From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 06:20:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07496 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-224.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07487; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA02795; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New FreeBSD app alert!!! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was cleaning out my inbox and saw this neat little thing. I thought I'd pass it on to the FreeBSD community to share and enjoy. Anyway, the program is called Freequalizer, and it is basically a server management thingie that allows you to build a cluster of TCP/IP servers, and it does load balancing, network address translating (to allow any number of servers to sit behind a single IP address), server failure detection, and a lot of other goodies. Apparently this package has been out for quite a while, and is used by a lot of big Internet sites (they cite the Internet Movie DAtabase (www.imdb.com) as an example). And the best part is... it is available in a downloadable package form, *free of charge* to the FreeBSD community. (the free version has some limitations, though...) Still and all, though, IMHO, this is a Very Good Thing(tm), because any new apps ported and made available for FreeBSD can only benefit us. Maybe someone should hack up something for -announce re: this?... -----FW: <3.0.3.32.19980625150541.007c9dd0@shell2.ba.best.com>----- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:05:41 -0700 From: "Coyote Point Systems, Inc. - Marc Roth" To: dburr@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Hi Donald, Please take a look at our upcoming FreeBSD software announcement and let me know what you think. http://www.coyotepoint.com/freequalizer.shtml Best Regards, Marc Roth Vice President, Business Development Coyote Point Systems, Inc. (650) 969 6000 --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 10:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11420 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-224.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11397; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA19519; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: freebsd-advocacy@colossus.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Public apology for my recent posting Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a public apology regarding my recent posting to these lists. Several people have made me aware that these people had spammed this message to all e-mail addresses @freebsd.org. I was not aware of this. For the record, I have *NO* relations with the Coyote POint folks -- I do not work for them, I'm not related to anyone who works for them, etc. I just saw this in my inbox, thought "hmm, I must've subscribed to some sort of -announce list a long time ago, and they sent me something", and figured that I would forward it on to the lists since it seemed to me to be a Good Thing (tm). I was unaware of the extenuating circumstances. - dburr --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 10:58:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20193 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20065; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05891; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:50:07 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Donald Burr cc: freebsd-advocacy@colossus.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Public apology for my recent posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Donald Burr wrote: > This is a public apology regarding my recent posting to these lists. > Several people have made me aware that these people had spammed this > message to all e-mail addresses @freebsd.org. I was not aware of this. Really? Your posting was the first I had seen of Coyotepoint. And I am subscribed to several lists, Maybe I just missed it. Maybe I am missing your point, but are we boycotting them because they spammed the lists? Doesn't seem right if that is the case. Please elaborate a little, cause I want to put this in the next issue of the RQN. Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 11:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27641 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27600; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807061840.LAA27600@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Public apology for my recent posting In-Reply-To: from Donald Burr at "Jul 6, 98 10:13:25 am" To: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@colossus.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Donald Burr wrote: > This is a public apology regarding my recent posting to these lists. > Several people have made me aware that these people had spammed this > message to all e-mail addresses @freebsd.org. I was not aware of this. > > For the record, I have *NO* relations with the Coyote POint folks -- I do > not work for them, I'm not related to anyone who works for them, etc. I > just saw this in my inbox, thought "hmm, I must've subscribed to some sort > of -announce list a long time ago, and they sent me something", and > figured that I would forward it on to the lists since it seemed to me to > be a Good Thing (tm). I was unaware of the extenuating circumstances. dont feel to bad donald, after reading the message i considered sending it on to frebsd-isp, but didnt. shame they chose to spam us at some point in the past. looked like an interesting product. ;( jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 16:54:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14164 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14130 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00766; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:53:19 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:43 +1200 (NZST) From: Jonathan Chen To: Chris Coleman cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Public apology for my recent posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > Maybe I am missing your point, but are we boycotting them because they > spammed the lists? Doesn't seem right if that is the case. Please > elaborate a little, cause I want to put this in the next issue of the RQN. Well, I personally don't want to buy anything from spammers, 'cos any response to them would indicate to them that spamming works. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "A person should be able to do a small bit of everything, specialisation is for insects" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 19:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29681 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29674 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13215; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807070236.TAA13215@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:35:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What's next regarding advocacy? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently there were some messages regarding different things we could do to promote FreeBSD. Where do we go from here? One suggestion: Why don't we collect a list of suggestions/ideas, put them somewhere, let everyone read the suggestions, suggest news ones or combinations of ones they have seen and then see which one people think are the most viable (i.e. we can afford and will get FreeBSD noticed). I volunteer to get the emails, compile them into an ASCII file anyone can FTP (or should we make it a web page?) and place it somewhere. We can discuss on this list the merits of the different proposals? We can also just send the suggestions to the list and I will get them from there. Just make sure you denote that it is to be put on the compilation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 6 21:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17447 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.1.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17439 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (androzani-2-132.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.95.70]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.0) id XAA08586; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:27:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA09227; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:27:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980707042705.ZM9226@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:27:05 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" "What's next regarding advocacy?" (Jul 6, 10:35pm) References: <199807070236.TAA13215@newsguy.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: "Francisco Reyes" , "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG " Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 6, 10:35pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Subject: What's next regarding advocacy? > Recently there were some messages regarding different things we could > do to promote FreeBSD. > > Where do we go from here? > One suggestion: Why don't we collect a list of suggestions/ideas, put > them somewhere, let everyone read the suggestions, suggest news ones > or combinations of ones they have seen and then see which one people > think are the most viable (i.e. we can afford and will get FreeBSD > noticed). > > I volunteer to get the emails, compile them into an ASCII file anyone > can FTP (or should we make it a web page?) and place it somewhere. We > can discuss on this list the merits of the different proposals? We > can also just send the suggestions to the list and I will get them > from there. Just make sure you denote that it is to be put on the > compilation. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Francisco Reyes You willingness to takt on this job would be great. A web page would be ideal if a place can be found tp present the files. Second choice would be the ftp download, which could work well also. Keeping track of the various on-going projects and who is working on what would be a big help to maintain focus. Regards, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 7 03:04:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01321 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01301; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13932; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:03:32 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA21163; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980707120330.22921@follo.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:30 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Chris Coleman , Donald Burr Cc: freebsd-advocacy@colossus.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Public apology for my recent posting References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Coleman on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 10:50:07AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 10:50:07AM -0700, Chris Coleman wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Donald Burr wrote: > > > This is a public apology regarding my recent posting to these lists. > > Several people have made me aware that these people had spammed this > > message to all e-mail addresses @freebsd.org. I was not aware of this. > > Really? Your posting was the first I had seen of Coyotepoint. And I am > subscribed to several lists, Maybe I just missed it. > > Maybe I am missing your point, but are we boycotting them because they > spammed the lists? Doesn't seem right if that is the case. Please > elaborate a little, cause I want to put this in the next issue of the RQN. They spammed all the accounts on freebsd.org. Not the mailing lists, just the personal accounts. I originally thought I'd gotten it because they used some of my code... Anyway, I don't think we should boycott them, but should just politely inform them that this is not acceptable. I (trusting person as I am) don't think they meant harm with it - they asked for feedback on their announcement, attempting to reach the group that would be likely to have license disagreements etc (given that their high-end product is based on FreeBSD). None of us would have reacted negatively if they had sent the message to committers@freebsd.org (which would reach most of the same people) with the same 'does this announcement look OK to you' question - I don't think we should react too harshly that they made the possibly honest mistake of sending it to each address instead. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 7 18:10:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08687 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08682 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05533; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807080110.SAA05533@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG " Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:10:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:27:05 +0000, Frank Pawlak wrote: ->> I volunteer to get the emails, compile them.... >Keeping track of the various on-going projects and who is working >on what would be a big help to maintain focus. Are there any ongoing projects? Could anyone comment on what if anything is been done in terms of marketting for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 7 18:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08687 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08682 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05533; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807080110.SAA05533@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG " Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:10:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:27:05 +0000, Frank Pawlak wrote: ->> I volunteer to get the emails, compile them.... >Keeping track of the various on-going projects and who is working >on what would be a big help to maintain focus. Are there any ongoing projects? Could anyone comment on what if anything is been done in terms of marketting for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 02:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00985 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.zebra.net (shell.ZEBRA.net [209.12.240.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00969 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Received: from localhost (saten@localhost) by shell.zebra.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA16158; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:48:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:48:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Francisco Reyes cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG " Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? In-Reply-To: <199807080110.SAA05533@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Could anyone comment on what if anything is been done in terms of > marketting for FreeBSD? I can comment on a single act of marketing, the X11 theme contest. One of its many purposes is to show developers that we _can_ have a graphical image and multimedia is a snap. It also has several other purpose in which I will not go into right now, but marketing is one. Read more about it at http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest/ - and you should enter it, win an awesome prize. -- Phillip Salzman | FreeBSD X11 Desktop Theme Contest eclipse@gulf.net | http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest/ ________________/^\________________________________________| F r e e B S D F r e e B S D F r e e B S D F r e e B S D | ________________________________/ \ / /| /| / | / | | | |`\ |`\ | / \ _|_ _|_ | \O O \\\` | | |_/ |/| || | Desktop Theme Contest \_________////\_______ /\ | http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest/ \__/ \| ______________________________________________________/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 02:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02188 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02159 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA10110; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807080225.TAA10110@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@freebsd.org" , "Wes Peters" Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:24:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:03:04 -0600 (MDT), Wes Peters wrote: >% You willingness to takt on this job would be great. A web page would be >% ideal if a place can be found tp present the files. Second choice would >% be the ftp download, which could work well also. >% >% Keeping track of the various on-going projects and who is working on what >% would be a big help to maintain focus. > >I agree. If you don't want the pages at freebsd.org for whatever reason, >I can host them. I think Jordan can probably make space for us on >the freebsd.org server, though. ;^) It is not about not wanting them at freebsd.org. It is just that it is much easier "for me" to have them somewhere where I already have access. Besides freebsd.org probably has enough traffic as it is anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 02:17:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04011 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03841 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00733; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807080203.UAA00733@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? From: Wes Peters To: reyesf@newsguy.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, fpawlak@execpc.com Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <980707042705.ZM9226@darkstar.connect.com> References: <980707042705.ZM9226@darkstar.connect.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 (TrialWare) X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA03884 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Frank Pawlak (fpawlak@execpc.com) saying: % On Jul 6, 10:35pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: % > Where do we go from here? % > One suggestion: Why don't we collect a list of suggestions/ideas, put % > them somewhere, let everyone read the suggestions, suggest news ones % > or combinations of ones they have seen and then see which one people % > think are the most viable (i.e. we can afford and will get FreeBSD % > noticed). % > % > I volunteer to get the emails, compile them into an ASCII file anyone % > can FTP (or should we make it a web page?) and place it somewhere. We % > can discuss on this list the merits of the different proposals? We % > can also just send the suggestions to the list and I will get them % > from there. Just make sure you denote that it is to be put on the % > compilation. % % You willingness to takt on this job would be great. A web page would be % ideal if a place can be found tp present the files. Second choice would % be the ftp download, which could work well also. % % Keeping track of the various on-going projects and who is working on what % would be a big help to maintain focus. I agree. If you don't want the pages at freebsd.org for whatever reason, I can host them. I think Jordan can probably make space for us on the freebsd.org server, though. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" 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Article: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980707/active_con_1.html Homepage: http://www.activeconcepts.com __________ Rick Siple RickSiple@MPAInc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 13:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27115 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:48:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27110 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA15642 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:42:05 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman Reply-To: Chris Coleman To: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <11FFBC5E23EDD111AF8D006008CEB82D014D8A@EXCHANGESERVER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anybody given any thought to starting a FreeBSD E-zine? A Web Published Magazine of sorts? FreeBSD needs a Magazine, and maybe we could start out just publishing a small one on the web, till it takes off. Just a thought. I'd volunteer to write a Newbie column for it. Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 14:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01357 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01351 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07363; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Chris Coleman cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > Has anybody given any thought to starting a FreeBSD E-zine? A Web > Published Magazine of sorts? There was going to be one but I think it died an early death - it was to be BSDWeek as I recall. I think the web page it was on is gone too... checking... yep. > Just a thought. I'd volunteer to write a Newbie column for it. Then get going! :-) It's easier to start a zine if we had at least one article! Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ How many Microsoft employees does it take to change a light bulb? Zero. They declared Darkness[tm] the standard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 15:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10811 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@hobbes.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10805 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA18490; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:51:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Chris Coleman cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > Has anybody given any thought to starting a FreeBSD E-zine? A Web > Published Magazine of sorts? FreeBSD needs a Magazine, and maybe we could > start out just publishing a small one on the web, till it takes off. Hehe... I was just thinking this last night. :) I got thinking about old computer magazines (say, Apple II days...), and thought FreeBSD needed a magazine. The E-zine idea is surely a great way to start. We do have some organized (somewhat? :) ) newsletter(s). ? Who all is doing what right now is the question. Sheez... I really need to go look at some of the available FreeBSD stuff (ie books, etc.) I've seen things about new, good, books, but I have NO idea what references are out there. (Shame on me...) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 18:13:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28133 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28120 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00938; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:05:26 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Doug Russell cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hehe... I was just thinking this last night. :) I got thinking about > old computer magazines (say, Apple II days...), and thought FreeBSD needed > a magazine. The E-zine idea is surely a great way to start. > > Who all is doing what right now is the question. Well, Lets get organized! We need: An Editor. :-) Web Site: Webmaster/Formatter: Columnists: Itinerant Article Writers: Newsies: Graphic Artists: If we get enough people to volunteer, we might be able to pull this off. I have already volunteered to write a column, and I have the rough draft of the first article already done. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 20:53:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18907 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18894 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09660; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:52:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Chris Coleman cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, > We need: > An Editor. :-) > Web Site: > Webmaster/Formatter: > Columnists: > Itinerant Article Writers: > Newsies: > Graphic Artists: I could certainly host the site. My machine is sitting at the end of a T1 so I have plenty of bandwidth. I could also in theory write an article if I could figure out what to write about. I don't claim to be a graphic artist, but I like messing w/ the Gimp. :-) Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ How many Microsoft employees does it take to change a light bulb? Zero. They declared Darkness[tm] the standard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 20:55:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19225 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19212 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrF-09.aei.ca [206.186.205.9]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04531; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A43DAF.88FBFD3E@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:49:03 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman CC: Doug Russell , "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Coleman wrote: > > > Hehe... I was just thinking this last night. :) I got thinking about > > old computer magazines (say, Apple II days...), and thought FreeBSD needed > > a magazine. The E-zine idea is surely a great way to start. > > > > Who all is doing what right now is the question. > > Well, Lets get organized! > > We need: > An Editor. :-) > Web Site: > Webmaster/Formatter: > Columnists: > Itinerant Article Writers: > Newsies: > Graphic Artists: > > If we get enough people to volunteer, we might be able to pull this off. > I have already volunteered to write a column, and I have the rough draft > of the first article already done. > > -Chris Why not something who will look like http://www.beforever.com/ and who will be like a "link and news place (newbie support, tips etc...)". I have find that: http://freebsd-online.ml.org/ wich is a little start. Also, why not doing a news center for all BSD? I know several people who have FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. www.bsd-news.org -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 21:42:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23980 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23921 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15980; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807090441.VAA15980@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" , "Chris Coleman" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:41:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: >Has anybody given any thought to starting a FreeBSD E-zine? A Web >Published Magazine of sorts? FreeBSD needs a Magazine, and maybe we could >start out just publishing a small one on the web, till it takes off. >Just a thought. I'd volunteer to write a Newbie column for it. Also recently you wrote.... ****FreeBSD Really quick newsletter >This is a monthly Newsletter, published only by E-mail. >If you have anything you would like to see in the next edition, >please send e-mail to fbsd-book@vmunix.com >Chris Coleman I liked the Quick newsletter because it serves a void from the FreeBSD pages. To give somewhat recent news of what is going on with FreeBSD. The Ezine is a great idea, but I think it would be best to go through the FreeBSD documentation project and see how to best integrate what would go into an Ezine with the existing FreeBSD pages. One of the problems with the FreeBSD pages is that they seem Stale after one visits them for a while. The newsflash is updated seldom. >Well, Lets get organized! >We need: > An Editor. :-) Chris, you seem like a good candidate. Why don't you take the job. > Web Site: Best to use Freebsd.org since it is mirrored. > Webmaster/Formatter, Graphic Artists > Columnists, Itinerant Article Writers: > Newsies: Why not start with something simpler like improving on having the newsflash page made more lively and have the most recent newsflash on the top FreeBSD page. Will give us an exercise in the type of things we would put in the E-zine. My main concern is that it is a lot of work to get the job done right and some people may be able to put the time/hours initialy and then later on not be able to continue. Starting small (i.e. newsflash) may be able to give us an idea of the dimention of what it would take to have a good E-zine. Anothe simple approach is why not just have something like the Quick Newsletter on the WEB. Nothing really fancy, just something which is updated regularly, Bi-weekly may be best, and has the latest FreeBSD news. I just kind of wonder how much from there really belongs in the newsflash. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 21:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25380 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25375 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08473; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" , "Chris Coleman" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:41:29 EDT." <199807090441.VAA15980@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <8469.899960061@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One of the problems with the FreeBSD pages is that they seem Stale > after one visits them for a while. The newsflash is updated seldom. Fresh news begins at home. :) I'm sure that the webmeisters will be more than happy to add newsworthy items if people start actually sending them pointers at www@freebsd.org. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 21:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25631 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25626 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:57:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA16874; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807090457.VAA16874@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Malartre" Cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:56:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:49:03 -0400, Malartre wrote: >I have find that: http://freebsd-online.ml.org/ wich is a little start. I was surprised to see this site and even more surprised I had never heard of it. I read a both FreeBSD newsgroups and a few lists. Never saw this site. A bit sad, since this indicates poor marketting from the person running that site. >Also, why not doing a news center for all BSD? Probably too political. I like the idea of an E-zine, but worry we would start something and later on drop it. freebsd-online.ml.org is most certainly a start; they layout seems good, it is just a matter of putting some content. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 22:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26465 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26459 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17269; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807090504.WAA17269@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Phillip Salzman" Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG " Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:04:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's next regarding advocacy? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:48:24 -0500 (CDT), Phillip Salzman wrote: >> Could anyone comment on what if anything is been done in terms of >> marketting for FreeBSD? > >I can comment on a single act of marketing, the X11 theme contest. I saw the contest. I think it is great. We do need other things though. Recently read somewhere that articles are a good way of marketting. Maybe we should try writing a few and sending them to magazines/writers to see if we can get a few articles at least mentioning of FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 22:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26900 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26895 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17454; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807090508.WAA17454@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:07:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:54:21 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Fresh news begins at home. :) > >I'm sure that the webmeisters will be more than happy to add >newsworthy items if people start actually sending them pointers at >www@freebsd.org. But how about things like prospect release dates. I saw on a list the proposed dates for the next 2 or 3 versions. A few days later when someone asked I went to the pages to see the dates to reply to this person and did not find the info on the pages. Isn't something like next releases a good candidate for newsflash? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 22:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00659 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.zebra.net (shell.zebra.net [209.12.240.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00654 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Received: from localhost (saten@localhost) by shell.zebra.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21646; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:37:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:37:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Chris Coleman cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > Has anybody given any thought to starting a FreeBSD E-zine? A Web > Published Magazine of sorts? FreeBSD needs a Magazine, and maybe we could > start out just publishing a small one on the web, till it takes off. I've had several thoughts about doing a real-life magazine for FreeBSD and other UNIX's. This would attract more attention in the suits world than a website. I am unsure about the cost of something such as this, but I am almost sure it is out of my budget as being a teenager. If we can find some sponsors, and investors to put-stake into such an operation, I/we may be able to pull it off. -- Phillip Salzman eclipse@gulf.net | FreeBSD X11 Desktop Theme Contest " The one with | Coordinator - the most toys."| http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 8 23:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06562 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:37:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06557 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01653; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:29:40 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Francisco Reyes cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807090441.VAA15980@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Also recently you wrote.... > > ****FreeBSD Really quick newsletter > >This is a monthly Newsletter, published only by E-mail. > >If you have anything you would like to see in the next edition, > >please send e-mail to fbsd-book@vmunix.com > >Chris Coleman > > I liked the Quick newsletter because it serves a void from the > FreeBSD pages. To give somewhat recent news of what is going on with > FreeBSD. This does fill a void, and I plan on keeping this up. An E-zine wouldn't replace this. > > The Ezine is a great idea, but I think it would be best to go through > the FreeBSD documentation project and see how to best integrate what > would go into an Ezine with the existing FreeBSD pages. > I disagree with that. An E-zine would be very different from the Documentation project. I am looking for a small team of volunteers, big enough group that we can handle when people are busy and still get the e-zine out. I was hoping to get an e-zine that printed every two months. Its contents could be dynamic, so we had no constraints on how large or small it was. We could just print it when we thought we had enough stuff. I am finding that I almost have enough stuff to print a RQN every two weeks. I just plan for once a month incase I get busy. It will be easy to incorportate alot of people into this project. I was forseeing jobs like "list watching" people who just watch one list and write a small column on what has been happening on that list over that two month period. If I get enough of these volunteers We can keep an e-zine very well published. > One of the problems with the FreeBSD pages is that they seem Stale > after one visits them for a while. The newsflash is updated seldom. > That is one reason I would like to separate this from FreeBSD.org is because the people who have 'Rights' there are already overloaded. > > >Well, Lets get organized! > >We need: > > An Editor. :-) > > Chris, you seem like a good candidate. Why don't you take the job. > > I will volunteer to be the project coordinator and write a column, but my editing skills are not up to par. > > Web Site: > > Best to use Freebsd.org since it is mirrored. We could always get our site mirrored by FreeBSD.org. > > Anothe simple approach is why not just have something like the Quick > Newsletter on the WEB. Nothing really fancy, just something which is > updated regularly, This is my plan exactly. To start small and build from there. I just need a core team and web site. I have a couple volunteers and a site so far. I think we will build momentum with each issue. -Chris Coleman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 06:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12207 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12202 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA10868; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807091316.GAA10868@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:15:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:29:40 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: >I was hoping to get an e-zine that printed every two months. Although nice to have something printed don't really see the advantages. Also if we keep it online only we could submit some of our articles to the FreeBSD Newsletter. >write a small column on what has been happening on that list over that two >month period. If I get enough of these volunteers We can keep an e-zine >very well published. That sounds like a good idea. We could have alternating columns so the E-zine is published let's say monthly and then certain columns are printed every 2/3 months. These columns would rotate. This way the people maintaining them would have enough time to prepare them. >> One of the problems with the FreeBSD pages is that they >>seem Stale after one visits them for a while. The newsflash is updated seldom. >> >That is one reason I would like to separate this from FreeBSD.org is >because the people who have 'Rights' there are already overloaded. Agree. I once submited some small diffs to the FreeBSD pages and they never made it. >> Anothe simple approach is why not just have something like the Quick >> Newsletter on the WEB. Nothing really fancy, just something which is >> updated regularly, > >This is my plan exactly. To start small and build from there. did you see the url for freebsd online? freebsd-online.ml.org That site or design could be a starting point. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 06:47:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14688 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from micro.internexus.net (internexus.net [206.152.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14683 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cliff@cliffsworld.com) Received: from mother (ppp47.internexus.net [206.152.14.239]) by micro.internexus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02105 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:47:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199807091347.IAA02105@micro.internexus.net> X-Sender: compatriot@mail.internexus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:46:29 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: cliff ainsworth III Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: References: <199807090441.VAA15980@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Something we also might consider when deciding on a format. BeOS's is a decent and informative format. Its an email only. Silicon Alley News is an email only but it actually duplicates what is on the site for that week. They catch readers coming and going. ZDNET and CNET, email specials where there is a paragraph teaser with a link back to the site for the full story. Will we have enough fresh articles for a once a week zine or every two weeks? It has to be consistent, we don't want to fall into UGU's once every month and a half or so mailing. After we get enough subscribers I guess it would be possible to charge to sponsor the mailing. Silicon Alley news has truly mastered that angle. Or will charging cause accounting problems on FreeBSD's end? If we follow the email w/website format.... I like the idea of the newbie column as we can redirect readers to those portions of the FreeBSD.org site. We could have a section of product launches. This would certainly get us noticed by companies that have products that run on FreeBSD. We could probably even have a bleeding edge section as well. Maybe highlights on people/entities working on real interesting uses of FreeBSD. An events section...etc. Although I think many things written about in the e-zine will probably be duplicated in the mailing lists, we might be able to grab a different audience with the e-zine. Why not have an international section as well? I think we should also track the events in Japan. They have a great user base as well. Maybe somebody on the Japanese end of FreeBSD could email us whats going on over there and we can include it. Maybe they would print what is happening over here in their local language version. We could do this with other languages too. And as much as I hate the word "webring" perhaps those of us who run our own sites would consider mirroring the zine on their sites and forming one. Count me in on it. We can never reach 100% market saturation but we certainly can aspire to it. This might be a great way to expand our community a little more. And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? well........just a few ideas on the subject. -cliff -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Far better it is to dare mighty deeds then to take rank with those poor timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 06:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15156 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from micro.internexus.net (internexus.net [206.152.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15151 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cliff@cliffsworld.com) Received: from mother (ppp47.internexus.net [206.152.14.239]) by micro.internexus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02328 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:53:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199807091353.IAA02328@micro.internexus.net> X-Sender: compatriot@mail.internexus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:51:55 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: cliff ainsworth III Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807091316.GAA10868@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >That sounds like a good idea. We could have alternating columns so >the E-zine is published let's say monthly and then certain columns >are printed every 2/3 months. These columns would rotate. This way >the people maintaining them would have enough time to prepare them. I agree, even writing 8-10 paragraphs can be an excruciating experience and actually takes time to prepare so it is an effective piece of writing. And when you are busy, you want as much time as possible to prepare. -cliff /--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----\ PGP 5.0 public key available ICQ-355607 -You look at things you do not understand and say-Why? I dream about things that could never be and say-Why not? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 07:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21286 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21280 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05624; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:31:14 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Francisco Reyes cc: "Advocacy Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807091316.GAA10868@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:29:40 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: > > >I was hoping to get an e-zine that printed every two months. > > Although nice to have something printed don't really see the > advantages. Also if we keep it online only we could submit some of > our articles to the FreeBSD Newsletter. I didn't mean Hardcopy Printed. Online printed :-) > > >write a small column on what has been happening on that list over that two > >month period. If I get enough of these volunteers We can keep an e-zine > >very well published. > > That sounds like a good idea. We could have alternating columns so > the E-zine is published let's say monthly and then certain columns > are printed every 2/3 months. These columns would rotate. This way > the people maintaining them would have enough time to prepare them. > Wonderful. Even better than I had thought of. > > did you see the url for freebsd online? freebsd-online.ml.org > That site or design could be a starting point. I did see it, it looks good. The other sites mentioned look real good to. Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 07:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22494 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22489 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05643; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:39:58 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: cliff ainsworth III cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807091347.IAA02105@micro.internexus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, cliff ainsworth III wrote: > > Something we also might consider when deciding on a format. > > BeOS's is a decent and informative > format. Its an email only. Silicon Alley News > is an email only but it actually > duplicates what is on the site for that week. They catch readers coming and > going. ZDNET and CNET, email specials where there is a paragraph teaser > with a link back to the site for the full story. This is kinda what I plan to do with the RQN. Publish the RQN over e-mail and get everybody's attention and point them to the E-zine. > > Will we have enough fresh articles for a once a week zine or every two > weeks? It has to be consistent, we don't want to fall into UGU's once every > month and a half or so mailing. This will depend on how many people we get. I am going to shoot for a longer time between publishings. As we get submissions and such, publish more frequently. I plan the RealQuick Newsletter for a monthly mailing, and get enough stuff to mail it bi-weekly. I'm just trying to be realistic as we start out. > After we get enough subscribers I guess it would be possible to charge to > sponsor the mailing. Silicon Alley news has truly mastered that angle. Or > will charging cause accounting problems on FreeBSD's end? This will take some thought, but it is worth consideration. > > If we follow the email w/website format.... > > I like the idea of the newbie column as we can redirect readers to those > portions of the FreeBSD.org site. We could have a section of product > launches. This would certainly get us noticed by companies that have > products that run on FreeBSD. We could probably even have a bleeding edge > section as well. Maybe highlights on people/entities working on real > interesting uses of FreeBSD. An events section...etc. Although I think many > things written about in the e-zine will probably be duplicated in the > mailing lists, we might be able to grab a different audience with the e-zine. > > Why not have an international section as well? > > I think we should also track the events in Japan. They have a great user > base as well. Maybe somebody on the Japanese end of FreeBSD could email us > whats going on over there and we can include it. Maybe they would print > what is happening over here in their local language version. We could do > this with other languages too. > > And as much as I hate the word "webring" perhaps those of us who run our > own sites would consider mirroring the zine on their sites and forming one. > Count me in on it. We can never reach 100% market saturation but we > certainly can aspire to it. This might be a great way to expand our > community a little more. Lots of wonderful Ideas. I like them. > > And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? Any Objections to this name? I kinda like it. Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ > -cliff > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > "Far better it is to dare mighty deeds then to take rank with > those poor timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat" > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 10:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21630 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21625 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13584; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd013492; Thu Jul 9 10:59:13 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19022; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199807091759.KAA19022@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? To: cliff@cliffsworld.com (cliff ainsworth III) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199807091353.IAA02328@micro.internexus.net> from "cliff ainsworth III" at Jul 9, 98 09:51:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >That sounds like a good idea. We could have alternating columns so > >the E-zine is published let's say monthly and then certain columns > >are printed every 2/3 months. These columns would rotate. This way > >the people maintaining them would have enough time to prepare them. > > I agree, even writing 8-10 paragraphs can be an excruciating experience and > actually takes time to prepare so it is an effective piece of writing. And > when you are busy, you want as much time as possible to prepare. I'm really, really surprised that no one has approached one or more colleges of journalism on this. I'm really, really surprised that no one has approached a technical writing instructor or English department head on manuals, tutorials, online documenetation, style sheets, "HOWTO"'s, etc.. There are a large number of projects available in FreeBSD that are begging for 3rd and 4th year humanities students looking for an idea for their independent project. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 11:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01800 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01777; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807091844.LAA01777@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807091759.KAA19022@usr04.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Jul 9, 98 05:59:03 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cliff@cliffsworld.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > I'm really, really surprised that no one has approached one or more > colleges of journalism on this. > > I'm really, really surprised that no one has approached a technical > writing instructor or English department head on manuals, tutorials, > online documenetation, style sheets, "HOWTO"'s, etc.. > > There are a large number of projects available in FreeBSD that are > begging for 3rd and 4th year humanities students looking for an > idea for their independent project. Go Terry GO! god i love it when a volunteer appears. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 14:19:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26795 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26784 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05242; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:15:40 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:15:39 +1200 (NZST) From: Jonathan Chen To: cliff ainsworth III cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807091347.IAA02105@micro.internexus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, cliff ainsworth III wrote: > And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? I don't suppose "The Devil's Advocate" wouldn't go down too well.. :-) +-- | Jonathan Chen | --+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 14:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28467 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28457; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807092129.OAA28457@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: from Jonathan Chen at "Jul 10, 98 09:15:39 am" To: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz (Jonathan Chen) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cliff@cliffsworld.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, cliff ainsworth III wrote: > > > And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? > > I don't suppose "The Devil's Advocate" wouldn't go down too well.. :-) > +-- sorry that name is used by Skelly-Bootle in unix review. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 16:19:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13558 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13552; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11333; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz (Jonathan Chen), cliff@cliffsworld.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:29:17 PDT." <199807092129.OAA28457@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:19:08 -0700 Message-ID: <11329.900026348@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about The Daemon's Advocate then. :) > Jonathan Chen wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, cliff ainsworth III wrote: > > > > > And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? > > > > I don't suppose "The Devil's Advocate" wouldn't go down too well.. :-) > > +-- > > sorry that name is used by Skelly-Bootle in unix review. > jmb > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 18:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29898 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29893 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07440; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:20:04 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Jonathan Chen cc: cliff ainsworth III , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you think we could get a FreeBSD.org DNS entry that would point to our web site? like maybe ezine.freebsd.org or daemons-advocate.freebsd.org. Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 19:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02874 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02869 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08879; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807100203.TAA08879@implode.root.com> To: Chris Coleman cc: Jonathan Chen , cliff ainsworth III , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:20:04 PDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:03:55 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Do you think we could get a FreeBSD.org DNS entry that would point to our >web site? like maybe ezine.freebsd.org or daemons-advocate.freebsd.org. I haven't been following this thread very closely, but this site hasn't been set up yet, right? I can add a CNAME for freebsd.org, but I'd prefer to do that only after the new site has been put into operation. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 19:54:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08869 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08864 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA07610; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:47:52 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:47:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <199807100203.TAA08879@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >Do you think we could get a FreeBSD.org DNS entry that would point to our > >web site? like maybe ezine.freebsd.org or daemons-advocate.freebsd.org. > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but this site hasn't > been set up yet, right? I can add a CNAME for freebsd.org, but I'd prefer > to do that only after the new site has been put into operation. Wonderful. We almost have all the pieces. I have: 4-8 Volunteers (I'd like 2-3 More) A host site. A mirror Site. (I'd like 2-3 More) A FreeBSD CNAME I think this is almost enough to start. I haven't confirmed anything with anyone yet, I will be e-mailing each person privately to confirm their contributions. Then publically announcing the site name and who is doing what. The last thing left to be done before we get started is to decide on what the name will be. So far we have two suggestions. The FreeBSD Advocate The Daemon's Advocate Please e-mail me directly if you want to vote on which name to go with or to suggest a better name. Please vote only if you intend on being actively involved with the E-Zine, or are a FreeBSD-[core,committer]. -Chris > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 20:40:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12923 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.zebra.net (shell.zebra.net [209.12.240.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12918 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Received: from localhost (saten@localhost) by shell.zebra.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00124; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:38:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:38:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Chris Coleman cc: David Greenman , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Wonderful. We almost have all the pieces. I have: > 4-8 Volunteers (I'd like 2-3 More) You can go ahead and count me in. -- Phillip Salzman |FreeBSD X11 Desktop Theme Contest eclipse@gulf.net \____________________Coordinator_\ http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 21:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15902 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15895 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA07618; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807100415.VAA07618@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:14:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: >> And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? > >Any Objections to this name? I kinda like it. I "personaly" don't like having the word "advocacy" as part of the title. Someone new to FreeBSD may take it as "just" that and have doubts of the "objectivity" of the articles. Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 9 22:45:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23487 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23482 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3h-24.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.121]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02501; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:45:13 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980709224415.006a2ce4@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:44:15 -0700 To: "Francisco Reyes" , "Chris Coleman" From: Joey Garcia Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <199807100415.VAA07618@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:14 AM 7/10/98 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: > >>> And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" ? >> >>Any Objections to this name? I kinda like it. > >I "personaly" don't like having the word "advocacy" as part of the >title. Someone new to FreeBSD may take it as "just" that and have >doubts of the "objectivity" of the articles. > >Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer > What's wrong with "BSD Monthly" or "BSD Weekly" or something like that? Joey > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 04:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27609 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27604 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA23929; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101137.EAA23929@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:36:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Let's talk Advocacy (Was FreeBSD E-Zine?) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While I see much interest in the E-zine, which I share, I want to bring back the topic of getting FreeBSD noticed. Even if the E-zine is a great success among CURRENT (vs stable ) users we still need to get FreeBSD noticed by the outside world. What has been tried on th past? My recommendations are: -Some form of paid advertisement in a major NON-TECHNICAL magazine/newspaper. This would be probably costly and to do it right we would probably need the help of a marketting firm. -Articles to editors/contributors of technical magazines. All it will take is people who can write appealing articles that writers in these magazines could either change to their needs or be informative enough for them to want to find out more about FreeBSD. -Link Exchange. Put the FreeBSD site in Link-Exchange. Have as many sites as possible use the code for the FreeBSD site on THEIR pages. This will create a healthy number of exposures for the FreeBSD banner. This is FREE, easy to do and works all by itself day and night after the initial setup. Must definitely WORTH A SHOT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 04:41:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28029 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28023 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24108; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101141.EAA24108@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Joey Garcia" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:40:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:44:15 -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: >>Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer >> > >What's wrong with "BSD Monthly" or "BSD Weekly" or something like that? Depending on how things go, the frequency of the updates on the E-zine may be changed. For instance we may start out monthly and find out we have enough material for Bi-weekly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 04:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28076 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28061 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24134; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101141.EAA24134@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Joey Garcia" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:40:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:44:15 -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: >>Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer >> > >What's wrong with "BSD Monthly" or "BSD Weekly" or something like that? Depending on how things go, the frequency of the updates on the E-zine may be changed. For instance we may start out monthly and find out we have enough material for Bi-weekly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 06:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09413 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09408 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3g-8.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.57]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21686; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:29:29 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:28:29 -0700 To: "Francisco Reyes" From: Joey Garcia Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <199807101141.EAA24108@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:40 AM 7/10/98 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:44:15 -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: > >>>Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer >>> >> >>What's wrong with "BSD Monthly" or "BSD Weekly" or something like that? > >Depending on how things go, the frequency of the updates on the >E-zine may be changed. For instance we may start out monthly and find >out we have enough material for Bi-weekly. > > Okay...that's understood. Actually, a bi-weekly 'zine would be pretty neat. Anyways, back to the name thing. How about "BSD News" - www.bsdnews.com ? Joey > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 10:07:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07448 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07441 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12171; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:00:14 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Joey Garcia cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay...that's understood. Actually, a bi-weekly 'zine would be pretty > neat. Anyways, back to the name thing. How about "BSD News" - > www.bsdnews.com ? how about ezine.freebsd.org I'd like it to end with FreeBSD.org. Its easiest and it makes it more official. -Chris > > Joey > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 16:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14957 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14917 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00957; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd000929; Fri Jul 10 16:43:04 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15520; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:42:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? To: bear@pacificnet.net (Joey Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:42:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: reyesf@newsguy.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> from "Joey Garcia" at Jul 10, 98 06:28:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >>>FreeBSD Informer > >>"BSD Monthly" > >>"BSD Weekly" > "BSD News" "The BSD Gazette" "The BSD Times" "The BSD Standard" "The BSD Courier" "The BSD Badgerer" "The BSD Balladeer" "The BSD Bugle" "The BSD Banner" "The BSD Barometer" "BSD Babble" "The BSD Babbler" "The BSD Beacon" "BSD Briefs" "The BSD Examiner" "The BSD Billboard" "/kernel" "boot:" "/var/log/BSD" "Little Chucky's Almanac" Ad infinitum... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 17:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20638 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20576 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03604; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:09:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd003568; Fri Jul 10 17:09:21 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10328; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:09:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199807110009.RAA10328@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: bear@pacificnet.net, reyesf@newsguy.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jul 10, 98 11:42:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... ] > "Little Chucky's Almanac" > Ad infinitum... Also: "BSD Briefs" "BSD Byplay" "The BSD Briefing" "The BSD Buckeye" <- Win a "NewsHawk" award, that one ;-) "The BSD Bulletin" "The BSD Bullhorn" "BSD Beat" "BSD Business" "BSD Buzz" "The BSD Byline" "The BSD Chronicle" 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 10 20:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19703 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from notabene.zer0.org (sac-port298.jps.net [209.63.247.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19694 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@n1.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by notabene.zer0.org (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA10322; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19980710203943.G5090@notabene.zer0.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:39:43 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? References: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:42:58PM +0000 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:42:58PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > "The BSD Standard" I really like the double meaning in this one. Perhaps we should keep it obvious that it's "The FreeBSD Standard", though? Regards, Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "How do I read this file?" mailto:gsutter@pobox.com "You uudecode it." http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ "I I I decode it?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 07:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06154 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06149 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-79-61.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.61]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA40828; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:26:28 GMT Message-ID: <35A775C8.44BFFBC7@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:25:12 -0700 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? References: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "/var/log/BSD" is interesting, with a good embedded in-joke. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 19:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08546 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08444 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09049; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807120004.SAA09049@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? From: Wes Peters To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> References: <199807102342.QAA15520@usr02.primenet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA08476 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Terry Lambert (tlambert@primenet.com) saying: % "The BSD Gazette" % "The BSD Times" % "The BSD Standard" % "The BSD Courier" % [...] % Ad infinitum... OK, if you really want to go with the newspaper motif, "BSD Standard-Examiner" (Terry will recognize that one) "BSD Post-Intelligencer" (for you Seattlites out there) "New BSD Times" -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 19:33:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08596 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08484 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09056; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807120007.SAA09056@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? From: Wes Peters To: gsutter@pobox.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <19980710203943.G5090@notabene.zer0.org> References: <19980710203943.G5090@notabene.zer0.org> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA08513 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Gregory Sutter (gsutter@pobox.com) saying: % On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:42:58PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: % > % > "The BSD Standard" % % I really like the double meaning in this one. Perhaps we should keep it % obvious that it's "The FreeBSD Standard", though? I'd suggest not. Make the name generic, and accept articles about NetBSD, OpenBSD, and even SunOS. Having freebsd.org on the end of the server name, and a FreeBSD advertisment in the banner on every page, along with the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo on the bottom of every page, should be enough bludgeoning, even for really dense readers. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 19:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08643 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08536 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09044; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807120001.SAA09044@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? From: Wes Peters To: reyesf@newsguy.com, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, bear@pacificnet.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980709224415.006a2ce4@pacificnet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980709224415.006a2ce4@pacificnet.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA08572 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Joey Garcia (bear@pacificnet.net) saying: % At 12:14 AM 7/10/98 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: % >On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Chris Coleman wrote: % > % >>> And what about a name for our e-'zine? How about "The FreeBSD Advocate" % ? % >> % >>Any Objections to this name? I kinda like it. % > % >I "personaly" don't like having the word "advocacy" as part of the % >title. Someone new to FreeBSD may take it as "just" that and have % >doubts of the "objectivity" of the articles. % > % >Another possibility: FreeBSD Informer % > % % What's wrong with "BSD Monthly" or "BSD Weekly" or something like that? I like the former suggestion, BSD Week. "Advocate" conjures up visions of rabid Linux fans picketing Fry's. ;^) "Informer" sounds too much like a guy in a trenchcoat dropping off microfilm of the newest release. ;^) "Daemon's Advocate" would be a great name for a recurring, back-of-the- website column. ;^) You know, a nice place to bitch about how stupid the world of advertising is, show off the author's knowlege of whatever language it's currently being written in, etc. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 19:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08638 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08514 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09060; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807120008.SAA09060@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? From: Wes Peters To: reyesf@newsguy.com, bear@pacificnet.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980710062829.0069e6a8@pacificnet.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA08532 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Joey Garcia (bear@pacificnet.net) saying: % Okay...that's understood. Actually, a bi-weekly 'zine would be pretty % neat. Anyways, back to the name thing. How about "BSD News" - % www.bsdnews.com ? news.freebsd.org? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 20:56:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25439 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25428 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (narn-1-117.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.117]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id WAA28615; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA14958; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:56:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980712035625.ZM14957@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:56:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: Wes Peters "Re: FreeBSD E-Zine?" (Jul 11, 6:07pm) References: <19980710203943.G5090@notabene.zer0.org> <199807120007.SAA09056@obie.softweyr.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Wes Peters , gsutter@pobox.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 11, 6:07pm, Wes Peters wrote: > Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? > My hidden microphone recorded Gregory Sutter (gsutter@pobox.com) saying: > > % On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:42:58PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > % > > % > "The BSD Standard" > % > % I really like the double meaning in this one. Perhaps we should keep it > % obvious that it's "The FreeBSD Standard", though? > > I'd suggest not. Make the name generic, and accept articles about > NetBSD, OpenBSD, and even SunOS. Having freebsd.org on the end of > the server name, and a FreeBSD advertisment in the banner on every > page, along with the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo on the bottom of > every page, should be enough bludgeoning, even for really dense > readers. ;^) > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Wes Peters You obviously don't believe in strong arming people do you. ;-) I agree with your points, the e-zine should be kept open to all real UNIX stuff. Real implying no Linux, as their journal won't touch us with a ten foot pole.. Best regards, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 21:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29028 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29017 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA00706; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:51:38 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980712135138.B635@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:51:38 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters , reyesf@newsguy.com, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, bear@pacificnet.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? References: <3.0.1.32.19980709224415.006a2ce4@pacificnet.net> <199807120001.SAA09044@obie.softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807120001.SAA09044@obie.softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:01:09PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 11 July 1998 at 18:01:09 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > "Daemon's Advocate" would be a great name for a recurring, back-of-the- > website column. ;^) You know, a nice place to bitch about how stupid > the world of advertising is, show off the author's knowlege of whatever > language it's currently being written in, etc. ;^) Yes, I like this one. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jul 11 22:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08283 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08278 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jackv@pacbell.net) Received: from jackv.pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-32-16.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.16]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA04489; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: "Jack Velte" From: "Jack Velte" To: "Wes Peters" , , Subject: Re: FreeBSD E-Zine? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdad53$c1d51520$1020aace@jackv.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >% > "The BSD Standard" >% >% I really like the double meaning in this one. Perhaps we should keep it >% obvious that it's "The FreeBSD Standard", though? > >I'd suggest not. Make the name generic, and accept articles about >NetBSD, OpenBSD, and even SunOS. Having freebsd.org on the end of >the server name, and a FreeBSD advertisment in the banner on every >page, along with the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo on the bottom of >every page, should be enough bludgeoning, even for really dense >readers. ;^) bsdi might be consulted, since they own the trademark, "BSD." -jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message