From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 29 23:31:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA10091 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10073 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA21009; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:30:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , ftp@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com/wcarchive.configuration: > > One 150Mhz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") > 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16mb x 36bit x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) How do four 16MB SIMM's make 256MB of RAM? Or are those really 64MB SIMM's (16M*36 bits)? Just curious. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 29 23:41:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA11556 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11547 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA02116; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:41:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199601300741.XAA02116@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , ftp@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:30:48 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:41:24 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>From ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com/wcarchive.configuration: >> >> One 150Mhz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") >> 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16mb x 36bit x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) > > How do four 16MB SIMM's make 256MB of RAM? Or are those really >64MB SIMM's (16M*36 bits)? Just curious. :) It's a lower-case "b"...meaning 'bits'...and 36bits wide. 64MBytes/SIMM. -DG David Greenman Core Team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 29 23:51:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12356 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12351 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA02145; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:51:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199601300751.XAA02145@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , ftp@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:41:24 PST." <199601300741.XAA02116@Root.COM> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:51:27 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>From ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com/wcarchive.configuration: >>> >>> One 150Mhz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") >>> 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16mb x 36bit x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) >> >> How do four 16MB SIMM's make 256MB of RAM? Or are those really >>64MB SIMM's (16M*36 bits)? Just curious. :) > > It's a lower-case "b"...meaning 'bits'...and 36bits wide. 64MBytes/SIMM. Okay, I just changed it to: 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16M x 36bits x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) ...happy now? :-) -DG David Greenman Core Team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 01:58:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA25676 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25658 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24210; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:57:07 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199601300957.LAA24210@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:57:07 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > >From ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com/wcarchive.configuration: > > > > One 150Mhz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") > > 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16mb x 36bit x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) > > How do four 16MB SIMM's make 256MB of RAM? Or are those really > 64MB SIMM's (16M*36 bits)? Just curious. :) Those are 64MByte simms. They are 16MBit by 36 bits - ie 4 bytes + 4bits of parity wide. Expensive suckers in South Africa :-( :-( :-( BTW - Mb = Megabit, MB = Megabyte - the above mb means millibit. Hmm... 16 x 36 x 4 = 2304 millibits x 1/1000 = 2.304 bits. You guys are running WC's ftp server in just over 2 bits of ram! This is a FreeBSD enhancement I would like to see in current. What are you using? Quantum states of the atom? ;-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 16:35:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24104 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24088 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA03534 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jan 96 16:34:02 PST Message-Id: <9601310034.AA03534@antares.aero.org> To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:57:07 PST." <199601300957.LAA24210@grumble.grondar.za> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:34:01 -0800 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > You guys are running WC's ftp server in just over 2 bits of ram! > This is a FreeBSD enhancement I would like to see in current. What > are you using? Quantum states of the atom? No, just bits, two of them, but very very fast. Sort of like one-bit CD players. You waggle them really quickly to make up for the fact that you can only afford two bits of that speed. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 20:26:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11397 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11377 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <20805-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:25:58 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id OAA08429 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:31:57 +1000 Received: by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-0.3) id OAA22647; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:25:26 +1000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:25:26 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199601310425.OAA22647@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray typed: >BTW - Mb = Megabit, MB = Megabyte - the above mb means millibit. I've always been bothered by this megabit/megabyte confusion. By what authority do you claim that b == bit and B == byte? In my younger days, no one was particularly interested in bits, and Mb meant megabyte. It's all this new fangled networking stuff that has brought bits back into the spotlight. Still, should I quibble over this when I can still buy cans of food marked 450gm. Gram metres must be useful for something, but not measuring food. :-) Stephen McKay, Apprentice Pedant to the Government. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 21:31:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA17951 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from zap.io.org (zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17932 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zap.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA04399; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:30:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:30:28 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: David Greenman cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , ftp@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199601300751.XAA02145@Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, David Greenman wrote: > > Okay, I just changed it to: > > 256MB of main memory (72pin, 16M x 36bits x 60nsec SIMMS X 4) > > ...happy now? :-) Well, technically you're not multiplying 16M*36 bits*60ns*4, because that would give you 145 gigabit-nanoseconds, whatever that is. "256 MB of main memory (4*16M*36-bit 60ns 72-pin ECC SIMM's)" would work. (or whatever) -----^^^ :) Sorry, a customer nitpicked a similar point with me on the phone today, and I'm still a wee bit ticked off at him. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 21:52:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19623 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19582 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <01954-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:51:57 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id OAA08847 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:55:50 +1000 Received: from localhost by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-0.3) id OAA22862; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:49:36 +1000 Message-Id: <199601310449.OAA22862@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Americanised/Americanized spelling Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:49:35 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've noted a recent wave of spelling fixes for code and documentation. This is a worthy cause that must not be very much fun for anyone. I applaud! However, some of the corrections are simply Americanising perfectly good English. For example, in sbin/reboot/boot_i386.8, initialisation has been changed to initialization. FreeBSD is an international effort. Shouldn't the original author's English dialect be respected? Which language are we really writing in? Stephen (bravely raising trivia instead of cutting code). From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 30 23:47:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA27282 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27271 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01866; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:10 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199601310745.JAA01866@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Stephen McKay cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:09 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Stephen McKay wrote: > Mark Murray typed: > >BTW - Mb = Megabit, MB = Megabyte - the above mb means millibit. > > I've always been bothered by this megabit/megabyte confusion. By what > authority do you claim that b == bit and B == byte? None whatsoever, except consistent usage in literature. I work for an ISP as a net engineer, and we distinguish between our pipes (measured in Mb/s) and our server memory/disk capacity (measured in MB or GB). > In my younger days, no one was particularly interested in bits, and Mb meant > megabyte. It's all this new fangled networking stuff that has brought bits > back into the spotlight. Dunno... I sorta remember 'b' always meaning bits and 'B' meaning bytes. At this stage I was reading British electronics magazines (Elektor and the like), and they are usually pretty good at sticking to standards. I have never actually _seen_ any document that stated with great authority that "this means 'bits' and that means 'bytes'". That was left either as an exercise for the reader, or was listed in one of those "jargon for the computing idiot" lists that came out every now-and-then. (hmm.. thinks - (just had a look) there is no reference in the Jargon File) > Still, should I quibble over this when I can still buy cans of food marked > 450gm. Gram metres must be useful for something, but not measuring food. :-) I once bought pills (Aspirin I think) that claimed to have a ton of the stuff per tablet (1Mg) :-). M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 31 01:53:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA06281 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06024 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA11613 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:51:28 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA10112 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:51:25 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA20213 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:28:07 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601310928.KAA20213@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Americanised/Americanized spelling To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:28:07 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199601310449.OAA22862@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen McKay" at Jan 31, 96 02:49:35 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Stephen McKay wrote: > > FreeBSD is an international effort. Shouldn't the original author's English > dialect be respected? Which language are we really writing in? Well, perhaps you should have added another Cc? I'm not sure whether Mike is listening here... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 31 02:22:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08765 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 02:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08740 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 02:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA12994 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:25 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA10257 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA20475 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:52:04 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601310952.KAA20475@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Memory configuration of ftp.cdrom.com To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:52:04 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199601310425.OAA22647@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen McKay" at Jan 31, 96 02:25:26 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Stephen McKay wrote: > > Still, should I quibble over this when I can still buy cans of food marked > 450gm. Gram metres must be useful for something, but not measuring food. :-) That's about the same as measuring times in millisiemens (mS, unit of electrical conductivity). :-) Oh, let's discuss us things like "mil" (1/1000 inch) now... :-)) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 31 06:42:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA04424 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dtihost.datatrek.com (dtihost.datatrek.com [204.31.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA04419 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcrutcher.datatrek.com (gcrutcher.datatrek.com [204.33.82.254]) by dtihost.datatrek.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA20431 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:39:51 -0800 Received: by gcrutcher.datatrek.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEFA6.FFAAC060@gcrutcher.datatrek.com>; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:40:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01BAEFA6.FFAAC060@gcrutcher.datatrek.com> From: Gary Crutcher To: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:40:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 31 10:21:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA24551 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24542 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24340; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:21:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:21:24 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960131121626.264fb978@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Stephen McKay , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: Americanised/Americanized spelling Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk At 02:49 PM 1/31/96 +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: [snip] > >However, some of the corrections are simply Americanising perfectly good >English. For example, in sbin/reboot/boot_i386.8, initialisation has been >changed to initialization. > >FreeBSD is an international effort. Shouldn't the original author's English >dialect be respected? Which language are we really writing in? Stephen: A few points: Sure, it's an international effort, but it is also FreeB[erkeley]SD and Berkeley is in California, which is in America. We would like it to not be, but that is a different thread. ;) Second, it is AmericaniZing. :) Third, it is not Americanizing, it is (phonetically) "Ah-mur-ah-kin-izing" (for those not familiar with that word, it is the deep-south good-ole-boy (country bumpkin) version of America). Seriously, when I see "..ising", I just thing "Oh, that person is from England", mentally change the spelling and keep going. It's not a big deal..... Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 31 13:52:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14872 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14856 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA08257; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:52:40 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA21718; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:52:40 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA22641; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:49:50 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601312149.WAA22641@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/vm swap_pager.h vm_map.h vm_page.h To: mpp@mpp.minn.net (Mike Pritchard) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:49:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, mpp@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199601311744.LAA00919@mpp.minn.net> from "Mike Pritchard" at Jan 31, 96 11:44:43 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mike Pritchard wrote: > > I guess that particular Perl script got moved to a P6 :-) > > You mean I could have gotten a Perl script to do all that? > Now you tell me! :-) I suspect this Perl script was running ispell over all man pages, plus all comments inside C sources, and then merged the results. Well, i suppose there's also an Emacs running at this site, with Eliza (``doctor'') loaded, that has been sending the reply above. :^) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 06:54:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00910 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA00609 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id OAA15169; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:21:44 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA29514; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:21:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id NAA00639; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:53:29 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602011253.NAA00639@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:53:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602010825.JAA28726@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Feb 1, 96 09:25:03 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > I'm almost a hacker too and I'm almost 49 :-) Well, but you certainly felt that we all have been a bit surprised, right? :-) > And I'm grandfather since Dec 25th,1995. Herzlichen Glückwunsch! ... > it's a girl, named Stella Laura. Nice name. ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 09:19:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA11310 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11300 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA20101; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:20:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:20:54 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages In-Reply-To: <199602010508.WAA21459@rover.village.org> References: <199602010508.WAA21459@rover.village.org> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Warner Losh writes: > : Nice to see all these old fossils still twitching :-) 39 here. Interesting > : to find out that the average FreeBSD'er age might be more than that other > : OS. > > Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 12:32:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27096 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27087 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA25894; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:30:23 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199602012030.PAA25894@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:30:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: imp@village.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 1, 96 10:20:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > : Nice to see all these old fossils still twitching :-) 39 here. Interesting > > : to find out that the average FreeBSD'er age might be more than that other > > : OS. > > > > Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > > Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) Yeah, well I just turned 26 Jan. 23... 8,) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 16:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15166 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15157 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA29162; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:35:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Age Counter (was Re: Hackers ages) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Okay, preliminary results from the Age Counter. Assessing the straight data, accumulated over a roughly 24-hour period, we get: sample: 40 mean: 341.398 This astonishing result is (mostly) due to John "Methuselah" Birrell, who is still poking along at the ripe old age of 12345. If we make like a tobacco industry researcher and ignore his datapoint, we get a more reasonable sample: 39 mean: 33.6136 If we assume that Mr. Birrell mis-typed his actual age (12), we get sample: 40 mean: 33.0733 I'll throw a list of participants as well as some nifty analyses on my homepage later on tonight. First, I must sup (as in eat). Can I make a GIF with GNUplot? Now, for the other side... How old is Linus? 26? That's one point; so far we've got 'em beat! Marc. -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada in one year were laid end to end across the Sahara Desert, the smell would be absolutely awful. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 17:28:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA20096 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from intele.net (quervo.intele.net [204.118.149.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20088 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (wes@localhost) by intele.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12015 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:28:04 -0700 From: Barnacle Wes Message-Id: <199602020128.SAA12015@intele.net> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:28:03 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm 35 this year -- old enough to run for President (of USA). Maybe I should. I could run on the "Hackers" party, and promise to make FreeBSD the "official operating system of the USA." What date would we pick for "FreeBSD Day?" -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 18:12:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22584 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22579 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07850; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:12:34 -0800 (PST) To: Barnacle Wes cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 1996 18:28:03 MST." <199602020128.SAA12015@intele.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 18:12:34 -0800 Message-ID: <7848.823227154@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > to make FreeBSD the "official operating system of the USA." What > date would we pick for "FreeBSD Day?" Every day is FreeBSD day. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 18:54:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24849 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24844 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15914(13)>; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:53:28 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177479>; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:53:24 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Nate Williams cc: Warner Losh , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 1996 09:20:54 PST." <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:53:11 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb1.185324pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate wrote: >Warner Losh writes: >> Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > >Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) I guess I shouldn't even dare to poke my head up, being only 24. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 1 21:18:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13413 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hornet.netac.co.za (hornet.netac.co.za [196.3.237.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13383 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tony@localhost) by hornet.netac.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA19062 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:20:15 +0200 From: Tony Harverson Message-Id: <199602020520.HAA19062@hornet.netac.co.za> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:20:15 +0200 (SAT) In-Reply-To: <96Feb1.185324pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at Feb 1, 96 06:53:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In message <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate wrote: > >Warner Losh writes: > >> Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > > > >Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) > > I guess I shouldn't even dare to poke my head up, being only 24. eeeeke ! and here I thought some of the project would be close to me age-wise... 19 - beat that if you can :) Tony -- <+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+> || Tony Harverson | Go not softly into that gentle MS Night, || || Unix Admin | Rage, Rage against the dying of the UNIX Light || || Internet Support |+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+|| || Person | Since when was Windows an *operating* System ? || <+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+> From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 09:03:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00635 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00571 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (root@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA00448 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:58:12 -0800 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17808; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:50:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:50:37 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: Bill Fenner cc: Nate Williams , Warner Losh , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages In-Reply-To: <96Feb1.185324pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Bill Fenner wrote: > In message <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate wrote: > >Warner Losh writes: > >> Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > > > >Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) > > I guess I shouldn't even dare to poke my head up, being only 24. I thought I was one of the younger people (28), but I'm clearly beat... Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 09:03:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00681 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00636 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA00442 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:58:05 -0800 Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA24646; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:01:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:01:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199602021401.JAA24646@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: Willows" (Feb 1, 6:10pm) from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Willows Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, dglo@SSEC.WISC.EDU, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } Subject: Re: Willows } > For that, we } > need people who've sent in their software license form (in all the } > *BSD camps) to talk to one another about whatever piece of the puzzle } > they're working on. } > } > So, anyone besides Dave and myself so far? } I'd be more than interested in helping out, but I'm afraid I may not be a great help. I know very little about kernel internals (compaired to you guys) and would be little help in the LDT arena. If you're game, I am. }-- End of excerpt -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 09:15:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03147 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03139 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from crissy.gemis.ge.com ([3.29.7.57]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA29270; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:15:05 -0500 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by crissy.gemis.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA08712; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:01:21 -0500 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28224; Fri, 2 Feb 96 12:14:57 EST Received: (from steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.7.2/8.6.11) id MAA03478; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:14:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen F. Combs" Reply-To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com To: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Cc: Terry Lambert , jkh@time.cdrom.com, dglo@SSEC.WISC.EDU, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Willows In-Reply-To: <199602021401.JAA24646@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got the source, but no time to work on it right now. I'd like to continue to hear what's happening [with the intent of helping as soon as a coupla projects are off the table]. Steve C. On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:01:59 -0500 > From: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu > To: Terry Lambert > Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, dglo@SSEC.WISC.EDU, > msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Willows > > } Subject: Re: Willows > } > For that, we > } > need people who've sent in their software license form (in all the > } > *BSD camps) to talk to one another about whatever piece of the puzzle > } > they're working on. > } > > } > So, anyone besides Dave and myself so far? > } > > I'd be more than interested in helping out, but I'm afraid I > may not be a great help. I know very little about kernel internals > (compaired to you guys) and would be little help in the LDT arena. > If you're game, I am. > > }-- End of excerpt > > > -- > Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration > 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & > Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming > ---- Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM 1501 Roanoke Blvd Home Voice: 540.389.9524 Salem, VA 24153 (not reliable after 9:30pm, 'cuz 'tis my link) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 12:33:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21631 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21610 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08409; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:33:13 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199602022033.WAA08409@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Willows Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 22:33:13 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > For that, we > > need people who've sent in their software license form (in all the > > *BSD camps) to talk to one another about whatever piece of the puzzle > > they're working on. > > > > So, anyone besides Dave and myself so far? Count me In. I have little time to code, but I can track bugs and test. Pass me patches and I'll do what I can. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 13:45:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA28537 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28518 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA27234 ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:45:34 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA06116 ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:45:27 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id WAA24064; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:39:59 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602022139.WAA24064@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:39:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: imp@village.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at "Feb 1, 96 10:20:54 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1586 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL3 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Nate Williams said: > > Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > > Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) I'll turn 29 at the end of May :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Jan 14 20:23:45 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 2 23:54:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05831 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05826 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11414; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:53:42 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199602030753.JAA11414@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ollivier Robert cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 09:53:41 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Nate Williams said: > > > Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) > > > > Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) > > I'll turn 29 at the end of May :-) I seem to be right in the median - 34. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 01:58:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16385 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16376 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA17326 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:59:37 +0800 Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: 3 Feb 96 09:57:17 GMT From: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net>, <96Feb1.185324pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Subject: Re: Hackers ages Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) writes: >In message <199602011720.KAA20101@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate wrote: >>Warner Losh writes: >>> Careful, at 29 I might pull the curve down :-) >> >>Phew, I thought I was the only 'young fart' around here at 28. :) >I guess I shouldn't even dare to poke my head up, being only 24. > Bill Whew! :-) I was getting worried.. I'm 24 as well. Still, I see we have a 19 as well. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 02:36:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18878 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 02:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nol.net (zac@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18872 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 02:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by nol.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA22042; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:36:04 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:36:04 -0600 From: zac@nol.net (Doug Swarin) Message-Id: <199602031036.EAA22042@nol.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hackers ages Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I suppose I should be very worried then, seeing as I'm only 20 and have actually been working with freebsd for two years now (so I started when I was 18). Doug From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 07:34:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA05456 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 07:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05431 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id QAA03159 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:34:16 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA26612 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:34:16 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id QAA11368 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:12:39 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602031512.QAA11368@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:12:38 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Feb 3, 96 09:57:17 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Wemm wrote: > > Whew! :-) I was getting worried.. I'm 24 as well. Still, I see we have > a 19 as well. ...but this should make you the youngest member of -core, i guess. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 13:45:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03814 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03806 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25625; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:45:31 -0800 To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Age Counter (was Re: Hackers ages) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 1996 19:35:05 EST." Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 13:45:31 -0800 Message-ID: <25622.823383931@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This astonishing result is (mostly) due to John "Methuselah" Birrell, who > is still poking along at the ripe old age of 12345. If we make like a > tobacco industry researcher and ignore his datapoint, we get a more > reasonable Did we find out how old Bruce Evans is as a result of this survey? Most of the core team has been curious about this for a long time! The currently popular mental image is that of some retired computer science teacher living in the australian outback somewhere, but no one really knows! We've never met him, talked to him or seen a picture of him, and if Australia had a more active intelligence agency we'd probably suspect him of working for them! :-) > If we assume that Mr. Birrell mis-typed his actual age (12), we get > > sample: 40 mean: 33.0733 Maybe he meant 21? I think maybe it's safe to discard his sample completely.. :-) > homepage later on tonight. First, I must sup (as in eat). Can I make a > GIF with GNUplot? Of course! > Now, for the other side... How old is Linus? 26? That's one point; so > far we've got 'em beat! I believe he just turned 26. Haven't asked him though. I know that he just got his BS degree last week, that much is true! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 14:47:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08979 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08971 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA08722; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:46:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Age Counter (was Re: Hackers ages) In-Reply-To: <25622.823383931@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Did we find out how old Bruce Evans is as a result of this survey? He hasn't responded yet. Maybe he can be coerced? :) > Maybe he meant 21? I think maybe it's safe to discard his sample > completely.. :-) I did on the web page. :) > > Now, for the other side... How old is Linus? 26? That's one point; so > > far we've got 'em beat! > > I believe he just turned 26. Haven't asked him though. I know > that he just got his BS degree last week, that much is true! :-) This makes me feel a bit better. I won't be getting my BS until I'm 24... > Jordan Marc. -- "I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense." From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 16:35:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA13837 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13831 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11032 ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:35:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org From: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Hackers ages In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Feb 1996 16:12:38 +0100." <199602031512.QAA11368@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 16:35:16 -0800 Message-ID: <11030.823394116@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote in message ID <199602031512.QAA11368@uriah.heep.sax.de>: > As Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > Whew! :-) I was getting worried.. I'm 24 as well. Still, I see we have > > a 19 as well. > > ...but this should make you the youngest member of -core, i guess. :) Sigh. Suppose I should pipe up at this point. I'm 23 (24 in exactly two weeks from the day I write this message on) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 3 17:51:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17197 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17186 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id CAA15180 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 02:50:56 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id CAA04461 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 02:50:56 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id CAA14072 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 02:45:37 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602040145.CAA14072@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Hackers ages To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 02:45:37 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <11030.823394116@westhill.cdrom.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Feb 3, 96 04:35:16 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Palmer wrote: > > > ...but this should make you the youngest member of -core, i guess. :) > > Sigh. Suppose I should pipe up at this point. I'm 23 (24 in exactly > two weeks from the day I write this message on) :) Ok, so we know who's the youngest now, and we have a strong feeling about the oldest... though we don't know for sure. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)