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Hi,

I've sent an e-mail to freebsd-questions, but I havn't had a helpful response.
I thought that I could get a better response from here.


I recently CVSup'd to FreeBSD 4.0 from 3.4, and now my IDE cdrom dosn't work.
I have MAKEDEV'd all the devices, CVSup'd again and made world, i've built
several new kernels, and it still dosn't work. The cdrom won't even work if I
boot from the generic kernel (which i also rebuilt).

all the IDE devices are detected properly at boot time...
----
atapci0: <Intel PIIX4 ATA33 controller> port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ad0: 6187MB <FUJITSU MPB3064ATU E> [13410/15/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad1: 2014MB <WDC AC22100H> [4092/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2
acd0: CDROM <ATAPI CD-ROM DRIVE 36X MAXIMUM> at ata1-master using PIO4
----

but when I goto mount a cdrom...
----
neptune# mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
cd9660: Device not configured
----

I have in my kernel:
----
options         CD9660                  #ISO 9660 Filesystem
# ATA and ATAPI devices
device          ata
device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
device          atapifd                 # ATAPI floppy drives
device          atapist                 # ATAPI tape drives
----


The cdrom is a master on the secondary IDE controller.
I have read that there is problems with some secondary IDE controllers, but
this one has worked fine with all previous version of FreeBSD (with the wdc and
acd drivers). I can't put it on the primary controller, as I already have 2 HDDs
there, and they can't be moved as they are both boot drives (one for fbsd and
the other for windoze).

What am I doing wrong? or is it a bug that is yet to be resolved? (If so, is
there anything at all that I can do to use my cdrom in the mean time?)

Thanks in advance,
Shaun

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Just curious to know if anyone has noticed anything strange happening in
4.0r...I have one test server that was running pretty slick under 3.3,
and I recently popped 4.0 on it and well it hasn't been the same
since...I noticed the ls120 was causing it to become unstable after a
couple of hours and I would often walk by the machine to find it
rebooting...Naturally I removed the drive and it has improved but it
still seems to be rebooting itself once or twince during a 24hr
period...

X seems to run ok on it, still haven't gotten sound back up
yet...SBawe64 (isa)

by the by, it's an AMD k6450 256M and 10g hd. ATI (AGP) 8M
Dual SMC nics...for NAT & ipfw...


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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Sun Mar 26 23:40:21 2000
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I think something must be wrong in the secondary IDE drivers...I tried to
install 4.0 to my Secondary dedicated harddisk (IBM 3gig) and install hangs
at the newfs bit.

I'll try installing it to my primary harddisk and report back....


----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Dwyer <zeus@quakeclan.net>
To: <freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: IDE CDrom problems in 4.0


> Hi,
>
> I've sent an e-mail to freebsd-questions, but I havn't had a helpful
response.
> I thought that I could get a better response from here.
>
>
> I recently CVSup'd to FreeBSD 4.0 from 3.4, and now my IDE cdrom dosn't
work.
> I have MAKEDEV'd all the devices, CVSup'd again and made world, i've built
> several new kernels, and it still dosn't work. The cdrom won't even work
if I
> boot from the generic kernel (which i also rebuilt).
>
> all the IDE devices are detected properly at boot time...
> ----
> atapci0: <Intel PIIX4 ATA33 controller> port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1
on pci0
> ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> ad0: 6187MB <FUJITSU MPB3064ATU E> [13410/15/63] at ata0-master using
UDMA33
> ad1: 2014MB <WDC AC22100H> [4092/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2
> acd0: CDROM <ATAPI CD-ROM DRIVE 36X MAXIMUM> at ata1-master using PIO4
> ----
>
> but when I goto mount a cdrom...
> ----
> neptune# mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> cd9660: Device not configured
> ----
>
> I have in my kernel:
> ----
> options         CD9660                  #ISO 9660 Filesystem
> # ATA and ATAPI devices
> device          ata
> device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
> device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
> device          atapifd                 # ATAPI floppy drives
> device          atapist                 # ATAPI tape drives
> ----
>
>
> The cdrom is a master on the secondary IDE controller.
> I have read that there is problems with some secondary IDE controllers,
but
> this one has worked fine with all previous version of FreeBSD (with the
wdc and
> acd drivers). I can't put it on the primary controller, as I already have
2 HDDs
> there, and they can't be moved as they are both boot drives (one for fbsd
and
> the other for windoze).
>
> What am I doing wrong? or is it a bug that is yet to be resolved? (If so,
is
> there anything at all that I can do to use my cdrom in the mean time?)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Shaun
>
> (as i am no subscribed to the mailing lists, please e-mail me directly)
>
>
> --
> ----------------------
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> Zeus@quakeclan.net
> ----------------------
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Mon Mar 27  6:19:37 2000
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Nope...wrong again...they installed fine after I _properly_ downloaded all
the files.
On both drives.

----- Original Message -----
From: Haikal Saadh <wyldephyre2@yahoo.com>
To: <zeus@quakeclan.net>; <freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: IDE CDrom problems in 4.0


> I think something must be wrong in the secondary IDE drivers...I tried to
> install 4.0 to my Secondary dedicated harddisk (IBM 3gig) and install
hangs
> at the newfs bit.
>
> I'll try installing it to my primary harddisk and report back....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shaun Dwyer <zeus@quakeclan.net>
> To: <freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:30 PM
> Subject: IDE CDrom problems in 4.0
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've sent an e-mail to freebsd-questions, but I havn't had a helpful
> response.
> > I thought that I could get a better response from here.
> >
> >
> > I recently CVSup'd to FreeBSD 4.0 from 3.4, and now my IDE cdrom dosn't
> work.
> > I have MAKEDEV'd all the devices, CVSup'd again and made world, i've
built
> > several new kernels, and it still dosn't work. The cdrom won't even work
> if I
> > boot from the generic kernel (which i also rebuilt).
> >
> > all the IDE devices are detected properly at boot time...
> > ----
> > atapci0: <Intel PIIX4 ATA33 controller> port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1
> on pci0
> > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> > ad0: 6187MB <FUJITSU MPB3064ATU E> [13410/15/63] at ata0-master using
> UDMA33
> > ad1: 2014MB <WDC AC22100H> [4092/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2
> > acd0: CDROM <ATAPI CD-ROM DRIVE 36X MAXIMUM> at ata1-master using PIO4
> > ----
> >
> > but when I goto mount a cdrom...
> > ----
> > neptune# mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> > cd9660: Device not configured
> > ----
> >
> > I have in my kernel:
> > ----
> > options         CD9660                  #ISO 9660 Filesystem
> > # ATA and ATAPI devices
> > device          ata
> > device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
> > device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
> > device          atapifd                 # ATAPI floppy drives
> > device          atapist                 # ATAPI tape drives
> > ----
> >
> >
> > The cdrom is a master on the secondary IDE controller.
> > I have read that there is problems with some secondary IDE controllers,
> but
> > this one has worked fine with all previous version of FreeBSD (with the
> wdc and
> > acd drivers). I can't put it on the primary controller, as I already
have
> 2 HDDs
> > there, and they can't be moved as they are both boot drives (one for
fbsd
> and
> > the other for windoze).
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? or is it a bug that is yet to be resolved? (If
so,
> is
> > there anything at all that I can do to use my cdrom in the mean time?)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Shaun
> >
> > (as i am no subscribed to the mailing lists, please e-mail me directly)
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------
> > Shaun Dwyer
> > Zeus@quakeclan.net
> > ----------------------
> >
> >
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I have the same issue with my Compaq Deskpro 400 with the ThunderLan
integrated NIC under FreeBSD 3.1. I've backed my card all the way down to
10Mbps/half-duplex and it still hoses about once a month - under heavy load.
There are 100+ devices using it for TACACS+ and syslog traps. I'm
considering installing another NIC to alleviate the problem. My .02...

Cheers,

-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Branko Miskov [mailto:branko@borderware.com]
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Subject: Compaq onboard NIC


Hello,

Has anyone experienced any difficulties with high traffic volume through
their onboard card on their Compaq with FreeBSD 3.x?  It seems that the
interface hangs when high volumes of traffic pass through it.  Bringing
the interface and up seems to cure the problem.  Doesn't happen on other
operating systems.  Has anyone else noticed this?  We're running a
Compaq Proliant 800 and the card is a Intel Ether Express 10/100.  The
device is picked up as the tl driver.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Mon Mar 27  9:53: 0 2000
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I've successfully installed 4.0 on a Toshiba Tecra 8000, and everything is
ok, except that the pccard device fails to detect despite many sordid
attempts at finding a working kernel config.  More specifically, pcic0 and
pcic1 are located, but card0 is not detected.  The end result is that
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Is there a contact for the pcmcia stuff with whom I can work toward
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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Mon Mar 27 11:12:37 2000
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I have an IGS IGA 1682 PCI video card with 4 megs of Vram
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I see no definition or driver for it in the FreeBSD installer.

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Hello,

I found a very strange problem with the statclock interrupts (IRQ8)
on my Dell I3.7k laptop: these interrupts are not being generated
(or routed by the interrupt controller) under some circumstances. These
circumstances are rather surprising: the problem happens when the machine
is rebooted, or when it is suspended and resumed, while AC-powered in both
cases. I think that the BIOS does something (God knows what) with the timer,
leaving it in some state the FreeBSD's clock initialization routines
don't deal with adequately.

Unfortunately, I have no info about the PC's timers, so I would be
grateful for some help. If someone has any idea about what things could
I try, I am willing to test them (I have both 3.4-RELEASE and 4.0-RELEASE
installed on the laptop). Also, pointers to docs (or recommendations of
books about PC hardware) will be welcome.

Thanks in advance,
-- JMA

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Bruce Evans wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Jose M. Alcaide wrote:
> 
> > the addition of a new kernel configuration option for permitting
> > to change RS_IBUFSIZE to any desired value.
> 
> RS_IBUFSIZE doesn't exist in -current.  Instead, the buffer is sized to
> hold 4 ticks (4.0 / hz seconds) worth of input at the current input speed
> (or 128 bytes if that is larger).
> 

Six weeks passed after this issue was discussed in -hardware. I come
back because finally I installed 4.0-RELEASE on my laptop, so that I
could test the new sio(4) dynamic buffer sizing with the Xircom Realport 56
pccard modem, which has a broken 16550 emulation.

At 115200, ibufsize is 512, and the buffer overflows still happen.
I experimentally determined that the overflows dissapear when I modify
the ibufsize computation, doubling the buffer size (i.e., ibufsize=1024
at 115200). Just FYI, Bruce.

Cheers,
-- JMA

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Thanks for you suggestion.

I gave it ago, but alas, it didnt help. I still got the same error.
Its as though the kernel driver recognises the hardware, but it dosn't
know what to do with it. Very strange.

Thanks any way,
Shaun


On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Albert Kinderman wrote:
> I just read your post on freebsd-hardware.   You mentioned that you
> tried
> 
> neptune# mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> cd9660: Device not configured
> 
> My suggestion might be totally off the wall, but you might have a
> similar situation.  I have a linux system where I was similarly stumped
> for a while.  The problem was that the cdrom was at hde, not hdc.  In
> your case, have you tried /dev/acd0e or other possibilities?  (In moving
> cables around, I had plugged the cdrom into the second on board ide
> controller while my two harddisks are on a Promise controller card.  The
> drive letters were (a,b) hard drives on Promise controller, (c,d) first
> on board controller (not used), and (e,f) second on board controller (e
> for cdrom).)
> 
> As I said, it's a long shot.
> 
> Al
> 
> -- 
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Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
to put these into service with FreeBSD.

TIA
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:

> Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
> servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
> servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
> never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
> never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
> unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
> to put these into service with FreeBSD.

I've been happy with Intel L440GX+'s, but they ain't cheap...

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Try to get boards with as much on board stuff as possible.  You get 2 PCI
slots open at the most in 2U cases.
Intel L440GX+ is a good choice.  The Tyan 1836 and the Asus P2B-LS need a
PCI VGA card.

Kedar.


At 01:51 PM 3/30/00 -0800, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:
>Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
>servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
>servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
>never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
>never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
>unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
>to put these into service with FreeBSD.
>
>TIA
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Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson writes:
| Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
| servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
| servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
| never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
| never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
| unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
| to put these into service with FreeBSD.

We just got a bunch of 1U machines from Arista, here is our spec:
        Celeron 500Mhz
        64MB ECC memory PC100
        BX chipset
        Intel 82559 on board
        VGA
        13.5G Hard Drive
        1.4M Floppy
        CDROM
        DLink 4 port ethernet card
	USB/Serial/Parallel/Keyboard/Mouse ports.

http://www.aristaipc.com/

Their SBC also support the new PIII and they also have a new dual CPU SBC 
board as well.  So if you don't need another slot this is an nice box.

It's nice having 8 machines in 8U that could run any OS (that's why we
spec'ed a disk drive, CDROM and floppy.

Doug A.


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I have some cash $1300 and I am trying to set up a a small network so i
can play with bsd and hack around check out samba natd cvsup and some of
the other ports and generally learn what is what.(without putting my
production machine at risk.)


What I need is hardware.

I have
 
an old ibm 486DX\si with 24mb and a 212mb harddrive.
a pentium 166 Gateway with 32mbs of memory win95 that I want to leave
intact 
I have a comcast cable connection to the internet
and some parts a couple nic cards( 3com509) and a spare cdrom drive, 4
2gig scsi drives.

Could someone give me some recommendations on a cheap stable mobo,cpu,nic
that I can use to set up configure Freebsd,Nt( need it for
work),linux multiple times and in multiple ways until I get it? I can
scrounge old hardware but unless you know the person it is hard to know
what your getting so i prefer new. Or at least three identical old systems
from a reliable vendor so i can make some comparisons.

I really want to maximize my learning and immerse myself in freebsd but I
don't have a machine I can risk.

I hoping to avoid multiple monitors so i would also like to hear peoples
thoughts on KVM's that will work with Freebsd.

HDs are cheap so i may try swapping them in drive trays so I can save some
of the old configurations and have all the boxes available for play.

Your input would be appreciated.

TIA


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up@3.am wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:
> 
> > Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
> > servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
> > servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
> > never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
> > never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
> > unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
> > to put these into service with FreeBSD.
> 
> I've been happy with Intel L440GX+'s, but they ain't cheap...

	I second that. You can even change the BIOS options from the serial
console. Mondo cool.

Doug
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The only problem with the L440GX+ is getting them. There are real hard to
find now since Intel is phasing them out, intro the 820 and 840 chip
boards. About 3 weeks ago I treid to get a hold of 4 L440GX+'s, I must of
called about 10 distributors, nobody had it.

As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!

-john

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Doug Barton wrote:

> up@3.am wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:
> > 
> > > Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
> > > servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
> > > servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
> > > never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
> > > never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
> > > unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
> > > to put these into service with FreeBSD.
> > 
> > I've been happy with Intel L440GX+'s, but they ain't cheap...
> 
> 	I second that. You can even change the BIOS options from the serial
> console. Mondo cool.
> 
> Doug
> -- 
>     "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into
> existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously.
>     The master simply replied, "Mu."
> 
> 
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> As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!

Not so sure about that; RDRAM is too expensive, the Rambus:SDRAM bridge 
is slow and doesn't do ECC - nice workstation board, but a terrible 
choice for a serber.

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matt@msg.ucsf.edu wrote:
> 
> originally i thought i would get a PC Weasel to turn my FreeBSD server
> into something i could >really< manage from the console.  (PC Weasel info
> is at http://www.realweasel.com/intro.html).  for those who don't know
> about this product, it's a card which allows you to see pre-boot messages
> from a remote console.  i saw it mentioned on slasdhot earlier this week.
> 
> i then heard that some motherboard/BIOS combinations do this too.  since i
> need to upgrade my machine anyhow, i can kill 2 birds with one stone by
> getting such a system and skipping the Weasel.  can anyone suggest a
> motherboard/BIOS that does this? 

	The Intel L440GX allows you to configure the BIOS settings over the serial
console. Someone said that they are phasing this board out though. :-/

Doug
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> As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!

It may be the case that the 840 chipset *with RDRAM* blows away 440BX/GX
based boards. But see www.tomshardware.com for some interesting comparisons.
A bit Windows-oriented, but still interesting.

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On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Essenz Consulting wrote:

> The only problem with the L440GX+ is getting them. There are real hard to
> find now since Intel is phasing them out, intro the 820 and 840 chip
> boards. About 3 weeks ago I treid to get a hold of 4 L440GX+'s, I must of
> called about 10 distributors, nobody had it.

Try:  http://www.aberdeeninc.com

They had them around that time, when everybody else was telling me they
couldn't get them.  Competitively priced, too ($569, IIRC).

> As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!
> 
> -john
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Doug Barton wrote:
> 
> > up@3.am wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Well I got my dream come true... I have been assigned to build some
> > > > servers based on server based motherboards. (sounds kinda corny). These
> > > > servers are going to be housed in 2u rack mount cases. Since I have
> > > > never had the luxury or the funding to accomplish this in the past I
> > > > never looked at the hardware. Now I am looking and I feel totally
> > > > unprepared on what is the best and best supported motherbaord to chose
> > > > to put these into service with FreeBSD.
> > > 
> > > I've been happy with Intel L440GX+'s, but they ain't cheap...
> > 
> > 	I second that. You can even change the BIOS options from the serial
> > console. Mondo cool.
> > 
> > Doug
> > -- 
> >     "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into
> > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously.
> >     The master simply replied, "Mu."
> > 
> > 
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote:

> > As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> > Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> > 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!
> 
> It may be the case that the 840 chipset *with RDRAM* blows away 440BX/GX
> based boards. But see www.tomshardware.com for some interesting comparisons.
> A bit Windows-oriented, but still interesting.

I'm checking that site out, but it is, without a doubt, the most
hideously over-bannerized website I have ever seen, to the point where
Netscape can almost not handle it...they even make it difficult to get
past the ads with Lynx...ugh

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You dont have to use RDRAM in the PIIIDM3, you can use
unbuffered ecc sdram. Kentron Technologies makes superior
quality 512 Mb and 1 Gb SDRAM modules, which I have used with the PIIIDM3,
And with that setup, the thing flew!

Yeah, RDRAM is expensive, but it is the new technology, the specs on DDR
and RDRAM are insane... 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote:

> > As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> > Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> > 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!
> 
> Not so sure about that; RDRAM is too expensive, the Rambus:SDRAM bridge 
> is slow and doesn't do ECC - nice workstation board, but a terrible 
> choice for a serber.
> 
> -- 
> \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
> \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> 
> 
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If you've been following the news, you'll know that mixing ECC SDRAM with 
the i840 chipset is a recipe for disaster.

> You dont have to use RDRAM in the PIIIDM3, you can use
> unbuffered ecc sdram. Kentron Technologies makes superior
> quality 512 Mb and 1 Gb SDRAM modules, which I have used with the PIIIDM3,
> And with that setup, the thing flew!
> 
> Yeah, RDRAM is expensive, but it is the new technology, the specs on DDR
> and RDRAM are insane... 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> > > As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> > > Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> > > 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!
> > 
> > Not so sure about that; RDRAM is too expensive, the Rambus:SDRAM bridge 
> > is slow and doesn't do ECC - nice workstation board, but a terrible 
> > choice for a serber.
> > 
> > -- 
> > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
> > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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We use lots of these and what I've heard from vendors and Intel
themselves is that the board isn't being phased out but that Intel had a
major miss step when they tried to go to RAMBUS and this cuased the
l440GX to be out of production for several months and they have now
begun to recover from the back log. It was pretty bleak for awhile but
things seem to be improving.

Pete


Doug Barton wrote:
> 
> matt@msg.ucsf.edu wrote:
> >
> > originally i thought i would get a PC Weasel to turn my FreeBSD server
> > into something i could >really< manage from the console.  (PC Weasel info
> > is at http://www.realweasel.com/intro.html).  for those who don't know
> > about this product, it's a card which allows you to see pre-boot messages
> > from a remote console.  i saw it mentioned on slasdhot earlier this week.
> >
> > i then heard that some motherboard/BIOS combinations do this too.  since i
> > need to upgrade my machine anyhow, i can kill 2 birds with one stone by
> > getting such a system and skipping the Weasel.  can anyone suggest a
> > motherboard/BIOS that does this?
> 
>         The Intel L440GX allows you to configure the BIOS settings over the serial
> console. Someone said that they are phasing this board out though. :-/
> 
> Doug
> --
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> existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously.
>     The master simply replied, "Mu."
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Mixing REGISTERED ECC SDRAM and 133 MHz SDRAM is a problem with i840.
PC100 unbuffered ECC SDRAM has no problems, at least not on the Supermicro
boards.

-john

On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote:

> 
> If you've been following the news, you'll know that mixing ECC SDRAM with 
> the i840 chipset is a recipe for disaster.
> 
> > You dont have to use RDRAM in the PIIIDM3, you can use
> > unbuffered ecc sdram. Kentron Technologies makes superior
> > quality 512 Mb and 1 Gb SDRAM modules, which I have used with the PIIIDM3,
> > And with that setup, the thing flew!
> > 
> > Yeah, RDRAM is expensive, but it is the new technology, the specs on DDR
> > and RDRAM are insane... 
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > > As for a good motherboard, as soon as all the bugs are ironed out with the
> > > > Supermicro PIIIDM3, thats a powerfull board. The 840 chipset blows away
> > > > 440BX/GX based boards. Not to mention 4 Gb of memory support!
> > > 
> > > Not so sure about that; RDRAM is too expensive, the Rambus:SDRAM bridge 
> > > is slow and doesn't do ECC - nice workstation board, but a terrible 
> > > choice for a serber.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
> > > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> > > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
> \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> 
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Uwe,

    I have several compaq 800's running various versions of fBSD 3.4,
4.0-20000214 & 4.0r, all run apache, with mysql, postgres, php3, two are
running realserver as well. two have wd 18g 10k rpm drives not striped...and
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500Mhz with only 64M, cause compaq compatable mem ain't cheap. I plan on
redoing the 4.0c to 4.0r in the future and then playing around with
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you can't beat the 3yr warranty on this thing... I personnally bought one
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Uwe Laverenz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have to buy a new server, and I want to run FreeBSD 3.x on it. I'd
> like to buy a Compaq Proliant 800 (without RAID controller) and put some
> IBM SCSI harddrives into it. I want to stripe the disks using vinum. I
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> Would this configuration be a good choice or are there any issues with
> the Compaq servers?
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Just clearing out my folders and see I forgot to answer ou on this
one....personally I would go with SMC 10/100 cards, as they are small
reliable and VERY affordable. I can purchase them through channel, for
round $18 +shppng....most of my servers now have them cause the 3com's
are costing my round $80-85....


"Ryan R. Tharp" wrote:

> I would like to set up a freebsd box with as much network bandwidth as
> possible. It connects to an HP 10/100 switch that has FEC (Fast
> EtherChannel). I'm hoping I can throw 2 nics in the box. Looking for
> advice: What factors are involved?Will this increase my
> preformance? -Ryan.

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Just clearing out my folders and see I forgot to answer ou on this one....personally
I would go with SMC 10/100 cards, as they are small reliable and VERY affordable.
I can purchase them through channel, for round $18 +shppng....most of my
servers now have them cause the 3com's are costing my round $80-85....
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