From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Feb 28 19: 0:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from fremont.bolingbroke.com (adsl-216-102-90-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.90.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C01037B71A; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hacker@bolingbroke.com) Received: from fremont.bolingbroke.com (fremont.bolingbroke.com [216.102.90.210]) by fremont.bolingbroke.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f2130Mu75911; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:00:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Bolingbroke To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: <7c.12440815.27cf08e0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on a whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to my surprise, it was taken seriously. So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Feb 28 21:35:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (ns.aub.dk [195.24.1.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF7637B719; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:35:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f215ZYM38952; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:35:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Ken Bolingbroke Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:00:22 PST." Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 06:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: <38950.983424934@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Ken Bolingbroke writes: > >Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM >S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on a >whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to my >surprise, it was taken seriously. > >So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? >What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? I certainly think it is a worthwhile task. I have long been advocating it publically. I can't promise that I have much time for it but I'll do what I can to help. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Feb 28 22:13:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from fjord.dignus.com (sdsl-64-244-29-38.dsl.rdu.megapath.net [64.244.29.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B6837B718; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by fjord.dignus.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f216Dpk11105; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:13:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA35918; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:15:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <200103010615.BAA35918@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hacker@bolingbroke.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM > S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on a > whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to my > surprise, it was taken seriously. > > So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? > What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? > > Ken > I'd like to see it as well.... I beleive we'd be willing to help with it too.. as resources permit. - Dave Rivers - -- rivers@dignus.com Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe (370) `C' compiler at http://www.dignus.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Mar 1 6: 1:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448DE37B71B; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f21E1Ah65677; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:01:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Ken Bolingbroke Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Ken Bolingbroke wrote: > Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM > S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on > a whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to > my surprise, it was taken seriously. > > So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? > What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? Well, as you've seen from the two responses already, the implicit answer to your question of "has anyone done any work" appears to be "no" :-). However, I think a number of us in the developer community see this as a fairly serious gap, and would like to remedy this. However, IBM hasn't been dropping S/390 machines and documentation in anyone's laps (at least, not mine, and no one else has mentioned it), so the primary facilitators would be, as with any new hardware port: 1) Access to necessary technical documentation and expertise 2) Access to hardware 3) Someone with appropriate expertise willing the guide ("own", if you will) the port to the platform through to completion, and continue to provide on-going maintainership in the face of adversity (someone adds fine-grained SMP support and it falls on the maintainer to figure out how that works on their platform, if no one has hardware). Part of the "real answer" is probably that IBM or a large consumer of S/390 machines has to shepherd the whole process to make it happen, and that probably involves a moderate amount of money, and moderate levels of frustration. If you can provide access to the first and survive the second, then you can certainly make this a reality. If not, well, it would be nice to see it happen but the task is to identify someone who can provide these. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Mar 1 6:47:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from silby.com (adam042-060.resnet.wisc.edu [146.151.42.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BCF37B71B for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: (qmail 3547 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Mar 2001 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2001 14:47:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:47:46 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Silbersack To: Robert Watson Cc: Ken Bolingbroke , , Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Robert Watson wrote: > Part of the "real answer" is probably that IBM or a large consumer of > S/390 machines has to shepherd the whole process to make it happen, and > that probably involves a moderate amount of money, and moderate levels of > frustration. If you can provide access to the first and survive the > second, then you can certainly make this a reality. If not, well, it > would be nice to see it happen but the task is to identify someone who can > provide these. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services If memory serves me right, the way Linux S/390 support came about was that a team of S/390 enthusiasts start working on an S/390 port. After a year or so, they were almost done. At this point an internal IBM team submitted a set of patches that they had been working on, supplanting the efforts of the enthusiast team. Hence, perhaps the best approach is just to do a really good job of making it look like a FreeBSD S/390 port is being done. If this is successfully pulled off, IBM will actually end up doing the real work. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Mar 1 8:20:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca (cr677933-a.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.230.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4C337B71A; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@xena.gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f21GIVl22243; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@xena.gsicomp.on.ca) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Emmerton To: Robert Watson Cc: Ken Bolingbroke , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Ken Bolingbroke wrote: > > > Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM > > S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on > > a whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to > > my surprise, it was taken seriously. > > > > So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? > > What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? > > Well, as you've seen from the two responses already, the implicit answer > to your question of "has anyone done any work" appears to be "no" :-). > However, I think a number of us in the developer community see this as a > fairly serious gap, and would like to remedy this. However, IBM hasn't > been dropping S/390 machines and documentation in anyone's laps (at least, > not mine, and no one else has mentioned it), so the primary facilitators > would be, as with any new hardware port: > > 1) Access to necessary technical documentation and expertise > 2) Access to hardware > 3) Someone with appropriate expertise willing the guide ("own", if you > will) the port to the platform through to completion, and continue to > provide on-going maintainership in the face of adversity (someone adds > fine-grained SMP support and it falls on the maintainer to figure out > how that works on their platform, if no one has hardware). > > Part of the "real answer" is probably that IBM or a large consumer of > S/390 machines has to shepherd the whole process to make it happen, and > that probably involves a moderate amount of money, and moderate levels of > frustration. If you can provide access to the first and survive the > second, then you can certainly make this a reality. If not, well, it > would be nice to see it happen but the task is to identify someone who can > provide these. Well, I'm starting with IBM in May at their Toronto Labs. All of my managers were particularly interested in my non-Linux open source activity (what is this FreeBSd thing that you talk about?) I'm not promising anything, but I too would *love* to get IBM supporting FreeBSD in some way. Perhaps a version of JFS released under the BSD licence would be a start, and then hardware support for RS/6k and S/390. I will keep my eyes and ears open for anything useful that falls my way. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Mar 1 14:11:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from ambrisko.com (adsl-216-103-208-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.208.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146DE37B7A1; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@ambrisko.com) Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by ambrisko.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) id f21MB5Y29968; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <200103012211.f21MB5Y29968@ambrisko.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? In-Reply-To: "from Robert Watson at Mar 1, 2001 09:01:09 am" To: Robert Watson Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:11:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: Ken Bolingbroke , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Watson writes: | On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Ken Bolingbroke wrote: | > Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of virtual machines on an IBM | > S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE Linux on most of them, on | > a whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD on one of them, and to | > my surprise, it was taken seriously. | > | > So, has anyone done any work with getting FreeBSD running on a S/390? | > What can I do to make it happen if there's interest? | | fairly serious gap, and would like to remedy this. However, IBM hasn't | been dropping S/390 machines and documentation in anyone's laps (at least, | not mine, and no one else has mentioned it), so the primary facilitators | would be, as with any new hardware port: | | 1) Access to necessary technical documentation and expertise | 2) Access to hardware I would suggest people look at http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/ It is "an open source software implementation of the mainframe System/370 and ESA/390". So the first step would be to port that to FreeBSD and then you sort of have the hardware. It is supposed to run the Linux 390 port. I would think this would be a good starting point and since the emulator is open source it should be easier to figure out how the machine works. Doug A. Standard disclaimer applies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Mar 1 21:47:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFEDD37B720 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:47:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jafour2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14057 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2001 05:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010302054746.14056.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.94.107] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:47:46 PST Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jaime Fournier Subject: Re: FreeBSD on S/390? To: Matthew Emmerton , Robert Watson Cc: Ken Bolingbroke , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Matthew Emmerton wrote: > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Robert Watson wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Ken Bolingbroke wrote: > > > > > Long shot, probably, but I've got a bunch of > virtual machines on an IBM > > > S/390 mainframe, and while we're running SuSE > Linux on most of them, on > > > a whim I tossed out the idea of running FreeBSD > on one of them, and to > > > my surprise, it was taken seriously. > > > > > > So, has anyone done any work with getting > FreeBSD running on a S/390? > > > What can I do to make it happen if there's > interest? > > > > Well, as you've seen from the two responses > already, the implicit answer > > to your question of "has anyone done any work" > appears to be "no" :-). > > However, I think a number of us in the developer > community see this as a > > fairly serious gap, and would like to remedy this. > However, IBM hasn't > > been dropping S/390 machines and documentation in > anyone's laps (at least, > > not mine, and no one else has mentioned it), so > the primary facilitators > > would be, as with any new hardware port: > > > > 1) Access to necessary technical documentation and > expertise > > 2) Access to hardware > > 3) Someone with appropriate expertise willing the > guide ("own", if you > > will) the port to the platform through to > completion, and continue to > > provide on-going maintainership in the face of > adversity (someone adds > > fine-grained SMP support and it falls on the > maintainer to figure out > > how that works on their platform, if no one has > hardware). > > > > Part of the "real answer" is probably that IBM or > a large consumer of > > S/390 machines has to shepherd the whole process > to make it happen, and > > that probably involves a moderate amount of money, > and moderate levels of > > frustration. If you can provide access to the > first and survive the > > second, then you can certainly make this a > reality. If not, well, it > > would be nice to see it happen but the task is to > identify someone who can > > provide these. > > Well, I'm starting with IBM in May at their Toronto > Labs. All of my > managers were particularly interested in my > non-Linux open source activity > (what is this FreeBSd thing that you talk about?) > > I'm not promising anything, but I too would *love* > to get IBM supporting > FreeBSD in some way. Perhaps a version of JFS > released under the BSD > licence would be a start, and then hardware support > for RS/6k and S/390. > > I will keep my eyes and ears open for anything > useful that falls my way. > > -- > Matt Emmerton > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of > the message Well, I work for IBM for 4 years, and at one time they did not know what Linux was. I run freebsd at work on my workstation, and have to pass it off as a "linux distribution" in order for people to understand what it is. Some interesting news is that in front of the IBM building here in austin they raised a flag that said "Peace, Love, and linux". So go figure. Linux seems to have more talk internally than actual use. But given how big IBM is it is hard to say what any other part of it is doing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message