From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 04:18:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09105 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09099 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wafxu-0000fy-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:16:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:16:54 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: dennis cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970607120556.00bbf234@etinc.com> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Anyone got any views about bandd versus emerging technology's product? >>Guess we should have a good play over the w/e to at least get a good idea >>of the installation/features if not performance ober time / under load. > >Shall we compare a Porsche to a bicycle next? If the case is that easy to make I'd be interested in seeing it made. Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 05:54:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11617 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA11612 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wahTL-0000ks-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:53:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:53:27 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Micro$oft FrontPage extensions? In-Reply-To: <339a1c91.1448161@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't there Frontpage "bots" that will >run only on NT? >From what I've heard from a couple of people running frontpage extensions on UNIX for virtual web server customers - the main problem is that people want/expect to hook up to other programs via frontpage such as access as a database etc. It's here that naturally you can't offer the full range of services potentially available via a frontpage client. Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 07:48:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14932 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14927 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wajEq-0000yU-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:46:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:46:36 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain Reply-To: Manar Hussain To: Luigi Rizzo cc: dennis , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter In-Reply-To: <199706072008.WAA03112@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same >> price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access >> capability.. >> and with the bandwidth manager there is not accounting headaches 'cause >> they cant get more than they pay for. > >Dennis, this sounds like an overstatement. Fair does not necessarily >mean 'all equals', there can be different weights for different >users depending on how much they pay for, and the fairness is in >making everyone get what he pays for. Hard limiting the bw for >each user as you seem to suggest prevents eveyone from taking >advantage of statistical multiplexing, which, given the burstiness >of network traffic, is very rewarding for all. Exactly. There are a whole host of ways I can fairly happily limit each hosts bandwidth if I'm not bothered by these limits being "soft". The aim of the game is to be able to confidently offer a minimum level of service (which they can specify and thus pay for) but let people make more out of it if they can. Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 08:52:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17404 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17397 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28726; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970608115040.006b1a80@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 11:50:50 -0400 To: Manar Hussain From: Dennis Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:46 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >>> There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same >>> price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access >>> capability.. >>> and with the bandwidth manager there is not accounting headaches 'cause >>> they cant get more than they pay for. >> >>Dennis, this sounds like an overstatement. Fair does not necessarily >>mean 'all equals', there can be different weights for different >>users depending on how much they pay for, and the fairness is in >>making everyone get what he pays for. Hard limiting the bw for >>each user as you seem to suggest prevents eveyone from taking >>advantage of statistical multiplexing, which, given the burstiness >>of network traffic, is very rewarding for all. The BurstManager takes care of that aspect....but with heavy usage hard limits are the only way to guarantee "fairness". Otherwise you just have a crapshoot. And this also depends on what you are selling. If you are selling 56kbs access, the "hard limits" simulate putting their server on a 56kbs connection, which is exactly what they expect, and exactly what they are paying for. The BurstManager only enforces the limits when a certain threshold is met, which lets you have your cake and eat it too. Your "statistical multiplexing" statement is interesting, because the fact that it is inherently *unfair* is exactly why you need a bandwidth manager. > >Exactly. There are a whole host of ways I can fairly happily limit each >hosts bandwidth if I'm not bothered by these limits being "soft". The aim >of the game is to be able to confidently offer a minimum level of service >(which they can specify and thus pay for) but let people make more out of >it if they can. Which you can only do if you have a lot more bandwidth than you need with soft limits. The other problem with bandd that I see is that you are indirectly cheating everyone because its likely to totally pig-out your machine under load. Of course if you only plan on having a few customers then this is not a factor. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 08:53:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17498 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17488 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28741; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970608115227.006b4a24@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 11:52:29 -0400 To: Manar Hussain From: Dennis Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:16 PM 6/8/97 +0100, Manar Hussain wrote: >>>Anyone got any views about bandd versus emerging technology's product? >>>Guess we should have a good play over the w/e to at least get a good idea >>>of the installation/features if not performance ober time / under load. >> >>Shall we compare a Porsche to a bicycle next? > >If the case is that easy to make I'd be interested in seeing it made. If you are going a very short distance they will both get you there eventually. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 09:20:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19295 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nexis.net (customer-1.ican.net [198.133.36.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19284 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by nexis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01502; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: James FitzGibbon To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micro$oft FrontPage extensions? In-Reply-To: <339a1c91.1448161@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Russ Panula wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't there Frontpage "bots" that will > run only on NT? You can build a custom bot for NT, yes, but the default FP bots come as part of the shtml.exe that ships with the extensions. These include the bots that let you do discussion boards and search pages. -- j. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 10:06:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25669 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25496 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA13322 for isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:04:53 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01997 for isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:31:19 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706080331.LAA01997@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: PPP problems. To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:31:18 +0800 (TSD) Reply-To: vas@vas.tsu.tomsk.su In-Reply-To: <3397C412.AB9A87F9@concentric.net> from "Joshua Fielden" at "Jun 6, 97 02:02:26 am" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joshua Fielden wrote: > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill Gates? -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 17:13:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23871 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.psinet.net.au (obiwan.psinet.net.au [203.19.28.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23866 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.psinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03317; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:52:36 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:52:35 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: vas@vas.tsu.tomsk.su cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP problems. In-Reply-To: <199706080331.LAA01997@vas.tomsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > Joshua Fielden wrote: > > > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? > > I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in > internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill > Gates? I certainly don't receive money from Bill :-) Thing is, with larger ISPs, the clueful unix people are usually the administrators, and are generally kept *AWAY* from user support. The droids DOING user support dont know anything about unix, and so .. :) -- Adrian Chadd | "Unix doesn't stop you from doing | stupid things because that would | stop you from doing clever things" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 17:31:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24516 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.neuronet.com.my (neuronet.com.my [202.184.153.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24511 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from love.com.my by duke.neuronet.com.my; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/25Jul96-0519PM) id AA06438; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:30:28 +0800 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:30:28 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609082400.00dbda38@neuronet.com.my> X-Sender: sweeting@neuronet.com.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: chas Subject: 2 error messages may shed light on mailhub problem ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Last week I asked for help regarding customers being unable to collect mail from a mailhub I am running on a FreeBSD box with several virtual domains (implemented through changes to rule S98 of sendmail). Thanks to everyone for the advice though I could not pinpoint the error in my configuration. As mentioned, we are not an ISP. So the customer connects via dial up to one of this country's 2 ISPs. I have noticed 2 error messages only appear on the console the past week. These are : NAA00753: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from btr-21-101.tm.net.my, from= Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA28509 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28495 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20496; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706090228.UAA20496@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: chas Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 error messages may shed light on mailhub problem ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609082400.00dbda38@neuronet.com.my> References: <3.0.32.19970609082400.00dbda38@neuronet.com.my> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > NAA00753: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from > btr-21-101.tm.net.my, from= btr-21-101.tm.net.my I used to see these when my boss MAC running Eudora got confused with DNS things. Since he switched to a PC he's never seen them since, so I suspect a bug in MacTCP. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 19:34:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA28788 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28767 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.l321.omsk.net.ru [127.0.0.1]) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11539; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:33:12 +0700 (OSD) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:33:12 +0700 (OSD) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: Jim Jagielski cc: et@space.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micro$oft FrontPage extensions? In-Reply-To: <199706061446.KAA01103@devsys.jaguNET.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > I agree with you, but you may setup Apache to not allow access to run > > MS FP Ext. binary extensions... > > I may not be getting the point, but if you don't allow Apache to > run the binary extensions, why install them? .htaccess in /_vti/_vti_adm ( and other dirs...) that allow access only trusted machines... Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 20:43:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01633 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01628 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06627 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Waiting for reply... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I run a FreeBSD 2.2.1 release server on a PPro w/64 MB of Ram with Server version Stronghold/1.3.4 Ben-SSL/1.3 Apache/1.1.3.. Certain web requests just seem to be waiting for reply forever. It seems to be the same files over and over (like a small background image). I am doing into the same ISP where we get our link, and our bandwidth is less then 10% utilized. Anyone know what could be causing this? Any help would be appreciated. Dev Chanchani From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 21:39:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA03900 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03895 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00607; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I run a FreeBSD 2.2.1 release server on a PPro w/64 MB of Ram with > Server version Stronghold/1.3.4 Ben-SSL/1.3 Apache/1.1.3.. > Certain web requests just seem to be waiting for reply forever. It seems > to be the same files over and over (like a small background image). I am > doing into the same ISP where we get our link, and our bandwidth is less > then 10% utilized. Anyone know what could be causing this? > Not sure if this is related, but regardless, you should upgrade to Apache 1.2. Many security/performance improvements. Try upgrading and see if it fixes your problem. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 21:58:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA04462 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04455 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00799; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:01:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: Bernie Doehner cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I have been playing with the problem, it gets really _wierd_.. Lets say two files, works.gif and hang.gif. myserver.com>I type telnet www.myserver.com 80 GET /graphics/hang.gif another_network.com>telnet www.myserver.com 80 GET /graphics/hang.gif So basically, any machine on our network can retrieve the file fine, machines outside are network just cause the web server to hand.. BTW: works.gif will retrieve the file from my network and outside networks. Even if I rename the files back and forth, the original hang.gif (no matter waht the name) will not transfer if the request is outside our network. Now it gets wierd.. myserver.com> ftp myserver.com login as me put hang.gif puts into my home directory fine myserver.com> ftp anotherserver.com login as my friend put hang.gif ftp just HANGS this file will transfer between various machines in our network fine and load into the browser, etc, but not outside our network. Cannot ftp the file out either. other files (even with the same name) ftp in and out fine. The file has been republished through the graphics program, still will not transfer. Any ideas? Dev On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > > I run a FreeBSD 2.2.1 release server on a PPro w/64 MB of Ram with > > Server version Stronghold/1.3.4 Ben-SSL/1.3 Apache/1.1.3.. > > > Certain web requests just seem to be waiting for reply forever. It seems > > to be the same files over and over (like a small background image). I am > > doing into the same ISP where we get our link, and our bandwidth is less > > then 10% utilized. Anyone know what could be causing this? > > > > Not sure if this is related, but regardless, you should upgrade to Apache > 1.2. > > Many security/performance improvements. Try upgrading and see if it fixes > your problem. > > Bernie > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 8 22:44:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05991 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05986 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id BAA27416; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id BAA06803; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:44:15 -0400 (EDT) To: Dev Chanchani cc: Bernie Doehner , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:01:38 EDT." Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:44:15 -0400 Message-ID: <6794.865835055@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dev Chanchani wrote in message ID : > The file has been republished through the graphics program, still will not > transfer. Tried turning off TCP extensions? Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 02:31:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13592 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA13587; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA04408; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:57:32 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706090657.IAA04408@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:57:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970608115040.006b1a80@etinc.com> from "Dennis" at Jun 8, 97 11:50:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -hackers, Bcc to -isp] > At 03:46 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote: > >>> There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same > >>> price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access ... > >>Dennis, this sounds like an overstatement. Fair does not necessarily > >>mean 'all equals', there can be different weights for different > >>users depending on how much they pay for, and the fairness is in > >>making everyone get what he pays for. Hard limiting the bw for ... > The BurstManager takes care of that aspect....but with heavy usage > hard limits are the only way to guarantee "fairness". Otherwise you > just have a crapshoot. The thing I am currently working on is a replacement for the IF_ENQUEUE/IF_DEQUEUE macros used in the lowest layers of the networking code (see http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/newifqueue.h for an incomplete implementation, just to get the idea) These modified macros store packets in per-flow queues (where classification can be done in several different ways, but basing on the source IP and possibly source port seems one of the most practical ways), which are then handled with round robin policy. The above is adequate if all flows are allowed to use the same share of the output BW, and the code doing the above thing only takes constant time (and probably a very small overhead like 1us/packet on a reasonably modern machine -- although I don't have data). If implemented at a router driving a bottleneck, it would solve some problems. On top of this you can add all sorts of manipulations, e.g. implement a leaky bucket on each queue so as to implement BW management. If you actually modify the leaky bucket algorithm, by removing packets from queues not at a fixed rate, but once per round of the RR queue, then you have a form of adaptive rate limitation where the relative weight of each flow is preserved, but the bw limitation is not hard. I think (although have not implemented it yet) that this can be implemented in small constant time as well. If someone is interested on working on this I will be glad to exchange ideas/code. Given the clean interface between network stack and drivers, it seems an easy task from the implementation point of view (the only difficulty being in developing a suitable user interface to program flow weights and flow classification policies). All the above is mostly useful in a router, and almost useless in a end-user node (unless you want to implement the hard BW-management only). Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 03:22:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15713 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 03:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15697; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 03:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13613; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA04408; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:57:32 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706090657.IAA04408@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:57:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970608115040.006b1a80@etinc.com> from "Dennis" at Jun 8, 97 11:50:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -hackers, Bcc to -isp] > At 03:46 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote: > >>> There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same > >>> price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access ... > >>Dennis, this sounds like an overstatement. Fair does not necessarily > >>mean 'all equals', there can be different weights for different > >>users depending on how much they pay for, and the fairness is in > >>making everyone get what he pays for. Hard limiting the bw for ... > The BurstManager takes care of that aspect....but with heavy usage > hard limits are the only way to guarantee "fairness". Otherwise you > just have a crapshoot. The thing I am currently working on is a replacement for the IF_ENQUEUE/IF_DEQUEUE macros used in the lowest layers of the networking code (see http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/newifqueue.h for an incomplete implementation, just to get the idea) These modified macros store packets in per-flow queues (where classification can be done in several different ways, but basing on the source IP and possibly source port seems one of the most practical ways), which are then handled with round robin policy. The above is adequate if all flows are allowed to use the same share of the output BW, and the code doing the above thing only takes constant time (and probably a very small overhead like 1us/packet on a reasonably modern machine -- although I don't have data). If implemented at a router driving a bottleneck, it would solve some problems. On top of this you can add all sorts of manipulations, e.g. implement a leaky bucket on each queue so as to implement BW management. If you actually modify the leaky bucket algorithm, by removing packets from queues not at a fixed rate, but once per round of the RR queue, then you have a form of adaptive rate limitation where the relative weight of each flow is preserved, but the bw limitation is not hard. I think (although have not implemented it yet) that this can be implemented in small constant time as well. If someone is interested on working on this I will be glad to exchange ideas/code. Given the clean interface between network stack and drivers, it seems an easy task from the implementation point of view (the only difficulty being in developing a suitable user interface to program flow weights and flow classification policies). All the above is mostly useful in a router, and almost useless in a end-user node (unless you want to implement the hard BW-management only). Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 06:21:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21834 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21829 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wb4N6-0002z2-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:20:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:20:32 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Dennis cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970608115227.006b4a24@etinc.com> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>Shall we compare a Porsche to a bicycle next? >> >>If the case is that easy to make I'd be interested in seeing it made. > >If you are going a very short distance they will both get you there >eventually. that's crass (a) it again tells me absolutely nothing about why you're product is so much better other than you think it's obvious (b) on seconds thoughts if the best you can do is the equivalent of "going a very short distance they will both get you there eventually" then I wouldn't bother. Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 06:56:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23380 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23322 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) id UAA04909 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:55:25 +0700 (OSD) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:55:25 +0700 (OSD) From: Eugeny Kuzakov Message-Id: <199706091355.UAA04909@lab321.ru> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Is mail list alive ? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 07:15:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24071 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24058 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA22436; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199706091414.KAA22436@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: disconnect during first 60 secs? To: portmaster-users@livingston.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are a small ISP using Livingston PM-2E/30s and USR MP-16 modem racks. We are having recurring disconnect problems. They usually occur during the first 60 seconds that someone is connected. If users manage to get through the first 60 or 90 seconds, the connection is generally rock-solid. We are using ComOS version 3.3.2c1 and radius authentication on a FreeBSD 2.1.5+ system. The reason that radius invariably gives is Lost-Carrier. Where should we start to look? Is it a noisy phone line problem, a modem init string problem, or something else. Thanks in advance for any advice about what we should be looking for. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 08:16:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27005 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.4d.net [207.137.157.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26998 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00641; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmm. Has any of the following changed things? 1. Upgrade apache to 1.2 2. turn of tcp_extensions 3. check if your gateway is also firewalling. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 09:00:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28821 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (mailrelay1.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28803 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19318; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:59:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19970609165934.44723@pavilion.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:59:34 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Bernie Doehner on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 11:17:32AM -0400 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 11:17:32AM -0400, Bernie Doehner wrote: > Hmm. > > Has any of the following changed things? > > 1. Upgrade apache to 1.2 Is this a concern? I'm running 1.1.3 on a production machine and am about to upgrade it to 1.2. Is this going to be straight-forward, or am I going to have to take anything into account? Your comments would be much welcomed. Joe > 2. turn of tcp_extensions > 3. check if your gateway is also firewalling. > > Bernie -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager Email: joe@pavilion.net Pavilion Internet plc. [Tel: +44 1273 607072 Fax: +44 1273 607073] From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 09:02:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28957 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28944 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA03183 for isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970609120101_-1228661554@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Can FreeBSD and Radius be used for a CyberCafe? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, Maybe I didn't make my self clear. The Livingston PM3 is to be used by my dial-up Customers only! Thus PAP/CHAP authentication of CyberCafe customers can't be done from the PM3. At the CyberCafe, my customers would have an account for E-mail, and Internet access. In order for the customer to access their E-mail, or the Internet they would need a password to login into one of 10 workstations that is directly connected to a 100MB/s LAN. How would I authenticate the customers as all 10 workstations will require a password to access the Internet? RADIUS? I would like to use RADIUS, as I plan to purchase the URIBS billing system to bill my dial-up & and possibile the CyberCafe customers. Thanks, Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 09:29:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29981 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29975 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08039; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609122212.00c35210@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:22:20 -0400 To: Manar Hussain From: dennis Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter Cc: Luigi Rizzo , isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:20 PM 6/9/97 +0100, you wrote: >>>>Shall we compare a Porsche to a bicycle next? >>> >>>If the case is that easy to make I'd be interested in seeing it made. >> >>If you are going a very short distance they will both get you there >>eventually. > >that's crass > >(a) it again tells me absolutely nothing about why you're product is so >much better other than you think it's obvious > >(b) on seconds thoughts if the best you can do is the equivalent of "going >a very short distance they will both get you there eventually" then I >wouldn't bother. Well, if you read Luigi's lastest postings you'll know the answer, since it appears that his goal is to have something almost as good as what we already do (although it would only control transmit). Note that we also rejected the "leaky bucket" because it fundamentally doesnt work well for what most people seem to want. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 10:17:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02801 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02796 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA18558; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:18:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Greg Skafte Message-Id: <199706091718.LAA18558@gras-varg.worldgate.com> Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD and Radius be used for a CyberCafe? To: Hetzels@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <970609120101_-1228661554@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Hetzels@aol.com" at "Jun 9, 97 12:01:42 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, Maybe I didn't make my self clear. > > The Livingston PM3 is to be used by my dial-up Customers only! Thus PAP/CHAP > authentication of CyberCafe customers can't be done from the PM3. > > At the CyberCafe, my customers would have an account for E-mail, and Internet > access. In order for the customer to access their E-mail, or the Internet > they would need a password to login into one of 10 workstations that is > directly connected to a 100MB/s LAN. > > How would I authenticate the customers as all 10 workstations will require a > password to access the Internet? RADIUS? > > I would like to use RADIUS, as I plan to purchase the URIBS billing system to > bill my dial-up & and possibile the CyberCafe customers. > > Thanks, > > Scot W. Hetzel > simple ... Dialup users have a radius entry, lan customers do not, And DO NOT have a Default user profile. For the LAN you can use nis to share passwds between workstations or there are some hacks for login to allow it to use radius and then setup a seperate radiusd for lan access.... -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- PGP 2.6.2 Key fingerprint = 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte/ http://www.worldgate.com/ -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 10:23:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03144 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03139 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA05056; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:47:52 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706091647.SAA05056@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ETinc's Bandwidth limiter To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:47:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: manar@ivision.co.uk, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609122212.00c35210@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Jun 9, 97 12:22:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, if you read Luigi's lastest postings you'll know the answer, > since it appears that his goal is to have something almost as good > as what we already do previously mentioned as "the Porsche" ... :) Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 10:30:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03618 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.4d.net [207.137.157.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03609 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01279; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Josef Karthauser cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Waiting for reply... In-Reply-To: <19970609165934.44723@pavilion.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 1. Upgrade apache to 1.2 > > Is this a concern? I'm running 1.1.3 on a production machine and am > about to upgrade it to 1.2. Is this going to be straight-forward, or > am I going to have to take anything into account? Not sure. 1.1.3 is so old, I don't even remmember when I first ran a 1.2 beta. Still uses same Configuration/make procedure, but I am sure there are new modules. You'll probably have to edit the new Configuration file ot your liking. Regarding the .conf files, I don't think anything changed. Oh yea.. proxying works a lot better in 1.2. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 11:10:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05776 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05755 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA23571; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:37:10 GMT Message-ID: <339C4625.7590@seychelles.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:06:29 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: portmaster-users@livingston.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Router Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any one heard of a compaq NETELLIGENT router 8500 communication platform? If so how does it compare with Cisco2500 series. -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 12:06:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08627 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout29.mail.aol.com (emout29.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08606 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA21241 for isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970609150447_272329011@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD and Radius be used for a CyberCafe? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-06-09 13:17:37 EDT, skafte@worldgate.com (Greg Skafte) wrote: << simple ... Dialup users have a radius entry, lan customers do not, And DO NOT have a Default user profile. For the LAN you can use nis to share passwds between workstations or there are some hacks for login to allow it to use radius and then setup a seperate radiusd for lan access.... >> OK. What are the hacks to login to get it to use a radius server? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 12:23:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09513 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unagi.cybernothing.org (unagi.cybernothing.org [207.96.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09507 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jdfalk@localhost) by unagi.cybernothing.org (8.8.5/8.8.5/JDF-9705.06) id PAA24228; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970609152323.25574@cybernothing.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:23:23 -0400 From: "J.D. Falk" To: muditha@seychelles.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Router References: <339C4625.7590@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <339C4625.7590@seychelles.net> [9706.09] X-Editor: nvi X-Comment: Stop e-mail spam for good! http://www.cauce.org/ Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Removed portmaster-users, since I'm not a member of that list.] On Jun 9, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Any one heard of a compaq NETELLIGENT router 8500 communication > platform? > > If so how does it compare with Cisco2500 series. I've heard of "routers" that were actually just Compaqs running Linux and GateD...is this one of 'em? If so, I've heard mixed reviews, as I have of any GateD-based solution. IMHO, Cisco /is/ the standard, and the only reason to go with anything else would have to be the price. But, as always, it depends heavily on what your requirements are. -- J.D. Falk, Network Operations Center Supervisor +1 (415) 482-2840 Priori Networks, Inc. http://www.priori.net "The people you know. The people you trust." From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 12:32:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10112 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voltage.net ([208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10107 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from susiewar (stimpy.voltage.net [208.15.104.67]) by voltage.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26987 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609143155.0069d9dc@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@voltage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:31:58 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Cyclades and stuff :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to talk with someone who is using Cyclades cards (or really any multi-port card), specifically if anyone has setup a homemade "term server" with the Cyclades in a seperate machine. Mainly what we're needing to figure out is how to have the machine housing the Cyclades be able to safely access the passwd file on the main server. But any other suggestions or input to possible problems with this setup are also appreciated :) Right now we have two Cyclades cards in the main server, but we will be needing to add more and didn't really want to just keep cramming more cards into the main server. It may be easier/cheaper in the long run to just go with a PortMaster, but we already have the Cyclades cards here, so we would like to use them if it is feasible. Also, we have 7 brand new, still in the box USR Sportster 33.6 external modems for $100 each that we won't be using if anyone is interested. TIA Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 15:04:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17335 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17330 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12471 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Eddie.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.32]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09599 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:05:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <339C7CE3.4F7D@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:07:54 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.com Subject: IP Addressing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, call me ignorant. I asked my ISP for another class C address and this is what he sent me. Can anybody explain this to me? My guess is that it's a class B subnet and 4 class C's. Is that correct? 209.75.130/22(255.255.252)(4nets:209.75.224-227) - eaznet.com Thanks for your help! Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 15:12:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17594 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17589 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA19383; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:21:38 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:21:38 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Hetzels@aol.com cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Can FreeBSD and Radius be used for a CyberCafe? In-Reply-To: <970609120101_-1228661554@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think the point of confusion here lies in what you are calling a workstation. I assume for simplicity's sake you are using win95 machines or Macs at the cafe itself, correct? If so, you cannot hack win95 to let people "login" to the workstation for general access to the machine itself. You would be best served in a situation like this by setting up a small NT box that would act as a server for your win95 machines. It could require a login to access the machine and also keep people from adding/deleting things on the win95 workstations (people will play). To check their email, they would run Eudora, Exchange or whatever and use their Unix password to get mail. When they login from home, they could use the same password for dial-in access. Radius could be set up to authenticate them off the Unix PW file... People who have mail accounts but no dial-up access, could just be given a shell of /bin/false and Radius would not let them dial in, as it checks if the user has a valid shell... The difficulty here is in giving people workstation access. 95 is not terribly easy to work with, and all the "cybercafes" I've seen in NYC rely on a simple screensaver password to keep people off the workstation until they pay. Pretty cheezy, but that's what they do... The NT solution is more elegant, but takes some decent NT knowledge to set up. Charles On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 Hetzels@aol.com wrote: > Ok, Maybe I didn't make my self clear. > > The Livingston PM3 is to be used by my dial-up Customers only! Thus PAP/CHAP > authentication of CyberCafe customers can't be done from the PM3. > > At the CyberCafe, my customers would have an account for E-mail, and Internet > access. In order for the customer to access their E-mail, or the Internet > they would need a password to login into one of 10 workstations that is > directly connected to a 100MB/s LAN. > > How would I authenticate the customers as all 10 workstations will require a > password to access the Internet? RADIUS? > > I would like to use RADIUS, as I plan to purchase the URIBS billing system to > bill my dial-up & and possibile the CyberCafe customers. > > Thanks, > > Scot W. Hetzel > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 15:54:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19295 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from december.real.net.au (root@december.real.net.au [203.25.56.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19277 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pyromaniac (www.kemenys.com.au [203.17.240.90]) by december.real.net.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA31657 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:53:40 +1000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970610085340.00ae7a80@pop.real.net.au> X-Sender: richard@pop.real.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:53:40 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Richard Laxton Subject: Intel EtherExpress vs DEC PCI chipsets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am building a quad ethernet router with FreeBSD at this moment. It is going to be doing a lot of filtering and IP accounting but nothing else. At the moment I am considering the following: ASUS P55T2P4/C Motherboard Intel Pentium 200 CPU IDE HDD (ST52520A) Generic ISA video 32Mb or 64Mb of RAM 4 x 10/100 Mb Ethernet cards Now there are a few things that I would like some help with. Firstly with a machine that is performing only routing tasks (RIP routing protiocols only) with a *total* of maybe 10-15Mbits/sec across all ports, is there any advantage to getting 64Mb of RAM vs 32Mb? My thought would be to go 64Mb but accounts departmet always ask... Secondly, Do I use Intel EtherExpress 100B TX cards or the DEC 240xx type cards? Does either have a CPU advantage? Are there any stability issues with either card? What are people's experiences? I have seen conflicting reports from this list ranging from "don't get the intel" to ftp.cdrom.com uses the intel (so it must be good). Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Richard. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 16:24:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20669 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20663 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13751 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net ([199.125.1.6]) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16132 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01691; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA06661; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706092320.TAA06661@server.id.net> Subject: Re: IP Addressing In-Reply-To: <339C7CE3.4F7D@eaznet.com> from Eddie Fry at "Jun 9, 97 03:07:54 pm" To: eddie@eaznet.com (Eddie Fry) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK, call me ignorant. I asked my ISP for another class C address and > this is what he sent me. Can anybody explain this to me? My guess is > that it's a class B subnet and 4 class C's. Is that correct? > > 209.75.130/22(255.255.252)(4nets:209.75.224-227) - eaznet.com That is more or less correct, although technically they don't own what officially used to be known as a "Class B", they own the equivilent. ATMNET (NETBLK-ATMNET-BLK4) 5440 Morehouse Dr, #4500 San Diego, CA 92121 Netname: ATMNET-BLK4 Netblock: 209.75.0.0 - 209.75.255.255 Maintainer: ATM ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE They have 255 class C's assigned to them, and they are giving you what looks like 4 of them. -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 16:24:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20692 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20687 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13755 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16157 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23307; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: IP Addressing In-Reply-To: <339C7CE3.4F7D@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Check out the CIDR FAQ at http://www.rain.net/faqs/cidr.faq.html It explains the prefix notation and provides a link to RFC 1878 which also explains it. Try not to get bogged down in "classes". They seemed like a good idea at the time but are now obsolete because "in the beginning" a global Internet with tens of thousands of routes was not in mind. pbd -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > OK, call me ignorant. I asked my ISP for another class C address and > this is what he sent me. Can anybody explain this to me? My guess is > that it's a class B subnet and 4 class C's. Is that correct? > > 209.75.130/22(255.255.252)(4nets:209.75.224-227) - eaznet.com > > Thanks for your help! > Eddie > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 17:42:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24872 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24866 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13987 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA09929; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199706100042.RAA09929@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: IP Addressing To: rls@mail.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: eddie@eaznet.com, isp@freebsd.com In-Reply-To: <199706092320.TAA06661@server.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Jun 9, 97 07:20:10 pm Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > OK, call me ignorant. I asked my ISP for another class C address and > > this is what he sent me. Can anybody explain this to me? My guess is > > that it's a class B subnet and 4 class C's. Is that correct? > > > > 209.75.130/22(255.255.252)(4nets:209.75.224-227) - eaznet.com > > That is more or less correct, although technically they don't own what > officially used to be known as a "Class B", they own the equivilent. Actually, shouldn't the CIDR block be given as 209.75.224.0/22, assuming the range of "224-227" is correct? 209.75.130.0/22 isn't even valid... -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 17:44:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25036 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25031 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA15731; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:44:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Susie Ward cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cyclades and stuff :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609143155.0069d9dc@voltage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We use Comtrol RocketPort 32port PCI cards in Linux (no flames please), NetBSD and FreeBSD systems for dialup. We also use PM2 and PM3s too. All authenticating to a RADIUS server. On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Susie Ward wrote: > I would like to talk with someone who is using Cyclades cards (or really > any multi-port card), specifically if anyone has setup a homemade "term > server" with the Cyclades in a seperate machine. Mainly what we're needing > to figure out is how to have the machine housing the Cyclades be able to > safely access the passwd file on the main server. But any other suggestions > or input to possible problems with this setup are also appreciated :) Right > now we have two Cyclades cards in the main server, but we will be needing > to add more and didn't really want to just keep cramming more cards into > the main server. It may be easier/cheaper in the long run to just go with a > PortMaster, but we already have the Cyclades cards here, so we would like > to use them if it is feasible. > > Also, we have 7 brand new, still in the box USR Sportster 33.6 external > modems for $100 each that we won't be using if anyone is interested. > > TIA > > Susie > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 17:55:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25915 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25898 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02337; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100055.RAA02337@implode.root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Richard Laxton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress vs DEC PCI chipsets In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:53:40 +1000." <3.0.1.32.19970610085340.00ae7a80@pop.real.net.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:55:22 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Secondly, Do I use Intel EtherExpress 100B TX cards or the DEC 240xx type >cards? Does either have a CPU advantage? Are there any stability issues >with either card? What are people's experiences? I have seen conflicting >reports from this list ranging from "don't get the intel" to ftp.cdrom.com >uses the intel (so it must be good). The Intel Pro/100B driver is much more CPU efficient than the DEC driver and is well supported by the author (me). The only known problem at the moment is that the newer Pro/100B's have a different PHY chip that the driver doesn't yet know about and this results in full duplex operation not working with those cards. This is a temporary situation, however, and will be fixed as soon as I get one of the newer cards, the proper documentation, and my ethernet switch working again. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 19:21:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01535 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01510; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA13783; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:45:31 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199706100245.CAA13783@veda.is> Subject: wiring ppp? devices To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:45:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know how to reserve (for instance) ppp0 so that only /dev/ttyd0 can ever claim it? How is it done, and where should I be looking for this information? -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 21:39:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08702 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08692 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevier ([207.147.160.74]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15701 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:38:56 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609213916.006b3a5c@mail.netsonic.com> X-Sender: crevier@mail.netsonic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:39:20 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scott Crevier Subject: Front Page error message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD 2.2.1 and Apache 1.2b7. Both are working just fine. I know FP is not officially supported on FreeBSD but I've heard about ISPs using it successfully. I'm installing the FP server extensions to a virtual host per the instructions at: http://www.rtr.com/fpsupport/UnixInstall.html and http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/wpp/kit/unixinstall.htm I ran the following command: ./fp_install -host www.frozentundra.com -web / -user crevier All looked well until it got to step 14. Here's the output from there: ----[begin]---- Step 14: Set Security For The Web Administrator (using fpsrvadm.exe) Starting security, port: www.frozentundra.com:80, web: "/usr/local/www/html" Version: 2.0.2.1125 Created: 05 Jun 1997 00:03:14 CDT Invalid character in web name "/usr/local/www/html": (0x2f). chown: /usr/www/crevier/tundra/_vti_pvt/access.cnf: No such file or directory chown: /usr/www/crevier/tundra/_vti_pvt/service.grp: No such file or directory chown: /usr/www/crevier/tundra/_vti_pvt/service.pwd: No such file or directory Remember to restart the server so that the new ScriptAlias directives take effect. Installation Complete. ----[end]---- There's a FAQ at http://www.rtr.com/fpsupport/faq2.htm that mentions this message but the solution it suggests is to put quotes around certain options. This does not work; I still get the same message. I tried running just the 'fp_install' command by itself. It prompted me for the needed info as I expected and I still got the same error message. I looked in the fp_install perl script. I tracked down the error as being caused by the script running the following command (I printed it before running it): fpsrvadm.exe -o security -p www.frozentundra.com:80 -w www.frozentundra.com -u crevier -pw hhh -i *.*.*.* Quite honestly, I don't know what is expected by the -web option to the 'fp_install' command. The install instructions say something about a web name, but I have no idea what a web name is. I know my server root, my domain names, and pretty much everything else about the web site; I just don't know what a web name is. No matter what I try, I keep getting the exact same error message. 'Invalid character in web name "/usr/local/www/html": (0x2f).' I suspect that this error has something to do with the errors that follow it regarding no such file, but I don't know that for sure. The path given in the message is the path to the root directory of the main web site on this server. I figured out that the '0x2f' indicates that it does not like a slash character, however, I'm not sure. Again, the system and web server are running just fine. I just cannot get FP to install properly and I'd appreciate any assistance I could get. Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Scott M. Crevier Webmaster Resources: http://www.crevier.org Web Publishing Info: http://www.smcnet.com Green Bay Packers : http://www.southendzone.com Packer Stadiums : http://www.frozentundra.com Anaheim Angels : http://www.angelsdugout.com Personal Home Page : http://www.scottcrevier.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 9 21:46:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09081 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09076 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Eddie.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.30]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10532 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:48:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <339CD4B2.21EF@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:14:50 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Addresses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for the help! I knew some things about addressing, but didn't know anything about CIDR. Thanks for the info! Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 04:51:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA29407 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nethost1.yars.free.net (nethost1.yars.free.net [193.233.48.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29384 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq by nethost1.yars.free.net with UUCP id PAA27711; (8.8.5/vak/1.9) Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:41:01 +0400 (MSD) Received: from freebsd.kari.ru by hq.kari.ru with ESMTP id LAA07044; (8.7.5/vak/1.8r) Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:15:27 GMT Received: by freebsd.kari.ru id PAA00825; (8.7.5/vak/1.9) Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:07:34 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:52:30 +0400 (MSD) Organization: KARI From: "Yury V. Savin" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Wavelan ISA Card??? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, ALL ! Does FreeBSD 2.1.5 support network card Wavelan ISA ? (This is card designed for RadioEthernet) ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Yury V. Savin Date: 06/10/97 Time: 15:07:33 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 05:59:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA02735 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02730 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA05140; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970610085900_321376704@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: spork@super-g.com cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD and Radius be used for a CyberCafe? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-06-09 18:27:38 EDT, spork@super-g.com (spork) writes: << I think the point of confusion here lies in what you are calling a workstation. I assume for simplicity's sake you are using win95 machines or Macs at the cafe itself, correct? If so, you cannot hack win95 to let people "login" to the workstation for general access to the machine itself. >> The O/S for the workstations isn't entirely set in stone. But I was thinking of using either FreeBSD or Win 95, and will probably go with FreeBSD. One concern using FreeBSD for the workstations is Video Conferencing. What Software and Hardware is available for FreeBSD? Can-U-See-Me? Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 07:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06294 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06286 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01565; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Yury V. Savin" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, ALL ! > Does FreeBSD 2.1.5 support network card Wavelan ISA ? No, but drivers are available (from me). How new is your card ? Is it full/half height? The 2.1.5 drivers only work with the old full height, and half height (which don't have the removeable WaveMODEM daugther board). We have a beta class driver that supports the new cards with removeable WaveMODEM, but it won't work with 2.1.5 (2.2 only). You should really think about upgrading that machine to 2.2.2-R. There is at least one serious security problem with 2.1.5. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 09:52:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16014 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16004 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA26209; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199706101648.JAA26209@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: from Bernie Doehner at "Jun 10, 97 10:09:16 am" To: bad@uhf.wireless.net (Bernie Doehner) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:48:54 +0000 () Cc: msav@kari.ru, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi, ALL ! > > Does FreeBSD 2.1.5 support network card Wavelan ISA ? > > No, but drivers are available (from me). How new is your card ? Is it > full/half height? The 2.1.5 drivers only work with the old full height, > and half height (which don't have the removeable WaveMODEM daugther > board). > > We have a beta class driver that supports the new cards with removeable > WaveMODEM, but it won't work with 2.1.5 (2.2 only). Is this different than the work by jrb/msmith that was just recently imported to the 3.0-current branch? If so I would be interested in seeing your version of the driver (I am currently using the code that was imported and it seems to work okay, but it has some quirks that need fixing.) > You should really think about upgrading that machine to 2.2.2-R. There is > at least one serious security problem with 2.1.5. > > Bernie -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 10:08:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17241 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17228 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02584; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msav@kari.ru, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: <199706101648.JAA26209@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is this different than the work by jrb/msmith that was just recently > imported to the 3.0-current branch? If so I would be interested in Same, but the only difference is Peter W.'s changes to the multicast code which are in the 3.0-current version, but haven't been tested at all yet. Will get their real soon. > seeing your version of the driver (I am currently using the code that > was imported and it seems to work okay, but it has some quirks that > need fixing.) Like what? There are too many versions floating around and msmith, jrb, buaas@wireless.wdc.net and myself are trying to make it more stable under 2.2 before moving on. (none of us are running 3.0). Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 10:09:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17303 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17256 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA27834 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:08:18 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id QAA00288 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:53:11 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706100853.QAA00288@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:53:11 +0800 (TSD) Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > > > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? > > > > I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in > > internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill > > Gates? > > I certainly don't receive money from Bill :-) Are you a provider? What is your company's attitude to clients running unix? > > Thing is, with larger ISPs, the clueful unix people are usually the > administrators, and are generally kept *AWAY* from user support. > The droids DOING user support dont know anything about unix, and so .. :) A regular customer only speaks to the support personnel. And suffers from their ignorance. Even if there is a clueful unix person in the company, the general customer is discouraged from using unix by the user support. I think this should be changed, and as soon as possible, too. Admins should say their word. I myself am lucky to have such an ISP who not only discourages me from using unix, but is very helpful and many times has given me a hand and helped me out of difficult situations. Of course, I am trying not to abuse this generosity and prefer to study a lot of things myself because I understand that if I had Win95 I would not ask so many questions (perhaps ;-)) May be I am somehow a special case but I have setup client internet software on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 10:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18928 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.cyber-quest.com (FreeBSD.cyber-quest.com [207.51.80.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18916 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herb.cyber-quest.com (herb.cyber-quest.com [207.51.80.22]) by freebsd.cyber-quest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25155 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <339D9041.64F5@freebsd.cyber-quest.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:34:57 -0400 From: Herb Hall Reply-To: herb.hall@cyber-quest.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: news server source for 95/NT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Dixon wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the > > system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably > > have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be > > as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete > > and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news > > feed. It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking > > about. In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever > > doing anything demanding with NT. > > That's quite true. I do however have experience of doing things with > NT that _aren't_ demanding and watching it fall over. > > -- > Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net > tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 We run FreeBSD, WinNT, Win95, and DOS machines and I can tell you that they all can and do crash. We used to have some Novell servers also, but they crashed more than anything else. They are all good if you get the right combination of Processor, Ram, OS, and software for the specific task you need to accomplish. I have found that the load you place on you server is a major factor that many people leave out. Trying to run everything on one big server is (in my opinon) a real big mistake. We have had great success with building lots of smaller machines that are dedicated to one task. This way we can get away with much cheaper hardware and I don't have to spend all my time trying to resolve config conflict between applications that don't like each other. Herb.Hall@cyber-quest.com Systems Administrator Cyber-Quest, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 12:19:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25740 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hook.hepweb.com ([38.208.69.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25730 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [38.208.69.10] (pan@pan.hepweb.com [38.208.69.10]) by hook.hepweb.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA21020 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101914.MAA21020@hook.hepweb.com> To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Reverse lookup problem Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 12:20:31 -0500 From: "pan@hepweb.com" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: pan@hepweb.com * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I've been experiencing a strange problem. I have my reverse lookup info correctly entered to the satisfaction of my ISP, but when trying to connect to the IRC, the irc servers complain that my reverse lookup is incorrect. Has anyone experienced this? My info looks like this: ________________________________________________________________________ @ IN SOA hook.hepweb.com. pan.hepweb.com. ( 9703203 ; Serial 10900 ; Refresh 300 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 86400 ) ; Minimum IN NS hook.hepweb.com. 2 PTR hook.hepweb.com. 10 PTR pan.hepweb.com. 69.208.38.in-addr.arpa. IN NS sec1.dns.psi.net. 69.208.38.in-addr.arpa. IN NS sec2.dns.psi.net. ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 12:32:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26489 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26474 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wbWdE-0000qO-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:31:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:31:04 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: large number of file handles open Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've heard one can hit problems with some unices running a large number of virtual servers (with say apache) with different log files for each virtual server: the problem being that with 500 virtual servers configured you have say 1000 file handles you'd want open to the log files. Does anyone know if this problem would occur with FreeBSD ??? Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 12:48:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27507 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27497 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA00212; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:45:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:45:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Bernie Doehner cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk how much do these cards run and what is their performance like? On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > > Hi, ALL ! > > Does FreeBSD 2.1.5 support network card Wavelan ISA ? > > No, but drivers are available (from me). How new is your card ? Is it > full/half height? The 2.1.5 drivers only work with the old full height, > and half height (which don't have the removeable WaveMODEM daugther > board). > > We have a beta class driver that supports the new cards with removeable > WaveMODEM, but it won't work with 2.1.5 (2.2 only). > > You should really think about upgrading that machine to 2.2.2-R. There is > at least one serious security problem with 2.1.5. > > Bernie > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 12:56:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28117 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.illumen.net ([209.38.6.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28110 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from barney.du.edu (SL-50.ducomm.du.edu [130.253.6.50]) by mail.illumen.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21756 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:06:03 GMT Message-ID: <339DB082.46D1@illumen.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:52:34 -0600 From: Dave Richards Reply-To: dave@illumen.net Organization: The Illumen Group, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Email store-and-forward + SMTP finger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I've heard that sendmail can be configured to do store-and-forward of email for people/orgs who have a mail server without a full time internet connection. example: company with a mail server in-house and a dialup ISDN line. I know POP3 could be used in a situation like this but alot of folks are asking for store-and-forward these days. Is this right? Does anyone know where to start? A search of the FreeBSD mailing list archives turned a blank. here's part of a document I have explaining the technology: ================================================================ Store. Your ISP's mail server must be configured to store your mail for you. Default Sendmail behaviour is to attempt resends with specific intervals and eventually give up unless it happened to try to send while your connection was up. This will obviously not work reliably in a dial-up environment. Since Sendmail can be painful to set up in the first place, many providers give up at the prospect of setting it to store mail. Infact, there are versions of Sendmail that simply can not be configured for this but instead need to be re-written. Forward. Your ISP's mail server (FingerHost) must be configured to listen to the finger port (79) for a specific commandstring (FingerCommand). This would be your mail server's way of alerting the ISP to make it send stored mail in to your local SMTP server. Both the FingerHost and FingerCommand should be provided by your Internet provider. It is fairly common practice to use the mailhost (MailServerIP) as FingerHost and your Internet domain name (acme.com) as FingerCommand, but it is entirely up to your provider. Also, your provider might give you the finger information on the format fingercommand@fingerhost. ================================================================ ..any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! -- sincerely, Dave ************************************************************ David A Richards Systems Integrator The illumen Group, Inc. http://www.illumen.com Email mailto:dar@illumen.com Personal Web http://www.illumen.com/~dar ************************************************************ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:03:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28595 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28589 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12523 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12951; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199706101954.PAA12951@sabre.goldsword.com> To: alex@comsys.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: US West Pulls Dry Copper Tarrif, Angers ISPs] Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 23:51:58 -0700 alex huppenthal said: >For those of us working to bring out inexpensive high bandwidth >solutions, this bites. US West is afraid to compete on an >even playing field. Call your Senator, write to your PUC and >express your dissatisfaction with this action. > >HDSL is used by the telco's to provision T1 circuits so it >doesn't 'interfere' with adjacent wire pairs. > > -Alex Don't feel bad, ALL the in place telcos are doing it... If I understood what Bell$outh has said, "The tariff may still exist, but we won't give you the circuit..." And well, they do have a point. They use HDSL to carry T-1 circuits, but HDSL isn't the same as ADSL which is what a lot of sites were putting in place. ADSL can effect other circuits in the same bundle, to the extent of effectively dumping your circuit or the T-1 circuit. It all depends on the how many ADSL circuits are in the bundle, how many HDSL circuits in the bundle, etc. Having said that, I still think it sucks. Bell$outh is competing with ISP's to the point of signing up customers when they order a 2nd line ("And will you be using that 2nd line with your computer? Yes, well you need to sign up for Bellsouth.net for Internet service. Please hold and I will switch you to that desk...") Most of the telco's are crying that it's unfair to let all those CAPs in now, before we get all the rules sorted out, But, you need to let us (Bellsouth) go ahead and compete with everybody else for internet, long distance, video, etc... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:20:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29599 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29538 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03118; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Tom T. Thai" cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > how much do these cards run and what is their performance like? > OEM channels (NCR and DEC) run about $500-650 each. I got my full-height's at $150 (but they were pullouts from somewhere else) and older version. For those of you thinking about wireless ISPing, please look at: http://www.mindspring.com/~lfry/part15.htm and if you're located anywhere on the West Coast, Colorado, or Hawaii and might have a job opening in this field, please drop me a line. (I am graduating in August with MSEE and am job hunting now). Thanks. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:32:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00354 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00349 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA08516; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:45:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: "Victor A. Sudakov" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <199706100853.QAA00288@vas.tomsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We a provider here in NH.....Doesn't matter to us what you want to run. Unix, Win95, NT....whatever it is were happy to help out. O yes Even MACs are fine with us...... Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > > > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > > > > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? > > > > > > I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in > > > internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill > > > Gates? > > > > I certainly don't receive money from Bill :-) > > Are you a provider? What is your company's attitude to clients running unix? > > > > > Thing is, with larger ISPs, the clueful unix people are usually the > > administrators, and are generally kept *AWAY* from user support. > > The droids DOING user support dont know anything about unix, and so .. :) > > A regular customer only speaks to the support personnel. And suffers from > their ignorance. Even if there is a clueful unix person in the company, the > general customer is discouraged from using unix by the user support. I think > this should be changed, and as soon as possible, too. Admins should say > their word. > > I myself am lucky to have such an ISP who not only discourages me from using > unix, but is very helpful and many times has given me a hand and helped me > out of difficult situations. Of course, I am trying not to abuse this > generosity and prefer to study a lot of things myself because I understand > that if I had Win95 I would not ask so many questions (perhaps ;-)) > > May be I am somehow a special case but I have setup client internet software > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > -- > Victor Sudakov > http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:47:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01554 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com ([207.137.172.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01545 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.ccsales.com [207.137.172.4]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA15429; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Katz To: Manar Hussain cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: large number of file handles open In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sounds interesting, theory and all, but who in their right mind would put 500 virtual servers on one machine? Sounds crazy to me... And 1000 file handles doesn't seem to be a problem for MOST Unixes. On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Manar Hussain wrote: > I've heard one can hit problems with some unices running a large number of > virtual servers (with say apache) with different log files for each virtual > server: the problem being that with 500 virtual servers configured you have > say 1000 file handles you'd want open to the log files. Does anyone know if > this problem would occur with FreeBSD ??? > > Manar > RAK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy A. Katz Computer Consultation & Sales 505 S. Beverly Drive, Suite 472 Beverly Hills, CA 90212 (213) 307-9581 http://www.ccsales.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:49:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01754 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01747 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03193; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Tom T. Thai" cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > how much do these cards run and what is their performance like? ^^ Forgot about the second half of your question. Performance. About 1.6 Mbps on the 900 Mhz. version on a clear channel (1.6 Mbps downloading). Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:53:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02143 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02094 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wbXtc-00010i-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:52:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:52:04 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Randy Katz cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large number of file handles open In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We're not planning on ever getting over 250 (and even then only if they're low use sites) but I know of someone who was running 1000 on PC for a short period of time. I'm guessing there must be some people who've hit these type of numbers on this list ?? >Sounds interesting, theory and all, but who in their right mind would put >500 virtual servers on one machine? Sounds crazy to me... And 1000 file >handles doesn't seem to be a problem for MOST Unixes. Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 14:02:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02894 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02882 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16137 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA01496; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:57:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Bernie Doehner cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > how much do these cards run and what is their performance like? > ^^ > > Forgot about the second half of your question. Performance. About 1.6 Mbps > on the 900 Mhz. version on a clear channel (1.6 Mbps downloading). how about range, feet? miles? > > Bernie > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 14:05:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03208 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03193 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA01689; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:06:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Dave Richards cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email store-and-forward + SMTP finger In-Reply-To: <339DB082.46D1@illumen.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Dave Richards wrote: > Hi All, > I've heard that sendmail can be configured to do store-and-forward of > email for people/orgs who have a mail server without a full time > internet connection. example: company with a mail server in-house and a > dialup ISDN line. I know POP3 could be used in a situation like this but > alot of folks are asking for store-and-forward these days. Is this > right? Does anyone know where to start? A search of the FreeBSD mailing > list archives turned a blank. Hmm.. we have been doing UUCP for this.. maybe I'm missing something? Does POP3 allow for different email accounts dumped to one "account?" And how does the other end parse it out? The way we have it setup with the above ISDN dialup deal is they dialup, do some stuff.. what ever.. UUCP at certain times also dials up and pull in mail/news. > Store. Your ISP's mail server must be configured to store your mail for > you. Default Sendmail behaviour is to attempt resends with > specific intervals and eventually give up unless it happened to try to > send while your connection was up. This will obviously not work > reliably in a dial-up environment. Since Sendmail can be painful to set > up in the first place, many providers give up at the prospect of > setting it to store mail. Infact, there are versions of Sendmail that > simply can not be configured for this but instead need to be re-written. > > Forward. Your ISP's mail server (FingerHost) must be configured to > listen to the finger port (79) for a specific commandstring > (FingerCommand). This would be your mail server's way of alerting the > ISP to make it send stored mail in to your local SMTP server. Both the > FingerHost and FingerCommand should be provided by your Internet > provider. It is fairly common practice to use the mailhost > (MailServerIP) as FingerHost and your Internet domain name (acme.com) as > FingerCommand, but it is entirely up to your provider. Also, your > provider might give you the finger information on the format > fingercommand@fingerhost. > > ================================================================ > > ..any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! > > -- > sincerely, > Dave > > ************************************************************ > David A Richards Systems Integrator > The illumen Group, Inc. http://www.illumen.com > Email mailto:dar@illumen.com > Personal Web http://www.illumen.com/~dar > ************************************************************ > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 14:11:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03657 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03649 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00343; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: "Victor A. Sudakov" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. I have to jump in on this. I've never had an easier time than with OS/2 and FreeBSD, as much as I like and use it, was the worst. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 14:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04177 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04171 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA09920; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:32:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Cliff Addy cc: "Victor A. Sudakov" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk O yes os/2 as well......What diffrence should it make to this providers. As long as their running tcp/ip any os should be acceptable? Who wants to see a one OS world anyways. :) . I hope OS/2 doesn't fade away like many say. I actually purchased OS/2 myself and don't have it running right now. Until I get another hard drive that is. Thanks. Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > > > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > I have to jump in on this. I've never had an easier time than with OS/2 > and FreeBSD, as much as I like and use it, was the worst. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 14:42:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05467 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.theonlynet.com (ns1.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05461 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rricci@localhost) by ns1.theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA09508; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) From: "Robert P. Ricci" To: Susie Ward cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cyclades and stuff :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609143155.0069d9dc@voltage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are in the process of doing exactly the same thing (using cyclades, too.) People on this list have suggested using NIS, and it looks to me like the best way to go. As I write this, I'm setting it up. When it get if working, I'll send you a message explaining how we got it to work. Until then, you can look up info on it by doing a 'man yp'. Good Luck! Robert Ricci rricc@theonlynet.com On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Susie Ward wrote: > I would like to talk with someone who is using Cyclades cards (or really > any multi-port card), specifically if anyone has setup a homemade "term > server" with the Cyclades in a seperate machine. Mainly what we're needing > to figure out is how to have the machine housing the Cyclades be able to > safely access the passwd file on the main server. But any other suggestions > or input to possible problems with this setup are also appreciated :) Right > now we have two Cyclades cards in the main server, but we will be needing > to add more and didn't really want to just keep cramming more cards into > the main server. It may be easier/cheaper in the long run to just go with a > PortMaster, but we already have the Cyclades cards here, so we would like > to use them if it is feasible. > > Also, we have 7 brand new, still in the box USR Sportster 33.6 external > modems for $100 each that we won't be using if anyone is interested. > > TIA > > Susie > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06440 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06426 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00875; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706102154.PAA00875@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bernie Doehner Cc: "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > how much do these cards run and what is their performance like? > > OEM channels (NCR and DEC) run about $500-650 each. I got my full-height's > at $150 (but they were pullouts from somewhere else) and older version. How do they compare to something like the old Xircom cards (now bought out by NetWave)? I'm in the market, and we'd like to find something that's cheap, but my initial impressions of the NWave cards are they are *extremely* slow and pretty useless for real work. (I got 5K/sec out of them with the base station and a laptop running Win95.) I didn't buy them, but they were bought because they were cheap/cheap/cheap. $950 for the base-station, and $250/PCMCIA card. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:11:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07016 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07009 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03445; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Tom T. Thai" cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > how about range, feet? miles? Sorry, but that's like asking what the fuel efficiency of a car is without specifying the car. What's your terrain like? Line of Sight? How close to the roof are you? (Do you have access to the roof so you can put up some real antennas?). Line of sight you can do 5-10 miles assuming no interference, other than that it depends on the terrain/obstacles. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07876 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07785 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02945; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:18:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:18:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Bernie Doehner cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > > > how about range, feet? miles? > > Sorry, but that's like asking what the fuel efficiency of a car is without > specifying the car. What's your terrain like? Line of Sight? :) > How close to the roof are you? (Do you have access to the roof so you can right below the roof here. > put up some real antennas?). Line of sight you can do 5-10 miles just want to have fast connections at my home about 5 miles from the office. We are in a metropolitan (downtown) area. > assuming no interference, other than that it depends on the > terrain/obstacles. > > Bernie > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:27:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08099 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08080 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03494; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Tom T. Thai" cc: "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How close to the roof are you? (Do you have access to the roof so you can > > right below the roof here. Good.. At these frequencies feedline losses are high, so being close to the roof is good. > > put up some real antennas?). Line of sight you can do 5-10 miles > > just want to have fast connections at my home about 5 miles from the > office. We are in a metropolitan (downtown) area. How close to line of sight are you? What kind of obstacles/hills are in the way? Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:40:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09058 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ra1.randomc.com (sfi@ra1.randomc.com [205.160.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09049 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (sfi@localhost) by ra1.randomc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19951; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:35:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Shashikant Joshi Message-Id: <199706102235.SAA19951@ra1.randomc.com> Subject: Re: large number of file handles open In-Reply-To: from Manar Hussain at "Jun 10, 97 09:52:04 pm" To: manar@ivision.co.uk (Manar Hussain) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As you (Manar Hussain) said earlier: > We're not planning on ever getting over 250 (and even then only if they're > low use sites) but I know of someone who was running 1000 on PC for a short > period of time. I'm guessing there must be some people who've hit these > type of numbers on this list ?? > > >Sounds interesting, theory and all, but who in their right mind would put > >500 virtual servers on one machine? Sounds crazy to me... And 1000 file > >handles doesn't seem to be a problem for MOST Unixes. > > Manar > Does this problem occur only if the files are in the SAME directory, or within a directory tree. I am hoping and assuming that it should be only if all the 500/1000 files are in the same directory, since filesystems do have much more than 500 files. So, even if you have 500 virtual hosts, and minimum two files per VH, you don't have to keep them in the same dir. you can have 10 sub-dirs, each with 100 sub-sub-dirs, with files of each VH. ------------------------------------------------------------------- ShashiKant Joshi Tel: 770-424-6958 Shift-F1, Inc. Fax: 770-424-4689 Your KEY to Help! shashi@shift-f1.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 15:58:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10008 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.intrastar.net (jsuter@linus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09996 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jsuter@localhost) by linus.intrastar.net (8.8.5/TerraNovaNet) with SMTP id RAA02325; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:57:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:57:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: "Victor A. Sudakov" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <199706100853.QAA00288@vas.tomsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a packard bell).. JS On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > > > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > > > > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? > > > > > > I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in > > > internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill > > > Gates? > > > > I certainly don't receive money from Bill :-) > > Are you a provider? What is your company's attitude to clients running unix? > > > > > Thing is, with larger ISPs, the clueful unix people are usually the > > administrators, and are generally kept *AWAY* from user support. > > The droids DOING user support dont know anything about unix, and so .. :) > > A regular customer only speaks to the support personnel. And suffers from > their ignorance. Even if there is a clueful unix person in the company, the > general customer is discouraged from using unix by the user support. I think > this should be changed, and as soon as possible, too. Admins should say > their word. > > I myself am lucky to have such an ISP who not only discourages me from using > unix, but is very helpful and many times has given me a hand and helped me > out of difficult situations. Of course, I am trying not to abuse this > generosity and prefer to study a lot of things myself because I understand > that if I had Win95 I would not ask so many questions (perhaps ;-)) > > May be I am somehow a special case but I have setup client internet software > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > -- > Victor Sudakov > http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10867 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10854 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03627; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Tom T. Thai" cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > But no foliage or change in ground elevation? > > not much change in ground level. What about trees?? At these frequencies trees absorb pretty well. (especialy nearfield - like in your back yard, which would be in line with the direction of the signal to your office?) > > > Also, what town/city are we talking about? 900 Mhz. is unuseable in many > > larger cities (especialy in southern Cal.), because of interference from > > Metricom and lojack like systems. Do you by any chance of access to a spectrum analyzer? And is someone on your staff into two-way radio? (Like a ham radio operator? Or would you need more of a plug and play solution? The reason I am asking you this, is that it would be nice to find out how useable the spectrum is, BEFORE you buy equipment for either 900 or 2.4. If you can get away with 900 (no interference), than it'd be better. > I see 900mhz phones used and sold here.. so I think it's ok :) am in > Minneapolis, MN Well yes, they are rather low power (like 1mW), but the Wavelans are also pretty deaf as compared to some of the better point to point stuff on the market - like the Freewave radios, but they run around $1200/piece. Btw, additional cost if you do it yourself: $70-140 X 2 for two 900 MHz. yagis (suggest 13 element - longest you can get. they are about 6' long). Price depends on ruggedness and manufacturer. $0.50/ft. if you buy good RF cable. On one of the installations we've done, the run was short, so we chopped the 15-20' RG-59 cable that attaches to the patch antenna and put an N connector on it to connect to a yagi. Worked well, no additional cable cost. Also, something to keep in mind, is that the new Wavelans use this screwy connector that we could only get from NCR/Lucent (another reason for using the RG-59 cable if the run is short. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:19:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11108 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@[208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11103 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8340 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Jun 1997 23:14:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ?? FBSD 2.2.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello, This is what I get on a clean install. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! Jun 10 02:00:14 ram inetd[814]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 10:02:36 ram inetd[1145]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 10:02:56 ram su: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 10:03:00 ram su: mack to root on /dev/ttyp0 Jun 10 13:55:35 ram inetd[1344]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 18:14:20 ram inetd[1518]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 18:15:03 ram su: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Jun 10 18:15:06 ram su: BAD SU mack to root on /dev/ttyp0 Jun 10 18:15:08 ram su: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' This is a 2.2.2-R ftp install, out on a Pentium 100 with a 1.6 IDE HDD, though I am assuming the machine has nothing to do with this. I installed on this machine last night, and the only services running so far are named. -Gary Margiotta TBE Internet Services http://www.tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:21:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11280 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11268 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA03780; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:20:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:20:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Bernie Doehner cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > > > > > But no foliage or change in ground elevation? > > > > not much change in ground level. > > What about trees?? At these frequencies trees absorb pretty well. > (especialy nearfield - like in your back yard, which would be in line with > the direction of the signal to your office?) it's a city so not may tries.. some in the streets along the sidewalks. > > > Also, what town/city are we talking about? 900 Mhz. is unuseable in many > > > larger cities (especialy in southern Cal.), because of interference from > > > Metricom and lojack like systems. > > Do you by any chance of access to a spectrum analyzer? And is someone > on your staff into two-way radio? (Like a ham radio operator? Or would you > need more of a plug and play solution? No one like that here, but if you give me some references, I'll try it myself :) PnP is fine, but I like to learn too. Can I lease or buy the spectrum analyzer? > The reason I am asking you this, is that it would be nice to find out how > useable the spectrum is, BEFORE you buy equipment for either 900 or 2.4. > If you can get away with 900 (no interference), than it'd be better. I read up on the BreezeCom wireless lans hardware, sounds pretty cool. I think it's 2.4 hoping spectrum if I remember right. > > > I see 900mhz phones used and sold here.. so I think it's ok :) am in > > Minneapolis, MN > > Well yes, they are rather low power (like 1mW), but the Wavelans are also > pretty deaf as compared to some of the better point to point stuff on the > market - like the Freewave radios, but they run around $1200/piece. > > Btw, additional cost if you do it yourself: > > $70-140 X 2 for two 900 MHz. yagis (suggest 13 element - longest you can > get. they are about 6' long). Price depends on ruggedness and > manufacturer. > > $0.50/ft. if you buy good RF cable. On one of the installations we've > done, the run was short, so we chopped the 15-20' RG-59 cable that > attaches to the patch antenna and put an N connector on it to connect to a > yagi. Worked well, no additional cable cost. > > Also, something to keep in mind, is that the new Wavelans use this screwy > connector that we could only get from NCR/Lucent (another reason for using > the RG-59 cable if the run is short. hmm.. .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:34:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11872 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11849; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03514; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:15:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706102315.AAA03514@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Adam David cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wiring ppp? devices In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:45:30 -0000." <199706100245.CAA13783@veda.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:15:54 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know how to reserve (for instance) ppp0 so that only /dev/ttyd0 > can ever claim it? How is it done, and where should I be looking for this > information? > > -- > Adam David I dunno about ppp0, but you could reserve tun0 (from ppp) by renaming the device: # cd /dev # mv tun0 anamethatonlyIknow Ppp will happily skip onto tun1. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:51:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12880 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (ns2.BEACH.net [209.25.4.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12874 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA12499; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:51:41 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: Dave Richards cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email store-and-forward + SMTP finger In-Reply-To: <339DB082.46D1@illumen.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Dave Richards wrote: > I've heard that sendmail can be configured to do store-and-forward of > email for people/orgs who have a mail server without a full time Use sendmail 8.8.x and have them use an SMTP client that knows about ETRN Mail will queue normally. When they connect and send an ETRN command sendmail will do a queue run on their domain. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 16:58:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13413 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (veda.is [193.4.230.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13371; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA21184; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:02:36 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199706110002.AAA21184@veda.is> Subject: Re: wiring ppp? devices In-Reply-To: <199706102315.AAA03514@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> from Brian Somers at "Jun 11, 97 00:15:54 am" To: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:02:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I dunno about ppp0, but you could reserve tun0 (from ppp) by renaming > the device: > > # cd /dev > # mv tun0 anamethatonlyIknow > > Ppp will happily skip onto tun1. > -- > Brian , ^^^^^^^^ you ain't kidding ;) I've worked around it for now by inserting various amounts of filler comments in the options.ttyd? files. The port that has least comments wins the race. > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... right! :) -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 17:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14697 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14678 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03803; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ?? FBSD 2.2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Save the following as /etc/login.conf: # Sample login.conf - login class capabilities database. # To speed up access to this data, you can use /bin/cap_mkdb # to create a database form of this file: # # cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf # # Don't forget to do this after each edit as well! # # This file controls resource limits, accounting limits and # default user environment settings. # # $Id: login.conf,v 1.9 1997/05/01 21:25:34 ache Exp $ # # Authentication methods auth-defaults:\ :auth=krb_skey_or_passwd,passwd,kerberos,skey: auth-root-defaults:\ :auth-login=krb_skey_or_passwd,passwd,kerberos,skey:\ :auth-rlogin=krb_or_skey,kerberos,skey:\ auth-ftp-defaults:\ :auth=skey_or_pwd,passwd,skey: # Example defaults # These settings are used by login(1) by default for classless users # Note that entries like "cputime" set both "cputime-cur" and "cputime-max" default:\ :cputime=infinity:\ :datasize-cur=16M:\ :stacksize-cur=8M:\ :memorylocked-cur=10M:\ :memoryuse-cur=30M:\ :filesize=infinity:\ :coredumpsize=infinity:\ :maxproc-cur=64:\ :openfiles-cur=64:\ :priority=0:\ :requirehome:\ :umask=022:\ :tc=auth-defaults: # # standard - standard user defaults # standard:\ :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ :welcome=/etc/motd:\ :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K,EDITOR=/usr/bin/ee:\ :path=~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ :manpath=/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ :nologin=/etc/nologin:\ :cputime=1h30m:\ :datasize=8M:\ :stacksize=2M:\ :memorylocked=4M:\ :memoryuse=8M:\ :filesize=8M:\ :coredumpsize=8M:\ :openfiles=24:\ :maxproc=32:\ :priority=0:\ :requirehome:\ :passwordperiod=90d:\ :umask=002:\ :ignoretime@:\ :tc=default: # # users of X (needs more resources!) # xuser:\ :manpath=/usr/share/man /usr/X11R6/man /usr/local/man:\ :cputime=4h:\ :datasize=12M:\ :stacksize=4M:\ :filesize=8M:\ :memoryuse=16M:\ :openfiles=32:\ :maxproc=48:\ :tc=standard: # # Staff users - few restrictions and allow login anytime # staff:\ :ignorenologin:\ :ignoretime:\ :requirehome@:\ :accounted@:\ :path=~/bin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin:\ :umask=022:\ :tc=standard: # # root - fallback for root logins # root:\ :path=~/bin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin:\ :cputime=infinity:\ :datasize=infinity:\ :stacksize=infinity:\ :memorylocked=infinity:\ :memoryuse=infinity:\ :filesize=infinity:\ :coredumpsize=infinity:\ :openfiles=infinity:\ :maxproc=infinity:\ :memoryuse-cur=32M:\ :maxproc-cur=64:\ :openfiles-cur=1024:\ :priority=0:\ :requirehome@:\ :umask=022:\ :tc=auth-root-defaults:\ # # Settings used by /etc/rc # daemon:\ :cputime=infinity:\ :filesize=64M:\ :datasize=32M:\ :stacksize=16M:\ :coredumpsize=0:\ :memoryuse-cur=64M:\ :memorylocked-cur=64M:\ :maxproc=32:\ :openfiles=1024:\ :tc=default: # # Settings used by news subsystem # news:\ :path=/usr/local/news/bin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin:\ :cputime=infinity:\ :filesize=128M:\ :datasize-curr=64M:\ :stacksize-cur=32M:\ :coredumpsize-cur=0:\ :maxmemorysize-cur=128M:\ :memorylocked=32M:\ :maxproc=128:\ :openfiles=256:\ :tc=default: # # The dialer class should be used for a dialup PPP/SLIP accounts # Welcome messages/news suppressed # dialer:\ :hushlogin:\ :requirehome@:\ :cputime=unlimited:\ :filesize=2M:\ :datasize=2M:\ :stacksize=4M:\ :coredumpsize=0:\ :memoryuse=4M:\ :memorylocked=1M:\ :maxproc=16:\ :openfiles=32:\ :tc=standard: # # Site full-time 24/7 PPP/SLIP connections # - no time accounting, restricted to access via dialin lines # site:\ :ignoretime:\ :passwordperiod@:\ :refreshtime@:\ :refreshperiod@:\ :sessionlimit@:\ :autodelete@:\ :expireperiod@:\ :graceexpire@:\ ;gracetime@:\ :warnexpire@:\ :warnpassword@:\ :idletime@:\ :sessiontime@:\ :daytime@:\ :weektime@:\ :monthtime@:\ :warntime@:\ :accounted@:\ :tc=dialer:\ :tc=staff: # # Example standard accounting entries for subscriber levels # subscriber|Subscribers:\ :accounted:\ :refreshtime=180d:\ :refreshperiod@:\ :sessionlimit@:\ :autodelete=30d:\ :expireperiod=180d:\ :graceexpire=7d:\ :gracetime=10m:\ :warnexpire=7d:\ :warnpassword=7d:\ :idletime=30m:\ :sessiontime=4h:\ :daytime=6h:\ :weektime=40h:\ :monthtime=120h:\ :warntime=4h:\ :tc=standard: # test class test|Testing:\ :accounted:\ :refreshtime=180d:\ :refreshperiod@:\ :sessionlimit@:\ :autodelete=12h:\ :expireperiod=1h:\ :graceexpire=1h:\ :gracetime=10m:\ :warnexpire=1h:\ :warnpassword=1h:\ :idletime=infinity:\ :sessiontime=4h:\ :daytime=6h:\ :weektime=40h:\ :monthtime=120h:\ :warntime=1m:\ :tc=standard: # # Subscriber accounts. These accounts have their login times # accounted and have access limits applied. # subppp|PPP Subscriber Accounts:\ :tc=dialer:\ :tc=subscriber: subslip|SLIP Subscriber Accounts:\ :tc=dialer:\ :tc=subscriber: subshell:Shell Subscriber Accounts:\ :tc=subscriber: # # Russian Users Accounts. Setup proper environment variables. # russian:Russian Users Accounts:\ :charset=KOI8-R:\ :lang=ru_RU.KOI8-R:\ :tc=default: From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 18:04:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17967 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17897 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA01658; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:02:51 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id IAA03097; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:38:59 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706110038.IAA03097@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: sderdau@xtdl.com (Stephen A. Derdau) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:38:59 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Stephen A. Derdau" at "Jun 10, 97 05:32:53 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > O yes os/2 as well......What diffrence should it make to this providers. > As long as their running tcp/ip any os should be acceptable? I can already see the future. Imagine the "Microsoft Internet (R)" and "TCP/IP Designed for Windows 95 (R)". And ISPs will have to be licensed and certified by Microsoft. We shall be the extinct minority with our unices and shall have to support MIP (R) - Microsoft Internet Protocol. Do you think I am kidding? Not quite. Perhaps you know that the standard encoding for cyrillic on the Internet is koi8-r (rfc1489). However, the majority of web pages are in cp1251 - Windows cyrillic encoding ONLY. A couple of weeks ago I had to install Windows cp1251 cyrillic fonts in my X to surf the Russian web. > > Who wants to see a one OS world anyways. :) . Everybody knows the name of this person. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 18:05:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18062 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18052 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA01615; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:02:23 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id IAA03060; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:25:24 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706110025.IAA03060@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: jsuter@linus.intrastar.net (Jacob Suter) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:25:24 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jacob Suter" at "Jun 10, 97 05:57:18 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jacob Suter wrote: > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy I do not mean that you should spend your personal time on teaching neophytes. However, when an ISP refuses to tell the customer the parameters of the ppp connection he is offering for fear of this customer installing unix, or uses some other clever tricks with incompatibility etc. - this is an outrage. And another point. While unix experts keep telling that unix is for elite people while Bill Gates keeps saying that NT is for the masses, it is very easy to predict which OS is going to win. It is happening already. Everybody knows that unix is cool and everybody uses NT. If the unix people do not change their attitude, unix is doomed. And yet another note. Concerning the question of helping unix neophytes. Has the spirit of commerce penetrated so deeply into the internet world? Is the spirit of cooperation and mutual help gone forever? Maybe I shall pay when someone helps me with my problems on the Usenet or Fidonet, and charge money when I help someone? I have noticed an interesting thing (nothing personal) - the more skilled the admin is, the more willing he/she is to help others. And if the admin is a lamer himself - he hides behind this unix-is-not-for-lame-people attitude. In your case, if I were in your shoes, if such a neophyte as you have described above, calls you and asks "how to exploit something cool", I would advise him/her some good books on Unix and man pages ;-))) -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 20:01:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24110 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from feeding.frenzy.com (root@feeding.frenzy.com [198.214.131.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24105 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from harter@localhost) by feeding.frenzy.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id WAA27037; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:00:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:00:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sam Hayes Merritt, III" To: Jacob Suter cc: "Victor A. Sudakov" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Jacob Suter wrote: > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a > packard bell).. Which is exactly why Win* is winning and Unix in general is being seen as old and unpopular by higher management. We shall be assimilated by billy unless you help others see the light. =) SAM HAYES MERRITT, III Surgimedics, Inc. Email: harter@feeding.frenzy.com Systems Admin http://www.surgimedics.com 1800.669.9001 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 20:12:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24498 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from planetx.bloomu.edu (planetx.bloomu.edu [148.137.75.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24489 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Marc.csrlink.net (nb-dialup-124.superlink.net [208.200.95.131]) by planetx.bloomu.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id XAA38184 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706110300.XAA38184@planetx.bloomu.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Marc Greenbaum" To: Subject: ppp -alias Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:10:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am following through the - Pedantic PPP Primer, trying to setup my BSD box to route ip traffic. The primer talks about the use of the "ppp -alias" command. My machine however does not seem to have -alias flag. I am running release 2.1.7. Any help would be appreciated. Marc J Greenbaum From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 20:53:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26367 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26361 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00632; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Nate Williams cc: "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: <199706102154.PAA00875@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > *extremely* slow and pretty useless for real work. (I got 5K/sec out of > them with the base station and a laptop running Win95.) 5k/sec? With ISA Wavelan on the FreeBSD side and a Dec RoamAbout (Wavelan clone) on my Linux laptop I get 1.6 Mb/s! > I didn't buy them, but they were bought because they were > cheap/cheap/cheap. $950 for the base-station, and $250/PCMCIA card. $250 I could live with. The $950 is a bit pricy. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:00:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26811 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-001coauroP02.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26800 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03461 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:11:14 -0600 Message-ID: <339E2562.2C453FBA@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:11:14 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jacob Suter wrote: > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a > packard bell).. > > JS Most "lowly lamer people" as you put it have _no_ interest in Unix. They just want the latest whiz bang machine, loaded with the latest version of whatever microsquish decides to pass off as an operating system. Fortunatley, most of the people who are responsible for the exsistance of freeBSD and Linux, actually want to help people learn more, rather than treat everyone who knows less than they do as morons. We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of unix, are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are usually not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were a beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute than yourself... Why not pass it on? Bkm From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27309 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27302 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02557; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706110407.WAA02557@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bernie Doehner Cc: Nate Williams , "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: References: <199706102154.PAA00875@rocky.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > *extremely* slow and pretty useless for real work. (I got 5K/sec out of > > them with the base station and a laptop running Win95.) > > 5k/sec? With ISA Wavelan on the FreeBSD side and a Dec RoamAbout (Wavelan > clone) on my Linux laptop I get 1.6 Mb/s! That's great. Is this a point-point link, or in a wireless LAN? > > I didn't buy them, but they were bought because they were > > cheap/cheap/cheap. $950 for the base-station, and $250/PCMCIA card. > > $250 I could live with. The $950 is a bit pricy. How does the AT&T Wavelan stuff work? The Xircom stuff has a 'base station' that you stick on your ethernet segment that broadcasts data to/from the machines with Xircom cards in them. Is the WaveLAN stuff at all like that? Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:20:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28245 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28240 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00603; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Nate Williams cc: "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: <199706110407.WAA02557@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > them with the base station and a laptop running Win95.) > > > > 5k/sec? With ISA Wavelan on the FreeBSD side and a Dec RoamAbout (Wavelan > > clone) on my Linux laptop I get 1.6 Mb/s! > > That's great. Is this a point-point link, or in a wireless LAN? wireless lan.. RoamAbout (Wavelan) emulate Ethernet (but do it over radio) as long as all stations hear each other. > > How does the AT&T Wavelan stuff work? The Xircom stuff has a 'base > station' that you stick on your ethernet segment that broadcasts data > to/from the machines with Xircom cards in them. Is the WaveLAN stuff at > all like that? > It's like an ethernet card. If you want connectivity to a backbone you install either a access point (mucho $$$), or a FreeBSD box with one Wavelan and one ethernet card and route between them. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:22:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28379 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28372 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02667; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706110422.WAA02667@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bernie Doehner Cc: Nate Williams , "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: References: <199706110407.WAA02557@rocky.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How does the AT&T Wavelan stuff work? The Xircom stuff has a 'base > > station' that you stick on your ethernet segment that broadcasts data > > to/from the machines with Xircom cards in them. Is the WaveLAN stuff at > > all like that? > > > It's like an ethernet card. If you want connectivity to a backbone you > install either a access point (mucho $$$), or a FreeBSD box with one > Wavelan and one ethernet card and route between them. How much is an access point? (The $950 I mentioned earlier for the NetWave setup was the access point, since it connected to our local ethernet.) Before I prattle on indefinitely, does anyone have a WWW site I could head for that might have answers to these sorts of questions? (Most commercial sites are long on marketing and short on data.) Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:22:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28387 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from router.besys.net.au (border.besys.net.au [203.30.15.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28371 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ingold.besys.net.au (Ingold@ingold.besys.net.au [203.30.15.130]) by router.besys.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17128 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:14:42 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970611141428.007d9330@mail.besys.net.au> X-Sender: ingold@mail.besys.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:14:28 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Peter Champas Subject: Re: ppp -alias In-Reply-To: <199706110300.XAA38184@planetx.bloomu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:10 p 10/06/97 -0400, Marc Greenbaum wrote: >I am following through the - Pedantic PPP Primer, trying to setup my BSD >box to route ip traffic. The primer talks about the use of the "ppp -alias" >command. My machine however does not seem to have -alias flag. I am running >release 2.1.7. this may or maynot be what your looking for, but when ever my ppp0 device goes up, pppd looks for the following file ip-up, so I have my routing information in there eg: (Note you need to specify full path names for it to execute correctly) #ip-up #!/bin/bash /sbin/ifconfig ed0 alias x.x.x.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 /sbin/route add -host x.x.x.1 -interface ed0 /usr/sbin/sendmail -q & ---- [ end ] -- and when I bring ppp0 down pppd executes the following in a file called /etc/ppp/ip-down ----------[ ip-down snip]------------ #!/bin/bash /sbin/route delete x.x.x.1 /sbin/ifconfig ed0 inet x.x.x.1 delete ------------ [ end ] ------------- hope this helps you.. cya o--------------------- Peter Champas --------------------o /*\ Life is a challange.. Just ask your local ISP /*\ /* *\ ingold@besys.net.au /* *\ o-----o-------- http://www.besys.net.au/~ingold --------o------o From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28973 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28962 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00662; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Nate Williams cc: "Tom T. Thai" , "Yury V. Savin" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: <199706110422.WAA02667@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How much is an access point? (The $950 I mentioned earlier for the > NetWave setup was the access point, since it connected to our local > ethernet.) I only know about the Wavelans (ISA) and RoamAbout PCMCIA.. I sort of remember $1000/access point, but don't quote me on that since I dispice the idea of highway robbery on access points, when you can throw together a cheap PC for much less. > Before I prattle on indefinitely, does anyone have a WWW site I could > head for that might have answers to these sorts of questions? (Most > commercial sites are long on marketing and short on data.) http://www.wavelan.com http://www.networks.digital.com (then do site search for RoamAbout). RoamAbout is a Wavelan clone. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29162 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29155 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00682; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Dave Richards cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email store-and-forward + SMTP finger In-Reply-To: <339DB082.46D1@illumen.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ..any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! > > -- Actualy, I think I almost figured it out. In sendmail.cf, there is OT5d/4h Would setting this to OT5d/0h turn off the first warning message? If so, we can then define a 24/7 connected system as a MX for the temporarily connected machines, and no pesky "connection to host timed out" messages will be sent out Any sendmail experts that can confirm my thinking? Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:34:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29268 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from router.besys.net.au (border.besys.net.au [203.30.15.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29247 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ingold.besys.net.au (Ingold@ingold.besys.net.au [203.30.15.130]) by router.besys.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17142 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:11 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970611142557.007d9390@mail.besys.net.au> X-Sender: ingold@mail.besys.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:25:57 +1000 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Peter Champas Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:00 p 10/06/97 -0500, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote: >On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Jacob Suter wrote: > >> My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't >> use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of >> "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING -------------[Snip]------------------- > >Which is exactly why Win* is winning and Unix in general is being seen >as old and unpopular by higher management. We shall be assimilated by >billy unless you help others see the light. Seems to me we all fear this sort of thing happening, were we will be infested by w* os's, I agree with giving as much information about unix as possible it may not be the *easest* OS to deal with, but it sure beats whats comming out of Billys work shop. I personaly have only being Learning UNIX for about 4 months, but without the help of others, I would not have continued, I may *shutter* have installed nt.. So if they ask for exploits point them to Web pages, and Books, cause if they don't know the full story, how can they defend against it, cause most of it is documented and have patches/fixes/workarounds unlike others we know.. :) Cya o--------------------- Peter Champas --------------------o /*\ Life is a challange.. Just ask your local ISP /*\ /* *\ ingold@besys.net.au /* *\ o-----o-------- http://www.besys.net.au/~ingold --------o------o From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:45:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29964 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29959 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02834; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706110444.WAA02834@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bernie Doehner Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? In-Reply-To: References: <199706110422.WAA02667@rocky.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner writes: > > > > How much is an access point? (The $950 I mentioned earlier for the > > NetWave setup was the access point, since it connected to our local > > ethernet.) > > I only know about the Wavelans (ISA) and RoamAbout PCMCIA.. I sort of > remember $1000/access point, but don't quote me on that since I dispice > the idea of highway robbery on access points, when you can throw together > a cheap PC for much less. >From my perusal of the DEC stuff, the access point is even more than that. The PCMCIA cards are normally $695/unit. The 'normal' price for a single card and an access point is: $2495 - $695 = $1800 *OUCH*, no kidding that's expensive... > > Before I prattle on indefinitely, does anyone have a WWW site I could > > head for that might have answers to these sorts of questions? (Most > > commercial sites are long on marketing and short on data.) > > http://www.wavelan.com > http://www.networks.digital.com (then do site search for RoamAbout). > > RoamAbout is a Wavelan clone. Is it compatible with the Wavelan stuff, or are they two competing products? Is the Wavelan stuff cheaper/more expensive/better/worse/etc?? Again, thanks for all your help! Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 21:46:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00194 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00187 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA15486; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:46:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Marc Greenbaum" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp -alias In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:10:58 EDT." <199706110300.XAA38184@planetx.bloomu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:46:29 -0700 Message-ID: <15482.866004389@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am following through the - Pedantic PPP Primer, trying to setup my BSD > box to route ip traffic. The primer talks about the use of the "ppp -alias" You must not be following it very closely, that's all I can say - quit speed-reading and pay closer attention! :-) > command. My machine however does not seem to have -alias flag. I am running > release 2.1.7. Right. And as the Pedantic PPP primer says in multiple places, the -alias flag is for 2.2. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 22:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01580 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohm.ingsala.unal.edu.co ([168.176.15.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01575 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem11.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.41]) by ohm.ingsala.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07938; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:15:24 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <339E277A.4847@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:20:10 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J.D. Falk" CC: muditha@seychelles.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Router References: <339C4625.7590@seychelles.net> <19970609152323.25574@cybernothing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J.D. Falk wrote: > > > I've heard of "routers" that were actually just Compaqs running > Linux and GateD...is this one of 'em? If so, I've heard mixed > reviews, as I have of any GateD-based solution. > No, when the Internet gained importance Compaq bought a networking company. > IMHO, Cisco /is/ the standard, and the only reason to go with > anything else would have to be the price. But, as always, it > depends heavily on what your requirements are. > I agree. Pedro. > -- > J.D. Falk, Network Operations Center Supervisor +1 (415) 482-2840 > Priori Networks, Inc. http://www.priori.net > "The people you know. The people you trust." From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 03:08:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14155 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14137 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA23353; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:22:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <339E2562.2C453FBA@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you really want to learn how a system operates .......Get into Unix, FreeBSD , linux,,,,,whatever. You get good at these or other similar O/S's you should be able to hack your way around these other operating sys/shells . Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Jacob Suter wrote: > > > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a > > packard bell).. > > > > JS > > Most "lowly lamer people" as you put it have _no_ interest in Unix. > They just want the latest whiz bang machine, loaded with the latest > version of whatever microsquish decides to pass off as an operating > system. > > Fortunatley, most of the people who are responsible for the exsistance > of freeBSD and Linux, actually want to help people learn more, rather > than treat everyone who knows less than they do as morons. > > We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. > That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. > > I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of unix, > are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. > I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are usually > not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even > change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. > > They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were a > beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the > exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that > there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute than > yourself... Why not pass it on? > > Bkm > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 04:38:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17678 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA17669 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from derdau (derdau.xtdl.com [206.25.228.100]) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA24525; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <339E47A0.C055D3FC@xtdl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:37:20 +0100 From: "Stephen A. Derdau" Organization: XTDL inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaine Minazzi , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Before I try to learn anything else I better check with Mr.Stutter......Thank goodness I had exposure to other people on the net when I asked stupid questions "so he sayith". Which the response was a real Treat. . BKM your right...... I also am one of the owners of an ISP. I also find it true that some users are lucky to know what a directory is. I am not the administrator in all regards. However, in the last two years I have learned alot. Next time I have a question I hope that you or one of the one of the others will point me in the right direction. Who knows I may get good at this one day. Of course probably not as good as Mr. Stutter. But hey sometimes great things come out of surprising places. Just look at history. If some people listened to those others who said they couldn't do it. Where would be today. Not every one can be an Einstein like mr Stutter. :) Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > If you really want to learn how a system operates .......Get into > Unix, FreeBSD , linux,,,,,whatever. You get good at these or other > similar O/S's you should be able to hack your way around these other > operating sys/shells . > > Stephen A. Derdau > XTDL inc > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > > Jacob Suter wrote: > > > > > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons > shouldn't > > > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the > tune of > > > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT > SOMETHING > > > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what > to > > > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - > the guy > > > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money > on a > > > packard bell).. > > > > > > JS > > > > Most "lowly lamer people" as you put it have _no_ interest in Unix. > > They just want the latest whiz bang machine, loaded with the latest > > version of whatever microsquish decides to pass off as an operating > > system. > > > > Fortunatley, most of the people who are responsible for the > exsistance > > of freeBSD and Linux, actually want to help people learn more, > rather > > than treat everyone who knows less than they do as morons. > > > > We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. > > That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. > > > > I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of > unix, > > are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. > > I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are > usually > > not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even > > > change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. > > > > They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were > a > > beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the > > exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that > > there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute > than > > yourself... Why not pass it on? > > > > Bkm > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 06:09:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21509 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.init.lt (post.init.lt [193.219.255.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21496 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rolandas (www.init.lt [193.219.255.3]) by post.init.lt (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA15152; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:20:34 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <339EA42F.1777284E@init.lt> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:12:15 +0300 From: Rolandas Miseikis Organization: INIT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernie Doehner CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan ISA Card??? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Bernie Doehner wrote: > > > Hi, ALL ! > > Does FreeBSD 2.1.5 support network card Wavelan ISA ? > > No, but drivers are available (from me). How new is your card ? Is it > full/half height? The 2.1.5 drivers only work with the old full height, > and half height (which don't have the removeable WaveMODEM daugther > board). > > We have a beta class driver that supports the new cards with removeable > WaveMODEM, but it won't work with 2.1.5 (2.2 only). Where/how can I get that? Currently we have WaveLAN ISA card in an MS-DOS :-| box to route between wireless LAN and our ethernet LAN. I'd like to put that WaveLAN card into FreeBSD 2.2.1-R box, and do some firewalling etc. -- Rolandas Miseikis UAB "INIT", Laisves al. 30a, Kaunas 3000, Lithuania e-mail: rol@init.lt, rolandas@usa.net WWW: http://www.init.lt/Rolandas/ tel.: +370-7-203889, +370-7-700000 (home) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 06:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21923 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.i3inc.com [208.218.26.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21906 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA10644; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706111309.JAA10644@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: muditha@seychelles.net Cc: portmaster-users@livingston.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:06:29 +0400" References: <339C4625.7590@seychelles.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:09:13 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:06:29 +0400 Muditha Gunatilake wrote: muditha> Any one heard of a compaq NETELLIGENT router 8500 communication muditha> platform? Eeew. (UNIX and "real hardware" bias :-) Depending on what you are trying to do, FreeBSD makes a dandy router. And there are vendors that will sell you interface cards to connect WAN links up to T1 (at least). Livingston also sells a router version of the PM. If you tell us what you're trying to do, we might be able to be more helpful. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 06:37:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23335 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (sys1.london.uk.psi.net [154.32.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23330 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id OAA11169; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:37:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id OAA25146; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:12:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA28438; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:56:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970611125644.0069c3e0@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:56:44 +0100 To: dave@illumen.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Email store-and-forward + SMTP finger Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 13:52 10/06/97 -0600, Dave Richards wrote: >Hi All, > I've heard that sendmail can be configured to do store-and-forward of >email for people/orgs who have a mail server without a full time >internet connection. An effective and efficient alternative to monging sendmail is to route mail for this company to UUCP. The company can then use its existing ISDN or an additional modem dialup to routinely exchange mail hands off. This is what we do & it works great. Regards Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 06:39:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23397 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.proventum.net (firewall.proventum.net [194.19.131.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23387 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indy4.proventum.net (indy4.proventum.net [192.19.131.143]) by firewall with ESMTP (DuhMail/2.0) id OAA12976; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:52:14 +0200 Received: from localhost by indy4 (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042) id PAA18689; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:34:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:34:19 +0200 (MDT) From: Christoffer Walther To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <339E2562.2C453FBA@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Jacob Suter wrote: > > We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. > That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. Yeah well .. Too bad there isnt TIME to go on a vacation :) > I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of unix, > are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. > I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are usually > not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even > change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. > > They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were a > beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the > exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that > there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute than > yourself... Why not pass it on? Thats true. Anyway, I cant wait til the day where I will be running win NT and all of its applications, in a single window on my SGI irix desktop, with better performance and stability than mickeysoft NT :) Anyway, unix is meant (imo) as a server os, and most isps wants the clients to be windows based, NT and win95, becuz performance and STABILITY doesnt really matter that much when we are talking clients. And NT and win95 is, after all easier to handle for the average "normal" person, than a unixbox is. I think its ok. I wouldnt advise any of my customers to put FreeBSD and X on their lan PCs. I would however, hear of no other OS than unix (be it freebsd, irix, solaris, linux, etc.) if the customer wanted to setup his own mail, dns, web etc. server. In short, go for a heavy unix server u put away in the basement and use telnet for administration. Put NT on ur desktop (unless u need heavy workstations ofcuz) > > Bkm > Christoffer Walther Unix Admin & Hostmaster PROVENTUM From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 07:35:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26470 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com [163.179.3.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26461 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svr.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id HAA03895; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:12:46 -0700 Received: from tabdp.tabfs.com by svr.tabfs.com id aa03562; 11 Jun 97 7:07 PDT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970611071340.00689390@svr.tabfs.com> X-Sender: dphillip@svr.tabfs.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:13:41 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Dale Phillips Subject: cd-writer and dd of root on another machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, As a long time lurker .... This is a great list. This question may be a bit off topic but I beleive it would be helpful to others. Here goes. In a multi sever environment with one cd-writer (hp6020i). I would like to create cd-roms of the root partitions on my other servers (not all freebsd :-( tho). I am not too familar with the guts of how cd-writers work other than I have to be careful that the "feed" to the writer is steady. Should I just dd from svr1 its root part. to svr2 to disk, Then dd to the cd-writer (disk space is ample)? Or do you think I could just do it directly to the cd-writer mount point from the foriegn root mount point? Then the big question how do you verify a backup to a cd-writer? Thanks -dp---------------------------------------- Dale Phillips Seize the day but ... dphillip@tabfs.com don't strangle it! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 07:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26627 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26621 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA27079; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970611102951.00c00df4@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:29:54 -0400 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , "J.D. Falk" From: dennis Subject: Re: Router Cc: muditha@seychelles.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> IMHO, Cisco /is/ the standard, and the only reason to go with >> anything else would have to be the price. But, as always, it >> depends heavily on what your requirements are. It depends what your doing. Ciscos dont to PPP well (although so dont lots of other products), and also on your technical prowess. If you are technically capable (ie, know how to debug WAN connections) they you can get more "bang for you buck" even at the same price with other choices. The $300/year is a factor that other routers dont have as well for support. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 08:10:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28660 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.ts.kiev.ua (viking.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28645 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua by smtp1.ts.kiev.ua with SMTP id RAA23554; (8.8.3/zah/2.1) Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:48:57 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id PAA18638; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:20:32 GMT Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id RAA01069; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:01:41 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05286; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:03:05 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <339E863C.C0A@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:04:16 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Victor A. Sudakov" CC: Jacob Suter , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix References: <199706110025.IAA03060@vas.tomsk.su> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > > Jacob Suter wrote: > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > No. The matter of Windows95 win, is that the computer+Win95 is superset of TV + game adapter. May be, for all *normal* peoples it is better, than "computer is computer". How to bring UNIX --- use it, write lamer interfaces for /etc customization (on Tk), and so -on In ideal, user must don't know, what OS he use. About commerce use of UNIX --- we must speak about UNIX as about best server OS. (And setup it to customers with Samba) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 08:56:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01416 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01411 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29222; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:06:47 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:06:46 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <339E2562.2C453FBA@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We do like to help people out with UNIX setups when possible, but as of late, we've been getting *alot* of calls from people with shiny new SGI 02's, that have never ventured outside the GUI. I have never even touched an SGI, much less seen how ppp is configured on one, so in cases like this, the answer ends up being, "call SGI tech support"... Now the BSD and Linux DYI's, those people are fun. They have an inherent curiosity, and they end up learning alot about the protocol in the process of setting up their PPP connections. All in all, we're much more likely to help folks running a free "unsupported" (those are sarcasm quotes, BTW) OS rather than Joe User who just bought a big SGI box for graphics use... my $.02 Charles On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Jacob Suter wrote: > > > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a > > packard bell).. > > > > JS > > Most "lowly lamer people" as you put it have _no_ interest in Unix. > They just want the latest whiz bang machine, loaded with the latest > version of whatever microsquish decides to pass off as an operating > system. > > Fortunatley, most of the people who are responsible for the exsistance > of freeBSD and Linux, actually want to help people learn more, rather > than treat everyone who knows less than they do as morons. > > We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. > That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. > > I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of unix, > are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. > I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are usually > not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even > change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. > > They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were a > beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the > exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that > there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute than > yourself... Why not pass it on? > > Bkm > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 11:10:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07755 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07745 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02088; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:10:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:10:16 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Christoffer Walther cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Christoffer Walther wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Anyway, unix is meant (imo) as a server os, and most isps wants the > clients to be windows based, NT and win95, becuz performance and > STABILITY doesnt really matter that much when we are talking clients. And > NT and win95 is, after all easier to handle for the average "normal" > person, than a unixbox is. I think its ok. I wouldnt advise any of my > customers to put FreeBSD and X on their lan PCs. I would however, hear > of no other OS than unix (be it freebsd, irix, solaris, linux, etc.) if > the customer wanted to setup his own mail, dns, web etc. server. This is the isp list, surely you folks have noticed the web and how much it's taking off. There's a lot of people out there who just want a box on their desk which gives them email, web browsing and news access. It's not hard to justify that for just those needs any UNIX with xdm and an average 'idiot' account would be perfectly adequate and possibly (although I'm not getting into that) more reliable. > > In short, go for a heavy unix server u put away in the basement and use > telnet for administration. Put NT on ur desktop (unless u need heavy > workstations ofcuz) Or if you wanted a lightweight desktop machine to be just a browser reader, use X, it's pretty much impossible for some idiot to do anything wrong to it, especially without the reset button. Then above that level there's the millions of office people worldwide who now want web/email & WORDPROCESSOR. So, because word is the only word processor (in their eyes), then they use that. All someone needs to do is actually come out with a decent word processor for say FreeBSD and you have probably put the number of possible users up by a few million, with less admin than for a windows machine. (it won't go wrong). I just thought I'd have to interupt here because customers never need root access really, you can sudo shutdowns etc. Being a normal user with only X access and some menuing shell as default wouldn't require a lot of support. Now, if someone wrote a decent unix wordprocessor, I can think of 8 people in this company here who I would move over to unix, for a start I'd not have to restart the stupid windows print server every third day when it regularly falls over. Just my $0.00001 worth. Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 11:14:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07915 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07900 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.3.81.131] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa206523 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <339EA0C2.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:57:48 +0000 From: Chris Dillon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Addy CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cliff Addy wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > > > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > I have to jump in on this. I've never had an easier time than with OS/2 > and FreeBSD, as much as I like and use it, was the worst. I frequent #FreeBSD on the Undernet (actually, I'm the channel owner) and used to get frequent pleas for help in setting up userland-ppp (I won't even get into kernel-ppp ) and had to finally create my own little step-by-step help file to help people get it set up. The manpage for ppp in FBSD 2.1.x and even the FAQ didn't seem to help them much (They were informational enough for me, at least). I noticed the greatly-improved documentation of ppp in 2.2.x while also noting a greatly decreased number of pleas for help. ;-> I haven't lately checked the FAQ so I don't know if it has had any improvements made to it in the area of setting up userland-ppp. Chris Dillon From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 13:15:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15166 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.neuronet.com.my (neuronet.com.my [202.184.153.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15161 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from love.com.my by duke.neuronet.com.my; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/25Jul96-0519PM) id AA19744; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:13:17 +0800 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:13:17 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612040642.00df3c50@neuronet.com.my> X-Sender: sweeting@neuronet.com.my (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: Nate Williams From: chas Subject: Re: 2 error messages may shed light on mailhub problem ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:28 PM 6/8/97 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >> NAA00753: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from >> btr-21-101.tm.net.my, from=> btr-21-101.tm.net.my > > >I used to see these when my boss MAC running Eudora got confused with >DNS things. Since he switched to a PC he's never seen them since, so I >suspect a bug in MacTCP. > Thanks a lot Nate. As it turns out, all of the criticism and hassle i've been getting results from client errors (from corrupt TCP/IP stacks to misconfiguration of eudora ....) - spent a couple of days there looking at all the things they were trying. Thank you to everyone who offered advice... good to know that i actually had it configured correctly for once :) chas >> >> jun 7 23:23:23 popper: Unable to get canonical name f client, err=60 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 16:59:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24388 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.iagnet.net (root@dilbert.iagnet.net [207.206.8.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24383 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by dilbert.iagnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18970; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706112356.TAA18970@dilbert.iagnet.net> Subject: Re: Router To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, jdfalk@cybernothing.org, muditha@seychelles.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970611102951.00c00df4@etinc.com> from dennis at "Jun 11, 97 10:29:54 am" RFC_Violation: You saw it here first! From: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net (Jamie Rishaw) X-PGP-Fingerprint: <921C135D> C4 48 1B 26 18 7B 1F D9 BA C4 9C 7A B1 07 07 E8 Reply-To: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net Organization: Internet Access Group, Inc. X-No-Archive: yes X-Face: >:-p X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> IMHO, Cisco /is/ the standard, and the only reason to go with > >> anything else would have to be the price. But, as always, it > >> depends heavily on what your requirements are. > > It depends what your doing. Ciscos dont to PPP well (although so > dont lots of other products), and also on your technical prowess. If Huh? We have about 150 T1 customers, probably 20 or more of them are PPP. The PPP connections are just as stable as the HDLC connections. We run them on AGS's and 7513s, both individual serial cards and channelized T3.. numbered and unnumbered. > you are technically capable (ie, know how to debug WAN connections) > they you can get more "bang for you buck" even at the same price with > other choices. The $300/year is a factor that other routers dont have as > well for support. Look into the Cisco 1600 series routers.. not a bad piece of equipment. We have probably a dozen 56K and T1 customers with 1600's. > > Dennis > Jamie Rishaw Internet Access Group -- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 DES: Help Crack the code! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 17:31:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25537 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lithium.dowco.com (lithium.dowco.com [206.12.26.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25521 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dphinney@localhost) by lithium.dowco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/DMC.4) id RAA15233 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "David K. Phinney" Message-Id: <199706120031.RAA15233@lithium.dowco.com> Subject: Sendmail 8.8 Autoconverting Quoted-printable to 8-bit... To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk RE: Sendmail 8.8 Autoconverting quoted-printable back to 8-bit on receipt This is good, right? One of my customers was upset because he noticed the `X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit' header in one of his messages. His argument was that MIME was becoming the industry standard and converting back to 8-bit was defeating MIME's purpose. Also, he wasn't getting the message exactly as it was sent (this is easily defeated, email is mashed and coverted all over the place on its way to the end server, even the sender's mailer is doing a conversion when it puts certain characters into the quoted printable sequence) What do I say to him? Should I turn this conversion off (and how?). I think it's a good thing, your mailer shouldn't have to handle those `=XX' sequences (or should it?). Please help! :) Regards, David K. Phinney Systems Administrator dowco.com internet _____________________ Email: dave@dowco.com PGP: http://www.dowco.com/~dphinney/pgpkey.txt Phone: +1 (604) 937-5505, ext. 238 Fax: +1 (604) 937-7610 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 02:33:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19026 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (sys1.london.uk.psi.net [154.32.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19020 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id KAA18412 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:33:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id KAA16295; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:11:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29473 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:14:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970612081442.006b0488@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:14:42 +0100 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:57 11/06/97 +0000, Chris Dillon wrote: > I noticed the >greatly-improved documentation of ppp in 2.2.x I have to agree. Great work guys :) -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 02:38:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19306 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (sys1.london.uk.psi.net [154.32.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19299 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id KAA18946; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:38:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id KAA16308; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:11:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29481; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970612081704.006b3f54@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:04 +0100 To: Stephen Roome , Christoffer Walther From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 19:10 11/06/97 +0100, Stephen Roome wrote: >Now, if someone wrote a decent unix wordprocessor, I can think of 8 people >in this company here who I would move over to unix, for a start I'd not >have to restart the stupid windows print server every third day when it >regularly falls over. Might be worth looking at Wordperfect. I hear that Corel ported the whole thing to java. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 02:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19567 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ziplink.net (mail.ziplink.net [199.232.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19549 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [199.232.240.21]) by mail.ziplink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03122 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pitlord@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA07043 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Ogren To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 03:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20619 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20614 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id FAA11153 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:11:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:11:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Demand Dial PPP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want my gate way box with NAT to be able to dial on demand if one of the other machine access the net.. lan is ether, and dialup is via PPP. Suggestions? .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 03:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22424 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helpdesk.euronet.nl (helpdesk.euronet.nl [194.134.1.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22419 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sake@localhost) by helpdesk.euronet.nl (8.8.4/8.6.12) id MAA08826; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:53:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sake Blok Message-Id: <199706121053.MAA08826@helpdesk.euronet.nl> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: robmel@nadt.org.uk (Robin Melville) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:53:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: steve@visint.co.uk, chrw@proventum.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sake@euronet.nl In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970612081704.006b3f54@wrcmail> from "Robin Melville" at Jun 12, 97 09:17:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Now, if someone wrote a decent unix wordprocessor, I can think of 8 people >in this company here who I would move over to unix, for a start I'd not >have to restart the stupid windows print server every third day when it >regularly falls over. You might want to look at Samba. At home I have my FreeBSD-box working as a printserver for my Win'95-machine . I don't print much but it has never fallen over :-) Sake -- Sake Blok * * EuroNet Internet Client Services Team * * Herengracht 208 - 214 * 1016 BS Amsterdam E-mail: sake@nl.euro.net * Tel: +31 20 625 61 61 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 04:22:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23564 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (scds.ziplink.net [206.15.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23559 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jseger@localhost) by freebsd.scds.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id GAA00156; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Justin M. Seger" Message-Id: <199706121031.GAA00156@freebsd.scds.com> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, tomthai@future.net Subject: Re: Demand Dial PPP Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ppp -auto -alias whereever should do the trick. -Justin Seger- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 07:35:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA29896 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29891 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06044; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612103403.00af02b0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:34:15 -0400 To: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net From: dennis Subject: Re: Router Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:56 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >> IMHO, Cisco /is/ the standard, and the only reason to go with >> >> anything else would have to be the price. But, as always, it >> >> depends heavily on what your requirements are. >> >> It depends what your doing. Ciscos dont to PPP well (although so >> dont lots of other products), and also on your technical prowess. If > >Huh? > >We have about 150 T1 customers, probably 20 or more of them are PPP. >The PPP connections are just as stable as the HDLC connections. >We run them on AGS's and 7513s, both individual serial cards and >channelized T3.. numbered and unnumbered. As for *stabliity*, you've been lucky as they send out random bad packets with echo enabled, theres no way to gracefully bring down the link (ie issuing a term request) and the performance is off vs hdlc with echo enabled. Of course I was talking about 2501's (as the discussion here certainly doesn't pertain to 7500 series routers), but I *assume* that they are running the same protocol code on both. Maybe not. db From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 08:01:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01192 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas.mip.ki.se (atlas.mip.ki.se [130.237.112.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01184 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nabil@localhost) by atlas.mip.ki.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05825 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:03:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Nabil Zary Reply-To: Nabil Zary To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SUMMARY: 5000 Telnet users/ Best choice In-Reply-To: <199706041217.IAA14511@dilbert.iagnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My question: > We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students > (for pine, irc, news, etc..). > We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at the same time. Taking into consideration all the answers (thank you all!), I choosed the following config: A PPro 200, 128Mb (for pine/irc/news) and will keep in mind 2Mb/online user. So a memory upgrade is already planned. The following services will be handled by separate FreeBSD boxes: SMTP DNS http + Anon FTP I am also planning a move from "pine" to web-based interface (eg hotmail, suggestions are very welcomed) Best regards, Nabil Zary Stockholm, Sweden From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 10:16:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08557 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cbiowa.com (root@mail.cbiowa.com [204.26.81.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08543 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup1.cbiowa.com (dialup1.cbiowa.com [204.26.81.101]) by mail.cbiowa.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01334 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:04 -0500 Received: by dialup1.cbiowa.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC772A.4F6F7E90@dialup1.cbiowa.com>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC772A.4F6F7E90@dialup1.cbiowa.com> From: Brian Weber To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Future Domain Scsi Card support Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:14:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA08551 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to install freebsd and I have an AMD 133 with a Future Domain 1800 Scsi 1 card. I looked at the supported hardware and seen that future domain 900 series was supported. Is there a way of adding additional drivers to the installation to support my 1800 card? Does anybody else have an 1800 series card that they have gotten to work and would be willing to help me get my to work also? Thanks for all your help. Brian Weber Brian@cbiowa.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 10:42:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09859 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h2o.journey.net (h2o.journey.net [207.227.162.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09854 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (listuser@localhost) by h2o.journey.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20997; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: listuser To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: "Victor A. Sudakov" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I probably have an interesting case I have POPS in Detroit/Chicago other areas of Michigan and part of Kansas. I have over 40% running on MAC about 22% Running on some variation of Unix. Less that 1% on OS/2 or BeOS. and the remainder splitting between Win95/Win3.1/WinNT. I am sure this stat is way out of the ordinary but we market for the Unix people and seem to get alot of Mac people from some strange reason :) --Matt Matthew S. Bailey journey communications, l.l.c mbailey@journey.net On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > We a provider here in NH.....Doesn't matter to us what you want to run. > Unix, Win95, NT....whatever it is were happy to help out. O yes > Even MACs are fine with us...... > > Stephen A. Derdau > XTDL inc > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > > > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > > > > > They all seem to end up saying "talk to your ISP" but my ISP will not > > > > > deal with anyone running any sort of U*ix system. Anyone got any ideas? > > > > > > > > I have seen many messages of this kind recently. Is it a new fashion in > > > > internet service providing or do those providers receive money from Bill > > > > Gates? > > > > > > I certainly don't receive money from Bill :-) > > > > Are you a provider? What is your company's attitude to clients running unix? > > > > > > > > Thing is, with larger ISPs, the clueful unix people are usually the > > > administrators, and are generally kept *AWAY* from user support. > > > The droids DOING user support dont know anything about unix, and so .. :) > > > > A regular customer only speaks to the support personnel. And suffers from > > their ignorance. Even if there is a clueful unix person in the company, the > > general customer is discouraged from using unix by the user support. I think > > this should be changed, and as soon as possible, too. Admins should say > > their word. > > > > I myself am lucky to have such an ISP who not only discourages me from using > > unix, but is very helpful and many times has given me a hand and helped me > > out of difficult situations. Of course, I am trying not to abuse this > > generosity and prefer to study a lot of things myself because I understand > > that if I had Win95 I would not ask so many questions (perhaps ;-)) > > > > May be I am somehow a special case but I have setup client internet software > > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > > > -- > > Victor Sudakov > > http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:21:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12023 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11921 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA26918; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:14:24 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id VAA10519; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:50:12 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706121350.VAA10519@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: PPP problems. To: adrian@obiwan.psinet.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:50:11 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Adrian Chadd" at "Jun 12, 97 08:06:46 am" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > Are you a provider? What is your company's attitude to clients running unix? > > I'm a sysadmin at an ISP, yes.. and I love people running unix. > In fact, I've setup a lot of boxes for people who want to try it out, > sadly though its never "Joe Bloggs" type average net user at home. Are you sure the user support people from your company are also looking forward to it? You are an admin, and you do not work directy with customers, do you? > > May be I am somehow a special case but I have setup client internet software > > on five platforms (MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, FreeBSD) and > > FreeBSD turned out to be the easiest. OS/2 was a nighmare. > > I've never done dialup with OS/2 (only ethernet) and that wasn't hard. Probably you were using Warp Connect? I was using just Warp 3 and I do not have pleasant memories about its Internet Connection Kit. And the ugly lame Web Explorer, it would not speak Russian without hacking and patching. > I have also set up net connections using Linux (since thats what is used > around here, something I'm trying to change:-). Do you really think there is any need to change anything? Linux is better than NT, anyway. Let Linux be a pathmaker for us, we can port software from it later ;-) > > Yes I agree admins should speak their piece, but they can't HOPE to get > anywhere until we have something to back it up. FreeBSD currently is > nowhere NEAR user-friendly enough for the Windows-comfortable people at > home. We would need something that came with X straight off, possibly wabi No. The point is different. I am not dreaming of persuading home users to trash their windows and install unix. ISPs just should remain compatible with clients running unix (sounds sad, doesn't it) and neither use any proprietary hardware, protocols, nor conceal any information from customers they need to setup a unix system. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:23:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12139 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12077 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA27192; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:18:17 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id WAA10579; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:42 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706121407.WAA10579@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: yura@binary.net (Yura Socolov) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:41 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706110255.VAA02934@matrix.binary.net> from "Yura Socolov" at "Jun 10, 97 09:55:49 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yura Socolov wrote: > > In your case, if I were in your shoes, if such a neophyte as you have > > described above, calls you and asks "how to exploit something cool", I > > would advise him/her some good books on Unix and man pages ;-))) > > > That would be fine, given those people actually wanted to learn, or actually > could comprehend, for that matter. But unfortunately, that is not so in > many cases, and certainly not in the cases of 'how do i hack something leet'. That depends. Sometimes I have to answer very silly questions about unix, but I do answer them. Anyway, my point was a bit different. Let's imagine for a minute, that Microsoft introduces a minor change into the PPP authentication in the next version of its Windows NT. ISPs runnning NT will not even notice it perhaps. But all unix customers will be automatically pissed off and forced to install Windows 95 or NT. Is this what we all want? Do not tell me that it is impossible. We have the example with windows encoding spreading like plague over the Russian web. The next step is that I am beginning to see messages in windows encoding in newsgroups. > > I don't mind, and actually like to teach people whatever i can. But why > waste your time on the '1337 dudez'? Let them die with NT and destroy > something there. And destroy the Internet too. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:28:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12476 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12348 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA27183; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:18:11 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id VAA10547; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:53:13 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706121353.VAA10547@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro F. Giffuni) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:53:12 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <339E507A.5845@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> from "Pedro F. Giffuni" at "Jun 11, 97 00:15:06 am" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > > > > Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > O yes os/2 as well......What diffrence should it make to this providers. > > > As long as their running tcp/ip any os should be acceptable? > > > > I can already see the future. Imagine the "Microsoft Internet (R)" and > > "TCP/IP Designed for Windows 95 (R)". And ISPs will have to be licensed and > > certified by Microsoft. We shall be the extinct minority with our unices and > > shall have to support MIP (R) - Microsoft Internet Protocol. > > > This is called "embrace and extend" :-(. Yes. The way an octopus kills its prey. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13449 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13444 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.6]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02196; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA19859; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router References: <3.0.32.19970612103403.00af02b0@etinc.com> From: Tony Li Date: 12 Jun 1997 11:42:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: dennis@etinc.com's message of 12 Jun 97 14:34:15 GMT Message-ID: <82k9jzbr31.fsf@chimp.jnx.com> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis@etinc.com (dennis) writes: > Of course I was talking about 2501's (as the discussion here > certainly doesn't pertain to 7500 series routers), but I *assume* > that they are running the same protocol code on both. Maybe > not. In fact, the 2501 and the 7500 share their PPP implementations as well as a whole raft of other device independent code. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:49:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13722 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.flask.com (root@ns1.flask.com [207.67.43.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13717 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: skat@flask.com Received: (from skat@localhost) by ns1.flask.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA14932; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:42:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:42:52 -0500 (CDT) To: listuser cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That's because most Mac Users realize that the unix people are much more friendly than the other OS people.... :-) - Next MacOS Rhapsody - is it a Mac or a unix? Shin On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, listuser wrote: > ... we market for the Unix people and seem to get > alot of Mac people from some strange reason :) > > --Matt > Matthew S. Bailey > journey communications, l.l.c > mbailey@journey.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:59:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14227 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h2o.journey.net (h2o.journey.net [207.227.162.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14222 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (listuser@localhost) by h2o.journey.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23780; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: listuser To: Robin Melville cc: Stephen Roome , Christoffer Walther , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970612081704.006b3f54@wrcmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You can get the linux beta from their website... On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Robin Melville wrote: > At 19:10 11/06/97 +0100, Stephen Roome wrote: > > >Now, if someone wrote a decent unix wordprocessor, I can think of 8 people > >in this company here who I would move over to unix, for a start I'd not > >have to restart the stupid windows print server every third day when it > >regularly falls over. > > Might be worth looking at Wordperfect. I hear that Corel ported the whole > thing to java. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service > Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) > Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 > Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk > WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ > --------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 12:16:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15143 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15138 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16364 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: secure remote backup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know of a secure remote backup solution for FreeBSD? By secure I mean encryption of the data stream and strong host authentication (a la SSH). Thanks. pbd -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 13:04:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17800 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17787 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA06900; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:16:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: "Victor A. Sudakov" cc: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <199706121353.VAA10547@vas.tomsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Shhhhhh don't say that......You dont know who is listening. Probably cutting and pasting everything and getting a laugh in the end. Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > > O yes os/2 as well......What diffrence should it make to this providers. > > > > As long as their running tcp/ip any os should be acceptable? > > > > > > I can already see the future. Imagine the "Microsoft Internet (R)" and > > > "TCP/IP Designed for Windows 95 (R)". And ISPs will have to be licensed and > > > certified by Microsoft. We shall be the extinct minority with our unices and > > > shall have to support MIP (R) - Microsoft Internet Protocol. > > > > > This is called "embrace and extend" :-(. > > Yes. The way an octopus kills its prey. > > > -- > Victor Sudakov > http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 13:07:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17964 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17956 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA07015; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:22:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:22:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: skat@flask.com cc: listuser , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is this true, " Mac is suppose to base their next version of their OS on a more Unix like plateform? If so I think it will be the best thing they can do right now........not really a techy here. But enjoy learning this stuff. :) Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 skat@flask.com wrote: > > That's because most Mac Users realize that the unix people are much > more friendly than the other OS people.... :-) > > - Next MacOS Rhapsody - is it a Mac or a unix? > > Shin > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, listuser wrote: > > > ... we market for the Unix people and seem to get > > alot of Mac people from some strange reason :) > > > > --Matt > > Matthew S. Bailey > > journey communications, l.l.c > > mbailey@journey.net > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 13:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18027 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain-gateway.iafrica.com (MEtW1Is6l5q9oj0WeAXY/afr0liyxbKW@chain-gateway.iafrica.com [196.31.1.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18018 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain-gateway.iafrica.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04036; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:55 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:54 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: secure remote backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: >Does anyone know of a secure remote backup solution for FreeBSD? By secure >I mean encryption of the data stream and strong host authentication (a la >SSH). How about something like tar -czf - /directory_that_you_want_to_tar | ssh dd of=/dev/nrst0 Of course, the user that you're doing it as (prob. root) must be in the other machines authorized_keys/shosts file, and the remote user must have write access to /dev/nrst0 We did this for a 3.2 gig drive, and it took a couple of hours (across a pretty quiet network). --- Khetan Gajjar | khetan@os.org.za www.freebsd.os.org.za/~khetan/ | khetan@iafrica.com PGP : finger khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za | I run FreeBSD - www.za.freebsd.org UUNET Internet Africa Support | 0800-030-002 & help@iafrica.com He hadn't a single redeeming vice. -- Oscar Wilde From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 14:06:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20834 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.iagnet.net (root@dilbert.iagnet.net [207.206.8.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20826 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by dilbert.iagnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26324; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706122103.RAA26324@dilbert.iagnet.net> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: listuser@h2o.journey.net (listuser) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: robmel@nadt.org.uk, steve@visint.co.uk, chrw@proventum.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from listuser at "Jun 12, 97 03:00:38 pm" RFC_Violation: You saw it here first! From: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net (Jamie Rishaw) X-PGP-Fingerprint: <921C135D> C4 48 1B 26 18 7B 1F D9 BA C4 9C 7A B1 07 07 E8 Reply-To: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net Organization: Internet Access Group, Inc. X-No-Archive: yes X-Face: >:-p X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've had Word Perfect 6 for Solaris for over a year now. > You can get the linux beta from their website... > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Robin Melville wrote: > > > At 19:10 11/06/97 +0100, Stephen Roome wrote: > > > > >Now, if someone wrote a decent unix wordprocessor, I can think of 8 people > > >in this company here who I would move over to unix, for a start I'd not > > >have to restart the stupid windows print server every third day when it > > >regularly falls over. > > > > Might be worth looking at Wordperfect. I hear that Corel ported the whole > > thing to java. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service > > Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) > > Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 > > Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk > > WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 DES: Help Crack the code! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 14:18:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21442 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohm.ingsala.unal.edu.co ([168.176.15.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21423 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem11.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.41]) by ohm.ingsala.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10175; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:13:57 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <33A08182.9B9@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:08:50 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen A. Derdau" CC: skat@flask.com, listuser , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It's true, that's why they bought Nextstep and relatives. They gave Linux a big push before that. Pedro Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > Is this true, " Mac is suppose to base their next version of their > OS on a more Unix like plateform? If so I think it will be the best > thing they can do right now........not really a techy here. But enjoy > learning this stuff. :) > > Stephen A. Derdau > XTDL inc > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 skat@flask.com wrote: > > > > > That's because most Mac Users realize that the unix people are much > > more friendly than the other OS people.... :-) > > > > - Next MacOS Rhapsody - is it a Mac or a unix? > > > > Shin > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, listuser wrote: > > > > > ... we market for the Unix people and seem to get > > > alot of Mac people from some strange reason :) > > > > > > --Matt > > > Matthew S. Bailey > > > journey communications, l.l.c > > > mbailey@journey.net > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 15:08:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23737 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23732 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA01606; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:07:03 -0700 (PDT) To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , skat@flask.com, listuser , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:08:50 PDT." <33A08182.9B9@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1602.866153223@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Uh, guys? Can we please get back to the topic of FreeBSD for Internet Service Providers? This has strayed _way_ far off topic, something which seems to happen regularly whenever Pedro is involved. :-) Thanks! Jordan "I already get way too much junk mail, thanks" Hubbard. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 16:26:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27231 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27225 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01229 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:26:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199706122326.SAA01229@ns1.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: USR-TC/Radius question Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is, quite obviously, not the most correct place to post this question, but I didn't know really where to start. I've got a lot of Cisco equipment that I've been using as access servers (Cisco 2511 and 5200 series). I recently purchases a USR Total Control with Netserver Card and am trying to get it working. Actually it does work I just need to tweak it a bit and that's what I'm having a problem with. This might actually be more of a radius question than a USR question. Here's the situation: Under Cisco, the dialin script looked something akin to: Username: bob Password: cisco> ppp default [DROP TO PPP MODE] Under USR it looks like this: Username: bob Password: [DROP to PPP MODE] I need the USR box to kick out that extra prompt, the 'cisco>' prompt. All of my scripts (as well as a lof of people who will dial into this box) depend on it being there. It can trash my response, in fact I expect/want it to. The USR support people are all saying its just a radius modification. I've read over all the radius stuff I can find (fun stuff by the way) and the nearest I can find is a Reply-Message atribute. Unfortunately that can only be used when sending a reject or a challenge... or so i'm led to believe. So, I am well and truly stuck. Please help me! -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 16:44:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27990 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27984 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous220.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.220]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00238; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:44:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA02185; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:08:21 +0200 (MET DST) To: "David K. Phinney" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.8 Autoconverting Quoted-printable to 8-bit... References: <199706120031.RAA15233@lithium.dowco.com> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 13 Jun 1997 01:08:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: "David K. Phinney"'s message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 10 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "David K. Phinney" writes: > RE: Sendmail 8.8 Autoconverting quoted-printable back to 8-bit on receipt > > This is good, right? Yes, it is a good thing. I love this feature of sendmail. My university use it for all incoming mails. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 20:24:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06938 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06933 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00584; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:31:19 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:31:19 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USR-TC/Radius question In-Reply-To: <199706122326.SAA01229@ns1.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There is a setting on the netserver that lets you set a "ppp connect message" or some similar terminoligy... If you were to put "cisco>" there, that may solve the problem. I assume the USR would ignore the response and start spewing forth PPP bits... Charles On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Steve Ames wrote: > > This is, quite obviously, not the most correct place to post this question, > but I didn't know really where to start. > > I've got a lot of Cisco equipment that I've been using as access servers > (Cisco 2511 and 5200 series). > > I recently purchases a USR Total Control with Netserver Card and am trying > to get it working. Actually it does work I just need to tweak it a bit and > that's what I'm having a problem with. This might actually be more of a > radius question than a USR question. > > Here's the situation: > > Under Cisco, the dialin script looked something akin to: > > Username: bob > Password: > cisco> ppp default > [DROP TO PPP MODE] > > Under USR it looks like this: > > Username: bob > Password: > [DROP to PPP MODE] > > I need the USR box to kick out that extra prompt, the 'cisco>' prompt. All > of my scripts (as well as a lof of people who will dial into this box) > depend on it being there. It can trash my response, in fact I expect/want > it to. > > The USR support people are all saying its just a radius modification. I've > read over all the radius stuff I can find (fun stuff by the way) and the > nearest I can find is a Reply-Message atribute. Unfortunately that can only > be used when sending a reject or a challenge... or so i'm led to believe. > > So, I am well and truly stuck. Please help me! > > -Steve > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 21:46:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA10031 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09895 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.l321.omsk.net.ru [127.0.0.1]) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28458 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:43:13 +0700 (OSD) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:43:13 +0700 (OSD) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: BoS: DNS abuse test (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Sir ! I have tested listed below. It works. What version of bind/named should I install ? Thanks. Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:56:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jordi Murgo To: best-of-security@suburbia.net Subject: BoS: DNS abuse test Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:27:22 +1000 (EST) Resent-From: best-of-security@suburbia.net Test your DNS serverver vulnerability: http://apostols.org/toolz/dnshack.cgi Salut, < jordi > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCM$ d- s+:+ a- C+++$ UL++++$ UH++++$ US++++$ P+++ L++++ E--- W+++ N++ w---(w+++$) M-- V-- X++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 00:25:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16301 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16295 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA13235; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:25:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: NT4.0 SP3 and Samba Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi... I've just installed service pack 3 on my NT4 workstation, and suddenly I can't use any of my FreeBSD Samba shares. They work fine on version before sp3. The error NT gives is 'Account is not allowed access from this host' or some such similarity. Seeing as I haven't changed my Samba setup, I would assume this is an NT bug? Anyone got any ideas? Cheers. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 02:25:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20393 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.psinet.net.au (for.a.good.time.call.adrian.austnet.org [203.19.28.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20385 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.psinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01909; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:01:46 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:01:46 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: "Victor A. Sudakov" cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP problems. In-Reply-To: <199706121350.VAA10519@vas.tomsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Victor A. Sudakov wrote: > > I'm a sysadmin at an ISP, yes.. and I love people running unix. > > In fact, I've setup a lot of boxes for people who want to try it out, > > sadly though its never "Joe Bloggs" type average net user at home. > Are you sure the user support people from your company are also looking > forward to it? You are an admin, and you do not work directy with > customers, do you? I'm a system administrator that actually HAS contact with most of his clients. We have about 700 or so .. and its growing, I don't like the idea of alienating myself from my clients, who I actually see quite a lot of sometimes IRL :) > > Yes I agree admins should speak their piece, but they can't HOPE to get > > anywhere until we have something to back it up. FreeBSD currently is > > nowhere NEAR user-friendly enough for the Windows-comfortable people at > > home. We would need something that came with X straight off, possibly wabi > > No. The point is different. I am not dreaming of persuading home users to > trash their windows and install unix. ISPs just should remain compatible > with clients running unix (sounds sad, doesn't it) and neither use any > proprietary hardware, protocols, nor conceal any information from customers > they need to setup a unix system. Sorry, I was a bit off topic. Yes, the internet isn't based around lots of Windows machines setting the 'standard'.. if Microsoft don't adhere to the standards set down by the internet then too fucking bad. Either it talks properly (ie UNIX) they don't talk at all. If they get shitty about it.. stick the RFC in their face and say "read and adhere". If they choose not to.. Well theres the problem. It works with the majority of their users (ie Windows) so why should they change anything? Sad, isn't it. (I'm all for home users running unix btw :) -- Adrian Chadd | "Unix doesn't stop you from doing | stupid things because that would | stop you from doing clever things" From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 03:05:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21953 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.morelr.com (morelr.com [206.240.28.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21948 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.morelr.com from localhost (router,SLmail95 V2.4); Fri, 13 Jun 97 05:05:34 Central Daylight Time Received: by mail.morelr.com from m3 (206.240.30.3::mail daemon; unverified,SLmail95 V2.4); Fri, 13 Jun 97 05:05:34 Central Daylight Time Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970613100532.0093d940@mail.morelr.com> X-Sender: "Rick Morel" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:05:32 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Rick Morel" Subject: Re: NT4.0 SP3 and Samba Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:25 AM 6/13/97 +0100, Scot Elliott wrote: >Hi... I've just installed service pack 3 on my NT4 workstation, and >suddenly I can't use any of my FreeBSD Samba shares. They work fine on >version before sp3. The error NT gives is 'Account is not allowed >access from this host' or some such similarity. > >Seeing as I haven't changed my Samba setup, I would assume this is an NT >bug? Anyone got any ideas? I ran into the same thing. With SP3, Samba has to be in the same workgroup or domain to access via Network Neighborhood. You can still map it as a network drive, however. I added "workgroup = MOREL" under "Global" in "smb.conf" (MOREL is my domain). Samba defaults to a workgroup of "WORKGROUP". There has to be a way around this, unless MS decided that one shouldn't be able to browse outside of one's workgroup? Rick Morel * * * * * * * * * * * * **** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rick Morel * # # # ### ### * * Morel Research, Ltd. * # # # # # * * New Iberia, LA * # # # # * * * # # # # # * * http://www.morelr.com * # # # ### ### * * * * * rmorel@morelr.com * * * * Keep It Simple Stupid! * * * * * * * * * * * **** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 03:21:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22653 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22647; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970613031051.009eb150@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:10:51 -0700 To: Scot Elliott , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: NT4.0 SP3 and Samba In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There's a posting on this at the Samba Web Site... http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html Randy Katz At 08:25 AM 6/13/97 +0100, Scot Elliott wrote: >Hi... I've just installed service pack 3 on my NT4 workstation, and >suddenly I can't use any of my FreeBSD Samba shares. They work fine on >version before sp3. The error NT gives is 'Account is not allowed >access from this host' or some such similarity. > >Seeing as I haven't changed my Samba setup, I would assume this is an NT >bug? Anyone got any ideas? > > >Cheers. > >Scot. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org > or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 04:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25886 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.kada.lt (alpha.kada.lt [193.219.13.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA25757 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dara by alpha.kada.lt (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/21Jun96-0218PM) id AA01007; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:45:59 +0300 Message-Id: <33A13428.9FD2E610@alpha.kada.lt> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:51:05 +0300 From: Darius Ramanauskas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Scot Elliott , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NT4.0 SP3 and Samba X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Scot Elliott wrote: > Hi... I've just installed service pack 3 on my NT4 workstation, and > suddenly I can't use any of my FreeBSD Samba shares. They work fine > on > version before sp3. The error NT gives is 'Account is not allowed > access from this host' or some such similarity. > > Seeing as I haven't changed my Samba setup, I would assume this is an > NT > bug? Anyone got any ideas? > The Service Pack 3 Documentation Section 3.6 reads: : Connecting to SMB servers (such as Samba and LAN Manager for UNIX) : with an unencrypted (plain text) password fails after upgrading to : Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3. This is because the SMB redirector : in Service Pack 3 handles unencrypted passwords differently than : previous versions of Windows NT. Beginning with Service Pack 3, the : SMB redirector will not send an unencrypted password unless you add : a registry entry to enable unencrypted passwords. For information : on how to modify the registry, search the Microsoft Knowledge Base : at http://www.microsoft.com/kb/ for the following article: Q166730. : This article also contains information on how to change the : Service Pack setup process so that unencrypted passwords are : enabled after the Service Pack is installed. However, Article Q166730 does NOT exist (at least I did not find it) on http://www.microsoft.com/kb/ But here is the registry entry necessary: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Rdr\Parameters] "EnablePlainTextPassword"=dword:00000001 Bye Darius From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 06:48:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00594 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from databus.databus.com (databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA00589 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Barney Wolff To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:43 EDT Subject: Re: USR-TC/Radius question Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <33a14f940.31ee@databus.databus.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:26:31 -0500 (EST) > From: Steve Ames > > The USR support people are all saying its just a radius modification. I've > read over all the radius stuff I can find (fun stuff by the way) and the > nearest I can find is a Reply-Message atribute. Unfortunately that can only > be used when sending a reject or a challenge... or so i'm led to believe. Reply-Message is allowed in an Access-Accept, according to RFC2138. Whether the TC would actually put it out before starting PPP is another question, and that I can't answer. Can't hurt to try. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 10:39:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09170 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09163 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18188 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14037; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:37:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:37:32 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Darius Ramanauskas cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NT4.0 SP3 and Samba In-Reply-To: <33A13428.9FD2E610@alpha.kada.lt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darius Ramanauskas typed... > > However, Article Q166730 does NOT exist (at least I did not find it) on > http://www.microsoft.com/kb/ > > But here is the registry entry necessary: > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Rdr\Parameters] > "EnablePlainTextPassword"=dword:00000001 > > Bye > > Darius > I can't find the article either.. but that might be because Microsoft's crappy NT web servers aren't doing searches at the moment. But the registry fix works anyway - thanks a lot. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 2322924 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 13:09:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16758 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16744 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by news.cioe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05513; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:11:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199706132011.PAA05513@news.cioe.com> To: spork@super-g.com, steve@ns1.cioe.com Subject: Re: USR-TC/Radius question Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can't seem to find that anywhere. *sigh* And the USR people insist its a radius issue still. -Steve > There is a setting on the netserver that lets you set a "ppp connect > message" or some similar terminoligy... If you were to put "cisco>" > there, that may solve the problem. I assume the USR would ignore the > response and start spewing forth PPP bits... > > Charles > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Steve Ames wrote: > > > > > This is, quite obviously, not the most correct place to post this question, > > but I didn't know really where to start. > > > > I've got a lot of Cisco equipment that I've been using as access servers > > (Cisco 2511 and 5200 series). > > > > I recently purchases a USR Total Control with Netserver Card and am trying > > to get it working. Actually it does work I just need to tweak it a bit and > > that's what I'm having a problem with. This might actually be more of a > > radius question than a USR question. > > > > Here's the situation: > > > > Under Cisco, the dialin script looked something akin to: > > > > Username: bob > > Password: > > cisco> ppp default > > [DROP TO PPP MODE] > > > > Under USR it looks like this: > > > > Username: bob > > Password: > > [DROP to PPP MODE] > > > > I need the USR box to kick out that extra prompt, the 'cisco>' prompt. All > > of my scripts (as well as a lof of people who will dial into this box) > > depend on it being there. It can trash my response, in fact I expect/want > > it to. > > > > The USR support people are all saying its just a radius modification. I've > > read over all the radius stuff I can find (fun stuff by the way) and the > > nearest I can find is a Reply-Message atribute. Unfortunately that can only > > be used when sending a reject or a challenge... or so i'm led to believe. > > > > So, I am well and truly stuck. Please help me! > > > > -Steve > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 17:24:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29204 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29199 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13574; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:32:04 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:32:04 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Steven Ames cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USR-TC/Radius question In-Reply-To: <199706132011.PAA05513@news.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk whoops, looking at the manual the PPP message is just an ascii string showing both IP addresses... Sorry about that... Looking through the NetServer manual however, I see a radius attribute called "Reply-Message". They don't elaborate on it, but you could try setting up your default entry in the Radius "users" file with this line added: Reply-Message = cisco> That may be it... They don't elaborate on what exactly the Reply-Message is used for, but I would guess it might do what you want... C On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Steven Ames wrote: > > Can't seem to find that anywhere. *sigh* And the USR people insist its > a radius issue still. > > -Steve > > > There is a setting on the netserver that lets you set a "ppp connect > > message" or some similar terminoligy... If you were to put "cisco>" > > there, that may solve the problem. I assume the USR would ignore the > > response and start spewing forth PPP bits... > > > > Charles > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Steve Ames wrote: > > > > > > > > This is, quite obviously, not the most correct place to post this question, > > > but I didn't know really where to start. > > > > > > I've got a lot of Cisco equipment that I've been using as access servers > > > (Cisco 2511 and 5200 series). > > > > > > I recently purchases a USR Total Control with Netserver Card and am trying > > > to get it working. Actually it does work I just need to tweak it a bit and > > > that's what I'm having a problem with. This might actually be more of a > > > radius question than a USR question. > > > > > > Here's the situation: > > > > > > Under Cisco, the dialin script looked something akin to: > > > > > > Username: bob > > > Password: > > > cisco> ppp default > > > [DROP TO PPP MODE] > > > > > > Under USR it looks like this: > > > > > > Username: bob > > > Password: > > > [DROP to PPP MODE] > > > > > > I need the USR box to kick out that extra prompt, the 'cisco>' prompt. All > > > of my scripts (as well as a lof of people who will dial into this box) > > > depend on it being there. It can trash my response, in fact I expect/want > > > it to. > > > > > > The USR support people are all saying its just a radius modification. I've > > > read over all the radius stuff I can find (fun stuff by the way) and the > > > nearest I can find is a Reply-Message atribute. Unfortunately that can only > > > be used when sending a reject or a challenge... or so i'm led to believe. > > > > > > So, I am well and truly stuck. Please help me! > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 18:30:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01980 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01962 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA14395; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:31:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:31:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: listuser cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nntp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 May 1997, listuser wrote: > If you have not found anyone yet let me know.. if you can still do this for me, please let me know. I need all the relevant info. Mine are: jupiter.future.net 204.130.134.5 > > On Thu, 29 May 1997, Tom T. Thai wrote: > > > My upstream provider is having some problems with his news service. Can > > someone on this list provide me a feed? > > > > > > .............. .................................... > > Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications > > tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 > > > > > > > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 20:43:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06722 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06716 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by news.cioe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20489; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:46:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199706140346.WAA20489@news.cioe.com> To: spork@super-g.com, steve@news.cioe.com Subject: Re: USR-TC/Radius question Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > whoops, looking at the manual the PPP message is just an ascii string > showing both IP addresses... Sorry about that... > > Looking through the NetServer manual however, I see a radius attribute > called "Reply-Message". They don't elaborate on it, but you could try > setting up your default entry in the Radius "users" file with this line > added: > > Reply-Message = cisco> > > That may be it... They don't elaborate on what exactly the Reply-Message > is used for, but I would guess it might do what you want... It actually took Reply-Message = "cisco> " but it worked! Thank you! I spent 6 hours on hold with USR while they talked about their version of radius and menuing, etc... I was getting really frustrated and my coworkers had started to avoid me (and I'm spending a Friday night screwing with the USR toy instead of having a life). THANK YOU! -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 13 22:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10130 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from negril.msrce.howard.edu (negril.msrce.howard.edu [138.238.128.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA10125 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by negril.msrce.howard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/24Feb97-8.2MPM) id AA06756; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:41:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:41:54 -0400 From: Aaron Jackson Message-Id: <9706140541.AA06756@negril.msrce.howard.edu> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PPP server Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I plan to setup a PPP server at the local jr. high (around 16 dial in lines) and I was looking at the Cyclades cycolm-8Yo multiport serial card, mainly because they support FreeBSD. Somebody mentioned that they have had trouble using this card. Has anybody had any experience with this particular card? Also, can anybody recommend any alternatives? I don't have my heart set on the Cyclades card, but I'm not too sure what else is available out there, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Aaron Jackson jackson@msrce.howard.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 14 07:38:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24837 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.185.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24811 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA24360 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:35:40 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id VAA04584 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:04:16 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706141304.VAA04584@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:04:15 +0800 (TSD) In-Reply-To: <339EA0C2.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> from "Chris Dillon" at "Jun 11, 97 12:57:48 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Dillon wrote: > I frequent #FreeBSD on the Undernet (actually, I'm the channel owner) > and used to get frequent pleas for help in setting up userland-ppp (I > won't even get into kernel-ppp ) and had to finally create my own > little step-by-step help file to help people get it set up. The manpage > for ppp in FBSD 2.1.x and even the FAQ didn't seem to help them much > (They were informational enough for me, at least). For me too, with one exception. I would not have been able to set up dial on demand on a dynamic IP address if I had not read the "Pedantic PPP Primer". -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 14 10:04:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29702 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.185.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29688 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA04784 for isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:04:07 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id VAA04717 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:34:45 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706141334.VAA04717@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: PPP problems. To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:34:45 +0800 (TSD) In-Reply-To: from "Adrian Chadd" at "Jun 13, 97 05:01:46 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adrian Chadd wrote: > Yes, the internet isn't based around lots of Windows machines setting the > 'standard'.. if Microsoft don't adhere to the standards set down by the > internet then too fucking bad. Either it talks properly (ie UNIX) they > don't talk at all. > > If they get shitty about it.. stick the RFC in their face and say "read > and adhere". If they choose not to.. Well theres the problem. It works > with the majority of their users (ie Windows) so why should they change > anything? > > Sad, isn't it. Yes, this is exactly what I am afraid of. The reason of my having started this thread is that I am trying to understand if ISPs can prevent this from happening. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm