From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 6 04:43:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA07232 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 1996 04:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA07227 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 04:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uGPEa-000wzhC; Mon, 6 May 96 05:17 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA831382900; Sun, 05 May 96 17:39:44 PST Date: Sun, 05 May 96 17:39:44 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9604068313.AA831382900@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Darek Misiak Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inteligent cards and PPP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Send me your rc.serial; I'll have a look. I needed to make minor changes to the code myself. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 6 04:50:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA07554 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 6 May 1996 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gryf.szc.ternet.pl ([194.181.135.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA07547 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 04:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (damis@localhost) by gryf.szc.ternet.pl (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04113; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:48:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:48:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Darek Misiak X-Sender: damis@gryf To: Brett Glass cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inteligent cards and PPP In-Reply-To: <9604068313.AA831382900@ccgate.infoworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 5 May 1996, Brett Glass wrote: > Send me your rc.serial; I'll have a look. I needed to make minor changes to > the code myself. > > You welcome : default() { # Reset everything changed by the other functions to initial defaults. for i in $* do comcontrol /dev/ttyd$i dtrwait 300 drainwait 0 comcontrol /dev/ttyA0$i dtrwait 300 drainwait 0 stty X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu Reply-To: Sujal Patel To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ISA Plug-n-Play Support Update Available Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have made a snapshot of my work on ISA Plug-n-Play support available at: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/incoming/ISA_PnP.May5.tar.gz MD5 (ISA_PnP.May5.tar.gz) = d9336876e43e6e22eae4ad1349a5aa72 This is ALPHA quality code but is known to work on the following devices: SoundBlaster 16 PnP Supra PnP modems SMC EtherEz GUS Ultrasound PnP (Requires special init code, talk to Amancio) The code should be complete enough to support 99% of devices that function with current FreeBSD drivers (i.e. only need the Plug-n-Play support). If your motherboard supports PnP devices, then you don't need this code (but this driver is useful to better control your device's configuration) The only caveat is that you'll need to manually configure the device (IRQ/DMA/Port/etc.). Work is being done for auto-configuration/better configuration and will be integrated into -current in the upcoming months. The README in the tar will explain everything else. The kernel patch is relative to -current, so -stable users will probably have to make some trivial changes. Let me know if this stuff works on any more devices or if you have any problems. Thanks to Amancio Hasty, John Polstra, Louie Mamakos, and others for feedback and bug fixes. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 02:23:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27418 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 02:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA27412 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 02:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uGjXc-000wyzC; Tue, 7 May 96 02:58 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA831460894; Mon, 06 May 96 10:16:59 PST Date: Mon, 06 May 96 10:16:59 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9604078314.AA831460894@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Darek Misiak Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inteligent cards and PPP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm.... This isn't like the rc.serial I got with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE at all. Are you running an earlier version? If so, you might want to grab the new rc.serial, which is table-driven. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 10:29:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20024 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20014 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uGr8P-000wupC; Tue, 7 May 96 11:05 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA831490044; Tue, 07 May 96 10:50:58 PST Date: Tue, 07 May 96 10:50:58 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9604078314.AA831490044@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Darek Misiak Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inteligent cards and PPP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This should work. I changed mine to set the modem ports to 38400, so that the serial interrupts were not as frequent with several V.34 modems. Make sure to turn on RTS/CTS pacing on your modems! --Brett Original message follows: Here comes a new version of rc.serial. It is set to cooperate with Cyclades. I didn't try to start it with Specialix. #!/bin/sh # $Id: rc.serial,v 1.6 1996/02/24 19:51:25 bde Exp $ # Change some defaults for serial devices. # Standard defaults are: # dtrwait 300 drainwait 0 # initial cflag from = cread cs8 hupcl # initial iflag, lflag and oflag all 0 # speed 9600 # special chars from # nothing locked # except for serial consoles the initial iflag, lflag and oflag are from # and clocal is locked on. default() { # Reset everything changed by the other functions to initial defaults. ci=$1; shift # call in device identifier co=$1; shift # call out device identifier for i in $* do comcontrol /dev/tty$ci$i dtrwait 300 drainwait 0 stty ; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ([134.219.44.52]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id MAA02860 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platon (platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.96.1]) by platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA17588 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:49:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:49:44 +0100 (BST) From: " Stephen P. Butler" X-Sender: stephen@platon To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Intel M/Bs with FreeBSD. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody got any experience in using the Intel motherboards with FreeBSD? I'm looking into buying the bits to build a FreeBSD system and I was wondering whether the Intel M/Bs were worth looking at. As far as I'm aware, there's the plain Triton 430FX chipset M/B, the Endeavour with the on board sound chipset and the Atlantis with the sound and ATI graphics chipset. Would the on-board hardware be supported by FreeBSD and Xfree86 or would I need new drivers? I'd appreciate any suggestions at all on what to look for when buying motherboards since I'm not overly familiar with PC hardware. I have looked at the handbook and noticed the suggestions on ASUS motherboards, but I haven't seen anybody advertising them in the UK. TIA, Stephen. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- |Stephen Butler |stephen@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk | |Computer Science Undergraduate. | | |Royal Holloway, University of London.| | | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 14:10:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08011 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attila.stevens-tech.edu (attila.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.14.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07996 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S96254.u96.stevens-tech.edu (S96254.u96.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.130.77]) by attila.stevens-tech.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04424 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:10:41 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507211913.006b737c@attila.stevens-tech.edu> X-Sender: pchhibbe@attila.stevens-tech.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 17:19:13 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Parag Chhibber Subject: ATAPI and EIDE compatability Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I was wondering if EIDE Mode 4 drives (ATA-2) were supported by FreeBSD. If so, are there any limitations? (Such as max size accessed?) (Such as max 2 EIDE drives? (Pentiums can support 4)). Also, does FreeBSD support the Promise EIDE 2300+ Controller (or does it just support on board controllers). Does FreeBSD also have compatiblity with ATAPI CD-ROMS? (ie Toshiba 6X EIDE) Thanks in advance for your time and efforts. Parag Chhibber From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 15:31:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA16755 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16746 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.199.12.45] (slip5.ism.net [205.199.12.45]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02964; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:46:03 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:35:29 -0600 To: " Stephen P. Butler" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) Subject: Re: Intel M/Bs with FreeBSD. Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 8:49 PM 5/7/96, Stephen P. Butler wrote: >Has anybody got any experience in using the Intel motherboards with >FreeBSD? :-) >...Atlantis with the sound and ATI graphics chipset. Would the on-board >hardware be supported by FreeBSD Commenting on the Atlantis, as this is what I have, 2.1R is working fine for me. The only caveat is the problem with the conflict between the onboard video and the scanning for serial ports locking up the video (was this fixed in 2.2?). The fix is to this is when the kernel first starts to boot, at the Boot: prompt type '-c' and then 'visual' at the next prompt and diable all of the serial ports. This will allow you to boot and *promptly* build a new kernel. The key to your new kernel is to edit sio.c and disable serial ports 3 and 4 (I discussed this with someone and after testing you *have to* edit sio.c, you can't just comment out 3 and 4 in the kernel config). When you boot with your new kernel the first time, you still have to do the -c and visual to initialize it correctly, but otherwise no problems. It get easier with practice, I've done it five seperate times now ;-). >and Xfree86 or would I need new drivers? I've not been able to get Xfree86 to work with it yet, but I really haven't tried very hard as X isn't real important to me anyway. (Windows drivers for the video can be found at www.atitech.ca.) >I'd appreciate any suggestions at all on what to look for when buying >motherboards since I'm not overly familiar with PC hardware. Depending on what your doing, I've found two things to be important, PCI slots and the maximum amount of memory you can put on board. Intels (as far as I know) max out at 128meg RAM, but they come with four PCI slots (the most I've seen in the average MB. Someone mentioned earlier that some of the ASUS MBs support up to 256meg (or was that 512meg?) RAM, but I haven't found a supplier for them yet (again I haven't looked real hard :). >I have looked at the handbook and noticed the suggestions on ASUS >motherboards, but I haven't seen anybody advertising them in the UK. Can't help you there, sorry. rus Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) Join the revolution! From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 16:24:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA23865 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23856 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id AAA07324 ; Wed, 8 May 1996 00:24:28 +0100 (BST) To: " Stephen P. Butler" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Intel M/Bs with FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 00:24:28 +0100 Message-ID: <7322.831511468@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 8:49 PM 5/7/96, Stephen P. Butler wrote: > Has anybody got any experience in using the Intel motherboards with > I have looked at the handbook and noticed the suggestions on ASUS > motherboards, but I haven't seen anybody advertising them in the UK. If you look on ASUS's WWW pages (http://www.asus.com.tw/) there is a UK distributor listed (sorry, can't remember offhand and I don't have Netscape loaded right now). I've only seen them listed there, I've never used the UK distributor, so I can't make any comments on their service. What I will say is that generally ASUS boards are of good quality and don't come with ``flashy'' (and perhaps needless) extras (like onboard sound). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 18:42:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA07711 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07704 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24973; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:17:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605080147.LAA24973@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ATAPI and EIDE compatability To: pchhibbe@attila.stevens-tech.edu (Parag Chhibber) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:17:31 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960507211913.006b737c@attila.stevens-tech.edu> from "Parag Chhibber" at May 7, 96 05:19:13 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Parag Chhibber stands accused of saying: > > I was wondering if EIDE Mode 4 drives (ATA-2) were supported by FreeBSD. If They work, yes. Whichever mode was set by the BIOS is preserved; most decent BIOSses have an 'auto' setting which does a good job of getting it right. > so, are there any limitations? (Such as max size accessed?) (Such as max 2 > EIDE drives? (Pentiums can support 4)). None that I'm aware of. Note that your last comment about Pentiums is total marketing hokum. > Also, does FreeBSD support the Promise EIDE 2300+ Controller (or does it > just support on board controllers). Disable the BIOS on the 2300. Don't ever reenable it, or it will eat your disk. > Does FreeBSD also have compatiblity with ATAPI CD-ROMS? (ie Toshiba 6X EIDE) Some. Why not try booting the install floppy and see if it works. (for 2.1, you'll want the ATAPI floppy.) > Parag Chhibber -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 7 21:54:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22833 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.interpath.com (babbleon@mercury.interpath.com [199.72.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22813 Tue, 7 May 1996 21:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from babbleon@localhost) by mercury.interpath.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA29669; Wed, 8 May 1996 00:54:43 -0400 From: "Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account" Message-Id: <199605080454.AAA29669@mercury.interpath.com> Subject: Uknown CD-ROM : debugging a driver To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, this is a little weird, but I have an unknown make of CD-ROM. I own a ProStar 9400 and the people in technical support claim not to *know* who make the driver or how to get in contact with them, and there's no clear ID on it. (The only thing is a label saying that it is model CDR-9502, Made in Taiwan. The only maufacturer logo to be found is on two little Philips chips inside, but I've called Philips and they deny making it.) But FreeBSD things thinks an "?uknown" sort of mcd drive, so I thought I'd start with that driver and hack at it, sort of poking around to see what happens. I started out by putting a few printf statements about, but that gets sorta of tedious as I have to reboot each time I rebuild, so I got the clever idea to change all occurances of inb and outb in mcd.c to print out the address and value read/written, by creating BTSinb and BTSoutb, and globbally changing to use those. They are included below for your edification and amusement. However, with this change, the system won't boot, going into an infinite loop as we "inb" a 222 from location 301 over and over. My CD-ROM is at 300, so I think that this is the probe of the non-existant next device, but I'm only guessing here. QUESTIONS: - I'm surely not the first to do this sort of thing. How does one usually do it? - Where is doc on ddb, if that's the best way to look at this? - For that matter, where is ddb itself? I have a man page, but no command, and I did a string search in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/packages-2.1/all for "ddb" and found nothing. - I want to watch the probing along with the open &c. How can I get FreeBSD to probe for a device *after* the system has booted and the rest of it is sane rather than before? ================ The failed attempt to show all i/o traffic: ============== (in i386/isa/mcd.c): static int inbval; #define BTSinb(a) ( inbval = inb(a), \ printf("MCD inb: addr=%p in=%c (%d)\n", a, inbval, inbval), \ inbval ) #define BTSoutb(a,b) ( printf("MCD outb: addr=%p, out=%c (%d)\n", a, b, b), \ outb(a, b) ) -- Brian T. Schellenberger, the Man from Babble-On. "Someday I'll get around to importing all the cool quotes from my other account's .sig files." http://mercury.interpath.com/~babbleon From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 8 15:21:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA29933 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29905 Wed, 8 May 1996 15:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA20413; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:20:35 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA05928; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:20:35 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA15725; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:27:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605082127.XAA15725@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Uknown CD-ROM : debugging a driver To: babbleon@mercury.interpath.com (Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:27:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605080454.AAA29669@mercury.interpath.com> from "Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account" at "May 8, 96 00:54:42 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account wrote: > QUESTIONS: > - Where is doc on ddb, if that's the best way to look at this? Look in the section about kernel debugging in the handbook. It explains the DDB and gdb -k basics. > - For that matter, where is ddb itself? ``options DDB'' in the kernel config file. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 8 18:03:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17258 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 18:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17238 Wed, 8 May 1996 18:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA10013; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:58:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199605090058.BAA10013@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:58:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: Gary Palmer's message of May 8, 12:24am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Gary Palmer , " Stephen P. Butler" Subject: Re: Intel M/Bs with FreeBSD. Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Gary Palmer > Date: Wed 8 May, 1996 > Subject: Re: Intel M/Bs with FreeBSD. > At 8:49 PM 5/7/96, Stephen P. Butler wrote: > > Has anybody got any experience in using the Intel motherboards with > > I have looked at the handbook and noticed the suggestions on ASUS > > motherboards, but I haven't seen anybody advertising them in the UK. > > If you look on ASUS's WWW pages (http://www.asus.com.tw/) there is a > UK distributor listed (sorry, can't remember offhand and I don't have > Netscape loaded right now). I've only seen them listed there, I've > never used the UK distributor, so I can't make any comments on their > service. Try http://www.gdn.com/. I spoke to the guy who runs this last month, and he seems helpful, though I haven't actually placed an order yet. Cheers, Mark. -- Mark Valentine at Home From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 8 19:11:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24591 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24573 Wed, 8 May 1996 19:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA02340; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:07:56 +1000 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:07:56 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199605090207.MAA02340@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: babbleon@mercury.interpath.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Uknown CD-ROM : debugging a driver Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I started out by putting a few printf statements about, but that gets >sorta of tedious as I have to reboot each time I rebuild, so I got the >... >QUESTIONS: > - I'm surely not the first to do this sort of thing. How does one > usually do it? I usually use ddb, and sometimes add code to log events, and sometimes load small test lkms. > - Where is doc on ddb, if that's the best way to look at this? > - For that matter, where is ddb itself? > I have a man page, but no command, and I did a string search in See another reply. > - I want to watch the probing along with the open &c. > How can I get FreeBSD to probe for a device *after* the system > has booted and the rest of it is sane rather than before? This isn't supported for most devices. However, parts of the wcd driver are in an lkm which can be loaded at any time, and you can always write a tiny lkm to call the probe routine, or call the probe routine in ddb. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 9 16:27:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04100 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aimnet.aimnet.com (tbrinck@aimnet.aimnet.com [204.247.0.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04088 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbrinck@localhost) by aimnet.aimnet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA17655; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby Brinck To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 9 20:27:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA14935 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com (root@ccnet.ccnet.com [192.215.96.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14926 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: smatthew@ccnet.com Received: from [192.0.1.2] (smatthew@ccnet3.ccnet.com [192.215.96.11]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18226 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:22:51 -0700 X-Sender: smatthew@mail.ccnet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:26:40 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Motherboards Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking to build a Pentium system to run FreeBSD. I'm looking for a good quality motherboard that can do parity on the memory, and is PCI. What are you using? What would you reccomend? Thanks for helping a FreeBSD newbie. Thanks Scott From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 9 21:23:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23124 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23113 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (ip-pdx20-50.teleport.com [206.163.124.242]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA26364 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199605100423.VAA26364@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: connect@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Pete Chiboucas Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ****************************************************** Strength is Gentle, Wisdom Quiet, Passion Overwhelming Net Connection/Pete Chiboucas www.webnw.com 8888 SW Cashmur Ln pete@webnw.com Portland Or 97225 503 203 1671 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 06:47:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA16572 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.vicon.net [206.64.130.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA16567 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vicon.net by phoenix (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10215; Fri, 10 May 1996 13:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <31937355.2F39@vicon.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:48:21 -0700 From: lgrexams Organization: lgrexams X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Future Domain SCSI Hard Drives... References: <199605100423.VAA26364@mail.transport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! I have a machine that I am trying to install FreeBSD 2.1 on from the walnut creek CDROM. It reports that I have no hard drive when I try to boot from a floppy made with ATAPIFLP.BAT. When my machine first starts up, it reports: (c) 1986-1991 FUTURE DOMAIN CORP SCSI ROM BIOS 1800 AT V2.0 SCSI 0 LUN 0 FUJITSU M2266S-512 Firmware Rev. 0014 512 Bytes per sector. (S) Its a 1.1 gig scsi harddrive. Is there ANY chance I will be able to install FreeBSD on this machine? Do I need a new scsi controller? If you need more information, don't hesistate to ask! Thanks! -- Todd Sherman LGR Corp. lgrexams@vicon.net MIS Specialist LGR Exams "The views contained herein are my own. Not LGR's." From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 07:03:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA19000 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA18995 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA28100 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:03:09 -0700 Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id IAA07910; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:56:57 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007908; Fri May 10 09:56:55 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 May 96 9:56:46 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 May 96 9:56:21 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: smatthew@ccnet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:56:17 EST Subject: Re: Motherboards Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <2287D9F65F4@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm looking to build a Pentium system to run FreeBSD. I'm looking for a > good quality motherboard that can do parity on the memory, and is PCI. What > are you using? What would you reccomend? Thanks for helping a FreeBSD > newbie. > Thanks > > Scott I would recommend ASUS boards in general. They have a fairly good track record. To get parity, you will need either a Triton II or a Neptune board (the Triton II is the newer chipset). Does anybody have a Triton II (82430HX) board working with FreeBSD? I seem to remember some problem with it, but that it may have been fixed a couple of weeks ago? Also if anyone has a list of boards in general that support parity or (egad!) ECC, it might be nice to post it here. I have a problem with making servers that have no provision for detecting even simple single bit errors. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 11:53:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14979 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attila.stevens-tech.edu (root@attila.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.14.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14974 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s96254.u96.stevens-tech.edu (S96254.u96.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.130.77]) by attila.stevens-tech.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27790 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960510185304.006aa034@attila.stevens-tech.edu> X-Sender: pchhibbe@attila.stevens-tech.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:53:04 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Parag Chhibber Subject: Adaptec Controller Hardware Compatibility ? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I was wondering if the Adaptec 2840FW (Fast Wide) or if the Adaptec 2840UW (Ultra Wide) was supported by FreeBSD. If so, has anyone dealt with these controller cards? Are they really as fast as they claim to be? Any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your time and effort. -Parag Chhibber Parag Chhibber ============================================================= Stevens Institute of Technology Home Address: S-247, Technology Hall #608 15 Powderhorn Drive Castle Point on the Hudson Kinnelon, New Jersey 07405-2936 Hoboken, New Jersey, 07030 (201) 492 - 2698 (201) 216 - 3611 E-mail: mailto:parag@gsi.gsini.net WWW: http://gsi.gsini.net/~parag/ http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~pchhibbe/ ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 13:00:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19438 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19417 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07941; Fri, 10 May 1996 12:59:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605101959.MAA07941@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Motherboards To: dave@persprog.com (David Alderman) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: smatthew@ccnet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2287D9F65F4@novell.persprog.com> from David Alderman at "May 10, 96 09:56:17 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I'm looking to build a Pentium system to run FreeBSD. I'm looking for a > > good quality motherboard that can do parity on the memory, and is PCI. What > > are you using? What would you reccomend? Thanks for helping a FreeBSD > > newbie. > > Thanks > > > > Scott > I would recommend ASUS boards in general. They have a fairly good > track record. To get parity, you will need either a Triton II or a > Neptune board (the Triton II is the newer chipset). Does anybody > have a Triton II (82430HX) board working with FreeBSD? I have qualified the ASUS PCI/I-P55T2P4 board and am shipping product at this time. > I seem to remember some problem with it, but that it may have been fixed a > couple of weeks ago? Your the second person who has mentioned this, pointers to more specific details are needed. I have not seen any ``problems'' that can be attributed to the MB. > Also if anyone has a list of boards in general that support parity or > (egad!) ECC, it might be nice to post it here. The Triton II chipset supports ECC, and yes, the PCI/I-P55T2P4 allows you to run in either Parity mode or ECC mode if you are using x36 true parity (not the logic parity generator chip) memory. Note that running in ECC mode slows you down about 10 to 15%. The PCI/I-P55T2P4 board running in ECC mode is about the same speed as the PCI/I-P55TP4N, it is about 10 to 15% faster when running in either Parity mode with x36 parts or non-parity mode with 32 bit parts. > I have a problem with making servers that have no provision for > detecting even simple single bit errors. My FCS on this product has already turned up the fact that he had bad memory. 2 Crashes directly reported as NMI parity errors, numorous other crashes caused be assertion of SERR during PCI bus mastering (Ungraceful crashes, but at least it allowed me to quickly diagnose the problem as more memory related failures). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 13:16:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA20261 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 13:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20254 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA14493; Fri, 10 May 1996 15:10:33 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014491; Fri May 10 16:10:26 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 May 96 16:10:16 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 May 96 16:09:50 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: smatthew@ccnet.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:09:45 EST Subject: Re: Motherboards Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <22EB825675B@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > Subject: Re: Motherboards > To: dave@persprog.com (David Alderman) > Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: smatthew@ccnet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org > > > > > I'm looking to build a Pentium system to run FreeBSD. I'm looking for a > > > good quality motherboard that can do parity on the memory, and is PCI. What > > > are you using? What would you reccomend? Thanks for helping a FreeBSD > > > newbie. > > > Thanks > > > > > > Scott > > I would recommend ASUS boards in general. They have a fairly good > > track record. To get parity, you will need either a Triton II or a > > Neptune board (the Triton II is the newer chipset). Does anybody > > have a Triton II (82430HX) board working with FreeBSD? > > I have qualified the ASUS PCI/I-P55T2P4 board and am shipping product > at this time. > Lots o' useful info deleted... > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > I knew if I said a little someone who really knows what's going on would fill in the blanks. Many thanks to Mr. Grimes. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 14:32:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26041 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boom.vars.com (boom.BSDI.COM [205.230.226.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26031 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boom.vars.com (localhost.vars.com [127.0.0.1]) by boom.vars.com (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22898; Fri, 10 May 1996 15:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199605102131.PAA22898@boom.vars.com> To: "David Alderman" cc: smatthew@ccnet.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboards In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 May 1996 16:09:45 EST." <22EB825675B@novell.persprog.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:31:32 -0600 From: Eric Varsanyi Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > I would recommend ASUS boards in general. They have a fairly good >> > track record. To get parity, you will need either a Triton II or a >> > Neptune board (the Triton II is the newer chipset). Does anybody >> > have a Triton II (82430HX) board working with FreeBSD? >> >> I have qualified the ASUS PCI/I-P55T2P4 board and am shipping product >> at this time. One gotcha with the ASUS boards are that they either: a) didn't wire the B-D PCI interrupts to anything or b) their BIOS doesn't understand how to program their interrupt routing. This is only a problem if you want to run something on the other side of a PCI-PCI bridge chip (like the SMC EtherPower 2). A properly implemented PCI card will attach the interrupt pin on each device on the subordinate bus to the main pins in sequence (dev1/pin A -> pin A, dev2/pin A -> pin B, etc...). In the case of the EtherPower2 pin A on the PCI slot is connected to the first ethernet device and pin B to the second. ASUS doesn't seem to understand what a PCI-PCI bridge is and why someone might want to use one. Their BIOS only detects and initializes the first PCI device on a subordinate bus (which is better than nothing!). After several months of fruitless bantering with ASUS I gave up and switched to Tyan (1462) for new machines. Having said that, as long as you never want to use anything with a PCI-PCI bridge ASUS makes good motherboards. -Eric Varsanyi Berkeley Software Design Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 19:34:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10934 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 19:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10927 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 19:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cantina.clinet.fi (root@cantina.clinet.fi [194.100.0.15]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.7.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id FAA06664; Sat, 11 May 1996 05:34:18 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (hsu@localhost) by cantina.clinet.fi (8.7.5/8.6.4) id FAA08306; Sat, 11 May 1996 05:34:18 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 05:34:18 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199605110234.FAA08306@cantina.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: Eric Varsanyi Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Eric Varsanyi's message of 11 May 1996 01:16:27 +0300 Subject: Re: Motherboards Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland References: <199605102131.PAA22898@boom.vars.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is only a problem if you want to run something on the other side of a PCI-PCI bridge chip (like the SMC EtherPower 2). A properly implemented PCI card will attach the interrupt pin on each device ... ASUS doesn't seem to understand what a PCI-PCI bridge is and why someone might want to use one. Their BIOS only detects and initializes I have at least 6 ASUS based routers which use SMC EtherPower 2 and ZNYX 4-port ethernet boards. One router has got 10 ports, all occupied. The motherboard is the SIS chipset one, P90. I have got Triton II boards also, but I'm not absolutely sure that I have tested those with multiple ports in use yet (but they are correctly probed and both ports on EP2s are usable alone). -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-0-4375360 fax -4555276 home -8031121 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 20:58:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA14318 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 20:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boom.vars.com (boom.BSDI.COM [205.230.226.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14307 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boom.vars.com (localhost.vars.com [127.0.0.1]) by boom.vars.com (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA24049; Fri, 10 May 1996 21:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199605110358.VAA24049@boom.vars.com> To: Heikki Suonsivu Cc: Eric Varsanyi , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboards In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 May 1996 05:34:18 +0300." <199605110234.FAA08306@cantina.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/pgp; format=mime; x-action=signclear; x-originator=05448C39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:58:31 -0600 From: Eric Varsanyi Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > This is only a problem if you want to run something on the other > side of a PCI-PCI bridge chip (like the SMC EtherPower 2). A properly > implemented PCI card will attach the interrupt pin on each device > >... > > ASUS doesn't seem to understand what a PCI-PCI bridge is and why > someone might want to use one. Their BIOS only detects and initializes > >I have at least 6 ASUS based routers which use SMC EtherPower 2 and ZNYX >4-port ethernet boards. One router has got 10 ports, all occupied. The >motherboard is the SIS chipset one, P90. I have got Triton II boards also, >but I'm not absolutely sure that I have tested those with multiple ports in >use yet (but they are correctly probed and both ports on EP2s are usable >alone). It must only be certain models then... the ones we've had trouble with were the P54NP4's (Neptune EISA/PCI). It isn't a BSD/OS problem, these wouldn't even run the DOS diagnostics that come with the EP2's. The I_LINE register in the second device is left programmed with apparently random values after POST (I've seen 0xfe, 0x20, and 0xff). They've probably corrected the problems in their newer boards (the Neptune is at least a couple of years old). - -Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMZQQZjxFdSMFRIw5AQFIygP/Xc8Wm7U9fRLZ54z8TwnqvQF1v1qhHgh9 WYPUjNPAcBmktIJy0s9Sx7rlFsx/QWQHwXi+XTJCm+RuK/HbGWm2weVaKQZGDVM4 JaOWpYWjIgYnWa/FaHTTPE9/vwZbZmSc9/XSNYgikw+hXehHwn4nSSl8rIAUuABH JFaY0rMvXlA= =6MHw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 21:41:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA15995 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 21:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15990 Fri, 10 May 1996 21:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net (optim.ism.net [205.199.12.2]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA04856; Fri, 10 May 1996 22:57:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:57:38 -0600 (MDT) From: John-David Childs To: questions@freebsd.org cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, I've been searching for these since 6pm. Found an HPUX disktab for the 4221 (from the Micropolis web site), but FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE boot disks (I'm doing a new install) chokes on the number of cyl/head/sec I entered. Micropolis docs are garbage (faxback), and the various hard disk reference guides (including "TheRef" don't give enough info). Any help appreciated greatly. -- John-David Childs www.marsweb.com/www.ism.net System Administrator Internet Services Montana (406)721-6277 & Network Engineer M@RSWeb - Montana's PREMIER Web Site "I used up all my sick days...so I'm calling in dead" From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 10 22:04:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16761 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 22:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16742 Fri, 10 May 1996 22:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA03580 ; Fri, 10 May 1996 22:04:25 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id FAA04887 ; Sat, 11 May 1996 05:59:51 +0100 (BST) To: John-David Childs cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 May 1996 22:57:38 MDT." Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 05:59:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4885.831790790@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John-David Childs wrote in message ID : > Yes, I've been searching for these since 6pm. Found an HPUX disktab for > the 4221 (from the Micropolis web site), but FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE boot > disks (I'm doing a new install) chokes on the number of cyl/head/sec > I entered. > Micropolis docs are garbage (faxback), and the various hard disk reference > guides (including "TheRef" don't give enough info). Any help appreciated > greatly. The correct answer is to make a small DOS partition on the hard drive so that FreeBSD can pick up the geometry presented to the computer by the SCSI card. Most SCSI cards present a fake geometry to the PC to get round limitations designed into the PC from the early days whem people thought that 500Mb's would never ever be exceeded (ha!). Without access to the BIOS from the kernel, FreeBSD doesn't have any real way of finding this out, and a small DOS partition (which can be deleted once the kernel is running and has read the MBR to get the geometry) is the best way. So the right answer is: it's not what geometry the drive has (which for SCSI drives is often wrong anyhow as they have variable number of sectors per track depending on the cylinder), but what geometry the controller has for the drive ... The installer will choke on what you tried as for multi-OS installations, you can't use the ``raw'' geometry but the one the BIOS sees. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 11 02:25:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA29062 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 May 1996 02:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29046 Sat, 11 May 1996 02:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA12546; Sat, 11 May 1996 19:02:17 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605110932.TAA12546@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? To: jdc@ism.net (John-David Childs) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 19:02:17 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "John-David Childs" at May 10, 96 10:57:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John-David Childs stands accused of saying: > > Yes, I've been searching for these since 6pm. Found an HPUX disktab for > the 4221 (from the Micropolis web site), but FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE boot > disks (I'm doing a new install) chokes on the number of cyl/head/sec > I entered. The 4221 is a SCSI device. You don't want physical geometry information info for the drive (it's a ZBR device and doesn't have 'geometry' in the traditional sense of the word anyway). What you want is the BIOS geometry imposed by the SCSI controller you're using. Read the installation notes. In particular, the part where it says "put a small DOS partition on the disk, and blow it away in the slice editor". The installer will be able to pick up the BIOS geometry from the layout of the DOS partition. > John-David Childs www.marsweb.com/www.ism.net -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 11 14:32:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA19684 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 May 1996 14:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19669 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cantina.clinet.fi (root@cantina.clinet.fi [194.100.0.15]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.7.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA00796; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:32:36 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (hsu@localhost) by cantina.clinet.fi (8.7.5/8.6.4) id AAA23211; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:32:35 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 00:32:35 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199605112132.AAA23211@cantina.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: Eric Varsanyi Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Eric Varsanyi's message of 11 May 1996 07:12:47 +0300 Subject: Re: Motherboards Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland References: <199605110358.VAA24049@boom.vars.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Eric Varsanyi It must only be certain models then... the ones we've had trouble with were the P54NP4's (Neptune EISA/PCI). It isn't a BSD/OS problem, these wouldn't even run the DOS diagnostics that come with the EP2's. The I_LINE register in the second device is left programmed ... They've probably corrected the problems in their newer boards (the Neptune is at least a couple of years old). Intel platos will not probe bridges correctly either, and isn't plato also using neptune chipset? Chipset problem, or just too old bios? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-0-4375360 fax -4555276 home -8031121 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 11 16:40:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA03275 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 May 1996 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03262 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.199.12.49] (slip9.ism.net [205.199.12.49]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA26254; Sat, 11 May 1996 17:56:15 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:44:04 -0600 To: John-David Childs From: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) Subject: Re: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:57 PM 5/10/96, John-David Childs wrote: >Yes, I've been searching for these since 6pm. Found an HPUX disktab for >the 4221 (from the Micropolis web site), but FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE boot >disks (I'm doing a new install) chokes on the number of cyl/head/sec >I entered. You might try just letting FreeBSD find the info on it's own. Or is this where it's choking? There aren't disktab entries for either the hard-drive or the jaz drive (although I wrote one for the jaz drive that you're welcome to for an example) and FreeBSD picked them up just fine. rus Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) Join the revolution! From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 11 17:21:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06982 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 May 1996 17:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06977 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 17:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net (optim.ism.net [205.199.12.2]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26689; Sat, 11 May 1996 18:37:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:37:39 -0600 (MDT) From: John-David Childs To: Russ Pagenkopf cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 May 1996, Russ Pagenkopf wrote: > You might try just letting FreeBSD find the info on it's own. Or is this > where it's choking? There aren't disktab entries for either the hard-drive > or the jaz drive (although I wrote one for the jaz drive that you're > welcome to for an example) and FreeBSD picked them up just fine. > > rus > It choked when trying to find the info on it's own. PFDISK.EXE (from the FreeBSD tools directory) came up with some really nutty values which didn't work either. However, when I used FDISK to create 1 megabyte DOS partitions on each drive, FreeBSD picked up the correct values from the BIOS. -- John-David Childs www.marsweb.com/www.ism.net System Administrator Internet Services Montana (406)721-6277 & Network Engineer M@RSWeb - Montana's PREMIER Web Site "I used up all my sick days...so I'm calling in dead" From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 11 18:45:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA11080 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 May 1996 18:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11073 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 18:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00757; Sat, 11 May 1996 18:44:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605120144.SAA00757@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Motherboards To: hsu@clinet.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ewv@boom.bsdi.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605112132.AAA23211@cantina.clinet.fi> from Heikki Suonsivu at "May 12, 96 00:32:35 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > From: Eric Varsanyi > It must only be certain models then... the ones we've had trouble with > were the P54NP4's (Neptune EISA/PCI). It isn't a BSD/OS problem, > these wouldn't even run the DOS diagnostics that come with the > EP2's. The I_LINE register in the second device is left programmed > ... > They've probably corrected the problems in their newer boards (the > Neptune is at least a couple of years old). > > Intel platos will not probe bridges correctly either, and isn't plato also > using neptune chipset? Chipset problem, or just too old bios? Chipset limitation. The neptune chip set was designed before any PCI-PCI bridges had been designed, thus they had no way to know how to handle them, and no way to test that it would work. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD