From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 06:31:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21143 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 06:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua (aviion.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21137 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id OAA04833; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:11:25 GMT Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09093; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:10:40 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <334792FE.289@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 15:11:41 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scott CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Webserver, htpasswd program. References: <33464FAF.6D77@webnetix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk scott wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > When I installed the OS, Apache seemed to install fine. However, > how I am putting a .htaccess file on a subtree of web data, and > I can't find the 'htpasswd' program to create a password file. > > Does anyone know what I should do? Also, could anyone tell me how > to use the UNIX passwd file instead of the one created by htpasswd? > Yo can manually put /etc/passwd in you directory, with you file name (.htaccess) and it must work (On my mashine such think is work, but i got only first 2 fields from /etc/passwd (removing all others) In principle, it is not nesessory. > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Sincerely, > > -Scott From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 07:15:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22750 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nero.in-design.com (root@nero.in-design.com [204.157.146.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22745 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from archive@localhost) by nero.in-design.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14205; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Intuitive Design Archive To: Ruslan Shevchenko cc: scott , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Webserver, htpasswd program. In-Reply-To: <334792FE.289@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > scott wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > When I installed the OS, Apache seemed to install fine. However, > > how I am putting a .htaccess file on a subtree of web data, and > > I can't find the 'htpasswd' program to create a password file. > > > > Does anyone know what I should do? Also, could anyone tell me how > > to use the UNIX passwd file instead of the one created by htpasswd? > > > > Yo can manually put /etc/passwd in you directory, > with you file name (.htaccess) > and it must work > > (On my mashine such think is work, but i got only > first 2 fields from /etc/passwd (removing all others) > That is one way to do it, the other more proper method is to get apache from ftp.apache.org and compile it and the support tools. htpasswd is one of those tools. Along with other important tools. You might find them on your system somewhere, but no sure where the install puts it. Intuitive Design Archive http://www.in-design.com archive@in-design.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 09:43:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11273 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11247 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.plusline.de (pluto.gds.de [194.77.222.13]) by gds.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA22981 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:43:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" Organization: Plus.Line To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:41:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: E-1 ? Reply-to: rg@plusline.de Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52DE) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US Company for theit subsidiary here. They are asking for an E-1 service. Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? Thanks Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Plus.Line Internet PoP fuer : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt, Westerwald : 60596 Frankfurt Stuttgart : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusline.de : Fax : +49 69 610238 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 10:12:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16367 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16350 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.0.31] with ESMTP id UAA22933; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:11:49 +0300 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id VAA25550; (8.6.12/D) Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:11:16 +0400 Message-Id: <199704061711.VAA25550@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: E-1 ? To: rg@plusline.de Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:11:16 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> from "Richard Gresek" at Apr 6, 97 06:41:56 pm From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" X-Class: Fast Organization: Demos Company, Ltd. Reply-To: mishania@demos.su X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hallo, > They are asking for an E-1 service. > Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? > Thanks > Richard E-1 is european standard, it's 2048kbit/sec, whereas T-1 is 1,5Mbit/sec. They usually can accept e1 connection, but are used to T1 lines ;-) -mishania From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 10:16:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16972 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (root@ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16964 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mc.mexcom.net (ecm@ppp-13.-.mexcom.net [206.103.65.205]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02890; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 12:16:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3347DAB4.AAF8340@mexcom.net> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:17:40 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.18 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rg@plusline.de CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-1 ? References: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Gresek wrote: > > Hallo, > > we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US > Company for theit subsidiary here. > They are asking for an E-1 service. > > Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? > > Thanks > > Richard A bandwidth of 2Mbits. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 10:23:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17562 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17556 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (db@dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26669; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970406132126.006a69dc@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 13:21:29 -0400 To: rg@plusline.de, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: E-1 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:41 PM 4/6/97 +0000, Richard Gresek wrote: >Hallo, > >we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US >Company for theit subsidiary here. >They are asking for an E-1 service. > >Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? E-1 is the Europeon equivalent of T1, although its not really equivalent in that its 2.048Mbs, rather than 1.536, as they use 32 64k channels rather than 24. Dennis > >Thanks > >Richard >+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ >: Plus.Line Internet PoP fuer >: Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt, Westerwald >: 60596 Frankfurt Stuttgart >: Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusline.de >: Fax : +49 69 610238 >+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com 56k, T1, Frac-T3 Adapters for 'BSD and LINUX. ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Allocation and Firewall Tool Bandwidth Allocation/Limiting Routers From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 11:28:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24924 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24919 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id NAA18717; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 13:28:24 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018685; Sun Apr 6 18:28:11 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970406132146.00bef93c@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 13:21:47 -0500 To: dennis From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: E-1 ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:21 PM 4/6/97 -0400, dennis wrote: >At 06:41 PM 4/6/97 +0000, Richard Gresek wrote: >>Hallo, >> >>we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US >>Company for theit subsidiary here. >>They are asking for an E-1 service. >> >>Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? > >E-1 is the Europeon equivalent of T1, although its not really equivalent in >that >its 2.048Mbs, rather than 1.536, as they use 32 64k channels rather than 24. There is a bit of overhead along with 24 * 64 for 1.544 Mbs. Even this is not set in stone, but is the guaranteed minimum rate. I've seen up to 1.724 on one of our T1s. E1s have 30 channels. Still the question was missed. There are no E1s in the US, unless someone cares to step in and say they do and by the wording of the message, it is a US company with a subsidiary that is *in* Germany. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 11:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26167 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26160 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19312; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:51:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15523; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:45:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:45:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Richard Gresek cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-1 ? In-Reply-To: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Richard Gresek wrote: > we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US > Company for theit subsidiary here. > They are asking for an E-1 service. > > Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? E1 doesn't mean anything in the USA. There is no such thing. However, you are in Germany and in Germany, an E1 line is a digital circuit that carries the equivalent of 30 64K channels. It can be directly connected to a router through a DSU or it can be used to carry an ISDN PRI circuit. This company probably wants to use the E1 directly. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:25:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16537 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16508 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarpon-1.exis.net (stefan@tarpon-1.exis.net [205.252.72.126]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA28660 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stefan@localhost) by tarpon-1.exis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06830; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:23:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: tarpon-1.exis.net: stefan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Molnar To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: dennis , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-1 ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970406132146.00bef93c@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Still the question was missed. There are no E1s in the US, unless someone > cares to step in and say they do and by the wording of the message, it is a > US company with a subsidiary that is *in* Germany. I think cais.net has them. Why I do not know. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:25:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16540 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16518 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA28612 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA29824; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970406231423.006b0208@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 23:14:26 -0400 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" From: dennis Subject: Re: E-1 ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:21 PM 4/6/97 -0500, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: >At 01:21 PM 4/6/97 -0400, dennis wrote: >>At 06:41 PM 4/6/97 +0000, Richard Gresek wrote: >>>Hallo, >>> >>>we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US >>>Company for theit subsidiary here. >>>They are asking for an E-1 service. >>> >>>Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? >> >>E-1 is the Europeon equivalent of T1, although its not really equivalent in >>that >>its 2.048Mbs, rather than 1.536, as they use 32 64k channels rather than 24. > >There is a bit of overhead along with 24 * 64 for 1.544 Mbs. Even this is >not set in stone, but is the guaranteed minimum rate. I've seen up to >1.724 on one of our T1s. Is this flame bait or what!!!? I'll resist..... :-) It really IS set in stone, I'm afraid. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:26:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16678 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16661; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA28629 ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA29841; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970406231559.006afff8@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 23:16:01 -0400 To: "Gary Palmer" , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" From: dennis Subject: Re: E-1 ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:05 PM 4/6/97 -0400, Gary Palmer wrote: >"Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote in message ID ><3.0.32.19970406132146.00bef93c@mixcom.com>: >> Still the question was missed. There are no E1s in the US, unless someone >> cares to step in and say they do and by the wording of the message, it is a >> US company with a subsidiary that is *in* Germany. > >Wrong actually. Some telco's offer a service which lets you select the >number of channels in your link, allowing you to get E1 service. It's not E-1 service...just because you can get 2.048Mbs doesnt make it E-1 encoding.... Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:30:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17627 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17573 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.aceonline.com.au (obiwan.aceonline.com.au [203.103.90.67]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA27756 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.aceonline.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01450 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:51:01 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:51:01 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-1 ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970406132146.00bef93c@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > >E-1 is the Europeon equivalent of T1, although its not really equivalent in > >that > >its 2.048Mbs, rather than 1.536, as they use 32 64k channels rather than 24. > > There is a bit of overhead along with 24 * 64 for 1.544 Mbs. Even this is > not set in stone, but is the guaranteed minimum rate. I've seen up to > 1.724 on one of our T1s. > > E1s have 30 channels. > It rings a bell, its either PRI or Frame Relay from memory, but I honestly can't remember which one it is. (We have something similar in Australia, a 2mb DDS Fastway link is 31 x 64k slices). I've always been curious though.. why 24 x 64k chunks on a T1? Why not more? Cya -- Adrian Chadd | UNIX, MS-DOS and Windows ... | (also known as the Good, the bad and the | ugly..) From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:35:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA19324 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19300 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (qmailr@char-star.rdist.org [206.54.252.22]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA26489 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17289 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1997 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (@207.229.132.161) by char-star.rdist.org with SMTP; 6 Apr 1997 22:06:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:05:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" Reply-To: stox@enteract.com To: Richard Gresek cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-1 ? In-Reply-To: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E1 doesn't mean anything in the states, in the same way T1 doesn't mean anything in Europe. An E1 is the european equivalent of the American T1. If memory serves correct, it consists of 32 64kb channels or around 2MB/sec. -- Ken Stox stox@enteract.com On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Richard Gresek wrote: > Hallo, > > we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US > Company for theit subsidiary here. > They are asking for an E-1 service. > > Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? > > Thanks > > Richard > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > : Plus.Line Internet PoP fuer > : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt, Westerwald > : 60596 Frankfurt Stuttgart > : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusline.de > : Fax : +49 69 610238 > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 6 21:37:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20125 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20089 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA26382 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Lamb.net [207.90.181.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with ESMTP id OAA14275; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.7.6) id OAA10701; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199704062145.OAA10701@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: E-1 ? To: rg@plusline.de Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199704061643.SAA22981@gds.de> from Richard Gresek at "Apr 6, 97 06:41:56 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hallo, > > we are an ISP in Germany and have an Request for Proposal from an US > Company for theit subsidiary here. > They are asking for an E-1 service. > > Can someone tell me what exactly E-1 in the US means? > > Thanks > > Richard > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > : Plus.Line Internet PoP fuer > : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt, Westerwald > : 60596 Frankfurt Stuttgart > : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusline.de > : Fax : +49 69 610238 > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > Even all the other have already answered, in germany sell them ISDN S2M. That is 30 channels 64K for data and 1 channel 64K for control. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 7 09:11:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20393 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.dnsserver.com (qmailr@[208.14.0.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20388 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1997 15:57:39 -0000 Received: from www8.clever.net (root@206.31.79.1) by smtp.clever.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 1997 15:57:39 -0000 Received: from arky.voltage.net (arkylady@[208.15.104.34]) by www8.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14814 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970407110432.006a9c44@web-trends.com> X-Sender: arkysaw@web-trends.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:04:39 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: PPP Server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone point me in the direction of some fairly detailed instructions of setting up a PPP Server on 2.2.1 using the autodetect/start pppd or else tell me anything I would need to do differently from the instructions I found at: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp/ppp.html Thanks, Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 7 12:29:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04114 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua (aviion.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04092 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id SAA27634; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:56:19 GMT Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id QAA00061; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:38:38 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10998; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:56:22 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3348E12E.78EF@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:57:34 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Snarskii CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Webserver, htpasswd program. References: <199704071149.OAA17314@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Alexander Snarskii wrote: > > In article <334792FE.289@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> you wrote: > >> > >> When I installed the OS, Apache seemed to install fine. However, > >> how I am putting a .htaccess file on a subtree of web data, and > >> I can't find the 'htpasswd' program to create a password file. > >> > >> Does anyone know what I should do? Also, could anyone tell me how > >> to use the UNIX passwd file instead of the one created by htpasswd? > >> > > RS>Yo can manually put /etc/passwd in you directory, > RS>with you file name (.htaccess) > RS>and it must work > > Ruslan, it will not work.. Just because /etc/passwd in FreeBSD > does not contain encrypted passwords. > You need to use /etc/master.passwd instead. O, yes. It is /etc/master.passwd > > RS>(On my mashine such think is work, but i got only > RS>first 2 fields from /etc/passwd (removing all others) > In principle, it is trivial to determinate, that under /etc/passwd means /etc/master.passwd from words "first 2 fiellds" So, sorry, you must copy /etc/master.passwd instead of /etc/passwd. In other all is true, this method is usable. > -- > Alexander Snarskii > the source code is included. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 7 15:52:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20033 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from air.infinetgroup.com (air.infinetgroup.com [207.23.43.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19986; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lenc@localhost) by air.infinetgroup.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA17714; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: CERT Advisory CA-97.09 - Vulnerability in IMAP and POP (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just thought some ppl (esp ISPs) might find this important. If you already know it, sorry for the bandwidth waste :) Cheers. (Was wondering if any1 can test the FreeBSD popper port to see if it's vulnerable). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:47:09 -0400 From: CERT Advisory Reply-To: cert-advisory-request@cert.org To: cert-advisory@cert.org Subject: CERT Advisory CA-97.09 - Vulnerability in IMAP and POP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ============================================================================= CERT* Advisory CA-97.09 Original issue date: April 7, 1997 Last revised: -- Topic: Vulnerability in IMAP and POP - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The CERT Coordination Center has received reports of a vulnerability in some versions of the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) and Post Office Protocol (POP) implementations (imapd, ipop2d, and ipop3d). Information about this vulnerability has been publicly distributed. By exploiting this vulnerability, remote users can obtain unauthorized root access. The CERT/CC team recommends installing a patch if one is available or upgrading to IMAP4rev1. Until you can do so, we recommend disabling the IMAP and POP services at your site. We will update this advisory as we receive additional information. Please check our advisory files regularly for updates that relate to your site. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Description The current version of Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) supports both online and offline operation, permitting manipulation of remote message folders. It provides access to multiple mailboxes (possibly on multiple servers), and supports nested mailboxes as well as resynchronization with the server. The current version also provides a user with the ability to create, delete, and rename mailboxes. Additional details concerning the functionality of IMAP can be found in RFC 2060 (the IMAP4rev1 specification) available from http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc2060.txt The Post Office Protocol (POP) was designed to support offline mail processing. That is, the client connects to the server to download mail that the server is holding for the client. The mail is deleted from the server and is handled offline (locally) on the client machine. In both protocols, the server must run with root privileges so it can access mail folders and undertake some file manipulation on behalf of the user logging in. After login, these privileges are discarded. However, a vulnerability exists in the way the login transaction is handled, and this can be exploited to gain privileged access on the server. By preparing carefully crafted text to a system running a vulnerable version of these servers, remote users may be able to cause a buffer overflow and execute arbitrary instructions with root privileges. Information about this vulnerability has been widely distributed. II. Impact Remote users can obtain root access on systems running a vulnerable IMAP or POP server. They do not need access to an account on the system to do this. III. Solution Install a patch from your vendor (see Section A) or upgrade to the latest version of IMAP (Section B). If your POP server is based on the University of Washington IMAP server code, you should also upgrade to the latest version of IMAP. Until you can take one of these actions, you should disable services (Section C). In all cases, we urge you to take the additional precaution described in Section D. A. Obtain and install a patch from your vendor Below is a list of vendors who have provided information about this vulnerability. Details are in Appendix A of this advisory; we will update the appendix as we receive more information. If your vendor's name is not on this list, please contact your vendor directly. Berkeley Software Design, Inc. (BSDI) Cray Research Linux - Red Hat Sun Microsystems, Inc. University of Washington B. Upgrade to the latest version of IMAP An alternative to installing vendor patches is upgrading to IMAP4rev1, which is available from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z MD5 (imap.tar.Z) = fb94453e8d2ada303e2db8d83d54bfb6 C. Disable services Until you can take one of the above actions, temporarily disable the POP and IMAP services. On many systems, you will need to edit the /etc/inetd.conf file. However, you should check your vendor's documentation because systems vary in file location and the exact changes required (for example, sending the inetd process a HUP signal or killing and restarting the daemon). If you are not able to temporarily disable the POP and IMAP services, then you should at least limit access to the vulnerable services to machines in your local network. This can be done by installing the tcp_wrappers described in Section D, not only for logging but also for access control. Note that even with access control via tcp_wrappers, you are still vulnerable to attacks from hosts that are allowed to connect to the vulnerable POP or IMAP service. D. Additional precaution Because IMAP or POP is launched out of inetd.conf, tcp_wrappers can be installed to log connections which can then be examined for suspicious activity. You may want to consider filtering connections at the firewall to discard unwanted/unauthorized connections. The tcp_wrappers tool is available in ftp://info.cert.org/pub/tools/tcp_wrappers/tcp_wrappers_7.5.tar.gz MD5 (tcp_wrappers_7.5.tar.gz) = 8c7a17a12d9be746e0488f7f6bfa4abb Note that this precaution does not address the vulnerability described in this advisory, but it is a good security practice in general. ........................................................................... Appendix A - Vendor Information Below is a list of the vendors who have provided information for this advisory. We will update this appendix as we receive additional information. If you do not see your vendor's name, the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact the vendor directly. Berkeley Software Design, Inc. (BSDI) ===================================== We're working on patches for both BSD/OS 2.1 and BSD/OS 3.0 for imap (which we include as part of pine). Cray Research ============= Not vulnerable. Linux Systems ============= Red Hat ------- The IMAP servers included with all versions of Red Hat Linux have a buffer overrun which allow *remote* users to gain root access on systems which run them. A fix for Red Hat 4.1 is now available (details on it at the end of this note). Users of Red Hat 4.0 should apply the Red Hat 4.1 fix. Users of previous releases of Red Hat Linux are strongly encouraged to upgrade or simply not run imap. You can remove imap from any machine running with Red Hat Linux 2.0 or later by running the command "rpm -e imap", rendering them immune to this problem. All of the new packages are PGP signed with Red Hat's PGP key, and may be obtained from ftp.redhat.com:/updates/4.1. If you have direct Internet access, you may upgrade these packages on your system with the following commands: Intel: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.1/i386/imap-4.1.BETA-3.i386.rpm MD5 (imap-4.1.BETA-3.i386.rpm) = 8ac64fff475ee43d409fc9776a6637a6 Alpha: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.1/alpha/imap-4.1.BETA-3.alpha.rpm MD5 (imap-4.1.BETA-3.alpha.rpm) = fd42ac24d7c4367ee51fd00e631cae5b SPARC: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.1/sparc/imap-4.1.BETA-3.sparc.rpm MD5 (imap-4.1.BETA-3.sparc.rpm) = 751598aae3d179284b8ea4d7a9b78868 Sun Microsystems, Inc. ====================== We are investigating the problem. University of Washington ======================== This vulnerability has been detected in the University of Washington c-client library used in the UW IMAP and POP servers. This vulnerability affects all versions of imapd prior to v10.165, all versions of ipop2d prior to 2.3(32), and all versions of ipop3d prior to 3.3(27). It is recommended that all sites using these servers upgrade to the latest versions, available in the UW IMAP toolkit: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z MD5 (imap.tar.Z) = fb94453e8d2ada303e2db8d83d54bfb6 This is a source distribution which includes imapd, ipop2d, ipop3d. and the c-client library. The IMAP server in this distribution conforms with RFC2060 (the IMAP4rev1 specification). Sites which are not yet prepared to upgrade from IMAP2bis to IMAP4 service may obtain a corrected IMAP2bis server as part of the latest (3.96) UW Pine distribution, available at: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z MD5 (pine.tar.Z) = 37138f0d1ec3175cf1ffe6c062c9abbf - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The CERT Coordination Center thanks the University of Washington's Computing and Communications staff for information relating to this advisory. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you believe that your system has been compromised, contact the CERT Coordination Center or your representative in the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (see http://www.first.org/team-info) CERT/CC Contact Information - --------------------------- Email cert@cert.org Phone +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) CERT personnel answer 8:30-5:00 p.m. EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) and are on call for emergencies during other hours. Fax +1 412-268-6989 Postal address CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 USA Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. We can support a shared DES key or PGP. Contact the CERT/CC for more information. Location of CERT PGP key ftp://info.cert.org/pub/CERT_PGP.key Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from http://www.cert.org/ ftp://info.cert.org/pub/ CERT advisories and bulletins are also posted on the USENET newsgroup comp.security.announce To be added to our mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to cert-advisory-request@cert.org In the subject line, type SUBSCRIBE your-email-address - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1997 Carnegie Mellon University This material may be reproduced and distributed without permission provided it is used for noncommercial purposes and the copyright statement is included. * Registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This file: ftp://info.cert.org/pub/cert_advisories/CA-97.09.imap_pop http://www.cert.org click on "CERT Advisories" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Revision history -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM0kvp3VP+x0t4w7BAQHiDwQAzvj0AH/xujQrqu43J18BSbkuccdHg5gn iNqAGoWG0rg6nUAutwJJenpvcf3ErzzIfHpvv+gwX7N6dyHma0KZlmDq1LxUlNp5 b+rfOklPR7dT8/aIYeBwz8IuwF9kQMBYmK9KQk1w5iJTHFzfHdJGdRIj0XAyCjUU kooGrZuPKQg= =kxPN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 7 23:40:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA19938 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19932 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA16131 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:42:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199704080642.XAA16131@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: CERT Advisory on POP server To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody know if qpopper (the Qualcomm POP server) is vulnerable in a similar fashion? -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 02:27:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26832 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26823 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [208.18.129.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA02103 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:24:48 -0500 (CDT) From: rpanula@dacmail.net (Russ Panula) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Weird ping behavior Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 03:36:14 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Reply-To: rpanula@dacmail.net Message-ID: <334a0ee6.22078988@mail.digitaladvantage.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id CAA26827 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could somebody running 2.2.1-RELEASE try pinging fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu? The machine I have running 2.2.1 tells me it's an unknown host but is able to resolve the name using the host command. Other boxes here that are not running 2.2.1 can see it fine. Thanks, Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 04:07:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA03044 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03039 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [193.84.224.12]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id EAA01420 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00964; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:59:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:59:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Josef Belkovics To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird ping behavior In-Reply-To: <334a0ee6.22078988@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Could somebody running 2.2.1-RELEASE try pinging > fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu? > > The machine I have running 2.2.1 tells me it's an unknown host but is > able to resolve the name using the host command. > > Other boxes here that are not running 2.2.1 can see it fine. > > Thanks, > Russ I tried. Ping says 'unknown host fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu'. Host says 'fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu' has address 160.94.2.14'. I just compiled kernel and all files in /etc are from distribution kit. Eg., I doesn't run dns. In /etc/host.conf order is 'bind' and then 'hosts'. JPB From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 05:53:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07186 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07171 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (db@dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA10763; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970408085121.006b46c0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 08:51:24 -0400 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" From: dennis Subject: Re: E-1 ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk .>Yarg! I forgot the encoding on the line was HDLC, which *can* be good for >up to 10% more. Why that Adtran passes it, I don't know, but snapshots on >both sides verified it. Wrong again! Stop it! I've changed my ways....are you trying to bait me? Dennis I AM a flame-aholic........ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 06:15:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08021 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (root@ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08014 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA21792; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <334A44F3.1BF808EB@mexcom.net> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 08:15:31 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rpanula@dacmail.net CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird ping behavior References: <334a0ee6.22078988@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Russ Panula wrote: > > Could somebody running 2.2.1-RELEASE try pinging > fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu? > > The machine I have running 2.2.1 tells me it's an unknown host but is > able to resolve the name using the host command. > > Other boxes here that are not running 2.2.1 can see it fine. > > Thanks, > Russ Pings fine from Veracruz, Mexico 60-70ms. Traceroute fine too. ed -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mexico Communicates, S.C. MexCom.Net, S.A. de C.V. Creators of Virtual Economic Communities for Industry, Commerce, Education and Government HTTP://EMPRENDE.NET.MX HTTP://MEXCOM.NET HTTP://CATALOGO.MEXCOM.NET HTTP://WTCVER.ORG.MX _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 06:53:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09664 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09657 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA12815; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:54:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:54:15 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Josef Belkovics cc: Russ Panula , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird ping behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Josef Belkovics wrote: > > Could somebody running 2.2.1-RELEASE try pinging > > fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu? fprac_mail_1 is an illegal domain name. Underscore characters are illegal. The only punctuation allowed is '.' and '-'. Send e-mail to hostmaster@umn.edu to complain. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 07:54:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12048 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12043 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09439 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa25110; 8 Apr 97 10:53 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:53:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: michael@blueneptune.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CERT Advisory on POP server In-Reply-To: <199704080642.XAA16131@rainey.blueneptune.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 michael@blueneptune.com wrote: > > Does anybody know if qpopper (the Qualcomm POP server) is vulnerable > in a similar fashion? I dunno but qpopper used to leave locks all over the place - I hated it. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 08:54:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14752 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14747 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Received: from asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG [205.179.79.65] by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0wEdE2-0001fL-00; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:54:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11881; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:54:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Subject: Re: CERT Advisory on IMAP and POP To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I note that this vulnerability is based on the need to run the IMAP/POP daemon as root. That should mean that the cyrus IMAP server, and its POP daemon are immune. They run as special user 'cyrus'; and all mailboxes belong to that user. It may be vulnerable to allowing users to run as 'cyrus', which would open mailboxes to tampering; but shouldn't open any further vulnerabilities. Although, you'll probably want to modify the standard installation to remove owner-write permission from the binaries in /usr/cyrus/bin. -Pat From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 10:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20232 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.warp.co.uk (root@mail.warp.co.uk [194.207.68.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20224 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ian-laptop (ppp7.warp.co.uk [194.207.69.36]) by mail.warp.co.uk with SMTP id SAA21137 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:41:42 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970408184035.006b3960@mail.warp.co.uk> X-Sender: tony@mail.warp.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:40:35 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Anthony Barlow Subject: POP servers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe qpopper leaves files all over the place. We're currently running Linux, but will be moving our POP and mail servers to FreeBSD.2.2.1 within the next week or so (as soon as all the bits get here) :-) Regards, Anthony From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 11:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21800 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21795 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15753; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704081816.MAA15753@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Anthony Barlow Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP servers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970408184035.006b3960@mail.warp.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19970408184035.006b3960@mail.warp.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe > qpopper leaves files all over the place. Hmm, we use qpopper exclusively here for *all* of our email, and I don't see any 'files' all over the place. (We're a business and not an ISP, so the 'users' are employees and have pretty standard/decent hardware). Granted, our connections are pretty good (mostly dedicated), but even the non-dedicated connections aren't leaving stuff around. +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at ns.mt.sri.com starting. <1949.860523395@ns.mt.sri.com Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 11:45:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23159 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnc.seahawk.navy.mil (firewall-user@cnc.seahawk.navy.mil [199.211.244.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23154 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cnc.seahawk.navy.mil; id NAA17909; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jumpgate.seahawk.navy.mil(10.1.1.10) by cnc.seahawk.navy.mil via smap (3.2) id xma017905; Tue, 8 Apr 97 13:48:50 -0400 Received: from jadams.seahawk.navy.mil (jadams.seahawk.navy.mil [10.2.3.1]) by jumpgate.seahawk.navy.mil (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA15441; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:43:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:46:22 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: John Adams To: Anthony Barlow cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP servers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970408184035.006b3960@mail.warp.co.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: jadams@jumpgate.seahawk.navy.mil MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Anthony Barlow wrote: > Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe > qpopper leaves files all over the place. We're currently running Linux, but > will be moving our POP and mail servers to FreeBSD.2.2.1 within the next > week or so (as soon as all the bits get here) :-) I use cucipop. ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/cucipop/cucipop.tar.gz -or- ftp://ftp.fdt.net/pub/unix/packages/cucipop/ --- John Adams -=- Computer Specialist & Network Guru O- NADEP Cherry Point Pensacola Florida +1.904.452.8551 DSN:922-8551 jadams@seahawk.navy.mil PGP ID 0x84E18C41 via key server - opinions expressed are entirely my own From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 11:49:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23430 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pernet.net (mail.pernet.net [205.229.0.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23424 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.pernet.net (office.pernet.net [205.229.0.2]) by mail.pernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA28571; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:44:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Neal Reply-To: neal@pernet.net To: Nate Williams cc: Anthony Barlow , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP servers In-Reply-To: <199704081816.MAA15753@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Same thing here. Our traffic has gotten high enough that me moved the temporary boxes to another partition. When we did that, the loxk files magically stopped appearing.Now my only problem is that the bulletin feature doesn't work correctly when you have it keep last bulletin read information in a database. Ugh. On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > > Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe > > qpopper leaves files all over the place. > > Hmm, we use qpopper exclusively here for *all* of our email, and I don't > see any 'files' all over the place. (We're a business and not an ISP, > so the 'users' are employees and have pretty standard/decent hardware). > Granted, our connections are pretty good (mostly dedicated), but even > the non-dedicated connections aren't leaving stuff around. > > +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at ns.mt.sri.com starting. <1949.860523395@ns.mt.sri.com > > > Nate > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 12:44:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26412 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26406 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05911 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704081944.PAA05911@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: Subject: Fw: make error: FBSD 2.1 & 2.1.5 and pgp 2.6.2 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:41:27 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am trying to install pgp 2.6.2 on FreeBSD 2.1 & 2.1.5 I did a "make" in the rsaref/install/unix directory. Then went to do a "make 386bsd" in the src directory and I get (on both machines): gcc -I../rsaref/source -I../rsaref/test -DUSEMPILIB -O -DUNIX -DIDEA32 -DASM -DMAX_NAMELEN=255 -c zipup.c zipup.c:43: conflicting types for `lseek' /usr/include/sys/types.h:84: previous declaration of `lseek' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. How can I get around this? Thanks, Pat Patrick McPartland mcp@blast.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 12:51:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26840 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rex.imperium.net (rex.imperium.net [206.26.98.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26833 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) by rex.imperium.net (8.8.5/Imperium) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "M. Jones" To: Neal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > > Same thing here. Our traffic has gotten high enough that me moved the > temporary boxes to another partition. When we did that, the loxk files > magically stopped appearing.Now my only problem is that the bulletin > feature doesn't work correctly when you have it keep last bulletin read > information in a database. Ugh. I believe the code to initialize/read the databases is at fault. I'm looking forward to when it finally works. It's also quite restrictive on the format of the bulletins, I often have to turn on debugging to find out what the problem with the new one is. We keep lockfiles in another directory on the same partition currently, if yours "suddenly dissapear" I take it that it uses hardlinks for the lockfiles and elects not to use lockfiles at all when it can't do hardlinks (across partitions). > > On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe > > > qpopper leaves files all over the place. > > > > Hmm, we use qpopper exclusively here for *all* of our email, and I don't > > see any 'files' all over the place. (We're a business and not an ISP, > > so the 'users' are employees and have pretty standard/decent hardware). > > Granted, our connections are pretty good (mostly dedicated), but even > > the non-dedicated connections aren't leaving stuff around. > > > > +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at ns.mt.sri.com starting. <1949.860523395@ns.mt.sri.com > > > > > > Nate > > > > > > Matt Jones Imperium Internet, Inc. System Administrator http://www.imperium.net mjones@imperium.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 14:02:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01507 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01501 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13508; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970408170104.00b1d8c0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:01:06 -0400 To: Nate Williams , Anthony Barlow From: dennis Subject: Re: POP servers Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:16 PM 4/8/97 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >> Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe >> qpopper leaves files all over the place. > >Hmm, we use qpopper exclusively here for *all* of our email, and I don't >see any 'files' all over the place. (We're a business and not an ISP, >so the 'users' are employees and have pretty standard/decent hardware). >Granted, our connections are pretty good (mostly dedicated), but even >the non-dedicated connections aren't leaving stuff around. > >+OK QPOP (version 2.2) at ns.mt.sri.com starting. <1949.860523395@ns.mt.sri.com > We have no problems as well, however we are using Eudora, and since popper is maintained by Qualcomm, it d*mn well better work! It also works ok with Microsoft mail...so you may want to look at your client. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 8 14:39:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03631 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unique.usn.blaze.net.au (unique.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03626 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by unique.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17313; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:38:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19970409073853.11308@usn.blaze.net.au> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:38:53 +1000 From: David Nugent To: Pat McPartland Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fw: make error: FBSD 2.1 & 2.1.5 and pgp 2.6.2 References: <199704081944.PAA05911@fireball.blast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e In-Reply-To: <199704081944.PAA05911@fireball.blast.net>; from Pat McPartland on Tue 04 08, 97 15:41 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue 8 Aril, 1997 15:41, Pat McPartland writes: > gcc -I../rsaref/source -I../rsaref/test -DUSEMPILIB -O -DUNIX -DIDEA32 > -DASM -DMAX_NAMELEN=255 -c zipup.c > zipup.c:43: conflicting types for `lseek' > /usr/include/sys/types.h:84: previous declaration of `lseek' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > How can I get around this? Remove or change the lseek() prototype. It probably uses 'long', or if the app is really old 'int', but freebsd uses a 64 bit ofs_t. It is /really/ annoying when a programmer feels that he can redefine libc routines in private headers. They should have concentrated on getting their #include's right to begin with. Send to above in a bug report in the 'ports' category, and cc the author. It is a programming error, and if lseek() is provided as a prototype, it will result in the application misbehaving. Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 03:33:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA10506 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 03:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fasts.com (qmailr@server.fasts.com [199.125.215.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10497 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 03:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704091033.DAA10497@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 257 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1997 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cabby.fasts.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 9 Apr 1997 12:32:09 -0000 From: "Victor Rotanov" To: Subject: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 13:26:27 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id DAA10499 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I have probs with subj: win95 connects, does pap, and then disconnects for some reason. Someone please send me working config (pppd, iijppp and win95 settings) Thanks, bye. PS: i really need it, i spent whole day setting up this :( thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 07:47:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23329 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23321 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Received: from asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG [205.179.79.65] by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0wEyeG-0005f2-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:46:56 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12651; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:46:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Subject: Re: POP servers To: Anthony Barlow Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970408184035.006b3960@mail.warp.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know of an alternative pop3 server than qpopper? I believe > qpopper leaves files all over the place. We're currently running Linux, but > will be moving our POP and mail servers to FreeBSD.2.2.1 within the next > week or so (as soon as all the bits get here) :-) You might want to check out the CMU Cyrus IMAP server suite. It is primarily an IMAP4 server; but has a pop daemon to allow POP-protocol access to the IMAP inboxes. For more info see: http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ I've been very happy with it so far; with the caveat that I haven't even tried the popd - we all use IMAP-capable mail readers. -Pat From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 08:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27853 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27848 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua (aviion.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.12]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA03584 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id OAA22601; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:39:46 GMT Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id QAA22897; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:09:37 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01898; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:13:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <334B880F.7870@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:14:03 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat McPartland CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: make error: FBSD 2.1 & 2.1.5 and pgp 2.6.2 References: <199704081944.PAA05911@fireball.blast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pat McPartland wrote: > > Hello, > I am trying to install pgp 2.6.2 on FreeBSD 2.1 & 2.1.5 I did a "make" in > the rsaref/install/unix directory. Then went to do a "make 386bsd" in the > src directory and I get (on both machines): > > gcc -I../rsaref/source -I../rsaref/test -DUSEMPILIB -O -DUNIX -DIDEA32 > -DASM -DMAX_NAMELEN=255 -c zipup.c > zipup.c:43: conflicting types for `lseek' > /usr/include/sys/types.h:84: previous declaration of `lseek' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. vi +43 zipup.c comment prototype of lseek. (and with few next errors --- the same) > > How can I get around this? > > Thanks, > Pat > > Patrick McPartland > mcp@blast.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 09:10:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28908 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28901 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.11) with ESMTP id ja091815 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <334B2627.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:16:23 -0500 From: Chris Dillon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rpanula@dacmail.net CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird ping behavior References: <334a0ee6.22078988@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Russ Panula wrote: > > Could somebody running 2.2.1-RELEASE try pinging > fprac_mail_1.med.umn.edu? > > The machine I have running 2.2.1 tells me it's an unknown host but is > able to resolve the name using the host command. > > Other boxes here that are not running 2.2.1 can see it fine. I am having a similar problem on my machine since upgrading (err, updating ) from 2.1.6 to 2.2. I thought it was just something I did wrong in the update procedure and dismissed it as such, but if others are having similar problems, maybe it needs to be looked into. :-) My problem, however, extends much farther than just ping. Telnet and ftp are affected as well. I fixed the same problem that occurred with my installed ports leftover from my 2.1.6 install, such as ircii and ncftp2, by compiling a "fakelib" of sorts found in the source tree (forgot its exact name) which ALSO helped ftp/ping/telnet/etc. for some reason? However, I didn't think any such problems should have affected something like ping/ftp/telnet since they were compiled to run with any new changes in 2.2 to begin with. :/ I'm not going to say there is a real problem with my system until I finally wipe everthing and do a fresh start with 2.2.1 (or whatever happens to be the latest RELEASE when I do so). Cheers, Chris Dillon From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 10:37:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03621 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.dnsserver.com (qmailr@[208.14.0.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03616 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1997 17:31:12 -0000 Received: from www8.clever.net (root@206.31.79.1) by smtp.clever.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1997 17:31:12 -0000 Received: from high.voltage.net (arkylady@[208.15.104.34]) by www8.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09722 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970409123802.00694424@web-trends.com> X-Sender: arkysaw@web-trends.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:38:04 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:26 PM 3/9/97 +0200, Victor Rotanov wrote: >I have probs with subj: win95 connects, does pap, and then disconnects for >some reason. I'm having the same problems. I put pppd in kdebug 1 mode and here is what I get: Apr 9 11:21:01 high pppd[917]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Apr 9 11:21:53 high pppd[917]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyc00 Apr 9 11:21:54 high /kernel: ppp0: bad fcs b4db Apr 9 11:21:54 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xf2 (need 0xFF) Apr 9 11:22:18 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xf0 (need 0xFF) Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: missing UI (0x3), got 0x6b Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xe8 (need 0xFF) Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: missing UI (0x3), got 0xe7 Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[917]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[917]: Connection terminated. Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[918]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 I have tried several different setups with this (getty, mgetty, pppd direct, even tried it on Linux) all with the same result. It must be either in the pppd options I'm using, my modems or the Win95 DUN settings, but I've tried a zillion different combinations, still no luck :( Right now I have in my /etc/ttys ttyc00 "/usr/bin/pppd" dialup on (I've also tried unknown on and a few other ways I've seen) Then I have my pppd options in /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/options.ttyc00 Would I even need anything in my gettytab or rc.serial with this setup? It seems to work fine (in fact it works the same and with the exact result as when I tried with getty, mgetty and scripts), the modems do answer (have the auto answer DIP switch set) the two modems talk, pppd connects itself to the ttyc00 port, then I get the errors and it disconnects. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know, I've been dealing with this for a few days now and I have no idea what direction to go in next. I have FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE and USR Sportster 33.6 modems. Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 11:08:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05353 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05348 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04465 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091808.OAA04465@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: Subject: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:37 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am trying to get smc9332 10/100 cards to work in FreeBSD. They detect as de0 and de1. Well, first, I can't even get one to work. I set up the card as such in sysconfig: network_interfaces="de0 lo0" ifconfig_de0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_lo0="inet localhost" and de0 is enabled (i'm using GENERIC kernel at the moment). No error, it just can't find anything on the network. Note this worked with 3com Etherlink3 (ep0). And the cards work in my win95 machine. I am going to trying to setup two of these cards in a dual-homed machine. Fun,fun,fun. Thanks, Pat Patrick McPartland mcp@blast.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 12:46:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11833 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11821 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16492; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091945.PAA16492@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: "Blaine Minazzi" Cc: Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:42:37 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk These cards are PCI cards. How would I set the kernel to find these cards? How does the kernel handle PCI? ---------- > From: Blaine Minazzi > To: Pat McPartland > Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems > Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 12:56 PM > > Pat McPartland wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am trying to get smc9332 10/100 cards to work in FreeBSD. They detect as > > de0 and de1. > > > > Well, first, I can't even get one to work. I set up the card as such in > > sysconfig: > > network_interfaces="de0 lo0" > > ifconfig_de0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_lo0="inet localhost" > > > > and de0 is enabled (i'm using GENERIC kernel at the moment). > > No error, it just can't find anything on the network. Note this worked > > with 3com Etherlink3 (ep0). > > > > And the cards work in my win95 machine. > > > > I am going to trying to setup two of these cards in a dual-homed machine. > > > > Fun,fun,fun. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pat > > > > Patrick McPartland > > mcp@blast.net > > Hate to ask a silly question, but are the cards set up at the interupt > and address that the kernel is compiled with? > > I would suggest that you either: > > a: Look at the config of the kernel and check the address and IRQ the > card is supposed to work at, and set the cards there. > > b: recompile the kernel with the parameters you need. > > I would personally go with option b... > > Oh yeah... if these are software set cards, did WIN95 "HELP" you > by resetting the cards to what IT wanted? I have seen it happen with > other cards. WinBLows changes settings on them without even a "by your > leave". > > I would also get ONE card working FIRST. then go to dual homed. > > Good Luck > > Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 13:23:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14818 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14808 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [208.18.129.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22075; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:20:35 -0500 (CDT) From: rpanula@dacmail.net (Russ Panula) To: Susie Ward Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:32:21 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Reply-To: rpanula@dacmail.net Message-ID: <334dfb71.4045683@mail.digitaladvantage.net> References: <3.0.32.19970409123802.00694424@web-trends.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970409123802.00694424@web-trends.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id NAA14813 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Susie, On Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:38:04 -0500, Susie Ward wrote: >Apr 9 11:21:01 high pppd[917]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 >Apr 9 11:21:53 high pppd[917]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyc00 >Apr 9 11:21:54 high /kernel: ppp0: bad fcs b4db >Apr 9 11:21:54 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xf2 (need 0xFF) > >Apr 9 11:22:18 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xf0 (need 0xFF) >Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: missing UI (0x3), got 0x6b >Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: garbage received: 0xe8 (need 0xFF) >Apr 9 11:22:19 high /kernel: ppp0: missing UI (0x3), got 0xe7 >Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[917]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests >Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[917]: Connection terminated. >Apr 9 11:22:23 high pppd[918]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 It almost looks like you don't have a very clean connection. Try replacing serial cables and phone cables. Since you have Sportsters, you could also send them an 'ati6' command to find out the disconnect reason and whether or not you connected using error control and data compression. Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 14:05:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17760 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17755 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [208.18.129.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22607; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:02:24 -0500 (CDT) From: rpanula@dacmail.net (Russ Panula) To: "Pat McPartland" Cc: "Blaine Minazzi" , Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:14:11 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Reply-To: rpanula@dacmail.net Message-ID: <334efd2a.4487197@mail.digitaladvantage.net> References: <199704091945.PAA16492@fireball.blast.net> In-Reply-To: <199704091945.PAA16492@fireball.blast.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id OAA17756 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Pat, On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:42:37 -0400, "Pat McPartland" wrote: >These cards are PCI cards. How would I set the kernel to find these cards? > How does the kernel handle PCI? > Within your kernel config file you should be able to specify: controller pci0 device de0 device de1 And the cards should be detected. Some bios setups will let you assign IRQ's manually to the cards. Make sure you are using the correct ethernet port on the card. Try adding -link2 or link2 to your ifconfig statements. >---------- >> From: Blaine Minazzi >> To: Pat McPartland >> Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems >> Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 12:56 PM >> >> Pat McPartland wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > I am trying to get smc9332 10/100 cards to work in FreeBSD. They >detect as >> > de0 and de1. >> > >> > Well, first, I can't even get one to work. I set up the card as such >in >> > sysconfig: >> > network_interfaces="de0 lo0" >> > ifconfig_de0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0" >> > ifconfig_lo0="inet localhost" >> > >> > and de0 is enabled (i'm using GENERIC kernel at the moment). >> > No error, it just can't find anything on the network. Note this worked >> > with 3com Etherlink3 (ep0). >> > >> > And the cards work in my win95 machine. >> > >> > I am going to trying to setup two of these cards in a dual-homed >machine. >> > >> > Fun,fun,fun. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > Patrick McPartland >> > mcp@blast.net >> >> Hate to ask a silly question, but are the cards set up at the interupt >> and address that the kernel is compiled with? >> >> I would suggest that you either: >> >> a: Look at the config of the kernel and check the address and IRQ the >> card is supposed to work at, and set the cards there. >> >> b: recompile the kernel with the parameters you need. >> >> I would personally go with option b... >> >> Oh yeah... if these are software set cards, did WIN95 "HELP" you >> by resetting the cards to what IT wanted? I have seen it happen with >> other cards. WinBLows changes settings on them without even a "by your >> leave". >> >> I would also get ONE card working FIRST. then go to dual homed. >> >> Good Luck >> >> Blaine > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 14:05:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17778 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17770 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19903; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704092105.RAA19903@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: "Glen Foster" Cc: Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:02:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, The card is detected irq 11 and ether 00:e0:29:00:cf:b7. and 100 is enabled. currently I'm using a Netgear en104 hub, that converts from 10base-T to Thinnet COAX. There is no link lite on the hub or the card. so should I configure for: network_interfaces="de0 lo0" ifconfig_de0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0" link1 link2 ifconfig_lo0="inet localhost" or should I leave off the link2 because this hub doesn't do 100base-T. It doesn't do full duplex either, I believe (though the other hub in 10/100 full duplex). Thanks, Pat mcp@blast.net ---------- > From: Glen Foster > To: mcp@blast.net > Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems > Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 4:32 PM > > I have used the SMC9332 without problems in a couple of machines. PCI > is not a problem. > > Does the kernel see the card when you boot the machine? Please report > the kernel messages (use dmesg(8) to see them). > > Do you get a link light on the hub? On the card? > > Are you doing 10 or 100? If 100, you should be giving a link2 to > ifconfig(8). > > Are you doing half or full duplex? If full, you should be giving a > link1 to ifconfig(8). > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 14:05:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17796 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softway95.softway.com (softway95.softway.com [206.80.1.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17786 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from renaud@localhost) by softway95.softway.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA03724 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.firehouse.net ([207.2.227.37]) by softway95.softway.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA03419 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.firehouse.net (8.8.4/555-1212) id PAA05914 for bsdi-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Doctor Message-Id: <199704091922.NAA01478@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Subject: Apache 1.2b8 Now Available (fwd) To: bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:22:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: > From apache-announce-owner@apache.org Tue Apr 8 20:10:39 1997 > Delivered-To: apache-announce@qmail.hyperreal.com > MBOX-Line: From apache-announce-owner@apache.org Tue Apr 8 17:53:48 1997 > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:56:19 -0400 > From: coar@decus.org (Rodent of Unusual Size) > Subject: Apache 1.2b8 Now Available > To: Apache-Announce@apache.org, Coar@decus.org > Message-id: <97040820561991@decus.org> > X-VMS-To: SMTP%"Apache-Announce@Apache.Org" > X-VMS-Cc: COAR > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Sender: apache-announce-owner@apache.org > Precedence: bulk > > Greetings! > > The eighth beta release of Apache 1.2 is now available in the usual > places (see below). A lot of problems, inconsistencies, and outright > bugs are corrected by this version, and if you're running any flavour of > 1.2, we highly recommend that you upgrade to 1.2b8. We have high hopes > that this is a release candidate; if no major problems with it are > identified, the final formal release of Apache 1.2 will soon follow. > > Users of Apache 1.2b7 and earlier have been very faithful at reporting > issues, and we owe them much gratitude. Thank you! > > See the main Apache web site (http://www.apache.org/) for downloading > instructions. This site also includes pointers to many mirror sites > that may be closer to you. > > Thank you for using Apache, and helping make it the Number 1 server on > the Web! > > #ken :-)} > > Opinions are those of the author. `... it was mine art, ... > that made gape the pine and let thee out.' - Prospero > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [The notation "PR#nnn" refers to a problem report in the Apache bug > database . Some of the descriptions > refer to the problem solved, and some to the solution that was applied.] > > Changes with Apache 1.2b8 > > *) suexec.c doesn't close the log file, allowing CGIs to continue writing > to it. [Marc Slemko] > > *) The addition of and directives made the > sub_req_lookup_simple() function bogus, so we now handle > the special cases directly. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) We now try to log where the server is dumping core when a fatal > signal is received. [Ken Coar] > > *) Improved lingering_close by adding a special timeout, removing the > spurious log messages, removing the nonblocking settings (they > are not needed with the better timeout), and adding commentary > about the NO_LINGCLOSE and USE_SO_LINGER issues. NO_LINGCLOSE is > now the default for SunOS4, Unixware, NeXT, and Irix. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Send error messages about setsockopt failures to the server error > log instead of stderr. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Fix loopholes in proxy cache expiry vis a vis alarms. [Brian Moore] > > *) Stopgap solution for CGI 3-second delay with server-side includes: if > processing a subrequest, allocate memory from r->main->pool instead > of r->pool so that we can avoid waiting for free_proc_chain to cleanup > in the middle of an SSI request. [Dean Gaudet] PR #122 > > *) Fixed status of response when POST is received for a nonexistant URL > (was sending 405, now 404) and when any method is sent with a > full-URI that doesn't match the server and the server is not acting > as a proxy (was sending 501, now 403). [Roy Fielding] > > *) Host port changed to unsigned short. [Ken Coar] PR #276 > > *) Fix typo in command definition of AuthAuthoritative. [Ken Coar] PR #246 > > *) Defined HAVE_SHMGET for shared memory on Linux. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Report extra info from errno with many errors that cause httpd to exit. > spawn_child, popenf, and pclosef now have valid errno returns in the > event of an error. Correct problems where errno was stomped on > before being reported. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) In the proxy, if the cache filesystem was full, garbage_coll() was > never called, and thus the filesystem would remain full indefinitely. > We now also remove incomplete cache files left if the origin server > didn't send a Content-Length header and either the client has aborted > transfer or bwrite() to client has failed. [Petr Lampa] > > *) Fixed the handling of module and script-added header fields. > Improved the interface for sending header fields and reduced > the duplication of code between sending okay responses and errors. > We now always send both headers_out and err_headers_out, and > ensure that the server-reserved fields are not being overridden, > while not overriding those that are not reserved. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Moved transparent content negotiation fields to err_headers_out > to reflect above changes. [Petr Lampa] > > *) Fixed the determination of whether or not we should make the > connection persistent for all of the cases where some other part > of the server has already indicated that we should not. Also > improved the ordering of the test so that chunked encoding will > be set whenever it is desired instead of only when KeepAlive > is enabled. Added persistent connection capability for most error > responses (those that do not indicate a bad input stream) when > accessed by an HTTP/1.1 client. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Added missing timeouts for sending header fields, error responses, > and the last chunk of chunked encoding, each of which could have > resulted in a process being stuck in write forever. Using soft_timeout > requires that the sender check for an aborted connection rather than > continuing after an EINTR. Timeouts that used to be initiated before > send_http_header (and never killed) are now initiated only within or > around the routines that actually do the sending, and not allowed to > propagate above the caller. [Roy Fielding] > > *) mod_auth_anon required an @ or a . in the email address, not both. > [Dirk vanGulik] > > *) per_dir_defaults weren't set correctly until directory_walk for > name-based vhosts. This fixes an obscure bug with the wrong config > info being used for vhosts that share the same ip as the server. > [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Improved generation of modules/Makefile to be more generic for > new module directories. [Ken Coar, Chuck Murcko, Roy Fielding] > > *) Generate makefile dependency for Configuration based on the actual > name given when running the Configure process. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fixed problem with vhost error log not being set prior to > initializing virtual hosts. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fixed infinite loop when a trailing slash is included after a type map > file URL (extra path info). [Petr Lampa] > > *) Fixed server status updating of per-connection counters. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Add documentation for DNS issues (reliability and security), and try > to explain the virtual host matching process. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Try to continue gracefully by disabling the vhost if a DNS lookup > fails while parsing the configuration file. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Improved calls to setsockopt. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Negotiation changes: Don't output empty content-type in variant list; > Output charset in variant list; Return sooner from handle_multi() if > no variants found; Add handling of '*' wildcard in Accept-Charset. > [Petr Lampa and Paul Sutton] > > *) Fixed overlaying of request/sub-request notes and headers in > mod_negotiation. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) If two variants' charset quality are equal and one is the default > charset (iso-8859-1), then prefer the variant that was specifically > listed in Accept-Charset instead of the default. [Petr Lampa] > > *) Memory allocation problem in push_array() -- it would corrupt memory > when nalloc==0. [Kai Risku and Roy Fielding] > > *) invoke_handler() doesn't handle mime arguments in content-type > [Petr Lampa] PR#160 > > *) Reduced IdentityCheck timeout to 30 seconds, as per RFC 1413 minimum. > [Ken Coar] > > *) Fixed problem with ErrorDocument not working for virtual hosts > due to one of the performance changes in 1.2b7. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Log an error message if we get a request header that is too long, > since it may indicate a buffer overflow attack. [Marc Slemko] > > *) Made is_url() allow "[-.+a-zA-Z0-9]+:" as a valid scheme and > not reject URLs without a double-slash, as per RFC2068 section 3.2. > [Ken Coar] PR #146, #187 > > *) Added table entry placeholder for new header_parser callback > in all of the distributed modules. [Ken Coar] PR #191 > > *) Allow for cgi files without the .EXE extension on them under OS/2. > [Garey Smiley] PR #59 > > *) Fixed error message when resource is not found and URL contains > path info. [Petr Lampa and Dean Gaudet] PR #40 > > *) Fixed user and server confusion over what should be a virtual host > and what is the main server, resulting in access to something > other than the name defined in the virtualhost directive (but > with the same IP address) failing. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Updated mod_rewrite to version 3.0.2, which: fixes compile error on > AIX; improves the redirection stuff to enable the users to generally > redirect to http, https, gopher and ftp; added TIME variable for > RewriteCond which expands to YYYYMMDDHHMMSS strings and added the > special patterns >STRING, can be used in conjunction with %{TIME} or other variables to create > time-dependent rewriting rules. [Ralf S. Engelschall] > > *) bpushfd() no longer notes cleanups for the file descriptors it is handed. > Module authors may need to adjust their code for proper cleanup to take > place (that is, call note_cleanups_for_fd()). This change fixes problems > with file descriptors being erroneously closed when the proxy module was > in use. [Ben Laurie] > > *) Fix bug in suexec reintroduced by changes in 1.2b7 which allows > initgroups() to hose the group information needed for later > comparisons. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Remove unnecessary call to va_end() in create_argv() which > caused a SEGV on some systems. > > *) Use proper MAXHOSTNAMELEN symbol for limiting length of server name. > [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Clear memory allocated for listeners. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Improved handling of IP address as a virtualhost address and > introduced "_default_" as a synonym for the default vhost config. > [Dean Gaudet] PR #212 > > Changes with Apache 1.2b7 > > *) Port to UXP/DS(V20) [Toshiaki Nomura ] > > *) unset Content-Length if chunked (RFC-2068) [Petr Lampa] > > *) mod_negotiation fixes [Petr Lampa] PR#157, PR#158, PR#159 > - replace protocol response numbers with symbols > - save variant-list into main request notes > - free allocated memory from subrequests > - merge notes, headers_out and err_headers_out > > *) changed status check mask in proxy_http.c from "HTTP/#.# ### *" to > "HTTP/#.# ###*" to be more lenient about what we accept. > [Chuck Murcko] > > *) more proxy FTP bug fixes: > - Changed send_dir() to remove user/passwd from displayed URL. > - Changed login error messages to be more descriptive. > - remove setting of SO_DEBUG socket option > - Make ftp_getrc() more lenient about multiline responses, > specifically, 230 responses which don't have continuation 230- > on each line). These seem to be all NT FTP servers, and while > perhaps questionable, they appear to be legal by RFC 959. > - Add missing kill_timeout() after transfer to user completes. > [Chuck Murcko] > > *) Fixed problem where a busy server could hang when restarting > after being sent a SIGHUP due to child processes not exiting. > [Marc Slemko] > > *) Modify mod_include escaping so a '\' only signifies an escaped > character if the next character is one that needs > escaping. [Ben Laurie] > > *) Eliminated possible infinite loop in mod_imap when relative URLs are > used with a 'base' directive that does not have a '/' in it. > [Marc Slemko, reported by Onno Witvliet ] > > *) Reduced the default timeout from 1200 seconds to 300, and the > one in the sample configfile from 400 to 300. [Marc Slemko] > > *) Stop vbprintf from crashing if given a NULL string pointer; > print (null) instead. [Ken Coar] > > *) Don't disable Nagle algorithm if system doesn't have TCP_NODELAY. > [Marc Slemko and Roy Fielding] > > *) Fixed problem with mod_cgi-generated internal redirects trying to > read the request message-body twice. [Archie Cobbs and Roy Fielding] > > *) Reduced timeout on lingering close, removed possibility of a blocked > read causing the child to hang, and stopped logging of errors if > the socket is not connected (reset by client). [Roy Fielding] > > *) Rearranged main child loop to remove duplication of code in > select/accept and keep-alive requests, fixed several bugs regarding > checking scoreboard_image for exit indication and failure to > account for all success conditions and trap all error conditions, > prevented multiple flushes before closing the socket; close the entire > socket buffer instead of just one descriptor, prevent logging of > EPROTO and ECONNABORTED on platforms where supported, and generally > improved readability. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Extensive performance improvements. Cleaned up inefficient use of > auto initializers, multiple is_matchexp calls on a static string, > and excessive merging of response_code_strings. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Added double-buffering to mod_include to improve performance on > server-side includes. [Marc Slemko] > > *) Several fixes for suexec wrapper. [Randy Terbush] > - Make wrapper work for files on NFS filesystem. > - Fix portability problem of MAXPATHLEN. > - Fix array overrun problem in clean_env(). > - Fix allocation of PATH environment variable > > *) Removed extraneous blank line is description of mod_status chars. > [Kurt Kohler] > > *) Logging of errors from the call_exec routine simply went nowhere, > since the logfile fd has been closed, so now we send them to stderr. > [Harald T. Alvestrand] > > *) Fixed core dump when DocumentRoot is a CGI. > [Ben Laurie, reported by geddis@tesserae.com] > > *) Fixed potential file descriptor leak in mod_asis; updated it and > http_core to use pfopen/pfclose instead of fopen/fclose. > [Randy Terbush and Roy Fielding] > > *) Fixed handling of unsigned ints in ap_snprintf() on some chips such > as the DEC Alpha which is 64-bit but uses 32-bit ints. > [Dean Gaudet and Ken Coar] > > *) Return a 302 response code to the client when sending a redirect > due to a missing trailing '/' on a directory instead of a 301; now > it is cacheable. [Markus Gyger] > > *) Fix condition where, if a bad directive occurs in .htaccess, and > sub_request() goes first to this directory, then log_reason() will > SIGSEGV because it doesn't have initialized r->per_dir_config. > [PR#162 from Petr Lampa, fix by Marc Slemko and Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fix handling of lang_index in is_variant_better(). This was > causing problems which resulted in the server sending the > wrong language document in some cases. [Petr Lampa] > > *) Remove free() from clean_env() in suexec wrapper. This was nuking > the clean environment on some systems. > > *) Tweak byteserving code (e.g. serving PDF files) to work around > bugs in Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. > Emit Content-Length header when sending multipart/byteranges. > [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Port to HI-UX/WE2. [Nick Maclaren] > > *) Port to HP MPE operating system for HP 3000 machines > [Mark Bixby ] > > *) Fixed bug which caused a segmentation fault if only one argument > given to RLimit* directives. [Ed Korthof] > > *) Continue persistent connection after 204 or 304 response. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Improved buffered output to the client by delaying the flush decision > until the BUFF code is actually about to read the next request. > This fixes a problem introduced in 1.2b5 with clients that send > an extra CRLF after a POST request. Also improved chunked output > performance by combining writes using writev() and removing as > many bflush() calls as possible. NOTE: Platforms without writev() > must add -DNO_WRITEV to the compiler CFLAGS, either in Configuration > or Configure, unless we have already done so. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fixed mod_rewrite bug which truncated the rewritten URL [Marc Slemko] > > *) Fixed mod_info output corruption bug introduced by buffer overflow > fixes. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fixed http_protocol to correctly output all HTTP/1.1 headers, including > for the special case of a 304 response. [Paul Sutton] > > *) Improved handling of TRACE method by bypassing normal method handling > and header parsing routines; fixed Allow response to always allow TRACE. > [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fixed compiler warnings in the regex library. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Cleaned-up some of the generated HTML. [Ken Coar] > > Changes with Apache 1.2b6 > > *) Allow whitespace in imagemap mapfile coordinates. [Marc Slemko] > > *) Fix typo introduced in fix for potential infinite loop around > accept() in child_main(). This change caused the rev to 1.2b6. > 1.2b5 was never a public beta. > > Changes with Apache 1.2b5 > > *) Change KeepAlive semantics (On|Off instead of a number), add > MaxKeepAliveRequests directive. [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Various NeXT compilation patches, as well as a change in > regex/regcomp.c since that file also used a NEXT define. > [Andreas Koenig] > > *) Allow * to terminate the end of a directory match in mod_dir. > Allows /~* to match for both /~joe and /~joe/. [David Bronder] > > *) Don't call can_exec() if suexec_enabled. Calling this requires > scripts executed by the suexec wrapper to be world executable, which > defeats one of the advantages of running the wrapper. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Portability Fix: IRIX complained with 'make clean' about *pure* (removed) > [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Migration from sprintf() to snprintf() to avoid buffer > overflows. [Marc Slemko] > > *) Provide portable snprintf() implementation (ap_snprintf) > as well as *cvt family. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Portability Fix: NeXT lacks unistd.h so we wrap it's inclusion > [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Remove mod_fastcgi.c from the distribution. This module appears > to be maintained more through the Open Market channels and should > continue to be easily available at http://www.fastcgi.com/ > > *) Fixed bug in modules/Makefile that wouldn't allow building in more > than one subdirectory (or cleaning, either). [Jeremy Laidman] > > *) mod_info assumed that the config files were relative to ServerRoot. > [Ken the Rodent] > > *) CGI scripts called as an error document resulting from failed > CGI execution would hang waiting for POST'ed data. [Rob Hartill] > > *) Log reason when mod_dir returns access HTTP_FORBIDDEN > [Ken the Rodent] > > *) Properly check errno to prevent display of a directory index > when server receives a long enough URL to confuse stat(). > [Marc Slemko] > > *) Several security enhancements to suexec wrapper. It is _highly_ > recommended that previously installed versions of the wrapper > be replaced with this version. [Randy Terbush, Jason Dour] > > - ~user execution now properly restricted to ~user's home > directory and below. > - execution restricted to UID/GID > 100 > - restrict passed environment to known variables > - call setgid() before initgroups() (portability fix) > - remove use of setenv() (portability fix) > > *) Add HTTP/1.0 response forcing. [Ben Laurie] > > *) Add access control via environment variables. [Ben Laurie] > > *) Add rflush() function. [Alexei Kosut] > > *) remove duplicate pcalloc() call in new_connection(). > > *) Fix incorrect comparison which could allow number of children = > MaxClients + 1 if less than HARD_SERVER_LIMIT. Also fix potential > problem if StartServers > HARD_SERVER_LIMIT. [Ed Korthof] > > *) Updated support for OSes (MachTen, ULTRIX, Paragon, ISC, OpenBSD > AIX PS/2, CONVEXOS. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Replace instances of inet_ntoa() with inet_addr() for ProxyBlock. > It's more portable. [Martin Kraemer] > > *) Replace references to make in Makefile.tmpl with $(MAKE). > [Chuck Murcko] > > *) Add ProxyBlock directive w/IP address caching. Add IP address > caching to NoCache directive as well. ProxyBlock works with all > handlers; NoCache now also works with FTP for anonymous logins. > Still more code cleanup. [Chuck Murcko] > > *) Add "header parse" API hook [Ben Laurie] > > *) Fix byte ordering problems for REMOTE_PORT [Chuck Murcko] > > *) suEXEC wrapper was freeing memory that had not been malloc'ed. > > *) Correctly allow access and auth directives in sections in > server config files. [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Fix bug with ServerPath that could cause certain files to be not > found by the server. [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Fix handling of ErrorDocument so that it doesn't remove a trailing > double-quote from text and so that it properly checks for unsupported > status codes using the new index_of_response interface. [Roy Fielding] > > *) Multiple fixes to the lingering_close code in order to avoid being > interrupted by a stray timeout, to avoid lingering on a connection > that has already been aborted or never really existed, to ensure that > we stop lingering as soon as any error condition is received, and to > prevent being stuck indefinitely if the read blocks. Also improves > reporting of error conditions. [Marc Slemko and Roy Fielding] > > *) Fixed initialization of parameter structure for sigaction. > [mgyger@itr.ch, Adrian Filipi-Martin] > > *) Fixed reinitializing the parameters before each call to accept and > select, and removed potential for infinite loop in accept. > [Roy Fielding, after useful PR from adrian@virginia.edu] > > *) Fixed condition where, if a child fails to fork, the scoreboard would > continue to say SERVER_STARTING forever. Eventually, the main process > would refuse to start new children because count_idle_servers() will > count those SERVER_STARTING entries and will always report that there > are enough idle servers. [Phillip Vandry] > > *) Fixed bug in bcwrite regarding failure to account for partial writes. > Avoided calling bflush() when the client is pipelining requests. > Removed unnecessary flushes from http_protocol. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Added description of "." mode in server-status [Jim Jagielski] > > > Changes with Apache 1.2b4: > > *) Fix possible race condition in accept_mutex_init() that > could leave a small security hole open allowing files to be > overwritten in cases where the server UID has write permissions. > [Marc Slemko] > > *) Fix awk compatibilty problem in Configure. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Fix portablity problem in util_script where ARG_MAX may not be > defined for some systems. > > *) Add changes to allow compilation on Machten 4.0.3 for PowerPC. > [Randal Schwartz] > > *) OS/2 changes to support an MMAP style scoreboard file and UNIX > style magic #! token for better script portability. [Garey Smiley] > > *) Fix bug in suexec wrapper introduced in b3 that would cause failed > execution for ~userdir CGI. [Jason Dour] > > *) Fix initgroups() business in suexec wrapper. [Jason Dour] > > *) Fix month off by one in suexec wrapper logging. > > Changes with Apache 1.2b3: > > *) Fix error in mod_cgi which could cause resources not to be properly > freed, or worse. [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Fix find_string() NULL pointer dereference. [Howard Fear] > > *) Add set_flag_slot() at the request of Dirk and others. > [Dirk vanGulik] > > *) Sync mod_rewrite with patch level 10. [Ralf Engelschall] > > *) Add changes to improve the error message given for invalid > ServerName parameters. [Dirk vanGulik] > > *) Add "Authoritative" directive for Auth modules that don't > currently have it. This gives admin control to assign authoritative > control to an authentication scheme and allow "fall through" for > those authentication modules that aren't "Authoritative" thereby > allowing multiple authentication mechanisms to be chained. > [Dirk vanGulik] > > *) Remove requirement for ResourceConfig/AccessConfig if not using > the three config file layout. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Add PASV mode to mod_proxy FTP handler. [Chuck Murcko] > > *) Changes to suexec wrapper to fix the following problems: > 1. symlinked homedirs will kill ~userdirs. > 2. initgroups() on Linux 2.0.x clobbers gr->grid. > 3. CGI command lines paramters problems > 4. pw-pwdir for "docroot check" still the httpd user's pw record. > [Randy Terbush, Jason Dour] > > *) Change create_argv() to accept variable arguments. This fixes > a problem where arguments were not getting passed to the CGI via > argv[] when the suexec wrapper was active. [Randy Terbush, Jake Buchholz] > > *) Collapse multiple slashes in path URLs to properly apply > handlers defined by . [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Define a sane set of DEFAULT_USER and DEFAULT_GROUP values for AIX. > > *) Improve the accuracy of request duration timings by setting > r->request_time in read_request_line() instead of read_request(). > [Dean Gaudet] > > *) Reset timeout while reading via get_client_block() in mod_cgi.c > Fixes problem with timed out transfers of large files. [Rasmus Lerdorf] > > *) Add the ability to pass different Makefile.tmpl files to Configure > using the -make flag. [Rob Hartill] > > *) Fix coredump triggered when sending a SIGHUP to the server caused > by an assertion failure, in turn caused by an uninitialised field in a > listen_rec. > [Ben Laurie] > > *) Add FILEPATH_INFO variable to CGI environment, which is equal to > PATH_INFO from previous versions of Apache (in certain situations, > Apache 1.2's PATH_INFO will be different than 1.1's). [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Add rwrite() function to API to allow for sending strings of > arbitrary length. [Doug MacEachern] > > *) Remove rlim_t typedef for NetBSD. Do older versions need this? > > *) Defined rlim_t and WANTHSREGEX=yes and fixed waitpid() substitute for > NeXT. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Removed recent modification to promote the status code on internal > redirects, since the correct fix was to change the default log format > in mod_log_config so that it outputs the original status. [Rob Hartill] > > Changes with Apache 1.2b2: > > *) Update set_signals() to use sigaction() for setting handlers. > This appears to fix a re-entrant problem in the seg_fault() > bus_error() handlers. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Changes to allow mod_status compile for OS/2 [Garey Smiley] > > *) changes for DEC AXP running OSF/1 v3.0. [Marc Evans] > > *) proxy_http.c bugfixes: [Chuck Murcko] > 1) fixes possible NULL pointer reference w/NoCache > 2) fixes NoCache behavior when using ProxyRemote (ProxyRemote > host would cache nothing if it was in the local domain, > and the local domain was in the NoCache list) > 3) Adds Host: header when not available > 4) Some code cleanup and clarification > > *) mod_include.c bugfixes: > 1) Fixed an ommission that caused include variables to not > be parsed in config errmsg directives [Howard Fear] > 2) Remove HAVE_POSIX_REGEX cruft [Alexei Kosut] > 3) Patch to fix compiler warnings [perrot@lal.in2p3.fr] > 4) Allow backslash-escaping to all quoted text > [Ben Yoshino ] > 5) Pass variable to command line if not set in XSSI's env > [Howard Fear] > > *) Fix infinite loop when processing Content-language lines in > type-map files. [Alexei Kosut] > > *) Closed file-globbing hole in test-cgi script. [Brian Behlendorf] > > *) Fixed problem in set_[user|group] that prevented CGI execution > for non-virtualhosts when suEXEC was enabled. [Randy Terbush] > > *) Added PORTING information file. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Added definitions for S_IWGRP and S_IWOTH to conf.h [Ben Laurie] > > *) Changed default group to "nogroup" instead of "nobody" [Randy Terbush] > > *) Fixed define typo of FCNTL_SERIALIZED_ACCEPT where > USE_FCNTL_SERIALIZED_ACCEPT was intended. > > *) Fixed additional uses of 0xffffffff where INADDR_NONE was intended, > which caused problems of systems where socket s_addr is >32bits. > > *) Added comment to explain (r->chunked = 1) side-effect in > http_protocol.c [Roy Fielding] > > *) Replaced use of index() in mod_expires.c with more appropriate > and portable isdigit() test. [Ben Laurie] > > *) Updated Configure for ... > OS/2 (DEF_WANTHSREGEX=yes, other code changes) > *-dg-dgux* (bad pattern match) > QNX (DEF_WANTHSREGEX=yes) > *-sunos4* (DEF_WANTHSREGEX=yes, -DUSEBCOPY) > *-ultrix (new) > *-unixware211 (new) > and added some user diagnostic info. [Ben Laurie] > > *) In helpers/CutRule, replaced "cut" invocation with "awk" invocation > for better portability. [Jim Jagielski] > > *) Updated helpers/GuessOS for ... > SCO 5 (recognize minor releases) > SCO Unixware (braindamaged uname, whatever-whatever-unixware2) > SCO UnixWare 2.1.1 (requires a separate set of #defines in conf.h) > IRIX64 (-sgi-irix64) > ULTRIX (-unknown-ultrix) > SINIX (-whatever-sysv4) > NCR Unix (-ncr-sysv4) > and fixed something in helpers/PrintPath [Ben Laurie] > > Changes with Apache 1.2b1: > > *) Not listed. See > THAT BEING SAID, I have made available a BSDI 3.0 that should be maxiM friendly available from ftp://ftp.nl2k.ab.ca/pub/Unix/apache_1.2b8_BSDI3.0.tar.gz SSL version to be available in 72 hours. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 14:12:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18300 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18292 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA05213; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:11:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199704092111.OAA05213@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients To: webmaster@web-trends.com (Susie Ward) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970409123802.00694424@web-trends.com> from "Susie Ward" at Apr 9, 97 12:38:04 pm Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I'm having the same problems. I put pppd in kdebug 1 mode and here is what > I get: One important thing to check for in the Win95 setup --- look at the Properties of the Dialup Networking icon, and from there select the "Server Type" button. One of the options is "Log on to network" --- make sure this is -not- selected. It caused us no end of problems, and users often think it has to be selected. It might not be the source of your problems, but it is something to check. Some very good details on setting up Win95 for dialup networking is available here: http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/95/nov/bwm11.htm [Start "plug" mode] I personally highly recommend Boardwatch magazine, they are one of the best (if not -the- best) trade magazines out there. And their online site has just about everything of importantce found in their printed magazines. [End "plug" mode. I am not associated with Boardwatch in any way, other than being a happy customer.] - -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM0wGE+I5fPtI1d8pAQFwIQP/QWb5KQxCC1YNyTk4r05a88lIE119qXFo xTepk6P1WjHHRFbFqz4ktjxm0aGca8fIEVcY2LLZjDjtB6h77XMMHdxlPmdPsIvW o8tQkT/0uw3fgrLwXYocRsIreC4qpc8n0IaeG5vMS4AaK5zzzZgrfChCi+FuFoN+ +yQCdkE1fVY= =+CW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 14:12:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18347 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18342 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA16591; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Pat McPartland cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smc9332 and freeBSD 2.1.5 problems In-Reply-To: <199704091808.OAA04465@fireball.blast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Upgrade to 2.1.7.1 or 2.2.1...The de driver in 2.1.5 does not support your cards. pbd -- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep. On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Pat McPartland wrote: > I am trying to get smc9332 10/100 cards to work in FreeBSD. They detect as > de0 and de1. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 15:36:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22430 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.netcorps.com (main.netcorps.com [205.149.1.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22416 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.netcorps.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA18516 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704092233.PAA18516@main.netcorps.com> X-Authentication-Warning: main.netcorps.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Asus P/I-P55T2P4S okay? Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:33:58 -0700 From: Chris Bura Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Anybody know if FreeBSD likes the Asus P/I-P55T2P4S motherboard. It's the one with the built-in Adaptec SCSI UW. (On Board Adaptec. AHA7880 Ultra Wide SCSI Controller.) Saves about $200.00 and 1 PCI slot. Thanks Chris NetCorps From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 15:50:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23055 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23049 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA04356; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Chris Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird ping behavior In-Reply-To: <334B2627.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 2.2 has a newer resolver library that discards invalid hostnames. This helps prevent security problems for programs that trust DNS data without doing any sanity checking. Bug the hostmaster of the losing domain to RTFRFC. pbd -- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep. On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Chris Dillon wrote: > I am having a similar problem on my machine since upgrading (err, > updating ) from 2.1.6 to 2.2. I thought it was just something I > did wrong in the update procedure and dismissed it as such, but if > others are having similar problems, maybe it needs to be looked into. > :-) > > My problem, however, extends much farther than just ping. Telnet and > ftp are affected as well. I fixed the same problem that occurred with > my installed ports leftover from my 2.1.6 install, such as ircii and > ncftp2, by compiling a "fakelib" of sorts found in the source tree > (forgot its exact name) which ALSO helped ftp/ping/telnet/etc. for some > reason? However, I didn't think any such problems should have affected > something like ping/ftp/telnet since they were compiled to run with any > new changes in 2.2 to begin with. :/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 16:18:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25685 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25669 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA20521; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:23:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:23:22 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Susie Ward cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970409123802.00694424@web-trends.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Susie Ward wrote: > At 01:26 PM 3/9/97 +0200, Victor Rotanov wrote: > >I have probs with subj: win95 connects, does pap, and then disconnects for > >some reason. > > I'm having the same problems. I put pppd in kdebug 1 mode and here is what > I get: Just a thought, but do you have "Client for Microsoft Networks" in TCP/IP bindings on W95? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 9 18:54:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04092 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04086 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA06734 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen a number of people say they are using Cyrus. What I am wondering is how do you get around this in cyrus-imapd-v1.5.2/doc/copyrights: * Copyright 1996, Carnegie Mellon University. All Rights Reserved. * * This software is made available for academic and research * purposes only. No commercial license is hereby granted. * Copying and other reproduction is authorized only for research, * education, and other non-commercial purposes. No warranties, * either expressed or implied, are made regarding the operation, * use, or results of the software. Such a release does not permit * use of the code for commercial purposes or benefits by anyone * without specific, additional permission by the owner of the code. ??? Bradley Dunn On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG wrote: > You might want to check out the CMU Cyrus IMAP server suite. It is > primarily an IMAP4 server; but has a pop daemon to allow POP-protocol > access to the IMAP inboxes. For more info see: > > http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ > > I've been very happy with it so far; with the caveat that I haven't > even tried the popd - we all use IMAP-capable mail readers. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 06:38:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05407 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05402 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (uucp1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.26]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id OAA04750; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:38:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id OAA10916; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:25:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA04960; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:57:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970410105521.0069c28c@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:55:21 +0100 To: Susie Ward , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: having problems with iijppp, pppd and win95 clients Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:38 09/04/97 -0500, Susie Ward wrote: I put pppd in kdebug 1 mode and here is what >I get: [...] > the two modems talk, pppd connects itself >to the ttyc00 port, then I get the errors and it disconnects [...] You may possibly be having a similar problem to us relating to onboard serial support. After a similar process of trial and error (with uucp rather than ppp) we isolated the problem to an incompatibility/fault with Intel VX motherboards. Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 10:10:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18131 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.netcorps.com (main.netcorps.com [205.149.1.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18126 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.netcorps.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26278 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704101707.KAA26278@main.netcorps.com> X-Authentication-Warning: main.netcorps.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Sprint or MCI ?? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:54 -0700 From: Chris Bura Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We're trying to decide between Sprint or MCI for our T1 service. They both have the good sales pitches. Sprint says they're all IP and MCI mixes frame with IP. MCI says they have 40% of the internet traffic. As far as marketing goes, I think MCI is more dominant. This is a huge binding decision so we'd really like to do it right. Anybody have any non-biased information for us? Thanks Chris From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 12:09:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23727 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23721 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from louis (async251-16.async.duke.edu [152.3.251.16]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.4/Duke-4.2) with SMTP id PAA10514; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970410190507.00724c50@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:05:07 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: Windows 95 -ppp-> FreeBSD nameserver problem Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have set up a FreeBSD box as a terminal server using pppd. It all seemed to be working fine (2 days) until last night when suddenly Windows 95 dial-in users cannot seem to get nameservice. Win 95 apps like Netscape and WS_FTP work fine with IP numbers but not at all with names. The Win 95 dial-in properties have the nameserver boxes filled in correctly as far as I can tell. The nameservers are not on the same subnet as the terminal server but are connected via an Ascend router (frame relay) to the Digex (our ISP) nameservers. The nameservers work fine if I do a shell login to the terminal server and telnet, ftp etc from there. HELP HELP please Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 12:30:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25262 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25257 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01090; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Chris Bura cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? In-Reply-To: <199704101707.KAA26278@main.netcorps.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Chris Bura wrote: > Hi, > > We're trying to decide between Sprint or MCI for our T1 service. > They both have the good sales pitches. > > Sprint says they're all IP and MCI mixes frame with IP. > MCI says they have 40% of the internet traffic. I only have experience with uunet, and sprint - and I like sprint. They give you a full T1, not a stuffed one, and arent down much. They have had troubles in the past - everybody does. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 13:17:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27282 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nero.in-design.com (root@nero.in-design.com [204.157.146.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27277 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from archive@localhost) by nero.in-design.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26737; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:16:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Intuitive Design Archive To: Steve cc: Chris Bura , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Steve wrote: > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Chris Bura wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We're trying to decide between Sprint or MCI for our T1 service. > > They both have the good sales pitches. > > > > Sprint says they're all IP and MCI mixes frame with IP. > > MCI says they have 40% of the internet traffic. > > I only have experience with uunet, and sprint - and I like sprint. They > give you a full T1, not a stuffed one, and arent down much. They have had > troubles in the past - everybody does. > > Since we are questioning who to use, can someone tell me anything about that following providers: Bell North East crl.com uunet I am looking for either frame relay, smds, or a DS1. Can anyone out there tell me their experience with any of the above? Intuitive Design Archive http://www.in-design.com archive@in-design.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 13:20:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27507 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yacko.netgazer.net (yacko.netgazer.net [208.12.177.63]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27485 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.12.177.224] (furball.netgazer.com [208.12.177.224]) by yacko.netgazer.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24728 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:25:04 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199704101707.KAA26278@main.netcorps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:23:00 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Darrin R. Woods" Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Chris Bura wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We're trying to decide between Sprint or MCI for our T1 service. >> They both have the good sales pitches. >> >> Sprint says they're all IP and MCI mixes frame with IP. >> MCI says they have 40% of the internet traffic. > >I only have experience with uunet, and sprint - and I like sprint. They >give you a full T1, not a stuffed one, and arent down much. They have had >troubles in the past - everybody does. I would have to second this opinion. We also switched from UUNet to Sprint and have been happy ever since. They have responded very quickly (usually within an hour) to any problems or questions that we have. They get a bad rap from some past mistakes, but they seem to have their act together as we have never experienced any problems with them. Darrin R. Woods | "I'm so happy that I, can't stop crying." Director Operations | Netgazer Solutions, Inc. | work: http://www.netgazer.net Dallas, Texas 972.702.9119 | home: http://www.intosh.com My employer most whole-heartedly denies everything I say From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 13:51:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29337 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29326 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: RGireyev@BellInd.com Received: from cdcexchange.bellind.com ([170.1.130.2]) by firewall.bellind.com with SMTP id <17066-1>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:51:22 -0700 Received: by cdcexchange.bellind.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BC45B6.FE0BC580@cdcexchange.bellind.com>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Windows 95 -ppp-> FreeBSD nameserver problem Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The pitiful, crap, windors95 dung does not have scripting options. So you cannot write a script to do this for your customers. You must tell your, already confused users, to do the following: Click Start->Settings->Control Panel Double Click Network Scroll through installed network components and locate TCP/IP (This of course assumes Microsoft stack) Highlight TCP/IP and click on Properties A screen with six tabs will show up Select the DNS Configuration Click on Enable DNS Enter Host and Domain Enter DNS IP number AND CLICK ADD If applicable enter Domain Suffix IP and click add. This should resolve the DNS problem, but the fun is only starting :-). Enabled WINS or improper or missing gateway IP number maybe the source of other problems. Hope this helps. Rudy >---------- >From: Charles Reese[SMTP:reese@chem.duke.edu] >Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 12:05 PM >To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Subject: Windows 95 -ppp-> FreeBSD nameserver problem > >I have set up a FreeBSD box as a terminal server using pppd. It all >seemed >to be working fine (2 days) until last night when suddenly Windows 95 >dial-in users cannot seem to get nameservice. Win 95 apps like >Netscape and >WS_FTP work fine with IP numbers but not at all with names. The Win 95 >dial-in properties have the nameserver boxes filled in correctly as far >as I >can tell. The nameservers are not on the same subnet as the terminal >server >but are connected via an Ascend router (frame relay) to the Digex (our >ISP) >nameservers. The nameservers work fine if I do a shell login to the >terminal server and telnet, ftp etc from there. > >HELP HELP >please >Charlie Reese > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Charles E. Reese * * >Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * >919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * >919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * > * http://trader.ourway.com * >reese@chem.duke.edu * * >------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 15:33:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04749 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04744 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12118 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some advice needed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, One of my friends is thinking about starting a FreeBSD based ISP with pops in several different locations. What would be needed besides modems and the FreeBSD machine to provide slip/ppp services in addition to shell access? I noticed that Whole Earth Network (http://www.wenet.net) seems to be using BSDI machines since when you call, it will just show the standard unix login prompt and you had to add -ppp to do ppp. Is FreeBSD capable of acting as a terminal server? Thanks for any advice anyone could offer. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 16:24:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07816 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07779 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA26414; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:29:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:29:19 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Vincent Poy cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > One of my friends is thinking about starting a FreeBSD based ISP > with pops in several different locations. What would be needed besides > modems and the FreeBSD machine to provide slip/ppp services in addition to > shell access? I noticed that Whole Earth Network (http://www.wenet.net) > seems to be using BSDI machines since when you call, it will just show the > standard unix login prompt and you had to add -ppp to do ppp. Is FreeBSD > capable of acting as a terminal server? Thanks for any advice anyone > could offer. Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 16:35:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09042 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kirk.edmweb.com (kirk.edmweb.com [204.244.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09026 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluesmoke.edmweb.com (steve@bluesmoke.edmweb.com [204.244.190.8]) by kirk.edmweb.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09566; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704102335.QAA09566@kirk.edmweb.com> To: Vincent Poy cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:33:32 PDT." Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:34:48 -0700 From: Steve Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What would be needed besides modems and the FreeBSD machine to > provide slip/ppp services in addition to shell access? Phone lines and an upstream provider. Probably a multi-port serial card as well, if your friend wants more than just a handful of modems. FreeBSD has all of the necessary software needed to function as a terminal server. Hardware and connectivity are the only other tech issues to worry about. Business issues (marketing, accounting, etc) are also important. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 17:09:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12779 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12772 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA22597; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:10:30 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022530; Fri Apr 11 00:10:06 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970410190305.00cab3a4@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:03:06 -0500 To: Chris Bura From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:07 AM 4/10/97 -0700, Chris Bura wrote: >We're trying to decide between Sprint or MCI for our T1 service. >They both have the good sales pitches. > > Sprint says they're all IP and MCI mixes frame with IP. > MCI says they have 40% of the internet traffic. Not suprizing with the pipes they have. >As far as marketing goes, I think MCI is more dominant. > >This is a huge binding decision so we'd really like to do it right. > >Anybody have any non-biased information for us? I'd say MCI, but their bureaucracy can get tedious. If you do go with MCI, make sure that have a paper contract. MCI was very reliable for the year that we had a T1 with excellent response times to just about anywhere. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 17:23:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13428 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13422 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.10) id KAA16663; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:23:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:23:24 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199704110023.KAA16663@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM Subject: Re: Some advice needed. Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don't buy just any hardware. a 486 will work (dx66), but don't cheat on the serial card. Go for a cyclades (http://www.cyclades.com) and get the current special deal on the Ye (YeP is ok but not neccessary). Use apache and squid and get good advice on your modems - don't assume fastest and big brand is best - talk to other ISPs and get some info sheets. Use a single brand if you can and what you want is one that won't have cooling problems (eg zentech/KTX hate hot weather) and can stand on their side or are made as towers. You're looking for ones which can talk to as wide a variety of other modems reliably as possible. Of course you can lash out and buy an ascend or something instead. Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 18:17:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16943 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16935 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA01542; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970410210238.00b5d100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:02:38 -0400 To: Vincent Poy , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:33 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >Hi everyone, > > One of my friends is thinking about starting a FreeBSD based ISP >with pops in several different locations. What would be needed besides >modems and the FreeBSD machine to provide slip/ppp services in addition to >shell access? I noticed that Whole Earth Network (http://www.wenet.net) >seems to be using BSDI machines since when you call, it will just show the >standard unix login prompt and you had to add -ppp to do ppp. Is FreeBSD >capable of acting as a terminal server? Thanks for any advice anyone >could offer. If you are looking to have more than 24 lines or so, go with a dedicated terminal server. Have a look at something like the Livingston PortMaster 3. (www.livingston.com).. Dont bother going with an analog system-- get a PRI right from the start. Users will want dialup 56K eventually, and if you want to do that, you will need a totally digital solution on your end in order to support it.. Also, this way, you can support a mix of dialup analog and dialup ISDN right away.... Even if this is not the case, its MUCH easier to administer a dedicated terminal server than a UNIX box with serial cards. Use the UNIX box for things like shell access, DNS, mail httpd etc... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 19:21:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20529 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pernet.net (mail.pernet.net [205.229.0.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20522 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.pernet.net (office.pernet.net [205.229.0.2]) by mail.pernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA09201; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:28:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:18:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Neal Reply-To: neal@pernet.net To: Mike Tancsa cc: Vincent Poy , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970410210238.00b5d100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > If you are looking to have more than 24 lines or so, go with a dedicated > terminal server. Have a look at something like the Livingston PortMaster > 3. (www.livingston.com).. Dont bother going with an analog system-- get a > PRI right from the start. Users will want dialup 56K eventually, and if > you want to do that, you will need a totally digital solution on your end > in order to support it.. Also, this way, you can support a mix of dialup > analog and dialup ISDN right away.... Even if this is not the case, its > MUCH easier to administer a dedicated terminal server than a UNIX box with > serial cards. Use the UNIX box for things like shell access, DNS, mail > httpd etc... > > ---Mike Of course, the startup cost of a dedicated box can sometimes be too much when starting out. I've seen a more graduated system, where you can start with BSD boxes as term servs and move up to dedicated boxes when you have the funds. I just recently moved 3 terminal servers back to irc/mail/??? two weeks ago. It's worked out relatively well(just gotta sell off the cyclades now). -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 19:22:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20587 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20576 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04196; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:22:24 -0700 (PDT) To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Vincent Poy , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:29:19 +1000." Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:22:24 -0700 Message-ID: <4193.860725344@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz Did we never integrate this functionality into the system by default? It seems a logical thing to do. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 19:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21819 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21812 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA28626; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:55:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:55:47 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Vincent Poy , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <4193.860725344@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz > > Did we never integrate this functionality into the system by default? > It seems a logical thing to do. It is integrated but undocumented. I have on my do-list to make a package which will add a few extra files and docs for people on 2.1.7, 2.2, and to commit some changes to -current, particularly related to my recent e-mail to Paul Traina. Should have a package by Monday, hopefully. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 20:34:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22964 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22959 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13089; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > One of my friends is thinking about starting a FreeBSD based ISP > > with pops in several different locations. What would be needed besides > > modems and the FreeBSD machine to provide slip/ppp services in addition to > > shell access? I noticed that Whole Earth Network (http://www.wenet.net) > > seems to be using BSDI machines since when you call, it will just show the > > standard unix login prompt and you had to add -ppp to do ppp. Is FreeBSD > > capable of acting as a terminal server? Thanks for any advice anyone > > could offer. > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz Thanks, what I was wondering is what did they do for the POP locations since it would be a different Unix box each time on the remote end, did they actually just have the local pop number forward to another telephone number? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 20:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23052 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23047 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13102; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Steve cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <199704102335.QAA09566@kirk.edmweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Steve wrote: > > What would be needed besides modems and the FreeBSD machine to > > provide slip/ppp services in addition to shell access? > > Phone lines and an upstream provider. Probably a multi-port serial card > as well, if your friend wants more than just a handful of modems. I already know about the phone lines part and an upstream provider since the upstream provider is a must. Is there anyway for the remote pop to just have numbers that forward to another number or does a terminal server physically have to be there? > FreeBSD has all of the necessary software needed to function as a > terminal server. Hardware and connectivity are the only other tech > issues to worry about. Business issues (marketing, accounting, etc) are > also important. What is the maximum modems a multi-port serial card can handle and how many can you put into a box? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 20:42:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23213 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23207 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13122; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Peter Hawkins cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <199704110023.KAA16663@rhiannon.clari.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Peter Hawkins wrote: > Don't buy just any hardware. a 486 will work (dx66), but don't cheat on > the serial card. Go for a cyclades (http://www.cyclades.com) and get > the current special deal on the Ye (YeP is ok but not neccessary). We're probably going to start out with atleast a P5-90 or maybe a 486 dx266 but how much ram is the minimum and how much do the Cyclades cards cost? > Use apache and squid and get good advice on your modems - don't assume > fastest and big brand is best - talk to other ISPs and get some info > sheets. Use a single brand if you can and what you want is one that > won't have cooling problems (eg zentech/KTX hate hot weather) and can > stand on their side or are made as towers. You're looking for ones which > can talk to as wide a variety of other modems reliably as possible. Hmm, isn't apache only for httpd? We'll have that on the actual server machine at the main location anyways. I guess USRobotics or now 3Com would be the better modems to get unless there is something else that is reliable and offer a high level of compatability. > Of course you can lash out and buy an ascend or something instead. Or even a Livingston Portmaster but this will cost a fortune. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 20:57:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23879 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23874 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13200; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mike Tancsa cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970410210238.00b5d100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > If you are looking to have more than 24 lines or so, go with a dedicated > terminal server. Have a look at something like the Livingston PortMaster > 3. (www.livingston.com).. Dont bother going with an analog system-- get a > PRI right from the start. Users will want dialup 56K eventually, and if > you want to do that, you will need a totally digital solution on your end > in order to support it.. Also, this way, you can support a mix of dialup > analog and dialup ISDN right away.... Even if this is not the case, its > MUCH easier to administer a dedicated terminal server than a UNIX box with > serial cards. Use the UNIX box for things like shell access, DNS, mail > httpd etc... Hmmm, the only problem I see with this is that the startup costs would be a lot higher if he went with a Livingston Portsmaster or even a Xylogics Annex-3 terminal server. But the unix box will only be a terminal server and also a router using a ET Serial card and probably will have a telnet program just so people can use their shell account on another box without using ppp. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 21:22:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24676 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24671 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13328; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Neal cc: Mike Tancsa , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > Of course, the startup cost of a dedicated box can sometimes be too much > when starting out. Yep, startup costs are a thing to worry about. > I've seen a more graduated system, where you can start with BSD boxes as > term servs and move up to dedicated boxes when you have the funds. I just > recently moved 3 terminal servers back to irc/mail/??? two weeks ago. > It's worked out relatively well(just gotta sell off the cyclades now). Speaking about terminal servers, is there anyway to restrict it to just allow ppp and telnet? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 21:35:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25397 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25390 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA29801; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:40:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:40:56 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Vincent Poy cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz > > Thanks, what I was wondering is what did they do for the POP > locations since it would be a different Unix box each time on the remote > end, did they actually just have the local pop number forward to another > telephone number? You could do it like that, I guess, or install multiple boxes. I only have one POP. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 21:41:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25806 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25800 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA01736; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411002810.00a6f100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:28:10 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Some advice needed. Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970410210238.00b5d100@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:56 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > Hmmm, the only problem I see with this is that the startup costs >would be a lot higher if he went with a Livingston Portsmaster or even a >Xylogics Annex-3 terminal server. But the unix box will only be a >terminal server and also a router using a ET Serial card and probably will >have a telnet program just so people can use their shell account on >another box without using ppp. Price it all out... Remember, you will have to get a faster PC to handle all those connections on a serial card. The initial cost of buying all those decent quality external modems, cables, serial cards and so on can really add up. Also, there is the maintainence issue as well. External modems can hang and must be monitored. Also, if users have problems connecting, its easier to track down on a PM3 since you get connect speeds etc in the log files... You also have a lot of flexibility as to how to restrict your users.. eg.. only shell, only ppp, only email, only web and so on via user filters.... Also the cost of the telco lines. Depending on your area, 1 PRI with installation costs and monthly fees etc, _can_ be less than buying 24 analog business lines. If you aim to grow, you will eventually want to move to a terminal server.. That means essentially eating the cost of the serial card, or selling it... Check to see how easy it is to sell these things used. I dont know in your area, but in our region, a lot of our customers are asking about 56K modem support. If you go the analog route, you will be going into a dead end because in order to support either of the 56K standards (X2 of 56K.Flex), you *MUST* be totally digital on your end of things. Livingston, Cisco, Ascend, USR and now Multitech all offer PRI solution terminal servers (be careful of which Ascend you go with though)... My personal preference is the PM3 by Livingston. Remember, think where you will be in 6 months.. If at that point you need more than 24 lines, you will be sorry you started with just a serial card... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 22:20:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA27169 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27104; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA10606; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:36:30 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199704110536.FAA10606@veda.is> Subject: longer usernames To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:36:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a definitive list of what versions of which files are needed to enable >8 char usernames for 2.2.1? Is this going into 2.2.5? Note this is directed to the isp and current lists, so please modify Cc: accordingly in reply. -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:03:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28630 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.cs.hku.hk (ns.cs.hku.hk [147.8.178.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28621 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from champion (champion.cs.hku.hk) by ns.cs.hku.hk with SMTP id AA25475 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ) Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:01:30 +0800 Received: by champion (4.1/S2.0-sunos4) id AA11398; Fri, 11 Apr 97 14:00:10 HKT Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:00:10 +0800 (HKT) From: Doug Kwan ~{9XUq5B~} To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Stop relaying spam mail. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Is there any way to stop relay spam mails? The mail host of the ISP I am running becomes a favourite relay for a jerk. That guy sends thousands of mails from another site and uses our mail host as a relay. Worse, that guy uses fake addresses so that all flames and complaints go to our postmaster. My strategy for this is to block all mail from the site from which the mails originates, sent a complaining mail to his/her postermaster and *hope* the system adminstrator to do something about that. Is there any better way to deal with such situation? -Doug Kwan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:06:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28746 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28741 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13658; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > Thanks, what I was wondering is what did they do for the POP > > locations since it would be a different Unix box each time on the remote > > end, did they actually just have the local pop number forward to another > > telephone number? > > You could do it like that, I guess, or install multiple boxes. I only > have one POP. Hmmm, what is actually required on the POP since his POP is supposed to only provide shell access on the main computer at the NOC, ppp server for their dial up tcp/ip connection. He'll probably put a ET Serial card in to make the machine a router or make another machine a router and also resell some lines. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:17:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29121 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29116 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13715; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mike Tancsa cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411002810.00a6f100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > Hmmm, the only problem I see with this is that the startup costs > >would be a lot higher if he went with a Livingston Portsmaster or even a > >Xylogics Annex-3 terminal server. But the unix box will only be a > >terminal server and also a router using a ET Serial card and probably will > >have a telnet program just so people can use their shell account on > >another box without using ppp. > > Price it all out... Remember, you will have to get a faster PC to handle > all those connections on a serial card. The initial cost of buying all > those decent quality external modems, cables, serial cards and so on can > really add up. Also, there is the maintainence issue as well. External > modems can hang and must be monitored. Also, if users have problems > connecting, its easier to track down on a PM3 since you get connect speeds > etc in the log files... You also have a lot of flexibility as to how to Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? I mean if there was a problem, I should be able to turn the modems speaker on and just listen to see if the modems are in fact connecting or not or I can just try dialing in using a modem myself. > restrict your users.. eg.. only shell, only ppp, only email, only web and > so on via user filters.... Also the cost of the telco lines. Depending on > your area, 1 PRI with installation costs and monthly fees etc, _can_ be > less than buying 24 analog business lines. If you aim to grow, you will > eventually want to move to a terminal server.. That means essentially > eating the cost of the serial card, or selling it... Check to see how easy > it is to sell these things used. I dont know in your area, but in our > region, a lot of our customers are asking about 56K modem support. If you > go the analog route, you will be going into a dead end because in order to > support either of the 56K standards (X2 of 56K.Flex), you *MUST* be totally > digital on your end of things. Livingston, Cisco, Ascend, USR and now > Multitech all offer PRI solution terminal servers (be careful of which > Ascend you go with though)... My personal preference is the PM3 by > Livingston. Remember, think where you will be in 6 months.. If at that > point you need more than 24 lines, you will be sorry you started with just > a serial card... As for users, what I want to do is similar to what wenet.net does with their setup which I don't know what it is. All I know is that when it connects, I get the Unix login prompt on the screen but it's the main server at the NOC and not at the pop and then they can enter just the login name for shell access or enter their login-ppp and get ppp. As for phone lines, what speed is a PRI exactly? Since the machine will most likely have a T1 or 56k line going there since there are customers who need dedicated services so probably a T1. For the terminal servers, isn't Annex 3 any good anymore or do they cost a lot more than the Livingston's and the others you have mentioned? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:25:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29385 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.dnsserver.com (qmailr@[208.14.0.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29380 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 1997 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from www8.clever.net (root@206.31.79.1) by smtp.clever.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 1997 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from high.voltage.net (arkylady@[208.15.104.34]) by www8.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA00672; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970411011715.0069499c@web-trends.com> X-Sender: arkysaw@web-trends.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:17:17 -0500 To: Vincent Poy From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Some advice needed. Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:34 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Thanks, what I was wondering is what did they do for the POP >locations since it would be a different Unix box each time on the remote >end, did they actually just have the local pop number forward to another >telephone number? You can do it either way. My phone company (SouthWestern Bell in Arkansas) has a service called TeleBranch. The way it works is I can have a phone# anywhere in SWB service area that is forwarded to my phone number here for $16/mo. But that would also incur a per/minute charge. However, they have another service that (again it has to be in a certain area, but it does cover 80% of Arkansas) for $15/mo I can have unlimited long distance calling from the remote# to my local#. So that would mean $31/mo for each line, then also I would have to be sure I had enough lines/modems on my end to accomodate them. We havent decided yet whether this solution would be worth it or not, but it is an option when we get ready. You would just need to contact your phone company to see if they have such a service, and good luck, I had a heckuva time finding a service rep who had any idea what I was talking about :) Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00649 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00644 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id CAA01941; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411023357.00b84100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:33:57 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Some advice needed. Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970411002810.00a6f100@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:17 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? I >mean if there was a problem, I should be able to turn the modems speaker >on and just listen to see if the modems are in fact connecting or not or I >can just try dialing in using a modem myself. Remember, people are dialing in 24hrs a day... Having people always monitoring the modems will cost you money...Connecting? At what speed though... Modems dont always fail 100%. They can start to become problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. Once you have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and again will cost you money... You want something that is easy to manage. Think about it. If your staff member has to spend 2hrs trying to find a bad modem, that modem just cost you his/her hourly wage. You have to figure stuff like this into your operating costs. Digital modems are far easier to manage, which translates to a lower operating cost... > > As for users, what I want to do is similar to what wenet.net does >with their setup which I don't know what it is. I have no idea who wenet.net is... >All I know is that when >it connects, I get the Unix login prompt on the screen but it's the main >server at the NOC and not at the pop and then they can enter just the >login name for shell access or enter their login-ppp and get ppp. This is easy with a terminal server setup. Also, you want to be able to do PAP/CHAP so that your users dont have to use login scripts. > As for phone lines, what speed is a PRI exactly? A PRI is a type of ISDN service that offers 23 B channels at 64 kbs and one D channel at 64 kbs..You can sort of think of it as a bundle of 24 telephone lines basically... But they are digital so that they can carry both analog (regular modem connections) and digital (ISDN connections). Modern terminal servers do all the necessary demuxing of the line so that you basically plug in one cable from the telco into the back of your your terminal server that contains all 24 of your 'telephone' lines. You dont have a bix block of 24 phone cords like you would going into 24 analog modems. Its just a T1 that your customers dial in on. The PRI has nothing to do with your outbound net connection. You might want to read up a little on it in the ISDN FAQ. >Since the >machine will most likely have a T1 or 56k line going there since there are >customers who need dedicated services so probably a T1. For the terminal >servers, isn't Annex 3 any good anymore or do they cost a lot more than >the Livingston's and the others you have mentioned? Dont know what Annex has done recently... I thought they were bought up by one of the big players... Like I said, I like and use Livingston stuff... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 10 23:58:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01087 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01082 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13915; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Susie Ward cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970411011715.0069499c@web-trends.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Susie Ward wrote: > At 08:34 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Thanks, what I was wondering is what did they do for the POP > >locations since it would be a different Unix box each time on the remote > >end, did they actually just have the local pop number forward to another > >telephone number? > > You can do it either way. My phone company (SouthWestern Bell in Arkansas) > has a service called TeleBranch. The way it works is I can have a phone# > anywhere in SWB service area that is forwarded to my phone number here for > $16/mo. But that would also incur a per/minute charge. However, they have > another service that (again it has to be in a certain area, but it does > cover 80% of Arkansas) for $15/mo I can have unlimited long distance > calling from the remote# to my local#. So that would mean $31/mo for each > line, then also I would have to be sure I had enough lines/modems on my end > to accomodate them. We havent decided yet whether this solution would be > worth it or not, but it is an option when we get ready. Never knew that was possible but when I call Pacific Bell, what is it I should be asking for? The $31/mo isn't bad since all the remote numbers point to the number at your main location and you wouldn't need to wire leased lines to the remote location in addition to equipment. Also, the modems and lines on your side will have better use from people in different areas rather than just one specific area. > You would just need to contact your phone company to see if they have such > a service, and good luck, I had a heckuva time finding a service rep who > had any idea what I was talking about :) That's what I was worried about is the people at Ma Bell won't have a clue what I'm talking about. =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 00:05:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01384 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01379 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07882; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:03:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:03:59 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: Doug Kwan ~{9XUq5B~} cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stop relaying spam mail. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are you using sendmail? Apparently there's some documentation at http://www.sendmail.org/ Complaining to his postmaster is also a good idea, also complain to abuse as well if they've got it set up. Be polite :-) and they'll probably/maybe help you, otherwise have a look at http://www.vix.com/spam/ http://www.panix.com/e-spam.html http://kryten.eng.monash.edu.au/gspam.html I think there's even somewhere you can report unhelpful isp's to (like a blacklist) hope this helps Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au > > Is there any way to stop relay spam mails? The mail host > of the ISP I am running becomes a favourite relay for a jerk. > That guy sends thousands of mails from another site and uses > our mail host as a relay. Worse, that guy uses fake addresses > so that all flames and complaints go to our postmaster. My strategy > for this is to block all mail from the site from which the mails > originates, sent a complaining mail to his/her postermaster and > *hope* the system adminstrator to do something about that. Is > there any better way to deal with such situation? > > -Doug Kwan > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 00:11:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01577 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01572 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13975; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mike Tancsa cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411023357.00b84100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 11:17 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? I > >mean if there was a problem, I should be able to turn the modems speaker > >on and just listen to see if the modems are in fact connecting or not or I > >can just try dialing in using a modem myself. > > Remember, people are dialing in 24hrs a day... Having people always > monitoring the modems will cost you money...Connecting? At what speed > though... Modems dont always fail 100%. They can start to become > problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With > external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. Once you > have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and > again will cost you money... You want something that is easy to manage. > Think about it. If your staff member has to spend 2hrs trying to find a bad > modem, that modem just cost you his/her hourly wage. You have to figure > stuff like this into your operating costs. Digital modems are far easier > to manage, which translates to a lower operating cost... You did bring up a good point there but for the speed issue, isn't that something that has to do with the line and the modems connecting to each other in general? But what exactly are digital modems? Is this just for ISDN or for 28.8k dialup connections as well. > > As for users, what I want to do is similar to what wenet.net does > >with their setup which I don't know what it is. > > I have no idea who wenet.net is... It's this ISP that merge with a company that I tried awhile ago. > >All I know is that when > >it connects, I get the Unix login prompt on the screen but it's the main > >server at the NOC and not at the pop and then they can enter just the > >login name for shell access or enter their login-ppp and get ppp. > > This is easy with a terminal server setup. Also, you want to be able to do > PAP/CHAP so that your users dont have to use login scripts. Would this work with a FreeBSD based terminal server or do you mean a dedicated terminal server? > > As for phone lines, what speed is a PRI exactly? > > A PRI is a type of ISDN service that offers 23 B channels at 64 kbs and one > D channel at 64 kbs..You can sort of think of it as a bundle of 24 > telephone lines basically... But they are digital so that they can carry > both analog (regular modem connections) and digital (ISDN connections). > Modern terminal servers do all the necessary demuxing of the line so that > you basically plug in one cable from the telco into the back of your your > terminal server that contains all 24 of your 'telephone' lines. You dont > have a bix block of 24 phone cords like you would going into 24 analog > modems. Its just a T1 that your customers dial in on. The PRI has nothing > to do with your outbound net connection. You might want to read up a little > on it in the ISDN FAQ. Hmmm, okay so that line will handle analog connections slower than 64/56kbps as well? I think I know what you mean now so what happens is that the line itself will go to the terminal server and select a modem that is free for the user to dial in to. > >Since the > >machine will most likely have a T1 or 56k line going there since there are > >customers who need dedicated services so probably a T1. For the terminal > >servers, isn't Annex 3 any good anymore or do they cost a lot more than > >the Livingston's and the others you have mentioned? > > Dont know what Annex has done recently... I thought they were bought up by > one of the big players... Like I said, I like and use Livingston stuff... I'm not sure if they were bought or not but it seems like they were the most widely used terminal server at Universities. other places used Cisco's. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 00:25:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02073 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chunga.apana.org.au (chunga.kt.apana.org.au [202.12.89.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02060 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from davo@localhost) by chunga.apana.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA20657 for isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:54:48 +0930 (CST) From: Dave Edwards Message-Id: <199704110724.QAA20657@chunga.apana.org.au> Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Apr 11, 97 12:55:47 pm" To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:54:47 +0930 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 'Daniel O'Callaghan scribbled..' > > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > > > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > > > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz > > > > Did we never integrate this functionality into the system by default? > > It seems a logical thing to do. > > It is integrated but undocumented. I have on my do-list to make a package > which will add a few extra files and docs for people on 2.1.7, 2.2, and to > commit some changes to -current, particularly related to my recent e-mail > to Paul Traina. Should have a package by Monday, hopefully. The mgetty port should probably define AUTO_PPP by default also. I'm sure it used to. I just wish I hadn't moved to 2.2.1 at the same time as re-installing mgetty.. ciao dave -- Dave Edwards davo@chunga.kt.apana.org.au || davo@sa.apana.org.au Adelaide, South Australia ---- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 01:53:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA05070 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05064 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA17134 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:52:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20273 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:47:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411023357.00b84100@sentex.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? It's simpler than that. Just keep stats on modem usage. Then check your charts each day and it will be quite obvious if a line is not used at all or has a much shorter average call time (i.e. it's disconnecting people). Once you see what looks like a problem modem, you can test it by dialing into that line's real number. > problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With > external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. Sure you do. There are lots of ISP's out there with hundreds of external modems. They manage to track them quite well. > Once you > have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and > again will cost you money... Inefficiency will cost you money. But creative thinking will often save you more than anything else. > Dont know what Annex has done recently... I thought they were bought up by > one of the big players... Like I said, I like and use Livingston stuff... If you aren't in a hurry to buy new equipment, the best bet would be to head of to ISPCON in San Francisco, the end of August, and check out all the equipment vendors that will be there in full force. http://www.ispcon.com Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 02:19:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06329 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.dnsserver.com (qmailr@[208.14.0.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA06324 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 1997 09:10:13 -0000 Received: from www8.clever.net (root@206.31.79.1) by smtp.clever.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 1997 09:10:13 -0000 Received: from high.voltage.net ([208.15.104.34]) by www8.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA24237 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970411041702.00698ce0@web-trends.com> X-Sender: arkysaw@web-trends.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:17:03 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Sportster Init String Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could some of you please show me the init strings you are using for your Sportster 28.8/33.6 modems? I've almost got my dialups working, but I think a large part of my problem is not having an init string that the modems really like. I used the one recommended at usr.com on the unix setup page, but that didnt work, used another that a friend sent and that got rid of the garbage recieved error, but I still can only connect like 1 out of 6 times, so that really bites :) I'm "hoping" this where my problem lies, if anyone has any other suggestions as to what might make the connections so unreliable, I'm open for suggestions (FreeBSD 2.2.1, Cyclades Yo board). I'm going to pick up a new monitor tomorrow too and I'm planning on grabbing a different brand of modem to try just to see if maybe that helps, any suggestions on that? TIA Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 02:28:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06598 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06593 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA14733; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Dillon cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? > > It's simpler than that. Just keep stats on modem usage. Then check your > charts each day and it will be quite obvious if a line is not used at all > or has a much shorter average call time (i.e. it's disconnecting people). > Once you see what looks like a problem modem, you can test it by dialing > into that line's real number. What would happen if the modems were never that busy all the time that it even made it to that modem because the lines before it are still free? > > problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With > > external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. > > Sure you do. There are lots of ISP's out there with hundreds of external > modems. They manage to track them quite well. Probably. > > Once you > > have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and > > again will cost you money... > > Inefficiency will cost you money. But creative thinking will often save > you more than anything else. This is the case as with anything. > > Dont know what Annex has done recently... I thought they were bought up by > > one of the big players... Like I said, I like and use Livingston stuff... > > If you aren't in a hurry to buy new equipment, the best bet would be to > head of to ISPCON in San Francisco, the end of August, and check out all > the equipment vendors that will be there in full force. > > http://www.ispcon.com Does the ISPCON cost anything? Anyone know anything about the ISP Conference in San Jose or San Mateo this weekend? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 03:21:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA09123 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09114 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA29249; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970411032131.61820@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:21:31 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Vincent Poy Cc: Steve , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. References: <199704102335.QAA09566@kirk.edmweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Vincent Poy on Thu, Apr 10, 1997 at 08:36:58PM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vincent Poy scribbled this message on Apr 10: > I already know about the phone lines part and an upstream provider > since the upstream provider is a must. Is there anyway for the remote > pop to just have numbers that forward to another number or does a terminal > server physically have to be there? actually.. talk to the telco.. I have heard of phone lines from out of local calling area being delievered locally over a T1 line... of course this will cost more than the actually phone lines.. but it saves the cost of office space and location... > > FreeBSD has all of the necessary software needed to function as a > > terminal server. Hardware and connectivity are the only other tech > > issues to worry about. Business issues (marketing, accounting, etc) are > > also important. > > What is the maximum modems a multi-port serial card can handle and > how many can you put into a box? well there are many different brands... Comtrol, Stallion, Cyclades, and RISCom all make boards that have drivers for FreeBSD... Stallion has a PCI card supporting 64 ports off one card... with something like this smart board it's more or of a question of how much cpu power you put under the hood on the number of ports you can support... I run a mini terminal server (it's even diskless) and it's a 486/33dx w/ a couple AST compatible boards... works great... I've hacked mgetty to pieces to support various functions... but as Danny said.. the default getty now supports autoppp detection... hope it goes well... I've thought about starting a local isp too... one that actually provides good service to the more enlighted *grin*... but startup capital is my problem... hope it goes well for your friend... ttyll -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 03:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA10567 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niflheim.rutgers.edu (niflheim.rutgers.edu [165.230.116.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10562 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muralir@localhost) by niflheim.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA27828 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:50:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:50:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Murali Rangarajan To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: trouble with xfree Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I installed freebsd 2.2.1 yesterday, and when i tried to run X, i got the following error(i am including the transcript of the entrire session) Can somebody tell me what the problem is? I have a 2 button mouse and i configured it to be a bus mouse... ----------- XFree86 Version 3.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) Release Date: Oct 26 1996 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.2.0 Configured drivers: S3: accelerated server for S3 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) newmmio, mmio_928, s3_generic Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (using VT number 4) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: disabled (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings) (**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) S3: Graphics device ID: "Trio 64+" (**) S3: Monitor ID: "svga" (--) S3: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 35.16 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 35.52 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 36.46 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 48.36 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "320x240" needs hsync freq of 39.38 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 35.16 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 35.16 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 37.80 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 39.56 kHz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 48.00 kHz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" (--) S3: PCI: Trio32/64 rev 0, Linear FB @ 0xf8000000 (--) S3: card type: PCI (--) S3: chipset: Trio64 rev. 201 (--) S3: chipset driver: mmio_928 (--) S3: videoram: 1024k (--) S3: Ramdac type: s3_trio64 (--) S3: Ramdac speed: 135 (--) S3: Using Trio32/64 programmable clock (MCLK 59.957 MHz) (--) S3: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz (**) S3: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.175 (--) S3: There is no mode definition named "800x600" (--) S3: Removing mode "800x600" from list of valid modes. (--) S3: There is no mode definition named "1024x768" (--) S3: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes. (--) S3: Using 6 bits per RGB value (--) S3: Virtual resolution set to 640x480 (--) S3: Local bus LAW is 0xF8000000 (--) S3: Using a banksize of 1024k, line width of 640 (--) S3: Using a single 64x64 area at (576,482) for expanding pixmaps (--) S3: Using 8 planes of 640x1092 at (0,546) aligned 8 as font cache MIT-SHM extension disabled due to lack of kernel support PEX extension module not loaded XIE extension module not loaded Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse (Device not configured) ------------------- Thanks Murali From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 04:40:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA12388 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA12382 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09761; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:37:22 +0100 Message-ID: <334E2271.59E2B600@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:37:22 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. References: <4193.860725344@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz > > Did we never integrate this functionality into the system by default? > It seems a logical thing to do. > > Jordan I've been thinking about this recently (especially considering the pigs ear of getting win95 to connect with scripting) and I would like a getty that supports auto-ppp, however for my setup the pppd will also have to do radius authentication, instead of PAP or CHAP. Any thoughts on that ? regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 04:54:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA12914 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluewin.ch (bw4zhb.bluewin.ch [195.186.1.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA12906 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pentium by bluewin.ch (8.7.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20505; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:54:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by pentium with Microsoft Mail id <01BC467F.B831E5C0@pentium>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:53:22 +0200 Message-ID: <01BC467F.B831E5C0@pentium> From: Thomas von Siebenthal To: "'Susie Ward'" Cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: AW: Sportster Init String Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:51:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id EAA12909 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! At the ISP I was working before we had some problems with USR Sportster Modems (V.34 only) on a Linux Terminal Server running getty. To my answer at that time I got the following message that brought the whole thing into a working state ... [quote starts] >We saw, in the serial HOWTO, that you have cofiguration files for USR >Sportster Modems. We are also trying to get them working, but from time to >time the don't take the line and stay with the RS, CS lights on. If I do a >"ps -aux" I can see that the uugetty process is still in the waiting mode >and if I try to do a "cu" on the line, it told me that it is busy. >If I kill the uugetty process, the modem is reseted correctly and I can use >it again normaly. Hi Thomas and helpdesk. I think you need to set S13=1, so that the modem resets correctly after a disconnection. I had this problem for a long time. Here is a setup that was reported to work: USRobotics Sportster 28800 V.34 Fax Settings... B0 E1 F1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 BAUD=115200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 DIAL=PULSE ON HOOK &A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &Y1 S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=070 S12=050 S13=001 ^^^^^^^ S14=000 S15=000 S16=000 S17=000 S18=000 S19=000 S20=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S24=000 S25=005 S26=000 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S30=000 S31=000 S32=000 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000 S36=014 S37=000 S38=000 S39=000 S40=000 S41=000 S42=000 S43=200 S44=015 S45=000 S46=000 S47=000 S48=000 S49=000 S50=000 S51=000 S52=000 S53=000 S54=096 S55=000 S56=000 S57=000 Good Luck, Greg -- Greg Hankins (greg.hankins@cc.gatech.edu) | Georgia Institute of Technology Computing and Networking Services | College of Computing, room 213 +1 404 894 6609 | Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Greg Hankins finger gregh@cc.gatech.edu for PGP key [quote ended] So finnaly we used the following Init String: at&f1 at&s0=2 atS13=1 at&w cu Thomas -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Susie Ward [SMTP:webmaster@web-trends.com] Gesendet am: Freitag, 11. April 1997 11:17 An: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Betreff: Sportster Init String Could some of you please show me the init strings you are using for your Sportster 28.8/33.6 modems? I've almost got my dialups working, but I think a large part of my problem is not having an init string that the modems really like. I used the one recommended at usr.com on the unix setup page, but that didnt work, used another that a friend sent and that got rid of the garbage recieved error, but I still can only connect like 1 out of 6 times, so that really bites :) I'm "hoping" this where my problem lies, if anyone has any other suggestions as to what might make the connections so unreliable, I'm open for suggestions (FreeBSD 2.2.1, Cyclades Yo board). I'm going to pick up a new monitor tomorrow too and I'm planning on grabbing a different brand of modem to try just to see if maybe that helps, any suggestions on that? TIA Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 05:13:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14293 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msn2.globaldialog.com (smtp.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14287 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from br05 (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn2.globaldialog.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA14983 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:12:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:12:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704111212.HAA14983@msn2.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD ISP list From: Jack Wenger Subject: Setting Up Web Hosting Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably with a 56K or 64k line to start. For equipment, I think I need the following: CSU/DSU Router Hub I have a P-133 running 2.1.6 with 32mb ram, and not enough HD (1.6 gb IDE). Also running Apache as my web-server. Will be getting 2-2gb SCSI HD's for this box. I'm looking for suggestions for the connection end of things, hardware and software. How hard is it to get a class C set of IP numbers? Can I get these directly from the Internic? Or do I have to get them from my upstream provider? Thanx! |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | 608-233-8571 | `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 05:45:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15865 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15857 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12756; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:49:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:49:34 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Jack Wenger cc: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <199704111212.HAA14983@msn2.globaldialog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jack Wenger wrote: > I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably > with a 56K or 64k line to start. Go for a line you can upgrade to T1 easily (you might need it), 56/64K might not be easily upgradeable, depends on the interface they supply, check first it's cheaper later. (If you're in europe look at E1 lines) > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > CSU/DSU We got a RISCOM WANic for this, nice board, plugs straight in and works a treat, don't get the ISA version, it just didn't work well for us. > Router Run gated/routed on your machine with the WANic and put a netcard on it attach to hub an webserver. It's easy. > Hub If possible get a switch instead, much better when you have lots of people attached to it, we couldn't afford one, and have a couple of ACCTON etherhub 16s+ boxes, which flash nicely when you turn them on. There's not much to hubs other than flashing really. > > I have a P-133 running 2.1.6 with 32mb ram, and not enough HD (1.6 gb IDE). > Also running Apache as my web-server. Will be getting 2-2gb SCSI HD's for > this box. Our router is a P133 running 3.0-970209-SNAP, runs like a dream with the WANic card and an Intel EtherExpress (don't get one though) get a DEC 21x40A/C based card or whatever if you can. > > I'm looking for suggestions for the connection end of things, hardware and > software. Software is easy, just use FreeBSD, I think 2.2 might support what I just mentioned okay, but 3.0-970209-SNAP is unbeleivably stable (even in out production environment). > > How hard is it to get a class C set of IP numbers? Can I get these directly > from the Internic? Or do I have to get them from my upstream provider? If you are not becoming a top level supplier then your ISP will supply these for you, if you are becoming a top level supplier then good luck. You'll need to fill in a bunch of forms, just do it right or they just say no go away and you have to start again. If you go for a line that's easily upgradeable you should get your ISP to throw in a Class C for no problem, just make sure you have a beleivable addressing plan. -- Steve Roome Broom Cupboard Stockist/Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 05:55:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16364 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16357 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08122; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Doug Kwan ~{9XUq5B~} cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stop relaying spam mail. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The newest sendmail, I think, has a way to block relays. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Doug Kwan ~{9XUq5B~} wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there any way to stop relay spam mails? The mail host > of the ISP I am running becomes a favourite relay for a jerk. > That guy sends thousands of mails from another site and uses > our mail host as a relay. Worse, that guy uses fake addresses > so that all flames and complaints go to our postmaster. My strategy > for this is to block all mail from the site from which the mails > originates, sent a complaining mail to his/her postermaster and > *hope* the system adminstrator to do something about that. Is > there any better way to deal with such situation? > > -Doug Kwan > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 05:58:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16569 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16564 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from louis.ourway.com (async251-32.async.duke.edu [152.3.251.32]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.4/Duke-4.2) with SMTP id IAA25952; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970411125055.006dd910@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:50:55 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: Re: Stop relaying spam mail. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There are a number of newsgroups related to net abuse. They are classified as: news.admin.net-abuse..... You might want to have a look at the news.admin.net-abuse.email group. You can post what is going on there and should get some help. Cheers Charlie Reese At 05:03 PM 4/11/97 +1000, you wrote: >Are you using sendmail? >Apparently there's some documentation at >http://www.sendmail.org/ > >Complaining to his postmaster is also a good idea, also complain to abuse >as well if they've got it set up. Be polite :-) and they'll probably/maybe >help you, otherwise have a look at > >http://www.vix.com/spam/ >http://www.panix.com/e-spam.html >http://kryten.eng.monash.edu.au/gspam.html > >I think there's even somewhere you can report unhelpful isp's to (like a >blacklist) > >hope this helps >Andrew Perry >andrew@shoal.net.au > > > >> Is there any way to stop relay spam mails? The mail host >> of the ISP I am running becomes a favourite relay for a jerk. >> That guy sends thousands of mails from another site and uses >> our mail host as a relay. Worse, that guy uses fake addresses >> so that all flames and complaints go to our postmaster. My strategy >> for this is to block all mail from the site from which the mails >> originates, sent a complaining mail to his/her postermaster and >> *hope* the system adminstrator to do something about that. Is >> there any better way to deal with such situation? >> >> -Doug Kwan >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 06:14:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17493 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA17481 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08303; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Jack Wenger cc: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <199704111212.HAA14983@msn2.globaldialog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jack Wenger wrote: > I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably > with a 56K or 64k line to start. > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > CSU/DSU > Router > Hub If you might expand - yes - but you can start out with the freebsd box being all of the above. > > I have a P-133 running 2.1.6 with 32mb ram, and not enough HD (1.6 gb IDE). > Also running Apache as my web-server. Will be getting 2-2gb SCSI HD's for > this box. Yes - DONT trust IDE- I been burned doing that. > > I'm looking for suggestions for the connection end of things, hardware and > software. > > How hard is it to get a class C set of IP numbers? Can I get these directly > from the Internic? Or do I have to get them from my upstream provider? You get them from the upstream - the difficulty depends on the provider - they give you a hard time, go someplace else with your business. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 06:31:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA18339 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18330 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA03915; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Jack Wenger cc: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <199704111212.HAA14983@msn2.globaldialog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably > with a 56K or 64k line to start. > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > CSU/DSU > Router > Hub If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K frac T1 to start. > > How hard is it to get a class C set of IP numbers? Can I get these directly > from the Internic? Or do I have to get them from my upstream provider? > You get the IP numbers from your provider, who has to route them to you. My provider gives out blocks of numbers which depend on your need. When I ran out they gave me another set. -- Sam From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 07:43:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22295 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (root@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22289 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA14150; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:43:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199704111443.JAA14150@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: from Sam Magee at "Apr 11, 97 09:29:13 am" To: webadmin@adsight.com (Sam Magee) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:43:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sam Magee said: > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > frac T1 to start. I wouldn't say that for the router. You can get a Cisco 2501 or a 3Com NetBuilder Remote Office router that will handle both 56k/T1 quite well. Heck, if your planning on doing dialups you could even look at a some of the more advanced models of terminal servers out there. Most of them have high speed serial WAN ports now. CSU/DSU is a different story. I've really only dealt with T1s so I could be wrong. :) Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 07:59:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22869 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pernet.net (mail.pernet.net [205.229.0.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22859 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.pernet.net (office.pernet.net [205.229.0.2]) by mail.pernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA00106 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:06:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:56:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Neal Reply-To: neal@pernet.net To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411023357.00b84100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 11:17 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? I > >mean if there was a problem, I should be able to turn the modems speaker > >on and just listen to see if the modems are in fact connecting or not or I > >can just try dialing in using a modem myself. > > Remember, people are dialing in 24hrs a day... Having people always > monitoring the modems will cost you money...Connecting? At what speed > though... Modems dont always fail 100%. They can start to become > problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With > external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. Once you Err, last(1)? When we had FreeBSD TS's, we had no problem figuring out what modems were being problematic. > have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and This I'll give you. That's why we moved to an ISDN box. [snip] > stuff like this into your operating costs. Digital modems are far easier > to manage, which translates to a lower operating cost... The only problem w/digital modems is that sometimes they don't work quite right with other modems. I know there is dicussion about PM3's and Zooms. We had some issues with our ascends also. My understanding is that both vendors have cleared up the problems to some degree, and we haven't had any problems for some time(just so I don't sound whiny). > This is easy with a terminal server setup. Also, you want to be able to do > PAP/CHAP so that your users dont have to use login scripts. Oddly enough, our BSD boxes did this also. The only thing missing was Radius authentication. > > > As for phone lines, what speed is a PRI exactly? > > A PRI is a type of ISDN service that offers 23 B channels at 64 kbs and one > D channel at 64 kbs..You can sort of think of it as a bundle of 24 Er, 23 lines at 64K, 24 at 56K with inband signalling. > telephone lines basically... But they are digital so that they can carry > both analog (regular modem connections) and digital (ISDN connections). Actually, they carry ONLY digital. An analog call comes in as a 64K stream of PCM that the machine has to decode. > Modern terminal servers do all the necessary demuxing of the line so that > you basically plug in one cable from the telco into the back of your your > terminal server that contains all 24 of your 'telephone' lines. You dont > have a bix block of 24 phone cords like you would going into 24 analog > modems. Its just a T1 that your customers dial in on. The PRI has nothing This was exactly why we switched over. We DID find that around 80 lines or so your cost/benefit of using BSD goes down enough to get an ISDN product(and of course 56K is a good motivator). The only problem with PRI is making sure your equipment and the phone company agree. That took two weeks(plus 1 month installation from the CO). But since then we've had no line related problems. > >Since the > >machine will most likely have a T1 or 56k line going there since there are > >customers who need dedicated services so probably a T1. For the terminal > >servers, isn't Annex 3 any good anymore or do they cost a lot more than > >the Livingston's and the others you have mentioned? My general impression of Annex has been a screamed NO. But bear in mind that's just an impression. Now, a couple little thoughts just from me: 1:If you're strapped for cash, don't even try to start. You need to be able to count on anywhere from $100,000-300,000 to run. 2:As odd as this sound, make friends with the phone company. We get ISDN B channels for $13/month. Do you think they would have "found" this tariff if I was pissed at them? 3:Decide what you want to do beforehand. If you WANT to be a big-1000 line ISP, go ahead and start with a PM3 or MAX or whatever you decide on. But if you are going to stay small and don't think you can afford $14000 for 48 analog lines, look into a BSD box or something equivilant. 4:Avoid telebit like the plague. If you talk to uunet, they'll try and sell you one. Don't buy. I speak from experience. -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 08:13:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23516 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23511 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0wFi0r-00092fC; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:13 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? To: dwoods@netgazer.com (Darrin R. Woods) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Darrin R. Woods" at Apr 10, 97 03:23:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I would have to second this opinion. We also switched from UUNet to Sprint > and have been happy ever since. I'm surprised at the dissatisfaction with UUnet... While I don't like their attitude towards reselling, their service has always been impeccable. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 08:29:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24352 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pernet.net (mail.pernet.net [205.229.0.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24344 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.pernet.net (office.pernet.net [205.229.0.2]) by mail.pernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA01046; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:36:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Neal Reply-To: neal@pernet.net To: Greg Stringfellow cc: Sam Magee , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <199704111443.JAA14150@smokey.prismnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I believe Kentrox makes a T1 CSU/DSU that will run 56K-T1. You definately DON'T have to throw out the router. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > Sam Magee said: > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > > frac T1 to start. > > I wouldn't say that for the router. You can get a Cisco 2501 or a 3Com > NetBuilder Remote Office router that will handle both 56k/T1 quite well. > Heck, if your planning on doing dialups you could even look at a some of the > more advanced models of terminal servers out there. Most of them have high > speed serial WAN ports now. > > CSU/DSU is a different story. I've really only dealt with T1s so I could be > wrong. :) > > Greg > > -- > Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. > Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts > HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 > > -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 08:44:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25177 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA25172 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.11) with ESMTP id ha104995 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:42:02 +0100 Message-ID: <334E5ADC.3E3B@tri-lakes.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:38:04 -0500 From: Chris Dillon Reply-To: cdillon@tri-lakes.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Magee CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sam Magee wrote: > > > I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably > > with a 56K or 64k line to start. > > > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > > > CSU/DSU > > Router > > Hub > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > frac T1 to start. Even if you buy a router like Cisco's lowest-end 1005 you would not have to throw it out when you got a T1. Also, some CSU/DSU's are capable of handling anything from 56k to a T1 with no trouble. Any CSU/DSU capable of handling a Frac T1 should be able to handle 64k to start with just fine. That may be the best route to go, since 256k may be a bit hard on the pocketbook to start with. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 09:21:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28269 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ziplink.net (mail.ziplink.net [199.232.240.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28252 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: scottj@ziplink.net Received: from despair.ziplink.net (despair.ziplink.net [208.196.96.220]) by mail.ziplink.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28961; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: scottj@ziplink.net Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting To: Greg Stringfellow cc: Sam Magee , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199704111443.JAA14150@smokey.prismnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sam Magee said: > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > > frac T1 to start. > > I wouldn't say that for the router. You can get a Cisco 2501 or a 3Com > NetBuilder Remote Office router that will handle both 56k/T1 quite well. > Heck, if your planning on doing dialups you could even look at a some of > the more advanced models of terminal servers out there. Most of them have > high speed serial WAN ports now. > > CSU/DSU is a different story. I've really only dealt with T1s so I could be > wrong. :) > > Greg > > -- > Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. > Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts > HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 > Eastern Research makes a combined 56/64-t1 csu/dsu. It is called the NAS-9000. Scott J ******************************* Scott E. Jones Director Network Operations Ziplink, LLC 508-551-8877 508-551-2116 800-347-2574 #62831 ******************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 09:44:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00280 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00236 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15761; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:48:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:48:33 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Greg Stringfellow cc: Sam Magee , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <199704111443.JAA14150@smokey.prismnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > Sam Magee said: > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > > frac T1 to start. > > I wouldn't say that for the router. You can get a Cisco 2501 or a 3Com > NetBuilder Remote Office router that will handle both 56k/T1 quite well. > Heck, if your planning on doing dialups you could even look at a some of the > more advanced models of terminal servers out there. Most of them have high > speed serial WAN ports now. Yes but does a Cisco 2501 have a configurable firewall as easy as ipfw or ipfilter and can it be your mailhub/www server/shell account at the same time. I faced this problem some time ago and if you have to buy a PC or some sort of UNIX box as well then why not just buy a PC that does the job of a Cisco at the same time and for half the cost ? > > CSU/DSU is a different story. I've really only dealt with T1s so I could be > wrong. :) The MicroMux SP-1RA box I have here cost about $900 and handles our E1 line fine (that's a European 2Mb/s line). Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 09:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00682 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.intrastar.net (jsuter@linus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00654; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jsuter@localhost) by linus.intrastar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05078; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: Adam David cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <199704110536.FAA10606@veda.is> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Adam David wrote: > Does anyone have a definitive list of what versions of which files are needed > to enable >8 char usernames for 2.2.1? Is this going into 2.2.5? > > Note this is directed to the isp and current lists, so please modify Cc: > accordingly in reply. It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. JS From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 09:49:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00890 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00863 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15871; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:53:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:53:45 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Chris Dillon cc: Sam Magee , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <334E5ADC.3E3B@tri-lakes.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Chris Dillon wrote: > Sam Magee wrote: > > > > > I'm considering setting up a web hosting only (no dial-up) service. Probably > > > with a 56K or 64k line to start. > > > > > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > > > > > CSU/DSU > > > Router > > > Hub > > > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > > frac T1 to start. > > Even if you buy a router like Cisco's lowest-end 1005 you would not have > to throw it out when you got a T1. Also, some CSU/DSU's are capable of > handling anything from 56k to a T1 with no trouble. Any CSU/DSU capable > of handling a Frac T1 should be able to handle 64k to start with just > fine. That may be the best route to go, since 256k may be a bit hard on > the pocketbook to start with. I think the main point is that to upgrade from 256K to T1 is cheaper than to upgrade from 56K/64k to T1 as the actual line is both presented differently and carried over a different medium. Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 09:57:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02192 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02177 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16107; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:02:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:02:46 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Jack Wenger , FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here follows an: "I'm dim and I know it" message. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > > For equipment, I think I need the following: > > > > CSU/DSU > > We got a RISCOM WANic for this, nice board, plugs straight in and works a > treat, don't get the ISA version, it just didn't work well for us. Sorry confused myself the WANic is the high speed serial card. The CSU/DSU unit is a thing from black box or somesuch, we're using a Micromux sp-1ra Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 10:34:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05026 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05017 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA02539; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411132026.00add4f0@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:20:26 -0400 To: neal@pernet.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970411023357.00b84100@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:56 AM 4/11/97 +0000, Neal wrote: >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> At 11:17 PM 4/10/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >> >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> > Hmmm, isn't there anyway to track down a external modem at all? I >> >mean if there was a problem, I should be able to turn the modems speaker >> >on and just listen to see if the modems are in fact connecting or not or I >> >can just try dialing in using a modem myself. >> >> Remember, people are dialing in 24hrs a day... Having people always >> monitoring the modems will cost you money...Connecting? At what speed >> though... Modems dont always fail 100%. They can start to become >> problematic and give lower connection speeds that the others. With >> external analog modems, you dont have any way of tracking this. Once you > >Err, last(1)? When we had FreeBSD TS's, we had no problem figuring out >what modems were being problematic. Last doesnt show you the connect speed.... Yeah, you can get averages and so on for average duration etc, but not the connect speed or amount of retrains etc... > >> have 50+ modems, snooping around them starts to become a real pain, and > >This I'll give you. That's why we moved to an ISDN box. > >[snip] >> stuff like this into your operating costs. Digital modems are far easier >> to manage, which translates to a lower operating cost... > >The only problem w/digital modems is that sometimes they don't work quite >right with other modems. This is true of any modem... We have analog PPIs, USRs and a Hayes Rackmount... each of them has problems with certain brands of modems :-( >> This is easy with a terminal server setup. Also, you want to be able to do >> PAP/CHAP so that your users dont have to use login scripts. > >Oddly enough, our BSD boxes did this also. The only thing missing was >Radius authentication. > >> >> > As for phone lines, what speed is a PRI exactly? >> >> A PRI is a type of ISDN service that offers 23 B channels at 64 kbs and one >> D channel at 64 kbs..You can sort of think of it as a bundle of 24 > >Er, 23 lines at 64K, 24 at 56K with inband signalling. Yes, correct... >> telephone lines basically... But they are digital so that they can carry >> both analog (regular modem connections) and digital (ISDN connections). > >Actually, they carry ONLY digital. An analog call comes in as a 64K >stream of PCM that the machine has to decode. Yeah, and this is what the 56K technologies depend on... There can be only one conversion from analog to digital on the virtual circut between the customer and the ISP...One of our local competitors was advertising that they were supporing X2 now... In fact, all they had were a bunch of Sporter X2 externals on the back of a terminal server! >> Modern terminal servers do all the necessary demuxing of the line so that >> you basically plug in one cable from the telco into the back of your your >> terminal server that contains all 24 of your 'telephone' lines. You dont >> have a bix block of 24 phone cords like you would going into 24 analog >> modems. Its just a T1 that your customers dial in on. The PRI has nothing > >This was exactly why we switched over. We DID find that around 80 lines >or so your cost/benefit of using BSD goes down enough to get an ISDN >product(and of course 56K is a good motivator). The only problem with PRI >is making sure your equipment and the phone company agree. That took two >weeks(plus 1 month installation from the CO). But since then we've had no >line related problems. Its not that bad now... In our area, the telco knows exactly what is needed to hook them up. When we say we want your "megalink service" they know exactly what we are talking about. Most of the TS vendors also have little FAQs on how to as for provisioning.... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 10:38:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05264 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05259 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10623; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199704111738.KAA10623@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: greg@smokey.prismnet.com, webadmin@adsight.com Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Fri Apr 11 08:25:56 1997 From: Greg Stringfellow Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: from Sam Magee at "Apr 11, 97 09:29:13 am" To: webadmin@adsight.com (Sam Magee) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:43:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Stringfellow writes: > Sam Magee said: > > If you start with a 56K line, you'll have to throw out the CSU/DSU > > and router when you upgrade to a faster line. Consider a 256K > > frac T1 to start. > > I wouldn't say that for the router. You can get a Cisco 2501 or a 3Com > NetBuilder Remote Office router that will handle both 56k/T1 quite well. Livingston OR-HS Office Router. $699 for ISPs, will go to full T-1. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:00:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06984 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06963 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA00932; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <334E7B23.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:55:47 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: Jack Wenger , FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jack Wenger wrote: > We got a RISCOM WANic for this, nice board, plugs straight in and works a > treat, don't get the ISA version, it just didn't work well for us. > > Our router is a P133 running 3.0-970209-SNAP, runs like a dream with the > WANic card and an Intel EtherExpress (don't get one though) get a DEC > 21x40A/C based card or whatever if you can. where do I getinfo on tehWANic card? do riscom have a web site? are there BSD drivers for it? etc etc. from what you say it is a csu/dsu too? From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:01:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07211 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07179; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA14581; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Jacob Suter cc: Adam David , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer usernames In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:23 CDT." Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:59:31 -0700 Message-ID: <14559.860781571@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock > 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. Uh, no. ;-) If you look at /usr/include/utmp.h, you'll see it's still 8 characters. I'm not sure if we'll go to longer usernames in the 2.2 branch because it would be a big transition headache for everyone, but it's certainly there in 3.0 (which will already probably be a transition headache for different reasons, so it doesn't really matter :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08205 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08194 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10408; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Alan Batie cc: "Darrin R. Woods" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Alan Batie wrote: > > I would have to second this opinion. We also switched from UUNet to Sprint > > and have been happy ever since. > > I'm surprised at the dissatisfaction with UUnet... While I don't like their > attitude towards reselling, their service has always been impeccable. customer service yes - but when I had them my connectivity to the net was down frequently. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:31:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09808 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09803 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16386; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: John-Mark Gurney cc: Steve , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <19970411032131.61820@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > actually.. talk to the telco.. I have heard of phone lines from out of > local calling area being delievered locally over a T1 line... of course > this will cost more than the actually phone lines.. but it saves the cost > of office space and location... Office Space and location isn't the problem since this won't cost us anything. > > > FreeBSD has all of the necessary software needed to function as a > > > terminal server. Hardware and connectivity are the only other tech > > > issues to worry about. Business issues (marketing, accounting, etc) are > > > also important. > > > > What is the maximum modems a multi-port serial card can handle and > > how many can you put into a box? > > well there are many different brands... Comtrol, Stallion, Cyclades, and > RISCom all make boards that have drivers for FreeBSD... Stallion has a PCI > card supporting 64 ports off one card... with something like this smart > board it's more or of a question of how much cpu power you put under the > hood on the number of ports you can support... I always thought RICom was more of a High Speed Serial Card to make a FreeBSD box a router or something. > I run a mini terminal server (it's even diskless) and it's a 486/33dx > w/ a couple AST compatible boards... works great... I've hacked mgetty > to pieces to support various functions... but as Danny said.. the > default getty now supports autoppp detection... That's good to know, how much did a box like hat cost you? > hope it goes well... I've thought about starting a local isp too... one > that actually provides good service to the more enlighted *grin*... but > startup capital is my problem... How much startup capital are we talking about? I can see you're in Oregon so competition shouldn't be that bad there. > hope it goes well for your friend... ttyll Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:34:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10034 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10020 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17508; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:39:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:39:10 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Julian Elischer cc: Jack Wenger , FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: Setting Up Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <334E7B23.2781E494@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Julian Elischer wrote: > Stephen Roome wrote: > > > > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jack Wenger wrote: > > > We got a RISCOM WANic for this, nice board, plugs straight in and works a > > treat, don't get the ISA version, it just didn't work well for us. > > > > > Our router is a P133 running 3.0-970209-SNAP, runs like a dream with the > > WANic card and an Intel EtherExpress (don't get one though) get a DEC > > 21x40A/C based card or whatever if you can. > > where do I getinfo on tehWANic card? SDL or some supplier, I bought direct from SDL. > do riscom have a web site? yes, they (SDL) are at: http://www.sdlcomm.com > are there BSD drivers for it? yes, man 4 sr you might need a newish release. > > etc etc. > > from what you say it is a csu/dsu too? Nope, that was me being dim, sorry about that, you need a separate one. some standard mux will do, just check it will handle high speeds. I'm using a Micromux sp-1ra which converts from G703 to X.21, you really need to know what format your cabling company will supply you with before you can buy this. If they can, get them to supply your line to you as an X.21 connector. Some folks do this and then you don't need a CSU/DSU. -- Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10210 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.nms.net ([165.247.65.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10183 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: reakins@nms.net Received: from ronsnt ([206.80.203.224]) by www.nms.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01183; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:39:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199703121839.LAA01183@www.nms.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: Charles Reese Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:28:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Windows 95 -ppp-> FreeBSD nameserver problem Reply-to: reakins@nms.net CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19970410190507.00724c50@chem.duke.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:05:07 -0400 > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > From: Charles Reese > Subject: Windows 95 -ppp-> FreeBSD nameserver problem > I have set up a FreeBSD box as a terminal server using pppd. It all seemed > to be working fine (2 days) until last night when suddenly Windows 95 > dial-in users cannot seem to get nameservice. Win 95 apps like Netscape and > WS_FTP work fine with IP numbers but not at all with names. The Win 95 > dial-in properties have the nameserver boxes filled in correctly as far as I > can tell. The nameservers are not on the same subnet as the terminal server > but are connected via an Ascend router (frame relay) to the Digex (our ISP) > nameservers. The nameservers work fine if I do a shell login to the > terminal server and telnet, ftp etc from there. Since the nameservers work fine when you use a shell account, and the 95 boxes can connect using ip addresses, the problem appears to be a routing problem between the nameserver(s) and your Win95 boxes. Check your default gateway entry in win 95 and make sure that the routes to the nameservers are correct elsewhere in your network. Ronald E. Eakins, Sr. SNE, NMS, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 11:38:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10346 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10336 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16418; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Damian Hamill cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <334E2271.59E2B600@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > that supports auto-ppp, however for my setup the pppd will also have to > do radius authentication, instead of PAP or CHAP. Speaking about authentication, does FreeBSD support TACACS? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 12:07:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12706 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yacko.netgazer.net (yacko.netgazer.net [208.12.177.63]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12696 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.12.177.224] (furball.netgazer.com [208.12.177.224]) by yacko.netgazer.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03985; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:11:25 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: from "Darrin R. Woods" at Apr 10, 97 03:23:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:08:29 -0500 To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) From: "Darrin R. Woods" Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I would have to second this opinion. We also switched from UUNet to Sprint >> and have been happy ever since. > >I'm surprised at the dissatisfaction with UUnet... While I don't like their >attitude towards reselling, their service has always been impeccable. We had decent service with the connection (not great, but not bad). Their customer service was absolute crap though. I would call with a problem or question, my sales rep would never (and I mean NEVER) return my calls, and if I got someone on the phone (billing or tech support) they would tell me that I had to talk to my sales rep. I left voice mail after voice mail and it was never returned. Finally a month after we had a problem with our bill, I got email from my sales rep asking if we had gotten the problem taken care of. Too little too late. I don't know what the problem was, I had dealt with this sales rep for about 2 years before this without problems and had sent several customers to them, but when I started an ISP they just acted like they didn't want to deal with me. Sprint has been like a dream compared to the nightmare we had with UUNet (now known as ScrewUNet around the office here). Darrin R. Woods | "I'm so happy that I, can't stop crying." Director Operations | Netgazer Solutions, Inc. | work: http://www.netgazer.net Dallas, Texas 972.702.9119 | home: http://www.intosh.com My employer most whole-heartedly denies everything I say From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 12:14:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13087 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13081 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16578; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Neal cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > My general impression of Annex has been a screamed NO. But bear in mind > that's just an impression. Hmm, any reasoning behind this though? > Now, a couple little thoughts just from me: > > 1:If you're strapped for cash, don't even try to start. You need to be > able to count on anywhere from $100,000-300,000 to run. Does it really take that much? How does the money break down? > 2:As odd as this sound, make friends with the phone company. We get ISDN > B channels for $13/month. Do you think they would have "found" this > tariff if I was pissed at them? Doesn't it actually cost for incoming for ISDN lines? > 3:Decide what you want to do beforehand. If you WANT to be a big-1000 > line ISP, go ahead and start with a PM3 or MAX or whatever you decide > on. But if you are going to stay small and don't think you can afford > $14000 for 48 analog lines, look into a BSD box or something equivilant. Hmmm, what about if you wanted to start out small and then expand as business grows? > 4:Avoid telebit like the plague. If you talk to uunet, they'll try and > sell you one. Don't buy. I speak from experience. Hmmm, you're talking about the router or the terminal server or their modems? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 12:34:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14084 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pernet.net (mail.pernet.net [205.229.0.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14078 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.pernet.net (office.pernet.net [205.229.0.2]) by mail.pernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA09023; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:32:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Neal Reply-To: neal@pernet.net To: Vincent Poy cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > > > My general impression of Annex has been a screamed NO. But bear in mind > > that's just an impression. > > Hmm, any reasoning behind this though? Not really, just a "feel". I probably should have thought more before typing that. The jury is instructed to ignore the remark. > > > Now, a couple little thoughts just from me: > > > > 1:If you're strapped for cash, don't even try to start. You need to be > > able to count on anywhere from $100,000-300,000 to run. > > Does it really take that much? How does the money break down? Yes. Easily. I believe we're at $500,000 now. The problem is that it takes forever(we've been going to >2 years, and we're just now "close") to break even. Breakdown: $3k/month T1 to net $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) $1000/month office space, etc.(rent, utilities) $5k+ employees. You save on this if you go with no help, but it sucks. = $9k/month expenses without leasing equipment. Startup equipment: $17k Max 4000. $1500 Cisco 2501. $???? computers/servers(at least 1, call it $2k per) = $20k startup. You really need more, i.e. seperate news/mail/web. Of course, I _might_ be inflating the number here. It was actually considerably more expensive to do this two years ago. But I'm not considering startup costs for the T1 or PRI. > > > 2:As odd as this sound, make friends with the phone company. We get ISDN > > B channels for $13/month. Do you think they would have "found" this > > tariff if I was pissed at them? > > Doesn't it actually cost for incoming for ISDN lines? No. We pay $325/month/PRI with no "per usage" pricing. The hitch is it's incoming only, but I think we'll live. Outgoing is $.05/minute. > > > 3:Decide what you want to do beforehand. If you WANT to be a big-1000 > > line ISP, go ahead and start with a PM3 or MAX or whatever you decide > > on. But if you are going to stay small and don't think you can afford > > $14000 for 48 analog lines, look into a BSD box or something equivilant. > > Hmmm, what about if you wanted to start out small and then expand > as business grows? > That's my argument about using BSD boxes. They're cheaper to start up with. When you get to the point that $14000 doesn't phase you, THEN you get the big boxes. > > 4:Avoid telebit like the plague. If you talk to uunet, they'll try and > > sell you one. Don't buy. I speak from experience. > > Hmmm, you're talking about the router or the terminal server or > their modems? > Yes :). I've used their "terminal server". I did some work with a University that had Telebit modems that locked up about 8 times a day. I wasn't aware they made a router. The terminal server was a 386sx-16. Now its a 486dx2-66(I believe). Their tech support was miserable then(it might be better now, this was 1.5 year ago). They had a callback system. They would "try" to get back to you within three days. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 13:15:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17556 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17532; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id KAA00555; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:14:59 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199704112014.KAA00555@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <14559.860781571@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Apr 11, 97 10:59:31 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:14:59 -1000 (HST) Cc: jsuter@linus.intrastar.net, adam@veda.is, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock >> 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. > >Uh, no. ;-) > >If you look at /usr/include/utmp.h, you'll see it's still 8 characters. > >I'm not sure if we'll go to longer usernames in the 2.2 branch because >it would be a big transition headache for everyone, but it's certainly >there in 3.0 (which will already probably be a transition headache for >different reasons, so it doesn't really matter :-) > > Jordan > I remember this being discussed a little while ago but I dont recall the specifics. What are the gotchas for changing the utmp.h file and doing a make world. Will FreeBSD t FreeBSD YP work? Sendmail, csh, tcsh etc.... Thanks, -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 13:21:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18217 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18212 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA14821; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:21:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Vincent Poy cc: Damian Hamill , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:37:43 PDT." Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: <14818.860790084@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Speaking about authentication, does FreeBSD support TACACS? Sure. It's a trivial compile (or you can use the BSDI version). Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 14:08:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20973 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20926 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA01010; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970411140731.10858@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:07:31 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Damian Hamill Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. References: <4193.860725344@time.cdrom.com> <334E2271.59E2B600@cablenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <334E2271.59E2B600@cablenet.net>; from Damian Hamill on Fri, Apr 11, 1997 at 12:37:22PM +0100 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damian Hamill scribbled this message on Apr 11: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Certainly can. Callers can either use a getty login or PPP PAP - getty > > > detects PPP calls and starts pppd. See > > > ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ts-kit215.tgz > > > > Did we never integrate this functionality into the system by default? > > It seems a logical thing to do. > > > > Jordan > > I've been thinking about this recently (especially considering the pigs > ear of getting win95 to connect with scripting) and I would like a getty > that supports auto-ppp, however for my setup the pppd will also have to > do radius authentication, instead of PAP or CHAP. > > Any thoughts on that ? well.. it shouldn't be that hard to add... I've done some hacking arround pppd to support forcing a specific loging name for PAP auth... you should just be able tp replace the getpwnam calls and struct passwd with the stuff from radius... of course I haven't ever looked at radius... so it might be more complex than that... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 14:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21759 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21749 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07350 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA00974; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970411140419.02141@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:04:20 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Vincent Poy Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. References: <19970411032131.61820@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Vincent Poy on Fri, Apr 11, 1997 at 11:31:23AM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vincent Poy scribbled this message on Apr 11: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > > What is the maximum modems a multi-port serial card can handle and > > > how many can you put into a box? > > > > well there are many different brands... Comtrol, Stallion, Cyclades, and > > RISCom all make boards that have drivers for FreeBSD... Stallion has a PCI > > card supporting 64 ports off one card... with something like this smart > > board it's more or of a question of how much cpu power you put under the > > hood on the number of ports you can support... > > I always thought RICom was more of a High Speed Serial Card > to make a FreeBSD box a router or something. well.. out of LINT: # rc: RISCom/8 multiport card so... it does look like they make a multiport card.. but they do also have a sync card which has a driver in FreeBSD... > > I run a mini terminal server (it's even diskless) and it's a 486/33dx > > w/ a couple AST compatible boards... works great... I've hacked mgetty > > to pieces to support various functions... but as Danny said.. the > > default getty now supports autoppp detection... > > That's good to know, how much did a box like hat cost you? well.. a friend found a place that was unloading those 4port AST cards for $39 each... so I bought a couple of those... the ethernet card in it I picked up from a swap meet for probably $1.. (it's 16bbit NE2000, you can't complain)... and I paid something like $19 for the 3.5" floppy... the CPU on the machine was another swap meet grab... $10 for it... I already had the MB... so.. as you can see most of it isn't new stuff... just stuff I had laying around... I use the floppy to boot because i haven't been able to find anyone that has an EPROM burner to burn me a couple boot roms... so it has only cost me about $110... but if you add in the wiring that I've done to make handling sll the serial ports nice... your talking about an additional $80... but that's because I set it up in such a way that I can easily pull a modem from my terminal server and attach it to another box... (just unplug on RJ-45 plug and plug it into another slot, it done :) )... > > hope it goes well... I've thought about starting a local isp too... one > > that actually provides good service to the more enlighted *grin*... but > > startup capital is my problem... > > How much startup capital are we talking about? I can see you're > in Oregon so competition shouldn't be that bad there. well... most of it would go for the inital inet connection and telco cost... depending on what my start up size is... it's around $5,000... and most of that is modems/phone lines or inet connectivity... yeh.. it's not that bad.. and from what I hear it could actually have a good chance of surviving just because of the number of people that are signing up... ttyl... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 14:27:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22176 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22148; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25264; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) To: "David Langford" cc: jsuter@linus.intrastar.net, adam@veda.is, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer usernames In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:14:59 -1000." <199704112014.KAA00555@caliban.dihelix.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:23:50 -0700 Message-ID: <25243.860793830@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I remember this being discussed a little while ago but I dont recall the > specifics. The email search feature at http://www.freebsd.org is your friend. :) > What are the gotchas for changing the utmp.h file and doing a make world. You just need to make sure that you get all the non-FreeBSD stuff recompiled too (like tcsh, xterm, etc). Again, please see the archives, this has all already been discussed to death. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 14:35:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23036 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23018; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA05379; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: David Langford cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <199704112014.KAA00555@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk See http://www.harborcom.net/noc/freebsd/long.html for a little doc I just hacked up. I am converting it to HTML and cleaning it up as I speak...well, not RIGHT as I speak. :-) pbd -- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, David Langford wrote: > I remember this being discussed a little while ago but I dont recall the > specifics. > What are the gotchas for changing the utmp.h file and doing a make world. > > Will FreeBSD t FreeBSD YP work? Sendmail, csh, tcsh etc.... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 15:09:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24858 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24831; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id MAA00895; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:03:17 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199704112203.MAA00895@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: from Bradley Dunn at "Apr 11, 97 05:33:42 pm" To: bradley@dunn.org (Bradley Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:03:17 -1000 (HST) Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is great. This is the first time I have seen anyone actually say whether or not FreeBSD to FreeBSD NIS may work. Thank you. -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com >See >http://www.harborcom.net/noc/freebsd/long.html >for a little doc I just hacked up. I am converting it to HTML and cleaning >it up as I speak...well, not RIGHT as I speak. :-) > >pbd > >-- >Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for >dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for >dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep. > >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, David Langford wrote: > >> I remember this being discussed a little while ago but I dont recall the >> specifics. >> What are the gotchas for changing the utmp.h file and doing a make world. >> >> Will FreeBSD t FreeBSD YP work? Sendmail, csh, tcsh etc.... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 15:30:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25988 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25977 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA30283 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:30:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA26920 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <14818.860790084@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Speaking about authentication, does FreeBSD support TACACS? > > Sure. It's a trivial compile (or you can use the BSDI version). If he was asking about running a TACACS server like xtacacsd then you would be right. But if he was asking about whether FreeBSD could be a TACACS client it is probably not so simple and is, IMHO, a much more interesting question. Right now, login uses /etc/pwd.db for authentication. Some people have hacked login to act as a RADIUS client too I believe. But what about TACACS? And what about PAM? Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 16:09:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28085 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28058; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA20605; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: David Langford cc: Bradley Dunn , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <199704112203.MAA00895@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, David Langford wrote: > This is great. This is the first time I have seen anyone actually > say whether or not FreeBSD to FreeBSD NIS may work. > > Thank you. > > -David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com Huh? Why not? FreeBSD NIS is great: myserver# wc /var/yp/master.passwd 12516 25956 933750 /var/yp/master.passwd myserver# That's 12,516 users in a NIS table, and as I understand it, this is a small site. The developer uses NIS in a 30K user environment. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 16:32:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29880 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (COMSYS.COM [192.94.236.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29871 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobile1.comsys.com (ppp-207-104-158-3.wnck11.pacbell.net [207.104.158.3]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27654 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:47:07 GMT Message-ID: <334EC9CD.12D2@comsys.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:31:25 -0700 From: alex huppenthal Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Java compiler for FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any news on a Java compiler for FreeBSD? We need to render some graphing data, and while the gif tools do a nice job, they don't let our managers pan-zoom-drill-down... which apparently is a must when you've mastered mouse operations.... :) Has anyone managed to create a grapher in JavaScript? -Alex CSR From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:24:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02460 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02412; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id OAA01332; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:22:44 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199704120022.OAA01332@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: from Tom Samplonius at "Apr 11, 97 04:13:32 pm" To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:22:44 -1000 (HST) Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, bradley@dunn.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius > >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, David Langford wrote: > >> This is great. This is the first time I have seen anyone actually >> say whether or not FreeBSD to FreeBSD NIS may work. >> >> Thank you. >> >> -David Langford >> langfod@dihelix.com > > Huh? Why not? FreeBSD NIS is great: > >Tom Whoops, no the confusion was whether or not FreeBSD to FreeBSD NIS would work with long user names. In the past discusions it had usually been mentioned that NIS and long user names would cause problems but it was never clear if this was also the cause in homogenious environments. :) -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:43:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04404 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04393 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA09915; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:43:35 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009902; Sat Apr 12 00:43:21 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970411193607.00c4aa14@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:36:07 -0500 To: Susie Ward From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sportster Init String Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:17 AM 4/11/97 -0500, Susie Ward wrote: >Could some of you please show me the init strings you are using for your >Sportster 28.8/33.6 modems? I've almost got my dialups working, but I think >a large part of my problem is not having an init string that the modems >really like. I used the one recommended at usr.com on the unix setup page, >but that didnt work, used another that a friend sent and that got rid of >the garbage recieved error, but I still can only connect like 1 out of 6 AT&F1M0Q2S0=1S2=255S10=100S13=1S25=50&W&W1 DIPs 3 8 down (ON) Worked for us and I tried everything. Some things only improve connections slightly, but help for those with problems connecting to a Sportster. Better to use a Courier. Do note that some of the commands did change from the 28.8 to the 33.6 version and someone may X init string and another person has Y init string and combining them may not work, best to read the command set before hand. We are phasing out our Courier/Sportster/Supra modems and are switching to PM3 units. Rather happy that I got the clear to swtich to Courier and the PM3 is comparable in price per port ~$350. >times, so that really bites :) I'm "hoping" this where my problem lies, if >anyone has any other suggestions as to what might make the connections so >unreliable, I'm open for suggestions (FreeBSD 2.2.1, Cyclades Yo board). Keep them COOL and have fan blowing on them. Disconnects, failed connects, and no connect period are the escalating problem as temperatures rise. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:45:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04621 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04595; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA06896; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: David Langford cc: bradley@dunn.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <199704120022.OAA01332@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, David Langford wrote: > Whoops, no the confusion was whether or not FreeBSD to FreeBSD NIS would > work with long user names. > > In the past discusions it had usually been mentioned that NIS and long > user names would cause problems but it was never clear if this was > also the cause in homogenious environments. Misinformation being passed around by the misinformed. NIS is concerned with key-data pairs, the lengths of those pairs is imposed only by the underlying database (and a couple of other things). Even the SunOS 4.1 implementation of NIS has no problems with longer-usernames, its just that login truncates all user-ids to 8 characters before doing lookups (I guess, it is hard to verify without looking at the code). I did some real brief testing on this. Solaris 2.x has 16 character username support, and it definitely works with NIS. > :) > > -David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04916 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04907; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199704120047.RAA04907@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@comsys.com Subject: Re: Java compiler for FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-isp Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any news on a Java compiler for FreeBSD? Do you want a Java source to Java bytecode compiler or a Java source to native machine code compiler? From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05110 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05100 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17636; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Neal cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Neal wrote: > > > > > My general impression of Annex has been a screamed NO. But bear in mind > > > that's just an impression. > > > > Hmm, any reasoning behind this though? > > Not really, just a "feel". I probably should have thought more before > typing that. The jury is instructed to ignore the remark. Oh okay, I thought you knew something bad about it that I didn't. > > > Now, a couple little thoughts just from me: > > > > > > 1:If you're strapped for cash, don't even try to start. You need to be > > > able to count on anywhere from $100,000-300,000 to run. > > > > Does it really take that much? How does the money break down? > > Yes. Easily. I believe we're at $500,000 now. The problem is that it > takes forever(we've been going to >2 years, and we're just now "close") to > break even. Hmm, seems like your costs are a lot more than what we need to pay.. > Breakdown: > > $3k/month T1 to net $1.45k/month T1 to the backbone > $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) Not sure about this one. > $1000/month office space, etc.(rent, utilities) We don't need this since it's already a audio business. > $5k+ employees. You save on this if you go with no help, but it sucks. > = $9k/month expenses without leasing equipment. Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this eliminates that part. > Startup equipment: > > $17k Max 4000. What is a Max 4000? > $1500 Cisco 2501. Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500? A FreeBSD based PC with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less. > $???? computers/servers(at least 1, call it $2k per) > = $20k startup. You really need more, i.e. seperate news/mail/web. Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on a dedicated machine? > Of course, I _might_ be inflating the number here. It was actually > considerably more expensive to do this two years ago. But I'm not > considering startup costs for the T1 or PRI. Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days? > > > > Doesn't it actually cost for incoming for ISDN lines? > > No. We pay $325/month/PRI with no "per usage" pricing. The hitch is it's > incoming only, but I think we'll live. Outgoing is $.05/minute. So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for outgoing but incoming is still free. > > Hmmm, what about if you wanted to start out small and then expand > > as business grows? > > That's my argument about using BSD boxes. They're cheaper to start up > with. When you get to the point that $14000 doesn't phase you, THEN you > get the big boxes. How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes? > > Hmmm, you're talking about the router or the terminal server or > > their modems? > > Yes :). I've used their "terminal server". I did some work with a > University that had Telebit modems that locked up about 8 times a day. > I wasn't aware they made a router. I never knew they made a terminal server. The router is called the NetBlazer. > The terminal server was a 386sx-16. Now its a 486dx2-66(I believe). > Their tech support was miserable then(it might be better now, this was 1.5 > year ago). They had a callback system. They would "try" to get back to > you within three days. They did make the best modems at one point and their tech support was good when they were just modem only though. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 17:49:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05151 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (COMSYS.COM [192.94.236.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05141; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobile1.comsys.com (ppp-207-104-158-3.wnck11.pacbell.net [207.104.158.3]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27811; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:04:34 GMT Message-ID: <334EDBF3.6DB3@comsys.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:48:51 -0700 From: alex huppenthal Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Hsu CC: freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java compiler for FreeBSD? References: <199704120047.RAA04907@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > > Any news on a Java compiler for FreeBSD? > > Do you want a Java source to Java bytecode compiler or a Java source > to native machine code compiler? Jave source to bytecode is optimal at this time, however the latter is attractive for testing and parts of the host implementation. -Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 18:11:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06520 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06515 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17736; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: John-Mark Gurney cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <19970411140419.02141@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > I always thought RISCom was more of a High Speed Serial Card > > to make a FreeBSD box a router or something. > > well.. out of LINT: > # rc: RISCom/8 multiport card > > so... it does look like they make a multiport card.. but they do also have > a sync card which has a driver in FreeBSD... I kept thinking that was their Sync card and not a multiport card. > > That's good to know, how much did a box like hat cost you? > > well.. a friend found a place that was unloading those 4port AST cards > for $39 each... so I bought a couple of those... the ethernet card in it I > picked up from a swap meet for probably $1.. (it's 16bbit NE2000, you > can't complain)... and I paid something like $19 for the 3.5" floppy... > the CPU on the machine was another swap meet grab... $10 for it... I > already had the MB... Actually, that's pretty good for what you got. > so.. as you can see most of it isn't new stuff... just stuff I had laying > around... I use the floppy to boot because i haven't been able to find > anyone that has an EPROM burner to burn me a couple boot roms... Well, the main point is the stuff works and not if it was new or used since it's not something that you use physically. > so it has only cost me about $110... but if you add in the wiring that I've > done to make handling sll the serial ports nice... your talking about an > additional $80... but that's because I set it up in such a way that I can > easily pull a modem from my terminal server and attach it to another box... > (just unplug on RJ-45 plug and plug it into another slot, it done :) )... Hmmm, for under $200, that still isn't too bad. I thought it would cost way more than that. How much would something new like this cost? > > How much startup capital are we talking about? I can see you're > > in Oregon so competition shouldn't be that bad there. > > well... most of it would go for the inital inet connection and telco > cost.... depending on what my start up size is... it's around $5,000... > and most of that is modems/phone lines or inet connectivity... What does that $5k include? > yeh.. it's not that bad.. and from what I hear it could actually have a > good chance of surviving just because of the number of people that are > signing up... Yep, that's true unless you had to deal with Rain.net or something in Oregon. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 18:16:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06662 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyslexic.phoenix.net (root@dyslexic.phoenix.net [199.3.233.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06655; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gemohler@localhost) by dyslexic.phoenix.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA28258; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:12:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:12:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Geoff Mohler X-Sender: gemohler@dyslexic.phoenix.net To: David Langford cc: Tom Samplonius , langfod@dihelix.com, bradley@dunn.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: <199704120022.OAA01332@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I do know that COPS complaints about long (>8) usernames in the YP maps. =-=-=-=-=- ROMANI ITE DOMUM Geoff Mohler Operations Engineer Charter Communications/Phoenix Data Net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 18:28:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07306 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07298 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17848; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Speaking about authentication, does FreeBSD support TACACS? > > > > Sure. It's a trivial compile (or you can use the BSDI version). > > If he was asking about running a TACACS server like xtacacsd then you > would be right. But if he was asking about whether FreeBSD could be a > TACACS client it is probably not so simple and is, IMHO, a much more > interesting question. Actually, what I was trying to ask was as a client and as a server since the terminal server would act as a client but the machine where the user accounts on would be the server. > Right now, login uses /etc/pwd.db for authentication. Some people have > hacked login to act as a RADIUS client too I believe. But what about > TACACS? And what about PAM? Hmm, what is PAM used for since TACACS is what Cisco uses I think. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 22:11:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14600 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul.rutgers.edu (muralir@paul.rutgers.edu [128.6.5.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14592 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muralir@localhost) by paul.rutgers.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA01395; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Murali Rangarajan To: Luigi Rizzo cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trouble with xfree In-Reply-To: <199704111147.NAA18785@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > trivially, you don't have specified the mouse device in the right way > in the XF86Config file. Yep, that was the problem. I changed the mouse confgiuration to be a PS/2 mouse and its working fine now. I have one more problem. How do I increase the space for my /usr partition? Is there anyway I can do it at all? I tried the partition editor and created a new freebsd partition and tried to create a new file system using the new partition to use it for my /usr, but it just doesn't seem to work.. any ideas? Thanks Murali P.S. I am running FreeBSD 2.2.1 ----------------------------------------------------------- - Murali Rangarajan - - Email: muralir@paul.rutgers.edu - - Home: Mail: Office: - - Buell 350 BPO 23622 429, Hill Center - - Busch Campus PO Box 1119 Busch Campus - - Piscataway Piscataway NJ 08855 Piscataway - ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 22:37:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15361 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15356 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA28513; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:36:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Murali Rangarajan cc: Luigi Rizzo , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trouble with xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:10:20 EDT." Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: <28506.860823398@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > mouse and its working fine now. I have one more problem. How do I increase > the space for my /usr partition? Is there anyway I can do it at all? Back up and reinstall. You can't increase the size of a partition after it's got a filesystem on it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 11 23:35:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17455 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17450 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA01924; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970411233527.43600@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:35:27 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Vincent Poy Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. References: <19970411140419.02141@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Vincent Poy on Fri, Apr 11, 1997 at 06:10:48PM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vincent Poy scribbled this message on Apr 11: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > > That's good to know, how much did a box like hat cost you? > > > > well.. a friend found a place that was unloading those 4port AST cards > > for $39 each... so I bought a couple of those... the ethernet card in it I > > picked up from a swap meet for probably $1.. (it's 16bbit NE2000, you > > can't complain)... and I paid something like $19 for the 3.5" floppy... > > the CPU on the machine was another swap meet grab... $10 for it... I > > already had the MB... [...] > > so it has only cost me about $110... but if you add in the wiring that I've > > done to make handling sll the serial ports nice... your talking about an > > additional $80... but that's because I set it up in such a way that I can > > easily pull a modem from my terminal server and attach it to another box... > > (just unplug on RJ-45 plug and plug it into another slot, it done :) )... > > Hmmm, for under $200, that still isn't too bad. I thought it > would cost way more than that. How much would something new like this > cost? well.. if you go with a cheep pentium mb (it's cheeper than a 486mb) that will run you about $95 or $100... then an AMD k5 (they are slightly more expensive than an AMD 5x86/133 your looking at aroound $45 (75) to $95 (133). then case would be around $50... ethernet card (16bit ne2000) $30... memory, say 8megs (might want to get 16megs) for $45... then you have your multiport cards... which can have a varing range of prices... so your looking at about $300 plus the cost of the multiport cards... of course you can do a lot with this box... I happen to run gated on it so that routing is handle properly.. :) > > > How much startup capital are we talking about? I can see you're > > > in Oregon so competition shouldn't be that bad there. > > > > well... most of it would go for the inital inet connection and telco > > cost.... depending on what my start up size is... it's around $5,000... > > and most of that is modems/phone lines or inet connectivity... > > What does that $5k include? sync card, csu/dsu, 5-10 modems, 5-10 phone lines, another 2gig hd, dat drive for backups, inet access (56k frame relay)... most monthly fees will be covered for a few months... > > yeh.. it's not that bad.. and from what I hear it could actually have a > > good chance of surviving just because of the number of people that are > > signing up... > > Yep, that's true unless you had to deal with Rain.net or something > in Oregon. well.. from the sounds of it.. there are a number of higher level providers that are starting to fight it out locally... seems one company is offering T1 locally.. and they connectivity is via microwave to portland... (that way they don't have to run cable)... so there are a number of choices for top level providers locally.... this will also causing the service to improve to make sure you stay with 'em... ttyl... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 00:02:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18083 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA18075 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA06997 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:02:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA01599 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:57:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Right now, login uses /etc/pwd.db for authentication. Some people have > > hacked login to act as a RADIUS client too I believe. But what about > > TACACS? And what about PAM? > > Hmm, what is PAM used for since TACACS is what Cisco uses I think. PAM is something SUN invented and I think it means Pluggable Authentication Modules. It has also been implemented on RedHat Linux so that is probably the best source of detailled info at this time. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 00:13:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18536 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA18531 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id CAA16066; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:14:50 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014348; Sat Apr 12 07:14:23 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970412020711.00c98818@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:07:12 -0500 To: Vincent Poy From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:49 PM 4/11/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >> $3k/month T1 to net > $1.45k/month T1 to the backbone Not bad is that port and line cost? Port being your provider and line for what you pay the telco (in case you don't know :). >> $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) > Not sure about this one. Check on this, as well a channelized T1, which may be signifcantly cheaper. >> $1000/month office space, etc.(rent, utilities) > We don't need this since it's already a audio business. One... >> $5k+ employees. You save on this if you go with no help, but it sucks. >> = $9k/month expenses without leasing equipment. > Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this >eliminates that part. Make that 2 advantages. >> Startup equipment: >> >> $17k Max 4000. > What is a Max 4000? Uh, I won't comment, except to say that you should consider Livington PM3 units and they have an excellent leasing program. Similar price, fully loaded. The 4000 is outdated and is replaced by the 4004, so you definately DO NOT want it. >> $1500 Cisco 2501. > Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500? A FreeBSD based PC >with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less. Or you could get a 1005, which has only 1 serial port. The price is right and IHMO a stand along router and not a PC-cum-router is the way to go. >> $???? computers/servers(at least 1, call it $2k per) >> = $20k startup. You really need more, i.e. seperate news/mail/web. > Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on >a dedicated machine? Certainly! Best way to start. Why admin several machines, but I would recommend that you have a spare server and update/mirror it. >> Of course, I _might_ be inflating the number here. It was actually >> considerably more expensive to do this two years ago. But I'm not >> considering startup costs for the T1 or PRI. > Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days? Hard to say, but setup fees are generally over $2000 and contracts are cheaper for longer term contracts. >> No. We pay $325/month/PRI with no "per usage" pricing. The hitch is it's >> incoming only, but I think we'll live. Outgoing is $.05/minute. > So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for >outgoing but incoming is still free. Depending on where you are the outgoing may be per minute or FOC, but outgoing may not be a big factor. >> That's my argument about using BSD boxes. They're cheaper to start up >> with. When you get to the point that $14000 doesn't phase you, THEN you >> get the big boxes. > How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes? Much! A person a one local company sneered at us and another provider about us not having a Sun, let alone an Ultra. My thought was "all rev'd up, but going nowhere" for the cost and customer base size they had. IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access. Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a customer base. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 02:27:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23207 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23202 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19446; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: John-Mark Gurney cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: <19970411233527.43600@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Hmmm, for under $200, that still isn't too bad. I thought it > > would cost way more than that. How much would something new like this > > cost? > > well.. if you go with a cheep pentium mb (it's cheeper than a 486mb) that > will run you about $95 or $100... then an AMD k5 (they are slightly more > expensive than an AMD 5x86/133 your looking at aroound $45 (75) to $95 (133). > then case would be around $50... ethernet card (16bit ne2000) $30... > memory, say 8megs (might want to get 16megs) for $45... then you have your > multiport cards... which can have a varing range of prices... so your > looking at about $300 plus the cost of the multiport cards... Hmm, will a K5 run as well as a P5 though? Since it might be faster but what about compatibility issues? As for the ethernet card, wouldn't a 100Mbps PCI be better? But is 8 megs really enough for a terminal server? Now how much does the multiport cards cost? > of course you can do a lot with this box... I happen to run gated on it so > that routing is handle properly.. :) This is only if I can figure out how to get gated working. =) > > What does that $5k include? > > sync card, csu/dsu, 5-10 modems, 5-10 phone lines, another 2gig hd, dat > drive for backups, inet access (56k frame relay)... most monthly fees will > be covered for a few months... I thought you had a T1 but 56k would cost $5k already? > > Yep, that's true unless you had to deal with Rain.net or something > > in Oregon. > > well.. from the sounds of it.. there are a number of higher level providers > that are starting to fight it out locally... seems one company is offering > T1 locally.. and they connectivity is via microwave to portland... (that > way they don't have to run cable)... so there are a number of choices for > top level providers locally.... this will also causing the service to > improve to make sure you stay with 'em... Hmmm, via microwave? Now that must cost them something to do that but isn't microwave slower than actual cable? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 02:36:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23526 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23521 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19481; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970412020711.00c98818@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 05:49 PM 4/11/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >> $3k/month T1 to net > > $1.45k/month T1 to the backbone > > Not bad is that port and line cost? Port being your provider and line for > what you pay the telco (in case you don't know :). Port is $1450 or $1250 with a 2 year contract and the telco is $200. > >> $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) > > Not sure about this one. > > Check on this, as well a channelized T1, which may be signifcantly cheaper. Hmmm, what's the difference between this and a channelized T1? > > Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this > >eliminates that part. > > Make that 2 advantages. Yep =) > >> Startup equipment: > >> > >> $17k Max 4000. > > What is a Max 4000? > > Uh, I won't comment, except to say that you should consider Livington PM3 > units and they have an excellent leasing program. Similar price, fully > loaded. The 4000 is outdated and is replaced by the 4004, so you > definately DO NOT want it. Hmmm, what about the offerings from Cisco since I know some of the Regional providers used it. > >> $1500 Cisco 2501. > > Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500? A FreeBSD based PC > >with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less. > > Or you could get a 1005, which has only 1 serial port. The price is right > and IHMO a stand along router and not a PC-cum-router is the way to go. Well, I have used both and the PC router performs exceptionally well except the Cisco is easier to use. The 2501 should be the minimum one should go with. > > Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on > >a dedicated machine? > > Certainly! Best way to start. Why admin several machines, but I would > recommend that you have a spare server and update/mirror it. Hmmm, do most ISPs have a spare machine and mirror it since wouldn't backups do the same thing? > > Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days? > > Hard to say, but setup fees are generally over $2000 and contracts are > cheaper for longer term contracts. I know what you mean. I was asking the backbone provider and they told me prices will go up but it seems a T1 is a lot cheaper now than it was a year ago. > > So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for > >outgoing but incoming is still free. > > Depending on where you are the outgoing may be per minute or FOC, but > outgoing may not be a big factor. Hmmm but if it's a POP, why would there be outgoing calls? =) > > How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes? > > Much! A person a one local company sneered at us and another provider > about us not having a Sun, let alone an Ultra. My thought was "all rev'd > up, but going nowhere" for the cost and customer base size they had. > > IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access. What about for both dial-up shell and ppp access? > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > customer base. The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more important. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 02:37:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23575 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23570 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19489; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some advice needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hmm, what is PAM used for since TACACS is what Cisco uses I think. > > PAM is something SUN invented and I think it means Pluggable > Authentication Modules. It has also been implemented on RedHat Linux > so that is probably the best source of detailled info at this time. This is interesting since I thought SUN at one point did use TACACS too. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 04:55:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA29750 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA29741 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id GAA16886; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:56:07 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016856; Sat Apr 12 11:56:01 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970412064847.00ccd15c@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:48:48 -0500 To: Vincent Poy From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:36 AM 4/12/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Hmmm, what's the difference between this and a channelized T1? PRI is ISDN w/23 usable B channels at 64K/ea and CT1 has 24 channels of 56K/ea, which is generally less expensive, sometimes by a large factor. > Hmmm, what about the offerings from Cisco since I know some of the >Regional providers used it. More expensive per port. Don't know much else, as I was raised on Livingston, but I would guess you would want support for 56K analog. Don't think you can do that easily with Cisco. > Hmmm, do most ISPs have a spare machine and mirror it since >wouldn't backups do the same thing? Dunno, but considering that even with a DAT and fast system it can take a few hours to bring a system back up and in the case of a hardware failure it might take a while to isolate it. Faster to restore customer data to a working system and system data should be similar, so it is just a matter of configuring the services. Crash recovery is a pain and best to have a few options. I have enough parts for at least 2 machines. My own box can do stand in services. The point is to be quick about switching critical services. > Hmmm but if it's a POP, why would there be outgoing calls? =) One thing that you could offer to ISDN customers is dial-back, but this depends on 2 things; one is if you pay for it and another is if they pay for. With Ameritech business ISDN customers pay per channel, per minute and we don't, so this is a service plus. >> IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access. > > What about for both dial-up shell and ppp access? Guess I should clarify that for just shell access a term server is good. We have a Xylogics and some users never call PPP. The comm server has to connect to a host, which can be done with telnet or in some cases it is an option on connect, but I don't like this method. Guess this topic should have the subject of "A lot of advice offered." ;=) ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 06:05:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01408 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01383 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11015 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:03:28 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199704121303.XAA11015@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: VPN with encrypted data stream To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:03:28 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any suggestions how I might construct a Virtual Private Network with an encrypted data stream? The scenario is two FreeBSD systems that are Internet gateways for a company that has offices in several states. And they want to transfer files, email, fileserver traffic etc. via the Internet but keep it secure. Any suggestions? - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 06:57:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02508 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@usr1-dialup52.Denver.mci.net [204.189.201.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02501 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09871 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:11:35 -0600 Message-ID: <334F7BF6.7AF7DE72@denverweb.net> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:11:34 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > > customer base. > > The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we > need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more > important. Hmmm. What planet is this on again? On my side of the galaxy, no customers = no profit. It would be nice not to have to put up with the customers though. If you could let the rest of us in on the secret, we would all be much obliged... :-P From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 07:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05208 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05197 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22237; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: <334F7BF6.7AF7DE72@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > > > customer base. > > > > The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we > > need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more > > important. > > Hmmm. What planet is this on again? On my side of the galaxy, > no customers = no profit. It would be nice not to have to put up > with the customers though. If you could let the rest of us in on > the secret, we would all be much obliged... :-P I think you didn't read the post correctly =P Anyways, we already have major leads to some big research laboratories and other stuff. =) So that's why the other part is more important now since we need to figure out on what needs to be done to support the customers... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 08:06:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06216 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.medinet.si (root@server.medinet.si [193.77.234.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06211 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.medinet.si (8.8.5/8.8.5/970403) with UUCP id RAA24120; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from blaz@localhost) by gold.medinet.si (8.8.5/8.8.5/960929) id RAA00864; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:05:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Blaz Zupan Message-Id: <199704121505.RAA00864@gold.medinet.si> Subject: Re: VPN with encrypted data stream In-Reply-To: <199704121303.XAA11015@spooky.eis.net.au> from Ernie Elu at "Apr 12, 97 11:03:28 pm" To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au (Ernie Elu) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:05:14 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have any suggestions how I might construct a Virtual Private > Network with an encrypted data stream? Go to http://www.datafellows.com and look at their F-Secure product. It is basically a stripped down NetBSD kernel with some userland utilities which is then installed onto a dedicated machine with two (or one!) ethernet cards and which provides encryption of TCP/IP tunnels. It uses exactly the same protocol as SSH to communicate with the other side of the tunnel. -- Blaz Zupan, blaz.zupan@medinet.si, http://www.medinet.si/~blaz Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 08:15:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06734 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@36.denver-002.co.dial-access.att.net [207.147.17.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06728 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10026 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:29:12 -0600 Message-ID: <334F8E27.7497A993@denverweb.net> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:29:11 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > > > > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > > > > customer base. > > > > > > The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we > > > need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more > > > important. > > > > Hmmm. What planet is this on again? On my side of the galaxy, > > no customers = no profit. It would be nice not to have to put up > > with the customers though. If you could let the rest of us in on > > the secret, we would all be much obliged... :-P > > I think you didn't read the post correctly =P Anyways, we already > have major leads to some big research laboratories and other stuff. =) > So that's why the other part is more important now since we need to figure > out on what needs to be done to support the customers... It just sounded funny... And you would not believe the number of people who want to jump into the businss, thinking that if they buy all the right equipment, they will be in business. USUALLY, they are the same suckers who get talked into SUN's, and NT Boxes..... No clues, No technical ability, Not much operating capital, no business sense, no future. They are a great source for used routers and TS's, and other equipment at pennies on the dollar. usually only 6 - 9 months old. Besides, think of all the advantages one would have if you didn't need customers. 1: Fish. 7 days a week. 2: Lay On beach, when not fishing. 3: No pesky tech support calls from morons who can f&%k up windows configurations faster than you can say 95. 4: Never again hear the phrase, I didn't change anything on MY END, it MUST be your server that's having a problem. 5: Hard drive crash? Screw it. Replace it next year. maybe. 6: No electric bills or expensive T-1 costs to worry about. Thats the short list... ( I can dream, can't I? ) Oh well... reality check and back to the end of another 80 hour week. :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 08:47:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08031 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chess.inetspace.com ([206.50.163.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08026 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kgor@localhost) by chess.inetspace.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA11904; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704121546.KAA11904@chess.inetspace.com> From: "Kent S. Gordon" To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199704121303.XAA11015@spooky.eis.net.au> (message from Ernie Elu on Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:03:28 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: VPN with encrypted data stream Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.105) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "ernie" == Ernie Elu writes: > Does anyone have any suggestions how I might construct a Virtual > Private Network with an encrypted data stream? > The scenario is two FreeBSD systems that are Internet gateways > for a company that has offices in several states. And they want > to transfer files, email, fileserver traffic etc. via the > Internet but keep it secure. > Any suggestions? http://www.datafellows.com/f-secure/ > - Ernie. Kent S. Gordon Senior Software Engineer INetSpace Co. voice: (972)851-3494 fax:(972)702-0384 e-mail:kgor@inetspace.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 10:44:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12852 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (veda.is [193.4.230.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12824; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA26331; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:44:39 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199704121744.RAA26331@veda.is> Subject: Re: longer usernames In-Reply-To: from Jacob Suter at "Apr 11, 97 11:47:23 am" To: jsuter@linus.intrastar.net (Jacob Suter) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:44:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock > 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. Would someone please tell me how to enable 16-char logins on stock 2.2.1R, much appreciated. (still Cc: current because this is "recent") -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 12:03:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16049 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16042 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eddie ([206.62.254.22]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25672 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:09:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <334FDA22.2EF4@eaznet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:53:22 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Apache & Java on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey! I realize that this may not be the place to ask this question, but maybe someone can point me in hte right direction. I am running FreeBSD 2.1.7 and Apache. I have downloaded a calendar Java applet from a site and it doesn't seem to work properly. It's an interactive applet that is supposed to bring up a small screen showing what's happenning on the date selected by a mouse click. The date "depresses" and changing the month display works, but the small pop-up showing the entries for the date dows not work. I'm sure the applet is set up correctly (it works fine when I run it from a win95 machine). I'm thinking htat something is not set up correctly with my Apache server. Any ideas? Anyone know of somewhere else to get help? I looked around www.apache.org, but didn't have any luck. Thanks in advance! Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 12:19:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16917 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16908 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02139; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Steve cc: Alan Batie , "Darrin R. Woods" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sprint or MCI ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll second that. In a word, if you are in NYC, they SUCK. There's one problematic router here that is so overloaded it reboots a few times a day. This has been happening for about a year... Email to them has not been responded to in months... We're in the process of moving to a co-locate with Genuity. Charles On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Steve wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Alan Batie wrote: > > > > I would have to second this opinion. We also switched from UUNet to Sprint > > > and have been happy ever since. > > > > I'm surprised at the dissatisfaction with UUnet... While I don't like their > > attitude towards reselling, their service has always been impeccable. > > customer service yes - but when I had them my connectivity to the net was > down frequently. > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 12:48:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18209 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18188; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA15601; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:26:53 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199704121926.MAA15601@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: longer usernames To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:26:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, bradley@dunn.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Apr 11, 97 05:49:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Misinformation being passed around by the misinformed. NIS is concerned > with key-data pairs, the lengths of those pairs is imposed only by the > underlying database (and a couple of other things). > > Even the SunOS 4.1 implementation of NIS has no problems with > longer-usernames, its just that login truncates all user-ids to 8 > characters before doing lookups (I guess, it is hard to verify without > looking at the code). I did some real brief testing on this. > > Solaris 2.x has 16 character username support, and it definitely works > with NIS. Yes; the problem is interoperability with systems which have historically truncated login names to 8 characters; all accounts more than 8 characters will be useless on these systems when they are configured as clients of a system which supports more than 8 character names. So if you support more than 8 character names, and send them out via NIS, older SGI, MIPS, Pyramid, and SVR3/SVR4 NIS clients will be unable to log into any account with a long name. In a homogeneous environment, there is no problem. In an environment with Solaris 2.x, there is no interoperability problem as long as you geep the names shorter than 17 characters. In other words, over 8 characters, the behaviour is undefined in all but homogeneous environments, with the above documented exceptions. Feel free to buy one of each type of UNIX box ever built, and run each OS release they've ever had, and document the remaining exceptions in a cannonical list. 8-) 8-). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 13:06:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19095 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19086 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02254; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Vincent Poy , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970412020711.00c98818@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been working at an ISP for a year and a half now (which I guess isn't all that long...) and I do chuckle somewhat upon looking at this thread. The number one thing I've learned so far is to not trust anyone's estimates of cost/time that you will expend making everything work. *NO matter WHAT* the customer base is assumed to be, you need tech support people. We have some very intelligent customers that know a whole bunch about their own networks and machines that call up with *very* stupid questions... The reason is that the ISP business is a service business first and foremost before it's a technical biz. Ask anyone who's making money. I used to have to field calls, and even now, I'll be working along on schedule and get some panicked customer going nuts that pulls me off of a project and ruins my day. We started with absolute crap equipment (not my choice, BTW) and it came very close to bringing the company down. Your competition can afford real modems and term servers that connect 99% of the time and give a nice healthy thruput. You need that too. Any luser can see if ISP A is "faster" than ISP B with no technical knowledge involved. Stand alone modems are a fast ticket to troubleshooting hell. As for servers, seperate everything from the get-go. Put mail on one machine, shell on another, and web on another. I was around for a migration from one machine to 12, and it wasn't pretty; in fact it was a customer service nightmare.... I guess the bottom line is, if you're doing this as a business, have the $$ (or a nice leasing program ;) and spare no expense where reliability is concerned. Buy good modems (that will hopefully support some 56K crap that your users will be calling about every day), use a solid OS like FBSD, get Seagate drives, and go with the stand alone router (not so much for performance, but to learn the Cisco IOS so you can talk intelligently with other router-heads)... There's more, but jeez, someone could write a book... Charles On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 05:49 PM 4/11/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >> $3k/month T1 to net > > $1.45k/month T1 to the backbone > > Not bad is that port and line cost? Port being your provider and line for > what you pay the telco (in case you don't know :). > > >> $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) > > Not sure about this one. > > Check on this, as well a channelized T1, which may be signifcantly cheaper. > > >> $1000/month office space, etc.(rent, utilities) > > We don't need this since it's already a audio business. > > One... > > >> $5k+ employees. You save on this if you go with no help, but it sucks. > >> = $9k/month expenses without leasing equipment. > > Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this > >eliminates that part. > > Make that 2 advantages. > > >> Startup equipment: > >> > >> $17k Max 4000. > > What is a Max 4000? > > Uh, I won't comment, except to say that you should consider Livington PM3 > units and they have an excellent leasing program. Similar price, fully > loaded. The 4000 is outdated and is replaced by the 4004, so you > definately DO NOT want it. > > >> $1500 Cisco 2501. > > Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500? A FreeBSD based PC > >with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less. > > Or you could get a 1005, which has only 1 serial port. The price is right > and IHMO a stand along router and not a PC-cum-router is the way to go. > > >> $???? computers/servers(at least 1, call it $2k per) > >> = $20k startup. You really need more, i.e. seperate news/mail/web. > > Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on > >a dedicated machine? > > Certainly! Best way to start. Why admin several machines, but I would > recommend that you have a spare server and update/mirror it. > > > >> Of course, I _might_ be inflating the number here. It was actually > >> considerably more expensive to do this two years ago.. But I'm not > >> considering startup costs for the T1 or PRI. > > Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days? > > Hard to say, but setup fees are generally over $2000 and contracts are > cheaper for longer term contracts. > > > >> No. We pay $325/month/PRI with no "per usage" pricing. The hitch is it's > >> incoming only, but I think we'll live. Outgoing is $.05/minute. > > So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for > >outgoing but incoming is still free. > > Depending on where you are the outgoing may be per minute or FOC, but > outgoing may not be a big factor. > > > >> That's my argument about using BSD boxes. They're cheaper to start up > >> with. When you get to the point that $14000 doesn't phase you, THEN you > >> get the big boxes. > > How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes? > > Much! A person a one local company sneered at us and another provider > about us not having a Sun, let alone an Ultra. My thought was "all rev'd > up, but going nowhere" for the cost and customer base size they had. > > IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access. > > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > customer base. > > > ------------------------------------------- > Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator > jeff@mixcom.net > > MIX Communications > Serving the Internet since 1990 > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 14:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24553 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24528; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11171; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:54:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Adam David cc: jsuter@linus.intrastar.net (Jacob Suter), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer usernames In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:44:39 -0000." <199704121744.RAA26331@veda.is> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:54:41 -0700 Message-ID: <11156.860882081@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock > > 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. > > Would someone please tell me how to enable 16-char logins on stock 2.2.1R, > much appreciated. Use the search tool, Luke! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 15:12:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25967 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25956 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA26271; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) To: spork cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Vincent Poy , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:15:13 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <26230.860883125@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As for servers, seperate everything from the get-go. Put mail on one > machine, shell on another, and web on another. I was around for a > migration from one machine to 12, and it wasn't pretty; in fact it was a > customer service nightmare.... Actually, I beg to differ on this point. I agree that buying good quality equipment is essential, but what I don't agree with is over-distributing yourself before the customer base merits it. I know of one ISP who had 3 machines doing the work of one (everything split out, as you say, but with only 200 customers) and it only increased the maintainance headache to *no* gain whatsoever. 3 machines to secure, 3 machines to maintain, it was evil. I stuck all the services back on ONE machine again and made a 2nd one a redundant spare for the 1st, with all of its important files rsync'd over nightly. The 3rd machine then came free to go to someone's house or something. :-) Now they have one machine which still spends most of its time twiddling its thumbs and a redundant backup which they never had before. If I'd been able to advise these folks in the beginning, I could have saved them money spend needlessly (for now) on the 3rd. Someday, if this ISP breaks the 500 customer barrier or so, I may start breaking things down again, though it will probably be just as easy to simply bump the primary machine's configuration up a notch, say to a Pentium Pro system or something. The secondary can remain as it is since it's only intended to be in service during short periods of outtage anyway. Sometimes it's just as easy to get yourself in a tangle from over-engineering the solution as well as under-engineering it (and over-engineering costs a lot more :-). Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 15:18:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26380 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.nih.gov (poca36.capecod.net [205.230.13.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26363 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by localhost.nih.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00278; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:16:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck To: Murali Rangarajan cc: Luigi Rizzo , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: trouble with xfree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A cheap workaround (instead of having created a filesystem of exactly the right size) is to create symlinks somewhere in /usr pointing to a big space you have elsewhere. For instance: # ln -s /bigspace/local/src /usr/local/src instead of having /usr/local/src on the tight /usr partition. Personally, I have /usr/local/src on /usr, but put various distributions on the big disk and individual symlinks into /usr/local/src. Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Murali Rangarajan wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Luigi Rizzo wrote: [...] > I have one more problem. How do I increase > the space for my /usr partition? Is there anyway I can do it at all? > I tried the partition editor and created a new freebsd partition and tried > to create a new file system using the new partition to use it for my /usr, > but it just doesn't seem to work.. any ideas? > > Thanks > > Murali > > P.S. I am running FreeBSD 2.2.1 > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > - Murali Rangarajan - > - Email: muralir@paul.rutgers.edu - > - Home: Mail: Office: - > - Buell 350 BPO 23622 429, Hill Center - > - Busch Campus PO Box 1119 Busch Campus - > - Piscataway Piscataway NJ 08855 Piscataway - > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 16:57:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02459 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02445 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05891; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Vincent Poy , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-Reply-To: <26230.860883125@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I know of one ISP who had 3 machines doing the work of one (everything > split out, as you say, but with only 200 customers) and it only increased > the maintainance headache to *no* gain whatsoever. 3 machines to secure, > 3 machines to maintain, it was evil. I stuck all the services back > on ONE machine again and made a 2nd one a redundant spare for the 1st, > with all of its important files rsync'd over nightly. The 3rd machine > then came free to go to someone's house or something. :-) But 200 customers is not an ISP, that's a hobby ;) As far as maintaining 3, well, seal them off to the world; the shell machine is really the major risk. Plus, if you standardize on one OS (like FBSD) and one release, things you folks provide us like CVSUP make maintenance a breeze. I maintain a dozen machines along with one other person, and it got really easy once we got an OS that worked. It's a nice learning environment that really pays off in the long run. You end up writing scripts to do such tasks as blowing your nose :) Charles From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 17:39:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05755 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unique.usn.blaze.net.au (unique.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05747; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by unique.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01871; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:38:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19970413103855.23362@usn.blaze.net.au> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:38:55 +1000 From: David Nugent To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Adam David , Jacob Suter , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer usernames References: <199704121744.RAA26331@veda.is> <11156.860882081@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e In-Reply-To: <11156.860882081@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat Apr 12 14:54:41 EST 1997 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat Apr 12 14:54:41 EST 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > It would appear it support 16 charector limits right now on my stock > > > 2.2.1r boxes. I haven't tested it though. > > > > Would someone please tell me how to enable 16-char logins on stock 2.2.1R, > > much appreciated. > > Use the search tool, Luke! :-) And cvs log entries. There were a few other subtle changes that have leaked through since. FWIW, FreeBSD-current supports *15* character login names, not 16. In addition to the headers, there was a problem with the 'proc' struct in the kernel (setlogin(), I think) and a few userland changes involved as well where the size was assumed to be 8. The only unresolved problem I know about is in libskey, which currently truncates the size of the username to significant characters [skeylogin.c]. Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 12 21:56:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15679 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15673 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA16518; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:56:10 -0700 (PDT) To: spork cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Vincent Poy , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:07:01 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:56:10 -0700 Message-ID: <16514.860907370@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But 200 customers is not an ISP, that's a hobby ;) You're clearly not very familiar with the rural ISP market. 200 is actually pretty good when you're trying to connect up folks in Podunk, Iowa. :-) Also, there seems to be a new phenomenon I've noticed more and more in the ISP market - ISPs which stay deliberately small, more sort of "internet access clubs" than anything else. They get to around 200-300 people and then *refuse* any new people, chosing instead to remain a small and manageable size. For some operators, all they want is a small community of users which generate enough revenue to keep the business going and pay the upstream provider's bills. More than that is only a hassle, and so they avoid it. In any case, I certainly take your point about the *general* merits of splitting things up, I simply wanted to also make the point that it's not always necessary and can, in fact, be more of a detriment to your operations if you don't actually need that much horsepower. Jordan