From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 10 10:48:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094DC37B42C; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keichii@peorth.iteration.net) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D043595DE; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:48:10 -0500 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: sparc@freebsd.org Subject: UltraSparc III manual Message-ID: <20010410124810.A5247@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know how I can get my hands on the UltraSparc III manual sets? I tried sun.com and google for a two hours to no avail. The Sun representation listed on the Sun microelectronics page never bothered to answer my email. (It's been two weeks.) -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@iteration.net | keichii@freebsd.org | | http://iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 10 10:51:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C74637B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f3AHpkj00272; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:51:45 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UltraSparc III manual Message-ID: <20010410105145.R15938@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010410124810.A5247@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010410124810.A5247@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:48:10PM -0500 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Michael C . Wu [010410 10:48] wrote: > Does anyone know how I can get my hands on the UltraSparc III > manual sets? I tried sun.com and google for a two hours > to no avail. The Sun representation listed on the Sun > microelectronics page never bothered to answer my email. > (It's been two weeks.) It seems like it's now freely available from sparc.org: http://www.sparc.org/standards.html -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 14 7:36:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from twister.domainfactory.de (twister.domainfactory.de [62.67.200.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E65B37B496 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@gizmo.quizbot.org) Received: (qmail 7192 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 14:36:16 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-192-043.arcor-ip.net (HELO gizmo.quizbot.org) ([212.144.192.43]) (envelope-sender ) by twister.domainfactory.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Apr 2001 14:36:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3AD8605A.4E04601D@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:36:10 +0200 From: Robert Drehmel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.org Subject: just some questions on the port status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello porters. 1) Who coordinates and/or maintains this port? 2) Who is working on what? 3) Is the code at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/src-981023.tar.gz ^^ the only and newest sparc port code written so far? (as there is nothing in the FreeBSD repo yet.) 4) The port will be split up into sparc[v8] and sparc[v9|64], right? ciao, -robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 14 10:43:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EF637B50E for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3EHhKG10061; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3AD8605A.4E04601D@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Robert Drehmel Subject: RE: just some questions on the port status Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14-Apr-01 Robert Drehmel wrote: > Hello porters. > > 1) Who coordinates and/or maintains this port? No one at the moment. > 2) Who is working on what? No one on anything that I know of. > 3) Is the code at > > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/src-981023.tar.gz > ^^ > > the only and newest sparc port code written so far? (as there > is nothing in the FreeBSD repo yet.) Quite possibly, but O'Brien would know for sure. > 4) The port will be split up into sparc[v8] and sparc[v9|64], right? *shrug* Depends on what code we get. Some people would prefer that we just do sparc64 and not even bother with sparc 8. If you want to work on the port, go for it. :) It simply needs people to work on it. > ciao, > -robert -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 14 11:54:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from twister.domainfactory.de (twister.domainfactory.de [62.67.200.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 563D437B5AF for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@gizmo.quizbot.org) Received: (qmail 25167 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-193-007.arcor-ip.net (HELO gizmo.quizbot.org) ([212.144.193.7]) (envelope-sender ) by twister.domainfactory.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Apr 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3AD89D01.E1313429@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:54:57 +0200 From: Robert Drehmel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: just some questions on the port status References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 4) The port will be split up into sparc[v8] and sparc[v9|64], right? > > *shrug* Depends on what code we get. Some people would prefer that we just do > sparc64 and not even bother with sparc 8. If you want to work on the port, go > for it. :) It simply needs people to work on it. There *really* should be two ports. In the archives I read that the FreeBSD project isn't interested in `hobby-ports'. I agree with this, but it doesn't hurt to let people provide their `hobby-ports' as long as the rest of the kernel is designed without respect for older hardware. I'd port for/to V9, but I don't have a UltraSparc to develop on right now. ( I'm trying to get one, but they aren't cheap here in Germany. ) Another point is code sharing and storage. Few to none people actually write code at the moment, so the port gets rather puzzled together. A (separate) CVS repository would be great, (we use one for documentation translation in the FreeBSD German Documentation Project) as this offers several advantages: 1) One could commit code that is far from being usable and someone else completes this work then. 2) Nobody screams when the changes are backed out many times or the repository is bloated in other ways. 3) People that aren't commiters on freefall can commit stuff that is collected by a commiter and checked into the FreeBSD repository regularly. 4) There would be a code base on which people could work and submit code to. You don't have to guess where the current code can be found. Assuming nobody started with that, I'll play around with the pmap module (pmap.c). ciao, -robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 14 12:20:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E876537B505 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3EJKEG11925; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3AD89D01.E1313429@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Robert Drehmel Subject: Re: just some questions on the port status Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14-Apr-01 Robert Drehmel wrote: >> > 4) The port will be split up into sparc[v8] and sparc[v9|64], right? >> >> *shrug* Depends on what code we get. Some people would prefer that we just >> do >> sparc64 and not even bother with sparc 8. If you want to work on the port, >> go >> for it. :) It simply needs people to work on it. > > There *really* should be two ports. In the archives I read > that the FreeBSD project isn't interested in `hobby-ports'. > I agree with this, but it doesn't hurt to let people provide > their `hobby-ports' as long as the rest of the kernel is > designed without respect for older hardware. > > I'd port for/to V9, but I don't have a UltraSparc to develop > on right now. > ( I'm trying to get one, but they aren't cheap here in Germany. ) > > Another point is code sharing and storage. Few to none people > actually write code at the moment, so the port gets rather > puzzled together. A (separate) CVS repository would be great, > (we use one for documentation translation in the FreeBSD German > Documentation Project) as this offers several advantages: > > 1) One could commit code that is far from being usable and > someone else completes this work then. > 2) Nobody screams when the changes are backed out many times > or the repository is bloated in other ways. Actually, you could do this in the main tree once you have more than a small change. In the early work of SMPng we had to keep up with patches between all of us and sync htem up with -current every couple of days. This made things much more painful than they needed to be. Since you would mostly be in sys/sparc64 or (sys/sparc32 or whatever) it wouldn't be quite as bad, but it would be painful even if you use CVS for your local patches to try and keep things in sync. Note that the ia64 port doesn't even boot right now (it panics in the pmap code early on around SI_SUB_KMEM or thereabouts) but it's in the tree. :) Having this stuff in the main tree can actually serve as a good reference for people doing other ports in the future as well. > 3) People that aren't commiters on freefall can commit stuff > that is collected by a commiter and checked into the > FreeBSD repository regularly. I'm sure if someone starts churning out sparc code that a commit bit can be granted without any difficulties. :) > 4) There would be a code base on which people could work and > submit code to. You don't have to guess where the > current code can be found. If it's in the main tree it's even easier, you just cvsup -current, you don't have to go cvsup -current and then try to mix and match some other repo with it. I think with smpng I ended up with 6 or 8 trees checked out to deal with the headache of merging in essentially 2 lines of development. > Assuming nobody started with that, I'll play around with the > pmap module (pmap.c). Go for it. > ciao, > -robert > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 14 14:28:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8EB37B50F for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id BAA08405 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:28:52 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:28:52 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: just some questions on the port status Message-ID: <20010415012852.B8136@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AD8605A.4E04601D@gizmo.quizbot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <3AD8605A.4E04601D@gizmo.quizbot.org>; from "Robert Drehmel" on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 16:36:10 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 16:36:10 +0200, Robert Drehmel wrote: > 4) The port will be split up into sparc[v8] and sparc[v9|64], right? For sparc32 I'd stick with NetBSD, there's no need to duplicate the effort. As much as I love sparc32, it's getting, umm... let's say "not mainstream", and the effort to port FreeBSD to it doesn't worth it, especially since there's a quality NetBSD port. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message