From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 0:19:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F6E14D09 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA16923; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:17:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Brett Glass Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:08:37 MDT." <4.2.0.58.19990731210805.0404c460@localhost> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:17:56 +0200 Message-ID: <16921.933491876@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It was sent to stable@ and current@ In message <4.2.0.58.19990731210805.0404c460@localhost>, Brett Glass writes: >If that's so, where can one find the message? > >--Brett Glass > >At 05:08 AM 8/1/99 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >>Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> > >> > Subject: Sitting inside, looking out... >> > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:42:26 +0200 >> > From: Poul-Henning Kamp >> > BCC: Blind Distribution List: ; >> >>Poul, this message is the best description I have seen of how >>FreeBSD works from an administrative point of view (and focusing on >>the politics of it, instead of the procedures). >> >>I'd say a revised version of it might be good stuff for the >>handbook. >> >>-- >>Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) >>dcs@newsguy.com >>dcs@freebsd.org >> >> - Jordan, God, what's the difference? >> - God doesn't belong to the -core. >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 1: 1:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195BF14D1C for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01208 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908010800.BAA01208@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. Josef -- $Id: BayAreaFreeBSDJobs.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 1: 1:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C682F14F7B for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01246 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908010800.BAA01246@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: Bay Area Install-A-Thon To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Install-A-Thon BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) will hold it's monthly Install-A-Thon in conjunction with the Robert Austin computer show on July 24th at the Oakland Convention Center. The purpose of these Install-A-Thons is for new and experienced user to meet and solve problem they are having with FreeBSD. It is also a time to promote FreeBSD to potential users. The Oakland Convention Center is in downtown Oakland on the corner of 10th street and Clay Street. There is some on street parking but your best bet is lot parking. Admission to the show is $5.00 unless you have a VIP pass. VIP passes can be gotten at Robert Austin's web page (http://www.robertaustin.com). The show hours are 10:00am to 4:00pm. We will be meeting at the Oakland convention center at 9:00am to setup and will be there till 4 when the show closes. Tear down usually takes about 30 minutes. If you are interested in helping please contact Josef Grosch - jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Nicole Harrington - nicole@mediacity.com More information about the show can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Install.html This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th of the month. -- $Id: InstallAnnounce.txt,v 1.5 1999/07/06 04:02:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 1: 1:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A089114D1D for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01230 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: FreeBSD Counter Page To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. This is posted every 1st and 15th of the month. Josef (jgrosch@MooseRiver.com) -- $Id: CounterPageAnnounce.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 1: 1:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBCD14FC2 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01262 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908010800.BAA01262@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: FreeBSD Retail Page To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th. -- $Id: RetailAnnounce.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 3:54:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C089151D5 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id MAA16130; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:53:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id NAA78615; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990801131024.45576@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:24 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open References: <199907311430.KAA07337@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199907311430.KAA07337@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 10:30:22AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes writes: > > >From what I gather the project will be making the old 486s Xterminals. > Could this be something that could be done with PicoBSD? If you managed to fit the X server in there :-| > Also what would me a MINIMUN usable amount of memory to run X. 16MB? > These are computers other departments were throwing out so I don't > think they have much of a budget to go around upgrading memory. I run my X term on a 486-120 with PCI bus and a Matrox Mill II. The machine has 8 MB of RAM, 100 Mbps ethernet, and a cross cable to the server (no fans, no hd, no noise -- this was a cool idea suggested by PHK). -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 5:23:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F14414BF5 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 05:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id IAA16483; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908011223.IAA16483@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Phil Regnauld" Cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:22:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:24 +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: >Francisco Reyes writes: >> Could this be something that could be done with PicoBSD? > > If you managed to fit the X server in there :-| Fit where? These computers will have a HD. >I run my X term on a 486-120 with PCI bus and a Matrox Mill II. >The machine has 8 MB of RAM, 100 Mbps ethernet, and a cross cable >to the server (no fans, no hd, no noise -- this was a cool idea >suggested by PHK). That is interesting to know it would run on 8MB. How do you boot? Floppy? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 5:35:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7F914C81 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id IAA16855; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908011233.IAA16855@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Chris Piazza" Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:32:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:20:48 -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: >It was posted to -current at least: >http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=456700+0+current/freebsd-current That link returns a screen with no message. Anything in the article one could search by? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 6:30:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz40.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5759D14C04 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from un1i@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (exim@rz114s1-197.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.190]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 11AvfW-000461-00; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:50 +0200 Received: from un1i by rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11AvfV-0006yP-00; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:49 +0200 To: freyes@inch.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <7o1eun$1vbj$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.10.20 (9000/829)) Message-Id: From: Philipp Mergenthaler Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:49 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote: > That link returns a screen with no message. It's in the archive now; sorry, long line: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=456700+0+archive/1999/freebsd-current/19990801.freebsd-current Bye, Philipp -- http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~un1i/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 8:35:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6ECC14D7F; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA75908; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:34:51 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: Chris Piazza Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/adom - Imported sources Message-ID: <19990801083451.A75683@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <199908010330.UAA08623@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908010330.UAA08623@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Chris Piazza on Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 08:30:46PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 08:30:46PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > Log Message: > Initial import of ``adom'' the Ancient Domains of Mystery. > It is a rouge-like game with colour support. That would be some sort of makeup simulator, then? I'll wait for the Dungeons of Mascara, myself. -- Matthew Hunt * Inertia is a property http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * of matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 10: 9: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F8414C9F for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id TAA19165; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:08:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id TAA78956; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:25:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990801192528.40375@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:25:28 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open References: <199908011223.IAA16483@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199908011223.IAA16483@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 08:22:33AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes writes: > > Fit where? > These computers will have a HD. Ok. > That is interesting to know it would run on 8MB. > How do you boot? Floppy? floppy with netboot (for the 10mbps cards). -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 12:55:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74DD14E1C for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA67027; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:54:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:54:50 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Joe Grosch Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Counter Page Message-ID: <19990801105450.A66498@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com>; from Joe Grosch on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:00:08AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:00:08AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: > http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Is anyone else having problems connecting here? I'm in the UK (using Demon Internet) and the last few lines of the traceroute look like [...] 12 border3.fe0-0-fenet1.sfj.pnap.net (216.52.0.7) 268.146 ms 258.110 ms 259.850 ms 13 ispchan-1.border3.sfj.pnap.net (216.52.2.54) 267.294 ms 257.824 ms 259.262 ms 14 mirrors.svr.ispchannel.net (208.166.60.2) 268.207 ms 268.966 ms 257.131 ms 15 * speed.svr.ispchannel.net (208.166.60.1) 259.662 ms 268.401 ms 16 * * * 17 * * * N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 13:52:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9234C14CC0; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA81721; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:51:54 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Matthew Hunt Cc: Chris Piazza , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/adom - Imported sources Message-ID: <19990801135154.H391@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <199908010330.UAA08623@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990801083451.A75683@wopr.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990801083451.A75683@wopr.caltech.edu>; from Matthew Hunt on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 08:34:51AM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 08:34:51AM -0700, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 08:30:46PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > > > Log Message: > > Initial import of ``adom'' the Ancient Domains of Mystery. > > It is a rouge-like game with colour support. > > That would be some sort of makeup simulator, then? > > I'll wait for the Dungeons of Mascara, myself. You are an 8th level Human Transvestite. You have 4820 gold and 42815 xp. You are carrying: rouge of invisibility stockings lipstick of confusion 14" dildo of penetration +4 underwear of strategic rents -1 (cursed) Bewitchment spellbook charm alter image lengthen subside mockingly high heels petroleum jelly slime mold You are wearing: nothing Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Computing is a terminal addiction. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 15:26:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F4214BEC; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 065D074D; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:25:37 -0700 From: Chris Piazza To: Nik Clayton Cc: Joe Grosch , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Counter Page Message-ID: <19990801152537.A27671@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com> <19990801105450.A66498@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990801105450.A66498@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:54:50AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:54:50AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:00:08AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: > > http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html > > Is anyone else having problems connecting here? > > I'm in the UK (using Demon Internet) and the last few lines of the > traceroute look like > > [...] > 12 border3.fe0-0-fenet1.sfj.pnap.net (216.52.0.7) 268.146 ms 258.110 ms 259.850 ms > 13 ispchan-1.border3.sfj.pnap.net (216.52.2.54) 267.294 ms 257.824 ms 259.262 ms > 14 mirrors.svr.ispchannel.net (208.166.60.2) 268.207 ms 268.966 ms 257.131 ms > 15 * speed.svr.ispchannel.net (208.166.60.1) 259.662 ms 268.401 ms > 16 * * * Yep, 7 bb1-se1-1-0.mae-w.nap.home.net (24.7.72.186) 26.590 ms 28.523 ms 28.970 ms 8 mae-west3.fddi.cw.net (198.32.136.65) 46.194 ms 44.143 ms 43.398 ms [..] 11 media-city-world.SanFrancisco.cw.net (166.48.15.250) 50.380 ms 43.713 ms 55.499 ms 12 * speed.svr.ispchannel.net (208.166.60.1) 51.531 ms 58.920 ms Damn ispchannel :-). -Chris -- cpiazza@home.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org "I don't like principles. I prefer prejudices." -Oscar Wilde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 16:32:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE2514D11; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA82386; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:31:30 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Chris Piazza Cc: Nik Clayton , Joe Grosch , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Counter Page Message-ID: <19990801163130.K391@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com> <19990801105450.A66498@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990801152537.A27671@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990801152537.A27671@norn.ca.eu.org>; from Chris Piazza on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 03:25:37PM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 03:25:37PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:54:50AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:00:08AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: > > > http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html > > > > Is anyone else having problems connecting here? > > Damn ispchannel :-). Damn ispchannel is right, but BAFUG no longer houses its servers there. I can only assume that Josef is in the process of beating the crap out of the lusers at Network Solutions (buggest oxymoron on the internet) in a vain attempt to get them to update his DNS information. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 20:45:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF4614E88 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-23.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.23] (may be forged)) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA00358; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:44:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A51432.24FAAE18@airnet.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:44:50 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Regnauld Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open References: <199908011223.IAA16483@arutam.inch.com> <19990801192528.40375@ns.int.ftf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld wrote: > > Francisco Reyes writes: > > > > Fit where? > > These computers will have a HD. > > Ok. > > > That is interesting to know it would run on 8MB. > > How do you boot? Floppy? > > floppy with netboot (for the 10mbps cards). Never underestimate the ability to netboot. One of these days I'm going to figure out the installation floppy and make a netbootable one. I still ended up trashing the machine last time, but it was cool just to get it to boot from the network. NIS is next.... I _do_ like the silent PC option. No fans to fail, 0% downtime possible. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 22:43:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7C151F6; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.161]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB6DF5; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:42:53 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA54167; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:40:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:40:29 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Chris Piazza , Nik Clayton , Joe Grosch , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Counter Page Message-ID: <19990802074029.B54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199908010800.BAA01230@bafug.bsdbox.com> <19990801105450.A66498@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990801152537.A27671@norn.ca.eu.org> <19990801163130.K391@forty-two.egroups.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <19990801163130.K391@forty-two.egroups.net>; from Gregory Sutter on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 04:31:30PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Gregory Sutter (gsutter@pobox.com) [990802 04:13]: > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 03:25:37PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:54:50AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:00:08AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: > > > > http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html > > > > > > Is anyone else having problems connecting here? > > > > Damn ispchannel :-). > > Damn ispchannel is right, but BAFUG no longer houses its servers there. > I can only assume that Josef is in the process of beating the crap out > of the lusers at Network Solutions (buggest oxymoron on the internet) > in a vain attempt to get them to update his DNS information. And the fun part is, shouldn't he already know, if ye try to mail him of course about this... *bwerk* That userfriendly comic of 1 August really sounds correct... -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 1 23:37: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831EA150AE; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA22994; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:06:00 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id QAA59635; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:05:59 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:05:59 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Nik Clayton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Coronations (was: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history) Message-ID: <19990802160559.T64532@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 07:49:55AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 2 August 1999 at 7:49:55 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Greg Lehey (grog@lemis.com) [990802 04:13]: >> On Sunday, 1 August 1999 at 12:54:02 -0700, Nik Clayton wrote: >>> nik 1999/08/01 12:54:02 PDT >>> >>> Modified files: >>> usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history >>> Log: >>> Richard the Lionheart was crowned on 3rd September 1189, not the 27th >>> February. >> >> I'm glad to see we're finally getting the serious bugs out. > > Nik did do better research then some of us do or did. > > [like my fantastic crashdump and no debugging kernel =P] > > Anyways, 't was fun to read ;) Definitely. Of course, this has meant that I have had to follow it up with my own investigations. Since he was a Frenchman, I looked up a French source, unfortunately not a very good one, but they claim he became king in 1184, not 1189. They do agree that his father died (of chagrin) in 1189, so it's not clear why they say 1184. Is this a misprint, or did he abdicate? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 0:15:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63CD14F04 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:15:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id JAA27069 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:14:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id JAA80068; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990802093153.59717@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:31:53 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: ISP in Wisconsin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A friend of mine's daughter will be staying in the US for 1 year, as an exchange student, in Sheboygan, WI. She will be needing an ISP, and as a minor with no possibility to work, her spending will be limited. Anyone here run/work for a reliable (i.e.: FreeBSD based, for example :-) ISP that is not too expensive and with PoPs in that area (Area code: 920). Thanks for _any_ pointers. Phil. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 0:30:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (zabagek.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C0714F04; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31798; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:31:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg) To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Greg Lehey , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai's message of "Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:49:55 +0200" Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:31:57 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: > * Greg Lehey (grog@lemis.com) [990802 04:13]: > > On Sunday, 1 August 1999 at 12:54:02 -0700, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > nik 1999/08/01 12:54:02 PDT > > > > > > Modified files: > > > usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history > > > Log: > > > Richard the Lionheart was crowned on 3rd September 1189, not the 27th > > > February. > > > > I'm glad to see we're finally getting the serious bugs out. > > Nik did do better research then some of us do or did. > > [like my fantastic crashdump and no debugging kernel =P] > > Anyways, 't was fun to read ;) Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 4:54:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6FD150E8; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA55461; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:51:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:51:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Greg Lehey Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Nik Clayton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Coronations (was: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history) Message-ID: <19990802115142.A54968@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19990802160559.T64532@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990802160559.T64532@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 04:05:59PM +0930 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 04:05:59PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 2 August 1999 at 7:49:55 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > * Greg Lehey (grog@lemis.com) [990802 04:13]: > >> On Sunday, 1 August 1999 at 12:54:02 -0700, Nik Clayton wrote: > >>> nik 1999/08/01 12:54:02 PDT > >>> > >>> Modified files: > >>> usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history > >>> Log: > >>> Richard the Lionheart was crowned on 3rd September 1189, not the 27th > >>> February. > >> > >> I'm glad to see we're finally getting the serious bugs out. > > > > Nik did do better research then some of us do or did. > > > > [like my fantastic crashdump and no debugging kernel =P] > > > > Anyways, 't was fun to read ;) > > Definitely. Of course, this has meant that I have had to follow it up > with my own investigations. Since he was a Frenchman, I looked up a > French source, unfortunately not a very good one, but they claim he > became king in 1184, not 1189. They do agree that his father died (of > chagrin) in 1189, so it's not clear why they say 1184. Is this a > misprint, or did he abdicate? Must be a misprint. Every source I looked at said 1189, and Henry II definitely snuffed it in 1189, so Richard couldn't possibly have become king before then. I'm considering carrying on the theme -- Satoshi has his ports INDEX module and prime numbers quirk, I have kings and queens of England. . . N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 9:43:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing.nas.nasa.gov (nothing.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.34.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5910C15084 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from nothing.nas.nasa.gov (sfuqua@localhost) by nothing.nas.nasa.gov (8.9.3/NAS8.8.7n) with ESMTP id JAA23730; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: FreeBSD cures RSI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:42:45 -0700 From: "Stephen C. Fuqua" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD seems to be easier to type with. Like many people, I get sore wrists whenever I type too much. Most days, no problem, but other days... I use a variety of Unix's at work. I also install and play with different operating systems at home pretty often. I seem to see an effect where something about using FreeBSD lessens the wear and tear on the wrists. I see this effect mostly from using FreeBSD at the console, less from X. I just find FreeBSD easier on the hands than Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or Windows -- even when using the same keyboard and hardware. This is a wildly unscientific observation, but is there anything that might account for this? FreeBSD makes the user happier = less tension = better typing technique? FreeBSD pops characters onto the screen faster = lighter typing touch? Secret FreeBSD daemons flow out of the computer to massage the wrists of user? Placebo effect or not, I'm going to try to do anything that involves a large volume of typing on FreeBSD from here on out. Did anybody else ever notice anything like this? steve fuqua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 12:37:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD1414CCD for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id VAA06295; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:36:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 201B08862; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:15:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:15:10 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: Phil Regnauld Subject: Re: ISP in Wisconsin Message-ID: <19990802211510.A28018@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Phil Regnauld References: <19990802093153.59717@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990802093153.59717@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:53AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5468 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Phil Regnauld: > Anyone here run/work for a reliable (i.e.: FreeBSD based, for example :-) > ISP that is not too expensive and with PoPs in that area (Area code: 920). Try www.execpc.com, it is the biggest Milwaukee ISP, it probably has many POPs in whole Wisconsin. Or check with Joe Greco (jgreco@solaria.sol.net), he's in Milwaukee too and should be able to give you more information. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #72: Mon Jul 12 08:26:43 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 13:15:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE41F14C20 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05790; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd005696; Mon Aug 2 13:13:07 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06953; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:02 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908022013.NAA06953@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open To: dscheidt@enteract.com (David Scheidt) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freyes@inch.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "David Scheidt" at Jul 31, 99 12:36:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Also what would me a MINIMUN usable amount of memory to run X. 16MB? > > These are computers other departments were throwing out so I don't > > think they have much of a budget to go around upgrading memory. > > I ran X on a 16MB P60, with a 512KB video card. Don't forget to > configure your swap space. It works. There are things like > occaisonal pauses while the machine swaps. This was running almost > everyting locally. If you were running things off of a remote > compute server, i would expect it be much better, expecially if you can > avoid running things like Netscape. I used to run a lab full of AT&T WGS boxes net booted as X terminals. They were 386-SX/16's with only 4M of memory each, and 512k of video RAM. This was back in the 1.1.5.1 days, using a stripped kernel and netboot.exe in a script that gave you the option of Windows 3.11 or an X terminal at boot time. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 15:12:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D754714FA5; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.94]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB16F5; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:12:42 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA56707; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:04:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:04:55 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Thomas Gellekum Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Greg Lehey , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990803000455.B56688@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Gellekum on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Thomas Gellekum (tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de) [990802 10:13]: > Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. I think alot of history books tell you this though ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 15:25:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B22F14F23 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 63731 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:25:04 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:25:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:25:04 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Terry Lambert Cc: freyes@inch.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open In-Reply-To: <199908022013.NAA06953@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > I used to run a lab full of AT&T WGS boxes net booted as X terminals. Ick. I hated WGS boxes. I keep tripping over them in the halls, and it is giving me nightmares. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 15:59: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DB614FE3 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03423; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:57:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd003383; Mon Aug 2 15:57:42 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12288; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:57:34 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI To: sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov (Stephen C. Fuqua) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:57:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> from "Stephen C. Fuqua" at Aug 2, 99 09:42:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD seems to be easier to type with. [ ... ] > I seem to see an effect where something about using FreeBSD lessens the wear > and tear on the wrists. I see this effect mostly from using FreeBSD at the > console, less from X. Moving back and forth between a keyboard and a mouse will aggravate RSI and/or tendonitis. Non-use of X (and therefore the mouse) is a possible cause of your experience. FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 18: 1:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537EE1509B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id VAA29833; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908030100.VAA29833@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "David Scheidt" , "Terry Lambert" Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:01:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:13:02 +0000 (GMT), Terry Lambert wrote: >They were 386-SX/16's with only 4M of memory each, and 512k of >video RAM. Given that then I am beggining to feel more hopefull those 486s will do the job. :-) >This was back in the 1.1.5.1 days, using a stripped kernel and >netboot.exe What is netboot.exe? What part of the kernel did you "strip out"? Wouldn't a custom kernel do the job or are there savings to be made from taking certain things out? I would be hesitant to even try taking things out of the kernel.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 21:28:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF2151F1 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id AAA18983; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908030428.AAA18983@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Mark J. Taylor" Cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:28:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: High-end FreeBSD configration suggestion needed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:49:39 -0400, Mark J. Taylor wrote: >Perhaps shortly (if I can convince the people here), we will see >a public release of the vinum RAID5 software module. I would be happy even if I could get it in Netmax. >This decision is mostly in the hands of Lauren Works (lworks@cybernet.com) Sent her an email. In particular I mentioned what a great marketting tool it would be to have the netmax URL as part of the boot process. :-) Sent to chat... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 2 21:55:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E239F15060 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: (from eagle@localhost) by eagle.phc.igs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06582; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:54:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eagle) Message-Id: <199908030454.AAA06582@eagle.phc.igs.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: eagle@phc.igs.net Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? To: grog@lemis.com Cc: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990731092038.L56925@freebie.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Jul, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 31 July 1999 at 0:22:20 +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> I guess asking that question here isn't the height of tact, but asking >> behind a person's back isn't either. >> >> Just who is Terry Lambert? > > To quote one opinion: > >> From: Michael Smith >> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:50:19 +1030 (CST) >> >> Hmm. Listening to your litany of physical complaints, I have this >> vision of you as a brain in a little clear plasic box, probably with >> an ethernet jack somewhere. > > (end quote) > >> According to my copy of the FreeBSD handbook, he's not part of the core >> team. In fact, he isn't even listed as a committer. Which makes me >> wonder just what backs up his voice of authority. >> >> I'm increasingly suffering from the impression that I'm dealing with an >> intellectual version of Brett Glass. If I'm doing Terry injustice, I'd >> prefer to be told. > > You're doing Terry injustice. Terry is one of the fathers of FreeBSD, > even if, as you observe, he's not a committer. Let's say that there > were certain differences of opinion. That doesn't lessen Terry's > contribution, though: without him, there probably wouldn't be a > FreeBSD as we know it. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > If i don't have my history all screwed up again. Terry Lambert was one of the people behind the patchkit stuff.. If I am wrong PLEASE set me straight. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 2:13:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E450F14FB5 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p6ds10a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.218.110] helo=marder-1.) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Bacw-0005a9-00; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:12:55 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id JAA00396; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:48:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:48:10 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Stephen C. Fuqua" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 10:57:34PM +0000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 10:57:34PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > FreeBSD seems to be easier to type with. > > [ ... ] > > > I seem to see an effect where something about using FreeBSD lessens the wear > > and tear on the wrists. I see this effect mostly from using FreeBSD at the > > console, less from X. > > Moving back and forth between a keyboard and a mouse will aggravate > RSI and/or tendonitis. > > Non-use of X (and therefore the mouse) is a possible cause of your > experience. > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > Why specifically Sun? > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 3: 7:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EC215286 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id MAA06310; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:05:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id MAA82337; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:23:16 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Mark Ovens Cc: Terry Lambert , "Stephen C. Fuqua" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990803094810.A267@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:48:10AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > > > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > > > > Why specifically Sun? Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early on, way before the others did ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 3:21:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B0D14E03 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id MAA07980; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:20:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id MAA82384; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:37:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990803123741.01240@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:37:41 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Francisco Reyes Cc: David Scheidt , Terry Lambert , "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open References: <199908030100.VAA29833@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199908030100.VAA29833@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:01:19PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes writes: > > What is netboot.exe? /sys/boot/netboot Read the docs -- it's a small binary whicch you run from DOS -- or you can flash it into an EEPROM to put into that socket on your NIC that you always wondered about. We currently have support for 10Mbps NICs, but maybe 100Mbps are supported now (Luigi Rizzo might know about this). Anyway: the program, compiled according to your NIC, will run BOOTP, get an address, and TFTP a kernel. The rest is downhill. > What part of the kernel did you "strip out"? Probably UFS, wd*, fd*, sio, lp*, etc... (though you could use a pipe/tunnel and run floppy, sound, parallel, serial locally). You use NFS to mount your root FS, and start an X server from there. The handbook has some stuff, there's also some examples in /usr/share. > Wouldn't a custom kernel do the job or are there savings to be made > from taking certain things out? It depends what you call stripping -- knowing (in a way) Terry, he did more than just make a custom -- you need to hack to run with 4 MB. But 8 MB and Custom kernel will do fine. > I would be hesitant to even try taking things out of the kernel.. Don't, it's fun: you can rip out VM for example :-) -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 11:11:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3173515344; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA84044; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:04:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA39384; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:38:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:38:16 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Thomas Gellekum Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Greg Lehey , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990803153816.A39002@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Gellekum on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200, Thomas Gellekum wrote: > Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. BBQ. Steak, sausages, some home made bread, and a few salads (Nik's culinary tip for the day -- some sweetcorn, diced red and green peppers, one or two finely chopped green chillis, and a couple of spoonfulls of red vine vinegar is a quick, simple, easy to make salad, with a very nice 'bite' to it). N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 13: 8:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D87B14D4E for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13994; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Terry Lambert Cc: David Scheidt , freyes@inch.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open In-Reply-To: <199908022013.NAA06953@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I haven't been reading the list, but since these are my machines specifically being talked about, I figured I'd expand a little. They are 486dx2/66's , some have DEC ethernet cards, others have 3com (3c509) most have old s3 video cards. some have 8M some have 16M One of the reasons we have gone NetBSD, instead of FreeBSD is very simple, and I don;t know why the debate here. Bill Squier, who is working on these things as sortof his "pet project" is a NetBSD guy, and since he knows what he wants to do with them as X terminals, and was playign around with different things, we went with NetBSD. NetBSD has always focused on being smaller, at least sizewise, to run on older hardware. While freebsd for the most part is more featureful, we don;t need the extra features, we don;t need PicoBSD, and its definitely a preference for Bill to have NetBSD. EVeryone knows I'm a staunch FreeBSD advocate, but in this case I couldn;t come up with any clear advantages to using FreeBSD over NetBSD in this situation. We probably aren't going to be netbooting, and the root filesystemmay or may not be NFS, the server that they are going to use for NFS and managing the windows is probably a FreeBSD box (SMP) and there I do need the advantages of FreeBSD. -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Also what would me a MINIMUN usable amount of memory to run X. 16MB? > > > These are computers other departments were throwing out so I don't > > > think they have much of a budget to go around upgrading memory. > > > > I ran X on a 16MB P60, with a 512KB video card. Don't forget to > > configure your swap space. It works. There are things like > > occaisonal pauses while the machine swaps. This was running almost > > everyting locally. If you were running things off of a remote > > compute server, i would expect it be much better, expecially if you can > > avoid running things like Netscape. > > I used to run a lab full of AT&T WGS boxes net booted as X terminals. > > They were 386-SX/16's with only 4M of memory each, and 512k of > video RAM. > > This was back in the 1.1.5.1 days, using a stripped kernel and > netboot.exe in a script that gave you the option of Windows 3.11 > or an X terminal at boot time. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 16:59:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3E4151A8; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA02806; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:28:52 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA67635; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:28:51 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:28:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nik Clayton Cc: Thomas Gellekum , Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19990803153816.A39002@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990803153816.A39002@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:38:16PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 3 August 1999 at 15:38:16 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200, Thomas Gellekum wrote: >> Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. > > BBQ. Steak, sausages, some home made bread, and a few salads (Nik's > culinary tip for the day -- some sweetcorn, diced red and green peppers, > one or two finely chopped green chillis, That's an anachronism. Neither sweet corn, capsicums or chilis were known in 1189. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 17:59:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F30D14C46 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 51773 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 00:08:28 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 00:08:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:08:28 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nik Clayton , Thomas Gellekum , Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history In-Reply-To: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 3 August 1999 at 15:38:16 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200, Thomas Gellekum wrote: > >> Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. > > > > BBQ. Steak, sausages, some home made bread, and a few salads (Nik's > > culinary tip for the day -- some sweetcorn, diced red and green peppers, > > one or two finely chopped green chillis, > > That's an anachronism. Neither sweet corn, capsicums or chilis were > known in 1189. Still sounds really good, though. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 20:11:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from queasy.outpost.co.nz (outpost2.inspire.net.nz [203.96.157.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D263E14EF6 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crh@outpost.co.nz) Received: (qmail 1449 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from officedonkey.outpost.co.nz (HELO officedonkey) (192.168.1.3) by queasy.outpost.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 03:10:15 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig Harding" Organization: Outpost Digital Media Ltd To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:56:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Reply-To: crh@outpost.co.nz In-reply-to: <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> from "Stephen C. Fuqua" at Aug 2, 99 09:42:45 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-Id: <19990804031109.D263E14EF6@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". [bzzzttt] Sorry, nowadays that's OOS. -- C. -- Craig Harding crh@outpost.co.nz "I don't know about God, I Outpost Digital Media Ltd crh@inspire.net.nz just think we're handmade" http://www.outpost.co.nz ICQ# 26701833 - Polly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 22:14: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ren.detir.qld.gov.au (ns.detir.qld.gov.au [203.46.81.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2966614D64 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.detir.qld.gov.au; id PAA22954; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.detir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.detir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma022874; Wed, 4 Aug 99 15:11:25 +1000 Received: from atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (atlas.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24849; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (nymph.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13784; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (localhost.detir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07330; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syssgm@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au) Message-Id: <199908040511.PAA07330@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <199908040108.SAA17458@freeway.dcfinc.com> In-Reply-To: <199908040108.SAA17458@freeway.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:08:22 -0700" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:11:23 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 3rd August 1999, "Chad R. Larson" wrote: >As I recall, Matthew Dillon wrote: >> I would recommend simply having a 'FreeBSD' T-Shirt. None of this >> 'committers' or 'core' stuff. > >No, I think you missed the point. The T-shirt (or sweatshirt, or >baseball cap or whatever) should be special, easily identified as >special and available only to the group you're trying to >incent/reward. You must be unaware of the drama over Matt's commit bit, or actually, lack thereof. While I quite like the idea of a FreeBSD Committer T-shirt, I would feel strange wearing mine while Matt was denied one. Dangerous talk follows: Even though I saw it all happen (in the public lists), I don't understand how it is still unresolved. People are being too quiet or indirect about this issue, even with the current unofficial position statement. I think it's festering. Maybe it's time for a do or die, cure or death operation. A let-it-all-hang-out public slanging match, perhaps? I don't expect a vote, but I like to know what is happening. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 22:29:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7386915300; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA93385; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA01019; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:27:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908040527.XAA01019@harmony.village.org> To: David Scheidt Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Cc: Nik Clayton , Poul-Henning Kamp , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:17:05 CDT." References: Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:27:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message David Scheidt writes: : > Hmm. "I submitted a PR to FreeBSD, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." : : Wouldn't we rather have "I fixed a PR in FreeBSD..."? Hmmm, with words like "submit" and "fixed" one would hope the artwork on this T shirt isn't too kinky... ;-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 23:13:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A8C1527D for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.12]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA71E2; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:12:35 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA63411; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:09:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:09:52 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD voice synthesis Message-ID: <19990804080952.B63150@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37A71600.F38E822E@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Connor on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:52:46AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Daniel O'Connor (doconnor@gsoft.com.au) [990804 04:13]: > > On 03-Aug-99 Wes Peters wrote: > > Try Free B S D. Tricks like that used to work well with the simple ones > > available for "home" computers decades ago. (Anyone else here ever use > > SAM "the Software Automated Mouth" for the Atari 800 or Commodore 64?) > > Personally I liked the speak: device for the Amiga.. > > type foobar.txt >speak:someoptionsgohere Ah the cool Amiga... I wonder what the shell of the Amiga was btw? And then the devices were also cool... Heh, even Matt's addition and recognition in the 1.3 manuals ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 3 23:22:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BAB15320 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08867; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:51:32 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990804155132:24900=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <19990804080952.B63150@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:51:32 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: BSD voice synthesis Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990804155132:24900=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 04-Aug-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > type foobar.txt >speak:someoptionsgohere > Ah the cool Amiga... > I wonder what the shell of the Amiga was btw? Well you could have several types.. The normal one sucked (sort of like csh really) you could get a shell called zsh for it IIRC. > And then the devices were also cool... Yes.. I really liked the message based IO stuff.. Makes extensable FS features easy. (eg the notify packet type for monitoring directory/file changes instead of polling) Of course given than message passing was passing a real pointer around a shared address space meant you where in deep smeg when your program went nuts :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990804155132:24900=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN6fb7FbYW/HEoF9pAQEEjgP5AX3CsKE6+Gc7jfuNzizgOTal4MtlzqpU NuB5S5U5P+kKEkHR08eGovqDqIx1AIT3ne/UWiCw5LuvlT5fn6tbhdH83ZGHkyp7 UvzMasUjISqIE79G5xIXHCJex5OhhPcFCER+udi+pjZ1KNsFhTcn3mi83khTGTYw 4BfsOTMInFI= =4o1Y -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990804155132:24900=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 3:32:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46C14FF1 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19294; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990804042812.04161670@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 04:31:09 -0600 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , "Daniel O'Connor" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSD voice synthesis Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990804080952.B63150@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37A71600.F38E822E@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:09 AM 8/4/99 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >I wonder what the shell of the Amiga was btw? It was the shell of Tripos, the operating system they adopted. Tripos had some neat stuff, such as very fast hashed file name lookups. As has been mentioned in another message, though, one thing it did NOT have was memory protection. Errors due to memory corruption were called "Guru Meditations." Wild pointers caused the Guru to do a lot of meditating. ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 4:19:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BE714D18; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id NAA13235; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:16:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id NAA84571; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:34:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990804133416.57684@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:34:16 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Warner Losh Cc: David Scheidt , Nik Clayton , Poul-Henning Kamp , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <199908040527.XAA01019@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199908040527.XAA01019@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 11:27:20PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh writes: > In message David Scheidt writes: > : > Hmm. "I submitted a PR to FreeBSD, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." > : > : Wouldn't we rather have "I fixed a PR in FreeBSD..."? > > Hmmm, with words like "submit" and "fixed" one would hope the artwork > on this T shirt isn't too kinky... ;-) "Been there, fixed that" -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 4:54:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D7614D21 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7734E4140; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 720709B60; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Craig Harding Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-Reply-To: <19990804031109.D263E14EF6@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Craig Harding wrote: :Terry Lambert wrote: : :> FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had :> thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". : :[bzzzttt] : :Sorry, nowadays that's OOS. Orthopaedic Surgeon's still call it Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, as they always have. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 9:10:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FE9150DD; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id SAA08742; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:09:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id SAA85003; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990804182647.33801@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:26:47 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: David Scheidt Cc: Greg Lehey , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history References: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 07:08:28PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Scheidt writes: > > > > That's an anachronism. Neither sweet corn, capsicums or chilis were > > known in 1189. > > Still sounds really good, though. freebsd-recipes ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 9:11:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63A7150DD for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19395; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199908041610.JAA19395@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... In-Reply-To: <199908040511.PAA07330@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> from Stephen McKay at "Aug 4, 99 03:11:23 pm" To: syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au (Stephen McKay) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:10:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As I recall, Stephen McKay wrote: > You must be unaware of the drama over Matt's commit bit, or actually, > lack thereof. While I quite like the idea of a FreeBSD Committer > T-shirt, I would feel strange wearing mine while Matt was denied one. You're right. I'm unaware of any drama there. If it wasn't on the -stable list, I probably didn't see it. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 10:50:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAE51519E for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA30868; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908041750.KAA30868@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au (Stephen McKay), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <199908041610.JAA19395@freeway.dcfinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : :As I recall, Stephen McKay wrote: :> You must be unaware of the drama over Matt's commit bit, or actually, :> lack thereof. While I quite like the idea of a FreeBSD Committer :> T-shirt, I would feel strange wearing mine while Matt was denied one. : :You're right. I'm unaware of any drama there. : :If it wasn't on the -stable list, I probably didn't see it. : : -crl :-- :Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? Well, I suppose I would feel less well seeing others wear a committers T-shirt when I couldn't, but even if I were a committer I wouldn't wear a committers T-shirt. It's like thumbing one's nose at all the developers who contribute, but aren't committers even if it is not met to be. Same thing goes re: a 'core' T-shirt, or any other special T-shirt. I just don't think restricted T-shirts work for open-source projects. For closed projects it is another story, but even there the only thing that is readily acceptable is a company-wide T-shirt. This is how BEST worked - *everyone* got a T-shirt, or a BEST jacket, or a BEST sweater. This is, in fact, how LucasArts works too for the most part - any employee can buy just about any T-shirt, even the ones that are made by specific sub-companies. I have two ILM T-shirts that my brother bought me, for example. There is a reason that things are done that way. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 11: 2: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11151519E for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA03724; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:01:09 -0700 Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdy04paa; Wed Aug 4 11:01:03 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19006; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:01:01 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908041801.LAA19006@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD lightness: Free/Net/Open To: freyes@inch.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dscheidt@enteract.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908030100.VAA29833@arutam.inch.com> from "Francisco Reyes" at Aug 2, 99 09:01:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >They were 386-SX/16's with only 4M of memory each, and 512k of > >video RAM. > > Given that then I am beggining to feel more hopefull those 486s will do > the job. :-) Be sure you use a different machine as the font server and/or put the fonts on local disk. > >This was back in the 1.1.5.1 days, using a stripped kernel and > >netboot.exe > > What is netboot.exe? A program to boot FreeBSD from a running Windows 3.x or DOS machine. > What part of the kernel did you "strip out"? All unused drivers, filesystems, etc.. > Wouldn't a custom kernel do the job or are there savings to be made > from taking certain things out? Custom := stripped. > I would be hesitant to even try taking things out of the kernel.. Don't worry about removing NFS or the other hardware that isn't detected. There wasn't sound support at the time, so ripping out sound support, if you aren't going to be running a sound server, might be a good idea, too. I was actually able to get a really stripped 1.1.5.1 kernel to boot on a 1M ACER 386 box (yes, that's right: 1M). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 11:28: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD2A14DE9 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25992; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd025976; Wed Aug 4 11:27:56 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20515; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:27:52 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908041827.LAA20515@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? To: eagle@phc.igs.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:27:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908030454.AAA06582@eagle.phc.igs.net> from "eagle@phc.igs.net" at Aug 3, 99 00:54:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If i don't have my history all screwed up again. Terry Lambert was one > of the people behind the patchkit stuff.. > > If I am wrong PLEASE set me straight. I wrote the first 386BSD FAQ. I made the first 386BSD 0.1 kernel patch (for HP Vectra and AT&T WGS/E boxes). I handed the FAQ off (to David Burgess). I wrote the 386BSD patchkit software. I assembled the first comprehensive set of patches, using that software, and hand-applying the patches. I handed the patchkit off (to Nate, Rod, and Jordan). But I'd call Jordan "the fater of FreeBSD", if you had to single anyone out... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 11:34: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9860B15410 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA15620; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:34:02 -0700 Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpd9kyQya; Wed Aug 4 11:33:55 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20871; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:33:49 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI To: regnauld@ftf.net (Phil Regnauld) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:33:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: markov@globalnet.co.uk, tlambert@primenet.com, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> from "Phil Regnauld" at Aug 3, 99 12:23:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld writes: > Mark Ovens writes: > > > > > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > > > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > > > > > > > Why specifically Sun? > > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early > on, way before the others did ? On the money, as usual. They were the first company that actively encouraged you to move one of your hands (let's not leave out "lefties") away from "home row" by making the thing useful. It wasn't very useful in Windows until Windows 95 was released. Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, would be my guess... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12: 0:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4171546E; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA66853; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:50:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05775; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:05:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:05:21 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nik Clayton , Thomas Gellekum , Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990804090521.A5390@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199908011954.MAA54650@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990802101401.H64532@freebie.lemis.com> <19990802074955.C54109@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19990803153816.A39002@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:28:51AM +0930 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:28:51AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 3 August 1999 at 15:38:16 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 09:31:57AM +0200, Thomas Gellekum wrote: > >> Yes, but I'd still like to know what they had for lunch. > > > > BBQ. Steak, sausages, some home made bread, and a few salads (Nik's > > culinary tip for the day -- some sweetcorn, diced red and green peppers, > > one or two finely chopped green chillis, > > That's an anachronism. Neither sweet corn, capsicums or chilis were > known in 1189. Huh? Given the only lunch Thomas could have been referring to was mine (because I mentioned it in the commit message) I'd assumed that's what he was talking about. Perhaps we should co-opt the "FreeBSD Cook Book" folks. . . N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12: 4:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D49E153FE for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19646; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd019599; Wed Aug 4 12:03:12 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22547; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:03:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908041903.MAA22547@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:02:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908041827.LAA20515@usr07.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Aug 4, 99 06:27:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But I'd call Jordan "the fater of FreeBSD", if you had to single > anyone out... Sorry, "The Father of FreeBSD", lest anyone thing I was being an ass... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12: 7: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA16F1540B for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p67s07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.104] helo=marder-1.) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11C6N9-000649-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:06:43 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id TAA00384 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:59:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:59:57 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Al Gore wants out source code! Message-ID: <19990804195957.B272@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm, is this guy on something? After reading something in a (UK) computer magazine about Al Gore declaring his Website "Open Source" I decided to check it out, and sure enough at http://www.algore2000.com/getinvolved/index.html#open_site I found: 'In the spirit of the Open Source movement, we have established the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. www.algore2000.com is an "open site" ..... Since we launched in April, over 100 different suggestions from individual source code volunteers have been implemented on the site ....... Take a look at our source code. Send us your ideas on how to improve it.......' So, there you have it. If the FreeBSD project thinks Al Gore would make a good President (I assume he's running for President in 2000) then send him our source tree, and if not then try to get M$ to send him theirs :-) -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12: 7: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1F5F1542F for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 72447 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 19:06:49 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 19:06:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:06:49 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Terry Lambert Cc: Phil Regnauld , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-Reply-To: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability > of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, > would be my guess... I have noticed a distinct break in the number of poeple who can touch type based on age, at least among people who have been using a computer for a while. People older than 27 or so can touch type; people younger than this can't. There are exceptions, of course. Lots of people never learn to type properly, even when they have to type everything. Some people learn, even if they have been using mice since the age of 4. David, who learned to type on a cardpunch. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:14:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D166615206 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:13:29 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Mark Ovens" , Subject: RE: Al Gore wants out source code! Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <19990804195957.B272@marder-1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 'In the spirit of the Open Source movement, we have established > the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. www.algore2000.com is > an "open site" > ..... So does this mean I can take anything I like off of his web page, modify it as I see fit, and then distribute it? If not, it's not in the spirit of the Open Source movement at all. The OS movement is not about 100 volunteers submitting modifications in private to one person for exclusive use by that one person. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:14:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.global.net.uk [194.126.80.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F88215410 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p67s07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.104] helo=marder-1.) by sand5.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11C6UA-00077R-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:13:58 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id UAA00438; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:07:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:07:52 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Terry Lambert Cc: Phil Regnauld , sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990804200752.D272@marder-1> References: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:33:49PM +0000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:33:49PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Phil Regnauld writes: > > Mark Ovens writes: > > > > > > > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > > > > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > > > > > > > > > > Why specifically Sun? > > > > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early > > on, way before the others did ? > > On the money, as usual. > > They were the first company that actively encouraged you to move > one of your hands (let's not leave out "lefties") and "righties" who use the mouse with their left hand, like me ;-) > away from "home > row" by making the thing useful. It wasn't very useful in Windows > until Windows 95 was released. > > Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability > of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, > would be my guess... > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:20:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [12.9.219.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51B14CEC for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from HARLIE.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [12.9.219.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA41207 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... In-Reply-To: <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? Pardon me while I choke on my lunch. The BFD in my email address technically stands for "Bruce F. Dyer" who founded the company. However, they consider themselves a big deal, so other connotations for BFD are encouraged. Oh, and they'll do any promotional gimick that catches their twisted imagination. So what did I flash on while reading this? An actual promotional item we had, a pair of boxer shorts, with the BFD logo and a message printed on them (nicely done, actually). The message? "The Big Deal just got Bigger." (doublechecking, this is following up to chat, so it's not too far out of bounds :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:25:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC90514CEC for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p67s07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.104] helo=marder-1.) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11C6eh-0006lb-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:24:51 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id UAA00510; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:18:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:18:46 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: David Schwartz Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Al Gore wants out source code! Message-ID: <19990804201846.F272@marder-1> References: <19990804195957.B272@marder-1> <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to>; from David Schwartz on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:13:29PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:13:29PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > > > > 'In the spirit of the Open Source movement, we have established > > the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. www.algore2000.com is > > an "open site" > > ..... > > So does this mean I can take anything I like off of his web > page, modify it as I see fit, and then distribute it? I doubt it or his political opponents would have a field day :-) > If not, it's not in the spirit of the Open Source movement at > all. The OS movement is not about 100 volunteers submitting > modifications in private to one person for exclusive use by that one > person. > I think this is more a case of someone who doesn't have the first clue about what Open Source is, or the Internet for that matter. The article I referred to also included: 'Gore likes to boost his profile as a promoter of high tech and caused ROFLs from the computer cognosenti last May by claiming: "During my servide in the US Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" ' > DS > > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:35:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED09F15403 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id VAA11957; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:34:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id VAA85437; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990804215228.29464@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:52:29 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Terry Lambert Cc: markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:33:49PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > > Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability > of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, > would be my guess... Very interesting subject, in fact: look at the way 15 year-olds type on a word processor: "The Haunted House..." "" "There once was a house, a haunted..." ...etc... A journalist friend of mine teaches writing classes by turning off the monitor and asking people to type blind (that was even before mice). Saw a survey once made in 87 comparing "qualitative/presentation" aspects of college term papers made on Macs and PCs. Systematically, the PC (WordStar, etc...) version was estimated to be more polished, while maybe less pretty to look at. Mac users, on the other hand, had missing words, sentences repeated twice. Interruption of the "train of thoughts" ? :-) -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:39:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB2015403 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6642414E; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEFE09B5F; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Terry Lambert Cc: eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? In-Reply-To: <199908041827.LAA20515@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: :I wrote the first 386BSD FAQ. :I made the first 386BSD 0.1 kernel patch (for HP Vectra and AT&T WGS/E boxes). :I handed the FAQ off (to David Burgess). :I wrote the 386BSD patchkit software. :I assembled the first comprehensive set of patches, using that :software, and hand-applying the patches. :I handed the patchkit off (to Nate, Rod, and Jordan). Yes, but did you expect fairings? Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 12:39:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0678015450 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4408414E; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8EE39B5F; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Terry Lambert Cc: eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? In-Reply-To: <199908041903.MAA22547@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: :> But I'd call Jordan "the fater of FreeBSD", if you had to single :> anyone out... : :Sorry, "The Father of FreeBSD", lest anyone thing I was being an ass... There is an unwritten rule somewhere. Something about correcting spelling and grammar mistakes. I wasn't aware that it applied to original posters correcting themselves. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 13: 8:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21710151AB for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Received: from spiffy.cybernet.com (spiffy.cybernet.com [192.245.33.55]) by gateway.cybernet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16689; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908030428.AAA18983@arutam.inch.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mtaylor@cybernet.com Organization: Cybernet Systems From: "Mark J. Taylor" To: Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: High-end FreeBSD configration suggestion needed Cc: FreeBSd Chat list Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Aug-99 Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:49:39 -0400, Mark J. Taylor wrote: > >>Perhaps shortly (if I can convince the people here), we will see >>a public release of the vinum RAID5 software module. > > > I would be happy even if I could get it in Netmax. It will be in the FreeBSD version of the NetMAX, but not in the FreeBSD 3.2 version. We're still using the ccd driver- we plan to convert to vinum sometime after the next NetMAX/Linux release. The next Linux 2.0.37/RedHat 5.2 version (coming out in a few weeks) will have software RAID5. The current Linux 2.0.37/RedHat 5.2 version does not have this feature. > >>This decision is mostly in the hands of Lauren Works (lworks@cybernet.com) > > Sent her an email. > > In particular I mentioned what a great marketting tool it would be to > have the netmax URL as part of the boot process. :-) > Thanks for the suggestion! > > Sent to chat... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 13:44:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sprawlnet.com (ns1.sprawlnet.com [208.224.169.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BAF150D4 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@freebsdbox.org) Received: from jedi (jedi.sprawlnet.com [208.224.169.134]) by ns1.sprawlnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id EAA09874 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:42:52 GMT (envelope-from mike@freebsdbox.org) Message-ID: <001601bedeb9$e1757580$86a9e0d0@sprawlnet.com> From: "Michael Steinfeld" To: References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:42:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Nik Clayton To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Nik Clayton ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... > [Reply-to set to -chat] > > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:22:55PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>, Nik Clayton writes: > > >Just for completeness; > > > > Yeah, sorry for leaving you gang out , but I didn't want to make > > it too long, the important thing was to get the three main kinds > > down, doc committers are pretty much the same story as the other > > two "limited scope" types. > > Oh, absolutely. But you have to understand that the -doc committers are > a rough crowd, and if I don't speak up for them every so they often they > start saying rude things about my parentage. > > What's worse is the translation teams -- they say rude things about my > parentage and I can't even understand what they're saying. . . > > [ Hmm, there's a thought -- could someone who speaks Japanese, Spanish, > or one of the other languages we've got translated please check out the > different translations of the FAQ, and make sure it doesn't just consist > of "Nik's mother wears army boots" repeated again and again. Thanks ] > > > >At least, that's my take on it. > > > > > >> NOTE: If somebody can find a sponsor for it, I would really > > >> like to offer an "official FreeBSD Committer sweat-shirt" > > >> to each and every single committer. Luxury cars, free > > >> vacations and suitcases filled with cash would also do. > > > > > >How about the FreeBSD Project coming up with the > > >artwork, and then 'licensing' it to each user group? > > > > For it to have significance for the committers, it should be done in > > such a manner that only the committers get their hands on them. > > As Matt points out, this has room to backfire. You can see the commit > log now; > > Modified files: > CVSROOT avail > Log: > > John Smith is no longer a committer. He's promised to burn his t-shirt > in private, and never mention this again. > > Given that (by and large) the committers are just a subset of a much larger > developer base, and that we have developers who, for their own reasons, > have declined to become committers, something that's limited to committers > is probably not so great. > > But for patches that closed PRs, absolutely. > > We could maybe have a generic design that's registered as a copyright (or > a trademark, or whatever) with the project, and the project can license > this design out to user groups, or individuals, as necessary, and for a > small fee. > > So, if the UK user group wanted to put out 'official UK FreeBSD user group' > t-shirts then they can do so, for (say $20 licensing for the design, and > $1 per t-shirt). And to pick another example at random, Matt could have > a "FreeBSD VM God" t-shirt (and richly deserved it is too). > > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? > > OK, maybe not the last one. > > N Now the Boxer shorts is a great idea . Just make sure the come in packages of 5-7 at least. cause I know if I only had one pair..... ahh, nevermind that is not important. I don't want to paint any type of picture that my personal hygiene is compromised by the logo on my boxer shorts. In any case .. I'm ready to order ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 14: 8:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop06.iname.net (pop06.iname.net [165.251.8.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BCB14CED for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r21.bfm.org [208.18.213.117]) by pop06.iname.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA09114; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990804160222.009b0a60@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:02:22 -0500 To: Mark Ovens , David Schwartz From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Al Gore wants out source code! Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990804201846.F272@marder-1> References: <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to> <19990804195957.B272@marder-1> <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:18 04-08-1999 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: >'Gore likes to boost his profile as a promoter of high tech and >caused ROFLs from the computer cognosenti last May by claiming: >"During my servide in the US Congress, I took the initiative in >creating the Internet" ' From a message I saw in a different mailing list today: "Gore took a critical part [in launching the Internet]," says Dave Farber, a professor of telecommunication systems at the University of Pennsylvania. "He did misspeak, and everybody jumped on him, but he made a very significant contribution." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 15:43:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDBD153F8 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-147.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.147]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA01620; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:42:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A8C1E4.D1C58761@airnet.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:42:44 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamie Bowden Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Craig Harding wrote: > > :Terry Lambert wrote: > : > :> FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > :> thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > : > :[bzzzttt] > : > :Sorry, nowadays that's OOS. > > Orthopaedic Surgeon's still call it Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, as they always > have. Which thankfully I don't have yet at 19. I have a matching pair of bone spurs (which I think are cool) from where my wrists lay on the keyboard drawer and mouse pad. When I show them to people, they get scared of computers. I wonder why... :-) I'm left-handed but the right one is larger. (I grew up in right-handed household.) And yes, I can't touch type that well, but I'd like to think I'm doing ok. I think I need to spend some time with kp (from the ports collection). -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 15:53:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C509B14D7D for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18390.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.70]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06574; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA85750; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:47:21 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: David Scheidt Cc: Terry Lambert , Phil Regnauld , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990804184721.B85635@mad> References: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:06:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:06:49PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > > People older than 27 or so can touch type; people younger than > this can't. There are exceptions, of course. Yes, absolutely, some generations are doomed to being complete failures at certain activities. This isn't their fault, but usually the fault of the generation that came before them. For example, earlier in this century, there was a large war. To make-up for the war, everyone had a lot of sex and produced many children. Unfortunately, because there were too many children, an imbalance of power occurred and enmity developed between the two generations. The older generation began to stereotype the younger generation. There's nothing wrong with stereotypes (provided they're correct). Unfortunately, the younger generation reacted to the negative (but not necessarily, although perhaps, wrong) stereotype. This backlash reaction doomed that younger generation...they will never be able to correctly define an attribute-set held by any group of people (such as the generation after them, for example). Examples of this inability can be seen all over the place. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 16:25: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from queasy.outpost.co.nz (outpost2.inspire.net.nz [203.96.157.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2ED114DCD for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crh@outpost.co.nz) Received: (qmail 3125 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from officedonkey.outpost.co.nz (HELO officedonkey) (192.168.1.3) by queasy.outpost.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:24:20 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig Harding" Organization: Outpost Digital Media Ltd To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:10:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Reply-To: crh@outpost.co.nz In-reply-to: <37A8C1E4.D1C58761@airnet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-Id: <19990804232458.E2ED114DCD@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote: > I can't touch type that well, but I'd like to think I'm doing ok. I > think I need to spend some time with kp (from the ports collection). The really handy thing about touch typing (apart from all the obviously handy things like being able to type really fast) is that a lot of the common phrases and words you use become patterned into muscle memory. This came in very useful the time I realised I'd forgotten the password to a system I hadn't used in several months. I just ran briskly through the login procedure and my fingers remembered the password for me. -- C. -- Craig Harding crh@outpost.co.nz "I don't know about God, I Outpost Digital Media Ltd crh@inspire.net.nz just think we're handmade" http://www.outpost.co.nz ICQ# 26701833 - Polly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17: 2:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989C614F73 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6A053C5D; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:01:07 -0700 From: dannyman To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Mark Ovens , Terry Lambert , "Stephen C. Fuqua" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:23:16PM +0200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:23:16PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Mark Ovens writes: [...] > > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > > > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > > > > Why specifically Sun? > > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early > on, way before the others did ? and those optical mice sucked really bad. you had to move them the right way on the little silver grid, and in the sticky lab environment i used them at, this meant pretty much holding the mouse from above and guiding it along on each edge with my fingers, carefully clicking where needed ... AUGH! thanks for bringing back some nasty memories! :p -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17: 6:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3C14F73 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C16883C5D; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:06:33 -0700 From: dannyman To: Craig Harding Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990804170633.D5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <37A8C1E4.D1C58761@airnet.net> <19990804232458.E2ED114DCD@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990804232458.E2ED114DCD@hub.freebsd.org>; from Craig Harding on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:10:14AM +1200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:10:14AM +1200, Craig Harding wrote: > Kris Kirby wrote: > > > I can't touch type that well, but I'd like to think I'm doing ok. I > > think I need to spend some time with kp (from the ports collection). > > The really handy thing about touch typing (apart from all the > obviously handy things like being able to type really fast) is that a > lot of the common phrases and words you use become patterned into > muscle memory. This came in very useful the time I realised I'd > forgotten the password to a system I hadn't used in several months. I [...] I type with my left hand. I do it really fast because over many years I've formed a pretty good connection between seeing out the keys with my eyes while I type and sending accurate instructions to my fingers. This system, while limited in top speed, has a few upshots: 1) Leaves my right hand free to mouse right-handed. 2) I can type about as fast as others who touvh-type at normal speeds. 3) By ignoring the screen, I can concentrate more on the text that I am creating. This kicks but for pre-writing. 4) It attracts attention and intimidates people. :) -danny -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17: 8:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D7614F73 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from pafs07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.176] helo=marder-1.) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CB4w-00000O-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:08:14 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id BAA01193; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:11 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: dannyman Cc: Phil Regnauld , Terry Lambert , "Stephen C. Fuqua" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990805010211.B1109@marder-1> References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org>; from dannyman on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:01:07PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:01:07PM -0700, dannyman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:23:16PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > Mark Ovens writes: > [...] > > > > FWIW, we used to call this "Sun Mouse Syndrome" back before we had > > > > thousands of people giving it mass-media names like "RSI". > > > > > > Why specifically Sun? > > > > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early > > on, way before the others did ? > > and those optical mice sucked really bad. you had to move them the right way > on the little silver grid, I like them, still use one at work although the newer ones aren't as sensitive to direction on the optical mat (which is just as well coz I use mine left-handed with right-handed buttons so tend to use it at ~30degrees to the edge of the mat) > and in the sticky lab environment i used them at, > this meant pretty much holding the mouse from above and guiding it along on > each edge with my fingers, carefully clicking where needed ... AUGH! > > thanks for bringing back some nasty memories! :p > > -d > > -- > dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17:41:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C309154C4 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15129; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:41:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:41:06 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Mail-Followup-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:23PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:23PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? > > OK, maybe not the last one. so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than one of then ? this leads tot he question "OK, maybe not the last one." refering to the anorak word ? i've heard this word lots of times and all the time its a different style of jacket being refered to, though they all seem to agree it comes from your neck of the world, so i thought i'd ask you. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17:57:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374F814BE4 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B77D93C5D; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:57:24 -0700 From: dannyman To: Mark Ovens Cc: David Schwartz , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Al Gore wants out source code! Message-ID: <19990804175724.G5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <19990804195957.B272@marder-1> <002201bedead$6f4abcb0$021d85d1@youwant.to> <19990804201846.F272@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990804201846.F272@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:18:46PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:18:46PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: [...] > > If not, it's not in the spirit of the Open Source movement at > > all. The OS movement is not about 100 volunteers submitting > > modifications in private to one person for exclusive use by that one > > person. > > I think this is more a case of someone who doesn't have the first > clue about what Open Source is, or the Internet for that matter. Here's my letter: From dannyman@dannyland.org Wed Aug 4 17:53:29 1999 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:53:29 -0700 From: dannyman To: sourcecodevolunteers@algore2000.com Subject: i don't get it So, "In the spirit of the Open Source" movement you are soliciting feedback about your HTML source code, so that you may incorporate original work in to your web site under your copyright - "All Rights Reserved". This does not strike me as being in the spirit of Open Source: - The idea is you can take from others, giving credit for where your content originated. - The idea is that others can take from you, without your consent, as long as they give similar credit. Your "Open Site" philosophy strikes me as pointless because: - Anyone can already look at anyone else's HTML "source" code and critique it. It appears to me that all you are really doing is asking for people to lint-pick your site without compensation, thus saving your volunteer or paid campaign staff some of the effort. Do you make any Open Source resources available in return or are you just trying to jump on the latest buzz-word to impress the naive? To your credit, Bradley's site doesn't even HAVE a feedback function that I can find. Or a platform. So even if your site is well-polished and buzzword-rific, you're ahead in the web race. :) Thanks, -danny -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 17:58:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.global.net.uk [194.126.80.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3A815150 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from pafs07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.176] helo=marder-1.) by sand5.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CBqv-0001eL-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:57:49 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id BAA01389; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:51:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:51:47 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: jonathan michaels Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Message-ID: <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au>; from jonathan michaels on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:41:06AM +1000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:41:06AM +1000, jonathan michaels wrote: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:23PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? > > > > OK, maybe not the last one. > > so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than > one of then ? > > this leads tot he question "OK, maybe not the last one." > refering to the anorak word ? > > i've heard this word lots of times and all the time its a > different style of jacket being refered to, though they all > seem to agree it comes from your neck of the world, so i > thought i'd ask you. > They're a weather-proof jacket, usually made from nylon or polyester with filling/padding for warmth. The reason for "OK, maybe not the last one" is because, in the UK at least, the word is used as a derogatory term for someone who is considered boring, originally applied to train-spotters (because they all wear anoraks to keep them warm whilst stood on railway stations for hours), but now used for people who spend all their time on their computers and talk about little else. A kind of polite version of "sad bastard". > regards > > jonathan > > -- > =============================================================================== > Jonathan Michaels > PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia > =========================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 18:11:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF51151A5 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-2.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.2]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA07082; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA36573; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:41:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908050041.TAA36573@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert Cc: eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? In-reply-to: Message from Terry Lambert of "Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:02:26 -0000." <199908041903.MAA22547@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:41:40 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > > But I'd call Jordan "the fater of FreeBSD", if you had to single > > anyone out... > > Sorry, "The Father of FreeBSD", lest anyone thing I was being an ass... ^^^^^ Were you fat-fingered again on *purpose*? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 20:48:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from queasy.outpost.co.nz (outpost2.inspire.net.nz [203.96.157.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5742014BF6 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crh@outpost.co.nz) Received: (qmail 4659 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 03:47:59 -0000 Received: from officedonkey.outpost.co.nz (HELO officedonkey) (192.168.1.3) by outpost2.inspire.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 03:47:59 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig Harding" Organization: Outpost Digital Media Ltd To: dannyman Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:33:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Al Gore wants out source code! Reply-To: crh@outpost.co.nz Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990804175724.G5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <19990804201846.F272@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:18:46PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-Id: <19990805034818.5742014BF6@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dannyman wrote: > Here's my letter: > > [...stuff deleted...] > > It appears to me that all you are really doing is asking for people > to lint-pick your site without compensation, thus saving your > volunteer or paid campaign staff some of the effort. Do you make > any Open Source resources available in return or are you just trying > to jump on the latest buzz-word to impress the naive? Heh. Seen "Bulworth"? He's just being a politician. -- C. -- Craig Harding crh@outpost.co.nz "I don't know about God, I Outpost Digital Media Ltd crh@inspire.net.nz just think we're handmade" http://www.outpost.co.nz ICQ# 26701833 - Polly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 4 21:37:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E7514D40 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:37:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) Received: from winbox (we-24-130-60-147.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.147]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16352 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990804213445.007985f0@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:34:45 -0700 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Joey Garcia Subject: Blair Witch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So....anyone go see Blair Witch project? Was the ending sweet or what? Mike was standing in the corner....I don't think I can get that image out of my head. Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 2:35:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5CE154A3 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA07117; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:34:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA86548; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990805115218.14830@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:52:18 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Mark Ovens Cc: jonathan michaels , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:51:47AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > > > > so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than > > one of then ? > > They're a weather-proof jacket, usually made from nylon or polyester > with filling/padding for warmth. Not originally -- IIRC, they're weather proof jackets, made from oiled seal or walrus skin. Typically found in Greenland. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 2:38:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ED5151E8 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA07672; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:37:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA86570; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990805115510.10188@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:55:10 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: dannyman Cc: Mark Ovens , Terry Lambert , "Stephen C. Fuqua" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org>; from dannyman on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:01:07PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dannyman writes: > > and those optical mice sucked really bad. you had to move them the right way > on the little silver grid, and in the sticky lab environment i used them at, Nobody said you had to use them at the bottom of a swamp :-) -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 2:42:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C352514CEC for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA52359; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:39:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Terry Lambert Cc: regnauld@ftf.net (Phil Regnauld), markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 05 Aug 1999 11:39:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:33:49 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability > of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, > would be my guess... Gah. I share an office with a web designer (no, really; he makes really nice stuff, and good sales brochures too) who has one of those new-fangled Mac thingies with the little round mouse. The guy *never* uses the arrow keys, and very seldom uses the backspace key. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 2:43: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2096B14CEC for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA52396; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:41:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Terry Lambert , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> <19990804215228.29464@ns.int.ftf.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 05 Aug 1999 11:41:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: Phil Regnauld's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:52:29 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld writes: > Interruption of the You missed an i. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 2:44:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4EB154A3 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA08332; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:43:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id MAA86631; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:00:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990805120057.44185@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:00:57 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Terry Lambert , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <199908041833.LAA20871@usr07.primenet.com> <19990804215228.29464@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:41:15AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Phil Regnauld writes: > > Interruption of the > > You missed an i. See ? I'm impaired. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 4:24: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kuang.laser.dsi.unimi.it (kuang.laser.dsi.unimi.it [159.149.153.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA924154BB for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@laser.dsi.unimi.it) Received: (qmail 26755 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Aug 1999 11:25:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805112513.26754.qmail@kuang.laser.dsi.unimi.it> From: "Marco Molteni" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:25:13 +0200 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Edupage, 4 August 1999 (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good bye IRIX ??? ;-) Marco -----Forwarded message from EDUCAUSE ----- [..] SILICON GRAPHICS BETTING ON LINUX On Monday, Silicon Graphics Inc. reportedly will announce that it will use the Linux operating system for its high-end computers. Linux is seen as a competitor to Microsoft NT, and is seen by many as a good value considering that the only costs involved come from service and support. Silicon will continue to make computers for the NT operating system ranging from $8,945 to $14,000 but use only Linux for the more powerful Silicon Graphics computers in the years to come. (Investor's Business Daily 08/02/99) [..] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Marco Molteni LASER Network Security Lab Computer Science Department University of Milan, Italy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 4:56: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cis.ohio-state.edu (mail.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.115.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1480D14D6C for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmcurtin@cis.ohio-state.edu) Received: from gold.cis.ohio-state.edu (cmcurtin@gold.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.112.16]) by cis.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16725; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by gold.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA06171; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:55:07 -0400 (EDT) To: "Marco Molteni" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Edupage, 4 August 1999 (fwd) References: <19990805112513.26754.qmail@kuang.laser.dsi.unimi.it> X-Face: L"IcL.b%SDN]0Kql2b`e.}+i05V9fi\yX#H1+Xl)3!+n/3?5`%-SA-HDgPk9uTk<3dv^J5DCgal)-E{`zN#*o6F|y>r)\< Date: 05 Aug 1999 07:55:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Marco Molteni"'s message of "Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:25:13 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:25:13 +0200, "Marco Molteni" said: Marco> Good bye IRIX ??? ;-) Not likely. SGI is making sure that Linux runs on its Visual Workstations (Intel-based), which will not run IRIX. Additionally, they seem to be interested in getting it to run on some desktop models (i.e., Indy). But it would be quite some time before they're ready to ditch IRIX altogether. Do you really want to run Linux on a cluster of Challenge/XLs? Edupage> SILICON GRAPHICS "Silicon Graphics Inc" changed its name to SGI. SGI stands for nothing now, as is true of AT&T. -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 5: 5:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1730814CDE for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 05:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id OAA18915; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:04:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id OAA86909; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:22:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990805142229.10661@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:22:29 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Matt Curtin Cc: Marco Molteni , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Edupage, 4 August 1999 (fwd) References: <19990805112513.26754.qmail@kuang.laser.dsi.unimi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Matt Curtin on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 07:55:06AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matt Curtin writes: > they're ready to ditch IRIX altogether. Do you really want to run > Linux on a cluster of Challenge/XLs? More than IRIX, yes. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 9:54:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A515154EA for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp4.pm2a.wport.com [206.129.99.54]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PKDHWPSX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:42:53 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Scheidt Cc: Terry Lambert , Phil Regnauld , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Scheidt wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Hmmm. I wonder how the existance of mice has impacted the ability > > of the post-mouse generation to learn touch-typing. Negatively, > > would be my guess... > > I have noticed a distinct break in the number of poeple who can touch type > based on age, at least among people who have been using a computer for > a while. People older than 27 or so can touch type; people younger than > this can't. There are exceptions, of course. Lots of people never learn > to type properly, even when they have to type everything. Some people > learn, even if they have been using mice since the age of 4. I think high-schools are moving towards requiring a typing class to graduate. I really like typing a whole lot more than using the mouse. Things get done much faster with the keyboard than with click-damn, missed, click..., damn have to click on that window... -- Eric Hodel - age: 19 hodeleri@seattleu.edu "They cook your gonies" -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 10:31:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2269615500 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-248.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.248]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA29399; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:29:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A9C9F9.FE5F7CDC@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:29:29 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dannyman Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908021642.JAA23730@nothing.nas.nasa.gov> <199908022257.PAA12288@usr08.primenet.com> <19990803094810.A267@marder-1> <19990803122316.07266@ns.int.ftf.net> <19990804170107.C5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dannyman wrote: > > > Why specifically Sun? > > > > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early > > on, way before the others did ? > > and those optical mice sucked really bad. you had to move them the right way > on the little silver grid, and in the sticky lab environment i used them at, > this meant pretty much holding the mouse from above and guiding it along on > each edge with my fingers, carefully clicking where needed ... AUGH! > > thanks for bringing back some nasty memories! :p Until recently a local university still had some old Sun equipment with the aforementioned optical mice. Took me a while to realise that the mouse cared which way it was facing. And some of those pads were missing lines in them. I think the favorite trick was to turn the pad 90 degrees. Next person through assumed it had problems and left it alone.... -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 10:33: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B320A1550B for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-248.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.248]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA22790; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:32:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A9CABE.28935243@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:32:46 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crh@outpost.co.nz Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <19990804232458.E2ED114DCD@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Craig Harding wrote: > > Kris Kirby wrote: > > > I can't touch type that well, but I'd like to think I'm doing ok. I > > think I need to spend some time with kp (from the ports collection). > > The really handy thing about touch typing (apart from all the > obviously handy things like being able to type really fast) is that a > lot of the common phrases and words you use become patterned into > muscle memory. This came in very useful the time I realised I'd > forgotten the password to a system I hadn't used in several months. I > just ran briskly through the login procedure and my fingers > remembered the password for me. I've experienced this too. Typing passwords (or logging in) becomes a reflex, not a totally conscious behavior. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 10:36:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63E154F4 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-248.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.248]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA06031; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:35:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A9CB59.ABB78856@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:35:21 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:41:06AM +1000, jonathan michaels wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:23PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? > > > > > > OK, maybe not the last one. > > > > so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than > > one of then ? > > > > this leads tot he question "OK, maybe not the last one." > > refering to the anorak word ? > > > > i've heard this word lots of times and all the time its a > > different style of jacket being refered to, though they all > > seem to agree it comes from your neck of the world, so i > > thought i'd ask you. > > > > They're a weather-proof jacket, usually made from nylon or polyester > with filling/padding for warmth. > > The reason for "OK, maybe not the last one" is because, in the UK > at least, the word is used as a derogatory term for someone who is > considered boring, originally applied to train-spotters (because > they all wear anoraks to keep them warm whilst stood on railway > stations for hours), but now used for people who spend all their > time on their computers and talk about little else. A kind of polite > version of "sad bastard". This was stabbing at my as a word I was recently acquainted with. I didn't remember seeing it here and then I remembered: Simon, the BOFH. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 11:11:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAF415280 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05114; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA10346; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:11:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id NAA15907; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:11:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199908051811.NAA15907@free.pcs> To: kris@airnet.net, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you write: >dannyman wrote: >> > > Why specifically Sun? >> > >> > Because Sun shipped optical mice with their workstations very early >> > on, way before the others did ? >> >> and those optical mice sucked really bad. you had to move them the right way >> on the little silver grid, and in the sticky lab environment i used them at, >> this meant pretty much holding the mouse from above and guiding it along on >> each edge with my fingers, carefully clicking where needed ... AUGH! >> >> thanks for bringing back some nasty memories! :p > >Until recently a local university still had some old Sun equipment with >the aforementioned optical mice. Took me a while to realise that the >mouse cared which way it was facing. And some of those pads were missing >lines in them. I think the favorite trick was to turn the pad 90 >degrees. Next person through assumed it had problems and left it >alone.... At an old univ lab, some students got the semi-bright idea of trying to reserve a sun during exam time by swiping the optical mousepad, effectively rendering the mouse unuseable. However, we discovered that the cotton weave lines on typical jeans performed fairly nicely as a substitute. :-) -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 13:51:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from balsam.methow.com (balsam.methow.com [206.107.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4321315568 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcole@balsam.methow.com) Received: (qmail 14672 invoked by uid 535); 5 Aug 1999 20:50:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:50:02 -0700 From: Travis Cole To: Eric Hodel , David Scheidt Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:42:53PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:42:53PM -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: > David Scheidt wrote: > > > > I have noticed a distinct break in the number of poeple who can touch type > > based on age, at least among people who have been using a computer for > > a while. People older than 27 or so can touch type; people younger than > > this can't. There are exceptions, of course. Lots of people never learn > > to type properly, even when they have to type everything. Some people > > learn, even if they have been using mice since the age of 4. > > I think high-schools are moving towards requiring a typing class to > graduate. I really like typing a whole lot more than using the mouse. > Things get done much faster with the keyboard than with click-damn, > missed, click..., damn have to click on that window... > My had to take 2 trimesters of typing (they called it keyboarding for some lame reason) my freshmen year of high school. It was the most borring class possible, but damn, am I glad I had to suffer through it. No looking at the keyboard here and I'm only 20. -- --Travis When it comes to violence, morality and the young, we're the Idiot Nation, the laughingstock not only of the civilized world but of the highly-wired generation of kids we're supposedly trying to protect. Jon Katz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 14:59:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C8014E34 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C951674F; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:34 -0700 From: Chris Piazza To: Travis Cole Cc: Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990805145834.B46486@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu>; from Travis Cole on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:50:02PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:50:02PM -0700, Travis Cole wrote: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:42:53PM -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: > > David Scheidt wrote: > > > > > > I have noticed a distinct break in the number of poeple who can touch type > > > based on age, at least among people who have been using a computer for > > > a while. People older than 27 or so can touch type; people younger than > > > this can't. There are exceptions, of course. Lots of people never learn > > > to type properly, even when they have to type everything. Some people > > > learn, even if they have been using mice since the age of 4. > > > > I think high-schools are moving towards requiring a typing class to > > graduate. I really like typing a whole lot more than using the mouse. > > Things get done much faster with the keyboard than with click-damn, > > missed, click..., damn have to click on that window... > > > > My had to take 2 trimesters of typing (they called it keyboarding for > some lame reason) my freshmen year of high school. It was the > most borring class possible, but damn, am I glad I had to suffer > through it. > > No looking at the keyboard here and I'm only 20. This I don't understand. Is it really true that younger people can't touch type very well? I've been able to touch type since I was 11 or 12 years old, and I'm 18 now. -Chris -- cpiazza@home.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org "It's better to be quotable than to be honest." --Tom Stoppard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 15:36:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52D5155C6 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-143-177.s50.as2.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.177]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00164; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908052205.SAA00164@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990805145834.B46486@norn.ca.eu.org> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:05:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Piazza Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, David Scheidt , Eric Hodel , Travis Cole Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Aug-99 Chris Piazza wrote: > This I don't understand. Is it really true that younger people > can't touch type very well? I've been able to touch type since > I was 11 or 12 years old, and I'm 18 now. > > -Chris I think we are the exceptions. You're using Unix for crying out loud, which is very much command line driven. How many of our peers are using Unix (or Unix-like for the nitpickers)? In the grand scheme of things, not many. Most of them only use Windows, and have never seen a command prompt before. Some are even horrified when I pull up a DOS prompt on their box to try and fix stuff. > -- > cpiazza@home.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org > "It's better to be quotable than to be honest." > --Tom Stoppard --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 15:40:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0EB155E4 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-195.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.195]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA25422; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37AA1271.A3702B68@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:38:41 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> <37A9CB59.ABB78856@airnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote: > > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:41:06AM +1000, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:23PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > > > > But why stop at t-shirts? FreeBSD boxer shorts? Bra and panties? Anoraks? > > > > > > > > OK, maybe not the last one. > > > > > > so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than > > > one of then ? > > > > > > this leads tot he question "OK, maybe not the last one." > > > refering to the anorak word ? > > > > > > i've heard this word lots of times and all the time its a > > > different style of jacket being refered to, though they all > > > seem to agree it comes from your neck of the world, so i > > > thought i'd ask you. > > > > > > > They're a weather-proof jacket, usually made from nylon or polyester > > with filling/padding for warmth. > > > > The reason for "OK, maybe not the last one" is because, in the UK > > at least, the word is used as a derogatory term for someone who is > > considered boring, originally applied to train-spotters (because > > they all wear anoraks to keep them warm whilst stood on railway > > stations for hours), but now used for people who spend all their > > time on their computers and talk about little else. A kind of polite > > version of "sad bastard". > > This was stabbing at my as a word I was recently acquainted with. I > didn't remember seeing it here and then I remembered: Simon, the BOFH. Woah. That doesn't sound right. This was stabbing at me as a word.... -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 17:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC6F14CF9 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp4.pm3b.wport.com [206.129.99.151]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PKDHWVNT; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:03:27 -0700 Message-ID: <37AA26C9.3290D983@seattleu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:05:29 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908052205.SAA00164@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > I think we are the exceptions. You're using Unix for crying out loud, which is > very much command line driven. How many of our peers are using Unix (or > Unix-like for the nitpickers)? In the grand scheme of things, not many. Most > of them only use Windows, and have never seen a command prompt before. Some > are even horrified when I pull up a DOS prompt on their box to try and fix > stuff. hehe. Until I really started learning about the power of the command prompt, I really liked the Windows command prompt compared to Windows itself. Now I find it sickening. (but still more useful than windows: net use x: \\streettalk\wan files@paccint@paccint rather than click type click type click, wait because I typed something wrong...) -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "They cook your gonies" -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 18:11:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9C514D06 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18396.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.76]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24016; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA58736; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:05:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:05:40 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Chris Piazza Cc: Travis Cole , Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> <19990805145834.B46486@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990805145834.B46486@norn.ca.eu.org>; from Chris Piazza on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:34PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:34PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > > This I don't understand. Is it really true that younger people > can't touch type very well? I've been able to touch type since No, and to the person who responded to this, no, the argument that "readers of -chat are non-representative of younger people" does not apply. All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a bunch of phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through toggle switches and how we have it so good these days with structured languages. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 18:33:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3114D12 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-143-188.s61.as2.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.188]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19432; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908060133.VAA19432@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, David Scheidt , Eric Hodel , Travis Cole , Chris Piazza Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Aug-99 Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:34PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: >> >> This I don't understand. Is it really true that younger people >> can't touch type very well? I've been able to touch type since > > No, and to the person who responded to this, no, the argument that > "readers of -chat are non-representative of younger people" does not > apply. All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a > bunch of phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should > stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through > toggle switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > languages. Umm... I'm only 21 myself (I'm the the person who responded originally) and if the people I've met at my university (including other CS majors) is any representation, then touch typing is not a very wide spread art. Perhaps my school is an anomaly. --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 19:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98B414E39 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18396.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.76]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11246; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA58723; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:01:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:01:34 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Eric Hodel Cc: David Scheidt , Terry Lambert , Phil Regnauld , markov@globalnet.co.uk, sfuqua@nas.nasa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sfuqua@nothing.nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990805200134.C58583@mad> References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:42:53PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:42:53PM -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: > > I think high-schools are moving towards requiring a typing class to > graduate. I really like typing a whole lot more than using the mouse. High schools? Try grade schools. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 20:37:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (br3-de0.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D225314F03 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@hamell.hpc1.com) Received: from heorot.hamell.hpc1.com (host74-125.iwbc.net [216.228.74.125]) by br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA69019; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@hamell.hpc1.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-Reply-To: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > apply. All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a > bunch of phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should > stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through > toggle switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > languages. I'm just glad that I could convice the school that three years of programming classes more then made up for one single semester of typing... I would have hated to have to go through that in high school... Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 21:41:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (mail2.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C214F54 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-100-225.asm.bellsouth.net [216.78.100.225]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25252 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA08382; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:40:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199908060440.AAA08382@bellsouth.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:00:50 PDT." Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:40:20 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a bunch of > phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should stick to > stories about being forced to program their Altairs through toggle > switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > languages. Bah, I had a paper tape reader on my ASR33 teletype. There was a very small loader we entered through the front panel but the biggest problem was avoiding inevitable tears of the tape. You weenie whippersnappers can handle electronics fine but let's see you fix something with the mechanical complexity of a teletype, or even change the oil in your (imported) car. Build your own big-block Chevy musclecar? Forget it :P Now that I've learned I am older than Jordan it's time for a mid-life crisis. I do *look* younger than him though... hehe Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 22:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6664614E7B for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:59149 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:09:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:09:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Travis Cole Cc: Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-Reply-To: <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Travis Cole wrote: > My had to take 2 trimesters of typing (they called it keyboarding for > some lame reason) my freshmen year of high school. It was the > most borring class possible, but damn, am I glad I had to suffer > through it. Well, when I was in grade 10 I was enrolled in a typing course. A month (or maybe a bit more) after it started, (after spending 3 weeks or so of that month doing things not related to class during class time) I convinced everyone of my typing skills by successfully typing a single sentence, error free, at 130 words per minute. Wow. I can't do that for everything of course. But it was a good demonstration. It convinced the school that I was wasting my time, and had the time slot free for the rest of the year. Good deal, I think. (...17 and touch types...) Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 5 23: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA0A14FBB for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18378.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.58]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28045; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA60474; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:08:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:08:42 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, David Scheidt , Eric Hodel , Travis Cole , Chris Piazza Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990806020842.B60194@mad> References: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> <199908060133.VAA19432@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908060133.VAA19432@smtp1.erols.com>; from John Baldwin on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:33:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:33:03PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > Umm... I'm only 21 myself (I'm the the person who responded > originally) and if the people I've met at my university (including > other CS majors) is any representation, then touch typing is not a > very wide spread art. Perhaps my school is an anomaly. I know some people who can't touch-type. They don't go to university. In fact, even at best they're borderline on what is sometimes called "computer literate". -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 0:28:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769214E9C for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA403234; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:18 -0700 Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdLCjOaa; Fri Aug 6 00:27:14 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00444; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:04 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908060727.AAA00444@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? To: ragnar@sysabend.org (Jamie Bowden) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jamie Bowden" at Aug 4, 99 03:37:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ ... ] > Yes, but did you expect fairings? See #1. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 0:50:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE4414EA9 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA82433; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:50:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Chris Piazza , Travis Cole , Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> <19990805145834.B46486@norn.ca.eu.org> <19990805200540.D58583@mad> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 06 Aug 1999 09:50:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek's message of "Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:05:40 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek writes: > No, and to the person who responded to this, no, the argument that > "readers of -chat are non-representative of younger people" does not > apply. All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a > bunch of phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should > stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through > toggle switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > languages. Interesting tidbit: CS Prof. Ole Johan Dahl (68), co-author of Simula (and thus co-inventor of OOP), formal methods buff, program correctness whiz, and logician extraordinaire, can't type. He uses what we call the Eagle Technique: circle around at high altitude until you spot your prey, then dive, take it by surprise, and climb back up before it can wiggle out of your grasp. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 0:55: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11B2151C9 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA297064; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:54:53 -0700 Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdf61eUa; Fri Aug 6 00:54:47 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01719; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:54:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908060754.AAA01719@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:54:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908050041.TAA36573@nospam.hiwaay.net> from "David Kelly" at Aug 4, 99 07:41:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Terry Lambert writes: > > > But I'd call Jordan "the fater of FreeBSD", if you had to single > > > anyone out... > > > > Sorry, "The Father of FreeBSD", lest anyone thing I was being an ass... > ^^^^^ > Were you fat-fingered again on *purpose*? :-) Aphasic dyslexia. You should see what I did with my memorization of identity tables for partial differential equations in math 452, until I retook it after the physics class that required the math as a prerequisite. Let us just say that without a reality check from which the math can be derived, there's no intrinsic reason to not "creatively" rearrange the symbols. Having learned my lesson, thereafter I always took the physics classes one quarter ahead of the course requirements for the math classes supposedly needed to do the physics. I think perhaps Andrew Jackson said it best: "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." (commonly misattributed to Mark Twain aka Samuel Clemens). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 1:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F08F15005 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19351; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd019345; Fri Aug 6 01:22:58 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02979; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:22:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908060822.BAA02979@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI To: vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca (Tim Vanderhoek) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: cpiazza@home.net, tcole@balsam.methow.com, hodeleri@seattleu.edu, dscheidt@enteract.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> from "Tim Vanderhoek" at Aug 5, 99 08:05:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:34PM -0700, Chris Piazza wrote: > > This I don't understand. Is it really true that younger people > > can't touch type very well? I've been able to touch type since > > No, and to the person who responded to this, no, the argument that > "readers of -chat are non-representative of younger people" does not > apply. All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a > bunch of phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should > stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through > toggle switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > languages. I learned to type on a manual typewriter in 1974, which was the last year man landed on the moon. I type an average of 132 words a minute on an IBM Selectric, or a computer keybard (I still have my manual; I can do 84 on it). I type slightly faster, if I'm writing prose, or taking dictation. Without fail, the most common comment I get when someone interupts me typing (it was a technical writer, yesterday) is "Gee, you're a fast typist". For comparison, one of the girls in my typing class typed around 185 words a minute (on a manual typewriter!) and compared to her speed, I always felt like a slug. I suspect that if she is still typing on computers today, she is probably only slightly less than twice as fast as I am. 8-(. For comparison purposes, words per minute translates directly to baud rate on an async serial line, e.g. 185 * 6 * 10 / 60 = 185 baud. Back in my "phogie" days, I used to overrun the buffers on 110 baud current loop equipment (e.g. VT52, TI Silent 700), unless I consciously paced myself down. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 1:27:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A91615005 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA303032; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:27:44 -0700 Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdu2b4Ma; Fri Aug 6 01:27:42 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03164; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:27:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908060827.BAA03164@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:27:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca, cpiazza@home.net, tcole@balsam.methow.com, hodeleri@seattleu.edu, dscheidt@enteract.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Aug 6, 99 09:50:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Interesting tidbit: CS Prof. Ole Johan Dahl (68), co-author of Simula > (and thus co-inventor of OOP), formal methods buff, program > correctness whiz, and logician extraordinaire, can't type. He uses > what we call the Eagle Technique: circle around at high altitude until > you spot your prey, then dive, take it by surprise, and climb back up > before it can wiggle out of your grasp. As an aside, Richard Stallman suffers so much from RSI, that he actually has to dictate to his graduate students, instead of typing himself. I blame emacs control sequences. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 2:17:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C194915591 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA04840; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:16:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA88589; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:34:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990806113452.62763@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:34:52 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Travis Cole Cc: Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <37A8FA2D.67D7BDB0@seattleu.edu> <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990805135002.A12157@wcug.wwu.edu>; from Travis Cole on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:50:02PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Travis Cole writes: > > No looking at the keyboard here and I'm only 20. Phil "haven't been looking at them plastic caps for 17 years" Regnauld, .25 century. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 6:23:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (D5843.DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.49.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58ADD15027 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00536; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:34:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Chris Piazza , Travis Cole , Eric Hodel , David Scheidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI In-Reply-To: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: | They should | stick to stories about being forced to program their Altairs through | toggle switches Toggle switches strengthen your concentration. | and how we have it so good these days with structured languages. You do. I'll bet you don't even realize how good you got it. I think everyone should try writing at least one program in Fortran and/or assembler. Btw, I'm only 21. :^D -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ -><- main(q){6-q&&main(q+1),putchar(67+3*(19%q-q/4));} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 7: 0:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DA514CF3 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA56339; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:59:36 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI Message-ID: <19990806065935.E56080@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <19990805200540.D58583@mad> <199908060133.VAA19432@smtp1.erols.com> <19990806020842.B60194@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990806020842.B60194@mad>; from Tim Vanderhoek on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 02:08:42AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 02:08:42AM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > I know some people who can't touch-type. They don't go to university. In > fact, even at best they're borderline on what is sometimes called "computer > literate". I can't touch-type. I went to university. In fact, some people even call me "computer literate". -- Matthew Hunt * UNIX is a lever for the http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * intellect. -J.R. Mashey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 8:21:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B00155E5 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp29.pm2a.wport.com [206.129.99.78]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PKDHW620; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:18:50 -0700 Message-ID: <37AAFD4F.3AFF2557@seattleu.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:20:47 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: W Gerald Hicks Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD cures RSI References: <199908060440.AAA08382@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > > All of this younger people can't type bullshit is mostly a bunch of > > phogies trying to feel good about themselves. They should stick to > > stories about being forced to program their Altairs through toggle > > switches and how we have it so good these days with structured > > languages. > > Bah, I had a paper tape reader on my ASR33 teletype. There was a > very small loader we entered through the front panel but the biggest > problem was avoiding inevitable tears of the tape. > > You weenie whippersnappers can handle electronics fine but let's see > you fix something with the mechanical complexity of a teletype, or > even change the oil in your (imported) car. Build your own big-block > Chevy musclecar? Forget it :P My parents only by American cars. Oil changes are just look for the bolt in the bottom of the oil pan, drain oil into receptacle, restore plug, remove oil-filter, replace, refil. As for mechanical devices, how about disassembling a Horse-drawn, rusted-beyond-all-hell corn binder? Maybe not as fancy as a teletype, but twice as tough to get apart. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "They cook your gonies" -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 16:34:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F362F14C3B for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18413.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.93]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08963; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA11511; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:34:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:34:31 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Terry Lambert Cc: David Kelly , eagle@phc.igs.net, grog@lemis.com, naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? Message-ID: <19990806193430.G11290@mad> References: <199908050041.TAA36573@nospam.hiwaay.net> <199908060754.AAA01719@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908060754.AAA01719@usr01.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 07:54:44AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 07:54:44AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Aphasic dyslexia. You should see what I did with my memorization > of identity tables for partial differential equations in math 452, Bah. Maybe, but not here. At 132+wpm, it's pretty easy to misspell something. I can hit max speeds of 100wpm on a good day. If I happen to cross thoughts at the wrong moment, whole words get substituted pretty quickly. I (and I imagine most people) merely type whatever word I happen to be thinking at the moment, which hopefully is related to the current subject-matter... Usually it's just a case of my thoughts skipping a few words. 180wpm on a manual typewriter is pretty damn fast. That's frighteningly close to typing as fast as I can read (which is unfortunately slow). -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 17:24:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E931C14D13 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 12368 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Aug 1999 00:24:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:24:32 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld Message-ID: <19990806172432.A12259@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just thought I'd drop everyone a note to let you that we have a fairly large booth planned for LinuxWorld this coming week. I think it will be a huge success as our visibility is going to be quite high. We've even got a tower with rotating FreeBSD/Daemon sign on top :) For all of you that have been itching for more stuff with the daemon and FreeBSD printed all over, we'll have a whole slew of new products including mouse pads, cd holders, beanie daemons, and bumperstickers available for the first time. This should be a great oppurtunity to talk to the Linux-centric crowd. Please stop by and say hi if you are at the show. We'll be in booth #1026. -Bill -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 18:31:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F416814DE3 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-213.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.213]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA09257; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:30:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37AB8C3A.5CFD7849@airnet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:30:34 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just who is Terry Lambert? References: <199908050041.TAA36573@nospam.hiwaay.net> <199908060754.AAA01719@usr01.primenet.com> <19990806193430.G11290@mad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 07:54:44AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Aphasic dyslexia. You should see what I did with my memorization > > of identity tables for partial differential equations in math 452, > > Bah. Maybe, but not here. At 132+wpm, it's pretty easy to misspell > something. I can hit max speeds of 100wpm on a good day. If I > happen to cross thoughts at the wrong moment, whole words get > substituted pretty quickly. I (and I imagine most people) merely > type whatever word I happen to be thinking at the moment, which > hopefully is related to the current subject-matter... Usually it's > just a case of my thoughts skipping a few words. > > 180wpm on a manual typewriter is pretty damn fast. That's > frighteningly close to typing as fast as I can read (which is > unfortunately slow). I hope you are considerate enough to distribute ear plugs first... -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 18:33:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wenet.net (pm3-5.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E893A14DE3; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by wenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03218; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Bill Swingle Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <19990806172432.A12259@dub.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > Just thought I'd drop everyone a note to let you that we have a fairly > large booth planned for LinuxWorld this coming week. I think it will be > a huge success as our visibility is going to be quite high. We've even > got a tower with rotating FreeBSD/Daemon sign on top :) And here I was all pleased with myself for attempting to get a daemon visible at the KDE booth. I think you've really outdone yourself, all that's needed now is a flashing neon sign (and of course some sort of auction so us mere mortals can get at some of these nifty things). :} - alex Experience something different With our new imported dolly She's lovely, warm, inflatable And we guarantee her joy - The Police To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 18:42:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB5514D4A for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from stade.demon.co.uk ([158.152.29.164]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CvTw-000DyZ-0K for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:41:08 +0000 Received: from mervyn.stade.co.uk (mervyn.stade.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by stade.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08421 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:48:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@mervyn.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by mervyn.stade.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01122 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:46:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:46:21 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Message-ID: <19990807004621.B1021@mervyn.stade.co.uk> Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:51:47AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Organization: Yes, I need some of that. X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:51:47AM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: On my current project, which involves rail travel and computers, we have: The Anoraks - the timetable and fares experts. The Geeks - the computer people. The Sad Bastards who are both (8-) -- Adrian Wontroba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 6 19:52:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from achilles.gibralter.net (achilles.gibralter.net [216.48.24.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A5E15697; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hal@achilles.gibralter.net) Received: from localhost (hal@localhost) by achilles.gibralter.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00301; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hal@achilles.gibralter.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Hal Flynn To: Bill Swingle Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <19990806172432.A12259@dub.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Out of curiousity, how are you "bannerizing" your booth, Bill? I'll admit that when I started using FreeBSD, I was from a Linux and SysV background, and therefore not knowing what to expect (other than that fact that a fellow SA at work swore by it). Label me crazy and write me off (as most other allegedly sane people have), but I think that something to the affect of "FreeBSD, the next level" would draw a little attention. True, not as much as scantily clad females, but somehow reaching into the attention span long enough to draw an audience. On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > Just thought I'd drop everyone a note to let you that we have a fairly --clip-- > -Bill > > -- > -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com > -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 7 9:25: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69FF14DC1; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id BAA13758; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:24:21 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37AC5D90.C234E310@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:23:44 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zepeda Cc: Bill Swingle , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Zepeda wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > > > Just thought I'd drop everyone a note to let you that we have a fairly > > large booth planned for LinuxWorld this coming week. I think it will be > > a huge success as our visibility is going to be quite high. We've even > > got a tower with rotating FreeBSD/Daemon sign on top :) > > And here I was all pleased with myself for attempting to get a daemon > visible at the KDE booth. I think you've really outdone yourself, all > that's needed now is a flashing neon sign (and of course some sort of > auction so us mere mortals can get at some of these nifty things). :} Any RPG players wanting to know a story that made me roflol when I read the msg above, contact me in private. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org - Jordan, God, what's the difference? - God doesn't belong to the -core. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message