'dd if=/dev/rsd0e of=/dev/null' doesn't appear to have any problems though. Jeffrey From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 14:40:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17961 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:40:54 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17949 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:40:53 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506202140.OAA17949@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: dump errors To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506202131.OAA17454@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Jun 20, 95 02:31:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 289 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone else have problems w/ dump? I'm running -current and > getting errors of the following type: > Yes I saw it too. I gave up, I didn't have the time. Try commenting out all msdos fs' from etc/fstab, boot -s, fsck, ^D and see if your luck is better. -- Poul-Henning Kamp From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:09:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19600 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:09:00 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA19593 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:58 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA23452 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:08:53 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA26207 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:08:53 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506202208.AAA26207@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Successful installation of 2.0.5 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:08:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 633 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I just made my first full-fledged installation of 2.0.5-RELEASE and apart from the fact that I had to replace the 3c509 by a no-name NE2000 clone due to unsuccessful probe, it went smoothly (with FTP from my laptop). Impressive. I just thought you wanted to know it... Has anyone solution to install with 3c509B (withoiut P&P) I was unable to make FreeBSD probe the card with the GENERIC kernel. After installing with the NE2000 and building a kernel with ep0, it went fine. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:20:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20110 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:20:58 -0700 Received: from servo.ipsilon.com (servo.Ipsilon.COM [204.160.241.205]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20104 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:20:57 -0700 Received: from walnut.ipsilon.com (walnut.Ipsilon.COM [204.160.241.230]) by servo.ipsilon.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA02766 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:19:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506202219.PAA02766@servo.ipsilon.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 06:28:25 -0700 From: Bob Hinden Organization: Ipsilon Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; BSD/386 uname failed) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Comments on 2.0.5 Install X-URL: http://freefall.cdrom.com/When/latest/announce.html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I completed my upgrade to 2.0.5. I have a few comments, suggestions, and observations. I did the install via FTP. Overall I liked it a lot. I used to work at Sun and I think the FreeBSD install is better and easier than what Sun does with Solaris. Nice work! I had to do the install twice because the first time I selected the install option which said sources (but no X) because I thought I would get OS source, X binaries but no X sources. What I got was no X at all. I think it would be helpful if this menu choice was clearer. I found the disk partition and label parts of the install a bit skimpy on online documentation. I would have been helped more if gave me more guidance on what to create. Perhaps a options where it will set up all three unix partitions (root, swap, /usr) with default sizes for root and swap would make it easier. I was also supprised to find that when I did the second install that it did not find the labels I had created for the first install. It made me do them over again. The package part of the install only tried to find a CDROM. There did not appear to be a way to also get it to use FTP. This would be a nice addition. Overall it was very nice and I like FreeBSD a lot! Hope this is helpful. Bob From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:29:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20358 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:29:59 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20352 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:29:58 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA23754 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:29:55 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA26342 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:29:55 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506202229.AAA26342@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:29:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201639.SAA16386@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at Jun 20, 95 06:39:35 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 580 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > According to some people, I think that 2.7.0 should be part of FreeBSD > as soon as possible, so that specific changes could be incorporated in > the next gcc release. Maybe an intermediate stage in the port area > would be nice for fixing some parts of the tree (e.g. because of the > new ``for'' semantic) without breaking current. If we put 2.7.0 in the tree, maybe its time to upgrade our current "as" to a more modern one... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:44:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20714 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:44:52 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20703 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:44:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA15085; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:44:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Bob Hinden cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Comments on 2.0.5 Install In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:28:25 PDT." <199506202219.PAA02766@servo.ipsilon.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:44:47 +0100 Message-ID: <15083.803688287@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > binaries but no X sources. What I got was no X at all. I think it would be > helpful if this menu choice was clearer. Agreed, will do! > I found the disk partition and label parts of the install a bit skimpy on > online documentation. I would have been helped more if gave me more guidance > on what to create. Perhaps a options where it will set up all three unix > partitions (root, swap, /usr) with default sizes for root and swap would make > it easier. Also agreed. > I was also supprised to find that when I did the second install that it did n ot > find the labels I had created for the first install. It made me do them over > again. That's because the label assignments aren't actually stored anywhere but /etc/fstab, and I didn't particularly feel like writing a parser.. :) > The package part of the install only tried to find a CDROM. There did not > appear to be a way to also get it to use FTP. This would be a nice addition. We need to first make the pkg tools deal with ftp somehow, which means some way of eating pre-calculated index files. Considering that the pkg_manage tool already takes quite a long time to do it even with a quad-speed CDROM, I suspect that this is the route we'll eventually go anyway. > Overall it was very nice and I like FreeBSD a lot! Hope this is helpful. It was, thanks for the feedback! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:56:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21051 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:21 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21041 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:20 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506202256.PAA21041@freefall.cdrom.com> To: phk Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes I saw it too. Try commenting out all msdos fs' from etc/fstab, boot -s, fsck, ^D and see if your luck is better. I'm dumping just one filesystem, an ufs filesystem. Fsck reveals no errors, but the drive itself could be going bad at those sectors. Fortunately, you see these types of errors too, so it may yet be a software problem. Jeffrey From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:57:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21120 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:57:22 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA21113 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:57:20 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA29852; Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:51:27 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA29365; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:51:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25473 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:00:21 GMT Message-Id: <199506201900.TAA25473@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 6:48PM up 51 days, 20:08, 8 users, load averages: 0.13, 0.15, 0.11 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:00:21 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Before I load 2.0.5, I thought someone might get a kick out of how long my FreeBSD 2.0-9503022-SNAP system has been up and running. The 51+ days is the time since the last power outage. The system is a 32MB DECpc XL 466. The video card is a Diamon Viper/PCI. The system has a DEFPA PCI FDDI Controller which is used as the day-to-day network path. The system is mostly used as an X server and where I get most of my mail (I use exmh). xcdplayer is continuously playing as well. I use NCR53C810 with 2 RZ25M and a RZ26 (which is the FreeBSD disk). Cheers, Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/ Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my Littleton, MA own warped views, etc. whydos# netstat -i Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll fpa0 4470 08.00.2b.a1.89.3f 258470308 0 6760794 0 0 fpa0 4470 net-0.lkg.d whydos 258470308 0 6760794 0 0 de0 1500 08.00.2b.e2.1e.09 785 0 0 0 0 de0 1500 none none 785 0 0 0 0 lo0 16384 15986 0 15986 0 0 lo0 16384 your-net localhost 15986 0 15986 0 0 whydos# vmstat -s 186535950 cpu context switches 1346681696 device interrupts 132993340 software interrupts 47534733 traps 678349578 system calls 34175 swap pager pageins 111078 swap pager pages paged in 69176 swap pager pageouts 133281 swap pager pages paged out 26699 vnode pager pageins 106243 vnode pager pages paged in 2 vnode pager pageouts 2 vnode pager pages paged out 4599885 VM object cache lookups 4321692 VM object hits 7188 page daemon wakeups 39916474 pages examined by the page daemon 0 pages reactivated 276 intransit blocking page faults 543059334 zero fill pages allocated 7240861 zero fill pages zeroed 5798811 copy-on-write faults 42190538 total VM faults taken 26681077 pages freed 0 pages freed by daemon 10277815 pages freed by exiting processes 4433 pages active 711 pages inactive 824 pages in VM cache 1089 pages wired down 440 pages free 4096 bytes per page 14049269 total name lookups cache hits (74% pos + 1% neg) system 9% per-process deletions 2%, falsehits 1%, toolong 0% whydos# vmstat -m Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 3747 605 26077477 1280 0 32 4080 656 1178705 640 0 64 2823 121 2721263 320 0 128 5496 392 372861375 160 751 256 2648 104 3034484 80 0 512 25 15 56 40 0 1K 23 9 6366010 20 0 2K 11 7 31 10 0 4K 14 3 35 5 2 8K 51 13 2533 5 1967 16K 6 0 10 5 0 32K 0 0 2 5 0 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 devbuf, routetbl, vnodes, shm, VM objhash, VM pgdata, proc, temp 32 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, pgrp, session, VM mapent, VM pager, VM pgdata, subproc, LFS segment, ether_multi, temp 64 devbuf, routetbl, ifaddr, namecache, VM pgdata, file, lockf, LFS segment, in_multi, temp 128 mbuf, devbuf, pcb, routetbl, fragtbl, zombie, ifaddr, soopts, cred, vnodes, VM map, VM object, VM pgdata, file desc, proc, NFS srvsock, MSDOSFS node, temp, ttys 256 devbuf, socket, pcb, routetbl, ioctlops, vnodes, VM map, VM pgdata, file desc, proc, subproc, FFS node, temp 512 devbuf, ioctlops, mount, UFS mount, VM pgdata, MSDOSFS mount, MSDOSFS FAT 1K devbuf, namei, UFS mount, VM pgdata, NQNFS Lease, NFS daemon, temp 2K mbuf, devbuf, UFS mount, VM pgdata, ttys 4K devbuf, ioctlops, UFS mount, VM pgdata, MSDOSFS mount, temp 8K devbuf, NFS node, namecache, UFS quota, UFS mount, VM pgdata, temp 16K devbuf, VM pgdata 32K VM pgdata Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) mbuf 75 12K 39K 18723K365762844 0 0 128,2K devbuf 64 138K 146K 18723K 70 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K socket 89 23K 30K 18723K 433148 0 0 256 pcb 131 22K 31K 18723K 453025 0 0 32,128,256 routetbl 60 7K 10K 18723K 12483 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 fragtbl 0 0K 1K 18723K 11 0 0 128 zombie 1 1K 1K 18723K 264323 0 0 128 ifaddr 7 1K 1K 18723K 7 0 0 64,128 soopts 0 0K 1K 18723K 970 0 0 128 namei 0 0K 5K 18723K 6012982 0 0 1K ioctlops 0 0K 4K 18723K 486 0 0 256,512,4K cred 38 5K 8K 18723K 81884 0 0 128 pgrp 31 1K 2K 18723K 38448 0 0 32 session 17 1K 1K 18723K 23287 0 0 32 mount 3 2K 2K 18723K 7 0 0 512 NFS node 1 8K 8K 18723K 1 0 0 8K vnodes 2363 293K 301K 18723K 37094 0 0 16,128,256 namecache 2317 153K 153K 18723K 2317 0 0 64,8K UFS quota 1 8K 8K 18723K 1 0 0 8K UFS mount 10 25K 29K 18723K 13 0 0 512,1K,2K,4K,8K shm 0 0K 1K 18723K 2 0 0 16 VM map 58 14K 20K 18723K 893241 0 0 128,256 VM mapent 1057 34K 42K 18723K 11442 0 0 32 VM object 2485 311K 340K 18723K 5345074 0 0 128 VM objhash 1850 29K 30K 18723K 253024 0 0 16 VM pager 2373 75K 79K 18723K 533048 0 0 32 VM pgdata 2899 504K 647K 18723K 813077 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K,32K file 169 11K 15K 18723K 2348273 0 0 64 file desc 52 7K 10K 18723K 269792 0 0 128,256 lockf 3 1K 1K 18723K 125237 0 0 64 proc 55 13K 19K 18723K 264389 0 0 16,128,256 subproc 51 2K 3K 18723K 265973 0 0 32,256 LFS segment 0 0K 6K 18723K 41187 0 0 32,64 FFS node 2308 577K 579K 18723K 2040246 0 0 256 NQNFS Lease 1 1K 1K 18723K 1 0 0 1K NFS srvsock 4 1K 1K 18723K 4 0 0 128 NFS daemon 1 1K 1K 18723K 1 0 0 1K in_multi 2 1K 1K 18723K 2 0 0 64 ether_multi 1 1K 1K 18723K 1 0 0 32 MSDOSFS mount 1 4K 5K 18723K 2 0 0 512,4K MSDOSFS node 0 0K 1K 18723K 2 0 0 128 MSDOSFS FAT 0 0K 1K 18723K 1 0 0 512 temp 34 7K 22K 18723K 25905276 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,1K,4K,8K ttys 313 45K 53K 18723K 9293 0 0 128,2K Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 2326K 260K 412241989 whydos# pstat -T 170/1064 files 2314 vnodes 43M/135M swap space whydos# vmstat -i interrupt total rate clk0 irq0 740321544 165 rtc0 irq8 573126837 127 fdc0 irq6 25379 0 sc0 irq1 2896385 0 psm0 irq12 26212566 5 Total 1342582711 299 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 15:57:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21188 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:57:47 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21179 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:57:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:57:46 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506202257.PAA21179@freefall.cdrom.com> To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What kind of controller are you using ? (Not that I think the controller is the culprit.) I'm using an UltraStor 34F. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:01:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21421 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:01:24 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21412 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:01:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:01:23 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506202301.QAA21412@freefall.cdrom.com> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > maybe its time to upgrade our current "as" to a more modern one I second that one. Sometimes I come across compilers which generate gas syntax of a variety which our old as doesn't recognize. Some assembly files off the net also have this problem. While we're at it, not to confuse the issue, how about pulling in elf support from the updated binutils, where gas now lives, too? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:02:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21491 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:02:15 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21482 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:02:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:02:14 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506202302.QAA21482@freefall.cdrom.com> To: matt@lkg.dec.com Subject: Re: 6:48PM up 51 days, 20:08, 8 users, load averages: 0.13, 0.15, 0.11 Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ah, but do you run dump? :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:12:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21771 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:12:44 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA21764 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:12:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA13280; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:12:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199506202312.RAA13280@rover.village.org> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 Cc: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier), hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:29:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:12:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : If we put 2.7.0 in the tree, maybe its time to upgrade our current "as" : to a more modern one... That's the source of the .weak errors.... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:14:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21940 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:14:46 -0700 Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA21934 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:14:44 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by mail1.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA06237; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:05:51 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA29472; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:05:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25625; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:14:43 GMT Message-Id: <199506201914.TAA25625@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jeffrey Hsu Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 6:48PM up 51 days, 20:08, 8 users, load averages: 0.13, 0.15, 0.11 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:02:14 MST." <199506202302.QAA21482@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:14:43 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ah, but do you run dump? :-) Only before I upgrade! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:21:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA22182 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:21:04 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA22176 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:21:02 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07879 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:33:46 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11236 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:21:05 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA30723 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:42:19 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA02211 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:11:56 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506192011.WAA02211@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: slip install to laptop To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:11:55 +1596657 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1112 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there Having DEC donating a Hinote laptop for my use (it finally pays of to be with 'm ;-) I of course want to get 205R onto it. Lacking a supported ethernet card (they ordered a Xircom) I opted for a SLIP install. After entering the network parameters on the install screen I tried to get it to talk to my FBSD115 system. Note that I skipped the entry for the nameserver (I don't have one at home..). ALl this resulted in the portmapper complaining. A ifconfig sl0 on vty4 showed that the sl0 interface had not been configured. No IP adresses showed up. The message slattach: sl0 connected to /dev/cuaa0 at 115200 was there allright. I did a manual ifconfig sl0 and then things started working. I'm currently trying to get it any further, will post results. Appreciate insights on the ifconfig issue Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 16:55:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23142 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:55:53 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA23136 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:55:52 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14742(1)>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:55:18 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:55:14 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Jim Lowe cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mrouted code in 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:30:39 PDT." <199506162030.PAA20787@miller.cs.uwm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:55:00 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun20.165514pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506162030.PAA20787@miller.cs.uwm.edu> you write: >Could someone tell me what the status of the mrouted code is in 2.0.5. >Is it version 3.5 with prunning? Or do I need -current to get that? 2.0.5 has 3.4, which does do pruning but has some bugs. -current has 3.5 with less and more bugs; I will be releasing 3.6 soon. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 17:31:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24168 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:31:12 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA24157 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:31:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA15502; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:30:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Wilko Bulte Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:44:51 PDT." <22867.803691891@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:30:44 +0100 Message-ID: <15500.803694644@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Having DEC donating a Hinote laptop for my use (it finally pays of to > be with 'm ;-) I of course want to get 205R onto it. Cool! I'd actually like to hear about the HiNote.. I saw a picture of one in a catalog and thought it looked really nice (and, very importantly for me, really light). Poul is trying to get me to buy a Gateway Liberty instead and so I'd appreciate hearing as much about the two options as possible. > ALl this resulted in the portmapper complaining. A ifconfig sl0 on > vty4 showed that the sl0 interface had not been configured. No IP > adresses showed up. The message slattach: sl0 connected to /dev/cuaa0 > at 115200 was there allright. My mistake. I don't do the ifconfig in the serial case, which is just fine for ppp but loses for slip. Whoops! I'll fix this in the next release of the floppies. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 17:51:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24823 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:51:29 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA24817 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:51:28 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15072(6)>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:50:42 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:50:33 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: mrouted In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:07:22 PDT." <199506201907.VAA09251@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:50:19 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun20.175033pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506201907.VAA09251@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> you write: >I assume it is mrouted 3.5 that is now in -current although I could >find any version string saying that definitely. It's too bad the import destroys the RCS ID's, or you could tell by them. You can also tell by /usr/src/usr.sbin/mrouted/dvmrp.h; it's PROTOCOL_VERSION.MROUTED_VERSION . Can you kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/mrouted.pid`, and kill -USR2 `cat /var/run/mrouted.pid`, and email me the /var/tmp/mrouted.dump and /var/tmp/mrouted.cache that those two commands create? (you should do the "kill" commands while running 'sd'). Thanks, Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:12:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25282 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:12:44 -0700 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (anvil.appsmiths.com [198.65.131.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25276 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:12:41 -0700 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA23824 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:12:41 -0500 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199506210112.UAA23824@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: disklabel muncher To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:12:39 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 947 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I had a cute one today. I suppose that it has to do with some of the msdosfs problems drifting about. I had a floppy mounted in the 3-1/2, and just to be crappy, popped it out while it was being read. I expected a rude recovery, but... Got a panic (couldn't see exactly what), and then when I came back up, my wd1 disk label was munched. I have wd0, wd1, sd0. Good thing I just wrote the label the other day, and I remembered where things were left. I was able to relabel it, and land on my feet. Whew! BTW I'm running something just before the 2.0.5 release. -- =============================================================================== Clay D. Hopperdietzel hoppy@appsmiths.com AppSmiths, Inc. Voice (713) 578-0154 Fax (713) 578-6182 15915 Katy Fwy, Suite 470 Where do *I* Want to Go Today? Houston, Texas 77094 FreeBSD! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:24:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25488 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:24:39 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25482 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:24:32 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA30942; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:18:37 +1000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:18:37 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506210118.LAA30942@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@freefall.cdrom.com, phk@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Just FYI, new bootblocks unable to load old (pre-slice) systems Cc: ache@astral.msk.su, bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> In any case this error should be converted to more readable warning >> instead i.e.: >> warning( >> "root partition > 1024 cyls, BIOS can't load kernel stored beyond this limit"); >> If we agree on that, I'll commit it. >Ok, but only if you add a hard-error should it ever try to read a block >past 1024. All in <= 176 bytes. The message should be different to suit the context where the error is found. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:30:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25692 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:30:16 -0700 Received: from genesis (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25665 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:29:57 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA23833; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:56:32 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506210126.KAA23833@genesis> Subject: Re: more gritching on the net.. To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:54:49 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201302.OAA13261@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 02:02:22 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 620 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of quoting someone else saying: > LINUX, the FREE > Operating System of the > future available via anon > FTP. Ask me about it. LOSE WEIGHT NOW! ASK ME HOW! (Sorry, just couldn't resist 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:39:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25959 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:38 -0700 Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA25953 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:35 -0700 Received: from is1.hk.super.net by hk.super.net with SMTP id AA13277 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:39:30 +0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:39:30 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Hackers Subject: 1.0.5R instalation Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I believe /etc/services is incomplete in my setup. Can someone send me a copy of the 1.0.5R version? This may permit me to complete some additional backup and redo the installation. Incidently, do I need to download X11R6 again or is it the same as that on the 2.0R CD? Thanks jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:39:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA25995 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:54 -0700 Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25988 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:39:53 -0700 Received: (root@localhost) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08501; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:38:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:38:48 -0700 From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <199506210138.SAA08501@blob.best.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: bug in quotacheck -a (fix) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk in chkquota() just after the sync(), dev_bsize must be reset to 1 before the bread() or quotacheck -a will fail after the first partition (because dev_bsize is 512 and is messes up the superblock read of the second partition) -Matt From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 18:41:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA26064 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:41:40 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA26058 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:41:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA15904; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:41:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more gritching on the net.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:54:49 +0930." <199506210126.KAA23833@genesis> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:41:10 +0100 Message-ID: <15902.803698870@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > LOSE WEIGHT NOW! ASK ME HOW! I can tell you how.. Join the FreeBSD project and subsist on bad sandwiches and stomach acid for weeks on end! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 19:06:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA26533 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:06:20 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA26517 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:05:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA08075; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:57:02 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506210257.HAA08075@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Mcast on 3c509 To: yves@CC.McGill.CA Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:57:01 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506201258.IAA01136@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> from "Yves Lepage" at Jun 20, 95 08:57:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 755 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > my at-work machine: FreeBSD 2.0, 2 3c509's, 40MB mem, 1.25GB IDE disk, PCI > bus. The problem is that the ep driver doesn't seem to support multicast. > I didn't find anything related to mcast with that driver. Is mcast something > that's driver dependant or do I need a new ifconfig that'd know how to set > the 2 interfaces to be mcast capable? I think not because the interfaces > handled by an ed driver can have the IFF_MULTICAST flag set... Point to some application that uses multicast that I can use for tests please (it will be better if it will be simpler) and I'll try to add multicast features to the ep driver. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 19:15:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA26773 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:15:18 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA26725 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:13:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA08186; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:13:34 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506210313.IAA08186@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Successful installation of 2.0.5 To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:13:33 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506202208.AAA26207@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jun 21, 95 00:08:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 783 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just made my first full-fledged installation of 2.0.5-RELEASE and > apart from the fact that I had to replace the 3c509 by a no-name > NE2000 clone due to unsuccessful probe, it went smoothly (with > FTP from my laptop). > > Impressive. > > I just thought you wanted to know it... > > Has anyone solution to install with 3c509B (withoiut P&P) I was unable > to make FreeBSD probe the card with the GENERIC kernel. After installing > with the NE2000 and building a kernel with ep0, it went fine. I had the same problem with 950412-SNAP and I solved it by disabling all drivers of devices I don't actually have (partially all devices on 0x300 address). Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 19:50:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA27516 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:50:57 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA27510 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:50:51 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <20935-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:49:49 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id LAA09659 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:04:13 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id BAA14892; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:00:47 GMT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:00:47 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199506210100.BAA14892@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd and memory Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>* is FreeBSD using demand paging for it's shared libs - i don't think (i can > > Yes, FreeBSD uses demand paging for all mapped file operations. This >includes shared libraries as well as regular binaries. The main reason that >Linux uses less memory is that they go to great lengths to order the routines >in the shared libraries to reduce the sparseness of accesses for typical >programs. This results in fewer page faults and less memory consumption when >a small set of of programs are involved. > Another difference is the Linux filesystem. It plays much more "fast and >loose" with the updates of metadata which makes it much faster at file >creations and deletions, but also makes it more suseptable to severe filesystem >corruption if the system should crash. > >-DG This is one of my pet subjects. I've been collecting large numbers of papers upon the arcane art of building programs to minimise page faults. One bloke did a Q&D version of a program on a Unix box that looked at profiling data & just ordered the modules at link time according to that. Theoretically you should go for something that records page references vs time, but this method gave most of the gains using existing tools. The paper in question was titled "A Study of Program Restructuring in a Virtual Memory System", by Jerry Breecher. I only have a photocopy of the article, not the entire journal, so I can't tell you what journal it's from, but I suspect it was one of the IEEE publications. Something to do this would be hackable from shell, gprof, awk, nm & ar. It would give us the benefits not only of reduced paging but probably also improved cache hit ratios. Whilst profiling only works on statically linked objects, we could pull out the routines that would be in the shared library and order the shared library appropriately. Maybe after I've done the stallion driver, ported the GPM modula 2 compiler, done the 16bit colour for Sierra RAMDACs. Domenico Ferrari of UCB has also put out a few good papers on this subject. Now if only we could persuade the GNU people to write programs that did not splatter their data all over a large amount of memory. Stephen From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 20:44:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA29045 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:44:22 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA29035 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:44:16 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA05318 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:40:24 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:40:23 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id HAA00274; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:38:27 +0400 To: "Serge A. Babkin" , yves@CC.McGill.CA Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: <199506210257.HAA08075@hq.icb.chel.su> In-Reply-To: <199506210257.HAA08075@hq.icb.chel.su>; from "Serge A. Babkin" at Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:57:01 +0500 (GMT+0500) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:38:26 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Mcast on 3c509 Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1183 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506210257.HAA08075@hq.icb.chel.su> Serge A. Babkin writes: >> my at-work machine: FreeBSD 2.0, 2 3c509's, 40MB mem, 1.25GB IDE disk, PCI >> bus. The problem is that the ep driver doesn't seem to support multicast. >> I didn't find anything related to mcast with that driver. Is mcast something >> that's driver dependant or do I need a new ifconfig that'd know how to set >> the 2 interfaces to be mcast capable? I think not because the interfaces >> handled by an ed driver can have the IFF_MULTICAST flag set... >Point to some application that uses multicast that I can >use for tests please (it will be better if it will be simpler) and I'll try >to add multicast features to the ep driver. You can try videoconference applications from ports: ivs and others. You can also look in if_ed.c, here complete MULTICAST implementation present, low level is minimal. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 20:54:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA29317 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:54:52 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA29311 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:54:47 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA03182; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:55:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506210355.UAA03182@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: dump errors To: phk@freefall.cdrom.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506202140.OAA17949@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 20, 95 02:40:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 584 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Does anyone else have problems w/ dump? I'm running -current and > > getting errors of the following type: > > > > Yes I saw it too. I gave up, I didn't have the time. Try commenting > out all msdos fs' from etc/fstab, boot -s, fsck, ^D and see if your > luck is better. I've been dumping every other night to 4mm DAT since april 14th and have not seen any problems of any form. I only have FreeBSD slices though. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 21:04:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA29739 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:04:22 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA29729 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:04:18 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA03235; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:04:33 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506210404.VAA03235@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: dump errors To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506202256.PAA21041@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Jun 20, 95 03:56:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 591 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yes I saw it too. Try commenting > out all msdos fs' from etc/fstab, boot -s, fsck, ^D and see if your > luck is better. > > I'm dumping just one filesystem, an ufs filesystem. Fsck reveals no > errors, but the drive itself could be going bad at those sectors. > Fortunately, you see these types of errors too, so it may yet > be a software problem. In either of your cases are theses ufs filesystems larger than 2G bytes? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 21:22:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA00546 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:22:23 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA00538 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:22:21 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA03292; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:21:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506210421.VAA03292@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: mrouted To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <95Jun20.175033pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at Jun 20, 95 05:50:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2451 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In message <199506201907.VAA09251@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> you write: > >I assume it is mrouted 3.5 that is now in -current although I could > >find any version string saying that definitely. > > It's too bad the import destroys the RCS ID's, or you could tell by them. You > can also tell by /usr/src/usr.sbin/mrouted/dvmrp.h; it's > PROTOCOL_VERSION.MROUTED_VERSION . Small technical correction, it is not the import that destroys the RCS ID's. It is the cvs co operation that wipes them out. If and/or when we go back to my hacks that where in cvs from the XFree86 folks these $Id$'s will magically come back for 90% of our files (those files that someone has manually mucked with the $Id$ in a commit will be harder to clean up). Case in point, from the repository for the file mentioned above here is what is actually stored in the RCS ,v file: @ text @/* * The mrouted program is covered by the license in the accompanying file * named "LICENSE". Use of the mrouted program represents acceptance of * the terms and conditions listed in that file. * * The mrouted program is COPYRIGHT 1989 by The Board of Trustees of * Leland Stanford Junior University. * * * $Id: dvmrp.h,v 3.5 1995/05/09 01:00:39 fenner Exp $ */ Notice what is stored is 3.5, though what I have checked out in /usr/src says: * $Id: dvmrp.h,v 1.2 1994/09/08 02:51:14 wollman Exp $ [Whoopss.. that is on the RELENG_2_1_0 branch, this should really be 1.3 per freefall's /usr/src:] * $Id: dvmrp.h,v 1.3 1995/06/13 18:04:41 wollman Exp $ And someone may have spammed my abitility to easily make this come back with a few cvs/rcs hacks file with this part of a commit: [Though I think the 3.5 Id will take precident. 1.2 log @Make it compile and (except for mrouted which is untested as yet) run. Some of these ``modified'' files aren't really modified at all, but CVS isn't smart enough to know the difference. @ text @d10 1 a10 1 * $Id: dvmrp.h,v 1.6 1994/08/24 23:53:30 thyagara Exp $ d105 1 > > Can you kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/mrouted.pid`, and kill -USR2 `cat > /var/run/mrouted.pid`, and email me the /var/tmp/mrouted.dump and > /var/tmp/mrouted.cache that those two commands create? > > (you should do the "kill" commands while running 'sd'). > > Thanks, > Bill > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 22:30:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01780 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:30:40 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01770 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:30:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00428; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199506210517.WAA00428@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Bill Fenner cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: mrouted In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:50:19 PDT." <95Jun20.175033pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:58 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is tunneling working with -current's mrouted? Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 22:31:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01814 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:31:51 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01805 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:31:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:31:51 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506210531.WAA01805@freefall.cdrom.com> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In either of your cases are theses ufs filesystems larger than 2G bytes? Nope. But I was seeing the bogus lseek error messages reported by bug report 461, so there may yet be an offset_t bug lurking in there somewhere. Jeffrey From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 23:54:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03239 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:41 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03223 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:17 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04565; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:45 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA12217 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA19491 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:02:08 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506210602.IAA19491@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: rm -ir problem? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:02:06 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 572 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Why am i asked twice for each leaf directory? news@uriah 8% rm -ir /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/announce? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/announce? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/apps? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/apps? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/bugs? y remove /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd/bugs? y ... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 23:55:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03275 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:17 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03209 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:53:40 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04528; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:26 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA12185; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA19335; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:36:54 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506210536.HAA19335@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: patched pcvt keyboard recognition.... To: jau@aphrodite.funet.fi (Jukka Ukkonen) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506202002.XAA27390@aphrodite.funet.fi> from "Jukka Ukkonen" at Jun 20, 95 11:02:21 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 606 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > > > Hi all! > > I have no idea whether the attached patch is relevant to > versions of FreeBSD later than 2.0.5-alpha, but just in case > there is need for it... > > I noticed that the doreset() function in pcvt was too hasty > in expecting SELFOK answers from certain keyboards. At least Thanks for the patch. Either me or Hellmuth will certainly look at your patch ASAP. For now, i'll leave it in my inbox as a reminder. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 23:55:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03304 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:23 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03233 ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:38 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04590; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:51 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA12235; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:50 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA19729; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:30:26 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506210630.IAA19729@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Comments on 2.0.5 Install To: jkh@FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:30:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hinden@ipsilon.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <15083.803688287@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 95 11:44:47 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 615 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I was also supprised to find that when I did the second install > that it did n ot > find the labels I had created for the first > install. It made me do them over > again. > That's because the label assignments aren't actually stored anywhere > but /etc/fstab, and I didn't particularly feel like writing a parser.. :) > j@uriah 452% apropos fsent getfsent(3), getfsspec(3), getfsfile(3), setfsent(3), endfsent(3) - get file sys :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 23:55:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03336 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:31 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA03330 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:55:30 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA00283 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 06:55:26 GMT Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04569; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:46 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA12220; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:44 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA19543; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:09:02 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506210609.IAA19543@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 1.0.5R instalation To: jbeukema@HK.Super.NET (John Beukema) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:09:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "John Beukema" at Jun 21, 95 09:39:30 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 505 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As John Beukema wrote: > > > I believe /etc/services is incomplete in my setup. Can someone send me a > copy of the 1.0.5R version? This may permit me to complete some > additional backup and redo the installation. Do you mean 1.0.2 or 2.0.5? I've just put my 1.0.2 CD into the drive, but now i'm realizing that it's perhaps not what you want... :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 20 23:56:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03385 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:56:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03368 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:56:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04594; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA12238 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:53:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA19785 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:34:17 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506210634.IAA19785@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: dump errors To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:34:16 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506210355.UAA03182@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 20, 95 08:55:01 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 392 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > I've been dumping every other night to 4mm DAT since april 14th and > have not seen any problems of any form. I only have FreeBSD slices > though. Me, too. Onto QIC-150. Also only have FreeBSD slices/partitions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 00:00:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03761 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:00:52 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03752 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:00:51 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506210700.AAA03752@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: dump errors To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506210404.VAA03235@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 20, 95 09:04:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 736 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yes I saw it too. Try commenting > > out all msdos fs' from etc/fstab, boot -s, fsck, ^D and see if your > > luck is better. > > > > I'm dumping just one filesystem, an ufs filesystem. Fsck reveals no > > errors, but the drive itself could be going bad at those sectors. > > Fortunately, you see these types of errors too, so it may yet > > be a software problem. > > In either of your cases are theses ufs filesystems larger than 2G bytes? not in my case. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 01:18:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA05025 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:18:59 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA05018 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:18:57 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01181 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199506210805.BAA01181@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: postcript page to print envelopes? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I got an HP laserjet 5MP and I am wondering if anyone has a cool postscript page to print envelopes? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 01:27:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA05226 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:27:56 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA05220 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:27:54 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01275 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:14:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199506210814.BAA01275@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: vgetty or Answering Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:14:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, Is being a few days since I posted the pointer for the vgetty stuff and I am wondering if anyone has managed to get it up and running? As for vgetty over here it seems to be working rather well. My voice messages are being mailed to my account, I can retrieve messages while I am bored driving on 101,etc... :) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 02:11:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA06386 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:11:00 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA06372 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:10:35 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA08113; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:10:05 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id LAA10555; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:22:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199506210922.LAA10555@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - it's time to unite! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:22:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506210535.HAA19324@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 21, 95 07:35:27 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1104 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > This reminds me, Jordan: we're going to have a Middle-European FreeBSD > > > no, not users, but hackers meeting in (probably) Aachen late this > > > summer. Would you also care to come? > > > > If I can fit it in between the Australian Unix User's group meeting > > (where I've agreed to speak - yipes!) in August, sure! > > Hmm, i'm forwarding this to the other interested parties as well. > Chris & Guido: i've also included Hellmuth Michaelis now. Fine. I did it on my locally kept 'social-event' file, too already and I hope to be able to send around an announcement about date and location soon to the list of possible participants. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 05:39:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA17879 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:39:01 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA17871 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:38:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19278; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:38:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), hinden@ipsilon.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Comments on 2.0.5 Install In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:30:24 +0200." <199506210630.IAA19729@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: <19276.803738329@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > j@uriah 452% apropos fsent > getfsent(3), getfsspec(3), getfsfile(3), setfsent(3), endfsent(3) - get file sys Hmmmmm.. Ok, you've shamed me into it. I'll look into this and see what I can do.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 06:19:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19828 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 06:19:28 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19822 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 06:19:26 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA13730 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:26:07 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id HAA18622 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:19:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199506211319.HAA18622@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:19:19 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: Comments on 2.0.5 Install" (Jun 20, 11:44pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Comments on the 2.0.5 Installation Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Two more things I think would be neat for the next sysinstall (but perhaps not feasible): 1) For tape installations, allow multiple files on one tape so that device /dev/nr?t? would be used. The files (distributions) would have to be ordered, but if documented, I don't think that would be a difficult hurdle. This could allow an installation on a somewhat smaller disk. 2) Do the file transfer (via tape read, ftp, nfs, or whatever) in parallel with the install. I.e., read floppies/root.flp read bin/* install root.flp read manpages/* install bin read compat1x/* install manpages ... "User-friendliness" is a hard term to define, but I would guess that an installation that took 30 minutes might be called more user-friendly than one that took 60 minutes. Similarly, one that took fewer resources (in this case disk space) might also be called more user-friendly. Many thanks to those working on FreeBSD. The install just keeps getting better (it goes very quickly once you get the hang of it) and the OS is really a pleasure to use! --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 06:48:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA22345 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 06:48:51 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA22327 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 06:48:42 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA19860 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:49:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:49:03 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506211349.OAA19860@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Path: gate2.internet-eireann.ie!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!ecl.wustl.edu!beru!brian From: brian@beru.wustl.edu (Brian L Gottlieb) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: PPP login script security Date: 20 Jun 1995 17:40:02 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3s715i$6pm@ecl.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beru.wustl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] I recently (over the last week or so, actually) installed FreeBSD on my system. I got it up and running without a problem, and got X running after doing a kernel recompile to include my PS/2 mouse. Anyways, I'm now trying to configure it for ppp dial-on-demand. I've tried it out and it works great. But I am concerned abut the login script being readable on the machine. My ISP uses a login and password authentication before setting up the PPP connection. This password is the same as my user password (as required by his setup), and therefore compromises my account if the password appears in the script. Given that the /etc/ppp.* files are not encrypted at all, my password, if it were to appear in those files, would be compromised. Also, the password for accessing PPP running as a daemon is also in plaintext in the /etc/ppp.secret file. One idea I had was to have a password for accessing the daemon, and I could just connect to it and give it the login script once after every reboot. Then dial-on-demand would work fine. But the plaintext password makes that kind of useless. Has anyone been doing any work towards this? One idea I had was to have the password in /etc/ppp.secret be encrypted. The login script would not appear in the configuration file, but would require manual everytime the ppp program is run. If it is run at boot with -auto, this should not be a major inconvenience. While this may still not be 100% secure (what is?), it would be enough for me to feel secure that my roommate, or a visitor, won't be able to trivially extract my password. I started looking into the ppp code last night. If there is no other work being done for such a thing, I'll look into it further. brian -- O O O O Brian Gottlieb /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ O~ Research Assistant o_______/\_/__/\_/__/\_/__/\_/______-\________ Applied Research Lab \______________/___________/________________/ Washington University / / St Louis, MO ( ( O) O) brian@arl.wustl.edu Life is Short -- Row Hard! http://www.arl.wustl.edu/~brian/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 07:21:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA24697 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:21:37 -0700 Received: from GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.91]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA24689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:21:34 -0700 Received: from localhost by GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa09690; 21 Jun 95 10:20 EDT From: moto@CS.cmu.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: weird problem with AHA2490+EXABYTE Reply-To: moto@CS.cmu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:20:37 -0400 Message-ID: <9688.803744437@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm having a problem with a EXABYTE 8205XL and AHA2940. Here is the configuration: OS: FreeBSD 2.0.5 (GENERIC kernel with CHILD_MAX=128 and pty=32) (AHC_TAGENABLE is NOT defined) CPU: Pentium 100MHz (GATEWAY2000 P5-100) Memory: 32M SCSI: Adaptec 2940 Disk: Micropolis 3221 (2.0G) (external) CD: Toshiba XM3501 (external) Tape: EXABYTE 8205XL (external) Without the EXABYTE, it just runs fine. When the EXABYTE is attached, the machine reports bunch of "timeout on sd0" during dumping the filesystem to a tape. I suspected the cable and termination, but both were OK (I'm using active terminator and chaging a cable didn't help either. I dettached Toshiba's CD-ROM, but I still had the same problem, therefore the length of a cable is not a problem, I guess). I tried to play the transfer rate of AHA2940. It slightly change the behavior but didn't solve the problem completely. The same tape unit is working just fine with anohter machine: OS: FreeBSD 2.0.5 (GENERIC) CPU: 486DX2 50MHz (GATEWAY2000) Memory: 16M SCSI: Adaptec 1542B Disk: Micropolis 2210 (1.0G) (external) CD: Toshiba XM3401 (internal) Tape: EXABYTE 8205XL (external) So the tape unit itself is OK. >From this observation, there might a possibility that there is a problem in EXABYTE and AHA-2940 combination. Does anyone experience this problem? Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! ============================================================================== Motonori Shindou Carnegie Mellon University SCS Graduate Student e-mail: moto@cs.cmu.edu, NiftyServe: GEG04056 WWW: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/moto/WWW/moto-home.html TEL: 412-362-9636 FAX: 412-362-9634 ============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 07:40:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA26312 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:40:06 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26306 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:40:03 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id JAA17552; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:39:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:39:56 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506211439.JAA17552@plains.nodak.edu> To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, phk@freefall.cdrom.com Content-Length: 660 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm dumping just one filesystem, an ufs filesystem. Fsck reveals no > > errors, but the drive itself could be going bad at those sectors. > > Fortunately, you see these types of errors too, so it may yet > > be a software problem. > > In either of your cases are theses ufs filesystems larger than 2G bytes? I was going to ask the same question, because the lseek-s in traverse.c should not read: if ((int)lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0) < 0) but should read: if (lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0)==(off_t) -1) as I stated in bug report 461. I doubt this is the problem because you would get a lot of lseek errors. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 07:43:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA26663 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:43:52 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26657 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:43:50 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA16304 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:43:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Tinguely cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, phk@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: dump errors In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:39:56 CDT." <199506211439.JAA17552@plains.nodak.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:43:46 -0700 Message-ID: <16302.803745826@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506211439.JAA17552@plains.nodak.edu>, Mark Tinguely writes: >I was going to ask the same question, because the lseek-s in traverse.c should >not read: >if ((int)lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0) < 0) >but should read: >if (lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0)==(off_t) -1) >as I stated in bug report 461. I doubt this is the problem because you >would get a lot of lseek errors. Can someone look at getting dump working on >>2Gb filesystems please? I'll need it shortly to to large dumps of >>2Gb filesystems here at Walnut Creek :-( Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 08:43:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA00266 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:43:15 -0700 Received: from maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA00255 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:43:13 -0700 Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01588 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199506211534.LAA01588@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Yves Lepage Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:34:14 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ep drive (mcast with 3c509) Reply-To: yves@CC.McGill.CA Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Thanks to everyone who helped me. I got two patches for the ep driver that will enable mcast in it. One that doesn't care about filter and uses promiscuous mode to receive mcast packets, and another one that does care about filters and mcast listener list, which was submitted before but never was commited. For my initial testing, I chose the one that does care about filters as my FreeBSD machine is destined to be a dedicated MBONE router. So far, mrouted and mrinfo seem to like the improved driver. I will do some more testing and let you know what the results are. Thanks a lot for all the help. Yves Lepage yves@cc.mcgill.ca PS: why do people bother running sunos *.x when you can be supported so great as all of you guys? People running sunos *.x even pay for not getting that level of support :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 10:08:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA06433 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:08:32 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06421 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:08:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199506211708.KAA06421@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: moto@cs.cmu.edu cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weird problem with AHA2490+EXABYTE In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:20:37 EDT." <9688.803744437@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:08:29 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>From this observation, there might a possibility that there is a >problem in EXABYTE and AHA-2940 combination. Does anyone experience >this problem? Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! We have an EXABYTE 8505 coming back from RMA later this week. I'll see if I can reproduce the error with it or an older EXABYTE that we have kicking around (don't remember if it is an 8205 or not). > >============================================================================== >Motonori Shindou Carnegie Mellon University SCS Graduate Student > e-mail: moto@cs.cmu.edu, NiftyServe: GEG04056 > WWW: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/moto/WWW/moto-home.html > TEL: 412-362-9636 FAX: 412-362-9634 >============================================================================== > > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 11:31:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10349 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:31:29 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10343 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:31:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20238; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:31:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: yves@CC.McGill.CA cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ep drive (mcast with 3c509) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:34:14 EDT." <199506211534.LAA01588@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: <20236.803759495@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > PS: why do people bother running sunos *.x when you can be supported > so great as all of you guys? People running sunos *.x even pay for > not getting that level of support :-) I don't know.. Help spread the word! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 11:37:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10535 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:37:39 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10524 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:37:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:37:38 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506211837.LAA10524@freefall.cdrom.com> To: bde Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've been dumping every other night and > have not seen any problems of any form. I only have FreeBSD slices > though. Me, too. Also only have FreeBSD slices/partitions. Could this be a slice compatibility problem? These are old 1.1 filesystems that are giving me trouble, and, I just dumped it successfully w/o errors from FreeBSD 1.1.5.1. Jeffrey From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 11:49:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11121 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:49:53 -0700 Received: from mg1.cdsnet.net (mrcpu@mg1.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA11115 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:49:51 -0700 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by mg1.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA02039; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:49:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Couple PCMCIA questions. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The Release notes show the 3c589 3com PCMCIA card is supported. What about the 3c589B? (I don't know what the B designation stands for). Does anybody have working pCMCIA modems? I'm going to snarf a 28.8, and was thinking of just sticking with USR, but if something else works, now's the time to change. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 12:19:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA11994 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:19:38 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA11982 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:19:29 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03660; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:18:55 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA22013 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:18:54 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA21258 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:23:13 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506211823.UAA21258@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: dump errors To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:23:13 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <16302.803745826@westhill.cdrom.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 21, 95 07:43:46 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 393 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Palmer wrote: > > Can someone look at getting dump working on >>2Gb filesystems please? > I'll need it shortly to to large dumps of >>2Gb filesystems here at > Walnut Creek :-( I would if i had a drive to verify. I'm also used to `dump'. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 12:19:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12003 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:19:39 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA11983 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:19:30 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03594; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:18:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA21914; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:18:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA20917; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:15:39 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506211715.TAA20917@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: PPP password security To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:15:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: brian@beru.wustl.edu (Brian L Gottlieb) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506211349.OAA19860@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 21, 95 02:49:03 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1058 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > From: brian@beru.wustl.edu (Brian L Gottlieb) > Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc > Subject: PPP login script security > Date: 20 Jun 1995 17:40:02 GMT > > Has anyone been doing any work towards this? One idea I had was to > have the password in /etc/ppp.secret be encrypted. See my Usenet reply to Brian. His proposal would only move the vulnerability to the security of the encryption key instead of the plaintext file (since the daemon needs to know the encryption key). It's a long-standing tradition to store remote passwords in plaintext (/etc/uucp/systems etc.), and i don't see a problem as long as the files are mode 0600 and owned by a `trusted' user. If you cannot trust root, forget about Unix security. Perhaps all those programs should refuse to work if they detect insecure files containing the password (like the .rhosts and .netrc permission checks). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 12:24:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12325 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:24:04 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12316 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:24:03 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506211924.MAA12316@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: PPP password security To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: brian@beru.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <199506211715.TAA20917@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 21, 95 07:15:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 742 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Perhaps all those programs should refuse to work if they detect > insecure files containing the password (like the .rhosts and .netrc > permission checks). Yeah, that would be a worthwhile addition to libutil or somewhere: int cantrustfile(char *filename) recurses through all directories and verifies their permissions. for root: returns 1 if only root can modify this file. for other users: returns 1 if only the user or root can modify this file. else return 0 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 13:50:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25259 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:50:55 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25113 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:50:40 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA00811; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:06:46 +1000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:06:46 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506212006.GAA00811@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@freefall.cdrom.com, hsu@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: dump errors Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Could this be a slice compatibility problem? These are old 1.1 filesystems >that are giving me trouble, and, I just dumped it successfully w/o errors >from FreeBSD 1.1.5.1. If the partitions are partly outside the slice, then chopping them would cause read errors. Any chopping of partitions is reported when the slice is first-opened. PR 461 reports and fixes bogus checking of lseek() for offsets >= 2G but I don't see how this problem can affect read(). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 14:57:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 16:20:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12452 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:20:25 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12446 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:20:19 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08951; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:34:14 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11150 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:20:26 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18227 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:56:39 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA03739; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:59:44 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506211659.SAA03739@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: freebsd and memory To: davidg@root.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:59:43 +1596657 (MET DST) Cc: graichen@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506202033.NAA02393@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 20, 95 01:33:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 952 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, FreeBSD uses demand paging for all mapped file operations. This > includes shared libraries as well as regular binaries. The main reason that > Linux uses less memory is that they go to great lengths to order the routines > in the shared libraries to reduce the sparseness of accesses for typical > programs. This results in fewer page faults and less memory consumption when > a small set of of programs are involved. It might be interesting to know that at least AT&T V3.2 used the same approach (i.e. reordering) on the shared libs. This had me stumped for a while when I first saw it (years ago) but on second thoughts it might pay off. WB _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 16:33:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12678 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:33:39 -0700 Received: from big (ppp29.micronet.fr [194.51.75.229]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12667 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:33:35 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by big (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00515 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:21:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:21:49 +0200 From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <199506212221.AAA00515@big> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Fine Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Your system is fine From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 18:41:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16740 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:41:10 -0700 Received: from deep-thought.demos.su (root@deep-thought.demos.su [192.91.186.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16717 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:40:57 -0700 Received: by deep-thought.demos.su id FAA02630; (8.6.11/D) Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:40:31 +0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: David Greenman , "Garrett A. Wollman" Message-ID: Organization: DEMOS Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:40:30 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Fix NULL-encapsulated interfaces (lo & tun) handling (DLT_NULL) Lines: 47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1119 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any comments? I plan to commit... *** gencode.c.bak Tue Jun 13 02:01:05 1995 --- gencode.c Thu Jun 22 05:31:16 1995 *************** *** 471,478 **** return; case DLT_NULL: ! off_linktype = -1; ! off_nl = 0; return; case DLT_PPP: --- 471,478 ---- return; case DLT_NULL: ! off_linktype = 0; ! off_nl = 4; return; case DLT_PPP: *************** *** 543,548 **** --- 543,557 ---- if (proto == ETHERTYPE_IP) proto = 0x0021; /* XXX - need ppp.h defs */ break; + + case DLT_NULL: + if (proto == ETHERTYPE_IP) { + proto = htonl(AF_INET); /* loopback & tun put */ + /* sa_family into */ + /* prepended word */ + return gen_cmp(off_linktype, BPF_W, (long)proto); + } + break; } return gen_cmp(off_linktype, BPF_H, (long)proto); } -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 18:48:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16809 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:48:14 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16803 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:48:13 -0700 From: Elvismells@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA174855661; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:47:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:47:41 -0400 Message-Id: <950621214715_75724863@aol.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Is there a upgrade patch ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have an onllder version of FREEBSD from a couple of months ago and was wondering if there is a patch to take it to the current release? It took me forever to download all the files for 2.0.?, Can youu tell me the differences with this version, is it just kernel. I would appreciate a suggestion on how to upgrade if one isn't available to the July release also. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 18:48:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16827 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:48:43 -0700 Received: from MELIA.QUT.EDU.AU (melia.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16821 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:48:41 -0700 Received: from redash.qut.edu.au by melia.qut.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-13 #8718) id <01HS07KJC2M88Y584J@melia.qut.edu.au>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:47:09 +1000 Received: from redash.qut.edu.au by redash.qut.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-13 #8718) id <01HS07ITQB8G0006IY@redash.qut.edu.au>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:45:45 +0000 (AUSTRALIA/QUEENSLAND) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:45:45 +0000 (AUSTRALIA/QUEENSLAND) From: Ridley Williams Subject: Creating 16550A serial port device To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: X-Envelope-to: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do you create a `sio' device? The MAKEDEV script doesn't seem to include options for serial ports. And since I didn't install the source, I can't find the type code of the device to make it with mknod. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 20:12:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA19472 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:12:19 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA19455 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:12:17 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id WAA26321; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:11:43 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506220311.WAA26321@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - Milwaukee anyone? To: laufen@sol.med.ge.com (Derek Laufenberg x7-4534) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:11:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506201433.AA23517@merak.med.ge.com> from "Derek Laufenberg x7-4534" at Jun 20, 95 09:33:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > OK I'll bite. Anyone in the Milwaukee area interested in > a FreeBSD users meeting contact me. I will put together the > list and try to find a suitable place and time. This was a subject of a little debate a few evenings ago, actually... Solaria Public Access UNIX and sol.net Network Services are the largest FreeBSD shop in the area, at least as far as I know of (although Jim Lowe has a bunch of Xterminals and might be able to beat me on a pure machine count). I am also in touch with a number of other FreeBSDites in the area, including at least one organization that I am working on FreeBSDizing. If there is any interest in a local mailing list, etc., the resources are available to provide it. I already host the local Linux mailing list (ironically on a FreeBSD based system) :-) All of this falls in very nicely with the original goal and philosophy behind Solaria - providing a place for the local UNIX hacks to get together and utilize shared resources. While Solaria itself is one of my legacy Sun boxes, I am maybe a week or two away from reopening Wye (486DX4/100, FreeBSD 2.0.5R) for regular users. As for meetings, etc., there has already been some interest expressed locally... Anyone interested in any of this, lemme know and I could set up a local mailing list. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 21:09:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA29441 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:09:46 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA29421 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:09:42 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00424; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:08:53 +0800 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:08:53 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Kernel panic: more fatal traop 12's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Still trying to track down the problem with a 2.0.5 machine doing heavy WWW server duty with the Apache server. On a 16-meg machine, firing up 50 httpd children (at around 550K each) will almost always fall over within 10 or 15 minutes of trying to keep up with 10+ requests per second. Most of the time it just reboots... no console messages, no syslog messages. :( On three occasions, however, syslog captured this: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x10 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf011e513 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 10194 (apache) interrupt mask = panic: page fault syncing disks... 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 giving up Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort --> Press a key on the console to reboot <-- Rebooting.. Only the current PID and the sync disk numbers change from occurrence to occurrence. Are there any hints I should be giving the Apache maintainers to prevent this from happening? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 23:19:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA15540 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:19:37 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA15533 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:19:34 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01691; Thu, 22 Jun 95 00:10:30 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506220610.AA01691@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: D.C. Area To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 0:10:29 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506200946.ZM22277@jester.autometric.com> from "Brian Sletten" at Jun 20, 95 09:46:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Any FreeBSD folks in the Metropolitan D.C. area want to get together? How many > are there? Uh... 12, yeah, 12. (This question struck me a particularly funny. Probably the hour). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 21 23:25:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA15812 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:25:37 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA15801 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:25:32 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21861; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:25:06 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA26351; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:25:06 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA24196; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:15:14 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506220615.IAA24196@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: PPP password security To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:15:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: brian@beru.wustl.edu Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506212159.RAA22871@magic.winnet.net> from "Piero Serini" at Jun 21, 95 05:59:23 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1008 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Piero Serini wrote: > > > ... If you cannot > > trust root, forget about Unix security. > > So if I crack root on a single machine of yours, do I also get > all the routers' passwords in your network, and a nice set of > .rhosts all around your machines? You will certainly get all the passwords of machines where i need to log in automatically. You won't get any other password, of course, since i've got the habit of neither writing passwords down anywhere nor storing them anywhere in a computer. :-) The original poster clarified meanwhile that he actually intented to enter the encryption key manually each time (but hmm, why doesn't he enter the password manually then eacht time? :), but anything you wanna have done automatically suffers from the above problem. And yes: the root user ID is the strongest vulnerability of any Unix system. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 00:33:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA17700 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:33:20 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA17693 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:33:17 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA20891; Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:33:13 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id JAA20983 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:45:05 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:45:05 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506220745.JAA20983@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: locate, vmix and sound driver Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a strange effect on my machine: I'm running vmix 0.2. When I start it and enable recording I get a bunch of messages in the xterm where I started it (Input Rec Overrun). In another xterm I did a 'locate ibsc2.h' (since I was wondering about the file /tmp/kernel+ibcs2 that appears constantly after reboot in my /tmp dir - I assume it is intentional and has to do with the coff/SCO compatibility). The interesting thing: right after the locate command has finished I'm getting again a bunch of messages: 'Input Rec Overrun'. Any comments? Is it hardware? Some DMA stray effects on the bus? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 01:05:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA18064 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:05:38 -0700 Received: from dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.28.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18034 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:04:51 -0700 Received: (from bertus@localhost) by dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA04423; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:06:40 +0200 From: Bertus Pretorius Message-Id: <199506220806.KAA04423@dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: DES, crypt and eBones (fwd) (SITE outside USA) To: jhay@dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:06:40 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506220707.JAA06214@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from "John Hay" at Jun 22, 95 09:07:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2615 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Many things deleted.... > > > > Give me a site stable enough that could be used and I we can talk it > > up in -core. But from past record we are not doing to good here. We > > have had 3 folks from outside the USA start down this road, and we are > > hoping that that Mark can stay with it for the long haul, but without > > a site as devoted to FreeBSD as freefall by corporate dollar I don't see > > us moving the bits any place. > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > > > On this point, sorry for the lateness - I was on leave and even though jhay (John Hay) is good at development, he is a bit slow on giving me important messages - and I missed this one :) (He gave me a 'klap' for this). We, at the CSIR - the bunch that takes care of skeleton (Mark's crypt and eBones site) should qualify for the above needed place. In fact we are volutering to do the job. First I need to give some background to motivate our commitment to such a site. We are part of the Councel for Scientific Industrial Research of South Africa. The CSIR was founded more than 50 years ago with some 3000 people employed. The CSIR do basic research and development with our group looking after networking, information delivery, security and encryption. Our group's development environment is FreeBSD and the secure routers and firewalls developed is running on top of FreeBSD. This is a long term commitment and should stay like that while the FreeBSD culture stays the same. On the security and encryption side - we are in the use and design of security and encryption systems and algorithms for the past 12 to 15 years and this provides us a competetive edge in parts of our bussiness. I hope this emphasises our commitment to such a site - in fact an expansion of skeleton as it is now. On the operational side; jhay is looking after our main development machine and volunteered to look after the new skeleton as well. We will then be responsible for the uptime and backups of the machine and most likely mirror the last two releases and may be current of FreeBSD. That is sort of the framework and would like some inputs and other requirements. -- +-Bertus Pretorius------------ (O) (O) ---------------bertus@mikom.csir.co.za-+ | mikomtek ^ +27 12 841-3001 (Voice) | | CSIR \___/ +27 12 841-4720 (FAX) | +-----------------A smile is the same in all languages------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 01:20:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA18345 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:20:06 -0700 Received: from remington.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (remington.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18338 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:20:04 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by remington.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id RAA28298; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:19:53 +0900 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:19:53 +0900 Message-Id: <199506220819.RAA28298@remington.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Lites on 2.0.5R?? From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I installed 2.0.5R on my desktop machine, and tried to restore Lites (Lites1.1 over Mach4) binaries. It works fine with 0322-SNAP, but it didn't work with 2.0.5R. MK said that no BSD disklabel found. I think this problem is caused by the changes of the format of disklabel between 0322-SNAP and 0412-SNAP. Are there any Lites server and MK that recognizes new-style disklabel? -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 02:52:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA20458 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:52:12 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA20447 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:51:32 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55305>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:50:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01405; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:51:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199506201851.UAA01405@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - Austin/San Antonio, Texas In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:46:05 +0200." Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:51:19 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) > I'll start a list of "local" users. Just let me know if you want to be included. Please add freebsd-munich@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de there's about 8 people behind that, it's for low traffic local stuff only) I guess the list (of geographic interest mail-lists) would best be administered & accessed, as a list in src/share somewhere, (after you've compiled the initial base) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Julian Stacey Recommended , Alternate Localhost From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 02:55:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA20531 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:55:29 -0700 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA20503 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:54:41 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.140) with smtp id ; Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:52 MEST Received: by sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de; id AA10270; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:52:56 +0200 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <9506220952.AA10270@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: things to fix for 2.1 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:52:55 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 8035 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello yesterday i upgraded from 2.0 to 2.0.5 - yes it worked fine - i replaced dir by dir and then edited the /etc/* files - 2.0.5 is a big step forward compared with 2.0 - it looks really "complete" - but now the reason of this mail - here i've collected all the things which it think should change for 2.1: ----------------------------------------------------------------- * file don't know much about FreeBSD - see the next lines graichen@mordillo:~> bc bc 1.02 (Mar 3, 92) Copyright (C) 1991, 1992 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. ^\Quit (core dumped) graichen@mordillo:~> file bc.core bc.core: data graichen@mordillo:~> cat test.c void main(void){} graichen@mordillo:~> gcc -c test.c graichen@mordillo:~> file test.o test.o: NetBSD/i386 object file not stripped graichen@mordillo:~> i think there should change something until 2.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------- * the ld still has some problems: graichen@mordillo:~> cat test.c void main(void){} graichen@mordillo:~> cc test.c -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 graichen@mordillo:~> ldd a.out a.out: -lX11.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0 (0x801a000) -lc.2 => /usr/lib/libc.so.2.1 (0x8093000) graichen@mordillo:~> ok the problem is mentioned in the manpage All shared objects presented to ld are marked for run-time loading in the output file, even if no symbols are needed from them. but it think it's a real stupid problem because many software writes more libs via "-l" to it's commandline for cc than needed - normally it's not a problem - but under FreeBSD you add much more dependencies (need for special shared libs which may really not be needed) to the compiled file than nessecary - is it so hard to fix ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * how about a newer f2c ? graichen@mordillo:~> f2c < /dev/null /* -- translated by f2c (version 19931217). You must link the resulting object file with the libraries: -lf2c -lm (in that order) */ #include "f2c.h" i think until now there were many bug eliminated in f2c and his libs - why not getting a fresh copy from ftp.netlib.org and adapt it to FreeBSD (don't forget to adapt it to the f77 driver) - if you like i may do this - therefor anybody with commit priveleges should send me a mail and i'll do it sometime in the next 2 weeks ----------------------------------------------------------------- * why not taking tha man-pages or info files about sysv shared mem etc. from Linux and adapt them to FreeBSD - in the early slackware there was an info file about it - but i think it's still in there and as far as i've seen - in the latest man-pages (1.6 i think) are some man pages about this too - can any sysvipc guru look into it and adapt them to FreeBSD ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * please put the game man-pages and the /etc/dm.conf file into the game distribution - why they are in the bin part ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * top 3.3 seems to be broken at 2.0.5 - has anybody a fix for it (maybe sending it to the top maintainer) - the swap-usage always shows 100% used swap ----------------------------------------------------------------- * how about integrating gated into the FreeBSD basic distribution - i think there should'nt be lines in netstart like if [ "X${gated}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/gated.conf ]; then echo -n ' gated'; /usr/local/sbin/gated $gatedflags if there is no gated at the basic system - i think the basic system should be closed in itself ----------------------------------------------------------------- * maybe it has changed since 2.0 - i haven't looked into the sources for 2.0.5 but i think it has'nt changed - savecore should log the panic info to LOG_INFO not to LOG_ALERT (i mean the line it prints via syslog before saving the core "savecore: date machine panic due to ..." - you know what i mean ?) - this would make the screen more readable while saving the core (at the moment savecore starts - prints some lines of output saves - counts the core to save in kbytes down - while that the message via syslog comes to the screen then it counts further at the next line) - another thing is - why is there a newline after the counting down is finished (~line 400) (void)printf("\n"); i think it would be better to overwrite this line with the next bootup mesages - this value is then always 0 (or i think it stops displaying at 1024 - maybe) and thus meaningless -> can be overwritten from the next line ----------------------------------------------------------------- * some time ago i rewrote the math-manpages to also mention the float functions (sinf for sin as an example) - how about links from the sin man-page to sinf - this way you may get the sinf-information also via man sinf and not only via man sin - "oh there's something about sinf too" ----------------------------------------------------------------- * the man-page for yp is total out of date - it says for instance there is no server etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- the following things i'm not shure about - because i haven't installed 2.0.5 from scratch - maybe i'm wrong in some points - but please go on reading: * is the "src" part at the installation selectable (sub menu) ? - if not i think it would be a good idea to present a submenu for the selection of the source items you want (for instance only ssys.*) ----------------------------------------------------------------- * ok - i may now read parts of the doc's in german (my native language) but as far as i know (from testing the alpha-boot floppies) my keyboard is still handled as a us one (maybe i'm wrong) ----------------------------------------------------------------- * is /usr/share/man chown'ed right - as i said i install via unpacking the manpages.* files by hand - and i got bin.bin as owner for this dir - but catman (... please use "echo /usr/bin/catman | nice -5 ...) runs su man in the recommended way and can't thus create the /usr/share/man/cat* entries ----------------------------------------------------------------- * how is kernel core dumping handled in 2.0.5 (i hope that i'll never have to do something with it :-) - earlier ther was a kernel config option DODUMP - this is no longer there (grep through /usr/src/sys) - and in LINT stands something like # - Crash dumps will be written to wd0b, if possible. Specifying the # dump device here is not recommended. Use dumpon(8). and dumpon(8) says: Calls to dumpon normally occur in the system multi-user initialization file /etc/rc, before the savecore(8) program is run. but ther is no dumpon in /etc/rc - i think this is a bit contradicting - will it dump by default to my swap-partition - will it by default not dump ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * how about chmod'ing the floppy devices (/dev/*fd?*) g+rw - this way you may allow some people to use the floppy by adding them to the group operator (or any other group - floppy for instance if operator would be to insecure - and changing the floppy devises to group floppy) ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * ok - that's all for now - if something is unclear - send me a mail t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 04:44:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA27435 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:44:49 -0700 Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA27429 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:44:48 -0700 Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET from deadline.snafu.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0sOkge-0000I2C; Thu, 22 Jun 95 13:44 MET DST Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0sOkgZ-000IxuC; Thu, 22 Jun 95 13:44 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Message-Id: From: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Subject: Scanner drivers in FreeBSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:44:39 +0200 (MET DST) Organization: -D-E-A-D-L-I-N-E- Public access UN*X system - 13347 Berlin. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 610 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! --- I wonder if the Genius GS4500 driver is the only scanner driver currently supported by FreeBSD? Are there any additional drivers for Scanners like the U-MAX or others, which are currently supported or under development? Thanks for your replies in advance! Mickey -- (__) (@@) Andreas S. Wetzel E-mail: mickey@deadline.snafu.de /-------\/ Utrechter Strasse 41 Web: http://deadline.snafu.de/ / | || 13347 Berlin Voice: <+4930> 456 81 68 * ||----|| Germany Fax/Data: <+4930> 455 19 57 ~~ ~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 04:48:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA27678 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:48:23 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA27652 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:48:13 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA05363; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:08:13 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506201808.TAA05363@lambda> Subject: Re: Problems with Installing 2.0.5R To: test-owner@salem.ge.com (Stephen F. Combs) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:06:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-bugs@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506201242.IAA09685@combs.salem.ge.com> from "Stephen F. Combs" at Jun 20, 95 08:42:40 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1105 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Stephen F. Combs who said > > 2) Using the ST31200, I couldn't get it to accept the > untranslated geometry. The system has ONLY FreeBSD on it > (no DOS, no OS/2, no WinNT). The only way the system would > work, is to create a 1MB DOS partition (which forced > translated geometry) and then delete it and assign the > entire disk to FreeBSD. > Had the same problem. Nothing on the disk at all, completely new disk Couldn't install FreeBSD on it for two reasons. 1) sysinstall no longer allows BIOS-invalid geomtries. I was greeted by an error message "geometry invalid (or something like that)". 2) I didn't know what the NCR standard geometry was. Result: Had to install DOS to find out what geometry to use. There must be some way to do this. Is there something we can do from the botblock before going to protected mode to find out what the SCSI BIOS is going to default to? -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 06:05:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA00817 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:05:41 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA00796 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:05:30 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA25813; Thu, 22 Jun 95 15:05:20 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id PAA21593 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:17:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:17:11 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506221317.PAA21593@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Input Rec Overrun (sound.v30.2) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I reported a strange effect when running locate while having vmix and vat running. In fact I was using a kernel with Amancio's sound.v30.2 compiled in. So the issue may not be very relevant for -current. Though it would really be nice to get the sound 3.0 driver fully incorporated now in -current. This would avoid building a special kernel. I just ran vat and heard Amancio talking out of my speakers in Aachen here. (Admittedly - due to the long delays and hops - it sounded a bit chopped since packets got lost). I only wait until the Linux crowd comes with all this out before FreeBSD got even on its feet with this. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 06:57:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09320 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:57:18 -0700 Received: from unix.stylo.italia.com (ppp.stylo.italia.com [194.20.23.167]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09312 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:57:14 -0700 Received: from angelo.stylo.italia.com (angelo.stylo.italia.com [194.20.21.29]) by unix.stylo.italia.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01721; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:37:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199506221337.PAA01721@unix.stylo.italia.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:32:32 GMT Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: aturetta@stylo.italia.com (Angelo Turetta) Subject: Re: PPP login script security To: brian@beru.wustl.edu (Brian L Gottlieb) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm now trying to configure it for ppp dial-on-demand Do you mean you managed to get packet filtering work ? What do you get when you issue a 'show dfilter' (or afilter, or ifilter....) command to the ppp demon (either run interactively or '-auto' via telnet). Dial on demand works, but I cannot force it to ignore ping or DNS packets, so it dial my ISP just too often, let's say every time you misspell a hostname, or queue mail messages. I've posted this question on freebsd-questions, but I had no luck. Thanks Angelo Turetta. System Administrator - STYLO S.r.l. - Bologna aturetta@stylo.italia.com (Angelo Turetta) 100014.1757@compuserve.