From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 18:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06764 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from locust.etext.org (locust.etext.org [206.252.8.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06664 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (pauls@localhost) by locust.etext.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA18093 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:29:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Southworth To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, another annoying Cyrix owner. I won't ask you why it's not recognized as a Pentium because I don't care. I bought a 6x86L-P200+ and a Mustang R534E motherboard with SIS 5571 chipset (yes, it really supports the 6x86-P200). The machine runs fine for an hour or two and then crashes regularly. No obviously replicable action appears to be crashing it, other than that it generally crashes as soon as any significant load is incurred (eg, running glimpseindex, running a dump to tape, compiling libc). The same machine is currently running an Intel P5-133 with no problems (same everything, no changes other than motherboard jumper settings for the P5-133). The offending processor has the following stamped on it: 6x86L-PR200*GP 150Mhz 3.3v S/N: GAKJ3702A System is: FreeBSD 2.2.1, 6x86L-P200+, 128Mb EDO RAM, AHA 2940UW (BIOS 1.25), 3C595, ISA VGA, no X. Error is always a variant on this (below). Sometimes it reboots. Other times it hangs after the final "page fault" is printed at bottom. Other times it hangs after "syncing disks...". Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x10 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01317c6 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01a8c34 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01a8c44 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 current process = idle interrupt mask = net tty panic: page fault From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 21:01:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15348 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15316 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id VAA04895; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01099; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:01:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703310501.VAA01099@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Paul Southworth cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 30 Mar 97 21:29:18 -0500. Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:01:25 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Yes, another annoying Cyrix owner. I won't ask you why it's not >recognized as a Pentium because I don't care. I bought a 6x86L-P200+ and >a Mustang R534E motherboard with SIS 5571 chipset (yes, it really supports >the 6x86-P200). >The machine runs fine for an hour or two and then crashes regularly. No >obviously replicable action appears to be crashing it, other than that it >generally crashes as soon as any significant load is incurred (eg, running >glimpseindex, running a dump to tape, compiling libc). The same machine is >currently running an Intel P5-133 with no problems (same everything, no >changes other than motherboard jumper settings for the P5-133). Two things I can think of: Your memory can't handle running at 75MHz (most machines, including your Pentium at 133, run the memory bus at ~66.7MHz). Try turning the memory to a slower "speed" in the BIOS. (For example, if you have a setting that sets the memory to x222 access (how many cycles per word access), try x333)). Your heat sink might not be tightly attached to the chip. Even a small gap, or looseness, will make the chip overheat and be crash- happy. Make sure there is a tight surface-to-surface connection across the entire face of the chip and heat sink. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 21:12:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18000 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17992 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA11731; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:12:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:12:28 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: Paul Southworth cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Paul Southworth wrote: > Yes, another annoying Cyrix owner. I won't ask you why it's not > recognized as a Pentium because I don't care. I bought a 6x86L-P200+ and :) It doesn't really matter right now, although I believe someone just committed new CPU detection routines to -current the other day which will now detect the 6x86 as a 6x86. > a Mustang R534E motherboard with SIS 5571 chipset (yes, it really supports > the 6x86-P200). > > The machine runs fine for an hour or two and then crashes regularly. No > obviously replicable action appears to be crashing it, other than that it > generally crashes as soon as any significant load is incurred (eg, running > glimpseindex, running a dump to tape, compiling libc). The same machine is > currently running an Intel P5-133 with no problems (same everything, no > changes other than motherboard jumper settings for the P5-133). Sounds like the usual problem with those CPUs... Heat. You need to keep them cool, because they generate a *LOT* of heat. I have a *good* (ie. PC Power and Cooling) fan on my 6x86-166 plus another 4" fan pointed at the cpu and regulator heatsink on the M/B. When I say you have to keep them cool...... :) I've started using even beefier heatsink/fan combos now, which keeps them even cooler, although for a UNIX machine I'd recommend an extra fan. Try sticking your finger on the processor heatsink while compiling a kernel or something. (The regulator probably has a BARELY adequate heatsink for the -200 chip... It sucks a LOT of current, which might make the extra fan a really good idea.) Let me know if you are still having problems. The Cyrix chips seem to work just great as long as you can keep them cool. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 21:56:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20631 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20609 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA11792; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:53:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:53:54 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: <199703310501.VAA01099@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > Your memory can't handle running at 75MHz (most machines, including > your Pentium at 133, run the memory bus at ~66.7MHz). Try turning the > memory to a slower "speed" in the BIOS. (For example, if you have a > setting that sets the memory to x222 access (how many cycles per > word access), try x333)). I believe a 150 Mhz chip runs at 50x3, so the memory is actually running slower. (That's why on some applications a 133 chip can outperform a 150) Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 22:07:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20995 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20989 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA22937; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:27:01 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:27:00 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Doug Russell cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > > The machine runs fine for an hour or two and then crashes regularly. No > > Sounds like the usual problem with those CPUs... Heat. You need to keep > them cool, because they generate a *LOT* of heat. I have a *good* (ie. PC > Power and Cooling) fan on my 6x86-166 plus another 4" fan pointed at the > cpu and regulator heatsink on the M/B. When I say you have to keep them > cool...... :) Something I've only just realised is that when the CPU is idling, it really is idling, using the HLT instruction (is that right Bruce). Thus the CPU is generating less heat. Doing anything which keeps the CPU busy is really going to test the heatsink. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 22:16:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21433 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21418 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA06634; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01246; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:16:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703310616.WAA01246@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Doug Russell cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 30 Mar 97 22:53:54 -0700. Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:16:25 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >> Your memory can't handle running at 75MHz (most machines, including >> your Pentium at 133, run the memory bus at ~66.7MHz). Try turning the >> memory to a slower "speed" in the BIOS. (For example, if you have a >> setting that sets the memory to x222 access (how many cycles per >> word access), try x333)). >I believe a 150 Mhz chip runs at 50x3, so the memory is actually running >slower. (That's why on some applications a 133 chip can outperform a 150) Not in this case (if it's actually a Cyrix-approved motherboard). They specifically designed a 75MHz bus into the chip, for the case where you buy a motherboard with a non-Intel (such as SiS, which the poster had) chipset that supports 75MHz. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 22:19:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21633 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21628 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA06678; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01266; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:19:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703310619.WAA01266@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Doug Russell cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 30 Mar 97 22:12:28 -0700. Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:19:28 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Sounds like the usual problem with those CPUs... Heat. You need to keep >them cool, because they generate a *LOT* of heat. I have a *good* (ie. PC [...] >something. (The regulator probably has a BARELY adequate heatsink for >the -200 chip... It sucks a LOT of current, which might make the extra >fan a really good idea.) All the Cyrix chips I've seen come with a Cyrix-approved heat sink/fan combo. Cyrix got some flak for sending out chips that would fail with no-name heat sinks and fans. They are using large heat sinks with fans that spin faster than "normal" cheapo fans. They do this so they can ship out chips that run hotter at the higher speeds, by guaranteeing the provided heat sink/fan will keep the chip from burning up. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 22:26:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21978 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21973 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA23007; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:45:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:45:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Doug Russell cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > Your memory can't handle running at 75MHz (most machines, including > > your Pentium at 133, run the memory bus at ~66.7MHz). Try turning the > > memory to a slower "speed" in the BIOS. (For example, if you have a > > setting that sets the memory to x222 access (how many cycles per > > word access), try x333)). > > I believe a 150 Mhz chip runs at 50x3, so the memory is actually running > slower. (That's why on some applications a 133 chip can outperform a 150) No. The 686/150-P200+ is running at 2 x 75 MHz. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 23:04:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23164 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23157 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA11895; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:03:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:03:58 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: <199703310616.WAA01246@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > Not in this case (if it's actually a Cyrix-approved motherboard). > They specifically designed a 75MHz bus into the chip, for the case > where you buy a motherboard with a non-Intel (such as SiS, which the > poster had) chipset that supports 75MHz. Interesting.... That could be a fairly large performance bonus. I was wondering about that, since the Pentium 200 chip does begin to get limited by the 66 Mhz memory bus in some applications. I wondered how well the Cyrix would perform because of this, since it would normally run at 50 Mhz Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 30 