From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 03:54:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19235 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19208; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA04925; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606091054.DAA04925@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dror@hopf.dnai.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Dror Matalon on Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read ...other SCSI issues From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I'd love using some kind of RAID solution. So far I haven't found anything * that I really like, and that has been tested. Are you using the mylex * RAID? I looked at it a while ago and it sounded like an interesting solution, * but I first wanted to hear about other people using it. I also understand * that there are some problems with the freebsd utilities handling * large (20 Gig and more) disks, they report negative sizes etc * (32 bit problem?). This has been fixed in -current by Bruce Evans some time ago. (I'd bring in into -stable too if it's not soo deep in the kernel, but I'm not much of a kernel hacker....) * I actually think that someone could make nice bucks, by putting together * a FreeBsd box with redundant Power supplies, fans, Scsi controllers etc * and make it a, relatively, cheap NFS appliance. I'm working on a project doing just that (well, sort of). We are currently looking at FreeBSD as well as some other operating systems (duh). Right now we have the ccd driver doing striping and mirror (RAID0 and RAID1 for you paper-types). We are hoping to implement RAID4/5 parity some time this summer. Seems like you are in Berkeley too, maybe we can meet some time. We have enclosures with redundant power supply and such, it comes out to about +30% of the disk cost to set up a 64GB NFS server with P5-133 with regular striping. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 08:34:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27750 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27723 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12270; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Steve Reid cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 29 May 1996, Steve Reid wrote: > > This is strange... Has anyone else seen this happen? Yup... many times under 2.1.0R and only once so far with 2.2-960501. > It appears as though the machine lost it's network connection (ethernet) > then got it back... netstat -in shows a few hundred 'Oerrors' which seems > to confirm that the network connection was lost. Hmmm... never thought of checking Oerrs. > The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and > SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC > EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. The odd thing here is that only one machine here (that I know of) exhibits this behaviour. It is a 486DX4/100, ASUS P/I-486SP3G motherboard with 32MB RAM and the same EtherPower card, running at 10 Mbps. We have a dozen other P133 servers with the same model of SMC's and they've never experienced this problem. Upgrading to the May 1 snapshot appears to have helped the problem machine (and now most of the other servers are running 2.2-SNAP as well). > The only thing the machine was really doing at the time was hosting > the Chatnet IRC bots. The bots disappeared from IRC, and when the > connection came back they were still gone from IRC, but their > proccesses were still running. The 486 is my workstation, and it just runs X and a bunch of ssh connections to our main servers. When it happens, I'll notice a bunch of hung connections, Netscape frozen, remote xloads and xperfmon++'s frozen, etc. When it comes back (seemingly on its own, after a minute or two), I find a random number of ssh sessions have been closed, some remote X apps have exited and usually an "nfs send error" or some sort in the syslog. Then all is well. *shrug* -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 13:43:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19422 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19410 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id PAA11817; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA11101; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:42:48 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199606092042.OAA11101@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Cc: root@edmweb.com, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 9, 96 11:33:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lo and behold, Brian Tao once said: > Yup... many times under 2.1.0R and only once so far with > 2.2-960501. Here's another once under -stable. > > The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and > > SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC > > EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. > > The odd thing here is that only one machine here (that I know of) > exhibits this behaviour. It is a 486DX4/100, ASUS P/I-486SP3G > motherboard with 32MB RAM and the same EtherPower card, running at 10 Mbps. > We have a dozen other P133 servers with the same model of SMC's and The machine of ours that hung is a P100, triton, 2 adaptec 2940s, and an Intel EtherExpress 10/100 running at 10Mbps. I think I smell a common feature -- we're all using the fxp0 driver. This server never exhibited this before I dropped in the EtherExpress. Are there any known bugs in the driver? (I would assume not). The machine was pingable by itself (the network code was working) when this happened. -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 16:30:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10359 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scooter.quickweb.com (scooter.quickweb.com [199.212.134.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10316; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by scooter.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA06237; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Excite for Web Servers on -STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone successfully installed EWS on 2.1-STABLE?? When I run the install script, I get a core dump.. The program includes a perl binary which it extracts locally and then tries to run to continue with the intallation. It's supposed to be BSDI 2.0 binary, so I'm puzzled why it would dump.. TIA, -Mark :%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi.. ------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | C-Soft www.quickweb.com | ------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 18:16:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25854 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25848 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA16312; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606100116.SAA16312@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dave Andersen cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao), root@edmweb.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jun 1996 14:42:48 MDT." <199606092042.OAA11101@terra.aros.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 18:16:11 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Lo and behold, Brian Tao once said: > >> Yup... many times under 2.1.0R and only once so far with >> 2.2-960501. > > Here's another once under -stable. > >> > The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and >> > SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC >> > EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. >> >> The odd thing here is that only one machine here (that I know of) >> exhibits this behaviour. It is a 486DX4/100, ASUS P/I-486SP3G >> motherboard with 32MB RAM and the same EtherPower card, running at 10 Mbps. >> We have a dozen other P133 servers with the same model of SMC's and > > The machine of ours that hung is a P100, triton, 2 adaptec 2940s, and >an Intel EtherExpress 10/100 running at 10Mbps. > > I think I smell a common feature -- we're all using the fxp0 driver. >This server never exhibited this before I dropped in the EtherExpress. >Are there any known bugs in the driver? (I would assume not). There aren't any known bugs in the driver, but the 82557 chip (the NIC) has a bug that causes it to "go away" when it sees any garbage data. There is a "work around" that basically amounts to resetting the chip if you don't see any traffic in seconds. I think this is pretty disgusting, however, so I didn't implement it. The newer revision chips are supposed to have this problem fixed. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 18:56:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08720 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cafu.fl.net.au (root@cafu.fl.net.au [203.63.198.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08645; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cafu.fl.net.au (adf@cafu.fl.net.au [203.63.198.10]) by cafu.fl.net.au (2.0/adf) with SMTP id LAA28479; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:51:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:51:54 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Foster To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Excite for Web Servers on -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Has anyone successfully installed EWS on 2.1-STABLE?? When I run the > install script, I get a core dump.. > > The program includes a perl binary which it extracts locally and then > tries to run to continue with the intallation. It's supposed to be BSDI > 2.0 binary, so I'm puzzled why it would dump.. It is possible - I'm running it on -stable, however you'll need to do quite a bit of editing of files and basically install it all manually (it does take quite a while and could be tricky if you're not familiar with perl). Thanks, Andrew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Foster | BSDNet Australia Co-Ordinator | | adf@fl.net.au | adf@bsdnet.org - http://www.au.bsdnet.org/ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 19:19:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15498 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15453 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA03831 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Watson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: MICROCOM HDMS Init string Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk *sigh* Anyone care to share their init strings for the microcom HDMS rack mount modems. My problem is that a few and i do mean a FEW of our customers are having problems connecting with their RPI rockwell trash. They can connect to our USR modems with no problem. But they get garbage when conenction to the microcom rack mounts. Does anyone know what causes this? Or can give me a solution to this damn nightmare. RPI's suck i already know this, Everyone i know, knows this. I just need to find out why they get garbage when conenction to our microcom HDMS rack mounted modems but not our USR modems. Thanks Chris -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net http://www.freebsd.org | SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Security ===================================| Member BSDNET team! http://www.bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 21:44:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA16520 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16481 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA21924; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:50:10 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199606092350.XAA21924@ecpi.com> Subject: Please Help To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:50:10 +0000 () Cc: tpatel@ecpi.com (Tushar Patel) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Please help. Recently I got new lines from the phone company, I am able to support 4 ppp connection at one time (running 2.0.5 and user mode ppp). But, when 5th person connects I get massage saying "can't find ifindex" and then "device not configured". Following is my ppp.log file info. 