From owner-freebsd-new-bus Mon Feb 21 2:56:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from mail.di.uminho.pt (mail.di.uminho.pt [193.136.20.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B97837BC5D for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:56:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@di.uminho.pt) Received: (qmail 29860 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2000 11:13:06 -0000 Received: from bogalhinho.di.uminho.pt (HELO di.uminho.pt) (jose@193.136.20.38) by mail.di.uminho.pt with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 11:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: <38B1289F.28010760@di.uminho.pt> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:59:27 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9=20Lu=EDs?= Faria Organization: Universidade do Minho-Departamento de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Inform=E1tica?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I'm creating a litle update to a freebsd 3.4 kernel. My program is for account some data: number of packets by class, number of packets dropped by class, etc. Now I need to pass this values to another program wich in X-Window display this values on-line. After, I want to save this values in a file. I need some docs about how I can do this. Which are the primitives in the kernel to do this. I use the printf to put this data in /var/log/messages. This inappropriate, I dont want this. This is only for testing now. Can you help me ? Thank you very much. P.S. I'm sorry my english. -- :) cumprimentos -------------------------------- Jose Luis Faria Administrador de Sistemas Universidade do Minho - Departamento de Informática Campus de Gualtar 4710-057 Braga Portugal tel.: +351 253604440 Fax:+351 253604471 http://admin.di.uminho.pt/~jose To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Thu Feb 24 12:17: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87A137B855 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.161]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA50E8 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:16:53 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15789 for new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:14:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:14:21 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Draft doc Message-ID: <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt Comments wanted. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Light-in-Darkness, lift me up from here... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Thu Feb 24 12:26:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C89E37B824 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07701; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA46968; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:26:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200002242026.NAA46968@harmony.village.org> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: Draft doc Cc: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:14:21 +0100." <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:26:51 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: : http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt Would love to comment, but after two tries, all I get are timeouts. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Thu Feb 24 12:33:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7187C37B881 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:33:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12O4wQ-0001bw-0X; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:32:54 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA57580; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:35:58 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:35:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Warner Losh Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , new-bus@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Draft doc In-Reply-To: <200002242026.NAA46968@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: > : http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt > > Would love to comment, but after two tries, all I get are timeouts. Ditto. Can you move it to somewhere more accessible, e.g. people.freebsd.org? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Thu Feb 24 12:38:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DBF37B94D for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.161]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6F8E; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:38:02 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16172; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:37:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:37:42 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Doug Rabson Cc: Warner Losh , new-bus@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Draft doc Message-ID: <20000224213742.O79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <200002242026.NAA46968@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from dfr@nlsystems.com on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 08:35:50PM +0000 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000224 21:34], Doug Rabson (dfr@nlsystems.com) wrote: >On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > >> In message <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: >> : http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt >> >> Would love to comment, but after two tries, all I get are timeouts. > >Ditto. Can you move it to somewhere more accessible, >e.g. people.freebsd.org? Consider it done. Btw, please note that I am uploading as I write so for now it's only 384 words or so, but I need to understand the fundaments correctly before I work on and write total bullshit. =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project I dream of Love as Time runs through my hand... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Thu Feb 24 13:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from goku.cl.msu.edu (goku.cl.msu.edu [35.8.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6B237B9C0 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dervish@goku.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from dervish@localhost) by goku.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29749; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dervish) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:03:33 -0500 From: Bush Doctor To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Draft doc Message-ID: <20000224170333.C68282@goku.cl.msu.edu> References: <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 09:14:21PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 WWW-Home-Page: http://bantu.cl.msu.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Out of da blue Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai aka (asmodai@wxs.nl) said: > http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt > http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt > > Comments wanted. I like the flow of the document. Also it's great that you talk about both Alphas and IA-32's. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] > Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Light-in-Darkness, lift me up from here... > > #;^) -- f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. bush doctor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Sat Feb 26 2:11:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1068737C0F9 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.100]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FQJ8B800.38Z; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:11:32 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24048; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:41 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Bush Doctor Cc: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Draft doc Message-ID: <20000226110441.R79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20000224211421.N79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20000224170333.C68282@goku.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000224170333.C68282@goku.cl.msu.edu>; from dervish@goku.cl.msu.edu on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:03:33PM -0500 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000225 00:00], Bush Doctor (dervish@goku.cl.msu.edu) wrote: >Out of da blue Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai aka (asmodai@wxs.nl) said: >> http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt http://people.freebsd.org/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt >> Comments wanted. >I like the flow of the document. Also it's great that you talk >about both Alphas and IA-32's. Thanks, I just hope the content is accurate as well. =P -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Everything comes to those who wait... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Sat Feb 26 2:31:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E0C37BD17 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.100]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FQJ99002.EEL for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:31:48 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24096 for new-bus@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:31:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:31:36 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: new-bus@freebsd.org Subject: New version of the newbus draft Message-ID: <20000226113136.S79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://people.freebsd.org/~asmodai/newbus-draft.txt Added some blurb about interface methods, macro/function wrapping. 590 words/version 1.3. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project The Wheels of Life, they turn, ..., without me... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Sat Feb 26 3: 1:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D137BC1B for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA77157; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New version of the newbus draft In-Reply-To: <20000226113136.S79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Newbus is the new bus abstraction layer architecture which saw its introduction in FreeBSD 4.0." Actually it came in with the Alpha port IIRC. Check 3.4. "Newbus is the new bus..." sounds clunky, as does "abstraction layer architecture". If a sentence costs you more than $1.50 then you're using too many 50c words. :) - Suggest using a bullet list for enumeration of multiple items. (p1s3) - The Alpha doesn't have 'nexus' (p3s1) - A device is really the sum of its methods. A device is a device; a bus is a device with bus methods. I'm not sure what you'd call a 'bridge' in newbus terms. (p4s1) - 'map its resources' and the implications of the text following aren't quite clear. Resources are reserved and allocated (which isn't very good either since we really want to reserve them, then activate them, but that distinction is yet implemented in a coherent manner.) In addition it is implied that the behavior of resource methods is -always- to call the parent when that isn't always the case. Explaining default methods and the goal of resource allocation/reservation/foo would be a better focus for this paragraph since you could demonstrate the action that each layer takes on resource allocation/reservation/foo. The existing example is a pretty good start though. - Newbus doesn't really have anything to do with bus_space at this point. We wish they were more intimate but they are really separate. Same thing with bus_dma. - Newbus doesn't 'allows for definitions of interface methods...'; thats the entire ball of wax. bus_if.m and device_if.m provide the basic structure to implement a hierarchy of devices. This functionality is implicit. A more top down approach that brings the method definitions and rules of hierarchy and inheritance into focus early in the document would be good. Anyhow, you've got a good start. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-new-bus" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-new-bus Sat Feb 26 15: 6:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-new-bus@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB4637B55F for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.199.49]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2512; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:06:02 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25818; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:04:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:04:58 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New version of the newbus draft Message-ID: <20000227000458.T79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20000226113136.S79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from winter@jurai.net on Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 06:01:26AM -0500 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-new-bus@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000226 16:00], Matthew N. Dodd (winter@jurai.net) wrote: >Actually it came in with the Alpha port IIRC. Check 3.4. But it became widespread in 4.0, which is what I meant. =) >"Newbus is the new bus..." sounds clunky, as does "abstraction layer >architecture". If a sentence costs you more than $1.50 then you're using >too many 50c words. :) Ok, I reworded and restructured it a bit. Please look it over. >- Suggest using a bullet list for enumeration of multiple items. (p1s3) Done. >- The Alpha doesn't have 'nexus' (p3s1) Does this mean that: 1) the IA-32 is the only platform to have a nexus, or 2) the Alpha is the only platform to not have a nexus? >- A device is really the sum of its methods. A device is a device; a bus > is a device with bus methods. I'm not sure what you'd call a 'bridge' > in newbus terms. (p4s1) I added some blurb about this, but I think I might need to reword/restructure that paragraph in entirety. >- 'map its resources' and the implications of the text following aren't > quite clear. Resources are reserved and allocated (which isn't very > good either since we really want to reserve them, then activate them, > but that distinction is yet implemented in a coherent manner.) In > addition it is implied that the behavior of resource methods is > -always- to call the parent when that isn't always the case. Oh it doesn't? I was under a different assumption based on my notes. > Explaining default methods and the goal of resource > allocation/reservation/foo would be a better focus for this paragraph > since you could demonstrate the action that each layer takes on > resource allocation/reservation/foo. The existing example is a > pretty good start though. Ok, but I fail to show/describe the default methods. Hmm, need to dig through some files to scoop up some examples. >- Newbus doesn't really have anything to do with bus_space at this > point. We wish they were more intimate but they are really > separate. Same thing with bus_dma. True, but it would merit to document them all in one pull. >- Newbus doesn't 'allows for definitions of interface methods...'; thats > the entire ball of wax. bus_if.m and device_if.m provide the basic > structure to implement a hierarchy of devices. This functionality is > implicit. A more top down approach that brings the method definitions > and rules of hierarchy and inheritance into focus early in the document > would be good. Aha, I got it reversed then. The definitions of those interfaces and their methods allows for newbus. Is this correct or am I way off again? Well, the method definitions is what I was describing in the text, but where would I dig up the rules of the hierarchy and the inheritance? Also, an example of what you would consider a more top down approach would be welcome as well. >Anyhow, you've got a good start. Thanks. Only by your comments/patience/help/explanation/etc can I do this. =) So there is a new version up. Be sure to check it. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project The only thing we have to fear is Fear itself... 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