23:08:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23317 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23311 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA11902; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:07:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:07:58 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: <199703310619.WAA01266@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > All the Cyrix chips I've seen come with a Cyrix-approved heat sink/fan > combo. Cyrix got some flak for sending out chips that would fail with > no-name heat sinks and fans. They are using large heat sinks with > fans that spin faster than "normal" cheapo fans. They do this so they > can ship out chips that run hotter at the higher speeds, by > guaranteeing the provided heat sink/fan will keep the chip from > burning up. The Cyrix heatsinks are terrible. Or at least every one I have seen has been totally inadequate. I tried them, and gave up. The machines we sell with Cyrix chips get set up with a big monster heatsink and a fast fan on top. Totally eliminates any chance of putting a full length card in a couple of slots, but that isn't normally a problem these days. The PC Power and Cooling fans work great on the slower chips (and I use them on our Pentium systems, well, and when we used to do 486es too..) but they don't move enough air for the 166/200 chips. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 03:05:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA08740 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 03:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from simon.pacific.net.sg (simon.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.72]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08734 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 03:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pangmeng (max80ppp103.pacific.net.sg [203.120.80.103]) by simon.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id TAA13557 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:04:43 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <199703311104.TAA13557@simon.pacific.net.sg> From: "PangMeng" To: Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:06:39 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Replace the Heatsink with an Heatsink using in Audio Amplifier, add in some heatsink compound. Or add in a extra 5" fan, blow toward the CPU. ---------- From: Doug Russell To: Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com Cc: Paul Southworth ; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 3:07 PM On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > All the Cyrix chips I've seen come with a Cyrix-approved heat sink/fan > combo. Cyrix got some flak for sending out chips that would fail with > no-name heat sinks and fans. They are using large heat sinks with > fans that spin faster than "normal" cheapo fans. They do this so they > can ship out chips that run hotter at the higher speeds, by > guaranteeing the provided heat sink/fan will keep the chip from > burning up. The Cyrix heatsinks are terrible. Or at least every one I have seen has been totally inadequate. I tried them, and gave up. The machines we sell with Cyrix chips get set up with a big monster heatsink and a fast fan on top. Totally eliminates any chance of putting a full length card in a couple of slots, but that isn't normally a problem these days. The PC Power and Cooling fans work great on the slower chips (and I use them on our Pentium systems, well, and when we used to do 486es too..) but they don't move enough air for the 166/200 chips. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 06:30:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19851 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com ([207.137.172.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA19846 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.42]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA26916; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:32:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970331062231.00939330@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:22:33 -0800 To: Doug Russell , "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ Cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try doing that, or rather, try finding me a RAID adapter (SCSI) that will fit in that situation. At 12:07 AM 3/31/97 -0700, Doug Russell wrote: > > >On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > >> All the Cyrix chips I've seen come with a Cyrix-approved heat sink/fan >> combo. Cyrix got some flak for sending out chips that would fail with >> no-name heat sinks and fans. They are using large heat sinks with >> fans that spin faster than "normal" cheapo fans. They do this so they >> can ship out chips that run hotter at the higher speeds, by >> guaranteeing the provided heat sink/fan will keep the chip from >> burning up. > >The Cyrix heatsinks are terrible. Or at least every one I have seen >has been totally inadequate. I tried them, and gave up. The machines we >sell with Cyrix chips get set up with a big monster heatsink and a fast >fan on top. Totally eliminates any chance of putting a full length card >in a couple of slots, but that isn't normally a problem these days. > >The PC Power and Cooling fans work great on the slower chips (and I use >them on our Pentium systems, well, and when we used to do 486es too..) >but they don't move enough air for the 166/200 chips. > >Later...... > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 06:45:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20574 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20569 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA14052; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:44:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Paul Southworth cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk are you sure you have the approved cyrix fan/heat sink. The first one we got had a crummy fan/heatsink and had been run using it. It had strange problems. We demanded and got a new cpu + official heatsink and things have been fine since then. The cyrix heatsink is quite deep -- it really matters. ron Ron Minnich |"I would point them out but ... rminnich@sarnoff.com | I have no hands." -- Coconut Monkey (609)-734-3120 | (see CM at www.pcgamer.com/coconut.html) ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 