From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 29 12:40:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747B0153A5 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA23114 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:39:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: small@freebsd.org Subject: md - memory disk wishlist ? From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:39:56 +0100 Message-ID: <23112.943907996@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi gang, I'm looking for input from this crowd: what features do you want to see from the md driver ? Currently it supports two modes of operation: 1. Preloaded images. This is like MFS_ROOT basically, but you can muliple images and get multiple devices. 2. Malloc mode. Here storage is malloc(9)'ed on as needed basis and freed back when possible (with UFS for instance). Simple compression is performed: if a sector have all bytes identical no storage will be alocated, only that byte value will be stored. I would like to hear from the embedded people what you need from a memory device driver in FreeBSD in the future. Shoot away! :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 29 14: 0:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D784414E00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from golding@halcyon.com) Received: from king.halcyon.com (golding@king.halcyon.com [206.63.63.10]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28137; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from golding@localhost) by king.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24801; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: Kim and Chet Golding To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: md - memory disk wishlist ? In-Reply-To: <23112.943907996@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Great Question! 1. Mirror or Raid mode would be very cool. 2. A cluster hook of some sort would be super if you had multiple systems and could config/treat a memory disk as a single unit and let the unit take care of passing updates to another system. (Maybe on boot this could reload itself from another systems md based on a switch-file or test-condition script in /etc... or after network was up.. failing over to something in /etc/defaults if network is unreachable..) 3. Snap effect... Something like a .bak but with versions say up to 16 working in a lifo manner. Would be good for some situations. Giving you a version cache device for sql tables or floppy build versions. Chet On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I'm looking for input from this crowd: what features do you want to > see from the md driver ? > > Currently it supports two modes of operation: > > 1. Preloaded images. This is like MFS_ROOT basically, > but you can muliple images and get multiple devices. > > 2. Malloc mode. Here storage is malloc(9)'ed on as needed > basis and freed back when possible (with UFS for instance). > Simple compression is performed: if a sector have all bytes > identical no storage will be alocated, only that byte value > will be stored. > > I would like to hear from the embedded people what you need from a > memory device driver in FreeBSD in the future. > > Shoot away! :-) > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 29 14: 9:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8114914E58 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA23782; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:08:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Kim and Chet Golding Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: md - memory disk wishlist ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:19 PST." Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:08:53 +0100 Message-ID: <23780.943913333@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Kim and Chet Golding writes: > >Great Question! > >1. Mirror or Raid mode would be very cool. For a memory disk ? >2. A cluster hook of some sort would be super if you had multiple systems >and could config/treat a memory disk as a single unit and let the unit >take care of passing updates to another system. (Maybe on boot this >could reload itself from another systems md based on a switch-file or >test-condition script in /etc... or after network was up.. failing over >to something in /etc/defaults if network is unreachable..) Uhm. This is a network filesystem, isn't it ? >3. Snap effect... Something like a .bak but with versions say up to 16 >working in a lifo manner. Would be good for some situations. Giving you >a version cache device for sql tables or floppy build versions. Hmm, that could be made rather simply I think. It's on the list. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 29 15: 7: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (mailgate.gta.com [199.120.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1784154D5 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:06:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id SAA88340; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:10:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Larry Baird Message-Id: <199911292310.SAA88340@gta.com> To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: md - memory disk wishlist ? In-Reply-To: <23112.943907996@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: Global Technology Associates, Inc. User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <23112.943907996@critter.freebsd.dk> you wrote: > I'm looking for input from this crowd: what features do you want to > see from the md driver ? > Currently it supports two modes of operation: > 1. Preloaded images. This is like MFS_ROOT basically, > but you can muliple images and get multiple devices. Can you shed a little bit of light on how md(4) works as compared to MFS_ROOT? Is there some documentation somewhere that I missed? Is there a utility similar to write_mfs_in_kernel? > 2. Malloc mode. Here storage is malloc(9)'ed on as needed > basis and freed back when possible (with UFS for instance). > Simple compression is performed: if a sector have all bytes > identical no storage will be alocated, only that byte value > will be stored. Does malloc mode also apply to preloaded images? > I would like to hear from the embedded people what you need from a > memory device driver in FreeBSD in the future. I'll give this some thought. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 29 17:32:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745C4156C9 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from golding@halcyon.com) Received: from king.halcyon.com (golding@king.halcyon.com [206.63.63.10]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10103; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from golding@localhost) by king.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05517; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: Kim and Chet Golding To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: md - memory disk wishlist ? In-Reply-To: <23780.943913333@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Kim and > Chet Golding writes: > > > >Great Question! On 1 and 2.. yes seems unlikely for the basic way the mfs works now with picobsd, but if it's used as a failover system some of these kinds of things would be real handy. If a md was used basicly as a status & config for a router (or other device) then in a system that supported failover both active and backup systems might back eachother up in this manner. So if one were to go offline (say it's upstream network connection failed) the other could step in and assume the role. I'm sure many folk have seen the kind of harsh environments I have, memory fails, power goes out, you know... why not ask? =) By the way... thanks for asking! Chet > > > >1. Mirror or Raid mode would be very cool. > > For a memory disk ? > > >2. A cluster hook of some sort would be super if you had multiple systems > >and could config/treat a memory disk as a single unit and let the unit > >take care of passing updates to another system. (Maybe on boot this > >could reload itself from another systems md based on a switch-file or > >test-condition script in /etc... or after network was up.. failing over > >to something in /etc/defaults if network is unreachable..) > > Uhm. This is a network filesystem, isn't it ? > > >3. Snap effect... Something like a .bak but with versions say up to 16 > >working in a lifo manner. Would be good for some situations. Giving you > >a version cache device for sql tables or floppy build versions. > > Hmm, that could be made rather simply I think. It's on the list. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 30 2:45:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E74C1588D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:45:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dominic@clara.net) Received: from [195.8.70.79] (helo=barney) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11skmt-000KMT-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:45:35 +0000 Message-ID: <007001bf3b1f$677af6c0$4f4608c3@support.clara.net> From: "Sahar Isaac" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:41:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 1 14:51:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFCE3151AE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@davidv.net) Received: from abuse5.iadfw.net from [206.66.13.138] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.421) with smtp for sender: id ; Wed, 1 Dec 99 16:51:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3845A81B.41C67EA6@davidv.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:58:35 -0600 From: "D. Vondrasek" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PICO on a harddrive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any one know how to place Pico on a harddrive ? I have a ols Lap top with an 80 meg drive I want to use as a CRT :) I figured pico would be great for it, but If i can get it to boot to the HD and not have to use a floppy and set up each time it would be great. Please CC off list -- Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 2 14:39:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362D14C5A for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com) Message-ID: <19991202173909.29028@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:39:09 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Rearranging PicoBSD build Reply-To: Greg Lehey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've almost completed some Makefiles for building PicoBSD images, and I was planning on committing them in the near future. If anybody would like to review them, please contact me. They're not quite finished yet, so if you have any input, it would be welcome. A couple of changes: - As well as the four static images (dial, install, isp, router), I'm adding a fifth one (custom). By default, custom will be low on features, so that you can add your own. - I've added support for a second floppy disk which can be read to the MFS in at boot time. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 2 15:39:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C08C14C3C for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA93096; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:37:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199912022337.SAA93096@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991202173909.29028@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Greg Lehey Subject: RE: Rearranging PicoBSD build Cc: FreeBSD-small@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Dec-99 Greg Lehey wrote: > I've almost completed some Makefiles for building PicoBSD images, and > I was planning on committing them in the near future. If anybody > would like to review them, please contact me. They're not quite > finished yet, so if you have any input, it would be welcome. > > A couple of changes: > > - As well as the four static images (dial, install, isp, router), I'm > adding a fifth one (custom). By default, custom will be low on > features, so that you can add your own. What about the 'net' image? I assume you actually do have it, but just forgot it? Also, Do you have support for building a custom, home-grown floppy that doesn't live in src/release/picobsd/custom? > - I've added support for a second floppy disk which can be read to the > MFS in at boot time. I think the new GUI interface already supports this. In any case, are you going to take this new interface and use it to move the sysinstall installation floppy under picoBSD? > Greg -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 2 15:53: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3640D14CB9; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:52:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com) Message-ID: <19991202185200.28958@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:52:00 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Rearranging PicoBSD build Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <19991202173909.29028@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> <199912022337.SAA93096@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199912022337.SAA93096@server.baldwin.cx>; from John Baldwin on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 06:37:59PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 2 December 1999 at 18:37:59 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 02-Dec-99 Greg Lehey wrote: >> I've almost completed some Makefiles for building PicoBSD images, and >> I was planning on committing them in the near future. If anybody >> would like to review them, please contact me. They're not quite >> finished yet, so if you have any input, it would be welcome. >> >> A couple of changes: >> >> - As well as the four static images (dial, install, isp, router), I'm >> adding a fifth one (custom). By default, custom will be low on >> features, so that you can add your own. > > What about the 'net' image? I assume you actually do have it, but > just forgot it? Sort of :-) I started playing with it, then renamed the directory to custom, so when I looked through the directory names, I didn't see it. But yes, I have no intention of removing it. > Also, Do you have support for building a custom, home-grown floppy > that doesn't live in src/release/picobsd/custom? Why would you want to do that? There's no reason why custom shouldn't be a symlink. But the way I build requires a number of files in custom, and it's easier to do things in place. >> - I've added support for a second floppy disk which can be read to the >> MFS in at boot time. > > I think the new GUI interface already supports this. In any case, are you > going to take this new interface and use it to move the sysinstall installation > floppy under picoBSD? I'm not sure what you mean by the "new GUI interface". Do you mwan the files in release/picobsd/build? I don't see any support for it there. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 2 16:31:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DB014BCC for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00226; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199912030031.TAA00226@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991202185200.28958@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Rearranging PicoBSD build Cc: FreeBSD-small@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Dec-99 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 2 December 1999 at 18:37:59 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 02-Dec-99 Greg Lehey wrote: >>> I've almost completed some Makefiles for building PicoBSD images, and >>> I was planning on committing them in the near future. If anybody >>> would like to review them, please contact me. They're not quite >>> finished yet, so if you have any input, it would be welcome. >>> >>> A couple of changes: >>> >>> - As well as the four static images (dial, install, isp, router), I'm >>> adding a fifth one (custom). By default, custom will be low on >>> features, so that you can add your own. >> >> What about the 'net' image? I assume you actually do have it, but >> just forgot it? > > Sort of :-) I started playing with it, then renamed the directory to > custom, so when I looked through the directory names, I didn't see it. > But yes, I have no intention of removing it. Ok, just making sure. >> Also, Do you have support for building a custom, home-grown floppy >> that doesn't live in src/release/picobsd/custom? > > Why would you want to do that? There's no reason why custom shouldn't > be a symlink. But the way I build requires a number of files in > custom, and it's easier to do things in place. So that I can blow away /usr/src and not lose my custom picoBSD config. Mainly, I just want to make sure that your makefiles will work with custom being a symlink (as the system does now). When the new interface was first put in, it assumed that custom was a hard link and not a soft link, and I'm just trying to avoid that. >>> - I've added support for a second floppy disk which can be read to the >>> MFS in at boot time. >> >> I think the new GUI interface already supports this. In any case, are you >> going to take this new interface and use it to move the sysinstall >> installation >> floppy under picoBSD? > > I'm not sure what you mean by the "new GUI interface". Do you mwan > the files in release/picobsd/build? I don't see any support for it > there. Woops, I think it was on the wishlist for the new build scripts and I thought I had seen it earlier, but I don't see any type of support for that now. > Greg -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 1:11:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EF4150BE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p25-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.122]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id SAA03250 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:11:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <384788A6.40947B31@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:08:54 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I noticed that PicoBSD seems to be both doing it's own initialization and reading of loader.conf, and calling "start" which repeats these steps. I have a patch at http://www.freebsd.org/~dcs/picobsd.patch with replaces that start call in picobsd/forth/menu.4th with boot-conf, which assumes that the initialization has already been done. Could someone test it? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) who is as social as a wampas dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 2:34:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rhino.corp.clara.net (rhino.corp.clara.net [195.8.70.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874B414C84 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tris@rhino.corp.clara.net) Received: (from tris@localhost) by rhino.corp.clara.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA76110 for small@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:32:54 GMT (envelope-from tris) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:32:54 -0000 (GMT) From: Tristan To: small@freebsd.org Subject: your builds Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey ppl, I'd be very interested in hearing about any kewl builds of picoBSD anyone has done. ...and what you are using them for. I've been playing around with a few custom builds myself ....just adding a few bits and pieces i couldn't do without, like vi and taking out some bits i would never use.. the aim of this little experimentation was to use an old pc i have without a hd as a router/firewall for my network and simply have it connecting to my isp. ....unfortunately i've been a little busy and havent really done a lot yet. ...maybe someone out there can inspire me with news of their successes with pico ? :) ..so guys, tell me.... peace Tris == Disclaimer: Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 7:40:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EC2714BE4 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 45702 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 15:43:05 -0000 Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (204.147.85.81) by otto.oss.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 15:43:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3847E509.1C9EEEE4@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:43:05 -0600 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tristan Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using an older version of pico I've hacked to be a single floppy nfs auto install. I put a number of install.cfg files into the MFS during pico's build and can then build any of several predetermined configs at boot. The idea was fast builds of a several types of servers with little to no human intervention. I've been meaning to write up how it works, if anyone is interested I can do so. Pete Tristan wrote: > > hey ppl, > > I'd be very interested in hearing about > any kewl builds of picoBSD anyone has > done. ...and what you are using them for. > > I've been playing around with a few custom > builds myself ....just adding a few bits > and pieces i couldn't do without, like > vi and taking out some bits i would never use.. > > the aim of this little experimentation was to > use an old pc i have without a hd as a router/firewall for > my network and simply have it connecting to my isp. > ....unfortunately i've been a little busy and havent > really done a lot yet. > > ...maybe someone out there can inspire me with news of > their successes with pico ? :) > > ..so guys, tell me.... > > peace > > Tris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 7:58:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from histidine.utmb.edu (histidine.utmb.edu [129.109.59.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D70C151F5 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bdodson@scms.utmb.EDU) Received: (from bdodson@localhost) by histidine.utmb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05402; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:57:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bdodson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:57:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912031557.JAA05402@histidine.utmb.edu> From: "M. L. Dodson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Pete Mckenna Cc: Tristan , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your builds In-Reply-To: <3847E509.1C9EEEE4@uswest.net> References: <3847E509.1C9EEEE4@uswest.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete Mckenna writes: > I'm using an older version of pico I've hacked to be a single floppy nfs > auto install. > I put a number of install.cfg files into the MFS during pico's build and > can then build any of several predetermined configs at boot. The idea > was fast builds of a several types of servers with little to no human > intervention. I've been meaning to write up how it works, if anyone is > interested I can do so. > > Pete > YES! Please do so! I want to set up a compute cluster and use this method for installs and reinstalls, so any experience along these lines is of great interest to me. Someone else posted a solution (here?) several days ago, but the more experience and code we have exposed on the lists or at published urls, the better off we will be, IMHO. Bud Dodson [elided] -- M. L. Dodson bdodson@scms.utmb.edu 409-772-2178 FAX: 409-772-1790 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 9:10:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8427A1504A for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 48294 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 17:13:49 -0000 Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (204.147.85.81) by otto.oss.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 17:13:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3847FA4D.D9281EAA@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:13:49 -0600 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. L. Dodson" Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PICOBSD as an FTP unattended installer References: <3847E509.1C9EEEE4@uswest.net> <199912031557.JAA05402@histidine.utmb.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK In response to Bud's request here's a rough take on our auto installer. I basically used the dial build and tore lots out of it to make it the equivalent of custom, no reason for this it's just what I did. In pico/build/build (v 1.12.2.1 1999/02/22 21:25:15 abial) I changed DIAL_DFLT_SIZE=to 4567 to get more space in the MFS and not have to change it manually each time. I also set INIT=to sysinstall here for similar reasons. Next I added a few lines to the populate script to get some boot files and my config files into the MFS image. (populate,v 1.8.2.4 1999/05/07 10:02:30 abial) otto:diff populate populate.orig 44,49d43 < #I added this < cp /pico/build/INSTALL_cfg/*.cfg /mnt/stand/ < cp /boot/boot0 /mnt/boot/ < cp /boot/boot1 /mnt/boot/ < cp /boot/boot2 /mnt/boot/ < #Down to here Then I mucked with the pico/dial/crunch1/crunch.conf to make room and have sysinstall available. (crunch.conf,v 1.5.2.2 1999/05/21 15:39:08 roger) otto:diff crunch.conf crunch.conf.orig 27d26 < srcdirs /usr/src/release 33,34c32 < #removed ppp telnet < progs ftp ed gzip more --- > progs ppp ftp telnet ee gzip more 39,42c37,39 < #removed mount_cd9660 and mount_mfdos mount_ext2fs < progs sh kget echo pwd msg stty test < progs hostname cat kill sps vm ns dd < progs chmod chown help sysinstall newfs find cpio --- > progs sh test kget echo pwd msg stty > progs hostname cat kill sps vm ns > progs chmod chown help 45c42 < progs ls mkdir mount --- > progs ls mkdir mount mount_msdos mount_cd9660 mount_ext2fs 53,55c50,52 < #ln mount_msdos msdos < #ln mount_cd9660 cd9660 < #ln mount_ext2fs ext2fs --- > ln mount_msdos msdos > ln mount_cd9660 cd9660 > ln mount_ext2fs ext2fs 59c56 < libs -ldialog -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz --- > libs -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz 61d57 < libs -ldisk In pico/dial/mfs.tree I added boot to the mfs.mtree and changed the devices to SCSI. (mfs.mtree,v 1.3 1998/09/07 19:00:25 abial) otto:diff mfs.mtree mfs.mtree.orig 6,7d5 < boot < .. (Makefile,v 1.5.2.1 1999/05/09 22:03:54 abial) otto:diff Makefile Makefile.orig 68c68 < ./MAKEDEV da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 da0s1a da1s1a da2s1a da3s1a da4s1a ;\ --- > ./MAKEDEV wd0s1h wd0s2 wd0s3 wd0s4 wd1s1h wd1s2 wd1s3 wd1s4 ;\ In pico/dial/conf I made a new kernel conf file to use the SCSI devices etc. < controller scbus0 < controller ahc0 < device da0 < device pass0 < options MFS_ROOT < options MFS_ROOT_SIZE=4567 And I think that is about it. As a disclaimer this evolved over a year or more and I am by no means an expert or even cluefull about how everything in the pico build works, when I got stuck I asked, give it try if something like this seems usefull. Oh, the config files for sysinstall live in /pico/build/INSTALL_cfg/ on my box (/pico = /usr/src/release/picobsd/) my hack to populate copies any .cfg file from this dir to the MFS image (in stand). If the file is named install.cfg sysinstall will run it automatically and just ask you if you want to commit before doing the newfs. If you wish to be able to choose your script don't name any of them install.cfg. When you get the sysinstall menu, choose Load Config: In the window put the path ../stand/your_file.cfg It will then run the script of your choice. The scripts are quite small I have about ten on my floppies and still have a lot of room in the MFS. There is an example install.cfg in /usr/src/release/sysinstall. It has one error you need to add another line under the ftp= line in the form _ftpPath=ftp://x.x.x.x the address or name is the same as in the ftp line. I'll try to write this all up better and have more on the install.cfg scripts at a later date. Send me any comments, corrections, or questions. If the question is why the hell did you do x this way it's probably because I don't know any better. Feel free to enlighten me. Pete "M. L. Dodson" wrote: > > Pete Mckenna writes: > > I'm using an older version of pico I've hacked to be a single floppy nfs > > auto install. > > I put a number of install.cfg files into the MFS during pico's build and > > can then build any of several predetermined configs at boot. The idea > > was fast builds of a several types of servers with little to no human > > intervention. I've been meaning to write up how it works, if anyone is > > interested I can do so. > > > > Pete > > > > YES! Please do so! I want to set up a compute cluster and use > this method for installs and reinstalls, so any experience along > these lines is of great interest to me. Someone else posted a > solution (here?) several days ago, but the more experience and > code we have exposed on the lists or at published urls, the > better off we will be, IMHO. > > Bud Dodson > > [elided] > > -- > M. L. Dodson bdodson@scms.utmb.edu > 409-772-2178 FAX: 409-772-1790 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 12:49:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from massive.geek.edu (massive.geek.edu [216.73.11.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D1F14C21 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:49:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jontow@massive.geek.edu) Received: (from jontow@localhost) by massive.geek.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA50920; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:50:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jontow) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:50:03 -0500 From: Jonathan Towne To: Tristan Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds Message-ID: <19991203155003.A50875@massve.geek.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Tristan on Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 10:32:54AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd be very interested in hearing about > any kewl builds of picoBSD anyone has > done. ...and what you are using them for. My idea was to make use of a Celeron 300a running win98 (that I had no permission to remove, so as to install freebsd), and still have the functionality of freebsd, given that its the fastest machine on this LAN, so i took and setup a custom "network" floppy to be a diskless X11 workstation, basically by copying XF86Config to /etc on the floppy, nfs mounting /usr, doing all the ldconfig work so as to gain use of the libraries, and then "startx" or "xdm" .. works well, even though its only a 10mbit LAN... I successfully ran windowmaker (at 24bpp), at a more than adequate speed, and at one point, i ran a Mozilla build, on a 486sx/25 with only 12meg of RAM.. picobsd works great for this, one of my recent ideas was to build a "vnode" image that included XFree86 and a few things like windowmaker, netscape, maybe kde, and a bunch of X11 utilities, so as to have a picobsd/X workstation running X from a local DOS/ext2/ufs/whatever partition, without having to murder the current partition table.. never got around to it because I had found a bug that was far beyond my capabilities (a long while ago) in the vnode code.. oh well, maybe I'll take a stab at it again sometime.. let me know if anyone has any interest whatsoever, if not, then i won't put too much effort into making it look nice, as it'll just be wasted on my own enjoyment :) -- Jonathan Towne jontow@massive.geek.edu/wrongway@slic.com Systems Administrator http://massive.geek.edu/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GU d- s: a--- C+++ UB++++ P L- E--- W--- N++ o K w--- O-- M V- PS PE Y-- PGP- t+ 5 X+ R+ tv- b+ DI+ D++ G e- h-- r-- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 17:45:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from massive.geek.edu (massive.geek.edu [216.73.11.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6355152FC for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:45:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jontow@massive.geek.edu) Received: (from jontow@localhost) by massive.geek.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA59431; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:45:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jontow) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:45:59 -0500 From: Jonathan Towne To: John Lundin Jr Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds Message-ID: <19991203204559.A59405@massve.geek.edu> References: <19991203155003.A50875@massve.geek.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from John Lundin Jr on Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 08:34:56PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Have you looked into whether you can use a Windoze file as swap > and auxiliary filesystem container? Haven't set up an experiment > yet. I'm told linux can do it. Be nice to eliminate NFS, even if > the pc has to slurp a lot more across the network at first. Hey! great idea, I hadn't thought about trying to use the windows swapfile that was already available.. this might just work, if I went along and created it as a vnode device, i believe i might just try this tonight and post the results later :) -- Jonathan Towne jontow@massive.geek.edu/wrongway@slic.com Systems Administrator http://massive.geek.edu/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GU d- s: a--- C+++ UB++++ P L- E--- W--- N++ o K w--- O-- M V- PS PE Y-- PGP- t+ 5 X+ R+ tv- b+ DI+ D++ G e- h-- r-- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 18:40:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301014E93 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from golding@halcyon.com) Received: from king.halcyon.com (golding@king.halcyon.com [206.63.63.10]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01798; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from golding@localhost) by king.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23414; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:39:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kim and Chet Golding To: Pete Mckenna Cc: Tristan , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your builds In-Reply-To: <3847E509.1C9EEEE4@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete! Yeah! I'd love to see how you do that! Chet On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Pete Mckenna wrote: > I'm using an older version of pico I've hacked to be a single floppy nfs > auto install. > I put a number of install.cfg files into the MFS during pico's build and > can then build any of several predetermined configs at boot. The idea > was fast builds of a several types of servers with little to no human > intervention. I've been meaning to write up how it works, if anyone is > interested I can do so. > > Pete > > > Tristan wrote: > > > > hey ppl, > > > > I'd be very interested in hearing about > > any kewl builds of picoBSD anyone has > > done. ...and what you are using them for. > > > > I've been playing around with a few custom > > builds myself ....just adding a few bits > > and pieces i couldn't do without, like > > vi and taking out some bits i would never use.. > > > > the aim of this little experimentation was to > > use an old pc i have without a hd as a router/firewall for > > my network and simply have it connecting to my isp. > > ....unfortunately i've been a little busy and havent > > really done a lot yet. > > > > ...maybe someone out there can inspire me with news of > > their successes with pico ? :) > > > > ..so guys, tell me.... > > > > peace > > > > Tris > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 3 18:46:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.nwnexus.com (smtp04.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1694115334 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:46:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from golding@halcyon.com) Received: from king.halcyon.com (golding@king.halcyon.com [206.63.63.10]) by smtp04.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31834; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from golding@localhost) by king.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23764; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:44:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kim and Chet Golding To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rearranging PicoBSD build In-Reply-To: <19991202173909.29028@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg, Hi, one thing comes to mind. When I tried the 4.1 picobsd on a older AMD 386 it didn't work. The best I could figure was that the support for emulated math was off as I can run other versions of picobsd and install FreeBSD okay (emulation is default on I think.) So, I'd express that this should be on for images people download or it should be noted in the download link/pages. Chet On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > I've almost completed some Makefiles for building PicoBSD images, and > I was planning on committing them in the near future. If anybody > would like to review them, please contact me. They're not quite > finished yet, so if you have any input, it would be welcome. > > A couple of changes: > > - As well as the four static images (dial, install, isp, router), I'm > adding a fifth one (custom). By default, custom will be low on > features, so that you can add your own. > > - I've added support for a second floppy disk which can be read to the > MFS in at boot time. > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 0:27:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles530.castles.com [208.214.165.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF6D14D64 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00636; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912040826.AAA00636@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jonathan Towne Cc: John Lundin Jr , freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:45:59 EST." <19991203204559.A59405@massve.geek.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 00:26:32 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Have you looked into whether you can use a Windoze file as swap > > and auxiliary filesystem container? Haven't set up an experiment > > yet. I'm told linux can do it. Be nice to eliminate NFS, even if > > the pc has to slurp a lot more across the network at first. > > Hey! great idea, I hadn't thought about trying to use the windows > swapfile that was already available.. this might just work, if I > went along and created it as a vnode device, i believe i might > just try this tonight and post the results later :) You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so straightforward anymore. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 1:25:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A7015355; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12077; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:25:05 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199912040925.LAA12077@gratis.grondar.za> To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your builds Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:25:05 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > straightforward anymore. Don't ask me for details, as I don't have them anymore; years ago someone posted a recipe which showed how he made a separate partition for his Windoze swap file, then frobbed his disklabel to fit the FreeBSD swap partition completely inside the Windoze swap file. It was quite messy but doable, and it worked. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 3:22:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07F814D3F; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11uDFV-000Ihv-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:21:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:21:02 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: Mike Smith Cc: Jonathan Towne , John Lundin Jr , freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds In-Reply-To: <199912040826.AAA00636@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Have you looked into whether you can use a Windoze file as swap > > > and auxiliary filesystem container? Haven't set up an experiment > > > yet. I'm told linux can do it. Be nice to eliminate NFS, even if > > > the pc has to slurp a lot more across the network at first. > > > > Hey! great idea, I hadn't thought about trying to use the windows > > swapfile that was already available.. this might just work, if I > > went along and created it as a vnode device, i believe i might > > just try this tonight and post the results later :) > > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > straightforward anymore. > Windows 95 and later do indeed resize the swapfile by default. This can be changed in Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance, to a fixed size. I'm told this also increases Windows performance. Defragment the disc/partition you use for swap though before changing this in Windows. Marc Marc Schneiders marc@venster.nl marc@oldserver.demon.nl propro 12:16pm up 5 days, 12:12, load average: 0.32 0.86 1.31 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 3:58:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.dacor.com (ns1.dacor.net [205.133.75.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1EE14FF8 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom.scott@veda-home.com) Received: from veda-home.com (adsl-77.dacor.net [205.133.74.77]) by goliath.dacor.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Y1BCB5H2; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 06:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3849032C.F039FE0E@veda-home.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 07:03:56 -0500 From: Telecom Tom Organization: The Veda Home Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en-US, es, de, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 4:26:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from skye.elocom.ch (pi.elocom.ch [212.101.5.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8B914D36 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 04:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pi@elocom.ch) Received: from localhost (localhost.elocom.ch [127.0.0.1]) by skye.elocom.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01251; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:27:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pi@elocom.ch) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:27:35 +0100 (CET) From: Reto Trachsel To: Telecom Tom Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3849032C.F039FE0E@veda-home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Tom u have to write a mail to MAJORDOMO@freebsd.org with the following text in the body: subscribe tom.scott@veda-home.com After the sendung, u will bekome a mail from majordomo with the next things to du. Regards =09Reto Trachsel v/o Pi /=A8\ ASCII-Ribon Campaign \ / =A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8 x No HTML or WORD in Mails / \ HTML is for WEB, Word is for Micro$oft. On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Telecom Tom wrote: > subscribe >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message >=20 >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 6:34: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.krystal.com (mail.krystal.com [198.102.241.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C6814FBE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 06:33:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prb@bsdi.com) Received: from krystal.com (72340172838076673@krystal.com [198.102.241.2]) by mail.krystal.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA16821 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:31:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by krystal.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA22660; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:31:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:31:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912041431.IAA22660@krystal.com> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Borman Subject: Re: your builds Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Mark Murray > Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:25:05 +0200 > Subject: Re: your builds > To: Mike Smith > Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > > > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > > straightforward anymore. > > Don't ask me for details, as I don't have them anymore; years ago > someone posted a recipe which showed how he made a separate partition > for his Windoze swap file, then frobbed his disklabel to fit the > FreeBSD swap partition completely inside the Windoze swap file. > > It was quite messy but doable, and it worked. It is not terribly difficult. Under DOS make and extended partition to cotain the swap area. Under BSD make you b partition start 1 cyl into the extended DOS partition (so as not to overwrite the beginning of that partition.) You can also find someone with BSD/OS. The disksetup program inherently knowns how to do this and the release notes talk about it. That might help you set it up. -Paul Borman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 9: 7:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ee.elen.utah.edu (ee.elen.utah.edu [128.110.18.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA75B1512A; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from match@elen.utah.edu) Received: from candy (candy.elen.utah.edu [128.110.18.70]) by ee.elen.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DEE5420; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:06:59 -0700 (MST) From: match@elen.utah.edu To: Mike Smith Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:10:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: your builds (using Win9x swap space) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199912040826.AAA00636@mass.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:45:59 EST." <19991203204559.A59405@massve.geek.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: <19991204170659.B8DEE5420@ee.elen.utah.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 4 Dec 99, at 0:26, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Have you looked into whether you can use a Windoze file as swap > > > and auxiliary filesystem container? Haven't set up an experiment > > > yet. I'm told linux can do it. Be nice to eliminate NFS, even if > > > the pc has to slurp a lot more across the network at first. > > > > Hey! great idea, I hadn't thought about trying to use the windows > > swapfile that was already available.. this might just work, if I > > went along and created it as a vnode device, i believe i might just > > try this tonight and post the results later :) > > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > straightforward anymore. > Yes, this is default for 'doze, however if the user takes control of the swap file and sets the min and max size to be equal (in Windows open Control Panel, then System, then Virtual Memory, and make whatever changes,) then de-frag it so's it's all together on the disk, then it begins to look like the fixed-sized swap file we all know and love... Even helps 'doze a little bit because it stops using up horsepower growing and shrinking the swapfile. I set up all my Win 98 machines this way. The difference is noticeable. Performance is still a problem, due to 'doze stupid almost-a-file- system. But, if it's all you've got to work with, then it's all you've got. Marvin Match match@ee.utah.edu University of Utah Electrical Engineering P.S. Mike, at comdex I spoke to you some about clustering two computers and one RAID array, remember? You mentioned that someone had pursued that avenue some, perhaps not to a working solution, but I don't remember who. Can you (or anyone else) point me to the guilty parties? We would like to pick up the work and run with it for a while. Thanx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 13:35:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles545.castles.com [208.214.165.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC8715157; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:35:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04735; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912042136.NAA04735@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mark Murray Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your builds In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:25:05 +0200." <199912040925.LAA12077@gratis.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:36:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > > straightforward anymore. > > Don't ask me for details, as I don't have them anymore; years ago > someone posted a recipe which showed how he made a separate partition > for his Windoze swap file, then frobbed his disklabel to fit the > FreeBSD swap partition completely inside the Windoze swap file. > > It was quite messy but doable, and it worked. Only for very old versions of Windows where the swapfile can't be fragmented. I wrote a disk-like device driver that exported a disk device that mapped exactly onto your Windows swapfile, but that was just as W95 was taking off, and the swapfile stopped being so useful. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 14:33:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2299F14CB0 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07CD35AF2; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:33:03 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your builds Message-ID: <19991204173303.A27807@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199912040925.LAA12077@gratis.grondar.za> <199912042136.NAA04735@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199912042136.NAA04735@mass.cdrom.com> X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 04, 1999 at 01:36:40PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > Only for very old versions of Windows where the swapfile can't be > fragmented. I wrote a disk-like device driver that exported a disk > device that mapped exactly onto your Windows swapfile, but that was just > as W95 was taking off, and the swapfile stopped being so useful. Couldn't it be done via the vn driver by mounting the FAT partition containing the swapfile, then using vn to map the file to a disk device, then mounting it as swap? -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ Geek code available via finger PGP key available on my web page On IRC via EFnet as Magus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 4 21:29:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from berlin.atlantic.net (berlin.atlantic.net [209.208.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A58153CF for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:29:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bjohnson@cmave.usda.ufl.edu) Received: from mail.atlantic.net (root@mail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.71]) by berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23433 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:29:46 -0500 Received: from bsd.cisi.com (ocalflifanb-as-1-r1-ip-17.atlantic.net [209.208.28.17]) by mail.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27856 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:29:40 -0500 Received: from cmave.usda.ufl.edu (nancy.cisi.com [192.168.0.131]) by bsd.cisi.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA22858 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:34:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bjohnson@cmave.usda.ufl.edu) Message-ID: <3849F7EF.FFCFC66F@cmave.usda.ufl.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:28:15 -0500 From: Bob Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your builds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > > You can do it, but performance sucks. I'm led to believe that later > > > versions of windows also grow and shrink the swapfile, so it's not so > > > straightforward anymore. > > [> Mark Murray wrote:] > > Don't ask me for details, as I don't have them anymore; years ago > > someone posted a recipe which showed how he made a separate partition > > for his Windoze swap file, then frobbed his disklabel to fit the > > FreeBSD swap partition completely inside the Windoze swap file. > > > > It was quite messy but doable, and it worked. > > Only for very old versions of Windows where the swapfile can't be > fragmented. I wrote a disk-like device driver that exported a disk > device that mapped exactly onto your Windows swapfile, but that was just > as W95 was taking off, and the swapfile stopped being so useful. > You CAN set up a Win95 swap file that won't be fragmented. Whether that allows you to then use the old technique I'll leave for someone else to investigate: Create a new partition large enough for the maximum swapfile size you will need under Win95 or BSD. You can also do this on an existing, freshly defragmented partition, as long is it doesn't contain the existing Windows swapfile, but to overlay it with a BSD swapfile I gather it needs to be in its own partition. The partition needs to be formatted for Windows (i.e. DOS). Open Control Panel/System. Select the Performance tab, then the Virtual Memory button. Select "Let me specify my own virtual memory settings." Set the "Hard disk" entry to point to the partition where you want the swap file to exist. Set the "Minimum" and "Maximum" values to both be the size of the partition, so the swap file is fixed size and occupies the entire partition. The next time Win95 reboots, it will create the pre-allocated swapfile. If the file isn't there when Windows boots, it will be created, so it shouldn't hurt to have FreeBSD scribbling on the partition, as long as it leaves it in DOS format (that's the part I don't understand how to do, but I don't need to do it...). NOTE: you seem to have to set the swapfile size to be slightly smaller than the space Windows claims is available in the partition, or your settings will be ignored and changed back to the defaults. You don't have to make the swap file fill the entire partition unless you want to have a partition dedicated solely to the swap file, just make it big enough to handle your worst-case needs. I do this on all of my Win95 system (usually not in a dedicated partition, though), because as the swapfile becomes fragmented, it drastically slows down Windows. Your old copy of Windows doesn't just SEEM slower than when it was new, it IS slower! A few other notes to clarify some things: Once Windows creates the new swapfile to your minimum-size specification, it won't ever free those sectors again. You should be able to track them down and scribble on them from BSD to your heart's content, as long as it leaves everything looking legal to Windows. If someone boots DOS and deletes your Windows swapfile, THEN things will change. Windows can't defragment its own swapfile, so you need to move the swapfile to a new or freshly defragmented partition in order to defragment the existing swapfile. Some third party defrag programs that run under DOS can defrag the Windows swapfile (or for that matter, under DOS you can just delete the swapfile and then defrag the partition). This would give you a way to defrag the swapfile without a second partition. If you have enough ram, you should be able to boot Windows and defrag the partition with a zero-size swapfile. That might be another way to defrag the swapfile, but I wouldn't bet on it. -- Bob bjohnson@cmave.usda.ufl.edu bjohnson@gainesville.usda.ufl.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message