From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 0: 4:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (r148m178.cybercable.tm.fr [195.132.148.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0CF37B9AC for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: from cybercable.fr (multi.herbelot.nom [192.168.1.2]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17941; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:07:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Message-ID: <391E4EB9.300BC209@cybercable.fr> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:59:05 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wonko@entropy.tmok.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need recommendation on multiport 1oBase-T cards References: <200005132252.SAA11227@entropy.tmok.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, This is beginnning to be a FAQ ; anyway, I suggest you have a look at a 4-port built by DLINK (DFE570-TX) which runs quite well with the de/dc driver and is very inexpensive (around $250) TfH BTW : this board also konws how to do 100 Mbps/full-duplex Brian Hechinger wrote: > > i'm looking for 2 Quad 10Base-T PCI based cards. Half-Duplex is fine. > i also need each port to have it's own MAC address. > > any recommendations? i'll be running 4.0-STABLE on it. > > thanks, > > -brian > -- Thierry Herbelot ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN /"\ Dir. technique LUCCAS AGAINST HTML MAIL & NEWS \ / tout le cable sur http://www.luccas.org PAS DE HTML DANS X un CV : http://perso.cybercable.fr/herbelot LES COURRIELS / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 11:35:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hedgehog.osp.nl (cp223erm04.gelrevision.nl [195.86.240.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F7037BE3D for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 11:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josv@osp.nl) Received: from jadzia.osp.nl (jadzia.josv.com [10.78.234.74]) by hedgehog.osp.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03267 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from osp.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jadzia.osp.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29405 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:43:42 +0200 X-Great-User-Group: NLUUG, see http://www.nluug.nl Message-ID: <391EF3DE.FA17A058@osp.nl> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:43:42 +0200 From: Jos Visser Organization: Open Solution Providers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: nl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I set up a wireless network in my home using two Lucent WaveLan 802.11 wireless LAN cards, one of which sits in a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. It works like a charm. But now I want to set up encryption. As far as I can see, the current FreeBSD driver does not support encryption? Am I right? Anyone any ideas? ++Jos -- Reality is something that you rise above. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 13:23:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tpts6.seed.net.tw (tpts6.seed.net.tw [139.175.55.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A493F37B64C; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donny@ms1.all.com.tw) Received: from [203.67.162.238] (helo=ms1.all.com.tw) by tpts6.seed.net.tw with esmtp (SEEDNet Mail Server v2.313fd) id 12r4vP-00032l-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:23:43 +0800 Message-ID: <391F0B75.98DD4290@ms1.all.com.tw> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:24:21 +0800 From: Donny Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org Subject: DLink DFE-660TX on -current? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, sorry for cross post this msg. is anyone out there knows how to deal with this PCMCIA NIC? on a IBM 570e notebook running 5.0-current. this pccard is an Intel 21443 based NIC, but me fbsd box reports no device exist. I've tried the kernel confiured with the de, dc and other devices, no luck. Thanks in advance. -- // Donny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 14: 3:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26F437B825 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12r5Xj-0001Ux-00; Sun, 14 May 2000 14:03:19 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jos Visser Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption References: <391EF3DE.FA17A058@osp.nl> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:03:19 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I set up a wireless network in my home using two Lucent WaveLan 802.11 > wireless LAN cards, one of which sits in a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. It works > like a charm. But now I want to set up encryption. As far as I can see, > the current FreeBSD driver does not support encryption? WEP encryption is not sufficiently strong for real use. use end-to-end ip encryption, e.g. ssh etc. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 14:18:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hedgehog.osp.nl (cp223erm04.gelrevision.nl [195.86.240.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BB037B5AB for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 14:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josv@osp.nl) Received: from jadzia.osp.nl (jadzia.josv.com [10.78.234.74]) by hedgehog.osp.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04066; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:20:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from osp.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jadzia.osp.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30064; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:27:06 +0200 X-Great-User-Group: NLUUG, see http://www.nluug.nl Message-ID: <391F1A28.41BC7F50@osp.nl> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:27:04 +0200 From: Jos Visser Organization: Open Solution Providers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: nl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption References: <391EF3DE.FA17A058@osp.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org WEP encryption (default with the Silver Wavelan card) supports a 64-bit key. That's strong enough for me. Anyone who's interested enough in my stuff to come over to my house, tap into the 802.11 traffic and feed it to a sufficiently strong computer to do a brute force attack on the 64 bit key has plenty of other (cheaper and easier) opportunities to retrieve whatever they want. Remember: a 64 bit key (given a sufficiently strong enough algorithm) means 2^64 = 18446744073709551616 possible keys. Given a computer that can try 100 billion keys per seconds, I would need approximately 184467440 seconds to search the entire keyspace. You'd expect to need to search only half the keyspace, so 92233720 seconds. At 3600 seconds per hour, this means 25620 hours, at 24 hours in a day, this means 1067 days, which is almost three years (roundoff errors due to the use of bc). Now, believe me, I would be willing to tell you almost everything dating from three years and further back... ++Jos Randy Bush wrote: > > > I set up a wireless network in my home using two Lucent WaveLan 802.11 > > wireless LAN cards, one of which sits in a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. It works > > like a charm. But now I want to set up encryption. As far as I can see, > > the current FreeBSD driver does not support encryption? > > WEP encryption is not sufficiently strong for real use. use end-to-end > ip encryption, e.g. ssh etc. > > randy -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is mystery. Today is a gift, that's why we call it 'present'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 16:25:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bsdhome.dyndns.org (rdu25-18-195.nc.rr.com [24.25.18.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB937BA08 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from vger.bsdhome.com (vger [192.168.220.2]) by bsdhome.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01231 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 19:25:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by vger.bsdhome.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA51534; Sun, 14 May 2000 19:25:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd@vger.bsdhome.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Dean To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Where to get a laptop w/o Windows? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm hoping someone here can recommend a good laptop for FreeBSD that can be purchased without Windows. Paying Microsoft for a license that will not be used makes no sense, but who sells laptops that don't come pre-installed with the stuff? Alternatively, do any of the major laptop sellers offer money back if you don't use your Windows license? Thanks, -Brian -- Brian Dean bsd@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 16:47:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at (TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at [195.34.147.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367E637BA08 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 16:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satyr@TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at) Received: from satyr by TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12r8Dz-0006tT-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:55:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 01:55:07 +0200 From: "Marinos J . Yannikos" To: Brian Dean Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where to get a laptop w/o Windows? Message-ID: <20000515015507.L17168@TK147108.telekabel.at> Reply-To: nino@inode.at References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Dean on Sun, May 14, 2000 at 07:25:40PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not aware of any major vendors who would sell laptops without some version of Windows or Linux on them. Most probably have some sort of agreement with Microsoft that limits their freedom to preload their OS of choice (or none). > Alternatively, do any of the major laptop sellers offer money back if > you don't use your Windows license? The Windows Refund page might help you: http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ I'm not sure whether the current version of the Windows EULA still allows for a Refund though. An alternative to purchasing a Windows laptop and getting a refund would be to buy a laptop with Linux preloaded (e.g. from Dell), but in that case you'll probably pay for Red Hat instead with no chance of a refund. Regards, Marinos -- ***==> Marinos J. Yannikos ***==> http://pobox.com/~mjy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 17:59:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA68237B63A for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA09206; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:29:59 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:29:59 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Dean Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to get a laptop w/o Windows? Message-ID: <20000515102959.D9000@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 14 May 2000 at 19:25:40 -0400, Brian Dean wrote: > Hi, > > I'm hoping someone here can recommend a good laptop for FreeBSD that > can be purchased without Windows. Paying Microsoft for a license that > will not be used makes no sense, but who sells laptops that don't come > pre-installed with the stuff? Dell will sell you laptops with Linux instead of Microsoft. It may not be what you want, but at least you're not paying for Microsoft. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 14 18:22: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bsdhome.dyndns.org (rdu25-18-195.nc.rr.com [24.25.18.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937C237B66B for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:22:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from vger.bsdhome.com (vger [192.168.220.2]) by bsdhome.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01431; Sun, 14 May 2000 21:21:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by vger.bsdhome.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA51772; Sun, 14 May 2000 21:21:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd@vger.bsdhome.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Dean To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to get a laptop w/o Windows? In-Reply-To: <20000515102959.D9000@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > Dell will sell you laptops with Linux instead of Microsoft. It may > not be what you want, but at least you're not paying for Microsoft. Sounds OK to me. I'd rather not pay for Linux either, but at least it won't be going to Microsoft, not that one less license will affect their annual report or anything. Thanks, -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 2:48:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E7E37B52F for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 02:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Received: from sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id 364AA45C1A for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:48:37 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PERC 3/Si support on Dell PowerEdge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10070.958384135.1@sophos.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:48:55 +0100 From: Mark Blackman Message-Id: <20000515094837.364AA45C1A@viking.sophos.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Will anyone comment on FreeBSD support for the PERC 3/Si RAID controller supplied with the Dell PowerEdge 2450. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/compt/pedge/perc_si_dc.htm) This is an i960RM talking to a dual channel aic7899G SCSI controller. This particular SCSI controller apparently appears as two separate PCI devices. One channel/device is used by the RAID micro-processor and the other is a straight SCSI channel for the main CPU. Basically, I'm wondering how much hassle it would be to extend the PERC 2 support to cover the PERC 3 as well. My reading of the amr code suggests that at least i960RD support is in place. I'm volunteering for testing as well if kindly over-worked device driver developers want it. :) I can get PCI device IDs if this is helpful. Mark Blackman,Internet Systems Administrator,Sophos Anti-Virus e-mail: tmb@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 5:48:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from devils.maquina.com (devils.maquina.com [62.229.71.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A8037B684 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 05:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) Received: from localhost (gabriel@localhost) by devils.maquina.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23075; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:48:24 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) X-Authentication-Warning: devils.maquina.com: gabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:48:24 +0100 (WEST) From: Jose Gabriel Marcelino To: Brian Dean Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to get a laptop w/o Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > I'm hoping someone here can recommend a good laptop for FreeBSD that > can be purchased without Windows. Paying Microsoft for a license that > will not be used makes no sense, but who sells laptops that don't come > pre-installed with the stuff? Most new laptops from Asus(tek) come with no OS (at least here in Portugal), and they're pretty good solid machines. -- Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 9:36: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C3D37B5C5 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22821; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:35:43 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Randy Bush Cc: Jos Visser , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption Message-ID: <20000515093543.A21338@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <391EF3DE.FA17A058@osp.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from randy@psg.com on Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:03:19PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:03:19PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > I set up a wireless network in my home using two Lucent WaveLan 802.11 > > wireless LAN cards, one of which sits in a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. It works > > like a charm. But now I want to set up encryption. As far as I can see, > > the current FreeBSD driver does not support encryption? > > WEP encryption is not sufficiently strong for real use. use end-to-end > ip encryption, e.g. ssh etc. In doing research for a wireless network at work, I've seen people say this many times, but I've never seen a single piece of data or analysis. Do you have a refrence to any? -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 9:53:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C2C37B5C5 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C847BF; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id JAA25798; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005151653.JAA25798@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Jos Visser Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 May 2000 23:27:04 PDT." <391F1A28.41BC7F50@osp.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:53:08 PDT From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To answer the original question, 4.0-STABLE (and -RELEASE, I imagine), does support encryption -- I know, I'm using it with the gold card. Just read the wicontrol(8) man page. Note, however, that wicontrol appears to have a bug that limits key strings to 14 bytes; this is fine for a pure ASCII-text key (which is probably not recommended, due to a limited keyspace), but causes problems when you try to specify a key in hex. > WEP encryption (default with the Silver Wavelan card) supports a 64-bit > key. That's strong enough for me. Anyone who's interested enough in my > stuff to come over to my house, tap into the 802.11 traffic and feed it > to a sufficiently strong computer to do a brute force attack on the 64 > bit key has plenty of other (cheaper and easier) opportunities to > retrieve whatever they want. Please note that the silver (64-bit) card has really only 40-bits of encryption; 24 bits cannot be specified by the user and are used as: ... a per-packet sequence number (which are logically equivalent to an initialization vector with chained block ciphers like DES-CBC mode). For more info, see: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-net/2000/02/04/0001.html I imagine that the gold card has only 128-24 -> 104 key bits. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 10: 6:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE7F37BB64 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12823; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005151706.KAA12823@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mark Blackman Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PERC 3/Si support on Dell PowerEdge In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 May 2000 10:48:55 BST." <20000515094837.364AA45C1A@viking.sophos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:06:21 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Will anyone comment on FreeBSD support for the PERC 3/Si RAID > controller supplied with the Dell PowerEdge 2450. > (http://www.dell.com/html/us/compt/pedge/perc_si_dc.htm) It's an Adaptec design, and unless and until Adaptec release details on the programming interface support is not going to happen. Apart from the product name, and one of the chips involved, it bears no resemblance to the AMI-derived members of the PERC family. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 10:14:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F3637B7B2; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Received: from sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id D6DC045C1C; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:14:26 +0000 (GMT) To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PERC 3/Si support on Dell PowerEdge In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Smith of "Mon, 15 May 2000 10:06:21 PDT." <200005151706.KAA12823@mass.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <15273.958410885.1@sophos.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:14:45 +0100 From: Mark Blackman Message-Id: <20000515171426.D6DC045C1C@viking.sophos.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I presume you mean Adaptec won't release these details except under some kind of NDA? The Linux installation of these PowerEdge servers does come with a binary-only driver (perhaps written by Adaptec?) so I'm guessing they released it to somebody. I had suspected it wasn't related to the AMI designs as it couldn't find any correspondance between it and the AMI descriptions. Aren't Adaptec usually a bit more cooperative? Thanks for the info anyway. > > Will anyone comment on FreeBSD support for the PERC 3/Si RAID > > controller supplied with the Dell PowerEdge 2450. > > (http://www.dell.com/html/us/compt/pedge/perc_si_dc.htm) > > It's an Adaptec design, and unless and until Adaptec release details on > the programming interface support is not going to happen. > > Apart from the product name, and one of the chips involved, it bears no > resemblance to the AMI-derived members of the PERC family. > > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 10:17:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8F237B53A for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8897AA; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id KAA25960; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005151711.KAA25960@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 May 2000 09:35:43 PDT." <20000515093543.A21338@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:10:53 PDT From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brooks Davis wrote: > In doing research for a wireless network at work, I've seen people > say this many times, but I've never seen a single piece of data or > analysis. Do you have a refrence to any? See: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-net/2000/02/04/0001.html -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 10:23:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB4537B72D; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12rO8r-000DtW-0A; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:54:54 +0000 Received: from henny.webweaving.org (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA38635; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:54:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA82486; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:52:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:52:45 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Dan Nelson Cc: Ian Cartwright , "FreeBSD Hardware (E-mail)" , "FreeBSD Questions (E-mail)" Subject: Re: USB Zip drive In-Reply-To: <20000510104713.A4587@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 2. shuffle the SCSI IDs so your ZIP has a higher ID USB and any other SCSI controllers have different SCSI busses therefore the devices on them have independent device numberings. > 3. edit /etc/fstab and change the mountpoints to reflect the fact that > your drives have moved. That won't help as USB are sometimes present and sometimes not. Apart from wiring down your devices, there is nothing we can do about it at present. > for b), make sure your scsi bus is idle, plug ZIP thing in and run > "camcontrol rescan". This is dangerous, since you have a chance of You can plug and unplug a running USB Zip drive at any time. That is what USB is about. What that does to your file system and machine is a different issue thought :-) But there is certainly no mechanical or electrical problem with doing that. Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 13:46:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jadzia.osp.nl (d47080.dtk.chello.nl [213.46.47.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704D537B578 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josv@osp.nl) Received: from osp.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jadzia.osp.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00342; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:53:46 +0200 X-Great-User-Group: NLUUG, see http://www.nluug.nl Message-ID: <392063DA.416B1326@osp.nl> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:53:46 +0200 From: Jos Visser Organization: Open Solution Providers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: nl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darryl Okahata Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption References: <200005151653.JAA25798@mina.sr.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Thanks for the info, just what I was looking for... ++Jos Darryl Okahata wrote: > > To answer the original question, 4.0-STABLE (and -RELEASE, I > imagine), does support encryption -- I know, I'm using it with the gold > card. Just read the wicontrol(8) man page. Note, however, that > wicontrol appears to have a bug that limits key strings to 14 bytes; > this is fine for a pure ASCII-text key (which is probably not > recommended, due to a limited keyspace), but causes problems when you > try to specify a key in hex. > > > WEP encryption (default with the Silver Wavelan card) supports a 64-bit > > key. That's strong enough for me. Anyone who's interested enough in my > > stuff to come over to my house, tap into the 802.11 traffic and feed it > > to a sufficiently strong computer to do a brute force attack on the 64 > > bit key has plenty of other (cheaper and easier) opportunities to > > retrieve whatever they want. > > Please note that the silver (64-bit) card has really only 40-bits > of encryption; 24 bits cannot be specified by the user and are used as: > > ... a per-packet sequence number (which are logically equivalent > to an initialization vector with chained block ciphers like > DES-CBC mode). > > For more info, see: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-net/2000/02/04/0001.html > > I imagine that the gold card has only 128-24 -> 104 key bits. > > -- > Darryl Okahata > darrylo@soco.agilent.com > > DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not > constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or > of the little green men that have been following him all day. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is mystery. Today is a gift, that's why we call it 'present'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 15 23:31:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8228337BA68 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12rOvZ-00009V-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:45:13 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jos Visser Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wavelan 802.11 with encryption References: <391EF3DE.FA17A058@osp.nl> <391F1A28.41BC7F50@osp.nl> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:45:13 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > WEP encryption (default with the Silver Wavelan card) supports a 64-bit > key. actually wep encryption in 802.11 is pretty flawed to begin with. most cards only implement a 40 bit key and given the nature of key management, it will not be changed often. but the real killer is that a 24 bit iv is used to create the per-packet key (in combination with the "permanent" 40 bit key). after 2^24 packets are sent on the network, the rc4 keys will start to be reused. given that rc4 is a pad + xor cipher, this is quite scary. so, while it may be good enough for you, and i am really impressed that you were able to calculate 2^64, it is not good enough for me. and, again, i suggest that it is not good for more than casual use. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 0: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from borg-cube.com (226-193.adsl2.avtel.net [207.71.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7137B73B; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Received: from drone.collective.borg-cube.com (dburr@drone.collective.borg-cube.com [192.168.0.5]) by borg-cube.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07963; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: UDMA ICRC errors on FIC SD11 Athlon board and U66 HD -- huh?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I just put together a new Athlon system, and am having a hell of a time trying to get the hard disks to work right. First, some system details: Motherboard: FIC SD-11 board rev. 1.8, with the latest BIOS. (AMD-751 north bridge, VIA 82C686 south bridge) CPU: AMD Athlon 650MHz. Memory: 128MB SDRAM DIMM Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar WD102AA 10.2 GB Ultra66 (single drive only, no slave devices or CD-ROM's etc.) Other Cards: Matrox G100 AGP video card, Realtek RTL8139 10/100 PCI Ethernet, Creative Labs SoundBlaster Ensoniq AudioPCI OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE (cvs updated as of this afternoon) Now, the problem: The system boots normally, but after some amount of disk access has happened (this usually happens when the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* scripts run) the system switches into PIO mode due to errors. ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984ata0-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA falling back to PIO mode The system works fine after it switches to PIO mode, and there appear to be no errors in the filesystem (i've tried running fsck a number of times). If I leave the system running in PIO mode, it runs with no trouble at all, even running under heavy loads (several simultaneous 'make world's). I've tried several different Ultra66 cables, even a cable that has been in a system that has been running 24/7 perfectly for several months. No dice. Obviously this is not the ideal solution. I'd like to get the most out of my hardware, and having a fast Ultra66 disk running in PIO mode is rather irksome. Anyone else out there have a similar configuration as I do, and can shed some light on this? Thanks in advance for any assistance you are able to offer. Thanks! Here is dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sun May 14 23:39:24 PDT 2000 dburr@drone.collective.borg-cube.com:/usr/srctrees/RELENG_4/src/sys/compile/DRONE Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 648744514 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (648.74-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x621 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0400000 real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 125472768 (122532K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04c9000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc04c909c. VESA: v2.0, 8192k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc03ac0c2 (1000022) VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc. ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 5.0 irq 11 rl0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xefffff00-0xefffffff irq 10 at device 3.0 on pci0 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:7d:85:46:0a miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: supplying EUI64: 00:e0:7d:ff:fe:85:46:0a pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 9 at device 4.0 on pci0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 10 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered chip1: at device 7.4 on pci0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <12 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A joy0 at port 0x201 on isa0 pca0 at port 0x40 on isa0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode pps0: on ppbus0 ppi0: on ppbus0 pcfclock0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. ncp_load: [210-213] ad0: 9787MB [19885/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 vinum: loaded Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a rl0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::02e0:7dff:fe85:460a rl0: DAD complete for fe80:0001::02e0:7dff:fe85:460a - no duplicates found ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 112 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 112 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 112 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984ata0-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA falling back to PIO mode -- Donald Burr Resistance is Futile | FreeBSD: The WWW: http://www.borg-cube.com/ ICQ: UIN#16997506 | Power to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | Serve! http:// Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 6:44: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from devils.maquina.com (devils.maquina.com [62.229.71.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4E237B875; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) Received: from localhost (gabriel@localhost) by devils.maquina.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28499; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:43:24 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) X-Authentication-Warning: devils.maquina.com: gabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:43:24 +0100 (WEST) From: Jose Gabriel Marcelino To: Donald Burr Cc: FreeBSD Questions , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: UDMA ICRC errors on FIC SD11 Athlon board and U66 HD -- huh?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > Motherboard: FIC SD-11 board rev. 1.8, with the latest BIOS. > (AMD-751 north bridge, VIA 82C686 south bridge) > Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar WD102AA 10.2 GB Ultra66 > (single drive only, no slave devices or CD-ROM's etc.) > > The system boots normally, but after some amount of disk access has > happened (this usually happens when the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* scripts > run) the system switches into PIO mode due to errors. > > ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying > ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying > ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984 retrying > ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984ata0-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY > active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA > falling back to PIO mode > > The system works fine after it switches to PIO mode, and there appear to > be no errors in the filesystem (i've tried running fsck a number of This is a FAQ now. The problem you're experiencing is the FreeBSD way of telling you that you have two pieces of crap in your machine, one is the Western Digital disk (there's really no substitute for IBM to go UDMA/66) and the other is the FIC SD11 (Fiddle wIth Constantly as someone said before) motherboard. This is really an hardware problem, it just gets more loudly noticed under FreeBSD (Windows hides this problems from the users). I have good results now with an Asus K7M board and IBM disks, having changed from troubles of the FIC board you have, just changing the board made the problems go away... Until now from what I see you can never go wrong with Asus :-) (as long as it hasn't got chips from SiS :-)) To solve you immediate problems, I suggest you add: /sbin/sysctl -w hw.atamodes=pio,pio,pio,pio to the top of your /etc/rc.conf file to use the PIO mode from the start and avoid the messages above (of course this way you're not using UDMA so disk access isn't optimal...) -- Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 11:55:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6F5537B97A for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasonverkaart@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 18703 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 18:55:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516185533.18702.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.219.118.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:55:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.219.118.10] From: "Jason Verkaart" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: NVidia GeForce support Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:55:33 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Please excuse me if I've missed this topic.) Is there any effort being directed to porting NVidia's Linux drivers? If not, would anyone be willing to donate some time/effort/hardware to this end? thanks, Jason Verkaart ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 12:39:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F27837B82E; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02841; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005161939.MAA02841@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Donald Burr Cc: FreeBSD Questions , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: UDMA ICRC errors on FIC SD11 Athlon board and U66 HD -- huh?! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 May 2000 00:02:51 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ok, I just put together a new Athlon system, and am having a hell of a > time trying to get the hard disks to work right. > > First, some system details: > > Motherboard: FIC SD-11 board rev. 1.8, with the latest BIOS. > (AMD-751 north bridge, VIA 82C686 south bridge) > CPU: AMD Athlon 650MHz. > Memory: 128MB SDRAM DIMM > Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar WD102AA 10.2 GB Ultra66 > (single drive only, no slave devices or CD-ROM's etc.) ... > ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 27984ata0-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY > active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA > falling back to PIO mode I'm seeing exactly the same symptoms, but with a slightly faster CPU and an IBM disk. I'm not entirely sure what the real deal here is; it's possible that there may be eg. some timing values that aren't being set quite right for this board/chipset. 8( -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 13:16:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jane.lfn.org (jam.rfno.com [216.116.64.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E22637B582 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 5949 invoked by uid 100); 16 May 2000 19:49:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:49:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: trailing edge system recs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, it has come time for that every-two-years upgrade. I am quite out of touch with what is going on in PC hardware at the moment, and would appreciate some recommendations. The system will be doing lots of FP intensive stuff so I was considering an Athlon at the sweet price point. What is the mobo rec for an Athlon? Is an Athlon on any mobo actually recommended at the moment? Otherwise I was considering a celeron. Sound. I want 1) flawless functionality and 2) the best sound quality I can get short of digital output. Is an AWE64 recommended? cs4237? Something else? I'm going to be playing mp3's and cds, this will be my stereo as well as my computer. I am thinking of getting into composing electronic music, also. Midi support will be nice. I have always been a die-hard SCSI bigot, but IDE seems to have come a long way, and I can buy a ton of capacity for nothing. Who is good in IDE? Same people who are good in SCSI? (IBM, Seagate) I want to be able to grab cd audio in digital form from cds. Will any IDE cdroms do this? Or should I buy a cheapo SCSI card (ncr53c810 still made? still supported) to drive the CD and maybe a backup device? What is a good and cheap lan card? I don't really need fxp type performance, I'm going to be sitting on the end of a cable modem or ADSL at best. I'm sure these days there has to be a $20-$30 winner. Cases: I always liked Enlight. Anything you folks might recommend more? Any other helpful hints would be appreciated. I am strapped for cash at the moment but really need a system upgrade. The system will run almost exclusively FreeBSD, although I may have a smallish Win98 partition for the first time in years, given that I should be able to buy 20 gigs of disk for a song now. Pointers to FAQ info would be great, but it always seems a little outdated, given the rate at which hardware evolves. thanks in advance, Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 20:45:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (web116.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7AF837B67B for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eaglez69@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11792 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 03:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517034543.11791.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [136.152.195.156] by web116.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:45:43 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaglez Subject: Re: NVidia GeForce support To: Jason Verkaart , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org XFree86 4.0 (FreeBSD) has good support for the GeForce. I'm not sure about OpenGL (Mesa)... i had one for so short a time that i never got the chance to try it out. (I was borrowing a friend's) And FreeBSD's console has no trouble with it. -Jesse --- Jason Verkaart wrote: > (Please excuse me if I've missed this topic.) > > Is there any effort being directed to porting > NVidia's Linux drivers? If > not, would anyone be willing to donate some > time/effort/hardware to this > end? > > thanks, > > Jason Verkaart > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 16 21: 6:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (web112.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D55837BBC9 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eaglez69@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1324 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 04:06:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517040601.1323.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [136.152.195.173] by web112.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:06:01 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaglez Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs To: Craig Johnston , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As long as you feel no need (or overwhelming desire) to go dual, I'd go athalon. (a friend of mine is just now, going dual celeron 500...) Motherboard: I've heard nothing but excelent reviews of Epox's athalon board. I forget what the exact number is, but you should be able to find all the specs on their site (wherever that is...) It has UDMA/66 and PC133 dimm support. (those being the latest stable IDE and RAM versions/speeds, respectively.) Sound: The awe64 is supported. I have an SBLive, myself, which works flawlessly, although there have been reports of cracly sound for some people. You might want to look into a PCI128 too... Unfortunatly, my knowladge of sound is limited to Creative (i started out with an AWE32, just when it came out, and i've stayed in creative). Hard Drives: I'd DEFINATLY stay with SCSI if you can afford it. True, UDMA/66 IS faster than some scsi2 hd's and maybe some Ultras or wides (i'm not sure; i'm just getting into scsi myself) But it won't beat out the SCSI U2W or the Ultra160 drives. If you persist in your quest to regress to IDE, IBM IS a great company for IDE as well as SCSI. I don't know much about seagate, but i think they're pretty good, from what i heard. (my knowladge there is restricted to 540MB drives and below) CD ripping: I haven't gotten it working myself, in FreeBSD, but i happen to know that with most modern QUALITY IDE cdrom's, you can rip in cd-digital. This DVD drive i have certainly will. Just make sure you can get the cd-digital cable. (it's a two-pin connector to your sound card, just like the regular cd-audio cable) Anyway, welcome to the modern world :) Two years ago... lets see... that's what, first P2's? 266mhz? wow, that'll be a jump :) good luck! -Jesse --- Craig Johnston wrote: > > Ok, it has come time for that every-two-years > upgrade. > > I am quite out of touch with what is going on in PC > hardware at > the moment, and would appreciate some > recommendations. > > The system will be doing lots of FP intensive stuff > so I was > considering an Athlon at the sweet price point. > What is the > mobo rec for an Athlon? Is an Athlon on any mobo > actually > recommended at the moment? Otherwise I was > considering a > celeron. > > Sound. I want 1) flawless functionality and 2) the > best sound > quality I can get short of digital output. Is an > AWE64 > recommended? cs4237? Something else? I'm going to > be playing > mp3's and cds, this will be my stereo as well as my > computer. > I am thinking of getting into composing electronic > music, also. > Midi support will be nice. > > I have always been a die-hard SCSI bigot, but IDE > seems to > have come a long way, and I can buy a ton of > capacity for > nothing. Who is good in IDE? Same people who are > good in SCSI? > (IBM, Seagate) > > I want to be able to grab cd audio in digital form > from cds. Will > any IDE cdroms do this? Or should I buy a cheapo > SCSI card > (ncr53c810 still made? still supported) to drive > the CD and > maybe a backup device? > > What is a good and cheap lan card? I don't really > need fxp type > performance, I'm going to be sitting on the end of a > cable modem > or ADSL at best. I'm sure these days there has to > be a $20-$30 winner. > > Cases: I always liked Enlight. Anything you folks > might recommend > more? > > Any other helpful hints would be appreciated. I am > strapped for > cash at the moment but really need a system upgrade. > The system > will run almost exclusively FreeBSD, although I may > have a smallish > Win98 partition for the first time in years, given > that I should > be able to buy 20 gigs of disk for a song now. > > Pointers to FAQ info would be great, but it always > seems a little > outdated, given the rate at which hardware evolves. > > > thanks in advance, > Craig > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 17 3:37:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8B8737B653 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 75079 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 10:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517103731.75078.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 03:37:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: jasonverkaart@hotmail.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NVidia GeForce support Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:37:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't quite see your point? nvidia chipsets utilize standard GL drivers which can be found in Mesa3d & the glx driver (to my knowledge). This can be found in the ports collection. for some help on configuring games.. check out: www.mesa3d.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~3d/ /usr/ports/graphics/glx -cosmic-665 >(Please excuse me if I've missed this topic.) > >Is there any effort being directed to porting NVidia's Linux drivers? If >not, would anyone be willing to donate some time/effort/hardware to this >end? > >thanks, > >Jason Verkaart >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 17 5:16:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bne005m.server-mail.com (bne005m.server-mail.com [202.139.234.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1765537BC09 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21337 invoked from network); 17 May 2000 12:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.163.213) by bne005m.server-mail.com with SMTP; 17 May 2000 12:16:04 -0000 Message-ID: <009001bfbffb$0bbb8b40$d5a393cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Eaglez" , "Craig Johnston" , References: <20000517040601.1323.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:25:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > CD ripping: I haven't gotten it working myself, in > FreeBSD, but i happen to know that with most modern > QUALITY IDE cdrom's, you can rip in cd-digital. This > DVD drive i have certainly will. Just make sure you > can get the cd-digital cable. (it's a two-pin > connector to your sound card, just like the regular > cd-audio cable) Never tried ripping under FreeBSD, but I've got an LG IDE CDROM that's about 2 years old and it works like a charm. I was reading about casings and stuff the other night, and I'm under the impression that if you're runnning an Athlon, a 300W Power Supply is recommended. Anyone care to comment on that? is 250W not enough? Enlight casings rock! See also : http://www.sharkyextreme.com/theguide/ Cheers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 17 7:55: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D24C37BC40 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16690 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:54:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000517164844.00acbc40@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:53:34 +0200 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs In-Reply-To: <009001bfbffb$0bbb8b40$d5a393cb@timberwolf> References: <20000517040601.1323.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I was reading about casings and stuff the other night, >and I'm under the impression that if you're runnning an >Athlon, a 300W Power Supply is recommended. > >Anyone care to comment on that? is 250W not enough? > >Enlight casings rock! Hi! Well, the Athlon is a heavy power consumer. (About up to 70 Watts) Also, the PS is divided into several supply chains, one for the mobo, then the 5V and 12 V for devices. The _sum_ of those make up for say, 250 Watts, but the proportions may vary. So, to be on the safe side, always go for _minimum_ 300 Watts quality PS when using an Athlon. I've heard some reports that some systems even require a 400 Watts PS to run stable. Reason is , that when a PS runs under full stress (at maximum), then the signal output quality isn't that good. Also (German mag c't did some test some time ago on ATX PS) there are real differences in quality between them, resulting in a possible cause for running unstable due to lack of proper power being supplied to the internals. Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- Turning PC's into workstations ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 17 9: 5:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dialin.care.lv (dialin.care.lv [159.148.46.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A96537B9A5 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root2@navigators.lv) Received: from shadow (valentin.care.lv [159.148.46.39]) by dialin.care.lv (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09419 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:05:50 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <002b01bfc011$2b629040$272e949f@shadow.core.lv> From: "valentin y." To: Subject: Arlan 655 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:04:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all. Does anybody know where to get driver for FBSD3.4 or 4.0? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 17 11:24:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (web116.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23D4337BB64 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eaglez69@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29509 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 18:24:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517182420.29508.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [136.152.195.185] by web116.yahoomail.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:24:20 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaglez Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, What i think he means about digitally ripping, is that (i'll use windows terms, since i've never ripped under freebsd yet) you can use 3 types of ripping: analog, software driven (i.e. mscdex), and hardware driven (i.e. aspi) I'm not exactly sure how that all translates into unix terms. YOU're probably using the mscdex method. do you HAVE one of those 2-pin connectors i mentioned? The hardware ripping gives better sound quality, and it's faster (yes, even better than standard cd-audio). Only more modern cdroms support this hardware method, and your soundcard has to support it too. Anyway, as for power supply, there was a message earlier in this about how early athalon boards DID require a 300watt powersupply, but more modern boards (like the epox) will work flawlessly with a 250watt. It doesn't have to be some special one either... any will do, as long as it's ATX :) -Jesse --- Haikal Saadh wrote: > > > > > CD ripping: I haven't gotten it working myself, in > > FreeBSD, but i happen to know that with most > modern > > QUALITY IDE cdrom's, you can rip in cd-digital. > This > > DVD drive i have certainly will. Just make sure > you > > can get the cd-digital cable. (it's a two-pin > > connector to your sound card, just like the > regular > > cd-audio cable) > > Never tried ripping under FreeBSD, but I've got an > LG > IDE CDROM that's about 2 years old and it works like > a charm. > > I was reading about casings and stuff the other > night, > and I'm under the impression that if you're runnning > an > Athlon, a 300W Power Supply is recommended. > > Anyone care to comment on that? is 250W not enough? > > Enlight casings rock! > > See also : http://www.sharkyextreme.com/theguide/ > > Cheers. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 18 5:29: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bne004m.webcentral.com.au (bne004m.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E96B37BE07 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2100 invoked from network); 18 May 2000 12:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.165.3) by bne004m.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 18 May 2000 12:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <00ac01bfc0c6$02481800$03a593cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Eaglez" Cc: References: <20000517182420.29508.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yup, ASPI's the selected method for ripping under audiocatalyst. Worked fine so far ...my CDROM's an LG CRD-8322B1.02 (in case you wanted to know), and it's hooked up to an SBLive!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eaglez To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:24 AM Subject: Re: trailing edge system recs > Well, What i think he means about digitally ripping, > is that (i'll use windows terms, since i've never > ripped under freebsd yet) you can use 3 types of > ripping: analog, software driven (i.e. mscdex), and > hardware driven (i.e. aspi) I'm not exactly sure how > that all translates into unix terms. YOU're probably > using the mscdex method. do you HAVE one of those > 2-pin connectors i mentioned? The hardware ripping > gives better sound quality, and it's faster (yes, even > better than standard cd-audio). Only more modern > cdroms support this hardware method, and your > soundcard has to support it too. > > Anyway, as for power supply, there was a message > earlier in this about how early athalon boards DID > require a 300watt powersupply, but more modern boards > (like the epox) will work flawlessly with a 250watt. > It doesn't have to be some special one either... any > will do, as long as it's ATX :) > > -Jesse > > --- Haikal Saadh wrote: > > > > > > > > CD ripping: I haven't gotten it working myself, in > > > FreeBSD, but i happen to know that with most > > modern > > > QUALITY IDE cdrom's, you can rip in cd-digital. > > This > > > DVD drive i have certainly will. Just make sure > > you > > > can get the cd-digital cable. (it's a two-pin > > > connector to your sound card, just like the > > regular > > > cd-audio cable) > > > > Never tried ripping under FreeBSD, but I've got an > > LG > > IDE CDROM that's about 2 years old and it works like > > a charm. > > > > I was reading about casings and stuff the other > > night, > > and I'm under the impression that if you're runnning > > an > > Athlon, a 300W Power Supply is recommended. > > > > Anyone care to comment on that? is 250W not enough? > > > > Enlight casings rock! > > > > See also : http://www.sharkyextreme.com/theguide/ > > > > Cheers. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 18 19: 5:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orient.net.ru (orient.net.ru [195.161.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8717D37B60C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kas@orient.net.ru) Received: from orient.net.ru (orient.net.ru [195.161.13.1]) by orient.net.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24702 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:05:07 +0900 (ISS) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:05:07 +0900 (ISS) From: "Konstantin A. Potcheyking" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: If anyone remember: Trouble with Digital 21140A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: kas@orient.net.ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All! Now have two different NICs Digital 21140A. Both look very similar, same models NETGEAR FA310FX. Both are found in system as rev 0x22 Both work fine under Win98. But they have different main chips: 1. Labeled "DIGITAL" and doesn't work under FreeBSD. 2. Labeled "NETGEAR" and works fine. Konstantin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 20 12: 9:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F437B528 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA53888 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:09:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:09:45 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: TYAN thunder 2400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any opinions? Does it work with smp? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 20 14:10:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A606D37B5F6 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-222-165.s419.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.165] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tGVb-0004xy-00 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:10:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfc29f$e6f29770$a5dea4d8@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: Subject: re: these cards ok w/FreeBSD? Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:11:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings: I have had a look at some hardware lists but they seem to be around a year old and the hardware catalogs i am looking at have different model designations for the new cards. appreciate the help Are cards below compatible w/freebsd/xfree86: ? ----------------------------------------------- ati xpert 128 ati xpert 2000 creative labs 3d blaster savage4-agp diamond stealth III Model S540 creative labs sound blaster 16 wavEffects creative labs sound blaster 16 pci sound card creative labs sound blaster pci 512 creative labs sound blaster awe64 value creative labs sound blaster awe64 gold Also would you recommend in the area of USR modems: Internal isa vs pci? ie., are there any freebsd compatibility advantages to pci? Are there any advantages to internal vs. external Anybody use Zoom brand of modems? (I assume to stay away from winmodems) Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 20 15:16: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A7C37B78B for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-222-165.s419.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.165] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tHXS-0006gK-00 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfc2a9$1e138300$a5dea4d8@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: Subject: are motherboards a factor w/FreeBSD? Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:16:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are motherboards ever an issue? do you think i would be ok w/my Abit VA6, for FreeBSD? http://www.abit.nl/english/product/va6.htm Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 20 15:32:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D8137B547 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA01146; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:31:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000521002629.00c88850@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:31:43 +0200 To: "leegold" From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: are motherboards a factor w/FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000501bfc2a9$1e138300$a5dea4d8@leegold1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:16 20.05.00 -0400, you wrote: >Are motherboards ever an issue? do you think i would be ok w/my Abit VA6, >for FreeBSD? >http://www.abit.nl/english/product/va6.htm > Hi! Well, the mobo is one of the most important stability factors, especially regarding the features modern chipsets have. Yes, Abit is a quality brand doing mobos which are mechanically stable. The chipsets are some other issue. Some chipsets have some problems of doing correct plug and pray, they issue IRQs wrong, anbd that stuff. of course, this also depends on mobo design and BIOS programming done there. My personal favourite list is in order: ASUS Gigabyte Tyan after that, manufacturers like Abit, some FIC boards, MSI Those I have good experiences, and they have good reputation. ALso, what ever you are doing, stay away from PCCHips. They are pure crap. (Also appearing under the name of Eurone, Amptron, Alton, Hsing Tech) Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- Turning PC's into workstations ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 20 19:45:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11AD37B632 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04988; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:47:34 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id TAA31828; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:45:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: leegold Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: re: these cards ok w/FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <000501bfc29f$e6f29770$a5dea4d8@leegold1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ati xpert 128 > ati xpert 2000 > creative labs 3d blaster savage4-agp > diamond stealth III Model S540 FreeBSD will handle all of these fine. You might want to check www.xfree86.org for these though. :) > creative labs sound blaster 16 wavEffects > creative labs sound blaster 16 pci sound card > creative labs sound blaster pci 512 > creative labs sound blaster awe64 value > creative labs sound blaster awe64 gold I've used the AWE64 gold and awe64 values with no problems. I have no experience with the others. > Also would you recommend in the area of USR modems: > Internal isa vs pci? ie., are there any freebsd compatibility advantages to > pci? > Are there any advantages to internal vs. external > Anybody use Zoom brand of modems? > (I assume to stay away from winmodems) Yes, stay away from Winmodems. In my opinion, it's also best to stay away from the USR modems, even the expensive Courier modems. I've had more weird incompatibilities with USR modems then any other single brand. USR modems (again in my experience, even the Couriers) have problems connecting to modems of other brands, are really picky about line quality and tend to have a high mortality rate after 12-18 months. I can not recommend Zoom modems enough though. The cheaper Zooms at $85 or so seem to me to out perform USR, connect to just about anything (even with wrong AT strings! :) and have that nice 7 year warranty. (Not that I've EVER had to send one in for warranty!) Now, I'd personally stay with ISA at this time. There are some issues wether PCI modems can not be Winmodems... they tend to act the same. As for Internal VS. External... it's up to you. For me and the people I deal with (i.e. dumb as rocks sometimes,) Internal modems help simplify troubleshooting a lot. But external modems can easily be power cycled if they lock up vs. usually having to reboot the computer for internal ones. For the price, I stick with a Zoom 56k External about $120 or less at your local Office store. $80 or so at most real computers stores. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message