From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 2: 0: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEDE151D9 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21679 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991010025216.00d22db0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:59:00 -0600 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Room to share for FreeBSDCon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After despairing of being able to find a good deal, I've managed to get a very good rate -- better than the conference rate! -- on a room at the Radisson for FreeBSDCon. It's a double room, which I've reserved from the 16th through the 21st, and I'd be delighted to share. Interested? Please e-mail. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 13: 8:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B3A15932; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 360B01C29; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319443817; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Peter Wemm Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c In-Reply-To: <19991010140611.25BDA1CC8@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > I'm talking with Matthew Dodd (aka winter) and Doug about the mechanics of > doing this. I want this working prior to freebsdcon. On a side note: I'm thinking of bringing my Dell docking station for general use in the terminal room. Why? Because I run -CURRENT on my laptop and niether the modem or NIC work on it, it's an island w/o the docking station. Good idea? Would this be helpful for anyone but me? -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 15: 4:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF8414FB7 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA35434; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:01:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199910102201.AAA35434@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c In-Reply-To: from Bill Fumerola at "Oct 10, 1999 03:11:13 pm" To: billf@jade.chc-chimes.com (Bill Fumerola) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > I'm talking with Matthew Dodd (aka winter) and Doug about the mechanics of > > doing this. I want this working prior to freebsdcon. > > On a side note: I'm thinking of bringing my Dell docking station for > general use in the terminal room. Why? Because I run -CURRENT on my > laptop and niether the modem or NIC work on it, it's an island w/o > the docking station. > > Good idea? Would this be helpful for anyone but me? Might be, I havn't decided yet if I bring mine, but this will be taken into account :) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 17:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9818315A68 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA23184; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:11:35 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:11:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c Message-ID: <19991011101135.F78191@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991010140611.25BDA1CC8@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 10 October 1999 at 15:11:13 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > >> I'm talking with Matthew Dodd (aka winter) and Doug about the mechanics of >> doing this. I want this working prior to freebsdcon. > > On a side note: I'm thinking of bringing my Dell docking station for > general use in the terminal room. Why? Because I run -CURRENT on my > laptop and niether the modem or NIC work on it, it's an island w/o > the docking station. > > Good idea? Would this be helpful for anyone but me? Maybe. What kind of Dell? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 17:54:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A57155FD for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 49C6C1C23; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466FC3817; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Greg Lehey Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c In-Reply-To: <19991011101135.F78191@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Good idea? Would this be helpful for anyone but me? > > Maybe. What kind of Dell? Latitude. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 10 18:26:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924A714CFA for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA23461; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:53:46 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:53:46 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Docking stations (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c) Message-ID: <19991011105346.I78191@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991011101135.F78191@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 10 October 1999 at 19:58:00 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> Good idea? Would this be helpful for anyone but me? >> >> Maybe. What kind of Dell? > > Latitude. Well, I'm still in the running, but you need to be more specific than that. I'm pretty sure the Latitude series had more than one docking station. Mine's a CPi, for example. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 8:31:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6C015199 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D7DCC1C23; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B313817; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Greg Lehey Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Docking stations (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c) In-Reply-To: <19991011105346.I78191@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > Well, I'm still in the running, but you need to be more specific than > that. I'm pretty sure the Latitude series had more than one docking > station. Mine's a CPi, for example. Ironically, I put a square 'Powered by FreeBSD' sticker over the plate that says what model it is. [.. some time passes ..] The docking station is a C Dock II, and several laptops around the office (CP, CPi) all work in it. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 16:50:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from math.berkeley.edu (yuban-fddi.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C590814C84 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16905; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <199910112348.QAA16905@math.berkeley.edu> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: odd goods Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > X-Lib-of-Cong-ISSN: 1098-7649 -=[ Fun_People ]=- > X-http://www.langston.com/psl-bin/Fun_People.cgi > Forwarded-by: Nev Dull > Forwarded-by: Ann Benninger > Forwarded-by: David Powell > > The software engineering field is staffed primarily by men; the ratio of > male to female software engineers is on the order of 15 to 1. This makes > it pretty easy for women to find potential mates among their peers. > However, software types have a well-earned reputation for being... a little > strange. > > While discussing the prospect of working in the software industry, one woman > commented to another: > > "The odds are good, but the goods are odd." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 17: 6: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9797814A03 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA31471; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:33:25 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:33:25 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Docking stations (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c) Message-ID: <19991012093325.G78191@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991011105346.I78191@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 11 October 1999 at 10:34:53 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Well, I'm still in the running, but you need to be more specific than >> that. I'm pretty sure the Latitude series had more than one docking >> station. Mine's a CPi, for example. > > Ironically, I put a square 'Powered by FreeBSD' sticker over the plate > that says what model it is. > > [.. some time passes ..] > > The docking station is a C Dock II, and several laptops around the > office (CP, CPi) all work in it. Good. BTW, you know that you shouldn't hot plug the docking station? It's supposed to be hot pluggable, but the capacitors in the laptop draw so much surge current that they tend to burn out the connectors. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 17:18:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00C14A2C for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 86BBD1C29; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F613817; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Greg Lehey Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Docking stations (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c) In-Reply-To: <19991012093325.G78191@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > Good. BTW, you know that you shouldn't hot plug the docking station? > It's supposed to be hot pluggable, but the capacitors in the laptop > draw so much surge current that they tend to burn out the connectors. I try not to do anything funky with my laptop. So many combinations don't work I just end up shutting everything down before I do any insertion/removal. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 20:57:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8438514FBB for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-218.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.218]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA06285; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:57:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3802B18A.45A8FB82@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:56:58 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randell Jesup Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CAM-ification - documentation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Randell Jesup wrote: > Ick. Polling == bad. Interrupts == good. This isn't a single- > tasking OS ala Win9x. This goes double for SCSI drivers, which are > inherently async and overlapped. Does that mean polling == ungood++? (Woah, Orwell was actually ahead of Ritchie? Or was Ritchie punning?) -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 11 22: 0:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E2F15341 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09675; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991011225435.0468dd60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:57:14 -0600 To: Bill Fumerola , Greg Lehey From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Docking stations (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sio sio.c) Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19991012093325.G78191@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:21 PM 10/11/99 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: >I try not to do anything funky with my laptop. So many combinations >don't work I just end up shutting everything down before I do any >insertion/removal. Even under Windows -- which is supposed to support hot docking -- this is wise. Strange errors begin to occur if I hot dock my IBM ThinkPad, or even dock it while suspended. This happens with all versions of Windows AND with UNIX. It's a shame they can't make this work. There's one kind of docking station, however, that probably WILL work: the kind that attaches via a PCMCIA slot. All the outboard peripherals just appear and disappear at once. I understand that some of these are available for Compaqs. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 12 8:45:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B214E35 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22041; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:45:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Looking through a cat's eyes From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 12 Oct 1999 17:45:42 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan, this is just the gadget for you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_471000/471786.stm DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 12 10:11:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6972B15AA6 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: from misha.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA40347 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:11:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Message-ID: <38036BB9.DEE50229@misha.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:11:21 -0400 From: Mikhail Teterin Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [ru] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: uk, ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: "Linux Myths" by Microsoft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 13 4:51:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9796D14BEA; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!yormungandr.demos.su!mishania@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id PAA07657; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:44 +0400 Received: from yormungandr.demos.su by sinbin.demos.su with ESMTP id PAA33636; (8.6.12/D) Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:22 +0400 Received: (from mishania@localhost) by yormungandr.demos.su (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA36036; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:21 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from mishania) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:21 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: nnd@mail.nsk.ru Cc: doc@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: =?koi8-r?B?8M/Nz8fJ1MU=?= Message-ID: <19991013155021.A35949@demos.su> References: <19991013130911.A613@scorpion.crimea.ua> <199910131127.SAA00326@wint.itfs.nsk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199910131127.SAA00326@wint.itfs.nsk.su>; from nnd@mail.nsk.ru on Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 06:27:08PM +0700 X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cc: to -chat added. On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 06:27:08PM +0700, nnd@mail.nsk.ru wrote: # In <19991013130911.A613@scorpion.crimea.ua> Alexey Zelkin wrote: # > hi, # > # > This is english maillist. Send russian messages to Russian Doc Maillist # > . Thank you! # # Let's suppose that I "send russian message to Russian Doc Maillist". # But can I subscribe to this maillist or ? (I've already try to subscribe # through 'majordomo@freebsd.ru', but this is 'unknown user account' on # freebsd.ru ;-) Actually, there's no real way to guess it, you know :) Please see http://freebsd.ru:8100/ for web interface to either mailing lists themselves or the subscription information. It's just the project is only starting to do it's first steps, that is the reason this information isn't available publically yet, sorry. # N.Dudorov -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 13 17:47:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mw4.texas.net (mw4.texas.net [206.127.30.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488E114FB3 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsnow@lgc.com) Received: from basil.dympna.COM (tcnet04-004.sat.texas.net [209.99.118.193]) by mw4.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with ESMTP id TAA10470 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lgc.com (IDENT:rsnow@turbo [134.132.228.6]) by basil.dympna.COM (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18732 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:47:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rsnow@lgc.com) Message-ID: <38052822.71AB91DA@lgc.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:47:30 -0500 From: Rob Snow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: VINUM or Striping on NFS mounts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone ever tried this or anything similar? -Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 13 17:53:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C307E1513C for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA89146; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:23:06 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:23:05 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Rob Snow Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VINUM or Striping on NFS mounts? Message-ID: <19991014102305.Q78191@freebie.lemis.com> References: <38052822.71AB91DA@lgc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <38052822.71AB91DA@lgc.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 13 October 1999 at 19:47:30 -0500, Rob Snow wrote: > Anyone ever tried this or anything similar? I don't know what you mean. Especially "Vinum *or* striping". Didn't you mean to send this to -questions? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 13 17:57:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lgchexch001.lgc.com (lgchexch001.lgc.com [134.132.92.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7126C1513C for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RSnow@lgc.com) Received: by lgchexch001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4MA65ZXF>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <9F147E391A3FD111B9A800805F356C52E25727@lgcadev001.zycor.lgc.com> From: Rob Snow To: Greg Lehey , Rob Snow Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: VINUM or Striping on NFS mounts? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops, Let me clear this up. Is it possible, with FreeBSD, or other OS to setup a stripe set that utilizes NFS mounted disk as the underlying storage medium? ( network striping? ) Didn't think it was really appropriate for questions, as it's not, necessairly, a FreeBSD question. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@lemis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 7:53 PM To: Rob Snow Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VINUM or Striping on NFS mounts? On Wednesday, 13 October 1999 at 19:47:30 -0500, Rob Snow wrote: > Anyone ever tried this or anything similar? I don't know what you mean. Especially "Vinum *or* striping". Didn't you mean to send this to -questions? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 13 23:28:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B9F14F50 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA41295 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:28:15 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: October San Francisco BAFUG Meeting Message-ID: <19991013232815.B41273@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- San Francisco BAFUG -- (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) October 1999 Meeting The San Francisco chapter of the Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group (BAFUG) will be holding it's monthly meeting on Thursday, October 14th. This months meeting will be held at Whistle's corp. office in Foster City. The meeting will start at 7:30 pm. Agenda : ==> There is nor schulded speaker for this meeting. ==> Josef Grosch and Nicole Harrington will talk about talk they are planing on giving at the upcoming FreeBSDCon. ==> Due to a conflict with the FreeBSDcon there will be not Install-A-THon this month. ==> Pizza and Soda will be ordered and the hat will be passed `round ==> Of course, we will have the usually kvetchen about sundry topics Location : This months meeting will be held at Whistle Communications. Whistle is located at 110 Marsh Dr. in Foster City. There is plenty parking in their lot. Time : The meeting starts at 7:30ish with pizza showing up around 7:15ish. We generally get kicked out around 11:00 pm. Directions : By CalTrain : Exit at the downtown San Mateo station, and walk several miles east on Third Avenue to the Marsh Drive intersection. Alternatively, exit at the Bay Meadows station and take the SanTrans Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus to the Bridgepoint Shopping Center stop and walk 1/4 mile north on Mariner's Island Blvd. to Third Avenue, turning right one block to Marsh Drive. By SamTrans : The Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus line's Bridgepoint Shopping Center terminus is a few blocks from Whistle Communications. By Car : From the South Bay and Peninsula : Take 101 North towards San Francisco, From US-101 northbound, take CA-92 eastbound a mile to the Foster City Blvd., turning left (east) at the end of the ramp onto Metro Center Blvd. Go about a block and turn left (north-east) onto Foster City Blvd. Go about five blocks to the street's end, turning left (north) onto Third Avenue. Go about a block to turn left (west) at the first traffic light, onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. From the East Bay : From CA-92/Hayward, cross the San Mateo Bridge and take the first exit Foster City Blvd., curving right at the end of the ramp to a left (nort-east) turn onto Foster City Blvd. Then process as described above for US-101 northbound. From the North Bay and San Francisco : From US-101 southbound, exit eastbound onto Third Avenue proceeding several miles, past the Mariner's Island Blvd. intersection, to turn right (west) onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. WWW info : More info can be found at the following URLs Whistle Communications - http://www.whistle.com BAFUG - http://www.bafug.org Contact : Please contact either Nicole Harrington or Josef Grosch on or before October 14th so we can have a basic idea of how much pizza, soda, and coffee we will need. -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 4:45:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0712514CCC for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 10356 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 11:45:05 -0000 Received: from userbi48.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.143.112) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 11:45:05 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id MAA00770 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:44:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:44:42 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: From the movies.... Message-ID: <19991014124442.C328@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was watching the James Bond file Tomorrow Never Dies last night and this exchange between the villain, Carver, and one of his gophers made me grin: Carver: "Mr Gupta, is our new software ready for release yet?" Gupta: "Yes Sir, and as instructed it is full of bugs. People will be paying for upgrades for years" Who said real life is not like in the movies? Is this a candidate for the fortune database? It also reminded me of the tag-line that someone used to use in these lists: Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 8:51:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns.binep.ac.ru (ns.binep.ac.ru [193.233.37.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488114E41 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Received: from serv2.binep.ac.ru (serv2 [193.233.44.77]) by ns.binep.ac.ru (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA40865; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:52:21 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Reply-To: "Igor B. Bykhalo" From: "Igor B. Bykhalo" To: "Mark Ovens" , Subject: Re: From the movies.... Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:45:03 +0300 Message-ID: <01bf1663$762e9180$0000e9c1@serv2.binep.ac.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0913.2206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0913.2200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Carver: "Mr Gupta, is our new software ready for release yet?" > >Gupta: "Yes Sir, and as instructed it is full of bugs. > People will be paying for upgrades for years" > >Who said real life is not like in the movies? > Yep... hehe... and i wonder is Umang Gupta [1] going to do some bobo to these moviemakers 8-)... or? [1] Founder and former CEO of Gupta Technologies (now Centura software), now CEO and chairman of Keynote Systems. Regards, Goshik _____________________________________________________ Windows 2001: "Sorry, pal, i just can't do this" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 10:34:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174C8157D9 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id TAA12965 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:34:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 3488B878D; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:30:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:30:58 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: From the movies.... Message-ID: <19991014193058.A71308@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <19991014124442.C328@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991014124442.C328@marder-1> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Mark Ovens: > Who said real life is not like in the movies? When I saw the movie, part of the audience laughed at that scene and the rest wondered about what was so funny... :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #74: Thu Sep 9 00:20:51 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 13:19:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us (taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us [165.29.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A83F14D40 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erickw@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us) Received: from localhost (erickw@localhost) by taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us (8.9.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04038; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:24:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:24:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Erick White To: Jonnie Coffman Cc: ccates@polaris.northark.cc.ar.us, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: From the movies.... (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Didn't you know it. Bill gates is the villian that is in tomorrow never dies... come on guys keep up with the times. Your Friend: Erick On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Jonnie Coffman wrote: > > This one is chock full of stuff that I found funny. > > Jonnie > > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ > | Jonnie Coffman, KC5JFS ICQ: 5241183 | > | http://www.alltel.net/~kc5jfs http://www.mp3.com/neuromancer | > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:44:42 +0100 > From: Mark Ovens > To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: From the movies.... > > I was watching the James Bond file Tomorrow Never Dies last night > and this exchange between the villain, Carver, and one of his > gophers made me grin: > > Carver: "Mr Gupta, is our new software ready for release yet?" > > Gupta: "Yes Sir, and as instructed it is full of bugs. > People will be paying for upgrades for years" > > Who said real life is not like in the movies? > > Is this a candidate for the fortune database? > > It also reminded me of the tag-line that someone used to use in > these lists: > > Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain > in a James Bond movie > -- Dennis Miller > > -- > STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. > OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. > ________________________________________________________________ > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 15:46:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E45115271 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA44550 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:46:21 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Headcount for tonights BAFUG meeting Message-ID: <19991014154621.A44535@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heads up! I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to get. If you could respond by Thursday Noon it would be very helpful. Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 20:15:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4438014C05 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01981; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:17:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199910150317.XAA01981@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: From the movies.... In-Reply-To: <19991014124442.C328@marder-1> from Mark Ovens at "Oct 14, 1999 12:44:42 pm" To: mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Mark Ovens) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote, > I was watching the James Bond file Tomorrow Never Dies last night > and this exchange between the villain, Carver, and one of his > gophers made me grin: > > Carver: "Mr Gupta, is our new software ready for release yet?" > > Gupta: "Yes Sir, and as instructed it is full of bugs. > People will be paying for upgrades for years" > > Who said real life is not like in the movies? > > Is this a candidate for the fortune database? > > It also reminded me of the tag-line that someone used to use in > these lists: > > Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain > in a James Bond movie > -- Dennis Miller Well, the last time I saw that tag line was when we discussed that _exact_ same quote from the same movie about 4 months ago... (see the thread with subject 'sar' from June). When the conversation comes full-circle on -chat I guess it's time to move on? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 20:18:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279C714C05 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:18:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00891 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:18:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: keyboards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Silly question, but seeing as I like my old non-Windows keyboard, and the only thing that seems to go wrong with them is that the keycap labelling rubs off, does anyone know a method of relabelling keycaps? I don't want to change any labels, just stick the 'e' printing back in place on top of the 'e' key. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 21:33:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0794114BCE for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 14960 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1999 04:33:15 -0000 Received: from useral93.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.134.166) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 04:33:15 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id FAA00450; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:33:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:33:12 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: cjclark@home.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: From the movies.... Message-ID: <19991015053312.A316@marder-1> References: <19991014124442.C328@marder-1> <199910150317.XAA01981@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199910150317.XAA01981@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 11:17:10PM -0400, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote, > > I was watching the James Bond file Tomorrow Never Dies last night > > and this exchange between the villain, Carver, and one of his > > gophers made me grin: > > > > Carver: "Mr Gupta, is our new software ready for release yet?" > > > > Gupta: "Yes Sir, and as instructed it is full of bugs. > > People will be paying for upgrades for years" > > > > Who said real life is not like in the movies? > > > > Is this a candidate for the fortune database? > > > > It also reminded me of the tag-line that someone used to use in > > these lists: > > > > Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain > > in a James Bond movie > > -- Dennis Miller > > Well, the last time I saw that tag line was when we discussed that > _exact_ same quote from the same movie about 4 months ago... (see the > thread with subject 'sar' from June). > I just checked it out in the archives. You are correct, it was discussed, but the actual lines from the film weren't quoted (and I hadn't seen the film then anyway :) ). > When the conversation comes full-circle on -chat I guess it's time to > move on? > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 14 22:47:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EBA14F00 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA43197; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:43:30 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:43:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: keyboards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: >Silly question, but seeing as I like my old non-Windows keyboard, and the >only thing that seems to go wrong with them is that the keycap labelling >rubs off, does anyone know a method of relabelling keycaps? > >I don't want to change any labels, just stick the 'e' printing back in >place on top of the 'e' key. You might try getting the press on lettering that is probably available at radio shack. Its not stickers, its a pressure transfer thingy. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells Jason Wells | "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither | freedom nor security." - Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 15 0: 1: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4094C14D2B; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20042; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Bill Swingle Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32 bits In-Reply-To: <19991014234000.A91104@dub.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Oct 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 03:15:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > On the cover of FreeBSD 3.3: > > > > "A full 4.4 BSD lite based 32-bit operating system" > > ^^^^^^ > > > > Give our present support to the alpha platform, that's not entirely > > correct anymore, is it? > > Given that there are NO alpha bits on that disc at all I don't think > it's a big deal :) It's really a 43 bit operation system... :) *hands the mic to msmith* -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 15 0:37:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8765714C83 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gryph@mindless.com) Received: from mindless.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01206; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3806D99D.B53F9E94@mindless.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:37:01 -0700 From: "D.M.P." Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: keyboards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > > >Silly question, but seeing as I like my old non-Windows keyboard, and the > >only thing that seems to go wrong with them is that the keycap labelling > >rubs off, does anyone know a method of relabelling keycaps? > > > >I don't want to change any labels, just stick the 'e' printing back in > >place on top of the 'e' key. > > You might try getting the press on lettering that is probably available at > radio shack. Its not stickers, its a pressure transfer thingy. Then paint the top of the keycap with a clear substance with a solvent base capable of marring ABS plastic (such as nail polish). -- "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind." -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 15 6:55:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A8D151CD for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se) Received: from speedy.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.164]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28391; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:55:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199910151355.OAA28391@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Rob Snow Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VINUM or Striping on NFS mounts? In-Reply-To: Message from Rob Snow of "Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:57:51 CDT." <9F147E391A3FD111B9A800805F356C52E25727@lgcadev001.zycor.lgc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:55:12 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is it possible, with FreeBSD, or other OS to setup a stripe set that > utilizes NFS mounted disk as the underlying storage medium? ( network > striping? ) Yes, (On NetBSD, maybe it works on FreeBSD to now). Make files on the NFS server, make devices of them with vnconfig, stripe with ccd. We did only tried to do it, we never used it for anyting. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 15 19: 4:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B61214BDE for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA49036 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:00:12 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:00:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Linux Bah! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, now I can say that I have used Linux. Redhat to be precise. Woop. For starters, I like sysinstall better than whatever Redhat calls their installer. I don't like that Redhat presumes you want X and forty different window managers. FreeBSDs granularity on its "preselected" install distributions is much more sane, giving options for sources and kernel sources. I now know how to patch sources too. :) I never learned this in three years of using combinations of -stable and -current. This should be considered a compliment. :) Once a box is up and configured with no more than daily maintenance going on, I feel right at home. Yeah, I grew up on FreeBSD so maybe I am not being fair. I can say this, I like Linux better than Irix so far. One thing! Runlevels suck the bleep out of bleeping donkey's big fat bleep. chkconfig can blow me. Please let FreeBSD _never_ use runlevels. Single user mode from boot is good enough. I know how to kill 1 if I have to. All that other crap is admin nightmare afaiac. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells Jason Wells | "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither | freedom nor security." - Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 2:55:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop04.iname.net (pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672001543D for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmurphy@earthling.net) Received: from earthling.net (dialin164.toronto.globalserve.net [209.90.130.164]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11617 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38084BA7.743F0D9F@earthling.net> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:55:51 -0400 From: Paul Murphy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat Subject: An article from Microsoft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This article is from the Microsoft NT Server Web site. http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/news/msnw/linuxmyths.asp -- pmurphy@earthling.net http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/1913/ "I am not going to be happy until my living room looks like NORAD" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 10:25:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt050n71.san.rr.com (dt050n71.san.rr.com [204.210.31.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFEC1513B for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt050n71.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA66427; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3808B4FF.B1E28397@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:25:19 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0927 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: keyboards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey wrote: > > Silly question, but seeing as I like my old non-Windows keyboard, and the > only thing that seems to go wrong with them is that the keycap labelling > rubs off, does anyone know a method of relabelling keycaps? Who needs labels? :) You can probably find a set of labels specifically for this purpose at a store like Office Depot or Staples. They make kits for people who like to do Dvorak, and other such fancy stuff. Good luck, Doug -- "Stop it, I'm gettin' misty." - Mel Gibson as Porter, "Payback" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 13:12:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D2115495 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11767; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:12:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:12:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Doug Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: keyboards In-Reply-To: <3808B4FF.B1E28397@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Doug wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > > > Silly question, but seeing as I like my old non-Windows keyboard, and the > > only thing that seems to go wrong with them is that the keycap labelling > > rubs off, does anyone know a method of relabelling keycaps? > > Who needs labels? :) You can probably find a set of labels specifically > for this purpose at a store like Office Depot or Staples. They make kits > for people who like to do Dvorak, and other such fancy stuff. Huh. Never thought of that, ok, I'll go try it. A friend of mine, a Windows type, was showing me a 8 1/2 X 11 (on glossy) blowup he done, using his HP scanner, of a picture a friend gave him (a little 2X3) and the big blowup was astonishing in quality. I may go see what more up to date printers are out there, too. He had a Canon BJC something-or-other. Office Depot has a nice selection of those guys, if I can just avoid the Windows printers (the kind with no internal brains). > > Good luck, > > Doug > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 13:31:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD3E154A6 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA56194; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:31:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:31:48 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Linux Bah! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jason C. Wells wrote: > One thing! Runlevels suck the bleep out of bleeping donkey's big fat > bleep. chkconfig can blow me. Please let FreeBSD _never_ use runlevels. I like runlevels. Really, I do. They let you seperate the applications a machine runs from the machine in much neater manner. It is very nice to be able to boot a machine into runlevel 2 and know that application isn't going to start, but you will be able to get in to do maintance. j Daivd Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 14:39:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4B915537 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrn@zeta.org.au) Received: from ska.bsn (beefcake.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.12]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00817; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:42:02 +1000 Received: (from andy@localhost) by ska.bsn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31026; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:53:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andy) Message-ID: <19991017075357.A24767@ska.bsn> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:53:57 +1000 From: Andy Newman To: Chuck Robey , Doug Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: keyboards References: <3808B4FF.B1E28397@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 04:12:29PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey wrote: > Windows type, was showing me a 8 1/2 X 11 (on glossy) blowup he done, > using his HP scanner, of a picture a friend gave him (a little 2X3) and > the big blowup was astonishing in quality. I may go see what more up to > date printers are out there, too. He had a Canon BJC something-or-other. > Office Depot has a nice selection of those guys, if I can just avoid the > Windows printers (the kind with no internal brains). The modern ink/bubble-jet style printers, with special media, provide very good results (and it will get better). However a *lot* of work is done in the driver and most manufacturers do not document the interface to the actual printer or provide sufficient documentation for the creation of drivers that achieve the quality you're seeing. For Canon printers on platforms other than Windows or the Mac you won't get the results you're seeing, the details are not available to allow construction of good drivers. The driver needs to be aware of the type of ink in the printer, the paper/ media in use, etc... as it all affects the actual amount and placement of the ink required to get good looking results (it's all very complicated ;-) I work for Canon in R&D and have spent time in the color printing area over the years and know a little bit about this ;) (now no longer true BTW, I work in other areas but I'm still associated with a lot of those who do printer work). -- Andy Newman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 15:47:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEDF14C4A for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12060; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Andy Newman Cc: Doug , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: keyboards In-Reply-To: <19991017075357.A24767@ska.bsn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Andy Newman wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > Windows type, was showing me a 8 1/2 X 11 (on glossy) blowup he done, > > using his HP scanner, of a picture a friend gave him (a little 2X3) and > > the big blowup was astonishing in quality. I may go see what more up to > > date printers are out there, too. He had a Canon BJC something-or-other. > > Office Depot has a nice selection of those guys, if I can just avoid the > > Windows printers (the kind with no internal brains). > > The modern ink/bubble-jet style printers, with special media, provide > very good results (and it will get better). However a *lot* of work is > done in the driver and most manufacturers do not document the interface > to the actual printer or provide sufficient documentation for the creation > of drivers that achieve the quality you're seeing. For Canon printers on > platforms other than Windows or the Mac you won't get the results you're > seeing, the details are not available to allow construction of good drivers. > The driver needs to be aware of the type of ink in the printer, the paper/ > media in use, etc... as it all affects the actual amount and placement of > the ink required to get good looking results (it's all very complicated ;-) > I work for Canon in R&D and have spent time in the color printing area over > the years and know a little bit about this ;) (now no longer true BTW, > I work in other areas but I'm still associated with a lot of those who > do printer work). Oh really (can you hear my interest perking up?) Good, because the pic that my friend showed me was nothing short of incredible in detail. The only point on this hugely blown up thing where individual dots could be discerned was in the area where a slightly off-white was being produced by dithering; over than that, it could *easily* be taken for a photograph, with only continuous shading. I want to know which Canon model *ISN'T* one of those Windows things with the brains in the driver only ... I'm looking for a Canon model that's well supported by one of the ghostscript drivers. Do all FreeBSD'ers in general a favor and put this information in the mail archives! > > -- > Andy Newman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 17:23:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B69E14C8E for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-15-130.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.15.130]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA30487; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:23:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16286; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:23:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199910170023.TAA16286@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: Chuck Robey Cc: Andy Newman , Doug , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: keyboards In-reply-to: Message from Chuck Robey of "Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:47:21 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:23:27 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey writes: > I want to know which Canon model *ISN'T* one of those Windows things with > the brains in the driver only ... I'm looking for a Canon model that's > well supported by one of the ghostscript drivers. Do all FreeBSD'ers in > general a favor and put this information in the mail archives! We'll know Unix has come of its majority in the desktop market when/if Canon/HP/etc provide drivers or otherwise document their WinProducts (WinModems, WinPrinters, ...) As a result, I don't buy these products. Even for a WinNT application. Almost completely off topic: Noticed HP-2500CM is an ethernet/PostScript/ color/inkjet printer. Only $1500 or so. I really want a digital camera, but don't really have a good justification, or even time to play with it. But am awfully tempted to by a Kodak simply because Kodak posts the nitty gritty details on their web site in PDF format. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 18:31:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C0D14C90 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a016.otenet.gr [195.167.115.16]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA26102 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 04:31:25 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 640 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Oct 1999 14:25:57 -0000 To: Paul Murphy Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: An article from Microsoft References: <38084BA7.743F0D9F@earthling.net> From: d e a t h Date: 16 Oct 1999 17:25:57 +0300 In-Reply-To: Paul Murphy's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:55:51 -0400" Message-ID: <86vh87z8ju.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Murphy writes: > This article is from the Microsoft NT Server Web site. > http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/news/msnw/linuxmyths.asp And a well thought out article it is. One of the first articles in which MS actually agrees that linux is good for some work. However, the reply to this in is rather interesting too. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "That field hath eyen, and the wood hath ears." [Geoffrey Chaucer, 1328-1400] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 20:29:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976F14CD0 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05252 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991016212600.043987f0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:28:56 -0600 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Dim Sum Sunday? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone interested in going for Dim Sum before Kirk's class on Sunday? If you haven't tried this style of Chinese food -- which consists of many small, appetizer-like portions of interesting dishes served from carts -- it's not to be missed. Departing from the Radisson at 10:30 and will be back in time for the class. E-mail for info. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 16 21: 0:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B006914D39 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12612; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:00:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: David Kelly Cc: Andy Newman , Doug , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: keyboards In-Reply-To: <199910170023.TAA16286@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, David Kelly wrote: > Chuck Robey writes: > > I want to know which Canon model *ISN'T* one of those Windows things with > > the brains in the driver only ... I'm looking for a Canon model that's > > well supported by one of the ghostscript drivers. Do all FreeBSD'ers in > > general a favor and put this information in the mail archives! > > We'll know Unix has come of its majority in the desktop market when/if > Canon/HP/etc provide drivers or otherwise document their WinProducts > (WinModems, WinPrinters, ...) > > As a result, I don't buy these products. Even for a WinNT application. > > Almost completely off topic: Noticed HP-2500CM is an ethernet/PostScript/ > color/inkjet printer. Only $1500 or so. Off topic, and it's also a *really* bad investment, unless the printer itself happens to be great (like if it was 2000 dpi, something like that). I used to have a printer myself that had an internal postscript interpreter, so that (1) it took 3 times longer to download files (they down load faster as PCL or some printer's native language) and they had to ability to use new updated postscript interpreters as they become available. I can update ghostscript *very* easily, it downloads stuff to my printer qery quickly, it gives me a 1/4 of the problems that the printer-based interpreter gave me (postscript error pages instead of printed output). A postscript printer is a bad deal. > > I really want a digital camera, but don't really have a good > justification, or even time to play with it. But am awfully tempted to > by a Kodak simply because Kodak posts the nitty gritty details on their > web site in PDF format. > > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message