From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 6:38:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from boco.fee.vutbr.cz (boco.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B591137B6D1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by boco.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0MEbjo67018 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:37:46 +0100 (CET) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f0MEbfC79055 for freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:37:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:37:41 +0100 From: Cejka Rudolf To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What is with ftp.FreeBSD.org? Message-ID: <20010122153733.A78246@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody know what is with ftp.FreeBSD.org/ftp.freesoftware.com? It is since January 20 or so: $ ftp -a ftp.freebsd.org ftp: connect: Operation timed out ftp> bye -- Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 11: 3: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF6837B6B2 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14050; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:54:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101221854.KAA14050@implode.root.com> To: Cejka Rudolf Cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is with ftp.FreeBSD.org? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:37:41 +0100." <20010122153733.A78246@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:54:10 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Does anybody know what is with ftp.FreeBSD.org/ftp.freesoftware.com? >It is since January 20 or so: > >$ ftp -a ftp.freebsd.org >ftp: connect: Operation timed out >ftp> bye There is a network/hardware problem of some kind that I've been working with our ISP on. I don't have an ETR. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 13:18:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AA137B698 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2D9263E5F; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:17:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:17:56 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: bsd-dk@bsd-dk.dk, hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: {cvsup|www|ftp}.dk.FreeBSD.org down at the moment :-| Message-ID: <20010122221756.B90599@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, {cvsup|www|ftp}.dk.FreeBSD.org is currently down due to a pilot error by yours truly :-| ipfilter defaults to deny everything ... and I don't have a serial console on it yet ... Will be back up tomorrow morning (CET) /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 13:41:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7251B37B6A4; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14822; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:33:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101222133.NAA14822@implode.root.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org Cc: core@freebsd.org Subject: freesoftware.com back online From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:33:12 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.freesoftware.com) is back online now. The downtime was caused by a power failure at the facility that occured during a quaterly UPS test (which obviously didn't succeed). After the power was restored, the gigabit switch that the server is connected to did not come up properly with the gig-e uplink circuit. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:10:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [192.215.234.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CA4337B6AB for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29278 invoked by uid 1078); 23 Jan 2001 00:10:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 00:10:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Subject: ftp/www/whatever mirror Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bluemountain.com has finally scraped together (not really) the hardware to make a freebsd mirror. I've installed 4.2-RELEASE on it and am now wondering what the next step is to creating an ftp archive (and possibly www/cvs/cvsup)? I've got about 100GB of storage (RAID 0+1) hanging off a mylex controller for just this purpose. So... now what? -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:26:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5268237B402 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0N0Pix20215; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:25:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:26:12 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp/www/whatever mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > bluemountain.com has finally scraped together (not really) the hardware to > make a freebsd mirror. I've installed 4.2-RELEASE on it and am now > wondering what the next step is to creating an ftp archive (and possibly > www/cvs/cvsup)? I've got about 100GB of storage (RAID 0+1) hanging off a > mylex controller for just this purpose. So... now what? find your closest mirror - i don't recomment hitting ftp.freebsd.org directly. then start mirroring using rsync or spegla or mirror.pl to your local system. once complete, send more mail to hubs@freebsd.org and/or your closest domain hostmaster for freebsd.org asking to be added as ftpX.XX.freebsd.org i believe the web pages are generated from CVSup, so you'll need to install and configure that to generate a web mirror. i would also recommend you install an rsync server for users (and downstream mirrors) to be able to access your archive. lastly, i hope you have a big network pipe/budget to keep up with freebsd package updates. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:35:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [192.215.234.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB74037B69B for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9048 invoked by uid 1078); 23 Jan 2001 00:35:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 00:35:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: jason andrade Cc: Subject: Re: ftp/www/whatever mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, jason andrade wrote: > find your closest mirror - i don't recomment hitting ftp.freebsd.org > directly. then start mirroring using rsync or spegla or mirror.pl > to your local system. I guess trial and error for this one. > once complete, send more mail to hubs@freebsd.org and/or your > closest domain hostmaster for freebsd.org asking to be added > as ftpX.XX.freebsd.org I'm in CA, basically, I'm going to use it for our internal purposes as well as anyone else that might be interested. > i believe the web pages are generated from CVSup, so you'll > need to install and configure that to generate a web mirror. ok > i would also recommend you install an rsync server for users > (and downstream mirrors) to be able to access your archive. Not a master at working with rsync, but I guess it's time I learned. > lastly, i hope you have a big network pipe/budget to keep > up with freebsd package updates. our traffic is so async, I can continually update the server and it won't affect us at all. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:54:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ABC37B404 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0N0rtx22692; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:53:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:54:23 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp/www/whatever mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > > find your closest mirror - i don't recomment hitting ftp.freebsd.org > > directly. then start mirroring using rsync or spegla or mirror.pl > > to your local system. > > I guess trial and error for this one. i can't help much.. unless you want to spring for tickets for me to the US in which case i can help a lot :-) just doa few traceroutes to ftpX.freebsd.org and pick a close one. > I'm in CA, basically, I'm going to use it for our internal purposes as > well as anyone else that might be interested. well, depending on your bandwidth, you might or might not want to be advertised. > Not a master at working with rsync, but I guess it's time I learned. rsync is trivial to get installed, is much more secure than a ftp server and offers a lot better mirroring support in terms of bandwidth than ftp. to this day it is a constant annoyance there is no rsync support, even if only for downstream mirrors (not end users) on ftp.freebsd.org :-( > our traffic is so async, I can continually update the server and it won't > affect us at all. cool. best of luck with getting your mirror up -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:55:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [192.215.234.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2924637B6A1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18649 invoked by uid 1078); 23 Jan 2001 00:55:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 00:55:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:55:47 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Subject: using loopback mounts... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org has anyone thought of using loopback mounts (vn0, vn1) for the various iso images so you don't need to download essentially 2 copies of everything for a release (once in the ISO and once in the x.y-RELEASE directory)? Just a curious thought that struck me as I try to figure out the easiest way to create my mirror. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 16:59:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from basm.cerias.purdue.edu (basm.cerias.purdue.edu [128.10.243.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFE037B69D for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (raj@localhost) by basm.cerias.purdue.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06296 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:59:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Poole To: Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know about others, but personally the time wasted fooling with loopback mounts out weighs the cost of a few GBs of storage. I don't have the time to waste when drives are as cheap as they are. You would also have to do special configuration of your mirror scripts, blah blah. Much, much easier to just sic your scripts on the entire directory and let it maintain itself. -b On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > has anyone thought of using loopback mounts (vn0, vn1) for the various iso > images so you don't need to download essentially 2 copies of everything > for a release (once in the ISO and once in the x.y-RELEASE directory)? > Just a curious thought that struck me as I try to figure out the easiest > way to create my mirror. > > -gordon > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 17: 6:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E57C37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0N15kx23632; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:05:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:06:14 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Brian Poole Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Brian Poole wrote: > I don't know about others, but personally the time wasted fooling with > loopback mounts out weighs the cost of a few GBs of storage. I don't have > the time to waste when drives are as cheap as they are. You would also > have to do special configuration of your mirror scripts, blah blah. Much, > much easier to just sic your scripts on the entire directory and let it > maintain itself. g'day brian, in the freebsd case, this is particularly relevant because the ISO images don't directly reflect the layout of the ftp archive. i disagree with the `drives as cheap' bit, only because our Dell fibrechannel arrays are definitely not as cheap as i'd like. but you get what you pay for.. as a mirror librarian (ook!) with a bunch of different archives, i can say that most distros now have multiple cdrom images. it's becoming increasingly hard to use loopback mounts on a permanent basis. for what it's worth, i try and use loopbacks to `seed' the archive releases we use, where possible (when your traffic costs $100 per gig, incoming, if it takes me 30 minutes of my time to re-use a loopback.. well, i certainly don't get paid $200/hour :-) i suspect loopback stuff will be used a lot more once DVD-R images start to be released.. to date, i only know of SuSE Linux offering this. i was seriously thinking about a DVD writer and offering Freebsd on DVD-R.. but i haven't had the time lately. any comments from other people on this.. is FreeBSD already offered on DVD ? regards, -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 17:21:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from basm.cerias.purdue.edu (basm.cerias.purdue.edu [128.10.243.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F3E37B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (raj@localhost) by basm.cerias.purdue.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06769 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:21:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Poole To: Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, jason andrade wrote: G'day Jason, > i disagree with the `drives as cheap' bit, only because our Dell fibrechannel > arrays are definitely not as cheap as i'd like. but you get what you pay > for.. Drives are extraordinarily cheap, even for the high quality ones, compared to skilled labor (which I assume you consider yourself ;). > as a mirror librarian (ook!) with a bunch of different archives, i can say > that most distros now have multiple cdrom images. it's becoming increasingly > hard to use loopback mounts on a permanent basis. for what it's worth, i > try and use loopbacks to `seed' the archive releases we use, where possible > (when your traffic costs $100 per gig, incoming, if it takes me 30 minutes > of my time to re-use a loopback.. well, i certainly don't get paid $200/hour :-) Hmm, this doesn't make sense. Your traffic costs 100$/gig, but you aren't affecting your traffic by mounting the ISOs as loopback. All you are affecting is the usage of disk drives, by saving 650 odd MB per ISO because you don't need have duplicate files. When you have to do this repeatedly (say for 4-5 OSes you may mirror, times say 2 images per OS) however many times the OSes are releasing new versions it adds up to a fair chunk of time, even if you are practiced at it, and it only takes a few minutes for each new release. In contrast, simply buying a new HD, while this may have a higher initial cost, does not need to be re-bought all of the time because as new releases are released older versions are moved to archive sections (generally, FreeBSD seems to have an unusually high number of old releases in the main directory, if I must say so myself, up to ~50G now, aren't we? ;) > i suspect loopback stuff will be used a lot more once DVD-R images start to > be released.. to date, i only know of SuSE Linux offering this. i was Perhaps so, it would certainly make it more sensible in my opinion, as I'd be saving more HD space. However, I don't know how popular DVD images will be in the near future, even on cable|DSL ISOs still take quite a while to download, larger images would make this even slower. As well the number of DVD-Rs in public use is rather low I imagine. And please, don't CC: me ;) I promise, I am on the list. -b To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 17:29:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AD537B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0N1Six25744 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:28:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:29:11 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Brian Poole wrote: > Drives are extraordinarily cheap, even for the high quality ones, compared > to skilled labor (which I assume you consider yourself ;). however, the powers that be figure i'm a renewable infinite resource but they are reluctant to chop down more Fibre Trees to get more drives :-) > Hmm, this doesn't make sense. Your traffic costs 100$/gig, but you aren't > affecting your traffic by mounting the ISOs as loopback. All you are > affecting is the usage of disk drives, by saving 650 odd MB per ISO > because you don't need have duplicate files. When you have to do this no.. i loopback mount an ISO, copy the data out to the place it should be and then rsync over the top to fix any oddities. then i unmount the ISO image. per ISO, this saves about 650M of downloaded traffic. for a distro like redhat, that can be 3G. for freebsd, less so. > Perhaps so, it would certainly make it more sensible in my opinion, as I'd > be saving more HD space. However, I don't know how popular DVD images will > be in the near future, even on cable|DSL ISOs still take quite a while to > download, larger images would make this even slower. As well the number of > DVD-Rs in public use is rather low I imagine. i guess i was considering whether more buisnesses would prefer to have a single DVD-R available.. i'd probably organize to snail mail DVD-Rs when i think about it. > And please, don't CC: me ;) I promise, I am on the list. heh.. sorry, just a pine-ism. everyone seems to do it. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 17:36:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from basm.cerias.purdue.edu (basm.cerias.purdue.edu [128.10.243.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D7437B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (raj@localhost) by basm.cerias.purdue.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07110 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:36:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:36:30 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Poole To: Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, jason andrade wrote: > no.. i loopback mount an ISO, copy the data out to the place it should be > and then rsync over the top to fix any oddities. then i unmount the ISO > image. Ahhhh, that makes a bit more sense. Can't say I really looked at it like that. Don't have worries about how much data I am transferring here. It probably indeed does make a bit more sense if you are charged by data transferred. > per ISO, this saves about 650M of downloaded traffic. for a distro like > redhat, that can be 3G. for freebsd, less so. nod.. I was reading the way he meant to use loopback as eliminating files being stored twice, not to save data transfer. > heh.. sorry, just a pine-ism. everyone seems to do it. If everyone was jumping off a bridge.. ;) It is just rather annoying to get dupes (don't have a dupe filter in my procmail atm ;/). -b To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 22 21:24:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from zwei.soward.net (zwei.soward.net [208.247.194.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5991437B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from uky.edu (soward@[208.247.194.75]) by zwei.soward.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA62314 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:52:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from soward@uky.edu) Message-ID: <3A6D14DE.5090106@uky.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:21:34 -0500 From: John Soward User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test10 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using loopback mounts... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jason andrade wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Brian Poole wrote: > > >> Drives are extraordinarily cheap, even for the high quality ones, compared >> to skilled labor (which I assume you consider yourself ;). > > > however, the powers that be figure i'm a renewable infinite resource but > they are reluctant to chop down more Fibre Trees to get more drives :-) > Seems like using Fibre-connect drives for an FTP mirror isn't a good choice. Recent IDE drives are extremely economical, quite fast and fairly reliable, and cheap RAID cards (like the 3ware) abound. $3K US should build you a mirror big enough for FreeBSD and then some, $4K and it's redundant. >> Hmm, this doesn't make sense. Your traffic costs 100$/gig, but you aren't >> affecting your traffic by mounting the ISOs as loopback. All you are >> affecting is the usage of disk drives, by saving 650 odd MB per ISO >> because you don't need have duplicate files. When you have to do this > > > no.. i loopback mount an ISO, copy the data out to the place it should be > and then rsync over the top to fix any oddities. then i unmount the ISO > image. > > per ISO, this saves about 650M of downloaded traffic. for a distro like > redhat, that can be 3G. for freebsd, less so. > > This does make sense if your traffic costs $100/gig, but here in the US that's simply not the case! Sounds like there are some satelite data delivery business opportunities down under. I do expect DVD delivery to arrive by the end of the year, and it may be worth the trouble then, it's certainly a neat idea. -- John Soward Lead Systems Programmer, Technical Services, University of Kentucky p: 859.257.2900x298 e:soward@uky.edu w: http://neworder.cc.uky.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message