From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 4:56:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADAC37B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:56:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f2PCuYq08453 ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA47583 ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:56:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:56:30 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Message-ID: <20010325145630.H43051@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 01:32:45AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Mar 24, 2001 at 01:32:45: > I need a shell account; minimally, it needs to be able to run > "elm", so I can get at my email from work or from home, without > it having to be POP'ed off, and become inaccessible, unless I > bring a work machine home or a home machine to work. In other > words, I need to be able to get to a single shell, regardless of > whether I am dialing up from home or the road, or telnet'ing in > from work or a borrowed machine. > > I would like it if I could run traceroute, nslookup, and whois, > as well, so that I can do directional diagnostics from another > point on the net, when I'm having local connectivity trouble > somewhere with a leased line link. It would be annoying, but I > can live without that, if I can just get a shell account with > elm access. Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a suitable provider for proper shell access. I'm not sure whether elm supports it; I know mutt has good support for it. I think most ISP's would support it too. Your mail stays on the server, while your mail client runs on your local machine and accesses the remote mailbox. You can read, delete, do whatever you like to the remote mail which you would normally do to your local mail. So you can access the same mailbox from either home or office. However, your mail aliases, and your mail client configuration files, usually sit on the local machine; so you'll need to sync those whenever you make changes. -Rahul. -- /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ #define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1 ,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9 ^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j= 127;++jy)a^=a>>14,a=a>>8^(y=a^a*8^a<<6)<<9,b=b>>8^(z=b^b/8^b>>4^b>>12) <<17,i=s[j],i="7Wo~'G_\216"[i&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[i>>4]*2^i*257/8,s[j]=i^(i &i*2&34)*6^z+c+~y;}} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 5:10: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-43.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682CC37B718 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C6F7D66EA5; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:09:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:09:58 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Greg Lehey Cc: Tony Finch , Dan Langille , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010325050958.A40596@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: > > Dan Langille wrote: > >> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: > >>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > >>>> > >>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > >>> > >>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illit= eracy > >>> of the general media > >> > >> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's alwa= ys > >> been termed F&T around here. > > > > "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. >=20 > I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to > present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it > happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally > presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No > prizes for guessing who helped me. You probably should credit the source, which is apparently dcowart@cog.ufl.edu http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=3D2&id=3D3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 Kris --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6ve4mWry0BWjoQKURAhljAKC9R0kdRNqBuH8yYBbdNBUD9X1ouQCgygGS zQgyxBeKm684eTKwgYuRk8c= =wUQ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 12:48:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (inch.demon.co.uk [194.222.223.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232DA37B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14gHfF-0000in-00; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:50:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:50:57 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Terry Lambert Cc: Mark Murray , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at> References: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: >> >> You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more >> than one commonwealth :-) > >Not any more, it fell; Dylan Hunt is still in the process >of rebuilding it, the last time I heard anything about it. Er, I was referring to various Eastern US states. What are you talking about? Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@covalent.net dot@dotat.at GERMAN BIGHT: EAST OR SOUTHEAST, BECOMING CYCLONIC IN SOUTH LATER, 4 OR 5 INCREASING 6, OCCASIONALLY 7 FOR A TIME. RAIN. MODERATE OR POOR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 14:40: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-43.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CA237B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B5C366CD2; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:40:01 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tony Finch Cc: Terry Lambert , Mark Murray , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010325144001.A46018@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at>; from dot@dotat.at on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:50:57AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:50:57AM +0000, Tony Finch wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > >>=20 > >> You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more > >> than one commonwealth :-) > > > >Not any more, it fell; Dylan Hunt is still in the process > >of rebuilding it, the last time I heard anything about it. >=20 > Er, I was referring to various Eastern US states. What are you talking ab= out? The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan "Mullet" Hunt, who was accidentally sent 300 years into his future and is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems Commonwealth). The production values are pretty dodgy, but there have been a few good moments. Kris, ashamed to admit he watches that show. --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6vnPBWry0BWjoQKURAv74AKDkFVDYSq7n0nGNMf8sIknQrGyPzwCfTsMM WMM7Xdrp0pGivEXdPFrwEes= =YDtA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 15: 2:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA0937B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E986AB63; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:31:28 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:31:28 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Tony Finch , Dan Langille , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010326083128.F73508@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010325050958.A40596@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010325050958.A40596@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:09:58AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: >>> Dan Langille wrote: >>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy >>>>> of the general media >>>> >>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always >>>> been termed F&T around here. >>> >>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. >> >> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to >> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it >> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally >> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No >> prizes for guessing who helped me. > > You probably should credit the source, which is apparently > > dcowart@cog.ufl.edu > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html. That's the only link to this page. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 15: 4:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-43.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABC237B71B for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:04:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8EF4A66B3C; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Greg Lehey Cc: Kris Kennaway , Tony Finch , Dan Langille , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010325150426.A51421@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010325050958.A40596@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010326083128.F73508@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010326083128.F73508@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:31:28AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:31:28AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: > >>> Dan Langille wrote: > >>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > >>>>> > >>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the ill= iteracy > >>>>> of the general media > >>>> > >>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's al= ways > >>>> been termed F&T around here. > >>> > >>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. > >> > >> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to > >> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it > >> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally > >> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No > >> prizes for guessing who helped me. > > > > You probably should credit the source, which is apparently > > > > dcowart@cog.ufl.edu > > > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=3D2&id=3D3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 >=20 > I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html. > That's the only link to this page. Except for all of the web-based email/news archives, now ;-) Kris --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6vnl5Wry0BWjoQKURArhwAJ4rI1N1PXkIrIxOIWqnPqXGq4YXgwCeLLyE i2VstT/Bq0oTxAk6zNMY8CY= =TlJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 15:11:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F74637B71B for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C5B56A918; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:41:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:41:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Tony Finch , Dan Langille , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010326084145.A40349@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010325050958.A40596@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010326083128.F73508@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010325150426.A51421@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010325150426.A51421@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:04:26PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 15:04:26 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:31:28AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: >>>>> Dan Langille wrote: >>>>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy >>>>>>> of the general media >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always >>>>>> been termed F&T around here. >>>>> >>>>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. >>>> >>>> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to >>>> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it >>>> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally >>>> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No >>>> prizes for guessing who helped me. >>> >>> You probably should credit the source, which is apparently >>> >>> dcowart@cog.ufl.edu >>> >>> http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 >> >> I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html. >> That's the only link to this page. > > Except for all of the web-based email/news archives, now ;-) *sigh* Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 16: 1:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089F537B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2Q00sc24825; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:00:54 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010325145630.H43051@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> <20010325145630.H43051@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:58:58 +0200 To: Rahul Siddharthan , Terry Lambert From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 2:56 PM +0200 3/25/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had > security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than > telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a > suitable provider for proper shell access. Keep in mind that virtually all providers I know of that support IMAP will also support POP on the same boxes. Indeed, it's a lot harder to get them to support IMAP if they already support POP than the reverse. I believe that both Cyrus and UW IMAP packages come with a POP3 server in the box, and I know that UW IMAP is fully compatible with virtually all mailbox formats out there, which means you should be able to easily run it on a machine that already has an existing POP server implementation. So, what it comes down to is that this should not be a factor that should need to be considered. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 17: 8: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18E137B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B7881239A93; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:07:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:07:59 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Terry Lambert Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Message-ID: <20010325170759.C77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 01:32:45AM +0000 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-03-24 01:32 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > So... I am now looking for a BSD/non-fixed-access friendly ISP. Terry, Take a look at sonic.net. Their shell is RH Linux, but they are a friendly, locally-owned ISP with a very good service record. If you search groups.google.com for sonic.net in the ba.internet group, you'll see that several employees, including Dane Jasper, the CEO and co-founder, are semi-regular posters. Brett's suggestion of rahul.net also seems to be a good one. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 17:11: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4237B718 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3FE37239A93; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:11:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:11:06 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at> <20010325144001.A46018@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010325144001.A46018@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 02:40:01PM -0800 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-03-25 14:40 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan > "Mullet" Hunt, who was accidentally sent 300 years into his future and > is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems > Commonwealth). Kris, I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture? http://www.fandomshop.com/movies/features/scooby030901.html Greg :) -- Gregory S. Sutter "I think not," said Descartes... mailto:gsutter@zer0.org and promptly disappeared. http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 19:13:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from irina.super.nu (irina.super.nu [216.169.108.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468BA37B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas@championville.org) Received: from telocity (dsl-64-194-31-97.telocity.com [64.194.31.97]) by irina.super.nu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA20336 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01c0b5a2$0c707580$2801a8c0@telocity.com> From: "Thomas Champion" To: Subject: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:08:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C0B55E.EB7A7BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C0B55E.EB7A7BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable auth 0c786145 subscribe freebsd-chat thomas@championville.org ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C0B55E.EB7A7BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
auth 0c786145 subscribe freebsd-chat thomas@championville.org ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C0B55E.EB7A7BC0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 19:21:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA3037B718 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nc.rr.com) Received: from tbird-850-win2k ([66.26.61.48]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:26:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:30:15 -0500 From: Neill Robins X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Neill Robins X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <157102906541.20010325203015@nc.rr.com> To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-reply-To: <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at> <20010325144001.A46018@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sunday, March 25, 2001, 8:11:06 PM, you wrote: GS> On 2001-03-25 14:40 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> >> The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan >> "Mullet" Hunt, who was accidentally sent 300 years into his future and >> is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems >> Commonwealth). GS> Kris, GS> I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture? GS> http://www.fandomshop.com/movies/features/scooby030901.html GS> Greg :) Nope, that is the guy from the "Scream" series of movies (the tall guy playing Shaggy, I assume you are thinking of. The other is Freddy Prinze Jr.) Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if I am not mistaken). Later, -Neill freebsd@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 19:25:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB6E37B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:25:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2Q3Oef22315; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:24:41 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103260324.f2Q3Oef22315@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Neill Robins Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:24:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <157102906541.20010325203015@nc.rr.com> References: <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote: > Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his > "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if > I am not mistaken). Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules.... [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born] -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 19:25:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picard.skynet.be (picard.skynet.be [195.238.3.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D9D37B71B for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by picard.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2Q3PWb03990; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:25:32 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> <20010323025057.B386@hand.dotat.at> <20010325144001.A46018@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:49:58 +0200 To: Gregory Sutter , Kris Kennaway From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 5:11 PM -0800 3/25/01, Gregory Sutter wrote: > I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture? > > http://www.fandomshop.com/movies/features/scooby030901.html No. According to , that is Matthew Lillard. See for more pictures of him. According to , Kevin Sorbo is a much wussier Nancy-boy who spent three years modeling. ;-) Heck, according to , he was such a wuss that he couldn't even beat out Dean Cain for the TV Series "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" (see for more info on it). ;-) ;-) You can go to to see more pictures of Kevin Sorbo. However, I can't blame you for getting the two confused. They do look quite a lot alike. I'm just not sure who should be more offended by your original question -- Kevin Sorbo that he would be in such a wuss movie like "Scooby Doo", or Matt Lillard that you would mistake him for Kevin Sorbo. ;-) -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 20: 7:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4633B37B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nc.rr.com) Received: from tbird-850-win2k ([66.26.61.48]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:07:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:08:30 -0500 From: Neill Robins X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Neill Robins X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <100112401594.20010325230830@nc.rr.com> To: "Dan Langille" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-reply-To: <200103260324.f2Q3Oef22315@ns1.unixathome.org> References: <20010325171106.D77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> <200103260324.f2Q3Oef22315@ns1.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote: DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote: >> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his >> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if >> I am not mistaken). DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules.... DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born] Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television! Where in NZ, by the way? Later, -Neill freebsd@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 25 20:18:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF2937B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2Q4INf22590; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:18:23 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103260418.f2Q4INf22590@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Neill Robins Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:18:23 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <100112401594.20010325230830@nc.rr.com> References: <200103260324.f2Q3Oef22315@ns1.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Mar 2001, at 23:08, Neill Robins wrote: > Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote: > > >> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his > >> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if > >> I am not mistaken). > > DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules.... > DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born] > > Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought > they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television! Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays... > Where in NZ, by the way? The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast. The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta . The are the same people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will be in Wellington. I hope so. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 0:59:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C96037B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f2Q8xAq75741 ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:59:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA87510 ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:59:07 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brad Knowles Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Message-ID: <20010326105907.B86822@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> <20010325145630.H43051@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 01:58:58AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles said on Mar 26, 2001 at 01:58:58: > At 2:56 PM +0200 3/25/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had > > security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than > > telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a > > suitable provider for proper shell access. > > Keep in mind that virtually all providers I know of that support > IMAP will also support POP on the same boxes. Indeed, it's a lot > harder to get them to support IMAP if they already support POP than > the reverse. I believe that both Cyrus and UW IMAP packages come > with a POP3 server in the box, and I know that UW IMAP is fully > compatible with virtually all mailbox formats out there, which means > you should be able to easily run it on a machine that already has an > existing POP server implementation. > > So, what it comes down to is that this should not be a factor > that should need to be considered. I'm not sure I follow that. If it's harder to get them to support IMAP when they support POP, it's harder for you to use IMAP. An IMAP server must be running at their end. You can't use IMAP on your mail client if they only have a POP server. Still, I suppose a shell account is preferable, because you can access it even when you're travelling and don't have your own laptop with you. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 4:20:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482A437B71B for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2QCJIc18524; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:19:19 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010326105907.B86822@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> <20010325145630.H43051@lpt.ens.fr> <20010326105907.B86822@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:15:31 +0200 To: Rahul Siddharthan From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:59 AM +0200 3/26/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > I'm not sure I follow that. If it's harder to get them to support > IMAP when they support POP, it's harder for you to use IMAP. > An IMAP server must be running at their end. You can't use IMAP on > your mail client if they only have a POP server. Right, but if you go looking for places that have IMAP support, they'll almost certainly also have POP support. The converse is not necessarily true. > Still, I suppose a shell account is preferable, because you can access > it even when you're travelling and don't have your own laptop with > you. For what he wants, a shell account is certainly required. Everything else is on top of the shell account, so that should be the first thing he's looking for. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 4:47:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5416F37B71D for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nc.rr.com) Received: from tbird-850-win2k ([66.26.61.48]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:44:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:48:53 -0500 From: Neill Robins X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Neill Robins X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <38143623860.20010326074853@nc.rr.com> To: "Dan Langille" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-reply-To: <200103260418.f2Q4INf22590@ns1.unixathome.org> References: <200103260324.f2Q3Oef22315@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103260418.f2Q4INf22590@ns1.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sunday, March 25, 2001, 11:18:23 PM, Dan Langille wrote: DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 23:08, Neill Robins wrote: >> Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote: >> >> >> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his >> >> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if >> >> I am not mistaken). >> >> DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules.... >> DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born] >> >> Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought >> they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television! DL> Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays... My roommate used to watch it fairly often, then Xena, for obvious reasons. >> Where in NZ, by the way? DL> The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just DL> told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast. Well, it looks absolutely beautiful from the pictures I've seen, mostly on the internet. I actually have a friend in Sydney who said that if I could ever make it out, she would take me to NZ touring, and I believe Auckland was one of the main points of interest. DL> The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta DL> . The are the same DL> people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta DL> are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director DL> and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the DL> LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally DL> enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the DL> first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will DL> be in Wellington. I hope so. Yeah, I have seen the trailer when I saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and it looks like it may be good (compared to some of the crap they churn out nowadays). And speaking of LOTR, here is a humourous clip: http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrlow.mov for 160x http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrhigh.mov for 240x If you have the time to download one, it is pretty good, although it may be slow. Have a good one. -Neill freebsd@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 8: 5:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.tor.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9972837B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ddavid@ican.net) Received: from dialin-159-89.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.159.89] helo=david.thecafe.ca) by mail1.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 14hZUp-0006Yc-05 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:05:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:06:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032611060400.00288@david.thecafe.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, seeing as this is a tad OT, I decided to post to chat here: I've been doing some searching around the Net for small time surfing boxes and came across the "NIC". I was wandering if anyone has had any experience with these and if there are any compatability issue's ( I already assume the modem is of no use being a win-modem presumably) I'm also looking too find out about the reliability of the unit's seeing as they are relatively new, and if anyone has used them or are useing them, what there thoughts are for useing them as a stand alone cheap surfing box. Also, if anyone has links too similar type's of unit's i'd be most gratefull, modem's are not as important as ethernet, seeing as everything will be running on a LAN. oh, and if not already obvious, ability to work with FreeBSD is of most concern. Thanks David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 10:49: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C4337B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15020; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:48:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326114451.00e78f00@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:48:42 -0700 To: David , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability In-Reply-To: <01032611060400.00288@david.thecafe.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been working with a fellow who finally got disgusted and sent his back. It has NO hard drive; it boots Linux from a CD-ROM. And it's a brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell! This user couldn't even get the system to execute a login script when it dialed, so that it could log into a university computer network. He gave up and shipped it back. He can get a more functional used laptop for less. Don't know how reliable the hardware is. It might possibly work with FreeBSD, but you'd have to do a stripped-down PicoBSD-like kernel for it. If you're looking for small, simple boxes, there are likely to be better ways to go. I'd dump the CD-ROM for a small hard disk myself. --Brett At 09:06 AM 3/26/2001, David wrote: >Well, seeing as this is a tad OT, I decided to post to chat here: > >I've been doing some searching around the Net for small time surfing >boxes and came across the "NIC". I was wandering if anyone has had any >experience with these and if there are any compatability issue's ( I >already assume the modem is of no use being a win-modem presumably) > >I'm also looking too find out about the reliability of the unit's >seeing as they are relatively new, and if anyone has used them or are >useing them, what there thoughts are for useing them as a stand alone >cheap surfing box. > >Also, if anyone has links too similar type's of unit's i'd be most >gratefull, modem's are not as important as ethernet, seeing as >everything will be running on a LAN. > >oh, and if not already obvious, ability to work with FreeBSD is of most >concern. > >Thanks > >David > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 11: 3:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [63.145.197.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E3737B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14hcGh-0006ax-00; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:03:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326114451.00e78f00@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote: > brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell! http://localhost/cgi-bin/launchapp?/usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt (according to http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue82/4475.html) Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 11:20:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.tor.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BEF37B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ddavid@ican.net) Received: from dialin-155-77.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.155.77] helo=david.thecafe.ca) by mail2.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 14hccP-0002X7-04; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:25:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David To: Brett Glass Subject: Re: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:21:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326114451.00e78f00@localhost> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326114451.00e78f00@localhost> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032614210701.00680@david.thecafe.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 26 March 2001 13:48, Brett wrote: > It has NO hard drive; it boots Linux from a CD-ROM. And it's a > brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell! I'm not really concerned about the lack of a hard drive, I guess i should have mentioned that to start, I'm looking for 10-15 wee little surfing boxes like this strickly for surfing (and cheap) and possibly setting up a server for file storage etc.. later on. So something to this effect would be ideal. as for a shell, according to this story here: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue82/4475.html it is possible to bring a shell and to check out the system and any editing that you would like to do. This story is how i came across the NIC in the first place. > Don't know how reliable the hardware is. It might possibly work with > FreeBSD, but you'd have to do a stripped-down PicoBSD-like kernel > for it. :-) this is the first thing that came across my mind reading up on it.... I think it would be fun trying to make up a bootable FreeBSD cdrom for this thing. With only 64MB of ram, I think possibly another 64MB's would be required, and with no hard drive, i guess some sort of "swap across the network" would be necessary, is this even possible? > If you're looking for small, simple boxes, there are likely to be > better ways to go. I'd dump the CD-ROM for a small hard disk > myself. I would imagine this would be the best way to go, mind you I was wondering if this might not be the "safest or securest way" when these boxes will be for a public surfing terminal. Maybe add a few more programs across the network if required along with file storage etc. Cheers David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 14:36:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A9337B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:36:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17418; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:36:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326153518.04495500@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:36:19 -0700 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326114451.00e78f00@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interesting. None of their tech support people knew that, or would admit to knowing that if they did. My guess, though, is that they just didn't know.... All but one asked me what a "shell" was. --Brett At 12:03 PM 3/26/2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote: > >> brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell! > >http://localhost/cgi-bin/launchapp?/usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt >(according to http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue82/4475.html) > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://www.reedmedia.net/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 17:21:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F3D37B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2R1LIf29116; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:21:19 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103270121.f2R1LIf29116@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Neill Robins Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:21:17 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <38143623860.20010326074853@nc.rr.com> References: <200103260418.f2Q4INf22590@ns1.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26 Mar 2001, at 7:48, Neill Robins wrote: > DL> The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just > DL> told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast. > > Well, it looks absolutely beautiful from the pictures I've seen, > mostly on the internet. I actually have a friend in Sydney who said > that if I could ever make it out, she would take me to NZ touring, and > I believe Auckland was one of the main points of interest. Well don't concentrate on Auckland. Most tourist concentrate on the south island. That's where the big mountains, glaciers, rain forests, plains, etc are. Depending on what interests you, different areas will be liked by different people. > DL> The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta > DL> . The are the same > DL> people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta > DL> are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director > DL> and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the > DL> LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally > DL> enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the > DL> first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will > DL> be in Wellington. I hope so. > > Yeah, I have seen the trailer when I saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden > Dragon" and it looks like it may be good (compared to some of the > crap they churn out nowadays). And speaking of LOTR, here is a > humourous clip: > http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrlow.mov for 160x > http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrhigh.mov for 240x > If you have the time to download one, it is pretty good, although it > may be slow. Oh gawd some people have too much time! -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 22:50:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.tor.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC1537B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ddavid@ican.net) Received: from dialin-160-161.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.160.161] helo=david.thecafe.ca) by mail3.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 14hnJP-0006Ql-06 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:50:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Greetings Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:51:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032701511500.00807@david.thecafe.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone; It's been quite awhile, hope everyone's doing fine. I've been trying to get a handle on designing webpages using php and a database, and was wandering if someone might have some time to give a practical overview of actually "doing" it in real time. I ask because sometimes a non-technically educated older person needs a hands on demo to get the magical "click" happening up stairs. This would be for FreeBSD or even OpenBSD, and i would imagine a computer of some sort would be neccessary. The only thing i can offer at present would be too pick up the bill at a pizza place or even a fish restaurant for one's dining pleasure. Or for the more adventurous i could arrange a couple night's stay in Machu Picchu here: ( airfare not included :) http://www.bed42.com/gringobills/ or here's another example http://www.machupicchuperu.com/ hence the need for the practical demo 8-) Let me know if there are any willing takers. TIA David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 26 23: 5:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.tor.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC5837B71B for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ddavid@ican.net) Received: from dialin-160-161.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.160.161] helo=david.thecafe.ca) by mail2.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 14hnci-0002kY-04 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:10:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Previous Post " Greetings" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:06:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032702061103.00807@david.thecafe.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please disreguard my previous post, it was meant for another list. My only excuse being my have open eyelids preventing me from seeing what I'm typing :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 27 7:51:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8E137B71A; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:51:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2RFgFx41801; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:42:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:42:15 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Small hacker task Message-ID: <20010327164215.D40583@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7CZp05NP8/gJM8Cl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7CZp05NP8/gJM8Cl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have enough time to do this at the moment, so here's an outline for something I'd like to see written. Any takers? In a nutshell, I'd like to be able to send a message periodically to -questions, the newsgroups, and possibly -stable, about changes to the FAQ that have been made in the last week. =20 Given access to a complete CVS repo, and a date, this script should be able to spit out a list of questions that have changed (ideally using their ID in the FAQ, so we can construct links to them), and the revision in which that question changed (so that we construct CVSweb links to them). Access to the commit message associated with the change would also be useful. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --7CZp05NP8/gJM8Cl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrAtNYACgkQk6gHZCw343X7wgCfQ80DDZSkCYAGt+cuBWk5VGp2 wbMAoIuAjPiBKFvrs7qI4FxL1jH5NZw8 =tStQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7CZp05NP8/gJM8Cl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 27 8: 7:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from twister.domainfactory.de (twister.domainfactory.de [212.84.255.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 034D937B719 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@gizmo.quizbot.org) Received: (qmail 23730 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-140-204.arcor-ip.net (HELO gizmo.quizbot.org) ([145.253.140.204]) (envelope-sender ) by twister.domainfactory.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Mar 2001 15:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3AC0BAD4.F7BC2166@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:07:48 +0200 From: Robert Drehmel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small hacker task References: <20010327164215.D40583@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <20010327164215.D40583@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>, Nik Clayton wrote: > I don't have enough time to do this at the moment, so here's an outline for > something I'd like to see written. Any takers? > > In a nutshell, I'd like to be able to send a message periodically to > -questions, the newsgroups, and possibly -stable, about changes to the > FAQ that have been made in the last week. > > Given access to a complete CVS repo, and a date, this script should be > able to spit out a list of questions that have changed (ideally using > their ID in the FAQ, so we can construct links to them), and the > revision in which that question changed (so that we construct CVSweb > links to them). Access to the commit message associated with the change > would also be useful. I have some time left this week - so I am going to do it. :-) ciao, -robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 27 10:19:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4A837B719 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:19:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19317; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA9aaOPL; Tue Mar 27 11:15:53 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11555; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:19:14 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103271819.LAA11555@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! To: dan@langille.org Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:19:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd@nc.rr.com (Neill Robins), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200103260418.f2Q4INf22590@ns1.unixathome.org> from "Dan Langille" at Mar 26, 2001 04:18:23 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought > > they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television! > > Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays... I'm a big fan of Bruce Campbell, who appeared on both the Xena and Hercules series as "Autolycus, King of Thieves", who was showcased in the short lived series "Jack Of All Trades", which was a "Wild Wild West" spoof. He otherwise known for his roles in "The Evil Dead", "The Evil Dead II: Dead By Dawn", and "Army Of Darkness". Oh yeah, also Cleopatra 2525. He's an amazing comedic actor, IMO. There are a lot of Robert Tapert, Sam Raimi productions out there, including all three "Evil Dead" films, mentioned above, Darkman, Xena, Hercules, and the new CBS Series "American Gothic". They also did the M.A.N.T.I.S. pilot, and the action Western "The Quick and the Dead". Raimi executive produced "Hard Target" and "Timecop", and co-wrote "The Hudsucker Proxy". Reniassance pictures is Bruce Campbell, Robert Tapert, and Sam Raimi's production company. Personally, I think Hercules fell apart except as comedy, when they got rid of Anthony Quinn. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 27 11:13:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA6C37B718 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05159; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:11:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAbJaO5j; Tue Mar 27 12:11:29 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13173; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:12:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103271912.MAA13173@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Greetings To: ddavid@ican.net (David) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:12:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01032701511500.00807@david.thecafe.ca> from "David" at Mar 27, 2001 01:51:15 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's been quite awhile, hope everyone's doing fine. > > I've been trying to get a handle on designing webpages using php and a > database, and was wandering if someone might have some time to give a > practical overview of actually "doing" it in real time. > > I ask because sometimes a non-technically educated older person needs a > hands on demo to get the magical "click" happening up stairs. > > This would be for FreeBSD or even OpenBSD, and i would imagine a > computer of some sort would be neccessary. > > The only thing i can offer at present would be too pick up the bill at > a pizza place or even a fish restaurant for one's dining pleasure. > > Or for the more adventurous i could arrange a couple night's stay in > Machu Picchu here: ( airfare not included :) There are a couple of fair books on PHP. I suggest: Php Essentials (Prima Tech Linux Series) Julie C. Meloni ISBN: 076152729X I don't have this next one, but people seem to like it: MySQL/PHP Database Application Jay Greenspan, Brad Bulger ISBN: 0764535374 Unfortunately, most PHP documentation is lacking. I personally have no use for the books with the Red covers with the black and white photos. I also have yet to see a decent reference for displaying MIME content in a browser properly, without a lot of overhead, or a kludge class that the programmer rolled as an example for their book, but failed to fully flesh out. Also beware of books with licenses which don't permit you to use their example code in products. I've been tempted to write a PHP4 book that went into precise details about some of the more esoteric topics, but I would want to wait for a major release, so that it doesn't find itself immediately outdated. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 27 13:10:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [63.86.88.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8457537B71D for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF390755B; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77B41D89; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Terry Lambert Cc: dan@langille.org, Neill Robins , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-Reply-To: <200103271819.LAA11555@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: :> > Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought :> > they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television! :> :> Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays... : :I'm a big fan of Bruce Campbell, who appeared on both the Xena :and Hercules series as "Autolycus, King of Thieves", who was :showcased in the short lived series "Jack Of All Trades", which :was a "Wild Wild West" spoof. He otherwise known for his roles :in "The Evil Dead", "The Evil Dead II: Dead By Dawn", and "Army :Of Darkness". Oh yeah, also Cleopatra 2525. You left out The Adventures of Brisco County (Jr.?) Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 1:40:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3611237B718 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f2S9eJq28398 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:40:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA00751 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:40:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:40:17 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? Message-ID: <20010328114017.B96090@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this at all possible? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html -- /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ #define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1 ,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9 ^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j= 127;++jy)a^=a>>14,a=a>>8^(y=a^a*8^a<<6)<<9,b=b>>8^(z=b^b/8^b>>4^b>>12) <<17,i=s[j],i="7Wo~'G_\216"[i&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[i>>4]*2^i*257/8,s[j]=i^(i &i*2&34)*6^z+c+~y;}} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 2:41: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avarice.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260237B718 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: by avarice.riverstyx.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id D5DD92F2FB; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:40:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:40:51 -0800 From: Tani Hosokawa To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? Message-ID: <20010328024051.A17641@riverstyx.net> References: <20010328114017.B96090@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010328114017.B96090@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:40:17AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Of course it is. Fundamentally this is no different from a virus that can, for example, infect PE and DOS executables. Different file formats, different system calls, and that's all there is to it. On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:40:17AM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Is this at all possible? > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html > > > -- > /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ > /* */ > /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ > > #define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< > unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1 > ,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9 > ^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j= > 127;++jy)a^=a>>14,a=a>>8^(y=a^a*8^a<<6)<<9,b=b>>8^(z=b^b/8^b>>4^b>>12) > <<17,i=s[j],i="7Wo~'G_\216"[i&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[i>>4]*2^i*257/8,s[j]=i^(i > &i*2&34)*6^z+c+~y;}} > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 4: 6:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2837B722 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03900; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAYcaaNh; Wed Mar 28 05:02:49 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03324; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:06:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103281206.FAA03324@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? To: rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in (Rahul Siddharthan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:05:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010328114017.B96090@lpt.ens.fr> from "Rahul Siddharthan" at Mar 28, 2001 11:40:17 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is this at all possible? > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html Maybe if you had WABI or WINE installed. It would be hard for a virus to be executable on more than one platform at a time, unless it wasn't really a virus. Interpreted code would be easier. The fact that you have to explicitly click the thing leads me to believe that it's actually a bacterium, and they haven't magically solved the ANDF problem that computer science has been fighting ever since software started being distributed. More than likely, from the user participation requirement, it's something like a "Shockwave Flash" or similar bacterium. I also doubt the 100 bytes claim; it may go looking for it, but it's unlikely that it would be able to do something about it. There's also a very simple protection step that you could use to thwart most virus code, but it would drop much of the floor out from under the antivirus market: installed images, per VMS. In other words, require priviledges to be able to mark files as executable, and don't permit ordinary users the ability to do that. VMS wasn't quite as anal: it permitted images installed with priviledges, which permitted the linker to set the exec bit, when run on behalf of an ordinary user. I rather suspect that there are sufficient priviledge exploits in most (not all) versions of Windows to make this a dubious approach on platforms with known security compromises. Likewise, a CRC or MD5 hash, stored as kernel metadata, would not be capable of being easily compromised, as long as you had a seperate signature store with which to compare it: infected files simply would not run. People have also suggested that locally, you could change your system call entry points, which would render foreign executables nonviable. It's all an arms race, anyway. A bacterium could propagate as source code, where the compiled version exploited attacks against a remote system, and then compiled itself on the new target system, and was still capable of outputting its own source code (there are programs on the net that can take a program, and make it capable of spitting out its own source code). In one experiment I did, my code would propagate to a subset of the total targettable executable files in range, and only attach itself (as a self-decompressor) if the compression achieved plus the code attached was some other threshold smaller than the original file. When a modified file was run, it would decompress the original, and execute it with the same command line arguments and descriptors, while a child was forked and run in the background to go look for more files to treat. It would only run on systems where the actual file size and data segment size were not required to be the same; that change went into the 386BSD code in 1993 or so, since it's required to permit "uncore" to work for perl, emacs, LISP, etc.. Obviously, when I wrote this, I was living under some serious disk space, but not CPU time, restrictions. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 4:53:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fl_exchange.fl.dk (gw.fl.dk [193.88.152.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C42E37B71E for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bostergaard@siticom.com) Received: by fl_exchange.fl.dk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:50:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bryan_=D8sterg=E5rd?= To: 'Terry Lambert' Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:51:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Is this at all possible? >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html > >Maybe if you had WABI or WINE installed. > >It would be hard for a virus to be executable on more than one >platform at a time, unless it wasn't really a virus. The way this virus works, is as follows: It has one Linux ELF image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and = Windows PE files. It has one Windows PE image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and = Windows PE files. This doesn't mean the same file will be able to run under both Windows = and Linux, quite the contrary. So it's simple a Linux program capable of editing (infection) to = different executable formats, as well as a Windows program capable of the same. I hope this explanation clears up any confusion as to the possibility = of such a virus. As for spreading, Benny (the author of Winux) thinks that it should be = able to spread from Linux to Windows, as many users have a FAT (Windows) partition mounted, for exchanging data. As far as I know he haven't explained how the Windows version of Winux would spread to Linux. Bryan =D8stergaard bostergaard@siticom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 5:29:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9157337B71D for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SDTgf46627 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:29:43 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103281329.f2SDTgf46627@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:29:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Ottawa bound Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found out today that I'll be in Ottawa for most of April. Any interesting things going on there? -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 7:28: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8924137B718 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.2/8.11.3) id f2SFS5k17735 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:28:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:28:04 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Slow Download Performance of ftp.freesoftware.com! Message-ID: <20010328092804.D13519@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some reason, but I get terrible download performance from ftp.freesoftware.com. For other sites, my rates peak at greater than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky if I can get 5 KB/s. The load doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000 possible" right now). Anybody have an answer for or comments on this? Thanks, Bob -- Bob Willcox The reason we come up with new versions is not to bob@vieo.com fix bugs. It's absolutely not. Austin, TX -- Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 9:45:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEE037B725 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10183; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:44:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010328104318.0458c310@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:43:58 -0700 To: Rahul Siddharthan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010328114017.B96090@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not? The original Morris worm targeted both DEC and Sun. --Brett At 02:40 AM 3/28/2001, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >Is this at all possible? >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 13:41:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C12237B718 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19195; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:33:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAANFa4yL; Wed Mar 28 14:33:34 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12301; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:40:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103282140.OAA12301@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Virus targetting both Windows and Linux? To: bostergaard@siticom.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bryan_=D8sterg=E5rd?=) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com ('Terry Lambert'), chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in In-Reply-To: from "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bryan_=D8sterg=E5rd?=" at Mar 28, 2001 02:51:00 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The way this virus works, is as follows: > > It has one Linux ELF image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and Windows > PE files. > It has one Windows PE image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and Windows > PE files. > > This doesn't mean the same file will be able to run under both Windows and > Linux, quite the contrary. > So it's simple a Linux program capable of editing (infection) to different > executable formats, as well as a Windows program capable of the same. > > I hope this explanation clears up any confusion as to the possibility of > such a virus. I feel cheated. > As for spreading, Benny (the author of Winux) thinks that it should be able > to spread from Linux to Windows, as many users have a FAT (Windows) > partition mounted, for exchanging data. As far as I know he haven't > explained how the Windows version of Winux would spread to Linux. UMSDOSFS? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 19:29:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from modgud.nordicrecords.com (h21-168-107.nordicdms.com [207.21.168.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B25DC37B724 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwalton@acm.org) Received: (qmail 18288 invoked by alias); 29 Mar 2001 03:29:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18274 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 03:29:28 -0000 Received: from thinkpad770z.audioondemand.net (HELO thinkpad770z) (207.21.168.217) by mail.nordicrecords.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 03:29:28 -0000 From: "Dave Walton" To: Bob Willcox , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:28:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Slow Download Performance of ftp.freesoftware.com! Reply-To: dwalton@acm.org Message-ID: <3AC23B78.25710.18707EA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Willcox wrote: > > This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some > reason, but I get terrible download performance from > ftp.freesoftware.com. A.K.A. ftp.freebsd.org > For other sites, my rates peak at greater > than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky if I can get 5 KB/s. The load > doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000 possible" right now). > > Anybody have an answer for or comments on this? Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms per hop. It's horrible. I've been using ftp2.freebsd.org ever since. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 19:34:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C4737B724 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.2/8.11.3) id f2T3YZO53909; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:34:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:34:35 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Dave Walton Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow Download Performance of ftp.freesoftware.com! Message-ID: <20010328213435.H44006@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <3AC23B78.25710.18707EA@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AC23B78.25710.18707EA@localhost>; from dwalton@acm.org on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:28:56PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Indeed, ftp2.freebsd.org is _significantly_ faster. I'm getting greater than 160 KB/s throughput from it (vs. 2-3 KB/s from ftp.freebsd.org). Bob On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:28:56PM -0800, Dave Walton wrote: > Bob Willcox wrote: > > > > This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some > > reason, but I get terrible download performance from > > ftp.freesoftware.com. > > A.K.A. ftp.freebsd.org > > > For other sites, my rates peak at greater > > than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky if I can get 5 KB/s. The load > > doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000 possible" right now). > > > > Anybody have an answer for or comments on this? > > Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD > to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it > should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a > traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the > server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New > York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through > lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms > per hop. It's horrible. > > I've been using ftp2.freebsd.org ever since. > > Dave > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Willcox The reason we come up with new versions is not to bob@vieo.com fix bugs. It's absolutely not. Austin, TX -- Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 19:41:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9765D37B71D for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.11.1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2T3fcv69125; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:41:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:41:38 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: Dave Walton Cc: Bob Willcox , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow Download Performance of ftp.freesoftware.com! In-Reply-To: <3AC23B78.25710.18707EA@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Walton wrote: : :Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD :to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it :should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a :traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the :server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New :York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through :lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms :per hop. It's horrible. lightning.net seem to have poor peering. My connections to ghem are through level3.net and are quite fast. : David -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 28 23:38: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207A137B725 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03950 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2T7dDV99727 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:19:18 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Unicode, 8-bit cleanliness, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8, AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box, I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So, is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid? -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm - home page, resume, etc. http://www.cfcl.com/Meta/md_fb.html - The FreeBSD Browser email: rdm@cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 2:39:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web13602.mail.yahoo.com (web13602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7338A37B726 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bzdik@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010329080814.41357.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.119.1.53] by web13602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:08:14 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bzdik BSD Subject: How Scientific! To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.032801/210870525.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 15: 6:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEC737B71C; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:06:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3C93A239A95; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:06:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:06:43 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Carin Warming Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: logo Message-ID: <20010329150643.F77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, gsutter@zer0.org References: <00d001c0b852$ca955ff0$8a00080a@carat.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d001c0b852$ca955ff0$8a00080a@carat.dk>; from carin@warming.net on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:17:12PM +0200 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ over to the -chat list ] On 2001-03-29 15:17 +0200, Carin Warming wrote: > Hi there, > > My boyfriend is having the dsb-devil tattoo'ed om his shoulder. (Don't ask > :)) > > Do you have a more detailed picture of the devil standig still ? Carin, Here is the highest quality graphic of the standing daemon that I've seen: http://www.zer0.org/daemons/wc/standing_daemon.jpg Also, you and your boyf should know that it's a daemon, not a devil. Here's an explanation: http://www.daemonnews.org/199810/daemon.html I hope he enjoys his tattoo! Maybe you could get one as well. If you do, be sure to send a picture to ! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Only two things are infinite, the mailto:gsutter@zer0.org universe and human stupidity, and I'm http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ not sure about the former. hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD - Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 15:18:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F52737B718 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keichii@peorth.iteration.net) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9AECC59477; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:18:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:18:17 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unicode, 8-bit cleanliness, etc. Message-ID: <20010329171817.A21838@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , Rich Morin , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:19:18PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:19:18PM -0800, Rich Morin scribbled: | I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8, | AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box, | I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So, | is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid? Yes, FFS works cleanly with 8-bit except for the "/" character. The userland tools are a totally different thing though... -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@iteration.net | keichii@freebsd.org | | http://iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 15:43:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3B937B719; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:43:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936FF6AB60; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:13:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:13:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David O'Brien Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: TrimYourCc@NUXI.com Message-ID: <20010330091316.N36182@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010328125509.D83744@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010329090308.B34516@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010329082435.A31688@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010329082435.A31688@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:24:35AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat to escape the wrath of jkh] On Thursday, 29 March 2001 at 8:24:35 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > [Apologies to JKH for bugging him with more of this.] > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:03:09AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> mutt doesn't handle a Reply-To: the way you want when it's a group >> reply. > > Uh Greg, I _do_ use Mutt remember? No, I don't remember. I didn't know. > I'm the maintainer of /usr/ports/mail/mutt since the time I imported > version 0.30. You maintain a lot of things. Do you use them all on a regular basis? >> It seems that Ruslan's procmail script should do what you want. > > I said it doesn't and it doesn't. See my explanation of why it > doesn't. And if your procmail-FU is better than mine, please help > with coming up with rules that will DTRT. Well, I've put Ruslan's rule in my .procmailrc, and it's doing a great job for me. I thought some other people came up with ideas which might work for you. I personally keep all my mail in a single folder: over the years it's proven to be the only way I can keep control of my mail in a timely fashion. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 17:22: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BC937B720 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28679; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:21:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010329182020.0442e420@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:21:06 -0700 To: Bzdik BSD , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: How Scientific! In-Reply-To: <20010329080814.41357.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep, they sure know their stuff. The fourth most popular Linux distribution is... FreeBSD? --Brett At 01:08 AM 3/29/2001, Bzdik BSD wrote: >http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.032801/210870525.htm > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 20:58: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.registeredsite.com (mail1.registeredsite.com [64.224.9.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531E737B71E for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from mail.threespace.com (mail.threespace.com [216.247.134.44]) by mail1.registeredsite.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2U4vqp22861 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:57:52 -0500 Received: from CX1063714-B.threespace.com [65.14.36.167] by mail.threespace.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id A24B26E30122; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:57:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010329233441.017a4b20@mail.threespace.com> X-Sender: tech_info@mail.threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:39:45 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Re: How Scientific! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010329182020.0442e420@localhost> References: <20010329080814.41357.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You know, I see stuff like this all the time. CompUSA circulars often advertise the FreeBSD Power Pack in their section under the heading of "Linux Distributions" along with Red Hat and Corel. I actually considered mentioning the technical incorrectness of this to someone at CompUSA but on further consideration decided that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't mind seeing FreeBSD riding the coattails of Linux's increased popularity. Besides, when someone moderately technical asks me what FreeBSD is, I'm very likely to mention Linux somewhere in my explanation. My own first knowledge of FreeBSD came as a result of looking into various Linux distributions. --Chip Morton At 08:21 PM 3/29/2001, Brett Glass wrote: >Yep, they sure know their stuff. The fourth most popular >Linux distribution is... FreeBSD? > >--Brett > >At 01:08 AM 3/29/2001, Bzdik BSD wrote: > > > > >http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.032801/210870525.htm > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 21: 3:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB2737B718 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:03:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.11.1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2U53kN60492; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:03:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: How Scientific! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010329233441.017a4b20@mail.threespace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Technical Information wrote: : :I don't mind seeing FreeBSD riding the coattails of Linux's increased :popularity. Besides, when someone moderately technical asks me what :FreeBSD is, I'm very likely to mention Linux somewhere in my :explanation. My own first knowledge of FreeBSD came as a result of looking :into various Linux distributions. : :--Chip Morton : Indeed. I've gotten a leeast one person to use FreeBSD by answering the question "Is there a Linux distro that's easy to install, secure, and not a flaming piece of shit?" with "FreeBSD". Lent him my CDs, spent an hour explaining what he'd ha ve to do to get some piece of Linux binary software. FreeBSD has done a good of job of running Linux software as most of the Linux distros I've dealt with -- better than quite a lot of them. I don't know if that should make me happy or sad. David Scheidt -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 21:32:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1F737B71D for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14irWF-0001Xy-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:32:19 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2TM6tX82494 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:06:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Unicode, 8-bit cleanliness, etc. Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9a0blv$2ghl$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich Morin wrote: > I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8, > AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box, > I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So, > is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid? 8-bit cleanness is a given, considering that Europeans have used various single-byte 8-bit character sets (ISO 8859, KOI, etc) on FreeBSD for many years. The filesystem of course doesn't care, apart from '/' (directory separator) and '\0' (string terminator) it doesn't assign any meaning to particular characters. UTF-8's multi-byte nature *will* produce many cosmetic problems (e.g. ls(1) not aligning columns properly) throughout the system. More work on this is needed. Note that there's a freebsd-i18n list that deals with such issues. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 29 23: 8:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5CA37B718 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA92055 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2U79bV38330 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010329080814.41357.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010329080814.41357.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:57:40 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: How Scientific! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I find it amusing, on occasion, to tell folks that I run BSD/Linux. The peculiar thing about these religious wars is that all of the Unices (aka eclectic systems) are fishing from essentially the same ponds. They all use bind, sendmail, etc. The big differences have to do with the kernel, distribution models, and social engineering... -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm - home page, resume, etc. http://www.cfcl.com/Meta/md_fb.html - The FreeBSD Browser email: rdm@cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 4:35:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640D637B71C for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13503; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA6KaywA; Fri Mar 30 05:33:41 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA06280; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:35:10 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103301235.FAA06280@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Unicode, 8-bit cleanliness, etc. To: rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:35:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Rich Morin" at Mar 28, 2001 11:19:18 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8, > AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box, > I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So, > is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid? FreeBSD is _not_ 8 bit clean. Neither is being 8 bit clean, if it were, sufficient. Computational representation of Unicode data is either as 16 bit wchar_t instead of signed char data, or 32 bit wchar_t. Both wchar_t values are unsigned. The 32 bit type does nothing but waste space, since the people who whined about it have failed to allocate anything beyond the default code page in the 32 bit representation, which is all high bits 0, and all low bits equal to the 16 bit varies, which is to say ISO-10646. It seems that the complainers weren't coders. FreeBSD, and the programs on it, frequently use "char" instead of "unsigned char" to refer to character data. They also do pointer arithmatic, and other manipulation, which assume that character values are 8 bit. A common case is to attribute character data by using "the next size up" (16 bit shorts) to allow the data to be attributed. This usage really requires the definition of a larger type, which itself implies that a 32 bit wchar_t is unacceptable. Additionally, UTF-8 encoding is a problem. This is because in order to process the data for collation, etc. (even the simple sort of output by "ls" or a file borwser), it is _required_ to intern this data not as 8 bit clean character strings, but as unencoded wchar_t arrays. This is particularly problematic for external representation, as well, for things like pipe, tty, and other device data. Think "cat a b > c", or worse, a sed script, or think of the round trip requirement in your mounting a legacy KOI-8or ISO 8859-2 FS into a "Unicode" system using UTF-8 (quoted for obvious reasons of pseudo-truth of the label), or vice-versa. You can not expect the legacy system to perform the round-tripping of the data, which means you have to put it in the kernel. Finally, path names are permitted by POSIX to be 255 total characters. UTF-8 encoded character strings for 255 16 bit wchar_t characters vary from 255 to 1275 8 bit characters; this value goes to 2550 8 bit characters for 32 bit wchar_t. A FreeBSD system (any system) not capable of supporting a file name of this length, and using UTF-8 for path data renders these systems non-interoperable. It is much, much cleaner to co got 16 bit wchar_t for both internal and external representation, and deal with legacy issues with Os translation, rather than trying to jam legacy compatability by putting encoding and decoding, along with the externalization exceptions, into each and every program. All in all, I guess this says "FreeBSD doesn't have this worked out, but neither does Mac OS X, and Windows barely has it worked out, and is still fighting the legacy program issue". Windows, by the way, handles compatability by having an "old 8 bit" and "new 16 bit" namespace, and doing immediate binding (not late binding) of names between the namespaces; in other words, they bit the backward compatability bullet, and are eating the legacy application conversion on a program by program basis, as a problem for the program vendors to resolve. This type of thing becomes significantly easier, if you list out all the legacy issues, and decide on a standard strategy for how you are going to handle them. PS: The above totally ignores the tools problem of how you would go about representing statically initialized Unicode character data in programs. In particular, the XPG/4 soloution for this was the use of trigraphs; this was very much discouraged, with the stated preference being for the use of message catalogs for storing such strings. PPS: Nedless to say, this complicates "hello world"; the way Microsoft dealt with this problem (user programs with names that vary only by directory in which the executables exist) vs. the way X/Open (the source of XPG/3 and XPG/4) dealt with this problem (flat catalog namespace) are also very telling about thinking out the commercial implications of the problem. The Sun ([...]/com/sunsoft/machine/program/) also assume that there will be no local developers on the machine, since catalog installation by vendor requires root access, and can not be performed by ordinary users, and is also very telling. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 9:57: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44BB37B71B for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23889; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:56:44 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:56:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: Freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On 30-Mar-01 Jamie Jones wrote: > > http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm > > And once again, we manage to aim the gun straight at our feet, and fire! :-( > > "It has been brought to our attention that FreeBSD is not a Linux > distribution. The data was revised to exclude FreeBSD, and the numbers > above reflect the corrections. We apologize for the mistake." > > FreeBSD, the other white meat. Arg. Reminds me of the "We're Linux users and you're not; Go away." attitude... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 10:48: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bsdconspiracy.net (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05F737B71B; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from zaphod.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.35] helo=softweyr.com ident=wes) by bsdconspiracy.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14j3FQ-0006Cg-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:03:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3AC4D468.C4804E48@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:46:00 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kristin Ford Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD isn't Linux? References: <3AC40A4C.B3EACBEF@softweyr.com> <200103300901230430.00088D0C@smtp.evansdata.com> <3AC4CEC0.4198D7CD@softweyr.com> <200103301022100490.005285C3@smtp.evansdata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kristin Ford wrote: > > Hi Wes, > > We are working on restoring the FreeBSD data today. I believe that we have > decided to post the chart both with and without FreeBSD listed. Does that > seem acceptable? If not, let me know. That would be great. I'll share this with my compatriots, perhaps they'll leave you (and your inbox) alone. ;^) > Yes lots of feedback, Linux developers are a tough crowd!! And BSD developers even more so -- they're too used to getting lumped in with Linux, or just getting completely ignored. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 12:28:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5050037B71A for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2UKS8g88589 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010330122808Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:28:08 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm about to do two things I'll be very ashamed of later: 1. Publically admit that I watch "Survivor" (it's all my girlfriend's fault, I swear). 2. Woefully abuse the -chat mailing list for something utterly unrelated to FreeBSD. :) We've been watching this evil show for the last few weeks, desperately hoping like everyone else that the odious Jerri would either be voted off and/or simply fed to ravenous wild pigs, and of course, we've been cruelly disappointed so far. So it was with our usual cautious optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH! If anyone taped yesterday's show, I would be eternally grateful for a copy, a sledgehammer attack on my TiVo by said girlfriend also perhaps being averted. Thanks! I now return you to our regularly scheduled -chatter. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 12:43:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A562437B71D for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09906; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010330134205.048e3a30@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:42:52 -0700 To: Jordan Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? In-Reply-To: <20010330122808Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >So it was with our usual cautious >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH! That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 13:29:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aphex.newgold.net (durham0-128.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.0.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138AF37B71A for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmallett@newgold.net) Received: from localhost (jmallett@localhost) by aphex.newgold.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2ULSwG09040 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:29:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:28:50 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph Mallett To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Maybe someone here could help... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm tempted to ask this on one of the more technical lists, but since I know it's off topic and not related (directly) to FreeBSD, I'm thinking the _safest_ place to put it is here? In any case, I'm head developer, project coordinator, whatever, for xMach (www.xMach.org) which is based on Mach4 and Lites. I'm trying to find someone who is knowledgeable of FreeBSD device drivers or the Virtual Machine. Before today, Mach4 relied on Linux device drivers if you wanted anything other than a HD driver and an NE2k driver. I decided it was time they went. They were old, poorly written, etc., Linux device drivers (which meant they were GPL). As long as they were there, I'd keep relying on them and fixing them, each time feeling like we were a little too much GPL. So they're gone. I'm looking for someone who would be willing to put some FreeBSD device frameworks into the microkernel part of xMach, so that we can use existing FreeBSD device drivers. If anyone is willing to help, I'd appriciate an email or to talk to you on IRC (irc.newgold.net/#xMach). And if anyone is proficient with the workings of FreeBSD's VM, and the changes from when it was taken from Mach (all those years ago), I think it'd be really great (albeit not needed, per se) if someone could integrate some (or all) of a modern FreeBSD VM into xMach (again, the microkernel part, based on Mach4). If nobody wants to help, it'd cool, but I figured I'd at least give it a shot, as currently I'd like to continue to concentrate on integrating FFS+SoftDep, and a few other things I feel like I can competently do. Thanks for your time (and for distracting yourself from the usual business of -chat), /joseph -- Joseph Mallett jmallett@newgold.net +1 919 349 2976 www.newgold.net xMach: The proactively unbloated microkernel 4.4BSD-like operating system. www.xMach.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 14: 9:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1744037B718; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B3A34239A53; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:42 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: kford@evansdata.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Linux and FreeBSD in your study Message-ID: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin, I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions (). You have been extremely responsive to feedback from user communities, and have preserved scientific integrity by not simply erasing the FreeBSD data from the page. Your willingness to accept input and your interest in properly representing the data from your study are greatly appreciated. Regards, Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter The process of scientific discovery mailto:gsutter@zer0.org is, in effect, a continual flight http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ from wonder. --Albert Einstein hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 14:11: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDEA37B71B; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 066E1239A53; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:05 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: kford@evansdata.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD in your study Message-ID: <20010330141105.J77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org>; from gsutter@zer0.org on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 02:09:42PM -0800 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-03-30 14:09 -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > Kevin, > > I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent > actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions Kristin, I apologize for calling you "Kevin"! I experienced a slip of the mind. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Only two things are infinite, the mailto:gsutter@zer0.org universe and human stupidity, and I'm http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ not sure about the former. hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD - Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 21: 3:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (erie.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCAC37B71B for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f2V52xq52983; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:02:59 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Brett Glass Cc: Jordan Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Message-ID: <20010330210259.B52873@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <20010330122808Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010330134205.048e3a30@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010330134205.048e3a30@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > >So it was with our usual cautious > >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my > >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to > >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come > >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got > >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH! > > That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-) Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 21: 8:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E9837B71B for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:08:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.11.1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2V58PN28318; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:08:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:08:25 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: Josef Grosch Cc: Brett Glass , Jordan Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? In-Reply-To: <20010330210259.B52873@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Josef Grosch wrote: :On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: :> At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: :> :> >So it was with our usual cautious :> >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my :> >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to :> >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come :> >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got :> >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH! :> :> That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-) : :Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one :of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that :TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-) Surely JKH has his TiVo running under Linux emulation? -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 21:15:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aphex.newgold.net (durham0-128.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.0.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A5937B719 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmallett@newgold.net) Received: from localhost (jmallett@localhost) by aphex.newgold.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2V5FRR26015; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:15:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph Mallett To: Josef Grosch , Brett Glass , Jordan Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Scheidt wrote: > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Josef Grosch wrote: > > :On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > :> At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > :> > :> >So it was with our usual cautious > :> >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my > :> >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to > :> >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come > :> >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got > :> >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH! > :> > :> That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-) > : > :Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one > :of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that > :TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-) > > Surely JKH has his TiVo running under Linux emulation? that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16' in like the USER_AGENT field. And like, I asked Kirk McKusick to visit something on my site, and I saw a hit from his computer but like the useragent line jumped out at me and I was like 'WTF!' then someone reminded me =) It was most amusing at the time. > > -- > dscheidt@tumbolia.com > Bipedalism is only a fad. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > /joseph -- Joseph Mallett Security Specialist +1 919 349 2976 www.newgold.net josephm@ohsmeg.com jmallett@newgold.net xMach: The proactively unbloated microkernel 4.4BSD-like operating system. www.xMach.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 22:22: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAA737B71C for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([fec0::2e0:7dff:fe81:749d]) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jEjy-000E0Q-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:20:02 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2V6K1222317; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:20:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:20:01 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Joseph Mallett Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Message-ID: <20010331072001.E97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joseph Mallett wrote: > that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like > Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16' > in like the USER_AGENT field. And like, I asked Kirk McKusick to visit > something on my site, and I saw a hit from his computer but like the > useragent line jumped out at me and I was like 'WTF!' then someone > reminded me =) It was most amusing at the time. That's why I put sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null in /etc/rc.local. There's no way my browser is going to identify itself as Linux. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 23:12:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E976B37B719; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2V7CIH13615; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:12:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:12:15 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: "oldfart@gtonet" Cc: , Subject: RE: Donation For Earthquake Relief Work [moved] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Spoken like a true spammer. Spammers often defend their actions by saying > "you can always delete it." Well, that's just not good enough for me. It, > most certainly, WOULD help to limit posting to subscribers. It might not > stop all the spam but it would some. Personally, I'd like to see the lists > moved to a web bulletin board type forum. Then you don't get e-mails for > subjects that aren't of interest and you can browse and post (if > registered/subscribed) from any browser. The archives are nice but you can't > post without an e-mail account. Spammers prefer e-mail so using a forum > might even stop more spam. I'm pretty sure FreeBSD could handle a web based > forum :) ..an age-old discussion. Most of us don't have time to login to forums, etc., unfortunately. -C To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 3:20:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9DD37B718 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VBKBf80766 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:20:11 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103311120.f2VBKBf80766@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:20:09 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com? Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been receiving spam to various address, all off list, which looks like this: Received: from devel.omnilinux.com ([64.3.133.197]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V84Hf78654 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:18 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from wwwrun@devel.omnilinux.com) Received: (from wwwrun@localhost) by devel.omnilinux.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id AAA22913; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:04 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:04 -0800 Message-Id: <200103310804.AAA22913@devel.omnilinux.com> To: webmaster@freebsddiary.org Subject: Merlin Server released by Abriasoft Content-Type: text/plain From: Abriasoft Promo Reply-to: muditm@abriasoft.com X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P561C0.CNM Anyone else seen similar? -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 3:30:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A3437B71D for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14jJaJ-0000wN-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:30:23 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2VB3sP08070 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:03:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9a4dip$74i$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joseph Mallett wrote: > that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like > Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16' Hmm. Netscape-Tru64 doesn't do this. HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT alpha; Nav) No fiddling required. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 3:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picard.skynet.be (picard.skynet.be [195.238.3.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC2137B71C; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by picard.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2VBnx213294; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:49:59 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010331072001.E97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010331072001.E97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:49:37 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst , Joseph Mallett From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 7:20 AM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote: > sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null > sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null Surely you mean: sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) < /dev/null sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) < /dev/null instead?!? -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 4:32:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FE437B71E for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.cichlids.com) Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14jKYL-00023a-01; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:32:25 +0200 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.157.56.232]) by fmrl01.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14jKYJ-0Hxx7gC; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:32:23 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ED6AB44; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:32:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2A13A14BBE; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:32:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:32:17 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , jessemonroy@email.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: IQ tests (was: Re: Fwd: A Simple TCP Port Alarm) Message-ID: <20010331143217.H861@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alexander Langer , Poul-Henning Kamp , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , jessemonroy@email.com, chat@freebsd.org References: <59311.985604039@critter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <59311.985604039@critter>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 12:53:59PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Poul-Henning Kamp (phk@critter.freebsd.dk): > >Jeez, can't you stick to *one* address so I don't have to update my > >killfile every other week? > It works for me using the "IQ < 75" criteria... Btw, I recently did an IQ test for fun, and I got a result of ~65 or such. I found that quite amusing :-) Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 5:15:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52637B71D for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VDF4f81542 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:15:04 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103311315.f2VDF4f81542@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:15:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: any knowledge of ponte.com? Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any knowledge of http://www.ponte.com/ they'd like to share? -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 8: 3:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8027837B719 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([fec0::2e0:7dff:fe81:749d]) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jNlr-0003BW-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:58:35 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VFwZs33700; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:58:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:58:34 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Brad Knowles Cc: Joseph Mallett , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Message-ID: <20010331165834.L97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010331072001.E97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > At 7:20 AM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote: > >> sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null >> sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null > > Surely you mean: > > sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) < /dev/null > sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) < /dev/null > > instead?!? Err... no? Since when did sysctl try to read from stdin anyway? -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 10:47:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E78437B719; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:47:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2VIleq20577; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:47:40 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010331165834.L97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010331072001.E97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20010331165834.L97985@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:34:25 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [WAY OFF TOPIC] Argh! Did anybody tape survivor? Cc: Joseph Mallett , chat@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:58 PM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Err... no? Since when did sysctl try to read from stdin anyway? Sorry, my brain-o. I don't know how, but I somehow missed that "$(uname ... )" stuff in the middle. Sigh.... -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 11:14:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [63.145.197.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAAA37B71A for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14jQox-00044W-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:13:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com? In-Reply-To: <200103311120.f2VBKBf80766@ns1.unixathome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > I've been receiving spam to various address, all off list, which looks like > this: > > Received: from devel.omnilinux.com ([64.3.133.197]) by > ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V84Hf78654 for > ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:18 +1200 > (NZST) (envelope-from wwwrun@devel.omnilinux.com) > Received: (from wwwrun@localhost) by devel.omnilinux.com > (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id AAA22913; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 > 00:04:04 -0800 > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:04 -0800 > Message-Id: <200103310804.AAA22913@devel.omnilinux.com> > To: webmaster@freebsddiary.org > Subject: Merlin Server released by Abriasoft > Content-Type: text/plain > From: Abriasoft Promo > Reply-to: muditm@abriasoft.com > X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P561C0.CNM > > > Anyone else seen similar? Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I received, AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an article at my site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish an article at your site.) Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused to media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted). Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 12:25: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9F137B718; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13021; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2VKP2Q76882; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200103312025.f2VKP2Q76882@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dennis Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010331151458.0220ab10@mail.etinc.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9AD0@l04.research.kpn.com> <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9AD0@l04.research.kpn.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20010331151458.0220ab10@mail.etinc.com> Comments: In-reply-to Dennis message dated "Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:23:09 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1920427702P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:25:02 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1920427702P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [trying to move this off -hackers] If memory serves me right, Dennis wrote: > At 02:18 PM 03/31/2001, David O'Brien wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 08:49:55PM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > > > Its not a "proprietary tree". I dont have time to clean it up > > > and submit patches. > > > >But you do seem to have time to keep arguing with people??? > >I'm sure you'll have time to bitch again if 4.4 doesn't meet your needs > >because you didn't submit some patch you needed. > > Only because the same morons (like yourself) continue ad infinitum to post > your useless comments publicly. As they say, it takes two to tango. About ten messages ago you asked if someone could just let this thread die. Why don't you take the lead on this and be that person? I'm asking nicely and sincerely. That ought to count for something. Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1920427702P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6xj0e2MoxcVugUsMRAi7EAJ4tUXNnfivk054GgOIxydLEHQLQfQCfVYta oGxFkVwyrJ9NJjKO160WYEU= =OJIF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1920427702P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 13:24:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165B37B718 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VLO6f83641; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:24:14 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103312124.f2VLO6f83641@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:24:06 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200103311120.f2VBKBf80766@ns1.unixathome.org> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Mar 2001, at 11:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is > spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And > from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I received, > AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an article at my > site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish an article at > your site.) > > Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused to > media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate > receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted). Interesting. You don't consider it spam yet it was sent unsolicited.... I also received two copies, both to different addresses at freebsddiary.org. I consider both instances to be spam. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 14:47: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3F2A37B718 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: (qmail 55096 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2001 22:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.221.167) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 22:46:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3AC65E5E.56B1954D@uwi.tt> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:46:55 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan - Home Organization: COSTAATT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Email Abuse Question "X-Originating IP" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I examined some Hotmail emails that were originating with an abuser about a year ago and could not find the X-Originating IP in emails sent to windows or macs (I did view source in both cases). Is it that this header only shows up on Unix machines? I've noticed that everyone who has written to point this error out to me is a Unix user. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 18:11: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [63.145.197.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B3A37B719 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14jXKR-0004M6-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:10:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com? In-Reply-To: <200103312124.f2VLO6f83641@ns1.unixathome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > On 31 Mar 2001, at 11:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > > Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is > > spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And > > from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I received, > > AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an article at my > > site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish an article at > > your site.) > > > > Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused to > > media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate > > receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted). > > Interesting. You don't consider it spam yet it was sent unsolicited.... I > also received two copies, both to different addresses at > freebsddiary.org. I consider both instances to be spam. The emails I received were quite appropriate for my sites: We noticed that you provide information on open source software, and we would appreciate it if you consider Merlin Server for a review and/or a listing on your site. If you would like to write a product review, please let us know and we can provide you with a copy of the software. (I also receive emails from a lot of other PR agencies who also ask me to review their software, schedule interviews, etc. so I can publish news about them at my site.) I see your website has a lot of tutorials on Unix-related software; I see that your website has articles written by outside contributors. I assume that no one contributes articles to you, unless you ask them first (?). Everyone has different opinions of "spam". I removed you from the Cc -- because this email (if sent to you) would be unsolicited. (On a related note: the emails sent to several of my addresses in regards to the BSD website a couple weeks ago, I definitely consider as spam -- because it went to my private mailboxes. If had just been sent to my contact address for my BSD sites, I would have thought differently.) Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 31 18:23:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [63.145.197.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93B837B71B for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:23:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14jXWX-0004MZ-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:23:25 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Dale Chulhan - Home Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Email Abuse Question "X-Originating IP" In-Reply-To: <3AC65E5E.56B1954D@uwi.tt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dale Chulhan - Home wrote: > I examined some Hotmail emails that were originating with an abuser > about a year ago and could not find the X-Originating IP in emails sent > to windows or macs (I did view source in both cases). Is it that this > header only shows up on Unix machines? I've noticed that everyone who I don't think "X-" headers are platform specific. These headers are generally added by the particular mail program generating or sending the mail. As far as I can tell (but I didn't look very far), none of the mail programs or mail processing tools I use (under Unix-type systems), use that particular header. When I am curious about a particular IP, I look at the "Received: from" lines in the headers. > has written to point this error out to me is a Unix user. Is it an "error"? Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message