From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 8 18:42:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 538F837BA15 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 34828 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2000 01:42:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000509014237.34827.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 18:42:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: *BSD RULES! (especially if you *VOTE*) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:42:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: If you have not seen my previous emails asking for your vote for a native port of Java on *BSD at Sun's Java Developers Connection (JDC), please vote now (JDC membership is free) at: * http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html If you would like more information, please see: * http://www.freebsd.org/java If have voted already, THANK YOU. Did you know that you have 3 votes? (unethical? Hey I don't make the rules) Now for some statistics: Since my first message about 3 weeks ago, nearly 400 votes have been recorded for the Java on FreeBSD Request for Enhancement (RFE), an increase of 13.4%! Our RFE now has 4 times as many votes as the #2 RFE, and as many votes as the next 8. The more votes that we can get, the more powerful is the *BSD message to Sun. FYI: IBM has announced an "early release" of JDK 1.3 on Linux. Several *BSD friendly folks have started requesting a port of the IBM JDK in the discussion forum at: * http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/discussion?ReadForm&/forum/linuxjdk.nsf/discussion?createdocument (Look for "FreeBSD support" in the Linux-JDK-1.3.0 discussion list.) This will be my last "get out the vote" message for a while, as I think that I have reached most people who care to vote. Lastly, I would like to thank the FreeBSD Java porting team once again for their outstanding efforts. I, myself, am not a part of the java porting team, just a user who would like to use a native port and support the *BSD platform. John PS Please forward this message to any person, list, or organization that may want to support this effort. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 8 18:59:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0952F37BA7B for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21942; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: rab@pike.cdrom.com Subject: Magazine ads Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:00:17 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you read? -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 8 20: 9:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3CF37B878 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03132; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18223; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18217; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:09:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? You don't want the magazines we read, you have already hooked us. :) Try some more mainstream magazines like PCMagazine if it is affordable. Scientific American and stuff like that would be cool too. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 8 23: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C8537B8F8 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20017; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3917A9B4.50AA4C30@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 00:01:24 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Robert A. Bruce" wrote: > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? Embedded Systems Programming. Server/Workstation Expert, one of the last bastions of the UNIX-clueful. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 8 23:12: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCBE37BD5F for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e496hEE05193; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:43:14 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: James Howard Cc: "Robert A. Bruce" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000508234314.C4694@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@glue.umd.edu on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:09:11PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * James Howard [000508 20:41] wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > read? > > You don't want the magazines we read, you have already hooked us. :) > > Try some more mainstream magazines like PCMagazine if it is > affordable. Scientific American and stuff like that would be cool too. That's an excellent idea. I really can't think of any magazines, but I really can't recall seeing a FreeBSD advert as a banner anywhere. It would probably be a good idea to try to get into the service that does Slashdot's banners and perhaps some other techie websites (http://www.userfriendly.org, http://www.sluggy.com, http://www.dilbert.com (yes I'm a online comic reader)) Tom's hardware? I'd like to see a cute/crafty animated BSD banner up someplace soon. Maybe I just have bad luck with which banners they choose to show me? -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 4:26:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ramstind.gtf.ol.no (ramstind.gtf.ol.no [128.39.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E022837BE25 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 04:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by ramstind.gtf.ol.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA43908; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:26:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:26:37 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? How about Unix Review, if they are still in business? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trond Endrestøl | trond@gtf.ol.no Merkantilvegen 59HB7, | trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no N-2815 GJØVIK, NORWAY |+47 61139424 || +47 63874242 Patron of The Art of Computer Programming| FreeBSD 3.4 & Pine 4.21 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 4:29:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE0237BCC4 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20826; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:29:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200005091129.HAA20826@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= at "May 9, 2000 1:26:37 pm" To: trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?=) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rab@pike.cdrom.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > read? > How about Unix Review, if they are still in business? Unix Review is now web-only, and owned by the same folks who do SysAdmin and DrDobbs. I'd recommend some of the free trade rags, such as Internet World and Information Week. The readers are in BSDs core market. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 7:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4C937BE45 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA50835; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:15 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000509075015.A50803@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com>; from rab@pike.cdrom.com on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? How about Byte, which used to be a good techie magazine but has turned into just another shill for microsoft. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 9:59:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157FF37B760 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22148; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26320; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26316; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: Josef Grosch Cc: "Robert A. Bruce" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <20000509075015.A50803@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > read? > > How about Byte, which used to be a good techie magazine but has turned into > just another shill for microsoft. Byte sucks, they don't even do a print version in America anymore :( Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 10:39:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ED737B6EB for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e49IB3e20493; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:11:03 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000509111103.A19135@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com>; from rab@pike.cdrom.com on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Robert A. Bruce [000508 19:31] wrote: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? I just remembered one, I really shouldn't admit this, but I usually pick up Wired. :) I think getting some exposure where people haven't already heard of FreeBSD might also be a good idea. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 10:48:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3437BE7C for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id TAA26573; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:48:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12pE7F-0001TN-00 for ; Tue, 09 May 2000 19:48:17 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:48:17 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000509194816.B3654@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000509075015.A50803@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@glue.umd.edu on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:59:19PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:59:19PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Josef Grosch wrote: > > > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > > read? > > > > How about Byte, which used to be a good techie magazine but has turned into > > just another shill for microsoft. > > Byte sucks, they don't even do a print version in America anymore :( They do it here, but what does it buy us?:-))) How about some large European mags, like c't or iX from Heinz Heise publishing in Germany ? (http://www.heise.de/) They actually write about Free/OpenBSD every once in a while and the reader base is IMHO not bad an audience for us... just a thought, of course. Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 12:12:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC8437BEC0 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00532; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10658; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10654; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <20000509194816.B3654@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:59:19PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > > Byte sucks, they don't even do a print version in America anymore :( > > They do it here, but what does it buy us?:-))) How about some large European Uhm, I don't know. I think the Russian version often prints Unix and FreeBSD related material. They have picked more than one piece from DaemonNews in the past. (Off topic, they are picking up something I did for Rootprompt too, that rocks.) Anyway, yes, advertising in non-English media is a great idea. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 12:24: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4060137BF82 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id VAA00848; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:24:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12pFbe-0000Qq-00 for ; Tue, 09 May 2000 21:23:46 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:23:46 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000509212346.B1508@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000509194816.B3654@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@glue.umd.edu on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:12:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:12:28PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > > > Byte sucks, they don't even do a print version in America anymore :( > > > > They do it here, but what does it buy us?:-))) How about some large European > > Uhm, I don't know. I think the Russian version often prints Unix and > FreeBSD related material. They have picked more than one piece from > DaemonNews in the past. (Off topic, they are picking up something I did > for Rootprompt too, that rocks.) :-) You are lucky then. Here it even had a title page saying: "windows98: a weak youngster or a full-armored fighter? It is all you need for work and play." Now this sucks more than anything. Win98 as a full-armored fighter... well. I must say that we do not have any quality publications in Hungarian at the moment which is regrettable... Chip and PC World also are rather weak in their local versions. A lot of ads, no objective testing, windows-centered articles... lots of stuff for kids but almost nothing for sysadmins. Bad. That is why I buy c't instead... I hope they'll have the latest one tomorrow... Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 13:13: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oldserver.demon.nl (oldserver.demon.nl [212.238.105.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C12F37C2EA for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldserver.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00734; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:00:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:00:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Schneiders X-Sender: marc@unclad.freebeastie.org To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <20000509194816.B3654@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:59:19PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Josef Grosch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > > > read? > > > [...] > How about some large European > mags, like c't or iX from Heinz Heise publishing in Germany ? > (http://www.heise.de/) > I think c't is a good idea. There is also a Dutch version of c't, maybe other languages as well. > They actually write about Free/OpenBSD every once in a while and the reader > base is IMHO not bad an audience for us... just a thought, of course. > Haven't seen it in the Dutch version the last two years ... -- Marc Schneiders --- marc@venster.nl --- marc@vrijdom.com FreeBSD unclad.freebeastie.org 5.0-CURRENT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 13:17:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B137C097 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id WAA03557; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:14:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12pGOO-0000ep-00 for ; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:14:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:14:08 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000509221408.A2428@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20000509194816.B3654@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from marc@oldserver.demon.nl on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 10:00:12PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 10:00:12PM +0200, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > They actually write about Free/OpenBSD every once in a while and the reader > > base is IMHO not bad an audience for us... just a thought, of course. > > > > Haven't seen it in the Dutch version the last two years ... Well in the German edition they do articles... last was when 4.0 was out. It even featured a photo of a plush red BSD daemon figure. Neat!:-) Maybe they just need more info on what is new here? (they prefer German, of course.) They have a regular page devoted to Linux/Open Source in every issue... *hint*:-))))) Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 14:28:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1.free.fr (postfix1.free.fr [212.27.32.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AF537C1CB for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephane@libertysurf.fr) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (massy-2-11-68.dial.proxad.net [213.228.11.68]) by postfix1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA55282AA; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:27:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06678; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:27:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14616.33488.220170.827549@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:27:44 +0200 (CEST) To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, stephane@freebsd-fr.org From: stephane@freebsd-fr.org Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert A. Bruce writes: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? > Does it have to be only US magazines ? If not, there are some interesting magazines in France : - "Le Monde Informatique" (http://www.lmi.fr/) : read by computer professionals. Two very flattering (and unfortunately also very little) articles about FreeBSD have already been published in this review : http://www.lmi.fr/src/lmi/article/articleL.nsf/29218274bd4ff0ecc125677600303b39/2e1368bd83aa99b1c125687a0052b7fe?OpenDocument http://www.lmi.fr/c12565ef002d29ae/996ef68a9fd10db3c125669e00311b6a/d1e004841bd6acf0c125673800518e6a?OpenDocument - "Login:" (http://www.posse-press.com/login/) : less professional but devoted to "parallel" operating systems (Linux, BeOS, RiscOS...). They already have published a long article about *BSD systems with FreeBSD 3.1 on the cd-rom included with the review. - "Programmez!" : devoted to programming. There are several articles about Linux and open-source languages in each issue. They already have distributed OpenBSD, FreeBSD and PicoBSD on the cd-rom included with the review and they have published a short interview with David Greenman. Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 9 16:51:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78137BECF for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@perlguru.com) Received: from Reg ([203.164.24.4]) by mail.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000509235135.YWHI7578.mail.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au@Reg> for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:51:35 +1000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000510094723.00a87e00@briz.net> X-Sender: mike@perlguru.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:51:01 +1000 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Mike Subject: Re: Magazine ads In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of prospective FreeBSD >users? >What tech magazines do you read? [[ http://www.zdnet.com.au/pcweek/ ]] From an Australian perspective, PC Week is a weekly rag that comes free to most IT people. The marketing Coorinator is Johnathan Sonnenberg (Johnathan_Sonnenberg@zdapn.com.au) Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 10 0:40: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825A037B5CB for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@isy.liu.se) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4A7crx02611; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:38:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Micke Josefsson To: "Robert A. Bruce" Subject: RE: Magazine ads Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-May-00 Robert A. Bruce wrote: > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? > > -bob A parallell, but I think, equally interesting question is what is a suitable audience? 15-25 year olds have an inherent interest for new things and might well at least try FreeBSD out, above that age most people have settled down with family, house, whatever and simply don't have all that much spare time for playing around with a new OS. So among the 25+'s I imagine one should try to find more specific targets: sysadmins, schools, people who actually would benefit greatly from FreeBSD. To be fair, I do not think everybody would benefit from having FreeBSD on their table, but I do think that many who would benefit from using FreeBSD have not heard a word about it. I run a lab with some 20 boxes, windows of course, and setup a FreeBSD 2.1.7 server a mere month after I first installed it just out of curiosity. The server is now 3.4-STABLE and running as good as ever. I recently have managed to have dual-boot FreeBSD on half of the lab machines. I would have used FreeBSD earlier if I only have known it was there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sincere Cheers, Micke PS. I also believe that simply getting the FreeBSD or *BSD letter combinations known is of great importance. Everyone have heard the 'linux'-word but few have tried it out, well, out of the general public anyways. ---------------------------------- Michael Josefsson, MSEE mj@isy.liu.se This message was sent by XFMail running on FreeBSD 3.4 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 10 3:29:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gidora.zeta.org.au (gidora.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F1CB37B5C7 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 03:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrn@zeta.org.au) Received: (qmail 12693 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 10:29:33 -0000 Received: from ppp165.dyn145.pacific.net.au (HELO ska.bsn) (210.23.145.165) by gidora.zeta.org.au with SMTP; 10 May 2000 10:29:33 -0000 Received: (from andy@localhost) by ska.bsn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18100; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:36:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andy) Message-Id: <200005101036.UAA18100@ska.bsn> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:36:29 +1000 (EST) From: atrn@zeta.org.au Reply-To: atrn@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: Magazine ads To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What tech magazines do you read? IEEE Computer|Micro|CG&A|Transactions on Networking :), and others. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 10 11:56:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217F137B6A0 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24543; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3919B132.8B6EB936@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:57:54 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atrn@zeta.org.au Cc: "Robert A. Bruce" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads References: <200005101036.UAA18100@ska.bsn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG atrn@zeta.org.au wrote: > > > What tech magazines do you read? > > IEEE Computer|Micro|CG&A|Transactions on Networking :), and others. > ACM things - CACM and a few SIG magazines. ;login IEEE Computer might actually be a good choice. Maybe we can get Ted to write a column about us. Bill Gates & co. could use the break. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 10 17:32:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5A737BA5D for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25224; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA2iaynX; Wed May 10 17:31:57 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14228; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:32:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200005110032.RAA14228@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Magazine ads To: rab@pike.cdrom.com (Robert A. Bruce) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> from "Robert A. Bruce" at May 08, 2000 07:00:17 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > read? Penton's "Embedded Systems Development". There is also opportunity for sales of FreeBSD related articles to this magazine. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 10 23:26:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA637B5A7 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25805; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:26:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <391A52E3.92A6A8AF@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:27:47 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Robert A. Bruce" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads References: <200005110032.RAA14228@usr01.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines > > that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing > > SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > > > > What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of > > prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you > > read? > > Penton's "Embedded Systems Development". > > There is also opportunity for sales of FreeBSD related > articles to this magazine. Isn't this basically a front for the Wind River PR department? Or am I thinking of another itty bitty embedded rag? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 11 8:38:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C729837B574 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 08:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA05957; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12pv2l-0003ej-00 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:38:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:38:31 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD in c't 10/2000 Message-ID: <20000511173831.A12410@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everybody! The German mag c't is at it again: In its current edition (10/2000) on page 90 there is an article by Suzanne Schmidt titled: "FreeBSD the fourth". It is a rather well-written introductory piece about the OS, its installation and some of its capabilities (although the difference between CVS and cvsup did not make much sense to the author, I think.) Also she emphasizes the IPv6 stack, jail, linux ABI compatibility and softupdates, she says it worked even after 80 attempts of unclean shutdowns. Well.:-) Even the major differences between Linux and FreeBSD and the BSDL and GPL are highlighted. The article also tells about a German distribution by Fachbuchhandlung Lehmann which carries the international crypto by default and some German docs too. It says as the bottom line: "If you find Linux too boring, or like BSD better anyway or find the little and red BSD daemon sweeter than the Linux penguin, you should try the CD by Lehmann. FreeBSD does no worse than Linux in terms of functionality, stability and usability." A good attention-getter for FreeBSD overall, the pictures show off a piece of the dmesg output, a dir listing of the Ports Collection and the /etc/defaults/rc.conf file in an xterm. The article is not available online. Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 11 8:53:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC4F37B887 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgowdy@home.com) Received: from cx443070a ([24.4.93.90]) by mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000511155356.ONLD13130.mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com@cx443070a>; Thu, 11 May 2000 08:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bfbb61$2ade5960$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Jeremiah Gowdy" To: "Alexander Langer" , "Travis Cole" Cc: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" , References: <20000501183644.A75942@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000501221654.A20589@wcug.wwu.edu> <000f01bfb3f9$5db2f0e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> <20000502000316.A24887@wcug.wwu.edu> <20000502094046.B2489@cichlids.cichlids.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:54:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4132.2100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4132.2100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > #FreeBSD seems like a natural place to ask such a question since > > many project members spend time there. What the heck ? Is anyone else recieving repeats of these old messages ? This thread is dead. Please don't foreward or post the old flames. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 11 13:48:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AE537B7F2; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA47374; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in c't 10/2000 In-Reply-To: <20000511173831.A12410@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 11 May 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > the BSDL and GPL are highlighted. The article also tells about a German > distribution by > Fachbuchhandlung Lehmann which carries the international crypto by default > and some German docs too. It says as the bottom line: Cool, it's great that someone is doing this! (International crypto release) Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 11 23:35:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from njord.bart.nl (njord.bart.nl [194.158.170.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DB637B9BC for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@lucifer.is.an.elder.of.the.ninth-circle.org [195.38.216.226]) by njord.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e4C6YsK30075; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:34:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA85830; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:22:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:22:43 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Magazine ads Message-ID: <20000512082243.B78993@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200005090200.TAA21942@pike.cdrom.com>; from rab@pike.cdrom.com on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:00:17PM -0700 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000509 04:02], Robert A. Bruce (rab@pike.cdrom.com) wrote: >We are thinking of expanding the number of magazines >that we advertise FreeBSD in. Right now we are doing >SysAdmin, DrDobbs, LinuxJournal, and LinuxMagazine. > >What other magazines are likely to be read by a lot of >prospective FreeBSD users? What tech magazines do you >read? BSD gets mentioned a lot in papers in the ACM/IEEE community. So advertising in the periodicals of those communities might help as well. Think of IEEE's Computer, Network, etc. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Sometimes things stare us in the face and we are too blind to see... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 12 7:29:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C785937BDBD for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (deepspace9.dcds.edu [207.231.151.2]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA89453; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 110601A07; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:47:25 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Jeremiah Gowdy Cc: Alexander Langer , Travis Cole , "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC Message-ID: <20000511124724.L393@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <20000501183644.A75942@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000501221654.A20589@wcug.wwu.edu> <000f01bfb3f9$5db2f0e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> <20000502000316.A24887@wcug.wwu.edu> <20000502094046.B2489@cichlids.cichlids.com> <002001bfbb61$2ade5960$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <002001bfbb61$2ade5960$0100a8c0@mshome.net>; from jgowdy@home.com on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:54:18AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:54:18AM -0700, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > > #FreeBSD seems like a natural place to ask such a question since > > > many project members spend time there. > > What the heck ? Is anyone else recieving repeats of these old messages ? > This thread is dead. Please don't foreward or post the old flames. Your mail server(s) and/or hub.FreeBSD.org probably had a little backlog. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 12 17:31:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2D37BD7D for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23563; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAsVai.T; Fri May 12 17:30:07 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24340; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:30:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200005130030.RAA24340@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Magazine ads To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:30:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), rab@pike.cdrom.com (Robert A. Bruce), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <391A52E3.92A6A8AF@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at May 11, 2000 12:27:47 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Penton's "Embedded Systems Development". > > > > There is also opportunity for sales of FreeBSD related > > articles to this magazine. > > Isn't this basically a front for the Wind River PR department? Or am > I thinking of another itty bitty embedded rag? I keep seeing Linux ads, and the most recent one had a Salutation article; both of them are antithetical to Wind River Systems. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message