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 07:06:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA09587 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:06:25 -0700 Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [199.98.84.132]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA09579 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:06:18 -0700 Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00498; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:05:55 -0500 From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199506221405.JAA00498@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: dump errors To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:05:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, phk@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506211439.JAA17552@plains.nodak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Jun 21, 95 09:39:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1275 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Tinguely wrote: > > > > I'm dumping just one filesystem, an ufs filesystem. Fsck reveals no > > > errors, but the drive itself could be going bad at those sectors. > > > Fortunately, you see these types of errors too, so it may yet > > > be a software problem. > > > > In either of your cases are theses ufs filesystems larger than 2G bytes? > > I was going to ask the same question, because the lseek-s in traverse.c should > not read: > if ((int)lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0) < 0) > > but should read: > > if (lseek(diskfd, ((off_t)blkno << dev_bshift), 0)==(off_t) -1) > > as I stated in bug report 461. I doubt this is the problem because you > would get a lot of lseek errors. > I, too, have been having these lseek errors with dump (plus some others that may be related). What I have discovered is that if I take a file system that is failing and rebuild it (cpio it off to another disk or tape, newfs, then cpio it back) dump then gets happy. I have successfully done this with two of the filesystems that I am having problems with. I still have a couple more to go :-( Note that both of these file systems were created on 1.1.5.1 and just under 2GB. -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com (or obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net) Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 07:47:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA10823 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:47:05 -0700 Received: from beru.wustl.edu (beru.wustl.edu [128.252.157.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA10817 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:47:02 -0700 Received: by beru.wustl.edu (4.1/ECL-A1.21) id AA08162; Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:45:55 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:45:55 CDT Message-Id: <9506221445.AA08162@beru.wustl.edu> From: Brian Gottlieb To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: PPP password security In-Reply-To: <199506220615.IAA24196@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <199506212159.RAA22871@magic.winnet.net> <199506220615.IAA24196@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch (J) writes: J> As Piero Serini wrote: >> >> > ... If you cannot >> > trust root, forget about Unix security. >> >> So if I crack root on a single machine of yours, do I also get >> all the routers' passwords in your network, and a nice set of >> .rhosts all around your machines? J> You will certainly get all the passwords of machines where i need to J> log in automatically. You won't get any other password, of course, J> since i've got the habit of neither writing passwords down anywhere J> nor storing them anywhere in a computer. :-) J> The original poster clarified meanwhile that he actually intented to J> enter the encryption key manually each time (but hmm, why doesn't he J> enter the password manually then eacht time? :), but anything you J> wanna have done automatically suffers from the above problem. Well, I suppose I should step in and let everyone know my current idea. To restate the problem for clarity, I was concerned about leaving a login script in plain-text. The script would be compromising my password into my ISP's machine (since it uses it to log in). My solution to this was to manually enter the login script after running the ppp program. Ideally, I would only need to run it after a reboot, so it would be a minor inconvenience. But then there is the problem of the ppp.security file having a plain-text password in it. This was where I wanted to have it use a stored encrypted password. If it had that, then it could go a step further and have the login script encrypted in the ppp.conf file and have the key bey the plain-text password (that it would get when I connected to it and authenticated the first time).But seeing as how that still doesn't get away from any interaction on my part, it would be just as easy to enter the script then, too. So now I am thinking of adding a "set passwd" command to the program. So the first time I run it (with -auto), then connect, I set the login script, and set the password. On subsequent connections, it will use that password instead of going to the ppp.secret file. To me, this is more secure, since the password doesn't appear anywhere except in memory, and I can change it on a whim. For now, however, I have done as J"org suggested for convenience. brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 08:23:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA12281 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:23:05 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12268 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:23:01 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA23359 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:23:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:23:18 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506221523.QAA23359@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5-950622-SNAP now on freefall.. Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It's a very minimal distribution (no X and no compat* dists) so it's mainly for testing purposes to see if we have solved some of the installation problems. Check it out! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 08:45:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA13033 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:45:07 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13027 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:45:05 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id KAA04828; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:44:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:44:58 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506221544.KAA04828@plains.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: mrouted Content-Length: 496 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At the time I was observing this I believe it was Marc Tinguely who > sent me temporary fixes to /sys/net , ifconfig and netstat. > After applying these fixes I could see the local sessions again. I sent you the fixes Bill Fenner wrote for the mroute 3.5 kernel code because it sounded like a problem we had here with routes not being advertise correctly. This problem should still be in FreeBSD-2.0.5 because that code is still based on version 3.3. Is your problem in -current? --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 09:06:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA13980 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:06:12 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA13974 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:06:11 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA25596; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:07:04 -0700 From: "Steven G. Kargl" Message-Id: <199506221607.JAA25596@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: charnier@lirmm.fr, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506201807.AA26131@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 20, 95 12:07:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2507 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to Terry Lambert: > > > According to some people, I think that 2.7.0 should be part of FreeBSD > > as soon as possible, so that specific changes could be incorporated in > > the next gcc release. Maybe an intermediate stage in the port area > > would be nice for fixing some parts of the tree (e.g. because of the > > new ``for'' semantic) without breaking current. > > Just out of curiousity, what is the status of the Ada and FORTRAN > compilers, both of which must use parts of the C compiler to do their > thing? Are they compatible with 2.7.0 yet? > finger fortran@alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu I'm working on 0.5.16 which fixes a few bugs, some introduced by 0.5.15 or similarly recently. See "Bugs fixed" for info on them, as usual, and one of them includes a quickie patch to solve the problem (which causes g77 to crash). This version-in-progress is in alpha test now, and work is being wrapped up on the righ way to fix the complex-assignment bug without making slow code in too many cases. Also, I started working on a new version of g77 to support the forthcoming gcc-2.7.0 a couple of weeks ago, and sent that to alpha test over a week ago. The early prognosis is that at least some, if not all, bugs involving the RS/6000 port of g77/gcc have been fixed, which is good news. No news yet on the Alpha. Now that gcc-2.7.0 is released, it seems that at least one alpha tester has had some success with it using the alpha release of g77 for the pre-2.7.0 I started with. This suggests that g77 for 2.7.0 should not be much more work, though I'm considering spending extra time to make a single g77 version that handles both 2.6.3 and 2.7.0 (instead of separate g77 versions for those gcc releases, which is the "obvious and easy" approach that might be more annoying in the long run). The latest private alpha-test releases of g77 are: g77-0.5.16-950529 (95/05/29 16:00) -- for gcc-2.6.3 g77-0.5.16-950529-ss-950518 (95/05/29 16:00) -- for gcc-2.7.0-950518 ss-950518 (95/05/20 02:49) -- gcc-2.7.0-950518 The latest public beta-test release of g77 is: g77-0.5.15 (95/05/19 12:30) -- the front end gcc-2.6.3 (95/01/25 20:05) -- the back end BTW, our g77 port is at 0.5.14. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.x-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 09:10:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA14542 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:10:01 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA14530 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:09:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA06258 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:11:35 -0400 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA05554 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:50:37 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09134 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:48:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 06:48:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199506221348.GAA09134@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Bug in IBCS2 support and kbdcontrol support From: gruppoin@ar.ats.interbusiness.it (WWW Form) To: www@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The machine this came from was: (null) I try to install IBCS2 support; after some effort for relinking kernel,I relinked correctly; some SCO-UNIX 3.2.4.2 commands work correctly, but ACUCOBOL for SCO-UNIX does not: when I run COBOL compiler, it runs; when I run COBOL runtime (runcbl), I have a PANIC, KERNEL PAGE FAULT, and my system reboots. what must I do ? another, very little bug is in kbdcontrol: if I copy from SCO-unix /usr/lib/keyboard/keys and I do kdbcontrol, I have garbage; The problem is on a row having '\\' for backslash; if I change whit '\', it works. If you want italian keyboard support, mail me. (I dont know if this mailbox is correct for these questions, but I am novice in Internet .... sorry). From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 09:42:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15988 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:42:33 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15982 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:42:25 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00846; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:38:49 +0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:38:48 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FreeBSD hackers , Joerg Wunsch cc: Nick Kralevich Subject: Re: more gritching on the net.. In-Reply-To: <199506201743.TAA16054@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > Packets are still transmitted even though the UP flag is not turned > > on in an interface. > > Well, this is a bug, but rather a very low priority one (since i think > it does no harm to anybody). I brought down my primary Ethernet interface and sure enough no packets went out (or came in).... is this what he was talking about? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 09:43:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16035 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:43:30 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16029 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:43:25 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00857; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:42:54 +0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:42:54 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Argh... more 2.0.5 panics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here's that biodone panic again: biodone: page busy < 0, off: 196608, foff: 196608, resid: 4096, index: 0 iosize: 8192, lblkno: 24 valid: 0xff, dirty: 0x0, mapped: 0 panic: biodone: page busy < 0 syncing disks... 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 giving up Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Rebooting... I'm having a hard time tracking down these panics, except that they occur with unsettling frequency whenever I try stress testing an httpd server (usually Apache, of late). Sometimes it's a "fatal trap 12" panic, sometimes there is no syslog evidence at all... I don't suppose there's a brief tutorial on analyzing kernel crash dumps? I certainly could use one here. :( -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 09:58:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16594 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:58:38 -0700 Received: from dsw.com (root@[199.171.231.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16588 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:58:37 -0700 Received: from dsw.dsw.com by dsw.com (8.6.12) id KAA01224; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:58:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:58:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Pete Kruckenberg To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Disk quotas: why broken, when fixed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've read several comments about disk quotas in 2.0.5R, most of them saying that they're broken. Could somebody take a sec to tell me exactly what is broken and why? I'd love to try to fix it, but I'd like a little insight beforehand. Is anyone working on fixing disk quotas yet? I wouldn't want to duplicate efforts, so let me know now before I get started. A short history of when disk quotas were broken, why they got broken, and what might be needed to fix them would be very helpful. Thanks. Pete Kruckenberg pete@dsw.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 10:21:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17697 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:21:09 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17688 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:21:05 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA06122; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:14:55 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:14:55 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506221714.DAA06122@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: Strance mv error message Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >bash$ mv /tmp/foo ~/foo >mv: /home/witr/foo: set owner/group: Operation not permitted >bash$ ls -l foo >-rw-r----- 1 witr witr 0 Jun 20 12:16 foo >mv(1) says that a move across filesystems is like a cp -pr, and >cp(1) says: > -p Causes cp to preserve in the copy as many of the modification time, > access time, file flags, file mode, user ID, and group ID as al- > lowed by permissions. > If the user ID and group ID cannot be preserved, no error message > is displayed and the exit value is not altered. >So, why the error message? The man page for mv is apparently out of date. mv uses fastcopy() to move single files across file systems and in BSD4.4lite fastcopy() is fussier than `cp -p'. This may be a bug. mv uses `cp -PRp', not `cp -pr', to move directories across file systems. The -r flag is deprecated. This is a bug in mv.1. Note that moving directories across file systems is broken. Hard links are snapped, the sticky bit is not preserved, not all modification times are preserved, ... These bugs are all in `cp -PRp'. Bad things also happen when setuid or immutable bits can't be preserved. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 10:35:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18172 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:35:15 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18166 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:35:12 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA06679; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:33:32 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:33:32 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506221733.DAA06679@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: charnier@lirmm.fr, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >BTW. A full rebuild of the 2.7.0 sources on SunOS 4.1.3 (as in their >example in the INSTALL (did *not* result in a .weak complaint). .weak is only used if ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL() is defined. It is only defined in i386/freebsd.h (although FreeBSD doesn't support it), i386/osfrose.h, m88k/m88k.h, netbsd.h and svr4.h. It is to support the __weak attribute (which gives aliased symbols). I think use of this attribute is optional. It can easily be implemented in an unportable way using stabs. libgcc2 uses it if it is available. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 10:44:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18478 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:44:14 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18472 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:44:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id NAA29378; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:46:55 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506221746.NAA29378@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506221725.KAA06690@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 22, 95 10:25:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1398 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Hallo Rod & Bug-Readers, > > > > > > sometimes the reboot hangs on an 486-DX4-100 PCI (ASUS4SP3G - Board). > > > > > > CHeck that you have your external cache set to write-through mode, > > > and ISA GAT mode disabled in the BIOS setup screens. > > > > > Well Rod, thank you for the hint (it was not on write-through > > and ISA GAT was enabled), but the problem remains; > > > > and it seems, that about each 2nd reboot fails. > > > > any further suggestions ? > > Have you customized the kernel for the machine? Or are you running > the GENERIC kernel. I have had 2 sites report ASUS-PCI/I-486SP3G boot > hangs when using the GENERIC kernel (though I can not duplicate them > here) that went away once they built a kernel specifically for the > hardware they had. > > Have you triple checked your SCSI bus termination, and when the hang > happens does your SCSI drive LED tend to be on solid indicating a > scsi bus hang? Hello I have a ASUS-SP3G W/i486DX2/66. I have the same problem, it hangs during reboot 30% of the time. I don't have any problems with my scsi bus. There are two quantum drives and a plextor CDROM on the scsi bus. I compiled a custom kernel a week ago. Eric echet@coil.com > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 11:03:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19158 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:03:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19151 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:03:18 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06863; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:03:22 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506221803.LAA06863@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: echet@coil.com (Eric Chet) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506221746.NAA29378@bronze.coil.com> from "Eric Chet" at Jun 22, 95 01:46:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1545 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > > Hallo Rod & Bug-Readers, > > > > > > > > sometimes the reboot hangs on an 486-DX4-100 PCI (ASUS4SP3G - Board). > > > > > > > > CHeck that you have your external cache set to write-through mode, > > > > and ISA GAT mode disabled in the BIOS setup screens. > > > > > > > Well Rod, thank you for the hint (it was not on write-through > > > and ISA GAT was enabled), but the problem remains; > > > > > > and it seems, that about each 2nd reboot fails. > > > > > > any further suggestions ? > > > > Have you customized the kernel for the machine? Or are you running > > the GENERIC kernel. I have had 2 sites report ASUS-PCI/I-486SP3G boot > > hangs when using the GENERIC kernel (though I can not duplicate them > > here) that went away once they built a kernel specifically for the > > hardware they had. > > > > Have you triple checked your SCSI bus termination, and when the hang > > happens does your SCSI drive LED tend to be on solid indicating a > > scsi bus hang? > > Hello > I have a ASUS-SP3G W/i486DX2/66. I have the same problem, it hangs > during reboot 30% of the time. I don't have any problems with my scsi bus. > There are two quantum drives and a plextor CDROM on the scsi bus. I > compiled a custom kernel a week ago. Could you be specific about just where in the reboot it hangs? Is it at the ``mounting root'' or is it before that? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 11:08:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19349 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:08:27 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19341 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:08:25 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05989; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:07:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA00570; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:08:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199506221808.LAA00570@corbin.Root.COM> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: nickkral@sextans.eecs.berkeley.edu (Nick Kralevich) Subject: Re: more gritching on the net.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:43:55 +0200." <199506201743.TAA16054@uriah.heep.sax.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:07:54 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Packets are still transmitted even though the UP flag is not turned >> on in an interface. > >Well, this is a bug, but rather a very low priority one (since i think >it does no harm to anybody). I fixed it a few days ago. It had been that way since the SLIP code was written many years ago. I guess nobody thought it was important enough to fix. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 11:28:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19892 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:28:17 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA19886 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:28:16 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03268; Thu, 22 Jun 95 12:21:16 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506221821.AA03268@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Disk quotas: why broken, when fixed? To: pete@dsw.com (Pete Kruckenberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 12:21:15 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Pete Kruckenberg" at Jun 22, 95 10:58:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've read several comments about disk quotas in 2.0.5R, most of them > saying that they're broken. Could somebody take a sec to tell me exactly > what is broken and why? I'd love to try to fix it, but I'd like a little > insight beforehand. > > Is anyone working on fixing disk quotas yet? I wouldn't want to duplicate > efforts, so let me know now before I get started. > > A short history of when disk quotas were broken, why they got broken, and > what might be needed to fix them would be very helpful. I'm not currently working on quotas. I don't want to work on quotas for the near future; it seems to me that the quota mechanism should itself be abstracted as a file system layer instead of being as embedded everywhere as it it, so that it would apply to all of the file systems equally. By the same token, the bottom end of the UFS interface (incorrectly) consumes kernel internals instead of consuming the vfs interface; this is also largely bad, but an obvious result of not having an anonymous block layer (on top of which one could easily implement policies like striping or volume spanning). It also seems to me that quota operation on a per inode basis is *bad*, and that internal use should be vnode based instead. This is all part of the general BSD use of inodes as primary objects for caching, etc. instead of vnodes, which would be more orthogonal given the stacking interface. On the general issue of quotas, there is one *blatant* failure mode, which is the requirement for the use of a user space utility to pass in the quotaon as a system call (instead of it being treated as a mount option). Because of this, if you failed to specify a different file for each file system, you could easily run into problems. There is no computation of transitive closure over the graph: the key to the record is the inode number instead of the inode number and device (when in reality a proper implementation would probably be the UID and the device). There are several other potential race conditions. You can close them by explicitly turning off the quotas before unmount and by maintaining the quota file for a mounted file system on the file system itself. Both of these (potentially) reduce the usefulness of quotas, especially the pre-unmount disabling in light of system shutdown procedure. Anyway, it's pretty ugly code and I don't want to look at it any more. 8^). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 12:16:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21281 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:16:27 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21275 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:16:26 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11595; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:14:54 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506221914.MAA11595@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Boot2 fix for review To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka" at Jun 21, 95 00:52:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 114 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > ! printf("partition is out of reach from the bios\n"); printf("partition is out of the BIOS's reach\n"); From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 12:20:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21549 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:20:59 -0700 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA21543 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:20:57 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.140) with smtp id ; Thu, 22 Jun 95 21:20 MEST Received: by sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de; id AA18453; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:20:51 +0200 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <9506221920.AA18453@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: things to be fixed before 2.1 (continued) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:20:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 791 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello just one more thing - is there any reason for the entry with "CCFPU" in /etc/make.conf - i grep'd through the complete /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc tree and haven't found any ifdef - and also in the makefile's until there is nothing to find - is this option still used ? t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 12:36:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22390 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:36:29 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22374 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:36:09 -0700 Received: (from bertus@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA27916 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:36:30 +0200 From: Bertus Pretorius Message-Id: <199506221936.VAA27916@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: DES, crypt and eBones - Non US Site To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:36:30 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2684 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I resend this because of the distribution problems which many had. Many things deleted.... > > > > Give me a site stable enough that could be used and I we can talk it > > up in -core. But from past record we are not doing to good here. We > > have had 3 folks from outside the USA start down this road, and we are > > hoping that that Mark can stay with it for the long haul, but without > > a site as devoted to FreeBSD as freefall by corporate dollar I don't see > > us moving the bits any place. > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > > > On this point, sorry for the lateness - I was on leave and even though jhay (John Hay) is good at development, he is a bit slow on giving me important messages - and I missed this one :) (He gave me a 'klap' for this). We, at the CSIR - the bunch that takes care of skeleton (Mark's crypt and eBones site) should qualify for the above needed place. In fact we are volutering to do the job. First I need to give some background to motivate our commitment to such a site. We are part of the Councel for Scientific Industrial Research of South Africa. The CSIR was founded more than 50 years ago with some 3000 people employed. The CSIR do basic research and development with our group looking after networking, information delivery, security and encryption. Our group's development environment is FreeBSD and the secure routers and firewalls developed is running on top of FreeBSD. This is a long term commitment and should stay like that while the FreeBSD culture stays the same. On the security and encryption side - we are in the use and design of security and encryption systems and algorithms for the past 12 to 15 years and this provides us a competetive edge in parts of our bussiness. I hope this emphasises our commitment to such a site - in fact an expansion of skeleton as it is now. On the operational side; jhay is looking after our main development machine and volunteered to look after the new skeleton as well. We will then be responsible for the uptime and backups of the machine and most likely mirror the last two releases and may be current of FreeBSD. That is sort of the framework and would like some inputs and other requirements. -- +-Bertus Pretorius------------ (O) (O) ---------------bertus@mikom.csir.co.za-+ | mikomtek ^ +27 12 841-3001 (Voice) | | CSIR \___/ +27 12 841-4720 (FAX) | +-----------------A smile is the same in all languages------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 13:24:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23738 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:24:08 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23732 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:24:06 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA25786 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:24:04 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id WAA04688 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:24:03 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506222024.WAA04688@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Weird value in freefall's vmstat -s output To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:24:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 420 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just saw that on freefall : 2 pages in VM cache 2818 pages wired down 196 pages free 192 bytes per page ^^^ Uh ? There is 4096 bytes per page on a x86 processor, who stole 'em ? :-) Outdated vmtstat ? PS: Keltia output is normal (4096). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 13:30:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24051 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:30:42 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24043 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:30:39 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA25669 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:17:26 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Fri, 23 Jun 95 00:17:25 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA00429; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:14:09 +0400 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jim Bryant References: <199506202047.PAA00882@argus.iadfw.net> In-Reply-To: <199506202047.PAA00882@argus.iadfw.net>; from Jim Bryant at Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:47:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:14:08 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: /etc/inetd.conf, /etc/services, and in.identd Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 674 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506202047.PAA00882@argus.iadfw.net> Jim Bryant writes: >in the default /etc/services, port 113 is listed as 'auth', whereas in >/etc/inetd.conf, in.identd is listed under 'ident'. /etc/services now reflects last RFC. Expect 'auth', there is an alias in the same lines, which says 'ident'. You can address port with _both_ names, I don't understand your problem. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 14:25:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26390 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:25:11 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA26382 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:25:01 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA01495; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:24:53 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA06340; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:24:47 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA25560; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:58:30 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506222058.WAA25560@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: PPP password security To: brian@arl.wustl.edu (Brian Gottlieb) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:58:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506221445.AA08162@beru.wustl.edu> from "Brian Gottlieb" at Jun 22, 95 09:45:55 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 699 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Gottlieb wrote: > > So now I am thinking of adding a "set passwd" command to the program. > So the first time I run it (with -auto), then connect, I set the login > script, and set the password. On subsequent connections, it will use > that password instead of going to the ppp.secret file. [...] Well, this makes sense, but don't forget to add a timeout option to the daemon. Otherwise, it will prevent the system from auto-booting after a panic or power-fail. (And yes, there are still people who like to run their machines unattended. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 14:50:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27541 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:50:24 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27535 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:50:22 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.5/8.7.Beta.5) with SMTP id RAA00423 for < hackers@freefall.cdrom.com>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506222150.RAA00423@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 17:50:17 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am looking to use FreeBSD as a router to route IP between 3 or 4 Ethernet segments (meaning 3 or 4 NICs). I have a PCI 486 (Asus SP3G) all line up for the job. The only thing I need are some NICs. My question: what are the best PCI Ethernet (10base2 at this time, though combo cards would be appreciated) NICs available that work with FreeBSD? On top, if anyone has had any experiences (good or bad) with this sort of a setup I'd like to hear about it. While I'm sure many people would suggest that I get a Cisco or a similar box to do the job, I really can't justify the cost of one of those units in our small business environment. A PC running gated gives the best price/performance ratio. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 15:01:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28114 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:01:58 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28107 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:01:52 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA08357; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:01:41 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506222201.PAA08357@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: evanc@synapse.net Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506222150.RAA00423@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 22, 95 05:50:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1976 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I am looking to use FreeBSD as a router to route IP between 3 or 4 > Ethernet segments (meaning 3 or 4 NICs). I have a PCI 486 (Asus SP3G) > all line up for the job. The only thing I need are some NICs. I am in the process of qualifing the ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G for multiple PCI bus master operation. By all indications so far it works just fine when running 3 NCR bus master controllers, so it does not appear to have the same bug that the Neptune chip set does in this area (Neptune based boards barfs 10 minutes into my 2 day long test suite). I have not got to the 3 Dec 21040 based testing yet. > My question: what are the best PCI Ethernet (10base2 at this time, > though combo cards would be appreciated) NICs available that work with > FreeBSD? XX. TMG CPXPCI/32C Compex ENET32-PCI PCI 32bit ethernet combo $ 103.00 Currently out of stock, more due in on June 28th. I have plenty of this one in stock though: XX. TMG SMC12680 SMC9332EVAL SMC 10/100MB qty 2 DEC 21140 combo $ 285.00 That is 2 cards, so it is $142/card, and you have the ability to go 100BaseTx when you need it. > On top, if anyone has had any experiences (good or bad) with this sort > of a setup I'd like to hear about it. While I'm sure many people > would suggest that I get a Cisco or a similar box to do the job, I > really can't justify the cost of one of those units in our small > business environment. A PC running gated gives the best > price/performance ratio. I am running 4 of the SMC cards in a 90Mhz Pentium acting as a router here. Works just fine, though FreeBSD could use some routing code overhauls (performance wise it does not make a very fast router :-(). This was done to delay the expenduture for a Grand Junction 100MB/sec 100BaseTX hub for a month or two and so far I am happy with it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 15:03:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28415 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:03:46 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28403 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:03:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24504; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:03:38 +0100 To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:50:17 EDT." <199506222150.RAA00423@sentinel.synapse.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:03:38 +0100 Message-ID: <24502.803858618@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I am looking to use FreeBSD as a router to route IP between 3 or 4 > Ethernet segments (meaning 3 or 4 NICs). I have a PCI 486 (Asus SP3G) > all line up for the job. The only thing I need are some NICs. We do this all the time and have one machine currently serving 3 ethernets without any trouble. That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. Don't expect to get more than 400K/sec through the router in a 10Mb/sec ethernet scenario (theoretical max would be around 1100K/sec). > My question: what are the best PCI Ethernet (10base2 at this time, > though combo cards would be appreciated) NICs available that work with > FreeBSD? The SMC Ultra 16 works very well.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 15:10:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29159 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:10:33 -0700 Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA29153 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:10:32 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by mail1.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA01408; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:04:31 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA07906; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:04:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA05119; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:14:12 GMT Message-Id: <199506221814.SAA05119@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:50:17 EDT." <199506222150.RAA00423@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:14:12 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am looking to use FreeBSD as a router to route IP between 3 or 4 > Ethernet segments (meaning 3 or 4 NICs). I have a PCI 486 (Asus SP3G) > all line up for the job. The only thing I need are some NICs. > > My question: what are the best PCI Ethernet (10base2 at this time, > though combo cards would be appreciated) NICs available that work with > FreeBSD? Do you really need 10base2 (thinwire) or could you deal with 10baseT? If 10baseT is OK, I would get one of the 4 port PCI cards based on the DC21040. This would give you 4 10baseT ports on one card. > On top, if anyone has had any experiences (good or bad) with this sort > of a setup I'd like to hear about it. While I'm sure many people > would suggest that I get a Cisco or a similar box to do the job, I > really can't justify the cost of one of those units in our small > business environment. A PC running gated gives the best > price/performance ratio. I know of one of the root nameservers is sitting behind an router which happens to be an ASUS SP3G with an AMD 486/100, an Ethernet controller, a FDDI (DEFPA), and running BSD/OS 2.0. Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/ Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my Littleton, MA own warped views, etc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 15:27:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA01555 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:27:37 -0700 Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA01543 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:27:33 -0700 Received: by gateway.cybernet.com (8.6.8/1.0A) id TAA05634; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:03:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:03:28 -0400 From: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Message-Id: <199506222303.TAA05634@gateway.cybernet.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: brokenness in kern_time.c: timevalfix() Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed that timevalfix() does not calculate fixes 'correctly' (completely). I assume that it is suposed to take a given timeval structure and 'fix' it so that tv_usec is less than one million and greater than zero, while adjusting tv_sec appropriately. void timevalfix(t1) struct timeval *t1; { if (t1->tv_usec < 0) { /* <------------- should be 'while'? t1->tv_sec--; t1->tv_usec += 1000000; } if (t1->tv_usec >= 1000000) { /* <------------- should be 'while'? t1->tv_sec++; t1->tv_usec -= 1000000; } } Another way to fix it would be to do an integer division of tv_usec by 1000000 to determine how many seconds need to be added / subtracted: int sec_cor; sec_cor = t1->tv_usec / 1000000; t1->tv_sec += sec_cor; t1->tv_usec -= sec_cor * 1000000; Also, timevalfix() is called by timevaladd() and timevalsub(), so why is it being called in settimeofday() right after a timevaladd()? Isn't this redundant? These 'problems' have been in kern_time.c at least since FreeBSD 1.1.5.1. Would someone please explain to me why not to fix timevalfix()? Does it have to do with speed, or (possibly) other routines rely on this 'brokenness'? -Mark Taylor mtaylor@cybernet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 16:19:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA04198 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:19:56 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA04192 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:19:50 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA15556; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:18:23 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:18:23 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506222318.JAA15556@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Subject: Re: brokenness in kern_time.c: timevalfix() Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I've noticed that timevalfix() does not calculate fixes 'correctly' >(completely). I assume that it is suposed to take a given timeval structure >and 'fix' it so that tv_usec is less than one million and greater than zero, >while adjusting tv_sec appropriately. I think it is only supposed to handle naively added and subtracted valid timevals. For such pre-timevals, -999999 <= t1->tv_usec < 1999999 so there is no need to loop. itimerfix() rejects invalid timevals. >Another way to fix it would be to do an integer division of tv_usec by 1000000 >to determine how many seconds need to be added / subtracted: The extra division and multiplication would make this method 10-20 times slower on i*86's. >Also, timevalfix() is called by timevaladd() and timevalsub(), so why is it >being called in settimeofday() right after a timevaladd()? Isn't this >redundant? I think it fixes `delta' not being timevalfix()ed. It doesn't fix `atv' not being validated. This is a bug. >These 'problems' have been in kern_time.c at least since FreeBSD 1.1.5.1. The previous bug wasn't in 1.1.5.1, (`runtime' didn't exist and only the seconds part of `boottime' was adjusted, so `boottime' was sometimes inaccurate but never invalid). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:08:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA06460 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:08:49 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06454 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:08:47 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA19944 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:08:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion), hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:03:38 BST." <24502.803858618@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19942.803866124@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <24502.803858618@whisker.internet-eireann.ie>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" w rites: >> I am looking to use FreeBSD as a router to route IP between 3 or 4 >> Ethernet segments (meaning 3 or 4 NICs). I have a PCI 486 (Asus SP3G) >> all line up for the job. The only thing I need are some NICs. >We do this all the time and have one machine currently serving 3 >ethernets without any trouble. >That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete >with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the >problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. Make that 3 ethernets and 2 base T nets (one of them being a 100bT :-)) It's been running without problem for *41* days!! (YIPES!) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:11:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA06708 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:11:17 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06700 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:11:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id UAA09797; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:13:58 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506230013.UAA09797@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506222041.NAA07994@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 22, 95 01:41:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1339 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Hello > > > > I have a ASUS-SP3G W/i486DX2/66. I have the same problem, it hangs > > > > during reboot 30% of the time. I don't have any problems with my scsi bus. > > > > There are two quantum drives and a plextor CDROM on the scsi bus. I > > > > compiled a custom kernel a week ago. > > > > > > Could you be specific about just where in the reboot it hangs? Is it > > > at the ``mounting root'' or is it before that? > > > > > > > Sorry I should have been more specific. It goes through the shutdown, > > "rebooting, syncing, Done" 30% of the time it freezes here, it just > > locks up. I then have to hit thre reset button. This is with the cache > > set to write-through.. IF the cache is set to write-back sometimes when I > > hit the reset button, I get a CMOS checksum error after the memory test. > > This is not a ``hand during boot'', this is a failure during shutdown. > > If this is a 2.0.5 system try compiling your kernel with > > options "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" > Hello Yes this is a 2.0.5R kernel, I will giv that option a try. Thank you for all your help Rod and the rest of the CORE team. Eric - echet@coil.com > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:14:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA06996 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:14:06 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06986 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:14:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id UAA09852; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:16:43 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506230016.UAA09852@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: router card To: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506221924.AA04236@hermes> from "Steve Khoo" at Jun 22, 95 12:24:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 795 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > | > | How about a 128kbps ISDN card for ~$400 or maybe less? > > Where'd you find it at this price? The best I've seen was still MSRP: $595. > > | > | DigiBoard DataFire ISDN LAN Adapter. It's an ISA-bus board. It has a > | built in NT1 and provide ISDN U interface to connect directly to your > | ISDN phone line. > | > Hello This card is supposed to look like a ethernet card to the system right? If so does anybody have one up and running with freebsd? If not I guess I wiil go with the Ascend pipeline 50 ISDN router. Thanks once again, Eric - echet@coil.com > Thanks, > larry > > > Try Hank Wilkinson @ Computer City (714)513-3336 if you're local. If > not local try any Computer City sales rep near you. > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:28:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA07821 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:28:21 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07815 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:28:17 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA00290 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:28:14 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199506230028.TAA00290@mpp.com> Subject: Check the date and time at boot To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:28:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1162 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small helper program) to check if the system date and time may be wrong? I did this after having my system clock wacked a couple of times, and didn't notice it for a day or so, and thought that it would be a good thing to have in the system by default What I did was write a small program to check/record the system date in a file in the root file system. At boot time, the program checks if the time in the file and the current time differ by more than 24 hours (the time period is user selectable). If it is, then /etc/rc will inform you of this, and give you the option to fix it by running /bin/sh (or "su root" if your console isn't secure). I could also add a sysconfig option to make it not stop and ask if you want to change the date for machines that reside in unattended areas. Once an hour cron runs the program to update the date file, and will also issue a log message if the current time appears to be off. If there is interest, I'll gather everything up and submit them. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:42:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA08513 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:42:10 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08486 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:41:58 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30747>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:42:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Evan Champion , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <24502.803858618@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 17:55:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09170 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:55:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09163 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:55:00 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA09076; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:55:06 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230055.RAA09076@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: mpp@legarto.minn.net (Mike Pritchard) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230028.TAA00290@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at Jun 22, 95 07:28:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1473 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small > helper program) to check if the system date and time may be > wrong? I did this after having my system clock wacked a couple > of times, and didn't notice it for a day or so, and thought that it > would be a good thing to have in the system by default > > What I did was write a small program to check/record the system > date in a file in the root file system. At boot time, the > program checks if the time in the file and the current time > differ by more than 24 hours (the time period is user selectable). > If it is, then /etc/rc will inform you of this, and give > you the option to fix it by running /bin/sh (or "su root" if your > console isn't secure). I could also add a sysconfig option > to make it not stop and ask if you want to change the date for > machines that reside in unattended areas. > > Once an hour cron runs the program to update the date file, > and will also issue a log message if the current time appears > to be off. > > If there is interest, I'll gather everything up and submit > them. The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 18:08:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09667 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:08:34 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09656 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:08:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA09137; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:08:10 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230108.SAA09137@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 22, 95 05:42:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 938 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > > The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the > bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? The bottleneck is that you have to wait for full frame reception before you get an interrupt to tell you to go look at the header to decide what to do with the packet. In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is even completly received. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 18:23:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10473 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:23:23 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10465 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:23:21 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA27588; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:50:41 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506230120.KAA27588@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:50:41 +0930 (CST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 22, 95 05:42:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1097 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius stands accused of saying: > > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > > The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the > bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? Latency. The ability to receive and transmit continually on all ports. As jordan said, router manufacturers throw _serious_ hardware at their designs; most of them are built around special-purpose backplanes with considerably more bandwidth than PCI. They usually have one CPU per interface, and a couple more running the show. > Tom -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 18:29:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10971 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:29:07 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10956 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:28:56 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30747>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:29:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506230108.SAA09137@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > The bottleneck is that you have to wait for full frame reception > before you get an interrupt to tell you to go look at the header > to decide what to do with the packet. > > In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting > the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so > they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is > even completly received. A bit of extra delay shouldn't affect throughput, especially with TCP large window support, or does it? Can't PC ethernet cards also be handled in the same matter? Or are there none available with that feature? From looking in Netblazer ST around here, it appears to have a SMC ethernet card in it..... Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 18:58:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA12090 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:58:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12082 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:58:32 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA09235; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:58:26 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230158.SAA09235@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 22, 95 06:29:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1643 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > The bottleneck is that you have to wait for full frame reception > > before you get an interrupt to tell you to go look at the header > > to decide what to do with the packet. > > > > In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting > > the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so > > they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is > > even completly received. > > A bit of extra delay shouldn't affect throughput, especially with TCP large > window support, or does it? It won't effect long TCP streams, but it sure as heck raises cane with UDP traffic (NFS for example) which has no window and must wait for round trip times for packet acks. > > Can't PC ethernet cards also be handled in the same matter? Or are > there none available with that feature? I have never seen a PC ethernet card with that feature, and the only NIC chip I have seen with it was a custom one done specifically for this purpose (also used in Ethernet Switches). > From looking in Netblazer ST around here, it appears to have a SMC > ethernet card in it..... A Netblazer ST is a far cry from a real router!!! We are talking about ethernet to ethernet routers, not modem pool to ethernet routers. FreeBSD does a fine job as a slip/ppp modem pool to ethernet router, just ask the 100 or so people doing just that with it all over the place (or is that now 1000's doing that :-)). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 19:19:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA13154 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:55 -0700 Received: from edcom.com (edcom.com [140.174.173.185]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA13148 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:53 -0700 Received: (from edward@localhost) by edcom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA08823 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:31 -0700 From: Edward Wang Message-Id: <199506230219.TAA08823@edcom.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Java Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone working on a port of Java? Wanna do it? (I've sent a similar query to the Java-Porting list.) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 19:26:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA13613 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:26:43 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAB13606 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:26:41 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04529; Thu, 22 Jun 95 20:19:07 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506230219.AA04529@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 20:19:07 MDT Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 22, 95 05:42:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > > The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the > bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? I suspect there are bottlenecks everywhere. You can probably start with linear traversal of the routing table and non-seperate reader/writer locks coupled with a lack of kernel preemption. A lot of things could be done to the code to speed it up -- have at it (with Garrett's approval on robustness, of course). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 19:38:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA14199 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:38:25 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA14189 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:38:14 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA27725; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506230236.MAA27725@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com (Gary Palmer) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:31 +0930 (CST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19942.803866124@westhill.cdrom.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 22, 95 05:08:44 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 921 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer stands accused of saying: > Make that 3 ethernets and 2 base T nets (one of them being a 100bT > :-)) It's been running without problem for *41* days!! (YIPES!) Is that a 100bT or 100bVG-AnyLan? There's been lots of rudeness about the former going around, but some hard experience would be useful to hear about; particularly for those of us attempting to insert FreeBieSD into commercial environments. "Oh you know about Unix do you; what do you think of 100Mb Ethernets?"8) (Desperately trying to stay on-topic-ish!) > Gary -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 19:46:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA14672 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:46:24 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA14664 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:46:20 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA27742; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:13:44 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506230243.MAA27742@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Disk quotas: why broken, when fixed? To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:13:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: pete@dsw.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506221821.AA03268@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 22, 95 12:21:15 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1278 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > A short history of when disk quotas were broken, why they got broken, and > > what might be needed to fix them would be very helpful. > > I'm not currently working on quotas. [...and then proceeds to explain the (arguably justifible) reasons why...] > Anyway, it's pretty ugly code and I don't want to look at it any more. 8^). Umm. That's not very useful in the light of the large numbers of people who need quotas _now_; broken, limited, performance-impaired or not. Are you prepared to offer them guidance in kludging what there _is_ now to avoid the significant evils whilst you work on your Morally Upstanding and Hi-Fibre filesystem layers? If not, who should they turn to for guidance in the lands of shadow? > Terry Lambert (I expect Terry is mature enough to read the above in the light it was written. Please no vigilantes 8( ) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 20:02:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA15473 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:02:16 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA15450 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:02:08 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA27792; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:29:30 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506230259.MAA27792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:29:29 +0930 (CST) Cc: mpp@legarto.minn.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506230055.RAA09076@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 22, 95 05:55:06 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1360 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small > > helper program) to check if the system date and time may be > > wrong? I did this after having my system clock wacked a couple > > of times, and didn't notice it for a day or so, and thought that it > > would be a good thing to have in the system by default > The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed > at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, > I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. I'd disagree; not everyone's connected to the 'net. This is similar to the Sun thing that prints unhappy messages if the root filesystem's timestamp and the time are out by more than a day or so. I've certainly been drawn to time problems by that message more than once, so I'd say that it was a plus. > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 20:06:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA15902 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:06:33 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA15893 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:06:30 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA23384 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:06:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:31 +0930." <199506230236.MAA27725@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:06:18 -0700 Message-ID: <23382.803876778@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506230236.MAA27725@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>, Michael Smith writes: >Is that a 100bT or 100bVG-AnyLan? There's been lots of rudeness about >the former going around, but some hard experience would be useful >to hear about; particularly for those of us attempting to insert >FreeBieSD into commercial environments. "Oh you know about Unix do you; >what do you think of 100Mb Ethernets?"8) We looked HARD at the situation before we made the choice. So far the only complaint about 100bT that we have had so far is that the damned DOS packet driver abstraction doesn't allow more than a few hundred k/sec through it (even on a pentium), which is kinda useless on a 100bT network. Stick a FreeBSD box on it, and I saw (basically) raw disk throughput (just over 3 mbytes/sec, which is about the speed of the source disk). So far we haven't tested under extreme load yet, but that isn't too far off :-) 100bVG-ANYLAN looked better on paper, but there is a slight lack of support from other people in the industry. HP is about the only company actvely supporting that format (there is another company making PC cards I think, and that's about it). On the other hand, most of the major PC Ethernet card makers have 100bT cards (SMC, 3Com, etc). So you may see 100bVG vanishing, which is why we didn't go with it, despite the known shortcomings of 100bT. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:28:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19448 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:28:44 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19442 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:28:41 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04879; Thu, 22 Jun 95 22:20:31 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506230420.AA04879@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Disk quotas: why broken, when fixed? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 22:20:31 MDT Cc: pete@dsw.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230243.MAA27742@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 23, 95 12:13:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > A short history of when disk quotas were broken, why they got broken, and > > > what might be needed to fix them would be very helpful. > > > > I'm not currently working on quotas. > > [...and then proceeds to explain the (arguably justifible) reasons why...] > > > Anyway, it's pretty ugly code and I don't want to look at it any more. 8^). I meant "any more today, now that I've looked at it to make sure the information in this posting is mostly accurate". I'll get back to them eventually, or someone else will. > Umm. That's not very useful in the light of the large numbers of > people who need quotas _now_; broken, limited, performance-impaired or not. > > Are you prepared to offer them guidance in kludging what there _is_ now > to avoid the significant evils whilst you work on your Morally Upstanding > and Hi-Fibre filesystem layers? I thought I did: o Don't turn them on on the same file for different file system o Turn them off manually before you shutdown instead of having the system do it for you. o Turn them only only after you've mounted everything (again, this pretty much spells "manually"). o Put the quota file somewhere on the filesystem it applies to instead of putting them all in one handy location to guard against dev_t mixups in the code. o If all this fails, arrange it so you can live with just one file system with its quota on. > If not, who should they turn to for guidance in the lands of shadow? That would be Gandalf the puke-green. He's in an entirely different department. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:30:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19600 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:30:19 -0700 Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19591 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:30:17 -0700 Received: from is1.hk.super.net by hk.super.net with SMTP id AA06305 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:29:45 +0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:29:44 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: 1.0.5R instalation In-Reply-To: <199506210609.IAA19543@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As John Beukema wrote: > > > > > > I believe /etc/services is incomplete in my setup. Can someone send me a > > copy of the 1.0.5R version? This may permit me to complete some > > additional backup and redo the installation. > > Do you mean 1.0.2 or 2.0.5? > > I've just put my 1.0.2 CD into the drive, but now i'm realizing that > it's perhaps not what you want... :-) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > I meant 2.0.5R. In the mean time I got a copy of /etc/services and was able to back up X11R6 and my local stuff over the network. I reinstalled 2.05R from scratch and newfs'ed / and /usr. Everything looks good now and I have X running. Incidently I couldn't make a tty01 device using MAKEDEV but the mouse works well with /dev/cuaa1. The new install is VERY good. I have only one comment of a minor nature about the installation proceedure. After media is selected, I selected, FTP then ppp and was given a screen to put IP information (Incidently, it might be a good idea to have the help text mention to leave your address IP blank where the IP address is assigned dynamically.) However, I made a mistake in the nameserver IP address. No problem, reselect media and FTP and ppp and back to the screen to correct the IP address -- but no, you cannot go there again but get a blank blue screen and can only exit, reboot and redo the entire process again. It appears the IP addresses screen can only be reached on the first try but not later. Very minor problem. I will now try and get ppp on demand working. a great job! Thanks. jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:40:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA20282 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:40:48 -0700 Received: from mg1.cdsnet.net (mrcpu@mg1.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA20276 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:40:46 -0700 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by mg1.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA16028; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:40:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Mike Pritchard , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot In-Reply-To: <199506230055.RAA09076@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small > > helper program) to check if the system date and time may be > The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed > at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, > I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. The flaw here is that not everybody is connected to the internet to run a clock-checker program... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:45:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA20419 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:45:55 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA20413 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:45:53 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA09529; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:45:21 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230445.VAA09529@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506230236.MAA27725@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 23, 95 12:06:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 786 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Gary Palmer stands accused of saying: > > Make that 3 ethernets and 2 base T nets (one of them being a 100bT > > :-)) It's been running without problem for *41* days!! (YIPES!) > > Is that a 100bT or 100bVG-AnyLan? There's been lots of rudeness about > the former going around, but some hard experience would be useful > to hear about; particularly for those of us attempting to insert > FreeBieSD into commercial environments. "Oh you know about Unix do you; > what do you think of 100Mb Ethernets?"8) Every thing I am doing here is 100BaseTX. I don't know what Gary has down at cdrom.com, but I suspect it is the same. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:47:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA20553 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:47:36 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA20547 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:47:33 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id AAA15374; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:43:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Mike Pritchard , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot In-Reply-To: <199506230055.RAA09076@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed > at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, > I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. > Where should I look for a list of "good time hosts" [either timed or ntpdate] to sync a master time node to? I couldn't seem to get gatekeeper.dec.com to respond very well, but then again, that was also a shot in the dark. Thanks, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 21:51:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA20670 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:51:30 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA20664 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:51:28 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA09559; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:51:27 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230451.VAA09559@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mpp@legarto.minn.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Jun 22, 95 09:40:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1192 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small > > > helper program) to check if the system date and time may be > > The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed > > at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, > > I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. > > > The flaw here is that not everybody is connected to the internet to run a > clock-checker program... And these are the same types of people who are likely to turn there machines off for more than a few hours, causing this little utility to falsely trigger ever time they boot. No thanks, I don't want to answer all those newbie silly bug reports :-) But I suppose since it would have an /etc/sysconfig knob, with the default state to be off, if it where to be implemented the way that Sun or HP/Apollo did it and use the superblock time stamp instead of some cron job I would be willing to bring it in. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:05:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA20982 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:05:08 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA20976 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:05:01 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA25911; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:02:32 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:02:32 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506230502.PAA25911@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, mpp@legarto.minn.net Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >What I did was write a small program to check/record the system >date in a file in the root file system. At boot time, the Use the timestamp in the super block of the root file system. I usually get the year wrong if anything, by adjusting it without noticing in the BIOS setup. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:25:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA22485 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:25:47 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA22478 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:25:46 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA24028 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:25:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Network Coordinator cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Mike Pritchard , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:43:02 EDT." Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:25:26 -0700 Message-ID: <24026.803885126@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Network Coo rdinator writes: >Where should I look for a list of "good time hosts" [either timed or >ntpdate] to sync a master time node to? I couldn't seem to get >gatekeeper.dec.com to respond very well, but then again, that was also a >shot in the dark. ftp://louie.udel.edu/pub/ntp/doc/clock.txt Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:33:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA22794 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:33:42 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA22788 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:33:41 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA09033 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:34:31 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506230534.BAA09033@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Poor program load time To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1223 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have very often exprienced cases where I will attempt to run a program (be it ls or xterm) where for no apparent reason it takes seconds to load and execute. This is on a P100 w/ 32mb ram and 1gb SCSI disk (but It occurs on all 2.0.5-R systems). My guess is the problem is with the merged vm cache code. As my cache is always full of file data, when I attempt to execute a program there is some sort of contention while the system determines just what the hell it should throw out to get me up and running. AIX has a similar sort of merged cache but program execution is virtually instantaneous. One thing I've noticed with AIX is that when a program is first run it is started with a "higher" priority and as time goes on the priority is lowered. Now, could FreeBSD do the same thing to give "new" processes a kick in the butt so to the end user response time improves? Now all the above is based on supposition on a topic I know virtually nothing about, so If I sound like a rambling idiot please correct me, but explain why the load times are so damn long some times please! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:44:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA23032 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:44:52 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA23026 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:44:28 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30757>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:44:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor program load time In-Reply-To: <199506230534.BAA09033@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > I have very often exprienced cases where I will attempt to run a program (be it > ls or xterm) where for no apparent reason it takes seconds to load and execute. The answer was in this list not so long ago. Apparently it is an xterm problem. Some sort of tset command line will fix it. Sorry I can't be of more help than that. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:50:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA23221 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:50:34 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA23215 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:50:22 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA27010; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:49:26 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:49:26 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506230549.PAA27010@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: Poor program load time Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have very often exprienced cases where I will attempt to run a program (be it >ls or xterm) where for no apparent reason it takes seconds to load and execute. >This is on a P100 w/ 32mb ram and 1gb SCSI disk (but It occurs on all 2.0.5-R >systems). >My guess is the problem is with the merged vm cache code. As my cache is This seems likely. Yesterday it seemed to take > 10 seconds to start a new program after I had been doing large operations on gcc-2.7.0 (compiling while copying and rm -rf'ing old versions). There was time to switch consoles and attempt to start programs on several consoles. Usually the delays seem to be only 1-2 seconds. They have been happening for 6 months except perhaps in May. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 22:59:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA23427 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:59:46 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA23421 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:59:41 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA27268; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:57:24 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:57:24 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506230557.PAA27268@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: Poor program load time Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The answer was in this list not so long ago. Apparently it is an xterm >problem. Some sort of tset command line will fix it. Sorry I can't be >of more help than that. I see the problem and don't use X. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 23:29:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24174 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:29:15 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24168 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:29:14 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA09279 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:30:04 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:30:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1071 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server process looks like so: root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S3) and has only been running a few hours. I've talked with the author of the Server and he was astonished when I told him I've seen it as high as 15M of ram. He claims he never see's this, however he's running it under Linux. He suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 23:37:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24668 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:42 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24646 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:39 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00928; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA00196; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199506230637.XAA00196@corbin.Root.COM> To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 95 02:30:03 EDT." <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:56 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap >utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server process >looks like so: > >root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S3) > >and has only been running a few hours. I've talked with the author of the >Server and he was astonished when I told him I've seen it as high as 15M of >ram. He claims he never see's this, however he's running it under Linux. He >suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This >behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any >proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like >a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you >run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. >Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? The kernel memory allocator has zilch to do with user programs. It's likely caused by some sort of obscure pixmap alloc/free bug in the X server that you just happen to trigger because of something you're doing. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 23:37:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24670 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:42 -0700 Received: from mail.netcom.com (root@mail.netcom.com [192.100.81.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24656 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:37:41 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA16537; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:36:47 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id CAA16400; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:33:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:33:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-Reply-To: <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have noticed this too, and the machine I have noticed it on is not running X at all. [It also has 32 megs of ram]. According to the proc file system I should be using somewhere around 14 megs of ram, and the swap space can sometimes be up to 10 and 12 megabytes. [sometimes pine is credited with using 7.0% of system ram! I have noticed that as a pine session is open it progressively takes up more memory. -Jerry. > I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap > utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server process > looks like so: > > root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S3) > > and has only been running a few hours. I've talked with the author of the > Server and he was astonished when I told him I've seen it as high as 15M of > ram. He claims he never see's this, however he's running it under Linux. He > suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This > behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any > proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like > a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you > run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. > Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 23:42:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24922 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:42:28 -0700 Received: from dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.28.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24916 ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:42:15 -0700 Received: (from bertus@localhost) by dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA05762; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:40:46 +0200 From: Bertus Pretorius Message-Id: <199506230640.IAA05762@dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:40:45 +0200 (SAT) Cc: tom@uniserve.com, jkh@freebsd.org, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506230120.KAA27588@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 23, 95 10:50:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1280 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Tom Samplonius stands accused of saying: > > > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > > > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > > > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > > > > The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the > > bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? > > Latency. The ability to receive and transmit continually on all ports. > > As jordan said, router manufacturers throw _serious_ hardware at their > designs; most of them are built around special-purpose backplanes with > considerably more bandwidth than PCI. They usually have one CPU per > interface, and a couple more running the show. > > > Tom > I agree with this statement. We use FreeBSD as a boundry router (encrypting and firewalling) and works like a carm. We are also working on a FreeBSD Ver 2.0.5 specific SNMP to be available shortly. -- +-Bertus Pretorius------------ (O) (O) ---------------bertus@mikom.csir.co.za-+ | mikomtek ^ +27 12 841-3001 (Voice) | | CSIR \___/ +27 12 841-4720 (FAX) | +-----------------A smile is the same in all languages------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 22 23:58:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA25512 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:58:04 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA25505 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:58:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02292; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199506230644.XAA02292@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:30:03 EDT." <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:44:23 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Charles Henrich said: > I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap > utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server proc ess > looks like so: > > root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S 3) > > and has only been running a few hours. I've talked with the author of the > Server and he was astonished when I told him I've seen it as high as 15M of > ram. He claims he never see's this, however he's running it under Linux. H e > suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. Thi s > behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any > proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing lik e > a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if yo u > run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here . > Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? > > -Crh > Perhaps it depends on what you do. I did xman and it bloated up my S3 X Server over here. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 00:00:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA25821 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:41 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25815 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:35 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA26793; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:59:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199506230659.IAA26793@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: Charles Henrich cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:30:03 EDT." <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:59:52 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Salut, In the message Memory leak somewhere?, Charles Henrich wrote : >I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap >utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server proces >s >looks like so: > >root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S3) > I also noticed that using XF86_SVGA and 950412snap. The problem seems to be the same with 2.0.5 : root 167 0.0 6.3 6412 908 ?? I Tue04PM 1:00.24 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -auth /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/A:0-000164 (XF86_SVGA) % uptime 8:51AM up 2 days, 16:46, 1 user, load averages: 1.02, 1.01, 1.00 Note that xdm is looking for someone, I used another machine/display and rlogin to grab these informations. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 01:01:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA27197 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:01:15 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27174 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:01:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA09946; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:47:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199506230747.AAA09946@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Edward Wang cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:31 PDT." <199506230219.TAA08823@edcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:47:32 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Edward Wang said: > Is anyone working on a port of Java? > Wanna do it? > > (I've sent a similar query to the Java-Porting list.) A bit more of low level work however Guile is available in the ports/lang offers what it looks like the start of a Java language implementation. Guile is basically scheme. At any Guile guile also has a syntax similar to c. Why is Guile a bit more work? mostly because is a new project however, it compile on my freebsd box with very little hazzles. You can't say that about Java. IMHO, Guile with its multiple personalities is worth looking into. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 01:22:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA27766 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:22:05 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27760 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:22:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA10096; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:08:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199506230808.BAA10096@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Edward Wang cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:19:31 PDT." <199506230219.TAA08823@edcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:08:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Edward Wang said: > Is anyone working on a port of Java? > Wanna do it? > > (I've sent a similar query to the Java-Porting list.) > Here are some benchmarks, the program is the same fibonacii test program found in Guile's distribution. guile (fib-loop 20 200000) ;Evaluation took 9856 mSec (0 in scm_gc) 15 cells work, 1421 bytes other 6765 rah# time ./reffib 20 200000 6765 0.207u 0.015s 0:00.21 100.0% 16+204k 0+0io 0pf+0w rah# tclsh % source fibref.tcl % time {fib_loop 20 2000} 11684844 microseconds per iteration Not bad :) Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 01:38:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA28348 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:38:44 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA28342 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:38:36 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA15390 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:37:59 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA05786 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:37:56 +0300 Message-Id: <199506230837.AA05786@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) . <199506222201.PAA08357@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: Amos Shapira Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:37:54 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: |here. Works just fine, though FreeBSD could use some routing code |overhauls (performance wise it does not make a very fast router :-(). Eh?? Sorry to hear that. A major part of my interest in FreeBSD over Linux (besides getting back to good old 4.2BSD/4.3Tahoe days :) is that I though it is a tiger in networking. Will NetBSD fair better? Is there any work being done on this? Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 01:55:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA28847 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:55:18 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA28826 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:54:33 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id KAA00719 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:27 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id KAA06398 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:27 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506230854.KAA06398@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 23, 95 02:30:03 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 854 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This > behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any > proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like > a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you > run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. > Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the memory needed per allocation. I think we should throw away the libc's malloc and adopt another one. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 01:58:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29016 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:58:39 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA28986 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:56:42 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA15484 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:53:46 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA05814 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:53:43 +0300 Message-Id: <199506230853.AA05814@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:29:29 +0930 (CST) . <199506230259.MAA27792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> From: Amos Shapira Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:53:42 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: |I'd disagree; not everyone's connected to the 'net. This is similar to |the Sun thing that prints unhappy messages if the root filesystem's |timestamp and the time are out by more than a day or so. I've certainly |been drawn to time problems by that message more than once, so I'd |say that it was a plus. I'd second that. I can't afford an open PPP line for the entire duration of my PC's operation, nor call some local service to check time (we pay for every 5 minutes even on local calls at prime-time) I'd find such a utility usefull. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 02:24:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA00211 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:24:26 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA00205 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:24:23 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA10097; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:22:12 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506230922.CAA10097@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230837.AA05786@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> from "Amos Shapira" at Jun 23, 95 11:37:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1304 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > |here. Works just fine, though FreeBSD could use some routing code > |overhauls (performance wise it does not make a very fast router :-(). > > Eh?? Sorry to hear that. A major part of my interest in FreeBSD over > Linux (besides getting back to good old 4.2BSD/4.3Tahoe days :) is > that I though it is a tiger in networking. I think you have miss understood. I was talking about using FreeBSD with 4 100BaseTX ethernet cards as a low cost router, when you compare that to a dedicated hardware router like a Cisco it makes us look bad. But then compare any general purpose computer being used as a router to the dedicated CPU per NIC + special NIC and all sorts of other fun and games that go on in a real router and they all look bad. > > Will NetBSD fair better? Is there any work being done on this? No, no *BSD will ever compare to the hardware that the router companies sell, unless it happens to be running on similiar hardware! Though there is room for some improvement in our current code, it will only be slight improvements without going to some special hardware. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 02:36:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA00609 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:36:50 -0700 Received: from elbe.desy.de (elbe.desy.de [131.169.82.208]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA00601 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:36:48 -0700 From: Lars Gerhard Kuehl Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <9506230937.AA26679@elbe.desy.de> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This >> behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any >> proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like >> a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you >> run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. >> Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? > Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the > memory needed per allocation. That may reduce memory loss, but doesn't really solve the problem. Unused memory needs to be actually released. I've often seen XFree servers with VSZ > 25000 kB. My XFree_S3 server at home uses to grow about 3-4 MB/h under normal circumstances, sometimes (in particular in interaction with xman) much more. Even 2 MB/h is too much. I'm afraid there is a longer debugging session required :-( Lars From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 02:56:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA01002 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:56:25 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA00995 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:56:20 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA05576; Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:54:55 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA23613; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199506231006.MAA23613@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: ports/x11/xview-clients broken To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Stacey) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506230011.CAA04638@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Jun 23, 95 02:11:50 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1432 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Satoshi > > > * ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for xview-clients-3.2.1 > > * Ignoring previously applied (or reversed) patch. > > * 3 out of 3 hunks ignored--saving rejects to cmdtool/cmdtool.c.rej > > * Ignoring previously applied (or reversed) patch. > > * 1 out of 1 hunks ignored--saving rejects to olwm/cmdstream.c.rej > > * ....... > > * --------- I gave it a try in my supped ports-2.0 tree: ===> xview-lib-3.2.1 depends on: /usr/ports/x11/xview-config ===> Verifying build for /usr/ports/x11/xview-config Checksums OK. ===> Extracting for xview-config-3.2.1 ===> Patching for xview-config-3.2.1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for xview-config-3.2.1 ===> Configuring for xview-config-3.2.1 No problems with applying the patches. > > > > This is very hard to believe, I've built this one many, many times > > before the release. Are you sure you don't have some junk files left > > in patches/? > > I just copied my ctm tree over to my compile tree, it still falls apart, > perhaps I have a corrupt ctm tree > > I'll try to check later, or if a 3rd part can say yes or no to problems > making ports/x11/xview-clients ? > > Julian S > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 03:14:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA01738 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:14:02 -0700 Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA01731 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:13:59 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id TAA17188; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:13:57 +0900 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:13:57 +0900 Message-Id: <199506231013.TAA17188@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Lites on 2.0.5R (troubles on new-style disklabel) From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I sent a mail about the same problem yesterday, but it has been disappeared?? I've installed the 2.0.5R on my new desktop machine (Pentium 133MHz). 2.0.5R works great on this machine, and I've tried to install Lites 1.1 and Mach4 UK02p8 bynary (server and microkernel) that works fine on my laptop (DX4 75MHz) with 0322-SNAP. But.... The microkernel couldn't find the /mach_servers directory and said that it couldn't find BSD disklabel on hd0a. I think this trouble is caused by the changes of disklabel format happend between 0322-SNAP and 0412-SNAP. Are there any patches to Mach4 MK and Lites that can read correctly the new-style FreeBSD disklabels? Or are there any Lites users who can use Lites on FreeBSD 2.0.5R? (and it was only my simple mistake?) -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 03:27:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA02160 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:27:56 -0700 Received: from longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie (longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA02153 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:27:39 -0700 Received: from dedanann.dsg.cs.tcd.ie by longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie id aa29671; 23 Jun 95 11:27 BST To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:27:29 +0100 From: Alan Judge Message-ID: <9506231127.aa29671@longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Poul-Henning Kamp suggested that I try mailing this problem to the hackers list. We're making heavy use of C++ on some FreeBSD boxes, so we're interested in getting gcc 2.7.0 up (or, more likely, 2.7.x :-) as the C++ support is improved substantially. I compiled up gcc on 2.0.5 without any problem and all the C stuff appears to work fine. However, when I try to compile a simple C++ program, the assembler complains about the use of the .weak pseudo-op. I thought this might just be a limitation in the assembler, so I hacked up a freebsd config for binutils-2.5.2 and compiled up the assembler there. This got me past the .weak problem and even works for simple programs. However, when I try with a more complex program (basically any multimodule program where a .weak symbol appears more than once, I think), I get errors of the form: ld: /var/tmp/cc0019921.o: unexpected multiple definitions of symbol `_f__1X', type 0xf :1: Definition of symbol `_f__1X' (multiply defined) I guess that the FreeBSD ld doesn't fully support weak symbols? I looked at trying to get the ld from binutils going, but this looks like a lot more work. I thought that I should ask before investing any more effort. Is my diagnosis of the problem correct? Any suggestions as to the best way to get around the problem. I'm willing to wait if an appropriate solution will eventually appear in FreeBSD-current or -2.1. -- Alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 04:05:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA02908 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:05:06 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s33.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.43]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA02901 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:05:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07652; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:38:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199506231138.MAA07652@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) cc: Marc van Kempen , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-reply-to: mtaylor's message of Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:55:16 -0400. Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:38:44 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Does anyone have a wiring schema of the parallel laplink cable? > > > >Marc. > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------- > >Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl > > > >He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. > > > In DOS 6.x: > help interlnk > (look at the end of the 'notes' section) > Thanks, I've got it working now (thanks to Jonathan Bresler and Poul-Henning Kamp too) Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 04:17:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA03253 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:17:35 -0700 Received: from prinny.pavilion.co.uk (prinny.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA03241 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:17:07 -0700 Received: from line02.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk (line02.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.99]) by prinny.pavilion.co.uk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA18899; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:16:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:16:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199506231116.MAA18899@prinny.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) From: aledm@pavilion.co.uk (Aled Morris) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk At 02:22 AM 23/6/95, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >I think you have miss understood. I was talking about using FreeBSD >with 4 100BaseTX ethernet cards as a low cost router, when you compare >that to a dedicated hardware router like a Cisco it makes us look bad. Not forgetting also that you can't buy 100 Mb/s Ethernet Interfaces for Ciscos. (Well, you couldn't last time I looked) Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 04:18:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA03382 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:18:33 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA03375 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 04:18:28 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA16511 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:18:15 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506231118.AA16511@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: "in getcc reselect by t0" message from ncr.c To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:18:12 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2073 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Today I noticed a few: in getcc reselect by t0. messages in the dmesg output on my PCI with NCR scsi machine running 2.0.5R. I had a look at pci/ncr.c, and it seems like this is part of a debugging message that is incorrectly being printed out when debugging is not enabled. However, does this indicate any sort of problem? I added a second SCSI disk last night, and I don't recall seeing this message prior to then. Everything appears to be working fine though (I'm one of the silent majority who is highly appreciative of Stefan and Wolfgang's work on the NCR SCSI driver). If it helps any, this is what ncrcontrol reports: T:L Vendor Device Rev Speed Max Wide Tags 0:0 SEAGATE ST31200N 9410 10.0 10.0 8 4 2:0 CONNER CP30540 545MB3.5 B0BC 10.0 10.0 8 4 4:0 HP HP35470A 9 09 5.0 10.0 8 - 5:0 PIONEER CD-ROM DR-124X 1.00 4.4 10.0 8 - BTW, I've just noticed that 'scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -m 8' no longer interprets/formats the output. It used to work OK (a week or two ago). I've checked that /usr/share/misc/scsi_modes exists. When adding the extra disk, I modified the kernel to wire down the disks (target 0 -> sd0, target 2 -> sd2). I don't know if this is related or not. When I have a chance to reboot the old kernel I'll check that. The following patch does what I think is intended regarding this debugging message. Index: src/sys/pci/ncr.c *** 1.1.1.4 1995/06/13 12:59:32 --- ncr.c 1995/06/23 10:41:32 *************** *** 5453,5462 **** ** a target reselected us. **------------------------------------------- */ ! if (DEBUG_FLAGS & DEBUG_RESTART) PRINT_ADDR(cp->xfer); printf ("in getcc reselect by t%d.