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] Using interface: tun3 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] PPP Started. 06-09 22:32:30 [19989] SIGHUP 06-09 22:32:31 [19989] PPP Terminated. 06-09 22:33:11 [19985] Using interface: tun3 Packet mode enabled Packet mode enabled I have compiled the kernel with the following options. # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device #pseudo-device ppp 16 pseudo-device tun 16 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's Do I need to specify anything else in the kernel? I have made all the devices using "MAKEDEV tun4" etc. When I specify netstat -ain I do see 16 tun devices. Only difference is tun4 has MTU of 552. How do I change back to 1500? tun0 1500 92126 0 90675 0 0 tun0 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 92126 0 90675 0 0 tun1 1500 34916 0 38017 0 0 tun1 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 34916 0 38017 0 0 tun2* 1500 23286 0 27176 0 0 tun3* 1500 9704 0 10618 0 0 tun4* 552 4415 0 3898 0 0 tun5* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun6* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun7* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun8* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun9* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun10 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun11 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun12 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun13 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun14 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun15 1500 0 0 0 0 0 Please help. Thanks, Tushar From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 22:26:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA01296 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01282 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tpatel@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA23479 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:33:03 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199606100033.AAA23479@ecpi.com> Subject: Please Help: ppp tun device To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:33:03 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: >From tushar Sun Jun 9 23:50:14 1996 From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199606092350.XAA21924@ecpi.com> Subject: Please Help To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:50:10 +0000 () Cc: tpatel (Tushar Patel) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2374 Hi, Please help. Recently I got new lines from the phone company, I am able to support 4 ppp connection at one time (running 2.0.5 and user mode ppp). But, when 5th person connects I get massage saying "can't find ifindex" and then "device not configured". Following is my ppp.log file info. 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] Using interface: tun3 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] PPP Started. 06-09 22:32:30 [19989] SIGHUP 06-09 22:32:31 [19989] PPP Terminated. 06-09 22:33:11 [19985] Using interface: tun3 Packet mode enabled Packet mode enabled I have compiled the kernel with the following options. # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device #pseudo-device ppp 16 pseudo-device tun 16 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's Do I need to specify anything else in the kernel? I have made all the devices using "MAKEDEV tun4" etc. When I specify netstat -ain I do see 16 tun devices. Only difference is tun4 has MTU of 552. How do I change back to 1500? tun0 1500 92126 0 90675 0 0 tun0 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 92126 0 90675 0 0 tun1 1500 34916 0 38017 0 0 tun1 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 34916 0 38017 0 0 tun2* 1500 23286 0 27176 0 0 tun3* 1500 9704 0 10618 0 0 tun4* 552 4415 0 3898 0 0 tun5* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun6* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun7* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun8* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun9* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun10 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun11 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun12 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun13 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun14 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun15 1500 0 0 0 0 0 Please help. Thanks, Tushar From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 9 23:25:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA26162 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26145 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id BAA14870; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA11065; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:25:05 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199606100625.AAA11065@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606100116.SAA16312@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 9, 96 06:16:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lo and behold, David Greenman once said: > There aren't any known bugs in the driver, but the 82557 chip (the NIC) has > a bug that causes it to "go away" when it sees any garbage data. There is a > "work around" that basically amounts to resetting the chip if you don't see > any traffic in seconds. I think this is pretty disgusting, however, so I > didn't implement it. The newer revision chips are supposed to have this > problem fixed. Too much fun. :) Will downing the interface and bringing it back up reset the chip properly, or is there a different system call we'd have to make to do it? (If so, give me a pointer, and I'll happily come up with a reset-the-chip utility). -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 04:23:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA24493 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unicorn.uk1.vbc.net (unicorn.uk1.vbc.net [204.137.194.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA24349; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gordon@localhost) by unicorn.uk1.vbc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11994; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:23:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:23:11 +0100 (BST) From: Gordon Henderson X-Sender: gordon@unicorn To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD and 3com590/595 cards. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently built a new server with FreeBSD 2.2-960501-SNAP to make use of the 3com590 cards that we wished to use. The driver support for them is very flakey. I can repeatedly cause the system to stop all traffic flowing over the ethernet card, requiring an ifconfig vx0 down ; sleep 1 ; ifconfig vx0 up to restore connectivity. Is anyone working on a better driver? especially one that uses all features of the hardware (and not just polling) as we also have a requirement to use 3c595's as soon as possible to make use of their 100Mb/sec transfers. Gordon From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 06:34:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA11103 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.multinet.net (helix.multinet.net [204.138.173.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA11098 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vicyu.bgi.on.ca (vicyu.bgi.on.ca [204.191.112.3]) by mail.multinet.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA10587 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:29:10 GMT Message-Id: <199606101329.NAA10587@mail.multinet.net> X-Sender: admin@multinet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:50:55 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: admin@mail.multinet.net (graydon hoare) Subject: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi -- I recently posted that I was having trouble getting the network install done, it seems to be a problem in the driver of some sort, I've eliminated the possibility of my router or segment being the problem, but I just cannot believe that FreeBSD's support is so lousy for ethernet cards -- I've tried 5 cards so far, of which only 1 is even recognized by the install/probe boot disk, and it still failes to initialize the device. These are standard ethernet cards -- intel etherpros, SMCs etc. I must be doing something wrong. Did anyone meet with some serious head-smacking when configuring ethernet cards, anyone who might share a little secret here? The machine is a genuineintel IBM PS/Valuepoint 486/dx2-50 (I can hear you groaning) with 32mb and an adaptec SCSI controller with 2 units, 1GB seagate drive and a sony CDROM (the local store is all out of the walnut creek CDs, hence the network install). It's all quite "normal" hardware, shouldn't be having any trouble at all. thanks for any input. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 07:25:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA23343 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.epsilon.nl (skipper.epsilon.nl [194.178.91.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23198 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.epsilon.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skipper.epsilon.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07435; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:23:50 GMT Message-ID: <31BC4C16.167EB0E7@epsilon.nl> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:23:50 +0200 From: Jouke Dijkstra Organization: Epsilon Computer Support X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: graydon hoare CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? References: <199606101329.NAA10587@mail.multinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk graydon hoare wrote: > > Hi -- I recently posted that I was having trouble getting the network > install done, it seems to be a problem in the driver of some sort, I've > eliminated the possibility of my router or segment being the problem, but I > just cannot believe that FreeBSD's support is so lousy for ethernet cards -- > I've tried 5 cards so far, of which only 1 is even recognized by the > install/probe boot disk, and it still failes to initialize the device. These > are standard ethernet cards -- intel etherpros, SMCs etc. I must be doing > something wrong. Did anyone meet with some serious head-smacking when > configuring ethernet cards, anyone who might share a little secret here? > > The machine is a genuineintel IBM PS/Valuepoint 486/dx2-50 (I can hear you > groaning) with 32mb and an adaptec SCSI controller with 2 units, 1GB seagate > drive and a sony CDROM (the local store is all out of the walnut creek CDs, > hence the network install). It's all quite "normal" hardware, shouldn't be > having any trouble at all. > > thanks for any input. Are the card setting okay? I use SMC cards over here, and they are configured by a dos program 'EZSTART'. One time I forgot to set the right settings, and FreeBSD failed to probe the card. Remember, the card's got the have the correct settings as they are set in the kernel! You cannot decide yourself which settings to use without changing them in the kernel. The easy way to do this is to type -c at the boot prompt and configure the kernel as you like. - Jouke From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 07:26:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24099 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24041 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA14290; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:25:08 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606101425.JAA14290@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? To: admin@mail.multinet.net (graydon hoare) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:25:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606101329.NAA10587@mail.multinet.net> from "graydon hoare" at Jun 10, 96 07:50:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi -- I recently posted that I was having trouble getting the network > install done, it seems to be a problem in the driver of some sort, I've > eliminated the possibility of my router or segment being the problem, but I > just cannot believe that FreeBSD's support is so lousy for ethernet cards -- > I've tried 5 cards so far, of which only 1 is even recognized by the > install/probe boot disk, and it still failes to initialize the device. These > are standard ethernet cards -- intel etherpros, SMCs etc. I must be doing > something wrong. Did anyone meet with some serious head-smacking when > configuring ethernet cards, anyone who might share a little secret here? Are you really sure that all your settings are right, and the card is someplace that FreeBSD is looking for it? > The machine is a genuineintel IBM PS/Valuepoint 486/dx2-50 (I can hear you > groaning) with 32mb and an adaptec SCSI controller with 2 units, 1GB seagate > drive and a sony CDROM (the local store is all out of the walnut creek CDs, > hence the network install). It's all quite "normal" hardware, shouldn't be > having any trouble at all. Anyone who thinks an IBM PS/anything is "quite normal hardware"... nevermind. > thanks for any input. Check what you're doing. Try a regular PC. SMC cards work fine, NE2000's work fine, others work fine but I generally don't use them. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 08:27:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA15920 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15897; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA08933; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:26:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199606101526.KAA08933@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, michael@memra.com, hdalog@zipnet.net, dror@hopf.dnai.com, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606082053.NAA19410@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Jun 8, 96 01:52:04 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > >> >Maybe Quantum's engineering does something wierd internally and doesn't > >> >test their drives on a real world activity mix that includes UNIX. > > >As Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote... > >> That would be hard to believe, considering that Quantum drives ship in > >> some HP Workstations, among others... > > >And in lots of Digital Equipment machines... > >In general: I have yet to hear of a manufacturer that never has 'junk' > >drive types every now and then. > > That has been my experience also, following these lists and Usenet. > > I think I have heard of bad runs of drives from every major > manufacturer. Especially the ones that try to push the limits, like > newer 7200rpm drives. My experience with Quantum drives has been limited to the LP240S, LP570S, and PD700S drives which I use for testing purposes. (Well, I also own a number of the DEC DSP series drives that are now made by Quantum, but I guess I don't think of them as Quantums.) I will say, that with of these particular models, they are usually the first drives to fail on a heavily loaded SCSI bus with a mix of devices. Seems to be an electrical thing, that they are more picky about bus loading than the other devices I generally use. Fact is, I often take advantage of this ``feature'' of the drives while testing, since I can count on them to intermittantly fail if I load the bus up enough with other devices. :-) -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 09:20:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22445 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (root@gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22350; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by gallup.cia-g.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA10682; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:21:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:21:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Stephen Fisher To: Gordon Henderson cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and 3com590/595 cards. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I haven't had many problems with the vx0 driver except yesterday it got weird system errors then it rebooted! Never seen that kind of error before. So I was trying 3c509's - This driver is said to be buggy too. [It only detects it half the time when booting.] I really would like to use 3com cards.. anyone have workarounds? Any way I can help? I use 2.1R. On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Gordon Henderson wrote: > > I recently built a new server with FreeBSD 2.2-960501-SNAP to make use of > the 3com590 cards that we wished to use. > > The driver support for them is very flakey. I can repeatedly cause the > system to stop all traffic flowing over the ethernet card, requiring an > ifconfig vx0 down ; sleep 1 ; ifconfig vx0 up > to restore connectivity. > > Is anyone working on a better driver? especially one that uses all > features of the hardware (and not just polling) as we also have a > requirement to use 3c595's as soon as possible to make use of their > 100Mb/sec transfers. > - Steve - Systems Manager - Community Internet Access - http://www.cia-g.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 10:20:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26024 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26018 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dashadow@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA23503; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:19:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hart To: Jouke Dijkstra cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? In-Reply-To: <31BC4C16.167EB0E7@epsilon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jouke Dijkstra wrote: > The easy way to do this is to type -c at the boot > prompt and configure the kernel as you like. > Just remember that the easy way is not always the best way. Once you use -c to change your kernel options things will run fine, until you recompile your kernel and reboot to use it. Then you will notice that all settings are back to the old way. Kind of a pain to change that every time. Best way is to go in to the source and edit the settings in there, that way each time you add something new (hardware or what have you...) it does not require you to do a -c again. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Hart, System Administrator Technet Internet Services dashadow@tchnet.com (517)796-8200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 13:16:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14455 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.pc.centuryinter.net (www.carrinter.net [206.65.177.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14391 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by host.pc.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA18449; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:15:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: bill Subject: subscribe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 14:46:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29663 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29637 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ken (tsunami.awod.com [198.81.225.31]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06965; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:46:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960611014607.00738448@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:46:07 -0400 To: Dave Andersen From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? Cc: root@edmweb.com, isp@freebsd.org, taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:42 PM 6/9/96 -0600, you wrote: >Lo and behold, Brian Tao once said: > >> Yup... many times under 2.1.0R and only once so far with >> 2.2-960501. > > Here's another once under -stable. > >> > The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and >> > SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC >> > EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. >> >> The odd thing here is that only one machine here (that I know of) >> exhibits this behaviour. It is a 486DX4/100, ASUS P/I-486SP3G >> motherboard with 32MB RAM and the same EtherPower card, running at 10 Mbps. >> We have a dozen other P133 servers with the same model of SMC's and > > The machine of ours that hung is a P100, triton, 2 adaptec 2940s, and >an Intel EtherExpress 10/100 running at 10Mbps. > > I think I smell a common feature -- we're all using the fxp0 driver. >This server never exhibited this before I dropped in the EtherExpress. >Are there any known bugs in the driver? (I would assume not). Not a fxp0 driver problem. I have similar problems using the SMC ETh10/100 with Digital chipset. I'm running 2.1R and have these problems. I will be supping to current (6/8) which seems to be stable on another test server. Beyond just not reaching any other local nodes, I have occasions where I can only reach some nodes on our LAN. We have lots of proxy-arps from our xyplex terminal servers. On average, over 200 arp entries. I patched for some of the proxy-arp bugs, but still have similar problems. -ken From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 14:56:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02216 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02175 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ken (tsunami.awod.com [198.81.225.31]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07796; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:55:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960611015559.00748c94@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:55:59 -0400 To: admin@mail.multinet.net (graydon hoare) From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:50 AM 6/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >install/probe boot disk, and it still failes to initialize the device. These >are standard ethernet cards -- intel etherpros, SMCs etc. I must be doing I have used ISA NE2000 clones and 3C509s with great success. Make sure that you have configured the kernel for the correct params in the visual config. I haven't used the etherpro or smc (isa) so no comment there. >The machine is a genuineintel IBM PS/Valuepoint 486/dx2-50 (I can hear you >groaning) with 32mb and an adaptec SCSI controller with 2 units, 1GB seagate >drive and a sony CDROM (the local store is all out of the walnut creek CDs, >hence the network install). It's all quite "normal" hardware, shouldn't be >having any trouble at all. I still have old reliable a valuepoint 486sx/25 w/8mb which ran BSD 2.0 for more than 3 months (as a news-server no less) without a crash! :) That is better than some of my newer equipment. I also used that as a T-1 router for 4 months with no crash! :) Solid machines, not the bleeding edge in speed, but IBM conservatism in servers is a GOOD thing. -ken -ken From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 15:40:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09159 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09148; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA06923; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:36:52 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606102306.IAA06923@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and 3com590/595 cards. To: lithium@cia-g.com (Stephen Fisher) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:36:51 +0930 (CST) Cc: gordon@drogon.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Fisher" at Jun 10, 96 10:21:49 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Fisher stands accused of saying: > > I haven't had many problems with the vx0 driver except yesterday it got > weird system errors then it rebooted! Never seen that kind of error > before. So I was trying 3c509's - This driver is said to be buggy too. > [It only detects it half the time when booting.] > > I really would like to use 3com cards.. anyone have workarounds? Any way > I can help? I use 2.1R. Don't use 3com cards. Try SMC if you want hardware that works, and is supported. The 'vx' driver is AFAIK slated for a total rewrite, and the 'ep' driver suffers from cantankerous hardware. > - Steve -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 16:30:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20605 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sis.gen.nz (root@ppp-604.ihug.co.nz [206.101.219.96]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20564 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phillip@localhost) by sis.gen.nz (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10231; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:32:39 +1200 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:32:38 +1200 (NZST) From: Phillip Hardy To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? In-Reply-To: <199606101425.JAA14290@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > are standard ethernet cards -- intel etherpros, SMCs etc. I must be doing > > something wrong. Did anyone meet with some serious head-smacking when > > configuring ethernet cards, anyone who might share a little secret here? > > Are you really sure that all your settings are right, and the card is > someplace that FreeBSD is looking for it? I have 2 NE2000's and it found my firest card without Worrys. I edited my Kernel and now have 2 Perfectly working NE2000's.. No major hassles. > > The machine is a genuineintel IBM PS/Valuepoint 486/dx2-50 (I can hear you > > groaning) with 32mb and an adaptec SCSI controller with 2 units, 1GB seagate > > drive and a sony CDROM (the local store is all out of the walnut creek CDs, > > hence the network install). It's all quite "normal" hardware, shouldn't be > > having any trouble at all. > > Anyone who thinks an IBM PS/anything is "quite normal hardware"... > nevermind. Personly id not Touch a PS/anything.. But yeh.. he needs a hand.. > > thanks for any input. > Check what you're doing. Try a regular PC. SMC cards work fine, NE2000's > work fine, others work fine but I generally don't use them. Yeh.. i Tryed SMC and NE2000's had no probs... Check your Kernel.. and try telling it Exactly where it is.. if you need help with seting up send me some Email at phillip@bsdnet.org > ... Joe Phill --- Phillip W. Hardy phillip@sis.gen.nz, phillip@bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 17:03:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26265 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26258 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA18418; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110003.RAA18418@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dave Andersen cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:25:04 MDT." <199606100625.AAA11065@terra.aros.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:03:16 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Lo and behold, David Greenman once said: > >> There aren't any known bugs in the driver, but the 82557 chip (the NIC) has >> a bug that causes it to "go away" when it sees any garbage data. There is a >> "work around" that basically amounts to resetting the chip if you don't see >> any traffic in seconds. I think this is pretty disgusting, however, so I >> didn't implement it. The newer revision chips are supposed to have this >> problem fixed. > > Too much fun. :) Will downing the interface and bringing it back up >reset the chip properly, Yes. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 17:26:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28549 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28538 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA18492; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110026.RAA18492@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: admin@mail.multinet.net (graydon hoare) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernets are supposed to work, right? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:50:55 EDT." <199606101329.NAA10587@mail.multinet.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:26:21 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi -- I recently posted that I was having trouble getting the network >install done, it seems to be a problem in the driver of some sort, I've The 'ix' driver is broken, but the 'ed' driver has no known bugs. Can you elaborate on the symptoms? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 19:27:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA11618 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11608 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28552; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Dave Andersen cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? In-Reply-To: <199606092042.OAA11101@terra.aros.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Dave Andersen wrote: > > I think I smell a common feature -- we're all using the fxp0 driver. Actually, I'm using the de0 driver (SMC EtherPower 9332 with the DEC 21140 chip). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 10 20:09:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15336 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15322 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id UAA07428 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tpatel@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00486 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:13:06 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199606102213.WAA00486@ecpi.com> Subject: Help: Can't have more then 4 ppp users? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:13:06 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Please help. > > Recently I got new lines from the phone company, I am able to support > 4 ppp connection at one time (running 2.0.5 and user mode ppp). But, when > 5th person connects I get massage saying "can't find ifindex" and then > "device not configured". > Following is my ppp.log file info. > > 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] Using interface: tun3 > 06-09 22:32:11 [19989] PPP Started. > 06-09 22:32:30 [19989] SIGHUP > 06-09 22:32:31 [19989] PPP Terminated. > 06-09 22:33:11 [19985] Using interface: tun3 > Packet mode enabled > Packet mode enabled > > I have compiled the kernel with the following options. > > # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device > #pseudo-device ppp 16 > pseudo-device tun 16 > pseudo-device pty 16 > pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's > > Do I need to specify anything else in the kernel? > > I have made all the devices using "MAKEDEV tun4" etc. > > When I specify netstat -ain I do see 16 tun devices. > Only difference is tun4 has MTU of 552. How do I change back to > 1500? > > tun0 1500 92126 0 90675 0 0 > tun0 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 92126 0 90675 0 0 > tun1 1500 34916 0 38017 0 0 > tun1 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 34916 0 38017 0 0 > tun2* 1500 23286 0 27176 0 0 > tun3* 1500 9704 0 10618 0 0 > tun4* 552 4415 0 3898 0 0 > tun5* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun6* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun7* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun8* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun9* 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun10 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun11 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun12 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun13 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun14 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > tun15 1500 0 0 0 0 0 > > > Please help. > > Thanks, > Tushar > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 12 09:54:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16368 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (root@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16362; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.83.63.13] (apfel.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.13]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25601; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:53:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: petzi@mail.zit.th-darmstadt.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199606081427.QAA04029@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <199606070653.XAA08211@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at Jun 6, 96 11:52:53 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:22:05 +0200 To: Wilko Bulte From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Re: ERROR info:747d9d asc:11,0 Unrecovered read error, other SCSI issues Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >And in lots of Digital Equipment machines... Did you know that Quantum Atlas drives are based on DEC technology ? Quantum drives other than Atlas are not. I have made good experiences with Atlas drives, and would always recommend them. Michael From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 12 20:55:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05422 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05417 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA09347 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:12:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quantum Atlas (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:09:54 -0500 (CDT) From: coneill@premier.net Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com To: ISP-List Subject: Re: Quantum Atlas Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:10:26 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Greg Niemialkowski wrote: > Seems to me, that a lot of people are using Barracudas. How about > Quantum Atlas series? > Has anybody had bad experience with them, to be the one that people are > not talking about? We think about buying couple of them for our ISP. > Can anybody advise against doing so? We've got 3 of the 2gb models in our news server and are extremely pleased with them. We're about to put in two more. My understanding is that they run a little cooler than the Barracudas, and my personal experience (unfortunately) is that they can deal with heat rather well. (Example, I had two of them stacked in a mini-tower case for 3 weeks w/o a problem). However, I strongly suggest cooling them well if you plan on making them last. Lastly, don't confuse them with the Grand Prix series. You'll hear a lot of bad things about the Grand Prix's because a they had a run of them with bad bearings early on. We've got one of the 4gb ones, and they run much hotter than the 2gb Atlas's we have. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clayton O'Neill Business--> Premier One Inc whatever@oneill.net clayton@premier.net http://www.oneill.net <--Personal http://www.premier.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 06:48:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24134 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DGS.dgsys.com (root@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24129 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from justine.elastica.com by DGS.dgsys.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18341; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:45:52 -0400 Received: (from robert@localhost) by justine.elastica.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01457; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) To: Michael Dillon Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quantum Atlas (fwd) References: From: robert@elastica.com Date: 14 Jun 1996 09:48:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: Michael Dillon's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Lines: 1 X-Mailer: September Gnus v0.91/XEmacs 19.13 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the 4GIG that's going strong. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 09:43:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04365 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04360 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA00927; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:00:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MCI Problems - need to buy some bandwidth (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:05 +0000 From: dave@ns1.wwisp.com Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com To: inet-access@earth.com Subject: Re: MCI Problems - need to buy some bandwidth Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:40 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com I was not only informed if this by our sales rep but even the branch manager here in Alabama..... This is going to take place and any contracts that do not allow for this price increase will be changed.... Dave > > Were you told this by an MCI sales rep? I am curious where I can > research this info as a good friend of mine is ready to purchase > service from MCI. > > -Steve > > I would RUn not walk away from MCI.... Starting 3rd quarter they > > are changing the pricing in T-1's to usage based pricing.... My > > understanding is that if you use over 50% of your T-1 you will be > > paying about $5,000.00 and the contract that they give you to sign > > allows for this. > > > > Good Luck From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 10:22:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06167 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (root@mojo.calyx.net [204.137.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06161 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jw@localhost) by mojo.calyx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA05199; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Williams To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Best config for user shell machine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have just set up a public-access UNIX shell machine with FreeBSD, and everything is running great. My question, though, is: what is the best version of the kernel/libc/utils to be using? Stability is important to me, but I noticed most of the posters to this list seem to be running some 2.2-SNAP or other beta code. Is there a good reason to do this? Thanks for your time. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John L. Williams - Chief Network Engineer, Riot Graphics Corp. System Administrator, Calyx Internet Access jw@riot.net - jw@calyx.net - jw@pirahna.net - jw@netpimp.com - jw@cartel.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 11:13:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08884 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08877 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunghole.dunn.org (bunghole.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17006; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606131759.NAA17006@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, John Williams Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:55:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Best config for user shell machine Reply-to: dunn@harborcom.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you need stability, you do not want anything with 2.2 in front of it. This is all code under development, and it does go through periods of being broken. If you need to set up this machine now, grab 2.1-960606-SNAP to bootstrap, then upgrade the stable source tree, and make the world. There you will be with 2.1-stable. If you can wait a little, 2.1.5 should be out soon, and that should be very stable. On 13 Jun 96 at 13:22, John Williams wrote: > > Hi, I have just set up a public-access UNIX shell machine with > FreeBSD, and everything is running great. > > My question, though, is: what is the best version of the > kernel/libc/utils to be using? Stability is important to me, but I > noticed most of the posters to this list seem to be running some > 2.2-SNAP or other beta code. Is there a good reason to do this? Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications -- www.haborcom.net or something... From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 12:28:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13082 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tad.cetlink.net (ns1.cetlink.net [206.31.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13076 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by tad.cetlink.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA02004; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Wheat Message-Id: <199606131928.PAA02004@tad.cetlink.net> Subject: Re: MCI Problems - need to buy some bandwidth (fwd) To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Jun 13, 96 09:42:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Michael Dillon's email > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:05 +0000 > From: dave@ns1.wwisp.com > Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com > To: inet-access@earth.com > Subject: Re: MCI Problems - need to buy some bandwidth > Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:40 -0500 (CDT) > Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com > > I was not only informed if this by our sales rep but even the branch > manager here in Alabama..... This is going to take place and any > contracts that do not allow for this price increase will be > changed.... I just spoke with my sales and support groups of the above pricing and was informed that these per-usage price increases only affect circuits above T1 speeds. They do not apply to T1 circuits. In fact, my sales contact at MCI even went so far as to suggest that my company by multiple T1's and multiplex them to save on costs. Regards, Jeff > > Dave > > > > Were you told this by an MCI sales rep? I am curious where I can > > research this info as a good friend of mine is ready to purchase > > service from MCI. > > > > -Steve > > > > I would RUn not walk away from MCI.... Starting 3rd quarter they > > > are changing the pricing in T-1's to usage based pricing.... My > > > understanding is that if you use over 50% of your T-1 you will be > > > paying about $5,000.00 and the contract that they give you to sign > > > allows for this. > > > > > > Good Luck > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 21:14:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA04924 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04914 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from circle.net (demeter.circle.net [207.79.160.41]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id VAA13843 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from troy@localhost) by circle.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA17241; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Arie Cobb To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Poppassd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone managed to get poppassd to work? For those who've never heard of it, poppassd implements the POP password changing protocol used by Eudora among others. Compiles fine. Having some problems with the funky virtual tty things it is doing. It just drops connection after getting the new password, but doesn't change anything. *shrug* any help would be appreciated. - troy Troy Arie Cobb troy@circle.net ------------------------------------------------------ | Circle Net, Inc. | global internet access | | http://www.circle.net | for western north carolina | | info@circle.net | and beyond... | | 704-254-9500 | | ------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 13 23:28:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11186 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lynx.its.unimelb.edu.au (lynx.its.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.20.151]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11177 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by lynx.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA01942; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:27:41 +1000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:27:41 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Troy Arie Cobb cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poppassd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Troy Arie Cobb wrote: > > Has anyone managed to get poppassd to work? > > For those who've never heard of it, poppassd > implements the POP password changing protocol > used by Eudora among others. Compiles fine. > Having some problems with the funky virtual > tty things it is doing. It just drops > connection after getting the new password, > but doesn't change anything. > > *shrug* > > any help would be appreciated. Well, passwd itself has code in it to prevent being used from a pty. The simplest thing to do is to recompile passwd without that test in it. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 09:31:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA26203 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26198 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id JAA20829 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunghole.dunn.org (bunghole.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA15663; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606141627.MAA15663@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Troy Arie Cobb Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:23:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Poppassd Reply-to: dunn@harborcom.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got it to work on BSD/OS. It should probably work no prob on FreeBSD I would assume. The code I used is available at: ftp://ftp.bsdi.com/contrib/mail/poppassd-bsdos-1.1.tar.gz This code has some mods for BSD-type tty semantics I think. This file above comes with a precompiled version. You don't want this. Delete poppassd.o and poppassd, edit the Makefile and add -lcrypt to the LIBS, then type make. If it doesn't work let me know. Maybe this should be a port....hmmmm... On 14 Jun 96 at 0:11, Troy Arie Cobb wrote: > Has anyone managed to get poppassd to work? > > For those who've never heard of it, poppassd > implements the POP password changing protocol > used by Eudora among others. Compiles fine. > Having some problems with the funky virtual > tty things it is doing. It just drops > connection after getting the new password, > but doesn't change anything. Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications -- www.haborcom.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 13:37:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15064 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xs1.simplex.nl (xs1.simplex.NL [193.78.46.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15040 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:37:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Organisation-1: Simplex Networking Amsterdam X (Inter)Network X-Organisation-2: Kruislaan 419-38a 1098 VA Amsterdam X Solutions & X-Organisation-3: tel:+31(20)-6932433 fax:+31(20)-6685486 X Access Provider Received: (from rob@localhost) by xs1.simplex.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3-RS) id WAA19619 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:36:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:36:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rob Simons Message-Id: <199606142036.WAA19619@xs1.simplex.nl> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: virtual ftp setup Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Maybe not so FreeBSD related, but does anyone know if it's possible to have a virtual ftp server setup ? Which programm do I need, and what will be the general setup ? Is there also a good way to do some accounting, i.e. keep track of usage, files, sizes, source addresses etc .. ? Thanks, - Rob. /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ /* Rob Simons | rob@simplex.nl *\ /* ------------ | ------------- | -------- | ------- *\ /* Novell Netware System Operator | UNIX system operator *\ /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 15:46:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27786 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radio.nwpros.com (nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27777 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rickbox.nwpros.com (rickbox.nwpros.com [205.229.128.217]) by radio.nwpros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14454 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960614225655.0068926c@nwpros.com> X-Sender: rickg@nwpros.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:56:55 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rick Gray Subject: Sendmail Hell Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a simple newbie problem...again! Seems that for some odd reason the webmaster@nwpros.com is user unknown. Any ideas what happened? Any ideas how to make it work again? I haven't changed anything in my aliases or sendmail.cf to cause this. Earlier I had UUNet call me and say that they were getting all the my mail for root, admin and webmaster. How can this be? Does FreeBSD install sendmail with defaults for this or am I way off base? Sendmail -bv root shows it is going to root@ns.uunet.net. I also see in sendmail.cf that all undeliverable mail will go to ns.uunet.net. I did not configure this. Could this be part of my problem? Help!!! Thanks. :-{)> ************************************************ Rick Gray Network Pros, Inc. rickg@nwpros.com "It is a good day to die." ----Klingon Philosophy ************************************************ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 15:55:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28491 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28461 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA11231 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:48:22 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id QAA21045; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:18 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606142147.QAA21045@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: virtual ftp setup To: rob@xs1.simplex.nl (Rob Simons) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606142036.WAA19619@xs1.simplex.nl> from "Rob Simons" at Jun 14, 96 10:36:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Maybe not so FreeBSD related, but does anyone know if it's possible > to have a virtual ftp server setup ? > Which programm do I need, and what will be the general setup ? > Is there also a good way to do some accounting, i.e. keep track > of usage, files, sizes, source addresses etc .. ? > > Thanks, It's quite doable, it works with wu-ftpd, there is a patch that you should find in the wu-ftpd archives. Example: ftp.gmttech.com. Usage tracking is a little more complicated and you're on your own :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 15:55:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28505 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28474 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA11068 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:26:11 -0700 Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA15609; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:43:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Rob Simons cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtual ftp setup In-Reply-To: <199606142036.WAA19619@xs1.simplex.nl> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Rob Simons wrote: > Maybe not so FreeBSD related, but does anyone know if it's possible > to have a virtual ftp server setup ? > Which programm do I need, and what will be the general setup ? > Is there also a good way to do some accounting, i.e. keep track > of usage, files, sizes, source addresses etc .. ? Somebody has created a version of wu-ftpd that handles virtual domains on Linux. I imagine it would not be hard to port to FreeBSD. A WWW search on "virtual" and "ftpd" and "Linux" should turn it up. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 16:10:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29716 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29707 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenh (ppp08.wtrt.net [205.231.181.78]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27700 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:10:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199606142310.SAA27700@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:09:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a question that I hope has an easy answer. Here is what I am trying to do. I want to dial out on a modem,connected to cuaa1. Nothing fancy, not to connect to PPP or anything, just straight ascii. I need it to look for prompts and answer them, and then log off. Just looking around I thought that chat might be the answer. I have tried it with no luck. It looks like it is using standard out/in instead of the modem line. If anyone can help or recommend another utility, I would appreciate it. Allen Hyer West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 16:52:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03877 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03872 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id QAA04673; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Allen Hyer cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199606142310.SAA27700@inetsrv.wtrt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Allen Hyer wrote: > fancy, not to connect to PPP or anything, just straight ascii. I need it > to look for prompts and answer them, and then log off. Sounds like a job for UUCP. If you can't accomplish everything you need to do with a UUCP chat script you could sertainly use it as the basis for a custom hack. > Just looking > around I thought that chat might be the answer. I have tried it with no > luck. It looks like it is using standard out/in instead of the modem You have to take care of the dialing etc.., then you can fork and exec chat with stdin/stdout already setup. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems Dana Point, California From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 18:13:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08934 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.dcrt.nih.gov (ost118.capecod.net [204.255.214.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08929 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from crtb@localhost) by localhost.dcrt.nih.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00665; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:13:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:13:27 -0400 From: Chuck Bacon Message-Id: <199606150113.VAA00665@localhost.dcrt.nih.gov> To: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Dialing out with a script Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Where the script is the important part, not just the dialing, consider Kermit. A Kermit script is not hard to understand, and Kermit really does pretty well with modem and flow control. and with lock files. Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 14 21:09:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21929 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21919 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dashadow@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA23089; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:09:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hart To: Michael Dillon cc: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtual ftp setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Michael Dillon wrote: > Somebody has created a version of wu-ftpd that handles virtual domains on > Linux. I imagine it would not be hard to port to FreeBSD. > > A WWW search on "virtual" and "ftpd" and "Linux" should turn it up. Actually, just go to the Ports collection on cd, or via lynx and check it out in there. I am sure that is where I got it. (I am running wu-ftpd here, and it works great, except there is a patch to allow virtual ftp sites, I do believe.) John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Hart, System Administrator Technet Internet Services dashadow@tchnet.com (517)796-8200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 15 00:11:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04092 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04085 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA29804; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:28:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com Subject: The FCC wants you!!! Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you are an American ISP, you had better take note of this. Canadian ISP's have already discovered that filing comments with the CRTC (Canadian version of the FCC) is a potent force that CAN make things happen. If you, the reader of this message, are just a sysadmin grunt, please pass it on to the boss. This is important stuff. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:13:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Hughes Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com To: inet-access@earth.com Subject: Re: Accuracies of My Own Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com Jack Rickard says: > > In any event, my perception is that Dave is always early to the table, and > by the time the world is ready to buy something, he's already moved on. I > was vaguely aware of his wireless activities, and somewhat more interested > in them with the recent NIIBand proposals. There ARE some issues and I do > hope Dave is successful in steering this toward the 15 km version as > opposed to the limited range Wireless LAN version some of the big guys seem > to be determined to push through. > > In fact, this is actually a rather key issue specifically for Internet > Service Providers and more specifically for those in rural areas. As a > newbie to the mailing list, I may be reintroducing something that has > already been done to death. But this NIIBand could be a huge advantage for > small ISP's in rural areas (not JUST academia and K-12 Dave) if done right, > and another fiasco if done wrong. The FCC has this open for comment now. > If Mr. Hughes would provide info on docket numbers and where to write, you > all could have a significant impact. On the one hand, you can offer 24 > Mbps links by radio at 10-15 km. On the other, 3COM can do wireless LAN > inside a building for about 1000 feet. All from a stroke of the FCC pen. > > Yes, this is a far more significant issue than most ISPs realize - whether the FCC, in both responding to the Apple-WINForum proposal to allocate 350Mhz of spectrum in the 5Ghz bands for what the FCC dubbed the "NII/SUPERNET" Band for 'no licence' wireless - will do that in BOTH the 'wireless lan' segment AS WELL AS the requested '15 km' segments and thus permit anyone, including ISPs to have no-comm cost bandwidth up to 2Mbps between two points, or, with relay, 1Mbps (above and below T-1) for the cost of the radios. Spread spectrum technology which is a revolution in radio communications (wide band, digital processor controlled low power - with no practical interference versus traditional narrow frequency band high power - with so much interferecne, the frquencies have to be licenced and highly controlled). And yes I, and a too-small handful of others are deep into the issues at the FCC level as the decision hangs in the balance. Because I am the Principal Investigator on the $375,700 'Wireless Field Test for Education Project' I was invited to a roundtable with FCC Commissioners nominally debating 'wireless for education' two weeks ago, and, using our real-world wireless project going on in the San Luis Valley (one school being relaibaly connected now 15 miles at 115kbs, bypassing US West, from NT-Lan router to Cisco Router at the POP. Zero local loop cost) and reporting on the other projects we have examined (8 Belen, New Mexico Schools, conected T-1 between each other in a WAN - up to 10 miles across the district. Zero local loop cost (which would normally run $84,000 a year wiht telco T-1 between schools). We made an impression, but know what giant forces we are up against. Some FCC staffers want to 'auction' the longer range (even 15km) stuff. Some big communications companies, led by the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Assn - CTIA, would like all 'no-licence' that can compete with them to be killed. Our arguements, that got a few thinking anyway, was that IF the FCC rules permit radios to be made which go 15-45 miles, no licence, no interference, and solve the problem of the 16,000 school districts whose biggest problem is the cost of bandwidth *between* school building of a district first, then the cost from the main hub to the POP, second, then between the student and/or teacher at home to the school, at 56kbs or above, THEN the problem of 'community' networking will also be solved. For school districts are coincident where people live and log on from. (ditto ISPs) We turned a few heads when I showed my calcuations that, if the 14 School Districts of the SanLuis Valley are connected to the one central POP at T-1 by US West, it will cost $1.2 million over 10 years. If by T-1 25mile radios (yeas they exist now) it will cost $173,000 for the same 10 years. Now if ISPs want to strike a blow for economic telecom freedom, you can start by accessing our NSF Wireless Field Test web site, http://wireless.oldcolo.com and go into the Regulatory section where you will find direct documents, links to the FCC, the Belen Paper, and my long but piercing piece 'The Case for Public Spectrum' (and if you are a skeptic about the technology, read the Paul Baran short papers - the invetor of packet switching) Then all you have to do to sumbit public comments o the NIIBand matter is to email: 96-102@fcc.gov and that is the email address for the Docket Item. You *must* comment before July 15th, or yours will not be considered. (but under the law and regulation, if you *do* comment, your comments must be summarized by the staff and presented to the COmmissioners with the staff views. You do NOT have to comment on all the heavy duty technical issues. Right from the chief FCC Engineer who drafts the rules, and was the father of the original Spread Spectrum rules in 1985 he says that your statemnt of what you NEED, and why, would be much appreciated. As simple as 'I am an ISP who needs T-1 from my site, 8 miles to the nearest POP, no licence/cost wirless, with a radio I can afford' is to the point. (of course the more you show your technical economic need in sophisticated terms the better it will be received. The FCC engineers are no dummies and political handwaving doesn't impress them (it only impresses the COmmissioners whenthe handwavers are called AT&T or Congress) I can just about assure you the FCC staff doesn't even know you exist, as a class, (small ISPs) or what function you serve in the food chain, or why you shouldn't just pay $650 a month for your local loop T-1 like anybody else. And unless you email them (and they now have a policy that email must be taken as seriously as formal paper mail filings), your colective case won't even be mentioned when the likes of Motorola, AT&T, CTIA, the NSA (who gets gas pains when secure wireless is mentioned) are testifying. All will not be totally lost if this NPRM does not fly (new spectrum) for we still have the more congested Part 15, 1 watt bands. And the 4 NSF types who attended the FCC rountable were impressed enough with our case that we spent a day with them and they are about to fund a 'developmental' project that will be done by TAPR, that may bring you that $500 T-1 plug and play radio, with range. (by licencing the guts to mfgrs). Matter of fact I will be in Washington DC at the NSF Monday on this (being carrie dby my sidekick in radio engineering matters) and two other matters. One of which will (their idea, not ours) see part of our team in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia in August, linking 8 sites to the satellite Spintlink downlink site run by Mongolian engineers in an old Soviet lab. (web page at www.magic.mn already - but they can't get the signal across town, so crappy is their phone system). So by September you willbe pinging systems in Mongolia, the last 10km of which will be wireless. I always wanted to help set up the Ghengis Khan BBS in a Mongolian yurt, running OS2 (cause IBM is everywhere), with NAPLPS character sets (Chinese, Cyrilli Russian, and Mongolian - none of which are ascii), solar powered, and with spread spectrum radios linking China to Russia. With nary a Telco in a hundred miles. And I got a hunch I will have that done before ISPs in NYC do it. Dave Hughes dave@oldcolo.com Oh yeah, if you http://192.160.122.3 you will reach, by wireless, the OS2 system in my home. Not blazingly fast beacause I am trying out a different set of radios. And teh wired 56kbs frame relay to which it is attached is actuallythe slowest link in the chain. But its been running 160kbs for almost a year now, for $0 cost from me to my own Internet service. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 15 10:38:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06173 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06168 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id NAA08492; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199606151737.NAA08492@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: Sendmail Hell To: rickg@nwpros.com (Rick Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960614225655.0068926c@nwpros.com> from Rick Gray at "Jun 14, 96 05:56:55 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rick Gray writes: > I have a simple newbie problem...again! > > Seems that for some odd reason the webmaster@nwpros.com is user unknown. Any > ideas what happened? Any ideas how to make it work again? I haven't changed > anything in my aliases or sendmail.cf to cause this. Something in your system has to have changed if mail to root and webmaster worked in the past. Something is broken: 220-radio.nwpros.com Sendmail 8.6.12/8.6.12 ready at Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:31:37 -0500 220 ESMTP spoken here expn root@nwpros.com 250- 250- 250 What version of FreeBSD are you running? Did you upgrade anything recently? Is webmaster still in your alias file? Is root in your alias file? It is always a good idea to mention the version of FreeBSD that you are running. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 15 18:10:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27494 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbeth.ienet.com (macbeth.ienet.com [207.78.32.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27465 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brutus.ienet.com (brutus.ienet.com [207.78.32.152]) by macbeth.ienet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07332; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31C36067.2B76@ienet.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:16:23 -0700 From: Terry Lee Organization: Internet Design Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dillon CC: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu, linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com Subject: Re: The FCC wants you!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon wrote: > If you are an American ISP, you had better take note of this. Canadian > ISP's have already discovered that filing comments with the CRTC (Canadian > version of the FCC) is a potent force that CAN make things happen. If you, > the reader of this message, are just a sysadmin grunt, please pass it on > to the boss. This is important stuff. This IS a big deal. The latest developments on this that I can find are at: http://home.navisoft.com/nspi/n1.html http://wireless.oldcolo.com/fcc96193.txt (be sure to look at sections 43-48 and 66) http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_331.html (old stuff still) As it stands, the FCC is proposing to limit use of the newly allocated spectrum to short range applications (50-100 meters). However, the technology is capable of medium range multi-megabit transmissions up to 15 km! This is the major issue of concern for regional ISPs, and the FCC has left this issue open for further comment. Apple is the main proponent of this longer range use. The opponents are companies like AT&T, and other monster telecommunications companies who have a vested interest in keeping long range communications as restrictive as possible. Here's how to comment: 66. Comment. Pursuant to applicable procedures set forth in Sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's Rules, interested parties may file comments on or before [Sixty days after the date of publication in the Federal Register], and reply comments on or before [Ninety days after the date of publication in the Federal Register]. All relevant and timely comments will be considered by the Commission before final action is taken in this proceeding. To file formally in this proceeding, participants must file an original and four copies of all comments, reply comments, and supporting comments. If participants want each Commissioner to receive a personal copy of their comments, an original plus nine comments must be filed. Comments and reply comments should be sent to Office of the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission, Washington, DC 20554. Comments and reply comments will be available for public inspection during regular business hours in the FCC Reference Center (Room 239) of the Federal Communications Commission, 1919 M Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20554. Additionally, informal comments may be filed over the Internet to 96-102@fcc.gov. I believe formal comments should be submitted with the following first page header: Before the Federal Communications Commission Washington, D.C. 20554 In the Matter of ) ) Amendment of the Commission’s Rules to ) ET Docket No. 96-102 Provide for Unlicensed NII/SUPERNet ) RM-8648 Operations in the 5 GHz Frequency Range ) RM-8653 ) COMMENTS OF Informal comments should probably use the same format. Hope you all get a chance to speak up on this issue. -- I N T E R N E T Terry Lee, Technical Director D E S I G N 611 W. 6th St., Ste. 3201, Los Angeles, CA 90017 G R O U P 213.488.6100 voice 213.488.6101 fax http://www.mall.net mailto:terryl@ienet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 15 20:05:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04264 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04253 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA20601; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:22:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Internet Infrastructure Conference Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Gordon Cook Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com To: inet-access@earth.com Subject: Internet Infrastructure Conference Announcement Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com A TeleStrategies Conference with The COOK Report on Internet BUILDING AND MANAGING AN INDUSTRIAL-STRENGTH INTERNET SERVICE CONFERENCE TRACK I: NEXT-GENERATION INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE Opportunities for Telcos, ISPs, Cable and Wireless Companies WEDNESDAY JULY 24, 1996 8:00-9:00 Registration 9:00-10:15 PREPARING THE WAY FOR THE NEXT TEN MILLION NEW USERS Rapid growth is taxing infrastructure. The panelists will focus on the following key infrastructure issues: What must be done to solve issues of addressing and routing; whether these changes concentrate power in the hands of fewer than ten national players; and, why routing is not scaling well and whether it will take new router architectures to solve this problem. What is Cisco's strategy? Richard Mandelbaum, President and CEO Nysernet Steve Wolff, Director Business Development, Cisco Systems 10:15-10:45 Coffee Break 10:45-12:30 WILL IXCs DRIVE THE ISP MARKET? For the first time the three largest IXCs are major market players. What are the opportunities? Where is the market? What business model shakes out of pursuit of the dial-up-user mass market? Is there a market in high- quality corporate services? What role will TeleGlobe international play? Lane Bess, Director of Product Marketing, AT&T World Net Services Bob Collet, Vice President of Data Services, TeleGlobe International Brad Hokamp, Director, SprintLink Marketing, Sprint Farooq Hussain, Senior Manager, Internet Networking Services, MCI Telecommunications Corporation 12:30-1:30 Hosted Lunch and Exhibits 1:30-2:15 GUARANTEED BANDWIDTH ON DEMAND: THE RSVP PROTOCOL RSVP is a TCP/IP resource reservation protocol that gives users bandwidth on demand. RSVP, which will enable the bandwidth-intensive demands of the automotive industry, is seen as an answer to the lack of user- controllable ATM Switched Virtual Circuits (SVC). What are the business opportunities in the bandwidth-on-demand market? How will RSVP get us there? Richard Blatt, RSVP Program Manager, BBN Planet 2:15-3:15 THE INTERNET MARKET FOR ELECTRONIC DATA INTERCHANGE (EDI) What is the current market for EDI? What are the challenges (including standards) ahead? What needs to happen to internet infrastructure to grow and strengthen this market? Robert Bower, Senior Director Strategic Relationships Harbinger Corporation Kendra Martin, EDI Manager, American Petroleum Institute, and Chair of the ANSI ASC X12 Committee 3:15-3:45 Break and Exhibits 3:45-5:30 THE FUTURE OF NETWORK INTERCONNECTIONS: NAPs and MAEs Level-three peering among the big five is pushing technology barriers. In the absence of new technology, what are the choices for data exchange between ISPs? In the absence of open multilateral peering agreements, how many public interchanges for use by all ISPs will be viable? Will routing from a neutral third party be accepted? How the routing arbiter and its route servers affect the situation? B. J. Chang, Director Global Network Services, MFS Datanet Peter Ford, Senior Manager of Internet Business Development MCI Telecommunications Corporation Nick Lordi, Director NII/Internet Applications and Analysis, Bellcore Benham Malcom, Director - SprintLink Engineering, Sprint 5:30-7:00 Reception and Exhibits THURSDAY JULY 25, 1996 8:30-9:45 INTERNET TELEPHONY Cells in Frames is a Cornell University project whose goal is to run ATM over 10-BASE-T Ethernet. This will create a single digital communications system for voice, video and data through out the university -- allowing telephones to plug into workstations and thereby render the PBX obsolete. Speakers will explain the Cornell project and IBM's new software that will allow phone calls from the Internet to anywhere in the PSTN. Richard Cogger, Assist Director Information Technologies Cornell University David van Voorhis, Product Manager - Internet MultiMedia, IBM 9:45-10:00 Coffee Break and Exhibits 10:00-11:15 ATM AND THE INTERNET BUSINESS MODEL ATM will find its place in the Internet by the end of this year. Will that place be as a backbone switching fabric or will it be with switched virtual circuits for the sale of reserved bandwidth? Can ATM as a connection-oriented transport fabric be cost effective in a connectionless environment, or will new routing technologies relegate ATM to a peripheral role? John Curran, Chief Technical Officer, BBN Planet Tony Rosatta, ATM Product Manager, Sprint Steve Tabaska, Vice President Data Network Engineering, MCI Telecommunications Corporation Gordon Cook, Moderator 11:30-12:45 RENUMBERING: HOW NECESSARY AN EVIL? The Internet Engineering Task Force's Procedures for Internet and Enterprise Renumbering (PIER) Working Group is developing tools to facilitate renumbering. What help from PIER will be available by when? Why is renumbering necessary? What happens when a large company must renumber its network? What is the cost? Can it be avoided? What benefits, if any, are offered by the network address translator? Roger Fajman, Cochair - PIER Working Group, IETF Don Rolph, Manager - Engineering System Support, Texas Instruments ============ The conference takes place at the Sheraton Crystal City, VA hotel. One subway stop from Washington National airport. Cost of attending per person is $1,095.00 for more information see http://www.telestrategies.com ********************************************************************** The COOK Report on Internet Individ. hard copy $150 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA Small Corp & Gov't $200 (609) 882-2572 phone and fax Corporate $350 Internet: cook@cookreport.com Corporate Site Lic. $650 http://pobox.com/cook/ for new report: "Tracking Internet Infrastructure" ***********************************************************************