From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 0:45:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from xxx.video-collage.com (xxx.video-collage.com [209.122.149.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BB937BDB3 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:45:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@video-collage.com) X-Relay-IP: ‚  Received: from dufus.video-collage.com (dufus [10.222.222.77]) by xxx.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA21735; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Received: (from mi@localhost) by dufus.video-collage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA39328; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:45:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@xxx) Message-Id: <200004020845.EAA39328@dufus.video-collage.com> Subject: Re: erroneous messages filtering ((no subject)) In-Reply-To: from "Brandon D. Valentine" at "Apr 2, 2000 01:43:43 am" To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Doug@gorean.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I'd come up with a filter to defeat this claim, but I'm afraid it > >will not be employed anyway... > As far as I'm concerned there are better ways for the project to spend > its time than catering to the demands of those too lazy to setup their > own procmail filters. The original poster can filter his own mail. The original poster is quite concerned about hundreds (or thousands) of empty e-mails pushed into the lists' subscribers' mailboxes. Why should hundreds of people demonstrate "non-lazyness" if the filter can be installed in a single location -- sparing Internet bandwidth and everybody's time? Judging by the silence of those, whose opinion actually matters, the said filter is either in progress of being implemented, or will never be. So I'm going to drop the subject... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 1:25:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A066837B6AB for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12bgcu-000PX9-0A; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:25:01 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08438; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 10:29:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 10:31:29 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: kibbet Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pnpparse.c In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, kibbet wrote: > Hi Doug, > > On 31-Mar-00 Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, kibbet wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> The sys/isa/pnpparse.c MFC today seems to have broken things > >> here with my AWE64, things were happy before the MFC, apart > >> from an odd message during boot > > > > Sorry about that. Can you try with the latest pnpparse.c. > > > > hehe, no probs, its all in the name of advancement :) > > So now I get; > > isa0: too many dependant configs (8) > isa0: unexpected small tag 14 > > > Which dosen't bother me - it dosen't panic and I get sound, yay > Ok, I have another report of this and I think I know the right fix. > > Now I just gotta fix XFree 4 and shmat()... what fun :) :-) -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 1:41:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044C037B82A for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:41:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000402094138.UTZO4993.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:41:38 -0800 Message-ID: <38E7161F.6F5864F1@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:42:55 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: stray irq 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Having just installed FreeBSD 4.0, when I do printing, I get error messages like: stray irq 7 It prints fine, so it doesn't hurt me in any way, but I thought you should know. These are the lines in my kernel configeration file for the printer: # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da Here is the complete dmesg - maybe it will help you. Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #2: Fri Mar 31 13:40:45 CST 2000 root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/XXXX Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 232671179 Hz CPU: Pentium/P55C (232.67-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping = 3 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 29929472 (29228K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02d8000. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 8.0 irq 11 pcm0: port 0x6000-0x603f irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 rl0: port 0x6100-0x61ff mem 0xe2000000-0xe20000ff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 rl0: Ethernet address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: supplying EUI64: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: ppbus0: HP ENHANCED PCL5,PJL lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port joy0 at port 0x201 on isa0 ad0: 1623MB [3298/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 ad1: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2 afd0: 120MB [963/8/32] at ata1-master using PIO2 acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO3 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a rl0: starting DAD for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx rl0: DAD complete for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - no duplicates found stray irq 7 stray irq 7 stray irq 7 stray irq 7 stray irq 7 too many stray irq 7's; not logging any more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 4:59:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from karon.cdt.luth.se (karon.cdt.luth.se [130.240.64.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8631937B6AC for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andree@sm.luth.se) Received: from localhost (andree@localhost) by karon.cdt.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA57614 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:59:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andree@sm.luth.se) X-Authentication-Warning: karon.cdt.luth.se: andree owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:59:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Andree Jacobson To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Final 3.x-STABLE -> 4.0-STABLE upgrade? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did anyone have a final 3.x -> 4.0-STABLE upgrade step-by-step instruction? I remember someone writing something about publishing that on a web page, but I can't seem to find the message... Thanks! /Andree /-oOOo----------------------- Andree Jacobson ------------------------oOOo-\ | For contact info please see: http://www.cdt.luth.se/~andree | | ~~ Today is the first day of the rest of your life... Don't mess it up ~~ | \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 5:50:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF0B37BE54; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 05:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16463; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:50:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:50:38 +0200 (CEST) From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RCC/Reliant Chipset supported by FBSD 4.0??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sirs. I read about SMP problems with i840 based motherboards and it is well known that this chipset has some serius bugs. So we want to obtain two or three server mainboards from TYAN (TYAN Thunder 2500) as it is available on market. This mainboard has execellent specifications and it it based on the RCC ServerWorks III HE chipset which is supposed to be on of the best high end chipsets. Purchasing is planned at the end of May or middle of June. Has anyone experiences with this chipset and can tell me whether FBSD 4.0 supports this chipset? The TYAN Thunder 2500 comes with two independent SCSI-3 160m LVD channels, I think based on SymBios Logic chipsets. Is this type of chipset already supported in FBSD 4.0? Well, your answer is highly appreciated since I have to make decisions based on that. So, have many thanks in advance and kind regards, O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver des IPA, Universitaet Mainz Netzwerk- und Systembetreuung To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 8: 3:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF4D937B5CB for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.244] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ea661938 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:02:26 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: erroneous messages filtering ((no subject)) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 10:48:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040211025500.00257@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > >> It's actually quite easy. The problem is that those kinds of filters > >> are either so restrictive that they filter posts that they should not, > >> or so loose as to not really be of much use. > > > >I'd come up with a filter to defeat this claim, but I'm afraid it will > >not be employed anyway... > > > > -mi > > As far as I'm concerned there are better ways for the project to spend > its time than catering to the demands of those too lazy to setup their > own procmail filters. The original poster can filter his own mail. > > Brandon D. Valentine And as far as I'm concerned, it's people like you that are the down-side of these lists. Apparently you consider cluttering this list with a venomous opinion which no one is interested in hearing as a better way of spending your time, rather than offering anything constructive. How do you know the poster hasn't already made an attempt to solve the problem? Not all of us are oh so smart as you, and use these lists to try and obtain help for problems which have stymied us. This is a much better use of the list than the one which you are using. Maybe this question is beneath your contempt, but I for one would have been interested in a solution, and I am sure there are many more like myself. If you consider it a waste of your time to provide an answer to questions such as these, then please do us all a favor by going one step further by considering it a waste of your time in making a reply of any kind. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 9:13:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6137B565 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12bm64-0000CW-00; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 16:15:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:15:27 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: James Housley Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building 4.x on 3.x Message-ID: <20000402161527.A583@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <38E69E73.4CFF971C@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <38E69E73.4CFF971C@thehousleys.net>; from James Housley on Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 08:12:19PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 08:12:19PM -0500, James Housley wrote: > I got an old pentium 100 laptop that I want to play around with 4.x on. > It's disk to too small to hold the source tree, obj tree and useful > programs. Is it okay to do the buildworld on my 3.4-Stable server with > more memory, speed, disk, etc.... Then nfs mount the src & obj trees to > do the install world and build kernel?? I built 4.0 on a 3.4 system yesterday, and it worked fine. I also built the 4.0 kernel (using make buildkernel) on the 3.4 system. Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 11:21:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2445337BABF for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02427; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at "Mar 25, 0 11:29:49 pm" To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:20:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: >> This makes me wary. One of the reasons I like UNIX is the assumption >> implicit in its organization that the users might actually know what >> they're doing. > > This has nothing to do with UNIX. Sorry for the delayed response. My day job got in the way, but now it's the weekend. There are actually two related but separate issues we're discussing. The first is hardware configuration, and how it's accomplished. The second is how should the kernel know where that hardware was configured. And part of what makes them related is my contention that automating either of those hasn't made life better. About the first: > If you want to fiddle around with your hardware and feel 'in control', > feel free to play with old VAXen and QBUS or something. At least, when I was admining VAX 11/780 systems, the I/O boards didn't move around within their address space without me telling them to (which involved a thin-nosed pliers and some jumpers). For that matter, neither did the I/O cards in my S100 buss Altair. Or my PDP-11s. Or...never mind, you get the idea. > If you've got totally broken hardware that doesn't stay where you tell > it then you're pretty much fucked, and hints aren't gonna fix your > problem. But PnP hardware ignorant exists. And no amount of your wishing will make that that go away. Do you think FreeBSD should only work only on the latest box Dell ships? When your PnP BIOS thinks it knows what the hell it is doing, and moves your PnP aware sound card on top of your PnP ignorant Ethernet card, you're screwed. And in your proposed brave new world, the owner of the machine has no way out, as you've eliminated his ability to override what you've decided is best for all of us. Further, the manufacturers of PnP (and before that EISA) cards subscribe to the theory that only Microsoft operating systems exist, and that it is therefore sufficient to provide configuration tools that only run in Microsoft's environment. That provides further annoyances for those of us who prefer not to have anything to do with Microsoft and its world domination plans. And on to the second issue: > This has everything to do with being able to determine card config > without user intervention. If I can give the driver the ability to > detect the board and retreive its config with 100% accuracy then thats > a far better solution than trusting the user to remember the settings > and properly communicate them to the kernel. You =can't= "detect the board and retreive [sic] its config with 100% accuracy", for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier message (insufficient specifications, vendors who mis-interpret or ignore those specifications, etc.). And by removing access to the lower level knobs, you increase the support load because administrators have no work-around for breakage. Making system architecture decisions based on wishful thinking is just plain silly. And "trusting the user" is what this discussion started about. > My goal is to reduce support load by taking advantage of the features > of the hardware that permit the kernel/drivers to 'do the right > thing'. An admirable goal. Just not realistic given the current state of Pee-Cee hardware. It will lie to you. Or be invisible and therefore deceive you. And we've already discussed why that goal will not reduce the support load. I don't mind you taking a "first cut" at a configuration. I object to your stated goal of removing any configuration control from the system administrator. The part where you say the kernel config file doesn't even need an entry for, say, an "ep" driver, and that it will ignore it if it exists. This =is= about control. I want to be able to control where my hardware resides within its address space. On the other hand =you=, in collaboration with the hardware vendors, want to control where my (and everyone else's) hardware resides within its address space. Can you give me a good reason why I should delegate that authority to you? And don't offer: "It makes it easier for newbies." If I bought that, then I should install Windows '98, because it installs on more different hardware than FreeBSD will ever see, without the user having to know anything other than how to work his CD-ROM tray. > If you pull your average 3c509 and drop it in a CURRENT box, the driver > -will- find the current config. Assuming the vendor built his card close enough to what you believe the specifications say. And the EEPROM hasn't faded. And some wild-assed application (running under a Microsoft operating system that doesn't provide isolation between the applications and the hardware) hasn't scrambled its brains. And there isn't an ISA, hardware jumpered board at the same address as was being used in the machine I pulled the 3c509 from. It's good you chose that example. I went through =exactly= that exercise two weeks ago. A 3c509B which wouldn't do squat. Even the 3Com MS-DOS configurator program claimed there were "no Etherlink cards found" until I pulled out the Creative Labs Soundblaster that was in there. > It will even use that config if nothing else is conflicting. The > ability to manually provide 'hints' isn't going to alter the config of > the card. I'm not advocating "hints". I'm saying I should be able to tell the kernel exactly where to look (IRQ, DMA channel, memory window, I/O port) for any particular piece of hardware. And the kernel should not have to go on some spelunking expedition to find it. > If you go slapping new hardware in a box without making sure its set to > non-conflicting resources then you get what you deserve. Hints aren't > gonna fix that problem either. And, "making sure its [sic] set to non-conflicting resources" is the issue at hand. How does one set the resources if you and the board makers insist that it's your province? Ok. So if you are going to invest programming effort, give me a tool that allows me to set any PnP compatible device exactly where I want it to be (without booting MS-DOS). Put a smarter, configurable version of the PnP BIOS functionality into the loader, for example. And then I'll make sure my kernel matches up. Or, if you insist on automation, have the kernel jam any PnP-capable device to wherever the kernel has been configured to expect it, rather than for the kernel to try to guess where the PnP-capable device has been set by some utility. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 11:21:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF4A37BD5C for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01955 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:21:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:21:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: make world failed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was running FreeBSD-3.4-STABLE and wanted to get to 4.0 now that it is listed as stable. I have done upgrades since 3.0 and started out like I usually do. I followed the instructions on "make world" closely... http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html ... and made sure the source was fully syncronized. I had synced it a couple of nights ago and give it one last update before starting yesterday afternoon. I checked /etc/group and needed no changes and dropped to single user mode. So far everything works as planned. I deleted the old /usr/obj files, started the script monitor and started "make world" in /usr/src/. After a couple of hours of compiling it started installing and finally failed. It died at lib/libcom_err/doc when trying to install info files and killed the rest of the installation and left me hanging. The machine was fractured and I was pretty much stuck. I still am. I cannot fully install the rest of the system due to errors in "make installworld" and going back to 3.4 would require much work. To attempt a fix on all this I mounted my FreeBSD 3.4 live filesystem disk from cdrom.com and got the old sh and make versions restored so I could attempt to manually run make installs on the rest of the binaries and config files. I was able to push through most of that but now my secondary drive, a western digital ide drive will no longer mount. It is complaining of an incorrect superblock number. What I was able to accomplish was building a new GENERIC 4.0 kernel, but binaries like vi, clear and top do not work properly. I have no idea why. So basically the ugprade has destroyed my machine and I am not very happy. Anybody have any suggestions on what I can do next? I am guessing I will have to purchase the 4.0 cd and run a clean install and wipe out my current system... and that option really does not make me happy since I will have to start over from scratch. I had things so nice in 3.4. All I wanted was support for my dvd drive. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: "The identical is equal to itself, since it is different." -- Franco Spisani To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 11:21:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.egate.net (as2.dm.egate.net [216.235.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEA437BEE1 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from buff@pobox.com) Received: from localhost (buff@localhost) by odin.egate.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA63423 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: odin.egate.net: buff owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: William Denton X-Sender: buff@odin.egate.net To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial port problems with 4.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I installed 4.0-RELEASE from CD yesterday, and it all went very well except for getting dial-up access to work. I'd had 3.4 on the machine before and had no problems there, using a 28.8 modem on /dev/cuaa0. Now, however, things don't work so good. I run ppp by hand as root, and at first it would dial out, connect to my ISP, then never receive the ogin: prompt. Now, somehow, not even the Terminal Ready light goes on so I can't do anything with it. The serial ports are detected fine on boot. It was all working normally two days ago, then half-worked after 4.0 went in, now it doesn't work at all. Has anyone else had any similar problems? Bill -- William Denton : Toronto, Canada : http://www.miskatonic.org/ : Caveat lector. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 11:25:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9488737B51F for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02473; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004021824.LAA02473@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: "could not map memory" In-Reply-To: <200004010642.BAA33929@dufus.video-collage.com> from Mikhail Teterin at "Apr 1, 0 01:42:08 am" To: mi@video-collage.com (Mikhail Teterin) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:24:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: mark@lomag.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >> >> Although it is certainly not required, it is good form to buy your >> FreeBSD from Walnut Creek (www.cdrom.com) as some of the money spent >> there helps fund the FreeBSD project. >> > > I'm afraid, for a newbie this would sound like a refusal _of the whole > mailing list_ to offer any help, because the cd was bought elsewhere. Of course, I was not implying that. And I thought anyone who had been reading this list for any time would have seen the many helpful replies to other problems. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch (mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D862037B9DE for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roth@iamexwi.unibe.ch) Received: from iamexwi.unibe.ch (haegar.unibe.ch [130.92.71.10]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-32 #42480) with ESMTP id <0FSE00IMALJ9B1@mailhub.unibe.ch> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:16:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from giger.unibe.ch (giger [130.92.63.40]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19803 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (roth@localhost) by giger.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29071 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tobias Roth Subject: Package creation In-reply-to: <200004021824.LAA02473@freeway.dcfinc.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find it? Thanks, Tobe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch (mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E13537B9D3 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roth@iamexwi.unibe.ch) Received: from iamexwi.unibe.ch (haegar.unibe.ch [130.92.71.10]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-32 #42480) with ESMTP id <0FSE00IN4LPCB1@mailhub.unibe.ch> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:20:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from giger.unibe.ch (giger [130.92.63.40]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19865 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:22:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (roth@localhost) by giger.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29083 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:22:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:22:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tobias Roth Subject: sendmail 8.10.0 In-reply-to: <200004021824.LAA02473@freeway.dcfinc.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I understand that there is some integration of sendmail with the rest of the system. Because of this, how would I upgrade to sendmail 8.10.0 ? I just built 4.0 STABLE but I still have sendmail 8.9.3 Thanks, Tobe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:28:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch (mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6EE37B6BE for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roth@iamexwi.unibe.ch) Received: from iamexwi.unibe.ch (haegar.unibe.ch [130.92.71.10]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-32 #42480) with ESMTP id <0FSE00IQ4LZLB1@mailhub.unibe.ch> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:26:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from giger.unibe.ch (giger [130.92.63.40]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19951 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:28:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (roth@localhost) by giger.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29097 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:28:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tobias Roth Subject: How to build a sandbox In-reply-to: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I have always used lynx and I would like to keep on using it. So I though of creating a sandbox. So I have two questions: 1) Is this a stupid idea? I don't have very much knowledge of security... 2) Where can I get info on creating such a sandbox? I read chroot(8) and this seems to be just what I need. Are there other options? Should I read anything else? Thanks, Tobe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:33: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB13337BA2A for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.233.215] (dialup746.brussels2.skynet.be [195.238.25.234]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A4EDAD0; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:32:10 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> References: <20000401004437.A6904@evil.2y.net> <20000401135701.A11341@evil.2y.net> <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:16:00 +0200 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Cc: Coleman Kane , Jeff Fisher , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 5:30 PM -0600 2000/4/1, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > What was the experience that taught you this lesson? (I have always > done this.) Processes that need to make use of /tmp during the boot process, but before /usr is mounted will bomb out. This may keep the system from booting, etc.... -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:35:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435E137B9D9 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA05955; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:34:50 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda05953; Sun Apr 2 12:34:44 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA62156; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdZ62153; Sun Apr 2 12:34:28 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA55371; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004021934.MAA55371@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdg55362; Sun Apr 2 12:34:21 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Tobias Roth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail 8.10.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:22:41 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:34:21 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Tobias Roth write s: > Hello > > I understand that there is some integration of sendmail with the rest of > the system. Because of this, how would I upgrade to sendmail 8.10.0 ? > I just built 4.0 STABLE but I still have sendmail 8.9.3 I believe that Sendmail 8.10.0 is slightly broken. In tests, unless I did something wrong, SuperSafe does not create queue files in mqueue, instead queueing in memory. So, in the case of a system crash mail would be lost. To see for yourself, install 8.10.0 and run a long running cron job (must be cron not at/batch) and notice that no queue files are created until enough output has been created. 8.9.3 creates queue files regardless of the amount of output spooled. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 12:43:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6464337BB17 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.233.215] (dialup746.brussels2.skynet.be [195.238.25.234]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B9D9AB; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:42:57 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004021934.MAA55371@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <200004021934.MAA55371@cwsys.cwsent.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:42:44 +0200 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Tobias Roth From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: sendmail 8.10.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:34 PM -0700 2000/4/2, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > I believe that Sendmail 8.10.0 is slightly broken. In tests, unless I > did something wrong, SuperSafe does not create queue files in mqueue, > instead queueing in memory. So, in the case of a system crash mail > would be lost. Sendmail wouldn't be doing this if it weren't safe. Have you done a detailed analysis of the situation and the code? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 15:14:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD85F37BB72 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12brg4-0000NZ-00; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:13:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:13:00 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000402221300.A1379@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Brennan W Stehling on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:21:05PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:21:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > I was running FreeBSD-3.4-STABLE and wanted to get to 4.0 now that it is > listed as stable. I have done upgrades since 3.0 and started out like I > usually do. I followed the instructions on "make world" closely... > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > ... and made sure the source was fully syncronized. I had synced it a > couple of nights ago and give it one last update before starting yesterday > afternoon. > > I checked /etc/group and needed no changes and dropped to single user > mode. So far everything works as planned. > > I deleted the old /usr/obj files, started the script monitor and started > "make world" in /usr/src/. After a couple of hours of compiling it > started installing and finally failed. This isn't the way to upgrade from 3.x to 4.0. Read src/UPDATING. Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 15:59:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FC437B89E for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id HAA25681; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:58:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (V4.2) id xma025675; Mon, 3 Apr 00 07:58:36 +0900 Received: from jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp ([192.168.7.250]) by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id HAA23688; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:58:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02/21/99) with ESMTP id WAA00423; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Burkard Meyendriesch Subject: Re: problems to get a src-4 tree In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000402222246Y.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:22:46 +0900 From: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 60 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, There is a small bug in src-4.0000xEmpty.gz. You have to do: # mkdir src # ctm -v /usr/ctm/deltas/src-4.0000xEmpty.gz That should get you going. Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Development, Kubota Corp. /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:24:23 +0200 From: Burkard Meyendriesch :: ::Hello all, :: ::I failed to build a src-4 tree: :: ::starting with src-4.0000xEmpty.gz I end up with: :: :: # ctm -v -v /usr/ctm/deltas/src-4.0000xEmpty.gz = :: :: ctm: warning: .ctm_status not found :: Working on :: Expecting Global MD5 <0a8504be99eff8ed2eb9f97ca0b65dc3> :: Reference Global MD5 <0a8504be99eff8ed2eb9f97ca0b65dc3> :: DR: src doesn't exist. :: ctm: exit(80) ::starting at src-cur.4274.gz, removing .ctm-status and then applying ::src-4.0000.from-src-cur.4274.gz results in: :: :: # ctm -v -v /usr/ctm/deltas/src-4.0000.from-src-cur.4274.gz = :: :: ctm: warning: .ctm_status not found :: Working on :: Expecting Global MD5 <086641040d74d131a68592d6f77a927b> :: Reference Global MD5 <086641040d74d131a68592d6f77a927b> :: FS: .ctm_status doesn't exist. :: ctm: exit(72) :: ::What is my mistake? Can anybody help me please? :: ::Thanks ::Burkard :: ::- -- = :: ::* Burkard Meyendriesch ___ bm@malepartus.de * ::* Hauptstrasse 45 ________|________ tel +49 5484 96097 * ::* D-49219 Glandorf-Schwege 0 52 05'05"N 07 54'29"E * ::* PGP-Fingerprint BF 3B 41 DE 15 4D C9 48 15 EF A5 86 BF 6D 68 1A * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 15:59:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A05337B6AC for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02947; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Alexander Frolkin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <20000402221300.A1379@gamma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If that is now the way to upgrade it should make note of it on the site. I have used it to upgrade in the past and that is what it claims it is for. > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Now I have a dead machine and on time to fix it. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Dawn, n.: The time when men of reason go to bed. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Alexander Frolkin wrote: > On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:21:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > I was running FreeBSD-3.4-STABLE and wanted to get to 4.0 now that it is > > listed as stable. I have done upgrades since 3.0 and started out like I > > usually do. I followed the instructions on "make world" closely... > > > > > > ... and made sure the source was fully syncronized. I had synced it a > > couple of nights ago and give it one last update before starting yesterday > > afternoon. > > > > I checked /etc/group and needed no changes and dropped to single user > > mode. So far everything works as planned. > > > > I deleted the old /usr/obj files, started the script monitor and started > > "make world" in /usr/src/. After a couple of hours of compiling it > > started installing and finally failed. > > This isn't the way to upgrade from 3.x to 4.0. Read src/UPDATING. > > Alexander. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 16:17:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA58937BB45 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA44334; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... In-Reply-To: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not going to bother tearing apart your reply. You obviously have -no- idea what the current state of the PnP system in FreeBSD is. If the FreeBSD kernel -knows- about non-PnP resources then it will not 'remap' PnP hardware to conflict. My discussion of making various ISA device drivers more intelligent in no way alters the behavior of the driver, other than removing the requirement that the user supply the resource information to kernel. This is not about making FreeBSD run only on the latest greatest box; if it were we'd be ripping out ISA support instead of spending time fixing the existing drivers. I'm the -first- person in line in defense of older hardware; I maintain the EISA and MCA support and am working on support for FDDI and Token Ring devices, all of which are for 'dead end' technologies. I don't expect that I'll be behind any move that will result in ISA systems being crippled. :) On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > >> This makes me wary. One of the reasons I like UNIX is the assumption > >> implicit in its organization that the users might actually know what > >> they're doing. > > > > This has nothing to do with UNIX. > > Sorry for the delayed response. My day job got in the way, but now it's > the weekend. There are actually two related but separate issues we're > discussing. The first is hardware configuration, and how it's > accomplished. The second is how should the kernel know where that > hardware was configured. And part of what makes them related is my > contention that automating either of those hasn't made life better. > > About the first: > > If you want to fiddle around with your hardware and feel 'in control', > > feel free to play with old VAXen and QBUS or something. > > At least, when I was admining VAX 11/780 systems, the I/O boards > didn't move around within their address space without me telling > them to (which involved a thin-nosed pliers and some jumpers). > For that matter, neither did the I/O cards in my S100 buss Altair. > Or my PDP-11s. Or...never mind, you get the idea. > > > If you've got totally broken hardware that doesn't stay where you tell > > it then you're pretty much fucked, and hints aren't gonna fix your > > problem. > > But PnP hardware ignorant exists. And no amount of your wishing will > make that that go away. Do you think FreeBSD should only work only on > the latest box Dell ships? > > When your PnP BIOS thinks it knows what the hell it is doing, and moves > your PnP aware sound card on top of your PnP ignorant Ethernet card, > you're screwed. And in your proposed brave new world, the owner of the > machine has no way out, as you've eliminated his ability to override > what you've decided is best for all of us. > > Further, the manufacturers of PnP (and before that EISA) cards > subscribe to the theory that only Microsoft operating systems exist, > and that it is therefore sufficient to provide configuration tools > that only run in Microsoft's environment. That provides further > annoyances for those of us who prefer not to have anything to do > with Microsoft and its world domination plans. > > And on to the second issue: > > This has everything to do with being able to determine card config > > without user intervention. If I can give the driver the ability to > > detect the board and retreive its config with 100% accuracy then thats > > a far better solution than trusting the user to remember the settings > > and properly communicate them to the kernel. > > You =can't= "detect the board and retreive [sic] its config with 100% > accuracy", for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier message > (insufficient specifications, vendors who mis-interpret or ignore those > specifications, etc.). And by removing access to the lower level > knobs, you increase the support load because administrators have no > work-around for breakage. > > Making system architecture decisions based on wishful thinking is just > plain silly. > > And "trusting the user" is what this discussion started about. > > > My goal is to reduce support load by taking advantage of the features > > of the hardware that permit the kernel/drivers to 'do the right > > thing'. > > An admirable goal. Just not realistic given the current state of > Pee-Cee hardware. It will lie to you. Or be invisible and therefore > deceive you. And we've already discussed why that goal will not > reduce the support load. > > I don't mind you taking a "first cut" at a configuration. I object to > your stated goal of removing any configuration control from the system > administrator. The part where you say the kernel config file doesn't > even need an entry for, say, an "ep" driver, and that it will ignore it > if it exists. > > This =is= about control. I want to be able to control where my hardware > resides within its address space. On the other hand =you=, in > collaboration with the hardware vendors, want to control where my (and > everyone else's) hardware resides within its address space. Can you > give me a good reason why I should delegate that authority to you? > > And don't offer: "It makes it easier for newbies." If I bought that, > then I should install Windows '98, because it installs on more different > hardware than FreeBSD will ever see, without the user having to know > anything other than how to work his CD-ROM tray. > > > If you pull your average 3c509 and drop it in a CURRENT box, the driver > > -will- find the current config. > > Assuming the vendor built his card close enough to what you believe the > specifications say. And the EEPROM hasn't faded. And some wild-assed > application (running under a Microsoft operating system that doesn't > provide isolation between the applications and the hardware) hasn't > scrambled its brains. And there isn't an ISA, hardware jumpered board > at the same address as was being used in the machine I pulled the 3c509 > from. > > It's good you chose that example. I went through =exactly= that > exercise two weeks ago. A 3c509B which wouldn't do squat. Even the > 3Com MS-DOS configurator program claimed there were "no Etherlink > cards found" until I pulled out the Creative Labs Soundblaster that > was in there. > > > It will even use that config if nothing else is conflicting. The > > ability to manually provide 'hints' isn't going to alter the config of > > the card. > > I'm not advocating "hints". I'm saying I should be able to tell the > kernel exactly where to look (IRQ, DMA channel, memory window, I/O port) > for any particular piece of hardware. And the kernel should not have to > go on some spelunking expedition to find it. > > > If you go slapping new hardware in a box without making sure its set to > > non-conflicting resources then you get what you deserve. Hints aren't > > gonna fix that problem either. > > And, "making sure its [sic] set to non-conflicting resources" is the > issue at hand. How does one set the resources if you and the board > makers insist that it's your province? > > Ok. So if you are going to invest programming effort, give me a tool > that allows me to set any PnP compatible device exactly where I want it > to be (without booting MS-DOS). Put a smarter, configurable > version of the PnP BIOS functionality into the loader, for example. > > And then I'll make sure my kernel matches up. > > Or, if you insist on automation, have the kernel jam any PnP-capable > device to wherever the kernel has been configured to expect it, rather > than for the kernel to try to guess where the PnP-capable device has > been set by some utility. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 18: 0: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6688E37BC7B for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA85338; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA56336; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004030059.SAA56336@harmony.village.org> To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:58:31 CDT." References: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:59:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Brennan W Stehling writes: : Now I have a dead machine and on time to fix it. Bummer. Maybe next time you'll do the proper research before jumping in and blindly hoping that 'make world' will do the right thing. That's only supported within the same major releases, not accross major release boundaries. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 18:14: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1705637B556 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03625; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:13:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:13:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004030059.SAA56336@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG gosh, thanks for the helpful comments. actually, i did research this as much as i could. i have done this many times in the past, but not over the major boundary. and when i was looking over that make world page it did not offer any warning about not working for the 4.0 upgrade. and since i have done it before and was able to make it work with little effort i figured it would work as it always have. i saw no indication anywhere that there would be a problem. if i cannot trust the official freebsd website to provide me with proper instructions, why would i choose to continue using this operating system? i do not know who you are, but perhaps you should consider your comments before sending them off next time. i have been using FreeBSD for over 2 years now and have been mostly happy with it. lately i have noticed more and more sites are offering helpful information on the bsd's and am glad for it, but no matter how much reading i may do, it is still hard to be a master of the system. it's not like i can buy a detailed book on freebsd or find a detailed web page on the official freebsd website which assists me in moving from 3.x to 4.0. perhaps someone on this list can volunteer to submit a helpful article to one of the bsd sites to assist people like myself who want to learn but need a little help in administering this fine operating system. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Ever notice that even the busiest people are never too busy to tell you just how busy they are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 18:20:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7697F37BC7B for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA85465; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA56572; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004030119.TAA56572@harmony.village.org> To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:13:37 CDT." References: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:19:48 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Brennan W Stehling writes: : gosh, thanks for the helpful comments. Upgrading from source requires a lot of investment in time to get right. Failure to make that investment will result in a bad system. : actually, i did research this as much as i could. i have done this many : times in the past, but not over the major boundary. and when i was : looking over that make world page it did not offer any warning about not : working for the 4.0 upgrade. I'll make sure that it is changed then. I could have sworn that we put some warnings in between the 2.x -> 3.0 upgrade. : if i cannot trust the official freebsd website to provide me with proper : instructions, why would i choose to continue using this operating system? You have every right to expect that to be up to date and have all the usual warnings. : i do not know who you are, but perhaps you should consider your comments : before sending them off next time. I maintain the UPDATING file, which contains most all of the instructions that you'll need to upgrade from 3.4 -> 4.0. : it's not like i can buy a detailed book on freebsd or find a detailed web : page on the official freebsd website which assists me in moving from 3.x : to 4.0. perhaps someone on this list can volunteer to submit a helpful : article to one of the bsd sites to assist people like myself who want to : learn but need a little help in administering this fine operating system. Agreed. Like I said, I'll do what I can to make sure that the makeworld part of the handbook is updated to reflect what is and isn't supported. And also to put a pointer to the UPDATING file. Thanks for the comments. Sorry I was so harsh on you. Part of that was for the archives for the next person who looks through the mailing list archives looking for pitfalls will know better. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 18:25:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AD937B59F for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA06476; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:25:08 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda06470; Sun Apr 2 18:24:52 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA62883; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdW62881; Sun Apr 2 18:24:31 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA56232; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004030124.SAA56232@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdg56228; Sun Apr 2 18:24:26 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Brad Knowles Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Tobias Roth , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail 8.10.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:42:44 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:24:26 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Brad Knowles writes: > At 12:34 PM -0700 2000/4/2, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > > I believe that Sendmail 8.10.0 is slightly broken. In tests, unless I > > did something wrong, SuperSafe does not create queue files in mqueue, > > instead queueing in memory. So, in the case of a system crash mail > > would be lost. > > Sendmail wouldn't be doing this if it weren't safe. Have you > done a detailed analysis of the situation and the code? Not yet. Time is at a premium these days. I might have some time over the next two weeks starting Tuesday evening (a couple of hours during evenings is when I get to do fun stuff assuming I'm not doing something that is directly job related). If I am successful I'll send a patch to sendmail.org. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 18:39: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3629437B52A for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id A0648E895; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14567.63024.577189.34340@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:38:56 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-RELEASE; panic while paging In-Reply-To: <20000331223828.X24822@speedy.gsinet> References: <20000329175018.V15889@TK147108.telekabel.at> <20000329195354.A40356@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20000330205606.B15889@TK147108.telekabel.at> <20000330200422.B16409@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <14564.50142.22563.853112@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000331223828.X24822@speedy.gsinet> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "GS" == Gerhard Sittig writes: >> hiccup. I have not tried FreeBSD on it. Every major part in >> that box has been swapped out except the case. GS> Which makes this fact bubble up immediately: The case holds the GS> power supply which is quite essential and can cause random The power supply is not *part* of the case; it is one of the major components that was replaced. GS> And for the uptimes: Do you remember the thread about which OS GS> runs coolest? I guess NT is the one of the above systems with Don't know. This box has a fan on the front, three across the middle (rack-mount case) and one on the PS in the back. GS> Just a thought. Maybe it helps and you can recycle an old(?) I replaced it ;-) No point getting more gray hairs worrying about flaky hardware when you can replace it! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 PGP & MIME spoken here http://www.kciLink.com/home/khera/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 19:19:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pmail1.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [194.221.183.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FF3C37BCD9 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 27304 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 2000 02:19:02 -0000 Received: from pc19f7b42.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.123.66) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 02:19:02 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22376 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:17:49 +0200 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:17:48 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ICU configuration (was: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready...) Message-ID: <20000402221748.A22330@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.org References: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 11:20:59AM -0700 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 11:20 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > Ok. So if you are going to invest programming effort, give me > a tool that allows me to set any PnP compatible device exactly > where I want it to be (without booting MS-DOS). Put a smarter, > configurable version of the PnP BIOS functionality into the > loader, for example. Sorry for throwing the L-word into this discussion, but one of the other free UNIX systems has exactly such a tool. The manpage of isapnp(8) refers to the "Plug and Play ISA Specification, Version 1.0a, May 5, 1994. Available from ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/developer/drg/Plug-and-Play/Pnpspecs" as the underlying spec and sources can be found at ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/unix/linux/utils. The package description reads as follows: ----- :r !rpm -qi -f /sbin/isapnp ------------------------------- Name : isapnp Distribution: S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3 (i386) Version : 1.10 Vendor: S.u.S.E. GmbH, Fuerth, Germany Release : 18 Build Date: Thu Jul 30 04:35:24 1998 Install date: Sat Oct 17 00:34:11 1998 Build Host: wolfskehl.suse.de Group : Source RPM: isapnp-1.10-18.src.rpm Size : 98440 Packager : feedback@suse.de Summary : ISA plug and play configuration utility Description : Two programs - one allows the dumping of resource data and generation of a skeleton configuration file, the other configures ISA PnP hardware using a configuration file. More Info: /usr/doc/packages/isapnp/README.SuSE Authors: -------- Peter Fox ----------------------------------------------------------------- That's right what I think is needed: In the earlier days there was a need to - identify the hardware and dump their resource wishes to a file (once or when new hardware was added) - modify these descriptions to form a collision-free allocation scheme or to force the hardware to what the admin thinks how it should be (once) - use this scheme for assigning these resources and activating the devices (upon every boot process, usually automated) This includes the possibility to disable disturbing devices (no matter what the device itself or a driver thought it should be like) and to treat broken or even working ICU stuff just like the jumpered ISA cards. But now it doesn't even take a screw driver to arrange for the settings. That's what comes closest to how I know 3c509 cards w/ its disabled PnP feature -- which I feel to be the ultimate solution in comfort and flexibility: software configuration _and_ no bad surprises due to badly implemented automatisms! Newer releases could permute these reservations themselves and thereby generate a "suggestion" for one such collision-free set without the user's need to intervene. The latest releases are said to watch out for the PCI resources, too. Although I never followed this very closely. This seems to be what newer BIOSes do -- but not everyone has such a BIOS and still wants to use ICU cards (network, ISDN, sound, whatever in an 486). Isn't there anything comparable to this tool in FreeBSD country? Could it be made a port? Do I miss a point when I think all this program needs is access to an (ISA) io port and the sped'ed ICU algo runs the same in any system? I understand that it's a limitation for this program to be in userland and running after the kernel is loaded (that's why it could only help when the ICU using driver is a lkm). Even if it wasn't this very program which could make it to FreeBSD (for the above reason), maybe this one can serve as a template for something useful. I just wished there was a means to - manually tell the machine where to put certain devices *when*in*such*need* - manually tell the machine where _not_ to put _any_ devices *when*in*such*need* (since there's legacy hardware which cannot be detected _cleanly_, and admin's hints often are more determined than autodetection) - automatically have all the resources assigned to the hardware for those lucky of us where everything works as specified It could work as headed for by Matthew N. Dodd (?) with everything done as planned _with_ the addition of overriding the settings found by the BIOS or permutated ourselfes when there's a configuration file provided by the admin. I see a need for - exclusion of resources from the pool to be assigned (i.e. "reservation") and - fixed assignments independent of what other resource combination an ICU component might suggest ("weakening" or "deletion" of the/some capabilities provided by the device) Please forgive my being focused on Linux since I haven't found my way to FreeBSD yet (still looking for a guide like "if you want to ... do this" -- there may be similarities but they're not obvious to me, so I'm still toying around and I'm still some sort of without orientation). virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 19:58:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4422037B651 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04015 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:58:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: repairing bad build Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok, now that i have messed up my box severely i need help in starting over. the most important thing is getting my secondary drive back. it does not contain any system files, but the superblock info is messed up. i have always been able to use fsck to repair the filesystems (mostly with solaris actually) but this time i am stuck. it says the superblock magic number cannot be found and the alternate is not working either. does anyone know of a way to restore the filesystem? as for the primary drive, i can pull my etc backups off it and start over. that is not a problem. i will likely get a cd from walnut creek and doa clean install. that is the surest bet. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: "For an adequate time call 555-3321" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 23:18:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4B537B5D1 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115206>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:18:51 +1000 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Lockups in 3-stable To: stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <00Apr3.161851est.115206@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:18:50 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a Dell OptiPlex GXi (Pentium-133 with 96MB RAM) running 3-STABLE (from mid-March) which is used as a WAN simulator (using dummynet) between 4 100baseTX networks. Every couple of weeks, it hangs - no response to network or keyboard (including Ctrl-Alt-Esc). Since it won't panic, and I can't get to DDB, I can't get a crashdump, so all I've got to go on is the boot messages (below). Does anyone have any ideas? Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #6: Mon Mar 13 14:58:15 EST 2000 root@wansim.alcatel.com.au:/usr/src/sys/compile/wansim Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.95-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) avail memory = 94912512 (92688K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02b6000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 fxp0: rev 0x08 int a irq 11 on pci0.13.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:c4:9f fxp1: rev 0x08 int a irq 10 on pci0.14.0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:8f:ee fxp2: rev 0x08 int a irq 9 on pci0.15.0 fxp2: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:bd:ab vga0: rev 0x54 int a irq 11 on pci0.16.0 xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.17.0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:4f:ba:32:2b xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 100Mbps) Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <12 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xb0ffb0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , LBA, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 1023 cyls, 64 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default DUMMYNET initialized (000212) changing root device to wd0s1a Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 2 23:30:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264FB37BDA0 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04802; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Peter Jeremy Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups in 3-stable In-Reply-To: <00Apr3.161851est.115206@border.alcanet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a problem a while back where it appeared the the system as hanging, but not really crashing. It was the msql database and happened when complex select statements where running. It would kill the processor and eat up all the cycles and not allow for anything else, including keyboard responses to run. The first couple of times that I tried this I thought it was locked up so I forced a reboot... (power off, power on). But later I left it hang and it came back all on it's own, although it took quite a while. The machine was also very busy acting as a file server using netatalk for several macs on the network. Once the server froze up the users were not pleased. Perhaps you are experiencing a similar problem with the same or different software. Maybe you have a hardware issue. When I was running 3.4 STABLE it was pretty solid, although 3.4 RELEASE crashed on me once. (Darwin Streaming Server caused it somehow) Perhaps an upgrade to the latest 3.4 will help you a bit as well. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Never count your chickens before they rip your lips off On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I have a Dell OptiPlex GXi (Pentium-133 with 96MB RAM) running > 3-STABLE (from mid-March) which is used as a WAN simulator (using > dummynet) between 4 100baseTX networks. Every couple of weeks, it > hangs - no response to network or keyboard (including Ctrl-Alt-Esc). > Since it won't panic, and I can't get to DDB, I can't get a crashdump, > so all I've got to go on is the boot messages (below). Does anyone > have any ideas? > > Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #6: Mon Mar 13 14:58:15 EST 2000 > root@wansim.alcatel.com.au:/usr/src/sys/compile/wansim > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.95-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 > Features=0x1bf > real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) > avail memory = 94912512 (92688K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02b6000. > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 > chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 > ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 > fxp0: rev 0x08 int a irq 11 on pci0.13.0 > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:c4:9f > fxp1: rev 0x08 int a irq 10 on pci0.14.0 > fxp1: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:8f:ee > fxp2: rev 0x08 int a irq 9 on pci0.15.0 > fxp2: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:20:bd:ab > vga0: rev 0x54 int a irq 11 on pci0.16.0 > xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.17.0 > xl0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:4f:ba:32:2b > xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 100Mbps) > Probing for PnP devices: > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > sc0 on isa > sc0: VGA color <12 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa > sio0: type 16550A > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xb0ffb0ff on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , LBA, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 > wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 1023 cyls, 64 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in > ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa > ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > lpt0: on ppbus 0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus 0 > plip0: on ppbus 0 > npx0 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > atkbd0 irq 1 on isa > psm0 irq 12 on isa > psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 > vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa > Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug > IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default > DUMMYNET initialized (000212) > changing root device to wd0s1a > > Peter > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 1:31: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from infos1.casaccia.enea.it (INFOS1.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.71.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D3037BD4A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poggif@casaccia.enea.it) Received: from studi7106 (STUDI7106.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.77.106]) by infos1.casaccia.enea.it (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22676 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:31:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000403103051.00923550@infos1.casaccia.enea.it> X-Sender: poggif@infos1.casaccia.enea.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:30:51 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Fabrizio Poggi Subject: /stand/sysinstall from scratch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I have a courious accident: Installed FreeBSD on a supplementary hd; the machine is a standard p200mmx, sis6326, 64 MbRam, 13GB + 2Gb Hd. The installation was made with boot manager that switch between the two disk and then between the O/S. On the first hd is mount winNT. All run good for more than a week (great uptime record!) One morning, the boot of FreeBSD detect a error ("boot error". Stop). Loss of entire installation & configuration. Nothing done by me, unexpected. Decided for a more clear installation on primary hd. From scratch. Put NT in the first 2Gb then make a 6Gb of free space for FreeBSD. All ok. Make the slice; set auto option for correct repartition of the slice. Good install of all distribution set. The strange thing happen at the end of installation. The sysinstall interface has begun to flashing rapidly and switch between the various screens at random, doing all by itself, leaving only partial control of keyboard. On the alternative TTY any error was displayed. I've decided for reinstall again all. At this second time the flashing of /sysinstall begun more soon and stops me. Only a particular. The disk exceed the 8Gb. So the sectors are not in conjunction with the end boundary of cylinder. But the all the slice & boot manager was under the limits of 8Gb and may I expect a signal of bad attempt to install (You can't install on this disk because is not correctly formatted) and not this strange crazyness. Anyone has the same problem or can tell me who I have done mistakes? Thanx in advance. Regards, Fabrizio. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 1:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.pd.chel.ru (ras.pd.chel.ru [212.57.133.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D98DB37B95B for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lw@pd.chel.ru) Received: (qmail 317 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 08:36:16 -0000 Received: from lw.uvd.chel.su (192.168.200.123) by mail.uvd.chel.su with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 08:36:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:34:50 +0500 From: "Sergey A. Ivanov" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Sergey A. Ivanov" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10607.000403@pd.chel.ru> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ahb bug? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello -stable! I'm trying to use old EISA 486 as small mail server. My hardware (from dmesg): FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 3 13:57:04 YEKST 2000 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 29265920 (28580K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "HUB" at 0xc0379000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc0379098. md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface eisa0: on motherboard mainboard0: on eisa0 slot 0 ahb0: at 0x1c00-0x1cff, irq 11 (edge) ahb0: on eisa0 slot 1 ahb0: AHA1742A Single Ended SCSI Adapter, FW Rev. A , ID=7, 64 ECBs isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16450 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16450 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 ep0: <3Com 3C509B-Combo EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 ep0: Ethernet address 00:60:97:18:7e:16 Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ahb0: SCSI Bus Reset Delivered da0 at ahb0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 510MB (1046206 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 510C) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a da1 at ahb0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 2051MB (4201304 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2051C) I have great problem: can't use 2Gb Fibeball at all! It is detected (as you can see), but when i trying partitioning it by sysinstall, SCSI controller hang; after a while, it reports: (da1:ahb0:1:0):ECB 0xc3491e80 - timed out (da1:ahb0:1:0): Queuing BDR (da1:ahb0:1:0):ECB 0xc3491e80 - timed out ahbreset: No answer from aha1742 board panic: ahb0: adapter not taking commands syncing disks... The machine did not respond to Ctrl-Alt-Del so it need power off cycle. And it need to stay some time power-off for "relaxing" controller, else it won't boot. It is my fault, it is my hardware fault or it just hit bug in ahb driver code? Best regards, Sergey mailto:lw@pd.chel.ru ICQ UIN: 49432691 http://lw.narod.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 2:12: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4D37B5AE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.10.0/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id e339BqU28039 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (root@niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id LAA04294 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (talon@localhost) by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA62296 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:48 +0200 From: Michel TALON To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... Message-ID: <20000403111148.A38326@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 11:20:59AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To add my (very limited) experience to this thread, here is what occured to me. Recently a PC of my lab (running Win95, the only one under this OS) went out of service so we took an old one running Linux and tried to install Win95 on it. We stuffed the old NIC and SoundBlaster and SCSI (Symbios) card in it and began installation. At the end Windows did not see the NIC nor the SCSI card. After spending one full day playing with the cards and rebooting, still no luck. Note that we have no experience with MS Os's. Finally i discovered that the BIOS was not in the PNP OS mode. Changing that, miracle, the NIC was seen but not the SCSI card. After several more reboots, removing the drivers for the Soundblaster and so on, Win finally succeeded in putting all 3 cards in different IRQ's and having them functional. However the Soundblaster never found the usual setting of IRQ 5 etc. that is so easy to get using isapnp under Linux or pnp command under FreeBSD. Some days later i upgraded my old home PC, adding a NIC, and same problem. I had to change the AMD PC-NEt PCI for a 3 COm and play the same game with the Soundblaster to see the NIC. Moral of the story. It is plain untrue that Windows sees all hardware in a straightfoward way. One may need to fiddle very much with BIOS settings and it is very long and guesswork, involving a lot of reboots. It is much easier to use tools such as pnpdump (linux) or pnpinfo (freebsd) and issue the proper configuration commands. Having an automatic procedure is nice, if it works. But there is no insurance that it will work even under Windows and with the manufacturer provided drivers. -- Michel TALON To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 3:38:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8B037B68D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12c4Ex-000Ooa-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:37:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:37:51 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Brad Knowles Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Coleman Kane , Jeff Fisher , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Message-ID: <20000403123751.B94441@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000401004437.A6904@evil.2y.net> <20000401135701.A11341@evil.2y.net> <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun 2000-04-02 (21:16), Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:30 PM -0600 2000/4/1, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > What was the experience that taught you this lesson? (I have always > > done this.) > > Processes that need to make use of /tmp during the boot process, > but before /usr is mounted will bomb out. This may keep the system > from booting, etc.... As has been previously mentioned, a "dummy" /usr/tmp on the root filesystem usually handles this. Not that I'm making any comment about the various merits of each option. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 4:16:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dns1.kema.nl (dns1.kema.nl [194.53.253.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5371B37BDA0 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaap@114046.kema.nl) Received: (from root@localhost) by dns1.kema.nl (8.9.1a/8.6.12) id NAA24570; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:15:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by dns1.kema.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma024403; Mon, 3 Apr 00 13:15:31 +0200 Received: from 114046.kema.nl ([194.53.231.193]) by emma.kema.nl (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA26569; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 114046.kema.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 114046.kema.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA71586; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jaap@114046.kema.nl) Message-Id: <200004031123.NAA71586@114046.kema.nl> To: Brad Knowles Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Coleman Kane , Jeff Fisher , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:16:00 +0200. Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:23:08 +0200 From: Jaap Akkerhuis Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brad & all, At 5:30 PM -0600 2000/4/1, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > What was the experience that taught you this lesson? (I have always > done this.) Processes that need to make use of /tmp during the boot process, but before /usr is mounted will bomb out. This may keep the system from booting, etc.... The standard solution is to have a small /tmp on root, use that during the booting phase, and at the end of that, nfs mount /usr/tmp on top of that. Of course, one shouldn't leave any file open on the original /tmp. There are other ways to accomplish similar effects, for instance, mount_union. jaap To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 4:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ECC37BBE1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 04:59:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581B8DBD9; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000403123751.B94441@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000401004437.A6904@evil.2y.net> <20000401135701.A11341@evil.2y.net> <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> <20000403123751.B94441@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:53:52 +0200 To: Neil Blakey-Milner From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Coleman Kane , Jeff Fisher , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:37 PM +0200 2000/4/3, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: >> Processes that need to make use of /tmp during the boot process, >> but before /usr is mounted will bomb out. This may keep the system >> from booting, etc.... > > As has been previously mentioned, a "dummy" /usr/tmp on the root > filesystem usually handles this. If you're going to do this, you might as well make /tmp a mount point and mount a real filesystem (or an mfs) on top of it later in the boot stage. Either way you end up with the potential that there may be files stored in the root filesystem "underneath" and hidden by the filesystem mounted on top of it (thus wasting space), and it's almost certainly likely to be a lot less confusing if /tmp is an explicit separate filesystem than if you have a shadow /usr. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 5: 7:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BC037B687 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12c5dY-000PBE-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:07:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:07:20 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Brad Knowles Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Message-ID: <20000403140719.A96285@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000401004437.A6904@evil.2y.net> <20000401135701.A11341@evil.2y.net> <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> <20000403123751.B94441@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon 2000-04-03 (12:53), Brad Knowles wrote: > > As has been previously mentioned, a "dummy" /usr/tmp on the root > > filesystem usually handles this. > > If you're going to do this, you might as well make /tmp a mount > point and mount a real filesystem (or an mfs) on top of it later in > the boot stage. That doesn't follow. Some people don't like separate /tmp partitions, and quite a number dislike using MFS for "temporary files". > Either way you end up with the potential that there may be files > stored in the root filesystem "underneath" and hidden by the > filesystem mounted on top of it (thus wasting space), and it's almost > certainly likely to be a lot less confusing if /tmp is an explicit > separate filesystem than if you have a shadow /usr. Yes, this is a problem. Problems do occasionally have solutions though (hacked rc scripts being one not unknown suggestion). It's not 'stupid' to do it this way. There are probably as many arguments against many partitions as there are against few or one partitions, and I certainly don't want to go through those again *grin*. Anyway, I have megalines of documentation to do, consider this my last input to the thread. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 5: 8:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87E437B54C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC16DA62; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:08:28 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004031123.NAA71586@114046.kema.nl> References: <200004031123.NAA71586@114046.kema.nl> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:07:54 +0200 To: Jaap Akkerhuis From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Coleman Kane , Jeff Fisher , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:23 PM +0200 2000/4/3, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > The standard solution is to have a small /tmp on root, use that > during the booting phase, and at the end of that, nfs mount /usr/tmp > on top of that. Of course, one shouldn't leave any file open on > the original /tmp. This would be a problem for any filesystem mounted on top of /tmp, but since /usr/tmp is not supposed to be cleaned on reboot and /tmp is, and /usr/tmp is intended to be a place where relatively large temporary files can be stored (while /tmp should be reserved for only smaller temporary files), I believe that it is best to keep them completely separate and distinct from each other. Not to mention the fact that I might want to enable async, softupdates, or mfs mounts on /tmp, while I might not want to have to do the same for all of /usr. Besides, file locking becomes impossible in -STABLE once you've mounted it with NFS (we don't have a working lockd, although work in this area is progressing in -CURRENT), and NFS writes generally suck when compared to local writes. If you absolutely, positively, *MUST* unify your /usr/tmp and /tmp directories or else you will go stark raving mad and murder everyone on the planet, then IMO a symlink is a better idea than doing an NFS mount. But better still is to make no attempt to unify them, and instead have a separate and dedicated filesystem that gets mounted on /tmp, and you can use softupdates, async mounts, or mfs, or nothing extra at all -- all depending on your particular needs and desires. > There are other ways to accomplish similar > effects, for instance, mount_union. Which still has sufficient problems to cause it to be disrecommended even in -CURRENT (check the comments in your LINT kernel). I believe work is going on in this area and may have progressed to the point where it won't cause kernel panics the moment you try to enable it and reboot, but I don't know how much further things may have gotten than that. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 5:15:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2B137BDDA for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1625218381; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:15:13 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000403140719.A96285@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000401004437.A6904@evil.2y.net> <20000401135701.A11341@evil.2y.net> <38E686A2.BC52FBA3@math.missouri.edu> <20000403123751.B94441@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000403140719.A96285@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:13:27 +0200 To: Neil Blakey-Milner From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: What is needed in /stand Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:07 PM +0200 2000/4/3, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > That doesn't follow. Some people don't like separate /tmp partitions, > and quite a number dislike using MFS for "temporary files". Well, /tmp is supposed to get cleaned out on boot, and nothing that is supposed to survive reboots should ever be stored there. That's what /usr/tmp or /var/tmp is for. If you don't want to use mfs, that's fine -- no one is forcing you to. If you don't want to use a separate filesystem (so that you could mount it async or with softupdates), that's fine too. However, if you're going to do something that I consider to be rather dumb and symlink /tmp to /usr/tmp, then you need to be prepared for the consequences, and you need to be prepared for people who will recommend all sorts of alternatives that will work better, at least under some/many/most circumstances. > Yes, this is a problem. Problems do occasionally have solutions > though (hacked rc scripts being one not unknown suggestion). It's > not 'stupid' to do it this way. There are probably as many arguments > against many partitions as there are against few or one partitions, > and I certainly don't want to go through those again *grin*. Granted, it's a religious war, but if someone is going to start it by saying "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!", they shouldn't be surprised if they get a round of "So don't do that!" responses. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 6: 5:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB8237BDCB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-216-78-82-86.cha.bellsouth.net [216.78.82.86]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id JAA00576 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004030059.SAA56336@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message Brennan W Stehling writes: > : Now I have a dead machine and on time to fix it. > > Bummer. Maybe next time you'll do the proper research before jumping > in and blindly hoping that 'make world' will do the right thing. > That's only supported within the same major releases, not accross > major release boundaries. > > Warner I think the website also states that one should read release notes and errata. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 6:14:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CC637BAC2 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA91434 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:14:41 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and then did a build world 4.0-STABLE (cvsup'd 4/1) on a old laptop (Toshiba Satalilite 110CT). The OS is working fine, no ATA problems, too old I guess. I am using a D-Link DE-660CT PCMCIA card (NE2000 clone), the card is working fine. The problem I am having is with bootup. After pccardd is loaded /etc/rc continues on and finished, failing on every piece of networking, before the PCMCIA card is initialized. I modified /etc/rc as follows: # start up PC-card configuration if [ -f /etc/rc.pccard ]; then . /etc/rc.pccard fi + +echo 'sleeping' ; sleep 30 + This is a crude hack, but is has guarenteed that the NIC is configured before /etc/rc continues. 1) Is the a problem due to the age of the laptop? 2) Am I missing something? 3) Is there a "proper" way to do this? Jim -- The wise man built his network upon U*nx. The foolish man built his network upon Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 6:25:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (spook.networkoperations.com [209.42.203.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D354337BA24 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 34747 invoked by uid 100); 3 Apr 2000 13:25:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:25:45 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: repairing bad build Message-ID: <20000403092545.H34039@laptop.firehouse.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 09:58:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of the ether, Brennan W Stehling spewed forth the following bitstream: > does anyone know of a way to restore the filesystem? restore -R Seriously, it appears that you have mangled the disk beyond repair. AlanC --=20 \ Alan B. Clegg Just because I can \ abc@firehouse.net does not mean I will. \ \ --pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: sJRlP33CpkHV8zdTAZyPLDn26izIXv4H iQA/AwUBOOib2Pcyv/gweBpYEQKn8gCfRrPy5s0R9endqjUti03oMOhN3vAAn0yo H08uL353z1fpuWjQjFwkSVLl =2Lm+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 6:33:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (spook.networkoperations.com [209.42.203.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E25D137BA24 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 34807 invoked by uid 100); 3 Apr 2000 13:33:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:33:22 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: James Housley Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Message-ID: <20000403093322.I34039@laptop.firehouse.net> References: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U3s59FfKcByyGl+j" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net>; from jim@thehousleys.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:14:41AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --U3s59FfKcByyGl+j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of the ether, James Housley spewed forth the following bitstream: > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and then did a build world 4.0-STABLE > (cvsup'd 4/1) on a old laptop (Toshiba Satalilite 110CT). The OS is > working fine, no ATA problems, too old I guess. I am using a D-Link > DE-660CT PCMCIA card (NE2000 clone), the card is working fine. The > problem I am having is with bootup. After pccardd is loaded /etc/rc > continues on and finished, failing on every piece of networking, before > the PCMCIA card is initialized.=20 This is *NOT* a problem with your system, this is the way it works. I=20 believe it to be broken, but have not gotten around to doing anything about it yet. My setup includes a machine with a wavelan PCMCIA card that is started so late in the system boot that named does not attach to it's interface. My fix (since other interfaces were working OK) was to modify=20 /etc/pccard.conf as follows for that interface: card "Lucent Technologies" "WaveLAN/IEEE" config 0x1 "wi0" ? insert echo WaveLAN/IEEE inserted insert /etc/pccard_ether wi0 10.100.100.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 insert (sleep 10 && /usr/sbin/ndc restart) remove echo WaveLAN/IEEE removed remove /sbin/ifconfig wi0 delete 10.100.100.10 Note that the sleep 10 is requred so that named is not mugged during it's startup during boot. AlanC --U3s59FfKcByyGl+j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: ocKHME+bRr+H7BKtKYHxHjeySTomxgDF iQA/AwUBOOidofcyv/gweBpYEQKxLQCcCKpdc9oRrc2bmWrPumXHus47NnIAoKrY YuWyYFPZno2KndhY6zwU8hNg =jnbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --U3s59FfKcByyGl+j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B379E37BDA1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA56176; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Ted Spradley Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... In-Reply-To: <200004030133.UAA77852@set.spradley.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Ted Spradley wrote: > > If the FreeBSD kernel -knows- about non-PnP resources then it will not > > 'remap' PnP hardware to conflict. > > But does it 'remap' PnP hardware to remove a conflict that already exists? PnP hardware has no config until the kernel gives it one. The PnP card has info that describes which resource ranges are valid; the kernel will pick configurations within the valid ranges and activate the card. If no resources are available in the range that the card can use then the card will not be enabled. > > [...] > > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > [...] > > > It's good you chose that example. I went through =exactly= that > > > exercise two weeks ago. A 3c509B which wouldn't do squat. Even the > > > 3Com MS-DOS configurator program claimed there were "no Etherlink > > > cards found" until I pulled out the Creative Labs Soundblaster that > > > was in there. > > Can FreeBSD deal with that? When the MS-DOS configurator from the > manufacturer can't? That would be wonderful. That seems to me to be > a very hard problem, a problem that was created by the (imperfect) > addition of Plug'n'Play on top of the already imperfect mechanism of > jumper-selected addresses and IRQs. PnP and 'softset' cards have nothing to do with eachother; it is possible to configure your system in such a way that the PnP boards have no resources available to them in the range that they require but FreeBSD shouldn't activate them on top of another fixed resource device. > And that was (to my understanding) Mr. Larson's original complaint: > that the evolution of address and IRQ (etc.) selection mechanisms over > the years (while it may or may not have made things easier for some > people, I don't know) has made it more difficult for some of us to > isolate, identify, and correct it when it doesn't work. Mr. Larson has no valid complaint; I'm not talking about taking 'control' away from the user. If the user wishes to alter the configuration of his legacy devices he may do so as he has always done; with jumpers or 'softset' programs. PnP boards are a totally different story and if the user wishes to control his PnP boards and their resource allocation then he has only 1 choice which is to remove them from his system. This is the nature of PnP and there is nothing FreeBSD can do about it. The good news is that the PnP support in 4.0/-CURRENt kicks ass and deals with PnP devices pretty well. The only situation that you will get into trouble with PnP devices is when you fail to inform the kernel of non-PnP ISA devices and the kernel hands out resources that are already in use. This is a problem that we're working on. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:12:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fr.uu.net (smtp2.fr.uu.net [194.98.0.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D4237BF36 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@u2france.com) Received: from argyre.fr.uu.net (mail.fr.uu.net [194.98.0.9]) by mail.fr.uu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1863276A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:12:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from marci1.marcireau.fr ([212.208.179.3]) by argyre.fr.uu.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10577 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:12:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dom [212.208.179.135] by marci1.marcireau.fr (SMTPD32-6.00) id A9CD4770100; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:17:01 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01bf9d6e$adc38aa0$2c000078@dom> From: "Dom - U2 France" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:15:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF9D7F.6E623300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF9D7F.6E623300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF9D7F.6E623300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF9D7F.6E623300-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:25:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56A537BEA2 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA88458 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA76192 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> Subject: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA54188; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38E8AADF.513BA31B@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:29:51 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time References: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Hi! > > I'm sure plenty of people observed this and it is probably already fixed > -1d: Cannot apply date adjustment > usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... > [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] > I got that too, but my time was corrected, by /etc/crontab: 1,31 0-5 * * * root adjkerntz -a Jim -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:40:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD0137BE1A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06311; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:39:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:39:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Jim Weeks Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I also read the release notes and errata. I read that weeks before attempting this upgrade. I actually waited until it was marked as STABLE for a week or two and then started my upgrade. The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. I used that documentation many times in the past and it did not show any indication that it would be different now. Once again, consider your comments before you make them. This is my home box and I can only work with what I can find on the freebsd.org and other bsd sites. I actually rely heavily on them for doing just about every task that I have learned to do in the last 2 years. I am not a moron that does not read any documentation. So let me lash back a bit here, maybe you should read someones full email and the rest of the thread before flaming them. You only come off as a prick and discourage people from using FreeBSD. I love it and have been using it for over 2 years but the flames I got recently when asking for a few suggestions have been discouraging. It's like I should just stick to reading the README's and online documentation and avoid all contact with any mailing list or chat room. If that is the case, I will be happy to switch over to MacOS X Server where my experience with that user base has been quite helpful and friendly. It also happens to be based on FreeBSD, as you already should know. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: VYARZERZOMANIMORORSEZASSEZANSERAREORSES? On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Jim Weeks wrote: > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message Brennan W Stehling writes: > > : Now I have a dead machine and on time to fix it. > > > > Bummer. Maybe next time you'll do the proper research before jumping > > in and blindly hoping that 'make world' will do the right thing. > > That's only supported within the same major releases, not accross > > major release boundaries. > > > > Warner > > I think the website also states that one should read release notes and > errata. > > Jim > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151237BE01 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06324; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:42:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:42:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Alan Clegg Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: repairing bad build In-Reply-To: <20000403092545.H34039@laptop.firehouse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It maybe screwed and I may lose my little mp3 collection, but I will make an attempt with the newsf -N command to look for a good node. It's not a big deal since I have only had it running a few weeks and get get back all the files I had on the box. It is just a little inconvenient. I will let everyone know my progress with the attempted repair... hopefully good news. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Fine day to throw a party. Throw him as far as you can. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Alan Clegg wrote: > Out of the ether, Brennan W Stehling spewed forth the following bitstream: > > > does anyone know of a way to restore the filesystem? > > restore -R > > Seriously, it appears that you have mangled the disk beyond repair. > > AlanC > -- > \ Alan B. Clegg > Just because I can \ abc@firehouse.net > does not mean I will. \ > \ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:49:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C76437B6DB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 31AB3E895; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14568.44904.104751.63300@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> References: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "MT" == Mikhail Teterin writes: MT> I'm sure plenty of people observed this and it is probably already fixed MT> too. My question is, why do I have the correct time on the machine MT> -1d: Cannot apply date adjustment I got it as well. My guess is that by the time the /etc/periodic/daily/460.status-mail-rejects file is run from the daily peroidic run, it is passed 2am, say 2:01am. This is likely since the daily processing starts at 1:59am and might take a little while to run. Asking for the date one day prior to this time is an error, since 2:01am did not exist the day before. It appears to me that the daily runs should happen well before or well after the usual standard/daylight time switchover occurs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:51:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4639E37BF3B for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id CF51DE895; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) To: Mikhail Teterin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: <14568.44904.104751.63300@kci.kciLink.com> References: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> <14568.44904.104751.63300@kci.kciLink.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "VK" == Vivek Khera writes: >>>>> "MT" == Mikhail Teterin writes: MT> I'm sure plenty of people observed this and it is probably already fixed MT> too. My question is, why do I have the correct time on the machine MT> -1d: Cannot apply date adjustment Try this (time adjusted for the actual time you do it: [onceler]~% date -v-31H Sun Apr 2 03:49:42 EDT 2000 [onceler]~% date -v-32H -32H: Cannot apply date adjustment usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] [onceler]~% date Mon Apr 3 10:49:49 EDT 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 7:55:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA12237BDF9 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA33308; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38E8B0E7.A180720A@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:55:35 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time References: <200004031424.KAA76192@rtfm.newton> <14568.44904.104751.63300@kci.kciLink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vivek Khera wrote: > > It appears to me that the daily runs should happen well before or well > after the usual standard/daylight time switchover occurs. I brought this up about 3+ years ago in the mailing lists. The response then was the default config are just that, defaults and work for most people. If it causes problems adjust them yourself. I haven't because once a year is not a problem for me, and finding an idle time to run the scripts is for some. Jim -- Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 8:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EA937BF2F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyson@stanfordalumni.org) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (tc3-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.147]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAB21697 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:10:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:51:28 EDT." <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:09:52 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [cc: deleted] As a moderately humorous aside, when I booted the Windows side of my home machine on Sunday afternoon, it proudly informed me that it had adjusted for the time change, and then displayed a **2-hour** leap ahead. At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by several on this list, managed to get the time right. Don Tyson > >>>>> "VK" == Vivek Khera writes: > > >>>>> "MT" == Mikhail Teterin writes: > MT> I'm sure plenty of people observed this and it is probably already fixed > MT> too. My question is, why do I have the correct time on the machine > > MT> -1d: Cannot apply date adjustment > > Try this (time adjusted for the actual time you do it: > > [onceler]~% date -v-31H > Sun Apr 2 03:49:42 EDT 2000 > [onceler]~% date -v-32H > -32H: Cannot apply date adjustment > usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] > [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... > [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] > [onceler]~% date > Mon Apr 3 10:49:49 EDT 2000 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 8:14:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5B437BECB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12c8Y9-000OMK-00; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:13:58 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01295; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:13:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:13:56 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: William Denton Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Serial port problems with 4.0 Message-ID: <20000403161356.A847@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from buff@pobox.com on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:21:18PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:21:18PM -0400, William Denton wrote: > Hi, > > I installed 4.0-RELEASE from CD yesterday, and it all went very well > except for getting dial-up access to work. I'd had 3.4 on the machine > before and had no problems there, using a 28.8 modem on /dev/cuaa0. Now, > however, things don't work so good. I run ppp by hand as root, and at > first it would dial out, connect to my ISP, then never receive the > ogin: prompt. Now, somehow, not even the Terminal Ready light goes on so > I can't do anything with it. > > The serial ports are detected fine on boot. It was all working normally > two days ago, then half-worked after 4.0 went in, now it doesn't work at > all. Has anyone else had any similar problems? I had a similar problem. There are two ideas that *might* work for you. First, go to /dev and rm all cuaa devices, then remake them. OR, in the kernel config, there are usually several sio entries. Leave only the first one, and recompile. If that doesn't work, remove all after the second one. When i did the first idea, my modem ended up on cuaa4 for some reason, but at least it worked. After removing the sio lines after the first one, it returned to cuaa1 where it belonged. YMMV. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org "Investigators have discovered the cause of the TWA 800 explosion was a frayed wire. The wire became frayed when it was struck by a missile." - Weekend Update, SNL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 8:26:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA22A37BFBD for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12c8jY-0001oa-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:25:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:25:44 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time Message-ID: <20000403112544.A6526@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net>; from tyson@stanfordalumni.org on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:09:52AM -0400 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Donald R. Tyson" probably said: > As a moderately humorous aside, when I booted the Windows > side of my home machine on Sunday afternoon, it proudly > informed me that it had adjusted for the time change, and > then displayed a **2-hour** leap ahead. > > At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by > several on this list, managed to get the time right. This is normal. 'doze keeps the PC's system time as local time, so all it does when it works out it's booted the first time after a timechange (and probably if it is up over a timechange) is add/subtract an hour from the current time. If you run a FreeBSD box with local time in the system clock (which of course you have to to make doze have the correct time), it does the same thing. Boot both after a timechange, you get 2 hours difference, 1 from each. On my dualboot boxes I turn off automatic time changes in doze. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 8:32: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348CC37C14C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 83DD4E895; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14568.47470.412562.32287@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> References: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "DRT" == Donald R Tyson writes: DRT> At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by DRT> several on this list, managed to get the time right. The error is in the date program's ability to tell you the time X hours ago, when that X is during the leap-ahead hour. I consider this a bug in date, as my example showed. The time exists, date just can't tell you what it is. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 8:51:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fuggle.veldy.net (veldy-host201.dsl.visi.com [208.42.48.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E32F37B593 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from 95CTJ (unknown [208.238.139.52]) by fuggle.veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 980A81943 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ca01bf9d84$06339170$dd29680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: References: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> <20000403112544.A6526@pir.net> Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you run a FreeBSD box with local time in the system clock (which of > course you have to to make doze have the correct time), it does the > same thing. > > Boot both after a timechange, you get 2 hours difference, 1 from each. > > On my dualboot boxes I turn off automatic time changes in doze. > I run dual boot Win98 and FreeBSD-4.0-STABLE and I didn't have any problems with dates. I was booted into Windows at the change over. I had been playing Quake3 the night before (no SB Live! support in FreeBSD :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 9:14:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spyregroup.com (ns1.spyregroup.com [63.86.70.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1910F37B59E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Received: (qmail 25033 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 16:13:55 -0000 Received: from damascus.dorm.rutgers.edu (HELO damascus) (165.230.0.68) by ns1.spyregroup.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 16:13:55 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000403120559.03be17b0@email.eden.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: damascus@email.eden.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:12:15 -0400 To: Michel TALON , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... In-Reply-To: <20000403111148.A38326@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> <200004021821.LAA02427@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >At 11:11 AM 4/3/00 +0200, you wrote: >Moral of the story. It is plain untrue that Windows sees all hardware in >a straightfoward way. One may need to fiddle very much with BIOS settings >and it is very long and guesswork, involving a lot of reboots. It is much >easier to use tools such as pnpdump (linux) or pnpinfo (freebsd) and >issue the proper configuration commands. Having an automatic procedure is >nice, if it works. But there is no insurance that it will work even under >Windows and with the manufacturer provided drivers. >-- > >Michel TALON This is why I refuse to buy motherboards that do not allow pci slot irq level control. Asus boards tend to do this well, so I can usually force everything in the proper irq setting and / or reserve irqs and dmas for non pnp devices. Well, it sounded like you had a few pnp isa nics, I only worked with the sound blaster awe 32 pnp. I usually turn off Pnp OS in the Bios. I multiboot windows 95, 98, windows NT, linux, and FreeBSD. My pnp devices work fine, nothing every barfs. I have seen people getting motherboards without pci slot irq level control and they got to do the "magic shuffle" like what you did. It is unfortunate, but I think most "big name vendors" do not supply motherboards with that kind of feature. Ah well. Trouble for them, fine for my own machine. Actually this confuses me a bit. So, if I say pnp os no (which is what has been so successful for me for a while), FreeBSD's kernel will still use the bios to figure out how to dish out what resources? Will it take into consideration what my bios said? So far it seems to (my pci slot irq level control settings). -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 9:32:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C737BEB1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA35646 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:31:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:31:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: using make buildworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a 3.4 STABLE box and want to give it a fresh upgrade with the latest cvs sync, but the buildworld fails. I have deleted the contents of /usr/obj and have done a "make clean" in /usr/src and have a fully synced source tree. What could be preventing the build from working and what can I do to get around it? If you would like to see the scripted output I have made that available online. http://home.offwhite.net/makeworld.txt If it will not work I plan on using a build from another box and mounting it via nfs and doing a "make install" that way. I read that that is one method that can be used for maintaining multiple boxes. Are there any concerns about doing that? (Of course, backups will be created prior to the install on these two boxes as they are actually important boxes while my busted home box is not.) Any help is appreciated. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. -- John Kenneth Galbraith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 9:33: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kaon.intercom.com (kaon.intercom.com [198.143.3.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF1F37BBB8 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from shagalicious.com ([206.98.165.250] helo=intercom.com) by kaon.intercom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12c9lz-000Acj-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: <38E8C792.40EFE40B@intercom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:32:18 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been getting some weird failures on buildworld these days. On most servers, I cannot get a make -j 4 buildworld to go all the way through, have to do make buildworld. Now on one server that was cvsupped this weekend, with a make buildworld, it dies on cpp: /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c: Device not configured *** Error code 1 ANyone have any idea whats going on? -- -Jason J. Horton Fat Man in a Little Coat Intercom Online Inc. 212.376.7440 ext 21 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 10: 9:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB98F37BBA3 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA36754; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:09:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05528; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:09:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200004031709.SAA05528@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vivek Khera Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: Message from Vivek Khera of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:31:58 EDT." <14568.47470.412562.32287@kci.kciLink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:09:21 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >>>>> "DRT" == Donald R Tyson writes: > > DRT> At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by > DRT> several on this list, managed to get the time right. > > The error is in the date program's ability to tell you the time X > hours ago, when that X is during the leap-ahead hour. I consider this > a bug in date, as my example showed. The time exists, date just can't > tell you what it is. This is a bug in the way the date -v option interacts with mktime() - it doesn't handle a -1 return. I'll fix this soon (along with some other related problems). -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:11:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEC437B850 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cAPZ-0000Rr-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:13:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:13:13 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: James Housley Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Message-ID: <20000403181312.C898@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net>; from James Housley on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:14:41AM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:14:41AM -0400, James Housley wrote: > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and then did a build world 4.0-STABLE > (cvsup'd 4/1) on a old laptop (Toshiba Satalilite 110CT). The OS is > working fine, no ATA problems, too old I guess. I am using a D-Link > DE-660CT PCMCIA card (NE2000 clone), the card is working fine. The > problem I am having is with bootup. After pccardd is loaded /etc/rc > continues on and finished, failing on every piece of networking, before > the PCMCIA card is initialized. I modified /etc/rc as follows: > ... > 3) Is there a "proper" way to do this? Yes - RTFM ;-) . Adding -z to pccardd_flags (or whatever it is) in rc.conf will make pccardd wait for the drivers to be loaded before becoming a daemon. Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from everest.overx.com (everest.overx.com [63.93.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DAC37B680 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dayton@overx.com) Received: from polo.overx.com (polo.overx.com [63.93.29.12]) by everest.overx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DD11FED; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:19:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: by polo.overx.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E066E3F32; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:19:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Soren Dayton Reply-To: dayton+freebsd-stable@overx.com To: Vivek Khera Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time References: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> <14568.47470.412562.32287@kci.kciLink.com> Date: 03 Apr 2000 13:19:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Vivek Khera's message of "Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <86ya6v59om.fsf@polo.overx.com> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070099 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99) XEmacs/21.1 (Bryce Canyon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vivek Khera writes: > >>>>> "DRT" == Donald R Tyson writes: > > DRT> At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by > DRT> several on this list, managed to get the time right. > > The error is in the date program's ability to tell you the time X > hours ago, when that X is during the leap-ahead hour. I consider this > a bug in date, as my example showed. The time exists, date just can't > tell you what it is. Also, I noticed that cron doesn't handle the leap-hour case. Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:20:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2102237B526 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-209-214-41-162.cha.bellsouth.net [209.214.41.162]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id OAA12728; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Which much venom, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > I am not a moron that does not read any documentation. So let me lash > back a bit here, maybe you should read someones full email and the rest of > the thread before flaming them. > > You only come off as a prick and discourage people from using FreeBSD. I > love it and have been using it for over 2 years but the flames I got > recently when asking for a few suggestions have been discouraging. First, I apologize if that is the way it seemed. I only meant to point out what has bitten me in the back side so often, and I had read the rest of the thread. I know how hard it can be to keep up with the mailing list, but this exact procedure has been worn out on the mailing list ever since the release. > It's like I should just stick to reading the README's and online > documentation and avoid all contact with any mailing list or chat room. Not at all. In fact you will find this on the Make World page. If you try and track -STABLE or -CURRENT and do not read the or mailing lists then you are asking for trouble. Which brings us back to the fact that the correct procedure has been discussed at length on this list for the past two or three weeks. No flame intended, Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:22:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD90037BE1C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cAYo-0000UN-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:22:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:22:46 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. Message-ID: <20000403182246.D898@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <38E8C792.40EFE40B@intercom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <38E8C792.40EFE40B@intercom.com>; from Jason J. Horton on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:32:18PM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:32:18PM -0400, Jason J. Horton wrote: > I have been getting some weird failures on buildworld these days. > On most servers, I cannot get a make -j 4 buildworld to go all the > way through, have to do make buildworld. Now on one server that > was cvsupped this weekend, with a make buildworld, it dies on > > cpp: /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c: Device not configured > *** Error code 1 > > ANyone have any idea whats going on? Looks like your /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c is actually a device file... Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:48:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E818D37B5FF for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA36122 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:48:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: better documentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I seem to have touched a nerve after I had problems with upgrading my home box ot 4.0. The confusion was that I was relying heavily on my experience with FreeBSD 3.x in the last year along with any documentation that I can find on freebsd.org. I also read other sites like daemonnews.org and related bsd sites for anything that could help me learn more. I, like many bsd admins, work alone. I can only do my job as well as I can find documentation to help me. From my experience, the src/UPDATING file has always been empty, but the makeworld.html page in the online handbook has always been there. It has also always worked in assisting me in doing an upgrade. What got me in trouble was the fact that I was not away that the UPDATING file was actually updated with useful information for the 4.0 upgrade. Actually, that is the only place that I now know has the proper instructions for doing this upgrade, but it is too late. I have to start fresh with a clean install, but that is ok. I am not installing a super friendly system like MacOS here, this is Unix and requires some extra care. But what I would like to see on sites like freebsd.org and others is a scope which may only go back about 1 year. We are now at 4.0 STABLE and there it is hard to find the exact info that I need on the freebsd website. If the freebsd homepage was updated perhaps once every 3 months or with each major change to the OS we would all be better off. It could be as simple as providing links to the new documentation or links to README files. The errata files are helpful, but not the easiest thing to read for new users. I want to see FreeBSD grow and become as popular as Linux because I feel it is a better system. Improving the documentation will help. I am even willing to help in this effort given some support from the people who would know what information is needed most. I know most of the necessary information is out there already, it is just a matter of finding it. I search at least 4 sites when looking for information: freebsd.org, daemonnews.org, freebsdzine.org, and freebsddiary.org. Sometimes I find the info, but other times I have to find other sources. It would be nice to have a central point where I can start and quickly gather concise information about FreeBSD. Does anyone have any suggestions for making this happen, or perhaps a place where this already exists? Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. -- Franklin P. Jones On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Jim Weeks wrote: > > > Which much venom, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > I am not a moron that does not read any documentation. So let me lash > > back a bit here, maybe you should read someones full email and the rest of > > the thread before flaming them. > > > > You only come off as a prick and discourage people from using FreeBSD. I > > love it and have been using it for over 2 years but the flames I got > > recently when asking for a few suggestions have been discouraging. > > First, I apologize if that is the way it seemed. I only meant to point > out what has bitten me in the back side so often, and I had read the rest > of the thread. I know how hard it can be to keep up with the mailing > list, but this exact procedure has been worn out on the mailing list ever > since the release. > > > It's like I should just stick to reading the README's and online > > documentation and avoid all contact with any mailing list or chat room. > > Not at all. In fact you will find this on the Make World page. > > If you try and track -STABLE or -CURRENT and do not read the > or mailing lists then you are > asking for trouble. > > Which brings us back to the fact that the correct procedure has > been discussed at length on this list for the past two or three weeks. > > No flame intended, > > Jim > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 11:54:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D26237B539 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02371; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems related to that upgrade. I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your foot. Thanks, Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:17:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (grace.speakeasy.org [216.254.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9AA37B680 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjoseph@speakeasy.org) Received: from 11-112.009.popsite.net (11-112.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.112]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e33JHKg19347 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:17:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: R Joseph Wright X-Sender: rjoseph@mammalia.sea To: stable Subject: indxbib, or how make buildworld failed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I continue to get this error message on make buildworld, even after cvsupping three times: indxbib -c /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/../../../../contrib/groff/indxbib/eign -o ref.bib /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/ref.bib indxbib:No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs. I'm running 4.0-stable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B7537BFD8 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA36262; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:19:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Once again I get flamed. I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation on the site. I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact remains, the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. The page also does not have modification date displayed anywhere. If it had shown it had not been updated for 6 months I would be encourged to join the list for more current information, but it did not. It has also been my experience that mailing lists are usually very busy with information I do not need. In fact, half of the responses have been insults and flames. In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and avoid the mailing lists. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > related to that upgrade. > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > foot. > > Thanks, > > Doug > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:33:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8098637B5BA for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF54DD2B; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:32:12 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:26:27 +0200 To: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:54 AM -0700 2000/4/3, Doug Barton wrote: > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > foot. I know you don't want to hear this, but the reality of it is that we really should be doing a better job of keeping the web pages up-to-date with regards to things like this. In particular, when there is a major change coming and we know that the necessary information is to be found in the appropriate UPDATING file (or wherever), then we should change the web pages to reflect the fact and point to the appropriate specific file. To do otherwise is an unusually large violation of POLA. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:34:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFA637B5AE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761B818063; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:34:28 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:34:11 +0200 To: Brennan W Stehling , Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:19 PM -0500 2000/4/3, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. Unfortunately, it's the mailing lists that have the really current information that you need to know so that you can avoid blowing your feet off. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:39:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CC937B735 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:39:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA89258; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA77614; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004031939.PAA77614@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: from Doug Barton at "Apr 3, 2000 11:54:27 am" To: Doug Barton Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"4.0 transition (according to the original poster, anyway). Neither did any of them mention that the UPDATING is now a reasonable source of information, again... What's the point of creating new source of instructions with every release, anyway? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:41:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9891937B787 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-44.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.44]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06924; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:39:11 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <003b01bf9da4$1e95e2c0$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "Doug Barton" , "Brennan W Stehling" Cc: "Jim Weeks" , References: Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:37:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An acknowledgement A big thankyou to those who contribute so much useful information on this list without ever feeling the need to belittle others. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Barton" To: "Brennan W Stehling" Cc: "Jim Weeks" ; Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Re: make world failed > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > related to that upgrade. > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > foot. > > Thanks, > > Doug > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2D237BECD for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-44.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.44]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09012 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:43:50 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <005901bf9da4$c46f7760$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: Subject: A big thank you Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:42:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9D61.B5167680"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9D61.B5167680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0056_01BF9D61.B5167680" ------=_NextPart_001_0056_01BF9D61.B5167680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GlacierA big thank you to those on this list who contribute so much = useful information for our mutual benefit without feeling the need to = either belittle or flame those who may have less knowledge than = themselves. 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A big thank you to those on this list who contribute so much useful = information for our mutual benefit without feeling the need to either = belittle=20 or flame those who may have less knowledge than themselves.
 
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Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grg@isabase.philol.msu.ru) Received: (from grg@localhost) by isabase.philol.msu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA85168; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:53:06 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from grg) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:53:05 +0400 From: Grigoriy Strokin To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000403235305.A84845@isabase.philol.msu.ru> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is my opninion. Although FreeBSD is a great system, its online documentation is never up to date. Of course, it is the right of FreeBSD developers to reply to any critic "we are not payed for it, and we try to do our best in our scarce time"... That's OK. However, I think that it would be more useful and constructive to add a line "please don't miss /usr/src/UPDATING" to makeworld.html and say 'thanks, Brennan, you've found a documentation bug and we've fixed it', instead of flaming Brennan, and let the Hanbook reflect the situation with FreeBSD 2.x rather than 4.x. On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Once again I get flamed. > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > on the site. > > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the > upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. > > So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful > upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? > > Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new > instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact > remains, the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did > read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, > but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > The page also does not have modification date displayed anywhere. If it > had shown it had not been updated for 6 months I would be encourged to > join the list for more current information, but it did not. > > It has also been my experience that mailing lists are usually very busy > with information I do not need. In fact, half of the responses have been > insults and flames. > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > fortune: > Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > > only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > > letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > > related to that upgrade. > > > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > > foot. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug > > -- > > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- === Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow === === contact info: http://isabase.philol.msu.ru/~grg/ === To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 12:54: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC7837B787 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA36452 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:53:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: journaling fs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. The ufs has been great. I actually think it is more stable than what linux uses, but I would like to avoid the problems that I have with ufs. fsck is just so slow, especially when my drives tend to get so much larger than before. I have a new 30 gigger and running and fsck on that will take a long time. If it ever falls hard it will take forever to reboot. (forgive me if i do know everything. i just got here 24 years ago.) Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -- W. C. Fields To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13: 3:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C7F37B599 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA36565; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Grigoriy Strokin Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <20000403235305.A84845@isabase.philol.msu.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for getting that updated. I am sure it will help many people. As for improving documentation I may just make a bsd search site. I think I can configure htdig to search multiple sites and hope to point them to several bsd sites which carry articles and documentation. I know that would help me a great deal. I purchased the domain the other day, greasydaemon.com. The focus of the site is meant to be bsd hardware, but I can add the search page for bsd sites onto it. Perhaps I will post instructions on how to get htdig configured for anyone who hopes to create their own search page. I am not sure how much traffic my server can handle. (not millions a day) Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -- W. C. Fields On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Grigoriy Strokin wrote: > Here is my opninion. Although FreeBSD is a great system, its online > documentation is never up to date. Of course, it is the right > of FreeBSD developers to reply to any critic > "we are not payed for it, and we try to do our best in our scarce > time"... That's OK. > > However, I think that it would be more useful and constructive > to add a line "please don't miss /usr/src/UPDATING" to > makeworld.html and say > 'thanks, Brennan, you've found a documentation bug > and we've fixed it', instead of flaming Brennan, > and let the Hanbook reflect the situation > with FreeBSD 2.x rather than 4.x. > > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > Once again I get flamed. > > > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > > on the site. > > > > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > > to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the > > upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. > > > > So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful > > upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? > > > > Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new > > instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact > > remains, the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did > > read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, > > but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. > > > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > > > The page also does not have modification date displayed anywhere. If it > > had shown it had not been updated for 6 months I would be encourged to > > join the list for more current information, but it did not. > > > > It has also been my experience that mailing lists are usually very busy > > with information I do not need. In fact, half of the responses have been > > insults and flames. > > > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > > avoid the mailing lists. > > > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > > > fortune: > > Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. > > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > > > > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > > > only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > > > letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > > > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > > > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > > > related to that upgrade. > > > > > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > > > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > > > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > > > foot. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Doug > > > -- > > > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > > > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > > > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > === Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow === > === contact info: http://isabase.philol.msu.ru/~grg/ === > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:16:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4462F37B6D0 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02644; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Once again I get flamed. > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > on the site. And totally ignored the warnings you did see on the documentation you did find. > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > to offer warning. Because that's not the list for that type of subject matter. > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. Your logic is flawed. > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. Which will guarantee that you will have additional problems, and continue to point the finger of blame at others when viable solutions are available to you. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:22:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02E737B718 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02689; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Brad Knowles Cc: Brennan W Stehling , Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:54 AM -0700 2000/4/3, Doug Barton wrote: > > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > > foot. > > I know you don't want to hear this, but the reality of it is that > we really should be doing a better job of keeping the web pages > up-to-date with regards to things like this. Why would I not want to hear it? EVERYONE associated with the project knows that the documentation lags behind reality. In fact, not only have I complained out this fact publicly on several prior occasions, I have even *GASP* written documentation to cover holes in what exists. My DHCP and 2.2.8 -> 3.x version upgrade pages get hundreds of hits a month. I am working on a page that covers version upgrades in more detail, including information on how to do the 3.4 -> 4.0 upgrade. > In particular, when there is a major change coming and we know > that the necessary information is to be found in the appropriate > UPDATING file (or wherever), then we should change the web pages to > reflect the fact and point to the appropriate specific file. Then quit spending your time writing e-mails about the subject and spend that time creating patches and sending them to doc@freebsd.org. We can ALWAYS use actual help. Simply talking about what needs to be changed is a pointless waste of everyone's time. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:24:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7186D37B538; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA28837; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:23:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. In-Reply-To: <38E8C792.40EFE40B@intercom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Jason J. Horton wrote: > I have been getting some weird failures on buildworld these days. > On most servers, I cannot get a make -j 4 buildworld to go all the > way through, have to do make buildworld. Now on one server that > was cvsupped this weekend, with a make buildworld, it dies on > > cpp: /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c: Device not configured > *** Error code 1 > > ANyone have any idea whats going on? Could be filesystem corruption (possibly caused by bad hardware - you certainly should be able to make world -j4). Is there anything 'weird' about that file? Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:27:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C3437B7D1; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA29047; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Tobias Roth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Package creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Tobias Roth wrote: > How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that > one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find > it? Thats probably misleading..I don't know of any frontends apart from the ports system (make package). You could either build your package by creating a dummy port of some kind, or use pkg_create directly..it's fairly easy to use. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:30:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDFC37BB47; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA29502; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Doug@gorean.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: erroneous messages filtering ((no subject)) In-Reply-To: <200004020845.EAA39328@dufus.video-collage.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > The original poster is quite concerned about hundreds (or thousands) of > empty e-mails pushed into the lists' subscribers' mailboxes. Why should > hundreds of people demonstrate "non-lazyness" if the filter can be > installed in a single location -- sparing Internet bandwidth and > everybody's time? > > Judging by the silence of those, whose opinion actually matters, the > said filter is either in progress of being implemented, or will never > be. So I'm going to drop the subject... The only person who can implement such a thing is Jonathan Bresler (jmb), the FreeBSD postmaster. Talk to him directly instead of wasting your breath on a list where he doesnt subscribe. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:31: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7085437B7CE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05289; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:28 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: journaling fs Message-ID: <20000403132828.A28633@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:53:45PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:53:45PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I > have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. > > The ufs has been great. I actually think it is more stable than what > linux uses, but I would like to avoid the problems that I have with ufs. > > fsck is just so slow, especially when my drives tend to get so much larger > than before. I have a new 30 gigger and running and fsck on that will > take a long time. If it ever falls hard it will take forever to reboot. The long answer to this question is to read the archives, specificaly -hackers and -fs are good choices. The short answer, is that Kirk is working on back ground fsck for UFS. Journaling is only one solution to this problem. Most of the features you will typicaly see attributed to a JFS have nothing to do with journaling. What most people seem to want from a JFS is buzzword compliance. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:41:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A4737B787 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cCZP-000179-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:31:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:31:31 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: journaling fs Message-ID: <20000403203131.A4066@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Brennan W Stehling on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:53:45PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:53:45PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I > have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. I always thought it was possible to use ReiserFS under FreeBSD. Am I mistaken? (I could well be, since I haven't done much research into this.) Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:43:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038F337B7D1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA36802; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:41:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:41:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are a complete prick. Many people have agreed that there is a conflict in the documentation. I am not going to try to justify my actions for you. There is no point. You are an angry person and your comments are not constructive in any way. Other people have expressed their frustration that the documentation is sparse and that the UPDATING file which was empty for so long suddenly becomes a key component to the build process. If you cannot recognize that as a problem, you can piss off. I do not need to read the negative comments of a complete prick. Through my comments a few people have decided to put some effort into improving documentation and I am going to help in that effort. These efforts will result in a new site, greasydaemon.com. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Atlee is a very modest man. And with reason. -- Winston Churchill On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > Once again I get flamed. > > > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > > on the site. > > And totally ignored the warnings you did see on the documentation > you did find. > > > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > > to offer warning. > > Because that's not the list for that type of subject matter. > > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > Your logic is flawed. > > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > > avoid the mailing lists. > > Which will guarantee that you will have additional problems, and > continue to point the finger of blame at others when viable solutions are > available to you. > > Doug > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:55:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA96637B937; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA32165; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Alexander Frolkin Cc: Brennan W Stehling , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: <20000403203131.A4066@gamma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Alexander Frolkin wrote: > I always thought it was possible to use ReiserFS under FreeBSD. Am I > mistaken? (I could well be, since I haven't done much research into this.) Yes. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 13:59:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F14A37C27A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA99540; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004032055.QAA99540@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200004031939.PAA77614@rtfm.newton> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, Doug Barton Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Apr-00 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Doug Barton once stated: > > = The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your only > =source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > =letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable > =and/or -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you > =had done that, you would have seen ample discussion about the > =particular problems related to that upgrade. > > Soon, we'll read, that one needs to follow this mailing lists to even > use FreeBSD. This is wrong -- the original poster is not "tracking > -stable", by which I mean regular rebuilds. He merely wanted to go from > one release to another -- once. And did it the way he always did before, > after consulting the same information sources he consulted before. I think that in that situation you should probably still read -stable. However, the existence of UPDATING and its meaning wasn't communicated well to the mass population of -stable users. The main reason is that UPDATING is mainly useful for people running -current, as -current tends to have a lot more bumps in the road that have to be worked around. However, 3.x has also had an UPDATING file, albeit one that doesn't have much in it since -stable really wasn't the original intended target, so UPDATING wasn't completely hidden. During the 2.2.x -> 3.x upgrade, the only truly bonafide place to get the instructions was the -stable mailing list at first. Later on it worked its way out into various web pages, etc. I expect that we will see the same pattern here. The actual instructions for the upgrade path was mainly hashed out on -current and added to UPDATING, and then discussed on -stable. Now it is filtering out to web pages and other sites. Probably a note in the make world tutorial about make world not being useful for branch upgrades would help, however. If people knew that they needed to wait for different instructions for the branch upgrades, then people would (hopefully) wait for the finalized set of instructions to filter out of the mailing lists and into web sites and what not. Feel free to disagree with any of the above. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14: 0:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC0137BCE4 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02905; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > You are a complete prick. Ah, name calling. How constructive of you. > Many people have agreed that there is a > conflict in the documentation. There is no conflict. The documentation clearly says, "Read the mailing lists." You did not read the mailing lists. I have never disagreed that it would be nice to have more information on the page about _additional_ sources of information (like UPDATING), but you didn't follow the steps clearly prescribed for you, so we have no evidence that you would have read the UPDATING file if you _had_ been told it was important. In fact, you specifically stated that you did not want to read a whole bunch of readme files. > I am not going to try to justify my > actions for you. There is no point. A fact which I made explicit in my first post on this subject. There is no point in your trying to justify your actions. > Through my comments a few people have decided to put some effort into > improving documentation and I am going to help in that effort. > > These efforts will result in a new site, greasydaemon.com. As I said, the documentation project can always use fresh blood. I suggest you subscribe to doc@freebsd.org so you can get an idea of what's happening currently. Or, you can just use this whole pointless exercise to promote your web site. Either is fine with me, as long as you spend more time making constructive contributions instead of sending pointless e-mails to the list. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:10:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell13.ba.best.com (shell13.ba.best.com [206.184.139.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A73D37BB7E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rone@ennui.org) Received: (from rone@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id OAA13540 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: remorse code Message-Id: <200004032108.OAA13540@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <20000403235305.A84845@isabase.philol.msu.ru> from Grigoriy Strokin at "Apr 3, 0 11:53:05 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://ennui.org/rone/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Grigoriy Strokin writes: However, I think that it would be more useful and constructive to add a line "please don't miss /usr/src/UPDATING" to makeworld.html I don't know how feasible this would be, but could there be a .mk or /usr/src/Makefile knob that compares the OS version of the to-be-built source versus the current OS version, and spit out "WARNING: you are upgrading to a new OS version. Please read the following:", then spit out the contents of /usr/src/UPDATING? rone -- Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult full-time company employees. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:24:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kaon.intercom.com (kaon.intercom.com [198.143.3.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9B437B644; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from shagalicious.com ([206.98.165.250] helo=intercom.com) by kaon.intercom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cEL5-000IoS-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <38E90C22.EA79A99@intercom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:24:50 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Jason J. Horton wrote: > > > I have been getting some weird failures on buildworld these days. > > On most servers, I cannot get a make -j 4 buildworld to go all the > > way through, have to do make buildworld. Now on one server that > > was cvsupped this weekend, with a make buildworld, it dies on > > > > cpp: /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c: Device not configured > > *** Error code 1 > > > > ANyone have any idea whats going on? > > Could be filesystem corruption (possibly caused by bad hardware - you > certainly should be able to make world -j4). Is there anything 'weird' > about that file? Actually, a few files in that directory look odd: # ls -l /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ total 0 b--sr-srwt 1 544432488 1953064037 110, 0x74610069 Sep 4 2030 help.c br-xrw--wt 1 1700929644 1836016394 110, 0x69630075 Oct 22 2021 input.c c--xr--r-x 1 1919950949 1634887535 105, 0x6574006d Oct 22 2021 line.c br-xr-S-w- 1 543515745 1730178932 110, 0x74200049 Sep 9 2028 os.c b---r-S--T 1 1752440933 544368997 115, 0x20650065 Nov 29 2031 position.c c--xr--r-x 1 1836216166 1718558835 115, 0x61200074 Dec 4 2023 signal.c Trying to delete the files are a pain, need to specify no* to chflags. And every time I successfully delete a single file, the system reboots. Hopefully once they are all gone, I will have no more problems like this. As for buildworld on my other systems, I think I have found a solution. If I "make -j 4 buildworld" the compile will finish, but if I "make -j 4 installworld" I get errors. If I just do "make installworld" it goes through cleanly. -- -Jason J. Horton Fat Man in a Little Coat Intercom Online Inc. 212.376.7440 ext 21 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:26:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.188.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E035C37B5FD for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.4]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31688; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:26:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:26:00 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au To: remorse code Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004032108.OAA13540@shell13.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, remorse code wrote: > I don't know how feasible this would be, but could there be a .mk or > /usr/src/Makefile knob that compares the OS version of the to-be-built > source versus the current OS version, and spit out "WARNING: you are > upgrading to a new OS version. Please read the following:", then spit > out the contents of /usr/src/UPDATING? Not too bad an idea... but I have yet to figure out how you tell what version of FreeBSD code is in your src/ tree! The other suggestion I have is to rename UPDATING to UPGRADING. > > rone > -- > Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult > full-time company employees. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:31:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.clarkson.edu (mail.clarkson.edu [128.153.4.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02DA037BD0C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tuinstra@clarkson.edu) Received: (qmail 25195 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 2000 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from sc-1-252.sc.clarkson.edu (HELO clarkson.edu) (128.153.23.143) by mail.clarkson.edu with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 21:31:39 -0000 Message-ID: <38E9137E.CF9DBE1F@clarkson.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:56:14 -0400 From: Dwight Tuinstra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make world failed References: <200004032055.QAA99540@server.baldwin.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > [snip] > Probably a note in the make world tutorial about make world not being useful > for branch upgrades would help, however. If people knew that they needed to > wait for different instructions for the branch upgrades, then people would > (hopefully) wait for the finalized set of instructions to filter out of the > mailing lists and into web sites and what not. One way to ensure that people consulted appropriate documentation (or even just the appropriate caveats) is the simple expedient of having the Makefile print a message. Anyone trying to do "make world" upgrade receives a warning, and a pointer to where to look. There are precedents for this: when rebuilding the kernel, one is reminded to do a "make depend". A number of ports (notably the crypto stuff) even require you to define a variable before they'll compile (though that would be a little too much for this situation). I'm not saying this should be done for everything, but it does make sense for builds with potentially severe consequences if done wrong. BTW, John, thanks for trying to bring some civility and reason back to this thread. --Dwight Tuinstra tuinNOSPAMstra@clarkson.edu tuinNOSPAMstra@northnet.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:33:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525C837B760 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id OAA17492; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id OAA15951; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:31:55 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id RAA20674; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14569.3599.275661.875138@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:33:03 -0700 (MST) To: Andy Farkas Cc: remorse code , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: References: <200004032108.OAA13540@shell13.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Tuesday, April 4, Andy Farkas wrote: ] > > Not too bad an idea... but I have yet to figure out how you tell what > version of FreeBSD code is in your src/ tree! > would /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh do the trick? This gets run during the compile of a kernel. Seems like a grep or two here and there could give you the info you needed. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F0C37B5FF; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA37164; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:42:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:42:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Andy Farkas Cc: remorse code , nik@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about having an UPDATING and an UPGRADING file? One could explain a simple upgrade of a similar branch while the upgrade file will explain how to go from 3.x to 4.0 and above. That would make it clear that there is a different method for the two situations. I would also like to see a VERSION file which could detail what version the source tree is and information about that version... url's to the release and errata pages and whatnot. I have copied this email to Nik Clayton, the person listed as documentation project manager... http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff-who.html If anyone has suggestions for documenation, perhaps it should copied to Nick Clayton so he can take some action. And if anyone would like to assist in creating the documentation.. he's the man to contact as well. I would like to help, but it seems like too much work. In order to get fully involved I would have to join the doc mailing list and then find a role to fill. I am currenlty keeping up with the daemonnews.org core mailing list where I am helping with the development of that site. If you are not contributing to the bsd community, perhaps you can offer your assistance here. I have not been contributing until recently because I felt I needed to learn so much before anything I do would be useful. Now I have reached a certain level of understanding and am starting to contribute more and more. Perhaps you could spare an hour or two a week to update or create some documentation. I am sure it will be appreciated. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: I have more humility in my little finger than you have in your whole ____BODY! -- from "Cerebus" #82 On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Andy Farkas wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, remorse code wrote: > > > I don't know how feasible this would be, but could there be a .mk or > > /usr/src/Makefile knob that compares the OS version of the to-be-built > > source versus the current OS version, and spit out "WARNING: you are > > upgrading to a new OS version. Please read the following:", then spit > > out the contents of /usr/src/UPDATING? > > Not too bad an idea... but I have yet to figure out how you tell what > version of FreeBSD code is in your src/ tree! > > The other suggestion I have is to rename UPDATING to UPGRADING. > > > > > rone > > -- > > Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult > > full-time company employees. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > :{ andyf@speednet.com.au > > Andy Farkas > System Administrator > Speednet Communications > http://www.speednet.com.au/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:44:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.188.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B237B869 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.4]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31749; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:40:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:40:45 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au To: John Reynolds~ Cc: remorse code , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <14569.3599.275661.875138@hip186.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, John Reynolds~ wrote: > would > > /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh > > do the trick? This gets run during the compile of a kernel. Seems like a grep > or two here and there could give you the info you needed. Thanks! $ grep -B 8 ^VERSION /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:55:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C9937B5C3 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA99601; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004032155.RAA99601@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38E912EA.14CD5F08@clarkson.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Dwight Tuinstra Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Apr-00 Dwight Tuinstra wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> [snip] >> Probably a note in the make world tutorial about make world not being useful >> for branch upgrades would help, however. If people knew that they needed to >> wait for different instructions for the branch upgrades, then people would >> (hopefully) wait for the finalized set of instructions to filter out of the >> mailing lists and into web sites and what not. > > One way to ensure that people consulted appropriate documentation > (or even just the appropriate caveats) is the simple expedient > of having the Makefile print a message. Anyone trying to do > "make world" upgrade receives a warning, and a pointer to where > to look. There are precedents for this: when rebuilding the > kernel, one is reminded to do a "make depend". A number of > ports (notably the crypto stuff) even require you to define > a variable before they'll compile (though that would be a little > too much for this situation). You could probably do this with a uname -r check. It does get a bit trickier though. For example, in the 3.x -> 4.0 upgrade, you still do a make world sort of, at least you do buildworld and installworld, so then you'd have to somehow be able to differentiate between then the buildworld is ok and when it is not. You could probably wrap this in an upgrade target that sets a variable or some such. Then we could continue the "tradition" of the 2.2.x -> 3.x upgrade of using 'make upgrade', which would certainly help with POLA. > I'm not saying this should be done for everything, but it does > make sense for builds with potentially severe consequences if > done wrong. I'll see what I can come up with and try to get it into the tree. > BTW, John, thanks for trying to bring some civility and reason > back to this thread. Heh, just trying to defuse it a little. I much prefer to see happy users than unhappy ones. :) > --Dwight Tuinstra > tuinNOSPAMstra@clarkson.edu > tuinNOSPAMstra@northnet.org -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 14:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D94537B68C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA99605; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004032155.RAA99605@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14569.3599.275661.875138@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: John Reynolds~ Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, remorse code , Andy Farkas Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Apr-00 John Reynolds~ wrote: > > [ On Tuesday, April 4, Andy Farkas wrote: ] >> >> Not too bad an idea... but I have yet to figure out how you tell what >> version of FreeBSD code is in your src/ tree! >> > > would > > /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh > > do the trick? This gets run during the compile of a kernel. Seems like a grep > or two here and there could give you the info you needed. No need, the source already knows what version it is. You can just modify the version it checks against in /usr/src/Makefile.inc based on the branch. For example, -current would check for uname -r < 5, and releng_4 would check for uname -r < 4, etc. > -Jr -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:13: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92E137B6F5 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA89777; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA64138; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:12:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004032212.QAA64138@harmony.village.org> To: James Housley Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:14:41 EDT." <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> References: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:12:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> James Housley writes: : # start up PC-card configuration : if [ -f /etc/rc.pccard ]; then : . /etc/rc.pccard : fi : + : +echo 'sleeping' ; sleep 30 pccardd_flags="-z" would be better. But I thought that this was done already. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:19:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADD337C10B; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA40658; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. In-Reply-To: <38E90C22.EA79A99@intercom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Jason J. Horton wrote: > Actually, a few files in that directory look odd: > # ls -l /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ > total 0 > b--sr-srwt 1 544432488 1953064037 110, 0x74610069 Sep 4 2030 > help.c > br-xrw--wt 1 1700929644 1836016394 110, 0x69630075 Oct 22 2021 > input.c > c--xr--r-x 1 1919950949 1634887535 105, 0x6574006d Oct 22 2021 > line.c > br-xr-S-w- 1 543515745 1730178932 110, 0x74200049 Sep 9 2028 > os.c > b---r-S--T 1 1752440933 544368997 115, 0x20650065 Nov 29 2031 > position.c > c--xr--r-x 1 1836216166 1718558835 115, 0x61200074 Dec 4 2023 > signal.c > > Trying to delete the files are a pain, need to specify no* to chflags. You can just 'chflags 0' to remove all flags, nothing in the source tree has flags set by default. > And every time I successfully delete a single file, the system reboots. > Hopefully once they are all gone, I will have no more problems like > this. Only if the underlying cause was a once-off event. You may have hardware problems which caused the filesystem corruption. > As for buildworld on my other systems, I think I have found a solution. > If I "make -j 4 buildworld" the compile will finish, but if I > "make -j 4 installworld" I get errors. If I just do "make installworld" > it goes through cleanly. There's no real advantage to doing a parallel installworld anyway.. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:27:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (spook.networkoperations.com [209.42.203.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A4AE37B885 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 39961 invoked by uid 100); 3 Apr 2000 22:26:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:26:53 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Message-ID: <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net> References: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> <200004032212.QAA64138@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4f28nU6agdXSinmL" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004032212.QAA64138@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:12:18PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --4f28nU6agdXSinmL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of the ether, Warner Losh spewed forth the following bitstream: > In message <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> James Housley writes: > : # start up PC-card configuration > : if [ -f /etc/rc.pccard ]; then > : . /etc/rc.pccard > : fi > : + > : +echo 'sleeping' ; sleep 30 >=20 > pccardd_flags=3D"-z" >=20 > would be better. But I thought that this was done already. Well, I tried this (as opposed to my modification to /etc/pccard.conf) and it caused named to completely fall apart. I'll delve into this further, but for now, it seems that the '-z' causes other odd problems. 8) AlanC --=20 Alan B. Clegg abc@bsdi.com Member of Technical Staff http://www.bsdi.com Berkeley Software Design, Inc. 1-800-800-4BSD --4f28nU6agdXSinmL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: laVDQTWUgh22ZR60hErg57BwDrJygjdg iQA/AwUBOOkarfcyv/gweBpYEQLU4QCgpt9d/nxzj06JTQ3JalqB6a5gZAIAoPvE RPF+kIDJvXp8bREq2Fhmgh/2 =FAOD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4f28nU6agdXSinmL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:31:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3752F37BF79 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.25.18] (dialup530.brussels2.skynet.be [195.238.25.18]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F92183E2; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:30:21 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:02:49 +0200 To: Brennan W Stehling , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: journaling fs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:53 PM -0500 2000/4/3, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I > have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. I would be much more interested in seeing the SGI xfs stuff get imported into FreeBSD. IIRC, it is a log-structured journaling extent-based filesystem with fast directory searching via btrees, and with the exception of softupdates-like code, I think it's one of the best filesystems available. It would be *way* cool if this stuff got imported. > fsck is just so slow, especially when my drives tend to get so much larger > than before. I have a new 30 gigger and running and fsck on that will > take a long time. If it ever falls hard it will take forever to reboot. It depends on your particular application, but if you're dealing with a small number of large files on your filesystem, you can adjust the inode ratio so that fsck happens in a *much* shorter period of time. IIRC, Joe Greco has a monster USENET news spool (binaries) server with nine filesystems each about 200GB in size, and the machine takes less than a minute to go from power-on to being fully operational in multi-user mode -- including all the necessary fsck passes, etc.... The key thing he did to make fsck run so fast on these filesystems is to adjust them so that they are tuned for an average file size of about 2MB. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:31:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7024337B89E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.25.18] (dialup530.brussels2.skynet.be [195.238.25.18]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F931851D; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:30:31 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:05:01 +0200 To: Brennan W Stehling , Grigoriy Strokin From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:03 PM -0500 2000/4/3, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > As for improving documentation I may just make a bsd search site. I think > I can configure htdig to search multiple sites and hope to point them to > several bsd sites which carry articles and documentation. I know that > would help me a great deal. Well, FreeBSD already has a search page. See . If you're going to be building a separate BSD search site, you need to understand what is available on this page and what added value you would be able to bring. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:32:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9005637BBBB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.25.18] (dialup530.brussels2.skynet.be [195.238.25.18]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9784718242; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:30:46 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:06:58 +0200 To: Doug Barton From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Brennan W Stehling , Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:19 PM -0700 2000/4/3, Doug Barton wrote: > Simply talking about what needs to be changed > is a pointless waste of everyone's time. I know you're irritated, and that's why I'm not going to read too much into this message. However, it is also a waste of time to flame people for pointing out a weakness in the documentation that others overlooked or were not aware of when they first started responding to the message that kicked off this thread. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:34:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8370E37B89E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA89843; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA64268; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004032233.QAA64268@harmony.village.org> To: Andy Farkas Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: remorse code , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:26:00 +1000." References: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:33:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Andy Farkas writes: : The other suggestion I have is to rename UPDATING to UPGRADING. Find someone else to do that. I won't. Geeze, a guy tries to put all the arcania into one place and he gets flamed, directly and indirectly, for the efforts. It makes me want to never UPDATING ever again and making people can just cope with that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:35:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D915837C01F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA89852; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA64287; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004032234.QAA64287@harmony.village.org> To: Alan Clegg Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:26:53 EDT." <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net> References: <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net> <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> <200004032212.QAA64138@harmony.village.org> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:34:28 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net> Alan Clegg writes: : Well, I tried this (as opposed to my modification to /etc/pccard.conf) and : it caused named to completely fall apart. I'll delve into this further, : but for now, it seems that the '-z' causes other odd problems. 8) I've been using it for a long time now w/o any problems... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:47:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9906337B5FB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-69.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.69]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23553 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:47:09 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: Subject: Attachments request Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:46:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF9D7B.565DF680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF9D7B.565DF680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0023_01BF9D7B.565DF680" ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01BF9D7B.565DF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to = post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff = through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are = very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting = rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very = carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as = this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus = introduced from an attachment to list mail. David ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01BF9D7B.565DF680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glacier
I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post = without=20 using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff through a virus = checker=20 when reading a mail list - so unless there are very good reasons for not = doing=20 so I delete such mail list posting rather than read them. I would = recomend that=20 everyone thinks very carefully before opening attachments on mail lists = - even=20 one such as this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others..
 
My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus=20 introduced from an attachment to list mail.

David

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Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.201.225] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12cFdL-0003eD-00; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:47:48 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01753; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:47:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:47:11 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000403234711.A233@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:41:22PM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:41:22PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > You are a complete prick. Whoa there. You are bang out of order here my friend. You may have a difference of opinion with one or more others on the list, but descending to personal abuse is unacceptable so please refrain from such behaviour. > Many people have agreed that there is a > conflict in the documentation. I am not going to try to justify my > actions for you. There is no point. > > You are an angry person and your comments are not constructive in any way. > Other people have expressed their frustration that the documentation is > sparse and that the UPDATING file which was empty for so long suddenly > becomes a key component to the build process. > Which UPDATING? The one in 3.x will probably be empty, the one in 4.x most certainly isn't. The one on my machine, last cvsup'd about a week ago, contains entries going back to 19981118. > If you cannot recognize that as a problem, you can piss off. I do not > need to read the negative comments of a complete prick. > See above. > Through my comments a few people have decided to put some effort into > improving documentation and I am going to help in that effort. > > These efforts will result in a new site, greasydaemon.com. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > fortune: > Atlee is a very modest man. And with reason. > -- Winston Churchill > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > Once again I get flamed. > > > > > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > > > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > > > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > > > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > > > on the site. > > > > And totally ignored the warnings you did see on the documentation > > you did find. > > > > > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > > > to offer warning. > > > > Because that's not the list for that type of subject matter. > > > > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > > > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > > > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > > > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > > > Your logic is flawed. > > > > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > > > avoid the mailing lists. > > > > Which will guarantee that you will have additional problems, and > > continue to point the finger of blame at others when viable solutions are > > available to you. > > > > Doug > > -- > > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2347037B877 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 1432 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2000 22:51:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 22:51:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: still having problems with ad driver. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I cvsupped once again to 4.0-stable as of today, and unfortunately still have the lovely problem of the following: ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0ata0-slave: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status=59 error=04 ad1: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode ad1: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0 This disk works fine under the wd driver, though that's not a real solution I suppose. I'm not sure what information to provide on this as this sort of thing is most likely far beyond my understanding, ad0 though is working happily and fine, here's what's reported in the bootup: ad0: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 1549MB [3148/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using WDMA2 If you need any information that would be helpful, please let me know. Thank you once again. (PS: I thought this was fixed in 4.0-R?) Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE46SB3dMMtMcA1U5ARAjNUAKDMVwmShGfxUkvCKMPf7/HirGd0mACcD0Fr FITOMVywjTu75J2HYUIIfN4= =8T0g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:54:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from weeble.dyndns.org (ubppp233-19.dialin.buffalo.edu [128.205.233.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621C637B63F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) Received: from shithead (shithead.weeble.dyndns.org [10.0.0.2]) by weeble.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA80065 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) From: "C J Michaels" To: Subject: RE: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Again, not one to reply to my own postings, but the 4/2 commits for umass.c and the like corrected this problem. I don't know if it was coincidental or a direct result of my posting, but either way, thank you. -- Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Christopher J. Michaels Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 4:05 PM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Running 4.0-STABLE cvsupped at 12:00am EST. Gigabyte GA-7XI w/ Athlon 600 proc. I get the following panic on bootup when the umass driver is compiled into the kernel. It panic's at the point where the root file system would usually be mounted. (This is hand typed since it's not getting far enough to generate a dump): Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x70 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc0145350 stack pointer = 0x10:0xc025f680 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc025f6a8 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net tty bio cam kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at tsleep+0x54: cmpl $0,0x70(%ebx) I did compile with -G and also options DDB, but I haven't the slightest idea what to do at th db> prompt that would be useful. I'd like to submit a PR on this but this doesn't feel like enough info, does anyone have any pointers or is this enough information. I am attaching the DMESG and kernel config of successful boot of the same kernel with umass commented out. Thanks for any help -- Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:55: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D3C37B619 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id WAA00330 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:56:36 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA25634 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:53:34 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id SAA23963; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14569.8498.388363.581558@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:54:42 -0700 (MST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> References: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to = > post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff = > through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are = > very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting = > rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very = > carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as = > this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. > > My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus = > introduced from an attachment to list mail. We promise to not "attach" things sent to this mailing list, if you promise to send "plain text" mail from Outlook (rather than HTML ... ). :) -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:56:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.188.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF4237B516 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.4]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31943; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:56:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:56:41 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@backup.af.speednet.com.au To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004032233.QAA64268@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > : The other suggestion I have is to rename UPDATING to UPGRADING. > > Find someone else to do that. I won't. > > Geeze, a guy tries to put all the arcania into one place and he gets > flamed, directly and indirectly, for the efforts. It makes me want to > never UPDATING ever again and making people can just cope with that. Whether you think I flamed[1] you directly or indirectly doesn't matter. It was a suggestion; opinions are welcome, yours more so. The idea was to more clearly convey the fact that this file is related to upgrading your system and should be read, even though you should at least glance into all the files in src/[A-Z]* Perhaps if we put some giant ascii lettering in there... :) :) > > Warner > > [1] This is the first time anybody has accused me of this! I knew I should not have jumped into this thread... -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 15:58:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFB637B619 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA89929; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA64503; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004032258.QAA64503@harmony.village.org> To: Andy Farkas Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:56:41 +1000." References: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:58:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Andy Farkas writes: : Whether you think I flamed[1] you directly or indirectly doesn't matter. I just picked your message to lash out at. The whole thing is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth, so this will be my last post on the subject for a while. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16: 4: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (grace.speakeasy.org [216.254.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DC037B869 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjoseph@speakeasy.org) Received: from 11-112.009.popsite.net (11-112.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.112]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e33N2Zg16105; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:02:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: R Joseph Wright X-Sender: rjoseph@mammalia.sea To: Doug Barton Cc: Brennan W Stehling , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > Your logic is flawed. Sorry to jump in in the middle of this thread, but I must agree with Brennan that FreeBSD's online documentation is woefully incomplete. A person upgrading from 3.x to 4.0-release shouldn't have to subscribe to a mailing list. Let me use www.perl.apache.org as an example. You will not find more complete and detailed documentation anywhere. There is more information on how to use mod_perl with apache on that site than there is information for the entire FreeBSD operating system anywhere 8(. I'd like to see the FreeBSD handbook achieve that level of quality and detail. At that point, I think the flames people get for not reading the docs would make more sense. I'd be glad to help in this area, as I'm a very good writer. Can someone point me in the right direction? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16: 5: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frog.nutt.net.au (frog.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC23C37B619 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jarrod@nutt.net.au) Received: from wallace.i.nutt.net.au (utopia.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.50]) by frog.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07262; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:34:57 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (jarrod@localhost) by wallace.i.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03047; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:35:25 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:35:25 +0930 (CST) From: Jarrod X-Sender: jarrod@wallace.i.nutt.net.au To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Southwell wrote: > BODY { COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; > MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; MARGIN-TOP: 20px } I wonder whether those who post > to this list would consider to post without using attachments. > [ Part 2, Image/JPEG 3.7KB. ] > [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ] I wont if you wont, but you first. And how about setting your mailer to send text, not HTML. -Jarrod -- Jarrod Sayers (jarrod@nutt.net.au) "It's not panic, it's a full-blown hysterical fit!" (Rimmer, Red Dwarf - Rimmerworld) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16: 6:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E737B835 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26732; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:34:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:34:13 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brad Knowles Cc: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000403233413.A23412@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:26:27PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:26:27PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:54 AM -0700 2000/4/3, Doug Barton wrote: > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > > foot. > > I know you don't want to hear this, but the reality of it is that > we really should be doing a better job of keeping the web pages > up-to-date with regards to things like this. It's not so much that we don't want to hear it, more that we'd rather hear This page isn't quite right. Please review this patch, which adds all the necessary information, and then commit it. If you do that two or three times, preferably as PRs, and your patches apply cleanly each time, and are accurate, I'll be banging on -core's door to get you added as a committer very shortly afterwards. Seriously folks, this is one of the simplest ways to get one of those coveted @FreeBSD.org e-mail addresses. Just write good quality documentation, or submit updates to the existing documentation, and keep submitting it. 13 of the 55 or so committers added over the past 14 months or so have been Documentation Project committers. > In particular, when there is a major change coming and we know > that the necessary information is to be found in the appropriate > UPDATING file (or wherever), then we should change the web pages to > reflect the fact and point to the appropriate specific file. Patch patch patch. . . I'm about to commit a change to the Handbook which tells the user to read the UPDATING file first. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:13:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from student-mailhub.dcu.ie (ns.dcu.ie [136.206.1.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95337B9E2 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (postfix@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie [136.206.15.5]) by student-mailhub.dcu.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-FD) with ESMTP id AAA07550 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:13:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2034) id 3A2C57C11; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:11:30 +0100 (IST) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:11:30 +0000 From: David Murphy To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug@gorean.org on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 01:57:52PM -0700 X-no-archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting by Doug Barton : > As I said, the documentation project can always use fresh > blood. I suggest you subscribe to doc@freebsd.org so you can get an > idea of what's happening currently. Or, you can just use this whole > pointless exercise to promote your web site. Either is fine with me, > as long as you spend more time making constructive contributions > instead of sending pointless e-mails to the list. I've been on the receiving end of a previous iteration of this flamewar, and I don't personally see that your position is any more constructive. At the end of the day, if someone wants to write documentation, they will. If they don't, they won't. In your model, the person who needs documentation is assigned the task of writing documentation. There seem to be two widely held opinions on this list, and I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that they are held by the majority of FreeBSD developers: 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation rests with the user. 2) If the user finds the available documentation insufficient, the responsibility for creating sufficient documentation rests with the user. It seems to me that the difference between users and developers is that developers generally find the above opinions reasonable, users generally do not. There are, broadly speaking, two classes of users of any software system: those who use the system, find problems with the system, and fix those problems; and those who use the system, find problems with the system, and report those problems. I think of the former group of people as "developers", and I call the latter group of people "users". The bottom line seems to be that, while developers are greatly desired, users are tolerated, to the extent that they don't get in the way of development. This makes FreeBSD an excellent choice of system for developers. It makes it a poor choice of system for users. This, in and of itself, is no problem if you are interested in creating and using a system by developers, for developers. Good for you, and much success. Just don't promote it to users. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:14:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D79137B860 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.152] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id fa689421 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:13:54 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:09:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040320132400.10876@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 03 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Thanks for getting that updated. I am sure it will help many people. > > As for improving documentation I may just make a bsd search site. I think > I can configure htdig to search multiple sites and hope to point them to > several bsd sites which carry articles and documentation. I know that > would help me a great deal. > > I purchased the domain the other day, greasydaemon.com. The focus of the > site is meant to be bsd hardware, but I can add the search page for bsd > sites onto it. Perhaps I will post instructions on how to get htdig > configured for anyone who hopes to create their own search page. I am not > sure how much traffic my server can handle. (not millions a day) > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com I for one would appreciate that information. I was not even aware of htdig, but am now in the process of installing it. Sorry about all the flames you've been getting. These lists do seem to be a bit more hostile lately, not sure what the reason might be. I've been prompted to respond to a few of those idiots about their behavior. I see no reason for it. One should either provide help, or keep his/her mouth shut. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:30:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55B7937B559 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.152] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id wa689724 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:30:29 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: Brennan W Stehling , Andy Farkas Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:24:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: remorse code , nik@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040320303501.10876@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 03 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > How about having an UPDATING and an UPGRADING file? > > One could explain a simple upgrade of a similar branch while the upgrade > file will explain how to go from 3.x to 4.0 and above. That would make it > clear that there is a different method for the two situations. > > I would also like to see a VERSION file which could detail what version > the source tree is and information about that version... url's to the > release and errata pages and whatnot. > > I have copied this email to Nik Clayton, the person listed as > documentation project manager... > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff-who.html > > If anyone has suggestions for documenation, perhaps it should copied to > Nick Clayton so he can take some action. And if anyone would like to > assist in creating the documentation.. he's the man to contact as well. > > I would like to help, but it seems like too much work. In order to get > fully involved I would have to join the doc mailing list and then find a > role to fill. I am currenlty keeping up with the daemonnews.org core > mailing list where I am helping with the development of that site. > > If you are not contributing to the bsd community, perhaps you can offer > your assistance here. I have not been contributing until recently because > I felt I needed to learn so much before anything I do would be useful. > Now I have reached a certain level of understanding and am starting to > contribute more and more. > > Perhaps you could spare an hour or two a week to update or create some > documentation. I am sure it will be appreciated. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > It's nice to see most of you handling this issue as a constructive challenge to help us users, rather than as an opportunity to get their jollies by trying to humiliate someone. To me the former is the true purpose of these lists, not the latter. Do any of you think that maybe the word "flame" might be a bit out of date? We might replace it with something like "Hey, he's just asking for some help! Don't Barton him for it!". -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:31:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3F337B768 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cFPJ-00023p-00; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:33:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:33:17 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: Alan Clegg Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0-Stable and PCMCIA Networking Message-ID: <20000403233317.A7649@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <38E89941.9277B32@thehousleys.net> <200004032212.QAA64138@harmony.village.org> <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <20000403182653.F38976@laptop.firehouse.net>; from Alan Clegg on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:26:53PM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:26:53PM -0400, Alan Clegg wrote: > Out of the ether, Warner Losh spewed forth the following bitstream: > > pccardd_flags="-z" > Well, I tried this (as opposed to my modification to /etc/pccard.conf) and > it caused named to completely fall apart. I'll delve into this further, > but for now, it seems that the '-z' causes other odd problems. 8) It works fine for me, and I am also running named. Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:34:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from waltz.rahul.net (waltz.rahul.net [192.160.13.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1748637B58E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:34:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from localhost.rahul.net (localhost.rahul.net [127.0.0.1]) by waltz.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C01E99E3F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: do acregmin, acregmax, acdirmin, acdirmax work as documented Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:34:20 -0700 From: Rahul Dhesi Message-Id: <20000403233421.1C01E99E3F@waltz.rahul.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a filesystem NFS-exported by a FreeBSD 2.2.8 machine and NFS-mounted on a 3.4-STABLE machine with these attributes: rw,bg,nosuid,intr,acregmin=0,acregmax=0,acdirmin=0,acdirmax=0 According to the man page for nfs_mount, this would cause attributes for files and directories to be cached for 0 seconds, i.e., not cached at all. But the behavior I observe seems to indicate some amount of caching. Would some knowledgeable person confirm or deny that these options work as documented? Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:36:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.jeah.net (shell.jeah.net [216.114.10.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A173937B6F4; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by shell.jeah.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA70079; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:35:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:35:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Walter Brameld Cc: Brennan W Stehling , Andy Farkas , remorse code , nik@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <00040320303501.10876@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Do any of you think that maybe the word "flame" might be a bit out of > date? We might replace it with something like "Hey, he's just asking > for some help! Don't Barton him for it!". Hey uh, I like making fun of Studded as much as the next person, and I'll admit I've thoroughly enjoyed all these e-mails that are so totally related to -stable, but is it possible to end the back and forth bickering? That'd be cool. -- Chris Byrnes, Owner Jeah Communications - www.jeah.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:47:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (mail2.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A2337B568 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000403234709.NSQY13994.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:47:09 -0700 Content-Length: 1844 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Barton Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I normally wouldn't get involved in this kind of sillyness, but this strikes me as more miscommunication (on both sides) than anything else. The people who have responded, when suggesting the mailing list, were (giving them the benefit of the doubt) suggesting a quick search using such keywords as "upgrade" and "problem" against the stable list. I did just that and it took about 2 minutes to find more than 2 references to the differences between going from 3.x to 3.x+1 and going from 3.x to 4.0. Unfortunately, Brennan seems to have understood (again giving the benefit of the doubt) that people were suggesting he should have been following the list for some time before attempting the upgrade. That would have been nice, but as was suggested, not necessarily possible. I think it's also important to ensure that,if the standard upgrade documents aren't going to spell out the various upgrade paths (and I honestly see no reason they should) there should be mention not only of tracking the stable mailing list, but also searching it (and maybe hackers if it's a major change such as we've just done) for possible pitfalls and problems. The fact that such advice is repeated commonly in the mailing lists should be an indication to put these kind of things in the FAQ. Finally, I'm always a little dismayed to see these misunderstandings degenerate into near flame-fests. I really enjoy using FreeBSD and I find, on average, the information in the lists I track to be worth the effort. Unfortunately, these excursions reflect badly on the FreeBSD community. I don't think it's too hard to look at a response before you send it and, if it's not the kind of message you'd like to see addressed to you, really think about the value in sending it (with not sending it having the most value IMHO). cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:47:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C23737B512; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA37855; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:46:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:46:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Chris Byrnes Cc: Walter Brameld , Andy Farkas , remorse code , nik@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, thread over... It is time to put in the Propellerheads and chill with a some good tunes. Some people need to chill out a bit and have a coke and rum. Everybody up not the tables, let's dance! :) Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: God must love the Common Man; He made so many of them. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > Do any of you think that maybe the word "flame" might be a bit out of > > date? We might replace it with something like "Hey, he's just asking > > for some help! Don't Barton him for it!". > > Hey uh, I like making fun of Studded as much as the next person, and I'll > admit I've thoroughly enjoyed all these e-mails that are so totally > related to -stable, but is it possible to end the back and forth > bickering? > > That'd be cool. > > -- > Chris Byrnes, Owner > Jeah Communications - www.jeah.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17: 2:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A081137B7B8 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-209-214-41-162.cha.bellsouth.net [209.214.41.162]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id UAA16620 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll second that EMOTION! On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Yes, thread over... > > It is time to put in the Propellerheads and chill with a some good tunes. > Some people need to chill out a bit and have a coke and rum. > > Everybody up not the tables, let's dance! > > :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:10:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A926637B6BC for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AEADB1C4D; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:10:27 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000403201027.U23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. Isn't this what screwed you over in the first place? -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 PS. The online documentation also tells you to read the mailing lists. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:23:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E312737B545 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.194] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id qa690914 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:23:22 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:19:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000403201027.U23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> In-Reply-To: <20000403201027.U23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040321233207.10876@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 03 Apr 2000, you wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > > avoid the mailing lists. > > Isn't this what screwed you over in the first place? > > -- > Bill Fumerola - Network Architect > Computer Horizons Corp - CVM > e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org > Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 > > > PS. The online documentation also tells you to read the mailing lists. Yeah. Unfortunately for me, the information didn't surface on the mailing list until AFTER I trashed 3.4. I think his whole point was, why make something that was so extremely important so damned difficult to find? -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:29:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8DF37B669 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15522; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Tobias Roth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Package creation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:54 +0200." Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:30:38 -0700 Message-ID: <15519.954808238@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that > one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find > it? "One should use one as soon as someone writes such a thing" is probably what the man page should actually say. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:37:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BC737B597 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA41110; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:29:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:29:12 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Grigoriy Strokin , Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404012912.A40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000403235305.A84845@isabase.philol.msu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Brennan W Stehling on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:03:33PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:03:33PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > As for improving documentation I may just make a bsd search site. http://www.google.com/bsd N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:38:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4FA37B68E; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA41664; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:33:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:33:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: Andy Farkas , remorse code , nik@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Brennan W Stehling on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:42:34PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:42:34PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > How about having an UPDATING and an UPGRADING file? Lack of people to update them. Then people complain when they get out of sync. If you (or anyone else reading this) wants to step forward and maintain either of these files, please yell now. For example, /usr/src/UPDATING is currently empty in 3-stable because no one's volunteered to maintain it. > One could explain a simple upgrade of a similar branch while the upgrade > file will explain how to go from 3.x to 4.0 and above. That would make it > clear that there is a different method for the two situations. There isn't really a different method. % cd /usr/src % make world However, at certain times, in *both* trees, you might need to jump through more hoops than that. The hoops differ depending on where you're coming from, and where you're going to. UPDATING aims to list all those hoops (and this is dynamic information, which makes it less suitable for the Handbook). > If anyone has suggestions for documenation, perhaps it should copied to > Nick Clayton so he can take some action. And if anyone would like to > assist in creating the documentation.. he's the man to contact as well. Suggestions should always be sent to the doc@freebsd.org mailing list as well. If I can't field them, there are people there who can -- some of them seem to do little except commit patches that other people send in, and that's one of the most valuable, and thankless, roles there is. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:40:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8920437B74A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000404004006.ONSB22000.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:40:06 -0700 Content-Length: 753 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: "Donald R. Tyson" Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Had you booted the Win side first, then the FreeBSD side, you would have seen FreeBSD trying to move the clock ahead "2" hours. It knows it hasn't moved the time ahead yet so it adds 1 hour to the current BIOS time, which had already been moved ahead by the previous OS boot. You'll see this behaviour on any dual boot system. On 03-Apr-00 Donald R. Tyson wrote: > [cc: deleted] > > As a moderately humorous aside, when I booted the Windows > side of my home machine on Sunday afternoon, it proudly > informed me that it had adjusted for the time change, and > then displayed a **2-hour** leap ahead. > > At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by > several on this list, managed to get the time right. > cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:55:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391F937B5E1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA43817; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:49:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:49:14 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: R Joseph Wright Cc: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404014914.A42566@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from R Joseph Wright on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:55:59PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 03:55:59PM -0700, R Joseph Wright wrote: > Sorry to jump in in the middle of this thread, but I must agree with > Brennan that FreeBSD's online documentation is woefully incomplete. A > person upgrading from 3.x to 4.0-release shouldn't have to subscribe to a > mailing list. Indeed, and they don't. You could download 4.0 and install it over your existing 3.0 installation, or use /stand/sysinstall's "Upgrade" option. It only becomes tricky when you want to upgrade using "make world". Trying to bootstrap one system from another is a *hard* problem. You should not expect to be able to do it by reading three lines and running one command. > I'd like to see the FreeBSD handbook achieve that level of quality and > detail. At that point, I think the flames people get for not reading the > docs would make more sense. > > I'd be glad to help in this area, as I'm a very good writer. Can someone > point me in the right direction? docs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/ N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 17:56:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA9137B63F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA41886; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:54:06 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:54:06 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: R Joseph Wright Cc: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd be glad to help in this area, as I'm a very good writer. Can someone ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gotta love the modesty... ;) I wouldn't mind getting more involved in this project as well (as time permits). Maybe we should continue this type of discussion on -doc? Cheers, Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 18: 4:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5466837B5AB; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA10609; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:04:05 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda10607; Mon Apr 3 18:04:00 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA70522; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdM70520; Mon Apr 3 18:03:28 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA60860; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004040103.SAA60860@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdx60846; Mon Apr 3 18:03:19 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Alexander Frolkin , Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: journaling fs In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:53:33 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:03:19 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Kri s Kennaway writes: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Alexander Frolkin wrote: > > > I always thought it was possible to use ReiserFS under FreeBSD. Am I > > mistaken? (I could well be, since I haven't done much research into this.) > > Yes. > To change the topic slightly, are there any plans to resurrect LFS? Would there be any point to putting in the time and effort to removing the bitrot or should we leave it where it is? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 19:21:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A2437B9C1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Received: from danco (danco.mostgraveconcern.com [10.0.0.2]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22538; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <012a01bf9ddc$6c653040$0200000a@danco> Reply-To: "Dan O'Connor" From: "Dan O'Connor" To: "Brennan W Stehling" , Subject: Re: better documentation Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:06:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I seem to have touched a nerve after I had problems with upgrading my home >box ot 4.0. The confusion was that I was relying heavily on my experience >with FreeBSD 3.x in the last year along with any documentation that I can >find on freebsd.org. I also read other sites like daemonnews.org and >related bsd sites for anything that could help me learn more. I haven't upgraded to 4.0 yet, so unfortunately I can't help with your problem... But, the reason you got snapped at is that the 'make world' 3.x -> 4.0 *problem* has been asked here about 465,294,312 times in the last two weeks. In each case, the answer has been to read the instructions in UPDATING. Anyone who has been *listening* on this list (or searched the archives) during the last two weeks knows this... I am not condoning anyone who got short with you (or with the next person who blindly does a 'make world' major update, and there *will* be a next person...), but simply as a point of advice: It really does pay to listen in here for a few days before you undertake any major upgrade--you can learn a lot! Good luck, and I hope you get your system back up soon, --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 19:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E4A37BA6C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA48870 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38E952D2.F482CC56@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:26:26 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.4 -> 4.0 cruft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG xntp changed to ntp in 4.0, this would include xntpd, xnptdc and their man pages and probably some more. Jim -- Nothing is fool proof, because fools are too ingenious. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 19:57:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au (nhj.nlc.net.au [203.24.133.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2064137B791 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@nlc.net.au) Received: (qmail 24108 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 12:57:08 +1000 Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au (HELO vecomm3) (203.24.133.1) by nhj.nlc.net.au with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 12:57:08 +1000 Message-ID: <01d901bf9de1$76940dc0$4ab511cb@scitec.com.au> From: "John Saunders" To: "FreeBSD stable" Subject: DNS/host file in 4.0-STABLE Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:57:05 +1000 Organization: NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While setting up a local named as a cache I came across some strange behaviour in name lookups. It doesn't seem to consult the hosts file. I have setup named as authorative for a domain called "home" under which I have configured A records for my home network. It is also authorative for reverse lookups of 192.168.1.* and 127.0.0.*. I have set the "forward only" option and configured the "forwarders" option to the list of IP addresses for my ISPs DNS servers. The idea is that all queries for my local network will be satisfied from the zone files, however anything else will be forwarded to my ISPs DNS. All this works as expected. However to add a second wrinkle, I use ppp in -auto module to demand dial as needed. However I block DNS queries from causing a connection (otherwise sendmail would be costing me heaps in phone calls). With this in place I can telnet to an IP address and the link comes up. If I telnet to a hostname the IP address is never resolved (DNS queries are blocked remember) and the link doesn't come up. To get around this I decided to add the few hostnames, that I actually telnet to, to my /etc/hosts file. It doesn't seem to have any effect. Even though /etc/hosts has an IP address for the hostname I specify on the commandline to telnet, it still wants to do a DNS query. Yes my /etc/host.conf file lists the hosts file as first preference and bind as second preference. My /etc/resolv.conf is: domain home options no_tld_query nameserver 127.0.0.1 The /etc/hosts entry is like the following (IP changed) 192.168.2.1 host.domain.com.au host It doesn't matter if I use host or host.domain.com.au on the command line to telnet, the hosts file never returns a match and the DNS is queried. P.S. At some point the hosts file as gone from entries like the following 192.168.2.1 host.domain.com.au host 192.168.2.1 host.domain.com.au. ..to just a single entry without the '.' terminated line. I believe that it worked as I expect in early 3.x versions. Thanks. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders - mailto:john@nlc.net.au (EMail) | ,--_|\ | - http://www.nlc.net.au/ (WWW) | / Oz \ | - 02-9489-4932 or 041-822-3814 (Phone) | \_,--\_/ | NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS P/L - Supplying a professional, | v | and above all friendly, internet connection service. | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 20: 3: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E41FC37B74D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.194] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ha696131 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:02:36 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: David Murphy , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:01:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In-Reply-To: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040400022200.20912@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 03 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, David Murphy wrote: > Quoting > by Doug Barton : > > > As I said, the documentation project can always use fresh > > blood. I suggest you subscribe to doc@freebsd.org so you can get an > > idea of what's happening currently. Or, you can just use this whole > > pointless exercise to promote your web site. Either is fine with me, > > as long as you spend more time making constructive contributions > > instead of sending pointless e-mails to the list. > > I've been on the receiving end of a previous iteration of this > flamewar, and I don't personally see that your position is any more > constructive. > > At the end of the day, if someone wants to write documentation, they > will. If they don't, they won't. In your model, the person who needs > documentation is assigned the task of writing documentation. > > There seem to be two widely held opinions on this list, and I assume, > perhaps incorrectly, that they are held by the majority of FreeBSD > developers: > > 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation > rests with the user. > > 2) If the user finds the available documentation insufficient, > the responsibility for creating sufficient documentation rests with > the user. > > It seems to me that the difference between users and developers is > that developers generally find the above opinions reasonable, users > generally do not. > > There are, broadly speaking, two classes of users of any software > system: those who use the system, find problems with the system, and > fix those problems; and those who use the system, find problems with > the system, and report those problems. I think of the former group of > people as "developers", and I call the latter group of people "users". > > The bottom line seems to be that, while developers are greatly > desired, users are tolerated, to the extent that they don't get in the > way of development. > > This makes FreeBSD an excellent choice of system for developers. It > makes it a poor choice of system for users. > > This, in and of itself, is no problem if you are interested in > creating and using a system by developers, for developers. Good for > you, and much success. > > Just don't promote it to users. Are you saying that FreeBSD is just a toy for developers, and not meant to be actually USED by any one? -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 20:31: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E7F37B5F9 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@earthlink.net) Received: from blue (ip58.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.58]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10961; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> From: "Eric Ogren" To: "David Murphy" , References: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <00040400022200.20912@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:31:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi- IMO this thread has gone on long enough. However, since I'm hypocritical, I'm going to post one (and hopefully only one) message regarding it. > > 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation > > rests with the user. Who else should the responsibility fall on? Blindly doing things on ANY operating system is a bad idea. Just because WinNT/Win2000 has a more user-friendly administration interface doesn't mean that your average person should just start screwing around in the control panel. Any user should read the documentation, especially with anything related to system maintenance. I know that people generally don't like to do this, but it's still necessary: we try to make software as user-friendly as possible, but computers, and specifically OSs are still complicated. and, just a kind of general comment on the documentation: The RELNOTES, ERRATA, and README files AFAIK have always been mostly associated with a binary release. If you were simply doing a binary upgrade (which I believe we reccommend for those who don't follow the -stable/-current lists), you wouldn't have to know that you can't simply do a "cd /usr/src && make world" to upgrade between major version #s. Personally, I feel that, given as probably 90% of FreeBSD users buy/burn a CD or simply download FreeBSD from the net, cluttering up the relnotes/errata/readme files with instructions on how to upgrade from source would just needlessly a) confuse the majority of users and b) put unnecessary information into these files. As has been pointed out to you, the handbook does say that those who wish to use -stable / -current (ie upgrade via source) MUST read the -stable and -current mailing lists. I don't know how else we can make it more clear that upgrading from source is not advised for newbies or people that are not willing to put in the time to read [or at least skim] the mailing list. The one big problem that I see is that the makeworld.html file does not yet have any caveats regarding the 3.x -> 4.0 upgrade. This should definitely be fixed, and I believe Nik Clayton (doc project manager) is/has prepared patches to fix this. How else would you suggest that this is made more clear? I'm not trying to flame you; I'm trying to get your opinion. I've been using FreeBSD for 3 or 4 years now, and I've been thinking of trying to get more involved in some way. Maybe writing some documentation to clarify the upgrade process could be a way to get started. Since it seems you don't feel that users should be forced to submit their own docs, could you at least tell a [prospective] doc-guy where else he should put pointers in? thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 20:37:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1F737B745 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01996; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:37:12 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:37:09 +1000 From: Jonathan Michaels To: Doug Barton Cc: Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404133707.A1768@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Barton on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:54:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:54:27AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > only source of information. short of having reams of (good quality) printed documentation to fall back upon this is not an alltogether unreasonable way to proceed, espacially for one not versed in the arcanely esoteric and getting more so at the release of each new version of freebsd. > Right at the very top of that page, in bold > letters NO IT DOES NOT .. get your facts straight before you blow somebodies head of for asking a most reasonable question in a polite and alltogether reasonable manner. > it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > related to that upgrade. i joined the -steble mailing list at about the time freebsd went from v2.2.7 someting like that. i'd hoped to pick up some idea of what was involved and how to go about the process. inmy time i asked several reasonable questions. freebsd is no moving into v4.blah.blah and i'm still running v2.2.7-release because of the missinformation and outright bigotry that is so prevalent in the -stable mailing list. maybe if we all took a bit of time to answer the questions asked and to veryify the data that we provide, then maybe just maybe freebsd-stable will be a better path. as it is i can only see that anyone who is not using freebsd -release is in for a lot of serious trouble. > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > actions, havinf read brennans's post this is not the tenor of his argument .. but of cource you will have to say that regardless of what brennan actually says because you have to have a reason to sustain this irrational attack upon yet another peroson who has dared to ask a legitimate question, dared to point out yet another one of teh more and more regularly appearing holes in the (once) "rock solid" platform that now is becoming a shadow of its reputation. > but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > foot. yup you got this bit right, peope such as brennan and myslef do regularly point loaded guns at out feet, but do you and those like you mr barton have to actually pull the trigger ? people ask questions because they wnat clear unequivical answers, not moralising lectures on how things should be that are also full of technical anomilies. maybe just maybe people are getting tired of all this ego monical rhetoric and would like to settle down and just get to work and to see things the way that they used to be, replete witht he level of sanity and civility that seems to have left the freebsd mailinglists of late. struggling to keep up. jonathan michaels -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 20:43:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA9837B758 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cGsc-00021P-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:07:38 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cGsc-00031j-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:07:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:07:38 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request Message-ID: <20000404010738.P85754@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Southwell wrote: > I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post without using attachments. Pot, kettle, black. I already asked you once not to send HTML mail with a JPEG image, this is just as bad as attachments. (Worse, actually, as they're completely useless, many attachments actually have some use to them.) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 20:46:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA8237B982 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@earthlink.net) Received: from blue (ip58.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.58]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19499; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03ed01bf9de8$88b1f240$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> From: "Eric Ogren" To: , "Doug Barton" Cc: "Brennan W Stehling" , References: <20000404133707.A1768@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:47:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG so much for only one message Sorry for the ugly formatting; I'm trying to write a paper while reading my email at the same time (which probably isn't the smartest idea). Hi- > > Right at the very top of that page, in bold > > letters > > NO IT DOES NOT .. get your facts straight before you blow > somebodies head of for asking a most reasonable question in a > polite and alltogether reasonable manner. From http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html: 18.2.2.3. Using FreeBSD-STABLE 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list . This will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or any other issues requiring special attention. Developers will also make announcements in this mailing list when they are contemplating some controversial fix or update, giving the users a chance to respond if they have any issues to raise concerning the proposed change. Sorry, but I don't see how this could be any more clear. Our docs certainly aren't perfect, and people have pointed out some examples of problems, but what about the above passage is mystifing? Doug may be taking a somewhat harsh tone, but the stuff he is saying is true. Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21: 5:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B32337B7DE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA39311; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:04:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:04:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Eric Ogren Cc: David Murphy , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It sounds like you would be a great candidate for writing some upgrade documentation. It is very easy to read the way you write and your years of experience would give you some clue what problems to avoid... perfect for a documentation writer. I first purchased a FreeBSD cd at version 3.0 and then one at 3.3. It looks like I will either burn a 4.0 iso or buy a cd. I like to buy because I try to support the efforts. (I also buy great shirts from copyleft.net where they make nice donations with each purchase) Since I started pretty much at 3.0 as a heavy duty user I am not familiar with a major upgrade. I was under the impression that upgrading to 4.0 STABLE from 3.4 STABLE would be as simple as following the instructions in makeworld.html. We all know now that is not the case. I seem to have the BSD Search Engine working on www.greasydaemon.com. I have it indexing all of the content on about 10 bsd related websites and it seems to run quite fast. A search for "ifconfig alias" shows results across several sites. I think it will help me a great deal. (I did it with htdig and it was very easy) What I have learned while running FreeBSD for the last couple of years is that you cannot simply read some documentation and do your job to adminster the system. A lot of strange and unexpected things arise and the only way to master the system is to learn the hard way at times and remember the experience. And sometimes you can take the advice of consultants and friends who know better than yourself. My first 4 months were not easy, but after pushing through the tough installs of SSLeay and PostgreSQL and many other systems I learned how to cope and how to get the information that I needed. Learning to find and absorb the information was the key. Now things are much easier for me, but I still run into problems. I do not think that will ever change. There is always something more to learn, but fortunately now I know many more places to find the information. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Swipple's Rule of Order: He who shouts the loudest has the floor. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Eric Ogren wrote: > Hi- > > IMO this thread has gone on long enough. However, since I'm hypocritical, > I'm going to post one (and hopefully only one) message regarding it. > > > > 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation > > > rests with the user. > > Who else should the responsibility fall on? Blindly doing things on > ANY operating system is a bad idea. Just because WinNT/Win2000 > has a more user-friendly administration interface doesn't mean that > your average person should just start screwing around in the control panel. > Any user should read the documentation, especially with anything > related to system maintenance. I know that people generally don't like > to do this, but it's still necessary: we try to make software > as user-friendly as possible, but computers, and specifically OSs are > still complicated. > > and, just a kind of general comment on the documentation: > > The RELNOTES, ERRATA, and README files AFAIK have always > been mostly associated with a binary release. If you were simply doing a > binary > upgrade (which I believe we reccommend for those who don't follow > the -stable/-current > lists), you wouldn't have to know that you can't simply do a "cd /usr/src && > make world" > to upgrade between major version #s. > Personally, I feel that, given as probably 90% of FreeBSD users buy/burn a > CD or > simply download FreeBSD from the net, cluttering up the > relnotes/errata/readme files > with instructions on how to upgrade from source would just needlessly a) > confuse the > majority of users and b) put unnecessary information into these files. > > As has been pointed out to you, the handbook does say that those who wish > to use -stable / -current (ie upgrade via source) MUST read the -stable > and -current > mailing lists. I don't know how else we can make it more clear that > upgrading from > source is not advised for newbies or people that are not willing to put in > the time > to read [or at least skim] the mailing list. > > The one big problem that I see is that the makeworld.html file does not yet > have > any caveats regarding the 3.x -> 4.0 upgrade. This should definitely be > fixed, and > I believe Nik Clayton (doc project manager) is/has prepared patches to fix > this. > > How else would you suggest that this is made more clear? > > I'm not trying to flame you; I'm trying to get your opinion. I've been > using FreeBSD > for 3 or 4 years now, and I've been thinking of trying to get more involved > in some way. > Maybe writing some documentation to clarify the upgrade process could be a > way > to get started. Since it seems you don't feel that users should be forced to > submit > their own docs, could you at least tell a [prospective] doc-guy where else > he should put pointers in? > > > thanks, > Eric > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:12:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422037B701 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:12:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cKh6-000Lxk-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:12:00 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:12:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have done a number of 3.4 to 4.0 upgrades, but this one has started to go sour. apologies for bothering folk, but this machine is remote and so i am worried about screwing it up. i did the cvsup to 4.0-stable this afternoon (PDT). i did a buildworld and cd /usr/src [**] make buildworld cd sbin/mknod make install cd sys/modules make install then first oopsie sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh FOO cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 vers.c linking kernel scsi_sa.o: In function `saopen': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x7d): undefined reference to `cam_periph_lock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xa0): undefined reference to `cam_periph_acquire' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xae): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xdb): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x11c): undefined reference to `cam_periph_release' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x13c): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o: In function `saclose': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x194): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1b3): undefined reference to `cam_periph_lock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1de): undefined reference to `cam_periph_release' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1e4): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x20d): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2b5): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2c7): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2e4): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x318): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x33c): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x342): undefined reference to `cam_periph_release' scsi_sa.o: In function `sastrategy': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3ab): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x459): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x48f): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x527): undefined reference to `xpt_schedule' scsi_sa.o: In function `saioctl': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x59c): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x630): undefined reference to `cam_periph_lock' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x9e8): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xd3b): undefined reference to `cam_periph_ioctl' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xd4f): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_sa.o: In function `sainit': scsi_sa.o(.text+0xd68): undefined reference to `cam_extend_new' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xd91): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xda9): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xdcb): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xdd6): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' scsi_sa.o: In function `saoninvalidate': scsi_sa.o(.text+0xe0d): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xe2b): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xee8): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o: In function `sacleanup': scsi_sa.o(.text+0xf88): undefined reference to `cam_extend_release' scsi_sa.o(.text+0xf93): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o: In function `saasync': scsi_sa.o(.text+0xffb): undefined reference to `cam_periph_alloc' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x101b): undefined reference to `cam_periph_async' scsi_sa.o: In function `saregister': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x10ea): undefined reference to `cam_extend_set' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x10ef): undefined reference to `scsi_inquiry_match' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1101): undefined reference to `cam_quirkmatch' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1370): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x138e): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1396): undefined reference to `xpt_announce_periph' scsi_sa.o: In function `sastart': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1422): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1503): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x15c6): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x165e): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1670): undefined reference to `xpt_schedule' scsi_sa.o: In function `sadone': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1854): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1885): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `samount': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x18b1): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x18cc): undefined reference to `scsi_test_unit_ready' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x18e5): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1903): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1928): undefined reference to `scsi_test_unit_ready' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x193e): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x198f): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x19a8): undefined reference to `scsi_test_unit_ready' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x19c1): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x19df): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1a42): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1a60): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1a98): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1ab6): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1ac6): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1af6): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1b09): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1b68): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1b84): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1bb8): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1bd6): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1be8): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1bfb): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1c37): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1c55): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1c61): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1e63): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1f09): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x1fa3): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2115): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saerror': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2184): undefined reference to `xpt_path_periph' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2304): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x23de): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x245e): undefined reference to `cam_periph_error' scsi_sa.o: In function `sagetparams': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2495): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x251f): undefined reference to `scsi_mode_sense' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x253b): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x255a): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x25aa): undefined reference to `scsi_sense_print' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2614): undefined reference to `scsi_mode_sense' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2630): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x264f): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x277d): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sasetparams': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2853): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2aa3): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2acd): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2b09): undefined reference to `scsi_mode_select' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2b27): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2b45): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2bf5): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2c11): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2c1d): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saprevent': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2cbc): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2cd9): undefined reference to `scsi_prevent' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2cef): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2d0a): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2d2a): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sarewind': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2d48): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2d7f): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2da1): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2daa): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saspace': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2dfe): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2e4a): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2e6d): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2e76): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sawritefilemarks': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2efb): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2f3e): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2f59): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2f7b): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sardpos': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x2fd7): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3038): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x305a): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x309a): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sasetpos': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x30bb): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x30f6): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3118): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3121): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saretension': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3154): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3191): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x31b3): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x31bc): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `sareservereleaseunit': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x320f): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3249): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x326b): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3274): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saloadunload': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x329c): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x32ea): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x330c): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3315): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_sa.o: In function `saerase': scsi_sa.o(.text+0x3373): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x33ab): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x33cd): undefined reference to `cam_release_devq' scsi_sa.o(.text+0x33d6): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_pass.o: In function `passinit': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x8): undefined reference to `cam_extend_new' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x49): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x6b): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x76): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' scsi_pass.o: In function `passoninvalidate': scsi_pass.o(.text+0xad): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0xcb): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x18d): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_pass.o: In function `passcleanup': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x1d0): undefined reference to `cam_extend_release' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x1e4): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_pass.o: In function `passasync': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x246): undefined reference to `cam_periph_alloc' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x267): undefined reference to `cam_periph_async' scsi_pass.o: In function `passregister': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x316): undefined reference to `cam_extend_set' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x378): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x396): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x3aa): undefined reference to `xpt_announce_periph' scsi_pass.o: In function `passopen': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x3e1): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x440): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x463): undefined reference to `cam_periph_lock' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x48c): undefined reference to `cam_periph_acquire' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x4a5): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_pass.o: In function `passclose': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x4ce): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x4eb): undefined reference to `cam_periph_lock' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x4fc): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unlock' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x502): undefined reference to `cam_periph_release' scsi_pass.o: In function `passstart': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x5a2): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x64b): undefined reference to `xpt_action' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x65a): undefined reference to `xpt_schedule' scsi_pass.o: In function `passdone': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x6e2): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_pass.o: In function `passioctl': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x714): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x744): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x773): undefined reference to `cam_periph_getccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x789): undefined reference to `xpt_alloc_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x79a): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x7b0): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x7dd): undefined reference to `xpt_free_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x7e6): undefined reference to `xpt_release_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x7f5): undefined reference to `cam_periph_ioctl' scsi_pass.o: In function `passsendccb': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x82a): undefined reference to `xpt_merge_ccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x86f): undefined reference to `cam_periph_mapmem' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x8a0): undefined reference to `cam_periph_runccb' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x8b5): undefined reference to `cam_periph_unmapmem' scsi_pass.o: In function `passerror': scsi_pass.o(.text+0x8fb): undefined reference to `xpt_path_periph' scsi_pass.o(.text+0x90a): undefined reference to `cam_periph_error' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_create_path': aic7xxx.o(.text+0xee3): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_syncrate': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x10d8): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x10e7): undefined reference to `xpt_async' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x10f8): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_width': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x127d): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x128c): undefined reference to `xpt_async' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x129d): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_attach': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x13fb): undefined reference to `cam_simq_alloc' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x142b): undefined reference to `cam_sim_alloc' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x143b): undefined reference to `cam_simq_free' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x144e): undefined reference to `xpt_bus_register' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1460): undefined reference to `cam_sim_free' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1485): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1498): undefined reference to `xpt_bus_deregister' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x14a3): undefined reference to `cam_sim_free' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x14c2): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x14e3): undefined reference to `xpt_action' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1519): undefined reference to `cam_sim_alloc' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1545): undefined reference to `xpt_bus_register' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1561): undefined reference to `cam_sim_free' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x157d): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1590): undefined reference to `xpt_bus_deregister' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x159b): undefined reference to `cam_sim_free' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x15b6): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x15d7): undefined reference to `xpt_action' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_en_lun': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1aed): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1b4d): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1b78): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1b94): undefined reference to `xpt_path_lun_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1b9d): undefined reference to `xpt_path_target_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1ba9): undefined reference to `xpt_path_path_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1bb7): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1bd4): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1e5e): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1eb0): undefined reference to `xpt_path_comp' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1f18): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1f2c): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_target_cmd': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x2300): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_seqint': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x27a0): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x2c65): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x2c88): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x2d25): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_scsiint': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x2fc8): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x31f2): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x32fd): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x353b): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_setup_initiator_msgout': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x3757): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x37ad): more undefined references to `xpt_print_path' follow aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_msg_reject': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x3a93): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x3aaa): undefined reference to `xpt_async' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_handle_devreset': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x49ac): undefined reference to `xpt_async' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x49bd): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_done': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x4ac1): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x4b70): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x4bdc): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_action': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x59fe): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_simq' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x5f25): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6008): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6026): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x603c): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x613e): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6150): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_async': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x618b): undefined reference to `xpt_path_lun_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6195): undefined reference to `xpt_path_target_id' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_execute_scb': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6333): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x63ac): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_setup_data': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x666a): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6704): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_simq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_freeze_devq': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x67af): undefined reference to `xpt_path_target_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x67b7): undefined reference to `xpt_path_lun_id' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x67c2): undefined reference to `xpt_path_sim' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_recoveryscb': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6c54): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_simq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_timeout': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6da4): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6ee3): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6f8c): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x6fde): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x71b4): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x727a): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_search_qinfifo': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x7352): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_abort_ccb': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x74b6): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x74f5): undefined reference to `xpt_done' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_abort_scbs': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x775b): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_reset_channel': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x7fed): undefined reference to `xpt_async' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_queue_lstate_event': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x8789): undefined reference to `xpt_freeze_devq' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x87d2): undefined reference to `xpt_release_devq' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x87e1): undefined reference to `xpt_print_path' aic7xxx.o(.text+0x8820): undefined reference to `xpt_release_devq' aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_send_lstate_events': aic7xxx.o(.text+0x88b2): undefined reference to `xpt_done' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. so i checked the config foo:/sys/i386/conf# config FOO config: line 26: Unknown machine type config: line 26: syntax error config: line 27: syntax error config: line 28: syntax error config: line 29: syntax error config: line 30: syntax error config: line 46: syntax error config: line 49: syntax error config: line 59: syntax error config: can't open ../conf/devices.(null) looked like the old 3.4 vs 4.0 config mismatch, so i tried foo:/usr/src# cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/config/ foo:/usr/src/usr.sbin/config# make install install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 config /usr/sbin install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 config.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8 and then foo:/usr/src/usr.sbin/config# cd /sys/i386/conf/ foo:/sys/i386/conf# config FOO /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.4" not found at this point it is time to stop before i really damage something. fyi, config is appended. help appreciated. randy # # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on # Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246 2000/03/09 16:32:55 jlemon Exp $ # This allows you to actually store this configuration file into # the kernel binary itself, where it may be later read by saying: # strings -aout -n 3 /kernel | grep ^___ | sed -e 's/^___//' > MYKERNEL # options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel machine i386 cpu I386_CPU cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident FOO maxusers 32 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking #options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem #options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem #options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem #options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=5000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console #options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extentions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies # Soft updates is technique for improving file system speed and # making abrupt shutdown less risky. It is not enabled by default due # to copyright restraints on the code that implement it. # # Read .../../ufs/ffs/README.softupdates to learn what you need to # do to enable this. ../../../contrib/sys/softupdates/README gives # more details on how they actually work. # options SOFTUPDATES options TCP_RESTRICT_RST config kernel root on wd0 # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=4 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs device isa #device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Teckram DC-390(T)) #device dpt # DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! #device isp # Qlogic family #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets) #device adv0 at isa? #device adw #device bt0 at isa? #device aha0 at isa? #device aic0 at isa? # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) #device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # RAID controllers #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 #device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support #device card #device pcic0 at isa? irq 10 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 #device pcic1 at isa? irq 11 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 #device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 #device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 # Parallel port #device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 #device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) #device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device tx # SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') #device wx # Intel Gigabit Ethernet Card (``Wiseman'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. #device miibus # MII bus support #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. #device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device ex device ep # WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the WaveLAN/IEEE really # exists only as a PCMCIA device, so there is no ISA attatement needed # and resources will always be dynamically assigned by the pccard code. #device wi # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the declaration below will # work for PCMCIA and PCI cards, as well as ISA cards set to ISA PnP # mode (the factory default). If you set the switches on your ISA # card for a manually chosen I/O address and IRQ, you must specify # those paremeters here. #device an # The probe order of these is presently determined by i386/isa/isa_compat.c. #device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 #device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0 #device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 #device sn0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 # requires PCCARD (PCMCIA) support to be activated #device xe0 at isa? # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support #pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP #pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP #pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) #pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" #pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! #pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse # USB Ethernet, requires mii #device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet #device cue # CATC USB ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:22:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1772637B5B4 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA39388; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:22:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Eric Ogren Cc: jon@welearn.com.au, Doug Barton , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <03ed01bf9de8$88b1f240$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG He is making a good point that the mailing list is a great resource. Many sites ask that you join a mailing list for support, but typically most sites offer current information on their sites and the mailing lists simply augment that information. It is the opposite for the freebsd.org site. The site is a bit behind the release version while the really useful information is in the mailing list discussions. I personally do not like being on a mailing list for very long because it ends up like it has today. I get over 200 emails in one day and send out at least 20 as questions or as replies. It is not very efficient. What if nobody answers your question? What if someone does but you did not get an answer for two days? I prefer to rely on documentation that I can find and read right away and get the job done. I also like to print out documentation and have it on hand when I have the box in single user mode. I find that more tangible and helpful, but the reality of the situation is to wait a couple of months when the documentation has caught up and various bugs have been worked out. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Eric Ogren wrote: > so much for only one message > Sorry for the ugly formatting; I'm trying to write a paper while reading my > email at the same time (which > probably isn't the smartest idea). > > Hi- > > > > Right at the very top of that page, in bold > > > letters > > > > NO IT DOES NOT .. get your facts straight before you blow > > somebodies head of for asking a most reasonable question in a > > polite and alltogether reasonable manner. > > > From http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html: > > 18.2.2.3. Using FreeBSD-STABLE > 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list . This > will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or > any other issues requiring special attention. Developers will also make > announcements in this mailing list when they are contemplating some > controversial fix or update, giving the users a chance to respond if they > have any issues to raise concerning the proposed change. > > Sorry, but I don't see how this could be any more clear. Our docs certainly > aren't perfect, and people > have pointed out some examples of problems, but what about the above passage > is mystifing? > > Doug may be taking a somewhat harsh tone, but the stuff he is saying is > true. > > Eric > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:38:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29437B7AA for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA39447; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Randy Bush Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would suggest that your FOO configuration file has something config does not like. When going from 3.3 to 3.4 I had to modify my configuration file. I typically start with the GENERIC file and comment out the lines I know I do not want. Then I add options near the top so I can find them more easily the next time I change the file. Doing this on a remote server is a bit bold. I personally would not try to reboot into a newly compiled kernel when I cannot monitor it's progress when it boots for the first time. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:43:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ACE137B74A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 16352 invoked by alias); 4 Apr 2000 04:43:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-stable@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 16325 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2000 04:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.227.213.90) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 04:43:05 -0000 Content-Length: 3999 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Barton , jon@welearn.com.au, Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, now for my .02 There is a group of people on efnet irc that have started a channel called #freebsdhelp. It IS a freebsdhelp channel, where you WILL get help. They also have a www sight called www.defcon1.org. Its mirrored in a couple places and I am hopeing to mirror some myself. defcon1.org is a help sight with how-to's etc. It is a bit incomplete though, because there arent a lot of people writing how-to's for them and such. I am trying to help, but, like I said, there are only a few people writing elps and such. Now, I propose this would make a GREAT help sight if it had more info on it. Now, I am not the owner of the sight but I am almost sure that the owner would appreciate any help in getting good docs up there. On 04-Apr-00 Brennan W Stehling wrote: > He is making a good point that the mailing list is a great resource. Many > sites ask that you join a mailing list for support, but typically most > sites offer current information on their sites and the mailing lists > simply augment that information. > > It is the opposite for the freebsd.org site. The site is a bit behind the > release version while the really useful information is in the mailing list > discussions. > > I personally do not like being on a mailing list for very long because it > ends up like it has today. I get over 200 emails in one day and send out > at least 20 as questions or as replies. It is not very efficient. > > What if nobody answers your question? What if someone does but you did > not get an answer for two days? > > I prefer to rely on documentation that I can find and read right away and > get the job done. I also like to print out documentation and have it on > hand when I have the box in single user mode. > > I find that more tangible and helpful, but the reality of the situation is > to wait a couple of months when the documentation has caught up and > various bugs have been worked out. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > fortune: > We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? > -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Eric Ogren wrote: > >> so much for only one message >> Sorry for the ugly formatting; I'm trying to write a paper while reading my >> email at the same time (which >> probably isn't the smartest idea). >> >> Hi- >> >> > > Right at the very top of that page, in bold >> > > letters >> > >> > NO IT DOES NOT .. get your facts straight before you blow >> > somebodies head of for asking a most reasonable question in a >> > polite and alltogether reasonable manner. >> >> >> From http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html: >> >> 18.2.2.3. Using FreeBSD-STABLE >> 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list . This >> will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or >> any other issues requiring special attention. Developers will also make >> announcements in this mailing list when they are contemplating some >> controversial fix or update, giving the users a chance to respond if they >> have any issues to raise concerning the proposed change. >> >> Sorry, but I don't see how this could be any more clear. Our docs certainly >> aren't perfect, and people >> have pointed out some examples of problems, but what about the above passage >> is mystifing? >> >> Doug may be taking a somewhat harsh tone, but the stuff he is saying is >> true. >> >> Eric >> >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 03-Apr-00 Time: 21:36:53l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:45:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AD637B72B for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@earthlink.net) Received: from blue (ip3.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.3]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22645; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <041b01bf9df0$c899d5a0$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> From: "Eric Ogren" To: "Brennan W Stehling" Cc: , "Doug Barton" , References: Subject: Re: make world failed Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Brennan W Stehling To: Eric Ogren Cc: ; Doug Barton ; Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:22 AM Subject: Re: make world failed > He is making a good point that the mailing list is a great resource. Many > sites ask that you join a mailing list for support, but typically most > sites offer current information on their sites and the mailing lists > simply augment that information. This is true, but, as is the nature of any open-source project, the "published" documentation tends to lag behind the development; developers don't enjoy writing documentation (it's hard!) and for whatever reason not as many docwriters seem to show up in the open source world. I'm not saying that this is right, but I think that you will find that if you attempt to use Linux, or Net/OpenBSD, you will find the same reliance on mailing lists/web-based discussion boards. > > It is the opposite for the freebsd.org site. The site is a bit behind the > release version while the really useful information is in the mailing list > discussions. > see above. > I personally do not like being on a mailing list for very long because it > ends up like it has today. I get over 200 emails in one day and send out > at least 20 as questions or as replies. It is not very efficient. That's what the mailing list archives are for; http://docs.freebsd.org/mail will allow you to either browse or search through the mailing list archives. Just search for "upgrade" in the past two months, and you'll see the 10 million people who have had trouble upgrading to 4.x via source, and the 10 million "do this" responses. > What if nobody answers your question? What if someone does but you did > not get an answer for two days? This applies to any product, open-source or commercial, IMO. There are some places that have excellent online support sites; numerous FAQs and technical notes, etc. There are also many places whose online support basically consists of "Is your computer on? If yes, call us at 1-800-support". Since FreeBSD is not a commercial project, it cannot afford to hire a room full of customer service people, so you're stuck with us :) > > I prefer to rely on documentation that I can find and read right away and > get the job done. I also like to print out documentation and have it on > hand when I have the box in single user mode. > I fully agree with you; I will always search in the documentation before asking someone else for help (even at work, where asking the engineer sitting across from me would probably be a lot faster). When I still have problems after reading the docs or I can't find anything helpful in the docs, I will usually just try to wing it EXCEPT in situations where I fear that I will cause data corruption (ie our product relies on a database; I usually don't play around with the database tools, because rebuilding my environment is a pain). This is an approach I would recommend to anyone who wants to learn on their own; it's amazing how much you can find out looking through the FBSD Handbook/FAQ and other various *BSD websites, and I think it is much more helpful than asking someone for a step-by-step list, as this list is usually just "Do this. Then do this." Instead of "Do this, because..." > I find that more tangible and helpful, but the reality of the situation is > to wait a couple of months when the documentation has caught up and > various bugs have been worked out. Yup. Hazard of the development system, I guess. Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:52:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F24B37B7AA for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22758; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:52:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Southwell wrote: >GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. > >My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus introduced from an attachment to list mail. >David This from a guy who's original message used the "Windows-1252" character set, contained HTML tags, and still had the JPEG attached to it. Please, clean up your list mail as well. Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:21:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3640637B5CE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-136.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.136]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18298; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:15:47 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <004b01bf9df4$b298c280$88e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "John Reynolds~" Cc: References: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> <14569.8498.388363.581558@hip186.ch.intel.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:14:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well guys I am so soooooooooooory if you had not told me I would never have known - I am hanging my head here -- I am not used to using Microsoft stuff and it appears that HTML was set by default on this machine -- the sooner I can get my new machine up with Freebsd 4.00 the better I will like it!! Please let me know if the beastly HTML and Jif stuff (aparrently for some kind of background to the mail) has dissappeared. However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more point for me again Attachments etc are a pain in the **** Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Reynolds~" To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Attachments request > > > I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to = > > post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff = > > through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are = > > very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting = > > rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very = > > carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as = > > this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. > > > > My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus = > > introduced from an attachment to list mail. > > We promise to not "attach" things sent to this mailing list, if you promise > to send "plain text" mail from Outlook (rather than HTML ... ). > > :) > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- = > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- = > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:22: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35A937B700; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA79088; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Alexander Frolkin , Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: <200004040103.SAA60860@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > To change the topic slightly, are there any plans to resurrect LFS? Not that I know of. > Would there be any point to putting in the time and effort to removing > the bitrot or should we leave it where it is? If someone were to do the work it would probably be worthwhile, but it's almost certainly difficult. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:32:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8A37B51E; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:32:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA81234; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Southwell wrote: > GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to > post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff > through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are > very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting > rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very > carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as > this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. Attachments are often useful for distributing files (patches, program logs) with email. They're also not "unsafe" [1] for FreeBSD users to use. I understand that for whatever reason some people can't use FreeBSD to read their email, but this _is_ a FreeBSD list and I don't think we should worry too much about catering to other platforms. Specifically, if you want to scan all of your email attachments then you should use a virus scanner which can do it automatically instead of asking the world to change their ways. Kris [1] There have been various security holes in MUAs involving buggy MIME-parsing code, but these are rare and easily fixed. ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:38:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CFA37B583; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA84160; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Randy Bush Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Randy Bush wrote: > scsi_sa.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to `cam_extend_get' Your kernel config file is missing something. Compare with GENERIC and LINT. > foo:/sys/i386/conf# config FOO > config: line 26: Unknown machine type > config: line 26: syntax error The config files changed format drastically from 3.x to 4.x - rebuild it based on the current references (GENERIC and LINT) You should also build your kernel using the 'make buildkernel' target to avoid the libc.so.4 issue (as described here several times recently - check the archives). Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:44:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BA637B5B5 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com (yy-133-9-a8.bta.net.cn [202.108.133.9]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05131 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:39:42 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA65851; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:41:46 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:41:46 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200004040541.NAA65851@netrinsics.com> To: brennan@offwhite.net, brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Subject: Re: journaling fs Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000403132828.A28633@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brooks Davis writes: >Journaling is only one solution to >this problem. Most of the features you will typicaly see attributed to >a JFS have nothing to do with journaling. What most people seem to want >from a JFS is buzzword compliance. What I want most from a JFS is the ability to do reliable backups while running production services, like I can do with Veritas' file system snapshots. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:45:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF61537B685 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougGuy@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07707; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougGuy@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <38E98156.CDDB9A79@san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:44:54 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0325 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Randy Bush wrote: > > i have done a number of 3.4 to 4.0 upgrades, but this one has started to go > sour. apologies for bothering folk, but this machine is remote and so i am > worried about screwing it up. > > i did the cvsup to 4.0-stable this afternoon (PDT). > > i did a buildworld and > > cd /usr/src > [**] > make buildworld > cd sbin/mknod > make install > cd sys/modules > make install > > > then first oopsie > # SCSI peripherals > #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) Good luck, Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 22:48:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A19B37B758 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: from after (shiva-user12.corp.home.net [24.0.8.142]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13209; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: "Southwell" , Subject: RE: Attachments request Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:48:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You also need to consider posting in plain text. please keep html for websites, not for email. Lest we start see vcard attachments as well. It depends on what sort of attachment is appended. It would be foolish to open an executable attached, but a lot of clients come default to attach email, when doing a follow up. Sameer -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Southwell Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:46 PM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Attachments request I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus introduced from an attachment to list mail. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 23: 2:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B47B37B5B5 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougGuy@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07768; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougGuy@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <38E98584.3BF483A0@san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:02:44 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0325 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do acregmin, acregmax, acdirmin, acdirmax work as documented References: <20000403233421.1C01E99E3F@waltz.rahul.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > I have a filesystem NFS-exported by a FreeBSD 2.2.8 machine and > NFS-mounted on a 3.4-STABLE machine with these attributes: > > rw,bg,nosuid,intr,acregmin=0,acregmax=0,acdirmin=0,acdirmax=0 > > According to the man page for nfs_mount, this would cause attributes for > files and directories to be cached for 0 seconds, i.e., not cached at > all. But the behavior I observe seems to indicate some amount of > caching. You will get better results, and more likely to get help if you update the server machine to 3.4-Stable, or better yet, 4.0-Stable. There are so many bugs in the old NFS code, it would be hard to know where to start. Good luck, Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 23:10:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (gw.pn.npi.msu.ru [193.232.127.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9818B37B737 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from scarlatti (scarlatti [195.208.223.16]) by vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e346AH805667 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:10:18 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404101010.007c1100@vivaldi> X-Sender: svysh@vivaldi (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:10:10 +0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Sergei Vyshenski Subject: pppd loves INET6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Had removed "options INET6" from kernel configuration. (Decided to be conservative.) And all remained just fine, as was with default INET6. But as soon as I started pppd on direct line, an endless avalanche of messages spread: pppd[392]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cuaa0 : sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1) : sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 2) : sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 3) ... It seems interesting as pppd does not support IPv6, at lest it says so itself when starts with INET6'ed kernel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 23:29:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from amonduul.ecn.ou.edu (amonduul.ecn.ou.edu [129.15.119.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1453037B616 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from servalan!rmtodd@amonduul.ecn.ou.edu) Received: from servalan (2387 bytes) by amonduul.ecn.ou.edu via rmail with P:uucp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for freebsd.org!freebsd-stable; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:28:14 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.107 1999-Sep-8 #1 built 1999-Sep-21) Received: from localhost (1838 bytes) by servalan.servalan.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:23:17 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-10) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:23:17 -0500 (CDT) From: rmtodd@servalan.servalan.com (Richard Todd) To: randy@psg.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Newsgroups: servalan.mailinglist.fbsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.3 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Randy Bush writes: >i have done a number of 3.4 to 4.0 upgrades, but this one has started to go >sour. apologies for bothering folk, but this machine is remote and so i am >worried about screwing it up. >i did the cvsup to 4.0-stable this afternoon (PDT). >i did a buildworld and > cd /usr/src > [**] > make buildworld > cd sbin/mknod > make install > cd sys/modules > make install > >then first oopsie > sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh FOO [...] >so i checked the config > foo:/sys/i386/conf# config FOO > config: line 26: Unknown machine type > config: line 26: syntax error [....] >looked like the old 3.4 vs 4.0 config mismatch, so i tried > foo:/usr/src# cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/config/ > foo:/usr/src/usr.sbin/config# make install > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 config /usr/sbin > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 config.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8 >and then > foo:/usr/src/usr.sbin/config# cd /sys/i386/conf/ > foo:/sys/i386/conf# config FOO > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.4" not found >at this point it is time to stop before i really damage something. What I did (when doing upgrades from 3.x to 4.0 recently) was before the buildworld, without any obj tree present, I cd'ed to /usr/src/usr.sbin/config and did a make; make install; make clean there. Without an obj tree present, config will build against the 3.x libraries. against the 3.x libraries. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 0:52:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2AB37B667 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12cO86-0001ju-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:52:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:52:06 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Tobias Roth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Package creation Message-ID: <20000404095206.A5930@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200004021824.LAA02473@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun 2000-04-02 (21:18), Tobias Roth wrote: > Hello > > How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that > one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find > it? The man page is pretty clear on how to do it: pkg_create -c comment -d description -f packlist packagename Where comment, description and packlist are files, unless the first two are prefixed with '-', in which case they are the direct lines to put in the package comment/description. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1: 3:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch (mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7F937B667 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roth@iamexwi.unibe.ch) Received: from iamexwi.unibe.ch (haegar.unibe.ch [130.92.71.10]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-32 #42480) with ESMTP id <0FSH00L65FLYR9@mailhub.unibe.ch> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from warhol.unibe.ch (warhol [130.92.62.20]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00411; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:03:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (roth@localhost) by warhol.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21331; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:03:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tobias Roth Subject: Re: Package creation In-reply-to: <15519.954808238@zippy.cdrom.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Tobias Roth , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > How do I create my own packages? I read pkg_create(1) and it stated that > > one should use a frontend for package creation. Which one, where to find > > it? > > "One should use one as soon as someone writes such a thing" is > probably what the man page should actually say. :) Ok, I will think about doing that job as I find some spare time ;) cheers, Tobe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1:17: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49C937B686 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 158557C2C; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:16:49 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do acregmin, acregmax, acdirmin, acdirmax work as documented Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Message-Id: <20000404081649.158557C2C@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Barton writes: > You will get better results, and more likely to get help if you update >the server machine to 3.4-Stable, or better yet, 4.0-Stable. There are >so many bugs in the old NFS code, it would be hard to know where to >start. I could of course do that. But I am afraid that a month or two later you will, or soembody else will, tell me that 3.4 or 4.0 are too unreliable to be used and I should use 3.5 or 4.x instead. And so on. And I then I will be so busy upgrading I will never get any real work done. And besides, the attribute cache is supposed to be on the client only, not on the server, and the client is already running 3.4-STABLE. -- Rahul Dhesi (spam-filtered with RSS and ORBS) See my ORBS faq: http://www.rahul.net/dhesi/orbs.faq.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1:37: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E4637B96E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.10.0/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id e348auU26900 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (root@niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id KAA21306 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:36:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (talon@localhost) by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA00364 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:36:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:36:55 +0200 From: Michel TALON To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404103655.A310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have upgraded from source yesterday to 4.0-Stable following the nice instructions at the beginning of UPDATING and everything turned out fine. Congratulations to the developpers and particularly to W. Losh for its addenda to UPGRADING. However, i am reading the stable mailing list and was aware that several people had screwed their machine doing this upgrade. Two weeks ago, the instructions in UPGRADING were everything except clear. So, as is often the case one needs to wait a little bit that several people run into trouble before plunging in the game. This is unfortunate, because it means that ordinary users (not following CURRENT) cannot test the candidate release as soon as possible, thereby detecting unusual bugs without risking very much. Had the correct and detailed explanations been written a month ago, it would have been very possible. -- Michel TALON To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1:37:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D740437B7FC for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cOpz-00076C-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:37:27 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge References: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:37:27 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I would suggest that your FOO configuration file has something config does > not like. When going from 3.3 to 3.4 I had to modify my configuration > file. i had done the ediff change. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1:42:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A31837B534 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.10.0/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id e348gaU28136 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (root@niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id KAA21362 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (talon@localhost) by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA00387 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:36 +0200 From: Michel TALON To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time Message-ID: <20000404104236.B310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from cwass99@home.com on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 08:34:37PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 08:34:37PM -0400, Colin wrote: > Had you booted the Win side first, then the FreeBSD side, you would have > seen FreeBSD trying to move the clock ahead "2" hours. It knows it hasn't moved > the time ahead yet so it adds 1 hour to the current BIOS time, which had > already been moved ahead by the previous OS boot. > You'll see this behaviour on any dual boot system. > I have observed exactly the opposite. I think i installed my laptop saying that the correct time was on the cmos clock. Then when i booted freebsd, no time adjustment was done. After that i booted Win who adjusted the cmos clock. Rebooting freebsd, the time was correct. So all this depends how you have installed freebsd. Unfortunately i have not been able to find the command line tool to adjust this. -- Michel TALON To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 1:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2914337B522 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cPBU-0007CO-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:59:40 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Doug Barton Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge References: <38E98156.CDDB9A79@san.rr.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:59:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> # SCSI peripherals >> #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) thank you. that did it. i knew i needed sleep. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 2:54:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from student-mailhub.dcu.ie (ns.dcu.ie [136.206.1.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA9837B5EF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (postfix@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie [136.206.15.5]) by student-mailhub.dcu.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-FD) with ESMTP id KAA28396 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:54:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2034) id 0122C7C11; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:52:55 +0100 (IST) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:52:55 +0000 From: David Murphy To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404105255.A4751@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <00040400022200.20912@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org>; from eogren@earthlink.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:31:45PM -0400 X-no-archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> by Eric Ogren : > Hi- > > IMO this thread has gone on long enough. However, since I'm hypocritical, > I'm going to post one (and hopefully only one) message regarding it. > > > > 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation > > > rests with the user. > > Who else should the responsibility fall on? Blindly doing things on > ANY operating system is a bad idea. Just because WinNT/Win2000 > has a more user-friendly administration interface doesn't mean that > your average person should just start screwing around in the control panel. > Any user should read the documentation, especially with anything > related to system maintenance. I know that people generally don't like > to do this, but it's still necessary: we try to make software > as user-friendly as possible, but computers, and specifically OSs are > still complicated. No? Really? I *never* knew that! Nobody who has raised these issues is trying to avoid reading the documentation. Each and every one has read as much documentation AS THEY WERE AWARE OF. The emphasis is to underline the need for pointers to relevant documentation from the handbook, release announcements, and web pages. One might say that the doucumentation should be better documented ;) > As has been pointed out to you, the handbook does say that those > who wish to use -stable / -current (ie upgrade via source) MUST > read the -stable and -current mailing lists. I don't know how else > we can make it more clear that upgrading from source is not advised > for newbies or people that are not willing to put in the time to > read [or at least skim] the mailing list. Isn't it obvious? It could be made more clear by saying: "those who wish to use -stable / -current (ie upgrade via source) MUST read the -stable and -current mailing lists. upgrading from source is not advised for newbies or people that are not willing to put in the time to read [or at least skim] the mailing list" Which clearly implies that one needs to read the last 6 months worth of the -stable/-current mailing list archives. > I'm not trying to flame you; I'm trying to get your opinion. I've > been using FreeBSD for 3 or 4 years now, and I've been thinking of > trying to get more involved in some way. Maybe writing some > documentation to clarify the upgrade process could be a way to get > started. Since it seems you don't feel that users should be forced > to submit their own docs, Correct. Software should be documented by those that understand it for the benefit of those who do not. Why is that so hard to understand? > could you at least tell a [prospective] doc-guy where else he should > put pointers in? Clear, unequivocal pointers should be in the handbook. Release announcements should point people at the 'upgrading' section of the handbook. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 3:13:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from waltz.rahul.net (waltz.rahul.net [192.160.13.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D757137B5E5 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 03:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from support@rahul.net) Received: by waltz.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 404) id 6F8A899EA0; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 03:13:16 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "dangerously dedicated" Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Message-Id: <20000404101316.6F8A899EA0@waltz.rahul.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 03:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: support@rahul.net (a2i support account) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vivek Khera writes: >So I guess I'll just go away because >it is way to hostile around here. Here is my algorithm, which has worked so far on a number of machines: 1. Set the disk type in the BIOS to be NORMAL. 2. Install FreeBSD 'dangerously dedicated'. 3. If it hangs at boot time, don't reinstall, simply go into the BIOS and change the disk type to be LBA. Reboot. Only if the above fails should you fall back to reinstalling with a partition table. -- (Rahul Dhesi) a2i network support account To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 4: 1:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (gw.pn.npi.msu.ru [193.232.127.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C47737B6EB for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from scarlatti (scarlatti [195.208.223.16]) by vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e34B0ws00531 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:01:02 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404150052.007c4710@vivaldi> X-Sender: svysh@vivaldi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:00:52 +0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Sergei Vyshenski Subject: ata sad combinatorics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fresh (and identical) 4.0-stable systems with support for ata0 and ata1 were tried at: (A) Intel-586 box (B) Intel-686 box Tested were 3 large IDE disks: (1) - fully occupied by FreeBSD (2) and (3) - first half occupied by Win98, second by FreeBSD **Box (A): Ok with any disk as ad0. Ok with any disk as ad0 and any other as ad1. (2) as first master and (3) as second master are ok when booted under Win98. Any disk as ad0 and any other as ad2 under FreeBSD: as soon as I try to mount something from the ad2, I see continuos chain of complains: ad2: READ command timeout -resetting ata1: resetting devices done ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ... **Box (B): Ok with any combination of disks. If bios of (A) should be considered too old, then why Win98 gives more successful combinations, than FreeBSD? Note that second large master IS understood by Win98, but is NOT understood by FreeBSD (even if it has only ufs partitions). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 4: 3:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC4837B66C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00721; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004041103.HAA00721@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000404103655.A310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Michel TALON Subject: RE: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Apr-00 Michel TALON wrote: > I have upgraded from source yesterday to 4.0-Stable following the nice > instructions at the beginning of UPDATING and everything turned out fine. > Congratulations to the developpers and particularly to W. Losh for its > addenda to UPGRADING. However, i am reading the stable mailing list and > was aware that several people had screwed their machine doing this upgrade. > Two weeks ago, the instructions in UPGRADING were everything except clear. > So, as is often the case one needs to wait a little bit that several people > run into trouble before plunging in the game. This is unfortunate, because > it means that ordinary users (not following CURRENT) cannot test the > candidate release as soon as possible, thereby detecting unusual bugs without > risking very much. Had the correct and detailed explanations been written > a month ago, it would have been very possible. ---------------------------- revision 1.71 date: 2000/02/23 05:51:02; author: imp; state: Exp; lines: +4 -2 Slightly improved 3.x -> current instructions. ---------------------------- revision 1.70 date: 2000/02/22 01:50:25; author: imp; state: Exp; lines: +22 -4 Add 3.x -> 4.0 upgrade instructions Make it plainer the kernel rebuild required point. I had thought these changes were already in. ---------------------------- That last commit was on February 23. Today is April 4, looks like over a month to me. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 4:11:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (spook.networkoperations.com [209.42.203.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D565C37B56B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 43748 invoked by uid 100); 4 Apr 2000 11:11:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:11:42 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000404071142.C41846@laptop.firehouse.net> References: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> <14569.8498.388363.581558@hip186.ch.intel.com> <004b01bf9df4$b298c280$88e346c6@demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <004b01bf9df4$b298c280$88e346c6@demon.co.uk>; from vizion@ptialaska.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:14:45PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of the ether, Southwell spewed forth the following bitstream: > However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more poi= nt > for me again You seem to have missed the point entirely. Attachments (as my PGP=20 signature) are at least marginally useful. Things like the HTML that was attached to your posting (which I did not see since my MUA is smart enough to shield me) are not. These two "attachments" are not in the same= =20 category. > Attachments etc are a pain in the **** Only in the wrong hands. And since you sent me mail earler (directly) telling me to fix my ways (which I politely told you I would not do), and then took the issue to to list and got the same response, I can only say one thing: read my signature. Now, I recommend you install FreeBSD and start reading your mail using something that does not do suprising things to the user. AlanC {and since you told me in private mail you would not be reading anything else from me due to the "attachment" of the PGP sig, this may all be in vain} --=20 \ Alan B. Clegg Just because I can \ abc@firehouse.net does not mean I will. \ \ --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: OVdbC5AhZ1UGkuYjVFyE54LS03tcg5zV iQA/AwUBOOnN7fcyv/gweBpYEQIb/ACfdbWq0bzFd4wY+c91C5ni0x/X9E8AniGu fD+YQu0djXZydxXLwWRPusMP =1Xt0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 4:51:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B237B56B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA68720; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:51:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA08304; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000404074518.032c5568@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:49:11 -0500 To: Sergei Vyshenski , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000404150052.007c4710@vivaldi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:00 PM 4/4/2000 +0400, Sergei Vyshenski wrote: >ad2: READ command timeout -resetting >ata1: resetting devices done >ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA >... It would make a fairly significant difference, if you actually posted some details about the hardware. Saying, "586" is kind of useless. Post the output of dmesg, and uname -a and sysctl hw.atamodes. ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:20:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tristo.netinc.ca (primary.2gen.net [209.240.46.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEB037B801 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@2Gen.net) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by tristo.netinc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11544; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael DeMutis X-Sender: mike@tristo.netinc.ca To: Southwell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any special reason you have an attached JPG to this message? -mike On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Southwell wrote: > GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put stuff through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless there are very good reasons for not doing so I delete such mail list posting rather than read them. I would recomend that everyone thinks very carefully before opening attachments on mail lists - even one such as this - it is easy for people to masquerade as others.. > > My experience comes from having lost a lot of data due to a virus introduced from an attachment to list mail. > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:27:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from node11a94.a2000.nl (node11a94.a2000.nl [24.132.26.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AF9537B801 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronald@node11a94.a2000.nl) Received: (qmail 516 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 12:27:24 -0000 Received: from dlanor.evertsen.nl (10.0.0.3) by node11a94.a2000.nl with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 12:27:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:27:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald Klop To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: question about XFree86 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I know this is not excactly the right place for this question, but I already tried -questions, the mailarchive and searched the internet for the topic. I have an Alliance PM6422 SVGA card and XFree86 complains about 'Hung in ApmSync()' when starting the xserver. I already tried a dozen different configurations. Does anybody have experience with this card or error? Greetings, Ronald. -- Ronald Klop http://node11a94.a2000.nl/~ronald/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:27:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (gw.pn.npi.msu.ru [193.232.127.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA2C37B81C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from scarlatti (scarlatti [195.208.223.16]) by vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e34CR2p00659; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:27:02 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404162656.007c5600@vivaldi> X-Sender: svysh@vivaldi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:26:56 +0400 To: Mike Tancsa From: Sergei Vyshenski Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000404074518.032c5568@mail.sentex.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20000404150052.007c4710@vivaldi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It would make a fairly significant difference, if you actually posted some >details about the hardware. Saying, "586" is kind of useless. Post the >output of dmesg, and uname -a and sysctl hw.atamodes. > > ---Mike > Please find info from box (A) with disks (2) and (3) as ad0 and ad2. Initial message please find below. ****dmesg:**** Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 99474317 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (99.47-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping = 5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 41943040 (40960K bytes) avail memory = 38416384 (37516K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "SCARLATTI" at 0xc027b000. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ed0: port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 11 at device 20.0 on pci0 ed0: supplying EUI64: 00:40:95:ff:fe:42:e3:9d ed0: address 00:40:95:42:e3:9d, type NE2000 (16 bit) fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A sio2: configured irq 5 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging limited to 200 packets/entry by default ad0: 3815MB [7752/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 ad2: 4172MB [9042/15/63] at ata1-master using WDMA2 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a ed0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d ed0: DAD complete for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d - no duplicates found ***uname -a: *** FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 ***sysctl hw.atamodes: *** hw.atamodes: dma,---,dma,---, ============================================================ initial message follows ============================================================ Fresh (and identical) 4.0-stable systems with support for ata0 and ata1 were tried at: (A) Intel-586 box (B) Intel-686 box Tested were 3 large IDE disks: (1) - fully occupied by FreeBSD (2) and (3) - first half occupied by Win98, second by FreeBSD **Box (A): Ok with any disk as ad0. Ok with any disk as ad0 and any other as ad1. (2) as first master and (3) as second master are ok when booted under Win98. Any disk as ad0 and any other as ad2 under FreeBSD: as soon as I try to mount something from the ad2, I see continuos chain of complains: ad2: READ command timeout -resetting ata1: resetting devices done ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ... **Box (B): Ok with any combination of disks. If bios of (A) should be considered too old, then why Win98 gives more successful combinations, than FreeBSD? Note that second large master IS understood by Win98, but is NOT understood by FreeBSD (even if it has only ufs partitions). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:28: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tristo.netinc.ca (primary.2gen.net [209.240.46.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F3637B7D7 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@2Gen.net) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by tristo.netinc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11646 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael DeMutis X-Sender: mike@tristo.netinc.ca To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Upgrade Path from 2.2.2 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000404074518.032c5568@mail.sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This may seem like a silly question but I have a 2.2.2 FreeBSD Server that we're using as a mail server. What is the proper upgrade path to move this up to a 3.4 STABLE machine, and once I move to 3.x do I need to remove anything that would be redundant? -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:33:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from node11a94.a2000.nl (node11a94.a2000.nl [24.132.26.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E77137B604 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronald@node11a94.a2000.nl) Received: (qmail 537 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 12:33:15 -0000 Received: from dlanor.evertsen.nl (10.0.0.3) by node11a94.a2000.nl with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 12:33:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:33:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald Klop To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: question about XFree86 (2) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I forgot to mention I am running 4.0-RELEASE with XFree86 3.3.6. I saw one article about this error on the internet with had to do with the Advanced Power Management. But I don't have this on my computer. Not compiled in the kernel and no option in the BIOS to enable/disable this. -- Ronald Klop http://node11a94.a2000.nl/~ronald/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:36:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from loki.ideaglobal.com (loki.ideaglobal.com [194.36.20.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0987137B681; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kiril@loki.ideaglobal.com) Received: (from kiril@localhost) by loki.ideaglobal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10528; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:42:17 GMT (envelope-from kiril) From: Kiril Mitev Message-Id: <200004041242.MAA10528@loki.ideaglobal.com> Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004032055.QAA99540@server.baldwin.cx> from John Baldwin at "Apr 3, 2000 4:55:48 pm" To: jhb@FreeBSD.ORG (John Baldwin) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug@gorean.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Soon, we'll read, that one needs to follow this mailing lists to even > > use FreeBSD. This is wrong -- the original poster is not "tracking > > -stable", by which I mean regular rebuilds. He merely wanted to go from > > one release to another -- once. And did it the way he always did before, > > after consulting the same information sources he consulted before. > > I think that in that situation you should probably still read -stable. > However, the existence of UPDATING and its meaning wasn't communicated well > to the mass population of -stable users. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sort-of recall people screaming at the 2.2.x -> 3.0 upgrade time that the UPDATING file has no info in it ... And those people got a harsh flaming down for "consulting a file that is old and not maintained", yada yada yada ..... > The main reason is that UPDATING > is mainly useful for people running -current, as -current tends to have a > lot more bumps in the road that have to be worked around. However, 3.x > has also had an UPDATING file, albeit one that doesn't have much in it since > -stable really wasn't the original intended target, so UPDATING wasn't > completely hidden. > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ -- Kiril Mitev, IT Operations Mgr, London IDEAglobal.com Standard Corporate Disclaimer applies, see http://www.ideaglobal.com/email-disclaimer.html for details. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:38:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from infos1.casaccia.enea.it (INFOS1.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.71.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8832337B53B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poggif@casaccia.enea.it) Received: from studi7106 (STUDI7106.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.77.106]) by infos1.casaccia.enea.it (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10038; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:38:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404143808.0090f100@infos1.casaccia.enea.it> X-Sender: poggif@infos1.casaccia.enea.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:08 +0200 To: Ronald Klop From: Fabrizio Poggi Subject: Re: question about XFree86 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 14.27 04/04/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, > >I know this is not excactly the right place for this question, but I >already tried -questions, the mailarchive and searched the internet for >the topic. >I have an Alliance PM6422 SVGA card and XFree86 complains about 'Hung in >ApmSync()' when starting the xserver. I already tried a dozen different >configurations. Does anybody have experience with this card or error? > >Greetings, > >Ronald. > Hello, For my few experience and the suggestion of the people, can invite you to verify if your XFree86 is a 3.3.5 version (distributed with 3.4 CD). Many persons have problems (I also with a SiS6326) with that version. I've resolved installing the part of XFree86 3.3.6 required for my card (XF86_SVGA). All is good now. Regards, Fabrizio. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:41:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667E37B711 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA73566; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:41:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA20820; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000404083342.0340b948@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:38:26 -0500 To: Sergei Vyshenski From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.dk In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000404162656.007c5600@vivaldi> References: <4.2.2.20000404074518.032c5568@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000404150052.007c4710@vivaldi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the maintainer can shed light on it ? ---Mike At 04:26 PM 4/4/2000 +0400, Sergei Vyshenski wrote: > >It would make a fairly significant difference, if you actually posted some > >details about the hardware. Saying, "586" is kind of useless. Post the > >output of dmesg, and uname -a and sysctl hw.atamodes. > > > > ---Mike > > > >Please find info from box (A) with disks (2) and (3) as ad0 and ad2. >Initial message please find below. > >****dmesg:**** >Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. >Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, >1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights >reserved. >FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 >Timecounter >"i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz >Timecounter "TSC" frequency 99474317 Hz >CPU: >Pentium/P54C (99.47-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = >0x525 Stepping = 5 > Features=0x1bf >real >memory = 41943040 (40960K bytes) >avail memory = 38416384 (37516K >bytes) >Preloaded elf kernel "SCARLATTI" at 0xc027b000. >Intel Pentium >detected, installing workaround for F00F bug >npx0: on >motherboard >npx0: INT 16 interface >pcib0: on >motherboard >pci0: on pcib0 >isab0: bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0 >isa0: on isab0 >atapci0: ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq >14 on atapci0 >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 >ed0: (RealTek 8029)> port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 11 at device 20.0 on pci0 >ed0: >supplying EUI64: 00:40:95:ff:fe:42:e3:9d >ed0: address 00:40:95:42:e3:9d, >type NE2000 (16 bit) >fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 >irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 >fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >atkbdc0: > at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 >atkbd0: Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0 >vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df >iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >sc0: on isa0 >sc0: VGA <16 >virtual consoles, flags=0x200> >sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on >isa0 >sio0: type 16550A >sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 >sio1: type >16550A >sio2: configured irq 5 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >ppc0: > at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 >ppc0: Generic chipset >(EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode >ppi0: on ppbus0 >lpt0: > on ppbus0 >lpt0: Interrupt-driven port >IP packet filtering >initialized, divert disabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to >deny, logging limited to 200 packets/entry by default >ad0: 3815MB AC34000L> [7752/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 >ad2: 4172MB MPA3043AT> [9042/15/63] at ata1-master using WDMA2 >Mounting root from >ufs:/dev/ad0s2a >ed0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d >ed0: >DAD complete for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d - no duplicates found > >***uname -a: *** >FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 > >***sysctl hw.atamodes: *** >hw.atamodes: dma,---,dma,---, > >============================================================ >initial message follows >============================================================ >Fresh (and identical) 4.0-stable systems with support >for ata0 and ata1 were tried at: >(A) Intel-586 box >(B) Intel-686 box > >Tested were 3 large IDE disks: >(1) - fully occupied by FreeBSD >(2) and (3) - first half occupied by Win98, second by FreeBSD > >**Box (A): >Ok with any disk as ad0. >Ok with any disk as ad0 and any other as ad1. >(2) as first master and (3) as second master are ok when >booted under Win98. >Any disk as ad0 and any other as ad2 under FreeBSD: > as soon as I try to mount something from the ad2, I see > continuos chain of complains: > >ad2: READ command timeout -resetting >ata1: resetting devices done >ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA >... > >**Box (B): >Ok with any combination of disks. > >If bios of (A) should be considered too old, then why >Win98 gives more successful combinations, than FreeBSD? >Note that second large master IS understood by Win98, >but is NOT understood by FreeBSD (even if it has only ufs >partitions). > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:49:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A9E37B6CC for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00821; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004041249.IAA00821@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200004041242.MAA10528@loki.ideaglobal.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Kiril Mitev , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make world failed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Apr-00 Kiril Mitev wrote: > > > >> > Soon, we'll read, that one needs to follow this mailing lists to even >> > use FreeBSD. This is wrong -- the original poster is not "tracking >> > -stable", by which I mean regular rebuilds. He merely wanted to go from >> > one release to another -- once. And did it the way he always did before, >> > after consulting the same information sources he consulted before. >> >> I think that in that situation you should probably still read -stable. >> However, the existence of UPDATING and its meaning wasn't communicated well >> to the mass population of -stable users. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sort-of recall people screaming at the > 2.2.x -> 3.0 upgrade time that the UPDATING file has no info in it ... > And those people got a harsh flaming down for "consulting a file that > is old and not maintained", yada yada yada ..... You recall wrong: ---------------------------- revision 1.1 date: 1998/12/15 00:24:32; author: imp; state: Exp; This file contains minimal instructions for the moderately clueful to update their systems from prior versions of FreeBSD. It is only for November 18, 1998 and newer systems. If you have an older system, you are on your own. I'll update this from time to time, and if it shows signs of bitrot I'll kill it. ---------------------------- Please get your facts straight. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 5:49:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1275337B6CC for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00825; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:49:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004041249.IAA00825@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Michael DeMutis Subject: RE: Upgrade Path from 2.2.2 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Apr-00 Michael DeMutis wrote: > > This may seem like a silly question but I have a 2.2.2 FreeBSD Server that > we're using as a mail server. > > What is the proper upgrade path to move this up to a 3.4 STABLE machine, > and once I move to 3.x do I need to remove anything that would be > redundant? You are probably better off backing up your data and reinstalling and rebuilding the system. Upgrading really will be painful from 2.2.2 I'm afraid. > -mike -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6: 9: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (gw.pn.npi.msu.ru [193.232.127.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFDE37B6D8 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from scarlatti (scarlatti [195.208.223.16]) by vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e34D8Rp00825; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:08:27 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404170822.007baa00@vivaldi> X-Sender: svysh@vivaldi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:08:22 +0400 To: Mike Tancsa From: Sergei Vyshenski Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000404083342.0340b948@mail.sentex.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20000404162656.007c5600@vivaldi> <4.2.2.20000404074518.032c5568@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000404150052.007c4710@vivaldi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:38 04.04.00 -0500, you wrote: > >Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had > problems with the Fujitsus. Pair Caviar+Maxtor conducts the same way. >What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the >drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? Yes. >What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the >maintainer can shed light on it ? > > ---Mike > > >At 04:26 PM 4/4/2000 +0400, Sergei Vyshenski wrote: >> >It would make a fairly significant difference, if you actually posted some >> >details about the hardware. Saying, "586" is kind of useless. Post the >> >output of dmesg, and uname -a and sysctl hw.atamodes. >> > >> > ---Mike >> > >> >>Please find info from box (A) with disks (2) and (3) as ad0 and ad2. >>Initial message please find below. >> >>****dmesg:**** >>Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. >>Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, >>1989, 1991, 1993 >> The Regents of the University of California. All rights >>reserved. >>FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 >>Timecounter >>"i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz >>Timecounter "TSC" frequency 99474317 Hz >>CPU: >>Pentium/P54C (99.47-MHz 586-class CPU) >> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = >>0x525 Stepping = 5 >> Features=0x1bf >>real >>memory = 41943040 (40960K bytes) >>avail memory = 38416384 (37516K >>bytes) >>Preloaded elf kernel "SCARLATTI" at 0xc027b000. >>Intel Pentium >>detected, installing workaround for F00F bug >>npx0: on >>motherboard >>npx0: INT 16 interface >>pcib0: on >>motherboard >>pci0: on pcib0 >>isab0: >bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0 >>isa0: on isab0 >>atapci0: >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 >>ata0: at 0x1f0 irq >>14 on atapci0 >>ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 >>ed0: >(RealTek 8029)> port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 11 at device 20.0 on pci0 >>ed0: >>supplying EUI64: 00:40:95:ff:fe:42:e3:9d >>ed0: address 00:40:95:42:e3:9d, >>type NE2000 (16 bit) >>fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 >>irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 >>fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >>atkbdc0: >> at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 >>atkbd0: >Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0 >>vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df >>iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >>sc0: on isa0 >>sc0: VGA <16 >>virtual consoles, flags=0x200> >>sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on >>isa0 >>sio0: type 16550A >>sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 >>sio1: type >>16550A >>sio2: configured irq 5 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >>ppc0: >> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 >>ppc0: Generic chipset >>(EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode >>ppi0: on ppbus0 >>lpt0: >> on ppbus0 >>lpt0: Interrupt-driven port >>IP packet filtering >>initialized, divert disabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to >>deny, logging limited to 200 packets/entry by default >>ad0: 3815MB >AC34000L> [7752/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 >>ad2: 4172MB >MPA3043AT> [9042/15/63] at ata1-master using WDMA2 >>Mounting root from >>ufs:/dev/ad0s2a >>ed0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d >>ed0: >>DAD complete for fe80:0001::0240:95ff:fe42:e39d - no duplicates found >> >>***uname -a: *** >>FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 29 14:26:29 MSD 2000 >> >>***sysctl hw.atamodes: *** >>hw.atamodes: dma,---,dma,---, >> >>============================================================ >>initial message follows >>============================================================ >>Fresh (and identical) 4.0-stable systems with support >>for ata0 and ata1 were tried at: >>(A) Intel-586 box >>(B) Intel-686 box >> >>Tested were 3 large IDE disks: >>(1) - fully occupied by FreeBSD >>(2) and (3) - first half occupied by Win98, second by FreeBSD >> >>**Box (A): >>Ok with any disk as ad0. >>Ok with any disk as ad0 and any other as ad1. >>(2) as first master and (3) as second master are ok when >>booted under Win98. >>Any disk as ad0 and any other as ad2 under FreeBSD: >> as soon as I try to mount something from the ad2, I see >> continuos chain of complains: >> >>ad2: READ command timeout -resetting >>ata1: resetting devices done >>ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA >>... >> >>**Box (B): >>Ok with any combination of disks. >> >>If bios of (A) should be considered too old, then why >>Win98 gives more successful combinations, than FreeBSD? >>Note that second large master IS understood by Win98, >>but is NOT understood by FreeBSD (even if it has only ufs >>partitions). >> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6: 9:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A2937B6EB for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cT55-000D9P-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:09:19 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07006; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:09:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:09:19 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Michel TALON Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time Message-ID: <20000404140919.A6969@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> <20000404104236.B310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000404104236.B310@lpthe.jussieu.fr>; from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:42:36AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:42:36AM +0200, Michel TALON wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 08:34:37PM -0400, Colin wrote: > > Had you booted the Win side first, then the FreeBSD side, you would have > > seen FreeBSD trying to move the clock ahead "2" hours. It knows it hasn't moved > > the time ahead yet so it adds 1 hour to the current BIOS time, which had > > already been moved ahead by the previous OS boot. > > You'll see this behaviour on any dual boot system. > > > > I have observed exactly the opposite. I think i installed my laptop > saying that the correct time was on the cmos clock. Then when i > booted freebsd, no time adjustment was done. After that i booted Win > who adjusted the cmos clock. Rebooting freebsd, the time was correct. > So all this depends how you have installed freebsd. Unfortunately > i have not been able to find the command line tool to adjust this. IIRC, i tried using ntpdate, and that did it pretty easily. > > -- > > Michel TALON > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org Dear Microsoft: "Your tyranny i was part of, is now cracking on every side Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6:12:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294C537B61A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cT7g-000DNK-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:12:00 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07033; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:12:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:12:00 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: a2i support account Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "dangerously dedicated" Message-ID: <20000404141200.B6969@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000404101316.6F8A899EA0@waltz.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000404101316.6F8A899EA0@waltz.rahul.net>; from support@rahul.net on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 03:13:16AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 03:13:16AM -0700, a2i support account wrote: > Vivek Khera writes: > > >So I guess I'll just go away because > >it is way to hostile around here. > > Here is my algorithm, which has worked so far on a number of machines: > > 1. Set the disk type in the BIOS to be NORMAL. > 2. Install FreeBSD 'dangerously dedicated'. > 3. If it hangs at boot time, don't reinstall, simply > go into the BIOS and change the disk type to be LBA. Reboot. > > Only if the above fails should you fall back to reinstalling with a > partition table. I did a dangerously dedicated install on my laptop, and then after reading these posts i got concerned. But so far i have not had any problems. Of course, i won't be installing windows again, either. ;-) jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org Dear Microsoft: "Your tyranny i was part of, is now cracking on every side Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6:22:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BC437C297 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA87696; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:22:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200004041322.PAA87696@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000404083342.0340b948@mail.sentex.net> from Mike Tancsa at "Apr 4, 2000 08:38:26 am" To: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:22:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru (Sergei Vyshenski), freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems > with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the > drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the > maintainer can shed light on it ? > >atapci0: >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 > >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq > >14 on atapci0 > >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade your BIOS ?? -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6:33:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9908B37B61A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA12654; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:32:44 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda12652; Tue Apr 4 06:32:40 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA73570; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdc73568; Tue Apr 4 06:31:46 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA63708; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004041331.GAA63708@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdg63704; Tue Apr 4 06:31:00 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Mark Skurzynski Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "could not map memory" In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:58:50 EST." <38E557DA.31465732@lomag.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:31:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38E557DA.31465732@lomag.net>, Mark Skurzynski writes: > Hi, > > I've built a new server here, and installed fresh copy of > FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE (from Cheap*Bytes). Upon booting, I get this error: > > fxp0: at device 9.0 on pci0 > fxp0: could not map memory > device_probe_and_attach: fxp0 attach returned 6 Try disabling all other NIC drivers in your kernel. You can do this by building a new kernel or by doing a boot -c. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6:35:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from email.spcgroup.nl (mail.spc.nl [193.79.3.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C420937B6CC for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e.mons@spcgroup.nl) Received: from spcgroup.nl (firewall.spcgroup.nl [193.79.3.33]) by email.spcgroup.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19022; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:34:56 +0200 Message-ID: <38E9EFE2.7F62E91E@spcgroup.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:36:34 +0200 From: Edwin Mons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics References: <200004041322.PAA87696@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems > > with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the > > drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the > > maintainer can shed light on it ? > > > >atapci0: > >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 > > >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq > > >14 on atapci0 > > >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > > The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to > support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be > sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a > BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the > DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade > your BIOS ?? I've seen similar problems with a machine with an old VIA chipset. FWIW: I think we need a way to tell the kernel before booting that it shouldn't even try to use DMA/UDMA. Something like the good old device flags.. Regards, Edwin Mons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 6:47:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D85837B801 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA12698; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:47:44 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda12696; Tue Apr 4 06:47:41 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA73652; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdi73650; Tue Apr 4 06:46:47 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA63809; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004041346.GAA63809@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpda63803; Tue Apr 4 06:46:05 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: ian j hart Cc: "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: dd reading atapi cdrom In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 01 Apr 2000 03:07:02 +0100." <38E559C6.7F5979D3@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:46:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38E559C6.7F5979D3@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk>, ian j hart writes: > I'm used to doing this > > #dd if=/dev/acd0c of=image > > [followed by vnconfig, mount, share using samba] > > This fails under 4.0-STABLE. The error message is Bad address. No data > is transfered. This is reprodusable on three machines. Also fails on > LS120, without error message. > > Am I doing something stupid. Don't answer that! Has anyone got a work > around/better method. Compressing the file would be nice :-) Try using the raw device. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 7:15: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD68837B9AA for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04530; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Tobias Roth Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Package creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys, > > "One should use one as soon as someone writes such a thing" is > > probably what the man page should actually say. :) Jordan - what happened to the frontend that was developed for the X desktop contest thingy a couple years ago? Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8: 8:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B3C37BAAF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA41752; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:08:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:08:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Michel TALON Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <20000404103655.A310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michel TALON wrote: > I have upgraded from source yesterday to 4.0-Stable following the nice > instructions at the beginning of UPDATING and everything turned out fine. > Congratulations to the developpers and particularly to W. Losh for its > addenda to UPGRADING. However, i am reading the stable mailing list and > was aware that several people had screwed their machine doing this upgrade. > Two weeks ago, the instructions in UPGRADING were everything except clear. > So, as is often the case one needs to wait a little bit that several people > run into trouble before plunging in the game. This is unfortunate, because > it means that ordinary users (not following CURRENT) cannot test the > candidate release as soon as possible, thereby detecting unusual bugs without > risking very much. Had the correct and detailed explanations been written > a month ago, it would have been very possible. > > -- > > Michel TALON > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78F937B64D for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA41792; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:12:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:12:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Michel TALON Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time In-Reply-To: <20000404104236.B310@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The binary you want is... adjkerntz Just look at the man page for instructions. It adjusts the CMOS clock, although I have never used it. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michel TALON wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 08:34:37PM -0400, Colin wrote: > > Had you booted the Win side first, then the FreeBSD side, you would have > > seen FreeBSD trying to move the clock ahead "2" hours. It knows it hasn't moved > > the time ahead yet so it adds 1 hour to the current BIOS time, which had > > already been moved ahead by the previous OS boot. > > You'll see this behaviour on any dual boot system. > > > > I have observed exactly the opposite. I think i installed my laptop > saying that the correct time was on the cmos clock. Then when i > booted freebsd, no time adjustment was done. After that i booted Win > who adjusted the cmos clock. Rebooting freebsd, the time was correct. > So all this depends how you have installed freebsd. Unfortunately > i have not been able to find the command line tool to adjust this. > > -- > > Michel TALON > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8:17:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F9537B739 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA53364; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38EA0784.AF85CF8@thehousleys.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:17:24 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > Nice page. But # cd /usr/obj # rm -rf * # chflags -R noschg * # rm -rf * Has been mentioned to be faster on most systems, yes it produces error messages about not being able to remove some files. Jim -- The wise man built his network upon U*nx. The foolish man built his network upon Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8:20:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CE237BB41 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA53413; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:20:41 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? Jim -- The wise man built his network upon U*nx. The foolish man built his network upon Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC02937BAB1 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7347E881 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30976; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14570.3246.710186.565760@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> References: <002601bf9dbe$6573d3e0$45e346c6@demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "S" == Southwell writes: S> GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider S> to post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put S> stuff through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless Pretty bold request from someone who includes an attachment in the very same email complaining about them... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 8:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00D237B8A2 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16651; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:49:57 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Michael Robinson Cc: brennan@offwhite.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: journaling fs Message-ID: <20000404084957.A16154@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000403132828.A28633@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <200004040541.NAA65851@netrinsics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200004040541.NAA65851@netrinsics.com>; from robinson@netrinsics.com on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 01:41:46PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 01:41:46PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote: > Brooks Davis writes: > >Journaling is only one solution to > >this problem. Most of the features you will typicaly see attributed to > >a JFS have nothing to do with journaling. What most people seem to want > >from a JFS is buzzword compliance. > > What I want most from a JFS is the ability to do reliable backups while > running production services, like I can do with Veritas' file system > snapshots. This is also something Kirk is working on for UFS. Journeling is not the only way to acomplish this. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 9:40:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A43537BA3F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93008; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA69592; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:39:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004041639.KAA69592@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Weeks Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:02:22 EDT." References: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:39:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : > It is time to put in the Propellerheads and chill with a some good tunes. i've used the following image http://www.village.org/~imp/propeller.gif on my website for years. The picture was taken in 92 using the then newfangled frame grabber attached to a Solbourne S4000 via some funky sbus card. Now, where did I set down my Stout. Or was I drinking Porter? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 9:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A18D37BA3F; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93017; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA69615; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004041642.KAA69615@harmony.village.org> To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Brennan W Stehling , Andy Farkas , remorse code , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:33:44 BST." <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:42:10 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Nik Clayton writes: : If you (or anyone else reading this) wants to step forward and maintain : either of these files, please yell now. For example, /usr/src/UPDATING : is currently empty in 3-stable because no one's volunteered to maintain : it. I have some entries in my mailbox for the 3.x version of UPDATING. I'll see about getting them committed. : However, at certain times, in *both* trees, you might need to jump through : more hoops than that. The hoops differ depending on where you're coming : from, and where you're going to. UPDATING aims to list all those hoops : (and this is dynamic information, which makes it less suitable for the : Handbook). Yes. Also, for -current's UPDATING I specifically keep things short and to the point, lest I encourage people to follow -current who don't have the skills, time or patience that is required of -current. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 9:48: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102AA37B84A; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B111A1F39D; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:51:44 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004041642.KAA69615@harmony.village.org> References: <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <200004041642.KAA69615@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:47:33 +0200 To: Warner Losh , Nik Clayton From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Brennan W Stehling , Andy Farkas , remorse code , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:42 AM -0600 2000/4/4, Warner Losh wrote: > Yes. Also, for -current's UPDATING I specifically keep things short > and to the point, lest I encourage people to follow -current who don't > have the skills, time or patience that is required of -current. Unfortunately, this may come back to bite you when -CURRENT becomes -STABLE. Funny, it's always the edge conditions that tend to cause the most problems. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 9:48:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AE937B6E3 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93059; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA69682; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004041648.KAA69682@harmony.village.org> To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Cc: FreeBSD Stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:12:00 PDT." References: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:48:07 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Randy Bush writes: : i did a buildworld and : : cd /usr/src : [**] : make buildworld : cd sbin/mknod : make install : cd sys/modules : make install : : We've upgraded the instructions a little. The above now says: To build a kernel ----------------- cd /usr/src # If you have not already done so, please buildworld here make buildkernel KERNEL= make installkernel KERNEL= # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as # /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE chflags noschg /kernel mv /kernel /kernel.old mv /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE /kernel chflags schg /kernel which avoids the libc.so.4.0 problem you ran into. : # SCSI peripherals : #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) : #device da # Direct Access (disks) : device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) : #device cd # CD : device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) commenting out "required" devices generally is a bad idea :-). That's likely the root of your problem. You need to have scbus in your kernel to deal properly with having the ahc driver, the pass driver and the sa driver. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 9:56:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8BF37B70B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93099; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA69746; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004041655.KAA69746@harmony.village.org> To: Michael DeMutis Subject: Re: Upgrade Path from 2.2.2 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:41:26 EDT." References: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:55:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Michael DeMutis writes: [[ Moving 2.2.2 -> 3.4 stable ]] I've done this once, and it was a while ago so my memory may be flagging. I first did a source upgrade to 2.2.6 (the latest -stable of the time, you'll likely want to get the end of the RELNG_2_2 branch). Then, I did a buildworld/installworld (or maybe it was still called make world then). I also upgraded my kernel. I then upgraded my sources to 3.0. There was a special target in that makefile. Make aout-to-elf I think it was. I read the src/Makefile to find it, ran through the process to get an elf system. Once I had that, I upgraded to 3.2-stable (the latest stable at the time, just before 3.3 came out) and did a make buildworld/installworld and then upgraded my kernel. I then sold all the hoops I'd jumped through on the second hand market for a lot of money. Sadly this was a mere fraction of the price I paid for them :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 10: 0:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DFC37B9F3 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cWgl-000EXb-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:00:27 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge References: <200004041648.KAA69682@harmony.village.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:00:27 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> # SCSI peripherals >> #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) >> #device da # Direct Access (disks) >> device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) >> #device cd # CD >> device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) > > commenting out "required" devices generally is a bad idea>-). like hell! i demand a full refund! randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 10: 2: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6737BAF8 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA93126; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA69797; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004041701.LAA69797@harmony.village.org> To: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:47:33 +0200." References: <20000404013344.B40974@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <200004041642.KAA69615@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:01:14 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Brad Knowles writes: : Unfortunately, this may come back to bite you when -CURRENT : becomes -STABLE. : : Funny, it's always the edge conditions that tend to cause the : most problems. ;-) It did take a few iterations of the IMPS[*] protocol to get things summarized for the leap from 3.4 -> 4.0. I had never intended UPDATING for -stable users, but was quickly convinced of its need so I put something there so that the "settlers" could learn from the "pioneers" in doing these sorts of things. Warner [*] see RFC 2795 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 11:31:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11C937B6C2; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-20.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.20]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17374; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:31:36 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <003201bf9e63$e37f87c0$14e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Attachments request Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:09:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just wanted to say thanks to all those who pointed out the inconsistenecy of asking all you guys to refrain from using attachments whilst sending out emails in HTML with a Gif attached......my only excuse is that I have moved half way over the world and do not yet have a bsd system up and running :-) - waiting for the new 4.00 CDs to arrive .. any day now I hope. I really appreciated the light hearted and friendly emails sent to my own email address.. thanks guys. > Kris Kennaway wrote --.> Attachments are often useful for distributing files (patches, program > logs) with email. I agree with you Kris and I feel I should have pointed that out with my original request. My main objection surrounds those who do not put the substanstance of their message in the main email but provide you with a subject line - no introduction and you therefore get blind attachments.. Such postings exhibit, IMHO, discourtesy and I would rather people refrained from that practice. Certainly attachments are very appropriate for the sort of things you mention. > I understand that for whatever reason some people can't use FreeBSD to > read their email, but this _is_ a FreeBSD list and I don't think we should > worry too much about catering to other platforms. This is another point which you could regard as being subsidiary to the main issue. I am not certain that I would agree with you here for three reasons. The first is a general one, and one that you might regard as irrelevant but I do not. I feel we need not disregard anyone's legitimate concerns. I also feel a need to be very welcoming to people who may (for example) be subscribing to the list as part of a learning exercise prior to installing freebsd. They are going to be very put off if they find people behaving in a manner they find to be either intolerant or inconsiderate. The second reason is that such an approach is somewhat inconsistent with the proclaimed notion that it is sensible to track this list prior to installing freebsd.By definition that would be done from some other platform. Thirdly freebsd users might want to track the list using some other OS if their system is down and they can`t fix it. They may want to use "some other lousy OS" or mailer to ask for help. And that poor unfortunate sould could be any one of us some day. So my plea is - can we, on those grounds at least, err on the side of being inclusive in our thinking rather than exclusive. David In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate or emails without attachments (unless needed as described above) :-) !! :-) (perhaps!) with apologies to -- Charles Forsythe and giving full credit to Kris David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 11:53:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274C437B525 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cXEk-0000d0-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:35:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:35:34 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: John Saunders Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: DNS/host file in 4.0-STABLE Message-ID: <20000404183534.A1760@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <01d901bf9de1$76940dc0$4ab511cb@scitec.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <01d901bf9de1$76940dc0$4ab511cb@scitec.com.au>; from John Saunders on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:57:05PM +1000 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:57:05PM +1000, John Saunders wrote: > While setting up a local named as a cache I came across some strange > behaviour in name lookups. It doesn't seem to consult the hosts file. Have a look at your /etc/host.conf. There should be a line which reads 'hosts' preceeding 'bind'. Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12: 4:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6DF37B67A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA34450 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:03:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Message-ID: <026c01bf9e68$85240160$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: Subject: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:03:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just switched from a 4.0-CURRENT system (from around January) and switched to openssh. I see this now when I attempt to ssh into the new system: Apr 4 13:34:29 blackbox2 sshd[68876]: Generating new 768 bit RSA key. Apr 4 13:34:30 blackbox2 sshd[68876]: RSA key generation complete. Apr 4 13:58:11 blackbox2 sshd[96835]: fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed. Apr 4 13:58:11 blackbox2 sshd[96835]: fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed. From the client side: vic# ssh -l steve blackbox2 Connection closed by remote host. I'm sure I just missed something obvious during the upgrade process. I did clear out any references to rsaref and ssh that were in /usr/local prior to doing the buildworld. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12: 9:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48D537B73E; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA34089; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Steven E. Ames" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) In-Reply-To: <026c01bf9e68$85240160$851a050a@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > vic# ssh -l steve blackbox2 > Connection closed by remote host. > > I'm sure I just missed something obvious during the upgrade process. I > did clear out any references to rsaref and ssh that were in /usr/local > prior to doing the buildworld. What does ssh -v tell you? Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:10:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phb.avic.dk (phb.avic.dk [194.234.178.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A1537B9A1 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jens@fallesen.dk) Received: from fallesen.dk (ADSL.avic.dk [213.237.11.1]) by phb.avic.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/PHB/11[AntiSpam]) with ESMTP id VAA13907 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <38EA3E18.BBD4E8CA@fallesen.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:10:16 +0200 From: Jens Fallesen Organization: AVIC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: da, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: More HP CD-RW problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Thanks to those of you who pointed out to me how MAKEDEV actually works. Things are now much better, except that I cannot fixate my CDs. When I try to burn a CD, this is what happens: dilbert:/home/jf/cd# burncd -f /dev/acd1c -s 2 -e data v4demo.cd fixate next writeable LBA 0 writing from file visio2000demo.cd size 282638 KB written this track 282638 KB (100%) total 282638 KB fixating CD, please wait.. burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCCLOSEDISK): Input/output error dilbert:/home/jf/cd# The console displays this: acd1: CLOSE_TRACK/SESSION - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 acd1: PREVENT_ALLOW - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 This happens no matter what speed I choose (1, 2, or 4). My dmesg has this information about the system: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #6: Wed Mar 22 17:11:19 CET 2000 jf@dilbert.avic.dk:/usr/src/sys/compile/DILBERT Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (497.84-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x672 Stepping = 2 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 127078400 (124100K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02fb000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02fb09c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 pci0: (vendor=0x127a, dev=0x1002) at 3.0 irq 3 pcm0: port 0x10b8-0x10bf,0x10b0-0x10b7 mem 0x41000000-0x4101ffff irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci0 pcm0: irq test failed pcm0: codec timeout reading register 2 (fe4c00) pcm0: codec timeout reading register 26 (fe4c00) pcm0: ac97 codec reports dac not ready dc0: port 0x1000-0x107f mem 0x41400000-0x414003ff irq 11 at device 18.0 on pci0 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:50:8b:4b:69:f7 miibus0: on dc0 dcphy0: on miibus0 dcphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: (vendor=0x104c, dev=0x8009) at 19.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 20.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x10a0-0x10af at device 20.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 20.2 irq 11 chip1: port 0xee80-0xee8f at device 20.3 on pci0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ad0: 12893MB [26197/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 afd0: 96MB [96/64/32] at ata0-slave using PIO3 acd0: DVD-ROM at ata1-master using PIO4 acd1: CD-RW at ata1-slave using PIO3 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a Can anybody point me in the right direction here? -- Jens Fallesen O- Hedegaardsvej 41 st th, 2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark Phone: (+45) 32 86 18 99 * Fax: (+45) 32 86 17 99 CCIE #5470 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:14:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B266A37B77A; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA34580; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do acregmin, acregmax, acdirmin, acdirmax work as documented In-Reply-To: <20000404081649.158557C2C@yellow.rahul.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > I could of course do that. But I am afraid that a month or two later > you will, or soembody else will, tell me that 3.4 or 4.0 are too > unreliable to be used and I should use 3.5 or 4.x instead. And so on. > And I then I will be so busy upgrading I will never get any real work > done. Well, thats a somewhat spurious argument. 4.0-R *does* demonstrably fix a lot of NFS bugs, so there's a chance that by using the old, buggy code you'll one day run into problems with your NFS server which you'll spend all your time trying to fix and never get any real work done. Or perhaps it will just silently trash your data :-) It's the nature of an active software project that things often get better if you use a newer version :-) > And besides, the attribute cache is supposed to be on the client only, > not on the server, and the client is already running 3.4-STABLE. I don't know about this. Try talking to Alfred Perlstein (alfred@freebsd.org) or Matt Dillon (dillon@freebsd.org) who are two people who know the NFS code well. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:17:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFA737B864 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA36328; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Message-ID: <029f01bf9e6a$7025f140$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: "Mike Tancsa" Cc: References: <3.0.5.32.20000404150559.02cb5a10@marble.sentex.ca> Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:17:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At 02:03 PM 4/4/00 -0500, Steven E. Ames wrote: > >I'm sure I just missed something obvious during the upgrade process. I > >did clear out any references to rsaref and ssh that were in /usr/local > >prior to doing the buildworld. > > Did you reinstall the appropriate rsa lib out of the ports ? Also, does > /etc/ssh exist ? What about the USA_RESIDENT in /etc/make.conf ? Hrm... /etc/ssh exists and looks good. USA_RESIDENT is set to 'YES'. I wasn't aware that I needed to install RSAREF from ports as that would imply that the source tree required a port to work? -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:20: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F2E37B7D6; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA36652; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Message-ID: <02af01bf9e6a$c30a5720$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: References: Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:19:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > > > vic# ssh -l steve blackbox2 > > Connection closed by remote host. > > > > I'm sure I just missed something obvious during the upgrade process. I > > did clear out any references to rsaref and ssh that were in /usr/local > > prior to doing the buildworld. > > What does ssh -v tell you? blackbox2# ssh -v SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. Compiled with SSL. And then of course the list of available command line options (one of which says to use -V and not -v *shrug*). -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:36:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCABB37B6E1 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA42855 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:36:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:36:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: swapping servers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, perhaps mucking up my machine was a good thing. I was liking it at home box too much when I originally built it to replace my old server which is a little under powered right now. I have an UltraWide SCSI drive in it with a 20 gig IDE drive in it for mass storage. I was also given another 30 gigs by a friend who would like access to use the box as well. It also has a faster processor than the current server. It will help me when dealing with more cryptography and java issues since that had been a bogging down the server in the past. The old box also needs a fresh install since I feel some librararies are conflicting and I am unable to do a clean build on the live server. What I plan on doing is installing FreeBSD 4.0 along with all the goods that are on the current server and making the boxes as close to identical as possible... then quickly swap out the old box and install the new box. (shutdown, boot up) This will be a totally clean install. I will install FreeBSD RELEASE and do a "make buildworld" for STABLE and install a STABLE kernel. Are there any caveats that I would be aware of before going ahead with this plan? Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:38: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B24437B73E; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA37587; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Steven E. Ames" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) In-Reply-To: <02af01bf9e6a$c30a5720$851a050a@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > And then of course the list of available command line options (one of > which says to use -V and not -v *shrug*). Oops, I meant -V Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:38:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB2C37B6F1; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA37695; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Steven E. Ames" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) In-Reply-To: <02af01bf9e6a$c30a5720$851a050a@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > > What does ssh -v tell you? > > blackbox2# ssh -v > SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. > Compiled with SSL. > > And then of course the list of available command line options (one of > which says to use -V and not -v *shrug*). No, I did mean -v. -V displays the version string above. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:40:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E44237B8D6; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA37859; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Steven E. Ames" Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) In-Reply-To: <029f01bf9e6a$7025f140$851a050a@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > Hrm... /etc/ssh exists and looks good. USA_RESIDENT is set to 'YES'. I > wasn't aware that I needed to install RSAREF from ports as that would > imply that the source tree required a port to work? I need to improve the error message (it will show up when you run ssh -v, but not in normal operation) which points you to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html and explains what you need to do to fix it (please read the above, but chances are you just need to install the rsaref port). Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:44:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D9437B9A1 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA34954; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:44:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA82210; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404154057.02e60d20@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:40:57 -0400 To: "Steven E. Ames" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Cc: In-Reply-To: <029f01bf9e6a$7025f140$851a050a@winstar.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000404150559.02cb5a10@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:17 PM 4/4/00 -0500, Steven E. Ames wrote: >Hrm... /etc/ssh exists and looks good. USA_RESIDENT is set to 'YES'. I >wasn't aware that I needed to install RSAREF from ports as that would >imply that the source tree required a port to work? Yes, I believe you do. Thats where you get the appropriate crypto libs from. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 12:54:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F837B7BD for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:54:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-26.delaware.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.59.26] helo=freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12cZP2-0000ln-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:54:21 +0100 Message-ID: <38EA48C0.D557339@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:55:45 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: dd reading atapi cdrom References: <200004041346.GAA63809@cwsys.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to everyone who replied. bs=2048 does the trick -- ianjhart Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <38E559C6.7F5979D3@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk>, ian j hart > writes: > > I'm used to doing this > > > > #dd if=/dev/acd0c of=image > > > > [followed by vnconfig, mount, share using samba] > > > > This fails under 4.0-STABLE. The error message is Bad address. No data > > is transfered. This is reprodusable on three machines. Also fails on > > LS120, without error message. > > > > Am I doing something stupid. Don't answer that! Has anyone got a work > > around/better method. Compressing the file would be nice :-) > > Try using the raw device. > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13: 6:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2980837B56F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 6943 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Apr 2000 20:09:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:09:06 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404220906.K53658@cage.tse-online.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Brennan, On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Once again I get flamed. sorry. But I think you're a little oversensitive regarding the previous reactions to your messages. Furthermore you're showing a certain kind of ignorance against the advices concerning 'tracking -stable' in the handbook (which is a prominent part of www.freebsd.org). > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > on the site. a) You knew beforehand, that you would be switching to a new major release. b) Obviously you were tracking RELENG_3, weren't you? > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the > upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. May I cite from the handbook, section 18.2.2.3. "Using FreeBSD-stable"? 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list [...]. This will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or any other issues requiring special attention. [...] 4. Before compiling stable, read the Makefile in /usr/src carefully. [...] Reading the FreeBSD-stable mailing list [...] will keep you up-to-date onother bootstrapping procedures that sometimes become necessary as we move towards the next release. > So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful > upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? Yes. Just because you were lucky in choosing just the right points of time to do your intermediate upgrades (leading to painless upgrades despite of ignoring the documentation), it doesn't mean, that you'll always have success with this attitude. > Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new > instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact > remains, Yes. You should have done so, definately. > the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did > read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, > but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. The documentation for 'make world' (right in the second sentence of 18.4. Using make world) states: "Take a backup: I cannot stress highly enough ..." And a few lines downwards, once againg "Subscribe to the right mailing list". > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. The handbook states multiple times, that subscribing to the appropriate mailing list is a prerequisite for tracking one of the FreeBSD-branches. > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. According to the 'official FreeBSD documentation' exactly the wrong thing to do. -Andreas -- User acceptance test? - I'm 7'1" 320lbs. They except me or I eat their children. (as outlined in our terms of service) -- Matt "Trollboy" Wiseman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13: 9:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horizon.barak-online.net (horizon.barak.net.il [206.49.94.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CF937B673 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bk532@iname.com) Received: from localhost.local.net ([212.150.12.41]) by horizon.barak-online.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA23724 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:08:36 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <38EA1067.F7195F45@iname.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:55:20 +0200 From: Boris Karnaukh Organization: Private person X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4-STABLE buildworld fails. References: <38E90C22.EA79A99@intercom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jason J. Horton" wrote: > Actually, a few files in that directory look odd: > # ls -l /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ > total 0 [...] > c--xr--r-x 1 1836216166 1718558835 115, 0x61200074 Dec 4 2023 > signal.c > > Trying to delete the files are a pain, need to specify no* to chflags. > And every time I successfully delete a single file, the system reboots. > Hopefully once they are all gone, I will have no more problems like > this. Before you try to clean that filesystem, remount it with nodev option. -- Boris Karnaukh (mailto:bk532@iname.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:10:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400C337B77C; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seames@winstar.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01540; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:10:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seames@winstar.com) Message-ID: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: "Mike Tancsa" , References: Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:10:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Steven E. Ames wrote: > > > Hrm... /etc/ssh exists and looks good. USA_RESIDENT is set to 'YES'. I > > wasn't aware that I needed to install RSAREF from ports as that would > > imply that the source tree required a port to work? > > I need to improve the error message (it will show up when you run ssh -v, > but not in normal operation) which points you to > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html and explains what you need > to do to fix it (please read the above, but chances are you just need to > install the rsaref port). that got it. Thanks for the quick response. Side topic... anyone know what the licensing fee is to get a commercial copy of RSA for OpenSSH? I've got some potentially commercial applications that I'd like to run on it... -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:14: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B414137B77C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29131; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:13:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Warner Losh Cc: Michael DeMutis , FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Upgrade Path from 2.2.2 In-Reply-To: <200004041655.KAA69746@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: >[[ Moving 2.2.2 -> 3.4 stable ]] > >I've done this once, and it was a while ago so my memory may be >flagging. Hehe, memories. I first made that RELENG_2_2 transition directly to HEAD when HEAD was 3.0-CURRENT and I ran the very first iterations of the SMP code on one of my boxen. I was still a.out in that version of 3.0 as well. Later on going to elf on that box was hell. But to help Mike, the point of this thread, the instructions for making that transition IIRC are covered pretty thoroughly in src/UPDATING. You'll want to read that thoroughly before you proceed. Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:19:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.cup.edu (oberon.cup.edu [158.83.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDD7F37B916 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rad2921@cup.edu) Received: from radigan ([209.114.157.64]) by duncan.cup.edu with SMTP for stable@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:17:54 -0400 From: "Tim Radigan" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:16:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:20: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E803237B916; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26164; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:19:18 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: "Steven E. Ames" Cc: Kris Kennaway , Mike Tancsa , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Message-ID: <20000404131918.A23888@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com>; from seames@winstar.com on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 03:10:18PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 03:10:18PM -0500, Steven E. Ames wrote: > > that got it. Thanks for the quick response. Side topic... anyone know > what the licensing fee is to get a commercial copy of RSA for OpenSSH? > I've got some potentially commercial applications that I'd like to run > on it... The word on the street is that they are unavailable at any price. Apparently one of the companies who as owned RSA once said something to the effect that the easiest way for then to get a license was to buy RSA outright. Only 6-7 months until it doesn't matter anymore though. (I can never remember the date and people keep reporting conflicting things.) -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:35:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CD937B7FF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA63743; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:19:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:19:11 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: David Murphy Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404171911.A60317@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <00040400022200.20912@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> <03d301bf9de6$4f694080$0200000a@dinternet.dyn.ml.org> <20000404105255.A4751@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000404105255.A4751@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:52:55AM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:52:55AM +0000, David Murphy wrote: > Isn't it obvious? It could be made more clear by saying: > > "those who wish to use -stable / -current (ie upgrade via source) MUST > read the -stable and -current mailing lists. upgrading from source is > not advised for newbies or people that are not willing to put in the > time to read [or at least skim] the mailing list" > > Which clearly implies that one needs to read the last 6 months worth > of the -stable/-current mailing list archives. Please go to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html If you think it needs it, please submit a patch that makes the warnings in that section clearer. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:37: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB1D37B8F9 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA63982; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:21:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:21:05 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: James Housley Cc: Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404172105.B60317@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net>; from jim@thehousleys.net on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 11:20:41AM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 11:20:41AM -0400, James Housley wrote: > Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > > Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is > that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? Dunno, as I don't run -current here (that chunk of text is 'tacitly' mine -- I certainly have no objections to others updating it however). If you've got real world experience that can be used to update the text then pleae, *please* submit it. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:42:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77237B77C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for stable@freebsd.org id 12ca9j-000KZJ-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:35 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09693 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:23:22 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: rough doc patch Message-ID: <20000404142322.A7059@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just a thought for some documentation to be inserted somewhere in the handbook to reduce some confusion. Note to new users: Do not be misled. While staying up to date via cvsup is simple, upgrading across major revisions is not. Due to major changes between revisions, the procedure may become decidedly more complex. The suggestion is to monitor -stable a few weeks before performing the upgrade. It might even be worth monitoring -current before the release becomes official. However, be advised that upgrading from source is NOT for the faint of heart. Upgrading in binary mode via sysinstall is the preferred method for newcomers to FreeBSD. Otherwise, you may face complications, and these may even require reinstalling your system from scratch. However, if you decide to perform the upgrade via source, it might be good to watch -stable for a few weeks after the release, just to see what glitches others have run into. PLEASE do this for your own good. It may save you a great deal of grief farther down the line. NOTE: major upgrades often have special instructions which may even be modified from time to time after the release is made. These are usually found in /src/UPDATING, but revisions are often posted to -stable. They are also VERY important, and could mean the difference between a seamless upgrade and a nightmare of reinstalls and lost data. Proceed with caution. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: Your tyranny that you aspire, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:48:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B365D37BAB9 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09569; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004042048.NAA09569@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: from Brennan W Stehling at "Apr 3, 0 02:53:45 pm" To: brennan@offwhite.net (Brennan W Stehling) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I > have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. There are a couple of projects underway, though I think they are either being done in concert with the Linux guys or are planned ports of the Linux stuff when it's completed. Plus SGI's promise to OpenSource its journaling file system should offer yet another path when it happens. > fsck is just so slow, especially when my drives tend to get so much > larger than before. I have a new 30 gigger and running and fsck on > that will take a long time. If it ever falls hard it will take > forever to reboot. One of the designers of UFS back at Berkeley has been working on enhancements that should eliminate the very long fsck runs. Perhaps you've seen reference to "softupdates". That's the first part of the project, in which all the filesystem metadata (the data concerning the data, like inodes) has been being analysed as to how much needs to be actually kept current on the disk. Those portions that can be recreated from other things known about the disk are no longer forced to "sync" on the disk. This has made major throughput improvements in the UFS, especially in environments where the contents of the filesystem churn (like, /tmp). The next part of the project is an "fsck daemon" that can run in the background and repair filesystem structure inconsistancies. Then, if you have an unplanned stoppage, the disk will be usable immediately after a reboot. It just might have some unused space that is not visable at first. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:52:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BF437BB23; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08177; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:01 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: James Housley , Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404135201.C23888@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> <20000404172105.B60317@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000404172105.B60317@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 05:21:05PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 05:21:05PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 11:20:41AM -0400, James Housley wrote: > > Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > > > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > > > > Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is > > that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? > > Dunno, as I don't run -current here (that chunk of text is 'tacitly' > mine -- I certainly have no objections to others updating it however). > > If you've got real world experience that can be used to update the text > then pleae, *please* submit it. -j4 has worked since 3.x was CURRENT. The rule though is that you should NEVER send a bug report for a build with -j# as the output is often totally useless since commands and output do't line up (they could be dozens or even hundreds of lines apart.) -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:53:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C77137B8D6 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA93782; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA70960; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004042053.OAA70960@harmony.village.org> To: James Housley Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:20:41 EDT." <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> References: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:53:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> James Housley writes: : Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is : that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? It should be safe. However, it is always wise to be conservative when upgrading a system across major releases and *NOT* try to get fancy. Most testers of the UPDATING file didn't use -j, and that can lead to race conditions if things aren't all just so. I think it will just work, but -j is generally only safe to upgrade within a major version. And don't try to do an installworld -j n, n > 1. It just isn't worth it and is a silly risk unless you know that it will definitely work. Just inho, of course. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:55: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16E337BC16 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29419; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: J McKitrick Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: rough doc patch In-Reply-To: <20000404142322.A7059@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, J McKitrick wrote: >Just a thought for some documentation to be inserted somewhere in the >handbook to reduce some confusion. Curious that I received this via -stable since the headers seem to indicate it was only sent from J McKitrick to doc@freebsd.org. There's never so much as a CC to -stable, yet somewhere in the chain I see Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09693 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Odd. Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:55:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FA337BDBD for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA93796; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA70983; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004042054.OAA70983@harmony.village.org> To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Cc: FreeBSD Stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:00:27 PDT." References: <200004041648.KAA69682@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:54:56 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Randy Bush writes: : like hell! i demand a full refund! You'll have to drop by the house later to get that :-) Warner P.S. This would be somewhat hard if you don't live in Boulder :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:57:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8CE37BF08 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA43400; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:57:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: <200004042048.NAA09569@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This sounds to be very promising. When I was running a server a while back I always go the impression that the server was already running some service to clean up the system. I do know know the filesystem (ufs) well enough to know if it that is true or not. It always seemed to me that file fragmentation was updated routinely and the disk run efficiently. I think ufs is very solid right now... just sucks when something goes wrong, but that is more a limitation of my own experience and not the software. I am sure I could fix just about anything on the filesystem if I had a better understandinf of newfs and fsck, but because it is so solid I use them so rarely. That is good and bad... Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Only presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial "we." On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > Are there any efforts to build a journaling filesystem for FreeBSD? I > > have read of several for Linux, but none for FreeBSD. > > There are a couple of projects underway, though I think they are > either being done in concert with the Linux guys or are planned > ports of the Linux stuff when it's completed. Plus SGI's promise to > OpenSource its journaling file system should offer yet another path > when it happens. > > > fsck is just so slow, especially when my drives tend to get so much > > larger than before. I have a new 30 gigger and running and fsck on > > that will take a long time. If it ever falls hard it will take > > forever to reboot. > > One of the designers of UFS back at Berkeley has been working on > enhancements that should eliminate the very long fsck runs. Perhaps > you've seen reference to "softupdates". That's the first part of > the project, in which all the filesystem metadata (the data > concerning the data, like inodes) has been being analysed as to how > much needs to be actually kept current on the disk. Those portions > that can be recreated from other things known about the disk are no > longer forced to "sync" on the disk. This has made major throughput > improvements in the UFS, especially in environments where the > contents of the filesystem churn (like, /tmp). > > The next part of the project is an "fsck daemon" that can run in the > background and repair filesystem structure inconsistancies. Then, > if you have an unplanned stoppage, the disk will be usable > immediately after a reboot. It just might have some unused space > that is not visable at first. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13:58: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A800C37BC16 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12caOW-000LM0-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:57:52 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09793; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:57:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:57:52 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: rough doc patch Message-ID: <20000404215752.A9777@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000404142322.A7059@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bandix@looksharp.net on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:53:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:53:49PM -0400, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, J McKitrick wrote: > > >Just a thought for some documentation to be inserted somewhere in the > >handbook to reduce some confusion. > > Curious that I received this via -stable since the headers seem to > indicate it was only sent from J McKitrick to doc@freebsd.org. There's > never so much as a CC to -stable, yet somewhere in the chain I see Sorry. I bounced it from myself after sending it to doc. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E27537B9BE; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29502; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:02:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > >> To change the topic slightly, are there any plans to resurrect LFS? > >Not that I know of. You're right in that it would be difficult, there have been so many changes to UFS and the kernel space since BSD-LFS was originally written. What has caught my eye lately though is the LinLogFS[0] project some guys are working on for linux. It's a neat idea because they claim to have written a fairly filesystem independent core which should be able to easily copy with different filesystems without a lot of porting. I'd assume it's probably GPLed but I could see it as a possible kernel option, obviously it has to reside under src/sys/gnu but when those guys get done it might be worthwhile to look into how it works with UFS. There's of course also the option of implementing our own kernel level FS independent journaling filesystem, but I don't think there's enough demand right now. Not when UFS still is plenty for most uses. [0] - http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/czezatke/lfs.html Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14: 3: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wzrd.com (mail.wzrd.com [206.99.165.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDE937BC5D for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danh@wzrd.com) Received: by mail.wzrd.com (Postfix, from userid 91) id 599FB5D008; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) In-Reply-To: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com> from "Steven E. Ames" at "Apr 4, 2000 03:10:18 pm" To: "Steven E. Ames" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000404210301.599FB5D008@mail.wzrd.com> From: danh@wzrd.com (Dan Harnett) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > that got it. Thanks for the quick response. Side topic... anyone know > what the licensing fee is to get a commercial copy of RSA for OpenSSH? > I've got some potentially commercial applications that I'd like to run > on it... AFAIK, you must purchase a license for their commercial product, BSAFE Crypto C. At least that is what I was told from prior attempts to contact them :/. Dan Harnett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14: 5:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED72937BC87 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29517; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:05:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: J McKitrick Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: rough doc patch In-Reply-To: <20000404215752.A9777@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, J McKitrick wrote: >Sorry. I bounced it from myself after sending it to doc. > >jm Hehe, thanks. Didn't bother me that much, just struck me as odd. It's not every day my stable mailbox gets doc mail filtered into it. Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14: 6: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AF337BD13 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Received: from localhost (melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA46704 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob K X-Sender: melange@localhost To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: OT: bcc'ing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG He probably bcc:'ed it so that replies generated on the -doc list wouldn't be crossposted to -stable. (bcc = blind carbon-copy) On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, J McKitrick wrote: > > >Just a thought for some documentation to be inserted somewhere in the > >handbook to reduce some confusion. > > Curious that I received this via -stable since the headers seem to > indicate it was only sent from J McKitrick to doc@freebsd.org. There's > never so much as a CC to -stable, yet somewhere in the chain I see > Received: (from jcm@localhost) > by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09693 > for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:34 +0100 (BST) > (envelope-from jcm) > Odd. > > Brandon D. Valentine > -- Bob "And I had the same fish/pants/jolt/staples/cieling problem you did." - John Teffer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14:11:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5BE37BDF0 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15111; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:10:29 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Warner Losh Cc: James Housley , Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404141029.D23888@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> <200004042053.OAA70960@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200004042053.OAA70960@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:53:00PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:53:00PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <38EA0849.F9BC8C4A@thehousleys.net> James Housley writes: > : Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is > : that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? > > It should be safe. However, it is always wise to be conservative when > upgrading a system across major releases and *NOT* try to get fancy. > Most testers of the UPDATING file didn't use -j, and that can lead to > race conditions if things aren't all just so. I think it will just > work, but -j is generally only safe to upgrade within a major > version. I did the 3->4 upgrade with -j and had no problems. On the other hand, conservative is probably good, especialy if you don't read -stable and -current. > And don't try to do an installworld -j n, n > 1. It just isn't worth > it and is a silly risk unless you know that it will definitely work. The last times I've tried installwork with -j it just plain didn't work. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14:22:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB1137B8B0 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18943; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Brad Knowles Cc: Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:27 +0200." Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I know you don't want to hear this, but the reality of it is that > we really should be doing a better job of keeping the web pages > up-to-date with regards to things like this. And seeing as how this problem stem from a lack of resources (people to do the work) and always has, what is your proposal? Suggestions that we just somehow magically "find more people" will be laughed out of town since we've tried that. Volunteering to write some sort of account system for volunteers to come in and drop their changes into a php3/modperl/whathaveyou sort of mechanism which you plan to write would get a much better reception. I really am tired of people telling us what reality should be rather than making that reality come about through their own efforts. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14:22:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A0837BB8F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18958; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Southwell" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A big thank you In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:42:36 -0800." <005901bf9da4$c46f7760$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:23:29 -0700 Message-ID: <18955.954883409@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can we end this thread, PLEASE? > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9D61.B5167680 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0056_01BF9D61.B5167680" > > > ------=_NextPart_001_0056_01BF9D61.B5167680 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > GlacierA big thank you to those on this list who contribute so much = > useful information for our mutual benefit without feeling the need to = > either belittle or flame those who may have less knowledge than = > themselves. > > David > > > > ------=_NextPart_001_0056_01BF9D61.B5167680 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Glacier > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> href=3D"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft = > Shared\Stationery\"> > > > > bgColor=3D#ffffff> >
A big thank you to those on this list who contribute so much useful = > > information for our mutual benefit without feeling the need to either = > belittle=20 > or flame those who may have less knowledge than themselves.
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: <18999.954883714@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You are a complete prick. Many people have agreed that there is a > conflict in the documentation. I am not going to try to justify my > actions for you. There is no point. This posting was in clear violation of the mailing list charters and will be dealt with. That's all we'll say in public on the matter. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14:38:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45C837B776 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cb1u-000G5C-00; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:34 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge References: <200004041648.KAA69682@harmony.village.org> <200004042054.OAA70983@harmony.village.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:34 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> like hell! i demand a full refund! > You'll have to drop by the house later to get that :-) > P.S. This would be somewhat hard if you don't live in Boulder :-) after i spent many hours of my own time, for which i will be sending you a bill, figuring out where to insert the floppy, you think i am going to sit by quietly and take public abuse and humiliation from lowly nerd slime on this mailing list?!? i think i will go run linux! randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 14:39:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F2B37B907 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19120; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: R Joseph Wright Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:55:59 PDT." Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:39:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19117.954884374@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd be glad to help in this area, as I'm a very good writer. Can someone > point me in the right direction? Join the freebsd-doc mailing list and volunteer your services as you just did above. I'm sure someone will point you to an area of the handbook which is visibly on fire. Alternately, simply read the docs and start fixing things which smell particularly bad to you, sending your diffs to freebsd-doc for someone else to commit on your behalf. Either way should work, though if you do too much of this, don't also be surprised when someone shoves you forward for docs committer status so you can make the changes directly to the web pages and online docs. :-) Thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 15: 4:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7CD37B7B9 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002D1851F; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:52:01 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:51:18 +0200 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: Doug Barton , David Murphy , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:22 PM -0700 2000/4/4, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I really am tired of people telling us what reality should be rather > than making that reality come about through their own efforts. The single biggest problem in any large volunteer effort is determining where your skills can be of help. Until you can figure that out, the project looks like one of the worlds largest mountains, and you can't begin to comprehend how it could possibly be climbed by anyone, much less completely flattened and reduced to plains. However, once you do figure that out, it starts to look more like some pebbles piled on top of some boulders, set in some upthrust bedrock that is covered with dirt -- and it starts becoming a more manageable problem to have you take out your shovel and start digging somewhere, or take out your sledgehammer and start pounding some rocks into smaller rocks. Of course, it also helps to have some time to devote to projects like this, but even if you've got time, if you get too many hostile responses then the likelihood is that you will be considerably less likely to devote your time to that project. It's one thing to want only constructive criticism, it's another to facilitate it. As David Murphy said before, FreeBSD is very welcoming to developers who run across a problem, fix it, and then send in the patches. It tends to be less welcoming to people who just want to use it, and don't have the talent, skills, knowledge, time, or inclination to try to fix the problems that they run across. You have to decide whether FreeBSD is going to be a developers-only OS, or if it is going to become more user-friendly. If the goal is the latter, then the quality of the documentation has to improve -- and not everyone who complains about the documentation will be able to help fix it. This is a simple fact that will just have to be accepted. Better yet would be for POLA to be violated with less frequency and fewer potential destructive consequences, so that you don't need to improve the documentation -- the system just works, and there's no need to document something that "just works". In other words, less is more. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 15: 5:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EE237B81A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04353; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:47:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:47:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Brad Knowles , Doug Barton , Brennan W Stehling , Jim Weeks , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404224702.A95515@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:22:58PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:22:58PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > And seeing as how this problem stem from a lack of resources (people > to do the work) and always has, what is your proposal? Suggestions > that we just somehow magically "find more people" will be laughed out > of town since we've tried that. Volunteering to write some sort of > account system for volunteers to come in and drop their changes into a > php3/modperl/whathaveyou sort of mechanism which you plan to write > would get a much better reception. Not to pour cold water on this, but before anyone starts pointing out any of a half dozen freely available packages that might make this possible already, ask yourself: 1. Does it lend itself to making translations of the material available? 2. Does it lend itself to being mirrored by umpteen sites around the world? Preferably using (or abusing) CVSup? 3. Does it maintain a complete and accurate change history, including the ability to do diffs? 4. How is user authentication accomplished? I'm not about to give all and sundry write access to the website. . . Our existing infrastructure is not as slick as some of the third party management tools out there, but it handles all of those criteria, and it requires very few additional tools. We've also got a lot of documentation written about it. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 15:15:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (grace.speakeasy.org [216.254.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6477037B77C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjoseph@speakeasy.org) Received: from 11-112.009.popsite.net (11-112.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.112]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e34MF1g03192; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:15:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: R Joseph Wright X-Sender: rjoseph@mammalia.sea To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <18940.954883378@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ...Suggestions that we just somehow magically "find more people" will be > laughed out of town since we've tried that. Volunteering to write some > sort of account system for volunteers to come in and drop their changes > into a php3/modperl/whathaveyou sort of mechanism which you plan to write ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ I'm interested in how that works, since I earlier posted my admiration for their documentation. > would get a much better reception. > I really am tired of people telling us what reality should be rather > than making that reality come about through their own efforts. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 15:34:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2D937B8CF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA44169; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:34:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] In-Reply-To: <18999.954883714@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Also check out this site... http://www.greasydaemon.com/ I put all of that up yesterday as a result of my conversations on the list. I have found that it is hard to get the right documentation, so this is my attempt and improving the resources. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. -- Joseph Heller, "Catch-22" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 16: 4:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B670437B958 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10142; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004042304.QAA10142@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request In-Reply-To: <20000404010738.P85754@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> from Ben Smithurst at "Apr 4, 0 01:07:38 am" To: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk (Ben Smithurst) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:04:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: vizion@ptialaska.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Southwell wrote: > >> I wonder whether those who post to this list would consider to post >> without using attachments. > > Pot, kettle, black. I already asked you once not to send HTML mail with > a JPEG image, this is just as bad as attachments. (Worse, actually, as > they're completely useless, many attachments actually have some use to > them.) Wanna bet he doesn't even know he's doing it? Or how? Outhouse will stick a little jpeg at the end of an HTML message if the message has a defined background. That jpeg is tiled to create the background pattern. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 16: 8:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ike.ucdavis.edu (ike.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A64937B828; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asteffes@ucdavis.edu) Received: from ucdavis.edu (iras-5-90.ucdavis.edu [169.237.12.90]) by ike.ucdavis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/IT4.3.3) with ESMTP id QAA20524; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:09:21 -0700 From: Adam Steffes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ppp problems under 4.0-S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all. I installed 4.0-R yesterday, cvsup-ed, and built 4.0-S and a new kernel. Since then, ppp doesn't behave. Under 4.0-R, it was fine, using my ppp.conf file from 3.4-S. Under 4.0-S, ppp (when run in user mode, on the command line) goes to "Ppp" and then back to "ppp" and hangs up. If I use 'term' and the at commands manually, I can make it work (though it doesn't set a default route - I add that, too, by hand), this is a major pain in the rear. I compared my 3.4-S ppp.conf to the new one that came in /usr/share/examples/ppp with 4.0-S, and don't see any differences. Any ideas? Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 16:10:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E3B37B578 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-55.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.55]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01530; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:10:34 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <00d301bf9e8a$cae5da80$37e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: , "Ben Smithurst" Cc: References: <200004042304.QAA10142@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:08:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chad - you were right on!! :-) See the thread Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS This is what I wrote: ________________________________________________________________ Well guys I am so soooooooooooory if you had not told me I would never have known - I am hanging my head here -- I am not used to using Microsoft stuff and it appears that HTML was set by default on this machine -- the sooner I can get my new machine up with Freebsd 4.00 the better I will like it!! Please let me know if the beastly HTML and Jif stuff (aparrently for some kind of background to the mail) has dissappeared. However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more point for me again Attachments etc are a pain in the **** Thanks .__________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 16:51: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524A537B8D6 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA78471; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:49:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: from Brad Knowles at "Apr 4, 2000 11:51:18 pm" To: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, Doug@gorean.org, drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Brad Knowles wrote: > At 2:22 PM -0700 2000/4/4, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I really am tired of people telling us what reality should be rather > > than making that reality come about through their own efforts. > The single biggest problem in any large volunteer effort is > determining where your skills can be of help. I'd actually suggest that you (plural you, not Brad you) turn this around. I've used FreeBSD for years, since 2.1.5 came out. (I actually credit 2.1.5 with saving my engagement. But that's another story.) I spent years trying to figure out how to contribute, even going so far as to take a couple classes in computer programming. I can now swear in C, but my programming skills are hideous. In the meantime, on a completely unrelated front, I had tried to break into freelance writing for close to twenty years. This is what I enjoy -- don't get me wrong, being a UNIX sysadmin is fun and all, but I get an irreproducible rush that comes from assembling words just the right way. Once I put what I enjoy together with FreeBSD, things took off. I have FreeBSD articles in print, in real magazines, that people paid me for. I have publishers (well, okay, one publisher) sniffing after a book. After expenses the articles earned enough to take the missus to dinner, but that's not really the point. As far as volunteers go, FreeBSD will happily take damn near whatever it can get. Do what you really, truly enjoy. That way you'll keep doing it. Whatever it is you enjoy, we need it. (Well, okay, *almost* anything you enjoy.) You enjoy code? Cool, pick a PR. You enjoy writing? Pick a chunk of handbook that hasn't been revised since 1998. You enjoy schmoozing? Go to your local UNIX UG and schmooze. Forget what we need, and ask what you want to do. Then do it for us. Supporting FreeBSD is a lot of work. If you don't enjoy what you do for it, then you won't stick with it. If you take on an unpleasant job just to get it done, people will thank you even more. But be sure you also have something you enjoy doing. Yes, FreeBSD should have X, Y, and Z. And while I'm at it, I'd like a pony, and a GI Joe Stinger Missile Launcher. Now that BSDi is starting to roll, I devoutly hope that they will pay for some of the work that is truly unpleasant but sorely needed. Jordan's been promising a new sysinstall for how many years now? ;) > If the goal is the latter, then the quality of the documentation > has to improve -- and not everyone who complains about the > documentation will be able to help fix it. This is a simple fact > that will just have to be accepted. True. And not everybody who complains about code can fix that, either. But docs people need PRs, just like developers. "What did you think that meant?" "What exactly happened when you followed our instructions?" Unfortunately, many people who can write can't read code well -- i.e., I decided to add a recursive directory-fetching ability to the FreeBSD FTP client. I'm still working on understanding the code. The printout covers one wall of my study, with boxes and arrows and lines and scribbles. When I understand what's going on, I'll begin writing code. By then, the FTP client will be completely replaced. My time is better spent in advocacy, but I'm too dumb to give up on code. Sorry. Not to speak for Nik and the other -docs volunteers here, but I suspect that anyone who can sling code, who is willing to work with a writer, would be welcome in -docs. Sadly, coder/writers likes Greg Lehey are hard to come by. > Better yet would be for POLA to be violated with less frequency > and fewer potential destructive consequences, so that you don't need > to improve the documentation -- the system just works, and there's no > need to document something that "just works". In other words, less > is more. ;-) True again. But how many modern operating systems actually manage this? I'm not aware of any. (I could quite well be wrong, I usually am when making a blanket statement.) BTW, to gripe about docs wihtout being able to fix them: rebuild/usr/share/doc/FAQ;grep POLA * rebuild/usr/share/doc/FAQ;cd ../handbook/ rebuild/usr/share/doc/handbook;grep POLA * rebuild/usr/share/doc/handbook; I've learned to grok POLA from context as "changing something behind the scenes that breaks interfaces", but I'm now surrendering to acronym curiosity: What the *heck* does POLA stand for, exactly? Path Of Least Action? ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 17: 2: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0F837B95C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20244; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Michael Lucas Cc: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles), Doug@gorean.org, drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:49:29 EDT." <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:01:37 -0700 Message-ID: <20241.954892897@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd actually suggest that you (plural you, not Brad you) turn this > around. All very well said. Volunteers have to also remember that we have no way of gauging their skill-set from here and even when we do, it's hard to say just how much of that skill-set will be brought to bear on project-related activities. Most really skillful people have too little time available to do anything really in-depth unless they go on sabbatical or somehow wangle a job working for BSDI (we're taking applications! :) so skills are hardly the only useful metric. That's why it's best to approach it sort of organically. The volunteer looks around for something which matches both their skill-set and their time available, throws out a brief discussion to make sure they're not about to reinvent any wheels, then goes for it. That's pretty much how 90% of the current -committers got where they are, in fact. A substantial number of the remaining 10% got there because they were forcibly shoved into committership, but only because they were sneakily making their significant contributions through someone else until we caught them at it. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 17:22:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pmail1.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [194.221.183.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 484BC37B92B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 25704 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2000 19:19:29 -0000 Received: from pc19f5dcb.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.93.203) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 19:19:29 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25845 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:34:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:34:12 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404203411.B23851@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000404001130.A83840@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:11:30AM +0000 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Just in case disclaimers like these are needed: The message is _not_ a personal response but an article meant for the list. It's just a reply to some points I came across when reading the thread. And: English is not my native language. Please keep this in mind when you feel I'm telling absolute BS by using the wrong words for what I want to express :) EOD ] On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 00:11 +0000, David Murphy wrote: > > At the end of the day, if someone wants to write documentation, > they will. If they don't, they won't. In your model, the person > who needs documentation is assigned the task of writing > documentation. I guess one has to use a slightly different wording: The ones able to contribute code have limited resources only just like anyone else has. That's why they focus at what they're good at or what's most efficiently done in their available time or with their resources. That's when documentation automatically lags behind the code. It's a simple question of priorities. This is the same for the testers and the documenters and whatever other service is accompanying the programs (promotion? presentation?). What you call "the needy are to help themselfes" is as follows in my eyes: The ones consuming others' work get what they pay for. If they don't pay anything, they won't get anything. If they pay a small amount for media, they will just get some. If they pay a consultant or teach their workers, they get skilled support. But it's not all about money in itself. If one spends some time to harvest the _available_ information, one can help oneself. It's there, maybe it's just not presented on a golden platter. And now for the contribution: The ones saying "(Now) I know better" are welcomed to show so by improving what obviously(?) lacks something. Patches are more helpful than just stating "something's wrong". And who else should be able to provide user friendly doc if not the ones with - the idea what they think is wrong - the knowledge how to get around the problem or how to do better - and (IMO most important) the idea what they had expected to find in terms of readable and helpful information Doc provided by the source authors often has the status of being unuseful or complicated to users unfamiliar with the system at all. Do you remember (or can you imagine) the reaction on directing a newbie to the manpages? The info *is* there -- the new user just cannot handle it. But who else could improve it if not the one being unhappy with it. Nobody else knows exactly what's the problem! > There seem to be two widely held opinions on this list, and I > assume, perhaps incorrectly, that they are held by the majority > of FreeBSD developers: > > 1) The responsibility for locating available documentation > rests with the user. Of course. Either the user does research on his own or he pays someone to do so for him (in whatever currency or material or moral compensation). Do you know any other form that works? Are you stopped in the street by passengers telling you how to use a certain software? Or do you have to go _somewhere_ _appropriate_ and learn it yourself, maybe with the help of others? How is free software different in this respect from comercial software? Do you get a consultant contract when bying a Windows package (just to name _one_, not meant representative in any way) or do you have to search MS' website and/or get the resource kit and/or scan the archives/KB/xDK and/or employ an admin yourself? BTW you're always free to bundle the software purchase and a suitable support contract -- just as it is possible with FreeBSD, too. > 2) If the user finds the available documentation insufficient, > the responsibility for creating sufficient documentation rests > with the user. If somebody knows how to do better, he's always free to keep this knowledge for himself. But if he wants to pay back for what he gets from others, he can contribute to the common product and have others share the gain this will give. Where else should progress come from when everybody points to others to do something? > There are, broadly speaking, two classes of users of any > software system: those who use the system, find problems with > the system, and fix those problems; and those who use the > system, find problems with the system, and report those > problems. I think of the former group of people as > "developers", and I call the latter group of people "users". If the latter do consume only, they're mere consumers. In this position they have to take what they get. And they get what they pay for. It's as simple as that. Of course stating "there's something I don't like" will cause other reactions than "here is how to improve something". This should not be hard to understand. BTW is "I contribute to an existing base" more efficient than "I try to do better on my own". Duplicate effort eats resources which could have been used for building something new instead of just having something twice. To repeat it once more: One doesn't have to be a programmer to contribute to a software project. It's sufficient to have knowledge and skills in _some_ field and free resources for using them in the project's interest. The handbook should have plenty of pointers where to go to when one feels like participating. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 17:32:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF037B862 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.23.192] (unknown [195.238.23.192]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690D718139; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:25:34 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:05:56 +0200 To: Brennan W Stehling , "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 5:34 PM -0500 2000/4/4, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Also check out this site... > > http://www.greasydaemon.com/ I haven't looked at it extensively yet, but what I have looked at so far is really cool. Thanks again! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 17:33:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C34837B9B7 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.23.192] (unknown [195.238.23.192]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF08518149; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:25:37 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:13:30 +0200 To: Michael Lucas From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, Doug@gorean.org, drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 7:49 PM -0400 2000/4/4, Michael Lucas wrote: > I'd actually suggest that you (plural you, not Brad you) turn this > around. Some very good points. Thank you! > You enjoy code? Cool, pick a PR. I don't think we ever have to worry about my doing any code for this project. I have been quite pointedly told that my recent actions here have ensured that I'll never be allowed to be a committer, and that I'll never, ever work for the company. And you know what? I think I'm actually kind of glad. > True again. But how many modern operating systems actually manage > this? I'm not aware of any. (I could quite well be wrong, I usually > am when making a blanket statement.) Good point, very few OSes do well at this. It's just so frustrating to see FreeBSD do so well in other areas, and then occasionally fall down so miserably in things like this. > I've learned to grok POLA from context as "changing something behind > the scenes that breaks interfaces", but I'm now surrendering to > acronym curiosity: > > What the *heck* does POLA stand for, exactly? Path Of Least Action? I think we need a BSD Jargon File. ;-) I had to do a Google search in order to explain it to someone else. I originally used it just from kinda-semi-sorta-grokking previous uses of this term by Jordan. Anyway, it means "Principle of Least Astonishment", which is actually a phrase I've heard before (and makes a whole lot of sense), but I had never put the two together. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 18: 7: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au (nhj.nlc.net.au [203.24.133.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E24237B70E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@nlc.net.au) Received: (qmail 20093 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2000 11:07:09 +1000 Received: from localhost.nlc.net.au (HELO vecomm3) (127.0.0.1) by nhj.nlc.net.au with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 11:07:08 +1000 Message-ID: <001101bf9e9b$3c882ca0$4ab511cb@scitec.com.au> From: "John Saunders" To: "Alexander Frolkin" Cc: "FreeBSD stable" References: <01d901bf9de1$76940dc0$4ab511cb@scitec.com.au> <20000404183534.A1760@gamma> Subject: Re: DNS/host file in 4.0-STABLE Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:06:52 +1000 Organization: NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:57:05PM +1000, John Saunders wrote: > > While setting up a local named as a cache I came across some strange > > behaviour in name lookups. It doesn't seem to consult the hosts file. > > Have a look at your /etc/host.conf. There should be a line which reads > 'hosts' preceeding 'bind'. Yes, that's what my original email said that I had. The default host.conf file is set this way. I have some more information, with ppp started (but link still down) the problem happens. However if I kill ppp then it starts working (although telnet reports no route to host as it should). So something about the tun0 interface being up and/or the routes that ppp install is doing this. However I don't understand how network things can affect simple reading and parsing of the hosts file. I suspect that DNS action is taking place even though host.conf has "hosts" listed first. Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders - mailto:john@nlc.net.au (EMail) | ,--_|\ | - http://www.nlc.net.au/ (WWW) | / Oz \ | - 02-9489-4932 or 041-822-3814 (Phone) | \_,--\_/ | NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS P/L - Supplying a professional, | v | and above all friendly, internet connection service. | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 18:11:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0458937B9C3; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10572; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004050111.SAA10572@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: journaling fs In-Reply-To: <200004040103.SAA60860@cwsys.cwsent.com> from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group at "Apr 3, 0 06:03:19 pm" To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: kris@FreeBSD.ORG, alexander@frolkin.demon.co.uk, brennan@offwhite.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > To change the topic slightly, are there any plans to resurrect LFS? > Would there be any point to putting in the time and effort to removing > the bitrot or should we leave it where it is? Understand that the LFS was something completely different than the filesystems we've just been discussing (journaled filesystems, or filesystems with intent logs). The rotting LFS was a log filesystem wherein a linear log of changes made were kept. This gave a performance boost to operations that were large and sequential, as it avoided the work UFS goes through on a write to extend a file (all the stuff about dealing with fragments and trying to keep all the extents of a file in the same cylinder group). Handy, I suppose, to record streaming video. You probably knew that, didn't you. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 18:15:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFC237B8A4; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA15464; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:15:42 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda15462; Tue Apr 4 18:15:22 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA78456; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004050115.SAA78456@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdE78451; Tue Apr 4 18:15:07 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cschuber To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, alexander@frolkin.demon.co.uk, brennan@offwhite.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: journaling fs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:11:15 PDT." <200004050111.SAA10572@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:15:07 -0700 From: Cy Schubert Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200004050111.SAA10572@freeway.dcfinc.com>, "Chad R. Larson" writes: > As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > To change the topic slightly, are there any plans to resurrect LFS? > > Would there be any point to putting in the time and effort to removing > > the bitrot or should we leave it where it is? > > Understand that the LFS was something completely different than the > filesystems we've just been discussing (journaled filesystems, or > filesystems with intent logs). The rotting LFS was a log filesystem > wherein a linear log of changes made were kept. This gave a > performance boost to operations that were large and sequential, as > it avoided the work UFS goes through on a write to extend a file > (all the stuff about dealing with fragments and trying to keep all > the extents of a file in the same cylinder group). Handy, I > suppose, to record streaming video. > > You probably knew that, didn't you. I realize that. This discussion reminded me to ask about LFS. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 19:22: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E38037BC18 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11185; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:20:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004050220.TAA11185@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> from Michael Lucas at "Apr 4, 0 07:49:29 pm" To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:20:50 -0700 (MST) Cc: blk@skynet.be, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, Doug@gorean.org, drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Michael Lucas wrote: > I've learned to grok POLA from context as "changing something behind > the scenes that breaks interfaces", but I'm now surrendering to > acronym curiosity: > > What the *heck* does POLA stand for, exactly? Path Of Least Action? From where I come from it meant "Principal Of Least Astonishment". -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 19:45: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00ED37B9AD for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@workhorse.iMach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24506 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:45:06 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free In-Reply-To: <20000404203411.B23851@speedy.gsinet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since I probably am about to step in a puddle of gasoline with what I am about to say, I'd just like to preface this with this isn't meant as an attack on anyone, but instead as some food for thought. I'm not particularly good with saying things in a tactful manner, and I'd rather not muddy what I'm trying to say by "softening" it. It seems that a growing number of posters to the list seem to not understand that FreeBSD and other OpenSource projects have a real cost which every user should help to bear. Let me explain. The core FreeBSD team is "responsible for deciding the project's overall goals and direction as well as managing specific areas of the FreeBSD project landscape". These 16 or so people are supplemented by approximatley 150 additional committers. In all, around 170 or so people are responsible for the 6.6 MILLION plus lines in /usr/src are stable. Remember these are almost (if not) all volunteers. Most of them have "day jobs" and as a result are only able to spend a couple hours a day or so on the project. Regardless, each and every one of them has made a commitment to invest their valuable spare time towards improving FreeBSD. Now, to try to wander back to the point I was trying to make - Even if the volunteers above only provide one hour a day average on this project, that still comes out to be 1 hour x 365 days/year x 150 committers or 57,750 hours a year. Multiply this by say $50/hr which is cheap for "contract" programming, then you end up with over 2.7 Million dollars of labor being spent on FreeBSD each year. Remember this is DONATED labor. Now think about this: The "committers" have donated 2.7 million dollars of labor to FreeBSD, what have you done? I think there is an unfortunate feeling that you have to write code to help with FreeBSD. At this point, I would ALMOST say that if you want to help with FreeBSD DO ANYTHING BUT WRITE CODE. For Instance: * Submit pr's: Document bugs you find and submit the info. * Fix lacking/outdated documentation. * Help newbies on the appropriate list(s). * Find a developer who hates writing documentation and write documentation for them. * Help track down developmental documentation for a piece of hardware and/or purchase said hardware for development purposes. etc. etc. etc. I'm sure if someone dropped Jordan or one of the core committers a note that said "Hey, I have some spare time and I would like to do x" where x is about anything not already well (or over) covered, they could FIND something useful for about anyone to do. I think that maybe the best summarization of this whole thing is this: FreeBSD costs both time and money to develop. Although FreeBSD doesn't officially "cost" us anything (in the fiscal sense), each of us should find a way to contribute to the project as much as we can justify and in whatever way we can. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 19:48:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67F237B88B; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cfru-000KLQ-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:48:34 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11344; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:48:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:48:33 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Adam Steffes Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu>; from asteffes@ucdavis.edu on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:09:21PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:09:21PM -0700, Adam Steffes wrote: > Hi all. I installed 4.0-R yesterday, cvsup-ed, and built 4.0-S and a > new kernel. Since then, ppp doesn't behave. Under 4.0-R, it was fine, > using my ppp.conf file from 3.4-S. Under 4.0-S, ppp (when run in user > mode, on the command line) goes to "Ppp" and then back to "ppp" and > hangs up. If I use 'term' and the at commands manually, I can make it > work (though it doesn't set a default route - I add that, too, by hand), > this is a major pain in the rear. > > I compared my 3.4-S ppp.conf to the new one that came in > /usr/share/examples/ppp with 4.0-S, and don't see any differences. Just one... any chance updating would have changed anything in /etc? Did you run mergemaster, if necessary? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20: 4: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232E237B87A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (07-202.dial.008.popsite.net [209.69.77.202]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA82109; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1DB191A28; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:03:28 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free Message-ID: <20000404230328.B13887@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <20000404203411.B23851@speedy.gsinet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from forrestc@iMach.com on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 07:45:06PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 07:45:06PM -0600, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > Let me explain. The core FreeBSD team is "responsible for deciding the > project's overall goals and direction as well as managing specific areas > of the FreeBSD project landscape". These 16 or so people are supplemented > by approximatley 150 additional committers. In all, around 170 or so > people are responsible for the 6.6 MILLION plus lines in /usr/src are > stable. The number of committers is closer to 200 these days. Also, (I trust you counted the lines correctly) you should be aware that src/ isn't the only thing these 200 people maintain. There's also ports, doc, www.. > I think there is an unfortunate feeling that you have to write code to > help with FreeBSD. At this point, I would ALMOST say that if you want to > help with FreeBSD DO ANYTHING BUT WRITE CODE. For Instance: > > * Submit pr's: Document bugs you find and submit the info. > > * Fix lacking/outdated documentation. > > * Help newbies on the appropriate list(s). > > * Find a developer who hates writing documentation and write documentation > for them. > > * Help track down developmental documentation for a piece of hardware > and/or purchase said hardware for development purposes. > > etc. etc. etc. > > I'm sure if someone dropped Jordan or one of the core committers a note > that said "Hey, I have some spare time and I would like to do x" where x > is about anything not already well (or over) covered, they could FIND > something useful for about anyone to do. > > I think that maybe the best summarization of this whole thing is this: > > FreeBSD costs both time and money to develop. Although FreeBSD doesn't > officially "cost" us anything (in the fiscal sense), each of us should > find a way to contribute to the project as much as we can justify and in > whatever way we can. Thank you for this well-written piece of mail. I would love it if more people donated time to FreeBSD. I would just like to point out that there are many more (several thousand if not tens of thousands) people who contribute to FreeBSD, but are not committers. We're talking about, say, 25,000 people * avg 0.5 hour each * avg $35/hr * 365 days/yr = $160 million. Let's just say the number of hours committers spend is a lot more than 57,750. Now, that's a labor of love. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20: 7: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ike.ucdavis.edu (ike.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326D37B87A; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asteffes@ucdavis.edu) Received: from ucdavis.edu (iras-3-85.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.85]) by ike.ucdavis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/IT4.3.3) with ESMTP id UAA13058; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:03:11 -0700 From: Adam Steffes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J McKitrick Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S References: <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No, I didn't run mergemaster... I installed 4.0-R and immediately cvsup-ed and built 4.0-S. Would I have to run it? I'm really not sure where to start poking. Adam J McKitrick wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:09:21PM -0700, Adam Steffes wrote: > > Hi all. I installed 4.0-R yesterday, cvsup-ed, and built 4.0-S and a > > new kernel. Since then, ppp doesn't behave. Under 4.0-R, it was fine, > > using my ppp.conf file from 3.4-S. Under 4.0-S, ppp (when run in user > > mode, on the command line) goes to "Ppp" and then back to "ppp" and > > hangs up. If I use 'term' and the at commands manually, I can make it > > work (though it doesn't set a default route - I add that, too, by hand), > > this is a major pain in the rear. > > > > I compared my 3.4-S ppp.conf to the new one that came in > > /usr/share/examples/ppp with 4.0-S, and don't see any differences. > > Just one... any chance updating would have changed anything in /etc? Did > you run mergemaster, if necessary? > > jm > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: > "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. > Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20: 7:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5497237B76E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: from bugsbunny (207-229-142-151.d.enteract.com [207.229.142.151]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA89910; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:07:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Forrest W. Christian" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:07:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Snip, snip, snip (for the sake of bandwidth (points being duly noted)... > FreeBSD costs both time and money to develop. Although FreeBSD doesn't > officially "cost" us anything (in the fiscal sense), each of us should > find a way to contribute to the project as much as we can justify and in > whatever way we can. I agree, 100% - however, some of us can't code. Being that, *I* myself push the OS in some unsuspecting places... For example, I *always* boast how wonderful Apache and FBSD are in the #WindowsNT channel;) ... and, I *always* contribute $$$ in both donations, and just plain buying things like stickers, face plates, T-shirts, whatever I can... I know, that every little bit *does* help... To coin a phrase, If I had a million dollars... ;) Lates... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi - There's nuthin' else. iQA/AwUBOOqt2oYwDkcZSgMYEQI8VQCgkw7ukkZEjmfUVxSJcZed1qGXVXkAnjTT q8umhI9YdY3NebCyG/vEKlrn =DLY6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20:10:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50E037BC6C; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cgDQ-000Itf-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:10:48 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11472; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:10:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:10:46 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Adam Steffes Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu>; from asteffes@ucdavis.edu on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 08:03:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It never hurts to run mergemaster, especially after a big upgrade, when it might be important. It's possible some networking option isn't being controlled correctly, who knows. Just a thought. But if you installed 4.0 clean, i can't imagine mergemaster making a big difference. Try to cvsup again tonight. I just did, and i saw changes in ppp. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20:51:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD1D37B812 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@workhorse.iMach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24926; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:51:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:51:52 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Will Andrews Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free In-Reply-To: <20000404230328.B13887@argon.blackdawn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Will Andrews wrote: > I would just like to point out that there are many more (several thousand > if not tens of thousands) people who contribute to FreeBSD, but are not > committers. We're talking about, say, 25,000 people * avg 0.5 hour each * avg > $35/hr * 365 days/yr = $160 million. Let's just say the number of hours > committers spend is a lot more than 57,750. Now, that's a labor of love. Thank you for adding a point which I thought about and then forgot to add. I also wanted to say that I am not necessarily free from guilt either - there are lots of things I could be doing more for not only freebsd but also for some of the other open-source projects that I make money from. I intend to work on rectifying (sp?) this in the near future... - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 20:58: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30AC37B5E2 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA45683; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:57:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Brad Knowles Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is not much to see on www.greasydaemon.com yet. It is simply going to point to BSD sites... to assist in finding documentation. If you have your own bsd site and offer some documentation on some topic, let me know. I will be creating categories for information, like networking, security, and other useful topics. Sites like freebsd.org offer lots of great info on networking and many other topics but I hope to provide links to other sites that augment that information. I also hope to encourage people to contribute documentation to freebsd.org and articles to sites like freebsdzine.org, freebsdrocks.org and daemonnews.org. I do not intend to spider more than 10 major sites to encourage people to pool information on a limited number of sites. Recently I needed to get natd running for my home network but could not find much help on the freebsd.org site, but several days later I found it on another site. But now in a few seconds I can 18 matches on useful information with the following search string. natd ip filtering Part of the documentation problem is not that it does not exist, just that it is hard to find. I hope to see that problem go away. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: The rhino is a homely beast, For human eyes he's not a feast. Farewell, farewell, you old rhinoceros, I'll stare at something less prepoceros. -- Ogden Nash On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:34 PM -0500 2000/4/4, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > Also check out this site... > > > > http://www.greasydaemon.com/ > > I haven't looked at it extensively yet, but what I have looked at > so far is really cool. Thanks again! > > -- > These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy > ====================================================================== > Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV > Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 > Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels > http://www.skynet.be || Belgium > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 21:14:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B8637BA22 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-09.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.9]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15002; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:11:46 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <016d01bf9eb4$d5ec5380$09e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "Brennan W Stehling" , "Brad Knowles" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , References: Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:09:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Congrats - It looks very promising.. no doubt you will be adding links to each of the sites - could you add user comments about each site as well? If you get the time and you feel it is a good idea - just my two pennorth anyway David S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brennan W Stehling" To: "Brad Knowles" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] > There is not much to see on www.greasydaemon.com yet. It is simply going > to point to BSD sites... to assist in finding documentation. If you have > your own bsd site and offer some documentation on some topic, let me know. > I will be creating categories for information, like networking, security, > and other useful topics. Sites like freebsd.org offer lots of great info > on networking and many other topics but I hope to provide links to other > sites that augment that information. > > I also hope to encourage people to contribute documentation to freebsd.org > and articles to sites like freebsdzine.org, freebsdrocks.org and > daemonnews.org. I do not intend to spider more than 10 major sites to > encourage people to pool information on a limited number of sites. > > Recently I needed to get natd running for my home network but could not > find much help on the freebsd.org site, but several days later I found it > on another site. But now in a few seconds I can 18 matches on useful > information with the following search string. > > natd ip filtering > > Part of the documentation problem is not that it does not exist, just that > it is hard to find. I hope to see that problem go away. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > fortune: > The rhino is a homely beast, > For human eyes he's not a feast. > Farewell, farewell, you old rhinoceros, > I'll stare at something less prepoceros. > -- Ogden Nash > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > At 5:34 PM -0500 2000/4/4, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > Also check out this site... > > > > > > http://www.greasydaemon.com/ > > > > I haven't looked at it extensively yet, but what I have looked at > > so far is really cool. Thanks again! > > > > -- > > These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy > > ====================================================================== > > Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV > > Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 > > Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels > > http://www.skynet.be || Belgium > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 21:22:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BA637BCA3; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA85753; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Michael DeMutis Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade Path from 2.2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michael DeMutis wrote: > This may seem like a silly question but I have a 2.2.2 FreeBSD Server that > we're using as a mail server. > > What is the proper upgrade path to move this up to a 3.4 STABLE machine, > and once I move to 3.x do I need to remove anything that would be > redundant? A binary installation of a 3.4 snapshot would by far be the easiest way to go. You can do a source upgrade but it's a long and difficult road: 2.2.2 -> 2.2.8-STABLE 2.2.8-STABLE -> 3.2-RELEASE (make aout-to-elf or something, check /usr/src/Makefile*) 3.2-RELEASE -> 3.4-STABLE. The reason you have to dgo to 3.2-REL and cant go directly to 3.4-STABLE is because of reported breakage if you try and go directly. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 21:45:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from heidegger.uol.com.br (heidegger.uol.com.br [200.230.198.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730BA37BA22 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lioux-alias-ppp-freebsd-stable=freebsd.org@uol.com.br) Received: from 200-191-158-113-as.acessonet.com.br (200-191-158-113-as.acessonet.com.br [200.191.158.113]) by heidegger.uol.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA04285 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:45:18 -0300 (BRT) Received: (qmail 47835 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Apr 2000 04:42:01 -0000 From: lioux@uol.com.br Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:42:01 -0300 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I heard some rumors about some instability on the new ATA code combined with DMA mode. Is this founded? Can I safely build the latest stable and have a peaceful sleep? Disabling DMA is not acceptable. I am running stable not current. :-) I mean that it is totably acceptable on the current system, but this is my stable damnit. Please rollback the CVS if the rumors are real, this is a stable system. Users, even cvsupers, will overlook UPDATING, build a new kernel and get a trashed FS. If this is not true, I totally apologize. -- Regards mferreira To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 21:49:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07AB37B732 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA45937; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:49:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:49:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: Southwell Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] In-Reply-To: <016d01bf9eb4$d5ec5380$09e346c6@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suppose we can do more simply provide links to these sites. Most of the time I will treat all of these sites as a large pool of resources, adding nothing to the existing boundaries between these sites. But I could provide a way to allow people to vote on the quality of these sites. When a site gets low rankings the greasy daemon site can be used to encourage contributions to that site. And when a site gets very high ratings, more links can be placed on the site. That way people will be able to find the best content available. I also believe that drawing resources from a few sites is more useful than just relying on one site. Although the freebsd.org site is the main site, it is much easier to contribute content to other sites. It is also ideal to have detailed documentation on the freebsd.org website. If you are interested in acting as "the glue" to link all of these sites closer together with a useful search engine and other portal features I will need some help. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: While your friend holds you affectionately by both your hands you are safe, for you can watch both of his. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Southwell wrote: > Congrats - > It looks very promising.. no doubt you will be adding links to each of the > sites - could you add user comments about each site as well? > If you get the time and you feel it is a good idea - just my two pennorth > anyway > > David S. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brennan W Stehling" > To: "Brad Knowles" > Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" ; > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: Mailing list charter violation [Re: make world failed] > > > > There is not much to see on www.greasydaemon.com yet. It is simply going > > to point to BSD sites... to assist in finding documentation. If you have > > your own bsd site and offer some documentation on some topic, let me know. > > I will be creating categories for information, like networking, security, > > and other useful topics. Sites like freebsd.org offer lots of great info > > on networking and many other topics but I hope to provide links to other > > sites that augment that information. > > > > I also hope to encourage people to contribute documentation to freebsd.org > > and articles to sites like freebsdzine.org, freebsdrocks.org and > > daemonnews.org. I do not intend to spider more than 10 major sites to > > encourage people to pool information on a limited number of sites. > > > > Recently I needed to get natd running for my home network but could not > > find much help on the freebsd.org site, but several days later I found it > > on another site. But now in a few seconds I can 18 matches on useful > > information with the following search string. > > > > natd ip filtering > > > > Part of the documentation problem is not that it does not exist, just that > > it is hard to find. I hope to see that problem go away. > > > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > > projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > > > fortune: > > The rhino is a homely beast, > > For human eyes he's not a feast. > > Farewell, farewell, you old rhinoceros, > > I'll stare at something less prepoceros. > > -- Ogden Nash > > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > > > At 5:34 PM -0500 2000/4/4, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > > > Also check out this site... > > > > > > > > http://www.greasydaemon.com/ > > > > > > I haven't looked at it extensively yet, but what I have looked at > > > so far is really cool. Thanks again! > > > > > > -- > > > These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy > > > ====================================================================== > > > Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV > > > Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 > > > Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels > > > http://www.skynet.be || Belgium > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 22: 3:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B89737B93E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14265; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:01 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: lioux@uol.com.br Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000404220301.A7355@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here>; from lioux@uol.com.br on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:42:01AM -0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Please wrap you mail to 72 colums or less.] On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:42:01AM -0300, lioux@uol.com.br wrote: > I heard some rumors about some instability on the new ATA code > combined with DMA mode. Is this founded? Can I safely build the latest > stable and have a peaceful sleep? On non-broken hardware, DMA generally works. There is broken hardware out there including the PIIX controler which has problems. If you currently have DMA on then you should probalby be OK. > Disabling DMA is not acceptable. I am running stable not current. :-) > I mean that it is totably acceptable on the current system, but this is > my stable damnit. Please rollback the CVS if the rumors are real, this > is a stable system. Users, even cvsupers, will overlook UPDATING, build > a new kernel and get a trashed FS. This is silly. It's a new release with new features. Of course there are going to be bugs the beta testers didn't find. No amount of testing can prove correctness and users always try the strangest thing or own the wackiest hardware. As always, if you are paranoid, wait for the y.1 release. That said, 4.0 is a very solid release and it hasn't caused me problems on any of the systems I'm running it on. I'm currently recommending it as the release of choice for our conversion from a shop with Sun desktops to FreeBSD desktops at work. > If this is not true, I totally apologize. In general this is FUD. As expected, there are issues and some of them are rather ugly, but in reality they are mostly hardware bugs or stupid choices like rev'ing chips without changing the version number. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 22:10:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (web120.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8DE837BDAD for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:10:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ixkatl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21238 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2000 05:07:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405050747.21237.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.144.70] by web120.yahoomail.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:07:47 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Sherrod Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free To: "Forrest W. Christian" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, to be the first on the bandwagon: I have a good deal of experience with documentation, and wouldn't mind spending some time working on it. Anyone have anything they need written up? Or, alternately, any docs that have fallen well behind the actual code? AGS --- "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: > Since I probably am about to step in a puddle of > gasoline with what I am > about to say, I'd just like to preface this with > this isn't meant as an > attack on anyone, but instead as some food for > thought. I'm not > particularly good with saying things in a tactful > manner, and I'd rather > not muddy what I'm trying to say by "softening" it. > > It seems that a growing number of posters to the > list seem to not > understand that FreeBSD and other OpenSource > projects have a real cost > which every user should help to bear. > > Let me explain. The core FreeBSD team is > "responsible for deciding the > project's overall goals and direction as well as > managing specific areas > of the FreeBSD project landscape". These 16 or so > people are supplemented > by approximatley 150 additional committers. In all, > around 170 or so > people are responsible for the 6.6 MILLION plus > lines in /usr/src are > stable. > > Remember these are almost (if not) all volunteers. > Most of them have "day > jobs" and as a result are only able to spend a > couple hours a day or so on > the project. Regardless, each and every one of > them has made a > commitment to invest their valuable spare time > towards improving FreeBSD. > > Now, to try to wander back to the point I was trying > to make - Even if > the volunteers above only provide one hour a day > average on this project, > that still comes out to be 1 hour x 365 days/year x > 150 committers or > 57,750 hours a year. Multiply this by say $50/hr > which is cheap for > "contract" programming, then you end up with over > 2.7 Million dollars of > labor being spent on FreeBSD each year. Remember > this is DONATED labor. > > Now think about this: The "committers" have donated > 2.7 million dollars > of labor to FreeBSD, what have you done? > > I think there is an unfortunate feeling that you > have to write code to > help with FreeBSD. At this point, I would ALMOST > say that if you want to > help with FreeBSD DO ANYTHING BUT WRITE CODE. For > Instance: > > * Submit pr's: Document bugs you find and submit > the info. > > * Fix lacking/outdated documentation. > > * Help newbies on the appropriate list(s). > > * Find a developer who hates writing documentation > and write documentation > for them. > > * Help track down developmental documentation for a > piece of hardware > and/or purchase said hardware for development > purposes. > > etc. etc. etc. > > I'm sure if someone dropped Jordan or one of the > core committers a note > that said "Hey, I have some spare time and I would > like to do x" where x > is about anything not already well (or over) > covered, they could FIND > something useful for about anyone to do. > > I think that maybe the best summarization of this > whole thing is this: > > FreeBSD costs both time and money to develop. > Although FreeBSD doesn't > officially "cost" us anything (in the fiscal sense), > each of us should > find a way to contribute to the project as much as > we can justify and in > whatever way we can. > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 > http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. > (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the > message > ===== 'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.' - Al Gore, March 9, 1999: On CNN's Late Edition __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 22:47:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (gw.pn.npi.msu.ru [193.232.127.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D26837B93E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from scarlatti (scarlatti [195.208.223.16]) by vivaldi.pn.npi.msu.ru (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e355kup04239; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:46:56 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000405094647.007c2660@vivaldi> X-Sender: svysh@vivaldi (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:46:47 +0400 To: Soren Schmidt From: Sergei Vyshenski Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200004041322.PAA87696@freebsd.dk> References: <4.2.2.20000404083342.0340b948@mail.sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 15:22 04.04.00 +0200, you wrote: >It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: >>=20 >> Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems= =20 >> with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the= =20 >> drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the=20 >> maintainer can shed light on it ? > >> >atapci0: > >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 >> >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq >> >14 on atapci0 >> >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > >The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to=20 >support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be >sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a=20 >BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the >DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade >your BIOS ?? > >-S=F8ren > After more experiments: 1) A pair of any disks are ok as ad0 and ad1, both in dma mode. 2) In a pair ad0+ad2, disk ad2 (irrespective of disk make)=20 is not mounted in dma that easy. BUT, if I wait long enough,=20 (about 1 min) it says:=20 "ata1: trying to fallback to PIO mode" after which I have ad0 in dma, ad2 in pio, and no further problems. Very clever behavior in such a case!=20 Thanks a lot for your response. Do you know a way to say that I want just PIO for disk ad2? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 23:24:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC3D37B93E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA33558; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200004050624.XAA33558@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free In-Reply-To: from "Forrest W. Christian" at "Apr 4, 2000 07:45:06 pm" To: forrestc@iMach.com (Forrest W. Christian) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG BRAVO!!! Only one small nit... $2.7M/year, starting in 1993 puts it at about a $18.9M price tag. Ohhh.. and don't tell me we didn't have 150 committers back then, as the 10 to 20 of us where putting in way more than 1 hour/day, some where doing more than 40 hrs/week for the first year or two. Some place some where I have the outline for a paper titled ``Free Software, the Real Cost and Who has Payed Them''. Beyond the commiters there was money spent by UCB and a dozen other colleges, much of which came from federal funding via grants and darpa contracts. Another interesting stat to toss out is the average line of code costs something like $50.00 over it's lifetime including maintanance and recoding, if we stayed constant at 6.6M lines it would have a cost/value of $330M!!! > Since I probably am about to step in a puddle of gasoline with what I am > about to say, I'd just like to preface this with this isn't meant as an > attack on anyone, but instead as some food for thought. I'm not > particularly good with saying things in a tactful manner, and I'd rather > not muddy what I'm trying to say by "softening" it. > > It seems that a growing number of posters to the list seem to not > understand that FreeBSD and other OpenSource projects have a real cost > which every user should help to bear. .... > > Now think about this: The "committers" have donated 2.7 million dollars > of labor to FreeBSD, what have you done? $2.7M in just the last year... :-) Ohh.. and the 1 hour/day thing would barely allow a committer the time to read the mandatory -commit mail in order to be a committer :-) Another words each of those 150 people is burning about $18,250/year of his/her own time just reading email. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 23:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B8037B93E for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04909; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:45:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:45:21 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Brooks Davis Cc: lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> <20000404220301.A7355@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000404220301.A7355@orion.ac.hmc.edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:04:26AM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd like to say that I have been keeping stable with freebsd 4.0, and I am using ata with an FIC-VA503+ (VIA Apollo MVP3) mobo and a WD Expert 18GB Hard Drive (which I recommend to anyone) with no problems. I have been updating my kernel as large changes come along and have been amazed at the stability of the OS and the filesystem. When I first installed FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE on an old compaq server, the ncr SCSI driver had some nasty troubles with it that caused the filesystem to corrupt and the kernel to panic whenever the scsi bus was put under more than a moderate load. --cokane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 23:43:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B78637BD4C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA36470; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:43:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200004050643.IAA36470@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000405094647.007c2660@vivaldi> from Sergei Vyshenski at "Apr 5, 2000 09:46:47 am" To: svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru (Sergei Vyshenski) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:43:04 +0200 (CEST) Cc: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa), freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Sergei Vyshenski wrote: > >The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to > >support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be > >sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a > >BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the > >DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade > >your BIOS ?? > > > >-Søren > > > > After more experiments: > 1) A pair of any disks are ok as ad0 and ad1, both in dma mode. > 2) In a pair ad0+ad2, disk ad2 (irrespective of disk make) > is not mounted in dma that easy. BUT, if I wait long enough, > (about 1 min) it says: > "ata1: trying to fallback to PIO mode" > after which I have ad0 in dma, ad2 in pio, and no further problems. > > Very clever behavior in such a case! > Thanks a lot for your response. You're welcome :) > Do you know a way to say that I want just PIO for disk ad2? Use sysctl on the hw.atamodes oid (man ata.4) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 23:48:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D7937B846 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cjbj-000J2J-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:48:07 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:48:07 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>> like hell! i demand a full refund! >>> You'll have to drop by the house later to get that :-) >>> P.S. This would be somewhat hard if you don't live in Boulder :-) >> after i spent many hours of my own time, for which i will be sending you a >> bill, figuring out where to insert the floppy, you think i am going to sit >> by quietly and take public abuse and humiliation from lowly nerd slime on >> this mailing list?!? >> i think i will go run linux! [ and one of a couple of private responses which i will not attribute ] > Please do! Then once you've pissed in your own beer like **** seems > to like doing on a regular basis come crawling back on your hands and > knees. i know it's late at night and we're all out of caffeine etc. but try and maintain a bit of perspective and a sense of humor. warner and i were enjoying a parody of the flaming luser we get twice a month. the smileys and the request for a refund for something that is free might have given you a hint if you were running on a normal caffeine level. now where does that darn floppy go? randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:13: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D66937B928 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA95316; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA77034; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> To: lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:42:01 -0300." <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> References: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:12:10 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> lioux@uol.com.br writes: : I heard some rumors about some instability on the new ATA code : combined with DMA mode. Is this founded? Can I safely build the : latest stable and have a peaceful sleep? Unless you have one of a couple of troublesome chipsets, you are set. The troublesome sets are the cmd640, tz1000 (I think) and the Apollo 82c586B (aka MPV3). The first two are broken in the silcon, while the latter is just broken in current code for the moment. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:15:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1037B868 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA95331; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA77061; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004050714.BAA77061@harmony.village.org> To: Coleman Kane Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: Brooks Davis , lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:45:21 EDT." <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> <20000404220301.A7355@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:14:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> Coleman Kane writes: : am using ata with an FIC-VA503+ (VIA Apollo MVP3) mobo and a WD Expert There have been reports that this is massive unstable with the current (4.x and 5.x) code in DMA mode. I may have confused this with the VIA 82C586B chipset in other mail. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:17:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C059937BC6C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA95344; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA77091; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004050716.BAA77091@harmony.village.org> To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Cc: FreeBSD Stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:48:07 PDT." References: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:16:38 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Randy Bush writes: : now where does that darn floppy go? You left it on the sofa when you dropped by. The refund check is under it. Sadly, after the first 5 beers, we started using it as a coaster. I sure wish AOL would send me another coaster soon, or I'll run through all my Win95 disks given the amount of entertaining I do. Warner "Sans caffeine, preparing for sleep" Losh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:19:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5A137BB51 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA95353; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA77123; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004050718.BAA77123@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:12:10 MDT." <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> References: <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:18:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : Apollo 82c586B (aka MPV3). I have reason to believe that the statement above is inaccurate. I'm confusing two problem children at the moment. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:24:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8BB37BE03 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA92076; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:23:23 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200004050723.JAA92076@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? In-Reply-To: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> from "lioux@uol.com.br" at "Apr 5, 2000 01:42:01 am" To: lioux@uol.com.br Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:23:23 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I heard some rumors about some instability on the new ATA code combined with DMA mode. > Is this founded? Can I safely build the latest stable and have a peaceful sleep? From my experience the new ata driver isn't unstable. Where it works it generally works well. I have 2 machines where I have no problems with it. But like the rest of the PC world, there is no one true standard for things. So there are some chipsets or maybe versions of chipsets or maybe chipset and motherboard combinations where it has problems. In my case a no-name brand motherboard with a VIA 82C586 chipset. But these problems normally show up during instalation or just thereafter. If you didn't have problems during installation or just after that, you should be ok. > Disabling DMA is not acceptable. I am running stable not current. :-) Hehehe. I think you can only demand these things if you pay for the development of the driver. :-) Something that I would really like to see is a way to disable DMA from the boot loader or some other place where it could be done early enough so that the install floppy can work. Maybe make hw.atamodes settable from the boot loader? I don't know how easy it will be, because I think the other sysctls that can be set from there only set a value, but setting hw.atamodes actually calls a function and I don't know if that can be done from the boot loader. Maybe an option in sysinstall? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:26:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B1437B759 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@workhorse.iMach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26061; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:26:09 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Warner Losh Cc: Randy Bush , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge In-Reply-To: <200004050716.BAA77091@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > You left it on the sofa when you dropped by. The refund check is > under it. Sadly, after the first 5 beers, we started using it as a > coaster. I sure wish AOL would send me another coaster soon, or I'll > run through all my Win95 disks given the amount of entertaining I do. The new aol coasters are much cooler than the old ones. The old ones were kinda small to set a drink on... 3.5" isn't that big. I like the fact the newer ones are shiny on the one side and they fit much bigger "drink containers". On a semi-serious note I have a friend who is actually going to shingle his dog's doghouse with (mostly) old AOL and Microsoft CD's. If I remember I will post a url for the picture to the list when it is done.... - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 0:46:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from twizors.rug.ac.be (twizors.rug.ac.be [157.193.55.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77937B89A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Received: from localhost (ageorges@localhost) by twizors.rug.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17526 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Andy Georges To: freebsd-stable@freeBSD.org Subject: 4.0 release - vp0 timeout Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have just finished installing 4.0-release on my (toshiba 320CDS) laptop and i have recompiled the kernel with, amongst others the following options: device scbus device da device ppc0 device ppbus device lpt device ppi device vpo When I boot it detects the vpo thingie and when it tries to find the da stuff it generates this message: vpo0: VPO error/timeout (5) vpo0: VPO error/timeout (2) I have found this question a few times in the archives, but I cannot locate any answer to this problem. Could anyone point out what I'm missing or doing wrong and/or point out some docs on this matter? I have used a similar setup on my 3.4-stable machine and there it finds the da stuff. If you'd need any more info i'll be happy to provide it. Thank you, andy ========================================================================== Dept. of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Ghent Krijgslaan 281 - S9, B - 9000 Ghent, Belgium Phone: +32-9-264.47.66, Fax: +32-9-264.49.95 E-mail: andy.georges@rug.ac.be ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 2:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nyct.net (bsd4.nyct.net [204.141.86.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739E237B9C6 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from efutch@nyct.net) Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (efutch@bsd1.nyct.net [204.141.86.3]) by mail.nyct.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA19884; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:36:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from efutch@nyct.net) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric D. Futch" To: Edwin Mons Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: <38E9EFE2.7F62E91E@spcgroup.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Linux has it's "Black List" of ATA hard drivers that have brokem UDMA support. Someone, probably Soren, made some reference to it once on one of the mailing lists. It lists the drive make/model number and what PIO mode to fall back to. Atleast that's my understanding.. I don't play with Linux nearly as much as FreeBSD :) Maybe someone could make some useful documentation on what to expect if your drive is listed. See linux/drivers/block/ide_modes.h from the Linux Kernel sources or http://quake.nyct.net/~efutch/ide_modes.h The version of ide_modes.h I stuck on the web is from version 2.2.12 which is probably a little stale :) -- Eric Futch New York Connect.Net, Ltd. efutch@nyct.net Technical Support Staff http://www.nyct.net (212) 293-2620 "Bringing New York The Internet Access It Deserves" On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Edwin Mons wrote: >I've seen similar problems with a machine with an old VIA chipset. >FWIW: I think we need a way to tell the kernel before booting that it >shouldn't even try to use DMA/UDMA. Something like the good old device >flags.. > >Regards, >Edwin Mons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 2:40:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB15037BDBD for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id A25AC7C2B; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:40:36 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Message-Id: <20000405094036.A25AC7C2B@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have wanted to contribute documentation, but found no good way to do it. To write documentation, I need authoritative information. That is hard to get. If ther were design documents and programmer's notes, I could take them and convert them into user manuals quite easily. But there are no such documents that I have found so far. To write good documentation I would have to essentially read all the FreeBSD code and reverse-engineer it, following what is being done line by line and variable by variable. That would take a LOT of time. The other alternative I have would be to simply experiment, find out what works, and write it down. That too takes a lot of time, and the information you end up getting is incomplete. I could also follow the FreeBSD-related mailing lists but the information there is very fragment and it's hard to distinguish the authoritative information from the rumors and guesses. -- Rahul Dhesi (spam-filtered with RSS and ORBS) See my ORBS faq: http://www.rahul.net/dhesi/orbs.faq.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 2:52:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3616A37BE43 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.181] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ia717582 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:52:15 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: "Forrest W. Christian" , Warner Losh Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:51:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Randy Bush , FreeBSD Stable References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040506520901.01289@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > > > You left it on the sofa when you dropped by. The refund check is > > under it. Sadly, after the first 5 beers, we started using it as a > > coaster. I sure wish AOL would send me another coaster soon, or I'll > > run through all my Win95 disks given the amount of entertaining I do. > > The new aol coasters are much cooler than the old ones. The old ones were > kinda small to set a drink on... 3.5" isn't that big. > > I like the fact the newer ones are shiny on the one side and they fit much > bigger "drink containers". > > On a semi-serious note I have a friend who is actually going to shingle > his dog's doghouse with (mostly) old AOL and Microsoft CD's. If I > remember I will post a url for the picture to the list when it is done.... And I guarantee someone out there will give you flak for doing it. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 4:13:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A7A37B5B3; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA10740; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:12:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-71.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.71) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma010738; Wed Apr 5 06:11:40 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:10:44 -0500 To: J McKitrick , Adam Steffes From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:10 AM 4/5/00 +0100, J McKitrick wrote: >It never hurts to run mergemaster, especially after a big upgrade, when it >might be important. It's possible some networking option isn't being >controlled correctly, who knows. Just a thought. But if you installed 4.0 >clean, i can't imagine mergemaster making a big difference. Try to cvsup >again tonight. I just did, and i saw changes in ppp. Sometimes it is worth while to run *before* building. Recent additions to make.conf are a good, recent example. Along the same line is updating files in etc via mm and not rebuilding the rest of the system. Recent changes in pccard.conf.sample as an example. Can they make a difference, yes. Certainly if you are not sure what needs updating, then by all means build, install, merge, and remake devices every time,but don't forget about ports either. When libs change (libc_r on 3/22), it is a real good idea to rebuild everything including ports just in case. MySQL uses libc_r and I'd just built it too. 8-/ Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 4:26: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E7537B964 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12cnwT-0000k2-00; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:25:49 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How YOU can contribute (was Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:40:36 MST." <20000405094036.A25AC7C2B@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:25:49 +0200 Message-ID: <2853.954933949@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:40:36 MST, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > I have wanted to contribute documentation, but found no good way to do > it. > > To write documentation, I need authoritative information. That is hard > to get. A lot of people have expressed the same sentiment, so here's one way you can help. Subscribe to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. Don't answer questions for at least a week or two. Just read what goes on, get to recognize a few names etc. Also, I suggest keeping local copies of the messages you have read, since I don't really like our archive search engine (personal preference). Once you feel "at home" on the list, start watching out for recurring questions which are either not answered in the FAQ nor Handbook or to which these documents provide obsolete answers. When you notice such a question, grovel back through your archives for the answers posted on the list. Condense the answers that didn't get got shot down (and there are lots of those). For each FAQ entry and corresponding answer that you come up with, submit a PR. If you don't feel comfortable creating patches against the sgml doc sources, just send in the plain text. Not sending patches will slow the process of incorporating your submission into the FAQ, but there are folks who're willing to make patches given plain text, if you give them enough time. Oh, and if you submit a patch instead of plain text, stick "[PATCH]" at the beginning of the Synopsis for the PR. And please please PLEASE! Do not be disheartened if your first few submissions are turned down. Although it's usually true that "something is better than nothing", the reality is that many committers prefer to wait for "something better" if what you submit is clumsy or could be improved on. Now remember that nobody is obliged to contribute to FreeBSD in this way. However, if you really _do_ want to help, you now know how! :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 5:13:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66037B89B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: from earth.fxp (oca-u1-22.hitter.net [207.192.78.22]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6902A9B17; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@earth.fxp To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free In-Reply-To: <20000405094036.A25AC7C2B@yellow.rahul.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > I have wanted to contribute documentation, but found no good way to do > it. > > To write documentation, I need authoritative information. That is hard > to get. If ther were design documents and programmer's notes, I could > take them and convert them into user manuals quite easily. But there > are no such documents that I have found so far. To write good > documentation I would have to essentially read all the FreeBSD code and > reverse-engineer it, following what is being done line by line and > variable by variable. That would take a LOT of time. > > The other alternative I have would be to simply experiment, find out > what works, and write it down. That too takes a lot of time, and the > information you end up getting is incomplete. > You seem to be forgetting the most obvious way to get information...just ask. Most of FreeBSD's code has the authors/maintainers names embedded in it somewhere. In addition to the authors/maintainers, there are many knowledgable people subscribed to FreeBSD's veritable plethora of technical mailing lists that have the knowledge that you require and would love to share. Just remember, interpersonal communication is still allowed, even in this digital age. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 5:43:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE5A37B5B3 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA80556; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:43:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200004051243.IAA80556@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge In-Reply-To: <200004050716.BAA77091@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Apr 5, 2000 1:16:38 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: randy@psg.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message Randy Bush writes: > : now where does that darn floppy go? > > You left it on the sofa when you dropped by. The refund check is > under it. Sadly, after the first 5 beers, we started using it as a > coaster. I sure wish AOL would send me another coaster soon, or I'll > run through all my Win95 disks given the amount of entertaining I do. > > Warner "Sans caffeine, preparing for sleep" Losh [To combine two threads here...] You have a check for $330 million that you're using as a coaster? Remind me to come to Boulder for your next party. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 6:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C7137B740; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cpxh-000NUy-0U; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:35:18 +0100 Received: from henny.qubesoft.com (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12437; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:37:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: Parallel port zip drives - inventory of working and non-working systems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could anyone who uses a Parallel Zip drive with FreeBSD 4.0 and up ('and better' I almost wrote there :-) send me a message wether it works? I'm trying to resolve PR 16153, but have no clue where to look If it does not work, please tell me - what version of the OS you are using - at which point it stoppped working (date, version of FreeBSD, which upgrade step, etc.) - if possible and you are willing, please send me the output dmesg as an attachment. Thanks in advance! Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 6:51:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2FE37B50B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA94510 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA82222 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> Subject: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" libstdc++ c++ -O2 -pipe -mcpu=i686 -march=i686 -fexpensive-optimizations -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stl -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++ -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/../gcc/cp/inc -I. -nostdinc++ -fno-implicit-templates -c /home/mi/src/gnu /lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stdexcepti.cc -o stdexcepti.o In file included from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ stl/alloc.h:21, from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ std/bastring.h:39, from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ string:6, from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ stdexcept:36, from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ stdexcepti.cc:8: /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stl/stl_alloc.h:45: io stream.h: No such file or directory If I copy the iostream.h from contrib/libio i get a bunch of compilation errors :( This is quite upsetting and there is not a word in UPDATING, which claims to be obsoletee nor on the mailing lists. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:17:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF59337B65B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cqcb-00069x-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:17:29 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13461; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:17:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:17:28 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day Message-ID: <20000405151728.C13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton>; from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:51:12AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:51:12AM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > If I copy the iostream.h from contrib/libio i get a bunch of compilation > errors :( This is quite upsetting and there is not a word in UPDATING, > which claims to be obsoletee nor on the mailing lists. I would say, just sit back and relax and give it a few days. There really is no reason to cvsup and rebuild frequently anyway, is there? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:18:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1308937B9F5 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cqdK-0006Cb-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:18:14 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13480; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:18:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:18:13 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Warner Losh Cc: lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405151813.D13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:12:10AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:12:10AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > 82c586B (aka MPV3). The first two are broken in the silcon, while the > latter is just broken in current code for the moment. What is the 'silcon'? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:20:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A615637B783 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA94642; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA82530; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004051420.KAA82530@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day In-Reply-To: <20000405151728.C13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> from J McKitrick at "Apr 5, 2000 03:17:28 pm" To: J McKitrick Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" If I copy the iostream.h from contrib/libio i get a bunch of => compilation errors :( This is quite upsetting and there is not a word => in UPDATING, which claims to be obsoletee nor on the mailing lists. = =I would say, just sit back and relax and give it a few days. There =really is no reason to cvsup and rebuild frequently anyway, is there? There is for me -- this was my plan -- download the minimal install once. cvsup and build a release CD here to install on several other machines. It is painful to see -stable broken so severely. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:34:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from brutele02.brutele.be (brutele02.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC97637B806 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flupke@mail.com) Received: from mail.com ([212.68.201.2]) by brutele02.brutele.be (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26719 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:36:18 +0200 From: flupke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: building kernel in 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not too unfamiliar with the unix environement, as I've been using linux for about 3 or 4 years, now, but I'm a brand new user of freeBSD. I installed the 4.0 verion yesterday. So please don't flame me if my questions have a too "newbie" level, or if I'm adressing my request to the wrong list. I wanted to build a new kernel following the instructions described in the handbook in order to use my TV card, but I encounterd several problems : 1) I discovered that the handbook has been written for the 3.4 freeBSD version, and that the execution of /usr/sbin/config reported some obsolete (or even unknown) keywords and drivers in my config file. Could someone tell me where I can find a manual to configure the kernel I'm running? 2) I use lilo to boot my machine. I read that I could choose the kernel to boot with the freeBSD boot loader, but can I do this with lilo? Because of course, I'm afraid to build a bad configured kernel. 3) All the devices are not listed in the handbook, so I wonder : do I just have to add the lines 'device bktr0' and 'device vr0' in order to have my bttv and D-Link cards recognized by the kernel? Thanks in advance for your answers. Flupke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:39:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EE337B57A; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cqxe-0007sr-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:39:14 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13696; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:39:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:39:14 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: Re: Parallel port zip drives - inventory of working and non-working systems Message-ID: <20000405153914.A13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from n_hibma@calcaphon.com on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 02:31:55PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone recall seeing or making a remark about a group of interrupts or hardware port locations that could be causing this problem? I was searching my email and i can't find it. Someone said 4.0 allocates a group of hardware locations (0x380-0x3f0?) differently from 3.4, and that this may affect the parallel port allocation on laptops. Has anyone had this zip timeout error on a desktop machine and not been able to fix it? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:41:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405EA37B836 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cqzp-00084c-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:41:29 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13717; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:41:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:41:29 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: flupke Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 Message-ID: <20000405154129.B13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com>; from flupke@mail.com on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:36:18PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:36:18PM +0200, flupke wrote: > 1) I discovered that the handbook has been written for the 3.4 freeBSD > version, and that the execution of /usr/sbin/config reported some > obsolete (or even unknown) keywords and drivers in my config file. Could > someone tell me where I can find a manual to configure the kernel I'm > running? In the same directory as your kernel config should be GENERIC and LINT. GENERIC conatins man popular configs, while LINT contains pretty much everything. CHeck it out. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:45:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5D37B569; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cr3u-0008GA-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:45:42 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13765; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:45:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:45:42 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: Adam Steffes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2>; from jeff-ml@mountin.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:10:44AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:10:44AM -0500, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > Sometimes it is worth while to run *before* building. Recent additions to > make.conf are a good, recent example. Along the same line is updating > files in etc via mm and not rebuilding the rest of the system. Recent > changes in pccard.conf.sample as an example. Can they make a difference, yes. What do you mean here? What changed in pccard.conf? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 7:52:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from twizors.rug.ac.be (twizors.rug.ac.be [157.193.55.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2018937BC2A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Received: from localhost (ageorges@localhost) by twizors.rug.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18400; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:57:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:57:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Andy Georges To: flupke Cc: freeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 In-Reply-To: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yow, > I'm not too unfamiliar with the unix environement, as I've been using > linux for about 3 or 4 years, now, but I'm a brand new user of freeBSD. > I installed the 4.0 verion yesterday. So please don't flame me if my > questions have a too "newbie" level, or if I'm adressing my request to > the wrong list. i suppose you might ask this sort of questions on freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, but i'm not completely sure since i only started reading this list a few weeks ago, so perhaps i also post questions in here that don't really belong here. > 1) I discovered that the handbook has been written for the 3.4 freeBSD > version, and that the execution of /usr/sbin/config reported some > obsolete (or even unknown) keywords and drivers in my config file. Could > someone tell me where I can find a manual to configure the kernel I'm > running? you should look at /sys/i386/conf/LINT all the kernel options and devices etc. are listed there. If you don't know what it might do, don't touch it the first time :-) you might just make a copy of GENERIC to say MYKERNEL (as they so originally put it :-) and adjust a number of options etc. in there. Don't start editing LINT. > 2) I use lilo to boot my machine. I read that I could choose the kernel > to boot with the freeBSD boot loader, but can I do this with lilo? > Because of course, I'm afraid to build a bad configured kernel. hmm i have no idea . there should be a document somewhere explaining how to use Linux & fbsd next to each other, perhaps it's in there... > 3) All the devices are not listed in the handbook, so I wonder : do I > just have to add the lines 'device bktr0' and 'device vr0' in order to > have my bttv and D-Link cards recognized by the kernel? if they're in the LINT file, just go ahead and see what it does. hope this helps, Andy ========================================================================== Dept. of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Ghent Krijgslaan 281 - S9, B - 9000 Ghent, Belgium Phone: +32-9-264.47.66, Fax: +32-9-264.49.95 E-mail: andy.georges@rug.ac.be ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8: 5:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1AF37BA7C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf.eng.demon.net (fanf.eng.demon.net [195.11.55.89]) by internal.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id QAA24674; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:05:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf by fanf.eng.demon.net with local (Exim 3.12 #3) id 12crMx-000Jh0-00; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:05:23 +0100 To: blk@skynet.be From: Tony Finch Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world failed In-Reply-To: References: <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> <200004042349.TAA78471@blackhelicopters.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:05:23 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brad Knowles wrote: >At 7:49 PM -0400 2000/4/4, Michael Lucas wrote: >> >> What the *heck* does POLA stand for, exactly? Path Of Least Action? > > I think we need a BSD Jargon File. ;-) NetBSD has /usr/share/misc/acronyms (they have some other cool stuff there like the airport, country, and domains lists). Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at 453 palpably pointless payload To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:12:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8287F37BBF9 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22448; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02052; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200004051506.LAA02052@world.std.com> To: flupke Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 10:40:17 2000 >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:36:18 +0200 > >2) I use lilo to boot my machine. I read that I could choose the >kernel to boot with the freeBSD boot loader, but can I do this >with lilo? Because of course, I'm afraid to build a bad >configured kernel. I use LILO all the time to boot my FreeBSD. Just make a lilo.conf in Linux that has your boot slice as one of its targets/stanzas, same as you would for (for example) MS-DOS. Also make sure you do *not* update the MBR or such during FreeBSD's install. This brings me to a question though: Is there a boot-manager for *BSD that does *not* update the MBR? For example, I want a "default" boot that does *not* "remember" the "last OS booted" (& therefore does not update either the MBR or other similar/related structures, unless I tell it to :). >Thanks in advance for your answers. >Flupke -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:31:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBB637BCB2; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DD9DCB0; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:31:02 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:30:43 +0200 To: FreeBSD-CURRENT Mailing List , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List From: Brad Knowles Subject: Kudos to all! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, I'd like to extend my thanks and give kudos to all who have been involved in the process of creating FreeBSD 4.0, from -CURRENT up through -STABLE, and beyond to wherever that might take us. We had a new Dell PowerEdge 6350/500 server that arrived here yesterday, and although the machine was bought to run Windows NT as a games server, the admin of the machine wanted to install and run Linux on it first, just to play around. Well, Slackware, Debian, and RedHat all seriously bombed out in one way or another. He even tried OpenBSD, but again no luck. They were convinced that there was a very serious hardware problem, and that they'd have to ship the machine back. On a lark, I slipped in a FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE kernel floppy, and began what is clearly the easiest and simplest boot & installation procedure that they appear to have ever seen. It worked the first time without a single hiccup, it installed in *way* less time than anything else they've ever done before, and I think I pretty seriously embarrassed them. ;-) I don't know if this will win us any converts from the die-hard Linux camp, but I think it certainly demonstrates the quality of the product that this project has produced. Oh, and the machine did get very quickly wiped -- it's running NT now. However, I don't think they'll ever bother to try to run Linux on it again. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:31:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414F137BD71 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09791; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:26:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12crgw-0006LI-00 for ; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:26:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:26:02 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day Message-ID: <20000405172602.C16817@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton>; from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:51:12AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Please, do not take my message as an attempt to nit-pick on you, I am trying to help you... because I managed to do a *succesful* buildworld just 2 days ago. While looking at the output I noticed several things: On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:51:12AM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > It seems, a bunch of header files are not where they are exected :( > > I installed a fresh 4-stable yesterday (minimal install), cvsuped and > keep trying to rebuild the world. > > After copying a bunch of things (like _G_config.h) around I'm stumbled with: > > ===> libstdc++ > c++ -O2 -pipe -mcpu=i686 -march=i686 -fexpensive-optimizations ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I cannot see these in the Makefile... are you sure that such optimisations are in order when building the world? Also: > -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stl > -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++ > -I/home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/../gcc/cp/inc > -I. -nostdinc++ -fno-implicit-templates -c /home/mi/src/gnu Hmmm... let's see the "original" from my logs: c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++ -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/../libio -I. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stl -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++ -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/../gcc/cp/inc -I. -nostdinc++ -fno-implicit-templates -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stdexcepti.cc -o stdexcepti.o I take it you are using a modified Makefile? Because quite a few -I statements are missing from your output, with libio being one of them... Yours: -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libstdc++/stl -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libstdc++ -${SRCDIR}/contrib/gcc/cp/inc Stock (v 1.24, 1999/11/15 04:16:19 obrien) for RELENG_4 and HEAD: -${OBJDIR}/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -${SRCDIR}/gnu/lib/libstdc++ -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libstdc++/include -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libio -${OBJDIR}/usr/src/i386/usr/include -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libstdc++/stl -${SRCDIR}/contrib/libstdc++ -${SRCDIR}/contrib/gcc/cp/inc Quite a lot of 'em... are you sure g++ can find everything in the dirs specified by your Makefile? (just because you said you copied things around) Hope this helps somewhat... Cheers: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary > /lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stdexcepti.cc -o stdexcepti.o > In file included from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ > stl/alloc.h:21, > from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ > std/bastring.h:39, > from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ > string:6, > from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ > stdexcept:36, > from /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/ > stdexcepti.cc:8: > /home/mi/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/stl/stl_alloc.h:45: io > stream.h: No such file or directory > > If I copy the iostream.h from contrib/libio i get a bunch of compilation > errors :( This is quite upsetting and there is not a word in UPDATING, > which claims to be obsoletee nor on the mailing lists. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:42:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0779F37B63D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9184818E9B; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:11:59 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> References: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:10:23 +0200 To: flupke , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:36 PM +0200 2000/4/5, flupke wrote: > 1) I discovered that the handbook has been written for the 3.4 freeBSD > version, and that the execution of /usr/sbin/config reported some > obsolete (or even unknown) keywords and drivers in my config file. Could > someone tell me where I can find a manual to configure the kernel I'm > running? The suggestion I have is that you go to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and take the GENERIC kernel, and remove the stuff you know you don't need from it (for example, you probably have only one type of Ethernet interface, so you might not want to have all the others). Follow the general instructions in the handbook, but where it shows a configuration one way and the GENERIC kernel shows it the other, use the method shown in the GENERIC kernel. Then your only remaining question might be how to add the kernel option for your new card, and hopefully you'll have enough examples in the GENERIC kernel that you can figure this out. Now, once you've done this, I'd ask you to do one more thing -- submit the steps you went through and the places where the handbook no longer reflects the reality of 4.0-STABLE to the folks in the documentation project, so that they can update the handbook. > 3) All the devices are not listed in the handbook, so I wonder : do I > just have to add the lines 'device bktr0' and 'device vr0' in order to > have my bttv and D-Link cards recognized by the kernel? I hope you'll be able to answer this question for yourself by looking at the other examples in the GENERIC kernel. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:54:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9766937BB75; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA98357; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:54:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00480; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:11:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200004050711.IAA00480@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Adam Steffes Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S In-Reply-To: Message from Adam Steffes of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:09:21 PDT." <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:11:04 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi all. I installed 4.0-R yesterday, cvsup-ed, and built 4.0-S and a > new kernel. Since then, ppp doesn't behave. Under 4.0-R, it was fine, > using my ppp.conf file from 3.4-S. Under 4.0-S, ppp (when run in user > mode, on the command line) goes to "Ppp" and then back to "ppp" and > hangs up. If I use 'term' and the at commands manually, I can make it > work (though it doesn't set a default route - I add that, too, by hand), > this is a major pain in the rear. > > I compared my 3.4-S ppp.conf to the new one that came in > /usr/share/examples/ppp with 4.0-S, and don't see any differences. > > Any ideas? At a guess, you're failing authentication because you now need to escape the '#' in your password ? Be careful about quoting (``"'') the # though.... there's another bug that was just plugged in this respect ! > Adam -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 8:58:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vihta.saunalahti.fi (posti.saunalahti.fi [195.74.0.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0909837BC94 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MDCCXXVI.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.41.226]) by vihta.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14065 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:50:46 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000404220906.K53658@cage.tse-online.de> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:57:23 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka Simila To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I paid some attention to this thread when it started, but i was away for a couple of days and when I saw this ... flow of messages i just couldn't resist: I upgraded from 3.4-RELEASE to 3.4-STABLE at 26. March 2000 i think, that was the first updating I ever had done with cvsup and make world. That's when I subscribed to -stable. Since it went so smoothly, I didn't have a single problem, I decided to try 4.0-STABLE, and tried it at 29. March. I'm not sure if this thread had started then already, but anyway: I read the fine manuals, handbook at my machine and at www.frebsd.org, and those release notes for 4.0. After that I cvsup'd 4.0 sources and did a very simple thing, that I usually do when I enter a directory: #cd /usr/src #ls that showed me a list of files, and there was BIG LETTERS: UPDATING I thought, well, I'm now running 3.4, and I'm about to install 4.0, so I'd guess that's called UPDATING. Some common sense, I think? I read the UPDATING and followed those very simple instructions there (well I have to admit I couldn't build a custom kernel before I had updated the system with GENERIC, but that really isn't a big problem) And here I am: >uname -a FreeBSD sjukebox 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #2: Thu Mar 30 20:38:49 EEST 2000 sjuke@sjukebox:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELERON i386 So, I updated from 3.4-release to 4.0-stable within a few days, and those was the first updates I've ever done. I didn't have a single problem, and I really didn't need to use mailing list resources for the updating. So I'd say the information provided in thos files and online was enough, and I'd like to say big thanks to those who had done them so fine. So here is one happy FBSD user who thinks someone has done good work. And please, don't take this message as a reason to start another flow of messages, I'm behind a 56K modem ;) @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 9: 0:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A475837B54E; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28744; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day In-Reply-To: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > It seems, a bunch of header files are not where they are exected :( You seem to have CXXFLAGS set in your environment - unset it. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 9: 1:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6879337BA7C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA94869; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA82832; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004051601.MAA82832@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day In-Reply-To: <20000405172602.C16817@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> from Szilveszter Adam at "Apr 5, 2000 05:26:02 pm" To: Szilveszter Adam Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA96879; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA79242; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004051614.KAA79242@harmony.village.org> To: J McKitrick Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:18:13 BST." <20000405151813.D13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000405151813.D13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:14:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405151813.D13265@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: : On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:12:10AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : > 82c586B (aka MPV3). The first two are broken in the silcon, while the : > latter is just broken in current code for the moment. : : What is the 'silcon'? It is silicon spelled more frugally than normal. :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 9:15:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1504437BE79 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e35Geoh03176; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:50 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: flupke Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 Message-ID: <20000405094050.E20770@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EB4F62.F9F5356@mail.com>; from flupke@mail.com on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:36:18PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * flupke [000405 08:02] wrote: > I'm not too unfamiliar with the unix environement, as I've been using > linux for about 3 or 4 years, now, but I'm a brand new user of freeBSD. > I installed the 4.0 verion yesterday. So please don't flame me if my > questions have a too "newbie" level, or if I'm adressing my request to > the wrong list. > I wanted to build a new kernel following the instructions described in > the handbook in order to use my TV card, but I encounterd several > problems : > > 1) I discovered that the handbook has been written for the 3.4 freeBSD > version, and that the execution of /usr/sbin/config reported some > obsolete (or even unknown) keywords and drivers in my config file. Could > someone tell me where I can find a manual to configure the kernel I'm > running? > > 2) I use lilo to boot my machine. I read that I could choose the kernel > to boot with the freeBSD boot loader, but can I do this with lilo? > Because of course, I'm afraid to build a bad configured kernel. > > 3) All the devices are not listed in the handbook, so I wonder : do I > just have to add the lines 'device bktr0' and 'device vr0' in order to > have my bttv and D-Link cards recognized by the kernel? You can use the LINT and GENERIC files as templates for configuring your kernel. LINT contains all the devices, and GENERIC contains the default kernel config, you'll want to make a copy of GENERIC and add things from LINT as needed. The config program should be pretty helpful in diagnosing crufy 3.x options and should be pretty clear on what you need to do like removing "conflicts" and changing "disk" to "device". -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 9:27: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.clarkson.edu (mail.clarkson.edu [128.153.4.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC80B37B6FC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tuinstra@clarkson.edu) Received: (qmail 8826 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 16:26:46 -0000 Received: from sc-1-252.sc.clarkson.edu (HELO clarkson.edu) (128.153.23.143) by mail.clarkson.edu with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 16:26:46 -0000 Message-ID: <38EC1069.D383F986@clarkson.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:19:53 -0400 From: Dwight Tuinstra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 References: <200004051506.LAA02052@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kenneth W Cochran wrote: [snip] > This brings me to a question though: > Is there a boot-manager for *BSD that does *not* update the MBR? > For example, I want a "default" boot that does *not* "remember" > the "last OS booted" (& therefore does not update either the MBR > or other similar/related structures, unless I tell it to :). The "osbsbeta" boot manager, found in the "tools" directory, does not update the default to the last OS booted. However, I don't know if it leaves the MBR untouched. There are some docs for it (either in the same directory or in one of the subdirectories). HTH. --Dwight Tuinstra tuinNOSPAMstra.clarkson.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:10:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F09937B755 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06558; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:14:52 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Warner Losh Cc: Coleman Kane , Brooks Davis , lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405131452.A6538@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> <20000405014201.C41981@Fedaykin.here> <20000404220301.A7355@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> <200004050714.BAA77061@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004050714.BAA77061@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 03:15:35AM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah, I saw those. I have not noticed any problems with 4.x. The MVP3 is the 82c586B. I have updated on about a bi-daily basis with the kernel and have not noticed any corruption or other problems. Many people were blaming the controller, but it is probably rooted in the mix of their hard drives and the MVP3 I'll bet. One person mentioned using a JTS Champ hard drive. These drives were all recalled osme time ago because of faulty circuitry...and the cheap end of the MAxtor line has always caused problems for me, no matter what the controller. Cheap seagates were also troublesome, especially the LP drives. --cokane Warner Losh had the audacity to say: > > In message <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> Coleman Kane writes: > : am using ata with an FIC-VA503+ (VIA Apollo MVP3) mobo and a WD Expert > > There have been reports that this is massive unstable with the current > (4.x and 5.x) code in DMA mode. I may have confused this with the VIA > 82C586B chipset in other mail. > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:10:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from student-mailhub.dcu.ie (ns.dcu.ie [136.206.1.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0F937B951 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (postfix@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie [136.206.15.5]) by student-mailhub.dcu.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-FD) with ESMTP id SAA15762 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:10:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2034) id E03D77CB2; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:08:55 +0100 (IST) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:08:55 +0000 From: David Murphy To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000405180855.O13499@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20000404220906.K53658@cage.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from juksi@iname.com on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:57:23PM +0300 X-no-archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting by Jukka Simila : > that showed me a list of files, and there was BIG LETTERS: UPDATING > I thought, well, I'm now running 3.4, and I'm about to install 4.0, > so I'd guess that's called UPDATING. Some common sense, I think? I > read the UPDATING and followed those very simple instructions there > (well I have to admit I couldn't build a custom kernel before I had > updated the system with GENERIC, but that really isn't a big > problem) Where in UPDATING did you find the update instructions? I did the same as you, except when I came to read UPDATING, it looked like a changelog, so i stopped reading after a 5 pages or so - little did I know at the time that the critical instructions were at the end of the file. Shortly after, those paragraphs were moved to the top of UPDATING, which is a vast improvement, and greatly improves the chances of basically clueful people finding the instructions. It's this level of improvement that the docs need most - moving/putting pointers to pre-existing text to places where the basically clueful will look. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:27:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCB337B919; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14416; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:23:39 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: J McKitrick Cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Adam Steffes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 03:45:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 03:45:42PM +0100, J McKitrick wrote: > On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:10:44AM -0500, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > Sometimes it is worth while to run *before* building. Recent additions to > > make.conf are a good, recent example. Along the same line is updating > > files in etc via mm and not rebuilding the rest of the system. Recent > > changes in pccard.conf.sample as an example. Can they make a difference, yes. > > What do you mean here? What changed in pccard.conf? In current, pccard.conf.sample was copied to /etc/defaults/pccard.conf. A new include directive was added to pccardd so /etc/defaults/pccard.conf reads /etc/pccard.conf for local overrides like with rc.conf and defaults/rc.conf. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:30:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCB537B861 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02597; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:30:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200004050718.BAA77123@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, lioux@uol.com.br Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Apr-00 Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200004050712.BAA77034@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: >: Apollo 82c586B (aka MPV3). > > I have reason to believe that the statement above is inaccurate. I'm > confusing two problem children at the moment. I have the motherboard mentioned (FIC 503+ or whatever it's called) with the following Apollo chips on-board currently running 3.4: chip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x00 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x41 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on pci0.7.1 chip3: rev 0x10 on pci0.7.3 Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power management chip. :) > Warner -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:38:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62A737B991; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12ctkb-000N9e-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:37:57 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23154; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:37:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:37:53 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Brooks Davis Cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Adam Steffes , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 10:23:39AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a strange problem with my pcmcia modem. When using the pccard entry that is for my card, it doesn't work. I have to change the IRQ. No idea why. When i started with FreeBSD, i had problems with pcmcia. I asked another toshiba owner for his kernel config, and it worked. I'm lucky i got it, because if i hadn't i wouldn't have known enough to figure out the IRQ problem or how to find the correct one. I really lucked out. I wonder why that happened, since the entry in the sample conf file is the exact same model of modem, but the IRQ is wrong, at least for me. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:41:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from twizors.rug.ac.be (twizors.rug.ac.be [157.193.55.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF27437BC88 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Received: from localhost (ageorges@localhost) by twizors.rug.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18760 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:47:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:47:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Andy Georges To: freebsd-stable@freeBSD.org Subject: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, should i be able to just use this pcmcia card, i have compiled all the pcmcia stuff into the kernel as well as specified the line device xe0 at isa ? or do i have to retreive the xe package from ftp://dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org/pub/scott/xe_drv/ ? thx, zors ========================================================================== Dept. of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Ghent Krijgslaan 281 - S9, B - 9000 Ghent, Belgium Phone: +32-9-264.47.66, Fax: +32-9-264.49.95 E-mail: andy.georges@rug.ac.be ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:43:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9660E37B7E9; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA97194; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA80005; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:42:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org> To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, lioux@uol.com.br In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:30:00 EDT." <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> References: <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:42:45 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> John Baldwin writes: : Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power : management chip. :) So are you having problems? It may also be FIC mobo, of which we've had such glowing reviews of late (after glow from being roasted :-). Maybe I should moderate the UPDATING entry I made? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 10:57:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A953937B6FC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00572; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200004051802.LAA00572@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: flupke , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building kernel in 4.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:06:35 EDT." <200004051506.LAA02052@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:02:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This brings me to a question though: > Is there a boot-manager for *BSD that does *not* update the MBR? > For example, I want a "default" boot that does *not* "remember" > the "last OS booted" (& therefore does not update either the MBR > or other similar/related structures, unless I tell it to :). boot0 can be configured this way. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 11: 2:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D1737B92E; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA95146; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA83117; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004051802.OAA83117@rtfm.newton> Subject: Linksys: PCMPC200 To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02638; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004051810.OAA02638@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: lioux@uol.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Apr-00 Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> John Baldwin writes: >: Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power >: management chip. :) > > So are you having problems? It may also be FIC mobo, of which we've > had such glowing reviews of late (after glow from being roasted :-). > > Maybe I should moderate the UPDATING entry I made? I haven't put 4.0 on it yet, so I don't know how it does under 4.0 I'm afraid. > Warner -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 11:13:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 27DBB37BBE8; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net Cc: stable@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <200004051802.OAA83117@rtfm.newton> (message from Mikhail Teterin on Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Linksys: PCMPC200 Message-Id: <20000405181327.27DBB37BBE8@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Should the subject work with FreeBSD-4? The install kernel does NOT see > it... Do I need PAO for that? The earlier PCMPC-100 is listed in > pcard.conf.sample PCMPC200 ? isnt that a card bus card? we dont support card bus at this time. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 11:50:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3D437B970; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06894; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:55:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:55:59 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: John Baldwin Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405145559.A6856@evil.2y.net> References: <200004050718.BAA77123@harmony.village.org> <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx>; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:33:00PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are incorrect. The 586B is the southbridge which incorporates the ATA controller, PCI-ISA bridge, ACPI interface, and various other functions. The original 82c586 was part of the non-Super 7 VP3 chipset that was the first Socket7 AGP. The 82c586A was a laeter revision of the southbridge, and the 82c586B is the latest and it's been around for awhile. The notation 82C586x denotes x as a dynamic variable, which can exist or not, and can be whatever. The featureset of the original 586 is very close to that of the newest 586B. --cokane John Baldwin had the audacity to say: > chip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.0.0 > chip1: rev 0x00 on pci0.1.0 > chip2: rev 0x41 on pci0.7.0 > ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on pci0.7.1 > chip3: rev 0x10 on pci0.7.3 > > Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power > management chip. :) > > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 11:56:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AF637BD58; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06938; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:01:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:01:46 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Warner Losh Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> References: <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:47:23PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh had the audacity to say: > In message <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> John Baldwin writes: > : Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power > : management chip. :) > > So are you having problems? It may also be FIC mobo, of which we've > had such glowing reviews of late (after glow from being roasted :-). The original point was that the troubles weren't necessarily chipset-specific or mobo specific. There is probably some code that needs to be dealt with. I have never had trouble with my FIC mobo at all. I keep my primary ata channel dedicated to the hd, and my second is used for cdroms and whatever other device I connect to the bus. If you are connecting four devices to your IDE bus and maxing it out that may be causing trouble. I never really recommend more than one UDMA hard drive on a channel due to performance concerns, and also that sometimes masters don't get along with their slaves. Of course, this shouldn't cause problems, but who knows? --cokane > > Maybe I should moderate the UPDATING entry I made? > > Warner > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 11:57: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAD2437C35D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 50413 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Apr 2000 18:56:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 18:56:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Coleman Kane Cc: John Baldwin , Warner Losh , FreeBSD-STABLE , lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? In-Reply-To: <20000405145559.A6856@evil.2y.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 And to add one of those annoying "me too" posts, I absolutely cannot get my setup to work. It's as follows: 4.0-STABLE as of April 3 2000 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ad0: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 1549MB [3148/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using WDMA2 ad0 and acd0 work fine, ad1 does not. It bombs with the following error: ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0ata0-slave: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status=59 error=04 ad1: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode ad1: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0 sysctl settings: hw.atamodes: dma,pio,dma,---, I know the drive is fine, it works under the wd? drivers but that's a less than ideal situation. My original posting about this got a reply from Jordon saying that it was the rollover reason for 4.0-RELEASE, but the bug is still there and I'm at a loss and quite frustrated. Regards, Matt On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Coleman Kane wrote: : Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:55:59 -0400 : From: Coleman Kane : To: John Baldwin : Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, : lioux@uol.com.br : Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? : : You are incorrect. The 586B is the southbridge which incorporates the ATA : controller, PCI-ISA bridge, ACPI interface, and various other functions. The : original 82c586 was part of the non-Super 7 VP3 chipset that was the first : Socket7 AGP. The 82c586A was a laeter revision of the southbridge, and the : 82c586B is the latest and it's been around for awhile. The notation 82C586x : denotes x as a dynamic variable, which can exist or not, and can be whatever. : The featureset of the original 586 is very close to that of the newest 586B. : : --cokane : : John Baldwin had the audacity to say: : > chip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.0.0 : > chip1: rev 0x00 on pci0.1.0 : > chip2: rev 0x41 on pci0.7.0 : > ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on pci0.7.1 : > chip3: rev 0x10 on pci0.7.3 : > : > Perhaps the 82C586x is the problem child? Note that the -B chip is the power : > management chip. :) : > : > > Warner : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE464xtdMMtMcA1U5ARAovLAKCcmZQFfYAVNlZwL6Aw1AfH7RQmHgCgk5ZI MgOx6FDoyEPbH152RogKbpw= =gpQi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 12:27:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47337BA38 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06739; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:08:34 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200004051908.VAA06739@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? In-Reply-To: <20000405131452.A6538@evil.2y.net> from Coleman Kane at "Apr 5, 2000 01:14:52 pm" To: cokane@one.net (Coleman Kane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:08:34 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm pretty sure the problem is not the disks in my case. I have tried a Seagate ST36531A and a Samsung SW0434A. Both do work without a problem in another motherboard with a different chipset. Here are a few reasons why it can work for you and not some others: Maybe VIA changed something in the chip and didn't change the number of the chip. (On the 596 they only changed the revision number and added 66M DMA if I understand the code correctly.) Maybe the ata driver don't configure all registers and assume the BIOS will do some and the BIOSes do it different. Maybe the motherboard designers screwed up somewhere which make 33M DMA not work on those boards. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za > Yeah, I saw those. I have not noticed any problems with 4.x. The MVP3 is the > 82c586B. I have updated on about a bi-daily basis with the kernel and have not > noticed any corruption or other problems. Many people were blaming the > controller, but it is probably rooted in the mix of their hard drives and the > MVP3 I'll bet. One person mentioned using a JTS Champ hard drive. These drives > were all recalled osme time ago because of faulty circuitry...and the cheap end > of the MAxtor line has always caused problems for me, no matter what the > controller. Cheap seagates were also troublesome, especially the LP drives. > > --cokane > > Warner Losh had the audacity to say: > > > > In message <20000405024521.B4835@evil.2y.net> Coleman Kane writes: > > : am using ata with an FIC-VA503+ (VIA Apollo MVP3) mobo and a WD Expert > > > > There have been reports that this is massive unstable with the current > > (4.x and 5.x) code in DMA mode. I may have confused this with the VIA > > 82C586B chipset in other mail. > > > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:15:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from posgate.acis.com.au (posgate.acis.com.au [203.14.230.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E615E37B603 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (uucp@localhost) by posgate.acis.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA15106; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:14:51 +1000 Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (central.apana.org.au [203.9.107.245]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA22039; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:31:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:28:08 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: Edwin Mons Cc: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: <38E9EFE2.7F62E91E@spcgroup.nl> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Edwin Mons wrote: > > The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to > > support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be > > sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a > > BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the > > DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade > > your BIOS ?? > > I've seen similar problems with a machine with an old VIA chipset. > FWIW: I think we need a way to tell the kernel before booting that it > shouldn't even try to use DMA/UDMA. Something like the good old device > flags.. Or inverting the defaults so that PIO is the default and sysctl is required to enable DMA. -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au (work) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (play) | Belconnen ACT 2616 andymac@pcug.org.au (play2) | Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:19:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4518C37BD2C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA49922; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:19:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: imp@village.org Subject: MAKEDEV in UPDATING Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (to -stable and maintainer of UPDATING, imp@village.org) I am preparing for the update from 3.3 RELEASE to 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) and am a little confused by the MAKEDEV instructions. I am looking for some clarification. The instructions almost look like a shell script, but I am assuming it is just pseudocode. Is it possible to simply run the following command to rebuild the disk /dev/entries? sh MAKEDEV all If not, can I limit the rebuild only the disks and slices that I am using? I currently have a SCSI (da) and an IDE drive (wd). (I believe cvsup will be done shortly.) Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Chemistry is applied theology. -- Augustus Stanley Owsley III To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:27:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E1937BD71 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA14751; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:27:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-107.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.107) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma014749; Wed Apr 5 15:26:48 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000405152318.00cbb800@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:25:54 -0500 To: Szilveszter Adam , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: can not compile 4.x-STABLE for the second day In-Reply-To: <20000405172602.C16817@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> References: <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> <200004051351.JAA82222@rtfm.newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:26 PM 4/5/00 +0200, Szilveszter Adam wrote: >Hi! > >Please, do not take my message as an attempt to nit-pick on you, I am trying >to help you... because I managed to do a *succesful* buildworld just 2 days >ago. While looking at the output I noticed several things: > >On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:51:12AM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > It seems, a bunch of header files are not where they are exected :( > > > > I installed a fresh 4-stable yesterday (minimal install), cvsuped and > > keep trying to rebuild the world. > > > > After copying a bunch of things (like _G_config.h) around I'm stumbled > with: > > > > ===> libstdc++ > > c++ -O2 -pipe -mcpu=i686 -march=i686 -fexpensive-optimizations > ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I cannot see these in the Makefile... are you sure that such optimisations >are in order when building the world? Also: Using -O2 combined -march seems to break more often than not. Dropping to -O or dropping the -march should work *much* better. YMMV Not related to the problem, but worth mentioning (once more). Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:45:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD4D37BE79 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id F1DDB7C28; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Message-Id: <20000405204515.F1DDB7C28@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Chris D. Faulhaber" writes: >> To write documentation, I need authoritative information. That is hard >> to get. If ther were design documents and programmer's notes, I could >> take them and convert them into user manuals quite easily. But there >> are no such documents that I have found so far.... >You seem to be forgetting the most obvious way to get information...just >ask. Most of FreeBSD's code has the authors/maintainers names embedded in >it somewhere. In addition to the authors/maintainers, there are many >knowledgable people subscribed to FreeBSD's veritable plethora of >technical mailing lists that have the knowledge that you require and would >love to share. Ok, I am hereby asking! All FreeBSD developers: Please insert comments in all code from now on that fully document what the code does, what the expected inputs are, what the expected outputs are, what the invariants are, and what each error message means. Have some documentation standards for the whole project that all contributed code should (preferably must) adhere to. I will take this raw documentation (small chunks at a time) and convert it into user-friendly manuals. -- Rahul Dhesi (spam-filtered with RSS and ORBS) See my ORBS faq: http://www.rahul.net/dhesi/orbs.faq.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:47:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCC537B897 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 615257C38; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How YOU can contribute (was Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free) Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Message-Id: <20000405204750.615257C38@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn writes: >Subscribe to the FreeBSD questions mailing list.... [ and summarize the good answers and submit patches ] Fair enough. I will try it. -- Rahul Dhesi (spam-filtered with RSS and ORBS) See my ORBS faq: http://www.rahul.net/dhesi/orbs.faq.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:52:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C381F37BEF4 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA97763; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA83983; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052051.OAA83983@harmony.village.org> To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: MAKEDEV in UPDATING Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:19:23 CDT." References: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:51:19 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Brennan W Stehling writes: : I am preparing for the update from 3.3 RELEASE to 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) : and am a little confused by the MAKEDEV instructions. I am looking for : some clarification. : : The instructions almost look like a shell script, but I am assuming it is : just pseudocode. Is it possible to simply run the following command to : rebuild the disk /dev/entries? : : sh MAKEDEV all That's not sufficient. It is pseudo code telling you want you need to. : If not, can I limit the rebuild only the disks and slices that I am using? : I currently have a SCSI (da) and an IDE drive (wd). Yes. sh MAKEDEV all won't hurt anything. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:53:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4031737BE53 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26866 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:56:49 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:52:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:52:34 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had originally thought this to be a belated April Fools prank or at = least a minor attempt at trollery (nice job chumming the water), but I see = it is not. Let me try to explain this to you... The internet (this = mailing list) is a nice collection of closet anarchists. They pretty much = do as they want, but there are rules and standards that they will not = break. Take for example, murder. Murder is nice, fun and all (great way = to get rid of unwelcome house guests) but what if some other guy got the = idea of murdering you? Anarchism has it's perks but being dead invalidates= most of them. So... you have this collective rule, an understanding if = you will, that anarchists won't go around murdering other anarchists. = People gather together these collective rules and create a great Oracle = called the FAQ. On other mailing lists, Usenet groups, etc, it is not = uncommon to see the acronym RTFFAQ (you are smart, I know you can fill in = the words) posted as a response to your request. This is generally = because you have broken one of the most carnal of sins among internet = denizens. You made a request for people to conform to YOUR standards to = benefit YOUR needs versus the anarchist status quo that has been held for = years and years. Unfortunately, you have only hurt yourself by making = such a request. *Plonk* What was that? That was the sound that a kill = file makes when an email address is added to it. You what to hear = stories, I can tell stories? Many, many years ago I was *hanging head in shame* a Windows user. Yes, I = owned a Windows box and had settled on Forte Agent as my Windows e-mail = and Usenet reader. Being a regular on several Usenet groups (I have = honestly never been nominated for Kook of the Month) and mailing lists, I = later got public requests from individuals to please format my text = (insert hard carriage returns) because the text was running off their = screens and they had to scroll to the right quite a distance to read. = Anyone guess what this coincided with? Netscape released a new browser = (2.?) that had an integrated Usenet reader. If memory servers me correct, = Netscape forgot to add the word wrap function, or maybe word wrap was not = enabled by default (know that was the issue with later versions). The = point being that I and everyone else that were posting unformatted text = were doing nothing wrong. Just that the people using their software had = no clue how to properly use it. Immediately blamed other people for their = ignorance, and expected the other people to fix the problem for them. I = will list the same options I gave those individuals many years ago and you = can apply the one(s) you want to the situation at hand. 1. Unsubscribe from the Usenet group(s) and or mailing list(s). 2. Add me and all the other posting unformatted text (attachments in your = case) to your kill file. 3. Learn how to properly use your software. 4. Obtain a different software package that coincides with your learning = curve; pigeons also make nice pets. ;-) That being said (typed), why are you not using an automated e-mail virus = scanner? Company standard here is McAfee for Windows machines and it does = automatic e-mail attachment scans along with the standard system virus = protection. Second question: why is your e-mail provider not scanning = incoming and outgoing e-mail attachment at the SMTP gateway? The gateway = should bounce the e-mail back with a brief message about why it was = blocked. You might want to drop them a nice e-mail to your provider and = nudge them into that direction by mentioning legal liability for infecting = other systems from their domain. The SMTP gateway here DENIES at least 20 = incoming e-mail messages a day for infected attachments of the Melissa = verity alone (primarily sent by Outlook users). David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 =20 >>> "Southwell" 04/04 1:14 AM >>> Well guys I am so soooooooooooory if you had not told me I would never = have known - I am hanging my head here -- I am not used to using Microsoft stuff and it appears that HTML was set by default on this machine -- the sooner I can = get my new machine up with Freebsd 4.00 the better I will like it!! Please let me know if the beastly HTML and Jif stuff (aparrently for some kind of background to the mail) has dissappeared. However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more = point for me again Attachments etc are a pain in the **** Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:58:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E8337BDC8 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA97800; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA84055; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052057.OAA84055@harmony.village.org> To: David Murphy Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:08:55 -0000." <20000405180855.O13499@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20000405180855.O13499@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20000404220906.K53658@cage.tse-online.de> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:57:58 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405180855.O13499@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> David Murphy writes: : Where in UPDATING did you find the update instructions? I did the same : as you, except when I came to read UPDATING, it looked like a : changelog, so i stopped reading after a 5 pages or so - little did I : know at the time that the critical instructions were at the end of the : file. Shortly after, those paragraphs were moved to the top of : UPDATING, which is a vast improvement, and greatly improves the : chances of basically clueful people finding the instructions. It's : this level of improvement that the docs need most - moving/putting : pointers to pre-existing text to places where the basically clueful : will look. I will point out that the very beginning of the UPDATING file did say to search for COMMON ITEMS for those commonly performed items. Most clueful people were able to find it :-). However, with the release it became clear that was the most important thing people would be looking at, so its position should reflect that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 13:59:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3858137BDB2; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA97808; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA84075; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052058.OAA84075@harmony.village.org> To: J McKitrick Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Cc: Brooks Davis , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Adam Steffes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:37:53 BST." <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:58:55 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: : I had a strange problem with my pcmcia modem. When using the pccard entry : that is for my card, it doesn't work. I have to change the IRQ. No idea : why. The IRQ you told it to use in the first place was already in use. : When i started with FreeBSD, i had problems with pcmcia. : I asked another toshiba owner for his kernel config, and it worked. : I'm lucky i got it, because if i hadn't i wouldn't have known enough to : figure out the IRQ problem or how to find the correct one. I really lucked : out. I wonder why that happened, since the entry in the sample conf file is : the exact same model of modem, but the IRQ is wrong, at least for me. The entries in the pccard.conf shouldn't have hardwired IRQs. If they do, it is a bug. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 14: 0:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3273D37BDB2 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA97821; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA84088; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052059.OAA84088@harmony.village.org> To: Andy Georges Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:47:39 +0200." References: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:59:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Andy Georges writes: : should i be able to just use this pcmcia card, i have compiled all the : pcmcia stuff into the kernel as well as specified the line : : device xe0 at isa ? : : or do i have to retreive the xe package from : : ftp://dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org/pub/scott/xe_drv/ Someone, likely me, needs to finish up about 20 lines of code to make it possible to map the cis in the drivers. Once that is done, it will be trivial to get xe working. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 14: 3: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D227E37B970; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA97831; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA84111; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052101.PAA84111@harmony.village.org> To: Coleman Kane Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@uol.com.br In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:01:46 EDT." <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:01:42 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> Coleman Kane writes: : The original point was that the troubles weren't necessarily : chipset-specific or mobo specific. There is probably some code that : needs to be dealt with. I got the impression that it was this particular 82C586B plus some marginal IDE drives. I've not seen other chipsets mentioned as often. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 14: 3:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BD637BFC7; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14979; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:01:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-107.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.107) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma014975; Wed Apr 5 16:01:38 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000405153609.00b2c100@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:00:43 -0500 To: Brooks Davis , J McKitrick From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:23 AM 4/5/00 -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: >On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 03:45:42PM +0100, J McKitrick wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:10:44AM -0500, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > > Sometimes it is worth while to run *before* building. Recent > additions to > > > make.conf are a good, recent example. Along the same line is updating > > > files in etc via mm and not rebuilding the rest of the system. Recent > > > changes in pccard.conf.sample as an example. Can they make a > difference, yes. > > > > What do you mean here? What changed in pccard.conf? > >In current, pccard.conf.sample was copied to /etc/defaults/pccard.conf. >A new include directive was added to pccardd so >/etc/defaults/pccard.conf reads /etc/pccard.conf for local overrides >like with rc.conf and defaults/rc.conf. Was referring to the re-ordering. The changes you mention have not been MFC'd (yet). A better example would have been the re-ordering in rc.network for entropy reasons and later sshd's keygen. At the time there were so many changes requiring a rebuild. If, however, they was the only changes, a simple merge would work just fine. When NO_X and NO_FORTRAN were added to make.conf I merged before the build. Not something done often, but I do keep track of changes. Waiting for NO_UUCP to MFC. 8-) My point is that you don't have to rebuild the entire system, should keep track of commits, and if your problem is more than 2 hours old, update source and try again. Saying 2 hours is a bit facetious. However, it is possible to only receive part of a large commit. Track your branch and *all* commits. Real simple to search and check for updates or fixes and the mail (usually) comes *before* you see the source on the servers. Brian is always busy working on PP and if you watch commits to -current, then your fix may just be an MFC away. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 14:25: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AC237BA0C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14134; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004052124.OAA14134@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS In-Reply-To: from David Nixon at "Apr 5, 0 04:52:34 pm" To: david.nixon@mantech.com (David Nixon) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:24:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, vizion@ptialaska.net Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, David Nixon wrote, in paragraphs each one line long (wrapped by me, free of charge): +--------------- | Being a regular on several Usenet groups (I have honestly never been | nominated for Kook of the Month) and mailing lists, I later got public | requests from individuals to please format my text (insert hard | carriage returns) because the text was running off their screens and | they had to scroll to the right quite a distance to read. +--------------- Which you obviously still ignore. +--------------- | 2. Add me and all the other posting unformatted text (attachments in | your case) to your kill file. +--------------- A reasonable option. Of course, you took the time to post for some reason, and now you're suggesting folks should ignore your efforts. Why not get ahead of the game and not bother posting, instead. +--------------- | 3. Learn how to properly use your software. +--------------- Even better advice. Take it. Turn on word wrapping in whatever tool and/or editor you're using. There are standards for such things. Just because Microsoft chooses to ignore them doesn't mean you should. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15: 6:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B8537BA5C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-44.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.44]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24268; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:06:12 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <001a01bf9f4b$03931e40$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "David Nixon" , References: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:05:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Nixon said: > That being said (typed), why are you not using an automated e-mail virus scanner? David S Comments: I am - but having, I am sad to say, in my working life long experience (now just over 40 years) in IT learnt that the crazy guys that like to write/distribute virus`s are currently real keen to find ways of getting round virus protection systems - including McAfee --the lastest version of which which I run on my machine. The guys that do this are real genius`s at what they do and someone somewhere will no doubt find a way.. if we get complacent then we will suffer the consequencies.. Having been caught out once myself - true about five years ago, with a virus attached to an email- which was not detected by a virus detector - I am left believing that a gram of prevention is worth a ton of cure.. Secondly why use an attachment when it is just as easy to paste text directly into your email? .. I mean attachment are fine for subsidiary documents but surely unnecessary for the main message body? Thirdly why discourtesy force people to have to open attachments when the standard method (and always has been since uucp days) has been to send emails in the clear? Anyway that is my view on the matter but I do not want the discussion to be blown up out of all proportion..it is not that significant - I made a request - if the one or two odd balls that post exclusively using attachments want to carry on doing so - it is their choice - likewise it is my choice to bin emails that comprise only attachments.. Basically noone should rely on virus protection programs - by definition they can only deal with known viruses and or known virus techniques.. david S. .> >>> "Southwell" 04/04 1:14 AM >>> > Well guys I am so soooooooooooory if you had not told me I would never have > known - > > I am hanging my head here -- I am not used to using Microsoft stuff and it > appears that HTML was set by default on this machine -- the sooner I can get > my new machine up with Freebsd 4.00 the better I will like it!! > > Please let me know if the beastly HTML and Jif stuff (aparrently for some > kind of background to the mail) has dissappeared. > > However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more point > for me again > > Attachments etc are a pain in the **** > > Thanks > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15:22: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5F337BC27; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12cyBE-0008Gv-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:21:44 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24891; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:21:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:21:43 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Warner Losh Cc: Brooks Davis , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Adam Steffes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000405232143.B24750@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <200004052058.OAA84075@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004052058.OAA84075@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 02:58:55PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 02:58:55PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: > : I had a strange problem with my pcmcia modem. When using the pccard entry > : that is for my card, it doesn't work. I have to change the IRQ. No idea > : why. > > The IRQ you told it to use in the first place was already in use. > > : When i started with FreeBSD, i had problems with pcmcia. > : I asked another toshiba owner for his kernel config, and it worked. > : I'm lucky i got it, because if i hadn't i wouldn't have known enough to > : figure out the IRQ problem or how to find the correct one. I really lucked > : out. I wonder why that happened, since the entry in the sample conf file is > : the exact same model of modem, but the IRQ is wrong, at least for me. > > The entries in the pccard.conf shouldn't have hardwired IRQs. If they > do, it is a bug. Well, it's not that it was hardwired, just that the IRQ that was listed didn't work. Maybe it's not the IRQ, it's the 'config' setting. The sample called for 0x20, but only 0x21 works on my box. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15:26:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED4C37B580; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA98223; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA84665; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004052225.QAA84665@harmony.village.org> To: J McKitrick Subject: Re: ppp problems under 4.0-S Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:21:43 BST." <20000405232143.B24750@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000405232143.B24750@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <38EA7621.48F887A5@ucdavis.edu> <20000405034833.A11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <38EAACEF.C573F72@ucdavis.edu> <20000405041046.B11271@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.20000405054845.00b83c20@207.227.119.2> <20000405154542.C13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000405102339.A3267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000405183752.A22796@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <200004052058.OAA84075@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:25:58 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000405232143.B24750@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: : Well, it's not that it was hardwired, just that the IRQ that was listed : didn't work. Maybe it's not the IRQ, it's the 'config' setting. The sample : called for 0x20, but only 0x21 works on my box. Oh. That's not the IRQ. That's the config index to use. The reason that config 0x20 didn't work was likely because it describe the resources used by sio0. To be honest, this is one of the biggest weaknesses that is in the current pccard system. It works, but it is very labor entinsive. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15:28:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pefletti.saunalahti.fi (mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDF537BC27 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MMMCCCXXX.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.47.30]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01361; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:25:02 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000405180855.O13499@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:24:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka Simila To: David Murphy Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Apr-00 David Murphy wrote: > Quoting > by Jukka Simila : > >> that showed me a list of files, and there was BIG LETTERS: UPDATING >> I thought, well, I'm now running 3.4, and I'm about to install 4.0, >> so I'd guess that's called UPDATING. Some common sense, I think? I >> read the UPDATING and followed those very simple instructions there >> (well I have to admit I couldn't build a custom kernel before I had >> updated the system with GENERIC, but that really isn't a big >> problem) > > Where in UPDATING did you find the update instructions? I did the same > as you, except when I came to read UPDATING, it looked like a > changelog, so i stopped reading after a 5 pages or so - little did I > know at the time that the critical instructions were at the end of the > file. Shortly after, those paragraphs were moved to the top of > UPDATING, which is a vast improvement, and greatly improves the > chances of basically clueful people finding the instructions. It's > this level of improvement that the docs need most - moving/putting > pointers to pre-existing text to places where the basically clueful > will look. apparently i was lucky: info was at the top of the file, so the file had already been updated that way before i got it. @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15:28:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12C7D37BB6D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.48] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ia728866 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:28:09 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: "David Nixon" , Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:26:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040519282101.01864@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG KMail Client Filter: From: Contains david.nixon@mantech.com Transfer trash On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, David Nixon wrote: > I had originally thought this to be a belated April Fools prank or at least a minor attempt at trollery (nice job chumming the water), but I see it is not. Let me try to explain this to you... The internet (this mailing list) is a nice collection of closet anarchists. They pretty much do as they want, but there are rules and standards that they will not break. Take for example, murder. Murder is nice, fun and all (great way to get rid of unwelcome house guests) but what if some other guy got the idea of murdering you? Anarchism has it's perks but being dead invalidates most of them. So... you have this collective rule, an understanding if you will, that anarchists won't go around murdering other anarchists. People gather together these collective rules and create a great Oracle called the FAQ. On other mailing lists, Usenet groups, etc, it is not uncommon to see the acronym RTFFAQ (you are smart, I know you can fill in the words) posted as a response to your request. This is generally because you have broken one of the most carnal of sins among internet denizens. You made a request for people to conform to YOUR standards to benefit YOUR needs versus the anarchist status quo that has been held for years and years. Unfortunately, you have only hurt yourself by making such a request. *Plonk* What was that? That was the sound that a kill file makes when an email address is added to it. You what to hear stories, I can tell stories? > > Many, many years ago I was *hanging head in shame* a Windows user. Yes, I owned a Windows box and had settled on Forte Agent as my Windows e-mail and Usenet reader. Being a regular on several Usenet groups (I have honestly never been nominated for Kook of the Month) and mailing lists, I later got public requests from individuals to please format my text (insert hard carriage returns) because the text was running off their screens and they had to scroll to the right quite a distance to read. Anyone guess what this coincided with? Netscape released a new browser (2.?) that had an integrated Usenet reader. If memory servers me correct, Netscape forgot to add the word wrap function, or maybe word wrap was not enabled by default (know that was the issue with later versions). The point being that I and everyone else that were posting unformatted text were doing nothing wrong. Just that the people using their software had no clue how to properly use it. Immediately blamed other people for their ignorance, and expected the other people to fix the problem for them. I will list the same options I gave those individuals many years ago and you can apply the one(s) you want to the situation at hand. > > 1. Unsubscribe from the Usenet group(s) and or mailing list(s). > 2. Add me and all the other posting unformatted text (attachments in your case) to your kill file. > 3. Learn how to properly use your software. > 4. Obtain a different software package that coincides with your learning curve; pigeons also make nice pets. ;-) > > > That being said (typed), why are you not using an automated e-mail virus scanner? Company standard here is McAfee for Windows machines and it does automatic e-mail attachment scans along with the standard system virus protection. Second question: why is your e-mail provider not scanning incoming and outgoing e-mail attachment at the SMTP gateway? The gateway should bounce the e-mail back with a brief message about why it was blocked. You might want to drop them a nice e-mail to your provider and nudge them into that direction by mentioning legal liability for infecting other systems from their domain. The SMTP gateway here DENIES at least 20 incoming e-mail messages a day for infected attachments of the Melissa verity alone (primarily sent by Outlook users). > > > David A. Nixon > Network Security Engineer > ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com > > >>> "Southwell" 04/04 1:14 AM >>> > Well guys I am so soooooooooooory if you had not told me I would never have > known - > > I am hanging my head here -- I am not used to using Microsoft stuff and it > appears that HTML was set by default on this machine -- the sooner I can get > my new machine up with Freebsd 4.00 the better I will like it!! > > Please let me know if the beastly HTML and Jif stuff (aparrently for some > kind of background to the mail) has dissappeared. > > However I would still stand by my request and you guys have made more point > for me again > > Attachments etc are a pain in the **** > > Thanks > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 15:37:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76E9F37BA1F for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.48] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id wa729114 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:37:16 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: J McKitrick , Nick Hibma Subject: Re: Parallel port zip drives - inventory of working and non-working systems Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:36:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List References: <20000405153914.A13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20000405153914.A13658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040519372802.01864@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > Does anyone recall seeing or making a remark about a group of interrupts or > hardware port locations that could be causing this problem? I was searching > my email and i can't find it. > > Someone said 4.0 allocates a group of hardware locations (0x380-0x3f0?) > differently from 3.4, and that this may affect the parallel port allocation > on laptops. > > Has anyone had this zip timeout error on a desktop machine and not been > able to fix it? My problem was it stopped working when I went to 4.0. When I changed my BIOS setting the parallel port to EPP, it started working again. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16: 0:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2802337B6A3 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from nw1.mbp.ee (nw1.mbp.ee [194.204.12.68]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17016 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:00:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from SERVER/SpoolDir by nw1.mbp.ee (Mercury 1.44); 6 Apr 00 01:00:25 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVER (Mercury 1.44); 6 Apr 00 01:00:11 +0200 From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ripeva_Kirjastuse_AS?= To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:00:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: -DNOINFO Message-ID: <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi in /usr/src/UPDATING: cd /usr/src make -DNOINFO installworld make installworld Why do I need 2 installworlds ? ______________ Lauri Laupmaa =C4rip=E4ev mauri@mbp.ee Ph. +372 66 70 369 +372 50 13 369 Fx. +372 66 70 165 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16: 6:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB33B37C066 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23511; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:06:33 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -DNOINFO Message-ID: <20000405160633.C14513@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost>; from mauri@mbp.ee on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 01:00:03AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 01:00:03AM +0200, Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > in /usr/src/UPDATING: > > cd /usr/src > make -DNOINFO installworld > make installworld > > Why do I need 2 installworlds ? Because there is a minor problem with the build system which causes it to try installing info pages using the old texinfo system and new options. They you have to install with -DNOINFO which installed texinfo, but no info pages and then install normally once you have a working texinfo. This problem should probably be fixxed, but a solution hasn't been agreed upon and implemented. Installing twice isn't much of a burden in the grand scheme of things. You only have to do this once. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16: 8: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB20F37BE71 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA46165; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:50:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Andrew MacIntyre Cc: Soren Schmidt , FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: ata sad combinatorics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Andrew MacIntyre wrote: >Or inverting the defaults so that PIO is the default and sysctl is >required to enable DMA. Or perhaps default to PIO on the install floppies and then add a directive to the "Post Install Config" section of sysinstall which says "Do you want to enable DMA?". Brandon D. Valentine -- "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16:35:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E6137BAAD for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115207>; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:35:19 +1000 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Netscape pegs CPU on XServer kill In-reply-to: <200003210147.TAA54503@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:32:00PM +1100 To: David Kelly Cc: Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Apr6.093519est.115207@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200003210147.TAA54503@nospam.hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:35:16 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Mar-21 15:32:00 +1100, David Kelly wrote: >the above note. And it *says* it "core dumped" but I haven't found any >netscape.core's laying around lately. The ports installation process makes /usr/local/bin/netscape a small shellscript which sets a couple of environment variables, turns off core dumps (ulimit -c 0) and then exec's the netscape binary. This means you won't find any droppings lying around. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16:51:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB06E37B7F5; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07721; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:56:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:56:51 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Matt Heckaman Cc: Coleman Kane , John Baldwin , Warner Losh , FreeBSD-STABLE , lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405195651.A7702@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405145559.A6856@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 02:56:46PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have heard of trouble trying to get a non-UDMA drive working connected to a UDMA drive. Try Linking the ad1 to your CDROM's channel and disable the UDMA for Master+Slave 2nd controller in BIOS. Also, WDMA wasn't properly implemented on some drives (I have an old maxtor to testify to that, and many nights of wasted time). This problem is just in the nature of how IDE works, if the two drives being linked together is the problem. Also, your UDMA options in BIOS tell the controller what mode to set the drive in on POST. It may help if there is some problem in the driver to have it turned off in BIOS. I do know that an ATA66 drive should never share the channel with another drive. --cokane Matt Heckaman had the audacity to say: > > And to add one of those annoying "me too" posts, I absolutely cannot get > my setup to work. It's as follows: > > 4.0-STABLE as of April 3 2000 > > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 > on pci0 > > ad0: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 > ad1: 1549MB [3148/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2 > acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using WDMA2 > > ad0 and acd0 work fine, ad1 does not. It bombs with the following error: > > ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0ata0-slave: WARNING: WAIT_READY > active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA > ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status=59 error=04 > ad1: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode > ad1: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0 > > sysctl settings: hw.atamodes: dma,pio,dma,---, > > I know the drive is fine, it works under the wd? drivers but that's a less > than ideal situation. My original posting about this got a reply from > Jordon saying that it was the rollover reason for 4.0-RELEASE, but the bug > is still there and I'm at a loss and quite frustrated. > > Regards, > Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16:52:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F3737BA1E for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21587; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Walter Brameld Cc: "David Nixon" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, vizion@ptialaska.net Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:26:30 EDT." <00040519282101.01864@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:53:10 -0700 Message-ID: <21584.954978790@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What the hell? If mangling his message and sending it back to the entire mailing list was some sort of joke, I'm not laughing. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16:57:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from set.spradley.org (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6227837B6A3 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.org) Received: from set.spradley.org (localhost.spradley.tmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA77852; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:33:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.org) Message-Id: <200004030133.UAA77852@set.spradley.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FIXED --> Thanks! Re: ep0 eeprom failed to come ready... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:17:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:33:03 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not going to bother tearing apart your reply. > > You obviously have -no- idea what the current state of the PnP system in > FreeBSD is. Me neither. I would have appreciated a brief discussion of how the PnP system deals with the sort of problem Mr. Larson describes. > If the FreeBSD kernel -knows- about non-PnP resources then it will not > 'remap' PnP hardware to conflict. But does it 'remap' PnP hardware to remove a conflict that already exists? [...] > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: [...] > > It's good you chose that example. I went through =exactly= that > > exercise two weeks ago. A 3c509B which wouldn't do squat. Even the > > 3Com MS-DOS configurator program claimed there were "no Etherlink > > cards found" until I pulled out the Creative Labs Soundblaster that > > was in there. Can FreeBSD deal with that? When the MS-DOS configurator from the manufacturer can't? That would be wonderful. That seems to me to be a very hard problem, a problem that was created by the (imperfect) addition of Plug'n'Play on top of the already imperfect mechanism of jumper-selected addresses and IRQs. And that was (to my understanding) Mr. Larson's original complaint: that the evolution of address and IRQ (etc.) selection mechanisms over the years (while it may or may not have made things easier for some people, I don't know) has made it more difficult for some of us to isolate, identify, and correct it when it doesn't work. This is not a complaint about FreeBSD. This is a complaint about the architecture of PeeCee equipment. And I don't expect any of you to try to address the complaint; I'm just venting. Sorry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 16:58:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FA337BE50; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07763; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:03:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:03:34 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Warner Losh Cc: Coleman Kane , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@uol.com.br Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? Message-ID: <20000405200334.B7702@evil.2y.net> References: <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> <200004051730.NAA02597@server.baldwin.cx> <200004051742.LAA80005@harmony.village.org> <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> <200004052101.PAA84111@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004052101.PAA84111@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 05:03:02PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah, the chipsets also are all handled by their own code, MVP3 setup isn't the same procedure as PIIX4 setup or ALI1541 setup.... I know, from my experience that my specific revision of the 586B works fine. Some of it I have noticed is also from cramming three or four drives onto the mobo controllers. I have had DMA33 troubles with two hard drives sharing the same channel, stuff like that. Some of that is chipset specific, but if you really need that many devices you should really look into SCSI, I have one CDROM on my secondary and a hard drive on my primary and it works well. If I wanted to add another hard drive or something, I'd probably save up for a SCSI controller and a SCSI hard drive. You start slaving devices on the IDE bus and it really degrades performance, especially mixing UDMA and non-UDMA drives. Most manuals for them specifically say not to do that. --cokane Warner Losh had the audacity to say: > > In message <20000405150146.B6856@evil.2y.net> Coleman Kane writes: > : The original point was that the troubles weren't necessarily > : chipset-specific or mobo specific. There is probably some code that > : needs to be dealt with. > > I got the impression that it was this particular 82C586B plus some > marginal IDE drives. I've not seen other chipsets mentioned as often. > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 17:21:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptialaska.net (mail.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B69837BD74 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ptialaska.net) Received: from vizion2000 (dialups-115.sitka.ptialaska.net [198.70.227.115]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23055; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:20:45 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <006001bf9f5d$df0b5520$73e346c6@demon.co.uk> From: "Southwell" To: "Walter Brameld" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "David Nixon" , References: <21584.954978790@zippy.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:19:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Southwell" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You lost me on this one.. With so many articles in this thread: Who is mangling, whose message, and in what way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" To: "Walter Brameld" Cc: "David Nixon" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS > What the hell? If mangling his message and sending it back to the > entire mailing list was some sort of joke, I'm not laughing. > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 17:30:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37DF37BABA for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07856; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:35:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:35:07 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Southwell Cc: David Nixon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000405203507.C7702@evil.2y.net> References: <001a01bf9f4b$03931e40$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <001a01bf9f4b$03931e40$2ce346c6@demon.co.uk>; from vizion@ptialaska.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:07:44PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look, I'm only gonna say this once. I do not get the point of your email. You are obviously ragging about a stupid security flaw that is prevalent in windows, and more specifically outlook onto the FreeBSD mailing list. I don't know you personally or anything, but I would really hope that you would know that the virus problem was half because windows has not concept of file/memory/hardware protection mechanisms. Your request to force people to stray from the norm because you want to use some crap to read mail is not our problem, we shall remain as we were before attaching files to email, it is a hell of a lot easier to transfer things like patches, source code, and tarballs by attaching them and then detaching them upon reciept. Also, as far as your complaints about using our mailers correctly and all goes, we do use them correctly. I don't like people telling me I'm being discourteous by doing what the standard is, especially if they are expecting me to abide by the crappy system that Microsoft Outlook Express v 5.00.2919.6600 works well with. I am sorry if I sound rude, but you sir are telling me that you are a 40 year veteran and for some reason that gives you the privilege to request that we politely format our mailing to work with MS Outlook. I am sorry, but, no. Alos, I don't want to ever hear crap about MS Viruses on this list. I hear enough of that crap at work and get tired of it. I would hope that a 40 year IT professional would know that the easiest way to prevent email viruses is to not use a mail program that executes code from inside of an email upon opening it. That is just plain stupid, dumb, retarded, idiodic, and, sad. I would also hope that you would realize that you, being the one, or one of the few using Outlook would at least be somewhat sympathetic to the fact that the attachment thing is your problem and you should work it on your own. A good deal of us use mutt or pine, both of which handle attachments very well and we are not giving that up because microsoft can't make a mail client+os+browser+office+kitchensink bundle that is not riddled with security flaws. Oh yeah, I get my paragraphs all nicely aligned with the nice unix tool "par". A simple keystroke in vim will align them nicely for me to send so that they look good to everyone who reads them. I use mutt 1.0.1 by the way, not netscape. --cokane Coleman Kane President, Univ. of Cincinnati Free OS User Group Southwell had the audacity to say: > David Nixon said: > > That being said (typed), why are you not using an automated e-mail virus > scanner? >=20 > David S Comments: >=20 > I am - but having, I am sad to say, in my working life long experience (n= ow > just over 40 years) in IT learnt that the crazy guys that like to > write/distribute virus`s are currently real keen to find ways of getting > round virus protection systems - including McAfee --the lastest version of > which which I run on my machine. The guys that do this are real genius`s = at > what they do and someone somewhere will no doubt find a way.. if we get > complacent then we will suffer the consequencies.. >=20 > Having been caught out once myself - true about five years ago, with a vi= rus > attached to an email- which was not detected by a virus detector - I am l= eft > believing that a gram of prevention is worth a ton of cure.. >=20 > Secondly why use an attachment when it is just as easy to paste text > directly into your email? .. I mean attachment are fine for subsidiary > documents but surely unnecessary for the main message body? >=20 > Thirdly why discourtesy force people to have to open attachments when the > standard method (and always has been since uucp days) has been to send > emails in the clear? >=20 > Anyway that is my view on the matter but I do not want the discussion to = be > blown up out of all proportion..it is not that significant - I made a > request - if the one or two odd balls that post exclusively using > attachments want to carry on doing so - it is their choice - likewise it = is > my choice to bin emails that comprise only attachments.. >=20 > Basically noone should rely on virus protection programs - by definition > they can only deal with known viruses and or known virus techniques.. >=20 > david S. >=20 >=20 --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE469u6ERViMObJ880RAYxYAJ4rJGKo5Mby+KCAkyG6oY3v/PkhAwCg4low DXH/QoLk7b/g9LaUmW7CRk4= =Ad/k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 17:40:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C39137BABA for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14521; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004052342.QAA14521@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS In-Reply-To: <20000405232755.C24750@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> from J McKitrick at "Apr 5, 0 11:27:55 pm" To: jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org (J McKitrick) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:42:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, J McKitrick wrote: +--------------- | Hey chad, how do you make those neat boxes around previous comments? | Can that be done in mutt? +--------------- I wrote a filter program, and pipe text through it from within vi. Like '!} fill -b', for example. There's a package for 2.2.x on my server, if you want it. pkg_add -v ftp://ftp.dcfinc.com/pub/FreeBSD/packages-2.2/fill-2.10.tgz -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 17:40:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB25237BB76 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14546; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200004052346.QAA14546@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: -DNOINFO In-Reply-To: <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> from Lauri Laupmaa at "Apr 6, 0 01:00:03 am" To: mauri@mbp.ee (Lauri Laupmaa) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:46:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > Hi > > in /usr/src/UPDATING: > > cd /usr/src > make -DNOINFO installworld > make installworld > > Why do I need 2 installworlds ? > > ______________ > Lauri Laupmaa Answered a couple of times here already, but... The installworld target for the new world needs some documentation tools that are part of the new world. So the first one avoids installing the "info" documentation, but installs all the rest. That gives you the ability to install the "info" documentation, which the second one will do. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 17:45:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFA237BDAC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21758; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Southwell" Cc: "Walter Brameld" , "David Nixon" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:19:17 -0800." <006001bf9f5d$df0b5520$73e346c6@demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: <21755.954981887@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You lost me on this one.. Then don't worry about it. It was only of importance to people who are actually trying to read all the messages. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 18:17:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83A237B5DF for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12cz8w-0005Oa-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:23:26 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cz8w-0002P8-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:23:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:23:26 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Walter Brameld Cc: David Nixon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, vizion@ptialaska.net Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406002326.A39831@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <00040519282101.01864@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <00040519282101.01864@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter Brameld wrote: > KMail Client Filter: > > From: Contains david.nixon@mantech.com > Transfer trash If you keep quoting 71 lines of the previous message for no good reason, you may find people doing the same to you. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 19:53:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A660E37B6BA for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA98759 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA85454; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004060157.TAA85454@harmony.village.org> To: "Lauri Laupmaa" Subject: Re: -DNOINFO Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:00:03 +0200." <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> References: <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:57:55 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38EBE192.1345.1327186@localhost> "Lauri Laupmaa" writes: : cd /usr/src : make -DNOINFO installworld : make installworld The first one doesn't do info files, but installs a info tool needed to install the info files. The second one does the info files. Since installworld was so fast, I didn't bother to break things down more completely. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 21:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mission.mvnc.edu (mission.mvnc.edu [149.143.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECA537BA2B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu) Received: from localhost (kdrobnac@localhost) by mission.mvnc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09859 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Drobnack To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I sent this message off to -doc mailing list, and they said sent it to this list and see if maybe I have some configuration wrong, or if there's any known fix. By the way, I cvsup'ed to 4.0-stable on April 3rd. > Not sure where to send this. This list seems like about the best place. > It seems to be that Parallel Port 100 Zip Drives don't work in > FreeBSD4.0-RELEASE (also tried -STABLE, with no difference). I'm thinking > this should be added to the ERRATA for the 4.0 series. Along with how to > fix this problem, when a fix is found. > Note: I tried a SCSI Zip 100, and it worked great. Anyway, I'm > not subscribed to this list, so cc me any replies. Thanks. Can you get this confirmed with the -stable mailing list, just to confirm it's not a problem with your setup? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 22:26:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F7C37B707 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX0002-Fujitsu Gateway) id OAA14995 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:26:30 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from chisato.nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp by m2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0003-Fujitsu Domain Master) id OAA03231; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (dhcp7173.nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp [10.18.7.173]) by chisato.nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W8chisato-970826) with ESMTP id OAA25606 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:26:28 +0900 (JST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 75 second delay using telnet/ssh (ipv6 related) In-Reply-To: <20000406125344R.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> References: <20000401193005.A353@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000402124742P.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <20000406125344R.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Thu_Apr__6_14:27:28_2000_41)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000406142730Q.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:27:30 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 616 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----Next_Part(Thu_Apr__6_14:27:28_2000_41)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were problem reports that sometime ssh and/or telnet (and also other appss which use getaddrinfo for nameresolving) has 75 seconds delay in name resolution on FreeBSD4.0 and/or 5.0. I created patches to libc to fix the problem and once sent it to freebsd-current, and it seems to be working. So I also send the patches to this list. Please try the patches anyone who has same kind of problems. Thanks, Yoshinobu Inoue ----Next_Part(Thu_Apr__6_14:27:28_2000_41)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="resolver.diff" Index: getaddrinfo.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/net/getaddrinfo.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 getaddrinfo.c --- getaddrinfo.c 2000/02/19 16:10:12 1.9 +++ getaddrinfo.c 2000/04/06 03:50:46 @@ -108,7 +108,6 @@ }; struct explore { - int e_af; int e_socktype; int e_protocol; const char *e_protostr; @@ -119,15 +118,10 @@ }; static const struct explore explore[] = { -#ifdef INET6 - { PF_INET6, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_UDP, "udp", 0x07 }, - { PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP, "tcp", 0x07 }, - { PF_INET6, SOCK_RAW, ANY, NULL, 0x05 }, -#endif - { PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_UDP, "udp", 0x07 }, - { PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP, "tcp", 0x07 }, - { PF_INET, SOCK_RAW, ANY, NULL, 0x05 }, - { -1, 0, 0, NULL, 0 }, + { SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_UDP, "udp", 0x07 }, + { SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP, "tcp", 0x07 }, + { SOCK_RAW, ANY, NULL, 0x05 }, + { 0, 0, NULL, 0 }, }; #ifdef INET6 @@ -136,7 +130,8 @@ #define PTON_MAX 4 #endif - +extern struct hostent * _getipnodebyname_multi __P((const char *name, + int af, int flags, int *errp)); static int str_isnumber __P((const char *)); static int explore_fqdn __P((const struct addrinfo *, const char *, const char *, struct addrinfo **)); @@ -307,9 +302,7 @@ if (pai->ai_socktype != ANY && pai->ai_protocol != ANY) { int matched = 0; - for (ex = explore; ex->e_af >= 0; ex++) { - if (pai->ai_family != ex->e_af) - continue; + for (ex = explore; ex->e_socktype; ex++) { if (ex->e_socktype == ANY) continue; if (ex->e_protocol == ANY) @@ -353,10 +346,12 @@ } /* NULL hostname, or numeric hostname */ - for (ex = explore; ex->e_af >= 0; ex++) { + for (afd = afdl; afd->a_af; afd++) + { + for (ex = explore; ex->e_socktype; ex++) { *pai = ai0; - if (!MATCH_FAMILY(pai->ai_family, ex->e_af, WILD_AF(ex))) + if (!MATCH_FAMILY(pai->ai_family, afd->a_af, WILD_AF(ex))) continue; if (!MATCH(pai->ai_socktype, ex->e_socktype, WILD_SOCKTYPE(ex))) continue; @@ -364,7 +359,7 @@ continue; if (pai->ai_family == PF_UNSPEC) - pai->ai_family = ex->e_af; + pai->ai_family = afd->a_af; if (pai->ai_socktype == ANY && ex->e_socktype != ANY) pai->ai_socktype = ex->e_socktype; if (pai->ai_protocol == ANY && ex->e_protocol != ANY) @@ -381,6 +376,7 @@ while (cur && cur->ai_next) cur = cur->ai_next; } + } /* * XXX @@ -394,27 +390,12 @@ ERR(EAI_NONAME); if (hostname == NULL) ERR(EAI_NONAME); - - /* - * hostname as alphabetical name. - * we would like to prefer AF_INET6 than AF_INET, so we'll make a - * outer loop by AFs. - */ - for (afd = afdl; afd->a_af; afd++) { - *pai = ai0; - if (!MATCH_FAMILY(pai->ai_family, afd->a_af, 1)) - continue; - - for (ex = explore; ex->e_af >= 0; ex++) { + /* hostname as alphabetical name. */ + { + for (ex = explore; ex->e_socktype; ex++) { *pai = ai0; - if (pai->ai_family == PF_UNSPEC) - pai->ai_family = afd->a_af; - - if (!MATCH_FAMILY(pai->ai_family, ex->e_af, - WILD_AF(ex))) - continue; if (!MATCH(pai->ai_socktype, ex->e_socktype, WILD_SOCKTYPE(ex))) { continue; @@ -424,8 +405,6 @@ continue; } - if (pai->ai_family == PF_UNSPEC) - pai->ai_family = ex->e_af; if (pai->ai_socktype == ANY && ex->e_socktype != ANY) pai->ai_socktype = ex->e_socktype; if (pai->ai_protocol == ANY && ex->e_protocol != ANY) @@ -485,12 +464,8 @@ if (get_portmatch(pai, servname) != 0) return 0; - afd = find_afd(pai->ai_family); - if (afd == NULL) - return 0; - - hp = getipnodebyname(hostname, pai->ai_family, AI_ADDRCONFIG, - &h_error); + hp = _getipnodebyname_multi(hostname, pai->ai_family, AI_ADDRCONFIG, + &h_error); if (hp == NULL) { switch (h_error) { case HOST_NOT_FOUND: @@ -519,8 +494,12 @@ for (i = 0; hp->h_addr_list[i] != NULL; i++) { af = hp->h_addrtype; ap = hp->h_addr_list[i]; + + if (pai->ai_family != AF_UNSPEC && af != pai->ai_family) + continue; - if (af != pai->ai_family) + afd = find_afd(af); + if (afd == NULL) continue; GET_AI(cur->ai_next, afd, ap); Index: name6.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/net/name6.c,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 name6.c --- name6.c 2000/03/15 15:04:54 1.7 +++ name6.c 2000/04/06 03:50:47 @@ -42,11 +42,13 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -255,8 +257,6 @@ if (flags & AI_ADDRCONFIG) { int s; - if ((s = socket(af, SOCK_DGRAM, 0)) < 0) - return NULL; /* * TODO: * Note that implementation dependent test for address @@ -264,7 +264,23 @@ * (or apropriate interval), * because addresses will be dynamically assigned or deleted. */ - _close(s); + if (af == AF_UNSPEC) { + if ((s = socket(AF_INET6, SOCK_DGRAM, 0)) < 0) + af = AF_INET; + else { + _close(s); + if ((s = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0)) < 0) + af = AF_INET6; + else + _close(s); + } + + } + if (af != AF_UNSPEC) { + if ((s = socket(af, SOCK_DGRAM, 0)) < 0) + return NULL; + _close(s); + } } for (i = 0; i < MAXHOSTCONF; i++) { @@ -277,16 +293,19 @@ return NULL; } +/* getipnodebyname() internal routine for multiple query(PF_UNSPEC) support. */ struct hostent * -getipnodebyname(const char *name, int af, int flags, int *errp) +_getipnodebyname_multi(const char *name, int af, int flags, int *errp) { struct hostent *hp; union inx_addr addrbuf; + /* XXX: PF_UNSPEC is only supposed to be passed from getaddrinfo() */ if (af != AF_INET #ifdef INET6 && af != AF_INET6 #endif + && af != PF_UNSPEC ) { *errp = NO_RECOVERY; @@ -341,6 +360,21 @@ } struct hostent * +getipnodebyname(const char *name, int af, int flags, int *errp) +{ + if (af != AF_INET +#ifdef INET6 + && af != AF_INET6 +#endif + ) + { + *errp = NO_RECOVERY; + return NULL; + } + return(_getipnodebyname_multi(name, af ,flags, errp)); +} + +struct hostent * getipnodebyaddr(const void *src, size_t len, int af, int *errp) { struct hostent *hp; @@ -746,6 +780,7 @@ char *aliases[MAXALIASES + 1], *addrs[2]; union inx_addr addrbuf; char buf[BUFSIZ]; + int af0 = af; if ((fp = _files_open(errp)) == NULL) return NULL; @@ -766,11 +801,39 @@ } if (!match) continue; - if ((af == AF_INET - ? inet_aton(addrstr, (struct in_addr *)&addrbuf) - : inet_pton(af, addrstr, &addrbuf)) != 1) { + switch (af0) { + case AF_INET: + if (inet_aton(addrstr, (struct in_addr *)&addrbuf) + != 1) { + *errp = NO_DATA; /* name found */ + continue; + } + af = af0; + break; +#ifdef INET6 + case AF_INET6: + if (inet_pton(af, addrstr, &addrbuf) != 1) { + *errp = NO_DATA; /* name found */ + continue; + } + af = af0; + break; +#endif + case AF_UNSPEC: + if (inet_aton(addrstr, (struct in_addr *)&addrbuf) + == 1) { + af = AF_INET; + break; + } +#ifdef INET6 + if (inet_pton(AF_INET6, addrstr, &addrbuf) == 1) { + af = AF_INET6; + break; + } +#endif *errp = NO_DATA; /* name found */ continue; + /* NOTREACHED */ } hp = &hpbuf; hp->h_name = cname; @@ -842,6 +905,8 @@ { struct hostent *hp = NULL; + if (af == AF_UNSPEC) + af = AF_INET; if (af == AF_INET) { hp = _gethostbynisname(name, af); if (hp != NULL) @@ -870,15 +935,22 @@ #define DNS_ASSERT(X) if (!(X)) { goto badanswer; } #endif +struct __res_type_list { + SLIST_ENTRY(__res_type_list) rtl_entry; + int rtl_type; +}; + static struct hostent * -_dns_ghbyname(const char *name, int af, int *errp) +_gethpbyanswer(answer, anslen, qtype, errp) + const u_char *answer; + int anslen; + int qtype; + int *errp; { int n; - u_char answer[BUFSIZ]; char tbuf[MAXDNAME+1]; HEADER *hp; - u_char *cp, *eom; - int qtype; + const u_char *cp, *eom; int type, class, ancount, qdcount; u_long ttl; char hostbuf[BUFSIZ]; @@ -889,30 +961,17 @@ int buflen; int na, nh; - if ((_res.options & RES_INIT) == 0) { - if (res_init() < 0) { - *errp = h_errno; - return NULL; - } - } hbuf.h_aliases = alist; - hbuf.h_addrtype = af; - hbuf.h_length = ADDRLEN(af); - hbuf.h_addr_list = hlist; - na = nh = 0; - + hbuf.h_addrtype = #ifdef INET6 - qtype = (af == AF_INET6 ? T_AAAA : T_A); -#else - qtype = T_A; + (qtype == T_AAAA) ? AF_INET6 : #endif - n = res_search(name, C_IN, qtype, answer, sizeof(answer)); - if (n < 0) { - *errp = h_errno; - return NULL; - } + AF_INET; + hbuf.h_length = ADDRLEN(hbuf.h_addrtype); + hbuf.h_addr_list = hlist; + na = nh = 0; hp = (HEADER *)answer; - eom = answer + n; + eom = answer + anslen; ancount = ntohs(hp->ancount); qdcount = ntohs(hp->qdcount); DNS_ASSERT(qdcount == 1); @@ -992,6 +1051,210 @@ alist[na] = NULL; hlist[nh] = NULL; return _hpcopy(&hbuf, errp); +} + +/* res_search() variant with multiple query support. */ +static struct hostent * +_res_search_multi(name, rtl, errp) + const char *name; /* domain name */ + struct __res_type_list *rtl; /* list of query types */ + int *errp; +{ + u_char answer[BUFSIZ]; /* buffer to put answer */ + const char *cp, * const *domain; + struct hostent *hp0 = NULL, *hp; + u_int dots; + int trailing_dot, ret, saved_herrno; + int got_nodata = 0, got_servfail = 0, tried_as_is = 0; + struct __res_type_list *rtl0 = rtl; + + if ((_res.options & RES_INIT) == 0 && res_init() == -1) { + *errp = NETDB_INTERNAL; + return (NULL); + } + dots = 0; + for (cp = name; *cp; cp++) + dots += (*cp == '.'); + trailing_dot = 0; + if (cp > name && *--cp == '.') + trailing_dot++; + + /* If there aren't any dots, it could be a user-level alias */ + if (!dots && (cp = hostalias(name)) != NULL) { + for(rtl = rtl0; rtl != NULL; + rtl = SLIST_NEXT(rtl, rtl_entry)) { + ret = res_query(cp, C_IN, rtl->rtl_type, answer, + sizeof(answer)); + if (ret > 0) { + hp = _gethpbyanswer(answer, ret, rtl->rtl_type, + errp); + hp0 = _hpmerge(hp0, hp, errp); + } + } + return (hp0); + } + + /* + * If there are dots in the name already, let's just give it a try + * 'as is'. The threshold can be set with the "ndots" option. + */ + saved_herrno = -1; + if (dots >= _res.ndots) { + for(rtl = rtl0; rtl != NULL; + rtl = SLIST_NEXT(rtl, rtl_entry)) { + ret = res_querydomain(name, NULL, C_IN, rtl->rtl_type, + answer, sizeof(answer)); + if (ret > 0) { + hp = _gethpbyanswer(answer, ret, rtl->rtl_type, + errp); + hp0 = _hpmerge(hp0, hp, errp); + } + } + if (hp0 != NULL) + return (hp0); + saved_herrno = *errp; + tried_as_is++; + } + + /* + * We do at least one level of search if + * - there is no dot and RES_DEFNAME is set, or + * - there is at least one dot, there is no trailing dot, + * and RES_DNSRCH is set. + */ + if ((!dots && (_res.options & RES_DEFNAMES)) || + (dots && !trailing_dot && (_res.options & RES_DNSRCH))) { + int done = 0; + + for (domain = (const char * const *)_res.dnsrch; + *domain && !done; + domain++) { + + for(rtl = rtl0; rtl != NULL; + rtl = SLIST_NEXT(rtl, rtl_entry)) { + ret = res_querydomain(name, *domain, C_IN, + rtl->rtl_type, + answer, sizeof(answer)); + if (ret > 0) { + hp = _gethpbyanswer(answer, ret, + rtl->rtl_type, + errp); + hp0 = _hpmerge(hp0, hp, errp); + } + } + if (hp0 != NULL) + return (hp0); + + /* + * If no server present, give up. + * If name isn't found in this domain, + * keep trying higher domains in the search list + * (if that's enabled). + * On a NO_DATA error, keep trying, otherwise + * a wildcard entry of another type could keep us + * from finding this entry higher in the domain. + * If we get some other error (negative answer or + * server failure), then stop searching up, + * but try the input name below in case it's + * fully-qualified. + */ + if (errno == ECONNREFUSED) { + *errp = TRY_AGAIN; + return (NULL); + } + + switch (*errp) { + case NO_DATA: + got_nodata++; + /* FALLTHROUGH */ + case HOST_NOT_FOUND: + /* keep trying */ + break; + case TRY_AGAIN: + if (((HEADER *)answer)->rcode == SERVFAIL) { + /* try next search element, if any */ + got_servfail++; + break; + } + /* FALLTHROUGH */ + default: + /* anything else implies that we're done */ + done++; + } + + /* if we got here for some reason other than DNSRCH, + * we only wanted one iteration of the loop, so stop. + */ + if (!(_res.options & RES_DNSRCH)) + done++; + } + } + + /* + * If we have not already tried the name "as is", do that now. + * note that we do this regardless of how many dots were in the + * name or whether it ends with a dot unless NOTLDQUERY is set. + */ + if (!tried_as_is && (dots || !(_res.options & RES_NOTLDQUERY))) { + for(rtl = rtl0; rtl != NULL; + rtl = SLIST_NEXT(rtl, rtl_entry)) { + ret = res_querydomain(name, NULL, C_IN, rtl->rtl_type, + answer, sizeof(answer)); + if (ret > 0) { + hp = _gethpbyanswer(answer, ret, rtl->rtl_type, + errp); + hp0 = _hpmerge(hp0, hp, errp); + } + } + if (hp0 != NULL) + return (hp0); + } + + /* if we got here, we didn't satisfy the search. + * if we did an initial full query, return that query's h_errno + * (note that we wouldn't be here if that query had succeeded). + * else if we ever got a nodata, send that back as the reason. + * else send back meaningless h_errno, that being the one from + * the last DNSRCH we did. + */ + if (saved_herrno != -1) + *errp = saved_herrno; + else if (got_nodata) + *errp = NO_DATA; + else if (got_servfail) + *errp = TRY_AGAIN; + return (NULL); +} + +static struct hostent * +_dns_ghbyname(const char *name, int af, int *errp) +{ + struct __res_type_list *rtl, rtl4; +#ifdef INET6 + struct __res_type_list rtl6; +#endif + +#ifdef INET6 + switch (af) { + case AF_UNSPEC: + SLIST_NEXT(&rtl4, rtl_entry) = NULL; rtl4.rtl_type = T_A; + SLIST_NEXT(&rtl6, rtl_entry) = &rtl4; rtl6.rtl_type = T_AAAA; + rtl = &rtl6; + break; + case AF_INET6: + SLIST_NEXT(&rtl6, rtl_entry) = NULL; rtl6.rtl_type = T_AAAA; + rtl = &rtl6; + break; + case AF_INET: + SLIST_NEXT(&rtl4, rtl_entry) = NULL; rtl4.rtl_type = T_A; + rtl = &rtl4; + break; + } +#else + SLIST_NEXT(&rtl4, rtl_entry) = NULL; rtl4.rtl_type = T_A; + rtl = &rtl4; +#endif + return(_res_search_multi(name, rtl, errp)); } static struct hostent * ----Next_Part(Thu_Apr__6_14:27:28_2000_41)---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 22:36:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pmail1.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [194.221.183.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5831037B563 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 20806 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from pc19f5df1.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.93.241) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 19:19:36 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27638 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:51:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:51:27 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH problem (fatal: rsa_private_decrypt() failed) Message-ID: <20000405185127.K23851@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <03b201bf9e71$cc7fbdc0$851a050a@winstar.com>; from seames@winstar.com on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 03:10:18PM -0500 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 15:10 -0500, Steven E. Ames wrote: > > Side topic... anyone know what the licensing fee is to get a > commercial copy of RSA for OpenSSH? I've got some potentially > commercial applications that I'd like to run on it... Here (.de) ASCOM seems to be the one to contact. Try www.ascom.at or www.ascom.com. But I don't know about regional specials. Or get any RSA implementation and look out for (C) comments in the source. The ssh-1.2.25+ code should have a reference. Or go to your www.mutt.org mirror and step into the contrib directory in the download section. AFAIR it's USD 15,- per copy plus some pence off when purchasing larger volums. Maybe there are site licenses, too. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 23: 0:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5E037B7EE for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115204>; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:00:33 +1000 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: A few STABLE problems In-reply-to: <200003311937.LAA25957@csla.csl.sri.com>; from gilham@snapdragon.csl.sri.com on Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 05:40:30AM +1000 To: Fred Gilham Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Apr6.160033est.115204@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200003311937.LAA25957@csla.csl.sri.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:00:32 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Apr-01 05:40:30 +1000, Fred Gilham wrote: >There are a few persistent problems I thought I'd mention. By >persistent I mean on-going over many releases (one is from 2.2). ... >I would appreciate it if I could know what to do about these problems >so I wouldn't have to carry patches around with me. You should send-pr each of your problems (you mention that you've done this for one problem, but you didn't mention any PR numbers). Since you have patches, include them in the PR. If you feel your PRs are being ignored, try raising it with whoever maintains that area of the system. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 5 23:22:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596E137B987 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id QAA13782 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:22:48 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200004060622.QAA13782@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Help with consistent kernel panic To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:22:48 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I'm getting a consistent kernel panic when doing a make buildworld for 4.0-STABLE. This is on a new mobo, but happens on both UDMA and non-UDMA disk drives, and even if I switch to wd.c. I'm really not sure if it's software or hardware, but the fault virtual address is around the same place: fault virtual address = 0xbfc20170 fault virtual address = 0xbfc2017c fault virtual address = 0xbfc2023c and the page fault is always in pmap_remove_pages(). Is there a kind soul out there who would be prepared to poke at 3 captured kernel core dumps and determine if this is hardware or software? I'd be happy to give them a root ssh account on this new box so they could gdb -k. Many thanks in advance, Warren P.S Here's an example stack trace. Script started on Thu Apr 6 15:59:56 2000 Reading symbols from kernel.debug...done. (kgdb) exec-file kernel.1 (kgdb) core-file vmcore.1 IdlePTD 2547712 initial pcb at 20a8a0 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xbfc2023c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc01c2c8b stack pointer = 0x10:0xc61edee4 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc61edef4 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 432 (cpp) interrupt mask = net bio cam trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 giving up on 19 buffers Uptime: 2m2s dumping to dev #ad/1, offset 73856 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 304 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 #1 0xc012d140 in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc01ea82f, howto=-976618592) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:554 #2 0xc01c4991 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc61edea4, eva=3217162812) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:924 #3 0xc01c4669 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc61edea4, usermode=0, eva=3217162812) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:817 #4 0xc01c425f in trap (frame={tf_fs = -971112432, tf_es = -1071906800, tf_ds = -1069023216, tf_edi = -976598164, tf_esi = -1067980116, tf_ebp = -971055372, tf_isp = -971055408, tf_ebx = -1067980116, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = -1077804484, tf_eax = 131644, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1071895413, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66054, tf_esp = -976598272, tf_ss = -1071696340}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:423 #5 0xc01c2c8b in pmap_remove_pages (pmap=0xc5ca4b6c, sva=0, eva=3217031168) at ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:2917 #6 0xc01262fb in exit1 (p=0xc5c9fba0, rv=0) at ../../kern/kern_exit.c:215 #7 0xc01260e8 in exit1 (p=0xc5c9fba0, rv=0) at ../../kern/kern_exit.c:103 #8 0xc01c4bc2 in syscall (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -1, tf_ebp = -1077939104, tf_isp = -971055148, tf_ebx = 672088484, tf_edx = 672088096, tf_ecx = 134684672, tf_eax = 1, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671808580, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077939148, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1073 #9 0xc01b77e6 in Xint0x80_syscall () Cannot access memory at address 0xbfbff460. (kgdb) quit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 0:47:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A69537BE74 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29278; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38EC4109.955BF5B@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:47:22 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0325 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dayton+freebsd-stable@overx.com Cc: Vivek Khera , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time References: <14568.45040.795743.139682@kci.kciLink.com> <200004031510.LAB21697@radagast.wizard.net> <14568.47470.412562.32287@kci.kciLink.com> <86ya6v59om.fsf@polo.overx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soren Dayton wrote: > > Vivek Khera writes: > > > >>>>> "DRT" == Donald R Tyson writes: > > > > DRT> At least the 4.0-STABLE side, despite the error reported by > > DRT> several on this list, managed to get the time right. > > > > The error is in the date program's ability to tell you the time X > > hours ago, when that X is during the leap-ahead hour. I consider this > > a bug in date, as my example showed. The time exists, date just can't > > tell you what it is. > > Also, I noticed that cron doesn't handle the leap-hour case. Well, it does handle it, basically by ignoring it. This is not an oversight however, it's essentially by design. When you start asking yourself questions about what exactly it should do in those various situations, you can quickly cause yourself a brain bleed. Much better to handle the situation more appropriately by carefully scheduling your cron jobs. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 0:58:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF2C37B9C7 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:58:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from irvine@sanbi.ac.za) Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za ([196.38.142.119] helo=sanbi.ac.za) by fling.sanbi.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12d7B5-00044B-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:58:11 +0200 Message-ID: <38EC4393.C89517E5@sanbi.ac.za> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:58:11 +0200 From: Irvine Short Organization: SANBI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: AudioPCI ES1371 problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I'm running stable as of about March 29th and cannot get an ES1371 to work. Here's what I have in my kern config: # Sound card stuff... device pcm0 device es0 (This line just a wild guess - made no difference) And here's what dmesg says: es1: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 pcm1: using I/O space register mapping at 0xe800 es1371: codec vendor TRA revision 3 es1371: codec features Bass & Treble es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement however, when I go to /dev and do sh MAKEDEV pcm0, or pcm1 or just pcm, I get the error "No such device" Also, how come I specify pcm0 in the config file and it finds pcm1? When I run x11amp it can't find an audio device either. All suggestions and help most welcome. -- Irvine Short SANBI Sys Admin tel: +27-21-959 3645 cel: +27-82-494 3828 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 2: 5: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E0537BB9F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from irvine@sanbi.ac.za) Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za ([196.38.142.119] helo=sanbi.ac.za) by fling.sanbi.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12d8Db-0005Vx-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:04:51 +0200 Message-ID: <38EC5333.387F96BB@sanbi.ac.za> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:04:51 +0200 From: Irvine Short Organization: SANBI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AudioPCI ES1371 problems References: <38EC4393.C89517E5@sanbi.ac.za> <20000406042740.A2944@rjk191.rh.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Great! Now x11amp plays, but no sound. I installed xmix 2.1 from the ports and twiddled the sliders, but still no sound. Any suggestions? Ray Kohler wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:58:11AM +0200, Irvine Short wrote: > > I'm running stable as of about March 29th and cannot get an ES1371 to > > work. > > > > however, when I go to /dev and do > > > > sh MAKEDEV pcm0, or pcm1 or just pcm, I get the error "No such device" > > The correct device to make is "snd1". > > -- > Ray Kohler > FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve > In 1869 the waffle iron was invented for people who had wrinkled > waffles. -- Irvine Short SANBI Sys Admin tel: +27-21-959 3645 cel: +27-82-494 3828 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 2:41:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A18B37BE90 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA64078 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:57:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:57:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Task for -doc newbie / XML'ing LINT. . . Message-ID: <20000406095701.C62492@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, [ sent to -doc, where it's on topic. Sent to -stable, where there's been much discussion of the docs recently. If anyone's got any energy left from that they could usefully expend it on this. Sent to -hackers, where the last chunk about XML is on topic, and will probably get me lynched. . . Follow-ups *not* set, as depending on which bits you reply to might make it more appropriate for one list or another. ] If anyone's looking for a relatively simple, but quite involving task. . . Update section 2.3 of the Handbook, "Supported Hardware". In particular, for each piece of hardware I'd like to know * The name of the hardware (which we already have, pretty much) * The category ("Disk Controller", "NIC", "USB", "ISDN", "Serial", "Mice", "Scanners", Other. . .) * The name of the driver/kernel config entry it's associated with * A URL for a page on the manufacturer's website that describes the product (if it exists). * Other URLs of interest (for example, if someone else has a page up that explains how to use this device with FreeBSD). * Assorted notes about the product What would be particularly useful is if we can get this information in a queryable form (XML, rah rah rah). We could then * Convert it to DocBook for inclusion in the Handbook * Build something much like the BSDI's website "Supported Hardware" section, where you can search for your hardware, and it gives you back lots of info about the device. [ OK, I'm pushing the boat out big time on this one, and it'll probably get shot down, but what the hell ] * Use this as *documentation in the source tree* to build chunks of the LINT config file. Imagine, for example, src/sys/pci/DRIVERS.xml, which looked something like (and I'm doodling on the back of an envelope at the moment) pci NIC fxp EtherExpress Pro/10, Pro/100B, Pro/100+ Fast Ethernet adapters, based on the Intel i82557 or i82559 chipsets. [ ... ] LINT would then become some boiler plate text for things we don't want to describe this way, plus the output of a process which takes the above and turns it into a config(8) style file. When you add a new driver, update the .xml file(s) as necessary. Next time LINT is built it contains the appropriate text, next time the Handbook is built it lists the device as supported. . . Thoughts? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 2:53: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from infos1.casaccia.enea.it (INFOS1.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.71.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BD237BBF6 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poggif@casaccia.enea.it) Received: from studi7106 (STUDI7106.casaccia.enea.it [192.107.77.106]) by infos1.casaccia.enea.it (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04544; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:45:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000406114431.00931220@infos1.casaccia.enea.it> X-Sender: poggif@infos1.casaccia.enea.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:44:31 +0200 To: Andrew Sherrod From: Fabrizio Poggi Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000405050747.21237.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 22.07 04/04/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have a good deal of experience with documentation, >and wouldn't mind spending some time working on it. > >Anyone have anything they need written up? Or, >alternately, any docs that have fallen well behind the >actual code? > >AGS Documentation! It's the only thing permitted by my low level of skill. Maybe can interest someone that I can produce & mantain tons of web pages as a Xerox Copier? Do you find useful something like that? Regards, Fabrizio. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 3: 4:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C9037C2D0 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28026 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:57:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06003 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:14:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200004060914.KAA06003@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: funny firewall behaviour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:13:59 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone got any idea why I'm seeing this ? > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.174.185 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.174.185 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.174.185 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.174.185 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 I've got an open firewall that defaults to open.... I expect it to let the fragments thorough - even if I haven't already received a header, but what's this rule -1 stuff ? FWIW, these fragments belong to a local tunnel setup... Thanks for any help. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 3: 6:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6800137BBF6; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01017; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:36:12 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000406095701.C62492@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:36:12 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Nik Clayton Subject: RE: Task for -doc newbie / XML'ing LINT. . . Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Apr-00 Nik Clayton wrote: > When you add a new driver, update the .xml file(s) as necessary. Next > time LINT is built it contains the appropriate text, next time the > Handbook is built it lists the device as supported. . . > > Thoughts? Sounds like a DAMN good idea.. Could also be used for other things... Like (*gasp*) GUI kernel builders/configurators. ...fire away :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 3:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A9337BF49 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA70793; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:16:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200004061016.MAA70793@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: funny firewall behaviour In-Reply-To: <200004060914.KAA06003@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> from Brian Somers at "Apr 6, 2000 10:13:59 am" To: Brian Somers Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Has anyone got any idea why I'm seeing this ? some bogus code in ip_fw.c which tries to read some uninitialized memory when finds a short packet. (look for "bogusfrag") cheers luigi > > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 ... > FWIW, these fragments belong to a local tunnel setup... > > Thanks for any help. > -- > Brian > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 3:47:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B0F37B9AA for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyson@stanfordalumni.org) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (tc1-s45.wizard.net [206.161.15.75]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19150; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:47:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200004061047.GAA19150@radagast.wizard.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:53:10 PDT." <21584.954978790@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:47:10 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for that. I thought something was wrong with my nmh setup. Don Tyson > What the hell? If mangling his message and sending it back to the > entire mailing list was some sort of joke, I'm not laughing. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 5:20:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A182A37BF45 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (root@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA97441; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA85350; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200004061220.IAA85350@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: Netscape pegs CPU on XServer kill In-Reply-To: <00Apr6.093519est.115207@border.alcanet.com.au> from Peter Jeremy at "Apr 6, 2000 09:35:16 am" To: Peter Jeremy Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: David Kelly , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" wrote: =>the above note. And it *says* it "core dumped" but I haven't found any =>netscape.core's laying around lately. = =The ports installation process makes /usr/local/bin/netscape a small =shellscript which sets a couple of environment variables, turns off =core dumps (ulimit -c 0) and then exec's the netscape binary. This =means you won't find any droppings lying around. Yeah, but it used to be, it would not even say '(core dumped)' if there was not one. Now it will say that even if no dump was made. Kind of misleading, although, I'm sure there is some reason for it. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 5:35:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD3D37BD6A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81087137FB2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02494; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:34:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: squid port broken in the future. X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The squid23 port isn't building on 4.0-RELEASE for me. First, the md5 checksums are coming up wrong for some of the downloaded files... and then if I make NO_CHECKSUM=YES, its failing later. I looked at the port, and found the following: 1.2 Fri Apr 10 5:11:38 1998 UTC by peter CVS Tags: RELEASE_4_0_0, RELEASE_3_4_0, RELEASE_3_3_0, RELEASE_3_2_0, RELEASE_3_1_0, RELEASE_2_2_8, RELEASE_3_0_0, RELEASE_2_2_7, HEAD Diffs to 1.1 Update squid-1.2b18 -> 1.2.b19 (with dist patch) Read ChangeLog for the large list of bugfixes/changes/new features. ... which would seem to indicate that someone's got their clock set in the future. Is this possibly having bad effects on the cvsup system? Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 5:44: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B1D37B6B2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA47214; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:41:35 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:41:35 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: Irvine Short Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AudioPCI ES1371 problems In-Reply-To: <38EC4393.C89517E5@sanbi.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Irvine: This is probably more appropriatly posted to -questions as it is NOT a -stable issue. Remember that for next time... For now, I'll suggest that you just need to include 'device pcm0' in your kernel config file. Upon boot, you'll notive 'pcm#: using...' where '#' is likely 0 or 1. At thing point, you need to 'sh MAKEDEV snd#' where number is the same as noted above. Hope this helps. Bryan On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Irvine Short wrote: > Hi! > > I'm running stable as of about March 29th and cannot get an ES1371 to > work. > > Here's what I have in my kern config: > # Sound card stuff... > device pcm0 > device es0 (This line just a wild guess - made no difference) > > And here's what dmesg says: > > es1: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 > pcm1: using I/O space register mapping at 0xe800 > es1371: codec vendor TRA revision 3 > es1371: codec features Bass & Treble > es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement > > however, when I go to /dev and do > > sh MAKEDEV pcm0, or pcm1 or just pcm, I get the error "No such device" > > Also, how come I specify pcm0 in the config file and it finds pcm1? > > When I run x11amp it can't find an audio device either. > > All suggestions and help most welcome. > > > > -- > > Irvine Short > > SANBI Sys Admin > tel: +27-21-959 3645 > cel: +27-82-494 3828 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 6: 7:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frog.nutt.net.au (frog.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD7437B973 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jarrod@nutt.net.au) Received: from wallace.i.nutt.net.au (utopia.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.50]) by frog.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27456; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:37:41 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (jarrod@localhost) by wallace.i.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25418; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:41:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:41:11 +0930 (CST) From: Jarrod X-Sender: jarrod@wallace.i.nutt.net.au To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, David Gilbert wrote: > The squid23 port isn't building on 4.0-RELEASE for me. First, the md5 > checksums are coming up wrong for some of the downloaded files... and > then if I make NO_CHECKSUM=YES, its failing later. I have squid23 running on 4.0-R, no problems. May you have a bad source download, try removing /usr/ports/distfiles/squid23/xxxx.tar.gz and make'ing it again so it fetches it again. > I looked at the port, and found the following: > > 1.2 Fri Apr 10 5:11:38 1998 UTC by peter > CVS Tags: RELEASE_4_0_0, RELEASE_3_4_0, RELEASE_3_3_0, RELEASE_3_2_0, RELEASE_3_1_0, RELEASE_2_2_8, RELEASE_3_0_0, RELEASE_2_2_7, HEAD > Diffs to 1.1 > > Update squid-1.2b18 -> 1.2.b19 (with dist patch) Arn't you talking about 2.3+? This is about a diff done in 10/4/1998 which moved the current squid version from 1.2b18 to 1.2b19. > Read ChangeLog for the large list of bugfixes/changes/new features. > > ... which would seem to indicate that someone's got their clock set in > the future. Is this possibly having bad effects on the cvsup system? ehh... 1998's been and gone. -Jarrod -- Jarrod Sayers (jarrod@nutt.net.au) "Where's the Kaboom? There was suppose to be an Earth shattering Kaboom!" (Marvin the Martian) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 6: 9:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9C437BEE1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12dC1k-0000TS-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:08:52 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400." <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:08:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1825.955026532@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400, David Gilbert wrote: > I looked at the port, and found the following: > > 1.2 Fri Apr 10 5:11:38 1998 UTC by peter > CVS Tags: RELEASE_4_0_0, RELEASE_3_4_0, RELEASE_3_3_0, RELEASE_3_2_0, RELEASE _3_1_0, RELEASE_2_2_8, RELEASE_3_0_0, RELEASE_2_2_7, HEAD > Diffs to 1.1 You're not looking closely enough. That was 1998. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 6:57:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE1437C273 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29910; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:57:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08084; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:57:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200004061357.OAA08084@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Coleman Kane Cc: Southwell , David Nixon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS In-Reply-To: Message from Coleman Kane of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:35:07 EDT." <20000405203507.C7702@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:57:06 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Look, I'm only gonna say this once. I do not get the point of your > email. You are obviously ragging about a stupid security flaw that is > prevalent in windows, and more specifically outlook onto the FreeBSD [.....] In case you care: BAD signature made 2000-04-06 00:35 GMT by key: 1024 bits, Key ID E6C9F3CD, Created 1999-12-12 "Coleman Kane " -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 7: 7:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFA437BF2F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29950; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08146; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:06:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200004061406.PAA08146@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: funny firewall behaviour In-Reply-To: Message from Luigi Rizzo of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:16:22 +0200." <200004061016.MAA70793@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:06:57 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Has anyone got any idea why I'm seeing this ? > > some bogus code in ip_fw.c which tries to read some > uninitialized memory when finds a short packet. > (look for "bogusfrag") Any chance of a fix ? Should the code be passing the packet through if (f->fw_flg & IP_FW_F_FRAG) ? > cheers > luigi > > > > ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 213.1.106.3 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 > ... > > FWIW, these fragments belong to a local tunnel setup... > > > > Thanks for any help. Cheers. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 7:46:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D8337BFA6 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (lai-ca4b-26.ix.netcom.com [209.110.245.26]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23798; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B48E1E6F25; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Harding To: dgilbert@velocet.ca Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> (message from David Gilbert on Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. References: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> Message-Id: <20000406144517.B48E1E6F25@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Builds here just fine under 4.0. One thing is, don't build with -O2, it will crash, at least under 4.0. Another is, erase your binaries and start over. Yes, I did this also just to test it. If you are using squid to proxy fetch, don't, at least for this pass - sometimes squid gets confused about incomplete downloads and keeps giving you truncated files. You are quoting from the squid 1.2 port below, I think... the year is 1998, not the future... - Mike H. From: David Gilbert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-RULES: lists The squid23 port isn't building on 4.0-RELEASE for me. First, the md5 checksums are coming up wrong for some of the downloaded files... and then if I make NO_CHECKSUM=YES, its failing later. I looked at the port, and found the following: 1.2 Fri Apr 10 5:11:38 1998 UTC by peter CVS Tags: RELEASE_4_0_0, RELEASE_3_4_0, RELEASE_3_3_0, RELEASE_3_2_0, RELEASE_3_1_0, RELEASE_2_2_8, RELEASE_3_0_0, RELEASE_2_2_7, HEAD Diffs to 1.1 Update squid-1.2b18 -> 1.2.b19 (with dist patch) Read ChangeLog for the large list of bugfixes/changes/new features. ... which would seem to indicate that someone's got their clock set in the future. Is this possibly having bad effects on the cvsup system? Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8: 7:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E36E37BA35 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01314; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA91361; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004061506.JAA91361@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Weeks Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Cc: Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:05:25 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:06:17 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jim Weeks writes: : Well then. Whats the hold up? ;> Time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8: 8:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB4037B5B5 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599A2137FB2; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16310; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:08:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14572.43125.45576.647578@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:08:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Harding Cc: dgilbert@velocet.ca, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: <20000406144517.B48E1E6F25@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> <20000406144517.B48E1E6F25@netcom1.netcom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harding writes: Mike> Builds here just fine under 4.0. One thing is, don't build with Mike> -O2, it will crash, at least under 4.0. Another is, erase your Mike> binaries and start over. Yes, I did this also just to test it. Mike> If you are using squid to proxy fetch, don't, at least for this Mike> pass - sometimes squid gets confused about incomplete downloads Mike> and keeps giving you truncated files. Mike> You are quoting from the squid 1.2 port below, I think... the Mike> year is 1998, not the future... Hmm.... you're right. Musta been too early, but under 4.0-RELEASE, I get: [1:4:304]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make install >> squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://squid.nlanr.net/pub/squid-2/STABLE/. Receiving squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz (954925 bytes): 100% 954925 bytes transferred in 6.2 seconds (151.07 Kbytes/s) >> squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch (546 bytes): 100% 546 bytes transferred in 0.0 seconds (1682.09 Kbytes/s) >> squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch (2739 bytes): 100% 2739 bytes transferred in 0.1 seconds (28.35 Kbytes/s) ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 >> Checksum OK for squid2.3/squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz. >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch. >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch. Make sure the Makefile and md5 file (/usr/ports/www/squid23/files/md5) are up to date. If you want to override this check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". and If I NO_CHECKSUM=YES, I get: [1:5:305]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make NO_CHECKSUM=YES install ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 ===> Patching for squid-2.3 ===> Applying distribution patches for squid-2.3 File to patch: Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8: 9: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AA637BCEB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12dDtt-0009dp-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:53 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29760; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:52 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Kenny Drobnack Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Message-ID: <20000406160852.C29665@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 12:42:22AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a known issue with parallel port zips and 4.0 right now. It is being checked out. Is this a laptop or a desktop machine? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8: 9:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A9237BCEB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.com) Received: from host-216-78-4-207.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-4-207.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.4.207]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id LAA15066; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks X-Sender: jim@veager.siteplus.net To: Warner Losh Cc: Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia In-Reply-To: <200004052059.OAA84088@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Someone, likely me, needs to finish up about 20 lines of code to make > it possible to map the cis in the drivers. Once that is done, it will > be trivial to get xe working. > > Warner > Well then. Whats the hold up? ;> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8:22:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA41937BCEB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C3E137F73; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17712; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14572.43968.115710.862053@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Jarrod Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: References: <14572.33897.986857.170899@trooper.velocet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Jarrod" == Jarrod writes: Jarrod> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, David Gilbert wrote: >> The squid23 port isn't building on 4.0-RELEASE for me. First, the >> md5 checksums are coming up wrong for some of the downloaded >> files... and then if I make NO_CHECKSUM=YES, its failing later. Jarrod> I have squid23 running on 4.0-R, no problems. May you have a Jarrod> bad source download, try removing Jarrod> /usr/ports/distfiles/squid23/xxxx.tar.gz and make'ing it again Jarrod> so it fetches it again. I've done that several times. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8:24:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frog.nutt.net.au (frog.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDCD37BB62 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jarrod@nutt.net.au) Received: from wallace.i.nutt.net.au (utopia.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.50]) by frog.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28271; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:54:39 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (jarrod@localhost) by wallace.i.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26000; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:58:17 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:58:16 +0930 (CST) From: Jarrod X-Sender: jarrod@wallace.i.nutt.net.au To: David Gilbert Cc: Mike Harding , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: <14572.43125.45576.647578@trooper.velocet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, David Gilbert wrote: > Hmm.... you're right. Musta been too early, but under 4.0-RELEASE, I > get: wallace> ls -al total 950 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 29 18:15 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Apr 2 22:58 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 954925 Mar 3 08:13 squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 718 Mar 5 11:40 squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2190 Mar 3 15:55 squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch This is strange, the file size of your main src file matchs, no problems with the MD5 there. The EOF patch is 718 bytes, you recieved 546, not all the file was transfered. The USE_DNSSERVER patch was 2190 for me, 2739 for you. Do you know if your going through a transparent proxy? I noticed that when we set up ours, http transfers dropped out half way going through with 'fetch'. The USE_DNSSERVER file is odd, open it up and make sure it isnt an error message generated by trans. proxy :) Dont know if its the right way to do it, but I found deleting the last two files from the /usr/ports/distfiles/squid2.3 (EOF & USE_DNSSERVER) and doing this, that it works. cd /usr/ports/distfiles/squid2.3 fetch -b -t http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch fetch -b -t http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch cd /usr/ports/www/squid23 make clean make install Attempting to build it without the checksums on isnt wise isn't it? > [1:4:304]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make install > >> squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. > >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://squid.nlanr.net/pub/squid-2/STABLE/. > Receiving squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz (954925 bytes): 100% > 954925 bytes transferred in 6.2 seconds (151.07 Kbytes/s) > >> squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. > >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. > Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch (546 bytes): 100% > 546 bytes transferred in 0.0 seconds (1682.09 Kbytes/s) > >> squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. > >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. > Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch (2739 bytes): 100% > 2739 bytes transferred in 0.1 seconds (28.35 Kbytes/s) > ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 > >> Checksum OK for squid2.3/squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz. > >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch. > >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch. > Make sure the Makefile and md5 file (/usr/ports/www/squid23/files/md5) > are up to date. If you want to override this check, type > "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". > > and If I NO_CHECKSUM=YES, I get: > > [1:5:305]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make NO_CHECKSUM=YES install > ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 > ===> Patching for squid-2.3 > ===> Applying distribution patches for squid-2.3 > File to patch: > > Dave. -- Jarrod Sayers (jarrod@nutt.net.au) "Allow me a second, ma'am. Just cross-filing that story under 'B' for blackmail, and 'A', for anecdote; sub-category 'S' for 'so funny you'll laugh till you're sick!'. (Kryten, Red Dwarf - Duct Soup) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8:33:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64C337C189 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53231137FD4; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18825; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14572.44591.894464.856254@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Jarrod Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: References: <14572.43125.45576.647578@trooper.velocet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Jarrod" == Jarrod writes: Jarrod> This is strange, the file size of your main src file matchs, Jarrod> no problems with the MD5 there. The EOF patch is 718 bytes, Jarrod> you recieved 546, not all the file was transfered. The Jarrod> USE_DNSSERVER patch was 2190 for me, 2739 for you. Do you Jarrod> know if your going through a transparent proxy? I noticed Jarrod> that when we set up ours, http transfers dropped out half way Jarrod> going through with 'fetch'. The USE_DNSSERVER file is odd, Jarrod> open it up and make sure it isnt an error message generated by Jarrod> trans. proxy :) No proxy here. Looks like the site may have changed their files. It would appear that the copy on ftp.freebsd.org is a context diff and the copy on the squid site is a unified diff (they appear to be equivalent diffs) Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 8:43: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frog.nutt.net.au (frog.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38B037C12E for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jarrod@nutt.net.au) Received: from wallace.i.nutt.net.au (utopia.nutt.net.au [203.25.185.50]) by frog.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28388 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:13:13 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (jarrod@localhost) by wallace.i.nutt.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26054 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:16:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:16:51 +0930 (CST) From: Jarrod X-Sender: jarrod@wallace.i.nutt.net.au To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: <14572.44591.894464.856254@trooper.velocet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, David Gilbert wrote: > It would appear that the copy on ftp.freebsd.org is a context diff and > the copy on the squid site is a unified diff (they appear to be > equivalent diffs) Good point. Didn't think of that :) I think its the other way around. FreeBSD's one is the unified one and Squid's is the context one. None the less, the MD5's should work if you fetch the two files from ftp.freebsd.org. -Jarrod -- Jarrod Sayers (jarrod@nutt.net.au) "That's it, no point, just boasting." (Jack Gallo, Just Shoot Me) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 9:18:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D9B37B98C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12dEyI-0006BG-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:17:30 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12dEyI-0008F3-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:17:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:17:30 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Yoshinobu Inoue Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 75 second delay using telnet/ssh (ipv6 related) Message-ID: <20000406171730.I39831@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000401193005.A353@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000402124742P.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <20000406125344R.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <20000406142730Q.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000406142730Q.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yoshinobu Inoue wrote: > There were problem reports that sometime ssh and/or telnet > (and also other appss which use getaddrinfo for nameresolving) > has 75 seconds delay in name resolution on FreeBSD4.0 and/or 5.0. > > I created patches to libc to fix the problem and once sent it > to freebsd-current, and it seems to be working. So I also > send the patches to this list. > > Please try the patches anyone who has same kind of problems. This fixes the problem for me, thanks. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 10: 7:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D5E37BCF2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA54828 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:07:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: mounting ad0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have successfully installed FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) onto a SCSI drive and would like to get the IDE drive to mount for extra storage space. I have been trying to use /stand/sysinstall to label the disk and for newfs settings, but when I try to mount something like /dev/ad0s1e it complains the the device is not configured. I have already ran the following commands. cd /dev sh MAKEDEV all sh MAKEDEV ad0 sh MAKEDEV ad0s1a Then I run the command... mount /dev/ad0s1e /export And the ouput is... mount: Device not Configured I have read this page... http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/disks-adding.html I have done all that it asks, except use ad0 instead of the outdated wd0 when running these steps. After trying it a few times to make sure I did it right and running MAKEDEV a few times to rebuild the dev entries I still cannout mount the drives. Is it possible that I should still be using wd0? What else could be wrong? Is there a last step that I am missing? Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 10:13:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B0F37B9D2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.20 2000/04/06 16:10:28 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA03315; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:14:56 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id KAA17853; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:11:55 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id NAA04324; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:13:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14572.50593.530945.466055@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:13:05 -0700 (MST) To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting ad0 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Thursday, April 6, Brennan W Stehling wrote: ] > I have successfully installed FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) onto a SCSI > drive and would like to get the IDE drive to mount for extra storage > space. I have been trying to use /stand/sysinstall to label the disk and > for newfs settings, but when I try to mount something like /dev/ad0s1e it > complains the the device is not configured. > > I have already ran the following commands. > > cd /dev > sh MAKEDEV all > sh MAKEDEV ad0 > sh MAKEDEV ad0s1a > > Then I run the command... > > mount /dev/ad0s1e /export > > And the ouput is... > > mount: Device not Configured Is your kernel finding your IDE controller? What are the relevent boot messages regarding the moboard chipset? -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 10:13:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731CB37BAF5 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06454; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA75035; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000406130955.031b3c10@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:09:55 -0400 To: Brennan W Stehling , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: mounting ad0 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:07 PM 4/6/00 -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: >I have successfully installed FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) onto a SCSI >drive and would like to get the IDE drive to mount for extra storage >space. I have been trying to use /stand/sysinstall to label the disk and >for newfs settings, but when I try to mount something like /dev/ad0s1e it >complains the the device is not configured. What does the output of disklabel ad0 and disklabel ad0s1 look like ? ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 10:23:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC2237BC2A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 83A035D92; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:23:51 -0700 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Is this a known break Message-ID: <20000406102351.A7592@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.0-RELEASE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (5% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 10:22AM up 1:31, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.28 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doing a cvsup from 4.0-R to STABLE started make world. Here is where it erored out. cc -pg -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/toke.c -o toke.po *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't talk about yourself so much. We'll do that when you leave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 10:30:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C953837BFE1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA54903; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling To: John Reynolds~ Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mounting ad0 In-Reply-To: <14572.50593.530945.466055@hip186.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it appears that I will have to start over... again. When I tried to reboot it would not work. I must have cleared out the boot record in my attempt to mount the extra drive. I may just as well wait until I can get the cd and do it all that way... there appear to be too many flaws in the source update right now. I could not mount the IDE right off the bat and ipnat was not working properly either. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, John Reynolds~ wrote: > > [ On Thursday, April 6, Brennan W Stehling wrote: ] > > I have successfully installed FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) onto a SCSI > > drive and would like to get the IDE drive to mount for extra storage > > space. I have been trying to use /stand/sysinstall to label the disk and > > for newfs settings, but when I try to mount something like /dev/ad0s1e it > > complains the the device is not configured. > > > > I have already ran the following commands. > > > > cd /dev > > sh MAKEDEV all > > sh MAKEDEV ad0 > > sh MAKEDEV ad0s1a > > > > Then I run the command... > > > > mount /dev/ad0s1e /export > > > > And the ouput is... > > > > mount: Device not Configured > > Is your kernel finding your IDE controller? What are the relevent boot > messages regarding the moboard chipset? > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 11:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lince.tdnet.com.br (lince.tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3FC37C069 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kernel@tdnet.com.br) Received: from tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.100] by lince.tdnet.com.br with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.00) id A82526A0180; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:23:49 -0300 Message-ID: <38ECA949.ED194DB6@tdnet.com.br> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:12:09 +0000 From: Gustavo V G C Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Rosson Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a known break References: <20000406102351.A7592@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > > Doing a cvsup from 4.0-R to STABLE started make world. Here is where it > erored out. > > cc -pg -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/toke.c -o toke.po > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. > *** Error code 1 > > TIA > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... > The InSaNe One rm -rf * > insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't talk about yourself so much. We'll do that when you leave. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Isn't tag RELENG_4 and STABLE the same thing ? -- If you're happy, you're successful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 11:22: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pilikia.hi.net (pilikia.hi.net.98.36.12.IN-ADDR.ARPA [12.36.98.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8A437BFE8 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@pilikia.hi.net) Received: from taz.pilikia.hi.net (taz.pilikia.hi.net [192.168.0.2]) by pilikia.hi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08023; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:18:30 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.hi.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000406081829.0091a720@pilikia.hi.net> X-Sender: art@pilikia.hi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:18:29 -1000 To: Jarrod From: "Art Neilson, WH7N" Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <14572.43125.45576.647578@trooper.velocet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the same problem here on my 3.4-STABLE system, your email prompted me to build squid, something I've been meaning to do for quite some time. root@pilikia# make >> squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://squid.nlanr.net/pub/squid-2/STABLE/. Receiving squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz (954925 bytes): 100% 954925 bytes transferred in 16.1 seconds (57.88 Kbytes/s) >> squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch doesn't seem to exist on this syst em. >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch (546 bytes): 100% 546 bytes transferred in 0.0 seconds (740.52 Kbytes/s) >> squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch (2739 bytes): 100% 2739 bytes transferred in 0.2 seconds (17.61 Kbytes/s) ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 >> Checksum OK for squid2.3/squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz. >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch. >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch. Make sure the Makefile and md5 file (/usr/ports/www/squid23/files/md5) are up to date. If you want to override this check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". *** Error code 1 Stop. At 12:58 AM 4/7/00 +0930, you wrote: >On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, David Gilbert wrote: > >> Hmm.... you're right. Musta been too early, but under 4.0-RELEASE, I >> get: > >wallace> ls -al >total 950 >drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 29 18:15 . >drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Apr 2 22:58 .. >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 954925 Mar 3 08:13 squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 718 Mar 5 11:40 squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2190 Mar 3 15:55 squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch > >This is strange, the file size of your main src file matchs, no problems >with the MD5 there. The EOF patch is 718 bytes, you recieved 546, not all >the file was transfered. The USE_DNSSERVER patch was 2190 for me, 2739 >for you. Do you know if your going through a transparent proxy? I >noticed that when we set up ours, http transfers dropped out half way >going through with 'fetch'. The USE_DNSSERVER file is odd, open it up and >make sure it isnt an error message generated by trans. proxy :) > >Dont know if its the right way to do it, but I found deleting the last two >files from the /usr/ports/distfiles/squid2.3 (EOF & USE_DNSSERVER) and >doing this, that it works. > >cd /usr/ports/distfiles/squid2.3 >fetch -b -t http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf. data.pre.patch >fetch -b -t http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSER VER.patch >cd /usr/ports/www/squid23 >make clean >make install > >Attempting to build it without the checksums on isnt wise isn't it? > >> [1:4:304]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make install >> >> squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://squid.nlanr.net/pub/squid-2/STABLE/. >> Receiving squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz (954925 bytes): 100% >> 954925 bytes transferred in 6.2 seconds (151.07 Kbytes/s) >> >> squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. >> Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch (546 bytes): 100% >> 546 bytes transferred in 0.0 seconds (1682.09 Kbytes/s) >> >> squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> >> Attempting to fetch from http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.3/bugs/. >> Receiving squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch (2739 bytes): 100% >> 2739 bytes transferred in 0.1 seconds (28.35 Kbytes/s) >> ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 >> >> Checksum OK for squid2.3/squid-2.3.STABLE2-src.tar.gz. >> >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch. >> >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch. >> Make sure the Makefile and md5 file (/usr/ports/www/squid23/files/md5) >> are up to date. If you want to override this check, type >> "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". >> >> and If I NO_CHECKSUM=YES, I get: >> >> [1:5:305]root@katana:/usr/ports/www/squid23> make NO_CHECKSUM=YES install >> ===> Extracting for squid-2.3 >> ===> Patching for squid-2.3 >> ===> Applying distribution patches for squid-2.3 >> File to patch: >> >> Dave. > > >-- >Jarrod Sayers (jarrod@nutt.net.au) > >"Allow me a second, ma'am. Just cross-filing that story under 'B' for >blackmail, and 'A', for anecdote; sub-category 'S' for 'so funny you'll >laugh till you're sick!'. > (Kryten, Red Dwarf - Duct Soup) > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N Bank of Hawaii Tech Support art@pilikia.hi.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 11:24:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3672A37C05F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.71] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id aa745368 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:24:23 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: J McKitrick , Kenny Drobnack Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:23:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20000406160852.C29665@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20000406160852.C29665@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040614242300.00423@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > There is a known issue with parallel port zips and 4.0 right now. It is > being checked out. > > Is this a laptop or a desktop machine? What is the issue? Mine seems to be working fine. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13: 8:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5CD37BA6E; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA82547; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Art Neilson, WH7N" Cc: Jarrod , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: squid port broken in the future. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000406081829.0091a720@pilikia.hi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Art Neilson, WH7N wrote: > >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-EOF_in_cf.data.pre.patch. > >> Checksum mismatch for squid2.3/squid-2.3.stable2-USE_DNSSERVER.patch. One of you needs to submit a PR to the squid maintainer. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13:22:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A6237BBD4 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30555 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:26:21 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:22:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:21:49 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, a pissing contest. Inserting hard carriage returns at every 80 characters (right hand margin) = is neither a standard nor a requirement. Please be kind enough to point = me and the rest of this mailing list to a FAQ or an RFC that specifies = that carriage returns MUST be used. That way the Mailing List Police can = directly quote the text to those of us "nonconformists". wrapmargin=3D0 I am sure you have seen this in your .exrc file. Be kind = enough to explain to me why vi has set as a default NOT to insert carriage = returns at the right margin. We can then deduce form your tag quote that = Microsoft has somehow taken over vi and force upon them a dreaded and = feared Microsoft standard. =20 And while I have already mentioned Microsoft standard!?!?!? Try Palm = Pilot, GroupWise (Novell) e-mail server, GroupWise Web e-mail interface = and GroupWise client (local and remote). Isn't it amazing what you can = get to run on a BSD box. With Novell opening up their NDS it will only = get better. We could be seeing NDS for BSD real soon. There is already = E-directory (NDS lite) for Linux. David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 >>> "Chad R. Larson" 04/05 5:24 PM >>> As I recall, David Nixon wrote, in paragraphs each one line long (wrapped by me, free of charge): +--------------- | Being a regular on several Usenet groups (I have honestly never been | nominated for Kook of the Month) and mailing lists, I later got public | requests from individuals to please format my text (insert hard | carriage returns) because the text was running off their screens and | they had to scroll to the right quite a distance to read. +--------------- Which you obviously still ignore. +--------------- | 2. Add me and all the other posting unformatted text (attachments in | your case) to your kill file. +--------------- A reasonable option. Of course, you took the time to post for some reason, and now you're suggesting folks should ignore your efforts. Why not get ahead of the game and not bother posting, instead. +--------------- | 3. Learn how to properly use your software. +--------------- Even better advice. Take it. Turn on word wrapping in whatever tool and/or editor you're using. There are standards for such things. Just because Microsoft chooses to ignore them doesn't mean you should. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net =20 DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13:22:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A834B37BB59 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30557 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:26:21 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:22:04 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:21:55 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are correct, McAfee doesn't catch everything but they are one of the = best for timely distributing virus signature updates. We have an employee = here that almost on a daily basis is pushing out dat files to users = (Windows) desktops and to the servers. Do you think most home users check = for updates on a daily basis? Weekly? Microsoft has fed this explosion of virus creation. Everyone should = personally write a letter to Bill thanking him. I know the PC virus scan = companies are thanking him every time a company signs a contract for a = maintenance agreement. There was an article on /. a couple days ago = (March 27) going over the paradigm why viruses are so successful against = Windows versus Linux. It blushes with the basic concept of file permission= s. Windows is so lax that you are given basically the equivalent of a = *nix root account. Would you give a user that barely knows how to insert = and remove a disk for a floppy drive a root equivalent account? Viruses = creators play on this. Then you get a suite of Microsoft products that = are integrated right into the OS, and you have a virus breeding ground and = a ripe target for the picking. How could any delinquent pass up the = opportunity to take advantage of the situation? Lets move on to your main phobia of attachments. I attach a HTML page on = the end of this message to redirect your Outlook (which has IE integrated = right into it) to a web page I have setup on one of the many free web = hosting services out there. Maybe a little hostile ActiveX to load a = customized version of BO2K on your Windows machine. But wait, it even = gets better. I don't even bother with the html attachment, I stick the = calls for the ActiveX right in the body of the message. Since Microsoft = has been kind enough to integrate a web browser right into their OS, = Outlook will launch the ActiveX by default. Now, be sure to thank Bill = for this innovative feature in that letter you send him. Computer security is not about having an air tight system. Computer = security is about managing risk. How one person manages risk may be = totally different from how another person does. For example: what is more = important? Protecting the vault in the bank, or protecting the whole = town? Do you back up your whole system to tape, CD, whatever, or do you = just back up the data you create? You need to come to some conclusions to = what level of risk is acceptable for you. You also need to weigh the = positive and negative of that decision. Keep in mind that a system that = is so secure that it hinders the users productivity is least apt to be = used and followed. It is highly unlikely that people will stop sending = e-mail attachments to satisfy your personal security concerns. My suggestion is to drop Outlook and go for a Windows e-mail reader that = is not integrated into the OS. There are several free products out there = that are excellent. I have used Forte Agent in the past and liked the = integration of e-mail and Usenet reader in one. My co-worker and = significant other both like Endora's products (coincidentally, they both = like using pine in the *nix world). Endora has a similar feel to Forte's = Agent but no Usenet features. I have heard good things about Pegasus. = Big pluses are ease of integrating PGP into each of these products. =20 Why don't people still send e-mails in the clear? Quite simple the times = 'd are a changing. Lets take a real world example. If you are in the = Government contract business than you might be familiar with some of the = requirement for submitting proposals. One of those new requirements would = be the migration from accepting production printed proposals to electronic = format. That could mean submitting a proposal on a ZIP disk, CD ROM, to = e-mail. I don't know about you but I don't recommend sending proprietary = company information in the clear through e-mail. Proposals generally = comprise multiple files. That means those dreaded attachments. Then you = have people that have adopt the modern Government requirement to their = everyday use. After all, if the USA government is requiring it then it = must be a standard, right? David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 >>> "Southwell" 04/05/00 06:05PM >>> David Nixon said: > That being said (typed), why are you not using an automated e-mail virus scanner? David S Comments: I am - but having, I am sad to say, in my working life long experience = (now just over 40 years) in IT learnt that the crazy guys that like to write/distribute virus`s are currently real keen to find ways of getting round virus protection systems - including McAfee --the lastest version of which which I run on my machine. The guys that do this are real genius`s = at what they do and someone somewhere will no doubt find a way.. if we get complacent then we will suffer the consequencies.. Having been caught out once myself - true about five years ago, with a = virus attached to an email- which was not detected by a virus detector - I am = left believing that a gram of prevention is worth a ton of cure.. Secondly why use an attachment when it is just as easy to paste text directly into your email? .. I mean attachment are fine for subsidiary documents but surely unnecessary for the main message body? Thirdly why discourtesy force people to have to open attachments when the standard method (and always has been since uucp days) has been to send emails in the clear? Anyway that is my view on the matter but I do not want the discussion to = be blown up out of all proportion..it is not that significant - I made a request - if the one or two odd balls that post exclusively using attachments want to carry on doing so - it is their choice - likewise it = is my choice to bin emails that comprise only attachments.. Basically noone should rely on virus protection programs - by definition they can only deal with known viruses and or known virus techniques.. david S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13:29:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE3C37B943 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 99c8f334c649856e3f2cdadc4054e412) with ESMTP id <20000406202759.ZDUP15447.relay02@chello.nl>; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:27:59 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02251; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:28:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:28:20 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, chad@mantech.com Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406222820.B2208@yedi.wbnet> Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from david.nixon@mantech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:21:49PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can we please take this ^&%*^&% thread to -chat or wherever? Thank you... -- Wilko Bulte Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org http://www.tcja.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13:54:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF3037B8AF for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C06711C4A; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:54:08 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: Jim Weeks Cc: Warner Losh , Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Message-ID: <20000406165408.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200004052059.OAA84088@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jim@siteplus.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 11:05:25AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 11:05:25AM -0400, Jim Weeks wrote: > > Someone, likely me, needs to finish up about 20 lines of code to make > > it possible to map the cis in the drivers. Once that is done, it will > > be trivial to get xe working. > > > Well then. Whats the hold up? ;> Time wasted due to reading/replying to silly mail. ;-> -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 13:58:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629CC37BBD4 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02441; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA93075; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004062057.OAA93075@harmony.village.org> To: Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Cc: Jim Weeks , Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:54:08 EDT." <20000406165408.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000406165408.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> <200004052059.OAA84088@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:57:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000406165408.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> Bill Fumerola writes: : Time wasted due to reading/replying to silly mail. ;-> Me. Waste time with silly email. Never ;-] Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 14: 2:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A3037C184 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12dJPc-0006XY-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:02:00 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31805; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:01:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:01:59 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Walter Brameld Cc: Kenny Drobnack , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Message-ID: <20000406220159.A31754@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000406160852.C29665@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <00040614242300.00423@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00040614242300.00423@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain>; from brameld@twave.net on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 02:23:51PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 02:23:51PM -0400, Walter Brameld wrote: > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > > There is a known issue with parallel port zips and 4.0 right now. It is > > being checked out. > > > > Is this a laptop or a desktop machine? > > What is the issue? Mine seems to be working fine. Are you running a parallel port zip drive with a laptop under 4.0? If so, please get in contact with n_hibma@freebsd.org because you are the only one i know whose zip works. As for the rest of us, vpo times out and cannot connect with the zip drive during boot-up. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 14:34:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE05F37C13D for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115231>; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:34:33 +1000 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Netscape pegs CPU on XServer kill In-reply-to: <200004061220.IAA85350@rtfm.newton>; from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 10:21:01PM +1000 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Apr7.073433est.115231@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <00Apr6.093519est.115207@border.alcanet.com.au> <200004061220.IAA85350@rtfm.newton> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:34:32 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Apr-06 22:21:01 +1000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >Peter Jeremy once stated: >=The ports installation process makes /usr/local/bin/netscape a small >=shellscript which sets a couple of environment variables, turns off >=core dumps (ulimit -c 0) and then exec's the netscape binary. This >=means you won't find any droppings lying around. > >Yeah, but it used to be, it would not even say '(core dumped)' if there >was not one. Now it will say that even if no dump was made. Kind of >misleading, although, I'm sure there is some reason for it. This was done as part of PR kern/14540, committed in /sys/kern/kern_sig.c 1.68 (30th October 1999) and 1.53.2.6 (22nd November 1999). This PR changed the behaviour where the core image would be larger than the processes RLIMIT_CORE. Previously a corefile would not be created at all, now the corefile is truncated to RLIMIT_CORE. If RLIMIT_CORE is zero, then no core file is created, but coredump() returns success - leading to the `core dumped' message. Presumably, the lower-level function (p->p_sysent->sv_coredump()) used to return an error when the core file was truncated (I haven't chased that function down). I agree, this behaviour is somewhat counter-intuitive. Maybe it deserves a PR to change it. Feel free to submit one. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 14:36:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C81337C1F1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12dJx3-00089A-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:33 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32001; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:32 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, chad@mantech.com Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406223632.E31754@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from david.nixon@mantech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:21:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:21:49PM -0400, David Nixon wrote: > And while I have already mentioned Microsoft standard!?!?!? Try Palm Pilot, GroupWise (Novell) e-mail server, GroupWise Web e-mail interface and GroupWise client (local and remote). Isn't it amazing what you can get to run on a BSD box. With Novell opening up their NDS it will only get better. We could be seeing NDS for BSD real soon. There is already E-directory (NDS lite) for Linux. Does this mean BSD is at the heart of Palpilot? I've heard this but was never sure. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 14:43:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falla.videotron.net (falla.videotron.net [205.151.222.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C11437BFA5 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luc_m@videotron.ca) Received: from southpark ([24.201.143.83]) by falla.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.12.14.10.29.p8) with SMTP id <0FSM00DIF6TVW3@falla.videotron.net> for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:38:46 -0400 From: Luc Morin Subject: Re: mounting ad0 To: Brennan W Stehling Cc: stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <001901bfa010$7d5979c0$538fc918@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: mounting ad0 > > [ On Thursday, April 6, Brennan W Stehling wrote: ] > > > I have successfully installed FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE (RELENG_4) onto a SCSI > > > drive and would like to get the IDE drive to mount for extra storage > > > space. I have been trying to use /stand/sysinstall to label the disk and > > > for newfs settings, but when I try to mount something like /dev/ad0s1e it > > > complains the the device is not configured. > > > > > > I have already ran the following commands. > > > > > > cd /dev > > > sh MAKEDEV all > > > sh MAKEDEV ad0 > > > sh MAKEDEV ad0s1a > > > > > > Then I run the command... > > > > > > mount /dev/ad0s1e /export > > > > > > And the ouput is... > > > > > > mount: Device not Configured > > Make sure you have the good version of MAKEDEV in /dev. This happened to me after upgrading from 3.X to 4.0. I had forgotten to update that file (tho I'm sure I'd ran mergemaster). The result was that MAKEDEV didn't create the ad nodes with the proper major/minor. Regards, Luc Morin mailto:luc_m@videotron.ca Electrical Engineering Technologist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE8B37BFE9 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from d1o90.telia.com (root@d1o90.telia.com [195.67.216.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00100; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from stordatan.telia.com (t4o90p93.telia.com [195.67.217.213]) by d1o90.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04209; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:13:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from partitur.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stordatan.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA84388; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:13:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Message-ID: <38ED0C0B.124AB415@partitur.se> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:13:31 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ATA and UDMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! i read the thead a while back on udma. here's something pretty strange. I have two disk, each on a separate channel. Same controller (a rather old intel server board, running with one (out of two possible) pentium pro. The two disk are identical, bought together, and I use vinum with them, so the load should be about the same. What happens is, after booting. the second drive give timeouts, and at the end the system degradese it (fallback to PIO mode). Hence, a sysctl hw.atamodes give "dma,---,pio,---". Now, the disk are identical. After this initial boot problem, not much has happened. I have done a number of buildworlds on the machine to stress it, and it seems to be running fine. Just for sports (this machine is not important to me at the moment :) I tried to force the second drive back to dma, and it immediately locked up so much that I had a hard time getting pio back due to system freezes (at least for remote usage :). It never went down, though, just spitted out many timeout messages. I have set both drives to pio for now... Here's some lines from the dmesg: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ... ad0: 9641MB [19590/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 ad1: 9641MB [19590/16/63] at ata1-master using WDMA2 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a vinum: loaded de0: enabling 100baseTX port ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ad1: trying fallback to PIO mode ata1: resetting devices .. done Has anyone been able to shed light on this bug? Is there any other way, apart from sysctl, to force pio until it is fixed? Cheers! Palle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:28:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB9637C189 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA1DC5D92; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:28:42 -0700 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Message-ID: <20000406152842.A322@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.0-RELEASE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (7% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 3:17PM up 13 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.03, 0.09, 0.06 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I seem to be rebooting a lot these days since I moved my Test/Workstation to 4.0. The machine never had a rebooting instantaneously under 3.4-STABLE Here is the Hardware Celeron 300a Abit BH-6 64Megs of Ram Sybios 875 UW SCSI wide controller es1370 Audio PCI Sound Card Aopen 48Speed IDE CDrom The CDROM runs off the Primary Controller master channel nad the rest of the system is on the Sybios controller. I am using the sym driver for the SCSI controller. Any ideas. I am at a loss. TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't talk about yourself so much. We'll do that when you leave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:31:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6A337BBE2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e36MvMa22936; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:22 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Message-ID: <20000406155721.I22104@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000406152842.A322@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000406152842.A322@lunatic.oneinsane.net>; from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:28:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson [000406 15:55] wrote: > I seem to be rebooting a lot these days since I moved my > Test/Workstation to 4.0. The machine never had a rebooting > instantaneously under 3.4-STABLE > > Here is the Hardware > > Celeron 300a > Abit BH-6 > 64Megs of Ram > Sybios 875 UW SCSI wide controller > es1370 Audio PCI Sound Card > Aopen 48Speed IDE CDrom > > The CDROM runs off the Primary Controller master channel nad the rest of > the system is on the Sybios controller. I am using the sym driver for > the SCSI controller. Any ideas. I am at a loss. Any chance you can furnish us with a crashdump or some way to reproduce this? -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:32: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.jeah.net (shell.jeah.net [216.114.10.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A214B37C1F1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@shell.jeah.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by shell.jeah.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28038 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200004062231.RAA28038@shell.jeah.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Uh, does it like, warn you before it reboots.. or do you mean you have to reboot it a lot? Can you elaborate, in other words? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:38:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D0D37BC4E for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01891 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:42:40 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:38:22 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:38:10 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not that I know of, but you can run Linux on a Palm Pilot (if you have = enough memory). I have the URL for the Linux port and if that fails I have the package = archived. If anyone is interested, feel free to e-mail directly. David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 >>> J McKitrick 04/06/00 05:36PM >>> Does this mean BSD is at the heart of Palpilot? I've heard this but was never sure. jm --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F237BB91 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for stable@freebsd.org id 12dKyh-000IPS-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:42:19 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32468 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:42:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:42:19 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: stable Subject: probing delay during bootup Message-ID: <20000406234219.B32398@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I remember under 3.x there was a probe for a second ide drive during the boot that could be removed by commenting out that drive in the config. I've noticed 4.0 oes something similar, but i'm not sure which entry it is. It lookslike they are all needed. Is there any way to remove this probe and shorten the boot time? I'm running on a laptop, so all i have is one HD and a CDROM. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:47:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.160.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411C437C13E; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ibex@emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE) Received: (from ibex@localhost) by emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA66069; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:47:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ibex) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:47:32 +0200 From: Dirk Froemberg To: Thimble Smith Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: please help - thread-safe mysql client link problem Message-ID: <20000407004732.C65692@physik.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <20000331080352.G76293@threads.polyesthetic.msg> <20000331205728.B15870@threads.polyesthetic.msg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000331205728.B15870@threads.polyesthetic.msg>; from tim@mysql.com on Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 08:57:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Thimble! On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 08:57:28PM -0500, Thimble Smith wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 11:58:51AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Thimble Smith wrote: > >> The port doesn't have an option for building a thread-safe client, > >> either (unless it's hidden somewhere that I didn't see it). > > > >It uses the same options as the server makefile, so > >'make NATIVE_THREADS=1 all install clean' should work for the client or > >the server. > > MySQL doesn't make thread-safe client libs unless you pass the > --enable-thread-safe-client flag to configure. Here'a a patch > to mysql322-server/Makefile that will cause this to happen if > THREAD_SAFE_CLIENT is set in the environment: > > [patch] > > I'm not super-familiar with the ports structure, so I may have > botched something. Dirk, if this looks okay (or can be salvaged > into something that is okay), could you commit it? Thanks for the patch. Looks good... But it'll last a few days before I can test if there are any side-effects... Regards Dirk -- Dirk Froemberg FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:51:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mission.mvnc.edu (mission.mvnc.edu [149.143.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E275D37B515 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu) Received: from localhost (kdrobnac@localhost) by mission.mvnc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21297; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Drobnack To: Walter Brameld Cc: J McKitrick , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <00040614242300.00423@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could you please send a copy of your kernel config file? I've tried and tried, and cannot get the parallel port zip to work at all. I've double and triple and even quadruple check, and all my settings match up with what LINT seems to say they should be. Once I figure out what you're doing different from me, I can post what I was doing wrong to the GNATS page. Just to be sure, you are talking about 4.0-RELEASE, right? > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > > There is a known issue with parallel port zips and 4.0 right now. It is > > being checked out. > > > > Is this a laptop or a desktop machine? > > What is the issue? Mine seems to be working fine. > > -- > Walter Brameld > > Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? > Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? > BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? > Walter: And what does THIS button do?? > > ----- In computer terms, hardware is the stuff you can hit with a baseball bat, and software is the stuff you can only swear at. -from a web page explaining what hardware, software, and firmware are ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:56: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A191137BEF3 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12dJn9-0006cs-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:26:19 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12dJn9-000M3l-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:26:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:26:19 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406222619.B4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000406221108.A4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000406221108.A4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > - Don't run off the end of a line and simply let the terminal wrap; > use a Carriage Return (CR) at the end of the line. Also, don't oops, that bit's about "talk", not mail. That's what you get for searching for "wrap" on not checking context. There is similar advice about mail though: - Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a carriage return. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 15:56: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DEB37C1B6 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12dJYS-0006c8-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:11:08 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12dJYS-000Jpu-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:11:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:11:08 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406221108.A4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Nixon wrote: > Oh, a pissing contest. Yes, you do seem to have started one, unfornately. Do try not to do it again. > Inserting hard carriage returns at every 80 characters (right hand > margin) is neither a standard nor a requirement. Sigh. Who said it was either? It's just common sense. Shorter lines are easier to read. Do you think newspapers print their articles in multiple columns just for fun? Anyway, read this extract from RFC 1855 and shut up: - Don't run off the end of a line and simply let the terminal wrap; use a Carriage Return (CR) at the end of the line. Also, don't assume your screen size is the same as everyone else's. A good rule of thumb is to write out no more than 70 characters, and no more than 12 lines (since you're using a split screen). Is that good enough? > Be kind enough to explain to me why vi has set as a default NOT to > insert carriage returns at the right margin. Vi is used for things other than writing mail, did that ever occur to you? Line wrapping in configuration files and such is a pain. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16: 0:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mission.mvnc.edu (mission.mvnc.edu [149.143.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13C537BA79 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu) Received: from localhost (kdrobnac@localhost) by mission.mvnc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22675; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Drobnack To: J McKitrick Cc: Walter Brameld , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20000406220159.A31754@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know if this is relevant, but does it actually make a difference if its on a laptop or desktop? I figured a parallel port is a parallel port. Or do they have a slightly different configuration? > On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 02:23:51PM -0400, Walter Brameld wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > > > There is a known issue with parallel port zips and 4.0 right now. It is > > > being checked out. > > > > > > Is this a laptop or a desktop machine? > > > > What is the issue? Mine seems to be working fine. > > Are you running a parallel port zip drive with a laptop under 4.0? If so, > please get in contact with n_hibma@freebsd.org because you are the only one > i know whose zip works. > > > As for the rest of us, vpo times out and cannot connect with the zip drive > during boot-up. > > jm > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: > "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. > Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- In computer terms, hardware is the stuff you can hit with a baseball bat, and software is the stuff you can only swear at. -from a web page explaining what hardware, software, and firmware are ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16: 3:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B9D37BA30 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03192; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA94322; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004062302.RAA94322@harmony.village.org> To: "David Nixon" Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Cc: jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:38:10 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:02:35 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "David Nixon" writes: : Not that I know of, but you can run Linux on a Palm Pilot (if you : have enough memory). You can run NetBSD/hpcmips on any of the machines listed on my mips based PDAs fairly well. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16: 3:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350B437C1B5 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from host-216-78-4-205.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-4-205.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.4.205]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id SAA14008; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Warner Losh Cc: Bill Fumerola , Jim Weeks , Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia In-Reply-To: <200004062057.OAA93075@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Me. Waste time with silly email. Never ;-] > > Warner > Try #grep -R "sleep" * I think it has been deprecated in 4.0 ;{) Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16: 4:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D224237C286 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boshea@ricochet.net) Received: from beastie.localdomain ([24.19.158.41]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000406230415.WOUC7652.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@beastie.localdomain>; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:15 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by beastie.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA45315; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:13:43 -0700 From: "Brian O'Shea" To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Message-ID: <20000406161343.Z330@beastie.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000406152842.A322@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000406152842.A322@lunatic.oneinsane.net>; from Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:28:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:28:42PM -0700, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > I seem to be rebooting a lot these days since I moved my > Test/Workstation to 4.0. The machine never had a rebooting > instantaneously under 3.4-STABLE Are you getting a panic, or is it just rebooting spontaneously without any messages? Could you send us your kernel config file, the output from dmesg, and a general description of the kind of work that this machine is doing? If it's a panic, also send the panic string plus any other output that is dumped to the console at the time of the panic. Regards, -brian > > Here is the Hardware > > Celeron 300a > Abit BH-6 > 64Megs of Ram > Sybios 875 UW SCSI wide controller > es1370 Audio PCI Sound Card > Aopen 48Speed IDE CDrom > > The CDROM runs off the Primary Controller master channel nad the rest of > the system is on the Sybios controller. I am using the sym driver for > the SCSI controller. Any ideas. I am at a loss. > > TIA > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... > The InSaNe One rm -rf * > insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't talk about yourself so much. We'll do that when you leave. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Brian O'Shea boshea@ricochet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16: 8:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7237BC66 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03221; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA94387; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004062307.RAA94387@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Weeks Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia Cc: Bill Fumerola , Jim Weeks , Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:00:02 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:07:56 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jim Weeks writes: : > Me. Waste time with silly email. Never ;-] : > : > Warner : > : Try #grep -R "sleep" * : : I think it has been deprecated in 4.0 ;{) Well, the new interface is usleep, which is 1000 times finer grained, so that means we now get 3 orders of magnitude of sleep. I guess we really should resist implementing nsleep in userland :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16:37:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D9937B79C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from host-216-78-4-205.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-4-205.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.4.205]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id TAA18624; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Warner Losh Cc: Bill Fumerola , Jim Weeks , Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 and xircom pcmcia In-Reply-To: <200004062307.RAA94387@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Well, the new interface is usleep, which is 1000 times finer grained, > so that means we now get 3 orders of magnitude of sleep. I guess we > really should resist implementing nsleep in userland :-) > > Warner > OK, I give! Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16:39:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E643E37BA30 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11702; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:44:24 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, chad@mantech.com Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406194424.C11532@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from david.nixon@mantech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:23:15PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Nixon had the audacity to say: >=20 > Oh, a pissing contest. >=20 indeed. Well, Mr. Nixon, thanks to vi+par, in two keystrokes, I managed to reformat all of your hideos paragraphs and keep the quoting. How do you like that, eh? You see, the long line of text typically gets wrapped around the quoting ( or are you used to the nice little solid line and indentation that Netscape or Outlook place the quotation in?) properly! > Inserting hard carriage returns at every 80 characters (right hand > margin) is neither a standard nor a requirement. Please be kind > enough to point me and the rest of this mailing list to a FAQ or > an RFC that specifies that carriage returns MUST be used. That way > the Mailing List Police can directly quote the text to those of us > "nonconformists". It's a rather unspoken rule that has been followed by everyone up until the new gaggle of HTML emailers that obviously don't give a rats ass what your mail looks like under and other mailer. It's kind of like turning off the bold colon in IRC. > wrapmargin=3D0 I am sure you have seen this in your .exrc file. Be kind > enough to explain to me why vi has set as a default NOT to insert > carriage returns at the right margin. We can then deduce form your tag > quote that Microsoft has somehow taken over vi and force upon them a > dreaded and feared Microsoft standard. > Well, since you are obviously full of shit, vi doesn't auto wrap because that was how it was designed to run on the old VT's. Older versions of vi didn't have things like large multi-line displays and such. Auto word wrap was neither a concern or a help back then, it would have messed up the output on some of those old terminals. > And while I have already mentioned Microsoft standard!?!?!? Try > Palm Pilot, GroupWise (Novell) e-mail server, GroupWise Web e-mail > interface and GroupWise client (local and remote). Isn't it amazing > what you can get to run on a BSD box. With Novell opening up their NDS > it will only get better. We could be seeing NDS for BSD real soon. > There is already E-directory (NDS lite) for Linux. > I really don't get why you put this here, unless you are expecting to get some sort of reward for pitching this to us. I never really considered using Novell NDS, and don't really see the point in using it, or E-directory for that matter, under a unix system except to work with Novell software. If I set up a network, I'd probably replace Novell boxen with FreeBSD workstations/servers. If they really, really wanted some sort of mountable connectivity and authentication for their Windows (ugh!) boxes, then I would probably put samba on there. Problem with Novell is that they want you to take all these expensive classes to be "qualified" to work on their software. In high school, we had two CNA's who had no concept of what the internet really was, the existence of unix, or that a PC could even run something other than Windows. One of them, who kicked me out of her computer for being a "dirty hacker" because I opened MS Word from the start menu rather than the icon on the desktop, told me that DOS was in the computer's system. I laughed at her and walked away. Because of this, I have considered the CNA to be a monkey certificate, and don't really trust anything novell makes based on the fact= that they certify morons for their software. -- --cokane > > David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. > www.ManTech.com > --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE47SFXERViMObJ880RASuNAJ43V1u3axWklj16s3iFp8B7cOm7qQCgvvCn k3Gw96rpisc0L+by4tSkrF8= =RaPn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 16:45:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E267037BAC0 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11713; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:48:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:48:53 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: David Nixon Cc: jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406194853.D11532@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from david.nixon@mantech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 06:40:49PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard of netbsd running as well. --cokane David Nixon had the audacity to say: >=20 > Not that I know of, but you can run Linux on a Palm Pilot (if you have en= ough memory). >=20 > I have the URL for the Linux port and if that fails I have the package ar= chived. If anyone is interested, feel free to e-mail directly. >=20 >=20 > David A. Nixon > Network Security Engineer > ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 >=20 >=20 > >>> J McKitrick 04/06/00 05:36PM >>> > >=20 > Does this mean BSD is at the heart of Palpilot? I've heard this but was > never sure. >=20 --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE47SJlERViMObJ880RAScgAKCNWOhePMhQKJvn2+MH1Bif9tDrrQCgiLcS FiYMQVRYYJNTsuQKPggs54Y= =VWUk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 17: 4:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from weeble.dyndns.org (ubppp234-123.dialin.buffalo.edu [128.205.234.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35F237B83C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) Received: from shithead (shithead.weeble.dyndns.org [10.0.0.2]) by weeble.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA72690; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:03:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) From: "C J Michaels" To: "Palle Girgensohn" Cc: Subject: RE: ATA and UDMA Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFA002.CC10E020"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature" In-Reply-To: <38ED0C0B.124AB415@partitur.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFA002.CC10E020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a similar problem. I don't know if this will apply to you at all but maybe it'll help. 1. System bios has drive listed as LBA. 2. Dangeriously dedicated disk. The sytem would lock up and report a good number of those errors listed below. Timeouts and resets. Well, after cvsupping and making world a couple times it started complaining about an timeout error reading a block, and it was a block near the end of the drive. Also, I'd like to note that where there's a BSD slice at the begining of the drive, the BIOS never detects it right. So... I wiped the disk and the mbr. Explicitly set the drive to large in the bios. Re-installed and all my errors went away, using UDMA w/o any troubles at all. I dunno if this applies to you at all, but I thought I'd make the post. Just my 2 cents, -- Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Palle Girgensohn Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:14 PM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATA and UDMA Hi! i read the thead a while back on udma. here's something pretty strange. I have two disk, each on a separate channel. Same controller (a rather old intel server board, running with one (out of two possible) pentium pro. The two disk are identical, bought together, and I use vinum with them, so the load should be about the same. What happens is, after booting. the second drive give timeouts, and at the end the system degradese it (fallback to PIO mode). Hence, a sysctl hw.atamodes give "dma,---,pio,---". Now, the disk are identical. After this initial boot problem, not much has happened. I have done a number of buildworlds on the machine to stress it, and it seems to be running fine. Just for sports (this machine is not important to me at the moment:) I tried to force the second drive back to dma, and it immediately locked up so much that I had a hard time getting pio back due to system freezes (at least for remote usage :). It never went down, though, just spitted out many timeout messages. I have set both drives to pio for now... Here's some lines from the dmesg: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ... ad0: 9641MB [19590/16/63] at ata0-master using WDMA2 ad1: 9641MB [19590/16/63] at ata1-master using WDMA2 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a vinum: loaded de0: enabling 100baseTX port ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done ad1: READ command timeout - resetting ata1-master: WARNING: WAIT_READY active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA ad1: trying fallback to PIO mode ata1: resetting devices .. done Has anyone been able to shed light on this bug? Is there any other way, apart from sysctl, to force pio until it is fixed? Cheers! 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Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, This entire stream of random thought has nothing to do with -stable. It is an irrelevant thread which belongs, if anywhere, in -chat. Please end it now. You will not be asked again. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 17:51:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E6637BFC1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12dMzm-000Fce-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:51:34 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA33396; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:51:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:51:33 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Kenny Drobnack Cc: Walter Brameld , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Message-ID: <20000407015133.A33356@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000406220159.A31754@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 06:56:38PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 06:56:38PM -0400, Kenny Drobnack wrote: > I don't know if this is relevant, but does it actually make a difference > if its on a laptop or desktop? I figured a parallel port is a parallel > port. Or do they have a slightly different configuration? Apparently, they are different enough. Not sure why, but it matters. Maybe has to do with PCMCIA, or something like that. And there is no config that fixes it rightnow, it is broken. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 17:55:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E699A37B918 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04379 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:59:20 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:55:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:54:42 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am replying to both e-mails (second appended to tail) you sent because = it is pointless to write the same e-mail response twice. You were sooooo close but you miss some important academic research. The first being that this is not a Talk session. That invalidates your = first reference to RFC 1855. Your second e-mail was close but you missed the Introduction to RFC 1855. = I shall quote the relevant line. "In order to bring these new users into the Internet culture quickly, this = Guide offers a minimum set of behaviors which organizations and individuals= may take and adapt for their own use." I want to draw your attention to one very important word in that sentence: = *may*. If you had done your research then you would have also looked up = RFC 2119 "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels". You = might have done well to look up the definition to *may* and the adjective = it equates. Please note that RFC 2119 is also BCP 14. BCP's are a little = further up the totem pole than the informational purposes of RFC's. You = also have STD's and FYI's. Note that RFC 1855 is FYI 28. Now back to your first e-mail. I mentioned the setting for vi in response = to Chad R. Larson's e-mail. He specifically mentioned that he used vi for = e-mail in a previous e-mail. If you go back and reread his message then = you might realize why I mentioned it. I honestly ask, does Chad Larson = change that setting for e-mail then change it back for other vi uses? If = not, then he and everyone else who does not format their text at less that = 65 characters are guilty of violating RFC 1855 (as you have quoted this = group). Oh wait a minute, this just in. The lab has just come back with it's = analysis. multiple columns just for fun? Anyway, read this extract from RFC 1855 = and ***************************************************************************= Count the splats. This line appears in Ben Smithurst's message below. = How many characters per line? Hypocritical..... Welcome to the guilty. David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com >>> Ben Smithurst 04/06/00 05:11PM >>> David Nixon wrote: > Oh, a pissing contest. Yes, you do seem to have started one, unfornately. Do try not to do it again. > Inserting hard carriage returns at every 80 characters (right hand > margin) is neither a standard nor a requirement. Sigh. Who said it was either? It's just common sense. Shorter lines are easier to read. Do you think newspapers print their articles in multiple columns just for fun? Anyway, read this extract from RFC 1855 = and shut up: - Don't run off the end of a line and simply let the terminal wrap; use a Carriage Return (CR) at the end of the line. Also, don't assume your screen size is the same as everyone else's. A good rule of thumb is to write out no more than 70 characters, and no more than 12 lines (since you're using a split screen). Is that good enough? > Be kind enough to explain to me why vi has set as a default NOT to > insert carriage returns at the right margin. Vi is used for things other than writing mail, did that ever occur to you? Line wrapping in configuration files and such is a pain. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message _____________________ > - Don't run off the end of a line and simply let the terminal wrap; > use a Carriage Return (CR) at the end of the line. Also, don't oops, that bit's about "talk", not mail. That's what you get for searching for "wrap" on not checking context. There is similar advice about mail though: - Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a carriage return. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 18: 1:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tesla.salk.edu (tesla.salk.edu [198.202.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3392537B918; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorge@salk.edu) Received: from merckx.salk.edu (merckx.salk.edu [198.202.70.90]) by tesla.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13040; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Aldana To: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Cc: Paul Ganter , Jorge Aldana Subject: 3Com NIC PC-Card on 4.0-20000317-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On attempting to insert a 3Com Fast Ethernet PC-Card on an Isperion Dell portable with FreeBSD 4.0-Stable I get the following from pccardd when I insert my pc-card: No card in database for ""("") It does not identify it, has anyone seen this problem or know of a solution? I've copied the sample pccard.conf.sample to pccard.conf and started pccardd, I even added a "device 0x1 "ep0" 10" to the kernal config file as suggested in a previous attempt by someone to fix this, still same result. Also, added PC-Card support in the kernel, the network dongle LED's turn on but for both 10 and 100 base-t. Can anyone help! Jorge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 18: 8: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clark.mantech.com (clark.mantech.com [206.65.236.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828A837B636 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david.nixon@mantech.com) Received: from CORP-GW.mantech.com (corp-gw.mantech.com [206.65.236.37]) by clark.mantech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04669 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:12:20 -0400 Received: from GATEWAYS-Message_Server by CORP-GW.mantech.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:08:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:07:49 -0400 From: "David Nixon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If line length is an unspoken rule then someone needs to speak it. And = maybe you should check how many characters per line you are cranking out. To answer your personal assertions: no I am not a CNE or CNA, I am trained = in UNIX and NT security. The company here doesn't solely run on Novell. David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. www.ManTech.com=20 >>> Coleman Kane 04/06/00 07:44PM >>> David Nixon had the audacity to say: > Inserting hard carriage returns at every 80 characters (right hand > margin) is neither a standard nor a requirement. Please be kind > enough to point me and the rest of this mailing list to a FAQ or > an RFC that specifies that carriage returns MUST be used. That way > the Mailing List Police can directly quote the text to those of us > "nonconformists". It's a rather unspoken rule that has been followed by everyone up until the new gaggle of HTML emailers that obviously don't give a rats ass what your mail looks like under and other mailer. It's kind of like turning off the bold colon in IRC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 18:11:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4F237BFFA for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from d1o90.telia.com (d1o90.telia.com [195.67.216.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15067; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from stordatan.telia.com (t5o90p64.telia.com [213.64.7.64]) by d1o90.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02408; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from partitur.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stordatan.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA68777; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:10:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Message-ID: <38ED3590.D3B786E6@partitur.se> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:10:40 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: C J Michaels Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA and UDMA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG C J Michaels wrote: > > I had a similar problem. I don't know if this will apply to you at all > but maybe it'll help. > > 1. System bios has drive listed as LBA. I have to check BIOS. I'm not sure what it'll say; I'm running it remotely right now... > 2. Dangeriously dedicated disk. Hmmm... I don't use a dedicated disk (well I do, but "dangerously dedicated"; here's the disklabel): 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 128520 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 7) b: 321300 128520 swap # (Cyl. 8 - 27) c: 19746720 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1229*) f: 19296900 449820 vinum # (Cyl. 28 - 1229*) The odd thing is that both disk are completely identical in config etc. ... > So... I wiped the disk and the mbr. Explicitly set the drive to large in > the bios. Re-installed and all my errors went away, using UDMA w/o any > troubles at all. I dunno if this applies to you at all, but I thought I'd > make the post. Hmm... This might help, but I don't like the idea... Since I'm using vinum, I guess I *could* just wipe it out and then connect it and restore it inside vinum... $ sysctl hw.atamodes hw.atamodes: dma,---,pio,---, This seems to keep it stable... Odd... /Palle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 18:37:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from natsoft.com.au (natsoft.com.au [203.39.138.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDAF37BEED; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:37:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@natsoft.com.au) Received: from Win95.natsoft.com.au (Win95 [203.39.138.131]) by natsoft.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06432; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:40:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <38ED3A9A.748A@natsoft.com.au> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:32:10 +1000 From: Craig Wilson Organization: National Software Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jorge Aldana Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Paul Ganter Subject: Re: 3Com NIC PC-Card on 4.0-20000317-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had this problem with a Compaq Armada E700. The problem was due to the default memory address of 0xd0000, pccardd found the PCMIA card after changing the pccard_mem="DEFAULT" to pccard_mem="0xd4000" in rc.conf For some reason the system did not like the default of 0xd0000 I hope this helps. Craig Wilson National Software Pty Ltd Jorge Aldana wrote: > > On attempting to insert a 3Com Fast Ethernet PC-Card on an Isperion Dell > portable with FreeBSD 4.0-Stable I get the following from pccardd when I > insert my pc-card: > > No card in database for ""("") > > It does not identify it, has anyone seen this problem or know of a > solution? > I've copied the sample pccard.conf.sample to pccard.conf and started > pccardd, I even added a "device 0x1 "ep0" 10" to the kernal config file as > suggested in a previous attempt by someone to fix this, still same > result. Also, added PC-Card support in the kernel, the network dongle > LED's turn on but for both 10 and 100 base-t. > > Can anyone help! > > Jorge > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 19:54:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tesla.salk.edu (tesla.salk.edu [198.202.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0B437C208; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorge@salk.edu) Received: from merckx.salk.edu (merckx.salk.edu [198.202.70.90]) by tesla.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17187; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Aldana To: Craig Wilson Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Paul Ganter Subject: Re: 3Com NIC PC-Card on 4.0-20000317-STABLE In-Reply-To: <38ED3A9A.748A@natsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No luck, with the pccard_mem option in rc.conf, we still get the "","" identification. Jorge On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Craig Wilson wrote: > I had this problem with a Compaq Armada E700. > The problem was due to the default memory address of 0xd0000, > pccardd found the PCMIA card after changing the > pccard_mem="DEFAULT" to pccard_mem="0xd4000" in rc.conf > For some reason the system did not like the default of 0xd0000 > > I hope this helps. > > Craig Wilson > National Software Pty Ltd > > Jorge Aldana wrote: > > > > On attempting to insert a 3Com Fast Ethernet PC-Card on an Isperion Dell > > portable with FreeBSD 4.0-Stable I get the following from pccardd when I > > insert my pc-card: > > > > No card in database for ""("") > > > > It does not identify it, has anyone seen this problem or know of a > > solution? > > I've copied the sample pccard.conf.sample to pccard.conf and started > > pccardd, I even added a "device 0x1 "ep0" 10" to the kernal config file as > > suggested in a previous attempt by someone to fix this, still same > > result. Also, added PC-Card support in the kernel, the network dongle > > LED's turn on but for both 10 and 100 base-t. > > > > Can anyone help! > > > > Jorge > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 20: 7:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5AB37B62A; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:07:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04020; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA95791; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004070305.VAA95791@harmony.village.org> To: Jorge Aldana Subject: Re: 3Com NIC PC-Card on 4.0-20000317-STABLE Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Paul Ganter In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:01:12 PDT." References: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:05:57 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jorge Aldana writes: : On attempting to insert a 3Com Fast Ethernet PC-Card on an Isperion Dell : portable with FreeBSD 4.0-Stable I get the following from pccardd when I : insert my pc-card: What kind of card is this? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 20: 7:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AD237BFF1; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04025; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA95804; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004070306.VAA95804@harmony.village.org> To: Jorge Aldana Subject: Re: 3Com NIC PC-Card on 4.0-20000317-STABLE Cc: Craig Wilson , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Paul Ganter In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:54:34 PDT." References: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:06:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jorge Aldana writes: : No luck, with the pccard_mem option in rc.conf, we still get the "","" : identification. What's the card number? Is it the 574 or 575? The 574 works, while the 575 is cardbus and thus not supported yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 20: 9:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCF637C1CD for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04044; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA95868; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004070309.VAA95868@harmony.village.org> To: J McKitrick Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Cc: Kenny Drobnack , Walter Brameld , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2000 01:51:33 BST." <20000407015133.A33356@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000407015133.A33356@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000406220159.A31754@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:09:03 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000407015133.A33356@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: : Apparently, they are different enough. Not sure why, but it matters. Maybe : has to do with PCMCIA, or something like that. And there is no config that : fixes it rightnow, it is broken. Unless the pcic is using irq 7, I don't see how pcmcia could matter. Likely the laptop parallel ports have different settings based on the need to conserve power that need to be tweaked in the bios setup. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 20:46:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mission.mvnc.edu (mission.mvnc.edu [149.143.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80E037B77B for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu) Received: from localhost (kdrobnac@localhost) by mission.mvnc.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27930 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Drobnack To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200004070309.VAA95868@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter said that he got his Parallel Port Zip to work by changing the Parallel Port settings in the BIOS to EPP mode. It worked. You may want to try testing the same thing on laptops... > In message <20000407015133.A33356@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> J McKitrick writes: > : Apparently, they are different enough. Not sure why, but it matters. Maybe > : has to do with PCMCIA, or something like that. And there is no config that > : fixes it rightnow, it is broken. > > Unless the pcic is using irq 7, I don't see how pcmcia could matter. > Likely the laptop parallel ports have different settings based on the > need to conserve power that need to be tweaked in the bios setup. > > Warner > ----- In computer terms, hardware is the stuff you can hit with a baseball bat, and software is the stuff you can only swear at. -from a web page explaining what hardware, software, and firmware are ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 21:46:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249E837C078 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.66]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16731 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:43:52 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA77144; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:46:15 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:46:15 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200004070446.MAA77144@netrinsics.com> To: david.nixon@mantech.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Cc: chad@mantech.com In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Oh, a pissing contest. And not just any pissing contest. A pissing contest which is required reading for everyone who tracks or upgrades -STABLE. Because, as has been established in the other pissing contest, if you do either of the above without reading all the traffic in freebsd-stable, Bad Things will happen to you, and you'll get flamed when you come asking for help. Maybe we could append something to the footer message (which no one ever reads anyway, so it wouldn't hurt): >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Something like this: Notice: Please only send messages to freebsd-stable that you believe should be required reading for everyone using the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD. Just a suggestion. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 22:52: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EA337C237 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12881; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:57:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:57:16 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, cokane@one.net Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000407015716.A12854@cokane.yi.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from david.nixon@mantech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:08:02PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Nixon had the audacity to say: > > If line length is an unspoken rule then someone needs to speak it. And > maybe you should check how many characters per line you are cranking > out. > I'm cranking out about 70. > To answer your personal assertions: no I am not a CNE or CNA, I am > trained in UNIX and NT security. The company here doesn't solely run > on Novell. > Well alrgiht, I wasn't sure after you delved into the whole novell thing at the end. I really saw no relevance other than it might have been some expertise of yours or something. I am sure you have met those that flash their CNA/E's in front of you and know where I'm coming from then. > > David A. Nixon Network Security Engineer ManTech International Corp. > www.ManTech.com > -cokane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 23: 9:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5551037B963; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id BAA14434; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:57:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200004070557.BAA14434@account.abs.net> Subject: Re: Troubles with network & buffers.. Any Ideas?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000327160242.02248880@marble.sentex.ca> from Mike Tancsa at "Mar 27, 2000 04:02:42 pm" To: Mike Tancsa Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Thanks for the fast reply.. :) > > > > Needless to say the machine has been rebooted since the last time it > >died, but I'll try and keep an eye on it and next time it locks if I can > >get to the console I'll see if I can grab a snapshot at that time. If a > >current running snapshot is of any use just let me know.. > > > Perhaps just setup a cronjob... > > vmstat -m >> /var/log/vm.out > > But have a look at your busier times to see if the High Use is getting > dagerously close to the limit. Do you have a lot of aliased IPs on this > box by any chance ? As its an IRC server, its no doubt subject to various > attacks. Check to see if there is any ICMP funny business being blasted at > you like a few million ICMP redirects. ipfw and sysctl can be your friend > here. > > ---Mike Hello Mike, Sorry for the long delay on this, just had a million things pop up at work and was so tired by day end I just crashed. Anyway to try and shed some more light on the above, I have done a few interesting things over the past couple weeks to try and gather some more info on what is happening. Also as for ICMP issues, I not only have ICMP limited to 32K max in my Cisco router using CAR, but also have "options ICMP_BANDLIM" defined in the kernel, and enabled in my rc.conf to just be sure I am not getting hammered in that regard. Anyway here is what I have done, hopefully this may shed some useful information, and if not I tried.. :) First as mentioned previously I had an Intel EEpro card in the box running to my Cisco Catalyst switch, and on the console when everything fell apart and I lost connectivity, I see the following: fxp0: device timeout syslogd: sendto: No buffer space available Here is some of the requested debugging information: ifconfig: fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 207.114.4.35 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 207.114.4.47 inet 207.114.4.36 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.36 inet 207.114.4.45 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.45 inet 207.114.4.46 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.46 ether 00:a0:c9:c7:fb:ff media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP netstat -m: 403/21472/81920 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 259 mbufs allocated to data 144 mbufs allocated to packet headers 124/10652/20480 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 23988 Kbytes allocated to network (1% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines vmstat -m: Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 286 994 4581005 0 1280 32 179 36685 518690 0 640 64 14436 4380 1373135 0 320 128 1096 88 9883 0 160 256 13335 30569 317127 0 80 512 18 6 74806 0 40 1K 107 949 12272 0 20 2K 12 6 18478 0 10 4K 13 2 98260 0 5 8K 2 2 384331 0 5 16K 8 0 2689062 0 5 32K 3 0 1321506 0 5 64K 3 0 3 0 5 128K 3 0 3 0 5 256K 1 0 1 0 5 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 MD disk, kld, proc-args, atexit, temp, sysctl, bus, rman, soname, pcb, mount, vnodes, ether_multi, routetbl, p1003.1b, devbuf, isa_devlist, atkbddev 32 kld, sigio, proc-args, temp, pgrp, proc, subproc, sysctl, bus, eventhandler, SWAP, pcb, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, BPF, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, in_multi, tseg_qent, devbuf 64 file, proc-args, lockf, temp, session, subproc, bus, eventhandler, rman, pcb, vfscache, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, isadev, AD driver 128 ppbusdev, kld, timecounter, dev_t, proc-args, zombie, temp, cred, bus, ttys, soname, vfscache, cluster_save buffer, mount, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, ZONE, devbuf 256 file desc, proc-args, temp, subproc, bus, ttys, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, NFS daemon, FFS node, devbuf 512 kld, file desc, temp, bus, ioctlops, ptys, BIO buffer, mount, UFS mount, ATA generic, devbuf, isa_devlist 1K MD disk, kld, file desc, temp, proc, bus, ioctlops, BIO buffer, NQNFS Lease, AD driver, devbuf, isa_devlist 2K file desc, temp, bus, pcb, BIO buffer, UFS mount, devbuf 4K kld, file desc, temp, proc, devbuf, memdesc 8K kld, file desc, temp, UFS mount 16K file desc, temp, devbuf 32K file desc, temp, devbuf, mbuf 64K ISOFS mount, NFS hash, UFS ihash 128K temp, vfscache, VM pgdata 256K SWAP Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) MD disk 2 2K 2K 64194K 2 0 0 16,1K ppbusdev 3 1K 1K 64194K 3 0 0 128 ISOFS mount 1 64K 64K 64194K 1 0 0 64K kld 10 11K 16K 64194K 53 0 0 16,32,128,512,1K,4K,8K timecounter 10 2K 2K 64194K 10 0 0 128 dev_t 540 68K 68K 64194K 540 0 0 128 file desc 35 46K 60K 64194K 6800 0 0 256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K,32K file 109 7K 283K 64194K 1135473 0 0 64 sigio 1 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 32 proc-args 23 1K 2K 64194K 5559 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 zombie 0 0K 1K 64194K 6753 0 0 128 atexit 1 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 16 lockf 1 1K 1K 64194K 23 0 0 64 temp 177 82K 115K 64194K 4596159 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K,32K,128K pgrp 22 1K 1K 64194K 1233 0 0 32 session 20 2K 2K 64194K 949 0 0 64 proc 7 10K 10K 64194K 11 0 0 32,1K,4K subproc 72 7K 10K 64194K 14795 0 0 32,64,256 cred 9 2K 2K 64194K 1082 0 0 128 sysctl 0 0K 1K 64194K 646 0 0 16,32 bus 358 29K 29K 64194K 476 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K eventhandler 11 1K 1K 64194K 11 0 0 32,64 SWAP 2 141K 141K 64194K 2 0 0 32,256K ioctlops 0 0K 1K 64194K 5 0 0 512,1K rman 50 3K 3K 64194K 79 0 0 16,64 ttys 410 53K 63K 64194K 1229 0 0 128,256 ptys 3 2K 2K 64194K 3 0 0 512 soname 1 1K 1K 64194K 3940726 0 0 16,128 pcb 45 5K 20K 64194K 639691 0 0 16,32,64,2K BIO buffer 100 102K 1048K 64194K 9950 0 0 512,1K,2K vfscache 14044 1007K 1007K 64194K 17344 0 0 64,128,128K cluster_save buffer 0 0K 1K 64194K 694 0 0 32,64,128 mount 4 2K 2K 64194K 6 0 0 16,128,512 vnodes 24 6K 6K 64194K 327 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 BPF 3 1K 1K 64194K 3 0 0 32 ifaddr 15 2K 2K 64194K 15 0 0 32,64,128,256 ether_multi 7 1K 1K 64194K 7 0 0 16,32,64 routetbl 61 9K 10295K 64194K 585667 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 in_multi 2 1K 1K 64194K 2 0 0 32 tseg_qent 0 0K 5K 64194K 212819 0 0 32 NFS daemon 1 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 256 NQNFS Lease 1 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 1K NFS hash 1 64K 64K 64194K 1 0 0 64K p1003.1b 1 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 16 FFS node 13187 3297K 3297K 64194K 14242 0 0 256 UFS ihash 1 64K 64K 64194K 1 0 0 64K UFS mount 9 20K 20K 64194K 9 0 0 512,2K,8K VM pgdata 1 128K 128K 64194K 1 0 0 128K ZONE 18 3K 3K 64194K 18 0 0 128 isadev 11 1K 1K 64194K 11 0 0 64 ATA generic 0 1K 1K 64194K 1 0 0 512 AD driver 2 2K 2K 64194K 204988 0 0 64,1K devbuf 82 207K 207K 64194K 114 0 0 16,32,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,16K,32K mbuf 1 28K 28K 64194K 1 0 0 32K memdesc 1 4K 4K 64194K 1 0 0 4K isa_devlist 0 0K 2K 64194K 19 0 0 16,512,1K atkbddev 2 1K 1K 64194K 2 0 0 16 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 5472K 10077K 11398562 Now to probably complicate things more, I replaced the EEpro card with a DEC 21143 based board using the dc driver, and with that card the machine dies a little less often, but when it does the machine usually hangs hard, or reboots. Catching the console before it's totally dead, I can see the following message scrolling on the screen: dc0: watchdog timeout Different than the error from the EEpro card, but still network related, so again I dumped the above information for comparison, and here it is: ifconfig: dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 207.114.4.35 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 207.114.4.47 inet 207.114.4.36 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.36 inet 207.114.4.45 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.45 inet 207.114.4.46 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.114.4.46 ether 00:c0:f0:3b:a7:eb media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP none netstat -m: 7526/15744/81920 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 6064 mbufs allocated to data 1462 mbufs allocated to packet headers 3948/7874/20480 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 17716 Kbytes allocated to network (49% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines vmstat -m: Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 296 984 4706660 0 1280 32 3254 21706 599940 0 640 64 14657 3199 1669347 0 320 128 1099 53 15587 0 160 256 16537 14743 357609 0 80 512 14 2 30928 0 40 1K 33 743 13704 0 20 2K 13 5 40824 0 10 4K 13 2 348612 0 5 8K 2 4 1255714 0 5 16K 10 0 2479452 0 5 32K 1 0 1485462 0 5 64K 4 0 4 0 5 128K 3 0 3 0 5 256K 1 0 1 0 5 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 MD disk, kld, proc-args, atexit, temp, sysctl, bus, rman, soname, pcb, mount, vnodes, ether_multi, routetbl, p1003.1b, devbuf, isa_devlist, atkbddev 32 kld, sigio, proc-args, temp, pgrp, proc, subproc, sysctl, bus, eventhandler, SWAP, pcb, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, BPF, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, in_multi, tseg_qent, newblk, bmsafemap, indirdep, freefrag, freefile, diradd, dirrem, devbuf 64 file, proc-args, lockf, temp, session, subproc, bus, eventhandler, rman, pcb, vfscache, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, pagedep, allocdirect, allocindir, isadev, AD driver 128 ppbusdev, kld, timecounter, dev_t, proc-args, zombie, temp, cred, bus, ttys, soname, vfscache, cluster_save buffer, mount, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, inodedep, freeblks, ZONE, devbuf 256 file desc, proc-args, temp, subproc, bus, ttys, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, NFS daemon, newblk, FFS node, devbuf 512 kld, file desc, temp, bus, ioctlops, ptys, BIO buffer, mount, UFS mount, ATA generic, devbuf, isa_devlist 1K MD disk, kld, file desc, temp, proc, bus, ioctlops, BIO buffer, NQNFS Lease, AD driver, devbuf, isa_devlist 2K file desc, temp, bus, pcb, BIO buffer, UFS mount, devbuf 4K kld, file desc, temp, proc, devbuf, memdesc 8K kld, file desc, temp, indirdep, UFS mount 16K file desc, temp, pagedep, devbuf 32K temp, mbuf 64K ISOFS mount, NFS hash, inodedep, UFS ihash 128K temp, vfscache, VM pgdata 256K SWAP Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) MD disk 2 2K 2K 64189K 2 0 0 16,1K ppbusdev 3 1K 1K 64189K 3 0 0 128 ISOFS mount 1 64K 64K 64189K 1 0 0 64K kld 10 11K 16K 64189K 53 0 0 16,32,128,512,1K,4K,8K timecounter 10 2K 2K 64189K 10 0 0 128 dev_t 540 68K 68K 64189K 540 0 0 128 file desc 37 30K 36K 64189K 7923 0 0 256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K file 174 11K 208K 64189K 1332169 0 0 64 sigio 1 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 32 proc-args 24 2K 2K 64189K 6468 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 zombie 0 0K 1K 64189K 7875 0 0 128 atexit 1 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 16 lockf 1 1K 1K 64189K 3 0 0 64 temp 169 113K 138K 64189K 5648678 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K,32K,128K pgrp 23 1K 1K 64189K 1400 0 0 32 session 21 2K 2K 64189K 1115 0 0 64 proc 7 10K 10K 64189K 7 0 0 32,1K,4K subproc 77 7K 9K 64189K 17254 0 0 32,64,256 cred 9 2K 2K 64189K 1264 0 0 128 sysctl 0 0K 1K 64189K 738 0 0 16,32 bus 367 31K 31K 64189K 503 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K eventhandler 11 1K 1K 64189K 11 0 0 32,64 SWAP 2 141K 141K 64189K 2 0 0 32,256K ioctlops 0 0K 1K 64189K 5 0 0 512,1K rman 50 3K 3K 64189K 79 0 0 16,64 ttys 410 53K 58K 64189K 1307 0 0 128,256 ptys 2 1K 1K 64189K 2 0 0 512 soname 1 1K 1K 64189K 3967614 0 0 16,128 pcb 50 5K 19K 64189K 738447 0 0 16,32,64,2K BIO buffer 26 28K 769K 64189K 12308 0 0 512,1K,2K vfscache 14194 1016K 1016K 64189K 18278 0 0 64,128,128K cluster_save buffer 0 0K 1K 64189K 981 0 0 32,64,128 mount 4 2K 2K 64189K 6 0 0 16,128,512 vnodes 24 6K 6K 64189K 327 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 BPF 3 1K 1K 64189K 3 0 0 32 ifaddr 16 2K 2K 64189K 16 0 0 32,64,128,256 ether_multi 7 1K 1K 64189K 7 0 0 16,32,64 routetbl 6193 871K 6957K 64189K 663076 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 in_multi 2 1K 1K 64189K 2 0 0 32 tseg_qent 0 0K 2K 64189K 220376 0 0 32 NFS daemon 1 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 256 NQNFS Lease 1 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 1K NFS hash 1 64K 64K 64189K 1 0 0 64K p1003.1b 1 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 16 pagedep 2 17K 17K 64189K 32 0 0 64,16K inodedep 4 65K 68K 64189K 2813 0 0 128,64K newblk 1 1K 1K 64189K 23834 0 0 32,256 bmsafemap 3 1K 1K 64189K 4690 0 0 32 allocdirect 1 1K 2K 64189K 8555 0 0 64 indirdep 1 1K 25K 64189K 2822 0 0 32,8K allocindir 1 1K 26K 64189K 15278 0 0 64 freefrag 0 0K 4K 64189K 3464 0 0 32 freeblks 0 0K 4K 64189K 1520 0 0 128 freefile 0 0K 1K 64189K 40 0 0 32 diradd 2 1K 1K 64189K 61 0 0 32 dirrem 0 0K 1K 64189K 64 0 0 32 FFS node 13320 3330K 3331K 64189K 14373 0 0 256 UFS ihash 1 64K 64K 64189K 1 0 0 64K UFS mount 9 20K 20K 64189K 9 0 0 512,2K,8K VM pgdata 1 128K 128K 64189K 1 0 0 128K ZONE 18 3K 3K 64189K 18 0 0 128 isadev 11 1K 1K 64189K 11 0 0 64 ATA generic 0 1K 1K 64189K 1 0 0 512 AD driver 1 1K 2K 64189K 277266 0 0 64,1K devbuf 81 175K 175K 64189K 113 0 0 16,32,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,16K mbuf 1 28K 28K 64189K 1 0 0 32K memdesc 1 4K 4K 64189K 1 0 0 4K isa_devlist 0 0K 2K 64189K 18 0 0 16,512,1K atkbddev 2 1K 1K 64189K 2 0 0 16 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 6372K 5380K 13003847 All of the above stats were taken while the network card was spitting out errors prior to performing a reboot which brings the box back online. I also tried unplugging the nic and plugging it back in without out any change. I also over time have replaced everything in the box except the case, but still the problem persists, and in fact took the old hardware and built a different machine that works fine. So something related to the heavy use by the IRC programs is killing this thing almost daily, and I am at a loss as to what. If you or anyone here on the list has any ideas, I would sure love to hear them, as it would be nice to get to the bottom of this issue... --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 23:21:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown3-2-32.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8A237C2C8 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13142; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:26:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:26:10 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: C J Michaels Cc: Palle Girgensohn , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA and UDMA Message-ID: <20000407022610.C12854@cokane.yi.org> References: <38ED0C0B.124AB415@partitur.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from cjm2@earthling.net on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:05:45PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I have been following this list. One thing I forgot to mention was that I have my 18Gig drive set to CHS in the BIOS. I had some problems addressing other partitions for boot (I have a DOS 5 boot partition for BIOS/FW upgrades). -- cokane C J Michaels had the audacity to say: > > I had a similar problem. I don't know if this will apply to you at all > but maybe it'll help. > > 1. System bios has drive listed as LBA. > 2. Dangeriously dedicated disk. > > The sytem would lock up and report a good number of those errors listed > below. Timeouts and resets. Well, after cvsupping and making world a > couple times it started complaining about an timeout error reading a > block, and it was a block near the end of the drive. Also, I'd like to > note that where there's a BSD slice at the begining of the drive, the BIOS > never detects it right. > > So... I wiped the disk and the mbr. Explicitly set the drive to large in > the bios. Re-installed and all my errors went away, using UDMA w/o any > troubles at all. I dunno if this applies to you at all, but I thought I'd > make the post. > > Just my 2 cents, > > -- > Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 6 23:57:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.freegaypix.com (www.freegaypix.com [216.65.3.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FE637C243; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Received: from jasons-pc.jmsinternet.com (we-24-24-161-74.we.mediaone.net [24.24.161.74]) by www.freegaypix.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA75051; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000406235403.00d6a150@mail.jmsinternet.com> X-Sender: jms@mail.jmsinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:54:20 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: JMS Internet Subject: named Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My server keeps spitting this line out in my messages log: WARNING SOA expire value is less than 7 days (432000) It shows this for each domain name in named... And, lately, it has been going offline for no reason, not even a mention of that in the log.. Anybody know how I can fix this? Thank You, Jason Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 0: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.freegaypix.com (www.freegaypix.com [216.65.3.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE67937C1FB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Received: from jasons-pc.jmsinternet.com (we-24-24-161-74.we.mediaone.net [24.24.161.74]) by www.freegaypix.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA75229; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000406235428.02c9af00@mail.jmsinternet.com> X-Sender: jms@mail.jmsinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:56:56 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: JMS Internet Subject: unable to delete a file Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type here) When I try to cd to this directory I get: cd: Too many arguments. Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. Thank You, Jason Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 0: 8:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (24.69.168.6.on.wave.home.com [24.69.168.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E1C37BF8F; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01856; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:10:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lnb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000406235428.02c9af00@mail.jmsinternet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: FreeBSD Systems Inc. From: Lanny Baron To: JMS Internet Subject: RE: unable to delete a file Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Have you tried to install tkdesk? (it's in /usr/ports/x11-fm). I have had the same thing happen. In text mode (non Xwindows) you have to put either " or ' to the beginning and end of the file. Like rm 'Start Menu' or rm "Start Menu" with a program like tkdesk, the file shows up in a file manager box and you hightlight and delete. lnb On 07-Apr-00 JMS Internet wrote: Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type here) When I try to cd to this directory I get: cd: Too many arguments. Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. Thank You, Jason Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message Lanny Baron, Master FreeBSD Administrator ---------------------------------- Date: 07-Apr-00 Time: 03:10:59 While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. -- Edward Stevenson ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 0:19:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iserver.itworks.com.au (iserver.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AF0537C255 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrace@itworks.com.au) Received: (qmail 48401 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2000 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from maybe.itworks.com.au (203.36.209.235) by iserver.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 07:19:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66150 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2000 07:19:17 -0000 Received: from dhcp8.itworks.com.au (HELO paranoia) (203.36.209.217) by maybe.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 07:19:17 -0000 From: "Richard Grace" To: "Lanny Baron" , "JMS Internet" Cc: , Subject: RE: unable to delete a file Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:19:50 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Have you tried to install tkdesk? (it's in /usr/ports/x11-fm). > I have had the same thing happen. In text mode (non Xwindows) you > have to put > either " or ' to the beginning and end of the file. Like > rm 'Start Menu' or rm "Start Menu" > > with a program like tkdesk, the file shows up in a file manager > box and you > hightlight and delete. > > lnb > > > On 07-Apr-00 JMS Internet wrote: > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete > either via > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of > some type > here) > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > cd: Too many arguments. Wildcards are your friends, try also the -i argument to rm. eg, $ cd /users/ftp/incoming/*.x*/for*/by* $ rm -i * Then answer 'y' or 'n' to any of the files. This will allow you to delete files which may have special charaters in their names as well. Richard Grace. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 0:32:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.freegaypix.com (www.freegaypix.com [216.65.3.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA8B37C1FB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Received: from jasons-pc.jmsinternet.com (we-24-24-161-74.we.mediaone.net [24.24.161.74]) by www.freegaypix.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA02386; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000407002822.03031100@mail.jmsinternet.com> X-Sender: jms@mail.jmsinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:28:53 -0700 To: "Richard Grace" , "Lanny Baron" From: JMS Internet Subject: RE: unable to delete a file Cc: , In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you very much. This worked, so did: rm -r " .x " Thanks all again. At 05:19 PM 4/7/00 +1000, Richard Grace wrote: > > Have you tried to install tkdesk? (it's in /usr/ports/x11-fm). > > I have had the same thing happen. In text mode (non Xwindows) you > > have to put > > either " or ' to the beginning and end of the file. Like > > rm 'Start Menu' or rm "Start Menu" > > > > with a program like tkdesk, the file shows up in a file manager > > box and you > > hightlight and delete. > > > > lnb > > > > > > On 07-Apr-00 JMS Internet wrote: > > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete > > either via > > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of > > some type > > here) > > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > > cd: Too many arguments. > >Wildcards are your friends, try also the -i argument to rm. > >eg, > >$ cd /users/ftp/incoming/*.x*/for*/by* >$ rm -i * > >Then answer 'y' or 'n' to any of the files. This will allow you to delete >files which may have special charaters in their names as well. > >Richard Grace. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 1:41:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763E837B684; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca5-83.ix.netcom.com [209.109.234.83]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA30800; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA88805; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004070841.BAA88805@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: current@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: ports Makefiles being updated soon (forwarded) From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI. -PW === From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Subject: HEADS UP: ports Makefiles being updated soon To: ports@freebsd.org CC: committers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004070815.BAA88701@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Hello world, As we have been discussing on the ports list, we have decided to introduce a slight syntax change to the port Makefiles regarding DISTNAME and PKGNAME. This change will be done this weekend. I will freeze the ports tree Friday night (U.S. Pacific Time) and a small group of volunteers will convert the entire tree in one pass. I will then unfreeze the tree and we can go back to business. I don't expect anything to break but since we are talking about over 3,000 ports, I can't guarantee that everything will go smooth. If you haven't cvsupped ports for a while, you may want to do it now. After the conversion, "old style" ports will no longer be accepted. Please read the handbook's porting section at, for instance, http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/porting.html#PORTING-SAMPLEM for details. (The above page seems to be still showing the old version -- the documentation change was committed today, so please check back later.) Also, make sure that you have the latest ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk if you are using anything from ports-current. This means, if you are cvsupping individual ports collections, you need to have "ports-base" in your cvsupfile. Thanks, Satoshi (and the friendly ports team) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 2: 3:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5336A37B741; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega.vega.com (dialup5-37.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.227.37]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29061; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:10:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA58677; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:03:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <38EDA44A.3AC1BAB0@altavista.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:03:07 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Satoshi Asami Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ports Makefiles being updated soon (forwarded) References: <200004070841.BAA88805@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Satoshi Asami wrote: > After the conversion, "old style" ports will no longer be accepted. How about those unlucky, which are patiently waiting for their destiny in the PR database? I personally have several and would like to know if any activity from my side is reqired. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 2:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from twizors.rug.ac.be (twizors.rug.ac.be [157.193.55.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F7537BADE for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Received: from localhost (ageorges@localhost) by twizors.rug.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22799 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:14:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:14:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Andy Georges To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Kenny Drobnack wrote: > Walter said that he got his Parallel Port Zip to work by changing the > Parallel Port settings in the BIOS to EPP mode. It worked. You may want > to try testing the same thing on laptops... hmm.. and what to do if one doesn't have such a mode? i can put it in ECP or bi-directional. (toshiba 320 CDS) mvg, Andy ========================================================================== Dept. of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Ghent Krijgslaan 281 - S9, B - 9000 Ghent, Belgium Phone: +32-9-264.47.66, Fax: +32-9-264.49.95 E-mail: andy.georges@rug.ac.be ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 3:39: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcom.com (netcom1.netcom.com [199.183.9.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C6037B59D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stanb@netcom.com) Received: (from stanb@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21707 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Brown Message-Id: <200004071036.DAA21707@netcom.com> Subject: ksh ? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Stable List) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I saw the other day that the ksh source had been opened up. Anyone know if the license is compatible with including in FreeBSD? Or if not in the base distribution, could it at least be put in the ports tree? There is a port there, but it just installs the binary. -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 404-996-6955 Factory Automation Systems Atlanta Ga. -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! Pay no attention to that cliff ahead... Henry Spencer (c) 1998 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 4: 3:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip1.melaten.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.92.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7404337B691 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.92.12]) by cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11930; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:15:13 +0200 Received: (from tg@localhost) by cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA57614; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:08:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) X-Authentication-Warning: cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de: tg set sender to tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de using -f To: Stan Brown Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable List) Subject: Re: ksh ? References: <200004071036.DAA21707@netcom.com> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Stan Brown's message of "Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT)" Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:08:19 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stan Brown writes: > I saw the other day that the ksh source had been opened up. Anyone know > if the license is compatible with including in FreeBSD? Or if not in > the base distribution, could it at least be put in the ports tree? URL? tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 4:10:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94B437B910 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca5-83.ix.netcom.com [209.109.234.83]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18524; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id EAA89541; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Satoshi Asami Message-Id: <200004071108.EAA89541@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: stanb@netcom.com, tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: ksh ? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Thomas Gellekum * Stan Brown writes: * > I saw the other day that the ksh source had been opened up. Anyone know * > if the license is compatible with including in FreeBSD? Or if not in * > the base distribution, could it at least be put in the ports tree? * URL? http://www.research.att.com/sw/license/ast-open.html I've seen the license, it is pretty complicated but I don't think we won't be able to comply. (How's that for a double negative.) However, I've heard it's pretty hard to compile on BSD. Has anyone tried? Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 4:23:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip1.melaten.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.92.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2410637BB85 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.92.12]) by cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11995; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:35:22 +0200 Received: (from tg@localhost) by cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA57666; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:28:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) X-Authentication-Warning: cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de: tg set sender to tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de using -f To: Satoshi Asami Cc: stanb@netcom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ksh ? References: <200004071108.EAA89541@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Satoshi Asami's message of "Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT)" Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:28:27 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Satoshi Asami writes: > http://www.research.att.com/sw/license/ast-open.html > > I've seen the license, it is pretty complicated but I don't think > we won't be able to comply. (How's that for a double negative.) 1. YOUR REPRESENTATIONS 1. You represent and warrant that: [...] b. You have read and fully understand this Agreement in its entirety; This will take me some time... Anyway, I meant to ask for the URL to the ksh source. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 5: 3: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CA137B9D4 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 05:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09811; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:02:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.simianscience.com (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00580; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) To: howardl@account.abs.net (Howard Leadmon) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Troubles with network & buffers.. Any Ideas?? Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:00:24 GMT Message-ID: <38edcc1d.210305823@mail.sentex.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20000327160242.02248880@marble.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 7 Apr 2000 02:12:12 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.misc you wrote: >Anyway here is what I have done, hopefully this may shed some useful >information, and if not I tried.. :) Hmmm... Nothing obvious that I see. At this point, I would enable kernel debugging, and when the box goes to panic/reboot, go into the debugger and capture the output and post to the list. See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kerneldebug.html on the details on what needs to be done, and how to capture it. ---Mike Mike Tancsa (mdtancsa@sentex.net) Sentex Communications Corp, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada "Given enough time, 100 monkeys on 100 routers could setup a national IP network." (KDW2) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 6:27:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240C737B8D7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@mail.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id JAA05347 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200004071327.JAA05347@mail.virtual-estates.net> Subject: openssl broken in 4.0? To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I installed the fetchmail from ports on a fresh 4.0 install. It can not retrieve any e-mail over ssl from the server I was using with fetchmail and openssl which came from port before: 49793:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:/home/mi/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:459: fetchmail: SSL connection failed.fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 What do I need to do? Why do I need to do it? Thanks! -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 6:33:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from napalm.plano.sterling.com (napalm.plano.sterling.com [138.42.1.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9831F37BD8F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan.edmonds@sterling.com) Received: from sterling.com (ras-0020.plano.sterling.com [10.1.48.129]) by napalm.plano.sterling.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28713; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:32:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <38EDE355.8174A772@sterling.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:32:05 -0500 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Georges Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried a parallel zip drive on a Dell Latitude CP (older model). The BIOS only lists Disabled, BiDirectional, and EPP mode. The kernel found the port, but I got a bunch of vp0: timeout messages later during the boot. Could zip drive failures be related to not having a SCSI controller? The zip drive works fine in my other machine (that has a SCSI controller). -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software M/S 132 Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. Email: alan.edmonds@sterling.com Plano, TX, USA 75024 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 6:47:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.Surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913CE37BD6C; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (pC19F54AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [193.159.84.175]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01302; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:46:28 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADC4AC2C; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:49:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24178; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:46:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:46:21 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ports Makefiles being updated soon (forwarded) Message-ID: <20000407154621.E17612@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Maxim Sobolev , Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200004070841.BAA88805@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <38EDA44A.3AC1BAB0@altavista.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EDA44A.3AC1BAB0@altavista.net>; from sobomax@altavista.net on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 12:03:07PM +0300 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Maxim Sobolev (sobomax@altavista.net): > How about those unlucky, which are patiently waiting for their destiny in the > PR database? I personally have several and would like to know if any activity > from my side is reqired. Let the committers do that. It's a trivial fix. If you change stuff anyway (e.g. new version has been made available in the meanwhile), you can correct this in the new PR. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 7: 5:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E5037BC14; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-209-214-41-25.cha.bellsouth.net [209.214.41.25]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id KAA27376; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: JMS Internet Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unable to delete a file In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000406235428.02c9af00@mail.jmsinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason, Watch your back side. I had an individual open an account with someone else's domain name and email address. It didn't feel right so I watched for a day to see what he was doing. He didn't upload a web page, but uploaded a script named .x which turned out to be a transfer of services script. Jim On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, JMS Internet wrote: > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type > here) > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > cd: Too many arguments. > > Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. > Thank You, > Jason Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 7:16:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cytosine.dhs.org (cx272244-a.orng1.occa.home.com [24.1.177.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF0437BB4E; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:16:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bhishan@cytosine.dhs.org) Received: (from bhishan@localhost) by cytosine.dhs.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e37EG9f14914; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bhishan Hemrajani Message-Id: <200004071416.e37EG9f14914@cytosine.dhs.org> Subject: Re: unable to delete a file In-Reply-To: from Jim Weeks at "Apr 7, 2000 10:05:08 am" To: Jim Weeks Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: JMS Internet , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You're using cd wrong. When it has spaces put it in quotes. So, to cd there, type: $ cd "/users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/" --bhishan > Jason, > > Watch your back side. I had an individual open an account with someone > else's domain name and email address. It didn't feel right so I watched > for a day to see what he was doing. He didn't upload a web page, but > uploaded a script named .x which turned out to be a transfer of services > script. > > Jim > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, JMS Internet wrote: > > > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via > > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type > > here) > > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > > cd: Too many arguments. > > > > Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. > > Thank You, > > Jason Scott > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 7:22:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B2A937B858 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.76] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ya759588 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:22:29 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: Alan Edmonds , Andy Georges Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:13:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <38EDE355.8174A772@sterling.com> In-Reply-To: <38EDE355.8174A772@sterling.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040710221202.01489@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Alan Edmonds wrote: > I tried a parallel zip drive on a Dell Latitude CP (older model). > The BIOS only lists Disabled, BiDirectional, and EPP mode. The > kernel found the port, but I got a bunch of vp0: timeout messages > later during the boot. > > Could zip drive failures be related to not having a SCSI > controller? The zip drive works fine in my other machine > (that has a SCSI controller). > > -- > Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software Don't know if that's a laptop, and again I'm running on a desktop. I do not have SCSI on my machine and ZIP works fine. The ZIP drive has an internal SCSI with a parallel to SCSI adaptor. Again, did you try it with EPP mode? If this might help, here is the relevant output from dmesg: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 1 23:33:30 EST 2000 .. .. .. ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP-only) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 vpo0: on ppbus0 imm0: EPP 1.9 mode .. .. .. da0 at vpo0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 96MB (196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C) -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 7:24:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.sbt.siemens.com (smtp01.sbt.siemens.com [206.102.190.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB8EE37BB1A; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christopher.holden@sbt.siemens.com) Received: from 10.173.200.210 by smtp02.sbt.siemens.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:24:26 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by usbgrexch10.us.abatos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2NQHBGYH>; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <621EBA5B3ED7D311AC8D00805F9A81EA027336@usmiadata01.us.abatos.com> From: Holden Christopher To: 'Martin Minkus' Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: SB Live! - Fantastic!!!! Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:22:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Good call. In the meantime, I'm passing this on to the -questions and -stable lists asking for owners of SB Live cards and running 4.0 to test this out. If it's only in 5.0, I want to reflect that in the HOWTO I wrote up last night. For those interested in seeeing what's done already, you can find an article on http://www.defcon1.org (and probably http://defcon1.erudition.net too) titled "Support for your SB Live! card in FreeBSD 4.0/5.0". Again, it looks like it took some tweaking to get it to work in 4.0, but he says below what it took to get it to work. It went well with 5.0 for me. The -current source I used to get mine to work is from last night (4/6/00). -Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Minkus [SMTP:diskiller@borg-cube.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:29 AM > To: Holden Christopher > Subject: RE: SB Live! - Fantastic!!!! > > heh, so, what. I am the first person in the world to use SB Live on > FreeBSD 4.0? lol > > Yeah, post it where ever giving my description, or whatever. > > I'm gonna go tell Nugget94M since i know he wants Live support in 4.0 > > Really, tho, i think Live support will be dropped into 4.0 real soon. I > should find out who is responsible for the code and email them. > > martin. > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Holden Christopher wrote: > > > Martin, > > I didn't want to forward this without your permission. You have mine. > > Maybe we should pass this on to the list for requests of people testing > in > > 4.0. I run 5.0. It works. I jumped the gun and ASSUMED it would work in > 4.0 > > since it just recently branched. It seemed logical that the sound > drivers > > would still be similar. What do I know? =] > > Regards, > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Martin Minkus [SMTP:diskiller@borg-cube.com] > > > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:19 AM > > > To: christopher.holden@sbt.siemens.com > > > Cc: dburr@freebsd.org > > > Subject: SB Live! - Fantastic!!!! > > > > > > Fantastic, it worked! > > > > > > But you are missing alot of stuff there, in your sblive.html file. > > > > > > emu10k.c/h doesn't exist in 4.0 yet, i had to copy the file over from > my > > > 5.0 machine myself. (doesn't look like its been backported YET). > > > > > > Then compile failed. the pcm interface in has already changed in 5.0! > > > Fortunately it was only one function, ac97_create() and it was only a > NULL > > > pointer i had to drop. (it appears to be a pointer to a function to > init > > > stuff. 4.0 doesn't need/have it) > > > > > > It compiled perfectly, rebooted, and detected the card perfectly! > mp3's > > > play great! > > > > > > wooohooo! > > > > > > Thanks heaps man :) > > > > > > martin. > > > > > > -- > > > Martin Minkus aka DiSKiLLeR > > > Email: diskiller@borg-cube.com Web: http://www.diskiller.net > > > > > > I live in a world of paradox... my willingness to destroy is > > > your chance for improvement, my hate is your faith, my failure > > > is your victory - a victory that won't last. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 8:13:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from twizors.rug.ac.be (twizors.rug.ac.be [157.193.55.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F401137B965 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Received: from localhost (ageorges@localhost) by twizors.rug.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23536 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:18:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ageorges@twizors.rug.ac.be) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:18:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Andy Georges To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <00040710221202.01489@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, > Again, did you try it with EPP mode? If this might help, here is the > relevant output from dmesg: > > FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 1 23:33:30 EST 2000 > .. > .. > .. > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa0 > ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP-only) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) > plip0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > vpo0: on ppbus0 > imm0: EPP 1.9 mode why does it say imm0 ? with me it just says vpo0: ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12dafF-0007Pk-00; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:27:17 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12dafF-000GS8-00; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:27:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:27:17 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: David Nixon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000407162717.C4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Nixon wrote: > Now back to your first e-mail. I mentioned the setting for vi in > response to Chad R. Larson's e-mail. He specifically mentioned that > he used vi for e-mail in a previous e-mail. If you go back and reread > his message then you might realize why I mentioned it. I honestly > ask, does Chad Larson change that setting for e-mail then change > it back for other vi uses? If not, then he and everyone else who > does not format their text at less that 65 characters are guilty of > violating RFC 1855 (as you have quoted this group). Most people use 80 characters, which is a hell of a lot closer to 65 than your unbroken lines (or broken, depending on which way you look at it). > multiple columns just for fun? Anyway, read this extract from RFC 1855 and ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....+....8 > *************************************************************************** > > Count the splats. This line appears in Ben Smithurst's message below. How many characters per line? > Hypocritical..... Welcome to the guilty. Shit, I'm about 10 characters over the limit. You're a few hundred over. Nevermind, you're getting boring now. You'll be glad to know you'll get no more responses from me. *plonk* -- Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 8:34: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E4F537BDBA for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.76] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id pa760853 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:33:53 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:31:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040711335301.01608@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Andy Georges wrote: > Hello, > > > Again, did you try it with EPP mode? If this might help, here is the > > relevant output from dmesg: > > > > FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 1 23:33:30 EST 2000 > > .. > > .. > > .. > > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa0 > > ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP-only) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) > > plip0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > vpo0: on ppbus0 > > imm0: EPP 1.9 mode > > why does it say imm0 ? > with me it just says vpo0: > i cannot find any reference to imm0 in the LINT file or is that because > I'm running 4.0-RELEASE instead of -STABLE? > > andy I have absolutely no idea where imm0 came from. There is no reference to it in my kernel config file, and nothing shows in /dev. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 9:21:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from igate-int.hbocvan.com (igate-ext.hbocvan.com [139.177.224.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA1437BA76 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HarkreaderA@LOURDESRMC.com) Received: by igate-int.hbocvan.com; id MAA03531; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from siauser.hbocvan.com(32.76.161.10) by igate.hbocvan.com via smap (V4.2) id xma003425; Fri, 7 Apr 00 12:20:41 -0400 Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:21:45 -0500 Message-ID: <43CB5F7392BCD3118AD400A0C9ECD1E708EEA0@EXCHANGE> From: "Harkreader, Alan" To: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: releng3 ftp server Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I haven't been able to anonymous ftp to releng3.freebsd.org for days. Is it just me or am I missing something? I want to ftp-install the latest stable snapshot. Alan Harkreader harka@lourdesrmc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 9:36:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from napalm.plano.sterling.com (napalm.plano.sterling.com [138.42.1.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D715137BE68 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan.edmonds@sterling.com) Received: from sterling.com (CD27T.plano.sterling.com [10.1.54.234]) by napalm.plano.sterling.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29547; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:35:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <38EE0E33.7906408@sterling.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:34:59 -0500 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walter Brameld Cc: Andy Georges , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.0 and Parallel Port Zip 100 Drive (fwd) References: <38EDE355.8174A772@sterling.com> <00040710221202.01489@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter Brameld wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Alan Edmonds wrote: > > I tried a parallel zip drive on a Dell Latitude CP (older model). > > The BIOS only lists Disabled, BiDirectional, and EPP mode. The > > kernel found the port, but I got a bunch of vp0: timeout messages > > later during the boot. > > > > Could zip drive failures be related to not having a SCSI > > controller? The zip drive works fine in my other machine > > (that has a SCSI controller). > > > > -- > > Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software > > Don't know if that's a laptop, and again I'm running on a desktop. I do > not have SCSI on my machine and ZIP works fine. The ZIP drive has an > internal SCSI with a parallel to SCSI adaptor. > > Again, did you try it with EPP mode? If this might help, here is the > relevant output from dmesg: I was wrong. On my Latitude (laprtop), it offers ECP mode, not EPP mode. I don't have the dmesg output handy; I'll boot it later and see what it says. My zip drive is an older model with just a parallel port. Model Z100P2 is says on the bottom. -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software M/S 132 Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. Email: alan.edmonds@sterling.com Plano, TX, USA 75024 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 9:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (adsl-63-192-209-55.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.209.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3837BAAE for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE8E0205; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:45:31 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: "Harkreader, Alan" Cc: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: releng3 ftp server Message-ID: <20000407094531.A15956@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <43CB5F7392BCD3118AD400A0C9ECD1E708EEA0@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.11i In-Reply-To: <43CB5F7392BCD3118AD400A0C9ECD1E708EEA0@EXCHANGE>; from HarkreaderA@LOURDESRMC.com on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 11:21:38AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 at 11:21:38 -0500, Harkreader, Alan wrote: > I haven't been able to anonymous ftp to releng3.freebsd.org for days. > Is it just me or am I missing something? I want to ftp-install the > latest stable snapshot. Try releng4.FreeBSD.org. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 9:49:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18D837B61B; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA69250; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <200004071327.JAA05347@mail.virtual-estates.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Hello! > > I installed the fetchmail from ports on a fresh 4.0 install. > > It can not retrieve any e-mail over ssl from the server I was using with > fetchmail and openssl which came from port before: > > 49793:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:/home/mi/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:459: > fetchmail: SSL connection failed.fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 > > What do I need to do? Why do I need to do it? Thanks! You probably have a non-RSA capable OpenSSL which therefore can't do SSLv2. See the handbook for an explanation of what you need to do. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 9:54:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284C737C307; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA69667; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ports Makefiles being updated soon (forwarded) In-Reply-To: <38EDA44A.3AC1BAB0@altavista.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > After the conversion, "old style" ports will no longer be accepted. > > How about those unlucky, which are patiently waiting for their destiny in the > PR database? I personally have several and would like to know if any activity > from my side is reqired. I think Satoshi was just referring to newly-submitted ports. Existing queued ones won't need to be changed. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 11:32:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19E6537BDE9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.11] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id xa763149 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:32:29 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:49:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040714322700.00327@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (The following information was provided by Christopher Holden and Martin Minkus. I'm just putting it all together). Thanks to the above-mentioned, I am no longer using my SBLive! card for a paper-weight. So far I have only used it to play CD sound and mp3 files, so on performance your mileage may vary. Anyway, here is a step-by-step of what I did: 1) Go to: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/dev/sound/pci/ and download the following two files: emu10k1.c emu10k1.h 2) Edit emu10k1.c. Look for the following line: codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, NULL, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); Remove the NULL entry. It should now say: codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); 3) Place these files in /usr/src/sys/dev/sound/pci. You may also wish to keep a backup so your first CVSUP doesn't flush them down the toilet. 4) Edit /usr/src/sys/conf/files and insert the following line in the appropriate place (You know....alphabetically?): dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci (You may also wish to keep this file safe from the Tidy-Bowl Man). 5) Edit your kernel config file and make sure it has the following two devices: device pcm device pci Christopher also mentioned device sbc. Not sure what this serves, but I am going to add it in a minute to see what happens as ac_97 is saying my DAC is not ready. 6) Recompile your kernel and reboot. dmesg should show the following: pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec reports dac not ready (Maybe you won't get this) pci0: (vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002) at 9.1 Cat /dev/sndstat should show: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 7 2000 13:12:21 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xe400 irq 10 (1p/0r channels duplex) or something similar, io and irq may vary. 7) You may have to go into /dev and type ./MAKEDEV snd0, but not sure about this. That's all I've done so far, will post a follow-up as to whether device sbc clears up my DAC problem. I also notice midi is not working. If anyone has a problem with this HOWTO or has more to add, feel free to do so. Just make the changes and repost, you do not need to quote. I would also appreciate some feedback about if this worked. Just reply to me, no need to clutter the mail lists. Good luck! -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 12: 3:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C5F337B611 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.11] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id wa763538 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:03:10 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:01:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040715030802.00327@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (The following information was provided by Christopher Holden and Martin Minkus. I'm just putting it all together). Thanks to the above-mentioned, I am no longer using my SBLive! card for a paper-weight. So far I have only used it to play CD sound and mp3 files, so on performance your mileage may vary. Anyway, here is a step-by-step of what I did: 1) Go to: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/dev/sound/pci/ and download the following two files: emu10k1.c emu10k1.h 2) Edit emu10k1.c. Look for the following line: codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, NULL, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); Remove the NULL entry. It should now say: codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); 3) Place these files in /usr/src/sys/dev/sound/pci. You may also wish to keep a backup so your first CVSUP doesn't flush them down the toilet. 4) Edit /usr/src/sys/conf/files and insert the following line in the appropriate place (You know....alphabetically?): dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci (You may also wish to keep this file safe from the Tidy-Bowl Man). 5) Edit your kernel config file and make sure it has the following two devices: device pcm device pci Christopher also mentioned device sbc. Not sure what this serves, but I am going to add it in a minute to see what happens as ac_97 is saying my DAC is not ready. 6) Recompile your kernel and reboot. dmesg should show the following: pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec reports dac not ready (Maybe you won't get this) pci0: (vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002) at 9.1 Cat /dev/sndstat should show: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 7 2000 13:12:21 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xe400 irq 10 (1p/0r channels duplex) or something similar, io and irq may vary. 7) You may have to go into /dev and type ./MAKEDEV snd0, but not sure about this. That's all I've done so far, will post a follow-up as to whether device sbc clears up my DAC problem. I also notice midi is not working. If anyone has a problem with this HOWTO or has more to add, feel free to do so. Just make the changes and repost, you do not need to quote. I would also appreciate some feedback about if this worked. Just reply to me, no need to clutter the mail lists. Good luck! -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 12:12:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web2106.mail.yahoo.com (web2106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C30C037C035 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from radar1976@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14397 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2000 19:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407191244.14396.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.113.25.85] by web2106.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:12:44 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun F Subject: Panic 12 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.or, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I would like to know if anyone can pinpoint what is cause this panic every 1 to 2 days causing my system to reboot without warning. =================================================== here is the EXACT error output Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =0x150 ` =0xc06ef798 " =0x2f3c6586 fault code =supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =0x:0xc01c50f0 ` =0x8:0xc018511e " =0x8:0xc0267554 stack pointer =0x10:0xc35efc00 ` =0x10:0xc33cbcf8 " =0x10:0xc3349f2c frame pointer =0x10:0xc35efc00 ` =0x10:0xc33cbd04 " =0x10:0xc3349f44 code segment =base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor flags =interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current address =15264 (final) ` =302 (opennap) " =2 (pagedaemon) interupt mask =bio ' =bio " =net tty bio cam trap number =12 panic: page fault syncing disks... ` is a different date/time >> 1:57 AM 3/31/00 " is third time 12:08 PM 4/7/00 ================================================== Please response back to this email, I'm not subscribed to the daily list. Thanks Shaun ===== I'm going to be a history maker in this Land! "It's our duty to save the human race before this time-limited beta release (earth that is...) is gone!" http://pageshaun.cjb.net http://yaahoo.yi.org **NEW SITE** __ May 15_ 1976 <> /__ _ _| |_)| _ _ _ \_/ _ /\ || \_|(_)(_| |_)|(/__>_> | (_)|_| /--\|| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 12:15:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750B37B574 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00798; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200004071920.MAA00798@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Shaun F Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.or, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic 12 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:12:44 PDT." <20000407191244.14396.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:20:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > > I would like to know if anyone can pinpoint what is > cause this panic every 1 to 2 days causing my system > to reboot without warning. > =================================================== > here is the EXACT error output > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address =0x150 > ` =0xc06ef798 > " =0x2f3c6586 Three different FVAs - looks like bad hardware. You're overclocking, or have bad memory. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 12:27:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from news.colis.com (news.colis.com [196.3.153.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E21737C035 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyber@colis.com) Received: from ns1 (ns1.colis.com [196.3.153.4]) by news.colis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2A585B04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Smith" To: Subject: Re 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:30:00 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000407192655.CE2A585B04@news.colis.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had the same problem on 3 different machines that ran 3.3 and 3.4 reliably, I changed memory, tried turning off dma, but could not get rid of the problem. The machines would auto reboot , no messages no dumps. Several days ago I cvsuped the latest stable (my first time ever upgrading like this) and now the problem is solved. ---------- From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 Keeps Rebooting Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:28 PM I seem to be rebooting a lot these days since I moved my Test/Workstation to 4.0. The machine never had a rebooting instantaneously under 3.4-STABLE Here is the Hardware Celeron 300a Abit BH-6 64Megs of Ram Sybios 875 UW SCSI wide controller es1370 Audio PCI Sound Card Aopen 48Speed IDE CDrom The CDROM runs off the Primary Controller master channel nad the rest of the system is on the Sybios controller. I am using the sym driver for the SCSI controller. Any ideas. I am at a loss. TIA -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Don't talk about yourself so much. We'll do that when you leave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 14: 9:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B977A37C076; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@mail.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id RAA27988; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200004072109.RAA27988@mail.virtual-estates.net> Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: from Kris Kennaway at "Apr 7, 2000 09:49:16 am" To: Kris Kennaway Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hello! > > > > I installed the fetchmail from ports on a fresh 4.0 install. > > > > It can not retrieve any e-mail over ssl from the server I was using with > > fetchmail and openssl which came from port before: > > > > 49793:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:/home/mi/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:459: > > fetchmail: SSL connection failed.fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 > > > > What do I need to do? Why do I need to do it? Thanks! > > You probably have a non-RSA capable OpenSSL which therefore can't do > SSLv2. I have what was installed by buildworld and installworld with RSAREF and WITH_RSA both set to YES. The handbook entry talks about installing the security/rsaref port, which I did before even world-building: 128:-lrsaref.2 => /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2 Anything else? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 14:31:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E64637C20B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 5980 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Apr 2000 21:31:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 21:31:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <200004072109.RAA27988@mail.virtual-estates.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: [...] : I have what was installed by buildworld and installworld with RSAREF and : WITH_RSA both set to YES. The handbook entry talks about installing the : security/rsaref port, which I did before even world-building: : : 128:-lrsaref.2 => /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2 : : Anything else? I had this problem, installed the rsaref port *after* the make world and it worked like a charm. I do have another problem though, everytime I run a make world, my /etc/make.conf gets modified in ONE specific way, my line that says USA_RESIDENT=YES is changed to USA_RESIDENT=NO, it's driving me crazy. The first time I dismissed it thinking I forgot, the last 2 times told me that I did not forget. It is also not me making a mergemaster error or anything silly like that, heck mergemaster won't touch make.conf anyways, it'll just touch /etc/defaults/make.conf. Has anyone other than me seen this odd behaviour? It has lead to several things being built without the support I wish *sigh* : -mi : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE47lOYdMMtMcA1U5ARAtHqAKCA1l7cQZbT24HIq02U4nCYFl41cwCgz/Ep 8/ry9i2FOSDI7d88rnN1aj4= =UV/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 14:31:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5018B37C10A; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA98436; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <200004072109.RAA27988@mail.virtual-estates.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > fetchmail: SSL connection failed.fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 > > > > > > What do I need to do? Why do I need to do it? Thanks! > > > > You probably have a non-RSA capable OpenSSL which therefore can't do > > SSLv2. > > I have what was installed by buildworld and installworld with RSAREF and > WITH_RSA both set to YES. The handbook entry talks about installing the > security/rsaref port, which I did before even world-building: > > 128:-lrsaref.2 => /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2 > > Anything else? Is the other end trying to use a >1024 bit key? RSAREF can't handle those. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 14:43:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DB537BA94 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@mail.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id RAA00885; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200004072143.RAA00885@mail.virtual-estates.net> Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: from Matt Heckaman at "Apr 7, 2000 05:31:01 pm" To: Matt Heckaman Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, andy@lewman.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > [...] > : I have what was installed by buildworld and installworld with RSAREF > : and WITH_RSA both set to YES. The handbook entry talks about > : installing the security/rsaref port, which I did before even > : world-building: > : > : 128:-lrsaref.2 => /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2 > : > : Anything else? > > I had this problem, installed the rsaref port *after* the make world > and it worked like a charm. Just tried -- nothing -- the same error: 80924:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:459: :( According to `ls -ul /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2' it is not even accessed by the fetchmail invocations :( -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 14:56:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68DB37B9F9; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@mail.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id RAA01154; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200004072156.RAA01154@mail.virtual-estates.net> Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: from Kris Kennaway at "Apr 7, 2000 02:31:46 pm" To: Kris Kennaway Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > > > fetchmail: SSL connection failed.fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 > > > > > > > > What do I need to do? Why do I need to do it? Thanks! > > > > > > You probably have a non-RSA capable OpenSSL which therefore can't > > > do SSLv2. > > > > I have what was installed by buildworld and installworld with RSAREF > > and WITH_RSA both set to YES. The handbook entry talks about > > installing the security/rsaref port, which I did before even > > world-building: > > > > 128:-lrsaref.2 => /usr/local/lib/librsaref.so.2 > > > > Anything else? > > Is the other end trying to use a >1024 bit key? RSAREF can't handle > those. It is quite possible, actually... Is there an easy way to find out? Why did this limitation suddenly appear? Will it go away? Thanks! -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 15: 3:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E8637BA56 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@mail.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id SAA01371; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200004072203.SAA01371@mail.virtual-estates.net> Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <20000407175906.V14380@stat.Duke.EDU> from "Sean O'Connell" at "Apr 7, 2000 05:59:06 pm" To: "Sean O'Connell" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mikhail Teterin stated: > > It is quite possible, actually... Is there an easy way to find out? Why > > did this limitation suddenly appear? Will it go away? Thanks! > > > > This is a known limitation of RSAREF (always been there). It > will legally go away on Sept 20, 2000 ;) Well, I can still successfully use fetchmail linked against the port's openssl to retrieve e-mail from this same server on one of my machines. So, if this is not some new limitation that the bundled openssl has versus the openssl installed by port, it is not the source of my trouble :( -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 15:31: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D693937C137 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id AAA07176 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:30:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02588 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:12:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: ksh ? Date: 7 Apr 2000 23:12:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8clj0b$2ga$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <200004071108.EAA89541@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Satoshi Asami wrote: > However, I've heard it's pretty hard to compile on BSD. > Has anyone tried? I have, and the ast_open package doesn't build for me. nmake gets stuck in an infinite loop when it compiles its makefile. Others have reported success. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 15:57:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.182.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9F537BEC2 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.105]) by alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA82478; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:57:02 +0200 Received: from atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (root@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.101]) by sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27976; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:49:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (ferdl@localhost) by atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA42944; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:57:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:57:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ksh ? In-Reply-To: <8clj0b$2ga$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On 7 Apr 2000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I have, and the ast_open package doesn't build for me. nmake gets > stuck in an infinite loop when it compiles its makefile. Er.... were can one download this ominous source package... TIA Ferdinand Goldmann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:14:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.student.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.220.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC437B5F1; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poseidon.student.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25704; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:14:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <38EE6BBA.B03AE183@glue.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:14:03 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walter Brameld Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO References: <00040715030802.00327@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter Brameld wrote: > > (The following information was provided by Christopher Holden and > Martin Minkus. I'm just putting it all together). > > Thanks to the above-mentioned, I am no longer using my SBLive! card for > a paper-weight. So far I have only used it to play CD sound and mp3 > files, so on performance your mileage may vary. Anyway, here > is a step-by-step of what I did: > > 1) Go to: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/dev/sound/pci/ > > and download the following two files: > > emu10k1.c > emu10k1.h > > 2) Edit emu10k1.c. Look for the following line: > > codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, NULL, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); > > Remove the NULL entry. It should now say: > > codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd); > > 3) Place these files in /usr/src/sys/dev/sound/pci. You may also wish > to keep a backup so your first CVSUP doesn't flush them down the > toilet. > > 4) Edit /usr/src/sys/conf/files and insert the following line in the > appropriate place (You know....alphabetically?): > > dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci > > (You may also wish to keep this file safe from the Tidy-Bowl Man). > > 5) Edit your kernel config file and make sure it has the following two > devices: > > device pcm > device pci > > Christopher also mentioned device sbc. Not sure what this serves, > but I am going to add it in a minute to see what happens as ac_97 > is saying my DAC is not ready. > > 6) Recompile your kernel and reboot. dmesg should show the following: > > pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 > pcm0: ac97 codec reports dac not ready (Maybe you won't get this) > pci0: (vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002) at 9.1 > > Cat /dev/sndstat should show: > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 7 2000 13:12:21 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xe400 irq 10 (1p/0r channels duplex) > > or something similar, io and irq may vary. > > 7) You may have to go into /dev and type ./MAKEDEV snd0, but not sure > about this. > > That's all I've done so far, will post a follow-up as to whether device > sbc clears up my DAC problem. I also notice midi is not working. If > anyone has a problem with this HOWTO or has more to add, feel free to > do so. Just make the changes and repost, you do not need to quote. > > I would also appreciate some feedback about if this worked. Just reply > to me, no need to clutter the mail lists. > > Good luck! > > -- > Walter Brameld > Eureka!!! It works on my 4.0 box. Not sure how to play cd's so I haven't tried that yet. I added device sbc to my kernel and I still get the DAC not ready message. Any idea when this will be included in the 4.0 sources? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:16:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9C37B898; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA07530; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <200004072156.RAA01154@mail.virtual-estates.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Is the other end trying to use a >1024 bit key? RSAREF can't handle > > those. > > It is quite possible, actually... Is there an easy way to find out? Why > did this limitation suddenly appear? Will it go away? Thanks! The openssl(1) command can parse the keys and show you how big they are. OpenSSL doesn't report a specific error condition for "key too big" in the RSAREF + large key case, so there's currently no automatic way for an application to detect it. I fixed OpenSSH to display an error message when it encounters this condition by explicitly checking the key size if an RSA operation fails and openssl is using RSAREF, but the library itself won't currently complain. Actually I should go back and see if there's a way I can make it do so. RSAREF has always had this limitation on keysize - in fact it would be easy to remove the limitation, but according to the license terms you're not allowed to make functional changes to the code. If this is actually the cause of your problem, and you didnt see it before I can only assume your openssl port wasn't compiled with USA_RESIDENT=yes and was thus using the native RSA implementation. This won't be an issue any longer after 9/20/2000 when the RSA patent expires and we can put back the native openssl RSA encryption for US folks. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:17:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.exit.com (exit-gw.power.net [207.151.46.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D510737BEC2; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (realtime.exit.com [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03943; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by realtime.exit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05831; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank) From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <200004072317.QAA05831@realtime.exit.com> Subject: Re: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO In-Reply-To: <38EE6BBA.B03AE183@glue.umd.edu> from Brandon Fosdick at "Apr 7, 2000 07:14:03 pm" To: Brandon Fosdick Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Walter Brameld , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: frank@exit.com Organization: Exit Consulting X-Copyright0: Copyright 2000 Frank Mayhar. All Rights Reserved. X-Copyright1: Permission granted for electronic reproduction as Usenet News or email only. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brandon Fosdick wrote: > Walter Brameld wrote: > > (The following information was provided by Christopher Holden and > > Martin Minkus. I'm just putting it all together). > > > > Thanks to the above-mentioned, I am no longer using my SBLive! card for > > a paper-weight. So far I have only used it to play CD sound and mp3 > > files, so on performance your mileage may vary. Anyway, here > > is a step-by-step of what I did: > Eureka!!! It works on my 4.0 box. Not sure how to play cd's so I haven't > tried that yet. I added device sbc to my kernel and I still get the DAC > not ready message. > > Any idea when this will be included in the 4.0 sources? Just FYI, guys, but there's prelimary support for the SB Live from Cameron Grant in -current. Most likely it'll be MFC'd to 4.0 when it has had some shakeout. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:19: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F2337BECC; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA07698; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Matt Heckaman Cc: Mikhail Teterin , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote: > I had this problem, installed the rsaref port *after* the make world and > it worked like a charm. I do have another problem though, everytime I run That shouldn't be necessary. Nothing in the base system should be getting explicitly linked against librsaref or require it to be present at compile-time - the library is dynamically loaded at runtime if required. > a make world, my /etc/make.conf gets modified in ONE specific way, my line > that says USA_RESIDENT=YES is changed to USA_RESIDENT=NO, it's driving me > crazy. No idea. You're right that nothing during make world should be touching that file. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:23:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331F837C286; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA08051; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: "Sean O'Connell" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openssl broken in 4.0? In-Reply-To: <200004072203.SAA01371@mail.virtual-estates.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Well, I can still successfully use fetchmail linked against the port's > openssl to retrieve e-mail from this same server on one of my machines. Do me a favour and run: nm /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.a | grep RSA_eay_public_encrypt If it returns anything then you built the non-US version of OpenSSL which explains why the port behaves differently. > So, if this is not some new limitation that the bundled openssl has > versus the openssl installed by port, it is not the source of my trouble > :( There shouldn't be any functional differences, of course modulo bugs. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 16:58:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (mail-1.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A8E37C1EB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@otter.cc) Received: from otter.cc (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19115; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EDCDA0.48EEA3E6@otter.cc> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:59:28 -0400 From: Otter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frank@exit.com Cc: Brandon Fosdick , Walter Brameld , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO References: <200004072317.QAA05831@realtime.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Frank Mayhar wrote: > > Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > Walter Brameld wrote: > > > (The following information was provided by Christopher Holden and > > > Martin Minkus. I'm just putting it all together). > > > > > > Thanks to the above-mentioned, I am no longer using my SBLive! card for > > > a paper-weight. So far I have only used it to play CD sound and mp3 > > > files, so on performance your mileage may vary. Anyway, here > > > is a step-by-step of what I did: > > Eureka!!! It works on my 4.0 box. Not sure how to play cd's so I haven't > > tried that yet. I added device sbc to my kernel and I still get the DAC > > not ready message. > > > > Any idea when this will be included in the 4.0 sources? > > Just FYI, guys, but there's prelimary support for the SB Live from Cameron > Grant in -current. Most likely it'll be MFC'd to 4.0 when it has had some > shakeout. > -- > Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Frank, that's what started this whole mess. I wanted to be helpful, so I wrote a HOWTO on how I got my SB Live working in -current and made it available to a few folks. I just assumed, since the branch from 4.0 was recent, that the sound drivers would be pretty much the same. Don't take me out to the tree for my hanging. I know it was a mistake to assume. I can assure you that it won't happen again. After seeing that Martin got his working in 4.0, but gave the steps he had to take to get the end result, I now feel like asshole extraordinaire. On the same note, it's shown several people that it DOES work. Depending on how bad you want it, you might want to run -current. 'cmon... everyone's doing it! ok.. so much for peer pressure. As for my add of the sbc line, it's the replacement for snd. I used this pcm/sbc combo for support of my AWE64 before I tried the SB Live. After I see that the waves have settled, I'll go back and re-write my HOWTO, and will probably end up wiping out a drive from another machine this weekend, just so i can go through the process of a 4.0 install and finalizing this once and for all. I apologize for all the confusion it may have caused. Now go enjoy your newly supported device! -Otter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 18:43: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF837BF54 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id DAA26561; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:30:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from naddy@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10883; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:48:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:48:08 +0200 From: Christian Weisgerber To: Ferdinand Goldmann Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ksh ? Message-ID: <20000408014808.F650@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <8clj0b$2ga$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 12:57:18AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ferdinand Goldmann: > Er.... were can one download this ominous source package... Go to http://www.kornshell.com/ and follow the indicated links leading into the bowels of the AT&T monster. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 19:33:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (fw1.inet.tele.dk [193.163.158.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC637BBCC for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebeer@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) Received: from localhost (freebeer@localhost) by fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12870 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:33:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebeer@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK: freebeer owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:33:26 +0200 (CEST) From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS AN INFLUX OF CONTUMELIOUS FINKS X-Sender: freebeer@fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK Reply-To: Freebsd@netscum.dk To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: openssh/libssh looks b0rkened, or something Message-ID: X-Pedophile: [x] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just snarfed the latest cvsup an hour ago, and noticed a whole buncha checkouts in the crypto sources. Went ahead and continued an aborted buildworld I had started yesterday, but it seems to bomb when referring to crypto/openssh/match.h cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -DTERMIOS -DANSI_SOURCE -DNO_IDEA -I/usr/src/secure/lib/ librsaintl/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto -I/usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/librsain tl -DL_ENDIAN -DDEVRANDOM=\"/dev/urandom\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/librsai ntl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/secure/lib/librsaintl/../../ ../crypto/openssl/crypto/rsa/rsa_intlstubs.c -o rsa_intlstubs.So building shared library librsaINTL.so.1 ===> libssh make: don't know how to make /usr/src/secure/lib/libssh/../../../crypto/openssh/ match.h. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/secure/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Grabbing the newest from cvsup.internat reveals nothing new. I don't see anything obvious in /usr/src/secure/lib/libssh causing it to fail, but I haven't looked too hard thx, flffy -- *** This was posted with the express permission of *** ****************************************************** ** HIS HIGHNESS KAAZMANN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** ****************************************************** ********* We are simple servants of his will ********* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 19:54: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (fw1.inet.tele.dk [193.163.158.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BE537BC9B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebeer@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) Received: from localhost (freebeer@localhost) by fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12893; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:53:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebeer@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK: freebeer owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:53:48 +0200 (CEST) From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS AN INFLUX OF CONTUMELIOUS FINKS X-Sender: freebeer@fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK Reply-To: Freebsd@netscum.dk To: Matt Heckaman Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: How stable is the ATA code? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Pedophile: Jawohl! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Apr 19100, Matt Heckaman wrote: > And to add one of those annoying "me too" posts, ME TOO!!~!@!@!@! I thought I recalled seeing this discussion well before anything like this happened to me... > ad0 and acd0 work fine, ad1 does not. It bombs with the following error: > > ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0ata0-slave: WARNING: WAIT_READY > active=ATA_ACTIVE_ATA > ad1: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status=59 error=04 > ad1: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode > ad1: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0 Except that my setup worked fine, until today, and it's working fine again now, after I got the above messgae... I have only a single drive connected as ad0, and I was using it yesterday under 4.0 mounted as /usr/obj with no problems. I had used it beofre that under 3.4 for the same, but I don't remember the steps I went through to get to 4.0 yesterday. Well, I powered down my machine (which has a da0 root drive with both 3.4 and 4.0 available) after no problems, then powered it up just an hour or so ago, booting straight into 4.0. Then I proceded to try and mount /dev/ad0s1f on /usr/obj, got an I/O error, and noticed the above on the console. After boggling at this for a while and realizing I was getting nowhere in continuing my buildworld without /usr/obj, I decided to boot into 3.4 to see if it had problems with the disk, or if I had a new doorstop. Worked fine under 3.4, so back into 4.0, where it again worked fine with fdisk, disklabel, and finally mount. So... If you want more info, that I can provide, although I would probably first verify it's a problem I can reproduce by powering up into 4.0, and that it doesn't happen when going from 3.4 into 4.0, which I have not tested apart from this one time that failed. This kernel is just over a day old now, and my `me too' post has a happy ending for the moment, I guess... details on request, otherwise consider this a datapoint-me-too yrz, barry bouwsma -- *** This was posted with the express permission of *** ****************************************************** ** HIS HIGHNESS KAAZMANN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** ****************************************************** ********* We are simple servants of his will ********* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 20: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CE337BC1A; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA25360; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Freebsd@netscum.dk Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openssh/libssh looks b0rkened, or something In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, BARRY BOUWSMA IS AN INFLUX OF CONTUMELIOUS FINKS wrote: > Went ahead and continued an aborted buildworld I had started > yesterday, but it seems to bomb when referring to crypto/openssh/match.h Restart the buildworld cleanly (i.e. blow away /usr/obj to be sure and make world from scratch) - if the source code changes from underneath a partially completed buildworld you're bound to get problems. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 20:13:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (mail-1.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541C237B64A; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@otter.cc) Received: from otter.cc (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11143; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EDFB69.3E7CBB1D@otter.cc> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:14:49 -0400 From: Otter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frank@exit.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 HOWTO References: <200004080030.RAA06933@realtime.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Frank Mayhar wrote: > > Otter wrote: > > Frank, that's what started this whole mess. I wanted to be helpful, so I > > wrote a HOWTO on how I got my SB Live working in -current and made it > > available to a few folks. I just assumed, since the branch from 4.0 was > > recent, that the sound drivers would be pretty much the same. Don't take > > me out to the tree for my hanging. I know it was a mistake to assume. I > > can assure you that it won't happen again. After seeing that Martin got > > Whoa! No one is criticizing you, least of all me. My email was just an > FYI, just in case you weren't aware that Cameron was already working on > such a driver. If you want to duplicate work, that's perfectly all right > with me. > -- > Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ umm... i wasn't claiming to duplicate anyone's work. Most of all, I'd like to tip my hat to Luigi and Cameron, for the the working code to use my SB Live card.... and also Seigo for documenting the pcm info (man pcm)! This was mainly a claim that "it's working on my machine". When I said I got it to work, I did not mean to say that I was the one doing development... just trying to get the word out that there is a working driver for owners of that particular card. You can find me on IRC sometimes, unable to count the number of times i've seen the question, "Does FreeBSD support my SB Live?" For those of you who have seen the HOWTO i wrote, i've asked the webmaster that it be modified to reflect it is for 5.0 only. To redeem myself, I intend to write one up for 4.0 users sometime this weekend, if all goes well. I plan to install 4.0 on another machine and take notes on my sound card support installation sometime tomorow. -Otter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 21:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DC537B831; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org (surry-pool-160.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.160] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20664; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:51:48 +1000 From: Danny To: JMS Internet , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unable to delete a file Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:55:16 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.3.1.2.20000406235428.02c9af00@mail.jmsinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040914563603.00323@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As root you can press ESC it will help you delete files with spaces On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, JMS Internet wrote: > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type > here) > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > cd: Too many arguments. > > Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. > Thank You, > Jason Scott > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 7 23: 4:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CE5337BD60 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 8833 invoked by uid 211); 8 Apr 2000 06:02:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:32:12 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Danny Cc: JMS Internet , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unable to delete a file Message-ID: <20000408113212.C8679@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <4.3.1.2.20000406235428.02c9af00@mail.jmsinternet.com> <00040914563603.00323@freebsd.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00040914563603.00323@freebsd.freebsd.org>; from dannyh@idx.com.au on Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 02:55:16PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As root you can press ESC it will help you delete files with spaces That will work only if you already have the first character uniquely. To get a space, put a backslash before it. That is, type /users/ftp/incoming/\ (with a space at the end) and hit ESC twice and the entry should complete (or with bash or tcsh, hit tab, or type the whole thing out explicitly backslashing each space). > > > On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, JMS Internet wrote: > > Someone has logged into my system via anonymous FTP and uploaded a > > directory or file of a large size which I can not seem to delete either via > > FTP or telnet. The complete name as listed by 'du' is: > > /users/ftp/incoming/ .x /for JUSTiSO/by KradLrobR/ (file of some type > > here) > > When I try to cd to this directory I get: > > cd: Too many arguments. > > > > Anyone's help would greatly be appreciated. > > Thank You, > > Jason Scott > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 0:25:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1BE37B51F for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gshapiro@gshapiro.net) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e387PES08956; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:25:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14574.57050.338526.158436@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Tobias Roth , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail 8.10.0 In-Reply-To: <200004021934.MAA55371@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <200004021934.MAA55371@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.2 (beta31) "Hygeia" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cy.Schubert> I believe that Sendmail 8.10.0 is slightly broken. In tests, Cy.Schubert> unless I did something wrong, SuperSafe does not create queue Cy.Schubert> files in mqueue, instead queueing in memory. So, in the case Cy.Schubert> of a system crash mail would be lost. To see for yourself, Cy.Schubert> install 8.10.0 and run a long running cron job (must be cron Cy.Schubert> not at/batch) and notice that no queue files are created until Cy.Schubert> enough output has been created. 8.9.3 creates queue files Cy.Schubert> regardless of the amount of output spooled. This is intentional, a benefit of the new buffered file I/O system. However, it is still safe in that sendmail will not accept responsibility for the message (either by responding to the final '.' during the SMTP DATA phase or by exiting with EX_OK from the command line) until the message is either delivered to the destination (DeliveryMode=Interactive) or safely (including fsync()'ed) on disk (all other DeliveryMode's). In fact, 8.10.0 is safer than 8.9.3 in that it has does some extra steps to make sure the meta-data is sync'ed as well for those running with softupdates turned on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 3:35: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from borg-cube.com (226-193.adsl2.avtel.net [207.71.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A22837B849; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Received: from locutus.borg-cube.com (locutus.collective.borg-cube.com [192.168.0.1]) by borg-cube.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14761; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000408032709.00b4be60@mail.borg-cube.com> X-Sender: dburr@mail.borg-cube.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:34:50 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Donald Burr of Borg - http://www.borg-cube.com/" Subject: Need help getting USB to work on my laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG System Details: Laptop - AMS Roadster 151CT (OEM: Mitac 5033) Intel Triton 430TX chipset AMD K6-2/333 MHz CPU, 64 MB RAM, 6.0 GB toshiba HD BIOS: SystemSoft BIOS v1.20 (this is the latest version available from the website) OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE (cvsupped just this evening) OK, here's the problem: I'm trying to get USB going on this laptop. I'd like to be able to plug in a USB mouse to the thing, as well as using an aue driver-based Ethernet adapter (specifically, the D-Link DSB650TX) with this machine. I inserted the usb lines exactly as described in LINT, and recompiled. Everything compiled allright. However, when I reboot the system, I get this: uhci0: irq 0 at device 1.2 on pci0 uhci0: Invalid irq 0 uhci0: Please switch on USB support and switch PNP-OS to 'No' in BIOS Hrm. The BIOS does *not* have an "enable/disable USB" option, nor does it have any options to assign I/O, IRQ, etc. Neither does my BIOS have an "enable/disable PnP" option. (Yes, SystemSoft BIOS sucks. Sigh.) On a hunch I popped in a spare laptop hard drive I had lying around, and installed a fresh 3.4-RELEASE on to it. Added USB into a kernel config file and compiled. This time, I get something even worse: the machine panic's, does not even boot up! Needless to say, Windows 98 and Windows 2000 see the USB port fine. I can plug in my USB mouse and happily use it, and I can use the USB ethernet under Win98, with the drivers supplied by D-link. And when I check the Device manager thingie, the USB port *does* have an IRQ assigned to it -- IRQ 9. (Nothing else is using IRQ 9, and there appear to be no other IRQ conflicts.) Again, everything works fine in Windows-land. Anybody have any ideas? Or am I SOL? :( Any help gratefully appreciated. Please reply to me directly, and/or to freebsd-stable. Thanks! -- Donald Burr Resistance is Futile | FreeBSD: The WWW: http://www.borg-cube.com/ ICQ: UIN#16997506 | Power to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | Serve! http:// Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 3:52:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (fw1.inet.tele.dk [193.163.158.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6484F37B849 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fluffy@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) Received: from localhost (fluffy@localhost) by fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13427 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:52:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fluffy@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK: fluffy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:52:39 +0200 (CEST) From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS AN INFLUX OF CONTUMELIOUS FINKS X-Sender: fluffy@fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK Reply-To: Freebsd@netscum.dk Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openssh/libssh looks b0rkened, or something In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Best unstated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2412 Sep 1993, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Restart the buildworld cleanly (i.e. blow away /usr/obj to be sure and > make world from scratch) Drat, here I was hoping to save those 400+ minutes already spent... > - if the source code changes from underneath a > partially completed buildworld you're bound to get problems. So, if I may ask, where is it appropriate to use `make NOCLEAN=YES ...' for a bvuildworld? I was hoping this would handle the changed source files cleanly, but this wasn't one of those times... thamks, barry bouwsma (who, as it turns out, slept long enough to have a complete buildworld if I had been awake enough to remember to start it, but i wasn't) -- *** This was posted with the express permission of *** ****************************************************** ** HIS HIGHNESS KAAZMANN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** ****************************************************** ********* We are simple servants of his will ********* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 4:10:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C804F37B98E for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10688; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:11:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12dt8e-0004zJ-00 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:10:52 +0200 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:10:52 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openssh/libssh looks b0rkened, or something Message-ID: <20000408131052.A17691@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from fluffy@fluffy.gets.an.analprobe.dk on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 12:52:39PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 12:52:39PM +0200, BARRY BOUWSMA IS AN INFLUX OF CONTUMELIOUS FINKS wrote: > > - if the source code changes from underneath a > > partially completed buildworld you're bound to get problems. > > So, if I may ask, where is it appropriate to use `make NOCLEAN=YES ...' > for a bvuildworld? I was hoping this would handle the changed source > files cleanly, but this wasn't one of those times... The answer is simple: take the negative:-) OK so if the source code has not changed and the buildworld process is already past the bootstrapping and tool-building phase. You can see this if "Building everything" is present in your logs or scrolls by on your monitor:-) In all other cases, well... you have been warned... BTW buildworld takes about 4hrs on this machine (PII 233, 64M RAM) with RELENG_4 sources... kinda long:-( but I even managed to mix up the steps once and after buildworld finished, I blew /usr/obj before I did an installworld:-) (obviously, running low on sleep on that one) man, was I angry...:-)))) Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 7:46:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.menzor.dk (menzor.org [195.249.147.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF5037B552; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 07:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morten@seeberg.dk) Received: from sos (fw.micon.dk [195.249.147.131]) by www.menzor.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21579; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:06:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from morten@seeberg.dk) Message-ID: <014801bfa168$fc5e9170$d10ba8c0@sos> From: "Morten Seeberg" To: , , Subject: New info from Compaq regarding IDA RAID controllers Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:44:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Note: Every user of IDA controllers on FreeBSD please read :) ) Hi, I would have released this info 2 weeks ago, but my laptop with all my personal info and mails were stolen from me, and as you know, real men do do backup - until now! :) I had a talk with the Danish Compaq Storage representative, after complaining about the lack of support for configuring Smart-2 controllers in non-Compaq equipment. He told me that the reason for this is, that Compaq politics doesn´t allow for sale of Compaq RAID storage for use in non-Compaq systems. He also told me, that he was a firm believer that this would change within 6 months (according to things he heard internally), thereby solving our problem with configuring the controllers. Now as you will find on my website, older controller can be configured in non-Compaq systems (link below). Now I´ve been encouraging people to submit their systems to me, so that I can publish them on my website, and thereby show my Compaq friends that we really like their hardware :) Because of the loss of my laptop I´ve lost all mails from you guys running the hardware out there, before I had time to update the website. Please, if you run a FreeBSD system on a Compaq RAID controller, fill out the form on http://seeberg.dk/freebsd/idaraid I then promise that I will set the time off, that it takes to test 4.0 on my RAID controller, and update the website with all the new features implemented in BSD 4.0R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 8:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD42537B6DE for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for stable@freebsd.org id 12dwrz-000Ewo-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:09:55 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA46420 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:09:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:09:55 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: stable Subject: parallel port zip/ imm driver Message-ID: <20000408160955.A46382@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [reply to question about imm.o] The imm driver is the zip driver that works underneath vpo. It's not really a separate device, just a module under the zip structure. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 8:32: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CC1B37BAAB for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.52] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ea776598 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:31:42 -0400 From: Walter Brameld To: J McKitrick , stable Subject: Re: parallel port zip/ imm driver Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:30:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000408160955.A46382@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20000408160955.A46382@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040811312201.04401@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > [reply to question about imm.o] > > The imm driver is the zip driver that works underneath vpo. It's not really > a separate device, just a module under the zip structure. > > > jm Thanks for the info. That was about what I thought, but it's nice to get confirmation. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: And what does THIS button do?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 8:44:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B6737BA6D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12dxP3-000Ojf-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:44:05 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA46571; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:44:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:44:04 +0100 From: J McKitrick To: Walter Brameld Cc: stable Subject: Re: parallel port zip/ imm driver Message-ID: <20000408164404.B46382@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000408160955.A46382@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <00040811312201.04401@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00040811312201.04401@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain>; from brameld@twave.net on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 11:30:51AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 11:30:51AM -0400, Walter Brameld wrote: > On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, J McKitrick wrote: > > [reply to question about imm.o] > > > > The imm driver is the zip driver that works underneath vpo. It's not really > > a separate device, just a module under the zip structure. > > > > > > jm > > Thanks for the info. That was about what I thought, but it's nice to > get confirmation. I only remember because linux had an imm.o module for the zip drive. I was trying to find out what was wrong with 4.0, and even though there was no immediate answer, i found that imm is apparently part of the vpo device driver. I'm glad to see this problem is receiving some attention. Hopefully this might mean a solution is nearer. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 10:44:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from c292731-a.crvlls1.or.home.com (c292731-a.crvlls1.or.home.com [24.12.164.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B9E37BBB7; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gablek@chem.orst.edu) Received: from chem.orst.edu (c292731-a.crvlls1.or.home.com [127.0.0.1]) by c292731-a.crvlls1.or.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31452; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gablek@chem.orst.edu) Message-ID: <38EF7000.7BDAB933@chem.orst.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:44:32 -0700 From: Kevin Gable X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: CD problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have problems with cd's since upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0. I have two CD drives, one a CD-RW drive. The output from dmesg is: acd0: CD-RW at ata0-slave using PIO4 acd1: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 Problem 1: (This was mentioned recently in -current concerning an HP8100) Trying to write a CD on the HP 7500 leads to the following: burncd -f /dev/acd0c data backup0408.ISO fixate next writeable LBA 0 writing from file backup0408.ISO size 537592 KB written this track 537592 KB (100%) total 537592 KB fixating CD, please wait.. burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCCLOSEDISK): Input/output error The message log has the following after this: Apr 8 09:17:12 c292731-a /kernel: acd0: CLOSE_TRACK/SESSION - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Apr 8 09:17:12 c292731-a /kernel: acd0: PREVENT_ALLOW - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Problem 2: If I am foolish enough to have a disk in either of the drives when I boot, it is impossible to mount them. For acd0c I get "device busy" unless I do a umount -f /dev/acd0c, but at that point trying to mount gives me mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom mount:cd9660: .: Not a directory (Prior to the umount, df shows the disk is mounted, but ls /cdrom shows nothing.) If I ensure the drives are empty on boot, I can at least mount and read disks. I have tried this with several different disks. My drives both worked fine under 3.4 (grumble, grumble...) Help or advice would be appreciated. (I know, I know, I can always wipe my system and do a clean reinstall of 3.4, but that seems like a solution dreamt up by the boys in Redmond.) Thanks in advance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 10:51:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx.metasec.com (h-209-202-45-088.fast.escape.ca [209.202.45.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B65A337B6C1 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alm@METASEC.COM) Received: (qmail 638 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2000 17:51:36 -0000 Received: from zeus.metasec.com (192.168.5.5) by apollo.metasec.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 17:51:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Aaron Meihm To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Slow TCP traffic between 3.4-S and 4.0-S Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've recently upgraded on of the machines on our LAN to 4.0 stable from 3.4 stable. Following this, TCP network connections, notably FTP have become extremely slow, around 7.5k/s. Other machines on the network communicate with these two machines perfectly, but when they talk to each other problems arise. I've tried increasing the number of mbufs, with no luck. We're using the rl driver on the 4.0 stable machine, and the ed driver on the 3.4 stable. The 3.4 stable machine is being used as a gateway, and traffic running through the machine from the 4.0 is fine, only when they are talking to each other directly we get the slow down. Any advice would be appreciated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 11:15:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from corinth.bossig.com (corinth.bossig.com [208.26.239.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9218E37B84E for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@3-cities.com) Received: from 3-cities.com (unverified [208.26.242.114]) by corinth.bossig.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: <38EF7732.2BAAB314@3-cities.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:15:14 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Organization: Columbia Basin Virtual Community Project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Meihm Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow TCP traffic between 3.4-S and 4.0-S References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Aaron Meihm wrote: > > Hi, > > I've recently upgraded on of the machines on our LAN to 4.0 stable from > 3.4 stable. Following this, TCP network connections, notably FTP have > become extremely slow, around 7.5k/s. Other machines on the network > communicate with these two machines perfectly, but when they talk to each > other problems arise. I've tried increasing the number of mbufs, with no > luck. We're using the rl driver on the 4.0 stable machine, and the ed > driver on the 3.4 stable. The 3.4 stable machine is being used as a > gateway, and traffic running through the machine from the 4.0 is fine, > only when they are talking to each other directly we get the slow down. I had problems when I first installed 4.0 because the xl0 was defaulting to half-duplex. The fxp0 in the other system was running full-duplex through its switch. Adding the "mediaopt full-duplex" in rc.conf was required to solve the problem. Make sure both machines have the right ip address for each other so that reverse DNS works. That seems to be the most common reason for a transfer that slow. Kent > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ SETI(Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ HOME http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 12:36:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D027F37BEA1 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA53263 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:34:56 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:34:56 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow TCP traffic between 3.4-S and 4.0-S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi... I believe you'll notice that your 4.0-STABLE machine is defaulting to using FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES as defined in the /etc/login.conf file. This is the 'default' setting, which you can override if you change your environment variable appropriately or change that line in login.conf. Hope that helps. Cheers, Bryan On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Aaron Meihm wrote: > > Hi, > > I've recently upgraded on of the machines on our LAN to 4.0 stable from > 3.4 stable. Following this, TCP network connections, notably FTP have > become extremely slow, around 7.5k/s. Other machines on the network > communicate with these two machines perfectly, but when they talk to each > other problems arise. I've tried increasing the number of mbufs, with no > luck. We're using the rl driver on the 4.0 stable machine, and the ed > driver on the 3.4 stable. The 3.4 stable machine is being used as a > gateway, and traffic running through the machine from the 4.0 is fine, > only when they are talking to each other directly we get the slow down. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 13:47:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E6237B5D7 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12e28i-000IV4-00; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:47:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Bryan Bursey Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow TCP traffic between 3.4-S and 4.0-S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Bryan Bursey wrote: > Hi... > > I believe you'll notice that your 4.0-STABLE machine is defaulting to > using FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES as defined in the /etc/login.conf file. This > is the 'default' setting, which you can override if you change your > environment variable appropriately or change that line in login.conf. Except that active mode FTP is just as fast as passive mode FTP. > Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Bryan Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 13:48:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (mail-1.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F071437B5D7; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@otter.cc) Received: from otter.cc (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24906; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EEF255.FDFD4A6F@otter.cc> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:48:21 -0400 From: Otter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frank@exit.com Cc: Brandon Fosdick , Walter Brameld , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, diskiller@borg-cube.com, ghostrdr@defcon1.org, torqued@pobox.com Subject: Re: SBLive! on FreeBSD 4.0 & 5.0 HOWTOs References: <200004080030.RAA06933@realtime.exit.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2FEFDB8BF862C3E547A49F5D" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2FEFDB8BF862C3E547A49F5D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok gang... here's the delivery as I promised. I've split up the info for both 4.0 and 5.0 versions. I've tested both of these, and source references are in the text. I hope this helps owners of the SB Live! cards. I'm sending these to the webmasters of http://www.defcon1.org and http://defcon1.erudition.net for posting in case anyone needs them at a later date. Regards, -Otter --------------2FEFDB8BF862C3E547A49F5D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="sblive-4.x-HOWTO.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sblive-4.x-HOWTO.html"
Support for Your SBLive! Sound Card on FreeBSD 4.0

 First, I'd like to thank Luigi Rizzo and Cameron Grant for cranking out a
working pcm sound driver that supports the SB LIVE!, as well as Seigo
Tanimura for documenting their work in the pcm man page. Thanks guys!
 Second, thanks to Martin Miskin, Walter Brameld, and Frank for spanking
me on the mailing lists. My first HOWTO for the SB Live should not have had any
parts assumed. I was running 5.0-current and assumed that the pcm driver
would be about the same since the 5.0 branch from 4.0 was so recent. This
HOWTO is strictly for FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE (if you run -stable, YMMV) and
most of it was documented by Walter. I've installed 4.0-R just to
test the sound card to verify it works here too. Walter, thanks for the
input!

Now, on to the good stuff...

1) Make sure you have source files on your hard drive. Then:

cd /usr/src/sys/dev/sound/pci

Now add a few files to our present working directory that we just changed
to. Fetch the two files, emu10k1.c and emu10k1.h from:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/dev/sound/pci/

2) Edit emu10k1.c. Look for the following line (somewhere around line 1163):

codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, NULL, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd);

Remove the NULL entry. It should now say:

codec = ac97_create(dev, sc, emu_rdcd, emu_wrcd);

3) Place these files in /usr/src/sys/dev/sound/pci. You may also wish
to keep a backup so your first CVSUP doesn't flush them down the
toilet.

4) Edit /usr/src/sys/conf/files and insert the following line in the
appropriate place (alphabetically, around line 980):

dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci

5) Edit your kernel config file and make sure it has the following two
devices:

device pcm
device pci

6) Recompile your kernel and reboot. dmesg should show the following:

pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002) at 9.1

Cat /dev/sndstat should show:

FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 7 2000 13:12:21
Installed devices:
pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> at io 0xe400 irq 10 (1p/0r channels duplex)

or something similar, io and irq may vary.

7) Finally, make the sound device in your /dev directory:

/dev/MAKEDEV snd0

8) Reboot.

9) Start your favorite audio application. It's time to rock and roll.

Some people have reported "DAC not ready" errors and/or problems with the
AC_97 references. This HOWTO was tested on a clean ftp install of 4.0-R on
todays date, April 8, 2000. Good Luck with your system(s)!

-Christopher D. Holden
christopher.holden@sbt.siemens.com
 
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Support for your SB Live! Sound Card in FreeBSD 5.0 (April 7,2000)

This work is documented and tested from source code which was updated (via cvsup) on April 6, 2000. You can start the process by adding support in your kernel for devices pcm. Detailed info on building custom kernels can be found at

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig.html

So you can see what little I added to my kernel, here is my sound support:

                device pcm
                device pci

The last line is a generic driver required so that the programs we use will work with PCI configuration registers. The SB Live! cards are PCI. Make sure you have this device option in the kernel. No, I'm no wiz on this topic. I just pulled that from the first line of "man pci" to state its purpose. Now that we've got support in the kernel, we can complete rebuilding the kernel as needed. Let's move on to making our audio device.

                cd /dev

This is where I'm a little questionable to the exact step of "what to do". I had older legacy devices working in here before i got to this point. If I remember correctly, i think I did:

            ./MAKEDEV snd0

to get my audio device made. In my /dev directory, I do have the following which should help you in what to look for:

            kashmir# ls -la /dev/audio*
            lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 Feb 21 11:05 /dev/audio -> audio0
            crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 4 Feb 21 11:05 /dev/audio0

            kashmir# ls -la /dev/dsp*
            lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4 Feb 21 11:05 /dev/dsp -> dsp0
            crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 3 Apr 6 11:52 /dev/dsp0
            lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 5 Feb 21 11:05 /dev/dspW -> dspW0
            crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 5 Feb 21 11:05 /dev/dsp

            kashmir# cat sndstat
            FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 6 2000 10:54:54
            Installed devices:
            pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> at io 0xdc00 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex)

Now we need to check a file in the sound driver. Make sure that the SB Live! chipset is available to the pcm driver. Look in the file:

            /usr/src/sys/conf/files

by making sure that the line

            dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci

is NOT commented out in the file. OK. Save the file to the same name that you opened it as. And reboot!

Upon rebooting, watch your dmesg output. You should see something similar to:

            pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0
            pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002) at 12.1

If it went too fast, you can always do a

            /sbin/dmesg | grep pc or /sbin/dmesg | grep pcm

The latter will narrow down your report if you have other PCI devices.

Now put it to the test. Fire up your favorite audio application and crank up the music loud enough to upset the neighbors.

-Christopher D. Holden
christopher.holden@sbt.siemens.com --------------2FEFDB8BF862C3E547A49F5D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 14:30:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from adenine.frognet.net (adenine.frognet.net [204.192.96.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A33137BC6B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdybiec@frognet.net) Received: from frognet.net (dyn026-ts5a.athens.frognet.net [216.3.0.91]) by adenine.frognet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19134 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <38EF5CFB.BA3934A@frognet.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:23:23 +0100 From: Richard Dybiec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 15:31:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3957A37BCCF for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12e3kx-0006Nm-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:31:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:31:06 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.0 ATA on an old laptop failing Message-ID: <20000408183106.D19691@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Another 4.0 problem. I aquired an old NEC Versa/V50 this morning, to use as a quiet and cheap wavelan base station (it has two pcmcia slots). A quick/minimal 3.4-PAO install goes fine, seems to work well. I did an install via a pcmcia net card. 4.0 boots, I can find a set of IRQs/memory that gets pcmcia working then it scans devices and says on the DEBUG screen; ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status 51 error=04 ad0: reading primary partition stable: error reading fsbn: 0 ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 0 status 51 error=04 ad0: reading primary partition stable: error reading fsbn: 0 and then says it has no disk to install to. The ata man page on 4.0 doesn't indicate any flags or tweaks I can make to this ... or what the errors mean (other than the fact it can't read the partition table). I'm making the possibly rash assumption that the disk is ok, since FreeBSD 3.4 and windows 95 (which was on it when I bought it) both work fine with it. Erm, clues ? Help ? Any further debugging I can do ? P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 15:32:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A252A37B599 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.57.194]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD5D137FD0 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01697; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: PCCARD almost working, no IRQ. X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've looked around at the various resources... and I can't find out why my PCCARD (an ep0) can't find an IRQ. There are a number of IRQ's that are unused listed at the top of the pccard.conf file. I also had to adjust the address of the pccard controller card0 to 0xfcfc. It shows up as a PCI device pcic-pci0, but I have to hardwire the address to get it to probe. It does detect the insert and removal of the ep0 card, and that it is indeed a ep0, but it can't get an interupt. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 15:57:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAAB37BA2C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13607; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA23355; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004082257.QAA23355@harmony.village.org> To: David Gilbert Subject: Re: PCCARD almost working, no IRQ. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:32:28 EDT." <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> References: <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:57:21 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> David Gilbert writes: : I've looked around at the various resources... and I can't find out : why my PCCARD (an ep0) can't find an IRQ. There are a number of IRQ's : that are unused listed at the top of the pccard.conf file. Are only interrupts that aren't used listed in pccard.conf? Are you sure you are using pccard.conf and not .sample? If a used irq is listed in pccard.conf, it will fail. : I also had to adjust the address of the pccard controller card0 to : 0xfcfc. It shows up as a PCI device pcic-pci0, but I have to hardwire : the address to get it to probe. That's the most wacked out address I think that I've ever seen for a pcic device, and almost certainly wrong. : It does detect the insert and removal of the ep0 card, and that it is : indeed a ep0, but it can't get an interupt. If you say it works.. wow. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 16:27: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB30437B599 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id TAA74783; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:26:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200004082326.TAA74783@account.abs.net> Subject: Re: Troubles with network & buffers.. Any Ideas?? In-Reply-To: <38edcc1d.210305823@mail.sentex.net> from Mike Tancsa at "Apr 7, 2000 12:00:24 pm" To: Mike Tancsa Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 7 Apr 2000 02:12:12 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.misc you wrote: > >Anyway here is what I have done, hopefully this may shed some useful > >information, and if not I tried.. :) >=20 > Hmmm... Nothing obvious that I see. At this point, I would enable kernel > debugging, and when the box goes to panic/reboot, go into the debugger and > capture the output and post to the list. See=20 >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kerneldebug.html > on the details on what needs to be done, and how to capture it. >=20 > ---Mike Hello Mike, OK, well I setup to capture the info, as being old-faithful on crashes here is the information it provided according to the URL you sent me. If you need any other info just let me know, but this is now getting=20 to the point it's greek to me, so hopefully this means something to you.. :) GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain condition= s. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd". (kgdb) symbol-file kernel.debug Reading symbols from kernel.debug...done. (kgdb) exec-file /var/crash/kernel.0 (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 SMP 2 cpus IdlePTD 3096576 initial pcb at 27cfe0 panicstr: unknown/reserved trap panic messages: --- panic: unknown/reserved trap mp_lock =3D 00000001; cpuid =3D 0; lapic.id =3D 00000000 boot() called on cpu#0 syncing disks... 92=20 done Uptime: 11h28m47s dumping to dev #ad/0x20001, offset 128 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 368 367 366 365= 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 349 348 347 34= 6 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 330 329 328 3= 27 326 325 324 323 322 321 32= 0 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 304 303 302 3= 01 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286 285 284 283 = 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 267 266 265 264= 263 262 261 260 259 258 257=20= 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 241 240 239 238= 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 222 221 220 21= 9 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 203 202 201 2= 00 199 198 197 196 195 194 19= 3 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 177 176 175 1= 74 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159 158 157 156 = 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 140 139 138 137= 136 135 134 133 132 131 130=20= 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111= 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 = 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 = 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55= 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30= 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 = 2 1 0=20 --- #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 304 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 =3D rcr3(); (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 #1 0xc0139d80 in poweroff_wait (junk=3D0xc0255219, howto=3D-690731680) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:554 #2 0xc022449e in trap_fatal (frame=3D0xd8b11f58, eva=3D0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:926 #3 0xc0223e62 in trap (frame=3D{tf_fs =3D -659488744, tf_es =3D 16, tf_ds = =3D 65552,=20 tf_edi =3D -1077936752, tf_esi =3D 134742016, tf_ebp =3D -1077937096,= =20 tf_isp =3D -659480700, tf_ebx =3D 0, tf_edx =3D -1071157932, tf_ecx = =3D 1,=20 tf_eax =3D 16777217, tf_trapno =3D 29, tf_err =3D 0, tf_eip =3D -1071= 516360,=20 tf_cs =3D 8, tf_eflags =3D 642, tf_esp =3D -1071515962, tf_ss =3D 518= }) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:586 #4 0xc021f538 in MPgetlock_edx () #5 0x804ad47 in ?? () #6 0x8049539 in ?? () (kgdb) up 10 #6 0x8049539 in ?? () (kgdb) frame frame->tf_ebp frame->tf_eip No symbol "frame" in current context. (kgdb) list 299 EVENTHANDLER_INVOKE(shutdown_post_sync, howto); 300 splhigh(); 301 if ((howto & (RB_HALT|RB_DUMP)) =3D=3D RB_DUMP && !cold) { 302 savectx(&dumppcb); 303 #ifdef __i386__ 304 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 =3D rcr3(); 305 #endif 306 dumpsys(); 307 } 308 (kgdb) print tp No symbol "tp" in current context. (kgdb) print tp->t_line No symbol "tp" in current context. (kgdb) up Initial frame selected; you cannot go up. (kgdb)=20 Then it kind of dead-ended as "up" was getting me no place fast. Also for what it's worth the following files were in /var/crash: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2 Apr 8 15:44 bounds -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1870779 Apr 8 15:46 kernel.0 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root wheel 5 Feb 14 19:08 minfree -rw------- 1 root wheel 402587648 Apr 8 15:46 vmcore.0 With that I will kick it back to you to see where I have to go from here.. --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rr.com (rdu25-22-143.nc.rr.com [24.25.22.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B4E37B572 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@rr.com) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.dummynet. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03714 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:30:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:30:53 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: float-to-double core dump on 3.4R Message-ID: <20000408193053.A3689@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG #include main() { float f = FLT_MAX; double d; f = f * 2; d = f; } Delete the "d=f" line and it doesn't core. Put it in and it does (floating-point exception). From this it appears there may be a bug in the float-to-double promotion when f is Inf (or, at least I'd expect that f is Inf). Any comments? If not, I'll file the PR. Thanks, Randall Hopper To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17: 1:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rr.com (rdu25-22-143.nc.rr.com [24.25.22.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FF837B659 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@rr.com) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10858 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:49:52 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: float-to-double core dump on 3.4R Message-ID: <20000408144952.A10435@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG #include main() { float f = FLT_MAX; double d; f = f * 2; d = f; } Delete the "d=f" line and it doesn't core. Put it in and it does (floating-point exception). From this it appears there may be a bug in the float-to-double promotion when f is Inf (or, at least I'd expect that f is Inf). Any comments? If not, I'll file the PR. Thanks, Randall Hopper To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17: 4:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C98137B5CA for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.57.194]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74303137FD0; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08993; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:04:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14575.51440.267866.865188@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:04:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Warner Losh Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCCARD almost working, no IRQ. In-Reply-To: <200004082257.QAA23355@harmony.village.org> References: <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> <200004082257.QAA23355@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Warner" == Warner Losh writes: Warner> In message <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> Warner> David Gilbert writes: : I've looked around at the various Warner> resources... and I can't find out : why my PCCARD (an ep0) Warner> can't find an IRQ. There are a number of IRQ's : that are Warner> unused listed at the top of the pccard.conf file. Warner> Are only interrupts that aren't used listed in pccard.conf? Warner> Are you sure you are using pccard.conf and not .sample? If a Warner> used irq is listed in pccard.conf, it will fail. Well... I removed IRQ 10 because it was used by the card0 controller. I will reverify the list, tho. Warner> : I also had to adjust the address of the pccard controller Warner> card0 to : 0xfcfc. It shows up as a PCI device pcic-pci0, but Warner> I have to hardwire : the address to get it to probe. Warner> That's the most wacked out address I think that I've ever seen Warner> for a pcic device, and almost certainly wrong. Warner> : It does detect the insert and removal of the ep0 card, and Warner> that it is : indeed a ep0, but it can't get an interupt. Warner> If you say it works.. wow. I used this address because the pcic-pci0 device listed it. I remember having to set this last time I installed PAO on this laptop (likely 3.0 or 3.1 of PAO). I was just wondering why card0 couldn't pick up this PCI device. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17: 5:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rr.com (rdu25-22-143.nc.rr.com [24.25.22.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EB137BD1C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@rr.com) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05084 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:06:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:06:22 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: float-to-double core dump on 3.4R Message-ID: <20000408200622.A5031@ipass.net> References: <20000408193053.A3689@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000408193053.A3689@ipass.net>; from aa8vb@ipass.net on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 07:30:53PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG #include main() { float f = FLT_MAX; double d; f = f * 2; d = f; } Delete the "d=f" line and it doesn't core. Put it in and it does (floating-point exception). From this it appears there may be a bug in the float-to-double promotion when f is Inf (or, at least I'd expect that f is Inf). Any comments? If not, I'll file the PR. Thanks, Randall Hopper To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17: 8:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947D137B6BD for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troyml@prodigy.net) Received: from prodigy.net (MINNA010-0077.splitrock.net [209.255.72.77]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA127220 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <38EFC9DD.D3C7A9CA@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:07:57 -0500 From: Troy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Problem going from 3.stable to 4.stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been running 3-stable.. I decided to shoot for 4, give it a go. So I changed my cvsup supfile from RELENG_3 to RELENG_4 and fired it up. The supfile includes src-all, cvs-crypto, and ports-all. So after a couple hours when it finished I printed out UPDATING. Following said directions i typed 'make buildworld' where it proceeded to do it's thing until it gave me the following error message in surrounding context. Not being wise enough myself to determine the root of the problem I decided to consult the wise freebsd-stable list who are more knowledgeble than I on these things... Thank you for any help you may be in resolving my problem, look forward to hearing from you. Troy Lubbers Errors follow, >>> stage 2: build tools -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 build-tools cd /usr/src/bin/sh; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mkinit.c cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -static mkinit.o -o mkinit cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mknodes.c cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -static mknodes.o -o mknodes cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mksyntax.c cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -static mksyntax.o -o mksyntax cd /usr/src/games/adventure; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -traditional-cpp -c /usr/src/games/adventure/setup.c cc -static -O -pipe -traditional-cpp -o setup setup.o cd /usr/src/games/hack; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -fwritable-strings -I/usr/src/games/hack -I. -c /usr/src/games/hack/makedefs.c cc -static -O -pipe -fwritable-strings -I/usr/src/games/hack -I. -o makedefs makedefs.o cd /usr/src/games/phantasia; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -c -o cross-phantglobs.o /usr/src/games/phantasia/phantglobs.c cc -O -pipe -c /usr/src/games/phantasia/setup.c cc -static -O -pipe -o setup cross-phantglobs.o setup.o -lm cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools; make build-tools gperf -p -j1 -i 1 -g -o -t -G -N is_reserved_word -k1,3,$ /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/c-parse.gperf > c-gperf.h /* starting time is 18:54:39 */ /* ending time is 18:54:39 */ gperf -p -j1 -g -o -t -N is_reserved_word '-k1,4,7,$' /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/cp/gxx.gperf >gxx-hash.h /* starting time is 18:54:39 */ /* ending time is 18:54:39 */ ln -sf gxx-hash.h hash.h echo '#include "cp/cp-tree.def"' > gencheck.h echo '#include "objc/objc-tree.def"' >> gencheck.h echo '#include "auto-host.h"' > config.h echo '#include "gansidecl.h"' >> config.h echo '#include "i386/xm-i386.h"' >> config.h echo '#include "hwint.h"' >> config.h echo '#include "auto-host.h"' > hconfig.h echo '#include "gansidecl.h"' >> hconfig.h echo '#include "i386/xm-i386.h"' >> hconfig.h echo '#include "hwint.h"' >> hconfig.h echo 'static char *multilib_raw[] = { "aout maout;", "elf !maout;", NULL };' > multilib.h echo 'static char *multilib_matches_raw[] = { "maout maout;", "melf melf;", NULL };' >> multilib.h echo 'static char *multilib_extra = "";' >> multilib.h echo '#include "cp/lang-options.h"' > options.h echo '#include "f/lang-options.h"' >> options.h echo '#include "cp/lang-specs.h"' > specs.h echo '#include "f/lang-specs.h"' >> specs.h echo '#include "objc/lang-specs.h"' >> specs.h echo '#include "gansidecl.h"' > tconfig.h echo '#include "i386/xm-i386.h"' >> tconfig.h echo '#include "i386/i386.h"' > tm.h echo '#include "i386/att.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include "svr4.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include ' >> tm.h echo '#include "i386/freebsd.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include "i386/perform.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include ' >> tm.h cc -O -pipe -I. -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gencheck.c In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gencheck.c:22: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/system.h:353: conflicting types for `sys_errlist' /usr/include/stdio.h:225: previous declaration of `sys_errlist' /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/system.h:399: parse error before `PVPROTO' /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gencheck.c: In function `main': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gencheck.c:39: parse error before `ATTRIBUTE_UNUSED' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 17:19:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390F937B551 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13825; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA23973; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004090019.SAA23973@harmony.village.org> To: David Gilbert Subject: Re: PCCARD almost working, no IRQ. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:04:00 EDT." <14575.51440.267866.865188@trooper.velocet.net> References: <14575.51440.267866.865188@trooper.velocet.net> <14575.45948.284050.813029@trooper.velocet.net> <200004082257.QAA23355@harmony.village.org> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14575.51440.267866.865188@trooper.velocet.net> David Gilbert writes: : I used this address because the pcic-pci0 device listed it. I : remember having to set this last time I installed PAO on this laptop : (likely 3.0 or 3.1 of PAO). I was just wondering why card0 couldn't : pick up this PCI device. Because it is too stupid. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 19:43:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711CC37B865 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.57.194]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762D5137F72 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21718; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:43:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14575.61001.164212.921420@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:43:21 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3c589D followup, almost working. X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok... from my last message, we learned that the strange IO port of my pccard controller was 0xfcfc, and that the default irqs in /etc/pccard.conf are not for all people. I've corrected this. My laptop now recognises the card, does the DAD thing, and but from the link light on the card itself, it would appear that the driver turns it off almost immediately. Issuing ifconfig ep0 down; ifconfig ep0 up will make the light wink, but the card remains unable to communicate. There is something happening, because it will occaisionally report that it received a dhcp address, but a quick check of the interface right after this report shows that the address has not been assigned. If I manually configure ep0, I am not able to transmit ethernet packets... and down-up'ing the interface still only makes the link light flash (where it normally, under PAO 3.1 stayed on solid). Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 20:19:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFB137B5FB for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09695; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004090319.XAA09695@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14575.61001.164212.921420@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: David Gilbert Subject: RE: 3c589D followup, almost working. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Apr-00 David Gilbert wrote: > Ok... from my last message, we learned that the strange IO port of my > pccard controller was 0xfcfc, and that the default irqs in > /etc/pccard.conf are not for all people. I've corrected this. > > My laptop now recognises the card, does the DAD thing, and but from > the link light on the card itself, it would appear that the driver > turns it off almost immediately. Issuing ifconfig ep0 down; ifconfig > ep0 up will make the light wink, but the card remains unable to > communicate. > > There is something happening, because it will occaisionally report > that it received a dhcp address, but a quick check of the interface > right after this report shows that the address has not been assigned. > > If I manually configure ep0, I am not able to transmit ethernet > packets... and down-up'ing the interface still only makes the link > light flash (where it normally, under PAO 3.1 stayed on solid). Is it a combo card? If so, you might have to set the media for it to work right. > Dave. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 20:51:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123AF37B609 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25179 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04386; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200004090313.XAA04386@world.std.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 OpenSSH not working, cannot find RSAREF lib Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm having trouble with the new OpenSSH in 4.0 (both -release & -stable as of today, Saturday, 8 April). Here is the captured (& slightly edited) output from "ssh -v ." ---------------------------------------- SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.2, protocol version 1.5. Compiled with SSL. debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: ssh_connect: getuid 0 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to foo.bar.baz [nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn] port 22. debug: Allocated local port 1013. debug: Connection established. debug: Remote protocol version 1.5, remote software version 1.2.17 debug: Waiting for server public key. Warning: Server lies about size of server public key: actual size is 767 bits vs. announced 768. Warning: This may be due to an old implementation of ssh. debug: Received server public key (767 bits) and host key (1024 bits). debug: Host 'foo.bar.baz' is known and matches the host key. ** R_RandomInit: Unable to find an RSAREF shared library (librsaref.so). ** Install the /usr/ports/security/rsaref port or package and run this ** program again. See the OpenSSL chapter in the FreeBSD Handbook, located at ** http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html, for more information. ---------------------------------------- OS is FreeBSD 4.0, installed from CDs (supposedly having selected crypto) Friday, 7 April & brought to RELENG_4 (specifying src-all & cvs-crypto) Saturday, 8 April (today). I have read the abovementioned URL & so far still haven't been able to get it working. Even though there appears to be a RSAREF tarball on CD 1, /stand/sysinstall does not indicate that (ie. in packages) & it does not appear in the INDEX. Ports also seem to not realize that I (supposedly) have this on CD (it only tries ftp). What am I doing "wrong" and/or do I need to do to fix this? Is this something that needs to be addressed in (for example) errata? Previously I have been using both ssh1 & ssh2 (not installed from ports) & they've always worked fine. Also, will ssh2 play nicely with OpenSSH? Naturally, FAQ/doc/book pointers are quite welcome... Thanks, -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 21:16: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254D537B69C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13550; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 OpenSSH not working, cannot find RSAREF lib In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:13:52 EDT." <200004090313.XAA04386@world.std.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:13:41 -0700 Message-ID: <13547.955253621@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm having trouble with the new OpenSSH in 4.0 (both -release & > -stable as of today, Saturday, 8 April). /usr/ports/security/rsaref Make and install it. Pretty straight-forward. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 21:52: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7218437B5BF; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@office.tor.velocet.net) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.57.194]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D71137FD5; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32037; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:52:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14576.3183.904934.50640@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:51:59 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: 3c589D followup, almost working. In-Reply-To: <200004090319.XAA09695@server.baldwin.cx> References: <14575.61001.164212.921420@trooper.velocet.net> <200004090319.XAA09695@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "John" == John Baldwin writes: [about my 3c589D card troubles] John> Is it a combo card? If so, you might have to set the media for John> it to work right. The media is set to 10BaseT/UTP, and resetting or changing the value back and forth doesn't change things. It does make the light flash, but no more or less than a down/up change. From past experience, this card displays a solid light on it's rj45 jack housing when it is "on" ... Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 8 23:14: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B6237B5BF; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21500; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17999; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200004090613.AAA17999@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: David Gilbert Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 3c589D followup, almost working. In-Reply-To: <14576.3183.904934.50640@trooper.velocet.net> References: <14575.61001.164212.921420@trooper.velocet.net> <200004090319.XAA09695@server.baldwin.cx> <14576.3183.904934.50640@trooper.velocet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [about my 3c589D card troubles] > > John> Is it a combo card? If so, you might have to set the media for > John> it to work right. > > The media is set to 10BaseT/UTP How do you know? At least with the older driver, different versions of the card required different link flags, despite what was set in the EPROM. Try doing a: ifconfig inet ... -link0 link1 *or* ifconfig inet ... link0 -link1 and see if it acts normally. Also, I've noticed that sometimes it won't switch correctly 'on the fly', and I need to remove, modify the settings in /etc/rc.conf, and then re-insert the card to have it 'do the right thing'. (I've got the link settings in my ifconfig_pccard line so I can easily switch between the different network settings...) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message