From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 16 11: 7:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [216.188.96.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E3C37B408 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9GHwrh20463; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: "George D. Plymale" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A good place to look for items like this is: www.advantech.com They may or may not have exactly what you need. It is a good place to start. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, George D. Plymale wrote: > I'm working on a semi-embedded FreeBSD device, but am unsure where to find > some "good" hardware to build a prototype. I am in need of some type of > integrated motherboard that has excellent support for audio as well as well > as a video chipset that will play flawless video, and possibly OpenGL, under > FreeBSD/X. Where can I find any currently available motherboards that fit > this description? Are there any upcoming developments to note as well? > > I would like for this motherboard to support PCI devices as well as USB. > > Also, are there any companies that build cases for small devices according > to specs a person would provide? > > Thanks much! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 18 16:27:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F47637B408 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9INTsr76709; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:29:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:29:54 -0400 From: Mike Barcroft To: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Circular log patches for syslog Message-ID: <20011018192954.B76549@coffee.q9media.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from jdw_list@wwwi.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:32:09PM -0500 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Moved to -small.] Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse writes: > While working on another project, I made some patches to syslogd to support > circular logfiles: > > http://software.wwwi.com/syslogd/ > > The syslogd patch includes changes to the man page to reflect the new usage. > > I don't know if this is useful to anyone else, but it came in handy for me > on a small-footprint embedded project that couldn't afford to let logs grow > unbounded. > > We have been using this in house without problems for awhile now. Any > feedback on this would be appreciated. This sounds really interesting. It would probably be a good candidate for PicoBSD. Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 18 17:38:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com (fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com [199.1.92.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E231337B436; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polonius (dhcp105.houston.wwwi.com [199.1.94.105]) by fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9J0cYH23646; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" To: "Mike Barcroft" , "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: Subject: RE: Circular log patches for syslog Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011018192954.B76549@coffee.q9media.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the suggestion! From the PicoBSD page (http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/), I had concluded that PicoBSD was pretty well moribund. Reviewing the past few weeks of the freebsd-small list, it seems I was in error. We're currently running 4.3-RELEASE on Advantech hw because at the time PicoBSD looked like a non-start. We desperately need to get the flash requirement down. Is there documentation somewhere that explains the connection between FreeBSD-4.x and PicoBSD, and how to get from the one to the other? I apologize if this is a stupidly obvious question and I'm the only person left on earth who doesn't know the answer. Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Barcroft [mailto:mike@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 PM > To: Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse > Cc: small@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Circular log patches for syslog > > > [Moved to -small.] > > Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse writes: > > While working on another project, I made some patches to > syslogd to support > > circular logfiles: > > > > http://software.wwwi.com/syslogd/ > > > > The syslogd patch includes changes to the man page to reflect > the new usage. > > > > I don't know if this is useful to anyone else, but it came in > handy for me > > on a small-footprint embedded project that couldn't afford to > let logs grow > > unbounded. > > > > We have been using this in house without problems for awhile now. Any > > feedback on this would be appreciated. > > This sounds really interesting. It would probably be a good candidate > for PicoBSD. > > Best regards, > Mike Barcroft > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 18 17:44:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0665837B407 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amy (216-99-218-147.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.147]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9J0iI418294; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:44:18 -0700 Message-ID: <01c901c15837$2b7de100$6401a8c0@longs.org> From: "Paul W Long" To: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Circular log patches for syslog Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:44:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm helped me out. -pwl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" To: "Mike Barcroft" ; "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: Sent: Thursday 18 October 2001 17:36 Subject: RE: Circular log patches for syslog > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > >From the PicoBSD page (http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/), I had concluded > that PicoBSD was pretty well moribund. Reviewing the past few weeks of the > freebsd-small list, it seems I was in error. > > We're currently running 4.3-RELEASE on Advantech hw because at the time > PicoBSD looked like a non-start. We desperately need to get the flash > requirement down. > > Is there documentation somewhere that explains the connection between > FreeBSD-4.x and PicoBSD, and how to get from the one to the other? > > I apologize if this is a stupidly obvious question and I'm the only person > left on earth who doesn't know the answer. > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Barcroft [mailto:mike@FreeBSD.org] > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 PM > > To: Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse > > Cc: small@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: Circular log patches for syslog > > > > > > [Moved to -small.] > > > > Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse writes: > > > While working on another project, I made some patches to > > syslogd to support > > > circular logfiles: > > > > > > http://software.wwwi.com/syslogd/ > > > > > > The syslogd patch includes changes to the man page to reflect > > the new usage. > > > > > > I don't know if this is useful to anyone else, but it came in > > handy for me > > > on a small-footprint embedded project that couldn't afford to > > let logs grow > > > unbounded. > > > > > > We have been using this in house without problems for awhile now. Any > > > feedback on this would be appreciated. > > > > This sounds really interesting. It would probably be a good candidate > > for PicoBSD. > > > > Best regards, > > Mike Barcroft > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 11:28: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts15.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DE637B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.151.85]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011019182806.ZIRV19401.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3BD07025.9040306@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:25:41 -0400 From: David Bickle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PC/104 Embedded Board Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Folks, I am looking for a simple inexpensive PC/104 embedded board for building small network devices. In particular I am looking for something with 2+ ethernet interfaces. Does anyone know of such an animal. Thanks, -- David Bickle Software Developer dbickle@sympatico.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 11:41: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from engr.orst.edu (ENGR.ORST.EDU [128.193.54.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267B237B403 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU (eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU [128.193.55.69]) by engr.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00829; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shepard@localhost) by eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00774; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:41:01 -0700 From: Darren Shepard To: David Bickle Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board Message-ID: <20011019114100.A437@eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU> References: <3BD07025.9040306@sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BD07025.9040306@sympatico.ca>; from dbickle@sympatico.ca on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:25:41PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> David Bickle wrote: | I am looking for a simple inexpensive PC/104 embedded board for building | small network devices. In particular I am looking for something with 2+ | ethernet interfaces. Does anyone know of such an animal. If you don't require a PC/104 form factor, you might look at the net4501, (http://www.soekris.com/) which has 3 enet ports. -- Darren Shepard | Corvallis, OR | dss@orst.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 12:33:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com (fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com [199.1.92.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA1C37B403 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polonius (dhcp105.houston.wwwi.com [199.1.94.105]) by fortinbras.sanjose.wwwi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9JJXbH28622; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" To: "David Bickle" , Subject: RE: PC/104 Embedded Board Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3BD07025.9040306@sympatico.ca> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We've been using the Advantech PCM-5823-G0A1 with FreeBSD with great success. http://www.advantech.com/products/PCM-5823.asp It's PC/104, dual ethernet and fanless. Note that the 300Mhz version has Intel 82559 ethernet and the 200Mhz has some lousy Realtek controllers. For a network device, you want the Intels, even if you don't need the CPU. I believe they also have a dual Intel ethernet PC/104 module, so you theoretically go to 4+ ports if boards are an option, but I've never used it. IIRC the board is about $600 in unit quantity. Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Bickle > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:26 PM > To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: PC/104 Embedded Board > > > Hi Folks, > > I am looking for a simple inexpensive PC/104 embedded board for building > small network devices. In particular I am looking for something with 2+ > ethernet interfaces. Does anyone know of such an animal. > > Thanks, > > -- > David Bickle > Software Developer > dbickle@sympatico.ca > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 12:53:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3977B37B405 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.2) with SMTP id FAA22202; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 05:52:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 05:52:59 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Darren Shepard Cc: David Bickle , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board In-Reply-To: <20011019114100.A437@eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Darren Shepard wrote: > >> David Bickle wrote: > > | I am looking for a simple inexpensive PC/104 embedded board for building > | small network devices. In particular I am looking for something with 2+ > | ethernet interfaces. Does anyone know of such an animal. > > If you don't require a PC/104 form factor, you might look at the net4501, > (http://www.soekris.com/) which has 3 enet ports. Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. Only apparent obstacle is - can one readily connect a PCI (eg) wavelan card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? Any suggestions welcome, off list if you feel it offtopic for -small? Cheers, Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 13: 9:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D3937B407 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f9JK96P11714; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:09:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:09:06 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Ian Smith Cc: Darren Shepard , David Bickle , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board Message-ID: <20011019130906.A11143@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20011019114100.A437@eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from smithi@nimnet.asn.au on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:52:59AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:52:59AM +1000, Ian Smith wrote: > Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 > with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of > one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery > plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. > > Only apparent obstacle is - can one readily connect a PCI (eg) wavelan > card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the > low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b > cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? 802.11b cards are by an large 5v cards so they won't work in the slot (it's only got 3.3v support). You should be able to run a mini-PCI card in the mini-PCI slot though. You can pick them up as spairs or laptop upgrades. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70IhiXY6L6fI4GtQRArsTAJ9/6Wj0vCK4WYazMrg0gCZqaTNb/wCbBPmB FATeUbA3TCxdeLchDteobkM= =BEZZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 13:18:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA1B37B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8DF67A842; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:18:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6C3544E; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:18:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:18:44 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew To: Ian Smith Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011020055759.Q6331-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Ian Smith wrote: > Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 > with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of > one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery > plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. That's very cool :-) > card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the > low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b > cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? Well the soekris web page says 3.3V, 2 watt and not room in the case for a standard PCI card. I think (although I may be completley wrong) that the Orinoco cards take 5V as that is the voltage from a PC card slot?. Lucent make a MiniPCI card which might help you though. I would imagine for your puposes you would want to be able to attach external aerials as well - you'd have to check if they support this or if they have integrated antennas. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 13:38:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8152D37B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soekris.com (1.4.soekris.com [192.168.1.4] (may be forged)) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA05753; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3BD08F44.6E5CFFEA@soekris.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:38:28 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Cc: Ian Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board References: <20011020055759.Q6331-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Maybe I should tell everybody that I'm working on a version of the net4501 where the PCI slot has been replaced with two PC-Card Slots side by side, especially for wireless applications.... That include a case with two antenna connnectors and upgraded power supply with support for Power over Ethernet (12-60 VDC). Prototypes is very close and production is 3-4 weeks out.... Regards, Soren Andrew wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Ian Smith wrote: > > > Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 > > with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of > > one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery > > plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. > > That's very cool :-) > > > card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the > > low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b > > cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? > > Well the soekris web page says 3.3V, 2 watt and not room in the case for a > standard PCI card. I think (although I may be completley wrong) that the > Orinoco cards take 5V as that is the voltage from a PC card slot?. Lucent > make a MiniPCI card which might help you though. > > I would imagine for your puposes you would want to be able to attach > external aerials as well - you'd have to check if they support this or if > they have integrated antennas. > > Andrew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 21:20:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from granite.he.net (granite.he.net [216.218.226.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D337B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donner (ACB4D722.ipt.aol.com [172.180.215.34]) by granite.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA32411 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:20:45 -0700 Delivered-To: Message-ID: <001901c1591d$b1e541c0$76a8fea9@donner> From: "Eric Chiu" To: References: <01c901c15837$2b7de100$6401a8c0@longs.org> Subject: picoBSD vs uclinux Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:57:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How does picoBSD compare to uclinux and other embedded OSs in terms of footprint? Thanks for your help! Eric Chiu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 21:57:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB36837B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.2) with SMTP id OAA05617; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:56:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:56:53 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith Reply-To: Ian Smith To: Soren Kristensen Cc: Andrew , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board In-Reply-To: <3BD08F44.6E5CFFEA@soekris.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: > Maybe I should tell everybody that I'm working on a version of the > net4501 where the PCI slot has been replaced with two PC-Card Slots side > by side, especially for wireless applications.... That include a case > with two antenna connnectors and upgraded power supply with support for > Power over Ethernet (12-60 VDC). > > Prototypes is very close and production is 3-4 weeks out.... Great, sounds like just what we need, Soren! Will stay very tuned. In your email you mentioned 'not for outdoor use' re temperature. How does 55C sound? That's about what we could expect up inside a roof on the hotter summer days here. If need be we could locate the box lower, with longer antenna cables and/or do something about cooling it. > Andrew wrote: > > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Ian Smith wrote: > > > > > Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 > > > with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of > > > one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery > > > plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. > > > > That's very cool :-) We hope so :-) > > > card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the > > > low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b > > > cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? > > > > Well the soekris web page says 3.3V, 2 watt and not room in the case for a > > standard PCI card. I think (although I may be completley wrong) that the > > Orinoco cards take 5V as that is the voltage from a PC card slot?. Lucent > > make a MiniPCI card which might help you though. Will have to check up on these miniPCI cards too .. > > I would imagine for your puposes you would want to be able to attach > > external aerials as well - you'd have to check if they support this or if > > they have integrated antennas. Yes, we're looking at a high gain omnidirectional up high to cover the town, and yagis or helicals for longer directional point-to-point links up to several miles. Just for fun, initially, though it might turn out to be quite useful in this small rural community. Hope to have a 4.4 system running before long, so expect I'll be back with some genuine -small questions regarding building a suitable system for flash etc. Thanks also to Brooks Davis for responding helpfully. Cheers, Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 22:23:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147AF37B401 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soekris.com (1.4.soekris.com [192.168.1.4] (may be forged)) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA06717; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3BD10A3A.F91C7798@soekris.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:23:06 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith Cc: Andrew , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Ian, Ian Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: > > > Maybe I should tell everybody that I'm working on a version of the > > net4501 where the PCI slot has been replaced with two PC-Card Slots side > > by side, especially for wireless applications.... That include a case > > with two antenna connnectors and upgraded power supply with support for > > Power over Ethernet (12-60 VDC). > > > > Prototypes is very close and production is 3-4 weeks out.... > > Great, sounds like just what we need, Soren! Will stay very tuned. > > In your email you mentioned 'not for outdoor use' re temperature. How > does 55C sound? That's about what we could expect up inside a roof on > the hotter summer days here. If need be we could locate the box lower, > with longer antenna cables and/or do something about cooling it. It's actually the cold temperatures that's the issue, not heat.... The parts used are mostly for the 0-70 C commercial temperature range. I'm hoping later on to be able to offer a version for the -40 to +85 C industrial temperature range. Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 19 22:56:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301AD37B6E1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9K5pfp72804; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:51:41 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200110200551.f9K5pfp72804@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: PC/104 Embedded Board In-Reply-To: from Ian Smith at "Oct 20, 2001 05:52:59 am" To: smithi@nimnet.asn.au (Ian Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:51:41 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > If you don't require a PC/104 form factor, you might look at the net4501, > > (http://www.soekris.com/) which has 3 enet ports. > > Hope this isn't too far off topic, but we've been looking at the net4501 > with a view to building [a] remote box/es, living in or near the roof of > one or more of the town's taller buildings, running off a 12V battery > plus charger supply, for routing/relaying a local wireless LAN. > > Only apparent obstacle is - can one readily connect a PCI (eg) wavelan > card to the net4501? I don't know enough about what constitutes the > low-power PCI card requirements of the net4501, what common IEEE802.11b > cards require power-wise, or what other interfacing might be necessary? > We are using the Orinoco Mini PCI cards that we buy through Dell. They work just fine after a BIOS upgrade on the net4501 handle the CardBus bridge interrupt correctly. Here is what it looks like on a net4501: pcic0: mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000fff irq 10 at devi ce 16.0 on pci0 pcic0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [pwr save][pci only] pccard0: on pcic0 ... pccard: card inserted, slot 0 wi0: at port 0x100-0x13f irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 wi0: Ethernet address: 00:02:2d:25:5c:f3 It probes as a "Dell" "TrueMobile 1150 Series PC Card" John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Oct 20 21:11:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3996437B405 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9L4EHc84917; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:14:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:14:17 -0400 From: Mike Barcroft To: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: small@FreeBSD.org Subject: PicoBSD web site (Re: Circular log patches for syslog) Message-ID: <20011021001417.A84874@coffee.q9media.com> References: <20011018192954.B76549@coffee.q9media.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from jdw_list@wwwi.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:36:39PM -0500 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse writes: > >From the PicoBSD page (http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/), I had concluded > that PicoBSD was pretty well moribund. Reviewing the past few weeks of the > freebsd-small list, it seems I was in error. The PicoBSD website is seriously outdated. Does anyone know who maintains, or rather doesn't maintain it? Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Oct 20 21:29:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F93C37B406; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amy (216-99-218-147.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.147]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9L4Tl407440; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:29:47 -0700 Message-ID: <031501c159e8$ee2d1060$6401a8c0@longs.org> From: "Paul W Long" To: "Mike Barcroft" Cc: References: <20011018192954.B76549@coffee.q9media.com> <20011021001417.A84874@coffee.q9media.com> Subject: Re: PicoBSD web site (Re: Circular log patches for syslog) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:28:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Barcroft" To: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Cc: Sent: Saturday 20 October 2001 21:14 Subject: PicoBSD web site (Re: Circular log patches for syslog) > Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse writes: > > >From the PicoBSD page (http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/), I had concluded > > that PicoBSD was pretty well moribund. Reviewing the past few weeks of the > > freebsd-small list, it seems I was in error. > > The PicoBSD website is seriously outdated. Does anyone know who > maintains, or rather doesn't maintain it? From that page: "Any comments? abial@freebsd.org" From the source of http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html: "" > Best regards, > Mike Barcroft I agree these need work. I had seen the pages and discounted them due to their perceived age. I only realized some time later that PicoBSD was alive and well. I don't have the time (or ability) to fix 'em. But I've found http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm to be very useful. -pwl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Oct 20 21:59: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8FF37B401; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9L51wd85008; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:01:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:01:58 -0400 From: Mike Barcroft To: Paul W Long Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG, abial@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD web site (Re: Circular log patches for syslog) Message-ID: <20011021010158.B84874@coffee.q9media.com> References: <20011018192954.B76549@coffee.q9media.com> <20011021001417.A84874@coffee.q9media.com> <031501c159e8$ee2d1060$6401a8c0@longs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <031501c159e8$ee2d1060$6401a8c0@longs.org>; from paul@longs.org on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:28:07PM -0700 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Added abial@FreeBSD.org to CC list.] Paul W Long writes: > > The PicoBSD website is seriously outdated. Does anyone know who > > maintains, or rather doesn't maintain it? > > >From that page: > "Any comments? abial@freebsd.org" It doesn't appear he's made any commits in the last 8 months, so he might not be working on PicoBSD anymore. > >From the source of http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html: > "" > > I agree these need work. I had seen the pages and discounted them due to > their perceived age. I only realized some time later that PicoBSD was alive > and well. I don't have the time (or ability) to fix 'em. But I've found > http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm to be very useful. This looks like really good stuff. I'm going to see if I can arrange to get this into the official FreeBSD FAQ section. It would be a very good replacement for the current documentation. Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message