From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 11:37:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03031 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03026; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00954; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 12:41:18 GMT From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199606021241.MAA00954@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Nasty Routing BUG in 2.1R To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 12:41:17 +0000 () Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606011534.LAA00235@etinc.com> from "Dennis" at Jun 1, 96 11:34:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dennis wrote: > route delete 200.11.1.17 > > /* This causes a panic in the function rtfree(). If you dont delete > the route then the host address is unreachable (you get an arpresolve > error). */ We've hit this bug (or a variation of it) three times in the past week (see my previous message to -hackers.) Our setup looks as follows: ---------------- -------------- | FreeBSD 2.1R | <-- Ethernet --> | Cisco .254 | ---------------- -------------- | <--- PPP connection ------------ | PPP/.252 | ------------ The .252 machine is linked via PPP to the Cisco. It also has its own /26 subnet. For some reason, the .252 machine (a Telebit router) doesn't respond to ping x.x.x.252, but it does respond to pings to IP addresses on its own subnet. Probably a configuration problem at the Telebit end. To crash the FreeBSD system, simply type 'ping x.x.x.252', which generates "/kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo". I think at this time it also generates an invalid/incomplete routing entry. Sometime later the system tries to purge this entry, and we get panic:rtfree. The bug is quite disturbing since any user can make the system unstable by simply issuing 'ping x.252'. So I set a dumpdev for good measure. Unfortunately, when the machine panicked again, something happened during the subsequent savecore which totally messed up the root partition. (Yippe, that was 4 hours of sweat and panic, trying to patch it back together with customers complaining.) Regards, -Ade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 12:08:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04670 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04664; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22706; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Ade Barkah cc: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nasty Routing BUG in 2.1R In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Jun 1996 12:41:17 -0000." <199606021241.MAA00954@hemi.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 12:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <22704.833742475@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To crash the FreeBSD system, simply type 'ping x.x.x.252', which > generates "/kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo". I think at I assume this is 2.1-stable here? > So I set a dumpdev for good measure. Unfortunately, when the > machine panicked again, something happened during the subsequent > savecore which totally messed up the root partition. (Yippe, that Ermm. What's dumpdev pointing at please? We should try and figure out why this happened! Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 13:56:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10561 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beta.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (beta.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.6.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10548; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from roberte@localhost) by beta.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA03344; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:56:06 +0200 From: Robert Eckardt Message-Id: <199606022056.WAA03344@beta.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Subject: Re: Nasty Routing BUG in 2.1R To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:56:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dennis@etinc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606021241.MAA00954@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Jun 2, 96 12:41:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Dennis wrote: > > route delete 200.11.1.17 > > > > /* This causes a panic in the function rtfree(). If you dont delete > > the route then the host address is unreachable (you get an arpresolve > > error). */ > > We've hit this bug (or a variation of it) three times in the past > week (see my previous message to -hackers.) > > Our setup looks as follows: > > ---------------- -------------- > | FreeBSD 2.1R | <-- Ethernet --> | Cisco .254 | > ---------------- -------------- > | <--- PPP connection > ------------ > | PPP/.252 | > ------------ > > The .252 machine is linked via PPP to the Cisco. It also has its own > /26 subnet. For some reason, the .252 machine (a Telebit router) > doesn't respond to ping x.x.x.252, but it does respond to pings to > IP addresses on its own subnet. Probably a configuration problem at > the Telebit end. > > To crash the FreeBSD system, simply type 'ping x.x.x.252', which > generates "/kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo". I think at > this time it also generates an invalid/incomplete routing entry. > Sometime later the system tries to purge this entry, and we get > panic:rtfree. Hi, I had a very similar problem a while ago -- actually it still exists. (running 2.0 and 2.1-RELEASE) We have a modem connected to our server and some of us have our 'own' IP addresses for the machines at home. If you are on the net it works fine, but when you terminate the SLIP connection and e.g. some mail arrives you get the bad routing entry. 134.147.6.18 134.147.6.1 UGHS 0 0 ed1 % ping 134.147.6.18 PING 134.147.6.18 (134.147.6.18): 56 data bytes 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss 134.147.6.18 134.147.6.18 UGHMS 1 2 ed1 However, I observed that the machine does not crash when I _change_ the route instead of deleting it. % route change 134.147.6.18 134.147.6.1 change host 134.147.6.18: gateway 134.147.6.1 134.147.6.18 134.147.6.18 UGHMS 0 2 ed1 Therefore, I run every 20min the following ugly sh-script: netstat -rn | grep UGH | while read n1 n2 nn do if [ $n1 = $n2 ]; then logger -p cron.notice "Resetting route for $n1" /sbin/route change $n1 134.147.6.1 fi done I see that this is just a work around, but at least the net runs. BTW, a SysVr3.2 (ISC-2.2) machine produces also those 'wrong' route entries. However it does not crash when it is deleted. Ciao, Robert -- Robert Eckardt ( Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Inst.f.Theor.Physik, NB6/169 ) Universitaetsstrasse 150, D-44780 Bochum, Germany ----X---8---- Telefon: +49 234 700 3709, Telefax: +49 234 700 3712 8 E-Mail: RobertE@MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de --------8---- URL: http://WWW.MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de/ >>> Fuer die einen ist es bloss ein Betriebssystem, <<< >>> fuer die anderen ist es der laengste Virus der Welt. .... Windows 95 <<< Privat: Steinbrink 22, D-45355 Essen, Germany -====- Telefon: +49 201 678602 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 17:29:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21793 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21780; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07943; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:33:30 GMT From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199606021833.SAA07943@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Nasty Routing BUG in 2.1R To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:33:29 +0000 () Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22704.833742475@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 2, 96 12:07:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > To crash the FreeBSD system, simply type 'ping x.x.x.252', which > > generates "/kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo". ... > > I assume this is 2.1-stable here? Here's from uname -a: | FreeBSD hemi.com 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #1: Sun Apr 28 | 10:35:33 MDT 1996 root@hemi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL i386 It's pretty much the stock 2.1-R kernel with minor modifications to bind() to restrict access only to users in a certain group. > > ... something happened during the subsequent savecore which totally > > messed up the root partition. ... > > Ermm. What's dumpdev pointing at please? We should try and figure > out why this happened! kern.dumpdev = sd0s2b /dev/sd0s2b none swap sw 0 0 The savecore was ran manually about 1 hour after the system came back up. The machine crashed during the savecore and that was pretty much the end of the / filesystem (incidently, the savecore was to the /usr filesystem.) We were able to get key files from /etc, but many of the binaries were corrupted, and the system hopelessly hangs somewhere after device probes are completed and before /etc/rc gets run. We replaced all the binaries by untarring fresh copies from the 2.1-R cd-rom. Thanks, -Ade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 17:46:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22848 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22843 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA06811; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:01:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: inet-access@earth.com cc: IAP@vma.cc.nd.edu, linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com Subject: Is your security up to snuff? Here's what other people think... Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:45:01 -0400 From: C Matthew Curtin To: Firewalls@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Countermeasures ? >>>>> "Bernd" == eckes writes: Bernd> Automated responses are Bernd> simply too easy to be used for deny of service. And X-Bombs are Bernd> very unsocial on the already overloaded Internet. Agreed. At a previous place of employment, our highly visible web server underwent a denial of service attack. We traced it back to a dialup account from a small ISP in another state. It was kind of interesting, because they were pretty uncooperative until we started getting threatening, wich is exactly what we were trying to avoid: * we had our SA call the ISP's technical contact, but she didn't get to talk to him directly: a message was taken by the receptionist. * after about 15 minutes of nonresponse, our webmaster called and explained AGAIN that this is so-and-so from a big company's R&D org, and one of your users is attacking one of our machines. Not terribly useful, because it was left in another message to the contact, who was in the privy :) * the webmaster called 10 minutes later and finally talked directly with the contact, who explained that he wouldn't be able to get around to dealing with it anytime soon, because he was real busy. It was on the speaker, so the four of us in the room just kinda looked at each other and grinned while the webmaster roasted his butt. * the attack stopped about two minutes after he got off the horn, so the webmaster called back to thank the guy for dealing with it so quickly. Turns out that the attack was coming from a rogue account, and that they suspect it was an ex-employee who was an admin there. They've had their stuff broken into several times, but didn't even do as much as advise their customers to change their passwords. Very strange. We gave him some advice (after prefacing it by saying 'we really can't tell you what to do, but...') and I can only hope that he took it. The story is more than mildly amusing: it helps to underscore a very serious problem with mismanaged (or undermanaged ... or perhaps we should say [mis|under]-administered :) sites, such as ISPs who really ought not be ISPs. I suppose this is another Bad Thing(tm) that has come about because of the explosive growth and popularity of the 'net. It was nice to be able to (until about '93 or early '94) be able to quickly talk to someone clued whenever there was a problem like that and have it immediately dealt with. But I've digressed beyond the scope of firewalls... C Matthew Curtin Chief Hacker Fahlgren, Inc. 655 Metro Pl S, Ste 700, Box 7159 Dublin OH 43017-7159 http://users1.ee.net/cmcurtin/ cmcurtin@fahlgren.com PGP Mail Preferred From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 2 22:07:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07316 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niobe.c2.net (niobe.c2.org [140.174.185.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07283; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: sameer@c2.org Received: (from sameer@localhost) by niobe.c2.net (8.7.5/CSUA) id WAA09191; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606030506.WAA09191@niobe.c2.net> Subject: FreeBSD and quotas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a SunOS sparc machine for my mail & shell server, and I've recently picked up pentiums running FreeBSD for news, web, bind, anonymizer, etc., and I love FreeBSD. I need to soon replace my sunos sparc machine because it is handling way more than it should, but the question of quotas now comes up. I see in /etc/sysconfig a comment saying "quotas probably don't work". I was wondering what the situation was with quotas. Do they work? If not, what are people doing to take care of the quota issue? -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-601-9777x3 Community ConneXion, Inc. FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.net/ (or login as "guest") sameer@c2.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 03:12:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25308 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korky.fe.up.pt (korky.fe.up.pt [192.82.214.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25107; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by korky.fe.up.pt; id AA17210; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:11:43 GMT Received: by crazy.fe.up.pt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Oct95-0259PM) id AA08426; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:57 +0100 (WET DST) From: Jorge Goncalves To: sameer@c2.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and quotas In-Reply-To: <199606030506.WAA09191@niobe.c2.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 sameer@c2.org wrote: > anonymizer, etc., and I love FreeBSD. > I need to soon replace my sunos sparc machine because it is > handling way more than it should, but the question of quotas now comes > up. I see in /etc/sysconfig a comment saying "quotas probably don't > work". > > I was wondering what the situation was with quotas. Do they > work? If not, what are people doing to take care of the quota issue? I love FreeBSD too... To enable quotas add the following line to your kernel configuration file OPTIONS QUOTA Edit /etc/sysconfig and turn on the option you mencioned before. To enable quotas on a filesystem edit /etc/fstab and change the entry to default rw,userquota,groupquota 1 1 Then reboot your machine. To edit quotas for one user just run the command edquota . Other important commands are quotacheck, repquota, quotaon and quotaoff. The first updates the quota files (if quotas are working this command you should not need to run this command so often), the second shows the blocks the blocks used by the users and groups, the third turns quotas on and the last one turns quotas off. For more information see the man page of these commands. If you have any doubt send mail to the list or to me. I hope that this reply helps you... Jorge Goncalves mec204@crazy.fe.up.pt .............................................................................. "The pen is mightier than the sword - so, in these dangerous times, I always carry a pen." .............................................................................. If you like privacy then finger for PGP key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMbLIJ1pS4ybTIq3ZAQEn2QP/ab6JnWcy1pS+MEBgvs97aiKb8O8ldrSc oftkFRDykxCKC04+5il0L/4jeeprTU+EqD9u56WhcXStSkWEdB39EMcDCcaqc7ET cCfdUGpISUuwT6qVnRZibg9os0JQHCr04SkKREM8ZrpKJnXBid5+zI/NTMuHzPsV ciw7qJGwSAw= =U5Q+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 06:59:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA16483 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16471 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA06395; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:57:31 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606031357.IAA06395@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Mail responders To: root@netpc.com (root) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: michael@memra.com, ctassell@isn.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "root" at Jun 1, 96 04:09:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > do you know of any perl scripts out there for doing what im asking? For a simple auto-responder type of mailbot, check out http://www.westnet.com/providers/mailbot.pl ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 07:09:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16924 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16916; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA21292; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:11:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199606031411.JAA21292@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Dial-up under FreeBSD To: exuviae@Intersurf.com (Chris) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:11:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960602155800.0067d6b8@Intersurf.com> from "Chris" at Jun 2, 96 10:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Check out www.apache.org for a good web server. Get the latest release > >version. How familiar are you with unix? Have you compiled programs > >yourself before? > I have some expierance in Unix, and already have a digiboard, I e-mailed > apache with the information, but my company doesn't want to change platforms > at the moment, they prefer to use Win NT or Win95. I understand that options Yes, without commercial software (and I can't think of any off hand to do dialup) it's probably not possible to host a dialup service with 95/NT. FreeBSD is a free unix (like Linux) for the Intel X86 processor line. There are three major versions. The release (currently 2.1), current (2.2 in progress), and stable (2.1 plus bug fixes/tested enhancements). My biased view of what's better about FreeBSD is 1. Generally more stable then Linux. 2. The team working on FreeBSD seem to be very organized, having core members that work closely together. The linux people seem not to communicate as much. (I've been away from Linux for a long time so this may have changed. 3. It seems (to me) if you have a re-peatable problem it can usually be solved or fixed fairly quickly. 4. Linux is commercialized, but has no commercial support of the core kernel ;(. > need to get this together, what is FreeBSD? i know it is an OS, and i know > Intersurf runs it, but will it support a dual OS setup? anyway thanks for > the help. If you mean being able to have FreeBSD and NT/95 on the same machine this is definitely possible. If you do this you probably want both partitions within the first 1024 cylinders of the drive (some bioses need this to work properly others don't). Then you can make other partitons after that for /usr or a data drive for NT/95. \ John Booth, Senior Programmer \ \ CIS/Infinet Op \ \john@ulantris.infinop.com, john@compsci.com \ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 08:33:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24125 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23905; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA17097; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031526.IAA17097@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "John A. Booth" cc: exuviae@intersurf.com (Chris), questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dial-up under FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 03 Jun 96 09:11:16 -0500. <199606031411.JAA21292@ulantris.infinop.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 08:26:20 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Risking going off into a tangent... I just don't like to see misconceptions about anything getting perpetuated... >to do dialup) it's probably not possible to host a dialup service with >95/NT. Actually, it depends what you're after. If you want a telnet shell account, then no, Windows NT won't do that natively. At least not without add-on commercial software. If you want dial-up PPP and/or SLIP access to the Internet, then NT is quite capable of doing that well. PPP is built in to NT, and NT Server is capable of serving many dial-in PPP and/or SLIP connections in a fashion similar to your average Unix, with many different multi-port serial boards. Now, back to the BSD-centered discussion at hand... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 20:13:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08864 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netpc.com (root@netpc.com [206.7.246.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08852 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by netpc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA01712; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:13:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:13:54 -0500 (CDT) From: root To: Troy Cobb cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Mail responders In-Reply-To: <199606012244.SAA07974@circle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried to install this package (REQ) but i had no luck under freebsd. can anyone help or come up with a way to install and get this running? > > For an automated reply system (i.e. infobot) try procmail, > or try the canned-reply example in the ORA book: > Managing Internet Information Systems > > For a trouble-ticket system, try req... ftp.ccs.neu.edu:/pub/sysadmin > > The blurb from the req distribution follows: > > Req - An email-based request tracking system > > Overview > ======== > Req is a tracking system based around this paradigm: people with problems > or questions send requests via email to a group responsible for dealing > with those issues. Those requests are assigned numbers that can be > tracked and managed in various ways. The group handling the requests > needs to have access to a UNIX computer or network. > > Req was designed for a systems administration group but could be applied > to other groups as well. > > Details > ======= > Users send request mail to an alias. (For example, in our original setup, > mail was sent to "systems" or "help".) Their mail is piped through a > program > which takes the mail, assigns it a new request number, and puts a copy of > the mail in file associated with the number. That file will be used as a > log of all the events associated with the request. > > The mail is then passed on to the recipients of the list, with the number > of the request added to the subject line of the mail. It will look > something like: > Subject: [Req #42] Help! How do I send mail? > > Any mail sent through the mail alias with a request number in the subject > line is assumed to be associated with that number, and is appended to the > log for that number. Typically, a member of the alias will reply to the > user and send a copy of the reply to the list. The reply then becomes > part of that number's log. If the user replies, the same thing happens. > > A request item has several features: > A requester, who is the person who originally requested it. > An owner, who is the person, if any, working on the request. > A priority, used by the group to prioritize requests. > A status, which indicates whether or not the request is resolved, > stalled, or open. > Several dates, indicating the time of the original request, the last > time it was updated, and the last time the user was informed of > the status. > > One may do any of these actions (and a few others) on a request: > Take it. (Assume ownership if no one else owns it.) > Give it to someone. > Change the priority. > Change the status. > Add comments to it. > > These can be done via mail, via a UNIX command line, or via any of the > interfaces that have been developed for it. Currently, the only other > interface that exists is a Tk based X interface, but an emacs client > and a curses client are under development. > > In addition, the queue of active requests may be viewed in a variety of > ways, based on owner (or lack of one), status, priority, requester, and > other features. > > Users may run a program that shows them the status of their own requests. > > We've tried to design the system to be as policy-free as possible. For > comments about how we've used it, see some other document that I need to > write. > > > Requirements > ============ > - RFC-822 compliant mail > I.e, Internet standard mail. > - sendmail > It could probably work with other mailers with some very > minor work. I should note that unless you're running version > 8.6.8 or later, you should upgrade for security reasons. > - Perl > I've only tested it on version 4.036, but it should work on older > versions. > - A C compiler and sh. > I've only built the C programs under SunOS 4.1.3 and Ultrix, but > they're pretty small and should be portable, or nearly so. > - A file system that your mail server and you as a user have access to. > NFS, AFS, whatever. But something. > > It's been tested on SunOS 4.1.3 and Ultrix 4.3, and apparently has run > on numerous other things. Yay perl. > > > Not required, but nice > ====================== > - Tcl 7.3, Tk 3.6 > For the X interface. > - Emacs > For the emacs interface. > - Glimpse > For indexing and searching the requests. Available from > ftp.cs.arizona.edu:/glimpse > > > Feedback > ======== > If you have any comments or questions, please send them to: > req@ccs.neu.edu > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 3 20:25:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09411 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from circle.net (demeter.circle.net [207.79.160.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09406 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from troy@localhost) by circle.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05626; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Arie Cobb To: root cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Mail responders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, root wrote: > I tried to install this package (REQ) but i had no luck under freebsd. can > anyone help or come up with a way to install and get this running? Hmmm, 1. what kind of problems are you having? error messages, etc. would be nice. Req seemed pretty clean to me. 2. try not to quote the entire original message in the reply, wasted bandwidth, esp. when the original is very long 3. type adduser and give yourself a nonroot account...then su to root rather than logging in as such...much more secure. Okay, whew. :) - troy Troy Arie Cobb troy@circle.net ------------------------------------------------------ | Circle Net, Inc. | global internet access | | http://www.circle.net | for western north carolina | | info@circle.net | and beyond... | | 704-254-9500 | | ------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 02:32:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA28828 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esimene.cynet.net.au (esimene.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28821 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warp.cynet.net.au (warp.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.100]) by esimene.cynet.net.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04012 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:32:41 +1000 Message-Id: <199606040932.TAA04012@esimene.cynet.net.au> From: "Mikel Lindsaar" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 19:25:39 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Help installing PHP-FI X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.00 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'Day all, it is my weekly howto question *8-} I am going about installing PHP-FI for my Apache Web server... Now, while installing PHP it complains that no -ldbm library was found.. so I wondered back the PHP site and downloaded gbm tar file, extracted it, make'd it and installed, that seems to work fine. Then tried again to install php, and again it complained that there was no -ldbm library.. so I deleted the config.cache files that php installs and tried again.. no joy. I then went into gdbm and looked around there... after a while of frustration I found a message in gdbm that becasue some systems don't have dbm librarys installed in the system, it doesn't perform some tests... could this be my problem? If so... how do I go about installing a -ldbm library on my FreeBSD 2.1.0-Release box (soon to be -stable when that tree stops swaying around like a willow)? Any pointers? Thanks. BTW... I am really thankful for the "community support" here in the FreeBSD group... damn impressive! Regards and Salutations, Mikel -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mikel Lindsaar | "If the dream is big enough, mikel@cynet.net.au | the facts don't count!" ----------------------------------------------------------- (Under Construction) http://www.cynet.net.au/~mikel/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 05:36:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA09486 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 05:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.marben.be (gatekeeper.marben.be [194.78.27.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09476 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08009 for <@gatekeeper.marben.be:freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:47:25 +0200 Received: from tarifa.marben.be(172.20.0.254) by gatekeeper.marben.be via smap (V1.3) id sma008007; Tue Jun 4 14:47:23 1996 Received: from tarifa.marben.be by tarifa via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id OAA03849; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:32 +0200 Message-ID: <31B42C2B.41C6@marben.be> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 14:29:31 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Morant Organization: Marben SA-NV X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help installing PHP-FI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------167E2781446B" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------167E2781446B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mike, hereafter a possible solution + a copy of what I've got when tryin' to answer your q? -JPM- -- Jean-Pierre Morant c/o MARBEN S.A./N.V. La vie serait tellement Boulevard du Souverain,400, Vorstlaan plus facile 1160 Bruxelles Si seulement Belgium nous avions les sources.... + 32 2 663 1130 (phone) + 32 2 663 1199 (fax) http://www.marben.be jpm@marben.be --------------167E2781446B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from gatekeeper.marben.be by tarifa via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA03093; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:01:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) with internal id MAA06866; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:19:00 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:19:00 +0200 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199606041019.MAA06866@gatekeeper.marben.be> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MAA06866.833883540/gatekeeper.marben.be" This is a MIME-encapsulated message --MAA06866.833883540/gatekeeper.marben.be The original message was received at Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:18:51 +0200 from smap@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- <@gatekeeper.marben.be:mikel@cynet.net.au> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to perki.connect.com.au.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 553 ... Mail domain not yet operational 550 <@gatekeeper.marben.be:mikel@cynet.net.au>... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- --MAA06866.833883540/gatekeeper.marben.be Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: jpm@marben.be Received: (from smap@localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06864 for <@gatekeeper.marben.be:mikel@cynet.net.au>; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:18:51 +0200 Received: from tarifa.marben.be(172.20.0.254) by gatekeeper.marben.be via smap (V1.3) id sma006862; Tue Jun 4 12:18:45 1996 Received: from tarifa.marben.be by tarifa via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA03090; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:00:59 +0200 Sender: jpm@tarifa.marben.be Message-ID: <31B4095A.15FB@marben.be> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 12:00:58 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Morant Organization: Marben SA-NV X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikel Lindsaar Subject: Re: Help installing PHP-FI References: <199606040932.TAA04012@esimene.cynet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember having to add /usr/local/lib to the library search path when compiling PHP/FI. That was the dir where my database manager puth his libraries, BTW add /usr/local/include to the include search path too - it can't do any harm ... -- Jean-Pierre Morant c/o MARBEN S.A./N.V. La vie serait tellement Boulevard du Souverain,400, Vorstlaan plus facile 1160 Bruxelles Si seulement Belgium nous avions les sources.... + 32 2 663 1130 (phone) + 32 2 663 1199 (fax) http://www.marben.be jpm@marben.be --MAA06866.833883540/gatekeeper.marben.be-- --------------167E2781446B-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 06:45:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA11933 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marikit.iphil.net (map@marikit.iphil.net [203.176.0.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11916 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from map@localhost) by marikit.iphil.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA14583; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:44:21 +0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:44:21 +0800 From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Message-Id: <199606041344.VAA14583@marikit.iphil.net> To: local-ir@apnic.net, inet-access@earth.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, linuxisp@lightning.com Posted-To: comp.security.firewalls,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Strategy for conserving IP address allocations Reply-To: map@iphil.net Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [This message has also been posted.] Hello, I'm interested in implementing firewalls, not for security, but for conserving IP addresses. As an ISP, I want to limit IP address usage, and want to give large IP address blocks to downstream ISPs only. So far, I've had success with using the RFC 1918 space (192.168.0.0 and company) for client networks. However, this requires application level proxies for everything that has to get out. Up to now, it has been fine, since proxies are readily available for WWW and NNTP, the TIS plug-gw is fine for apps like irc, and e-mail requires no proxies. Now, I want to make the use of RFC 1918 space REQUIRED -- that is, it is official company policy NOT to give world- routable IP addresses to non-ISPs. However, I know there will be the demand for apps that require real IPs. (Any success story with things like 'udprelay'? Expensive Network Address Translators are out of the question.) For these, I want to assign a small pool of real IPs, dynamically assigned from a free pool. This is much like how dynamic IPs are assigned to dialup PPP users, except in this case, I'm assigning larger chunks, like /28's to /26's. Assume that my internal routers can handle the routing updates for these via OSPF. The main problem I foresee is the client-end software, mostly Windows 3.1 (Trumpet Winsock), Windows for Workgroups, and Windows 95 clients, which AFAIK can only assign one IP per interface. Ideally, I want these systems to respond to both the 192.168.0.x addresses for internal purposes and Intranets, and the 203.176.x.x (my APNIC-assigned networks) for the apps that want real IP, at the same time. If not, at least a convenient way to switch between the two sets of IPs, since the router can have multiple IPs on the same Ethernet interface and server as gateway between the two. When the interface IP changes, the default router should change, too. Any comments or suggestions? I think the first hurdle to overcome is making end-user systems respond to more than one IP -- I'd appreciate any clues on how to do it, if possible. After that, I would suppose a DHCP server on the network or router can assign the real IPs. Anyone doing this in the real world? My available tools are Cisco routers, and Linux and FreeBSD systems. [Posted to comp.security.firewalls and comp.protocols.tcp-ip. Posted to local-ir@apnic.net, the APNIC mailing list, since I want to follow the "spirit of the law" when it comes to conserving IP allocations; I'm currently at /20, but want to stop at /19. Posted to inet-access@earth.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, and linuxisp@lightning.com to see if other ISPs (especially with my platforms) are doing, or are contemplating it] Thanks! -- miguel a.l. paraz iphil communications, makati city, tech problems, to philippines. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 06:54:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA12330 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12325 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA07359; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:52:53 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606041352.IAA07359@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Mail responders To: troy@circle.net (Troy Arie Cobb) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Troy Arie Cobb" at Jun 3, 96 11:25:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, root wrote: > > I tried to install this package (REQ) but i had no luck under freebsd. can > > anyone help or come up with a way to install and get this running? > > Hmmm, > > 1. what kind of problems are you having? error messages, etc. would be nice. > Req seemed pretty clean to me. *grin* Installing it on a 2.0.5R system, I had to edit two files to make it work. The build directory's Makefile didn't include an explicit rule to make four of the five binaries. And there was something about a time function, maybe ftime, that I did a gross butcher job on because I wasn't interested in figuring out the right way to fix it. Did you run into either of these two problems? ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 07:56:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19224 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19217 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.kada.lt (alpha.kada.lt [193.219.13.141]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id HAA01158 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dara by alpha.kada.lt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07May96-1013AM) id AA00636; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:31:52 +0300 Message-Id: <9606041031.AA00636@alpha.kada.lt> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Darius Ramanauskas" Organization: State Land Cadastre Ent. To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:38:43 +0000 Subject: Again Virtual HOSTS Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, We are young ISP. I want to have few Virtual Domains. It is not a problem to configure our computer (I have done it already) the main problem is with registration. To register domain we need two NS which will have data about that domain (primary and secondary for examle). Right now we have just one computer and it runs one 'named' and are primary. So, I need that someone will run secondory. It is not a problem if I will have 2 or 3 virtual domains, but if 20-30 or more. Is it posible to hack this with just one computer? I'm sorry if this question breach of the peace in unix world ;-) Darius e-mail: dara@hq.tdd.lt http://www.tdd.lt From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 09:30:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23577 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23572 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA07696; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:24:44 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606041624.LAA07696@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Again Virtual HOSTS To: dara@alpha.kada.lt (Darius Ramanauskas) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9606041031.AA00636@alpha.kada.lt> from "Darius Ramanauskas" at Jun 4, 96 01:38:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello All, > > We are young ISP. I want to have few Virtual Domains. It is not a > problem to configure our computer (I have done it already) the main > problem is with registration. > > To register domain we need two NS which will have data about that > domain (primary and secondary for examle). Right now we have just one > computer and it runs one 'named' and are primary. So, I need that someone > will run secondory. It is not a problem if I will have 2 or 3 virtual > domains, but if 20-30 or more. > > Is it posible to hack this with just one computer? Of course it is POSSIBLE to do it with just one computer. But you do NOT want to do that! If that one machine crashes or goes off the air, your domains are totally dead and nonexistent. Even having a secondary machine is not all that much better. Network outages, etc., all happen. You really want to have an off-site secondary, preferably with very little in common with your own network connection. Find another small ISP and arrange to mutually provide secondary service for each other. That is the BEST solution. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 11:30:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02341 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radio.nwpros.com (radio.nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02335 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rickbox.nwpros.com (rickbox.nwpros.com [205.229.128.217]) by radio.nwpros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02411 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:37:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604184131.00692ae8@nwpros.com> X-Sender: rickg@nwpros.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 13:41:31 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rick Gray Subject: Install Problems Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Micropolis 9 Gig and am having difficulty installing on it. I have installed FBSD 201R without trouble on a Micropolis 4 Gig. I do have the / directory below 1024 (750). At first I got a BIOS error message and thought I installed it incorrectly. The 2nd and 3rd reinstalls though caused a reboot when trying to find the kernel. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. *********************************************************** Rick Gray Network Pros, Inc. rickg@nwpros.com "It is a good day to die." ----Klingon Philosophy *********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 12:50:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08292 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08286 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA11108 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:06:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FWTK / BSD Checklist (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:36:42 -0500 (CDT) From: David Schnardthorst To: firewalls@GreatCircle.COM Subject: FWTK / BSD Checklist A few weeks ago, I answered some replies for people who were installing the Firewall Toolkit on FreeBSD. Due to the overwhelming responses from people interested in receiving this checklist, I have put it at the following URL, http://www.strydr.com/misc/checklists/fwtkchk.html. Thank You, ============================================================================ David Schnardthorst, Systems/Network Eng. * Phone: (314)838-6839 Stryder Communications, Inc. * Fax: (314)838-8527 869 St. Francois * E-Mail: ds3721@strydr.com Florissant, MO 63031 * URL: http://www.strydr.com ============================================================================ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 13:28:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11064 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11044 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02133 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Watson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RAID systems for freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Im looking into getting a raid system for us were running all FreeBSD cans here. Management wants one so were getting one.. I would MUCH rather keep it an all fbsd camp i dont want an NT or anyother garbage on my lan. Is there ANY RAID controlles and subsystems supported by freebsd or BSDI 2.0 that i can run the binaries from. im running -stable Any help IS appreciated. Scanner -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net http://www.freebsd.org | SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Security ===================================| Member BSDNET team! http://www.bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 13:48:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12283 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wizard.pn.com (root@wizard.pn.com [204.96.36.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12278 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auntiem.pn.com (bb@auntiem.pn.com [205.136.64.14]) by wizard.pn.com (8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA32397; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:48:03 -0400 Received: (bb@localhost) by auntiem.pn.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18176; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:57:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:57:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042057.QAA18176@auntiem.pn.com> From: Brian Bartholomew To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Chris Watson Subject: Re: RAID systems for freebsd Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Im looking into getting a raid system for us were running all > FreeBSD cans here. Management wants one so were getting one.. I > would MUCH rather keep it an all fbsd camp i dont want an NT or > anyother garbage on my lan. Is there ANY RAID controlles and > subsystems supported by freebsd or BSDI If freebsd has the drivers, I can recommend the DPT Scsi cards based on my experience with them in Interactive Unix boxes. These will do mirroring at the controller level. See also http://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/ccd/ for mirroring at the OS level. Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) lpf@uunet.uu.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew - bb@pn.com - Pioneer Global Telecommunications Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 13:52:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12593 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12577 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02565; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Watson To: Brian Bartholomew cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID systems for freebsd In-Reply-To: <199606042057.QAA18176@auntiem.pn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Brian Bartholomew wrote: > If freebsd has the drivers, I can recommend the DPT Scsi cards based > on my experience with them in Interactive Unix boxes. These will do > mirroring at the controller level. See also > http://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/ccd/ for mirroring at the OS level. Thats my problem freebsd doesnt have any raid controllers supported that i know of now. Im sure there on their way but i cant wait, the "higher ups" want it now. and i REALLY dont want to have any foreign OS trash on ym perfect little fbsd lan :) -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net http://www.freebsd.org | SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Security ===================================| Member BSDNET team! http://www.bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 14:10:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14056 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14034 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23611; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606042109.OAA23611@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Bartholomew cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Chris Watson Subject: Re: RAID systems for freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:57:37 -0400. <199606042057.QAA18176@auntiem.pn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 14:09:42 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Im looking into getting a raid system for us were running all >> FreeBSD cans here. Management wants one so were getting one.. I >> would MUCH rather keep it an all fbsd camp i dont want an NT or >> anyother garbage on my lan. Is there ANY RAID controlles and >> subsystems supported by freebsd or BSDI >If freebsd has the drivers, I can recommend the DPT Scsi cards based >on my experience with them in Interactive Unix boxes. These will do >mirroring at the controller level. See also >http://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/ccd/ for mirroring at the OS level. There is not a DPT driver "yet". It will come in time. If you need to get something this month, don't count on it. On the other hand, you can do "RAID" 0 in software. Do a "man ccd" on any fairly recent FreeBSD or NetBSD box. I use ccd on my NetBSD box at home, and it works just great. Performance won't be as good as you'd get with a DPT controller, but it works right now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 14:29:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15396 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall (firewall.telelink.com [207.34.143.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15381 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by firewall (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA06840; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:32:30 -0700 Received: from toronto.telelink.com(207.34.143.103) by firewall via smap (V1.3) id sma006838; Tue Jun 4 14:32:24 1996 Received: from edmonton.telelink.com by telelink.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05222; Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:27:55 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:27:55 PDT From: dneum@telelink.com (Dean Neumann) Message-Id: <9606042127.AA05222@telelink.com> To: scanner@webspan.net Subject: Re: RAID systems for freebsd Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue Jun 4 1996, Chris Watson said: --------------------------------------------------------------------- > [text ommitted...] > Thats my problem > freebsd doesnt have any raid controllers supported that i know of now. > Im sure there on their way but i cant wait, the "higher ups" want it now. > and i REALLY dont want to have any foreign OS trash on ym perfect little > fbsd lan :) > [text ommitted...] --------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't comment on FreeBSD specifically, but we cross-develop onto a target platform which runs a (non-UNIX) real-time OS, and I wanted RAID support on that platform, so I too faced a driver availability issue. I chose to use RAID contollers from CMD Technology Inc. (1-800-426-3832) because they have a line of RAID controllers for which I did not require any special drivers. The controller itself slides into a half-height drive bay and connects to the SCSI bus. It then has multiple drives connected onto it's output SCSI bus (or buses). We used the OS's existing SCSI drivers and configured the OS to believe it had 1 logical SCSI drive, and the fact that the RAID controller was intercepting the SCSI commands and writing the data to different physical drives was entirely transparent to the OS. It works like a charm. Perhaps this solution will work for you as well. Good luck. Dean Neumann TeleLink Technologies Inc. dneumann@telelink.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 15:39:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20049 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chloe.dmv.com (root@chloe.dmv.com [206.30.64.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20035 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from patrick@localhost) by chloe.dmv.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07088; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:45:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Reply-To: patrick@chloe.dmv.com From: Patrick Ferguson To: Steve Reid Subject: RE: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? Cc: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu May 30 00:30:25 1996 Steve Reid wrote: >>This is strange... Has anyone else seen this happen? > >Last night one of the machines I admin, spock.edmweb.com [204.244.190.2] >went down, or so it seemed. I (inside the LAN) was unable to ping Spock, and >another person outside was also unable to ping that machine. > >I went to the console today fully expecting I would have to reboot the >machine, but when I got there everything was fine... It had never actually >gone down. uptime showed it had never crashed and/or rebooted. All of the >processes were still running. The log files showed nothing out of the >ordinary, and syslog had placed it's mark messages at the proper >intervals. > >It appears as though the machine lost it's network connection (ethernet) >then got it back... netstat -in shows a few hundred 'Oerrors' which seems >to confirm that the network connection was lost. > >The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and >SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC >EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. There is a Cyclades >Cyclom 8yo installed, which is not really being used yet. Running FreeBSD >2.1.0-RELEASE with the /sys/netinet/in_rmx.c from -stable to correct the >Proxy ARP bug. > >The only thing the machine was really doing at the time was hosting the >Chatnet IRC bots. The bots disappeared from IRC, and when the connection >came back they were still gone from IRC, but their proccesses were still >running. > >I would guess maybe this is an ARP problem, but I don't know. I've never >seen it happen before. Has anyone else seen this? > > >===================================================================== >| Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | >| Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | >| PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | >| -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | >===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 15:42:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20299 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20292 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chloe.dmv.com (chloe.dmv.com [206.30.64.31]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA09371 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:41:14 -0700 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by chloe.dmv.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07181; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:46:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Reply-To: patrick@chloe.dmv.com From: Patrick Ferguson To: Steve Reid Subject: RE: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? Cc: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu May 30 00:30:25 1996 Steve Reid wrote: >>This is strange... Has anyone else seen this happen? > > >It appears as though the machine lost it's network connection (ethernet) >then got it back... netstat -in shows a few hundred 'Oerrors' which seems >to confirm that the network connection was lost. > Only when someone unplugged the terminator from the back of their computer. Which happened just the other day. All the machines on the net came back except the one computer. The console was fine, but no network connection. Had to reboot the machine. >running. > >I would guess maybe this is an ARP problem, but I don't know. I've never >seen it happen before. Has anyone else seen this? > > >===================================================================== >| Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | >| Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | >| PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | >| -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | >===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 15:51:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20880 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20875 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA17701; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:54:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199606042254.RAA17701@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? To: patrick@chloe.dmv.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Patrick Ferguson" at Jun 4, 96 06:45:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Thu May 30 00:30:25 1996 Steve Reid wrote: > >>This is strange... Has anyone else seen this happen? > > > >Last night one of the machines I admin, spock.edmweb.com [204.244.190.2] > >went down, or so it seemed. I (inside the LAN) was unable to ping Spock, and > >another person outside was also unable to ping that machine. I'd say check network memory buffers. If the IRC bots are really active they could be generated lots of packets depending on how well they're written. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 16:02:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21238 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21232 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA19249; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:17:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Chris Watson cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID systems for freebsd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Chris Watson wrote: > Im looking into getting a raid system for us were running all FreeBSD cans > here. Management wants one so were getting one.. I would MUCH rather keep > it an all fbsd camp i dont want an NT or anyother garbage on my lan. > > Is there ANY RAID controlles and subsystems supported by freebsd or BSDI > 2.0 that i can run the binaries from. Try a SCSI-SCSI unit like the DAC960SI that works on *ANY* platform. It doesn't require any OS support at all. http://www.mylex.com But first, phone them and ask if they support FreeBSD on their other DAC960 models. When they say "no" make sure to ask them when they will start supporting FreeBSD. If they say something about Linux, make sure to tell them that if Linux drivers are available with "source code" then it can easily be ported to FreeBSD for them. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 16:46:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23387 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tweety.bhp.com.au (tweety.bhp.com.au [192.83.224.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23374 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gossamer (gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au [134.18.115.254]) by tweety.bhp.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA00788 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:45:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au (netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au [152.153.40.126]) by gossamer (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA00218 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:45:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from abevin (abevin.nzsakl.bhp.com.au [152.153.41.20]) by netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13104 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:45:23 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <31B4BCB3.5A32@nzsakl.bhp.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 11:46:11 +1300 From: Andrew Bevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pppd questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm a small isp in New Zealand running FreeBSD 2.1 Stable. I am currently using pppd with PAP authentation. I have pppd running directly on the dialin ports rather than getty. I have PAP using the 'login' feature where it uses the password file and updates wtmp. Due to the way I am billed I charge by IP traffic rather than time, therefore it is easier for me to allocate fixed IP addresses to my users. At the moment I have to tell by users to enter their IP address in there TCP setup rather than have my server allocate them an IP address. I cant find a way to allocate the users their IP address on connect. pppd can set the IP addresses that users _can_ have via pap_secrets but pppd doesnt force the user to have that IP address. I can't user ~/.ppprc as it seems that pppd is not reading the ~/.ppprc file as the user is not actually logging into the server. Does any one know how I can allocate the IP address on a user basis? With PAP and the 'login' option pppd is adding an entry to wtmp, but it doesn't seem to be updating wtmp it when the user exits. I could look at this myself, but I wonder if it is something that is being looked at at the moment? Despite runnning Stable I am still getting the left over arp entries appearing after a user falls off the system. At the moment I have a script that deletes these entries every 5 minutes. Is there a solution imminent? TIA Andrew Bevin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 17:43:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25539 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25520 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA26010; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:59:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Andrew Bevin cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd questions In-Reply-To: <31B4BCB3.5A32@nzsakl.bhp.com.au> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Andrew Bevin wrote: > Due to the way I am > billed I charge by IP traffic rather than time, therefore it is easier > for me to allocate fixed IP addresses to my users. Don't do this. You will run out of addresses and then the registry (APNIC) will not give you any more so you'll be screwed, Better figure out how to bill this way using dynamic IP's. This shouldn't be that hard. > At the moment I have to tell by users to enter their IP address in there > TCP setup rather than have my server allocate them an IP address. Well, we've solved that one. > I can't user ~/.ppprc as > it seems that pppd is not reading the ~/.ppprc file as the user is not > actually logging into the server. You need to change this so the user IS logging into the server so you can associate IP and username for billing. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 17:56:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26480 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26474 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00419; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:55:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Andrew Bevin cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd questions In-Reply-To: <31B4BCB3.5A32@nzsakl.bhp.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At the moment I have to tell by users to enter their IP address in there > TCP setup rather than have my server allocate them an IP address. I cant > find a way to allocate the users their IP address on connect. pppd can > set the IP addresses that users _can_ have via pap_secrets but pppd > doesnt force the user to have that IP address. I can't user ~/.ppprc as > it seems that pppd is not reading the ~/.ppprc file as the user is not > actually logging into the server. Does any one know how I can allocate > the IP address on a user basis? Try putting the -ip option in your pppd.options file. That should disable IP address negotiation, forcing the client to use what the server says. I'm using this option for dynamic IP allocation, since it forces the client to use the IP address specified in the options.tty* file. > Despite runnning Stable I am still getting the left over arp entries > appearing after a user falls off the system. At the moment I have a > script that deletes these entries every 5 minutes. Is there a solution > imminent? The fix in -stable doesn't prevent the ARP entries from sitting around, but it prevents them from being a problem. Your script is probably unnecessary. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 17:57:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26573 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26567 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00426; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Andrew Bevin , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Try putting the -ip option in your pppd.options file. That should disable Oops... With pppd, file is /etc/ppp/options ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 4 18:11:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28971 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28962 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00443; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:10:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Patrick Ferguson cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >It appears as though the machine lost it's network connection (ethernet) > >then got it back... netstat -in shows a few hundred 'Oerrors' which seems > >to confirm that the network connection was lost. > > Only when someone unplugged the terminator from the back of their > computer. Which happened just the other day. All the machines on the net > came back except the one computer. The console was fine, but no network > connection. Had to reboot the machine. Doesn't sound like the same problem... AFAIK, nobody messed with the network (I'm the only person who's not afraid of the thing). Only the one machine disappeared, and it came back without any operator intervention. It hasn't happened again, so I'm not too worried about it. It always bugs me, though, when I come across a problem I can't figure. :-/ ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 00:09:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15453 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neptune.pristine.com.tw ([192.72.150.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15441 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from team_fbf@localhost) by neptune.pristine.com.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA16105; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:04:23 GMT From: ywliu Message-Id: <199606051504.PAA16105@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Subject: Re: Anybody using FreeBSD as a Radius client ? To: map@iphil.net (Miguel A.L. Paraz) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:04:23 +0000 () Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605310723.PAA05475@marikit.iphil.net> from "Miguel A.L. Paraz" at May 31, 96 03:23:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Michael Dillon wrote: > > > The Linux people have been working on this. There are at least two > > versions of RADIUS enable login and one of RADIUS enabled PPP (using PAP). > > Lars Fennebergs' 'radiusclient' also works under FreeBSD, though > he developed it, and I use it primarily, under Linux. Highly recommended! > [though I always fail to send him the required postcard!] Where can I get that radiusclient ? Yen-Wei Liu From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 04:42:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA17945 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 04:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA17938 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 04:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (uts.net2.io.org [199.43.113.9]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA01264 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:41:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:41:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199606051141.HAA01264@io.org> X-Sender: coventry@mail.io.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: coventry@io.org (graydon hoare) Subject: feature list Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi y'all. I know there is an official FAQ feature list, but I am attempting to gather information to present an accurate comparison between FreeBSD and Solaris/x86 as ISP OSs'... Was wondering if anyone could confirm for sure the day-to-day operation of the following services under FreeBSD and possibly comment on their ease-of-build and reliability, either alone or in comparison to Solaris/x86 if you have experience with it: BIND/NAMED GATED/ROUTED Usenet/INN/UUCP Sendmail/SMTP Apache/HTTPD Ftp/TFTPD/FTPD Also: has anyone loaded their OS from the network or have you found the CDROM from walnut creek to be a better route? thanks very much for your time and input. -graydon From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 05:55:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA25441 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 05:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ptavv.nsta.org (ptavv.gfoster.com [199.0.2.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25432 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 05:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by ptavv.nsta.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA00308; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199606051254.IAA00308@ptavv.nsta.org> To: coventry@io.org CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606051141.HAA01264@io.org> (coventry@io.org) Subject: Re: feature list Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Caveat: My experience with Solaris has been mostly on Sparcs, not on Intel. I have about six years of experience with Sparcs (SunOs and Solaris) and aboiut four with Unix on Intel (SCO, UnixWare, Solaris, FreeBSD, BSD/OS, and others). I am not an ISP but I do Unix consulting for several ISPs in the Washington DC area and their customers. These ISPs typically use BSD/OS, Solaris, and FreeBSD in about that order of popularity. The ones who are using FreeBSD have the fewest recurring problems and spend the least amount of time fussing with their internal systems, Solaris is the worst of the three for reliability. WRT the specific applications you list below, both OS's run them fine and they all build "out of the box." However, Solaris is wedded to NIS. If you choose not to run NIS, once in a while a host lookup non-event will catch you by surprise (e.g. a `who` will not return a hostname but an IP address instead). Nothing fatal but it can be annoying. Also, Solaris is not as complete as FreeBSD (e.g. FreeBSD allows you to see what each sendmail process is doing when you run the ps(1) command, Solaris doesn't). FreeBSD is significantly less memory hungry and faster on the same hardware. This is especially noticeable in X windows. OTOH, there are lots of commercial apps for Solaris and very few for FreeBSD. One other factor that may be of importance, the FreeBSD core team has made it easy to have all upgrades and patches be applied to your system over the net (see the CTM and sup docs). This is in stark contrast to Sun whose OS patch system is painful. WRT installation, I have done both over-the-net and cdrom installs. Both work fine but I prefer the cdrom especially on a slow net connection. If I was installing on a system without a cdrom, I would use the net rather than install a cdrom drive, it is really easy and almost bullet-proof. Buy the cdrom, you will sleep better at nights knowing that you can reinstall part or all of your system without needing net resources. >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:41:54 -0400 >From: coventry@io.org (graydon hoare) > >Hi y'all. I know there is an official FAQ feature list, but I am >attempting to gather information to present an accurate comparison >between FreeBSD and Solaris/x86 as ISP OSs'... > >Was wondering if anyone could confirm for sure the day-to-day operation of the >following services under FreeBSD and possibly comment on their ease-of-build >and reliability, either alone or in comparison to Solaris/x86 if you have >experience with it: > >BIND/NAMED >GATED/ROUTED >Usenet/INN/UUCP >Sendmail/SMTP >Apache/HTTPD >Ftp/TFTPD/FTPD > >Also: has anyone loaded their OS from the network or have you found the >CDROM from walnut creek to be a better route? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 07:01:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02449 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02442 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA08889; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:00:01 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606051400.JAA08889@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: feature list To: coventry@io.org (graydon hoare) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:00:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606051141.HAA01264@io.org> from "graydon hoare" at Jun 5, 96 07:41:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi y'all. I know there is an official FAQ feature list, but I am > attempting to gather information to present an accurate comparison > between FreeBSD and Solaris/x86 as ISP OSs'... Forget Solaris/x86. If you are going to run Solaris, run it on SPARC. > Was wondering if anyone could confirm for sure the day-to-day operation of the > following services under FreeBSD and possibly comment on their ease-of-build > and reliability, either alone or in comparison to Solaris/x86 if you have > experience with it: > > BIND/NAMED > GATED/ROUTED > Usenet/INN/UUCP > Sendmail/SMTP > Apache/HTTPD > Ftp/TFTPD/FTPD They all work well under both OS's. Given that, you have to examine the merits and disadvantages of each. I'll be blunt. Hopefully nobody takes anything personally. You (can) get support from Sun with Solaris. I'm not sure if that's a benefit or a disadvantage. You get support for FreeBSD from Usenet, the mailing lists, or your local FreeBSD hacker. It is an advantage if it works :-) I have about 80% success getting FreeBSD problems resolved. Of course out at MEI we have a Solaris Advantage Plus support contract and I have about a 20% success rate getting Solaris problems solved through Sun.. hmm You get source for FreeBSD for free. You get source for Solaris for a very large sum of money. Having access to both, I will suggest that I prefer the FreeBSD sources. :-) FreeBSD is actively growing and comes from the same type of relatively non-commercial development environment that spawned the software packages you mentioned above. You are encouraged to participate and be part of the process. It would be a cold day in hell before you can get a "fix" or "patch" you came up with included in Solaris. Sun has a full time fleet of engineers developing Solaris. FreeBSD has a rather varied set of participants, most of which work on it part time. Sun has a less aggressive timeframe for OS releases. FreeBSD has a more aggressive timeframe that is rarely met (but still better than Sun). Sun has a nifty system to manage components of their system, which is supposedly a great benefit during an upgrade. FreeBSD doesn't and at least me, myself, I find FreeBSD upgrades to be less traumatic because I don't end up worrying about which things might have broken, and where they are buried away. Sun makes decisions based on perceived trends in the marketplace. Favorite sore points are the "4.1.3 end of life" (after which they bowed to pressure and released 4.1.4), the constant removal and re-addition of functions in their C library, and other gratuitous changes. FreeBSD developers tend to make decisions based on historical and religious issues, and in my opinion manage to develop a more stable system with a clear sense of direction and purpose. Solaris costs. FreeBSD doesn't. FreeBSD's performance on a platform will generally far surpass Solaris. Solaris is slow and piggy. I have run both FreeBSD and Solaris on various machines. My favorite was a 386DX/40 with 16MB RAM and a decent SCSI system. FreeBSD and X11 ran OK. It was not "zippy" by any means but it was quite useable and one could compile things and do simple things without any perceived bogginess. When I tried to load Solaris alongside it, it blew the disk geometry and overwrote my FreeBSD partition, and was very painful to use. Getting OpenWinblows to run was like sheer agony. Don't even consider actually DOING anything :-) I attribute this to the zillion levels of indirection that appear to be present in every portion of Solaris. Generality is a good thing but too much generality slows you down. Solaris has lots of commercial software. Look again and you'll see much/most of it is for SPARC. FreeBSD has a lot of noncommercial software (well Solaris does too)... Sun SPARC is a well built, well designed platform. It is UNUSUAL!!!! to see hardware incompatibilities or other bizarre problems. The PC world is very perilous and you must select your hardware very carefully. Try expanding a PC to 256MB of RAM. You'll want a Triton-II MB, but they don't MAKE 64MB SIMM's that will work... (current gripe of mine). Solaris has lots of cool things not available under FreeBSD.. PrestoServes (SPARC only), Online DiskSuite, extensive performance monitoring tools (that very few people know how to use), WABI, real threads, etc. Some people will claim that system X is less buggy. I'll make a generic counterproposal and say it's not true. All OS's are buggy. I have seen extremely {un,}stable {Solaris,FreeBSD} systems. You have to commit the time and money to create a stable system. Sun has a win here because you can pay Sun to do it for you. For the kinds of things I see an ISP doing, I can perhaps make a case for SPARC Solaris. I have a real hard time seeing Solaris/x86 over something like FreeBSD though. FreeBSD supports all the things you want for providing Internet information services, and does so very well. Why pay for something that will do the same things, but slower? There are, therefore, two basic categories: Money to burn: If you have money to burn, go the Sun SPARC route, get a really fast machine, purchase full support, and never worry about it again. Cost conscious: If you are trying to be cost conscious, consider FreeBSD and a well designed and researched PC platform. Putting Solaris on a PC platform is a combination of burning money (OS) and cost consciousness (platform) that does not make sense to me. > Also: has anyone loaded their OS from the network or have you found the > CDROM from walnut creek to be a better route? > > thanks very much for your time and input. > -graydon I set up a local FreeBSD archive and I always install via ftp from it. The net install is very nice, I'm guaranteed to have a network on any machine I build, I'm virtually guaranteed not to have a CDROM :-) You can set up Solaris to load from the net too. SPARC isn't too bad but I gave up and threw up my hands in disgust at the x86 attempts. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 07:29:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04182 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03715 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA16511; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:09:28 +0400 (AMT) From: "Edgar V.S. Der-Danieliantz" Message-Id: <199606051409.SAA16511@aic.net> Subject: Re: feature list To: gfoster@gfoster.com (Glen Foster) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:09:27 +0400 (AMT) Cc: coventry@io.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606051254.IAA00308@ptavv.nsta.org> from "Glen Foster" at Jun 5, 96 08:54:46 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have about six years of experience with Sparcs (SunOs and Solaris) > and aboiut four with Unix on Intel (SCO, UnixWare, Solaris, FreeBSD, > BSD/OS, and others). I am not an ISP but I do Unix consulting for > several ISPs in the Washington DC area and their customers. These > ISPs typically use BSD/OS, Solaris, and FreeBSD in about that order of > popularity. The ones who are using FreeBSD have the fewest recurring > problems and spend the least amount of time fussing with their > internal systems, Solaris is the worst of the three for reliability. wow. Will you be so kind to tell me why solaris is the worst? To my knowledge and experience, solaris one of the most reliable unixes around, IMHO. We're using sco4.2, solaris2.5, and freebsd2.1, and the worst for everything is sco. we had no problems with freebsd neither with solaris.... > > WRT the specific applications you list below, both OS's run them fine > and they all build "out of the box." However, Solaris is wedded to > NIS. If you choose not to run NIS, once in a while a host lookup > non-event will catch you by surprise (e.g. a `who` will not return a > hostname but an IP address instead). Nothing fatal but it can be if you've configured it correctly, it'll act as necessary :-) > annoying. Also, Solaris is not as complete as FreeBSD (e.g. FreeBSD > allows you to see what each sendmail process is doing when you run the > ps(1) command, Solaris doesn't). FreeBSD is significantly less memory oh ma god. Please don't forget: Solaris is SVR4, FreeBSD is 4.4BSD... > hungry and faster on the same hardware. This is especially noticeable > in X windows. OTOH, there are lots of commercial apps for Solaris and > very few for FreeBSD. and lots of free apps for Solaris :)! > > One other factor that may be of importance, the FreeBSD core team has > made it easy to have all upgrades and patches be applied to your > system over the net (see the CTM and sup docs). This is in stark > contrast to Sun whose OS patch system is painful. maybe it was painful with 1.1, 2.3 and 2.4. starting from 2.5 it is relatively easy... > > WRT installation, I have done both over-the-net and cdrom installs. > Both work fine but I prefer the cdrom especially on a slow net > connection. If I was installing on a system without a cdrom, I would > use the net rather than install a cdrom drive, it is really easy and > almost bullet-proof. Buy the cdrom, you will sleep better at nights > knowing that you can reinstall part or all of your system without > needing net resources. > agreed :) -edd From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 16:03:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14154 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14135 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00293; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:02:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: graydon hoare cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD install over the network In-Reply-To: <199606051141.HAA01264@io.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [FBSD vs Solaris question snipped] > Also: has anyone loaded their OS from the network or have you found the > CDROM from walnut creek to be a better route? If you don't have an internet connection yet, or if your connection is not very fast, here's what you do: -Make sure all your machines have a FBSD supported ethernet card -Install a cheap (but FBSD supported) CDROM drive on _one_ machine -Use the Walnut Creek CD to install FBSD on the machine with the CDROM -Set up the machine with the CDROM drive so that the /cdrom dir is available for anonymous FTP -Install FBSD on the other machines via FTP from the local CDROM machine Werks grate. Probably the fastest installation, and only requires one CDROM drive. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 18:27:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22433 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mnemosyne.muse.com.au (router.muse.com.au [203.26.7.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22412 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by mnemosyne.muse.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA05093; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:27:03 +1000 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:27:03 +1000 (EST) From: Richard Beyer To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 19:32:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25834 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mnemosyne.muse.com.au (router.muse.com.au [203.26.7.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25826 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by mnemosyne.muse.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05355; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:32:25 +1000 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:32:25 +1000 (EST) From: Richard Beyer To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can anyone point me to a tutorial on setting virtual domains (specifically for web). Cheers, Richard. .......................................................................... Muse Productions P/L If you could be as life to me WWW : http://www.muse.com.au/ And I your love be death Email : inspired@muse.com.au A kiss would serve to set you free Phone : +61 03 347098 And steal your final breath Fax : +61 03 347270 .......................................................................... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 20:48:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00596 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hopf.dnai.com (hopf.dnai.com [140.174.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00591; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA13399; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:39:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dror Matalon Reply-To: Dror Matalon To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, We're using an NCR 53c825 wide scsi controller with 3 Quantum XP34300W 4.3 Fast Wide SCSI drives on a pentium 133 as our news machine. We started getting the messages: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error , retries:4 sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error , retries:3 ... These messages always complain about 2 addresses 7476a9 and 747d9d. We suspect that these are on the swap area of the first disk. 1. Is there a way to take care of this problem other than swaping out the disk? Could we somehow mark these areas as bad? 2. My number 1 frustration with FreeBsd/Unix on a PC is related to the number of SCSI errors that we're running into. We might be at fault for not running the computer room cool enough, and the PC type of SCSI connectors/cables might also be the problem -- we only recently started using Granite's custom made SCSI cables. Still we've had close to 20% mortality rate on our SCSI disks. Are other people also experiencing these kind or problems? Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 5 22:55:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05350 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05345; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA28368; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:10:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Dror Matalon cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Dror Matalon wrote: > Quantum XP34300W 4.3 Fast Wide SCSI drives on a pentium 133 > as our news machine. News servers eat drives. No matter what type of drive, they just wear out and die. > 2. My number 1 frustration with FreeBsd/Unix on a PC is related to > the number of SCSI errors that we're running into. We might be at > fault for not running the computer room cool enough, Computer room??? How about the case where the drives are? Most clone cases have NO (that's zero) airflow engineering done. The only way to be sure that the drives are running cool enough (especially 7200 RPM drives) is to mount them with space in between (an inch or so) and mount extra fans that blow air across the top of the drive. When you open the case and remove the bad drive, stick your finger on top. If it burns so badly that it blisters, you need more cooling. Even if it's only hot, add more airflow anyway. > recently started using Granite's custom made SCSI cables. Still > we've had close to 20% mortality rate on our SCSI disks. Are other > people also experiencing these kind or problems? Almost everybody who runs news servers. Go into your machine room any time day or night and you hear drives rattling constantly. Go put your ear against the news server, that's the one that NEVER stops rattling. The others actually go in fits and starts. It helps to really cool things down a lot, i.e. air conditioned machine room that you need to put on a sweater when you go in. It also helps to use RAID (http://www.mylex.com DAC960SI) because it lessens the physical activity on any one drive to some extent. And the special fans to blow air across the top of each individual drive. The nice thing about a DAC960 is that with a proper hot-swap chassis and RAID 5, replacing a drive doesn't shut anything down. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 04:11:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA18801 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 04:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18781; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 04:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04720; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:10:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:10:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Dror Matalon cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI , issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Dror Matalon wrote: > Hi Folks, > > We're using an NCR 53c825 wide scsi controller with 3 > Quantum XP34300W 4.3 Fast Wide SCSI drives on a pentium 133 > as our news machine. > > We started getting the messages: > sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error > , retries:4 > sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error > , retries:3 > ... > > These messages always complain about 2 addresses 7476a9 and 747d9d. > We suspect that these are on the swap area of the first disk. Very interesting, I had a bad experience almost a year ago where a system ate two of these Quantum XP34300 drives in two months, and it wasn't a news server! This was a P133 with AHA-2940 with FreeBSD 2.0.5. What I'd noticed in both cases was that when lots of seek activity occurs, occasionally, the drive would stop seeking and a loud "ringing" sound would be heard from the drive for a couple of seconds, and then it would continue seeking. I've seen this in a couple of other vendor's drives as well. I suspect that the head/arm mechanism may start resonating due to the speed at which the seeks are being done, and this may lead to head crashes. In the case of the Quantum drives, both drives, when they failed, had bad spots all over the disks! I don't think the problem was related to heat, as the drive was in an external enclosure with its own fan. After two disks suffering the same fate, I switched the disk for a Seagate and all the problems went away! Bleeding edge technology? Maybe! Andrew Webster - andrew@pubnix.net - http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal - Connected to the world - Branche au monde 514-990-5911 - P.O. Box 147, Cote St-Luc, Quebec, H4V 2Y3 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 04:42:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20215 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 04:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip86-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20208; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 04:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA17307; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:46:38 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199606061146.HAA17307@hda> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: dror@hopf.dnai.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dror Matalon" at Jun 5, 96 08:45:26 pm Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi Folks, > > We're using an NCR 53c825 wide scsi controller with 3 > Quantum XP34300W 4.3 Fast Wide SCSI drives on a pentium 133 > as our news machine. > > We started getting the messages: > sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error > , retries:4 > sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7476a9 asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error > , retries:3 > ... > This indicates that the drive can't read those blocks. Even if you have automatic read and write reallocation enabled the drive won't reallocate on a read failure. You should: 1. Check that you do have AWRE and ARRE on in mode page 1 - see how to use the mode page editor in scsi(8) to check and change this; 2. Once these are on, you can map out the block by writing anything to that block. You will change the data on the disk. Alternatively, this UNTESTED script should map it out (sorry, I don't have any disks with bad blocks on line): ++Start of scsiremap: #!/bin/sh PATH="/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"; export PATH RAW= usage() { echo "Usage: scsiremap raw-device-name block" 1>&2 exit 2 } shift $(($OPTIND - 1)) if [ $# -ne 2 ] ; then usage fi RAW=$1 BLOCK=$2 if [ "x$RAW" = "x" ] ; then usage fi if expr "$RAW" : 'sd[0-9][0-9]*$' > /dev/null ; then # generic disk name given, convert to control device name RAW="/dev/r${RAW}.ctl" fi scsi -f $RAW -c "7 0 0 0 0 0" -o 8 "0 0 4:i2 v:i4" $BLOCK --End scsiremap. (block can be either decimal or hex if preceded by 0x) This isn't a general utility because I don't know that this is the right thing to do. What does the drive do for that data it can't read? It doesn't say what in the SCSI spec. Is it better to turn off ECC, read as much as you can from the block, then write it back forcing the slip? Do you want to restore from backups? Etc. > These messages always complain about 2 addresses 7476a9 and 747d9d. > We suspect that these are on the swap area of the first disk. > > 1. Is there a way to take care of this problem other than swaping > out the disk? Could we somehow mark these areas as bad? > > 2. My number 1 frustration with FreeBsd/Unix on a PC is related to > the number of SCSI errors that we're running into. We might be at > fault for not running the computer room cool enough, and the PC > type of SCSI connectors/cables might also be the problem -- we only > recently started using Granite's custom made SCSI cables. Still > we've had close to 20% mortality rate on our SCSI disks. Are other > people also experiencing these kind or problems? If you are swapping out disks because you are developing read errors then: You have to figure out why you are developing these read errors. An OS needs a well thought out policy for handling developed read errors to hide this from the user. -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 06:31:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27838 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip86-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA27818; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA17446; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:34:59 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199606061334.JAA17446@hda> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI , issues To: andrew@pubnix.net Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Webster" at Jun 6, 96 07:10:25 am Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ate two of these Quantum XP34300 drives in two months, and it wasn't a news > server! > > This was a P133 with AHA-2940 with FreeBSD 2.0.5. What I'd noticed in > both cases was that when lots of seek activity occurs, occasionally, the > drive would stop seeking and a loud "ringing" sound would be heard from > the drive for a couple of seconds, and then it would continue seeking. > I've seen this in a couple of other vendor's drives as well... This may be a thermal recalibration of the servo mechanism. The old CDC drive I have makes a "KA-PROING" noise when it does it and it takes a few seconds to complete. -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 06:37:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28282 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28276 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.haplink.co.cn (www.haplink.co.cn [202.96.192.52]) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA13613 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:44:09 GMT Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by www.haplink.co.cn (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA10220 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:39:36 +0900 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:39:36 +0900 From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199506061339.WAA10220@www.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Majordomo problem Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have set up the majordomo-1.93 on my FreeBSD2.1.0-stable, and apply "test" as an example. I can subscribe, unsubscribe to it, but when I send a mail to test or test-list, I can NOT find out where the mail gone. What's wrong with it??? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 06:39:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28333 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip86-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28328; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA17463; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:43:05 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199606061343.JAA17463@hda> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: dror@hopf.dnai.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dror Matalon" at Jun 5, 96 08:45:26 pm Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We suspect that these are on the swap area of the first disk. (oops, just noticed that part) . If this is really on the swap area of the disk (verify that by looking at the partition info and seeing where that block is) then this is easy to fix: 1. Verify that AWRE is enabled in mode page 1; 2. Disable swap on that partition; 3. dd from /dev/zero to that partition. The write will force the sector to remap; 4. Tell -hackers that swap is being read before written (that doesn't make much sense). -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 06:40:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28493 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28487 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA21062 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:40:45 -0700 Received: from scooter.quickweb.com (scooter.quickweb.com [199.212.134.8]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id GAA12580 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by scooter.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA01997; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:32:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo To: Richard Beyer cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Richard Beyer wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone point me to a tutorial on setting virtual domains > (specifically for web). man ifconfig (ex. ifconfig ed0 alias 199.212.111.111 adds that IP number to interface ed0...) -Mark :%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi.. ------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | C-Soft www.quickweb.com | ------------------------------------------- > > Cheers, > > Richard. > > .......................................................................... > Muse Productions P/L If you could be as life to me > WWW : http://www.muse.com.au/ And I your love be death > Email : inspired@muse.com.au A kiss would serve to set you free > Phone : +61 03 347098 And steal your final breath > Fax : +61 03 347270 > .......................................................................... > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 07:12:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02159 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02106; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA02596; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606061411.JAA02596@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: hdalog@zipnet.net Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:11:13 -0500 (EST) Cc: dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606061343.JAA17463@hda> from "Peter Dufault" at Jun 6, 96 09:43:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 4. Tell -hackers that swap is being read before written (that doesn't make much > sense). > EEEK!!! I'll look into it, but also we would use a problem report. John dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 07:24:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04464 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04456; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA07038; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606061422.HAA07038@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: andrew@pubnix.net cc: Dror Matalon , freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI , issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jun 1996 07:10:25 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 07:22:11 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Very interesting, I had a bad experience almost a year ago where a system >ate two of these Quantum XP34300 drives in two months, and it wasn't a news >server! Are you sure that they weren't XP34301 drives? I've never had a problem with the Atlas (XP34300), but I've had a 70% failure rate on Grand Prixs (XP34301). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 07:35:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05163 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radio.nwpros.com (radio.nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05154 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rickbox.nwpros.com (rickbox.nwpros.com [205.229.128.217]) by radio.nwpros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00318 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:35:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960606144722.0068bae0@nwpros.com> X-Sender: rickg@nwpros.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:47:22 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rick Gray Subject: Anon FTP Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings. I have searched the data base on the freebsd.org home page and can't find my answer so here goes... I have followed the setup for Anon FTP to the tee and if I try to FTP into my system, I cannot see any files. It seems to put me in the root directory ( / ) but no files or directories are seen. (Normal FTP operations for users work fine!) I have all the permissions set according to the man pages and made sure that I had a usable shell set in /etc/shells (/bin/csh). Do I need a fake user account to make this work? I have seen the same problem listed in the FreeBSD search pages but no solutions. Any help will be greatly appreciated in advance! Also, I had an earlier problem with a Microp 9gig drive...I think my problem is my controller card. It can't read beyond 4 gigs....cheap card! A word to the wise: stick to Adaptec! :-{)> I do have other problems but none as pressing so I shall bow out gracefully for now.... *********************************************************** Rick Gray Network Pros, Inc. rickg@nwpros.com "It is a good day to die." ----Klingon Philosophy *********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 08:34:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA09427 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radio.nwpros.com (nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09417 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rickbox.nwpros.com (rickbox.nwpros.com [205.229.128.217]) by radio.nwpros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00512 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:34:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960606154637.0068fb68@nwpros.com> X-Sender: rickg@nwpros.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 10:46:37 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rick Gray Subject: Re: your mail Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:32 AM 6/6/96 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Richard Beyer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone point me to a tutorial on setting virtual domains >> (specifically for web). > >man ifconfig > >(ex. ifconfig ed0 alias 199.212.111.111 adds that IP number to interface >ed0...) > Also check out www.apache.org if you are using it. It has good examples on setting up your .conf files. I have noticed that you have to configure your files to suit your system. I had to use the search engine on FBSD home page to get extra examples. Then I had to improvise and make it work on my machines. Took a little tweaking but it works! In a nutshell: Make SOA zone files edit named.boot edit .rev file Add VirtualHost to httpd.conf edit rc.local restart named and httpd For sendmail to work I had to edit sendmail.cf by adding to Cw... Hope this helps. Good luck! *********************************************************** Rick Gray Network Pros, Inc. rickg@nwpros.com "It is a good day to die." ----Klingon Philosophy *********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 09:29:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13434 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13429 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA03441; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:44:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Majordomo problem In-Reply-To: <199506061339.WAA10220@www.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, I have set up the majordomo-1.93 on my FreeBSD2.1.0-stable, and > apply "test" as an example. I can subscribe, unsubscribe to it, but when > I send a mail to test or test-list, I can NOT find out where the mail > gone. What's wrong with it??? Who knows? Who cares? I could never get Majordomo working 100% correctly and the darn PERL scripts would swamp the server when too many messages came in at the same time. Now I run SmartList with procmail. ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail Noth packages are in the same directory there. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 09:37:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13797 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13792; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA03748; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:52:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: hdalog@zipnet.net cc: dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues In-Reply-To: <199606061343.JAA17463@hda> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Peter Dufault wrote: > 3. dd from /dev/zero to that partition. The write will force the sector > to remap; If you are talking about the internal SCSI remapping, then when the internally allocated table is full, no more remapping will take place resulting in error reports by the OS. Generally a drive with that many errors can be replaced under warranty. I remember the older 1 gig Quantum drives that would not work in *ANY* UNIX system. I had one drive in BSDI system reporting lots of errors. Ran diagnostics and it was clean. Put it into a Linux machine, still lots of errors, diagnostics report was clean. Different host adapter. Same problem. Put in a Windows workstation and it works like a charm. A month later while setting up a SCO UNIX box, we got wierd, wierd read errors. They weren't reported in the system log, but a database program was definitely getting the wrong data off the drive. It was the same Quantum 1 gig drive so we sent it back, grabbed two 500 meg IDE's off the shelf and everything works now. Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 10:00:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15176 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from connet80.com (connet80.connet80.com [199.2.214.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15158 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meljr@localhost) by connet80.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA03220; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:59:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mel Lester Jr." To: Rick Gray cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anon FTP In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960606144722.0068bae0@nwpros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Rick Gray wrote: > I have searched the data base on the freebsd.org home page and can't > find my answer so here goes... Funny you should ask. I decided to allow anoymous ftp access just last week. All of the information I needed was in the manual (man ftpd) and I would rate myself as a novice administrator. This particular page is a cut above most others and is a great example of what technical writers should strive for. > I have followed the setup for Anon FTP to the tee and if I try to FTP > into my system, I cannot see any files. It seems to put me in the root > directory ( / ) but no files or directories are seen. (Normal FTP > operations for users work fine!) I have all the permissions set > according to the man pages and made sure that I had a usable shell set > in /etc/shells (/bin/csh). Do I need a fake user account to make this > work? Yes, you need to set up a user account for user login ``ftp''. This allows anyone to do a ftp login as user anonymous or ftp. Apparently, they are supposed to leave their email address as a password, but I don't think this is enforced. user ftp in the /etc/passwd file needs a home directory and some special precautions need to be observed: for example, here is the entry for user ftp from my /etc/passwd file: ftp:*:1062:1062:ftp user,,,:/home/ftp:/sbin/nologin make the ftp home directory owned by root and don't allow writing by anyone (use the chmod command to change the mode to 555). create a subdirectory under the ftp home directory called bin and make it's mode 555 (also unwritable by anyone). Copy or link the system ls program into this directory and make it's mode 111. create another subdirectory under the ftp home directory called etc, make it's mode 555 also. link the files /etc/passwd and /etc/group into this subdirectory and make these files mode 444. This will allow the ls command file in the ~ftp/bin directory to associate owners and group names with files. create a final subdirectory under the ftp home directory called pub and make it's mode 777. User ftp owns this directory. Files may than be placed or retrieved from this directory by anonymous ftp or your regular users. I hope this gets you over the top. By the way, all the usual disclaimers apply. The man page mentions what type of additional security risks might be encountered, so I won't get into that here. -mel +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mel Lester Jr. meljr@ConNet80.com - Operations Manager ConNet80 | | ConNet80 - PDX's Fast Lane on the Information SuperHighway | | Connect with ConNet80, it pays! http://www.ConNet80.com/~meljr | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 13:30:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03727 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03716 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA16196 for isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:33:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199606062033.PAA16196@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo problem (fwd) To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:33:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: >From owner-freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 15:04:40 1996 From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199606061952.OAA14921@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo problem To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:52:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Jun 6, 96 09:27:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, I have set up the majordomo-1.93 on my FreeBSD2.1.0-stable, and > > apply "test" as an example. I can subscribe, unsubscribe to it, but when > > I send a mail to test or test-list, I can NOT find out where the mail > > gone. What's wrong with it??? > > I could never get Majordomo working 100% correctly and the darn PERL > scripts would swamp the server when too many messages came in at the same > time. Now I run SmartList with procmail. > ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail > Noth packages are in the same directory there. 1. Make sure your permissions are setup correctly (this doesn't look like the problem in your case). 2. #This is my setup in the /etc/aliases file for a non-digesting list ls-sdk: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l ls-sdk -f Ls-Sdk-Owner -h infinop -s ls-sdk-outgoing" # make sure below line is in--it basically takes the whole list # and includes it as e-mail addresses to send. # also you can goto the directory and # cat the file to see who's subscribed eg. cat /usr/local/mail/lists/ls-sdk ls-sdk-outgoing::include:/usr/local/mail/lists/ls-sdk ls-sdk-owner: owner-ls-sdk ls-sdk-approval: owner-ls-sdk ls-sdk-request: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper request-answer ls-sdk" owner-ls-sdk-request: ls-sdk-owner owner-ls-sdk: john Is working ok now--there were some rough spots but if I ever have to do it again it's pretty easy. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 15:02:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12161 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from micros.micros.com (micros.micros.com [199.100.80.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12129 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id aa03744; 6 Jun 96 18:01 EDT Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA834109408; Thu, 06 Jun 96 18:01:04 EST Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 18:01:04 EST From: Shawn Zudal Message-Id: <9605068341.AA834109408@smtplink.micros.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 15:24:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14381 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14372 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous227.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.227]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05682; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:16:22 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00547; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:11:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:11:37 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199606062211.AAA00547@campa.panke.de> To: xiyuan qian Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Majordomo problem In-Reply-To: <199506061339.WAA10220@www.haplink.co.cn> References: <199506061339.WAA10220@www.haplink.co.cn> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian writes: >Hi, I have set up the majordomo-1.93 on my FreeBSD2.1.0-stable, and apply "test" as an example. I can subscribe, unsubscribe to it, but when I send a mail to test or test-list, I can NOT find out where the mail gone. try `echo "foo" | mail -v test-list' and look in /var/log/maillog for errors. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 15:40:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15965 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15930; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05787; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:39:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: David Greenman cc: Dror Matalon , freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI , issues In-Reply-To: <199606061422.HAA07038@Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, David Greenman wrote: > >Very interesting, I had a bad experience almost a year ago where a system > >ate two of these Quantum XP34300 drives in two months, and it wasn't a news > >server! > > Are you sure that they weren't XP34301 drives? I've never had a problem > with the Atlas (XP34300), but I've had a 70% failure rate on Grand Prixs > (XP34301). > Your are absolutely right, they were indeed GP drives! Andrew Webster - andrew@pubnix.net - http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal - Connected to the world - Branche au monde 514-990-5911 - P.O. Box 147, Cote St-Luc, Quebec, H4V 2Y3 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 18:29:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03236 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03222; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606070129.SAA03222@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Majordomo problem To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xiyuan@www.haplink.co.cn, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Jun 6, 96 09:27:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, xiyuan qian wrote: > > > Hi, I have set up the majordomo-1.93 on my FreeBSD2.1.0-stable, and > > apply "test" as an example. I can subscribe, unsubscribe to it, but when > > I send a mail to test or test-list, I can NOT find out where the mail > > gone. What's wrong with it??? > > Who knows? Who cares? > I could never get Majordomo working 100% correctly and the darn PERL > scripts would swamp the server when too many messages came in at the same > time. Now I run SmartList with procmail. > ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail > Noth packages are in the same directory there. hmmm...could be. but as the commerical said "you are soaking in it" the FreeBSD mailing lists are majordomo-1.92 with local hacks. and we aint doing too bad. freefall jmb[103] mailstats Statistics from Sat Jun 1 04:11:18 1996 M msgsfr bytes_from msgsto bytes_to Mailer 0 0 0K 5057 12403K prog 1 0 0K 1452 3571K *file* 3 19055 59882K 18709 48171K local 6 7111 23874K 740445 1485352K smtp8 7 1 1K 23 191K relay ======================================== T 26167 83757K 765686 1549688K that's an average of 9.4 kBps jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 20:31:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23539 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lynx.its.unimelb.edu.au (lynx.its.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.20.151]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23513 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by lynx.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04560; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:30:47 +1000 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:30:46 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Mel Lester Jr." cc: Rick Gray , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anon FTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Mel Lester Jr. wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Rick Gray wrote: > > > I have searched the data base on the freebsd.org home page and can't > > find my answer so here goes... [lots of good stuff deleted] > create a final subdirectory under the ftp home directory called pub and > make it's mode 777. User ftp owns this directory. Files may than be > placed or retrieved from this directory by anonymous ftp or your regular > users. I would recommend against 777 for pub. To my thinking, pub should be 755, owned by root or ftpadmin. pub should not be writable by user ftp. To have an incoming directory, mkdir incoming; chown ftpadmin incoming; chmod 733 incoming This creates an incoming dir which people can place files in, but they can't see the files in it. Stops people from deleting others' uploads, and from using your server as a dropoff point without your cooperation. You can also have a secret places directory for users to pick up files only they know about. # mkdir ~ftp/private ; chmod 711 ~ftp/private # mkdir ~ftp/private/jane ; chmod 777 ~ftp/private/jane Jane can now (as user ftp) cd /private/jane, because she knows that it exists. Fred does not know about /private/jane, and if Fred does a cd /private; LIST, he won't be able to see the existence of ./jane Of course, wu-ftpd's guest class of user achieves this with passwords for guest accounts. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 6 23:53:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA22316 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22308; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA08211; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606070653.XAA08211@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Dillon cc: hdalog@zipnet.net, dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 06 Jun 96 09:35:41 -0700. Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 23:52:53 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't >test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. That would be hard to believe, considering that Quantum drives ship in some HP Workstations, among others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 07:14:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17496 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radio.nwpros.com (radio.nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17489 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rickbox.nwpros.com (rickbox.nwpros.com [205.229.128.217]) by radio.nwpros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07363; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:14:43 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960607142631.00685d70@nwpros.com> X-Sender: rickg@nwpros.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:26:31 -0500 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" From: Rick Gray Subject: Re: Anon FTP Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:30 PM 6/7/96 +1000, you wrote: >I would recommend against 777 for pub. To my thinking, pub should be >755, owned by root or ftpadmin. pub should not be writable by user ftp. >To have an incoming directory, >mkdir incoming; chown ftpadmin incoming; chmod 733 incoming > >This creates an incoming dir which people can place files in, but they >can't see the files in it. Stops people from deleting others' uploads, >and from using your server as a dropoff point without your cooperation. My permissions are set according to the man pages. I have also had other people try to FTP anonymously and have the same results: no directories seen and ls not working.... My permissions are as follows: usr/ftp owned by root and unwritable usr/ftp/bin owned by root and chmod 555--ls is chmod 111 usr/ftp/etc owned by root and chmod 555--passwd and group are chmod 444 usr/ftp/pub owned by ftp and chmod 777 These should be correct according to the man pages. My passwd file contains ftp:*:14:5:Anonymous FTP Admin:/usr/FTP:/bin/csh. See anything I'm doing wrong? Thanks. ************************************************ Rick Gray Network Pros, Inc. rickg@nwpros.com "It is a good day to die." ----Klingon Philosophy ************************************************ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 07:48:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19754 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from connet80.com (connet80.connet80.com [199.2.214.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19747 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meljr@localhost) by connet80.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00479; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:47:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mel Lester Jr." To: Rick Gray cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anon FTP In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960607142631.00685d70@nwpros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Rick Gray wrote: > My permissions are as follows: > > usr/ftp owned by root and unwritable > usr/ftp/bin owned by root and chmod 555--ls is chmod 111 > usr/ftp/etc owned by root and chmod 555--passwd and group are chmod 444 > usr/ftp/pub owned by ftp and chmod 777 > > These should be correct according to the man pages. My passwd file contains > ftp:*:14:5:Anonymous FTP Admin:/usr/FTP:/bin/csh. See anything I'm doing wrong? :------------------------------------^^^ | Yes, if the home directory for ftp is /usr/ftp, your entry in /etc/passwd should be:-----------------------. vvv ftp:*:14:5:Anonymous FTP Admin:/usr/ftp:/bin/csh -mel +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mel Lester Jr. meljr@ConNet80.com - Operations Manager ConNet80 | | ConNet80 - PDX's Fast Lane on the Information SuperHighway | | Connect with ConNet80, it pays! http://www.ConNet80.com/~meljr | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 08:38:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24058 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.multinet.net (helix.multinet.net [204.138.173.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24041 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vicyu.bgi.on.ca (vicyu.bgi.on.ca [204.191.112.3]) by mail.multinet.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA28545 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:34:11 GMT Message-Id: <199606071534.PAA28545@mail.multinet.net> X-Sender: admin@multinet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:54:54 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: admin@mail.multinet.net (graydon hoare) Subject: network installation trouble Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy -- I'm attempting to run the ftp-passive install and getting a rather serious error. The network interface is unable to establish a route out of our LAN. I have attempted to run the install using an intel card I pilfered from one of our working workstations, but there was an IRQ conflict so I switched back to the card which FreeBSD can identify. I am behind a network systems 6600 router which (I believe) is running ARP, so it should (correct me if I'm wrong) be discovering the new soon-to-be-BSD machine during the install, right? Problem is, it's not, or someone is not discovering someone else. In the debugging screen I get an "lnc1: initialization failed" error. I don't think it's a faulty card, BSD probes it correctly and it worked on the previous platform it was attached to. Any suggestions from the collective brains out there? From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 09:48:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01056 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01049 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA29683; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:04:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: graydon hoare cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: network installation trouble In-Reply-To: <199606071534.PAA28545@mail.multinet.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, graydon hoare wrote: > Howdy -- I'm attempting to run the ftp-passive install and getting a rather > serious error. The network interface is unable to establish a route out of > our LAN. FTP everything to a machine on your LAN, then do the install from there. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 12:31:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13893 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hopf.dnai.com (hopf.dnai.com [140.174.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13876; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA14562; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:23:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dror Matalon Reply-To: Dror Matalon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read ...other SCSI issues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon says: >News servers eat drives. No matter what type of drive, they just wear out >and die. Yes, I guess I knew that, although our web server is doing plenty of disk io too. >Computer room??? How about the case where the drives are? Most clone cases >have NO (that's zero) airflow engineering done. The only way to be sure >that the drives are running cool enough (especially 7200 RPM drives) is to >mount them with space in between (an inch or so) and mount extra fans that >blow air across the top of the drive. When you open the case and remove >the bad drive, stick your finger on top. If it burns so badly that it >blisters, you need more cooling. Even if it's only hot, add more airflow >anyway. I'll look at that, although I think I'll try some other testing methodology. > >room that you need to put on a sweater when you go in. It also helps to >use RAID (http://www.mylex.com DAC960SI) because it lessens the physical >activity on any one drive to some extent. And the special fans to blow air >across the top of each individual drive. The nice thing about a DAC960 is >that with a proper hot-swap chassis and RAID 5, replacing a drive doesn't >shut anything down. I'd love using some kind of RAID solution. So far I haven't found anything that I really like, and that has been tested. Are you using the mylex RAID? I looked at it a while ago and it sounded like an interesting solution, but I first wanted to hear about other people using it. I also understand that there are some problems with the freebsd utilities handling large (20 Gig and more) disks, they report negative sizes etc (32 bit problem?). I actually think that someone could make nice bucks, by putting together a FreeBsd box with redundant Power supplies, fans, Scsi controllers etc and make it a, relatively, cheap NFS appliance. As for the disk with the SCSI errors, we're just replacing it with a new one. Thanks for all the replies and help, Dror Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 14:10:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21643 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21621; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA11907; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:10:01 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606072110.OAA11907@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read ...other SCSI issues To: dror@hopf.dnai.com Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Dror Matalon at "Jun 7, 96 12:28:22 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > I'd love using some kind of RAID solution. So far I haven't found anything > that I really like, and that has been tested. Are you using the mylex > RAID? I looked at it a while ago and it sounded like an interesting solution, > but I first wanted to hear about other people using it. I also understand > that there are some problems with the freebsd utilities handling > large (20 Gig and more) disks, they report negative sizes etc > (32 bit problem?). > I actually think that someone could make nice bucks, by putting together > a FreeBsd box with redundant Power supplies, fans, Scsi controllers etc > and make it a, relatively, cheap NFS appliance. Check out http://www.geli.com, Russ is doing that kind of stuff, though he is aimed more at the compute cluster market. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 7 20:28:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA28229 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28183; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA09057; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:44:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Dror Matalon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read ...other SCSI issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dror Matalon wrote: > >room that you need to put on a sweater when you go in. It also helps to > >use RAID (http://www.mylex.com DAC960SI) because it lessens the physical > >activity on any one drive to some extent. And the special fans to blow air > >across the top of each individual drive. The nice thing about a DAC960 is > >that with a proper hot-swap chassis and RAID 5, replacing a drive doesn't > >shut anything down. > > I'd love using some kind of RAID solution. So far I haven't found anything > that I really like, and that has been tested. Are you using the mylex > RAID? I've used the DAC960E under SCO UNIX with RAID 5 on IBM servers and AST Manhattan servers. It works great, especially when you have a hot swap chassis. > I looked at it a while ago and it sounded like an interesting solution, > but I first wanted to hear about other people using it. I have read at least one account of somebody using the SI version with FreeBSD but it was a while ago and I forget the details. > I actually think that someone could make nice bucks, by putting together > a FreeBsd box with redundant Power supplies, fans, Scsi controllers etc > and make it a, relatively, cheap NFS appliance. Tell your favourite dealer this. SOme I have run across that might be interested are http://www.promox.com http://www.apache.com http://www.justcomp.com http://www.varesearch.com Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 09:04:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07762 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07688; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20134; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:04:20 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA06795 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:03:55 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29721 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:38:25 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA04029; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:27:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606081427.QAA04029@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:27:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: michael@memra.com, hdalog@zipnet.net, dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606070653.XAA08211@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at Jun 6, 96 11:52:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote... > > >Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't > >test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. > > That would be hard to believe, considering that Quantum drives ship in > some HP Workstations, among others... And in lots of Digital Equipment machines... In general: I have yet to hear of a manufacturer that never has 'junk' drive types every now and then. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 11:15:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24575 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liliput.tmp.com.br (liliput.tmp.com.br [200.255.204.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24548; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 11:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from durval@localhost) by liliput.tmp.com.br (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA27548; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:08:26 -0300 From: Durval Menezes Message-Id: <199606081808.PAA27548@liliput.tmp.com.br> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:08:25 -0300 (EST) Cc: michaelv@HeadCandy.com, michael@memra.com, hdalog@zipnet.net, dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606081427.QAA04029@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 8, 96 04:27:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, > > >Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't > > >test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. > > > > That would be hard to believe, considering that Quantum drives ship in > > some HP Workstations, among others... > > And in lots of Digital Equipment machines... > > In general: I have yet to hear of a manufacturer that never has 'junk' > drive types every now and then. In the last 6 months, 4 of the sites I do consulting for had disk failures. All of them were using Quantum 2GB Empire drives... Also, I recall that about 1 1/2 years ago Seagate had a disastrous run of the Barracuda drives around (those with firmware revision level less than 12) that locked solid under heavy disk I/O. Best regards, -- Durval Menezes (durval@tmp.com.br, http://www.tmp.com.br/~durval) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 12:31:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05350 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mole.mole.org (marmot.mole.org [204.216.57.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05336; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mole.mole.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05347; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:31:09 GMT Received: from meerkat.mole.org(206.197.192.110) by mole.mole.org via smap (V1.3) id sma005345; Sat Jun 8 19:30:53 1996 Received: (from mrm@localhost) by meerkat.mole.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA18867; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:30:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:30:53 -0700 From: "M.R.Murphy" Message-Id: <199606081930.MAA18867@meerkat.mole.org> To: durval@liliput.tmp.com.br, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues Cc: dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, hdalog@zipnet.net, michael@memra.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In the last 6 months, 4 of the sites I do consulting for had disk failures. > All of them were using Quantum 2GB Empire drives... > I had one of the bad ones. It'd work for a day or so and then hang tight. Quantum replaced it with a good one, no hassle. -- Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 Better is the enemy of Good From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 14:01:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18171 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18147; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19410; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606082053.NAA19410@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Wilko Bulte cc: michael@memra.com, hdalog@zipnet.net, dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 08 Jun 96 16:27:02 +0200. <199606081427.QAA04029@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:52:04 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't >> >test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. >As Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote... >> That would be hard to believe, considering that Quantum drives ship in >> some HP Workstations, among others... >And in lots of Digital Equipment machines... >In general: I have yet to hear of a manufacturer that never has 'junk' >drive types every now and then. That has been my experience also, following these lists and Usenet. I think I have heard of bad runs of drives from every major manufacturer. Especially the ones that try to push the limits, like newer 7200rpm drives. The only difference, I think, is that I have heard of Seagate drives failing more than the rest. Personally, I have owned several Quantums. I like them -- they do the job for a good price, and the performance is good. I have had two Quantums fail. One (a ProDrive 425S) was old and had put in several years of good service and hard life running Unix. It didn't surprise me a bit when it finally went. The other was newer (LPS 540S), but was a few months out of warranty. I called them up and they replaced it for free anyway. I have other Quantum drives (a couple TrailBlazer 850S's) that haven't shown any problems. I also have a couple Western Digital IDE drives (a 1.6GB and a 540MB; all my other drives are SCSI) which work very well, and actually seem to run less hot than the other bigger drives. I have two HP drives (both 1GB) which run hot, but which have been quite reliable and quick so far. I also have an old Seagate (500MB) with an Apple decal on it, that probes as a SCSI-1 drive, but still performs pretty well for an older drive, and hasn't shown a single problem so far. So, in Quantum's case, specifically, I wouldn't say that all their drives way more reliable, but I wouldn't say they are way less, either. And, it doesn't bring your data back, but they were very helpful and courteous when I did need to get a drive replaced. Anyone who says "Don't buy X's drives -- they all suck!", I pretty much tune out right away. If a manufacturer truly made only drives that always failed a few months after you bought them, they quite simply wouldn't stay in business. People who can give specific examples and models I take more seriously. Is this thread beat to death, yet? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 16:44:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07553 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07540 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (tom@caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15523 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Nice Script for Shell Accounts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone have any good Shells for non-unix-literate Shell Account Users? Something that calls Telnet, Pine, Ftp. That kinda stuff. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 17:34:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13195 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isgate.is (isgate.is [193.4.58.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13190 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hummer.islandia.is by isgate.is (8.7.5-M/ISnet/14-10-91); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:34:31 GMT Received: from hummer.islandia.is by hummer.islandia.is (8.6.12/ISnet/12-09-94); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:34:37 GMT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:34:37 +0000 (GMT) From: "Gestur A. Grjetarsson" To: Thomas Arnold cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nice Script for Shell Accounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk when a user on my server buys only mail access, I set his/hers shell to be pine ! like this example here below: Shell: /usr/local/bin/pine then when the user quits pine, he/her will be logged off the system. On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Thomas Arnold wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Arnold > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Nice Script for Shell Accounts > > Anyone have any good Shells for non-unix-literate Shell Account Users? > Something that calls Telnet, Pine, Ftp. That kinda stuff. > > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > > Med kvedju Sincerely -------------------------------------------------- Gestur A. Grjetarsson gestur@islandia.is kerfisstjori islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is http://www.islandia.is/~gestur http://www.islandia.is/misc/skvopn There are only three kind of people in the world ! Those who know how to count, and those who don't ! From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 19:14:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25444 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25426 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA21851; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:29:49 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: inet-access@earth.com cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Zzzzzap! (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think we may have the definitive answer to lightning protection here... Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:02:23 -0600 From: Dale Ludington Reply-To: Small Internet Access Providers To: Multiple recipients of list IAP Subject: Re: Zzzzzap! On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Terry Kearns wrote: > -- [ From: Terry Kearns * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] -- > > Anyone got any serious advice about lightning protection? The little surge protectors that you buy from Radio Shack and the like are next to useless. Generally speaking they will protect up to about 2.4 Kv. I've measured in residential locations with surges as high a 7 Kv and on locations with large motor controllers up to 10 Kv. Lightning will blow through the small suppressors like tissue paper. The primary cause of lightning damage is the leakage of voltage between disparate voltage potentials. If the voltage in all points in a device is equal then there is no leakage and therefore no damage. A device known commonly as a "lightning arrestor" made by Delta Lightning Arrestors will acomplish this equalizing of voltage potentials. The device is located as close to the power company point of attachment on the building as is practical. The National Electric Code allows the device to be attached in the meter socket _without_ any fusing or disconnecting means and this is the preferred method of connection. How it works is very simple. All leads, power, neutral, & ground, are bonded to a common pellet of a semi-conductor that will conduct freely above 170 volts per phase or leg. When lightning strikes the voltage rises, the semi-conductor conducts and all conductors become the same voltage potential. With all conductors having equal voltage no shorting will occur. No real current is involved so the wire leads are only #12 copper. I personally have over 30 years experience with these devices and I have not known of one to fail. They are slow to respond however and should be used with an industrial Transient Surge Suppressor such as is made by Leviton. These will handle surges as I described above. I use this combination and I have survived several lightning strikes with no damage what so ever. BTW, the Delta's are cheap, about $25 plus installation for the 240 volt one and about $59 for the 480 volt versions. +++ Dale +++ INTERNET de Las Cruces 1004 W. Hadley Ave. Las Cruces, NM 88005 Office (505) 525-8578 Fax (505) 525-8437 ****************************************************************************** I'm sane, but I'm overwhelmed.... I'm tired, but I'm working.... Alanis Morrissette, 1996 ****************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 19:20:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26259 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from presence.lglobal.com (root@presence.lglobal.com [204.50.121.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26204 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from presence.lglobal.com (drop@presence.lglobal.com [204.50.121.2]) by presence.lglobal.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA04619; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:58:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:58:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin Ryan To: Thomas Arnold cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nice Script for Shell Accounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Thomas Arnold wrote: Use lynx with exec 's activated...but be careful with the config files so as to minimize potential abuses. > Anyone have any good Shells for non-unix-literate Shell Account Users? > Something that calls Telnet, Pine, Ftp. That kinda stuff. > > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > > -------------------------------\\|!|//------------------------------- | Colin P. Ryan \!/ Cyber- | | Local GlobalAccess Inc.....More than Just a Provider! Rights | | 320 1/2 Bloor St. W. Toronto. ON NOW !! | | e:drop@lglobal.com Phone: (416)515-7400| --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 8 20:47:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08812 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08804 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA20635; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:45:26 +0800 (HKT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:45:26 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Thomas Arnold cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nice Script for Shell Accounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Set up a gopher server as a menu operated shell complete with FAQ's, file downloads, mail, ftp etc. It is worth the initial effort to set up. This space unintentionally left unblank jbeukema On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Thomas Arnold wrote: > Anyone have any good Shells for non-unix-literate Shell Account Users? > Something that calls Telnet, Pine, Ftp. That kinda stuff. > > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > >