From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 2 3:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.Surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8020937B566 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (pC19F5491.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [193.159.84.145]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00496; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:32:23 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E384EAC2C; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04164; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:32:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:32:23 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: stox@imagescape.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD a monopoly ? Message-ID: <20000402123223.A3615@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@enteract.com on Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 02:10:40PM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Kenneth P. Stox (stox@enteract.com): > Hehe. Did you take a look at /linux/ ? Very nice... Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 2 12: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D64037B6A7; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.156.38] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12bpbw-0003Rb-00; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:00:40 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02090; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:59:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:59:09 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: stox@imagescape.com Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Justin Wiley Subject: Re: artwork Message-ID: <20000402195909.A2045@parish> References: <200003212212.RAA05293@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@enteract.com on Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > On 21-Mar-00 John Baldwin wrote: > > http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/gif/bsd/index.html. Or you can make it > > into a splash screen, which I can add to the gallery of those at > > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ > > Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony VAIO laptop. A > 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from the NASA photo archives. It is a > F-18 Hornet breaking the sound barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. > I added a little text and resized with GIMP, voila! > Sounds good. Where can we find it? > - > Kenneth P. Stox stox@imagescape.com > @15:55:50 on 01-Apr-00 > You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your > friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a "++" to fix it. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 2 17:32:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D6737B509 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id CAA29150 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:31:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA55868 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:26:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Anybody going to JL3 (Strasbourg)? Date: 3 Apr 2000 02:26:54 +0200 Message-ID: <8c8oge$1mhe$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I managed to get myself invited as a speaker for the Journées du Libre IIIème Édition May 12-13, Strasbourg, France http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/jl3/ This is a smallish user show advertising free software to the public. Free entry to the show floor and presentations. Extrapolating from last year's attendence, I expect about 1000..2000 visitors. The event is undoubtedly dominated by Linux, but that's more of an accident. There simply are more Linux users. Anyway, I'll give a general presentation about BSD (in English), and there is some talk about setting up a BSD booth. The latter is something I can't do alone. 1. Anybody here at all who plans to attend? 2. Anybody willing to help out with a small BSD booth? Wanted: personnel, promotional material. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 2 19: 4:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E928437B914 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21239; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004030205.TAA21239@pike.cdrom.com> To: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Anybody going to JL3 (Strasbourg)? In-reply-to: Your message of "03 Apr 2000 02:26:54 +0200." <8c8oge$1mhe$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:05:40 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) said... >I managed to get myself invited as a speaker for the > > Journées du Libre IIIème Édition > May 12-13, Strasbourg, France > http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/jl3/ > >This is a smallish user show advertising free software to the >public. Free entry to the show floor and presentations. Extrapolating >from last year's attendence, I expect about 1000..2000 visitors. >The event is undoubtedly dominated by Linux, but that's more of an >accident. There simply are more Linux users. Anyway, I'll give a >general presentation about BSD (in English), and there is some talk >about setting up a BSD booth. The latter is something I can't do >alone. > >1. Anybody here at all who plans to attend? > >2. Anybody willing to help out with a small BSD booth? > Wanted: personnel, promotional material. Hi Christian, I can help out with promotional material: install discs, signs, posters, pamphlets, etc. Unfortunately, all are in English. If English is okay, send me your shipping address. Otherwise, maybe someone can volunteer to translate them into French and/or German? -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 3 16:44:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64E737B63F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id BAA14586 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:44:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01351 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:36:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: FYI: BSD booth at LinuxTag 2000 Date: 4 Apr 2000 00:36:26 +0200 Message-ID: <8cb6da$19s$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since I brought up JL3 yesterday, I might as well mention this: LinuxTag 2000 ("LT2K") June 29 - July 2, 2000 Stuttgart, Germany http://www2.linuxtag.de/2000/english/ Blurb: LinuxTag is the largest Linux and Open Source user show in Europe. Expected attendance this year is 10,000+ (conservative estimate). Previously held on the campus of the University of Kaiserslautern, this event has now moved to the professional trade show floor in Stuttgart. There will be an exhibition as well as 40+ presentations, partly in English. Entry to the show and to most of the talks will be free. Speakers include RMS and Illiad. After a somewhat ill-fated showing by NetBSD last year, there *will* be a proper BSD booth at LT2K. Demo equipment shouldn't be a problem, and currently it looks like we might actually manage to staff the booth, although a few more helpers wouldn't hurt to make this a more pleasant than stressful experience. The situation is still in flux with regard to promotional material. (Bob, I'll come back to your offer on this.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 4 4:18:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93CB37B708 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@isy.liu.se) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e34BIAm00231 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:18:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:18:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Micke Josefsson To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD for the masses? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG BUS - The BSD User group Sweden - have lately discussed ways of popularizing *BSD here. The question is we (I?) are not sure on how to approach this subject in the best possible way. A short recap of our mailing-list sums up as follows: How is it that we don't see more ads about *BSD? (We know it is the better alternative) What would the recipients reaction be? A couple of scenarios: 1. People don't give a toss. 2. People get a CD and fail installing it. Exit the *BSD arena for good. 3. People get a CD and make a successful install. Now what? What do we 'feed' them with to make them stick to *BSD? 'People' above is probably not the general public? Or is it? Are there enough ' technically inclined' persons around to make a wide advertisement campaign worth the money? www.raditex.se has loads of CD's ready for distribution. Likely receivers are magazines, schools, local municipality &c. Does anyone on this list have experience with this? What constitues a 'successful' target and what is a dead end? It appears that Reader's Columns in mags are somewhat successful in attracting attention. Of course the mags must be of a techie style for this to work. (Am I wrong here?) I've been trying to get national magazines to include a FreeBSD CD, but I have not had any reaction from them at all (via mail). One rag had a Corel Linux CD the other week, so they should be interested. Or do they simply jump the linux bandwaggon? ("nothing succeeds like success") ------------- So far the mailing-list. Now over to you! Has anyone done something like this? Or even had thoughts about doing it? It might be dangerous to declare the FreeBSD superiority and stepping on The Penguins toes, for example? Saying that FreeBSD is better that windows is also a bit of a hot potato (...yes, we know it is, but accostumed unix users are more likely to appreciate uptimes and TCP/IP-intricacies than the average point-and-click user...)? Of course advertisments do not have to flame other OS'es - this is perhaps the best way. Do we have substantiated claims to present? (How much fact does www.unix-vs-nt.org actually contain?) 'nuff scribblings from me. Tips and tricks of the trade are most welcome! /Micke No need to cc me. I'm on this list. PS. Who am I? A mere happy user. I run some hardware labs and a FreeBSD server and am trying hard to get FreeBSD on the clients too. Background in DOS and OS/2. Specially interested in - among other special interests - how to make FreeBSD attractive, for schools for example. ---------------------------------- Michael Josefsson, MSEE mj@isy.liu.se This message was sent by XFMail running on FreeBSD 3.4 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 4 5:11:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from tribble.medianet.ie (tribble.medianet.ie [212.17.32.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4968237B537 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie) Received: [from liffey.co-operation-ireland.ie (blackcurrant.medianet.ie [212.17.34.32]) by tribble.medianet.ie (DIESPAM) with ESMTP id e34CBIt03009; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:11:18 +0100] Received: from it1 (it1 [199.107.2.129]) by liffey.co-operation-ireland.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA45791; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:06:56 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404131102.007e1660@199.107.2.1> X-Sender: relyod@199.107.2.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:11:02 +0100 To: Micke Josefsson From: Michael Doyle Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the masses? Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suggested a magazine cover disk offering about a year ago. The Disk 1 from the current 4-disk set is now even more suitable than it was a year ago. (It has almost all the apps you need for a useful server - at least all the ones I use for my production servers.) Like you, I'm an administrator - I use FreeBSD on some of my servers in work (I run the PC Network for a charity, and I have a mix of NT and FreeBSD servers. I don't do any NT advocacy :-) I think the problem is as much one of finding a magazine prepared to cary FreeBSD as anything else - the only magazines I have seen seem firmly limited to Linux if they bother mentioning a non Microsoft product at all. I have got to the point where I have stopped buying the paper magazines unless they have a particularly good cover disk - the contents of all the ones on sale in Ireland are no more than extended advertisments. <>< ============================================================ ><> Michael Doyle email: relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie Network Administrator personal email: relyod@indigo.ie Co-operation Ireland http://www.co-operation-ireland.ie/ Phone: +353-1-661 0588 Fax: +353-1-661 8456 ********************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Apr 5 6:58:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AEC37B783 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@isy.liu.se) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35DwLm18256; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:58:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000404131102.007e1660@199.107.2.1> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Micke Josefsson To: Michael Doyle Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the masses? Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Apr-00 Michael Doyle wrote: > I suggested a magazine cover disk offering about a year ago. > The Disk 1 from the current 4-disk set is now even more suitable > than it was a year ago. (It has almost all the apps you need > for a useful server - at least all the ones I use for my > production servers.) > Does this infer copyright implications? Should we have to 'roll our own' cd or is it OK to use disk1? It is on the web nowadays anyway. > Like you, I'm an administrator - I use FreeBSD on some of my servers > in work (I run the PC Network for a charity, and I have a mix of NT > and FreeBSD servers. I don't do any NT advocacy :-) > > I think the problem is as much one of finding a magazine prepared > to cary FreeBSD as anything else - the only magazines I have seen > seem firmly limited to Linux if they bother mentioning a non Microsoft > product at all. Here they all seem to come from a central source: idg.se has half a dozen of them. Perhaps they have separate staffs but I would not be surprised if the general policies re open software etc are the same... > > I have got to the point where I have stopped buying the paper magazines > unless they have a particularly good cover disk - the contents of all > the ones on sale in Ireland are no more than extended advertisments. A growing tendency here to lately:( ---------------------------------- Michael Josefsson, MSEE mj@isy.liu.se This message was sent by XFMail running on FreeBSD 3.4 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Apr 5 7:16: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA6B37B736 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13259; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004051417.HAA13259@pike.cdrom.com> To: Micke Josefsson Cc: Michael Doyle , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the masses? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:58:19 +0200." Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:17:27 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Micke Josefsson said... > >On 04-Apr-00 Michael Doyle wrote: >> I suggested a magazine cover disk offering about a year ago. >> The Disk 1 from the current 4-disk set is now even more suitable >> than it was a year ago. (It has almost all the apps you need >> for a useful server - at least all the ones I use for my >> production servers.) >> > >Does this infer copyright implications? Should we have to 'roll our own' cd or >is it OK to use disk1? It is on the web nowadays anyway. It is okay to use disk1. Anyone is welcome to make copies, give them away, sell them, put them up for FTP, or whatever you want. Disk1 is set up as a stand-alone installation disc to make it easy for people to do that. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Apr 5 15:13: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF0237B64B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15893; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAQcaihx; Wed Apr 5 14:25:56 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06073; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:26:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200004052126.OAA06073@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the masses? To: mj@isy.liu.se (Micke Josefsson) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie (Michael Doyle), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Micke Josefsson" at Apr 05, 2000 03:58:19 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 04-Apr-00 Michael Doyle wrote: > > I suggested a magazine cover disk offering about a year ago. > > The Disk 1 from the current 4-disk set is now even more suitable > > than it was a year ago. (It has almost all the apps you need > > for a useful server - at least all the ones I use for my > > production servers.) > > > > Does this infer copyright implications? Should we have to 'roll our own' cd or > is it OK to use disk1? It is on the web nowadays anyway. Oh J.C.! You have just opened the door for the FreeBSD trademark debate to resume, based on disk 1 not being "all of FreeBSD"! 1/2 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Apr 6 18:51:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.citechco.net (mail.citechco.net [203.127.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2572E37B654 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mojahed@citechco.net) Received: from mars.cosmos.net (ls2-02-173.citechco.net [203.127.137.173]) by mail.citechco.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e371ru700712; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:53:57 +0600 Received: (from mojahed@localhost) by mars.cosmos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05001; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:44:00 +0600 (BDT) (envelope-from mojahed) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:44:00 +0600 From: Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat To: stox@imagescape.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: artwork Message-ID: <20000406084400.A3532@mars.cosmos.net> References: <200003212212.RAA05293@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > ... > Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony VAIO laptop. A > 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from the NASA photo archives. It is a > F-18 Hornet breaking the sound barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. > I added a little text and resized with GIMP, voila! Can you PUH-lease upload that pic to someplace and give us the link? I am dying for a good splash screen. Almost none of the existing ones available in the usual places are upto my taste. -- Mojahed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 7 10: 9:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (d-002145-cd.dhcp.fnal.gov [131.225.82.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A339837BBED for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stox@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24379; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:08:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000406084400.A3532@mars.cosmos.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:08:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat Subject: Re: artwork Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about that folks: http://www.enteract.com/~stox/hornetsb.bmp and http://www.enteract.com/~stox/hornetsb.jpg On 06-Apr-00 Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: >> >> ... >> Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony VAIO laptop. A >> 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from the NASA photo archives. It is a >> F-18 Hornet breaking the sound barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. >> I added a little text and resized with GIMP, voila! > > Can you PUH-lease upload that pic to someplace and give us the > link? I am dying for a good splash screen. Almost none of the > existing ones available in the usual places are upto my taste. > > > -- > Mojahed ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox Date: 07-Apr-00 Time: 12:07:32 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 7 11:50:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2400137B7CB for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.6.70.80] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12ddqC-0000Tb-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:50:51 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01440; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:49:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:49:25 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: artwork Message-ID: <20000407194925.F238@parish> References: <20000406084400.A3532@mars.cosmos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@imagescape.com on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 12:08:43PM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 12:08:43PM -0500, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > Sorry about that folks: > > http://www.enteract.com/~stox/hornetsb.bmp > > and > > http://www.enteract.com/~stox/hornetsb.jpg > Thanks. It makes a great desktop:) > > On 06-Apr-00 Mojahedul Hoque Abul Hasanat wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony VAIO laptop. A > >> 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from the NASA photo archives. It is a > >> F-18 Hornet breaking the sound barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. > >> I added a little text and resized with GIMP, voila! > > > > Can you PUH-lease upload that pic to someplace and give us the > > link? I am dying for a good splash screen. Almost none of the > > existing ones available in the usual places are upto my taste. > > > > > > -- > > Mojahed > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox > Date: 07-Apr-00 > Time: 12:07:32 > ---------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 7 17:17:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from modgud.nordicrecords.com (h21-168-107.nordicdms.com [207.21.168.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A22337C3C7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwalton@acm.org) Received: (qmail 13994 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 00:17:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000408001753.13992.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com> Received: (qmail 13981 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2000 00:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO walton) (207.21.168.137) by mail.nordicdms.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 00:17:52 -0000 From: "Dave Walton" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:14:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: artwork Reply-To: dwalton@acm.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony > VAIO laptop. A 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from > the NASA photo archives. It is a F-18 Hornet breaking the sound > barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. I added a little text > and resized with GIMP, voila! Not that it has any relevence to its beauty as a splash screen, but that plane isn't actually breaking the sound barrier. See http://www.tbtf.com/blog/2000-02-13.html#4 for details. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 7 18: 8:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBDD37BEF9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stox@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00744; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:08:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000408001753.13993.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:08:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Dave Walton Subject: Re: artwork Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the info. I also wish to correct my previous statement that this shot came from NASA, it, in fact, came from the U.S. Navy. My humble apologies. On 08-Apr-00 Dave Walton wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: >> >> Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony >> VAIO laptop. A 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from >> the NASA photo archives. It is a F-18 Hornet breaking the sound >> barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. I added a little text >> and resized with GIMP, voila! > > Not that it has any relevence to its beauty as a splash screen, but > that plane isn't actually breaking the sound barrier. See > http://www.tbtf.com/blog/2000-02-13.html#4 for details. > > Dave > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox Date: 07-Apr-00 Time: 20:04:20 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 7 18:59:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEED37BC62 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.164.77] (helo=parish.my.domain) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12dkVr-00010T-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:58:18 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03987; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:58:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:58:35 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: Dave Walton , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: artwork Message-ID: <20000408025835.G238@parish> References: <20000408001753.13993.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@imagescape.com on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 08:08:06PM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 08:08:06PM -0500, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I also wish to correct my previous statement > that this shot came from NASA, it, in fact, came from the U.S. Navy. > My humble apologies. Damn, no wonder I couldn't find the original on the NASA website. > > > On 08-Apr-00 Dave Walton wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:15PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > >> > >> Something I whipped together as the splash screen on my Sony > >> VAIO laptop. A 1024x768 BMP. The original image came from > >> the NASA photo archives. It is a F-18 Hornet breaking the sound > >> barrier. The shock waves are clearly visible. I added a little text > >> and resized with GIMP, voila! > > > > Not that it has any relevence to its beauty as a splash screen, but > > that plane isn't actually breaking the sound barrier. See > > http://www.tbtf.com/blog/2000-02-13.html#4 for details. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox > Date: 07-Apr-00 > Time: 20:04:20 > ---------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 8 7: 2:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oldserver.demon.nl (oldserver.demon.nl [212.238.105.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172F237B7B2 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldserver.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05580 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Schneiders X-Sender: marc@propro.freebeastie.org To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: MINIX license change (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For those who rejoice in "victories" of the BSD license: linux precursor is now under it... :-) -- Marc Schneiders --- marc@venster.nl --- marc@dotje.com FreeBSD propro.freebeastie.org 5.0-CURRENT ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:13:50 -0400 From: Al Woodhull Reply-To: "Al Woodhull (Amherst)" To: MINIX-L@listserv.nodak.edu Subject: MINIX license change [Forwarded from comp.os.minix -- headers follow text] Better late than never. I finally got permission from Prentice Hall to change the MINIX license to the BSD license. The lawyers sort of sat on this for two years. Anyway, the new license conditions are below. These are the same as for Berkeley UNIX. It seems to me better for the users than GPL since there is no requirement to provide source code. MINIX is much smaller than Linux and might well be suitable as the operating system for a watch, camera, or transistor radio. The manufacturer of, say, a watch might really not want to provide a CD-ROM with the source code with each watch or even a web site with the source code, as being too much trouble. The new MINIX license says you can distribute source if you want to, but you don't have to. At this point, for most intents and purposes, MINIX is effectively no different than being in the public domain. You can do whatever you want with it. Sorry for the long delay. I had hoped this would happen earlier. As I mentioned before, there might well be an interesting future for MINIX on very low-end embedded devices where tiny size is important. What is also important is that MINIX is fairly modular. If you don't need the file system, just remove it. Andy Tanenbaum ast@cs.vu.nl ------------------------ New MINIX license -------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1987,1997, Prentice Hall All rights reserved. Redistribution and use of the MINIX operating system in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * Neither the name of Prentice Hall nor the names of the software authors or contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS, AUTHORS, AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL PRENTICE HALL OR ANY AUTHORS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. -- end of forwarded message -- original headers from newsgroup: From: Andy Tanenbaum Newsgroups: comp.os.minix Subject: MINIX license change Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:16:47 GMT Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8ckjjf$32f@cs.vu.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: logger.cs.vu.nl Summary: MINIX is now available under the BSD license Keywords: license X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) X-Poster-Key: sha1:Q7kzpXga5FnOdkLSqyyH5Hz9Mng= Cancel-Lock: sha1:4R6g5yDGEd9fh1D+8gGrOAxxLT8= Path: news!news.umass.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!ast -- +----------------------------------+ | Albert S. Woodhull | | Hampshire College, Amherst, MA | | awoodhull@hampshire.edu | | http://minix1.hampshire.edu/asw/ | +----------------------------------+ 94.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 8 10:24: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546F837B58A for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24639; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:47:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Marc Schneiders Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MINIX license change (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Marc Schneiders wrote: > For those who rejoice in "victories" of the BSD license: linux > precursor is now under it... :-) Now, the big question :) Is there any technological benefit to FreeBSD from this? I suspect not, but there you go :) J~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message