07:20:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22424 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22418 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09712; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:25:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:25:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Doug Russell , Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: <199703310619.WAA01266@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >Sounds like the usual problem with those CPUs... Heat. You need to keep > >them cool, because they generate a *LOT* of heat. I have a *good* (ie. PC > [...] > >something. (The regulator probably has a BARELY adequate heatsink for > >the -200 chip... It sucks a LOT of current, which might make the extra > >fan a really good idea.) > > All the Cyrix chips I've seen come with a Cyrix-approved heat sink/fan > combo. Cyrix got some flak for sending out chips that would fail with > no-name heat sinks and fans. They are using large heat sinks with > fans that spin faster than "normal" cheapo fans. They do this so they > can ship out chips that run hotter at the higher speeds, by > guaranteeing the provided heat sink/fan will keep the chip from > burning up. We use an aftermarket fan that uses ballbearings instead f sleave bearings on our Cyrix chips, so it has an increased lifespan. It also has a slightly larger blade surface, and keeps the chip cooler than the cyrix fan. Though recently we've gone to the AMD K5's. They are cheaper, cooler, and outperform both Cyrix and Intel. Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 11:47:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05931 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05925 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17247; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:50:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Paul Southworth cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The offending processor has the following stamped on it: > > 6x86L-PR200*GP > 150Mhz > 3.3v > Did you check to make sure the motherboard is jumpered for the 2.8V setting (not 3.3V)? The CPU should say on the top: 6x86L-PR200+GP 150MHz Core: 2.8V I/O: 3.3V Fan/Heatsink Required I don't have any info about MTI's MB (because we do not sell it), but the 6x86L parts run at 2.8V instead of 3.3V or 3.52V. The wrong voltage can cause this problem. I think 3.3V is the "absolute worst case" voltage for the chip, so if you are running it at 3.3V this is very bad for the chip and you may get this problem. (You should not jumper the cpu for regular 3.3V). These newer lower voltage Cyrix-L parts require less voltage for I/O, so the complaints about heat are now a thing of the past. They run cool now (actually so cool, that Cyrix no longer even bundles a heatsink-fan with the chip). The other possibility is that I have heard unconfirmed reports that the Adaptec may not be able to run at 37.5MHz bus clock. (See the chips hardware newsgroup). I am not sure if MTI's MB runs sync or async PCI clock. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shoppers Network (Support) AMD K5/K6s, Cyrix 6x86, Intel Pentiums/Pro Phone: (415) 759-8584 Email: howard@shoppersnet.com ==============================> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 12:14:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07305 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07298 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18215; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:17:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Doug Russell cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Paul Southworth wrote: > > > Yes, another annoying Cyrix owner. I won't ask you why it's not > > recognized as a Pentium because I don't care. I bought a 6x86L-P200+ and > > :) It doesn't really matter right now, although I believe someone just > committed new CPU detection routines to -current the other day which will > now detect the 6x86 as a 6x86. I don't know if the cpu detection routines modify any cpu settings, but I heard that the linear frame buffer feature (Write Gathering) can be enabled (normally disabled) to boost speed on Cyrix 6x86 cpus. I think that raises the fps numbers for video. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shoppers Network (Support) AMD K5/K6s, Cyrix 6x86, Intel Pentiums/Pro Phone: (415) 759-8584 Email: howard@shoppersnet.com ==============================> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 17:42:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27388 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27382 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA12925; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:41:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:41:43 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: Howard Lew cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > I don't know if the cpu detection routines modify any cpu settings, but I > heard that the linear frame buffer feature (Write Gathering) can be > enabled (normally disabled) to boost speed on Cyrix 6x86 cpus. I think > that raises the fps numbers for video. I don't remember who did the patch... but if I remember right, there were options to allow you to enable some of the extended features on the 6x86. Does anyone know more info on this? It doesn't seem to be in the list archives yet. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 17:46:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27630 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27615 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA12932; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:45:33 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:45:33 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: Howard Lew cc: Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > I don't have any info about MTI's MB (because we do not sell it), but the > 6x86L parts run at 2.8V instead of 3.3V or 3.52V. The wrong voltage can > cause this problem. I think 3.3V is the "absolute worst case" voltage for > the chip, so if you are running it at 3.3V this is very bad for the chip > and you may get this problem. (You should not jumper the cpu for regular > 3.3V). I was wondering about that... I haven't been able to get my hands on an L part to play with yet, but I noticed that the last couple revisions of the motherboard we use (Gigabyte 586VX) have a setting for the 2.8 volt CPUs.... I wanted to try one and see how much cooler they ran. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 18:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00806 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00800 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fiber.eng.umd.edu (fiber.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.185]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12237 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by fiber.eng.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id VAA01997 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:30:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: fiber.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@fiber.eng.umd.edu To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Hard disk problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [I sent this message to hackers, where it got no response, so maybe I should have sent it here. Apologies to those who will have seen it twice.] I was wondering if someone can explain the error message I'm suddenly seeing on bootup of one of my systems. It hangs with the message: ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB already dequeued (0xf2467200) ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466600 skip ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466800 skip ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466a00 skip ncr0 timeout ccb=f2467200 skip (hangs here) I need to know what it means, and if there's any way to recover from it without having to lose the whole disk (my boot disk, darn it!) I get this error on the system after it does the full fsck (successfully), and the system has (in total) 2 - 2G disks (this is the first one), 1 - 200 meg disk, and one cdrom, all scsi, all hooked to one ncr 825 controller (Tyan). Thanks! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 19:14:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03280 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03275 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA13169; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:12:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:12:20 -0700 (MST) From: Doug Russell To: Jamie Bowden cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , Paul Southworth , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Jamie Bowden wrote: > We use an aftermarket fan that uses ballbearings instead f sleave > bearings on our Cyrix chips, so it has an increased lifespan. It also > has a slightly larger blade surface, and keeps the chip cooler than the > cyrix fan. Though recently we've gone to the AMD K5's. They are cheaper, > cooler, and outperform both Cyrix and Intel. I've always been a fan of AMD's chips, at least since we started with the 386/40 chips... I haven't been using the K5s because they have been exceedingly diffucult to find locally, er, at least the faster versions. I can get 75-120 chips no problem... Although, they have started to crop up lately. I should look at them more closely, although I have been having good luck with the Cyrix chips of late. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 31 19:43:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05233 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05196; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA28794; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:42:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from wck-ca7-10.ix.netcom.com(204.31.231.42) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028667; Mon Mar 31 21:41:34 1997 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA03903; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704010340.TAA03903@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Reply-to: scsi@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:30:01 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Hard disk problems From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [crossposted to SCSI, with reply set to there] * [I sent this message to hackers, where it got no response, so maybe I * should have sent it here. Apologies to those who will have seen it * twice.] I don't read hackers because the noise level is so high. ;) * I was wondering if someone can explain the error message I'm suddenly * seeing on bootup of one of my systems. It hangs with the message: * * ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB already dequeued (0xf2467200) * ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466600 skip * ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466800 skip * ncr0 timeout ccb=f2466a00 skip * ncr0 timeout ccb=f2467200 skip * (hangs here) I have seen something very similar on my system. The Micropolis 3243WT (which I got as a replacement to an older 3243W) doesn't boot 3 out of 4 times with "ncr0 timeout" messages (I don't get the "already dequeued" part, though). The other two disks (Atlas I and II) don't have this problem. Also, removing the CDROM (the only narrow device in the system) alleviated the symptoms somewhat (booted 3 out of 4 times). * I need to know what it means, and if there's any way to recover from it * without having to lose the whole disk (my boot disk, darn it!) I get this * error on the system after it does the full fsck (successfully), and the * system has (in total) 2 - 2G disks (this is the first one), 1 - 200 meg * disk, and one cdrom, all scsi, all hooked to one ncr 825 controller * (Tyan). Well, when I moved the Micropolis to an Adaptec 2940UW, everything started working again. ;) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 1 13:51:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04175 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04168 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id QAA15787; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:42:37 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015783; Tue Apr 1 16:42:33 1997 Message-ID: <33418148.2716@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:42:32 -0500 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with 6x86L-P200+ X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Russell wrote: > I was wondering about that... I haven't been able to get my hands on an L > part to play with yet, but I noticed that the last couple revisions of the > motherboard we use (Gigabyte 586VX) have a setting for the 2.8 volt > CPUs.... I wanted to try one and see how much cooler they ran. > > Later...... Actually, aren't the 6x86L's and Intel MMX Pentium's dual voltage chips? My understanding was that they used 2.8v for core logic and 3.3 for interface logic. That way, you get the power/heat advantages of a lower voltage part without having to redesign the interface chips to handle the lower voltage. You'll notice on "MMX ready" motherboards that there is always at least two regulators. Maybe this is clearly understood by everyone but no one actually said it... -- David W. 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Guam USA *= =* Guams First Internet Provider *= =* meltedice@kuentos.guam.net *= =* http://www.guam.net/home/bhshaw2 *= =* IFORMS Chat Run On BSDI *= =* telnet buri.kuentos.guam.net 3000 *= =* *= =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 2 04:43:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA27704 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 04:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lituus.fr (lituussun.lituus.fr [195.25.51.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA27682; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 04:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.25.51.10] (stephane.lituus.fr [195.25.51.10]) by lituus.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29632; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:40:58 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:44:06 +0200 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: stephane@lituus.fr (Stephane Legrand) Subject: HP 5L printer - HD Seagate Medialist Pro 2520 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, In order to upgrade my freebsd box, i want to buy a HP Laserjet 5L printer and a new EIDE hard disk Medialist Pro 2520 (2.5 Go) from Seagate. So, is it good choices ? Is the HP 5L works with ghostscript (especially with only 1 Mo RAM) ? Does this hard disk has good performances ? And does freebsd take advantages of Enhanced IDE ? Thanks you very much. Stephane Legrand. ------------------------------------------------------------ --> http://www.lituus.fr/stephane - To save the Internet, stop using Micro$oft softwares NOW ! From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 2 11:36:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18808 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tag01.acnet.net (tag01.acnet.net [167.114.253.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18800 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcuevas ([167.114.19.37]) by tag01.acnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00418 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:31:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199704022131.NAA00418@tag01.acnet.net> From: "Ricardo Cuevas" To: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:36:42 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsuscribe rcuevas@acnet.net Ricardo Cuevas Camarena E-mail: rcuevas@acnet.net Desarrollos Informáticos Mazatlán, México From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 2 15:15:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03213 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03170; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA17412; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:59:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley To: Stephane Legrand cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP 5L printer - HD Seagate Medialist Pro 2520 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Stephane Legrand wrote: > Hello, > > In order to upgrade my freebsd box, i want to buy a HP Laserjet 5L printer > and a new EIDE hard disk Medialist Pro 2520 (2.5 Go) from Seagate. I don't know about the printer, but if you have the cash go for a SCSI setup, not EDIE. (just my $0.02) Burton > > So, is it good choices ? Is the HP 5L works with ghostscript (especially > with only 1 Mo RAM) ? Does this hard disk has good performances ? And does > freebsd take advantages of Enhanced IDE ? > > Thanks you very much. > > Stephane Legrand. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --> http://www.lituus.fr/stephane > - To save the Internet, stop using Micro$oft softwares NOW ! > > > > --- Brought to you by a 100% Micro$oft free system. You too can disinfect your system at http://www.freebsd.org E-Mail: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com Alternate E-Mail: bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu Home Page: http://www.best.com/~bsampley (permanently under construction) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 3 09:21:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03755 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03743 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from egeo.unipg.it (egeo.unipg.it [141.250.1.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA18378 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by egeo.unipg.it (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MH-1.09) id AA29921; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:06:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:06:33 +0200 From: peppe@unipg.it (Giuseppe Vitillaro) Message-Id: <9704031706.AA29921@egeo.unipg.it> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.1 and 2940 hangs Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm experiencing problems with this configuration: MotherBoard: Intel TUCSON TC430HX - Intel Pentium 133Mhz SCSI Adpter: Adaptec 2940 (Bios Level 1.23) HD target 0: HP C3725S 5249 (Internal) HD target 1: IBM DORS-32160 WA6A (Internal) CD target 4: PIONEER CD-ROM DR-124X 1.04 (External) Memory : 16Mx4 EDO 60ns I just finished to install FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE and I did some trial on my configuration (for other reasons: I wanted to test my new mother board). If I exercise my hard disks and my cdrom at the same time after a (short: 5 minutes) while the system hangs. Sometime the kernel panic with some obscure (for me) message about SCSI timeouts other times it just sit without a message (but it answer to a ping from another machine). The same "exercise" on the disks alone do not produce the problem. I already tried to change all the SCSI cables (internal and external), terminators, the controller (a 2940U bios 1.21) and even the CD (switching to an HP CD-R 4020i). I always get the same problem. My exercise consist in this commands: dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=2k dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null bs=64K dd if=/dev/rsd1 of=/dev/null bs=128K and keeping running a little C program I wrote by myself that seek randomly on a big file (about 32Mb) (command line "stdisk filename", the "filename" should already exists and in my case is on a filesystem of the disk /dev/sd1). After 5/10 minutes of this run the system hangs, often without any message. The machine itsel is alive: it answers to a ping and the keybord numlock turn on and off. If I do the same exercise without the CD dd the machine is alive after half an hour. The 2940 is configured rather near the Adaptec defaults (beside for > 1Gb disk support and CD boot). I'll append (sorry for the long mail) the dmesg out of my machine and the source of the "stdisk" exercise program. The question is: what may be the origin of this hang? Thank in advance, Peppe. ===== dmesg output Thank in advance, Peppe. Copyright (c) 1992-1996 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Apr 3 16:48:21 CEST 1997 root@phoenix:/usr/src/sys/compile/PHOENIX CPU: Pentium (132.96-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62676992 (61208K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:13 ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "HP C3725S 5249" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:1:0): "IBM DORS-32160 WA6A" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:4:0): "PIONEER CD-ROM DR-124X 1.04" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:4:0): CD-ROM cd present [301866 x 2048 byte records] vga0 rev 0 on pci0:14 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 15 on isa ed0: address 00:40:95:81:2b:79, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface ================= stdisk.c #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define BUFSIZE (4*1024) #define MAX ((32*1024*1024)/BUFSIZE) #define MAXR 2147483647 char buf[BUFSIZE]; char cbuf[BUFSIZE]; int main ( int argc, char **argv ) { int r, rc; double dr; time_t seed; int f; memset ( buf, 0x1A, BUFSIZE ); memset ( cbuf, 0x1A, BUFSIZE ); f = open ( argv[1], O_RDWR ); if ( f == -1 ) { perror ( "open" ); exit ( 1 ); } seed = time ( NULL ); while ( 1 ) { r = random ( ); dr = (double)r/(double)MAXR; r = (int)( (double)dr * (double)MAX); #ifdef DEBUG printf ( "block %d\n", r ); #endif rc = lseek ( f, r * BUFSIZE, SEEK_SET ); if ( rc == -1 ) { perror ( "write lseek" ); exit ( 2 ); } rc = write ( f, buf, BUFSIZE ); if ( rc != BUFSIZE ) { perror ( "write" ); exit ( 3 ); } rc = lseek ( f, r * BUFSIZE, SEEK_SET ); if ( rc == -1 ) { perror ( "read lseek" ); exit ( 4 ); } rc = read ( f, cbuf, BUFSIZE ); if ( rc != BUFSIZE ) { perror ( "read" ); exit ( 5 ); } if ( memcmp ( buf, cbuf, BUFSIZE ) ) { fprintf ( stderr, "memcmp\n" ); exit ( 6 ); } } close ( f ); return ( 0 ); } From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 3 15:13:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23803 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23797 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (ljo@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA15667; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:13:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from ljo@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id RAA03964; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:13:03 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Jonas Olsson Message-Id: <199704032313.RAA03964@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Netgear FA310TX (Dec 21140-AC) To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:13:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: ljo@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just tried a Bay Networks Netgear FA310TX ethernet adapter with current kernel. The boot hangs at the ifconfig and I have to type ctrl-C to continue. I enclosing a dmesg log. The same computer works fine when switching to a SMC9332DST card. Any idea how to fix? The netgear are pretty cheap cards (I got 16 port fast ethernet hub with three free cards for $1125. Otherwise they cost ~$65) Jonas From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 3 15:15:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24093 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24073 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (ljo@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA15759; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:15:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from ljo@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id RAA04004; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:15:06 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Jonas Olsson Message-Id: <199704032315.RAA04004@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Netgear FA310TX dmesg output To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:15:05 -0600 (CST) Cc: ljo@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's the dmesg output I forgot to include in previuos post. Jonas Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Apr 3 16:42:07 CST 1997 root@mail-new.accumed-int.com:/amcell2/src/sys/compile/MAIL-NEW.de Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193259 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CPU: i486 DX4 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x480 Stepping=0 Features=0x3 real memory = 25165824 (24576K bytes) avail memory = 22462464 (21936K bytes) pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80002844 pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pcibus_check: device 0 1 2 3 4 5 [class=60000] [hdr=0] is there (id=04961039) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 49 on pci0:5:0 de0 rev 32 int a irq 11 on pci0:11:0 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=0000e800 size=0080. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=fbfbf000 size=0080. reg16: ioaddr=0xe800 size=0x80 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:40:05:31:e9:ae de0: enabling 100baseTX port pci0: uses 128d bytes of memory from fbfbf000 upto fbfbf07f. pci0: uses 128d bytes of I/O space from e800 upto e87f. Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0045 kbdio: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 ed1 not found at 0x300 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 1039MB (2128896 sectors), 2112 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface imasks: bio c0004040, tty c003089a, net c003089a BIOS Geometries: 0:020e3f3f 0..526=527 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Considering FFS root f/s. configure() finished. wd0s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 2128895, size 2128833 : OK From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 4 08:24:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17277 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from netopus.com ([207.211.156.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17272 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.211.156.100] by netopus.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id AB3D9C011C; Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:24:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970404082152.006d3f1c@netopus.com> X-Sender: david@netopus.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:21:53 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David A. Zimmerman" Subject: SMC 3016TP Ethernet Cards? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has any one had any experience using the SMC 3016TP ethernet cards with FreeBSD? I don't see them on the compatibility lists but I would think they are fairly standard cards. Might they work configured as something else? I'm trying to install 2.2.1 on a pentium and would rather not resort to one of the NE1000's I have laying around because of speed. Any thoughts on the use of the SMC or on the speed of the NE1000's? Thanks, David ___________________________________________________________________ N E T O P U S I N C O R P O R A T E D Internet Solutions _____________ daz@netopus.com ___ http://netopus.com ______________ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 5 14:15:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00883 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from barrow.uwaterloo.ca (sgkruk@barrow.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00871 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (sgkruk@localhost) by barrow.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02058 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:14:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:14:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Serge G. Kruk" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Digiboard PC/8i Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone help? FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #1: Sat Apr 5 05:33:13 EST 1997 root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30515200 (29800K bytes) dgb0: PC/Xi 128K dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xd00000 msize 131072 on isa dgb0: BIOS download failed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Why would it failed? Any idea? ?????????????????? Here is the config entry, just in case... device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xd00000 iosiz ? tty Thanks Serge From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 5 20:16:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20613 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20605 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 20:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA29713 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:10:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:10:16 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for 486 laptop recomendations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. I've decided that I would like to get a laptop to run FreeBSD on. My logic is as follows: I only want a console, so an older 486 with a black&white LCD and 8MB of RAm should be just fine - and CHEAP! So if anyone has had good luck with a particular 486 laptop, I'd love to here about it. I'd prefer if it had a PCMCIA card in it -- BTW, are there any PCMCIA modem and or modem/ethernet combo cards out there that work with FreeBSD (2.2.1R) ? TIA, -Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- University degrees are a bit like adultery: you may not want to get involved with that sort of thing, but you don't want to be thought incapable. -Sir Peter Imbert From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 5 21:29:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25019 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25011 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04537; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:29:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:29:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199704060529.WAA04537@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mark Mayo Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for 486 laptop recomendations In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So if anyone has had good luck with a particular 486 laptop, I'd love to > here about it. The ThinkPad series are pretty decent. > I'd prefer if it had a PCMCIA card in it -- BTW, are there > any PCMCIA modem and or modem/ethernet combo cards out there that work > with FreeBSD (2.2.1R) ? Most should work, but combo cards are not supported by any FreeBSD release. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 5 21:47:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26125 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.49.17.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26108 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de(really [192.76.124.5]) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:47:10 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1 built 1997-Mar-17) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0wDkn3-0000beC; Sun, 6 Apr 97 07:46 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Looking for 486 laptop recomendations To: mark@quickweb.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:46:57 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Mark Mayo" at "Apr 5, 97 11:10:16 pm" Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Mark Mayo: > Hi all. I've decided that I would like to get a laptop to run FreeBSD on. > My logic is as follows: I only want a console, so an older 486 with a > black&white LCD and 8MB of RAm should be just fine - and CHEAP! A year or so ago i bought a used DEC HiNote, 486 sl or sx with a monochrome display and i'm _very_ satisfied with it running FreeBSD. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Hamburg, Europe In their infinite wisdom, the folks at HP have decided that mere mortals such as you and I don't need to know what the kernel's proc structure looks like. (William LeFebvre, top 3.4 README, HP-UX 10.10)