\n", INB(nc_ssid)&7); /* ** Mark this job --- 5453,5463 ---- ** a target reselected us. **------------------------------------------- */ ! if (DEBUG_FLAGS & DEBUG_RESTART) { PRINT_ADDR(cp->xfer); printf ("in getcc reselect by t%d.\n", INB(nc_ssid)&7); + } /* ** Mark this job David From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 05:19:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA04410 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:19:09 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA04404 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:19:07 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00301; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:00:24 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199506231200.HAA00301@mpp.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230502.PAA25911@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 23, 95 03:02:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1694 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >What I did was write a small program to check/record the system > >date in a file in the root file system. At boot time, the > > Use the timestamp in the super block of the root file system. > > Bruce I would rather not. What happens if I boot single user after some type of maintenance (likely after fiddling with CMOS settings) and mount the root file system rw and make changes? I've now updated the super-block timestamp, and anything in /etc/rc will never detect that the date may be be off when the system is booted multi-user. I've seen this exact same situation on another Unix system I used to manage that was checking the super-block time, and we re-did the program to use its own data file for just this reason. Plus, running the update program once an hour on its own data file lets it check that the clock has stayed sane since the last run. If the clock gets corrupted while the system is running, the super-block timestamp will now track this bogus time and thus be undetectable by /etc/rc. Also, do we support NFS mounted root file systems for diskless machines? If so, then this is another reason why the super-block timestamp couldn't be used. Re: Rod's comments As some other people have already pointed out, not everyone is connected to the net, or has a reliable enough connection to depend on ntpdate & friends to fix the time at boot time if it is in error. Even if you do have a good connection, network problems may prevent the time programs from correcting the date until long after the system has been up and running for a while. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 05:37:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA04908 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:37:28 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA04902 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:37:26 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11180; Fri, 23 Jun 95 06:35:43 -0600 Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA08280; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:37:13 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:37:13 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9506231237.AA08280@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA107181032; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 06:37:12 -0600 To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Cc: edward@edcom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230747.AAA09946@rah.star-gate.com> (message from Amancio Hasty on Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:47:32 -0700) Subject: Re: Java Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Amancio" == Amancio Hasty writes: Amancio> A bit more of low level work however Guile is available Amancio> in the ports/lang offers what it looks like the start of Amancio> a Java language implementation. What about threads? Gosling was in town speaking at our local UNIX user group meeting; he said that the most difficult part of the porting effort was providing a thread/lightweight process library. Porting Java has also exposed myriad bugs in existing thread implementations. After hearing that, I wasn't terribly inspired ... but hopeful, still. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA I think a good gift for the president would be a chocolate revolver. And since he's so busy, you'd probably have to run up to him and hand it to him. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 07:25:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA07233 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:25:44 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA07227 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:25:42 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id JAA25982 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:34 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506231425.JAA25982@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: VAT how-to question Content-Length: 889 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I asked this to -questions yesterday, but I have not seen it come down the list, so I will ask again here. I have vat running on a 2.0 SNAPSHOT, but I can't get it to work on 2.0.5 ALPHA/RELEASE. I am using the GUS sound card, the snd, gus and vat_audio are in the kernel configuration files. I made the snd and vat devices from MAKEDEV. I run the vat from ftp.ee.lbl.gov. This version of vat uses /dev/audio not /dev/vatio (is there another copy of vat we should be running?) and when the packet come in for vat, I get repeatily the error message: /kernel: Sound: Audio queue4 corrupted for dev0 (55522/16) now that vat uses the voxware driver, can a soundblaster be used to listen to vat? thanks. --mark. ps. FreeBSD hackers in the SD/ND/Northern MN are welcome to come to the Fargo/Moorhead Internet Users Group picnic on 06/27/95. see http://rrnet.com/iug/ for details. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 07:29:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA07462 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:29:18 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA07456 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:29:15 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA08218; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:00:42 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506231300.OAA08218@lambda> Subject: Re: Poor program load time To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:59:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199506230549.PAA27010@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 23, 95 03:49:26 pm Reply-to: paul@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1037 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Bruce Evans who said > > >I have very often exprienced cases where I will attempt to run a program (be it > >ls or xterm) where for no apparent reason it takes seconds to load and execute. > >This is on a P100 w/ 32mb ram and 1gb SCSI disk (but It occurs on all 2.0.5-R > >systems). > > >My guess is the problem is with the merged vm cache code. As my cache is > > This seems likely. Yesterday it seemed to take > 10 seconds to start a new > program after I had been doing large operations on gcc-2.7.0 (compiling > while copying and rm -rf'ing old versions). There was time to switch > consoles and attempt to start programs on several consoles. Usually the > delays seem to be only 1-2 seconds. They have been happening for 6 months > except perhaps in May. I've experienced slow start up as well over a similar time period. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 07:32:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA07600 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:32:00 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA07593 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:31:58 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA12820 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:34:16 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199506231434.KAA12820@ns1.win.net> Subject: what pci ethernet does wc use To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 181 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Its time for me to upgrade the iron slightly, more memory, ect and I'd just like to know what PCI ethernet card is in use on the WC server. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 07:53:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA08956 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:53:31 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA08905 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:53:18 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA01699; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:52:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA12229 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:52:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA27953 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:30:03 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506230530.HAA27953@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:30:02 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506230451.VAA09559@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 22, 95 09:51:26 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1095 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > The flaw here is that not everybody is connected to the internet to run a > > clock-checker program... > > And these are the same types of people who are likely to turn there > machines off for more than a few hours, causing this little utility to > falsely trigger ever time they boot. Objection, Rod. There's that small part of the world outside Big US with its Great Internet. European telecommunication used to be WAY expensive compared to the US world. My current income wouldn't suffice if i'd like to connect my machine to the Internet via the phone at startup. (My monthly phone bill is already around DM 150 through 200 now, makes for US$ 100 .. 150, to give you a comparision, and i'm lucky enough to have a small non-commercial ISP that doesn't cost me very much.) Of course, the above feature *must* be selectable, so everybody who isn't used to run his machine all the time won't suffer from it. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 08:17:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA10190 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:17:06 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10179 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:16:54 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA13731; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 01:02:33 +1000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 01:02:33 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506231502.BAA13731@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: amjudge@dsg.cs.tcd.ie, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >However, when I try to compile a simple C++ program, the >assembler complains about the use of the .weak pseudo-op. I thought >this might just be a limitation in the assembler, so I hacked up a >freebsd config for binutils-2.5.2 and compiled up the assembler there. >This got me past the .weak problem and even works for simple programs. I removed ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL() from gcc-2.7.0/config/i386/freebsd.h. SUpport for weak symbols seems to be optional (it is only provided for i386/osfrose, m88k, netbsd and svr4). >However, when I try with a more complex program (basically any >multimodule program where a .weak symbol appears more than once, I >think), I get errors of the form: >ld: /var/tmp/cc0019921.o: unexpected multiple definitions of symbol `_f__1X', type 0xf >:1: Definition of symbol `_f__1X' (multiply defined) >I guess that the FreeBSD ld doesn't fully support weak symbols? Weak symbols have stab numbers N_WEAKU=0xd to N_WEAKB=0x11 (see binutils/gas/config/aout_gnu.h). Old ld's don't support these. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 09:12:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA13617 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:12:28 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA13605 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:12:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27756; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:38:53 +0100 To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:37:54 +0300." <199506230837.AA05786@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:38:51 +0100 Message-ID: <27754.803907531@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Eh?? Sorry to hear that. A major part of my interest in FreeBSD over > Linux (besides getting back to good old 4.2BSD/4.3Tahoe days :) is > that I though it is a tiger in networking. Tiger? Well, it's certainly more ROBUST in many respects, but it's also extremely unfair to compare a PC with hardware limitations apleanty and many dozens of layers of software for a packet to go through to a silicon switch engine which has been designed to do ONE thing, and that's route packets. That said, if you're interested in profiling the code and putting some work into making it faster, you're more than welcome! This is a volunteer project, after all, and volunteers like yourself get the responsibility for solving problems like this in exchange for getting it all for free. It's a two way street, you know! > Will NetBSD fair better? Is there any work being done on this? 1. I seriously doubt it. 2. Not that I know of. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 09:19:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA14138 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:19:45 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA14116 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:19:42 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00408; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:20:36 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id MAA19749; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:15:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Amos Shapira , FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <27754.803907531@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Eh?? Sorry to hear that. A major part of my interest in FreeBSD over > > Linux (besides getting back to good old 4.2BSD/4.3Tahoe days :) is > > that I though it is a tiger in networking. > I think a couple of people (or just me) misread what this guy was trying to say. SO: Linux will not act as a faster router than BSD as far as I know. BSD's limitations are not code based as much as hardware based [which was mentioned before]. Among software based routing solutions BSD is among the fastest, period. When getting into hardware based routers [which is where everyone is so sensitive] you cannot compare performance because the hardware solution is much faster as one would expect. Its like comparing game performance on an old PC versus a Sega Saturn. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 09:25:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA14623 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:50 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA14617 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:49 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA01710 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what pci ethernet does wc use In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:34:15 EDT." <199506231434.KAA12820@ns1.win.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:25:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1708.803924747@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506231434.KAA12820@ns1.win.net>, Mark Hittinger writes: >Its time for me to upgrade the iron slightly, more memory, ect and I'd just >like to know what PCI ethernet card is in use on the WC server. The SMC Fast PCI Ethernet card. Can't tell you the number offhand, sorry :-( Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 09:48:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15930 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:48:31 -0700 Received: from husky.cslab.vt.edu (jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15919 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:48:29 -0700 Received: (jaitken@localhost) by husky.cslab.vt.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id MAA06550 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:48:28 -0400 From: Jeff Aitken Message-Id: <199506231648.MAA06550@husky.cslab.vt.edu> Subject: Kernel configuration/compilation tool To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1049 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As has been discussed in the newsgroups lately, a snazzy kernel configuration & compilation utility would be very nice. I just spoke with Jordan about it, and he wasn't aware of anyone working on such a beast. I've volunteered to at least take a crack at it, so if anyone's already started on the same project, let me know and I'll be glad to help. Anyway, someone suggested that it be designed to look like the 2.0.5 install program, which I think is a good idea. I'm certainly open to (and would really like) some ideas as far as designing the thing goes. Let me know how you think it should be done, and I'll see what I can come up with in the next month or two (or three or four...;) PS. I seem to recall there being some chatter on -hackers about this a long time ago (several months at least, perhaps more like a year), and someone had a really good idea about it. Unfortunately, I've not been able to locate the message I seem to remember, so if anyone can turn it up, please forward it to me. Thanks. -- Jeff Aitken jaitken@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 09:57:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16391 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:57:31 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16379 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:56:56 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA20274 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 02:56:28 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199506231656.CAA20274@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 02:56:27 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199506230530.HAA27953@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 23, 95 07:30:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 536 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > Objection, Rod. There's that small part of the world outside Big US > with its Great Internet. European telecommunication used to be WAY > expensive compared to the US world. I'm with you .. in Australia, demand-dial IP connections are charged at between $A3 and $A10 per hour. Full time connections start at $A400/month for 14k4 AFTER paying an obligatory $A4,500 up-front for router/slip-server (reference: http://www.aarnet.edu.au/aarnet/pricelist.html). Only a privileged few can manage this .. :-( michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:00:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16601 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:00:02 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA16580 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:59:58 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA13012; Fri, 23 Jun 95 18:59:54 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id TAA24264; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:11:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199506231711.TAA24264@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: VAT how-to question To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:11:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506231425.JAA25982@plains.nodak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Jun 23, 95 09:25:34 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1617 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I asked this to -questions yesterday, but I have not seen it come down the > list, so I will ask again here. > > I have vat running on a 2.0 SNAPSHOT, but I can't get it to work on > 2.0.5 ALPHA/RELEASE. I am using the GUS sound card, the snd, gus and > vat_audio are in the kernel configuration files. I made the snd and vat > devices from MAKEDEV. I run the vat from ftp.ee.lbl.gov. This version > of vat uses /dev/audio not /dev/vatio (is there another copy of vat we should > be running?) and when the packet come in for vat, I get repeatily the error > message: > > /kernel: Sound: Audio queue4 corrupted for dev0 (55522/16) I saw these queue corruptions, too here on my machine (with GUS 3.7). I got vat working now (with Amancio's help). Jim Lowe pointed me to a newer version of sound.v30.2. The current sound driver isn't yet finished so you gotta build a special kernel using sound.v30.2.tar.gz. Don't use pseudo-device vat_audio with this sounddriver. Something newer should be (as of Jim Lowe) on ftp://ftp.cs.uwm.edu/pub/FreeBSD. > > now that vat uses the voxware driver, can a soundblaster be used to listen > to vat? > > thanks. > > --mark. > > ps. FreeBSD hackers in the SD/ND/Northern MN are welcome to come to the > Fargo/Moorhead Internet Users Group picnic on 06/27/95. see > http://rrnet.com/iug/ for details. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:13:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17084 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:13:49 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17077 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:13:47 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA10845; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:12:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506231712.KAA10845@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: aledm@pavilion.co.uk (Aled Morris) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231116.MAA18899@prinny.pavilion.co.uk> from "Aled Morris" at Jun 23, 95 12:16:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1014 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > At 02:22 AM 23/6/95, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >I think you have miss understood. I was talking about using FreeBSD > >with 4 100BaseTX ethernet cards as a low cost router, when you compare > >that to a dedicated hardware router like a Cisco it makes us look bad. > > Not forgetting also that you can't buy 100 Mb/s Ethernet Interfaces for > Ciscos. > > (Well, you couldn't last time I looked) And right now you can only buy 1 100BaseTX Hub, and that is from Grand Junction. SMC has announced theres, but just like normal it will not be avaliable for a few months. [Someone correct me if they know of someone else *SHIPPING* hubs today, I don't want to read glossy sales lit, I want to put my hands on it and test it!] I suspect Cisco will have a 100BaseTX router on the market in about the same time frame, they usually don't lag far behind. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:15:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17293 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:15:55 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17286 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:15:51 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA10829 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:31:33 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03600 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:16:03 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18667 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:15:59 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA01134 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:53:29 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506221753.TAA01134@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: 205 on laptop, slip is acting weird To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:53:28 +1596657 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 955 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi I now have 205 successfully installed on my laptop (DEC Hinote). Using NFS on 115k SLIP this went OK. It now even runs X ;-) The only thing (for now) that annoys me is that everything on the SLIP/IP side doesnot work except for ping and NFS. So telnet,rlogin etc to or from the laptop fail: WKB /usr/home/wilko>telnet -d wilklt Trying 192.9.200.11... Connected to wilklt. Escape character is '^]'. ^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M Ftp times out, etc. I'm probably missing the very obvious here but still.. The 'server' is a 115 machine, the docs I have to pull over will at work (lacking ftp to the world at home). Other than this things look great _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:21:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17491 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:21:36 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17485 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:21:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA10860; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:20:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506231720.KAA10860@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: mpp@legarto.minn.net (Mike Pritchard) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231200.HAA00301@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at Jun 23, 95 07:00:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2416 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >What I did was write a small program to check/record the system > > >date in a file in the root file system. At boot time, the > > > > Use the timestamp in the super block of the root file system. > > > > Bruce > > I would rather not. What happens if I boot single user after > some type of maintenance (likely after fiddling with CMOS settings) > and mount the root file system rw and make changes? I've now updated the > super-block timestamp, and anything in /etc/rc will never detect that > the date may be be off when the system is booted multi-user. I've seen > this exact same situation on another Unix system I used to manage that > was checking the super-block time, and we re-did the program to use its > own data file for just this reason. > > Plus, running the update program once an hour on its own data file lets > it check that the clock has stayed sane since the last run. If the > clock gets corrupted while the system is running, the super-block > timestamp will now track this bogus time and thus be undetectable > by /etc/rc. Won't this cron job get just as confused since it is scheduled by cron who uses the system time for scheduling jobs. If I recall correctly cron does some really strange things when the system time is changed radically with respect to scheduling jobs. > Also, do we support NFS mounted root file systems for diskless > machines? If so, then this is another reason why the super-block > timestamp couldn't be used. Now that is a good point! But diskless clients should ask the server for the time IMHO anyway. If you running diskless machines there is not really an argument that you don't have good network connections. (At least between the server and the client, make the server the master time keeper for the site). > Re: Rod's comments > > As some other people have already pointed out, not everyone is > connected to the net, or has a reliable enough connection to > depend on ntpdate & friends to fix the time at boot time if it is > in error. Even if you do have a good connection, network problems > may prevent the time programs from correcting the date until long > after the system has been up and running for a while. I have already responded on that point. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:26:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17662 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:26:50 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17656 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:26:42 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id NAA18258; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:25:04 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506231725.NAA18258@hda.com> Subject: Goodbye for a week To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dufault@hda.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 314 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'll be off the lists for 1.5 weeks. If anyone has something important for me to see send it to dufault@hda.com, I'll check that daily. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:34:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17866 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:34:09 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17860 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:34:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id NAA27863; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:36:58 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506231736.NAA27863@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: How to delete a package? To: splyaski@cmp.com (Plyaskin Sergey) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2FEB13A7@mailgate.cmp.com> from "Plyaskin Sergey" at Jun 23, 95 12:16:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 803 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi folks, > > I tried to install CERN httpd package on my 950412 system. Something went > wrong, and it wasn't installed correctly. Now, if I try to install it again > with pkg_add script, it gives me the error "Package `cern_httpd-3.0' already > recorded as installed." > However, if I try to delete the package with pkg_delete, it says there's no > such a package installed. > > What should I do? How can I edit the registry (or whatever it's called in > FreeBSD) manually to clear that entry? TIA. Delete it manually. /var/db/pkg/ should contain a entry for httpd. You have to be su to do this. When I add a package I always use the pkg_add -v option, to see whats going on, so I can fix any problems. Eric - echet@coil.com > > Serge splyaski@cmp.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:35:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17953 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:35:23 -0700 Received: from io.org (root@io.org [142.77.70.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17945 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:35:18 -0700 Received: from trepan.io.org (apollo@trepan.io.org [198.133.36.8]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26562 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:35:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Herdman To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Creating iso9660 filesystems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello; I have a WORM drive, that i would like to create iso9660 filesystems on instead of the normal unix ufs filesystem so I can share the disk between DOS/UNIX/MAC (all of which I have) The WORM drive works flawlessly with FreeBSD 2.0 (i will be upgrading to 2.0.5 when my cd shows up). Is there a device driver to do this? Any ideas or suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks Andrew From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 10:54:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19346 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:14 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19340 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:13 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA14100 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:54:02 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506231754.KAA14100@ref.tfs.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: install not installing src to /bin? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ref.tfs.com and several other recently installed machines have no /usr/src/bin has this been noticed and fixed? PhK installed ref so I assume he did it correctly.. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:06:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19925 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:06:27 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAB19919 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:06:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id OAA28770; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:09:14 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506231809.OAA28770@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231651.JAA10776@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 23, 95 09:51:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3613 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > sometimes the reboot hangs on an 486-DX4-100 PCI (ASUS4SP3G - Board). > > > > > > CHeck that you have your external cache set to write-through mode, > > > > and ISA GAT mode disabled in the BIOS setup screens. > > > > Rodney> Have you customized the kernel for the machine? Or are you running > > Rodney> the GENERIC kernel. I have had 2 sites report ASUS-PCI/I-486SP3G boot > > Rodney> hangs when using the GENERIC kernel > > > > Rodney> Have you triple checked your SCSI bus termination, and when the hang > > Rodney> happens does your SCSI drive LED tend to be on solid indicating a > > Rodney> scsi bus hang? > > > > I also have an 486-DX4-100 PCI ASUS SP3G, and with 2.0.5, reboot from > > GENERIC kernel hangs on about every 2nd try. This was never a problem > > with the 950412-SNAP, which I have rebootet remotely about 100 times > > without need to run to the machine's console. I have build a > > custom kernel only yesterday, I dont know yet if that behaves better. > > I have cache-write-back and ISA-GAT-enabled, and my SCSI-bus is > > triple-terminated (dont ask why ;-) but is quiescent when reboot > > hangs, However, as I said, this was no problem with the SNAP > > installation. > > Set your cache to write through mode or expect to get signall 11's at > random. The board (all version) has a cache write back coherency problem > when used with bus master PCI devices (the NCR SCSI controller is a > PCI bus master). > > Turn off ISA GAT mode, though you may not need to if you don't have any > ISA bus masters. > > Properly terminate your SCSI bus. There is *NEVER* a reason to have 3 > terminators on a scsi bus, plain and simple you are asking for trouble > if you do that. > > Please tell exactly what the last thing on the screen is after you > type reboot when the hang occurs (just the last line is all I need). > > Compile a kernel with: > # BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET disables the use of the keyboard controller to > # reset the CPU for reboot. This is needed on some systems with broken > # keyboard controllers. > options "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" > > in the config file. > > Does doing that fix the problem? > > What revision of the board do you have (printed on the board next to > the model number)? I am starting to collect data on the versions of > the boards effected by this problem and if the BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET > fixes the problem. Hello Rod I recompiled the kernel with BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET. I don't see any problems yet, I just rebooted my machine 10 times. ASUS-SP3G rev 1.8 Intel DX2/66 256K cache without a dirty tag sram Using NCR with 2 quantum prodrives NCR BIOS 3.07.00 FreeBSD 2.0.5R BIOS setup ---------- DRAM Write page mode : Enabled DRAM Code Read Page Mode : Enabled DRAM Refresh Mode : Normal (Hidden dies every time) DRAM Wait States : 0 WS CPU To DRAM write buffer : Enabled CPU To PCI write buffer : Enabled PCI To DRAM write buffer : Enabled PCI Memory burst write : Enabled Video BIOS Cacheable : Enabled External Cache WS : 0 WS Cache Update Policy : Write-Back PCI Posted write buffer : Enabled ISA GAT Mode : Disabled I do have a question for others with this MB. Has anybody upgraded to 512K cache? If so, what size DIRTY tag sram did you use. USUS ships these without a dirty tag sram, I figured if I upgrade to 512K I might as well have the write-back cache working properly. Eric - echet@coil.com > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:22:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA20757 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:22:10 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA20713 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:19:56 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA20989 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:19:20 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06409 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:19:17 +0300 Message-Id: <199506231819.AA06409@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:22:12 -0700 (PDT) . <199506230922.CAA10097@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: Amos Shapira Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:19:16 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: |I think you have miss understood. I was talking about using FreeBSD |with 4 100BaseTX ethernet cards as a low cost router, when you compare |that to a dedicated hardware router like a Cisco it makes us look bad. | |But then compare any general purpose computer being used as a router |to the dedicated CPU per NIC + special NIC and all sorts of other fun |and games that go on in a real router and they all look bad. Well, then. Looks like I wasn't specific in my question. I used to work with Cisco in the past and I'm aware that they are very fast in handling network traffic and there is no chance a configuration such as what FreeBSD can run on will ever compare to these bewdy of boxes (they can hang about 6 ethers, if I remember right, on the same card, not even passing packets on the special internal bus!) What I *did* have in mind while I wrote the previous message was the report of the Checkpoint company (the authors of Firewall-1, whos owner used to work one building away from where I sit right now) that their filtering package, running under Solaris between two Ethernet 10baseT (?) LAN's didn't affect the speed of routing. (I'm planning to add such functionalities to the firewall package available on FreeBSD once I get to it). I've just read on one of the others reponses that BSD is about as best as you can get on software-based routing. That's what I wanted to hear. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:30:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21189 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:30:32 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21181 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:30:25 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06109; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:29:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA14069 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:29:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA29712 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:19:12 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506231819.UAA29712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:19:11 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506230937.AA26679@elbe.desy.de> from "Lars Gerhard Kuehl" at Jun 23, 95 11:37:49 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 894 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Lars Gerhard Kuehl wrote: > > > Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the > > memory needed per allocation. > > That may reduce memory loss, but doesn't really solve the problem. > Unused memory needs to be actually released. Standard malloc is not supposed to ever return the freed space back to the operating system. GNU malloc does (i.e., it is able to reduce the brk value in case it's detecting that this is possible). Even SGI's X server suffers from this problem, especially since they are too proud to admit this and didn't tell their xdm to restart the server at logout. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:33:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21317 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:33:13 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21305 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:32:57 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06098; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:29:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA14062; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:29:39 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA29598; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506231813.UAA29598@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 To: amjudge@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Alan Judge) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506231127.aa29671@longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie> from "Alan Judge" at Jun 23, 95 11:27:29 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 671 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Alan Judge wrote: > > However, when I try with a more complex program (basically any > multimodule program where a .weak symbol appears more than once, I > think), I get errors of the form: > ld: /var/tmp/cc0019921.o: unexpected multiple definitions of symbol `_f__1X', type 0xf > :1: Definition of symbol `_f__1X' (multiply defined) As Bruce did already remark, you should rather turn off .weak symbols at all (it's an option somewhere in the config files that has been turned on explicitly and erroneously for FreeBSD). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:35:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21496 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:35:48 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21489 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:35:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA09033 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:44:37 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506231844.UAA09033@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:44:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 887 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have tried to build "GroupKit" with tcl 7.4 and tk4.0b4, but with not much success. tcl 7.4 as distributed fails some tests with a FP exception. The documentation suggests a fix which has to do with the rounding mode and disable the fpmask. With this fix tcl completes the tests, but then tk fails several tests (here again there appear to be errors in the FP calculations: a lot of results are off by 1 WRT the expected values). Does anyone have any experience in running these newer tcl/tk versions on FreeBSD 2.0.5R ? Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:41:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21790 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:41:06 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21784 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:41:01 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA21146 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:40:28 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06487 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:40:24 +0300 Message-Id: <199506231840.AA06487@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Kernel configuration/compilation tool In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) . <199506231648.MAA06550@husky.cslab.vt.edu> From: Amos Shapira Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:40:24 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jeff Aitken wrote: |Anyway, someone suggested that it be designed to look like the 2.0.5 |install program, which I think is a good idea. I'm certainly open to |(and would really like) some ideas as far as designing the thing goes. |Let me know how you think it should be done, and I'll see what I can |come up with in the next month or two (or three or four...;) If I may suggest something - make it modular enough to run under at least two "front end" environments - one for simple text console and one under X11 (with Tk or something?). Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 11:42:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21976 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:42:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21970 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:42:35 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA11377; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:42:32 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506231842.LAA11377@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: what pci ethernet does wc use To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com (Gary Palmer) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1708.803924747@westhill.cdrom.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 23, 95 09:25:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 684 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In message <199506231434.KAA12820@ns1.win.net>, Mark Hittinger writes: > >Its time for me to upgrade the iron slightly, more memory, ect and I'd just > >like to know what PCI ethernet card is in use on the WC server. > > The SMC Fast PCI Ethernet card. Can't tell you the number offhand, > sorry :-( SMC9332 if this is the 10/100MB ethernet card. I have them in stock and on special at for a short period of time (while the stock lasts): XX. TMG SMC9332 SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet combo $ 167.00 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 12:21:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22848 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:21:24 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22840 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:21:00 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA21290; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 05:18:33 +1000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 05:18:33 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506231918.FAA21290@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have tried to build "GroupKit" with tcl 7.4 and tk4.0b4, but with not >much success. tcl 7.4 as distributed fails some tests with a FP >exception. The documentation suggests a fix which has to do with the >rounding mode and disable the fpmask. With this fix tcl completes the >tests, but then tk fails several tests (here again there appear to be >errors in the FP calculations: a lot of results are off by 1 WRT the >expected values). The FreeBSD port of tcl 7.3 has diffs for the fpmask and the rounding mode. These diffs apparently still apply (FreeBSD certainly hasn't changed). It also has diffs for configuring strtod(). I'm not sure exactly what these do. I don't know of any bugs in the FreeBSD strtod(). Use of a toy portable strtod() could easily cause small FP errors. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 12:42:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23388 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:42:51 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA23382 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:42:50 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00412; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:42:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506231942.MAA00412@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Eric Chet cc: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: router card In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:16:42 EDT." <199506230016.UAA09852@bronze.coil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:42:34 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Eric Chet said: > > > > > > | > > | How about a 128kbps ISDN card for ~$400 or maybe less? > > > > Where'd you find it at this price? The best I've seen was still MSRP: $595. > > > > | > > | DigiBoard DataFire ISDN LAN Adapter. It's an ISA-bus board. It ha s a > > | built in NT1 and provide ISDN U interface to connect directly to yo ur > > | ISDN phone line. > > | > > > Hello > This card is supposed to look like a ethernet card to the > system right? If so does anybody have one up and running with > freebsd? If not I guess I wiil go with the Ascend pipeline 50 > ISDN router. > I have an Ascend pipeling 50 ISDN router and it works great :) My machine is now connected to the Internet via my isdn router . Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 13:12:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23912 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:12:22 -0700 Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA23905 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:12:16 -0700 Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET from deadline.snafu.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0sPF5E-0000JIC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 22:12 MET DST Received: by deadline.snafu.de from deadline using uucp id m0sPF59-000J1KC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 22:12 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Received: by deadline.snafu.de from unlisys.unlisys.NET using smtp id m0sPEkR-000J19C; Fri, 23 Jun 95 21:50 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET from bronze.coil.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0sPEkK-0000IWC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 21:50 MET DST Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id PAA01904 for root@deadline.snafu.de; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:53:23 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506231953.PAA01904@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: Xterms hang after open? To: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas S. Wetzel" at Jun 23, 95 07:34:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi! > --- > > I'm noticing a strange behaviour of my x(c)terms nearly since I use > FreeBSD in the 2.0 and above versions. Although I would suggest it's > merely the tcsh shell which causes this behaviour. > Well, what happens exactly is: > You open an xterm or xcterm, position the window, and all you get > is an empty window with the cursor being in the upper left corner of the > window, but the shell doesn't come up with a shell prompt or anything. > As I can say this doesn't happen on a freshly rebooted machine, but more > often when the the machine has already been running for a while. Hello I have noticed similar behavior, sometimes xshells take anywhere between 15 - 60 seconds to become active. The same thing happens sometimes when I su from a xterm. Eric - echet@coil.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 13:14:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24048 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:14:20 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24004 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:14:07 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA21166 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:46:22 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06507 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:46:18 +0300 Message-Id: <199506231846.AA06507@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:35:08 -0400 (EDT) . From: Amos Shapira Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:46:17 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Herdman wrote: |Hello; | |I have a WORM drive, that i would like to create iso9660 filesystems on |instead of the normal unix ufs filesystem so I can share the disk between |DOS/UNIX/MAC (all of which I have) The WORM drive works flawlessly with |FreeBSD 2.0 (i will be upgrading to 2.0.5 when my cd shows up). Is there |a device driver to do this? Any ideas or suggestions would be very helpful. | |Thanks |Andrew | Linux has a "mkisofs" program which will dump a filesystem in iso9660 format onto a file (the docs say you can dump that into a partition and mount the partition in order to check the format, sounds neat :). I just saw a report that mkisofs was ported to SGI IRIX so I'd expect a port to FreeBSD should be easy (if it hasn't been done yet). There is also a program to write "mkisofs" output to CD-ROM's. Don't remember its name. For more pointers about Linux software you should probably look at the Linux Software Map (LSM for short). Hope this helps, Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 13:38:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24926 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:38:56 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24919 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:38:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id QAA03623; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:41:47 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506232041.QAA03623@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: Xterms hang after open? To: echet@coil.com (Eric Chet) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231953.PAA01904@bronze.coil.com> from "Eric Chet" at Jun 23, 95 03:53:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 323 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello I have noticed similar behavior, sometimes xshells take anywhere between 15 - 60 seconds to become active. The same thing happens sometimes when I su from a xterm. One other thing, after this pause usually 30 seconds, the harddrive lights up, I assume doing a page-in. I hope this helps. Eric - echet@coil.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 13:47:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25230 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:24 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25221 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:17 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA11672; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:46:53 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506232046.NAA11672@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems To: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231846.AA06507@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> from "Amos Shapira" at Jun 23, 95 09:46:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1535 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Andrew Herdman wrote: > |Hello; > | > |I have a WORM drive, that i would like to create iso9660 filesystems on > |instead of the normal unix ufs filesystem so I can share the disk between > |DOS/UNIX/MAC (all of which I have) The WORM drive works flawlessly with > |FreeBSD 2.0 (i will be upgrading to 2.0.5 when my cd shows up). Is there > |a device driver to do this? Any ideas or suggestions would be very helpful. > | > |Thanks > |Andrew > | > > Linux has a "mkisofs" program which will dump a filesystem in iso9660 > format onto a file (the docs say you can dump that into a partition > and mount the partition in order to check the format, sounds neat :). > > I just saw a report that mkisofs was ported to SGI IRIX so I'd expect > a port to FreeBSD should be easy (if it hasn't been done yet). > > There is also a program to write "mkisofs" output to CD-ROM's. Don't > remember its name. > > For more pointers about Linux software you should probably look at the > Linux Software Map (LSM for short). On a 2.0.5A or later system try ``man mkisofs'' and ``which isofs'': gndrsh# man mkisofs MKISOFS(8) MKISOFS(8) NAME mkisofs - create a iso9660 filesystem with optional Rock Ridge attributes. ... gndrsh# which mkisofs /usr/bin/mkisofs These are now standard parts of FreeBSD. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 14:31:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26505 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:31:59 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26496 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:31:58 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA02725 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:31:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:46:17 +0300." <199506231846.AA06507@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:31:38 -0700 Message-ID: <2723.803943098@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506231846.AA06507@picton.cs.huji.ac.il>, Amos Shapira writes: >Andrew Herdman wrote: >Linux has a "mkisofs" program which will dump a filesystem in iso9660 >format onto a file (the docs say you can dump that into a partition >and mount the partition in order to check the format, sounds neat :). >I just saw a report that mkisofs was ported to SGI IRIX so I'd expect >a port to FreeBSD should be easy (if it hasn't been done yet). gpalmer@westhill:~/tmp> which mkisofs /usr/bin/mkisofs gpalmer@westhill:~/tmp> It's part of the system :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 14:36:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26766 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:36:58 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26756 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:36:55 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA14302; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:36:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506231712.KAA10845@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > be avaliable for a few months. [Someone correct me if they know of > someone else *SHIPPING* hubs today, I don't want to read glossy sales > lit, I want to put my hands on it and test it!] > HP and CABLETRON are shipping version though I know the cabletron version will be _EXPENSIVE_ :) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 14:52:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27191 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:52:21 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27175 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:52:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06187; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:49:16 +0100 To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:46:17 +0300." <199506231846.AA06507@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: <6185.803944156@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Linux has a "mkisofs" program which will dump a filesystem in iso9660 > format onto a file (the docs say you can dump that into a partition > and mount the partition in order to check the format, sounds neat :). > > I just saw a report that mkisofs was ported to SGI IRIX so I'd expect > a port to FreeBSD should be easy (if it hasn't been done yet). It's already part of the tree. /usr/bin/mkisofs That said, both it and the Linux version (given that they're the same) are buggy as heck.. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 14:58:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27466 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:58:53 -0700 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA27460 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:58:42 -0700 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA10808 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:57:53 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id AAA00252; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:58:03 +0300 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:58:03 +0300 Message-Id: <199506232158.AAA00252@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: terry@cs.weber.edu's message of 23 Jun 1995 05:30:12 +0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) I suspect there are bottlenecks everywhere. You can probably start with linear traversal of the routing table and non-seperate reader/writer locks coupled with a lack of kernel preemption. Its not CPU or bus performance problem, if there is no performance difference between a 386-40 and a 486-66. And both route at 400kB/s, at least with SMC 8013s onboard. Straight machine-machine throughput is 800-900kB/s. I understood that SMC's can't have more than one outgoing packet at a time which would be a good excuse, but how about better boards on PCI bus which can have multiple packets going both ways without CPU intervention? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 14:59:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27521 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:59:55 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA27514 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:59:49 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA22770 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:59:15 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA07484 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:59:11 +0300 Message-Id: <199506232159.AA07484@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:49:16 +0100 . <6185.803944156@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: Amos Shapira Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:59:11 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: |It's already part of the tree. /usr/bin/mkisofs | |That said, both it and the Linux version (given that they're the same) |are buggy as heck.. :-( Did you try to find out what's the problem with it? You seem to be sitting in a place which lives on making CD-ROM's (freebsd.org == cdrom.com, right?) so you must know the area, but I got the impression that quite a few people use it to make working CD-ROM's. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 15:11:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28112 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:11:57 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28104 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:11:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06334; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:12:22 +0100 To: announce@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:12:22 +0100 Message-ID: <6332.803945542@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yes, I'm still making the "snapshot" releases and this is the first post-2.0.5 one to be made available. It fixes a number of problems and adds some new features, some of which are: o SLIP installation didn't ``ifconfig sl0'' properly. o It was not possible to do certain operations "atomically", e.g. just write out fdisk information, or just extract distributions. This can now be done from the "Custom Install" menu. o There is now an "Express Install" menu that leads you through all the necessary steps. o /usr/src/bin is now properly extracted as part of the source distribution. o A couple of panics in the kernel are now fixed. o DOS filesystems are now mounted read-only by default until we figure out what it is about R/W DOS filesystems that clobbers some systems. As always, this snapshot is offered as a complete replacement for the previous release and is aimed at new users installing the system from scratch. Still no "update" mechanism yet, but there are rumors of a project being formed to deal with this soon. If you've any interest in being part of it, then please send mail to hackers@freebsd.org. I'll also be getting involved in the whole update mechanism issue since it's been a gaping hole for far too long now and I'd like to see a solution sooner rather than later. I'm sure that many of our users feel the same way! Please let me know how you fare with this snapshot. I intend to release them every couple of weeks or so, depending on the number and severity of the bugs that are fixed, right up to the release date of FreeBSD 2.1. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 15:13:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28283 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:13:40 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28277 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:13:39 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA02913 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:13:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:59:11 +0300." <199506232159.AA07484@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: <2911.803945607@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506232159.AA07484@picton.cs.huji.ac.il>, Amos Shapira writes: >"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: >Did you try to find out what's the problem with it? You seem to be >sitting in a place which lives on making CD-ROM's (freebsd.org == >cdrom.com, right?) so you must know the area, but I got the impression >that quite a few people use it to make working CD-ROM's. Please show me the time in my schedule to sit down and figure out how to make it less paranoid about the options it accepts? :-( I have probably worked 7 days a week for the past 2.5 months, including WAY to many nights :-( This is the sort of thing I would REALLY like to just to review a set of context diffs :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 15:36:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29032 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:36:11 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29023 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:36:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06448; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:44 +0100 To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:59:11 +0300." <199506232159.AA07484@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <6446.803947004@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You should look at the code. It causes cancer in laboratory rats and pattern baldness in middle-aged males. The "optional flags" are non-optional or cause weird results, you can confuse the heck out of it with long symlinks or filesystems with too many of them (it won't fail, it'll just produce a CDROM where the RockRidge entries are totally bogus!), etc etc etc. Thise code doesn't need to be fixed. What it needs is to be taken out and shot. Unfortunately, it's also the only game in town at the moment and you CAN use it if you know how to work-around all of its quirks, so use it we do. But work on it? Heh. Sorry, I value my sanity too much for that! Anyone expressing skepticism or feeling that I'm being too harsh here is more than free to look in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/mkisofs/ Be sure to notify a parent or close relative before going in there though - some people don't come back out. Jordan > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > |It's already part of the tree. /usr/bin/mkisofs > | > |That said, both it and the Linux version (given that they're the same) > |are buggy as heck.. :-( > > Did you try to find out what's the problem with it? You seem to be > sitting in a place which lives on making CD-ROM's (freebsd.org == > cdrom.com, right?) so you must know the area, but I got the impression > that quite a few people use it to make working CD-ROM's. > > Cheers, > > --Amos > > --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for > 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen > Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." > ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 15:37:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29165 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:37:40 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29153 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:37:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06469; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:38:08 +0100 To: announce@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-to: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:12:22 BST." <6332.803945542@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:38:08 +0100 Message-ID: <6467.803947088@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, I'm still making the "snapshot" releases and this is the first > post-2.0.5 one to be made available. It fixes a number of problems > and adds some new features, some of which are: Sorry to follow up to my own posting, but for those who were wondering WHERE this snapshot was: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-950622-SNAP and ftp://freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-950622-SNAP Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 15:44:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29539 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:44:35 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29532 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:44:32 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03294; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:44:10 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199506232244.RAA03294@mpp.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:44:09 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506230451.VAA09559@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 22, 95 09:51:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1961 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > Is there any interest in some /etc/rc changes (along with a small > > > > helper program) to check if the system date and time may be > > > The more correct way to fix this is to use either ntpdate or timed > > > at boot time. Both are already supported by /etc/rc and /etc/sysconfig, > > > I don't think we need yet a third way to get the date right during boot. > > > > > > The flaw here is that not everybody is connected to the internet to run a > > clock-checker program... > > And these are the same types of people who are likely to turn there > machines off for more than a few hours, causing this little utility to > falsely trigger ever time they boot. > > No thanks, I don't want to answer all those newbie silly bug reports :-) > > But I suppose since it would have an /etc/sysconfig knob, with the > default state to be off, if it where to be implemented the way that > Sun or HP/Apollo did it and use the superblock time stamp instead of > some cron job I would be willing to bring it in. > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com It only starts complaining if the date is off by more than 24 hours, and that is also settable, so if someone only turns their machine on once a week, they can select a larger value via sysconfig. I already had a knob in sysconfig to turn this on/off, so that isn't a problem. I now have a version that uses the super-block time stamp, and I'll bundle everything up and ship it off to you after doing a little more testing over the weekend just to make sure everything is right with my new changes. I would still rather use a data file, since booting to single user mode never gets to /etc/rc, so you may update the root file system timestamp before it could ever be detected, but I'll give in... -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 17:15:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01708 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:15:35 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01700 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:15:33 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id UAA20262; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:29 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506240013.UAA20262@hda.com> Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506232046.NAA11672@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 23, 95 01:46:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 851 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > On a 2.0.5A or later system try ``man mkisofs'' and ``which isofs'': > gndrsh# man mkisofs > MKISOFS(8) MKISOFS(8) > > NAME > mkisofs - create a iso9660 filesystem with optional Rock > Ridge attributes. > > ... > gndrsh# which mkisofs > /usr/bin/mkisofs > > These are now standard parts of FreeBSD. There is also a rudimentary worm driver. You configure it in the kernel as: > device worm0 at scbus? and then you may be able to "dd" to it. It is not tested. It looks all like the pieces are there for someone with the right hardware to find the bugs in the "make a CDROM" process. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 17:17:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01778 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:17:00 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA01771 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:16:58 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07109; Fri, 23 Jun 95 18:03:27 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506240003.AA07109@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: hsu@cs.hut.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 18:03:26 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506232158.AAA00252@shadows.cs.hut.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Jun 24, 95 00:58:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I suspect there are bottlenecks everywhere. > > You can probably start with linear traversal of the routing table > and non-seperate reader/writer locks coupled with a lack of kernel > preemption. > > Its not CPU or bus performance problem, if there is no performance > difference between a 386-40 and a 486-66. And both route at 400kB/s, at > least with SMC 8013s onboard. Straight machine-machine throughput is > 800-900kB/s. I understood that SMC's can't have more than one outgoing > packet at a time which would be a good excuse, but how about better boards > on PCI bus which can have multiple packets going both ways without CPU > intervention? If you are hitting the theoretical max, you can't go faster. Otherwise, factors I'd consider important for routing would be: o Referencing the routing table, especially it if's large o Stack latency o Hardware latency. Rod's note about interrupting before the packet is fully revieved is well taken. o Concurrency. If you wait on a spin loop rather than a timer and supporting kernel preemption, you will lose on concurrency. o Bus transfer contention for multiple cards. o Buffer allocation and deallocation. Better boards, to make a real difference above two boards, which should be as concurrent (CSMA/CD means no bidirection use of the same wire; FDDI is another issue), would need to perhaps have the router (and therefore ISO loayers up through 4) on the board itself. In which case, your PC is a glorified power supply, which I don't see how that could save you more than $40, and assumes you have a dead and otherwise useless PC (ie: it's a way of getting good cash from bad on your PC "investment"). The latency looms exceedingly big as a factor in determining throughput since you can't really process a packet unless you are done with the previous one (unless you support kernel level premption and input ring buffering). Even this is less than useful without transmitter interrupt driven output (and again, kernel preemption). At which point it's *all* latency, card prebuffering, and pool rentention time issues. Primary hardware latency issues in this case are bus transfer and header preinterrupt to start interpreting packet contents as quickly as possible. PCI has a burst rate of 4 bytes * 33 MHz for the 32 bit version (the 64 bit version is not standardized yet; there is no such thing as a 64 bit PCI card), yielding burst rates of 132MB/s. Assuming a processing engine capable of handling this and minimal bus interaction overhead other than data transfers, and we are talking ~60MB/s or 4-6 100Mb/s cards for a box. That's just considering all other problems as "solved" and just considering PCI on it's own merit. The sustained rate goes down the more memory you have in the machine, of course, since bus-on time must be interleaved with DRAM refresh (one of the reasons that dedicated routers seldom use DRAM instead of SRAM for time critical buffering issues). The person to talk this over with is Garrett, probably, since he is well aware of the issues involved and is in fact the person who has made most of the tradeoff decisions, where applicable. He may not be interested in discussing this at all; the scope is rather large and has little immediate and tangible benefit. You also can't discount the inadequacies of the inherited code base to the task of simply packet-pumping. A lot of the 4.4 code simply was not designed with that environment in mind; also, as I have posted in the past, there are apparently some significant issues that have been introduced in the 4.4 code that weren't there in the 4.3 code (dig the University of Arizona paper reference out of the list archives for more info on this). All in all, Rod's evaluation is correct: BSD on a PC is not really up to the task of replacing heavily loaded router hardware; in point of fact, much of the existing router hardware sold by the companies in the business isn't either. Most of the US backbone is routed by dedicated RS/6000 boxes, which are one of the few pieces of hardware fast enough to break a T3 up into T1's (or put T1's back together). Some, but not all, of these issues can be overcome in software, potentially at a loss of usefulness as a general purpose OS. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 17:57:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02508 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:57:40 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02502 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:57:37 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.5/8.7.Beta.5) with SMTP id UAA28543 for < hackers@freefall.cdrom.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506240057.UAA28543@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 20:57:30 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Network Usage Stats Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am looking for a non-intrusive, hopefully low-CPU usage network usage monitor that can tell me something about how much the network(s) going in to a FreeBSD router is being used. Is there such a beast? Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 18:31:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03055 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:31:58 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03049 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:31:57 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00341; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:37 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506240132.VAA00341@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230854.KAA06398@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jun 23, 95 10:54:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 464 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in > ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the > memory needed per allocation. > > I think we should throw away the libc's malloc and adopt another one. Wow, that worked wonders, my S3 server is small again (well so far) woohoo! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 19:35:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04480 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:35:49 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04460 ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:35:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199506240235.TAA04460@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA005371422; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:37:02 -0400 Subject: Old 1.1.5.1 ppp problem To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers), freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1040 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I finally got the house a dial-up net connection with PPP. I seem to be having one major problem. My modem drops the line on the transition between kermit and pppd (or just after pppd starts). I used the info from the web site to get the dialer scripts and info up. Any tips. (I'm getting the addresses dynamically set via ppp... I've got a local ethernet with a class C here.) So far I've been using OS/2 to connect in until the FreeBSD box is up. Does the bidir comm port come into play here. I tried with and without the getty established and using the cuaxx and ttyxx device. I'm running a Telebit T2500 to a v34 modem on the other side. The Telebit's got the final T2500 rom set and has been very stable to everything else (since these roms). Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 20:36:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06362 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:36:49 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06356 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:36:47 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.5/8.7.Beta.5) with SMTP id XAA03960 for < hackers@freefall.cdrom.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506240336.XAA03960@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 23:36:39 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Caldera Network Desktop Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Now, I know this isn't quite appropriate for the hackers list but I think you'll see what I'm getting at in a little bit. A company called Caldera has come out with yet another Linux distribution. This one is quite different, however. Check out to see what I mean. The highlight of this product is called the Caldera Network Desktop. It is sort of a Mac-like, Windows-like, OS/2-like interface for Linux. It looks *really* hot and I think it will do great things for the Linux community, which means it will do wonderful things for the UNIX community in general if it is able to draw a few more people off of Windows. Now, when I as a guru look at FreeBSD, I know it is far and away superior to Linux. Being a BSD fanatic, I don't even want to go near a Linux system. I like BSD, I love FreeBSD. The problem that I see is that when it comes to graphical interfaces, FreeBSD isn't really as strong as Linux from what I have seen, and certainly has nothing to go up against this Caldera offering. My question would be would someone from Walnut Creek and/or the FreeBSD gang be interested in shipping a copy of 2.0.5-RELEASE to Caldera with a suggestion that while Linux is all well and good, BSD is where it's at and FreeBSD is the platform to do it on. At the worst WC loses $39.95 in a sale of the product, but I think if we could get something like the Caldera Network Desktop for FreeBSD it would be fantastic for the FreeBSD project and who knows, maybe WC can negotiate some distribution rights with Caldera and make back that $39.95 in a flash. Or maybe the FreeBSD project members should look around and try to come up with their own desktop for FreeBSD (maybe based on the COSE desktop). At any rate, I think that the interface is where the battle lines will be drawn and I want to ensure that the package that I love is able to fight back with a competitive if not superior product. Just my humble opinion. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 21:24:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07432 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:24:19 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07421 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:24:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23490; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:24:13 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA17899; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:24:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00491; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:00:52 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506231900.VAA00491@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems To: apollo@io.org (Andrew Herdman) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:00:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Herdman" at Jun 23, 95 01:35:08 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 788 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andrew Herdman wrote: > > Hello; > > I have a WORM drive, that i would like to create iso9660 filesystems on > instead of the normal unix ufs filesystem so I can share the disk between > DOS/UNIX/MAC (all of which I have) The WORM drive works flawlessly with > FreeBSD 2.0 (i will be upgrading to 2.0.5 when my cd shows up). Is there > a device driver to do this? Any ideas or suggestions would be very helpful. There'a a ``mkisofs'' command available, but it doesn't act like a regular file system. Instead, it's supposed to create a single huge file that can be dumped onto a WORM. Not sure if this is what you're looking for. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 21:32:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA08296 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:33 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA08286 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:28 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA12164; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:26 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506240432.VAA12164@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "CMU Mail Archive" at Jun 23, 95 05:36:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 651 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > be avaliable for a few months. [Someone correct me if they know of > > someone else *SHIPPING* hubs today, I don't want to read glossy sales > > lit, I want to put my hands on it and test it!] > > > HP and CABLETRON are shipping version though I know the cabletron version > will be _EXPENSIVE_ :) A, HP is in the 100VG Any Lan market, somehow I doubt there hub would be 100BaseTX. I haven't seen much on the Cabletron front, any one have any info on what it is they are *shipping*. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 22:02:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10769 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:02:07 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10759 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:02:05 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA12272; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:01:57 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506240501.WAA12272@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Network Usage Stats To: evanc@synapse.net Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506240057.UAA28543@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 23, 95 08:57:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1199 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I am looking for a non-intrusive, hopefully low-CPU usage network > usage monitor that can tell me something about how much the network(s) > going in to a FreeBSD router is being used. > > Is there such a beast? Well, it is not quite what you want, but your FreeBSD router has it built in. It is kernel pseudo-device bpfilter: # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter It is intrusive if run on the router itself as that will place additional load on it. But, if you take another FreeBSD box and hang it on the net to be watched it makes a reasonable very low cost sniffer (nothing like a real one mind you, but it gets the job done for me). See man tcpdump and man bpf for how to dump and filter packets once you have configured this into your kernel. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 22:56:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15064 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:56:47 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15048 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:56:41 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA01618 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:30 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506240555.AA01618@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506230630.CAA09279@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 23, 95 02:30:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1319 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap >utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server process >looks like so: > >root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_S3) > >and has only been running a few hours. I've talked with the author of the >Server and he was astonished when I told him I've seen it as high as 15M of >ram. He claims he never see's this, however he's running it under Linux. He >suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This >behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any >proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like >a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you >run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. >Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? I've noticed it growing fairly large too. I've tried linking it with -lgnumalloc (Linux uses GNU malloc by default), and that seems to help (you can do this using the XFree86 LinkKit). We (XFree86) are doing some work on the malloc issue, both regarding memory leaks, and regarding methods to reduce fragmentation, and allow the system to regain freed memory. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 23:26:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA16934 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:26:15 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA16926 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:26:12 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA03525; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:25:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199506240625.XAA03525@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:39 EDT." <199506240336.XAA03960@sentinel.synapse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:25:58 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Evan Champion said: > Now, I know this isn't quite appropriate for the hackers list but I > think you'll see what I'm getting at in a little bit. > > A company called Caldera has come out with yet another Linux > distribution. This one is quite different, however. Check out > to see what I mean. > The highlight of this product is called the Caldera Network Desktop. > It is sort of a Mac-like, Windows-like, OS/2-like interface for Linux. > It looks *really* hot and I think it will do great things for the > Linux community, which means it will do wonderful things for the UNIX > community in general if it is able to draw a few more people off of > Windows. > > Now, when I as a guru look at FreeBSD, I know it is far and away > superior to Linux. Being a BSD fanatic, I don't even want to go near > a Linux system. I like BSD, I love FreeBSD. > > The problem that I see is that when it comes to graphical interfaces, > FreeBSD isn't really as strong as Linux from what I have seen, and > certainly has nothing to go up against this Caldera offering. > > My question would be would someone from Walnut Creek and/or the > FreeBSD gang be interested in shipping a copy of 2.0.5-RELEASE to > Caldera with a suggestion that while Linux is all well and good, BSD > is where it's at and FreeBSD is the platform to do it on. I doubt that it will work . If memory does not failed me Caldera is faction which broke out Novell. Their project to bring out Linux as a main stream os got canned and the group or a few of the members decided to break away from Novell and start their own company. *We do need cool apps* Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 23:33:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17714 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:33:58 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA17704 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:33:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA03621 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:33:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199506240633.XAA03621@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:30 +1000." <199506240555.AA01618@physics.su.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:33:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> David Dawes said: > >I've noticed lately that my S3 X server grows continuously (as does my swap > >utilization) as time goes by, and never shrinks. Currently my X server pro cess > >looks like so: > > > >root 252 0.0 30.9 11632 9440 ?? I 10:39PM 0:21.43 X :0 (XF86_ S3) > > Well guys you can lend a hand . We have mprof and if you have the resources is not too tough to recompiled the X server and track down who the culprit is. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 23:36:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17962 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:43 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA17952 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:40 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25954; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:36:38 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA18221 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:36:37 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA02830 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:34:09 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506240634.IAA02830@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:34:08 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506240555.AA01618@physics.su.oz.au> from "David Dawes" at Jun 24, 95 03:55:30 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 851 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As David Dawes wrote: > > I've noticed it growing fairly large too. I've tried linking it with > -lgnumalloc (Linux uses GNU malloc by default), and that seems to help > (you can do this using the XFree86 LinkKit) Perhaps i should rather direct this to xfree86-beta: XFree86 used to link the binaries against -lgnumalloc by default in earlier versions. NetBSD still does. Is there any reason why it has been dropped for FreeBSD? (I think gnumalloc falls under LGPL, so the Copyright issues aren't so hard here.) At least for the server, it seems to be a big deal. I used to link mine against the GNU version, and now that i didn't do it for the first time, i'm seeing it growing rather large, too. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 23:47:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18414 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:47:35 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18408 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:47:33 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA03695 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:47:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199506240647.XAA03695@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: YaHoo! My Mbone feed is working :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:47:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With the help of Jim Lowe and Bill Fenner, they managed to sort out the mbone problems . Jim is kind to let me have a feed to check out the mbone stuff for a few days. So whats the big deal? Well, I have a 128k ISDN line which can be very easily swamp by the mbone. Fortunatly, mrouted 3.5 has prunning and you can also specified the data rate for the tunnel. If you want to chat, send me mail or reach me at the default vat address. How am using vat now days? Simple. vmix vat -U /tmp/vatsock And that vat invocation uses the default vat address which I mentioned earlier. vmix communicates with vat via the socket interface and does the sound recording and playback. So no more vat driver is needed. Although, vmix is an alpha release is a cool hack from Jim Lowe :) You can find vmix.0.2.tar.gz and sound.v30.2.tar.gz at ftp.best.com:/pub/hasty Have fun! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 23 23:56:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA19056 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:56:31 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA19037 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:56:17 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA02226 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:56:13 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506240656.AA02226@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:56:12 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199506240634.IAA02830@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 24, 95 08:34:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1310 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As David Dawes wrote: >> >> I've noticed it growing fairly large too. I've tried linking it with >> -lgnumalloc (Linux uses GNU malloc by default), and that seems to help >> (you can do this using the XFree86 LinkKit) > >Perhaps i should rather direct this to xfree86-beta: > >XFree86 used to link the binaries against -lgnumalloc by default in >earlier versions. NetBSD still does. Is there any reason why it has >been dropped for FreeBSD? (I think gnumalloc falls under LGPL, so the >Copyright issues aren't so hard here.) > >At least for the server, it seems to be a big deal. I used to link >mine against the GNU version, and now that i didn't do it for the >first time, i'm seeing it growing rather large, too. It was dropped because someone reported problems with it. I've been using it for the last few weeks without problems though, and I'm planning to link with gnumalloc by default for FreeBSD in XFree86 3.1.2. Regarding LGPL, there is no problem for the Xserver because we have the LinkKit. I don't know about clients, etc, or how LGPL fits in with dynamically loaded libraries (I'd have expected dynamic linking to fulfill the requirements of LGPL). Anyway, this is an issue for those distributing binaries. We (XFree86) provide full source, so there isn't any problem for us. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 00:12:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA19765 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:12:22 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA19759 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:12:14 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA25194 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:05:35 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA08234 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:05:31 +0300 Message-Id: <199506240705.AA08234@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List), bytecounters@isi.edu Subject: Re: Network Usage Stats In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:01:57 -0700 (PDT) . <199506240501.WAA12272@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: Amos Shapira Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:05:30 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: |> |> I am looking for a non-intrusive, hopefully low-CPU usage network |> usage monitor that can tell me something about how much the network(s) |> going in to a FreeBSD router is being used. |> |> Is there such a beast? | |Well, it is not quite what you want, but your FreeBSD router has it |built in. It is kernel pseudo-device bpfilter: | |# The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be |# aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this |# option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of |# simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. |pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter Haven't got around to try this, but I've just incorporated patches to NNStat to make it use the Berkeley Packet Filter (as well as LBL's(?) libpcap). The latest version is available at ftp://ftp.huji.ac.il/users/amoss/NNStat-3.3beta-24JUN95.tar.gz and hopefully from gatekeeper.dec.com soon Hope this helps, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 00:43:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA20864 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:43:39 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA20856 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:43:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA04039; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:43:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199506240743.AAA04039@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Amos Shapira cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List), bytecounters@isi.edu Subject: Re: Network Usage Stats In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:05:30 +0300." <199506240705.AA08234@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 00:43:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Amos Shapira said: > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > |> > |> I am looking for a non-intrusive, hopefully low-CPU usage network > |> usage monitor that can tell me something about how much the network(s) > |> going in to a FreeBSD router is being used. > |> > |> Is there such a beast? Sure with a bit of work the ISODE snmp works or the cmu snmp stuff. I have not compiled the ISODE stuff for a while and if I am not mistaken there is a cmu snmpd floating around for FreeBSD The ISODE stuff has a nice tcl/tk interface so you can monitor the network from remote if you like to do that. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 01:48:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA23817 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 01:48:00 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA23810 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 01:47:57 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA18933; Sat, 24 Jun 95 10:47:54 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA25902 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:59:41 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:59:41 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506240859.KAA25902@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: kernel Makefile mechanism (Q) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone explain to me the wizardry that is responsible for writing the /sys/compile/KERNEL/Makefile, especially which mechanism is responsible for adding the -I../../something lines into the makefile. I'm building a kernel from sound.v30.5. soundcard.h should be copied into /sys/i386/include but this path is not searched by the $INCLUDE rules. Is it done by config and files.i386 or what? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 03:52:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA00537 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:52:33 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA00530 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:52:31 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA05349; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:52:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:52:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199506241052.DAA05349@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de CC: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-reply-to: <199506231006.MAA23613@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:39 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: ports/x11/xview-clients broken From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I gave it a try in my supped ports-2.0 tree: * ===> xview-lib-3.2.1 depends on: /usr/ports/x11/xview-config * ===> Verifying build for /usr/ports/x11/xview-config * Checksums OK. * ===> Extracting for xview-config-3.2.1 * ===> Patching for xview-config-3.2.1 * ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for xview-config-3.2.1 * ===> Configuring for xview-config-3.2.1 * * No problems with applying the patches. Thanks Chris. Julian, can you ftp the xview-* stuff and try again? Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 03:55:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA00717 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:55:07 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA00709 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:55:02 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02770; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:53:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA19586; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:53:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06975; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:41:28 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:41:28 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506241041.MAA06975@uriah.heep.sax.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: Re: Dr. Neuhaus ISDN ? Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc In-Reply-To: <3sdu2r$gpi@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Organization: Private FreeBSD site, Dresden. Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Cc: nuggets@cs.tu-berlin.de Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sorry to read this. Is there anybody here who knows more about them? nuggets@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: >Hi > >Does anybody know something about the supported Dr. Neuhaus ISDN-cards ? > >technical spezification, price, end of "alpha"-status ? > >there is no response from author ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Lars. > >-- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Lars Hentschke voice:033052+50726 line:033052+51576 14400/V32bis (public) | >| email:nuggets@cs.tu-berlin.de OR nuggets@tworivers.bln.sub.org (home) | > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 04:03:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA01271 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:03:18 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s39.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA01257 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:03:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA03788; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199506241154.MAA03788@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Charles Henrich cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: henrich's message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:32:37 -0400. <199506240132.VAA00341@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:22 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in > > ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the > > memory needed per allocation. > > > > I think we should throw away the libc's malloc and adopt another one. > > Wow, that worked wonders, my S3 server is small again (well so far) woohoo! > Could you upload the relinked server somewhere? I'm also struggling with the size of the Xserver. Thanks, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 05:39:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA07579 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 05:39:57 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA07573 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 05:39:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id IAA17297; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:42:31 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506241242.IAA17297@bronze.coil.com> Subject: Re: Xterms hang after open? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506240559.HAA02575@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 24, 95 07:59:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1104 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Andreas S. Wetzel wrote: > > > > Also it seems that this problem does not occur, when using a shell other > > than the tcsh shell (I just tried it out with an sh shell, and the window > > just popped up and was there). Again... this is no problem I'm having > > sinc yesterday, but it is a problem I'm having since nearly 2.0R. > > How long's your $path variable? Mine contains 10 elements, and i've > never noticed such behaviour. tcsh is known to perform some (rather > inefficient) lookups along the path in order to build the internal > tables on startup. I have 5 entries in my path. My takes 15 to 60 seconds after I have been using the machine for a while. Even though I have killed all tasks just leaving xwindows, xclock, xperfmon, pppd, few xterms running. The same thing happens when I su. After this pause usually 30 seconds it does a page-in and the prompt comes up. I hope this helps. Eric -- echet@coil.com > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:22:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA09399 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:22:56 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA09380 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:22:50 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA25449 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:02:05 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA14197; 24 Jun 95 09:00:43 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA14194; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:00:42 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506241400.JAA14194@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: announce@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6332.803945542@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 23, 95 11:12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 103 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Don't feel too bad about the update thing... OSF/1 still doesn't have update installs working right... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:35:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA09973 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:35:37 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA09967 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:35:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09158; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:36:01 +0100 To: Peter Dufault cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes), amoss@cs.huji.ac.il, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:29 EDT." <199506240013.UAA20262@hda.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:36:01 +0100 Message-ID: <9156.804004561@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There is also a rudimentary worm driver. You configure it in > the kernel as: > > > device worm0 at scbus? > > and then you may be able to "dd" to it. Actually, I forgot to mention - Justin and Gary finally got around to testing this just before I left the country and I seem to recall that all they could get were panics. If you can get ahold of Gary before HE leaves the country, or Justin at pretty much any time, I'm sure they'll be happy to help you work on it more. This is actually getting to be more of a priority for WC since even at the 100mbit speeds we're running our internal network at, stupid DOS is still unable to transfer more than 300k/sec due to interrupt load or something. This makes transfering a 600MB CD image to the burner machine verrrry slooooooow and it would be neatness incarnate if we could just suck the images over with FreeBSD (which basically sucks things at raw disk I/O speeds over the 100BT net) and whap them straight to the burner. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:39:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA10225 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:39:14 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA10219 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:39:11 -0700 Received: from id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (hou31.onramp.net [199.1.137.159]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA05400 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:38:58 -0700 Received: by id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.11/1.34) id JAA03296; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:33:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:33:37 -0500 From: rich@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (Rich Murphey) Message-Id: <199506241433.JAA03296@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr CC: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199506230854.KAA06398@blaise.ibp.fr> (roberto@blaise.ibp.fr) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk |From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) | |> suggests perhaps there is a problem with something somewhere in FreeBSD. This |> behaviour seems to be new with the 0412-SNAP, although I dont have any |> proof of this. This is crazy, I have a 32mb machine, and its performing like |> a dog because of this sort of memory usage (!) :(. On a 16mb machine, if you |> run any significant apps you go to swaphell because of the memory usage here. |> Could this be a leak in the kernel malloc, or mmap code or some such? | |Relink the server with either -lgnumalloc or -ldlmalloc (found in |ports/devel/libdlmalloc). The libc's malloc take as much as two times the |memory needed per allocation. | |I think we should throw away the libc's malloc and adopt another one. |-- |Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG |FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 We tried using gnumalloc for XFree86 between 3.0 and 3.1 but beta testers reported problems with the X servers, so we switched back to the one in libc. The malloc in libc is by far the most stable of the lot. I don't know that anything has changed in gnumalloc. Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:47:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA10713 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:47:28 -0700 Received: from id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (root@hou31.onramp.net [199.1.137.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA10707 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:47:25 -0700 Received: by id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.11/1.34) id JAA03561; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:46:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:46:53 -0500 From: rich@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (Rich Murphey) Message-Id: <199506241446.JAA03561@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> To: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199506240656.AA02226@physics.su.oz.au> (message from David Dawes on Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:56:12 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk |From: David Dawes |>XFree86 used to link the binaries against -lgnumalloc by default in |>earlier versions. NetBSD still does. Is there any reason why it has |>been dropped for FreeBSD? (I think gnumalloc falls under LGPL, so the |>Copyright issues aren't so hard here.) |> |>At least for the server, it seems to be a big deal. I used to link |>mine against the GNU version, and now that i didn't do it for the |>first time, i'm seeing it growing rather large, too. | |It was dropped because someone reported problems with it. I've been |using it for the last few weeks without problems though, and I'm |planning to link with gnumalloc by default for FreeBSD in XFree86 |3.1.2. | |Regarding LGPL, there is no problem for the Xserver because we have |the LinkKit. | |I don't know about clients, etc, or how LGPL fits in with dynamically |loaded libraries (I'd have expected dynamic linking to fulfill the |requirements of LGPL). Anyway, this is an issue for those distributing |binaries. We (XFree86) provide full source, so there isn't any problem |for us. When FreeBSD had two separate malloc shared libraries we had a XFree86 release which could use either malloc library simply by swapping the names. Substituting libgnumalloc.so.1.1 for libmalloc.so.1.1 worked just fine for the server. But this was only my individual testing and nothing rigorous. We don't really know whether the problems last year using gnumalloc were due to valid differences in the API or unwitting problems in the server itself. But we can start beta testing with gnumalloc and see how it goes. Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:52:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA10943 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:52:35 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA10931 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:52:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09229; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:52:53 +0100 To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:36:39 EDT." <199506240336.XAA03960@sentinel.synapse.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:52:52 +0100 Message-ID: <9227.804005572@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > My question would be would someone from Walnut Creek and/or the > FreeBSD gang be interested in shipping a copy of 2.0.5-RELEASE to > Caldera with a suggestion that while Linux is all well and good, BSD > is where it's at and FreeBSD is the platform to do it on. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but from everything I've heard, the Caldera folks are Linux and GPL fanatics. I doubt that sending them a CD would result in anything more significant happening than the generation of a few chuckles inside the Caldera project. > Or maybe the FreeBSD project members should look around and try to > come up with their own desktop for FreeBSD (maybe based on the COSE > desktop). At any rate, I think that the interface is where the battle > lines will be drawn and I want to ensure that the package that I love > is able to fight back with a competitive if not superior product. This is a fight I could get behind. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 07:55:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11139 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:55:26 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11129 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:55:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09249; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:28 +0100 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: apollo@io.org (Andrew Herdman), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:00:51 +0200." <199506231900.VAA00491@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:28 +0100 Message-ID: <9247.804005728@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > There'a a ``mkisofs'' command available, but it doesn't act like a > regular file system. Instead, it's supposed to create a single huge > file that can be dumped onto a WORM. Not sure if this is what you're > looking for. Actually, it does generate a `filesystem' which you can then use the VN driver to mount as a virtual CD of sorts; I used this to inspect the 2.0.5R CDROM image before ever burning it to gold. Furthermore, if we ever got a read/write CD9660 filesystem working, one could even "hot-patch" the image generated, doctoring it up a bit before finally taking the image and whapping it onto CD. That would be neat. Any interest out there? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 08:21:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA11989 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:21:31 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA11983 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 08:21:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09416; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:21:56 +0100 To: Peter da Silva cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:00:42 CDT." <199506241400.JAA14194@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:21:56 +0100 Message-ID: <9414.804007316@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Don't feel too bad about the update thing... OSF/1 still doesn't have > update installs working right... Yeah, but it's a festering sore and I'm really at the stage where it's going to move to #1 on my list, right up there with the release of 2.1 itself. A lot of people out there don't have the time or the inclination to reinstall their entire system from scratch every time, yet they want to have the warm, fuzzy feeling of knowing that they're working with the latest bits. They may also not have the disk space to "go current" and simply make the world themselves, plus a make world in /usr/src also isn't something that necessarily equivalent to the latest release anyway. It doesn't update _everything_ that may be required (like the appropriate /etc files). Finally, the CD customers who are already running happily with the last CD really don't want to blast everything to smithereens again if they can just stick the CD in the drive, type "update" and have the whole system update itself happily from CDROM, ask to reboot and then come up with flying colors. THAT is the way it should be done! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 09:46:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15745 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:46:47 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15739 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:46:38 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.5/8.7.Beta.5) with SMTP id MAA16942; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506241646.MAA16942@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 12:46:32 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:52:52 +0100 you wrote: >I don't mean to rain on your parade, but from everything I've heard, >the Caldera folks are Linux and GPL fanatics. I doubt that sending >them a CD would result in anything more significant happening than the >generation of a few chuckles inside the Caldera project. Maybe, maybe not. One way to look at it is that they might actually like the product enough to port their application. Maybe soemone could try contacting Caldera and "probe for interest". We might get lucky. >> Or maybe the FreeBSD project members should look around and try to >> come up with their own desktop for FreeBSD (maybe based on the COSE >> desktop). At any rate, I think that the interface is where the battle >> lines will be drawn and I want to ensure that the package that I love >> is able to fight back with a competitive if not superior product. > >This is a fight I could get behind. I guess then we have to find some interested parties. Since COSE already has a relatively well defined interface, maybe that would be the easiest way to go. Probably the first problem, however, is that COSE requires Motif and that is something that FreeBSD does not have (at least not out of the box). I thought I saw, once upon a time, that there was a group working on a free Motif. Perhaps we need to have a chat with the XFree people; they would probably know about any movements in that area. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 09:59:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16227 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:59:03 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16221 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:59:01 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA05508; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:59:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:59:44 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506241659.MAA05508@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Creating iso9660 filesystems:mkisofs X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The mkisofs that comes with 2.0.5-R is apparently broken, an assertian fails in some chunk of code. Now I find this odd because I just took the stock code off tsx-11 and built it and it didnt require a single change, and worked as advertised (I've made many cd's off it). My question is did someone try and tweak the code in the FreeBSD tree? -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:08:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16694 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:08:50 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16688 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:08:47 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA19349 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:07:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:07:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199506241707.NAA19349@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius says.... >> That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete >> with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the >> problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > Cisco doesn't run IP in Hardware...in fact 2 PCI cards should have more hardware pop than a multi-ethernet cisco. > The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the >bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? > The bottleneck is in he way that BSD communicates with interfaces. Most ethernet routers "cheat" to get performance. They call it creative things like "fast packet switching", but all they really do is keep all of the local interface addresses cached and bypass standard IP processing when local packets arrive. You could do it in BSD by passing packets directly from one interface to another instead of passing them to IP. We do it in our IPX module for BSD/OS and get very good throughput (haven't finished porting it to FreeBSD yet), but its very usable with 2 SMC 16-bit cards (haven't tried PCI yet) with much greater then 1mbs throughput. To do this for IP would be messy and shouldn't be part of a good operating system. The bottom line is that UN*X boxes aren't really appropriate for more local routers...multiple ethernets on a WAN, yes, but for 4 ethernets there are more appropriate solutions. Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:11:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16878 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:11:12 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16872 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:11:09 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA19368 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:10:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:10:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199506241710.NAA19368@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >> On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> >> > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete >> > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the >> > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. >> >> The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the >> bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? > >The bottleneck is that you have to wait for full frame reception >before you get an interrupt to tell you to go look at the header >to decide what to do with the packet. > >In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting >the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so >they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is >even completly received. > > This is not necessary to get good throughput, although it wouldn't hurt. You can still get 5mbs without this, which is plenty. dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:14:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17207 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:14:28 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17190 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:14:25 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506241714.KAA17190@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, announce@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506241400.JAA14194@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 24, 95 09:00:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 444 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Don't feel too bad about the update thing... OSF/1 still doesn't have > update installs working right... I don't think I have ever seen an "update" install working right... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:24:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18133 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:24:46 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18126 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:24:43 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01002; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:26:15 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id NAA29936; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:24:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-Reply-To: <9414.804007316@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Finally, the CD customers who are already running happily with the > last CD really don't want to blast everything to smithereens again if > they can just stick the CD in the drive, type "update" and have the > whole system update itself happily from CDROM, ask to reboot and then > come up with flying colors. THAT is the way it should be done! :) [not that I use FreeBSD of a CD] but that *is* the way it should work. Rather like the way make works for a source tree in general. Anyway, count me in for work on the update part of the project. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:26:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18271 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:26:26 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18241 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:26:18 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA28701; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:23:35 +1000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:23:35 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506241723.DAA28701@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, peter@bonkers.taronga.com Subject: Re: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> The FreeBSD port of tcl 7.3 has diffs for the fpmask and the rounding >> mode. These diffs apparently still apply (FreeBSD certainly hasn't >> changed). It also has diffs for configuring strtod(). >The NetBSD bmaked version I ported to FreeBSD doesn't seem to have these. Try >leaving them out. The fpmask() call is certainly required. The only uncertainty is whether tcl already has it. NetBSD doesn't need it since all FPU exceptions are masked by default in NetBSD. The fpsetround() call is a no-op. Rounding to nearest is the default for most systems, including FreeBSD. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:32:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18459 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:32:27 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18453 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:32:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19358; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:32:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199506241732.KAA19358@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu cc: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:46:53 CDT." <199506241446.JAA03561@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:32:05 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Rich Murphey said: Howdy Rich, Long time we don't hear from you :) I switched to gnumalloc on XF86_S3 and I have not seen any problems. It is kind of early to report bugs. So far xman is not hugging the X server's memory, at one point xman managed to make the X server grow to 20MB over here with libc's malloc. My guess is that there is a memory leak on the X server. Given that xman exasperates the problem it may be worth a try to use re-link the X server with mprof and running xman againt the X server. At any rate, I like gnu's malloc functionality of giving back to the system memory that programs free up. I recompiled mxterm with gnumalloc and right now my system feels a bit more snappy. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 10:59:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19165 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:59:22 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19159 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:59:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199506241759.KAA19159@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA037376825; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:00:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Old 1.1.5.1 ppp problem To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <9178.804004723@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 03:38:43 pm Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 491 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Bleah. ij-ppp! ij-ppp! :-) > > > I finally got the house a dial-up net connection with PPP. Is there a port to 1.1.5.x... when I built it I ran into the problem of setreuid and setgeuid not working. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 11:54:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21130 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:54:13 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21105 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:54:09 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA13138; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:59 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA22768 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA09937 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:16:09 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506241816.UAA09937@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:16:07 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506241446.JAA03561@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> from "Rich Murphey" at Jun 24, 95 09:46:53 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1005 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rich Murphey wrote: > > When FreeBSD had two separate malloc shared libraries we had > a XFree86 release which could use either malloc library simply > by swapping the names. Substituting libgnumalloc.so.1.1 for > libmalloc.so.1.1 worked just fine for the server. But this > was only my individual testing and nothing rigorous. > > We don't really know whether the problems last year using > gnumalloc were due to valid differences in the API or > unwitting problems in the server itself. But we can start > beta testing with gnumalloc and see how it goes. Rich Hmm, except for XFree86 3.1.1, i've always modified my xf86site.def to use -lgmalloc (i simply forgot it when re-vamping the last official version from scratch). I've never noticed any problems. (And due to the modification of the site.def, this has been inherited by all clients, too.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:10:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21593 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:10:12 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21584 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:10:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09763; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:10:38 +0100 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems:mkisofs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:59:44 EDT." <199506241659.MAA05508@crh.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9760.804021037.1@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:10:38 +0100 Message-ID: <9761.804021038@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The mkisofs that comes with 2.0.5-R is apparently broken, an assertian fails in > some chunk of code. Now I find this odd because I just took the stock code off > tsx-11 and built it and it didnt require a single change, and worked as > advertised (I've made many cd's off it). My question is did someone try and > tweak the code in the FreeBSD tree? The assertions were added as a second pass and can always be removed, but they were added because the code actually _doesn't_ do the right thing in the case where you haven't specified some flag and are making an image of some bits that do, in fact, require it. The entire option handling section of mkisofs is broken and mutant. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:14:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21751 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:46 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21743 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA13409; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:37 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506241914.MAA13409@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506241710.NAA19368@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 24, 95 01:10:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1603 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >> > >> > That said, be aware that any kind of UN*X box doesn't exactly compete > >> > with a Cisco in terms of performance. They throw raw hardware at the > >> > problem whereas we have to do it the hard way, in software. > >> > >> The bottleneck certainly can't be in the CPU can it? Where is the > >> bottleneck with PCI and a good 486 motherboard? > > > >The bottleneck is that you have to wait for full frame reception > >before you get an interrupt to tell you to go look at the header > >to decide what to do with the packet. > > > >In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting > >the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so > >they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is > >even completly received. > > > > > This is not necessary to get good throughput, although it wouldn't hurt. You > can still get 5mbs without this, which is plenty. Not when you start looking at 100MB/sec ethernet it isn't!!! Sure 400 to 500 KByte/sec for 10MB/sec ethernet routing is just fine by me, but as soon as I reproduce the numbers for 100MB/sec routing you will see what I mean about we need to make some improvements. We need to get that routing performance into the 50MB/sec range and we are not even close. (I seem to recall about 20MB/sec, but am not sure right now, too many numbers floating around in my head). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:22:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22063 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:22:39 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA22057 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:22:31 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA27169 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:02:11 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA19021; 24 Jun 95 13:53:55 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA19018; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:53:54 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506241853.NAA19018@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it In-Reply-To: <199506241723.DAA28701@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 25, 95 03:23:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 609 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> The FreeBSD port of tcl 7.3 has diffs for the fpmask and the rounding > >> mode. These diffs apparently still apply (FreeBSD certainly hasn't > >> changed). It also has diffs for configuring strtod(). > >The NetBSD bmaked version I ported to FreeBSD doesn't seem to have these. Try > >leaving them out. > The fpmask() call is certainly required. The only uncertainty is whether > tcl already has it. NetBSD doesn't need it since all FPU exceptions are > masked by default in NetBSD. My apologies for confusing you. I'm referring to any strtod() change. The fpmask and fpsetround calls are in it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:46:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22543 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:46:00 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22537 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:45:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10084; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:46:28 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:16:07 +0200." <199506241816.UAA09937@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10081.804023187.1@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:46:28 +0100 Message-ID: <10082.804023188@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm, except for XFree86 3.1.1, i've always modified my xf86site.def to > use -lgmalloc (i simply forgot it when re-vamping the last official > version from scratch). I've never noticed any problems. (And due to Hmmm. Where do you set this? I've looked through the whole thing and don't see any knobs for adding in extra libraries. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:54:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22751 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:09 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22745 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:07 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00686; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA00491; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199506241954.MAA00491@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 12:14:36 PDT." <199506241914.MAA13409@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:54:26 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> This is not necessary to get good throughput, although it wouldn't hurt. You >> can still get 5mbs without this, which is plenty. > >Not when you start looking at 100MB/sec ethernet it isn't!!! Sure 400 to 500 >KByte/sec for 10MB/sec ethernet routing is just fine by me, but as soon as >I reproduce the numbers for 100MB/sec routing you will see what I mean >about we need to make some improvements. > >We need to get that routing performance into the 50MB/sec range and we are >not even close. (I seem to recall about 20MB/sec, but am not sure right >now, too many numbers floating around in my head). On a fast Pentium, it is possible to route packets at a rate >70Mbits/sec in FreeBSD-current. ...but this is talking raw data throughput. In terms of packets/sec, we don't do so well...about 10000 packets/sec is about tops. This is less than 1/10th the capability of 100BASE-TX. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 12:58:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22893 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:58:43 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22887 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:58:39 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20476; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:58:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199506241958.MAA20476@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:46:28 BST." <10082.804023188@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:58:32 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > Hmm, except for XFree86 3.1.1, i've always modified my xf86site.def to > > use -lgmalloc (i simply forgot it when re-vamping the last official > > version from scratch). I've never noticed any problems. (And due to > > Hmmm. Where do you set this? I've looked through the whole thing > and don't see any knobs for adding in extra libraries. > > Jordan Look in FreeBSD.cf : #define CcCmd cc #define CppCmd /usr/libexec/cpp #define PreProcessCmd CppCmd #define StandardCppDefines -traditional #if UseInstalled #define DefaultCCOptions /**/ #else #define DefaultCCOptions -ansi -pedantic -Dasm=__asm #endif #ifndef ExtraLibraries #if OSMajorVersion == 1 #define ExtraLibraries /* -lmalloc */ #else #define ExtraLibraries /* -lgnumalloc */ #endif #endif From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 13:41:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23891 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:41:30 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23884 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:41:28 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA16091 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:41:26 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id NAA05385 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:40:08 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01118; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:40:39 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id QAA02397; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:39:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: David Greenman cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506241954.MAA00491@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On a fast Pentium, it is possible to route packets at a rate >70Mbits/sec > in FreeBSD-current. ...but this is talking raw data throughput. In terms of > packets/sec, we don't do so well...about 10000 packets/sec is about tops. This > is less than 1/10th the capability of 100BASE-TX. > [I'm not questioning your results here, just curious.] How did you get the estimate of performance on a pentium? I tried [just to see a ball park figure] a tcpblast on 127.0.0.1 on a moderately loaded 486/66 and got about 1.1 Megabytes/second or 9.1 Mbits/second. I seem to have some foggy idea that the top limit of an ISA motherboard is about 10 megabits/second, but that sounds too much like the standard ether limit. On a pentium, we are under the assumption that the bus and processor aren't the limiting factor, and just BSD is slowing things down. So what is it? Second question, and related. Even if an software based router has to wait for an entire packet frame to come in before routing it, that strikes me only as a latency problem, and not a thruput problem, especially on cards that can multitask and have builtin buffers [32k in the SMC 100mbps I believe] Couldn't the driver be written to grab the entire contents of the buffer and route them all the packets at once? I can't imagine that a 486 or a Pentium is slower in horsepower than a Cisco box, even though a cisco may be able to turn them around faster. Actually, if memory serves, the clock interrupt hits many times a second. In BSD I think rtc0 is about 100 times per second. With a 32k buffer polled once per tick, you are getting MUCH higher thruput than 100megabits assuming you are on a PCI bus [scratch the 486 in that scenario]. Assuming the same thing that is polling [probably built into the kernel] can have part of gated builtin [in a router that is using nearly 100% of its bus bandwidth for routing, there isn't much left for it to do anything else] that routes. Sort of a low-level approach to it, very similar to building everything into the driver, but it would HAVE to pull very good performance as far as I can tell. The only problem would be on networks with sporadic traffic, the latency bite might be a little high. On higher utilized networks, I can't imagine 10-12 ms latency on a 80 megabit stream of packets is a problem. If I am missing something fundamental, please set me straight. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 13:48:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAB24137 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:48:20 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24129 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:48:17 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00805; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:48:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00597; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:48:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242048.NAA00597@corbin.Root.COM> To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:39:12 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:48:25 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> On a fast Pentium, it is possible to route packets at a rate >70Mbits/sec >> in FreeBSD-current. ...but this is talking raw data throughput. In terms of >> packets/sec, we don't do so well...about 10000 packets/sec is about tops. This >> is less than 1/10th the capability of 100BASE-TX. >> > >[I'm not questioning your results here, just curious.] How did you get >the estimate of performance on a pentium? I tried [just to see a ball >park figure] a tcpblast on 127.0.0.1 on a moderately loaded 486/66 and >got about 1.1 Megabytes/second or 9.1 Mbits/second. I seem to have some >foggy idea that the top limit of an ISA motherboard is about 10 >megabits/second, but that sounds too much like the standard ether limit. Um, we were talking about router performance...not the ability to send data through a TCP socket to localhost. Very different things. >On a pentium, we are under the assumption that the bus and processor >aren't the limiting factor, and just BSD is slowing things down. So what >is it? I think we should assume high performance hardware. The difference in cost between a Pentium-90 w/PCI (bus mastering DMA) ethernet card and a 486/66 w/ISA ether is fairly small these days (unless of course you already have the 486/66...). The limitation is definately software at this point. That's why we do well in bytes/sec, but poorly in packets/sec. >high. On higher utilized networks, I can't imagine 10-12 ms latency on a >80 megabit stream of packets is a problem. We're not talking anywhere near that much delay. ...More like 700-800us. Again, the problem isn't latency or 'bandwidth'. The problem is packets/sec. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 13:57:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24604 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:57:42 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24590 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:57:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20453; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:58:06 +0100 To: Amancio Hasty cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:58:32 PDT." <199506241958.MAA20476@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:58:05 +0100 Message-ID: <20451.804027485@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Look in FreeBSD.cf : > #define CcCmd cc > #define CppCmd /usr/libexec/cpp Thanks, I discovered it already (and have a make World going right now). I was just confused by where Joerg said it was! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:02:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24980 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:02:20 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24968 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:02:13 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA11269 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:21 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:21 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506241953.UAA11269@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone else see this with ijppp? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk First off, I'm no longer using ijppp in "auto" mode as it has this tendency to want to dial and leave the link logged in for hours at a time, even with no traffic. Since phone calls cost money here, I use it by simply doing a `ppp ' and then typing "dial" and "close" when I want to connect and disconnect, respectively. My question is what I always see when I do the close, namely: PPP ON whisker> close write: No such process write: No such process write: No such process It doesn't seem to be any kind of fatal error, and the line is definitely closed properly so I'm not really _complaining_, I'm just curious. Any of the ijppp hackers out there care to comment? Oh, and on the subject of ppp dialing up and staying up for hours, yes I've set a timeout and yes I've put in a filter for dialing that blocks pings and yes I've set `hosts' before `bind' in my /etc/host.conf so that simple DNS queries don't trigger it. And it still does it.. :-) Neither of these things are show-stoppers, and I still love ij-ppp. It's great! I'd just like to make it a little better, perhaps.. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:05:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25220 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:05:24 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25214 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:05:23 -0700 Received: from id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (root@[128.249.248.67]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA16126 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:05:09 -0700 Received: by id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.11/1.34) id QAA02169; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:03:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:03:16 -0500 From: rich@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (Rich Murphey) Message-Id: <199506242103.QAA02169@id.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, j@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199506241732.KAA19358@rah.star-gate.com> (message from Amancio Hasty on Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:32:05 -0700) Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk |From: Amancio Hasty |I switched to gnumalloc on XF86_S3 and I have not seen any problems. |It is kind of early to report bugs. So far xman is not hugging the |X server's memory, at one point xman managed to make the X server |grow to 20MB over here with libc's malloc. My guess is that there |is a memory leak on the X server. Given that xman exasperates the |problem it may be worth a try to use re-link the X server with |mprof and running xman againt the X server. | |From: J Wunsch |Hmm, except for XFree86 3.1.1, i've always modified my xf86site.def to |use -lgmalloc (i simply forgot it when re-vamping the last official |version from scratch). I've never noticed any problems. (And due to |the modification of the site.def, this has been inherited by all |clients, too.) I agree with you both. -- It gnumalloc works for the server 'in my hands' as well. Yet the beta testers did report problems. At the moment it's far easier for me to create binaries for beta testing. So unless there are objections I think I'll use gnumalloc in the next couple rounds of beta tests and see if it can pass the beta tests. Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:05:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25271 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:05:40 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25253 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:05:37 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01130; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:07:11 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id RAA02600; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:05:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: David Greenman cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506242048.NAA00597@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ahh... thanks for clearing me up on that, and so fast. So the problem is how to get BSD to handle packets faster. And I guess my question still is, why can't we move some of the packet-handling and routing directly into the driver where it is a few layers closer to the actual hardware. Not really off loading, but giving the packet-handling code a chunk of the CPU time (probably as much as it needs) w/o being able to be squeezed out by other processes and such. I wasn't suggesting using a 486/ISA to act as a 100mbps router, just giving you the system information to explain the 9.1 mbps thruput to localhost. Even though I wouldn't be surprised if, with properly optimized code, if one could handle it. There is a program called pc-route for DOS systems that supposedly is as fat-free as code can be [no branches in the assembly source, etc]. On a pentium with 2 100 mbps cards, I am wondering how fast it could move packets to give a theoretical packet/s maximum. Anyone have a configuration where they could try it? -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:06:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25321 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:06:16 -0700 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25313 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:06:10 -0700 Received: from asterix.urc.tue.nl [131.155.5.10] by mailhost.tue.nl (8.6.10) id XAA18166 (SMTP). Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:58 +0200 Received: from wmbfmk@localhost by asterix.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) id XAA06191. Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:57 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Message-Id: <199506242105.XAA06191@asterix.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: evanc@synapse.net Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:57 +0200 (MDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506241646.MAA16942@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 24, 95 12:46:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 701 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I guess then we have to find some interested parties. Since COSE > already has a relatively well defined interface, maybe that would be > the easiest way to go. > Is it described somewhere? > Probably the first problem, however, is that COSE requires Motif and > that is something that FreeBSD does not have (at least not out of the > box). I thought I saw, once upon a time, that there was a group > working on a free Motif. Perhaps we need to have a chat with the > XFree people; they would probably know about any movements in that > area. Terry said he was working on a Motif clone and claims to cover about 20% of the interface right now. He was looking for *serious* helpers. Marc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:07:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25468 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:07:34 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25455 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:07:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA13740; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:07:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506242107.OAA13740@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506242048.NAA00597@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 24, 95 01:48:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1985 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... > >On a pentium, we are under the assumption that the bus and processor > >aren't the limiting factor, and just BSD is slowing things down. So what > >is it? > > I think we should assume high performance hardware. The difference in cost > between a Pentium-90 w/PCI (bus mastering DMA) ethernet card and a 486/66 > w/ISA ether is fairly small these days (unless of course you already have the > 486/66...). The limitation is definately software at this point. That's why we > do well in bytes/sec, but poorly in packets/sec. I would like to quantify that ``fairly small these days''. AMD DX2/66 CPU chip, $131.00. Intel P54C-90 CPU chip $421. Over 3X, something I defanitly would not call a ``small amount''. Then add to that the difference in MB cost, $100 for the lowend 486MB, vs over $200 for the lowest price P90 MB I could find. Again 2X. Now onto the ethernet card, $49.00 for a cheap ISA WD80xx clone, $99.00 for the a PCI card. So it looks like $280 vs $720. I would call that ``significant'' amount of money. Also since this is probably going to be highly memory speed dependent I suspect an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G (PCI) could route packets just about as fast as an ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 due to the fact that thier main memory speeds are *very* close. (Note the ASUS 486SP3G costs as much as the P54TP4 so the price scale is only the CPU delta, but you get a free NCR SCSI controller in the deal :-).) > >high. On higher utilized networks, I can't imagine 10-12 ms latency on a > >80 megabit stream of packets is a problem. > > We're not talking anywhere near that much delay. ...More like 700-800us. > Again, the problem isn't latency or 'bandwidth'. The problem is packets/sec. Agreed, and that is probably what was stuffing up my values, I will do a more complete test and see what I can get. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:11:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25676 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:11:11 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25668 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:11:04 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05020; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:10:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242110.OAA05020@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:21 BST." <199506241953.UAA11269@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:10:58 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > First off, I'm no longer using ijppp in "auto" mode as it has this > tendency to want to dial and leave the link logged in for hours at a time, Before I switch to ISDN, about 1.5 months ago, iijppp was working in auto mode. If there is a bug with iijppp not disconnecting an idle line when operating in "auto" then it should be fixed. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:13:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25815 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:39 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25808 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:34 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA00885; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00135; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242113.OAA00135@corbin.Root.COM> To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 17:05:29 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:58 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >So the problem is how to get BSD to handle packets faster. And I guess my >question still is, why can't we move some of the packet-handling and routing >directly into the driver where it is a few layers closer to the actual >hardware. Not really off loading, but giving the packet-handling code a >chunk of the CPU time (probably as much as it needs) w/o being able to be >squeezed out by other processes and such. If there is a way that can be found to do it in an architecturally clean way, then we may very do this...but is may not be necessary. I haven't had a chance to look carefully at where CPU is being spent when routing packets. On of these days... >There is a program called pc-route for DOS systems that supposedly is as >fat-free as code can be [no branches in the assembly source, etc]. On a >pentium with 2 100 mbps cards, I am wondering how fast it could move >packets to give a theoretical packet/s maximum. Anyone have a >configuration where they could try it? Last time I used pc-route, it crashed every 5-30 minutes. It's performance wasn't so hot, either. I haven't looked at it in a year or so, so perhaps the code has been improved. The main things that stick in my memory are that it was a black box, difficult to configure, impossible to troubleshoot, and had a broken RIP implementation. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:31:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26303 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:31:02 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26289 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:30:55 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA01653; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:28:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:28:21 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506242128.HAA01653@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: davidg@Root.COM, nc@ai.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Second question, and related. Even if an software based router has to >wait for an entire packet frame to come in before routing it, that >strikes me only as a latency problem, and not a thruput problem, >especially on cards that can multitask and have builtin buffers [32k in >the SMC 100mbps I believe] Couldn't the driver be written to grab the This seems rather small. 4K buffers cause problems at 10Mbps so I suppose 40K would cause problems at 100Mbps. >entire contents of the buffer and route them all the packets at once? I >can't imagine that a 486 or a Pentium is slower in horsepower than a >Cisco box, even though a cisco may be able to turn them around faster. >Actually, if memory serves, the clock interrupt hits many times a second. >In BSD I think rtc0 is about 100 times per second. With a 32k buffer clk0 >polled once per tick, you are getting MUCH higher thruput than >100megabits assuming you are on a PCI bus [scratch the 486 in that Much lower. 32K * 100 * 8 is only 24Mbps. 100Mbps is a lot. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:35:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26511 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:35:34 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26504 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:35:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22785; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:35:59 +0100 To: Amancio Hasty cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:10:58 PDT." <199506242110.OAA05020@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:35:57 +0100 Message-ID: <22783.804029757@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Before I switch to ISDN, about 1.5 months ago, iijppp was working in auto > mode. If there is a bug with iijppp not disconnecting an idle line > when operating in "auto" then it should be fixed. You keep talking about that ISDN line, but my own queries to Pacific Bell have shown ISDN to be entirely unsuitable for dedicated service. Are you paying per-minute charges there? If not, just what exactly did you order because I want one too! :-) Jordan P.S. Yes, I know one can do clever things with dial-on-demand but I'm not interested. I want a *dedicated* line that can be used by either party in either direction at any time, and for any amount of time, without giving me a rude shock at the end of the month. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:42:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26725 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:42:39 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA26717 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:42:37 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA15503; Sat, 24 Jun 95 15:35:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506242135.AA15503@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 15:35:44 MDT Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9414.804007316@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 04:21:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Don't feel too bad about the update thing... OSF/1 still doesn't have > > update installs working right... > > Yeah, but it's a festering sore and I'm really at the stage where it's > going to move to #1 on my list, right up there with the release of 2.1 > itself. > > A lot of people out there don't have the time or the inclination to > reinstall their entire system from scratch every time, yet they want > to have the warm, fuzzy feeling of knowing that they're working with > the latest bits. They may also not have the disk space to "go > current" and simply make the world themselves, plus a make world in > /usr/src also isn't something that necessarily equivalent to the > latest release anyway. It doesn't update _everything_ that may be > required (like the appropriate /etc files). So *totally* divorce the configuration information from the *use* of the configuration. Then you can overwrite all the rc.* scripts or whatever to your heart's content. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:50:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27000 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:50:32 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26993 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:50:27 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA02005; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:46:02 +1000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:46:02 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506242146.HAA02005@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: davidg@Root.COM, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, nc@ai.net Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I would like to quantify that ``fairly small these days''. AMD DX2/66 CPU >... >So it looks like $280 vs $720. I would call that ``significant'' amount That's still small compared with total system cost. >of money. Also since this is probably going to be highly memory speed >dependent I suspect an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G (PCI) could route packets just >about as fast as an ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 due to the fact that thier main memory >speeds are *very* close. (Note the ASUS 486SP3G costs as much as the I think to have any chance of handling n * 100Mbps you would have to lock all the code and data into a cache, preferably the CPU cache. This wouldn't be easy in a general purpose system. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:55:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27225 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:55:59 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27217 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:55:53 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA07627; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:55:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242155.OAA07627@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:35:57 BST." <22783.804029757@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:55:47 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > Before I switch to ISDN, about 1.5 months ago, iijppp was working in auto > > mode. If there is a bug with iijppp not disconnecting an idle line > > when operating in "auto" then it should be fixed. > > You keep talking about that ISDN line, but my own queries to Pacific > Bell have shown ISDN to be entirely unsuitable for dedicated service. > Are you paying per-minute charges there? If not, just what exactly > did you order because I want one too! :-) Well this is my story, My ISDN line connection costs $100 / month flat fee and that includes ISDN line connection cost plus ISP charges. So Whats the trick? My ISDN Line is a Centrex extension to my ISP so when I am connected to the net all I am doing is calling an isdn ext number :) Centrex service is about $200 a month + $31 a month per ISDN line so if a few of you in close geographical location which have ready access to the Net like the folks in Walnut Creek can band together you can enjoy low cost ISDN connectivity. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:57:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27353 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:57:41 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27335 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:57:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23849; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:47:46 +0100 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:35:44 MDT." <9506242135.AA15503@cs.weber.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:47:44 +0100 Message-ID: <23841.804030464@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > So *totally* divorce the configuration information from the *use* of the > configuration. Well, that's sort of what /etc/sysconfig is eventually supposed to become. Then you'd never overwrite the user's sysconfig file and would, at most, patch it to fold in whatever knobs had been added.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 14:58:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27455 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:58:35 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27448 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:58:30 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA01153; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:00:02 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id RAA03003; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:58:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: David Greenman cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506242113.OAA00135@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Last time I used pc-route, it crashed every 5-30 minutes. It's performance > wasn't so hot, either. I haven't looked at it in a year or so, so perhaps the > code has been improved. The main things that stick in my memory are that it was > a black box, difficult to configure, impossible to troubleshoot, and had a > broken RIP implementation. > I wasn't suggesting either using pc-route code or using pc-route as a modern-day router [I don't even know if its being maintained]. I was just curious how it would run on faster equipment for a theoretical max, all the benchmarks I have seen on it talks about turning an 8088-0 into a router, not a P90. I figured that pc-route whether reliable or not addresses as many of the software issues in terms of overhead that can be, cleanly. This is of course assuming that someone can get it to run long enough to do a benchmark on it. :) -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 15:01:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA27616 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:01:00 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA27607 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:00:57 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) with SMTP id SAA25636; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506242200.SAA25636@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 18:00:44 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:57 +0200 (MDT) you wrote: >Is it described somewhere? Probably the best place to ask would be the OSF and the X/Open people. >Terry said he was working on a Motif clone and claims to cover >about 20% of the interface right now. He was looking for >*serious* helpers. That's great! While I am not really equipped to join in the development, I am sure there are others who would help Terry out. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 15:15:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28006 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:15:01 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA27993 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:14:58 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16015; Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:08:00 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506242208.AA16015@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: evanc@synapse.net Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:07:59 MDT Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506241646.MAA16942@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 24, 95 12:46:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I don't mean to rain on your parade, but from everything I've heard, > >the Caldera folks are Linux and GPL fanatics. I doubt that sending > >them a CD would result in anything more significant happening than the > >generation of a few chuckles inside the Caldera project. > > Maybe, maybe not. One way to look at it is that they might actually > like the product enough to port their application. Maybe soemone > could try contacting Caldera and "probe for interest". We might get > lucky. They aren't all GPL fanatics. Most of these folks are from Novell, Sandy. Let's see, Ron Holt, used to be 5 offices north of me. Brian Sparks was one floor down. Ransome Love was one floor down. Jim Freeman was on the West side of the building on the other side of the restrooms. And Bryce Burns was in the second to northmost office on the same side as me. Ransome Love and Ron Holt used to work for Sanyo/ICON, Inc. Nope. Pretty much, Jim is the only fanatic, but Its A Good Thing. 8-). I think they'd be open to approach; I was very nearly working there myself. > >> Or maybe the FreeBSD project members should look around and try to > >> come up with their own desktop for FreeBSD (maybe based on the COSE > >> desktop). At any rate, I think that the interface is where the battle > >> lines will be drawn and I want to ensure that the package that I love > >> is able to fight back with a competitive if not superior product. > > > >This is a fight I could get behind. > > I guess then we have to find some interested parties. Since COSE > already has a relatively well defined interface, maybe that would be > the easiest way to go. > > Probably the first problem, however, is that COSE requires Motif and > that is something that FreeBSD does not have (at least not out of the > box). I thought I saw, once upon a time, that there was a group > working on a free Motif. Perhaps we need to have a chat with the > XFree people; they would probably know about any movements in that > area. I was working pretty heavily on a FreeCDE; it's kind of on the back burner for right now. Part of that was a Motif clone library called Mimic. I'd say it was further along than "LessTif", even though I haven't been spending time on it lately (I got bogged down on type converters for manifest constants and bailed to work on other stuff, like getting a real net connection). I also have some initial work on a desktop using a modified "magic" approach (I generalized the interface into a library/vector system) for file identification -- much better than stupidly falling back on file extension. Unfortunately, there are some issues of drag-n-drop that aren't resolved, but which some recent publications will help with once they hit the bookstore. Specifically, there's protocol interoperability issues with "real" Motif apps that I'd like to see fixed, so I haven't done any DnD stuff in Mimic (Motif implements DnD by replacing the VendorShell widget class in Xt and inheriting behaviour -- that's why you can't use Motif and Athena widgets in the same program, for instance, since Athena also does this and one will win and one will lose). Give me another month and I'll probaly be ready to throw the code open to more general developement under UCB style licensing (some of you have already seen alpha test versions of the Mimic code; it's not significantly improved over the last alpha-test). I have three machines that I'll be working on to get running, and it will take that long for me to get them to a stable state after a one week vacation. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 15:31:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAB28343 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:31:29 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAB28337 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:31:28 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16162; Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:24:37 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506242224.AA16162@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:24:36 MDT Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <23841.804030464@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 10:47:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > So *totally* divorce the configuration information from the *use* of the > > configuration. > > Well, that's sort of what /etc/sysconfig is eventually supposed to > become. Then you'd never overwrite the user's sysconfig file and > would, at most, patch it to fold in whatever knobs had been added.. / needs to be mountable read only. /var/sysconfig (or similar). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 15:38:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28484 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:38:16 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28478 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:38:09 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07900; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242237.PAA07900@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: evanc@synapse.net, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:07:59 MDT." <9506242208.AA16015@cs.weber.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:37:09 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Terry Lambert said: > > >I don't mean to rain on your parade, but from everything I've heard, > > >the Caldera folks are Linux and GPL fanatics. I doubt that sending > > >them a CD would result in anything more significant happening than the > > >generation of a few chuckles inside the Caldera project. > > > > Maybe, maybe not. One way to look at it is that they might actually > > like the product enough to port their application. Maybe soemone > > could try contacting Caldera and "probe for interest". We might get > > lucky. > > They aren't all GPL fanatics. > > Most of these folks are from Novell, Sandy. > Since you know the Caldera folks, maybe you can ask them if they could do a port for us :) Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 15:57:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28747 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:57:47 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28741 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:57:45 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01052; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:57:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA00155; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:58:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199506242258.PAA00155@corbin.Root.COM> To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 17:58:20 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:58:07 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> Last time I used pc-route, it crashed every 5-30 minutes. It's performance >> wasn't so hot, either. I haven't looked at it in a year or so, so perhaps the >> code has been improved. The main things that stick in my memory are that it was >> a black box, difficult to configure, impossible to troubleshoot, and had a >> broken RIP implementation. >> > >I wasn't suggesting either using pc-route code or using pc-route as a >modern-day router [I don't even know if its being maintained]. I was just >curious how it would run on faster equipment for a theoretical max, all >the benchmarks I have seen on it talks about turning an 8088-0 into a >router, not a P90. I figured that pc-route whether reliable or not >addresses as many of the software issues in terms of overhead that can >be, cleanly. This is of course assuming that someone can get it to run >long enough to do a benchmark on it. :) Right, but try to read behind what I'm saying: BSD routers *do* have the advantage of providing high-level statistics and utilities that can be used to troubleshoot problems (at the router) that a program like pc-route currently does not have. pc-route only handles the lowly RIP routing protocol, mostly because complex routing protocols are beyond the scope of such a simple routing solution. ...and like I said, despite the hipe, I found pc-route to be rather aweful in terms of performance (I was using it with a 386 at the time). For one thing, it's a 16bit program. I also am pretty sure that it has *no* PCI support (it didn't when I messed with it). I understand your point - that perhaps pc-route could be used as some sort of best-case of which to compare to. My point is that I already know that PC (PCI) hardware is capable of moving packets at full speed. Hopefully when some of us gets some time, we'll look into improving the bootlenecks. I'm actually surprised to hear Rod's 400KB/sec benchmark. I was getting better than that a year ago with a pair of 486/33 boxes w/ISA ethernet cards. If that's all we can do these days with Pentiums and PCI, then something is very wrong. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:01:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28887 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:01:34 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA28877 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:01:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA28277; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:01:36 +0100 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:24:36 MDT." <9506242224.AA16162@cs.weber.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:01:35 +0100 Message-ID: <28274.804034895@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, that's sort of what /etc/sysconfig is eventually supposed to > > become. Then you'd never overwrite the user's sysconfig file and > > would, at most, patch it to fold in whatever knobs had been added.. > > / needs to be mountable read only. /var/sysconfig (or similar). Heh?? What does a read-only root have to do with /etc/sysconfig? If you're going to do an update then obviously you NEED to have root be read/write for awhile or you won't be able to have things like /bin or /sbin updated either! If you're using a common root from a server then obviously you're going to run the update THERE, not on the diskless workstation. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:02:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28966 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:02:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA28960 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:02:14 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA17735; Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:55:14 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506242255.AA17735@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:55:14 MDT Cc: evanc@synapse.net, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506242237.PAA07900@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 24, 95 03:37:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > They aren't all GPL fanatics. > > > > Most of these folks are from Novell, Sandy. > > > Since you know the Caldera folks, maybe you can ask them if they > could do a port for us :) I'll ask. Since they are partnered with Red Hat Linux distribution, they might be more receptive to a distributor contact, like WC CDROM, where they'll see a positive market channel benefit. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:06:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA29138 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:06:58 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA29124 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:06:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA28438; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:06:52 +0100 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: evanc@synapse.net, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:07:59 MDT." <9506242208.AA16015@cs.weber.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: <28436.804035211@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Let's see, Ron Holt, used to be 5 offices north of me. Brian Sparks > was one floor down. Ransome Love was one floor down. Jim Freeman was > on the West side of the building on the other side of the restrooms. > And Bryce Burns was in the second to northmost office on the same side > as me. Ah. So, when can you start, Ambassador Lambert? :) > I was working pretty heavily on a FreeCDE; it's kind of on the back > burner for right now. Part of that was a Motif clone library called > Mimic. I'd say it was further along than "LessTif", even though I Hmmm. You always seem to have about 14 projects going at once. Where DO you work these days, eh Terry? C'mon, fess up! :-) We all know you're not with Novell anymore, but you've been pretty cagey about your committments ever since you left and trying to decide what kind of "engine" you represent is something of a challenge. Right now I have you filed under "random text generators" in my global resources database, right next to "jive" and "eliza".. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:30:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA29582 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:30:07 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA29576 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:30:05 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA17185; Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:50:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506242250.AA17185@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: nc@ai.net (Network Coordinator) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 16:50:45 MDT Cc: davidg@Root.COM, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Network Coordinator" at Jun 24, 95 04:39:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Second question, and related. Even if an software based router has to > wait for an entire packet frame to come in before routing it, that > strikes me only as a latency problem, and not a thruput problem, Depends on whether another frame is allowed to present until after the incoming frame has been processed. The amount of data you can recieve in the latency period on all your interfaces (up to your routing capacity -- the real limiting factor) dictates the amount of memory you need for buffering. And the more of that you have, the more DRAM refresh cycles you'll need, and the lower your routing capacity. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:36:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA29783 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:36:40 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA29777 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:36:39 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA21707 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:35:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:35:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199506242335.TAA21707@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk R. Grimes writes.... >We need to get that routing performance into the 50MB/sec range and we are >not even close. (I seem to recall about 20MB/sec, but am not sure right >now, too many numbers floating around in my head). > > This is ridiculous. FreeBSD is an operating system, for pete's sake, not a local routing product. If you want 50mbs take a snapshop of the op/sys and customize it, but please, please don't adulterate the whole op/sys to get some questionable functionality. If you need that kind of throughput find yourself some nice multi-port ethernet cards and write yourself a driver, 'cause thats the only way you're going to do it without trashing lots of other stuff. dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 16:39:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA29871 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:39:11 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA29862 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 16:39:09 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA21743; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:37:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:37:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199506242337.TAA21743@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: davidg@root.com Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney yells.... >> >In dedicated router hardware they use the trick of interrupting >> >the CPU after N bytes have been recieved (N is programmable) so >> >they can actually decide what to do with the packet before it is >> >even completly received. >> > >> > >> This is not necessary to get good throughput, although it wouldn't hurt. You >> can still get 5mbs without this, which is plenty. > >Not when you start looking at 100MB/sec ethernet it isn't!!! Sure 400 to 500 >KByte/sec for 10MB/sec ethernet routing is just fine by me, but as soon as >I reproduce the numbers for 100MB/sec routing you will see what I mean >about we need to make some improvements. > >We need to get that routing performance into the 50MB/sec range and we are >not even close. (I seem to recall about 20MB/sec, but am not sure right >now, too many numbers floating around in my head). > Of course, 5mbs is the upper limit with full frame forwarding on 10mbs media, its 50mbs (1/2 of the bandwidth) with 100mbs media. You ought to know that. Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:04:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA00841 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:04:06 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA00801 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:03:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA03337; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:04:09 +0100 To: obrien@Sea.Legent.com (David O'Brien) cc: install-geeks@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User Interface Software In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:12:44 EDT." <9506242312.AA14475@seaquest> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3334.804038648.1@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:04:08 +0100 Message-ID: <3335.804038648@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > YUCK!!! If I wanted to install from a pretty GUI that wrapped me in a > stright jacket I'd install OS/2 Warp or Micro$oft-NT. To paraphrase a common phrase from the 60's: "3 billion Chinese can't be wrong." Now I just need to remember what that phrase was in reference to.. :-) Anyway, I'm not proposing a strait-jacketed Microsoft clone for the New Sysconfig, just something a little better than what we have now. > Sun put so much working in the new GUI install of Solaris 2.4 with little > to no added functionality. In fact, I'd rather install SunOS 4.1.3 anyday. > Sun's GUI has to many (are you sure?) prompts and gets in the way by > popping up too many cute windows. This is not an argument against GUIs, IMHO, just the misuse of GUIs. > Installation programs that need mice? JUST SAY NO. I never suggested going that far, no. But you're forgetting something crucial here: It's not just an installation tool. It's also supposed to be something you can use AFTER the system is installed as a general system management tool. Let me see if I can put the history of FreeBSD installation in some perspective (which may be of enough general interest that I've decided to include -hackers in this): 1.x: Used a shell script. Some purists still maintain that this was the ultimate installation tool (terse, cryptic, dangerous) but I'm not inclined to agree. 2.0: First "menu based" installer. Asked very few questions and didn't offer many hooks for going back, but it was something.. Code Name: sysinstall. 2.0.5: Second menu based installer. Somewhat deficient in the fdisk/labelling department still, but asked many more questions and allowed one to configure quite a few more system config parameters without having to know which files to edit. Code Name: Son of Sysinstall. 2.0.5-950622-SNAP: Slightly improved 2.0.5 installer, allows the user to access more of the underlying functionality directly AND have a more "lead me by the nose, please" installation option as well. Heading more in the direction of a true expert/novice split as an install-time option. 2.1: Last release to use Son of Sysinstall. This version will be fully internationalized, allow even more access to features as well as a "templated install" (you'll be able to tweak the floppy for use in academic clusters and other specialized situatiosn) and true "express" installation where the thing will attempt to install the system from start to finish without specifying anything. The experts will also find all kinds of nifty low-level editing options for really getting down to the bare metal. This will also feature a lot more menus for quick access to various system configuration parameters and generally be the FIRST in the sysinstall line to truly have some genuine usefulness in the system management area. Suggestions for features now being cheerfully accepted! 2.2: First release to use "sysconfig", a totally new hybrid installation/configuration tool that will use text menus and/or SVGA graphics when run at installation time and X11 widgets (of some sort) when run under X11. The clear goal of this effort is to fill the roll that "sysadmsh" does under SCO. You'll get all the installation whizzies with reduced functionality when running on a VGA or serial line and everything in full technicolor when running later, under X or a proper SVGA display. 2.3: Sysconfig with all the bugs removed and the rough edges filed off. You should take the "future goals" section of this with a grain of salt, of course, but that's basically where we want to go. > Personally I really like the current text based install program. Granted > there are places I think it could be improved, but these short commings > would still be with with a GUI slapped on it. Yes and no. Being on the design side of this, I can tell you that a LOT of things (and the network interface configuration springs immediately to mind) would have been quite a bit better if I'd had a proper scrolling list, more flexible "buttons" at the bottoms of menus, more rational keyboard accellerators, etc. There are some things that you simply hit a wall with when you're trying to present with the crude text tools we have now, and I'd also rather focus on providing functionality than in spending literally weeks fighting with the presentation of the information I'd like the user to be able to work with. Doing everything by hand, especially with curses, really puts a significant burden on the interface designer and I'm not particularly keen to go through all that again. So, we figured that since we have to have a better set of "widgets" than these anyway (libdialog is NOT my idea of the ideal interface paradigm) and while still facing the reality of serial and SVGA installation, we might as well build a toolkit that offers the _programmer_ a far nicer and higher-level interface that also abstracts away the limitations of text mode to the point where all the "GUI" objects will still be available, just not quite so nice for the user to work with. I think that's a limitation that everyone can deal with, and once the user is up and running X (if that's their decision) then they can get a much nicer interface to the whole thing. > To say the least! Show me something written in C++ (in an OOP) way that > didn't take up a lot of space. For such a small program does OOP really I'm no fan of C++, trust me, but I know that it's also not impossible to write compact C++ code. The failure of most C++ based GUI toolkits is that the programmers fall too much in love with abstraction and they bloat the whole thing out 9 ways to Sunday as they toss in feature after gratuitious feature. Since I'll be one of the designers of the new sysconfig toolkit AND one of its main "customers", I'll know just what NEEDS to go in and what doesn't. "Trust me." :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:09:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01057 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:09:48 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01051 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:09:43 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA14120; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:09:21 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506250009.RAA14120@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, hackers@freebsd.org, nc@ai.net In-Reply-To: <199506242146.HAA02005@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 25, 95 07:46:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1655 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >I would like to quantify that ``fairly small these days''. AMD DX2/66 CPU > >... > >So it looks like $280 vs $720. I would call that ``significant'' amount > > That's still small compared with total system cost. Not really, total system cost for a headless router box is adds only 1.44floppy $36, 500MB disk $248, NCR SCSI $72, case/power $70 or $426.00, for a total of $706 vs $1146. 62% is a hit any way you count the beans :-) > > >of money. Also since this is probably going to be highly memory speed > >dependent I suspect an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G (PCI) could route packets just > >about as fast as an ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 due to the fact that thier main memory > >speeds are *very* close. (Note the ASUS 486SP3G costs as much as the > > I think to have any chance of handling n * 100Mbps you would have to lock > all the code and data into a cache, preferably the CPU cache. This wouldn't > be easy in a general purpose system. Agreed. It would always be possible to build better routers using dedicated and carefull chossen hardware and custom software than any GP and OS based router. I don't think there is anyone who will argue with that. I was just trying to point out that David's statement about 486 vs Pentium being a ``fairly small'' amount of money these days is simple not true. I think I have good ground to stand on as a person who is making there very living selling PC hardware and deal with the price/performance trade off issue almost every day of the week. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:10:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01157 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:10:41 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01151 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:10:40 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id TAA27352 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:10:08 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506250010.TAA27352@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Rack-mounted PC's, anyone? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:10:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, ok, I know this isn't strictly *FreeBSD* related and I apologize.. :-) but I thought it might be of some interest to those folks who are doing similar things, and I'm not having much luck... sol.net is currently located in several hundred square feet of space (a nice expanse). By the end of summer, I forsee the very likely possibility of moving. I currently have equipment spread out all over the place; my new available machine room area will be about 7'x8' (yes 56 sq ft), and will house something on the order of a dozen PC's, workstations, and misc telecommunications equipment. It might be a bit cramped. :-) The telecom equipment, workstations, and some of the disks are already rack-mountable. I would like to rack mount all of the PC's, (currently six or seven) but need to find a cost effective solution. sol.net charges no fees and generates no revenue - support comes from a trickle of donations and my own pocket. The rack-mounted PC case solutions I have seen to date are in the $300-$400 range. (I don't need monitors. I don't need keyboards. I just need the #&^@# machines...) Does anyone have an inexpensive source for rack-mountable PC cases, and perhaps other rack oriented supplies? If it were just one or two machines I would not mind paying a couple hundred bucks, but the multiplier is a killer. :-) Thanks, ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:13:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01320 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:13:14 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01314 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:13:13 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id TAA27384; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:12:38 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506250012.TAA27384@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Calling all hackers - Milwaukee anyone? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: laufen@sol.med.ge.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Since I never received any replies, nor saw a copy of my message returned to me, I am resending this note. Our mail machine here at work has been having fits lately and probably ate the first one... ----------------- > OK I'll bite. Anyone in the Milwaukee area interested in > a FreeBSD users meeting contact me. I will put together the > list and try to find a suitable place and time. This was a subject of a little debate a few evenings ago, actually... Solaria Public Access UNIX and sol.net Network Services are the largest FreeBSD shop in the area, at least as far as I know of (although Jim Lowe has a bunch of Xterminals and might be able to beat me on a pure machine count). I am also in touch with a number of other FreeBSDites in the area, including at least one organization that I am working on FreeBSDizing. If there is any interest in a local mailing list, etc., the resources are available to provide it. I already host the local Linux mailing list (ironically on a FreeBSD based system) :-) All of this falls in very nicely with the original goal and philosophy behind Solaria - providing a place for the local UNIX hacks to get together and utilize shared resources. While Solaria itself is one of my legacy Sun boxes, I am maybe a week or two away from reopening Wye (486DX4/100, FreeBSD 2.0.5R) for regular users. As for meetings, etc., there has already been some interest expressed locally... Anyone interested in any of this, lemme know and I could set up a local mailing list. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:15:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01522 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:15:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01516 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:15:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA14146; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:15:29 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506250015.RAA14146@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506242258.PAA00155@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 24, 95 03:58:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1673 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... > I understand your point - that perhaps pc-route could be used as some sort > of best-case of which to compare to. My point is that I already know that PC > (PCI) hardware is capable of moving packets at full speed. Hopefully when some > of us gets some time, we'll look into improving the bootlenecks. I'm actually > surprised to hear Rod's 400KB/sec benchmark. I was getting better than that > a year ago with a pair of 486/33 boxes w/ISA ethernet cards. If that's all we > can do these days with Pentiums and PCI, then something is very wrong. > The 400KB/sec benchmark is the number from a year ago with the 486/66 boxes and ISA ethernet controllers. This is *not* what I am seeing today, and if I had my house all put back togeather they way it is suppose to be I would produce the new numbers using PCI and 10/100MB/sec cards. Give me another week and I should have the 4 card router back on line and in full swing use so I can produce the numbers using the current state of affairs. I do know that when I was running this at the other place I could route somewhere around 20MBit/sec on 100MBit/sec ether as a minimum for real world usage types of things (ie, routing NFS). I will be happy when we can route at NFS at the 50MBit/sec rate, as then NFS performance through my router will be as good as local disk performance. For that matter, once things are back togeather here, David, you are welcome to drop by and do some testing and looking with me so that the problem areas can be identified. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:29:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01974 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:29:39 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01967 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:29:36 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA14210; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:29:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506250029.RAA14210@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506242128.HAA01653@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 25, 95 07:28:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 854 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >Second question, and related. Even if an software based router has to > >wait for an entire packet frame to come in before routing it, that > >strikes me only as a latency problem, and not a thruput problem, > >especially on cards that can multitask and have builtin buffers [32k in > >the SMC 100mbps I believe] Couldn't the driver be written to grab the > > This seems rather small. 4K buffers cause problems at 10Mbps so I > suppose 40K would cause problems at 100Mbps. The SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100 is a bus master device with no memory on it at all. It uses host memory for packet buffers and for all practical purposes this can be as much memory as you want to through at it! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 17:33:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02133 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:33:36 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02125 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:33:35 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01321; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:33:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00202; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:33:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506250033.RAA00202@corbin.Root.COM> To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 19:37:59 EDT." <199506242337.TAA21743@mail.htp.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:33:57 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>We need to get that routing performance into the 50MB/sec range and we are >>not even close. (I seem to recall about 20MB/sec, but am not sure right >>now, too many numbers floating around in my head). >> >Of course, 5mbs is the upper limit with full frame forwarding on 10mbs >media, its 50mbs (1/2 of the bandwidth) with 100mbs media. You ought to know >that. You must be talking about forwarding over the same physical network. I've been assuming that we've been talking about routing between two different physical nets - in which case any streaming protocol (like TCP) will allow you to get full 10Mbits/sec (or 100Mbits/sec) over the ethers. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 18:59:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03581 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:59:32 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03575 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:59:30 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00222 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:59:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199506250159.SAA00222@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: scsi disk bad block Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:59:26 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I can't fsck one of my disks because it has a bad block . Any ideas on how to enable bad block relocation for the disk. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 19:37:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04893 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:37:17 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04882 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:37:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11108; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:37:36 +0100 To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scsi disk bad block In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:59:26 PDT." <199506250159.SAA00222@rah.star-gate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11105.804047855.1@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:37:35 +0100 Message-ID: <11106.804047855@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I can't fsck one of my disks because it has a bad block . > > Any ideas on how to enable bad block relocation for the disk. I've found that doing a "verify" using the controller diags generally does this in a fairly non-destructive manner. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 21:06:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06870 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:06:47 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06863 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:06:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id NAA11470; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:00:37 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.11/6.4J.5) id MAA00767; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:48:34 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199506250348.MAA00767@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:48:34 +0900 (JST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506241953.UAA11269@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 08:53:21 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1624 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > PPP ON whisker> close > write: No such process > write: No such process > write: No such process > > It doesn't seem to be any kind of fatal error, and the line is definitely > closed properly so I'm not really _complaining_, I'm just curious. > Any of the ijppp hackers out there care to comment? Yes. we are clean up code that relating logging facility.... Sorry bother you but you don't need to get it as serious ;-) > Oh, and on the subject of ppp dialing up and staying up for hours, yes > I've set a timeout and yes I've put in a filter for dialing that blocks > pings and yes I've set `hosts' before `bind' in my /etc/host.conf so > that simple DNS queries don't trigger it. And it still does it.. :-) Just one question for you. Are you running the named even you did set up above order for resolving hostname ? I can't comment out as right things (tm) unless check out your dns set up, but sounds like your named try to get a information from primary one when local cache expired or re-starting... Try enable bpf and with "tcpdump -i tun0" > Neither of these things are show-stoppers, and I still love ij-ppp. > It's great! I'd just like to make it a little better, perhaps.. :) Addition I just see a iij-ppp 0.93 (not ij-ppp) porting to linux on fj.os.linux but Our iij-ppp is based 0.94 beta that it's quite enhanced for high performance, functionality and of courcse stability ;-) > Jordan Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 21:06:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06894 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:06:59 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06887 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:06:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id NAA11471; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:00:39 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.11/6.4J.5) id MAA00799; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:35 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199506250353.MAA00799@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:34 +0900 (JST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506242110.OAA05020@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 24, 95 02:10:58 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 801 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > First off, I'm no longer using ijppp in "auto" mode as it has this > > tendency to want to dial and leave the link logged in for hours at a time, > > Before I switch to ISDN, about 1.5 months ago, iijppp was working in auto > mode. If there is a bug with iijppp not disconnecting an idle line > when operating in "auto" then it should be fixed. Original iijppp has this fatal bug and befor bring it to -current (this year March), I did fix it. Currently I also one of user iijpp on FreeBSD -current and 1.1.5.1 with auto mode through ISDN TA every day. it's never occured ;-) > Amancio Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 21:16:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07392 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:16:45 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07383 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:16:44 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506250416.VAA07383@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: amurai@spec.co.jp Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506250348.MAA00767@tama.spec.co.jp> from "Atsushi Murai" at Jun 25, 95 12:48:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 539 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Addition I just see a iij-ppp 0.93 (not ij-ppp) porting to linux on > fj.os.linux but Our iij-ppp is based 0.94 beta that it's quite > enhanced for high performance, functionality and of courcse stability ;-) And while we're at it: How hard would it be to add SLIP ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 21:25:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07707 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:25:01 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07693 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:24:58 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29929; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:24:55 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA26485 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:24:54 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA11420 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:43:21 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506242243.AAA11420@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:43:21 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <22783.804029757@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 10:35:57 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 652 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > P.S. Yes, I know one can do clever things with dial-on-demand but I'm > not interested. I want a *dedicated* line that can be used by either > party in either direction at any time, and for any amount of time, > without giving me a rude shock at the end of the month. Can you guys exclude the .de domain when dicussing such weird things like ``flat phone rates'', ``dedicated lines without... shock'' etc.? Thank'ya. (Another frustrated dependant of the Deutsche Telekom) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 21:25:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07734 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:25:06 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07695 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 21:24:59 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29937; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:24:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA26491 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:24:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA11542 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:04:46 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506242304.BAA11542@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:04:45 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <20451.804027485@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 09:58:05 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 865 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Look in FreeBSD.cf : > > #define CcCmd cc > > #define CppCmd /usr/libexec/cpp > > Thanks, I discovered it already (and have a make World going right now). > I was just confused by where Joerg said it was! :) I didn't say it was there. I've only said *I*'ve put it there. :-) Since most of the X11 Imake macros are protected by #ifndef's, it's quite equal where you put it -- i prefer the xf86site.def for all of this, since i need to maintain only a single file. (I'm still also a beta-tester for XFree86[tm], and hence have to live with frequent changes in the various config files. So it's easier for me to concentrate on a single file only.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 22:12:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA09064 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:12:46 -0700 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (root@hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA09058 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:12:41 -0700 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA16763 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:12:35 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA07090; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:12:34 +0300 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:12:34 +0300 Message-Id: <199506250512.IAA07090@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: davidg@root.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of 25 Jun 1995 02:02:12 +0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk routing solution. ...and like I said, despite the hipe, I found pc-route to be rather aweful in terms of performance (I was using it with a 386 at the time). Not if one is trying to find a cheap router for a SLIP/PPP line. A PCroute in a 8088 at 4.77Mhz did 38.4k with 16450's, but FreeBSD in a 80386 at 16MHz fails to keep up with 16550's at the same speed. It could be a tuning problem, though, I haven't had time to try earlier trigger for UARTS or larger serial buffers. -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 22:34:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA09427 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:34:54 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA09420 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:34:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA11035; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:36:51 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506250536.HAA11035@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:36:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506241723.DAA28701@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 25, 95 03:23:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 269 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The fpmask() call is certainly required. The only uncertainty is whether > tcl already has it. NetBSD doesn't need it since all FPU exceptions are > masked by default in NetBSD. It is not in tcl (at least, tcl7.4 coredumps with a FP exception without it). Luigi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:02:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10270 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:02:57 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA10259 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:02:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02178; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:02:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199506250602.AAA02178@rover.village.org> To: Jeff Aitken Subject: Re: Kernel configuration/compilation tool Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:48:27 EDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:02:03 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : PS. I seem to recall there being some chatter on -hackers about this a : long time ago (several months at least, perhaps more like a year), and : someone had a really good idea about it. Unfortunately, I've not been : able to locate the message I seem to remember, so if anyone can turn it : up, please forward it to me. Thanks. There was, a long long time ago, a SunOS kernel config tool written in OI that I was wanting to use for FreeBSD. However, that idea died a long time ago with my hopes of getting OI released on FreeBSD. Also, the tool need a lot of work because it made tons of assumptions about the config file, where directories were, etc that were not quite right for FreeBSD and porting it would have taken a lot of effort. I believe that I mentioned this a long time ago on -hackers, by my memory isn't what it used to be... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:05:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10415 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:29 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA10407 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:05:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02205; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:04:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199506250604.AAA02205@rover.village.org> To: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:31:38 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:04:34 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : /usr/bin/mkisofs So can it be used on media that is smaller than a cdrom in size? Say, an IOMEGA 100M floppy? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:08:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10587 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:08:08 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10578 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:08:07 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506250608.XAA10578@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506250604.AAA02205@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 25, 95 00:04:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 533 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > : /usr/bin/mkisofs > > So can it be used on media that is smaller than a cdrom in size? Say, > an IOMEGA 100M floppy? Any size. CDROM's are not fixed size. They have a fixed Max size, but otherwise: any size goes. Think about the probe-message for a cdrom. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:21:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA11397 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:21:52 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA11391 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:21:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02309; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:21:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199506250621.AAA02309@rover.village.org> To: Network Coordinator Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:24:47 EDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:21:32 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Rather like the way make works for a source tree in general. Anyway, : count me in for work on the update part of the project. I have a bunch of ideas floating around in my head that I need to find a free minute or 10 and jot down on paper/disk. It should be possible to grab the entire distribution, put it on a large floppy and do an upgrade. However, there are a lot of things that get in the way of doing this just now. Some are easy: New binaries and Libraries. You copy the new ones in, reboot, and you are set. Ditto the kernel, kinda. The format of the kernel config file sometimes changes, and you need to be able to translate old config files to the new ones. This is usually easy. Then you get into the thornier issues: /etc/rc* and /etc/netstart. >From time to time, things need to be added to these file, and you want to preserve, as much as possible, the configuration that has been made here. To sum up some very rough ideas: 1) You need to replace some binaries 2) You need to patch some files 3) You need to convert other files This doesn't address the "dual boot" issue. In that case, you'd want to be able to say "Install the system onto that other device, and use my current system as a template." It also doesn't address the "ooop, that was stupid, I want to go back now." either. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:23:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA11529 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:23:46 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA11523 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:23:44 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16975(2)>; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:23:05 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:22:56 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 95 14:35:57 PDT." <22783.804029757@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:22:48 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun24.232256pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <22783.804029757@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> you write: >You keep talking about that ISDN line, but my own queries to Pacific >Bell have shown ISDN to be entirely unsuitable for dedicated service. If both ends of the connection are lucky enough to be in the same CO, then you can do it. Get business lines and make them a Centrex -- then your calls between the two lines are "Intercom" -- free. Otherwise, you pay per minute. [I pay per minute. Dial on demand is only somewhat bearable... I often keep a SLIP line up for slow stuff like mail checking...] Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:25:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA11650 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:25:48 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA11644 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:25:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02326; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:25:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199506250625.AAA02326@rover.village.org> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard), peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:35:44 MDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:25:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : So *totally* divorce the configuration information from the *use* of the : configuration. : : Then you can overwrite all the rc.* scripts or whatever to your heart's : content. Things are close now, but need someone who is rather "retentive" to go through and separate it out. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:30:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA11918 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:30:40 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA11912 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:30:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02379; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:30:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199506250630.AAA02379@rover.village.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:08:06 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:30:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Any size. CDROM's are not fixed size. They have a fixed Max size, but : otherwise: any size goes. Good. I hoped that the 600Mish limit wasn't wired into the mkisofs program. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 24 23:39:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA12230 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:39:37 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA12224 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:39:36 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA11883 ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:39:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:04:34 MDT." <199506250604.AAA02205@rover.village.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 23:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: <11881.804062366@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506250604.AAA02205@rover.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: >So can it be used on media that is smaller than a cdrom in size? Say, >an IOMEGA 100M floppy? mkisofs will just generate the ISO 9660 compliant image. It will create an image as large as is needed to hold the requested data. So, yes, it will work, but I'm not sure how you'd write it out. We have to ftp the images across to a DOS box and burn them with a program called `mastercd' which writes them to the device. Gary