From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 06:20:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA20460 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20455 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA25773; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:23:02 -0500 From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199601021423.JAA25773@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: Multiple mailboxes To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:23:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: boot@itchy.mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have several customers who wish to have multiple mailboxes for their Internet accounts. My question is this: Is there a mail reader for the PC that allows multiple mailboxes? Most of my customers are using Eudora Light. Is there a way to setup Eudora Light so that 2 different users can read mail from the same PC? Thanks in advance. -- Bruce Bauman Mosquito Net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 07:30:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22822 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (root@aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22788 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA28862; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:29:29 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199601021423.JAA25773@itchy.mosquito.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 17:27:59 +0200 (IST) Reply-To: yuri@aebeard.technion.ac.il From: Yuri Gindin To: Bruce Bauman Subject: RE: Multiple mailboxes Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, (Bruce Bauman) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 02-Jan-96 Bruce Bauman wrote: >>I have several customers who wish to have multiple mailboxes for their Interne t accounts. >My question is this: > >Is there a mail reader for the PC that allows multiple mailboxes? Most of my cu stomers are >using Eudora Light. Is there a way to setup Eudora Light so that 2 different us ers can read >mail from the same PC? > >Thanks in advance. > >-- Bruce Bauman > Mosquito Net Try to use pine it's even better,because it works also with imapd and pop2/3 /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | \\ Yuri Gindin http://www.xpert.com/~yuri | | \\ // || Home: +972-4-282475 | | \\ // ___ ___ ___||__ Work: +972-4-545259 | | \// / --\ / --\ / --||-- Internet | | //\ || \\// __/ || || S/W Development | | // \\ ||__//\\____ || \\__ Network Integration | | ==//===\\||======================= System Administration | \---------\||-------UNIX Systems LTD------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 08:33:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26390 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gensys.com (gensys-gw.gensys.com [206.109.98.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26385 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from Novellnet.Gensys.com (novellnet.Gensys.com [206.109.98.2]) by Gensys.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA01808; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:32:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from GENSYS/SpoolDir by Novellnet.Gensys.com (Mercury 1.20); 2 Jan 96 10:33:10 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by GENSYS (Mercury 1.20); 2 Jan 96 10:33:09 -0500 From: "Jeff Hupp" Organization: Gensys Technologies, Inc. To: boot@itchy.mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:33:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Multiple mailboxes Reply-to: JHupp@Gensys.Com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2166B1354D@Novellnet.Gensys.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On 2 Jan 96 at 9:23, Bruce Bauman wrote: : I have several customers who wish to have multiple mailboxes for their Internet accounts. : My question is this: : : Is there a mail reader for the PC that allows multiple mailboxes? Most of my customers are : using Eudora Light. Is there a way to setup Eudora Light so that 2 different users can read : mail from the same PC? : Look at Pegasus It's more feature filled, completely free and can be setup to handle multiple mail boxes (users) several ways. There are also a number of extentions available, including finger and an interface to PGP. -- JHupp@gensys.com |For PGP Public Key: http://gensys.com |finger jhupp@gensys.com If you don't like yourself, you can't like other people. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 11:17:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04670 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.vividnet.com (mail.vividnet.com [206.149.144.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04663 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from aries.vividnet.com (postmaster@mail.vividnet.com) by mail.vividnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10660; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:17:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Wang To: Bruce Bauman cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Bruce Bauman Subject: Re: Multiple mailboxes In-Reply-To: <199601021423.JAA25773@itchy.mosquito.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Bruce Bauman wrote: > I have several customers who wish to have multiple mailboxes for their Internet accounts. > My question is this: > > Is there a mail reader for the PC that allows multiple mailboxes? Most of my customers are > using Eudora Light. Is there a way to setup Eudora Light so that 2 different users can read > mail from the same PC? Have more than 1 copy of Eudora with different pop accounts? This maybe a waste of disk space, but it works out rather well. Our main office computer has 5 copies of Eudora running for our staffs. Sincerely, Brian From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 16:34:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00146 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (aspen.woc.atinc.com [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00127 Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA09234; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:34:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:34:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: wollman@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: two isp's, one net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk how do i set up a the routers and routes so that i can have two internet connections supporting a single organization. when one isp fails (far too often these days what with mci and alternet and sprint and.....) i want the other line to carry all the traffic. our service is a full T-1 on one line and metered T-1 on the other, therefore traffic load balancing is NOT desireable. The Internet | | | | | | ---------- ---------- | router | | router | ---------- ---------- | | | | ---------------------------------------ethernet | | the inside are two default routes legal??? how would the kernel decide between them?? can i do two default routes with different metrics, one 0 and one, say 4??? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 18:28:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA20087 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from albion.loach.org (root@loach.org [199.233.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20047 Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alexei@localhost) by albion.loach.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA05731; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:30:06 GMT From: Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov Message-Id: <199601041830.SAA05731@albion.loach.org> Subject: Re: two isp's, one net To: jmb@freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:30:01 +0000 () Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jan 4, 96 07:34:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > how do i set up a the routers and routes so that i can have two internet > connections supporting a single organization. when one isp fails (far > too often these days what with mci and alternet and sprint and.....) i want > the other line to carry all the traffic. our service is a full T-1 on > one line and metered T-1 on the other, therefore traffic load balancing > is NOT desireable. > > > The Internet > | | > | | > | | > ---------- ---------- > | router | | router | > ---------- ---------- > | | > | | > ---------------------------------------ethernet > | > | > the inside > > > are two default routes legal??? how would the kernel decide > between them?? can i do two default routes with different metrics, one 0 > and one, say 4??? > > jmb > > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life > i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > > I am not believing this can be accomplished without peering with providers at Network Access Points like MAE East, or CIX; the reason being is the fact that backbone routing would need to be coordinated for your network through the Routing Arbitration Database, and for the same internet addresses to be routed through providers would not necessarily be possible solution due to the way in which addressing information is 'pointed' at one provider or the other. If you'd like more intelligent elaboration, you are welcome to contact me; I work for one of the nationwide providers ,and we have tackled this problem for customers before with little success. --Alexei From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 22:44:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA11368 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (root@hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11362 Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13698; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:43:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:43:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-Sender: scrappy@hub.org To: Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: two isp's, one net In-Reply-To: <199601041830.SAA05731@albion.loach.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov wrote: > I am not believing this can be accomplished without peering with providers > at Network Access Points like MAE East, or CIX; the reason being is the > fact that backbone routing would need to be coordinated for your network > through the Routing Arbitration Database, and for the same internet addresses > to be routed through providers would not necessarily be possible solution due > to the way in which addressing information is 'pointed' at one provider or the > other. If you'd like more intelligent elaboration, you are welcome to contact > me; I work for one of the nationwide providers ,and we have tackled this > problem for customers before with little success. > Wait...I thought this was just a matter of getting assigned an AS #, and making use of BGP routing (or OSPF, which I believe is the newer of the two). Using something like Gated on the "gateway" box, routing through either or both providers should be (I know... the books always make it sound *sooo* easy) trivial... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 22:48:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA11579 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from albion.loach.org (root@loach.org [199.233.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA11573 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alexei@localhost) by albion.loach.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA01928; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:49:28 GMT From: Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov Message-Id: <199601042249.WAA01928@albion.loach.org> Subject: Re: two isp's, one net To: scrappy@ki.net (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:49:27 +0000 () Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Jan 5, 96 01:43:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov wrote: > > > I am not believing this can be accomplished without peering with providers > > at Network Access Points like MAE East, or CIX; the reason being is the > > fact that backbone routing would need to be coordinated for your network > > through the Routing Arbitration Database, and for the same internet addresses > > to be routed through providers would not necessarily be possible solution due > > to the way in which addressing information is 'pointed' at one provider or the > > other. If you'd like more intelligent elaboration, you are welcome to contact > > me; I work for one of the nationwide providers ,and we have tackled this > > problem for customers before with little success. > > > Wait...I thought this was just a matter of getting assigned > an AS #, and making use of BGP routing (or OSPF, which I believe is > the newer of the two). Using something like Gated on the "gateway" > box, routing through either or both providers should be (I know... > the books always make it sound *sooo* easy) trivial... > > Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting > System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, > Administrator | | Information and > scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc > > I stand corrected; the mfact it though, that you're fairly likely to run into difficulty with the providers, due to the seemingly widespread reluctance of their network administrators to pick up such strangely sticky issues for those customers who aren't the multimillion dollar corporations. OSPF is an excellent protocol for the application, and BGP is quite serviceable; the faceless national providers tend not to be so generous with it, without a customer-service-request tantrum, which, is of course, a quite viable option. ;) --Alexei From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 23:36:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA14450 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14445 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0tY6hO-000Am3C; Thu, 4 Jan 96 23:36 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: two isp's, one net To: alexei@loach.org (Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:36:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: scrappy@ki.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199601042249.WAA01928@albion.loach.org> from "Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov" at Jan 4, 96 10:49:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I stand corrected; the mfact it though, that you're fairly likely to > run into difficulty with the providers, due to the seemingly widespread > reluctance of their network administrators to pick up such strangely > sticky issues for those customers who aren't the multimillion dollar > corporations. This wouldn't surprise me, as it is a major headache to get it setup correctly. I work for one of those MMDC's, and we use such a setup to provide redundant connections. It took quite a bit of tinkering to get it to work the way they wanted it to. -- Alan Batie ______ batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Freedom for me to be and do +1 503 452-0960 \ / only what *you* approve of 45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL \/ is no freedom at all. It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 09:54:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20291 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bbcc.ctc.edu (MAIL.BBCC.CTC.EDU [134.39.180.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20285 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost from mail.bbcc.ctc.edu (router,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.8); Fri, 05 Jan 1996 09:52:16 PST Received: from johna.bbcc.ctc.edu by mail.bbcc.ctc.edu (134.39.180.47::mail daemon; unverified,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.8); Fri, 05 Jan 1996 09:51:29 PST Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Anderson Organization: Big Bend Comm College To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:55:29 -8 Subject: Would like your opinion Reply-to: John Anderson Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB1) Message-Id: <19960105095216.0a255de9.in@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are getting ready to start providing internet service to our community and would like any suggestions you may have. We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to start, with 5 lines coming in. FreeBSD running on a: Pentium 100 16 meg ram 1 gig scsi hard drive 4X CD rom drive. Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that enough memory? I would appreciate any hints, and please forgive my ignorance. Thank you John Anderson johna@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 12:17:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28934 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28925 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: scanner@jurai.net Received: (from scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA20066; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:18:33 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:18:32 -0600 (CST) To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: <19960105095216.0a255de9.in@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > > > Hi, > I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are > getting ready to start providing internet service to our community > and would like any suggestions you may have. > We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to > start, with 5 lines coming in. > FreeBSD running on a: > Pentium 100 > 16 meg ram > 1 gig scsi hard drive > 4X CD rom drive. > > Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that > enough memory? Personally even though your looking to save money I would jack the ram up to 32 megs. that should make your system more comfortable. other than that it looks ok. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Chris Watson % Scanner@jurai.net % 1(509)-454-7358 - VMB % Networking & Computer Security Expert % MSR Technologies % Wichita, Kansas % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzA7IoEAAAEH/2EPSOUsZ+hSxh3zGwtYvuaIjCzMU/TOz8z2RoKAubcJ+IlQ YVfG3RTiShlqsNnKSYKJbvOxF1OzkCicGl+XlodcWuXR3BmUrnpm45+oGIx6IUJ4 xkO6Ce7K5bT024jFkBXoL8csLdPmHDBlZtL4Y5uh8yXLMHSpJUMPT+hEGjuiFY48 E8Gox46Jti0oBxF9AtnZChsf1asMXrNiGgfRuWYgBjwB2lMW/co3XgvUw+JK2jSt MK3FhJSgSBpSeoq4K1pyEBboXXbV5/xD2rLgxJVBAxARpIDhaIQdOpRHENIGuwvl FhMzNOAqkJG6eAMJAdFMVXtgGvotuuEikpZD3oEABRG0IENocmlzIFdhdHNvbiA8 c2Nhbm5lckBqdXJhaS5uZXQ+ =yI5B -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 12:38:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00240 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from solar.os.com (craigs@solar.iii.net [199.232.46.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00234 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from craigs@localhost) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) id PAA07441; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:48:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:48:02 -0500 From: Craig Shrimpton Subject: Re: Would like your opinion To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19960105095216.0a255de9.in@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > > Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that > enough memory? > You could offer a basic IP service but not news or web with that setup. News needs its own machine with 32MB(min) 128MB(best) memory and at least 8 GB for a full feed. You could run web on the other machine if you bumped the memory to 32MB. You mentioned 56K line. One thing you might consider is get your IP delivered by frame relay. You could then purchase a Cisco 2511 router/terminal server to handle the incoming PPP connections. That way you could use the P100 with 16 MB as a shell/web machine. Offloading the PPP server will save tons of memory on the PC. A Cisco 2511 with IP routing, CSU/DSU, and 15 async ports runs about 4 grand. A lot of money, but a good growth path as it can load balance two T1s. If you expect to grow beyound 16 lines then look at the Cisco 2501 and Livingston Portmaster terminal servers. Remember, distributed computing power is the key to a restfull night's sleep! Word of advice: All disks except for maybe / should be SCSI. Use only PCI bus master controllers. This is especially important if you have a SCSI tape drive. Craig From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 14:30:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07641 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from imp.fl.net.au (imp.fl.net.au [203.63.198.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07631 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fl.com.au (lucifer.fl.net.au [203.63.198.11]) by imp.fl.net.au (2.0/adf) with SMTP id JAA17229 for < freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:32:29 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601052232.JAA17229@imp.fl.net.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 96 09:30:22 EST From: adf@fl.net.au (Andrew Foster) Reply-To: adf@fl.net.au (Andrew Foster) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Andrew Foster's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Would like your opinion Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are >getting ready to start providing internet service to our community >and would like any suggestions you may have. >We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to >start, with 5 lines coming in. >FreeBSD running on a: >Pentium 100 >16 meg ram >1 gig scsi hard drive >4X CD rom drive. > >Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that >enough memory? > >I would appreciate any hints, and please forgive my ignorance. Are you planning on bringing in a full or partial news feed? I would suggest a 4GB drive as a proxy caching and news spool. Thanks, Andrew Foster First Link Internet Services. -------- Andrew Foster Sydney, Australia From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 17:00:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA14812 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14807 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA12391; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:54:35 +0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:54:34 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: scanner@jurai.net cc: John Anderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You need at least 8G of disk to do news and full ISP services. Get 3 or four disks. Try a digiboard as terminal server. jbeukema On Fri, 5 Jan 1996 scanner@jurai.net wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are > > getting ready to start providing internet service to our community > > and would like any suggestions you may have. > > We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to > > start, with 5 lines coming in. > > FreeBSD running on a: > > Pentium 100 > > 16 meg ram > > 1 gig scsi hard drive > > 4X CD rom drive. > > > > Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that > > enough memory? > Personally even though your looking to save money I would jack the ram up > to 32 megs. that should make your system more comfortable. > other than that it looks ok. > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Chris Watson % > Scanner@jurai.net % > 1(509)-454-7358 - VMB % > Networking & Computer Security Expert % > MSR Technologies % > Wichita, Kansas % > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzA7IoEAAAEH/2EPSOUsZ+hSxh3zGwtYvuaIjCzMU/TOz8z2RoKAubcJ+IlQ > YVfG3RTiShlqsNnKSYKJbvOxF1OzkCicGl+XlodcWuXR3BmUrnpm45+oGIx6IUJ4 > xkO6Ce7K5bT024jFkBXoL8csLdPmHDBlZtL4Y5uh8yXLMHSpJUMPT+hEGjuiFY48 > E8Gox46Jti0oBxF9AtnZChsf1asMXrNiGgfRuWYgBjwB2lMW/co3XgvUw+JK2jSt > MK3FhJSgSBpSeoq4K1pyEBboXXbV5/xD2rLgxJVBAxARpIDhaIQdOpRHENIGuwvl > FhMzNOAqkJG6eAMJAdFMVXtgGvotuuEikpZD3oEABRG0IENocmlzIFdhdHNvbiA8 > c2Nhbm5lckBqdXJhaS5uZXQ+ > =yI5B > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 01:40:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA07081 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.ftcnet.com (admin@alpha.ftcnet.com [204.174.119.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07076 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from admin@localhost) by alpha.ftcnet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA09427; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:35:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Klatt To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: <19960105095216.0a255de9.in@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are > getting ready to start providing internet service to our community > and would like any suggestions you may have. > We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to > start, with 5 lines coming in. > FreeBSD running on a: > Pentium 100 > 16 meg ram > 1 gig scsi hard drive > 4X CD rom drive. > > Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that > enough memory? > > I would appreciate any hints, and please forgive my ignorance. I'd suggest more RAM, go with 32 MB, certainly if you plan to run INN (Usenet news). Go with more RAM even if you have to back down to a 486DX. More RAM will give you better performance than a faster CPU for ISP work. Another hard drive would definitely help, more spindles are better, that's why you're using SCSI, right? BTW: what will you be connecting the 5 modems to? If you've got the budget, I think you'll be happy with a Livingston PortMaster. Bernard Klatt Owner Fairview Tech Ctr Ltd. www.ftcnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 12:09:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13281 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13271 Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00784; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:07:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L cc: FREEBSD-ISP-L Subject: A few other concerns from a FreeBSD ISP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am starting to phase in FreeBSD boxes in favour of BSD/OS systems at Internex Online, the ISP that employs me. The first machines are being used as customer login servers, so they are running your typical mix of Internet client software. Dialup access is provided via Livingston PM-2e terminal servers. There are a few items that concern me, none of which were brought up in the "ISP's state their FreeBSD concerns" thread from a couple of months back. For reference, the machines are Intel P133's on ASUS P/I-P55TP4XEG (note the extra 'G') motherboards with 512K pipeline burst cache, 4x32MB 60ns FPM SIMM's, a generic PCI VGA card, an SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100Mbps Ethernet NIC, an NCR53c810 SCSI controller and a Quantum Fireball 1080S hard drive. 2.1.0-RELEASE is installed on all of them. 1. Rlogin problem The most troubling is an rlogin bug that has been around at least since January 1995. On seemingly random occasions, an rlogin to the FreeBSD host will fail. After the rlogin command is issued on the other system, there is a period of inactivity that lasts about one minute. Then I get a "Connection refused" error. I've had this problem since 2.0-RELEASE, whether the other system is running FreeBSD, BSD/OS, NetBSD, SunOS, AIX or IRIX. I have tcp_wrappers installed on the FreeBSD machine. When an rlogin fails, no connection is registered by tcpd and rlogind on the destination host doesn't even start. Running inetd in debug mode indicates that not even inetd is aware there is a connection attempt on port 513. Running netstat around the time of the rlogin attempt suggests that the rlogin hang may have to do with the kernel assigning the connection a port number that is still currently in TIME_WAIT from a previous rlogin. Once the TIME_WAIT status is cleared, the rlogin is completed. If this is the problem, would it be possible to get the kernel to use incremental port numbers instead of trying to "reuse" old ones? The TIME_WAIT's hang around for a few seconds after a connection is lost, and this becomes an issue when you have login/logout events once every few seconds. Our terminal servers use the rlogin service to transfer a user to a FreeBSD machine. If that connection times out, the line is dropped and they need to redial. Needless to say, this won't score any points with customers. I haven't noticed this problem with BSD/OS 2.0 yet, nor any other flavour of UNIX I've used. I haven't used NetBSD systems enough to know if they have the same problem in their socket code. Has anyone else seen this behaviour with 2.1.0-RELEASE (or with earlier or later kernels)? Better yet, does anyone have a solution? 2. Temporary loss of NFS service FreeBSD's NFS client code seems to be very sensitive to an unresponsive server. If our NFS server (a P100 BSD/OS 2.0 machine) needs to be taken offline, clients of that server will naturally get a lot of processes hanging in disk wait. The problem is that FreeBSD clients do not seem to ever recover from that state, while the BSD/OS clients take a few minutes to realize NFS is once again available, and continue on their merry way. The only wait out of this is to reboot the FreeBSD machines (again, not scoring any points with the paying customers who were online). I am running "nfsiod -n 4" on the clients, and "nfsd -t -u -n 6" on the BSD/OS server. About 24 gigabytes of disk over 7 filesystems are exported to the clients. Is there any way to "kickstart" processes on the client so they know that the NFS server is alive again? Or is there a tunable parameter in the kernel source that decreases the timeout or increases the frequency of retrying the NFS server? 3. Unrecoverable "mb_map full" condition I've noticed that once the kernel reports "mb_map full", networking is completely hosed. Is it possible for the kernel to release unused mbufs into a free pool of some sort instead of forcing me to reboot the machine? I've had this happen even with NMBCLUSTERS=2048, but I haven't seen it yet with 4096. 'netstat -m' typically reports: 226 mbufs in use: 100 mbufs allocated to data 81 mbufs allocated to packet headers 33 mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks 12 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 81/454 mbuf clusters in use 936 Kbytes allocated to network (20% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines In the "mbuf clusters in use" line, is 81 the current number allocated, and 454 the high-water mark? Those numbers aren't anywhere near 2048, let alone 4096. Does the NMBCLUSTERS option in the kernel config refer to some other number? *** The last two problems aren't immediate concerns, but the first one will cause headaches once I switch the Livingstons to use the FreeBSD machines as login hosts instead of the BSD/OS machines. Any insight or advice appreciated. Thanks. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 12:18:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13878 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13871 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00803; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:15:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Joe Greco cc: Bruce Bauman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, boot@itchy.mosquito.com Subject: Re: limiting mailbox size? In-Reply-To: <199511271700.LAA11217@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Nov 1995, Joe Greco wrote: > > No clean solutions that I've seen. :-) We have an additional problem in that excessively large mailboxes will cause some IMAP and POP clients to timeout their connections to the mail server. 99% of calls to support about "your mail server isn't working" can be attributed to someone with huge mailbox. I used to be nice and extract/delete out the big messages (file transmissions), but now I just move the entire mailbox into the home directory and instruct the user to download it back to their home machine and find a way of dealing with it from there. Our mail spool is closing in on 1.5 gigabytes (9891 mailboxes), on a 1.7-gig /var partition. Luckily, only on one occasion did the filesystem fill up *completely* (i.e., 109% capacity) and that was when a broken Unixware mail host repeatedly bounced 9-meg messages to one of our users (who had addressed to the wrong host in the first place). :-/ -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 12:22:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA14067 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14060 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00815; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:20:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: JHupp@Gensys.Com cc: Bruce Bauman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple mailboxes In-Reply-To: <2166B1354D@Novellnet.Gensys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Jeff Hupp wrote: > > Look at Pegasus > > It's more feature filled, completely free and can be setup to handle > multiple mail boxes (users) several ways. There are also a number of > extentions available, including finger and an interface to PGP. Can Pegasus perform rudimentary mail filtering? Some of our customers route several e-mail addresses in their domain to a single mailbox on our system that they can access via IMAP or POP. We setup something like this: sales@foo.com, info@foo.com, support@foo.com -> joeblow@io.org ... and so on. Although the messages to the various foo.com addresses are lumped into a single mailbox, you can use something like procmail on the UNIX side to split them into separate mailboxes based on the "To: " header. Does Pegasus (or any other Windoze- or Mac-based mail reader) have this feature? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 16:23:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA01626 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01605 Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA20935; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:43 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA20405; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:31 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id BAA17116; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:17:51 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601070017.BAA17116@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A few other concerns from a FreeBSD ISP To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:17:51 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jan 6, 96 03:07:19 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > 1. Rlogin problem > > The most troubling is an rlogin bug that has been around at least > since January 1995. On seemingly random occasions, an rlogin to the > FreeBSD host will fail. After the rlogin command is issued on the > other system, there is a period of inactivity that lasts about one > minute. Then I get a "Connection refused" error. This is just a ``Me, too'' message. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)