From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 6:55:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from surfree.net.il (mail.surfree.net.il [212.3.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 848B137B839 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rosti@surfree.net.il) Received: From [surfree.net.il 212.3.218.19] By SuperMail at surfree.net.il with SMTP; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:52:41 +0200 GMT Message-ID: <3968921B.6861F330@surfree.net.il> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:54:19 +0200 From: rosti@surfree.net.il X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD installation documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. In your http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page you have a number of links to some of FreeBSD tutorials including "FreeBSD 2.2.7 Installation Details for Newbies". I want to inform you that this link is old and practically not actual now. I suggest to change it from http://people.FreeBSD.org/~rpratt/227/ to http://people.FreeBSD.org/~rpratt/ and the title of it to something like this: "Install Previews for FreeBSD 2.2.x, 3.x and 4.0". Good luck. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 8:20: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6BE37B844; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA49880; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007091520.IAA49880@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dgilbert@velocet.ca, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 9 08:17:09 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: I wonder why _I_ can do such queries. If I use "alex", it shows some of my PR's and also some of other people, such as Alexey Foo However, dgilbert did not appear in the query, correct. Maybe it has not been received by GNATS. Did you receive a confirmation? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19604 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 10:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE08637B6CD; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F70F137F19; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA75113; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:42:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14696.47499.271090.981884@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:42:35 -0400 (EDT) To: alex@FreeBSD.org Cc: dgilbert@velocet.ca, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly In-Reply-To: <200007091520.IAA49880@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200007091520.IAA49880@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "alex" == alex writes: alex> If I use "alex", it shows some of my PR's and also some of other alex> people, such as Alexey Foo alex> However, dgilbert did not appear in the query, correct. alex> Maybe it has not been received by GNATS. Did you receive a alex> confirmation? alex> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19604 Yes I did. The PR kern/19604 is not only there, but we've had several back-and-forth rounds of discussion on it. dgilbert clearly appears is about a dozen FreeBSD PR's ... both open and closed... but the search form does not bring it up. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 11: 5:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-84-30.bellatlantic.net [207.68.84.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAC037B569 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@subdimension.com) Received: from subdimension.com (dannyboy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07408; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:03:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@subdimension.com) Message-ID: <3968BE88.615D8DDC@subdimension.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:03:52 -0400 From: Daniel Harris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rosti@surfree.net.il Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation documentation References: <3968921B.6861F330@surfree.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rosti@surfree.net.il wrote: > practically not actual now. I suggest to change it from > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~rpratt/227/ to > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~rpratt/ and the title of it to something like > this: "Install Previews for FreeBSD 2.2.x, 3.x and 4.0". Actually, I came across that this very morning. I've changed the link to .../~rpratt/ and the title to "FreeBSD Installation Details for Newbies," since it covers most all versions of FreeBSD that a newbie is likely to stumble upon. I'll be committing the change momentarily. Thanks! -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 11:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD0537B976 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA67587; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007091820.LAA67587@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: David Gilbert Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Reply-To: David Gilbert Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19604; it has been noted by GNATS. From: David Gilbert To: alex@FreeBSD.org Cc: dgilbert@velocet.ca, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:42:35 -0400 (EDT) >>>>> "alex" == alex writes: alex> If I use "alex", it shows some of my PR's and also some of other alex> people, such as Alexey Foo alex> However, dgilbert did not appear in the query, correct. alex> Maybe it has not been received by GNATS. Did you receive a alex> confirmation? alex> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19604 Yes I did. The PR kern/19604 is not only there, but we've had several back-and-forth rounds of discussion on it. dgilbert clearly appears is about a dozen FreeBSD PR's ... both open and closed... but the search form does not bring it up. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 9 11:30:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C61037B688 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA68020; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007091830.LAA68020@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19604; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff To: alex@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dgilbert@velocet.ca Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:23:44 +0200 [BCCed to freebsd-gnats-submit to get it archived] On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 08:20:01AM -0700, alex@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > I wonder why _I_ can do such queries. Your username is a substring of your first name and the query is not case-sensitive. send-pr uses the first part of the GCOS field (full name) as default value for Originator. Most people don't change the value. If you query the PR database, the search string will be matched against this value. [send-pr 3.2 on -current] The confusion is caused by the output of the search script: it reports the contents of the mail's From: field as "originator". In David's case, searching for gilbert, david gilbert or any substring of it will display his PRs. Somebody should fix query-pr.cgi to a) report the "real" originator b) report "Sent in by: " instead of "Originator:" c) both. This could be useful to deal with PRs sent in by organisations. 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The latest news stories from England. http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?999 The Royal Family - see Buckingham Palace and the Crown Jewels http://www.royal.gov.uk/ ************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 2:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C6837C53A for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA84173; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id AEDD037B77E; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000710092006.AEDD037B77E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: B.Candler@pobox.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19818 >Category: docs >Synopsis: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 10 02:30:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brian Candler >Release: 4.0-20000623-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD t1-noc.t1.isocws.isoc.org 4.0-20000623-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-20000623-STABLE #0: Sun Jul 9 12:15:28 GMT 2000 root@t1-noc.t1.isocws.isoc.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/T1-NOC.v2 i386 >Description: sysinstall.8 man page is not in distribution; need to dig install sources to find it under /usr/src/release/sysinstall/ >How-To-Repeat: Install FreeBSD. Type "man sysinstall". >Fix: Include sysinstall.8 along with the other manpages >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 2:58:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D853337C5A1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13BaJ8-000NcW-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:56:58 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:56:58 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: index of packages Message-ID: <20000710115658.A90720@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <3963E8C1.6BC38EC2@kasey.umkc.edu> <20000706183846.F233@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000706183846.F233@parish>; from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org on Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 06:38:46PM +0100 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-07-06 (18:38), Mark Ovens wrote: > You mean like: > > % src ypserv > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ypserv > % > > The script that does this, src, I wrote myself. You can get it from > http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org near the top of the page. > > > If I had my freebsd CD mounted I could just do a find, but I don't, > > It is written assuming that the source is installed on the local HD > which it seems you haven't done, but if you just edit the line > > source=/usr/src > > to the equivalent path on your mounted CD it should work. Does this use whereis(1)? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 3:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D59337B560; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA99690; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007101042.DAA99690@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18709: getch ncurses man page confuses noecho and echo. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: getch ncurses man page confuses noecho and echo. State-Changed-From-To: suspended->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Mon Jul 10 03:41:24 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: ncurses 5.1 prerelease, now in both HEAD and RELENG_4, fixes this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18709 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 7:26:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5BF37B622 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30527; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:26:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lowell) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: handbook in doc distribution Date: 10 Jul 2000 10:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: <444s5yuklv.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just noticed (just after telling someone otherwise on the -stable list) that the handbook isn't in the doc distribution. At least, not on: ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.0-20000710-STABLE/doc Several of the .TXT files in the upper directory claim that the handbook *is* installed in /usr/share/doc "if you've installed the doc distribution." Am I missing something obvious here, or is something confused? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 7:35:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lavender.sanpei.org (ppp163.dialup.st.keio.ac.jp [131.113.27.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557B637BB1C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sanpei@sanpei.org) Received: (from sanpei@localhost) by lavender.sanpei.org (8.9.3/3.7W) id XAA02294; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:34:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200007101434.XAA02294@lavender.sanpei.org> To: jruigrok@via-net-works.nl Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: sanpei@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18177 [Patch] print message was wrong about PC-Card irq in sysinstall In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 2000 13:42:39 +0200" References: <20000529134239.P57936@lucifer.bart.nl> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:34:42 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven >>>Synopsis: [Patch] print message was wrong about PC-Card irq in sysinstall >>> >>>State-Changed-From-To: open->closed >>>State-Changed-By: asmodai >>>State-Changed-When: Wed May 24 08:13:00 PDT 2000 >>>State-Changed-Why: >>>Committed by jkoshy in rev 1.11 >> >> Thanks for your respond, but this change was not MFC-ed into >>4-stable and 3-stable. >> >> I hope to fix this problem also in those stable branches. > >They will be MFC'd when I come across them. > >I review diffs between CURRENT, 4-STABLE and 3-STABLE every week. But nobody MFC above problem into 4/3-stable. I hope to fix this problem before 4.1-RELEASE. And now I become FreeBSD committer. So may I fix this changes? Cheers. --- MIHIRA Sanpei Yoshiro Yokohama, Japan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 7:50:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9432E37B653; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.ninth-circle.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA94401; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:50:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:50:24 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: sanpei@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18177 [Patch] print message was wrong about PC-Card irq in sysinstall Message-ID: <20000710165024.C44199@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000529134239.P57936@lucifer.bart.nl> <200007101434.XAA02294@lavender.sanpei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007101434.XAA02294@lavender.sanpei.org>; from sanpei@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 11:34:42PM +0900 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000710 16:40], sanpei@FreeBSD.org (sanpei@FreeBSD.org) wrote: > But nobody MFC above problem into 4/3-stable. I hope to fix this >problem before 4.1-RELEASE. And now I become FreeBSD committer. So >may I fix this changes? Be my guest. =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl ``...by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it.'' -- Russ Albery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 9:54:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF14A37B6BE for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.89.70]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000710175412.JMOC3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:54:12 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01450; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:54:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:54:45 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: index of packages Message-ID: <20000710175445.A237@parish> References: <3963E8C1.6BC38EC2@kasey.umkc.edu> <20000706183846.F233@parish> <20000710115658.A90720@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000710115658.A90720@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 11:56:58AM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 11:56:58AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Thu 2000-07-06 (18:38), Mark Ovens wrote: > > You mean like: > > > > % src ypserv > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ypserv > > % > > > > The script that does this, src, I wrote myself. You can get it from > > http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org near the top of the page. > > > > > If I had my freebsd CD mounted I could just do a find, but I don't, > > > > It is written assuming that the source is installed on the local HD > > which it seems you haven't done, but if you just edit the line > > > > source=/usr/src > > > > to the equivalent path on your mounted CD it should work. > > Does this use whereis(1)? > No. > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > Sunesi Clinical Systems > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 11: 0:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1B237B66C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA76377 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007101800.LAA76377@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/06/28] docs/19565 doc /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html dis f [2000/06/30] docs/19604 doc Web query interface doesn't search or Ori 2 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [1999/11/03] docs/14682 doc lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari o [1999/12/10] docs/15408 doc Description of ls and nlist wrong in man o [2000/02/23] docs/16934 doc anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers o [2000/03/18] docs/17470 doc Missing man page: pthread_yield f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/10] docs/17916 doc [PATCH] rewrite of cutting-edge section o o [2000/04/26] docs/18243 doc wrong description of -p option in sh(1) m o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/12] docs/18520 doc kbdcontrol manpage incomplete o [2000/05/16] docs/18592 doc amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOP o [2000/05/16] docs/18593 doc VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/05/19] docs/18679 doc Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.Fre o [2000/05/24] docs/18792 doc date man page has misleading description o [2000/05/25] docs/18807 doc No documentation for source upgrades o [2000/05/29] docs/18880 doc date.1: merge in OpenBSD enhancements o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/09] docs/19163 doc stf manual and kernel mismatch o [2000/06/14] docs/19262 doc Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? o [2000/06/20] docs/19401 doc Change attribution of the 'yes command' o [2000/06/22] docs/19438 doc clarification of umount -t option o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/06/25] docs/19507 doc Mailing-list search at www.freebsd.org re o [2000/06/29] docs/19583 doc [patch] Fix typos in RELENG_4 README.TXT o [2000/06/30] docs/19602 doc Typo in sigaction(2) manual page o [2000/07/02] docs/19647 doc Still references to sd devices left o [2000/07/02] docs/19648 doc handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, o [2000/07/10] docs/19818 doc /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing 34 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 11: 5:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (luna.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2399337B77B for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 576FB316F; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:05:54 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: "Thomas M. Sommers" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Revisited Message-ID: <20000710110553.B42368@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000707140945.A3105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> <3966A765.4DA26D85@mail.ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: <3966A765.4DA26D85@mail.ptd.net>; from tms2@mail.ptd.net on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 12:00:37AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 at 00:00:37 -0400, Thomas M. Sommers wrote: > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I got a bunch of feedback from my last post about the New User's > > Handbook, I took some (well, most) of your suggestions and have > > just build the newest version of it. The source is available at > > http://soupnazi.org/~jim/FreeBSD/newuser.tgz, and the HTML output > > is available at http://soupnazi.org/~jim/FreeBSD/newuser-handbook/. > > > > I have the UNIX Basics stuff in tags for now so > > it's not built. If it's decided that it should be kept out of this > > book and put into it's own, I'll remove the entire chunk before I > > commit it. > > > > Comments? > > The first line of chapter 3 refers to the goals section, which has > been moved to chapter 1. Whoops, fixed. > The links in chapter 5 to the handbook and faq don't work on my > system. Perhaps I installed things wrong, but they are in > /usr/share/doc/en/books, not /usr/share/doc; and `faq' is in lower > case. The actual links were wrong, but the locations are correct (at least, installing the docs through sysinstall). They should be /usr/share/doc/handbook/index.html and /usr/share/doc/faq/index.html, which I've changed them to. > In chapter 6, do you want to include these links: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/bsd/ > http://www.bsdtoday.com/ Done. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 12:15: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (luna.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4AC37BA0E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4487F316F; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:58 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: New User's Handbook Part III Message-ID: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok folks, After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few errors that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the New User's Handbook . There are a few things of note: o The content in Chapter 5 - About the Current Release is in need of updating. If someone would like to go through it and do that, it would be very much appreciated. o The stylesheets aren't displaying anything in the ... tags. After the discussion about dating the documentation that occurred at the end of May on list, I decided to take one of Nik's suggestions and implement it when I started working on this. The problem is, the stylesheets need to be tweaked in order to render it. I have this on my todo list, but if someone with more stylesheet clue than myself wants to take it on, please do so. I think that's about it. Unless someone sees any blatant errors or comes screaming that this shouldn't be committed, I'm going to do so tomorrow morning. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 12:34:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911F37BD4C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lowell@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (lowell@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13692; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19122; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007101934.PAA19122@world.std.com> From: Lowell Gilbert To: jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20000710120207.A42920@luna.osd.bsdi.com> (message from Jim Mock on Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:02:07 -0700) Subject: Re: handbook in doc distribution References: <444s5yuklv.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> <20000710120207.A42920@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:02:07 -0700 From: Jim Mock On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 at 10:26:52 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > I just noticed (just after telling someone otherwise on the -stable > list) that the handbook isn't in the doc distribution. At least, not > on: > ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.0-20000710-STABLE/doc Eh? ncftp ...86/4.0-20000710-STABLE > pwd ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.0-20000710-STABLE/ ncftp ...86/4.0-20000710-STABLE > ls doc CHECKSUM.MD5 doc.ac doc.af doc.mtree doc.aa doc.ad doc.ag install.sh doc.ab doc.ae doc.inf ncftp ...86/4.0-20000710-STABLE > If you look inside those files, you will see that the handbook isn't in the tarball. Really: $ ls CHECKSUM.MD5 doc.ac doc.af doc.mtree doc.aa doc.ad doc.ag install.sh doc.ab doc.ae doc.inf $ cat doc.??|tar -tzf -|grep -i handbook $ > Several of the .TXT files in the upper directory claim that the > handbook *is* installed in /usr/share/doc "if you've installed the doc > distribution." Am I missing something obvious here, or is something > confused? It is. Fire up /stand/sysinstall and choose Configure, Distributions, doc, and they docs will be installed into /usr/share/doc. I *know* how to install distributions. I said that the handbook wasn't *in* the distribution. As I said in my original message, I thought that the handbook was *supposed* to be in there, and I was *surprised* that it wasn't. Thanks for trying to respond, but you really haven't addressed the issue I was worried about. Be well. Lowell Gilbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 12:47:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE89037B563; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA93809; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007101947.MAA93809@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19602: Typo in sigaction(2) manual page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in sigaction(2) manual page Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 10 12:46:23 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I think I'll have this one. (I've got to start somewhere.) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19602 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 14:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C0D37B515 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA06164; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007102110.OAA06164@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19648: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19648; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: jblaine@mitre.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19648: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:21:54 +0100 --WplhKdTI2c8ulnbP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jblaine@mitre.org wrote: > Remove the following paragraph from the appropriate handbook section: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say kernel.debug, > and then run strip -g on the original. Install the original as > normal. You may also install the unstripped kernel, but symbol table > lookup time for some programs will drastically increase, and since the > whole kernel is loaded entirely at boot time and cannot be swapped out > later, several megabytes of physical memory will be wasted. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Then people with FreeBSD 3.x or earlier will lose that advice... How about something like this instead: --- chapter.sgml 2000/06/14 00:47:36 1.24 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/07/10 20:19:07 @@ -48,7 +48,10 @@ releases. =20 - When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say + If you are using any version of FreeBSD older than 4.0-RELEASE, + you should install a stripped copy of the kernel, rather than the + significantly larger debug copy. + When the kernel has been built, make a copy of it, say kernel.debug, and then run strip -g on the original. Install the original as normal. You may also install the unstripped kernel, but symbol table lookup time= for Is the bit about wasting space still even true? I thought with ELF this situation had improved a bit. Anyone know? --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --WplhKdTI2c8ulnbP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: ZCSnMwlYjEoiBfaTeicypkOsiYblncsm iQCVAwUBOWowYSsPVtiZOS99AQEFGAP+K5y9kT4mxDC6emURh5rIltKkmx0wkVah R5q6ezQPd1ut1pwzR8ymsIYWJ0ng9QteHblmZ92UqzepooEmCFK2BxBzrZFGADFB Tyc53IbPTKb4u4lF/3a88ro3G7SH6+5xb6HzNZ9xCchtDTICiROfXC5RqkIyaf8S HGtRgFAqUNM= =u7Y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WplhKdTI2c8ulnbP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 14:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A8E37B63A for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA06169; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007102110.OAA06169@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19648: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19648; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: jblaine@mitre.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19648: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:28 +0100 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben Smithurst wrote: > - When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say > + If you are using any version of FreeBSD older than 4.0-RELEASE, > + you should install a stripped copy of the kernel, rather than the > + significantly larger debug copy. > + When the kernel has been built, make a copy of it, say Grr. That's not what I meant, you still use the stripped copy on 4.0, you just don't strip it yourself. Something like this would actually make more sense: --- chapter.sgml 2000/06/14 00:47:36 1.24 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/07/10 20:37:40 @@ -48,9 +48,12 @@ releases. =20 - When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say + When the kernel has been built, make a copy of it, say kernel.debug, and then run strip - -g on the original. Install the original as normal. You + -g on the original. Install the original as normal. + Note that from FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE onwards, these two steps are + performed automatically, so you should not execute them yourself. + On all FreeBSD releases, you may also install the unstripped kernel, but symbol table lookup time= for some programs will drastically increase, and since the whole kernel = is loaded entirely at boot time and cannot be swapped out later, several --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: cmWSXIq9pIwtYO/TAjNdCsbAkMTmBwim iQCVAwUBOWo0QysPVtiZOS99AQFy5wP/TAIYG/ddNT9KBMeToec/yt22tr8No55c a4pr8ieuu7DzukDbkk868sS655CBcEMQf8tbU2VJ5TiR46d5sI9EaCY0GjA2/FPd vgoBaBvb3zaOLwzu5h0tURHbWcoe4OIG25EFvQB469MBLmSH7wqq0P0dPVwWR2o1 Iyy1C1+cdhA= =Xw6F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 14:25: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (alemail1.lucent.com [192.11.221.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57E437B992 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwg@lucent.com) Received: from alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25782 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ci1093exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-252-12-239.lucent.com [135.252.12.239]) by alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25762 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CI1093EXCH001P with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:24:47 +0800 Message-ID: <2E132B78C846D3118F1A0008C7AABBD3522477@CI1093EXCH001U> From: "Gao, Wen Gan (Wen Gan)" To: "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Help to explain the warning message "pmap_collect:collecting pv e ntries-- suggestincreasing PMAP_SHPGERPROC" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:24:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am freeBSD new comer, do something accorting to the "FreeBSD Handbook", Got a warning message " "pmap_collect:collecting pv entries-- suggest increasing PMAP_SHPGERPROC" what's this meaning, how can I fix this problem? Thanks Best regards. Clark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 15:16:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE4037BA6A; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA14952; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007102216.PAA14952@freefall.freebsd.org> To: howardjp@wam.umd.edu, wosch@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18679: Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.FreeBSD.org/44doc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.FreeBSD.org/44doc/ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: wosch State-Changed-When: Mon Jul 10 15:16:27 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18679 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 17:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF6B37B614 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA29628; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110020.RAA29628@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19262: Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19262; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: nokubi@ff.iij4u.or.jp Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19262: Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:15:00 +0100 nokubi@ff.iij4u.or.jp wrote: > Because I'm not native English speaker, I'm not sure about this. > But I have strange feeling about fsync.2 and sync.2 NAME section. > They say like this: > fsync - synchronize a file's in-core state with that on disk > sync - synchronize disk block in-core status with that on disk > > I think that fsync(2) and sync(2) write changes from memory to disk. > But these sentences make me feel like that they read from disk > to memory and discard changes. Yes, I see what you mean... > SUSV2 saids like this: > fsync - synchronise changes to a file > sync - schedule filesystem updates They seem a bit short to me, but I can't seem to come up with any wording that I like. :-( fsync - write all in-core changes of a file to disk sync - schedule an update of all modified filesystem data to disk ?? Are they better? Anyone care to comment? -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 18: 3:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [32.97.166.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B66837BA12; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mick3@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net ([166.72.155.231]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000071101024624303foa33e>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:02:47 +0000 Message-ID: <396A7276.C845886E@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:03:50 -0700 From: John Michelini X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Smithurst , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19262: Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? References: <200007110020.RAA29628@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The new versions are more descriptive. I am not 100% familiar with the fsync and sync processes yet, and cannot comment on the accuracy of the definition, but from a newbie perspective, the newer descriptions have more exposition. I hope this is useful to you. John Michelini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 18:33:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645D737B570 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mathemajikian@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.21.227.202]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000711013353.CQVY13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:33:53 -0700 Message-ID: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:35:37 -0500 From: Jesse W Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Documentation Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi my name is Jesse W Scott. I am wanting to join and help out with the documentation project that seems to really need alittle more help. I would like to know what I need to fill out to join and what I can do to help. I am in college and have taken all of my english courses and am very good and technical writing in detail. So if you think I might be of any help please let me know. Thanks, Jesse W Scott 1-225-752-1399 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 18:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB90F37B7B3 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA39221; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110150.SAA39221@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net, asmodai@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:42:16 +0100 The man page now says: -r Print out the date and time that is seconds from the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). I'm not sure when this was changed, but is that any better? I don't really like it because it's not valid English really, although it makes more sense in the real manpage because _seconds_ is underlined. Still, I'd prefer the following: --- date.1 2000/06/28 09:20:06 1.39 +++ date.1 2000/07/11 01:32:00 @@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ .Nm date .Op Fl jnu .Op Fl d Ar dst -.Op Fl r Ar seconds +.Op Fl r Ar sec .Op Fl t Ar minutes_west .Oo .Fl v @@ -113,7 +113,8 @@ from setting the time for other than the current machine. .It Fl r Print out the date and time that is -.Ar seconds +.Ar sec +seconds from the Epoch .Po 00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; So you'll get SYNOPSIS date ... [-r sec] ... ... -r Print out the date and time that is _sec_ seconds ... Is that ok? If Jeroen (my mentor) approves this and no-one objects then I'll commit it. If people think the current text is fine I'll just close the PR. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 18:50: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0F37B940 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA39226; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110150.SAA39226@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/15408: Description of ls and nlist wrong in man page for ftp Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/15408; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: inwap@best.com Subject: Re: docs/15408: Description of ls and nlist wrong in man page for ftp Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:58:21 +0100 > 2) Change the docs to show that 'ls' is different from 'nlist'. > > Update the man page, so that the paragraph on 'dir' includes > a statement how 'dir' differs from 'nlist'. I'd rather the other way around, but I don't feel strongly either way. It already explains that 'dir' returns system-dependent information. How about adding something like this to the 'nlist' description: Note that this command only returns the filenames in the remote directory. If you wish to see more information about the files (often size, modification time, and so on) use the dir command instead. Perhaps something could be added to the 'dir' description too: If you want a plain list of files, with no extra information, use the nlist command instead. ok? > Replace the paragraph on > 'ls' with "ls [remote-directory [local-file]]\nA synonym for dir." > Move the old description of 'ls' to 'nlist'. That's easy... > Make it clear that, according to the RFC, this command returns > a list of files on the remote machine, explictly excluding the > names of any subdirectories in the remote directory. (The > wu-ftpd-2.6.0 server enforces this.) What do you mean by "this command"? The "nlist" client command? The NLST server command? Either way, I don't see subdirectories excluded: ftp> ls ---> PORT 192,168,91,33,192,13 200 PORT command successful. ---> LIST 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. total 12 d--x--x--x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:14 bin d--x--x--x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:18 etc drwxrwx-wt 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:13 incoming drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Aug 11 1999 local drwxr-xr-x 39 root bin 1024 Jul 10 01:34 packages drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:38 pub 226 Transfer complete. ftp> dir ---> PORT 192,168,91,33,192,14 200 PORT command successful. ---> LIST 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. total 12 d--x--x--x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:14 bin d--x--x--x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:18 etc drwxrwx-wt 2 root wheel 512 Apr 5 19:13 incoming drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Aug 11 1999 local drwxr-xr-x 39 root bin 1024 Jul 10 01:34 packages drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:38 pub 226 Transfer complete. ftp> nlist ---> PORT 192,168,91,33,192,15 200 PORT command successful. ---> NLST 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. bin etc incoming local packages pub 226 Transfer complete. Am I misunderstanding something? The server in question is running wu-ftpd-2.6.0. Could you explain what should be happening a bit better? thanks, -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 19:14:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F15A37BAF4 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Received: (qmail 12863539 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 02:14:25 -0000 Received: from r224m65.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.224.65]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2000 02:14:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01277; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:14:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:14:24 +0200 (CEST) To: jim@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Part III References: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: clefevre@citeweb.net X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C From: Cyrille Lefevre Date: 11 Jul 2000 04:14:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jim Mock's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:58 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock writes: > After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few errors > that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the New User's > Handbook . > > There are a few things of note: > > o The content in Chapter 5 - About the Current Release > is > in need of updating. If someone would like to go through it and > do that, it would be very much appreciated. in page : http://soupnazi.org/~jim/FreeBSD/newuser-handbook/nutshell.html what about replacing the "Obtaining FreeBSD" link (at the end of the page) : http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html by "Availability of FreeBSD" : http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html which have links to the kandbook, the supported configurations and the mirror pages above ? Cyrille. -- home:mailto:clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net Supprimer "%no-spam" pour me repondre. work:mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre%no-spam@edf.fr Remove "%no-spam" to answer me back. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 20: 5:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CFF37B831 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CD5E3185; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:05:28 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: clefevre@citeweb.net Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Part III Message-ID: <20000710200528.A18813@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: ; from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:14:23AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 at 04:14:23 +0200, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > Jim Mock writes: > > > After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few > > errors that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the > > New User's Handbook > > . > > > > There are a few things of note: > > > > o The content in Chapter 5 - About the Current Release > > > > is in need of updating. If someone would like to go through > > it and do that, it would be very much appreciated. > > in page : > > http://soupnazi.org/~jim/FreeBSD/newuser-handbook/nutshell.html > > what about replacing the "Obtaining FreeBSD" link (at the end of the > page) : > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html > > by "Availability of FreeBSD" : > > http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html > > which have links to the kandbook, the supported configurations and > the mirror pages above ? Done. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 20:27: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.atlantic.net (mail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FE137BB75; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bobj@atlantic.net) Received: from bsd.cisi.com (ocalflifanb-as-1-r1-ip-409.atlantic.net [209.208.29.155]) by mail.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23745; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:58 -0400 Received: from nancy.cisi.com (nancy.cisi.com [192.168.0.131]) by bsd.cisi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA34530; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:25:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bobj@atlantic.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000710232501.00b2e9c0@rio.atlantic.net> X-Sender: bobj@rio.atlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:25:01 -0400 To: Ben Smithurst , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bob Johnson Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option In-Reply-To: <200007110150.SAA39221@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I prefer your version. My PR originally used _seconds_ to match the synopsis, but I agree that it is better to change the synopsis to match your improved wording. -- Bob At 06:50 PM 07/10/2000 -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: >The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. > >From: Ben Smithurst >To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net, > asmodai@FreeBSD.org >Cc: >Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:42:16 +0100 > > The man page now says: > > -r Print out the date and time that is seconds from the Epoch > (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). > > I'm not sure when this was changed, but is that any better? I don't > really like it because it's not valid English really, although it makes > more sense in the real manpage because _seconds_ is underlined. Still, > I'd prefer the following: > > --- date.1 2000/06/28 09:20:06 1.39 > +++ date.1 2000/07/11 01:32:00 > @@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ > .Nm date > .Op Fl jnu > .Op Fl d Ar dst > -.Op Fl r Ar seconds > +.Op Fl r Ar sec > .Op Fl t Ar minutes_west > .Oo > .Fl v > @@ -113,7 +113,8 @@ > from setting the time for other than the current machine. > .It Fl r > Print out the date and time that is > -.Ar seconds > +.Ar sec > +seconds > from the Epoch > .Po > 00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; > > So you'll get > > SYNOPSIS > date ... [-r sec] ... > > ... > > -r Print out the date and time that is _sec_ seconds ... > > Is that ok? If Jeroen (my mentor) approves this and no-one objects then > I'll commit it. If people think the current text is fine I'll just > close the PR. > > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > +-------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Johnson | bobj@atlantic.net +-------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 22:43:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (p58.stsn.com [12.23.74.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B137BD74 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02265; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:32:21 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:32:21 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Alfred Breull Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: small errata Message-ID: <20000710193221.D351@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <395A25DB.7540@mh-hannover.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <395A25DB.7540@mh-hannover.de>; from breull.alf@mh-hannover.de on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:20:43AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:20:43AM -0700, Alfred Breull wrote: > There is a small error at > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-guide.html#INSTALL-MSDOS > > Wrong: > C:\> xcopy /s e:\bin c:\FreeBSD\bin\ > C:\> xcopy /s e:\manpages c:\FreeBSD\manpages\ > > Correct: > C:\> xcopy e:\bin c:\FreeBSD\bin\ /s > C:\> xcopy e:\manpages c:\FreeBSD\manpages\ /s > > MS-DOS requires the options at the end. Thanks. I'll be committing this fix shortly. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 22:45:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (p58.stsn.com [12.23.74.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD10137B588 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00536; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:19:58 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:19:57 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: ftp administrator Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mirror list are not the same on handbook and bsd floppies Message-ID: <20000710191956.A351@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000708165926.A62592@ftp.ee.ncku.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000708165926.A62592@ftp.ee.ncku.edu.tw>; from ftpadm@ftp.ee.ncku.edu.tw on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:59:26PM +0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:59:26PM +0800, ftp administrator wrote: > I am ftpadm of ftp4.tw.FreeBSD.org which is registered as > FreeBSD mirror site and already listed on Handbook > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html#MIRRORS-TW > > But when I install the FreeBSD from network with floppies, Ican not > find our site in the mirror site list. > > I guess the mirror list on bsd floppeis is not so up to date as the > one on the handbook. Would you please tell me who should I concact with > to make our site been listed on install floppy? Ideally Jordan Hubbard, with a patch (or use send-pr so it gets tracked properly). I've done this for you, and contacted Jordan to get this added though. Thanks for letting us know. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 22:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9186C37B588 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA70749; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110550.WAA70749@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19818; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: B.Candler@pobox.com, jkh@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:28:50 +0000 --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Jordan, On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 02:20:06AM -0700, B.Candler@pobox.com wrote: > >Number: 19818 > >Synopsis: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing > >Originator: Brian Candler > > sysinstall.8 man page is not in distribution; need to dig install > sources to find it under /usr/src/release/sysinstall/ This is right. Is there any reason we don't do this? Otherwise, the attached patch should do it. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/sysinstall/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.95 diff -u -r1.95 Makefile --- Makefile 2000/06/05 13:17:22 1.95 +++ Makefile 2000/07/10 19:27:38 @@ -17,6 +17,8 @@ system.c tape.c tcpip.c termcap.c ufs.c usb.c user.c variable.c \ wizard.c keymap.h +MAN8= sysinstall.8 + CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I${.OBJDIR} .if ${MACHINE} == "pc98" CFLAGS+= -DPC98 --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 22:53:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (p58.stsn.com [12.23.74.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7D537B588; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05293; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:53:51 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:53:51 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Part III Message-ID: <20000711065351.A5228@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com>; from jim@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:14:58PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:14:58PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few errors > that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the New User's > Handbook . Hmm-m-m-m. I dunno. It kinda reads like the "FreeBSD Advertising Ourselves" Handbook. It's like it's targetted at people who haven't installed FreeBSD yet, or made the decision to, rather than people who have installed FreeBSD and are now trying to work out what to do with it. Chapter 6 is the most "new user-ish" bit there. It looks like I'm going to be around for the O'Reilly docs session, and a couple of days after that. Maybe we could get together at WC on Monday or Tuesday and brainstorm around it for a bit? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 10 23:40:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E324B37BCB2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA76667; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110640.XAA76667@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:38:18 +0200 -On [20000711 04:01], Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >The man page now says: > > -r Print out the date and time that is seconds from the Epoch > (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). > >I'm not sure when this was changed, but is that any better? I don't >really like it because it's not valid English really, although it makes >more sense in the real manpage because _seconds_ is underlined. Still, >I'd prefer the following: >--- date.1 2000/06/28 09:20:06 1.39 >+++ date.1 2000/07/11 01:32:00 >@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ > .Nm date > .Op Fl jnu > .Op Fl d Ar dst >-.Op Fl r Ar seconds >+.Op Fl r Ar sec > .Op Fl t Ar minutes_west > .Oo > .Fl v [snip] > -r Print out the date and time that is _sec_ seconds ... > >Is that ok? If Jeroen (my mentor) approves this and no-one objects then >I'll commit it. If people think the current text is fine I'll just >close the PR. Yeah, the change might make it more clear for non native english speakers (and probably the english ones as well). It looks clearer to me. But don't forget that: [8:36] [asmodai@daemon] (356) $ date ? date: illegal time format usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] You cannot change the function arguments (.Fa) around for sake of clarity, since it would now conflict with the shown arguments. =) I am sure you can find another wording for the paragraph which solves this riddle. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project So take a look at me now, well there's just an empty space... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 0:20: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (luna.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509CD37B91E; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CED43142; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:55 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Part III Message-ID: <20000711001955.A923@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> <20000711065351.A5228@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: <20000711065351.A5228@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 06:53:51AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 at 06:53:51 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:14:58PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few errors > > that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the New User's > > Handbook . > > Hmm-m-m-m. > > I dunno. It kinda reads like the "FreeBSD Advertising Ourselves" > Handbook. It's like it's targetted at people who haven't installed > FreeBSD yet, or made the decision to, rather than people who have > installed FreeBSD and are now trying to work out what to do with it. True. The content is from the existing handbook though, so we probably oughta re-evaluate that to :-) > Chapter 6 is the most "new user-ish" bit there. > > It looks like I'm going to be around for the O'Reilly docs session, > and a couple of days after that. Maybe we could get together at WC on > Monday or Tuesday and brainstorm around it for a bit? Sounds like a plan to me. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 0:20:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B57737BDC9 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:20:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA82411; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19818; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" To: Nik Clayton Cc: B.Candler@pobox.com, jkh@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:22 -0700 > > sysinstall.8 man page is not in distribution; need to dig install > > sources to find it under /usr/src/release/sysinstall/ > > This is right. Is there any reason we don't do this? Otherwise, the > attached patch should do it. Well, we don't do it because sysinstall isn't in the default build path, is never touched by "make world" or "make distribute", and hence never makes it into the man pages distribution with all the other manual pages, even with Nik's patch to the Makefile. I've thought of various types of evil hacks to work around this over the years, but they always seemed more evil than simply omitting the man page. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 0:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC56D37B660 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA83453; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from draenor.org (draenor.org [196.36.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8917337B91E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@draenor.org) Received: from marcs by draenor.org with local (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13BuQw-0009nT-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:22 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:22 +0200 From: Marc Silver Reply-To: marcs@draenor.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19841: Change to dialup firewalling article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19841 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Change to dialup firewalling article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 11 00:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Marc Silver >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: N/A >Description: Changes to the natd command under FreeBSD 3.5 require a minor change to the document. Also added some notes on additional security options for the KERNEL. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: Please patch the file at earliest convenience. --- original.sgml Mon Jun 26 13:30:35 2000 +++ article.sgml Tue Jul 11 09:24:09 2000 @@ -96,6 +96,36 @@ + There are also some other OPTIONAL items that you can compile + into the kernel for some added security. These are not required in + order to get firewalling to work, but some more paranoid users may + want to use them. + + + + options TCP_RESTRICT_RST + + + This option blocks all TCP RST packets. This is + best used for systems that might be exposed to SYN + flooding (IRC Servers are a good example) or for those who + do not want to be easily portscannable. + + + + + options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN + + + This option ignores TCP packets with SYN and FIN. This + prevents tools such as nmap etc from identifying the TCP/IP + stack of the machine, but breaks support for RFC1644 + extensions. This is NOT recommended if the machine will be + running web server. + + + + Don't reboot once you have recompiled the kernel. Hopefully, we will need to reboot just once in order to complete the installing of the firewall. @@ -113,7 +143,8 @@ firewall_script="/etc/firewall/fwrules" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="tun0" -natd_flags="-dynamic" +natd_flags="-dynamic" +natd_flags="-dynamic yes" #(For FreeBSD 3.5) For more information on what the above do take a look at /etc/defaults/rc.conf and read >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 2: 0:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2356F37C0DB for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA08696; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007110900.CAA08696@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: docs/19841: Change to dialup firewalling article Reply-To: Neil Blakey-Milner Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19841; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Marc Silver Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19841: Change to dialup firewalling article Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:55:18 +0200 On Tue 2000-07-11 (09:26), Marc Silver wrote: > @@ -113,7 +143,8 @@ > firewall_script="/etc/firewall/fwrules" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="tun0" > -natd_flags="-dynamic" > +natd_flags="-dynamic" > +natd_flags="-dynamic yes" #(For FreeBSD 3.5) You sure about this one, Marc? It doesn't seem to do that here. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 2:56:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DFA37BBDC for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17157; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:54:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:54:50 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Message-ID: <20000711045450.A17137@mppsystems.com> References: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:20:06AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:20:06AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/19818; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > To: Nik Clayton > > > > sysinstall.8 man page is not in distribution; need to dig install > > > sources to find it under /usr/src/release/sysinstall/ > > > > This is right. Is there any reason we don't do this? Otherwise, the > > attached patch should do it. > > Well, we don't do it because sysinstall isn't in the default build > path, is never touched by "make world" or "make distribute", and hence > never makes it into the man pages distribution with all the other > manual pages, even with Nik's patch to the Makefile. > > I've thought of various types of evil hacks to work around this over > the years, but they always seemed more evil than simply omitting the > man page. :-) > > - Jordan How about some simple stub man page in /usr/src/share/man/man8 that tells the user how to find the real man page if they are daring enough to try do something more exotic than: # /stand/sysinstall ? That might not be a bad idea, since you could also point them to some set of instructions that tells them how to rebuild sysinstall if need be, since sysinstall doesn't get updated normally. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 3: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D205A37BD6F for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA59577; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 826F137B5EF for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 32730 invoked by alias); 11 Jul 2000 09:52:45 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16205; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:36:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Message-Id: <200007110936.LAA16205@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:36:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Udo Erdelhoff Reply-To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19848: dumpon(8) needs to be updated [patch] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19848 >Category: docs >Synopsis: dumpon(8) needs to be updated [patch included] >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 11 03:00:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Udo Erdelhoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 5.0-current as of 08-JUL-2000 src/sbin/dumpon/dumpon.8 v1.13 >Description: The bugs section of dumpon(8) states: Dumpon currently allows only devices with minor number 1 to be used as dump devices. This is obviously no longer true. Various messages on the mailing lists show that people have been dumping to /dev/da0s1b (minor 0x20001) with good effect. The bugs section does not mention that setting DUMPDEV in rc.conf causes dumpon to be called during the transition from single-user to multi-user. This means that it's close to impossible to capture dumps caused by problem during boot. There was a discussion on -current about this problem in March 2000 (see revision 1.12 of this file). The problem has not been resolved yet (AFAIK), so bugs should warn about it. Additionally, a part of the notes section should be changed. Old version: One of the system swap devices is usually chosen as the dump device, as swap devices are the most likely to have the required space at dump time. New version: One of the system swap devices should be used as the dump device. Devices used for regular filesystems will probably lack sufficent space to store the dump. [And that's the polite version - I was tempted to write to something to the effect of "using anything but a swap device is suicidal"] >How-To-Repeat: man 8 dumpon dumpon /dev/any-swap-device put DUMPEV=above-device in rc.conf panic the system, reboot => core is saved in /var/crash >Fix: The patch implements the changes outlined above. The changes should be MFCed to RELENG_4 before 4.1-RELEASE. Index: dumpon.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dumpon/dumpon.8,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -r1.13 dumpon.8 --- dumpon.8 2000/03/28 15:54:32 1.13 +++ dumpon.8 2000/07/11 09:10:57 @@ -68,8 +68,9 @@ .Nm to be verbose about its activity. .Sh NOTES -One of the system swap devices is usually chosen as the dump device, as -swap devices are the most likely to have the required space at dump time. +One of the system swap devices should be used as the dump device. Devices +used for regular filesystems will probably lack sufficent space to store the +dump. .Pp The .Nm @@ -106,9 +107,13 @@ Because the filesystem layer is already dead by the time a crash dump is taken, it is not possible to send crash dumps directly to a file. .Pp -.Nm Dumpon -currently allows only devices with minor number 1 to be used as dump -devices. +Since +.Nm dumpon +is called from +.Pa /etc/rc , +system panics during kernel initialisation or single-user mode will NOT +cause a dump. Currently, there is no safe or reliable way to enforce +the creation of dumps in these cases. .Sh HISTORY The .Nm >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 3:22:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D088737BEF2; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nbm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA82878; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007111022.DAA82878@freefall.freebsd.org> To: marcs@draenor.org, nbm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19841: Change to dialup firewalling article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Change to dialup firewalling article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nbm State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 11 03:21:57 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Updated, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 3:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EBD37B963; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D5BD9CF; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:50:27 +0200 To: doc@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, At the recommendation of Kris Kennaway, I am submitting the following as a suggested change to what we have today in section 18.4 of the Handbook. However, I am not 100% convinced that this is completely correct or that the wording I've chosen is what should be used as the final version. Therefore, I have left people that I believe are interested parties as carbon-copy recipients of this e-mail, and they can feed their own suggested changes back to you as well. The procedure to make a kernel should now be: 1. If you have updated your sources, the process of building a kernel may depend on which version of certain tools may be installed. Therefore, the only safe way to build a kernel on such a machine is to do the following: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown (drop into single-user mode) make installworld mergemaster reboot These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. This will install the kernel /WHATEVER, and you will need to have "kernel=/WHATEVER" in /boot/loader.conf. 2. If you have not updated your sources and just want to rebuild the kernel with the sources you already have, use the standard procedure: config WHATEVER cd ../../compile/WHATEVER make depend make make install However, if you have problems, you should try re-running this process with "config -r WHATEVER" to clean out the remnants of the old build tree and to eliminate any potential cruft. Do not report problems to the mailing lists with kernels you have built, if you have not configured them with "config -r". Note that the steps given in #1 above will install a copy of the GENERIC kernel. If you have a customized kernel, you'll need to follow those instructions to safely install the GENERIC kernel, and then follow the steps in #2 above to install your customized kernel. Also note that if you run into problems anywhere along any part of either of these processes, ensure that you are not passing the "-j4" (or any other "-j#" argument) to make. If you are, then start over from the beginning, this time omitting the "-j4" argument (which causes a parallel make). While using "-j4" usually works, there are sometimes problems with it. Do not report any problems to the mailing lists with a "make world", "make buildworld", or a kernel build that was done with a "-j4" (or any similar) argument passed to make. Of course, if you don't understand how to do the commands listed and in what directory they should be run, then you should probably not be trying to be "Staying Stable with FreeBSD". You should instead monitor the mailing lists for a longer period of time to learn how and where to properly apply these commands, before you try to execute them yourself. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 4:42: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF4A37BF8C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dwmalone@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA30657; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007111142.EAA30657@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwmalone@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dwmalone@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19438: clarification of umount -t option Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: clarification of umount -t option Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dwmalone Responsible-Changed-By: dwmalone Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 11 04:41:23 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Local PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19438 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 4:43: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028CE37B9BB; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA30818; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007111143.EAA30818@freefall.freebsd.org> To: kurt@OpenLDAP.org, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/16934: anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 11 04:40:34 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=16934 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 4:57:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6618D37BF49; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13ByeU-000L2g-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:38 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Brad Knowles Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:50:27 +0200." Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:38 +0200 Message-ID: <80889.963316598@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:50:27 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot Hmm, I thought that the new kernel was supposed to be booted before the installworld target was made. In other words: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel (move the kernel to /kernel, usually) reboot into single-user mode (mount filesystems) make installworld mergemaster (enter multi-user mode) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 5: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6E437B9BB for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA33108; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007111200.FAA33108@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:42 +0100 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Yeah, the change might make it more clear for non native english > speakers (and probably the english ones as well). > > It looks clearer to me. > > But don't forget that: > > [8:36] [asmodai@daemon] (356) $ date ? > date: illegal time format > usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... > [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] > > You cannot change the function arguments (.Fa) around for sake of > clarity, since it would now conflict with the shown arguments. =) hmm, ok. I suppose .c files are out of my allowed area? > I am sure you can find another wording for the paragraph which solves I thought of something like "Print the date and time which is the specified number of seconds from the Epoch." but then you wouldn't be showing the function argument (with .Ar seconds) so that might not be right. If you used .Ar on the 'seconds' in that sentence it wouldn't be right either. "Print the data and time which is the specified time, _seconds_, from the Epoch." A bit better, perhaps. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 5: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B38237BF12 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA33113; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007111200.FAA33113@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:58:20 +0200 -On [20000711 13:55], Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >> Yeah, the change might make it more clear for non native english >> speakers (and probably the english ones as well). >> >> It looks clearer to me. >> >> But don't forget that: >> >> [8:36] [asmodai@daemon] (356) $ date ? >> date: illegal time format >> usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... >> [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] >> >> You cannot change the function arguments (.Fa) around for sake of >> clarity, since it would now conflict with the shown arguments. =) > >hmm, ok. I suppose .c files are out of my allowed area? Not really. But sometimes changes need not be that drastically. ;) When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. >> I am sure you can find another wording for the paragraph which solves > >I thought of something like > >"Print the date and time which is the specified number of seconds from the >Epoch." > >but then you wouldn't be showing the function argument (with .Ar >seconds) so that might not be right. If you used .Ar on the 'seconds' >in that sentence it wouldn't be right either. > >"Print the data and time which is the specified time, _seconds_, from the >Epoch." Print the date and time, specified by x _seconds_ from the Epoch? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl ``...by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it.'' -- Russ Albery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 6:58:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B1A37B931; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Byzu-000NlV-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:18:46 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Byzu-000MxX-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:18:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:18:46 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: doc@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GBuTPvBEOL0MYPgd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --GBuTPvBEOL0MYPgd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'd like to commit this shortly. Any objections, either on documentation quality or the technical accuracy? (that's why -hackers is included.) =20 - When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say + When the kernel has been built, make a copy of it, say kernel.debug, and then run strip - -g on the original. Install the original as normal. You + -g on the original. Install the original as normal. + Note that from FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE onwards, these two steps are + performed automatically, so you should not execute them yourself. + On all FreeBSD releases, you may also install the unstripped kernel, but symbol table lookup time= for - some programs will drastically increase, and since the whole kernel = is + some programs will drastically increase. With an a.out kernel, + since the whole kernel is loaded entirely at boot time and cannot be swapped out later, several - megabytes of physical memory will be wasted. + megabytes of physical memory will also be wasted. However, this sho= uld not + be a problem for most users, as ELF has been the default format for + kernels since FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE. =20 --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --GBuTPvBEOL0MYPgd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: H9MdXl0TRp7f87qN87CHA8xzVXCGSQ/c iQCVAwUBOWsQpSsPVtiZOS99AQEzXgP+MiCyLJfVhy8M9wtSA1ikGvnZT8NTEPS1 GOWzp0OpdYPhPGZHcgeJYOFry+q7z0YM+QBIz7sr7dnlfJLifdIV7GshJOiuD2S4 F00oPabm918OoZn/8hwREWyD8J1bs4vFEDoT9b+6jjPAfmu376x6GGgJwzSkeFcf G5cWm9W5ppk= =uPZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GBuTPvBEOL0MYPgd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 9:35:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DC537B5F9; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0226B1460; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id JAA00481; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B4BD5.37D75900@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:31:17 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: doc@freebsd.org, grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target tomake yer kernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > installed. Therefore, the only safe way to build a kernel on such a > machine is to do the following: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot As pointed our by Sheldon: reboot before doing an installworld. The reason is that when you upgrade, binaries you're installing may not run on an older kernel. This will be fixed soon, but in the mean time I suggest people reboot. > These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" > in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add > "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. Make that KERNEL=WHATEVER. Also note that it is allowed to have KERNEL="FOO BAR BAZ" and that if you have this in make.conf, you'd better make sure you give yourself a change to override it on the commandline (ie have KERNEL?="FOO BAR BAZ" in make.conf) > However, if you have problems, you should try re-running this > process with "config -r WHATEVER" to clean out the remnants of the > old build tree and to eliminate any potential cruft. Do not report > problems to the mailing lists with kernels you have built, if you > have not configured them with "config -r". You probably want to add a paragraph that says if it still fails, try using buildkernel after a buildworld. The latter is important, because the failing of the kernel build might be due to a change in tools. > Note that the steps given in #1 above will install a copy of the > GENERIC kernel. If you have a customized kernel, you'll need to > follow those instructions to safely install the GENERIC kernel, and > then follow the steps in #2 above to install your customized kernel. This doesn't make sense. You already said that #1 can be modified for those with custom kernels, right? > Also note that if you run into problems anywhere along any part > of either of these processes, ensure that you are not passing the > "-j4" (or any other "-j#" argument) to make. If you are, then start > over from the beginning, this time omitting the "-j4" argument (which > causes a parallel make). While using "-j4" usually works, there are > sometimes problems with it. Do not report any problems to the > mailing lists with a "make world", "make buildworld", or a kernel > build that was done with a "-j4" (or any similar) argument passed to > make. I don't think we should throw this in. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 10:59:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D60C37B50E; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA60029; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007111758.KAA60029@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/15408: Description of ls and nlist wrong in man page for ftp Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Description of ls and nlist wrong in man page for ftp Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 11 10:57:36 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15408 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 18: 9:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D577C37B5E1; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29693; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:22 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:22 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ben Smithurst Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 11 July 2000 at 13:18:46 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to commit this shortly. Any objections, either on documentation > quality or the technical accuracy? (that's why -hackers is included.) > > > - When the kernel has been built make a copy of it, say > + When the kernel has been built, make a copy of it, say > kernel.debug, and then run strip > - -g on the original. Install the original as normal. You > + -g on the original. Install the original as normal. > + Note that from FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE onwards, these two steps are > + performed automatically, so you should not execute them yourself. > + On all FreeBSD releases, you > may also install the unstripped kernel, but symbol table lookup time for > - some programs will drastically increase, and since the whole kernel is > + some programs will drastically increase. With an a.out kernel, > + since the whole kernel is > loaded entirely at boot time and cannot be swapped out later, several > - megabytes of physical memory will be wasted. > + megabytes of physical memory will also be wasted. However, this should not > + be a problem for most users, as ELF has been the default format for > + kernels since FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE. I think you should look from the viewpoint of the modern kernel: If you are using version 2 or 3 of FreeBSD, you will need to strip the kernel manually... Note that if you run an a.out kernel with debugging symbols, the whole kernel will be loaded into memory... Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 19:36:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from clavin.highspeedgaming.com (clavin.highspeedgaming.com [63.90.62.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C374137B828 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from totalness@cookeville.total-web.net) Received: from fz9qy (ip-123-120.cookeville.total-web.net [216.207.123.120]) by clavin.highspeedgaming.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21036 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:36:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801bfebaa$41319780$6401a8c0@fz9qy> From: "Totalness" To: Subject: Question Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:37:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEB80.436FB9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEB80.436FB9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you have the free bsd handbook in .PDF format. and if you do what is = the URL. Thanks=20 Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEB80.436FB9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do you have the free bsd handbook in .PDF format. = and if you=20 do what is the URL.
Thanks
Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEB80.436FB9C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 21:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cummings.uol.com.br (cummings.uol.com.br [200.230.198.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5359037B9D4 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ostan@uol.com.br) Received: from default ([200.224.86.50]) by cummings.uol.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09327 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:52:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <200007120452.BAA09327@cummings.uol.com.br> From: "Leonardo" To: Subject: install modem Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:47:31 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am named Leonardo and would like install a modem. I guess it isn't a winmodem and I don't know how i config my modem . I know a bit config on Linux , but Free .... Thanks per any help ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 11 22:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2753037BC16 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA54599; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007120510.WAA54599@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:30:31 +0100 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > Print the date and time, specified by x _seconds_ from the Epoch? Hmm, I don't like the "x". This manpage was changed relatively recently anyway to be less confusing: === revision 1.34 date: 2000/03/07 20:54:17; author: sheldonh; state: Exp; lines: +8 -3 branches: 1.34.2; Correct confusing description of the -r option. PR: 17250 Submitted by: cjclark@home.com (Crist J. Clark) === And I think the current text is ok, to be honest, certainly better than it was. We're going round in circles trying to find something better anyway, and I think Sheldon knows what he's doing. :-) Also, there's another PR (18880, unassigned) which suggested bringing in a load of enhancements to the date(1) manpage from OpenBSD, which might address this. I think the PR should either be closed, or we should change the usage() and SYNOPSIS so it can say "... _sec_ seconds ..." since that's the only version I'm really happy with. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 0:27:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CDD37B736 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13CGv6-00050b-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:27:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:27:00 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Totalness Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <20000712092659.A19222@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <000801bfebaa$41319780$6401a8c0@fz9qy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000801bfebaa$41319780$6401a8c0@fz9qy>; from totalness@cookeville.total-web.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:37:50PM -0500 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 2000-07-11 (21:37), Totalness wrote: > Do you have the free bsd handbook in .PDF format. and if you do what > is the URL. As it says at the top of the handbook in HTML format: It may also be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the FreeBSD FTP server [ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc] or one of the numerous mirror sites [http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html]. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 3:34:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2216D37B6FA; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24501; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:34:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:34:07 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Message-ID: <20000712053407.A24399@mppsystems.com> References: <200007120510.WAA54599@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007120510.WAA54599@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:10:02PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:10:02PM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > > > Print the date and time, specified by x _seconds_ from the Epoch? > > Hmm, I don't like the "x". This manpage was changed relatively recently > anyway to be less confusing: How about: Print the date and time from the Epoch, as specified by the _seconds_ argument. -Mike __ Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 6:56:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.bbf.bg (ns.bbf.bg [212.50.9.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C807937B5D7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ce@beer.com) Received: from mail.inphasis.COM by ns.bbf.bg (NTMail 3.01.01) id ua006130; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:56:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bfec09$03397060$0c00000a@ce> From: "Tzvetan Tzankov" To: Subject: advise Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:56:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hallo, I use Linux & freeBSD for the last 2 years but Linux is preferred - not because it is better but because the Internet presentation is better. I mean that when I go to a Linux page I find what I need. Here on your page I find the things very difficult (may be I'm not quite intelligent :)). For example I tried to find a problem with freeBSD 4.0-RELEASE and I wandered quite long to find out that someone has the same problem and it's not yet solved. It is not very clear what is the last stable version and how can you get it, when I clicked 'Getting FreeBSD' it was a mess for me what I read there -- the ftp - servers lead me to confusion the stable 3.4 points to the same directory as 3.5 and there are only packages in there. Finally I got that it is different thing the packages-3.4 stable and freeBSD-3.4 stable. I didn't find floppy images for installation for a stable version. Probably, as I said earlier, may be I'm not enough intelligent. I like FreeBSD more than Linux, it is cuter, but the problem with 4.0 prevented it for a larger usage on my machines (I hadn't known when I installed it that it was not a stable version). That's what I wanted to tell you. May be it is stupid but that's it. A Fan of FreeBSD tzvetan tzankov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 7: 5:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A09437BC06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CN8M-0000lj-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:05:06 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Tzvetan Tzankov" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advise In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:56:41 +0300." <000f01bfec09$03397060$0c00000a@ce> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:05:06 +0200 Message-ID: <2958.963410706@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:56:41 +0300, "Tzvetan Tzankov" wrote: > That's what I wanted to tell you. May be it is stupid but that's it. Stupid's a strong word. I think "content-free" more accurately describes your e-mail. I found it very vague, and there certainly doesn't seem to be anything in your message that anyone here could actually use to make some tangible improvement. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 7:15:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB8837BCC0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CMyS-000PoU-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:54:52 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CMyR-0002vs-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:54:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:54:51 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Greg Lehey Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZuvoxmZMh0nHqhEq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ZuvoxmZMh0nHqhEq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Lehey wrote: > I think you should look from the viewpoint of the modern kernel:=20 >=20 > If you are using version 2 or 3 of FreeBSD, you will need to strip > the kernel manually... Note that if you run an a.out kernel with > debugging symbols, the whole kernel will be loaded into memory... Is this better: If you are using FreeBSD 3 or earlier, you should make a stripped copy of the debug kernel, rather than installing the large debug kernel itself: &prompt.root; cp kernel kernel.debug &prompt.root; strip -g kernel This stage isn't necessary, but it is recommended. (In FreeBSD 4 and later releases this step is performed automatically at the end of the kernel make process.) =20 When the kernel has been stripped, either automatically or by using the commands above, you may install it as usual by typing make install. If you install and boot the debug kernel, without stripping it as described above, symbol table lookup time for some programs will drastically increase. Note also that older releases of FreeBSD (up to but not including 3.1) used a.out kernels by default, which must have their symbol tables permanently resident in physical memory. With the larger symbol table in an unstripped debug kernel, this is wasteful. Recent FreeBSD releases use ELF kernels where this is no longer a problem. ? It's a bit longer, but has a bit more detail, I think. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --ZuvoxmZMh0nHqhEq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: m/hJuNlHpHeZC1FDJeUP3gchNeddA3aq iQCVAwUBOWx4qSsPVtiZOS99AQGMFAP+PNc7GYKdkWUc/oG5RMsjA7Id8JIheYPl Cek2N0FXKvGb6F3Vmrf+HMrYE3cdrvP7nbdWLNR6MAdotDybhzz0jn6HxmH+jb39 QqyxBERywvfvsjvbdljlCsKM8ltYPHh5Tzer1z1KbRg/OUlnnHUVJRwa1Va7ANFd rjJcmgnpNEs= =mDEF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZuvoxmZMh0nHqhEq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 7:18:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5537BF06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CNKX-000Puo-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:17:41 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CNKX-0002bV-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:17:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:17:41 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Mike Pritchard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Message-ID: <20000712151741.F11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007120510.WAA54599@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000712053407.A24399@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eZmbrWU10I35niuH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000712053407.A24399@mppsystems.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --eZmbrWU10I35niuH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Pritchard wrote: > How about: >=20 > Print the date and time from the Epoch, as specified by the > _seconds_ argument. Nice. I might just commit that. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --eZmbrWU10I35niuH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: vlfD2Wjg6HfJKn8hgervp6+1r6nvKj7m iQCVAwUBOWx+AysPVtiZOS99AQEz4QP+OIAFrCHZhah0h5mciHMRLC0B4p017wvK bhHNcETPQoGLy6luu0oB9aNkw+eUrGOfjbseeA606zU1piAvwtHeZUUCyW9o3FLx DxTEMgCwEawa12obg5Csjtemc7HwHqKWB/HFF0AZ8KOd+vPvVdlr/yuLxi3RppF9 GGhLR2l45ck= =XVsr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eZmbrWU10I35niuH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 7:40:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28C937BF4A; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nbm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA41879; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007121440.HAA41879@freefall.freebsd.org> To: schweikh@noc.dfn.de, nbm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19565: /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html disappeared Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html disappeared State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nbm State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 12 07:39:56 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: I added a symlink for backwards compatibility. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19565 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 7:55: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8B737BDE9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15982; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:54:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: "Tzvetan Tzankov" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advise References: <2958.963410706@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> From: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Rasmus Kaj Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 12 Jul 2000 16:54:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn's message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:05:06 +0200" Message-ID: <843dlfv1p7.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0806 (Gnus v5.8.6) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "SH" == Sheldon Hearn writes: SH> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:56:41 +0300, "Tzvetan Tzankov" wrote: >> That's what I wanted to tell you. May be it is stupid but that's it. SH> Stupid's a strong word. I think "content-free" more accurately SH> describes your e-mail. [ ... ] Actually, I think I can extract an actual suggestion from Tzvetan's mail: Either on the front page of http://www.FreeBSD.org/, or at least on availability.html, there should be a short and simple statement like "The latest release of FreeBSD is 4.0. See also the _release_history_ and the _known_problems_". In the sample text, _release_history_ is a link to /releases/ and _known_problems_ is a link to a user-friendly search engine for the gnats database, FAQ and handbook (and possibly the questions and stable mail archives), but without the complexity of /search/search.html and /cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?query (maybe with links to those search engines for those who can take the complexity and want the power). -- Rasmus Kaj -------------------- rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Intolerance is the last defense of the insecure \------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 8:21:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479EB37BD30; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nbm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA49306; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007121521.IAA49306@freefall.freebsd.org> To: schweikh@noc.dfn.de, nbm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, nbm@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19647: Still references to sd devices left Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Still references to sd devices left State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: nbm State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 12 08:19:55 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Updated the last remaining remnants, thanks. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->nbm Responsible-Changed-By: nbm Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 12 08:19:55 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I fixed it in HEAD, will MFC later. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19647 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 8:34:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E6537C2A2 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CNYC-000Pwe-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:31:48 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CNYC-000Dsk-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:31:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:31:48 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Mike Pritchard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Message-ID: <20000712153148.H11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007120510.WAA54599@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000712053407.A24399@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="v0AS7uCPPFvPHUfF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000712053407.A24399@mppsystems.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --v0AS7uCPPFvPHUfF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Pritchard wrote: > Print the date and time from the Epoch, as specified by the > _seconds_ argument. On second thoughts, I think "date and time from the Epoch" is wrong, since to me it implies a relative time, which you don't get (this is what the whole PR is about -- the text originally said "print the time in seconds from the Epoch" which is wrong). I think I'll give up on this PR for now.. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D --v0AS7uCPPFvPHUfF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: RyRl5S4CfwEfeGZe+zPL6H07QWi7yE0x iQCVAwUBOWyBUysPVtiZOS99AQGnTQP+N4b8JmKDBWiTx198vXBRpLoiUHBPjYIU hNGCwrs1Ccqt2i3N0GzrTfz0X5/RfwXe9DVsMrS0s/s3nE7QJ89io1/MxbpFm0dl V7p55JJH3N60QLvHgzJ5U5Dr7eQ/1qPFD51Z8eCwNKK4+FJVbdcXg0b7CaMoJaXw nPQYpIbW4ls= =1qV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --v0AS7uCPPFvPHUfF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 8:50:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268C837B809 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frederik@freddym.org) Received: from server.wes.mee.com (p3E9C0346.dip.t-dialin.net [62.156.3.70]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16124; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:49:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.wes.mee.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id QAA01392; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:40:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Frederik Meerwaldt X-Sender: frederik@server.wes.mee.com To: Tzvetan Tzankov Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advise In-Reply-To: <000f01bfec09$03397060$0c00000a@ce> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! [Website not clear] I have to agree with Tzvetan, and I would help making the sides better, if you want to. Bye, Freddy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 11:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D6137BF1B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA84011; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007121830.LAA84011@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18520; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: n_hibma@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:24:15 +0100 n_hibma@freebsd.org wrote: > The manpage for kbdcontrol is incomplete. It does not mention that > some commands only apply to /dev/console or the virtual terminals. It would > be useful to see an example along the lines of > > kbdcontrol -k /dev/ukbd0 < /dev/console > > to show how to change the keyboard when in an xterm (or when using an automatic > changer line in usbd.conf). What sort of text do you think is needed? I don't really know enough about USB and stuff to see exactly what you mean. I assume that command will mean that the USB keyboard acts as the console keyboard from that point forward? How do you change it back? Anyway, how about: To change the default console keyboard to the first USB keyboard (see ukbd(4)) when not working on the console or a virtual terminal, use this command: kbdcontrol -k /dev/ukbd0 < /dev/console The ukbd(4) manpage seems to have a bit more about this, so I explicitly added a reference to it there rather than expecting people to find it in the SEE ALSO bit. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 13:34:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A2437C0FE; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA02659; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007122034.NAA02659@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jpmg@eng.cam.ac.uk, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18592: amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOPSIS that's referred to below Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOPSIS that's referred to below State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 12 21:30:24 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed in -current and 4-stable, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18592 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 14:51:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240F437C2BB; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA12078; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007122151.OAA12078@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmah@cisco.com, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19583: [patch] Fix typos in RELENG_4 README.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] Fix typos in RELENG_4 README.TXT State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 12 22:49:04 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19583 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 17: 3:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA237B756; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04587; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:24 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:24 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ben Smithurst Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000713093324.A4094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 14:54:51 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> I think you should look from the viewpoint of the modern kernel: >> >> If you are using version 2 or 3 of FreeBSD, you will need to strip >> the kernel manually... Note that if you run an a.out kernel with >> debugging symbols, the whole kernel will be loaded into memory... > > Is this better: > > If you are using FreeBSD 3 or earlier, you should make a stripped > copy of the debug kernel, rather than installing the large debug > kernel itself: > > &prompt.root; cp kernel kernel.debug > &prompt.root; strip -g kernel > > This stage isn't necessary, but it is recommended. (In > FreeBSD 4 and later releases this step is performed automatically > at the end of the kernel make process.) > When the kernel has been stripped, either automatically or by > using the commands above, you may install it as usual by typing > make install. > > If you install and boot the debug kernel, without stripping > it as described above, symbol table lookup time for some programs > will drastically increase. Note also that older releases of > FreeBSD (up to but not including 3.1) used a.out kernels by > default, which must have their symbol tables permanently resident > in physical memory. With the larger symbol table in an unstripped > debug kernel, this is wasteful. Recent FreeBSD releases use ELF > kernels where this is no longer a problem. > > ? It's a bit longer, but has a bit more detail, I think. That looks a lot better. I don't think it's too long. Only one thing: does the symbol lookup time increase sufficiently to be noticeable? I don't have any experience with this myself. I'd personally play safe and not mention it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 19:13:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6AD37C1AB for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mick3@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net ([166.72.155.241]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000071302124822901epqure>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:48 +0000 Message-ID: <396D25D5.67B663B3@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:13:41 -0700 From: John Michelini X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Handbook suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, During my process of reading the Handbook, I wrote some additions which might be useful changes. Please let me know if these suggestions are not formatted correctly according to the group's specifications. I would be glad to reformat or make additional changes. John Suggested text: Section 15.2.1.2 Preparing the Kernel As previously mentioned, ppp uses the tun device, and whichever kernel you are using must have tun configured. The tun device is preconfigured for the default GENERIC kernel that ships with FreeBSD. However, if you have installed a custom kernel or have a /sys directory, you must make sure your kernel is configured for ppp. To check, go to your kernel directory and examine your configuration file (/sys/i386/conf or /sys/pc98/conf). It should have... Suggested text: 2.2.1.7. Check the drive number scheme in your BIOS If you have used your BIOS to renumber your disk drives (without recabling them), read Section 10.2 to avoid confusion. Suggested text: 6.2. The Superuser Account The Superuser account, typically named root, comes preconfigured and should only be used for special tasks such as system administration. As the Superuser, the safeguards of your standard user account no longer apply. Misuse of this account for user tasks such as sending and receiving mail, general exploration of the system, or programming may result in spectacular disasters like accidentally destroying the system. The Superuser should always double and triple-check commands before issuing them. After reading this chapter, create an standard user account for general use; this applies to multiuser and single-user machines. Later in this chapter, we discuss how to create additional accounts, and how to switch between the user and the Superuser. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 12 20:10:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B9437C16D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CXa2-00012Q-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:14:22 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CXa2-000CaU-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:14:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:14:22 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Greg Lehey Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000713021422.C11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000713093324.A4094@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pFUYyEv/SkCmkazq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000713093324.A4094@wantadilla.lemis.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --pFUYyEv/SkCmkazq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Lehey wrote: > That looks a lot better. I don't think it's too long. Only one > thing: does the symbol lookup time increase sufficiently to be > noticeable? I don't have any experience with this myself. I'd > personally play safe and not mention it. I've got no idea about the symbol table lookup time, I'm just going on what the original text said. If there's no other comments within the next day or so, I'll commit this patch but with the sentence about symbol table removed. thanks, --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --pFUYyEv/SkCmkazq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: c2uTXqG8xci79gXxZsbgK3NpjSa/T8qU iQCVAwUBOW0X7SsPVtiZOS99AQHbqQP/fctd1RsdN1Li3bH1wGR63I8PqZgooO1E CSI+OWacruSX5WkTYPqQ3jGIV7bkfMr/Ybxg4Iq0fBKTWPEdvVnqS5ohuwQjtEXf V27zrqkMLyvLrr2BkDNt0UGNBUWsnXSfdFoHIqiSdz3RuOEnsfx+cdAnxtjVbI+4 081tKMw8G6Y= =PcNG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pFUYyEv/SkCmkazq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 5:16:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8337B90A; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA91594; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007131216.FAA91594@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19848: dumpon(8) needs to be updated [patch included] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: dumpon(8) needs to be updated [patch included] Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jul 13 13:16:05 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll commit this tonight. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19848 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 5:17:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47437C31A; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA91771; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007131217.FAA91771@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19262: Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Is fsync.2 NAME section wrong? Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jul 13 13:17:36 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19262 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 9:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7792737BF16 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA34344; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hand.dotat.at (hand.dotat.at [212.240.134.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B020237C4B6 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@hand.dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Cl63-0001v5-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:40:19 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:40:19 +0000 From: Tony Finch Reply-To: Tony Finch To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19894: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19894 >Category: docs >Synopsis: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 13 09:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tony Finch >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE-20000705 i386 >Organization: dotat >Environment: *BSD since the year dot, it seems >Description: In the section about usage() and manual page synopsys lines, the text refers to what I call "square brackets" as "braces". I think this is confusing and should be changed according to the diff below. This also makes it consistent with the Jargon File. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- /usr/src/share/man/man9/style.9.orig Thu Jul 13 15:31:22 2000 +++ /usr/src/share/man/man9/style.9 Thu Jul 13 15:31:03 2000 @@ -470,16 +470,16 @@ not fputs/puts/putchar/whatever; it's faster and usually cleaner, not to mention avoiding stupid bugs. .Pp -Usage statements should look like the manual pages synopsis. Options w/o -operands come first, in alphabetical order inside a single set of -braces, followed by options with operands, in alphabetical order, -each in braces, followed by required arguments in the order they -are specified, followed by optional arguments in the order they -are specified. A bar +Usage statements should look like the manual pages synopsis. Options +without operands come first, in alphabetical order inside a single set of +square brackets, followed by options with operands, in alphabetical +order, each in square brackets, followed by required arguments in the +order they are specified, not in brackets, followed by optional +arguments in the order they are specified, in square brackets. A bar .Pq Sq \&| separates either-or options/arguments, and multiple options/arguments which are specified together are -placed in a single set of braces. +placed in a single set of square brackets. .Pp .Bd -ragged -offset 0.3i "usage: f [-aDde] [-b b_arg] [-m m_arg] req1 req2 [opt1 [opt2]]\en" >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 10:10:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD3E37B7CD for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA39198; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007131710.KAA39198@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/19894: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19894; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: Tony Finch Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19894: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:05:36 +0200 On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:40:19 GMT, Tony Finch wrote: > In the section about usage() and manual page synopsys lines, the > text refers to what I call "square brackets" as "braces". I think > this is confusing and should be changed according to the diff below. > This also makes it consistent with the Jargon File. I agree that the text as is, is wrong. However, I think the correct names for these things should be used: parentheses ( ) braces { } brackets [ ] Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 11:13: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B130637C30F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Fordman302@aol.com) Received: from Fordman302@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.c6.7e1480b (15875) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:12:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:12:49 EDT From: Fordman302@aol.com Subject: Find Command To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-Id: <20000713181259.B130637C30F@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: When I use the find command it brings up the system files, when I use "find . -atime +20" Is there a way to list just the files and directories I have created? I tried find * but I get hte arg too large. Thanks. Sean Gilles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:12:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (tmp1.BSDI.COM [207.174.118.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7FC37C1B2 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11729 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:46:19 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:46:19 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: O'Reilly documentation summit. Questions, comments? Message-ID: <20000713014619.A11669@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, I'll be attending an O'Reilly 'Documentation Summit' this Sunday, just before their open source conference next week. I probably shouldn't do this, but read on for an attendee list, and a rough agenda. Has anyone got any other points they would like me to raise, or issues to discuss? I'm planning on having a lot to say about the tools and formats section, the translation section, and the publishing section, and will be spending more time than listening than talking on the others. Note that this is an invite-only thing (sorry 'bout that) so please don't just turn up. But if anyone's planning on attending the O'Reilly conference and wants to meet up on the Sunday evening then drop me a line and we can go for a beer. N > We would be delighted to have you or your representative participate in > the Open Source Documentation Summit. You've been recommended for > attendance by both Frank and Debbie Lidl. > > Listed below are the confirmed attendees for the Open Source > Documentation Summit to be held Sunday, July, 16 from 8 AM to 6 PM at > the Marriott Conference Center, Monterey, CA. We have chosen the day > before our Open Source conference, and a location in the Marriott > Conference Center that is hosting the conference, because it is > convenient for many participants. I've also included the O'Reilly > employees scheduled to attend the event. Each of the people listed are > included in the docsummit@oreilly.com alias. > > The questions we plan on addressing during the summit are provided at > the end of this message. The summit, which is by invitation only, will > discuss the basic questions of motivation, quality, tools, and licensing > that concern developers and writers. Our hope is that Open Source > communities can make faster progress by aggregating our knowledge and > finding grounds for agreement. We are interested in these questions at > O'Reilly & Associates because we think we can work constructively with > software teams on the documentation of their software, but we intend > discussion to be of general interest and not be limited to book > publication by any means. > > I can provide you a complimentary pass to the conference although you > will be responsible for the cost of your travel and accommodations. > Please let me know as soon as possible if you will be attending. > > Regards, > Laurie > > Jeremy Allison jeremy@valinux.com > Guylhem Aznar guylhemlistes@pop.ifrance.com > Eric Bischoff ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr > Mark Galassi rosalia@nis.lanl.gov > Andrew Leonard aleonard@salon.com > Debbie Lidl dgl@bsdi.com > Lenny Muellner len@oreilly.com > Dan Mueth d-mueth@uchicago.edu > Mike Olson mao@sleepycat.com > Bruce Perens bruce@hams.com > Eric Raymond esr@snark.thyrsus.com > Chip Salzenberg chip@perl.org > Drew Streib d@valinux.com > Norman Walsh ndw@nwalsh.com > David Wiley dw2@opencontent.org > > Tim O'Reilly, Founder & President tim@oreilly.com > Frank Willison, Editor in Chief frank@oreilly.com > Laurie Petrycki, Executive Editor lauriep@oreilly.com > Andy Oram, Editor andyo@oreilly.com > Chuck Toporek, Editor chuck@oreilly.com > Frank Pohlmann, Editor fpohlman@oreilly.com > Betsy Waliszewski, Product Marketing Manager betsy@oreilly.com > > 1. How does a team motivate people to write good documentation for > Open Source software? How do you deal with payments when multiple > authors are involved, particularly over many revisions? > > 2. Software is usually updated much more often than people have > opportunities to do a thorough documentation rewrite; the rewrite > would deal with the ripple effect of a new feature through all the > guide-like material. What can a team do to provide minimally > up-to-date documentation and also ensure that a well-integrated > rewrite takes place eventually? How does the community submit > revisions and corrections? > > 3. What is the appropriate way to write and distribute various types of > documentation that differ in size and longevity (Books, HOWTOs, FAQs, > release notes, etc.)? Is there a path that information can follow (from > a HOWTO to a chapter in a book, for instance), receiving more time and > attention as its audience and importance grow? > > 4. How can the professional services of a publisher (editorial, art, > etc.) help? What is the best way for a team to keep in contact and in > sync with a publisher, when that publisher is responsible for marketing > and > distribution? > > 5. What tools and formats should be used to create documentation? > While people could ideally use any tool they find convenient to create > a document, experience shows that contributors complain that current > tools are hard to use with the most desirable document formats. The > Open Source community should be concerned with making tools and > formats more flexible and easy to use. Furthermore, each software team > should set writing guidelines. > > 6. The development and distribution of Open Source software has been > international for a long time. What tools and management models can > help develop a non-English documentation project? What is the most > effective way to create translations? > > 7. How does a team publish documents (including hard-copy, online, and > distribution media like CD-ROMs)? > > 8. Can open-content advocates settle on a good, small set of licenses > that cover the options in which authors and software teams would be > interested? (Licenses are last because, while they're important for > document reuse, they are not directly concerned with the need to > actually create the content, which is the first concern of the > workshop.) > > 9. Can we work together to ensure the successful co-existance of > sufficient free and non-free documentation? -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:13: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (tmp1.BSDI.COM [207.174.118.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9295B37C156 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11526; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:14:17 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:14:17 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jesse W Scott Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation Project Message-ID: <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com>; from Mathemajikian@home.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 08:35:37PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jesse, On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 08:35:37PM -0500, Jesse W Scott wrote: > I am wanting to join and help out with the documentation project that > seems to really need alittle more help. I would like to know what I need > to fill out to join We're not that formal. You join by contributing :-) > and what I can do to help. We have a range of things in progress, and general tasks. 1. Read and update the existing documentation as necessary. For example, if you discover that a man page, or a section in the Handbook no longer reflects the current state of FreeBSD then submit updates to the docs. 2. Volunteer to produce a conspectus for one of the lists, see http://www.FreeBSD.org/conspectus/ for more information. 3. Submit new documentation (articles, chapters or sections for the Handbook, Q&A for the FAQ. . .) 4. Read the -questions mailing list, and make sure that our FAQ is actually answering questions that are frequently asked. 5. Read through the various PRs in the doc category. If some of them suggest changes but don't include any actual suggested text to change then try and write something that's better than what we have, and submit it back for a committer to commit. 6. Pick a Linux HOWTO. Contact the original author and ask if they mind it being rewritten to be more generic, so that it can cover Linux and BSD. If they say yes then do so, and submit it back to us as an article. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:13: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (tmp1.BSDI.COM [207.174.118.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D134337BDED; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11515; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:06:40 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:06:35 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Greg Lehey , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000713010635.A11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 02:54:51PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben, On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 02:54:51PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > If you are using FreeBSD 3 or earlier, you should make a stripped > copy of the debug kernel, rather than installing the large debug > kernel itself: [...] > If you install and boot the debug kernel, without stripping > it as described above, symbol table lookup time for some programs > will drastically increase. Note also that older releases of > FreeBSD (up to but not including 3.1) used a.out kernels by > default, which must have their symbol tables permanently resident > in physical memory. With the larger symbol table in an unstripped > debug kernel, this is wasteful. Recent FreeBSD releases use ELF > kernels where this is no longer a problem. Yes. But wrap it in "...". N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C085237C562 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA62717; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007131920.MAA62717@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: parish Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Reply-To: parish Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: parish To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:10:47 +0100 How about: -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, which is the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)) or -r print _seconds_ as a date and time, where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:45:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.securitydynamics.com (tholian.securid.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8058037B5DE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ecogren@rsasecurity.com) Received: from sdtihq24.securitydynamics.com by tholian.securitydynamics.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 19:45:06 UT Received: from exna00.securitydynamics.com (exna00.securitydynamics.com [10.2.1.110]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24426; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exna00.securitydynamics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ogren, Eric C." To: "'parish'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r op tion Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:44:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm...how bout a compromise? -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: parish [mailto:stonewall@btinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 3:20 PM > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > description of -r > option > > > The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been > noted by GNATS. > > From: parish > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > description of -r option > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:10:47 +0100 > > How about: > > -r print out the date and time represented by > _seconds_, which is > the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, > January 1, > 1970; see time(3)) > > or > > -r print _seconds_ as a date and time, where _seconds_ > is the number of > seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see > time(3)). > > -- > If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, > am I entitled to my money back? > ________________________________________________________________ > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:49:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8867437C589; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA67566; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007131949.MAA67566@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19648: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: handbook mentions stripping kernel.debug, but this is done for you Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jul 13 20:48:48 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm working on this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19648 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 12:49:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.securitydynamics.com (tholian.securid.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06EDE37C502 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ecogren@rsasecurity.com) Received: from sdtihq24.securitydynamics.com by tholian.securitydynamics.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 19:49:40 UT Received: from exna00.securitydynamics.com (exna00.securitydynamics.com [10.2.1.110]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24674; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exna00.securitydynamics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:49:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ogren, Eric C." To: "Ogren, Eric C." , "'parish'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r op tion Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:49:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org grr.. > > Hmm...how bout a compromise? > > -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, ^prints > where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch > (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: parish [mailto:stonewall@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 3:20 PM > > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > > description of -r > > option > > > > > > The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been > > noted by GNATS. > > > > From: parish > > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > > description of -r option > > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:10:47 +0100 > > > > How about: > > > > -r print out the date and time represented by > > _seconds_, which is > > the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, > > January 1, > > 1970; see time(3)) > > > > or > > > > -r print _seconds_ as a date and time, where _seconds_ > > is the number of > > seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see > > time(3)). > > > > -- > > If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, > > am I entitled to my money back? > > ________________________________________________________________ > > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > > mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 13:35:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D097437C5ED; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Cpgp-0002hL-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:34:35 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Cpgp-00066v-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:34:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:34:35 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ addition Message-ID: <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WU3I8Do+sziGY3UL" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WU3I8Do+sziGY3UL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik Clayton wrote: > 4. Read the -questions mailing list, and make sure that our FAQ is=20 > actually answering questions that are frequently asked. I'm intending to add something like this, --- book.sgml 2000/07/11 21:36:22 1.70 +++ book.sgml 2000/07/13 20:32:50 @@ -8411,6 +8411,20 @@ =20 +Why does top show very little free memory when I +have very few programs running? + +The simple answer is that free memory is wasted memory. +Any memory that your programs don't actively allocate is used +within the FreeBSD kernel as disk cache. The values shown by +top labelled as Inact, +Cache, and Buf are all +cached data at different aging levels. You actually want as little +Free memory as possible. + + + + Why use (what are) a.out and ELF executable formats? My only worry is that it's not detailed enough. Perhaps I could search the -questions archive to find other answers from the past and combine bits from them all... I'll look at that shortly. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --WU3I8Do+sziGY3UL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: B3zogAA/xQeSH8KXMohXCaFDTGpZQXYM iQCVAwUBOW4n2isPVtiZOS99AQEV/QQAl3w+8NxcJ2HxJbZthErzy/ow8OyahNXx z7ROAecXOzNBvdwj2gSGZJ8SAFU5MfDzhq7V1HwzYOE1P3UvHJ/7kiDeQHas5VGB VxmRPU8dA3c3zi9m2CEz3gW5loGOidYMTTIBECo44NXEMWPSAOBhdfPi9hUuQnLl FCwapG0CHaM= =ARTo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WU3I8Do+sziGY3UL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 13:35:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDC637C5F9 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CpAr-0002el-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:01:33 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CpAr-000PEZ-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:01:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:01:33 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: parish Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Message-ID: <20000713210133.J48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007131920.MAA62717@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jITzwD3HDGXid3BE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007131920.MAA62717@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --jITzwD3HDGXid3BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable parish wrote: > How about: > =20 > -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, which is > the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, > 1970; see time(3)) > =20 > or > =20 > -r print _seconds_ as a date and time, where _seconds_ is the number of > seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see > time(3)). Hmm, neither seem quite right, but if we combine them: -r Print the date and time represented by _seconds_, where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch (...) Looks good to me. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --jITzwD3HDGXid3BE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: yuyKQwxPN5VENWHD9SfLCNdsr8w4tMQM iQCVAwUBOW4gHSsPVtiZOS99AQFwBQP/V2mna9cAfsxT8LvUUx9zWMcl0MmeDk1r y+b44TqmeySkHXzGYnCM++T0f5//uU/P0dnye91VWiHAdzDOKTblbMME3BWUSv5A u1Z8bQ8Od+RJu2AZaQC588sGkMH6ca55kLNzGDo6IsuyzAiiT59IsVVCKQLSqVG8 wbtrXK978QQ= =/Qde -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jITzwD3HDGXid3BE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 13:40: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E345F37C608 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA74715; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8777A37C668 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nimrodm@bezeqint.net) Received: from bsd.net.il ([212.179.172.148]) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0FXN00E79L22ZX@mail.bezeqint.net> for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:32:27 +0300 (IDT) Received: (from nimrodm@localhost) by bsd.net.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19794; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:25:33 +0300 (IDT envelope-from nimrodm) Message-Id: <200007132025.XAA19794@bsd.net.il> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:25:33 +0300 (IDT) From: Nimrod Mesika Reply-To: nimrodm@email.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19898: i4btel(4) man page refers to isdnphone(1) and no such software exists Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19898 >Category: docs >Synopsis: i4btel(4) man page refers to isdnphone(1) and no such software exists >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 13 13:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Nimrod Mesika >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: -none- >Environment: i4b in -STABLE as of July 13 2000 >Description: The i4btel(4) manual page refers (4th paragraph and in the SEE ALSO section) to an isdnphone(1) utility. No such utility exists in the system. >How-To-Repeat: man i4btel >Fix: Remove all references (at least for now) or add an isdnphone utility (I might take this on myself if there are written specifications or a at least agreed functionality :) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 13:54:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B216637CA79 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.86.52]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000713205444.WKZB16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:44 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04021; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:47 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Ogren, Eric C." Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r op tion Message-ID: <20000713215447.H237@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ecogren@rsasecurity.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 03:44:50PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Trimmed stonewall@btinternet.com from the Cc:. It was me using Netscape :(] On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 03:44:50PM -0400, Ogren, Eric C. wrote: > Hmm...how bout a compromise? > > -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, > where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch > (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). > I reckon that's the one. Anyone disagree? Shall I commit it? > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: parish [mailto:stonewall@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 3:20 PM > > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > > description of -r > > option > > > > > > The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been > > noted by GNATS. > > > > From: parish > > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading > > description of -r option > > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:10:47 +0100 > > > > How about: > > > > -r print out the date and time represented by > > _seconds_, which is > > the number of seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, > > January 1, > > 1970; see time(3)) > > > > or > > > > -r print _seconds_ as a date and time, where _seconds_ > > is the number of > > seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see > > time(3)). > > > > -- > > If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, > > am I entitled to my money back? > > ________________________________________________________________ > > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > > mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 20:51:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C816F37BDF7; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14232; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29803; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29798; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007140351.XAA29798@rac10.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: "Rolling Your Own Port" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:51:29 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Faced with the task of porting a huge amount of custom software to FreeBSD, I chose to chance to write an article on general Port making. I documented the exact steps taken in porting three very different kind of programs. One is just a custom program, one is GNU Configure based, and the third is just a C file. The result is called "Rolling Your Own Port." There are DVI, HTML, LaTeX, LyX, PDF, Plain Text, and PostScript versions available at http://www.wam.umd.edu/~howardjp/rollyourownport/ dor review. I would appreciate it if a few people looked it over looking for any problems you may see. Anything wrong with language, grammar, incorrect information, etc. should be sent to me so I can fix it. The actual ports themselves were submitted as ports/19906, ports/19907, and ports/19908. Thanks, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 21:40:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.11.88.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851DF37BAC9; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA97861; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA44626; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14702.39370.781772.894664@whale.home-net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:42 -0700 (MST) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: chapter about using the fixit floppy? X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under Emacs 20.7.1 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ cc'ing to -hackers because some content may be relavent outside -doc ] Hello all, Is there a chapter of the Handbook that details how to use the "fixit" floppy? I moved a disk from controller to controller yesterday and in doing so rendered my system unbootable (ad4 went to ad0, fstab is hosed, ooops) because I forgot to change /etc/fstab before shutting down. Rather than just temporarily putting the controller back, rebooting, changing /etc/fstab then moving it again I decided to get some worth out of those CDs I bought (grin :), get my hands dirty, and use the "fixit" option. IMO, it seems like the "fixit" shell one is given via this option (and I suppose by using the "fixit.flp" image) is more difficult to "use" than it should be. I don't profess to be the expert-of-all-gods in FreeBSD but I've sysadmin'ed SunOS boxes and been dorking with FreeBSD since 2.0.5, so I wouldn't consider myself a "newbie" to Unix. Still, it took me a while before I was able to mount my root partition so I could edit the lousy etc/fstab file. I knew the partition I wanted was ad0s1a but there was no device file for this partition in /dev or /dist/dev (aka /mnt2/dev I believe). So, I copied over MAKEDEV from /dist/dev and after seeing reference to using the $MAKEDEVPATH variable I was able to get MAKEDEV to work with a single edit--mknod is hard coded in there as /sbin/mknod but inside the "fixit" shell, mknod is reached through /mnt2/sbin/mknod (there were other trivialities like symlinking /dist/etc/group to /etc/group so mknod wouldn't complain about the group 'operator' not existing, etc.). So, my questions are two-fold: 1) Can we/shouldn't we populate the CD's /dev with every entry that could be created with MAKEDEV (including all the partitions that can be within slices of a disk)? If that were the case, then all I would have had to do was "mount -t ufs /mnt2/dev/ad0s1a /whatever" and went about my business editing. 2) If this is NOT a good thing to do, can we/should we make MAKEDEV not point to /sbin/mknod but rather to something in the path? At that point it should be trivial to write a section of the handbook detailing that all somebody needs to do to make devices is: cd /dev MAKEDEVPATH=$PATH; export MAKEDEVPATH sh /mnt2/dev/MAKEDEV whatever0 and they could then begin the business of fixing what needed fixing. If populating the CD's (and/or fixit floppy's) /dev with all known devices isn't the correct thing to do, I can provide patches to MAKEDEV if that's the correct route as well as a section for the handbook (at least in ASCII--I'll need help sgml'ing it). I'm looking for input from people. Perhaps it was just too late last night and I'm being dense (i.e. is the "fixit" procedure really this 'difficult' to use). Comments? Thanks, -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 13 22: 8:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C733737BD9F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by klapaucius.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03606; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:08:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) X-Authentication-Warning: klapaucius.zer0.org: gsutter set sender to gsutter@zer0.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:08:33 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Rolling Your Own Port" Message-ID: <20000713220833.A3420@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <200007140351.XAA29798@rac10.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007140351.XAA29798@rac10.wam.umd.edu>; from howardjp@wam.umd.edu on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:51:29PM -0400 Organization: daemonnews Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-07-13 23:51 -0400, James Howard wrote: > Faced with the task of porting a huge amount of custom software to > FreeBSD, I chose to chance to write an article on general Port making. > I documented the exact steps taken in porting three very different kind of > programs. One is just a custom program, one is GNU Configure based, and > the third is just a C file. > > The result is called "Rolling Your Own Port." There are DVI, HTML, LaTeX, > LyX, PDF, Plain Text, and PostScript versions available at > > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~howardjp/rollyourownport/ James, Are you interested in having this published in the Daemon News ezine? Let me know please. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape--lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@daemonnews.org PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 0:18:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sensyu.ne.jp (mail.sensyu.ne.jp [210.154.132.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761FA37C60B for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:18:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fuji@sensyu.ne.jp) Received: from mail.sensyu.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sensyu.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2-00061407) with SMTP id QAA29248 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:34 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200007140715.QAA29248@sensyu.ne.jp> From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnV1eWFu?= To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1kb2NARnJlZUJTRC5PUkc=?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOkc9aSRHOkc4ZSROPnBKc0RzNiEhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= "ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B$3$N%a!=%k$N%"%I%l%9$O<}=86He$2$^$9!#(B $B;d$O2<5-#3E@$N%S%8%M%9$GKh7n(B40$B!A(B85$BK|$N<}F~$,$"$j$^$9!#(B $B!J3+;O8e#3%v7nL\0L$G!"K\?&$N<}F~$OF~$l$:!*!K(B $B!c!cI,8+!*9bB.9b<}F~>pJs!*!*!d!d(B $B%"%a%j%+$rH/>MCO$H$7$?6<0RE*$J9b<}F~:_Bp%S%8%M%9$G$9!*(B $B:#7n$K$J$C$F;22Ce$N<}F~$rF@(B $B$F$$$^$9!*(B $B:n6HFbMF$b4JC1$G$9!#@kEA$9$k$@$1!*K\Ev$K6u$$$F$k;~4V$G$G$-$^$9!#(B $BL5NA@kEA>l=j>pJs$bL5NA$GDs6!$7$^$9!*(B $BL5NAEj9F%a%k%^%,%5%$%H(B100$B0J>e!"4uK>\:Y@bL@$7$F$$$^$9!*(B 7/17$B%5!<%S%93+;O!*$G$9$N$G(B $B8=:_EPO?u$OF|$K(B80$B$[$IEPO??t==; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA66884; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kermodei.com (kermodei.com [216.103.110.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4191F37C0F6 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@Kermodei.com) Received: (from markd@localhost) by kermodei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18292; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd) Message-Id: <200007140807.BAA18292@kermodei.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans Reply-To: markd@Kermodei.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19912: update(4) outdated Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19912 >Category: docs >Synopsis: update(4) man page obsolete >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jul 14 01:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Diekhans >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: kermodei >Environment: >Description: The update(4) manual page is outdated and appears to be obsolete. It should probably be replaced with a syncer man page. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 1:25:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52C837B586; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13D0mg-000G8Y-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:22 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ addition Message-ID: <20000714102522.A61949@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:34:35PM +0100 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-07-13 (21:34), Ben Smithurst wrote: > I'm intending to add something like this, > > --- book.sgml 2000/07/11 21:36:22 1.70 > +++ book.sgml 2000/07/13 20:32:50 > @@ -8411,6 +8411,20 @@ > > > > +Why does top show very little free memory when I > +have very few programs running? > + > +The simple answer is that free memory is wasted memory. > +Any memory that your programs don't actively allocate is used > +within the FreeBSD kernel as disk cache. The values shown by > +top labelled as Inact, > +Cache, and Buf are all > +cached data at different aging levels. You actually want as little > +Free memory as possible. > + > + > + > + > Why use (what are) a.out and ELF executable formats? > > > My only worry is that it's not detailed enough. Perhaps I could search > the -questions archive to find other answers from the past and combine > bits from them all... I'll look at that shortly. Oooh, another person foolish enough to attempt to rein in the FAQ. ;) Actually, that looks good. I'd prefer instead of . Also instead of . My (limited) understanding is when you're talking about a program or group of programs, it's , and if you're talking about a somewhat specific command (like "rm -rf /"), it's . You could just skip that, and use &man.top.1; *grin*. Nik, can you give me a refresher? (: Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 1:48:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC4637C0D2; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02038; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11178; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000714102522.A61949@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: FAQ addition Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14-Jul-00 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Thu 2000-07-13 (21:34), Ben Smithurst wrote: >> I'm intending to add something like this, >> >> --- book.sgml 2000/07/11 21:36:22 1.70 >> +++ book.sgml 2000/07/13 20:32:50 >> @@ -8411,6 +8411,20 @@ >> >> >> >> +Why does top show very little free memory when I >> +have very few programs running? >> + >> +The simple answer is that free memory is wasted memory. >> +Any memory that your programs don't actively allocate is used >> +within the FreeBSD kernel as disk cache. The values shown by >> +top labelled as Inact, >> +Cache, and Buf are all >> +cached data at different aging levels. You actually want as little >> +Free memory as possible. This actually is not quite true. You don't want 0 free memory. :) A better way to phrase this might be to explain that the cached data allows the system to use up available free memory to remember things that it has recently used allowing it to avoid having to use the slow disk as often, and thus increasing performance. Free memory is the memory left over after the caching. Or something along those lines. >> + >> + >> + >> + >> Why use (what are) a.out and ELF executable formats? >> >> >> My only worry is that it's not detailed enough. Perhaps I could search >> the -questions archive to find other answers from the past and combine >> bits from them all... I'll look at that shortly. > > Oooh, another person foolish enough to attempt to rein in the FAQ. ;) > > Actually, that looks good. > > I'd prefer instead of . > > Also instead of . My (limited) understanding is > when you're talking about a program or group of programs, it's > , and if you're talking about a somewhat specific command > (like "rm -rf /"), it's . You could just skip that, and use > &man.top.1; *grin*. That's they way I read and , too. However, we always use the man..1 entities when referring to Un*x commands, so &man.top.1; is probably the best choice. > Nik, can you give me a refresher? (: > > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > Sunesi Clinical Systems > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 5:24:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E8B37C0FE; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA01017; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007141224.FAA01017@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, hm@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19898: i4btel(4) man page refers to isdnphone(1) and no such software exists Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: i4btel(4) man page refers to isdnphone(1) and no such software exists Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->hm Responsible-Changed-By: sheldonh Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jul 14 05:24:02 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to the i4b maintainer. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19898 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 5:27:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F8D37C2A9; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA01389; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007141227.FAA01389@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19912: update(4) man page obsolete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: update(4) man page obsolete Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->sheldonh Responsible-Changed-By: sheldonh Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jul 14 05:27:16 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Even if no syncer manual page is forthcoming, this cruft needs to go. I'll make sure cross-references go away as well. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19912 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 6:57: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73637C745; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5Qn-00043e-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:23:05 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5Qn-000CnE-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:23:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:23:05 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Nik Clayton Cc: Greg Lehey , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000714142305.R48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000713010635.A11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2qwbT0JTInWqknst" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000713010635.A11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2qwbT0JTInWqknst Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik Clayton wrote: > Yes. But wrap it in "...". just to confirm, you mean all that text, like this: + + If you are using FreeBSD 3 or earlier, you should make a strip= ped + copy of the debug kernel, rather than installing the large debug + kernel itself: + + &prompt.root; cp kernel kernel.debug +&prompt.root; strip -g kernel + + This stage isn't necessary, but it is recommended. (In + FreeBSD 4 and later releases this step is performed automatically + at the end of the kernel make process.) + When the kernel has been stripped, either automatically or by + using the commands above, you may install it as usual by typing + make install. + + Note that older releases of FreeBSD (up to but not including + 3.1) used a.out kernels by default, which must have their symbol + tables permanently resident in physical memory. With the larger + symbol table in an unstripped debug kernel, this is wasteful. + Recent FreeBSD releases use ELF kernels where this is no longer a + problem. + right? I'll commit this tonight if that's right, and I don't get sidetracked... --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --2qwbT0JTInWqknst Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: OH/nCTu38uw/PLAGerzifSZB4cuW1O8N iQCVAwUBOW8UOSsPVtiZOS99AQGhhAP9HaFiF1zWqfUm5XlXYTCSCD1FKNYf2cLY bYg4fGDBTx7fRaUuxp4cLPkjNwx5K+FrnJjie1MvJhrZoaxji4RJbSbMfifasLwW 9BYkfZEYKBb921qgnuo8XKrCGi8pvUqVC7X0oIyU+IGccZh2oKMIBm3NlawEaFiN A0emZYSc9Tw= =9BsZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2qwbT0JTInWqknst-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 6:57: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788DA37C771; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5HF-000434-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:13:13 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5HF-0009Bk-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:13:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:13:13 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: John Baldwin Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: FAQ addition Message-ID: <20000714141313.O48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000714102522.A61949@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dT+85zccSFkyJC53" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --dT+85zccSFkyJC53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Baldwin wrote: > This actually is not quite true. You don't want 0 free memory. :) > A better way to phrase this might be to explain that the cached data > allows the system to use up available free memory to remember things > that it has recently used allowing it to avoid having to use the > slow disk as often, and thus increasing performance. Free memory is > the memory left over after the caching. Or something along those > lines. ok, is something like this better? The simple answer is that free memory is wasted memory. Any memory that your programs don't actively allocate is used within the FreeBSD kernel as disk cache. The values shown by &man.top.1; labelled as Inact, Cache, and Buf are all cached data at different aging levels. This cached data means the system does not have to=20 access a slow disk again for data it has accessed recently, thus=20 increasing overall performance. In general, a low value shown for Free memory in &man.top.1; is good, provided it is not very low. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --dT+85zccSFkyJC53 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 3uMnrlDONxbpu80+yyaMQDDbVaKKdyd9 iQCVAwUBOW8R6CsPVtiZOS99AQFbLgP/SbUyPMQsCIQm7dxp4XZhzr4bVGKwSX0i qQTjEXdUX34jx3q4Ff8nBM4CN1om5JeMpOCCwS6ON+1ox6+n9UVotTawsJEwxr+P EzD/MTlOvU/LqEcQnLsc3bn+Oz7xxMmReahX6rv9+mVlDlEazgojNgka/T65A5G+ 9hzt8g6SVEA= =6LIx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dT+85zccSFkyJC53-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 6:57: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F97637C778 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5rF-00044n-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:50:25 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13D5rF-000HO3-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:50:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:50:25 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Mark Ovens Cc: "Ogren, Eric C." , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r op tion Message-ID: <20000714145025.T48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000713215447.H237@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X9hp/qFlD/MyfJCu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000713215447.H237@parish> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --X9hp/qFlD/MyfJCu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Ovens wrote: > [Trimmed stonewall@btinternet.com from the Cc:. It was me using Netscape = :(] >=20 > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 03:44:50PM -0400, Ogren, Eric C. wrote: >> Hmm...how bout a compromise? >>=20 >> -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, >> where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch >> (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). >=20 > I reckon that's the one. Anyone disagree? No, looks fine to me. I came up with almost identical wording in another message I think, about the same time as Eric. (I wouldn't include the word "out" since it seems unnecessary, but I'm really not bothered much either way.) Very few people have got involved with this discussion, so I'd say it's safe to commit since no-one really is bothered that much... --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --X9hp/qFlD/MyfJCu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: a+gRWtM76uAyWq7DIYNWzH+5kpPgKheb iQCVAwUBOW8aoSsPVtiZOS99AQFWvwP+LrHCotK9MEYsCSyyBnGNleBhh4ngyYPz Jia4oTp9BMxHPm3FSEEsvDKS/feUCfluuK4+KLLlFay0W7aBzsHZPqevaTaGKxtd IKYKPbHXOQChKb2A7WK+q28JRvdgQT5DVmcHiB69qRzrdMh7dk4km6sWyk6R6+vZ l7IYdiyzgRU= =JVgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X9hp/qFlD/MyfJCu-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 7:19:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9859A37C8AF; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA74902; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007141419.HAA74902@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18880: date.1: merge in OpenBSD enhancements Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: date.1: merge in OpenBSD enhancements State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 14 07:19:31 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thank you! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18880 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 7:33:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB3E37B860 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13D6Wv-0001HI-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:29 +0200 Received: from p3e9d38e5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.157.56.229] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13D6Ws-0001p7-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:27 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E582BAB8C; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:34:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8724014AEB; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:22 +0200 To: Mike Pritchard Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Message-ID: <20000714163322.A58959@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000711045450.A17137@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000711045450.A17137@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:54:50AM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Mike Pritchard (mpp@mppsystems.com): > How about some simple stub man page in /usr/src/share/man/man8 I just wanted to suggest the very same thing. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 9:45:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A286137C88C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13436 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19453 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: docs are broken Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems that the French handbook is a little bit out of whack. Unfortunately, this broke my 2nd attempt to roll the 4.1 release candidate 1 release, so RC1 won't have any docs on it as a result: /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -V nochunks -c /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../..//share/sgml/freebsd.dsl -t sgml /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/book.sgml > book.html /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff/chapter.sgml: 152:8:E: general entity "a.gclarkii" not defined and no default entity /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff/chapter.sgml: 388:8:E: general entity "a.tedm" not defined and no default entity /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff/chapter.sgml: 548:8:E: general entity "a.karl" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. ---------------------------------------- release started at 22:57:08 on 07/13/00 release died at 06:40:22 on 07/14/00 ---------------------------------------- -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 10: 1:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEACF37C6BE; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.88.87]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000714180022.PTWN3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:00:22 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01699; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:00:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:00:57 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Ben Smithurst Cc: "Ogren, Eric C." , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r op tion Message-ID: <20000714180057.A237@parish> References: <20000713215447.H237@parish> <20000714145025.T48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000714145025.T48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@freebsd.org on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:50:25PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:50:25PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > [Trimmed stonewall@btinternet.com from the Cc:. It was me using Netscape :(] > > > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 03:44:50PM -0400, Ogren, Eric C. wrote: > >> Hmm...how bout a compromise? > >> > >> -r print out the date and time represented by _seconds_, > >> where _seconds_ is the number of seconds since the Epoch > >> (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). > > > > I reckon that's the one. Anyone disagree? > > No, looks fine to me. I came up with almost identical wording in > another message I think, about the same time as Eric. (I wouldn't > include the word "out" since it seems unnecessary, but I'm really not > bothered much either way.) > > Very few people have got involved with this discussion, so I'd say it's > safe to commit since no-one really is bothered that much... > OK, except that alex has just committed docs/18880 (merging the OpenBSD date.1 changes, not that it should matter). I'll do it over the weekend sometime (I'm going to build the world tonight). > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D > FreeBSD Documentation Project / -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 10:25:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7B137B888; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA99576; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007141719.KAA99576@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18880: date.1: merge in OpenBSD enhancements Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: date.1: merge in OpenBSD enhancements State-Changed-From-To: closed->analyzed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 14 10:18:40 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Re-Open since it it a possible MFC candidate. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->sheldonh Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jul 14 10:18:40 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Sheldon said, he'd like to merge changes. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18880 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 12:11:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FEE37BDCD for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p26-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.27]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id EAA12205 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:11:42 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:12:07 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: rc.d and rc.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The rc(8) man page has many remarks to the effect that rc.local has been deprecated in favour of rc.d, but there is no man page about rc.d. Something really ought to be done about this. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 14: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729F037BA02; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu (root@rac7.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.147]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23862; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04269; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04264; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007142103.RAA04264@rac7.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac7.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Rolling Your Own Port" In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:16:42 EDT." Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:23 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Trevor John son writes: > > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~howardjp/rollyourownport/ > > In the section about patching the Makefile, you hard-code a path to > /usr/local/. That's considered bad practice, according to > http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-prefix.html . Just after I have followed through on all your corrections except this one. What would be the best way to handle this in a diff? I have posted a revised version at the above address. All the various formats are supported. Thanks, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 14:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2305D37BAE9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA33451; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007142140.OAA33451@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nick Hibma Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Reply-To: Nick Hibma Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18520; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nick Hibma To: Ben Smithurst Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:18:28 +0100 (BST) > What sort of text do you think is needed? I don't really know enough > about USB and stuff to see exactly what you mean. I assume that command > will mean that the USB keyboard acts as the console keyboard from that > point forward? How do you change it back? By using the same command again. A slightly modified / corected version of the text you suggested below: To change the default console keyboard to the another keyboard, for example the first USB keyboard (see ukbd(4)), use the following commands: kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1 < /dev/console To switch back to the default keyboard, use kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0 > The ukbd(4) manpage seems to have a bit more about this, so I explicitly > added a reference to it there rather than expecting people to find it in > the SEE ALSO bit. Yes, that is a good idea. Thanks, Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 14:42:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6E937C819 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Received: from musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (reserve.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.95] (may be forged)) by monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03607 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:42:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de [127.0.0.1]) by musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA41919 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:42:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Message-Id: <200007142142.XAA41919@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de> From: gouders@et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Why don't I get the tutorials with the DOC distribution? Reply-To: gouders@et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:42:43 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I just tried to re-install the DOC distribution using /stand/sysinstall and recognized that (for example in the English language case) the parts I got were /usr/share/doc/en/articles and /usr/share/doc/en/books but the one that I wanted, /usr/share/doc/en/tutorials, was missing. Well, I started to reread the HTML version of docproj-primer online from FreeBSD.org but my eyes began to hurt and I said to myself: "Why don't you just get the post script version, send it to the printer and stop causing pain to your already weak eyes, anymore?"... Now, I am somewhat frustrated, because I haven't been successful even with that simple task. I would be glad if someone could explain me the "usual" way to get the tutorials. I would also like know, if it is possible to get other formats than HTML and plain text out of the DOC distribution using /stand/sysinstall. (I did not mention that I tried it on machines running 3.4-RELEASE and 4.0-RELEASE, because I guess I am missing something that is not release specific.) Dirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 19:34:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7360C37B92F; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gbuchana@home.com) Received: from localhost.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.85.94]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000715023428.QHLR316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@localhost.on.rogers.wave.ca>; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:34:28 -0700 Content-Length: 1654 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14702.39370.781772.894664@whale.home-net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: gbuchana@home.com From: Gardner Buchanan To: John Reynolds Subject: RE: chapter about using the fixit floppy? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04:40:42 John Reynolds wrote: > > Is there a chapter of the Handbook that details how to use the "fixit" > floppy? > I just recently had an "interesting" fixit experience as well. Device entries are just part of it. I think a general outline of the "fixit" environment is needed, together with a description of how to handle some common tasks in the environment. The Fixit environment is sufficiently bizarre that even a seasoned UNIX pro will likely have trouble figuring things out. This is complicated a little by there being three distinct Fixit environments that vary wildly: o Holographic Fixit shell, o Fixit Diskette, and o CD Fixit. I'd like to see a "Fixit" section somewhere under "Advanced Topics". It might have a couple of sentences about single user mode, but mostly discuss Fixit environments. It would deal with the three main environments. For each, outlining o what gets mounted where, o where your shell is chroot'ed to (if anywhere), o what things are in the path and what they're capable of, and o how to carry out some basic tasks The example tasks might be: o doing a disklabel/newfs o installing boot blocks o restoring a dump o fixing an fstab John's experiences would fit somewhere into this I'm sure. I'd like to give something like this a go, unless there is already material in place that I don't know about. Any suggestions about topics that I've missed? Pointers to source materials? See you, ============================================================ Gardner Buchanan Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 14 19:40: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0B237BB51 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA61254; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6EF37B75B for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpapalia@wondermutt.net) Received: (from jpapalia@localhost) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11887; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:34:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jpapalia) Message-Id: <200007150234.WAA11887@wondermutt.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:34:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jpapalia@wondermutt.net Reply-To: jpapalia@wondermutt.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/19941: Typo in docproj primer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19941 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in docproj primer >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jul 14 19:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: John >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: http://www.FreeBSD.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/sgml-markup.html >Description: Example 4-20 is mis-stated. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: Diff: *** sgml-markup.html.old Fri Jul 14 21:47:19 2000 --- sgml-markup.html Fri Jul 14 21:47:40 2000 *************** *** 771,777 ****

Example 4-20. Linking to a named part of ! another document

Assume that the para1 example resides in this document

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Example 4-20. Linking to a named part of ! the same document

Assume that the para1 example resides in this document

>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 0:14: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (chilled.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B4C37C497 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@freebsddiary.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03933; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:13:17 +1200 (NZST) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "Michael C. Wu" , jim Weeks Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:13:17 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TrueType Fonts Reply-To: dan@freebsddiary.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org, dan@freebsddiary.org Message-ID: <3970B7CD.26986.310B5D9C@localhost> In-reply-to: <20000511220003.A88399@peorth.iteration.net> References: <39182AF6.EE4C8AB7@siteplus.com>; from jim@siteplus.com on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:12:54AM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After a very long delay, this will be going in tonight. The only change I made was to specify /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ for startup as /etc/rc.local is deprecated. On 11 May 2000, at 22:00, Michael C. Wu wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:12:54AM -0400, jim Weeks scribbled: > | On Tue, 9 May 2000, Michael Chin-Yuan Wu wrote: > | TrueType fonts for FreeBSD/XFree86 > | > | The following operation requires root access. > | > | The easiest way to use TrueType (*.ttf) fonts in FreeBSD/XFree86 is to > first install XfStt from the ports collection. This port is found under > X11-servers. | | Once installed you will need to create the directory > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts /TrueType which is where XfStt looks for fonts. > Next you should populate the directory with fonts. | | TrueType (*.ttf) > fonts are easily found and several are even available for do wnload on the > Microsoft web site. One way to get the fonts is to zip the font d irectory > on that old Ms Windows machine before you reformat the drive for FreeB SD. > If you are lucky enough to have the old machine on a local network you may > want to ftp the fonts over to your FreeBSD machine. | | Once you have the > fonts in your new TrueType directory you are ready to start > the server. You can start it by simply typing "xfstt &" at the command > prompt > . You should insure that xfstt is started at boot time. This is easily > accomplished by adding the following lines to /etc/rc.local | | > /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt & | echo "XfStt" | | The font database will be > synchronized the first time you start the server. If you wish to add fonts > later you will need to stop the server and type "xfstt --sync" to > re-synchronize the database. | | The last thing you need to do is make > Xfree86 recognize your new fonts. In o rder to do this you will need to > add the following line to your list of fonts in /etc/XF86Config, | | > FontPath "unix/:7100" | | where "7100" is the default port for the native > FreeBSD version of XfStt. | | You should now be ready to start X and test > your installation. If you have N etscape installed you can check under > Edit/Preferences/Fonts. The new fonts should now be visible in the > Variable width fonts menu. | > > ---end quoted text--- > > After reading this over, I find that this tutorial may not be a great > part of the distribution. However, I know a great place for this > article and should not require much if any modification. > Please consider allowing www.freebsddiary.org to have this article. > I am sure that Dan would put it in the Diary. Would you consider it? Jim > > > Thank you very much, > > > -- > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | > | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net - Yes, this is a conspiracy. | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 0:32:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A8E37B531; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA04598; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007150732.AAA04598@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dgilbert@velocet.ca, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, steve@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19604: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Web query interface doesn't search or Originator correctly State-Changed-From-To: feedback->open State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 00:31:24 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Re-Open, this seems to be a problem. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->steve Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 00:31:24 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to GNATS admin http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19604 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 0:48:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC1937BC11; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA06442; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007150748.AAA06442@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jpapalia@wondermutt.net, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19941: Typo in docproj primer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in docproj primer State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 00:48:03 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19941 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 1: 2: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636FA37B7D7; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA07487; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007150802.BAA07487@freefall.freebsd.org> To: clefevre@citeweb.net, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19163: stf manual and kernel mismatch Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: stf manual and kernel mismatch State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 01:00:04 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: You were right - in fact the stf support was temporarily hacked into the gif device. However, the manpage was already written for the latter stf device, which was merged from KAME into /sys/net/if_stf.c in early July. Today, it was MFCed to STABLE, and thus, the manpage is correct now :) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19163 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 1:31:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0266937B810; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA10528; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007150831.BAA10528@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/17916: [PATCH] rewrite of cutting-edge section of handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] rewrite of cutting-edge section of handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->alex Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 01:30:37 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'd like to took a look at this one http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17916 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 1:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A33637B540 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA10963; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007150840.BAA10963@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Subject: Re: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Reply-To: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18807; it has been noted by GNATS. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) To: jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:40 +0200 Thus spake jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG (jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG): > We do not publish instructions for -STABLE users to update > their systems to the next -STABLE release via a source upgrade. > "/usr/src/UPDATING" is not for -stable consumption. Hmm. I'm not sure if I agree. The handbook-part of "make world" clearly states, that one should read UPDATING to encouter specific problems that can occur while updating. These information can't be included into the handbook, since the handbook applies to all branches and would only waste space. That is, what UPDATING is for. On the other hand, -stable's UPDATING is kept VERY userfriendly, and I really don't see a problem with it. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 2: 3:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7555E37C4D9; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA12183; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007150903.CAA12183@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18243: wrong description of -p option in sh(1) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: wrong description of -p option in sh(1) manpage Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->alex Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 02:02:56 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I think the current behaviour w/ -p is a bug of sh, not of the documentation. However, I have my hands in it now, and will take a look at it after I have comments about the possible bug. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18243 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 4:46: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [204.97.17.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC83437B5FF; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (right/backatcha) with ESMTP id e6FBjs519229; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:45:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Rolling Your Own Port" In-Reply-To: <200007142103.RAA04264@rac7.wam.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > In the section about patching the Makefile, you hard-code a path to > > /usr/local/. That's considered bad practice, according to > > http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-prefix.html . Just after > > I have followed through on all your corrections except this one. What > would be the best way to handle this in a diff? The handbook entry I mentioned says: this can often be done by simply replacing the occurrences of /usr/local (or /usr/X11R6 for X ports that do not use imake) in the various scripts/Makefiles in the port to read PREFIX, as this variable is automatically passed down to every stage of the build and install processes. Since you're patching a makefile, that would probably work (I don't have access to FreeBSD just now to try it). > I have posted a revised version at the above address. All the various > formats are supported. I took a quick look and noticed something else. In the part about your port of Gate, you have a line man/man1/gate.1 If you followed the advice of http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/x58.html#AEN84 you'd instead put a line MAN1= gate.1 in the Makefile for your port. -- Trevor Johnson http://jpj.net/~trevor/gpgkey.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 9:20:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AAC37C45A for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA56815; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 68C1337B749; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000715161347.68C1337B749@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: ushida@msa.biglobe.ne.jp To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/19949: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19949 >Category: docs >Synopsis: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jul 15 09:20:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jun Ushida >Release: 4.1-RC >Organization: secret!! >Environment: FreeBSD olive.localdomain 4.1-RC FreeBSD 4.1-RC #0: Sat Jul 15 08:35:55 JST 2000 root@olive.localdomain:/usr1/obj/usr1/src/sys/WAKANA i386 >Description: An error in writing of the explanation in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse causes misinterpretation and inconsistency with cvsup(1). Although cvsup(1) says `There is currently no provision for comments in refuse files.', in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse: #You can copy this file to your sup directory and uncomment or add #whatever you would like. I propose to change the above two lines in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse to: #You can copy this file to your sup directory and uncomment or add #whatever you would like. It should be noted that any comment must be #removed from refuse files as there is currently no provision for comments. or add the following lines to /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse. #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- #CAUTION:Any comment must be removed from refuse files as there is currently # no provision for comments. #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there are comments in /usr/sup/refuse by mistake caused by the explanation in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse, the behavior of `cvsup' depends strongly on the server-defined collection of files and even on the comments. This is the cause of the delayed finding of this problem. For example, 1. If one uses the whole /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse as /usr/sup/refuse, cvsup works for `ports-all' and donsn't work for 'src-all'(no error but never update). 2. If one uses the modified /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse where the second line from the end of the file (#Use this feature with care -- many parts of the src distribution depend) are removed, cvsup works for `ports-all' and `src-all'. Best regards, Jun Ushida >How-To-Repeat: Uses the whole /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse as /usr/sup/refuse. The command `cvsup' works for `ports-all' and donsn't work for 'src-all'(no error but never update). >Fix: Modify /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse as I proposed. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 9:40: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AD937BAFA for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA58744; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151640.JAA58744@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18520; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:59:00 +0100 Nick Hibma wrote: > To change the default console keyboard to the another > keyboard, for example the first USB keyboard (see ukbd(4)), use > the following commands: > > kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1 < /dev/console > > To switch back to the default keyboard, use > > kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0 how about this addition as well: .It Fl k Ar keyboard_device Use the specified device as the console keyboard. +When using this option, the standard input of the +.Nm +process should be redirected from +.Pa /dev/console +if you are not working on the system console or a virtual terminal +(see +.Sx EXAMPLES +section). Or, if you don't speak mdoc: -k keyboard_device Use the specified device as the console keyboard. When using this option, the standard input of the kbdcontrol process should be redirected from /dev/console if you are not working on the system console or a virtual terminal (see EXAMPLES section). -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 9:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4D237C619 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA58749; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151640.JAA58749@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18520; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:50:01 +0100 Nick Hibma wrote: > To change the default console keyboard to the another > keyboard, for example the first USB keyboard (see ukbd(4)), use > the following commands: > > kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1 < /dev/console > > To switch back to the default keyboard, use > > kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0 ok, I'll commit this soon. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 9:53:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFC537B59B; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from marko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA60069; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007151653.JAA60069@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bobj@atlantic.net, marko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: date man page has misleading description of -r option State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: marko State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 09:51:35 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed with minor changes, Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18792 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 10:30: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8E037C5EA for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA65143; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151730.KAA65143@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/18379: Information on SSH hard to find in Handbook Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18379; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18379: Information on SSH hard to find in Handbook Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:10:22 +0100 > Description > > The FreeBSD Handbook (as of 3 May 00) at > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ does not list SSH in the Table > of Contents, although other security tools such as SSL are in the > TOC. This makes it difficult for someone reading the Handbook to > locate information on SSH, even though the information is there. > > How-To-Repeat > > Read the Table of Contents for the Handbook. Also look at > Section 8.3, "Securing FreeBSD" (including its subsections), and > note that it contains a fair amount of information on SSH. > > Fix > > Although a complete solution would require re-writing part of the > handbook, an adequate interim solution would be to rename Section > 8.3 from "Securing FreeBSD" to "Securing FreeBSD: SSH and Other > Tools" (or some similar title that mentions SSH). I think Nik (and maybe other docproj people) are looking at indexing the Handbook so you could just lookup "ssh" there. Adding "SSH" to the title seems like a bit of a special case hack, and it shouldn't be too difficult to find, since people looking for "ssh" will probably be at least vaguely interested in the whole "Security" section anyway. Perhaps someone else has thoughts on this? If you want to break up that section into two parts, one about SSH, and one about the other stuff already covered, that might be better. :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 10:30:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C6E37BC9F for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA65137; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151730.KAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19894: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19894; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Tony Finch , FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19894: confusingly-named punctuation in style(9) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:55:51 +0100 --yhze8HlyfmXt1APY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sheldon Hearn wrote: > I agree that the text as is, is wrong. However, I think the correct > names for these things should be used: > =20 > parentheses ( ) > braces { } > brackets [ ] Probably. I think saying "square brackets" would make it clearer (I suspect a lot of people think of "(" and ")" as "brackets"), but since an example is given anyway I suppose just "brackets" is adequate. How about this then? I found one other thing which I think should be fixed while I'm there... --- style.9 2000/03/19 16:52:59 1.33 +++ style.9 2000/07/15 16:51:19 @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ OR , but not both! includes , and it's okay to depend on that. .Bd -literal -offset 0i -#include /* Non-local includes in brackets. */ +#include /* Non-local includes in angle brackets. */ .Ed .Pp If it's a network program, put the network include files next. @@ -470,16 +470,16 @@ not fputs/puts/putchar/whatever; it's faster and usually cleaner, not to mention avoiding stupid bugs. .Pp -Usage statements should look like the manual pages synopsis. Options w/o +Usage statements should look like the manual pages synopsis. Options with= out operands come first, in alphabetical order inside a single set of -braces, followed by options with operands, in alphabetical order, -each in braces, followed by required arguments in the order they -are specified, followed by optional arguments in the order they -are specified. A bar +brackets, followed by options with operands, in alphabetical order, +each in brackets, followed by required arguments in the order they +are specified, not in brackets, followed by optional arguments in the orde= r they +are specified, in brackets. A bar .Pq Sq \&| separates either-or options/arguments, and multiple options/arguments which are specified together are -placed in a single set of braces. +placed in a single set of brackets. .Pp .Bd -ragged -offset 0.3i "usage: f [-aDde] [-b b_arg] [-m m_arg] req1 req2 [opt1 [opt2]]\en" --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --yhze8HlyfmXt1APY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: P1raC1Go5DaYt+yswBYZKrTtrGOxGi2j iQCVAwUBOXCXlysPVtiZOS99AQHFGwP+NZ3hfh89yyFdj/UfV727K91KP5hRkVaA PVAXOSFysscX+yoZXTppe7Gtywe2VmF4BII2aEcOdUMshGnZvCbZ7bGvOZuKXX3Q Wa+ETGL4iTcBnzDPF1r5HAUmiA+bECK65/Oea4gfpRaACOSV67Ze4JWT6UCxAMOi w+bovgY5mqQ= =AJZN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yhze8HlyfmXt1APY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 10:30:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB6C37C657 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA65148; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151730.KAA65148@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19949: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19949; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: ushida@msa.biglobe.ne.jp Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19949: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:47:39 +0100 ushida@msa.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: > or add the following lines to /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse. > #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > #CAUTION:Any comment must be removed from refuse files as there is currently > # no provision for comments. > #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, how about this: --- refuse 2000/04/13 14:40:39 1.1 +++ refuse 2000/07/15 16:45:55 @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ #CVSup "base" directory, your sup directory is /usr/sup. If you have #changed your base directory, your sup directory is /path/to/base/sup. # +#NOTE: CVSup currently does not understand comments (lines beginning +#with a `#' character) in refuse files, so please remember to remove all +#such comments if you intend to use this file as a starting point for +#creating your own refuse file. +# #Use this example if you have modified /usr/src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc #to reflect your local configuration, and you do not want CVSup to #overwrite it: If no-one objects, or beats me to it, I'll commit this soon. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 11:20:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348DE37C6B3 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA70155; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151820.LAA70155@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jun USHIDA Subject: Re: docs/19949: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). Reply-To: Jun USHIDA Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19949; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jun USHIDA To: ben@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19949: The description of /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse is inconsistent with cvsup(1). Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:17:32 +0900 (JST) In article <20000715174739.L84045@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> ben@FreeBSD.org wrote: |Hmm, how about this: --- an omission of a middle part --- |If no-one objects, or beats me to it, I'll commit this soon. Thank you for your prompt reply. I approve of your proposal. -- Jun Ushida To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 12:12:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C0737B67F for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danflemming@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (HSE-London-ppp105972.sympatico.ca [216.209.107.205]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15909; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3970B730.C4D28290@mac.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:10:41 -0400 From: Dan Flemming X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Suggested addition to PPP FAQ - solution for Macintoshes and Black Hole DSL routers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At http://www.ca.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/ppp.html#AEN3716 you have some advice for Win9x users connecting through a FreeBSD box that's running PPPoE and NAT. Well, Macs have the same problem (the default MTU on MacOS 9 at least is 1500), but a different solution, which I just found. :) There's a program called OTAdvancedTuner (OT for OpenTransport, the MacOS TCP/IP stack) made by a company called Sustainable Softworks, http://www.softworks.com/ The program is shareware, $15 US I believe (haven't registered yet, just got it), with a 21-day tryout period. It allows you to configure a bunch of TCP/IP settings on the Mac. The relevant one for the black hole problem is ip_interface_MTU; Mac NAT users should select that from the drop-down menu, enter 1450 instead of 1500 in the box (it allows up to 64000, imagine that :) and then click the box next to Save as Auto Configure and then click Make Active. This seems to have solved my current problem... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 14: 8:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5940937B6FC for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 4832C9B1C; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B17BBA11; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Dan Flemming Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Suggested addition to PPP FAQ - solution for Macintoshes and Black Hole DSL routers In-Reply-To: <3970B730.C4D28290@mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-480780350-963695323=:93031" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-480780350-963695323=:93031 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Dan Flemming wrote: > At http://www.ca.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/ppp.html#AEN3716 you have some advice > for Win9x users connecting through a FreeBSD box that's running PPPoE > and NAT. Well, Macs have the same problem (the default MTU on MacOS 9 at > least is 1500), but a different solution, which I just found. :) > See the attached patch. My SGML is not the best so I'm sure it will need a little fixing up. ----- Chris D. 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Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13DYwc-0007Ov-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:53:54 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13DYwc-000N7h-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:53:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:53:54 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Dan Flemming Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Suggested addition to PPP FAQ - solution for Macintoshes and Black Hole DSL routers Message-ID: <20000715215354.R84045@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3970B730.C4D28290@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VnOTrGv5LmZxna7m" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3970B730.C4D28290@mac.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VnOTrGv5LmZxna7m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan Flemming wrote: > At http://www.ca.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/ppp.html#AEN3716 you have some advice > for Win9x users connecting through a FreeBSD box that's running PPPoE > and NAT. Well, Macs have the same problem (the default MTU on MacOS 9 > at least is 1500), but a different solution, which I just found. :) > > There's a program called OTAdvancedTuner (OT for OpenTransport, the > MacOS TCP/IP stack) made by a company called Sustainable Softworks, > http://www.softworks.com/ The program is shareware, $15 US I believe > (haven't registered yet, just got it), with a 21-day tryout period. It > allows you to configure a bunch of TCP/IP settings on the Mac. The > relevant one for the black hole problem is ip_interface_MTU; Mac NAT > users should select that from the drop-down menu, enter 1450 instead > of 1500 in the box (it allows up to 64000, imagine that :) and then > click the box next to Save as Auto Configure and then click Make > Active. This seems to have solved my current problem... Thanks -- I'll probably add something like this soon. In future, you should use send-pr(1) to send your changes so they don't get lost. Sending diffs to the SGML source would also be nice, but a PR without a diff is better than no PR at all, of course. :-) --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --VnOTrGv5LmZxna7m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 1ZM11Tt5eUfo2EaROVBMbRX9Vu4Umm6g iQCVAwUBOXDPYSsPVtiZOS99AQF25QQAke80SHchUmt2B2OVwfTMJzWlHFeurDpq RHKv87ZG36jb6hSTaHNqlpw72P9/oVPNn5jYQ18iRqyghYuSKSN69FEDxmBkHOnQ 3uBeyYYgHjV3JN3xFtbVaf73Txv7D2aRIIab0017Tzb7EH0m+2kjWMbU7uoVhcz2 pKzen86doe4= =97HL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VnOTrGv5LmZxna7m-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 15 15:29:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4B537B8A3; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA06336; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007152229.PAA06336@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mellon@pobox.com, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18593: VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 15 23:27:39 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed in -current, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18593 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message