From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 7:24:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from becasse.cs.stevens-tech.edu (becasse.cs.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.89.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D809537B404 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by becasse.cs.stevens-tech.edu (Postfix, from userid 2379) id 054F91C56F; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:24:32 -0400 From: Jan Schaumann To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Press release re 'The Matrix' -> Renderman? Message-ID: <20020624142432.GB29552@cs.stevens-tech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html you write that FreeBSD was used for rendering work of the movie 'The Matrix' - I was wondering if you'd know what software was used. Did they, by any chance, use Pixar's Rederman, and if so, did they get a native binary or did it run in Linux Emulation? Thanks in advance, -Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 7:31:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA60137B400 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4A1A45362; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:31:17 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Jan Schaumann Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Press release re 'The Matrix' -> Renderman? References: <20020624142432.GB29552@cs.stevens-tech.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Jun 2002 16:31:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20020624142432.GB29552@cs.stevens-tech.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Schaumann writes: > On http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html you write that FreeBSD > was used for rendering work of the movie 'The Matrix' - I was wondering > if you'd know what software was used. Did they, by any chance, use > Pixar's Rederman, and if so, did they get a native binary or did it run > in Linux Emulation? IIRC, they used Renderman under Linux emulation. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 8:13:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (daemon.kr.freebsd.org [211.176.62.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBEE37B403; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gradius.wdb.co.kr (daemon [211.176.62.31]) by daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03D68F61A; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:13:21 +0900 (KST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gradius.wdb.co.kr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5OFCxxH016877; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:13:15 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:12:59 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <20020625.001259.74735514.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> To: sw@anthologeek.net Cc: cjh@FreeBSD.org, perky@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT access From: CHOI Junho In-Reply-To: <20020624134044.GB31318@anthologeek.net> References: <200206241126.g5OBQfm81364@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020624134044.GB31318@anthologeek.net> Organization: Korea FreeBSD Users Gruop X-URL: http://www.kr.FreeBSD.org/~cjh X-Mailer: Mew version 3.0.55 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Cc: ed to chat@) From: Sameh Ghane Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT access Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:40:44 +0200 > Le (On) Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:26:41AM -0700, CHOI Junho ecrivit (wrote): > > cjh 2002/06/24 04:26:41 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > . access > > Log: > > Please welcome Hye-Shik Chang , > > He showed much talent in tons of (mostly python-related) good-quality PRs. > > > > For me, he is first of my mentee and second committer in Korea. > > May both of you go farther than your original goals as your national > soccer team did ! :) Indeed! Do you know our supporters & fan, "Red Devils" is very closed to BSD daemons? Our crazy fans have red face, red body painting, red horns in his head. It's time to promote BSD to them. "You're already BSD daemon!" > > Cheers, > > -- > Sameh -- +++ Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers +++ CHOI Junho [sleeping now] [while sleeping] Korea FreeBSD Users Group Web Data Bank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 8:54:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from day.anthologeek.net (day.anthologeek.net [213.91.4.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1C137B401; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by day.anthologeek.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B874F17205; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:53:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:53:17 +0200 From: Sameh Ghane To: CHOI Junho Cc: perky@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT access Message-ID: <20020624155316.GC70671@anthologeek.net> References: <200206241126.g5OBQfm81364@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020624134044.GB31318@anthologeek.net> <20020625.001259.74735514.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020625.001259.74735514.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Keys: 0x1289F00D: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Le (On) Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:12:59AM +0900, CHOI Junho ecrivit (wrote): > > Do you know our supporters & fan, "Red Devils" is very closed to BSD > daemons? Our crazy fans have red face, red body painting, red horns in > his head. It's time to promote BSD to them. "You're already BSD daemon!" Maybe we could add an eyemask to Chuckie ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 9: 1:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (daemon.kr.freebsd.org [211.176.62.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4D537B406; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gradius.wdb.co.kr (daemon [211.176.62.31]) by daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D68B8F612; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:00:09 +0900 (KST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gradius.wdb.co.kr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5OFxxxH017870; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:00:04 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:59:58 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <20020625.005958.41647528.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> To: sw@anthologeek.net Cc: perky@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT access From: CHOI Junho In-Reply-To: <20020624155316.GC70671@anthologeek.net> References: <20020624134044.GB31318@anthologeek.net> <20020625.001259.74735514.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> <20020624155316.GC70671@anthologeek.net> Organization: Korea FreeBSD Users Gruop X-URL: http://www.kr.FreeBSD.org/~cjh X-Mailer: Mew version 3.0.55 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Sameh Ghane Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT access Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:53:17 +0200 > Le (On) Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:12:59AM +0900, CHOI Junho ecrivit (wrote): > > > > Do you know our supporters & fan, "Red Devils" is very closed to BSD > > daemons? Our crazy fans have red face, red body painting, red horns in > > his head. It's time to promote BSD to them. "You're already BSD daemon!" > > Maybe we could add an eyemask to Chuckie ? Or Red Devils can have a tail. -- +++ Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers +++ CHOI Junho [sleeping now] [while sleeping] Korea FreeBSD Users Group Web Data Bank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 16:27:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from delta.gecadsoftware.com (delta.gecadsoftware.com [193.230.245.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132A337B401 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by delta1.gecadsoftware.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD8E18E88 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:16:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from taz.gecadsoftware.com (taz.gecadsoftware.com [193.230.245.17]) by delta.gecadsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF978E7F for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:16:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: by taz.gecadsoftware.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:25:54 +0300 Message-ID: From: GeCAD Technical Support Reply-To: Replay support To: freebsd-chat Subject: Thank you for your inquiry Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:25:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ***This is an automated message response*** Thank you for your inquiry. 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Just go to http://200.38.128.154/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 9:56: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F078B37B404 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.176.181]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020625165602.SXYE1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020625115215.01ab5ed0@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:53:06 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Let Microsoft secure your PC! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First the RIAA. Then the MPAA. Now Microsoft. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/06/24/020624hnpalladium.xml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 13:30:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017D37B400 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0300.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.45] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Mwx2-0002v0-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3D18D2AE.CB27F665@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:29:34 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Let Microsoft secure your PC! References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020625115215.01ab5ed0@threespace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Morton wrote: > First the RIAA. Then the MPAA. Now Microsoft. > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/06/24/020624hnpalladium.xml "Palladium" is also the name of the printing system out of MIT Project Athena, which was adopted as the standard way to do printing (POSIX standard). I guess "Winmodems" worked so well that we're now going to have "WinPC"'s... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 14:45:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FE037B400 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01094; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:45:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <200206252145.PAA01094@lariat.org> To: tech_info@threespace.com, tlambert2@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Let Microsoft secure your PC! Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3D18D2AE.CB27F665@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just posted an article on Microsoft's "Palladium" this morning. While it's named after the statue of Athena (Pallas) that guarded the gates of the legendary city of Troy, it sure seems more like a Trojan horse.... See http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,264949,00.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 18:34:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47637B404 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from C595663-A.attbi.com ([12.254.218.35]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020626013447.HBHP15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C595663-A.attbi.com>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:34:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:34:41 -0600 From: Joe Warner To: Chip Morton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Let Microsoft secure your PC! Message-Id: <20020625193441.2b863e43.rootman22@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020625115215.01ab5ed0@threespace.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020625115215.01ab5ed0@threespace.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:53:06 -0500 Chip Morton wrote: > First the RIAA. Then the MPAA. Now Microsoft. > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/06/24/020624hnpalladium.xml > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message So, now they want to be in the hardware business too? Pheh, I'm glad they're so concerned about security. Joe -- Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 20:18:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2C537B403; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5550781707; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:22 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:22 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Darren Reed Cc: Robert Watson , mjacob@feral.com, FreeBSD Chat Subject: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626031822.GB58470@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to chat after removing personal comments] On Wednesday, 26 June 2002 at 1:20:59 +1000, Darren Reed wrote: > > Is there something about North America which seems to make people over > there humour impaired ? I've detected it on more than one occasion and > it always makes it harder to deal with such people - even face to face. Humour is very often national in character. I have detected some people in the USA who have something like humour, but they don't understand ours. And those Australians who have been exiled to the USA frequently start losing their mind^W^W^Wappreciating American humour. > Hmmm, maybe it is a Northern Hemisphere thing because there seems to > be a similar problem in some parts of Europe too! Well, again, the Europeans and the Americans frequently don't understand each others' humour. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 20:19:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A2337B400; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E572816B7; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:49:40 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:49:40 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jonathan Lemon , Darren Reed , Robert Watson , mjacob@feral.com, FreeBSD Chat Subject: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626031939.GC58470@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20020625104151.K2578@prism.flugsvamp.com> <20020625180302.A10322@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020625180302.A10322@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Tuesday, 25 June 2002 at 18:03:02 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:41:51AM -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:20:59AM +1000, Darren Reed wrote: >>> >>> Is there something about North America which seems to make people over >>> there humour impaired ? I've detected it on more than one occasion and >>> it always makes it harder to deal with such people - even face to face. >>> >>> Hmmm, maybe it is a Northern Hemisphere thing because there seems to be >>> a similar problem in some parts of Europe too! >> >> Hmm, last time I checked, my sense of humor was fine. Are you sure >> that yours isn't inverted? Must be an .au thing. > > It is definitely an 'ice-cold Foster's thingy' ;-) Fosters is no joke. Like Stella Artois, it has to be exported because nobody at home will drink it. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 20:20:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FD937B400 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4FB816B7; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:50:31 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:50:31 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Nick Sayer Cc: Greg Lewis , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Beer substitutes (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626032031.GD58470@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20020625104151.K2578@prism.flugsvamp.com> <20020625180302.A10322@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020626022633.B1719@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <3D18A373.7070105@kfu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D18A373.7070105@kfu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Tuesday, 25 June 2002 at 10:08:03 -0700, Nick Sayer wrote: > Greg Lewis wrote: > >> Hate to break it to ya... but nobody in Australia actually drinks Fosters. >> We only export the stuff (bloody Yarra water muck). > > I knew a professor in college who shampooed his dog with it. Or so he > told us. He should stop immediately. That stuff's dangerous. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 21: 1:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E92537B403; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0431.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.176] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17N3zp-0001t2-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:00:34 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: Darren Reed , Robert Watson , mjacob@feral.com, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) References: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20020626031822.GB58470@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Humour is very often national in character. I have detected some > people in the USA who have something like humour, but they don't > understand ours. And those Australians who have been exiled to the > USA frequently start losing their mind^W^W^Wappreciating American > humour. The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 21: 4:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CC937B404; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5Q44NW1022060; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:04:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: (from polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5Q44Mld022059; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen Message-Id: <200206260404.g5Q44Mld022059@m-net.arbornet.org> To: grog@FreeBSD.ORG, tlambert2@mindspring.com Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, mjacob@feral.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. WOULDN"T THAT BE MORE A SIGN_OF puberty OR living? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 21:31:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6180537B400 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5Q4VnHn014231 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020625213019.A14227-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. http://people.cornell.edu/pages/slp29/insane.html In case you need to test either your sense of humor or your sanity. Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 23:13:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24B937B4D1 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5Q6A8k6085210; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:10:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5Q6A7dN085045; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:10:07 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG, Jonathan Lemon , Darren Reed , Robert Watson , mjacob@feral.com, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626081007.A81650@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200206251520.BAA06303@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20020625104151.K2578@prism.flugsvamp.com> <20020625180302.A10322@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020626031939.GC58470@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020626031939.GC58470@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:49:40PM +0930 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:49:40PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > [moved to -chat] > > On Tuesday, 25 June 2002 at 18:03:02 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:41:51AM -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:20:59AM +1000, Darren Reed wrote: > >>> > >>> Is there something about North America which seems to make people over > >>> there humour impaired ? I've detected it on more than one occasion and > >>> it always makes it harder to deal with such people - even face to face. > >>> > >>> Hmmm, maybe it is a Northern Hemisphere thing because there seems to be > >>> a similar problem in some parts of Europe too! > >> > >> Hmm, last time I checked, my sense of humor was fine. Are you sure > >> that yours isn't inverted? Must be an .au thing. > > > > It is definitely an 'ice-cold Foster's thingy' ;-) > > Fosters is no joke. Like Stella Artois, it has to be exported because > nobody at home will drink it. Well, I really liked the Fosters while in Hong Kong. Given enough moisture and heat during the day any beer will do the deed ;) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 2:35:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757E837B401 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 02:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a147.otenet.gr [212.205.215.147]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5Q9ZMxR011811; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:35:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5Q9ZLdE002373; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:35:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5Q9WTqJ002310; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:32:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:32:29 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Brett Glass Cc: tech_info@threespace.com, tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Let Microsoft secure your PC! Message-ID: <20020626093229.GB2009@hades.hell.gr> References: <3D18D2AE.CB27F665@mindspring.com> <200206252145.PAA01094@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200206252145.PAA01094@lariat.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-Phone: +30-944-116520 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-25 15:45 +0000, Brett Glass wrote: > I just posted an article on Microsoft's "Palladium" this morning. > While it's named after the statue of Athena (Pallas) that guarded > the gates of the legendary city of Troy, it sure seems more like > a Trojan horse.... See > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,264949,00.asp It all seems very proper, once you think about it for a while. Pallas, the goddess Athena, was also the protector of Ullysses, one of the most prominent Greek lords. She had assisted him many times in battle against the Troadites, in acts of spying, and was the one that finally gave him hints that lead to the creation of the Trojan Horse. So much for the "protector goddess" beliefs ;) Typical of the anthropomorphic ways in which Greeks believed their gods and goddesses lived, she was mostly after her own personal plans, and was probably laughing her head off every time some devout Troadite prayed in her temple within Troy, munching on the offerings of the priests. The saying that was coined as a result of the whole Trojan Horse incident, "Fear the Greeks, even when they bear gifts", applies equally well to the Greek gods. Therefore: Fear Pallada, even when she bears gifts. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 5:27:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC11737B401 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from flynn@localhost) by energyhq.homeip.net (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id g5QCS6l18680; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:28:05 +0200 From: flynn@energyhq.homeip.net To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! Message-ID: <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 08:27:09AM +0530, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: [moved to chat@] Hi, Your message is a very obvious troll, but what the heck :-P > am in love with the penguin. As for me I haven't found anything that's > drastically wrong as it always happens with Winblows. On the contrary the= re ^^^^^^^^^ Ironic, since your message was composed using Microsoft Outlook :) But yes, making fun of Microsoft is fashionable among Linux users. :) > are revolutionary changes in 2.4 series kernels. One that has made my lif= e a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Translation: We change the VM subsystem every other week, and, 80% of the released kernels are heavily buggy, but since this is the revolutionary linux kernel we can just do it in the stable branch :) > FreeBSD. But one thing I dislike about it is ipfw. Its so complicated. In > contrast iptables in Linux is a pleasure to use. Apart from that upgrading Complicated as in spending 10 minutes reading the ipfw man page? > Linux kernel is an easy task. I always patch my kernel with the latest > updates and then I compile it. It runs like a dream. And believe me, I > haven't faced a single problem in the last three years. But one thing I Not that upgrading a FreeBSD system is hard or something. > bother about the HCL, thanks to Linux. So I think the Penguin is doing a > great job. And under no circumstances it is inferior to the daemon. I want Nobody has implied that, every OS has its strengths and weaknesses. > to conclude with the slogan ..."In Penguin I trust". LOL, good one. Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Of course it runs NetBSD! --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (NetBSD) iD8DBQE9GbNVnLctrNyFFPERAq0mAJ9rWh8AJ5t0iLUKuUI+eDpHIkDfDQCfb6jd ue7/DqeX5ML/TWY/gfRUlEs= =IiFp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 7:44:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C86337B406 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24438 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2002 14:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO corrsl7vs6l3tz) (203.197.109.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp009-rz3) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 14:44:19 -0000 Message-ID: <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> From: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" To: Cc: References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> Subject: Fact Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:13:22 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Miguel Mendez" >To: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 PM >Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! >Ironic, since your message was composed using Microsoft Outlook :) But yes, making fun of Microsoft is fashionable among >Linux users. :) miguel, You want to know why MS Outlook was used to compose that message?? Well it seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west. And it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem or a winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of the Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem. Maybe you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris driver for my winmodem. As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available drivers but sadly none of them worked. Its really ironic, that making a comment without really knowing the fact is fashionable among some people. -Sanjay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 7:49:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B3637B406 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QEmC106018; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5QEmCb21213; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QEm9R21206; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D19D429.5A734EF7@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:09 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > miguel, > You want to know why MS Outlook was used to compose that message?? Well it > seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west. And > it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem or a > winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of the > Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem. Maybe > you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris driver for > my winmodem. As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available > drivers but sadly none of them worked. Its really ironic, that making a > comment without really knowing the fact is fashionable among some people. Good points - but, you could afford a license for Windows, and not a modem? I can find modems for about $10 on ebay, and a Windows license can be $100. Not trying to piss you off any more, but I just thought it was a curious predicament. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 10:48:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBFCF37B40E for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32586 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2002 17:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO corrsl7vs6l3tz) (203.200.173.152) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 17:47:55 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c21d39$7c39cf60$98adc8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> From: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" To: References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <3D19D429.5A734EF7@centtech.com> Subject: Re: Fact Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:16:36 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org eric anderson, paul robinson and rahul sidharthan, to answer your question, yes our copy of Windows is legal. As a matter of fact 7 of us guys contributed towards buying the computer which came preinstalled with a licensed copy of Windows and other software. We had to save a lot of money to do that. we are not one of those goddamned piraters. All the other guys who use this computer works with Windows. And paul i am using windows to write this mail since i have no other options. paul its bloody easy for you to lecture like a damned stupid fool, since you have no goddamn idea about about how hard life can be. Dammit, life is tough. And rahul sidharthan, I will buy you a drink if you can get me an external modem for Rs. 2000. Abe sale, mein tujhe fokat mein daru pila dunga, agar tune mujhe ek modem 2000 rupiah ki dila diya to. And one more thing rahul, I am not changing subject lines. In case you haven't noticed it or you are pretending not to notice it, I was sent a mail by miguel about the fact that I have used Outlook to send the mail. Oh and one more thing. I am sick and tired of this list and all you people. I am very happy with Linux and Solaris and I want to keep it that way. I am unsubscribing from the list and so I don't want any of these mails from any of you people coming to my mailbox as a general courtsey which I guess you all are aware of. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 10:56:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F0437B408 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QHu9110984 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5QHu9403892 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QHu6R03885 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D1A0036.DF33313A@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:56:06 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <3D19D429.5A734EF7@centtech.com> <004101c21d39$7c39cf60$98adc8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sometimes, it's just too easy. Eric Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > > eric anderson, paul robinson and rahul sidharthan, to answer your question, > yes our copy of Windows is legal. As a matter of fact 7 of us guys > contributed towards buying the computer which came preinstalled with a > licensed copy of Windows and other software. We had to save a lot of money > to do that. we are not one of those goddamned piraters. All the other guys > who use this computer works with Windows. And paul i am using windows to > write this mail since i have no other options. paul its bloody easy for you > to lecture like a damned stupid fool, since you have no goddamn idea about > about how hard life can be. Dammit, life is tough. And rahul sidharthan, I > will buy you a drink if you can get me an external modem for Rs. 2000. Abe > sale, mein tujhe fokat mein daru pila dunga, agar tune mujhe ek modem 2000 > rupiah ki dila diya to. And one more thing rahul, I am not changing subject > lines. In case you haven't noticed it or you are pretending not to notice > it, I was sent a mail by miguel about the fact that I have used Outlook to > send the mail. Oh and one more thing. I am sick and tired of this list and > all you people. I am very happy with Linux and Solaris and I want to keep it > that way. I am unsubscribing from the list and so I don't want any of these > mails from any of you people coming to my mailbox as a general courtsey > which I guess you all are aware of. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 11:18:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A297737B401 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NHNJ-0004GS-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:18:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:21:18 -0600 To: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" , From: RichardH Subject: Re: Fact Cc: In-Reply-To: <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all=20 Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to=20 bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no=20 regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold=20 into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use=20 your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help= =20 the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we=20 should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a=20 footnote. There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We=20 don't believe this to be a coincidence. =97Jeremy S. Anderson At 08:43 AM 6/26/2002, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > >From: "Miguel Mendez" > >To: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" > >Cc: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 PM > >Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! > > >Ironic, since your message was composed using Microsoft Outlook :) But= yes, >making fun of Microsoft is fashionable among >Linux users. :) > >miguel, >You want to know why MS Outlook was used to compose that message?? Well it >seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west.= And >it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem or a >winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of= the >Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem.= Maybe >you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris driver= for >my winmodem. As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available >drivers but sadly none of them worked. Its really ironic, that making a >comment without really knowing the fact is fashionable among some people. > >-Sanjay > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a=20 Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and=20 explode once a year killing everyone inside. =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 11:31:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7D937B746 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5QISEW1007596; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:28:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g5QISDPc007593; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen To: RichardH Cc: Sanjay Bhattacharya , , Subject: Re: Fact In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Message-ID: <20020626142749.D6727-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hahah.ahaHAHahah. What a poltroon you are, jingo! On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, RichardH wrote: > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to hel= p > the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we > should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a > footnote. > > > There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We > don't believe this to be a coincidence. > =97Jeremy S. Anderson > > > > > At 08:43 AM 6/26/2002, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > > >From: "Miguel Mendez" > > >To: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 PM > > >Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! > > > > >Ironic, since your message was composed using Microsoft Outlook :) But= yes, > >making fun of Microsoft is fashionable among >Linux users. :) > > > >miguel, > >You want to know why MS Outlook was used to compose that message?? Well = it > >seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west.= And > >it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem or = a > >winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of= the > >Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem. M= aybe > >you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris driver= for > >my winmodem. As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available > >drivers but sadly none of them worked. Its really ironic, that making a > >comment without really knowing the fact is fashionable among some people= =2E > > > >-Sanjay > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a > Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and > explode once a year killing everyone inside. > =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 12: 6: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.seattleFenix.net (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-501.oz.net [216.39.145.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE3137B616 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from roo@localhost) by mail.seattleFenix.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5QJ54Q09175; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roo) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:05:04 -0700 From: Benjamin Krueger To: RichardH Cc: Sanjay Bhattacharya , flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020626120504.E8071@mail.seattleFenix.net> References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net>; from richardh@wsonline.net on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:21:18PM -0600 X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * RichardH (richardh@wsonline.net) [020626 11:23]: > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help > the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we > should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a > footnote. > > > There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We > don't believe this to be a coincidence. > —Jeremy S. Anderson I don't think I am alone in believing that this is not only inappropriate for the list, but also in very poor taste. Please keep the conversation civil. -- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 12:15:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBC637B79A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NIBW-0003D2-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:10:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:13:12 -0600 To: Benjamin Krueger From: RichardH Subject: Re: Fact Cc: Sanjay Bhattacharya , flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020626120504.E8071@mail.seattleFenix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans are= =20 rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they want= =20 what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based= =20 governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it=20 against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the=20 people and not allowing them to live comfortably. At 01:05 PM 6/26/2002, Benjamin Krueger wrote: >* RichardH (richardh@wsonline.net) [020626 11:23]: > > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all > > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to > > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no > > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just= fold > > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use > > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to= help > > the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we > > should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be= a > > footnote. > > > > > > There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We > > don't believe this to be a coincidence. > > =97Jeremy S. Anderson > >I don't think I am alone in believing that this is not only inappropriate= for >the list, but also in very poor taste. Please keep the conversation civil. > >-- >Benjamin Krueger > >"Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." >- Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) >Fingerprint =3D A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a=20 Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and=20 explode once a year killing everyone inside. =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 13:21: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CC137C7CB for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1F74A9FBEB; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:10:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:10:37 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: RichardH Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020626201037.GA353@rfc822.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:13:12PM -0600, RichardH wrote: > I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans are > rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they want > what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based > governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it > against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the > people and not allowing them to live comfortably. > RichardH, meet procmail. procmail, this is RichardH. *plonk* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 13:34:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6E937CD2B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b229.otenet.gr [212.205.244.237]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5QKRgR8029708; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:27:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5QKRgu4002300; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:27:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5QKGdJm002265; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:16:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:16:39 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626201639.GC1971@hades.hell.gr> References: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> <20020625213019.A14227-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020625213019.A14227-100000@server2.highperformance.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-Phone: +30-944-116520 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-25 21:31 +0000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. > > http://people.cornell.edu/pages/slp29/insane.html > In case you need to test either your sense of humor or your sanity. Apparently, after "testing" my entire family, we're all a bunch of raving lunatics. Splendid :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 15:52:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9218737B407 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.btinternet.com (213-78-78-14.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.78.14]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AHU24229; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:29:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626232352.00a928f0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: burhan@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:30:14 +0100 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Burhan Nazir Subject: Re: Fact In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline. net> References: <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:21 26/06/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Get a life, you know we could just fold into ourselves and let you people= =20 >just kill each other off and then use your resources as we see fit.=20 >Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help the downtrodden instead of=20 >letting nature take its course with you as we should, in 10 years with no= =20 >help from us or our allies you would all be a footnote. Oh Richard, what typical arrogance you display on a public list...open your= =20 eyes fool. -Burhan >There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We=20 >don't believe this to be a coincidence. >=97Jeremy S. Anderson > > > > >At 08:43 AM 6/26/2002, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: >> >From: "Miguel Mendez" >> >To: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 PM >> >Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! >> >> >Ironic, since your message was composed using Microsoft Outlook :) But= yes, >>making fun of Microsoft is fashionable among >Linux users. :) >> >>miguel, >>You want to know why MS Outlook was used to compose that message?? Well it >>seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west.= And >>it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem or a >>winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of= the >>Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem.= Maybe >>you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris driver= for >>my winmodem. As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available >>drivers but sadly none of them worked. Its really ironic, that making a >>comment without really knowing the fact is fashionable among some people. >> >>-Sanjay >> >> >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a=20 > Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and=20 > explode once a year killing everyone inside. > =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16: 4:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9E537B4DF for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QMWDb06183 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0039.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.39] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLKc-0007n1-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1A40C3.657AC615@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:31:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <3D19D429.5A734EF7@centtech.com> <004101c21d39$7c39cf60$98adc8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: [ ... ] FWIW, you should be able to use your Winmodem from a UNIX if you run UNIX under VMWare, or you run Windows under VMWare and directly assign the resources, and route through Windows. The easiest way to do this is to put the Windows at 192.168.0.1, and enable "Internet Connection Sharing", with the FreeBSD on the system running at 192.168.9.X (1 < X < 127). Also FWIW, if you don't want to get reactions like this to Linux advocacy, it's probably a good idea to not post Linux Advocacy to a list beginning with "freebsd-". I think the same thing could be said for any OS-specific mailing list that wasn't a Linux list. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16: 6:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.k12us.com (mail.k12us.com [65.112.222.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FCE737B624 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10094 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jun 2002 22:28:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:28:36 -0400 From: Christopher Weimann To: pgreen Cc: grog@FreeBSD.ORG, tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, mjacob@feral.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) Message-ID: <20020626182836.F35797@mail.k12us.com> References: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> <200206260404.g5Q44Mld022059@m-net.arbornet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200206260404.g5Q44Mld022059@m-net.arbornet.org>; from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:04:22AM -0400 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:04:22AM -0400, pgreen wrote: > > > The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. > > WOULDN"T THAT BE MORE A SIGN_OF puberty OR living? > Yes, and that would also be the joke... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16:11: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A6037B67A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QMOJb00211 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0039.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.39] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLCr-00056g-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:24:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1A3EE1.765AB9F4@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:23:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > Well it > seems that I am not lucky and rich enough like you people from the west. We're so rich, we can't afford to buy our mail clients from Microsoft, we have to write our own... 8-). FWIW, "luck" has nothing to do with it. It's actually the result of our strong intellectual property laws (as much as they seem to have gone too far these days), and blind enforcement of the social contract. Actually, except in one or two largely Socialist states, where you can't save yourself from it, India has a poor track record on uniform enforcement of the social contract. If you do not believe me, try to start a business in under a month without bribing anyone. > And it so happens that I am a poor guy from India with an internal modem That must hurt when you walk... > or a > winmodem to be precise, which to my knowledge is not supported by any of the > Unices that I've worked with. I simply can't afford an external modem. I have a Winmodem on my Sony VAIO. Mostly, I've just been too busy to port the Rockwell HCF driver. > Maybe you as an expert, know better and can suggest a Linux/bsd/Solaris > driver for my winmodem. Maybe he can; maybe I can. More likely we will suggest a FreeBSD driver. What is the chipset and model of the thing? > As far as Linux is concerned, I have tried some available > drivers but sadly none of them worked. Linux Winmodem drivers actually tend to work better on FreeBSD; it's a timing thing. Though fewer of them have been ported. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16:14:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE2537B62A; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0039.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.39] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLh9-0002Kd-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1A4636.9F8BD1C8@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:54:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weimann Cc: pgreen , grog@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, mjacob@feral.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No sense of humour? (was: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)) References: <3D193C62.7A30BC7D@mindspring.com> <200206260404.g5Q44Mld022059@m-net.arbornet.org> <20020626182836.F35797@mail.k12us.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christopher Weimann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:04:22AM -0400, pgreen wrote: > > > > > The second sign of insanity is hair on your knuckles. > > > > WOULDN"T THAT BE MORE A SIGN_OF puberty OR living? > > > > Yes, and that would also be the joke... ON the knuckles, not BETWEEN the knuckles. The joke is that it's the SECOND sign of insanity. The first sign of insanity is lokking for hair on your knuckles. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16:33:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075B637BF3B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id D22F75363; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:25:22 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: RichardH Cc: Benjamin Krueger , Sanjay Bhattacharya , flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 27 Jun 2002 01:25:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org RichardH writes: > I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all > Americans are rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any > list. If they want what we have then they simply need to overthrow > their little warlord based governments and join the rest of the > civilized world, do not hold it against America and the west because > their leaders are stealing from the people and not allowing them to > live comfortably. Unlike the US, India has a democratically elected government. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16:52:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BC537C3C4 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QMMhR15799 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLBS-0003Pu-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:22:42 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162333.00adcb38@mail.storm2k.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:25:20 -0600 To: chat@freebsd.org From: RichardH Subject: deletion from mail lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org no biggie, just proves that people can crap on the US all they want and=20 when they are called on it the liberals in this country will side with them= =20 rather than their own country, have fun. If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a=20 Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and=20 explode once a year killing everyone inside. =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 17: 9: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C708C37C8ED for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0039.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.39] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NMlj-0005qE-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:04:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:03:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: RichardH , Benjamin Krueger , Sanjay Bhattacharya , flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Unlike the US, India has a democratically elected government. India's Prime Minister is elected by direct popular voting? 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 17:35:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4B437D002 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5QMYxb08205 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0039.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.39] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLNG-0003Tg-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1A4166.93023E61@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:34:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgreen Cc: RichardH , Sanjay Bhattacharya , flynn@energyhq.homeip.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020626142749.D6727-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org pgreen wrote: > > Hahah.ahaHAHahah. What a poltroon you are, jingo! Forty quatloons on the newcomer. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 19: 9:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5A5A37B40A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5097 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2002 02:08:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:08:50 +0200 (MEST) From: Sanjay Bhattacharya To: postmaster@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org;, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: This is an insult X-Priority: 2 (High) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0014812425@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [203.197.109.148] Message-ID: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have unsubscribed from this list as I thought some of the posts were rather useless. And even after unsubscribing I'm receiving post which I consider nothing but spam. richard you bastard racist son of a bitch. I am from India. India never bombed America. I see racism clearly in your post. Well hear this... You seem to be an illiterate, uncultured, ignorant and a stupid dumb jerk. Your knowledge of geography is worse than that of a kid. For your information terrorists , WHO WERE NOT INDIANS, did the bombing. And who the bloody hell do you think you are. What gives you the right to insult Indians and India in a list like this??? India is a great nation which has always believed in peace and not war. And if you have some political knowledge, which I believe is impossible for an illiterate fool like you, you shall see that India always spreads the message of peace throughout the world. I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THIS LIST AS BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO INSULT US (INDIANS) OR INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RICHARD IMMIDIATELY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichardH" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Fact > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help > the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we > should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a > footnote. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichardH" To: "Benjamin Krueger" Cc: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Fact >I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans are >rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they want >what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based >governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it >against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the >people and not allowing them to live comfortably. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 19:35:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.seattleFenix.net (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-501.oz.net [216.39.145.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6235537B405; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from roo@localhost) by mail.seattleFenix.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5R2b4T10919; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roo) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:37:03 -0700 From: Benjamin Krueger To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org;, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: This is an insult Message-ID: <20020626193703.A10800@mail.seattleFenix.net> References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net>; from sanbh@gmx.net on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:08:50AM +0200 X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Sanjay Bhattacharya (sanbh@gmx.net) [020626 19:23]: > I have unsubscribed from this list as I thought some of the posts were > rather useless. And even after unsubscribing I'm receiving post which I consider > nothing but spam. richard you bastard racist son of a bitch. I am from India. > India never bombed America. I see racism clearly in your post. Well hear > this... You seem to be an illiterate, uncultured, ignorant and a stupid dumb > jerk. Your knowledge of geography is worse than that of a kid. For your > information terrorists , WHO WERE NOT INDIANS, did the bombing. And who the bloody > hell do you think you are. What gives you the right to insult Indians and India > in a list like this??? India is a great nation which has always believed in > peace and not war. And if you have some political knowledge, which I believe > is impossible for an illiterate fool like you, you shall see that India always > spreads the message of peace throughout the world. > > I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD > (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THIS LIST AS > BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO INSULT US (INDIANS) OR > INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RICHARD > IMMIDIATELY. Sanjay, I understand your frustration with this troll. Sometimes the best response is no response at all. While he may be unable to see some things clearly, I can state as a matter of fact that most folks on this list do not agree with his statements. I am sorry that you feel that the actions of one person should represent the feelings of an entire group. Perhaps the best way to deal with email from Richard is to just delete it on sight, or better, remove it with a filter. Although it might be nice to try and have everyone who disagrees with us (or even hates us) removed, it would not be right. Kindest Regards, Peace, and Health, ---------- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 19:55:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hub.FreeBSD.org (host-64-110-76-209.interpacket.net [64.110.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 948F537B407 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "BARR. BELLO MUSA" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:01:18 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: URGENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020627025502.948F537B407@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ATTN:SIR AM WRITING TO YOU FOLLOWING THE IMPRESSIVE INFORMATION I GOT ABOUT YOU THROUGH A CONSULTANCY FIRM UNDER NIGERIAN BAR ASSOCIATION. HE ASSURED ME OF YOUR CAPABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO CHAMPION THIS BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. IN A FORMAL INTRODUCTION I AM BARRISTER BELLO MUSA A SOLICITOR AT LAW AND SENIOR ADVOCATE OF NIGERIA (SAN) EQUALY AN ATTORNEY TO ONE OF YOUR NATIONALS WHO RUNS A CONTRACTING FIRM IN NIGERIA AFTER SHALL BE REFERRED AS MY CLIENT.ON JANUARY 4TH 1998 MY CLIENT, HIS WIFE&THEIR THREE CHILDREN WERE INVOLVED IN GHASTLY AUTO CRASH AND UNFORTUNATELY ALL LOST THEIR LIVES, SINCE THEN I HAVE MADE SEVERAL ENQUIRIES TO YOUR EMBASSY TO LOCATE ANY OF MY CLIENT'S EXTENDED RELATIVES, THIS HAS ALSO PROVED ABORTIVE,AFTER THESE SEVERAL UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPTS, TO LOCATE ANY MEMBER OF HIS FAMILY TO PRESENT AS NEXT OF KIN IN RESPECT OF THE SUM OF US$23.5M(TWENTY THREE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) DEPOSITED WITH UNION BANK OF NIGERIA BY MY LATE CLIENT OF WHICH THE BANK HAS CONTACTED ME TO PROVIDE THE NEXT OF KIN TO MY CLIENT TO COME OVER AND CLAIM HIS MONEY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT RELEASE IT UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIES THROUGH ME FOR IT, AS NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION TO THE DECEASED AS INDICATED IN THEIR BANKING GUIDELINES. AS NOBODY WAS LEFT BEHIND FOR THE CLAIM. IT IS THEREFORE UPON THIS DISCOVERY THAT I NOW DECIDED TO MAKE BUSINESS WITH YOU AND PROCESS THE RELEASE / TRANSFER OF THE MONEY TO YOU AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR RELATIONS OF MY DECEASED CLIENT FOR SAFETY AND SUBSEQUENT DISBURSEMENT SINCE NOBODY IS COMING FOR IT AND I DON'T WANT THIS MONEY TO GO INTO DISBURSEMENT ACCOUNT AS UNCLAIMED BILLAS THE BANKING LAW AND GUIDELINES WHERE THE DEPOSITE WAS MADE STIPULATED THAT IF SUCH MONEY REMAINED UNCLAIMED AFTER FOUR YEARS THE MONEY WILL BE TRANSFERRED INTO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT AS UNCLAIMED FUND HENCE THEY HAVE NOTIFIED ME OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND INSTRUCTED ME TO PROVIDE THE NEXT OF KIN WITHIN 14 DAYS. THE REQUEST OF A FOREIGNER AS NEXT OF KIN IN THIS BUSINESS IS OCCASIONED BY THE FACT THAT MY CLIENT WAS A FOREIGNER AND A NIGERIAN CANNOT STAND AS NEXT OF KIN TO A FOREIGNER. I AGREE THAT 40% OF THIS MONEY WILL BE FOR YOU AS FOREIGN PARTNER AND 10% FOR EXPENSES INCURRED DURING THE COURSE OF REMITTANCE & 50% FOR ME THEREAFTER TO THE PERCENTAGES INDICATED. THEREFORE TO ENABLE THE IMMEDIATE PROCESSING OF THE TRANSFER OF THE FUND TO YOU AS ARRANGED. YOU MUST PROVIDE ACCOUNT PARTICULARS WHICH I WILL USE TO APPLY TO THE BANK REFERRING YOU AS THE NEXT OF KIN /RELATION OF MY DECEASED CLIENT INDICATING YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND LOCATION WHERE IN THE MONEY WILL BE REMITTED . UPON RECEIPT OF YOUR REPLY I WILL BRIEF YOU DEEPLY ON HOW EVERY THING WILL BE DONE AS YOU RECEIVE THIS LETTER& WILLING TO ASSIST IN THIS ONES IN LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY, YOU SHOULD CONTACT ME AT ONCE THROUGH THE EMAIL ADDRESSES ONLY AND INDICATE YOUR DIRECT CONFIDENTIAL TELEPHONE/FAX NUMBERS FOR THE EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION REQUIRED I ADVISE YOU TO GIVE THIS TRANSACTION THE MAXIMUM CONFIDENTIALITY IT REQUIRES BECAUSE OF IT'S NATURE AND I WILL NOT LIKE TO DENT MY IMAGE . TRUSTING TO HEARING FORM YOU IMMEDIATELY. YOURS FAITHFULLY, BARRISTER BELLO MUSA TELE/FAX:234-1-7596854 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 20: 2:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wso-h001.wsonline.net (12-254-30-97.client.attbi.com [12.254.30.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3A537B40F for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seahorse.attbi.com (trilluser@seahorse [192.168.1.101]) by wso-h001.wsonline.net (8.12.4/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5R2vWt2053530; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seahorse51@attbi.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626205221.00aa5220@wsonline.net> X-Sender: seahorse@wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:57:31 -0600 To: Burhan Nazir , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andy Subject: A Tribute To The United States (was Re: Fact) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626232352.00a928f0@mail.btinternet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline. net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_296997129==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_296997129==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A Tribute To The United States This is kinda long, but I think it is worth taking a couple of minutes to read. TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. At 12:28 06/26/2002, pgreen wrote: >Hahah.ahaHAHahah. What a poltroon you are, jingo! At 16:30 06/26/2002, Burhan Nazir wrote: >At 12:21 26/06/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >>Get a life, you know we could just fold into ourselves and let you people >>just kill each other off and then use your resources as we see fit. >>Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help the downtrodden instead of >>letting nature take its course with you as we should, in 10 years with no >>help from us or our allies you would all be a footnote. > >Oh Richard, what typical arrogance you display on a public list...open >your eyes fool. > >-Burhan --=====================_296997129==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" A Tribute To The United States

This is kinda long, but I think it is worth taking a couple of minutes to read.

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?

If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!


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This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do.

At 12:28 06/26/2002, pgreen wrote:
Hahah.ahaHAHahah.  What a poltroon you are, jingo!

At 16:30 06/26/2002, Burhan Nazir wrote:
At 12:21 26/06/2002 -0600, you wrote:

Get a life, you know we could just fold into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a footnote.

Oh Richard, what typical arrogance you display on a public list...open your eyes fool.

-Burhan
--=====================_296997129==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 20:55:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7773637B40E; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.86.84]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:53 -0400 Received: by i8k.babbleon.org (Postfix, from userid 111) id D9CD9BA05; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: Sanjay Bhattacharya , postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This is an insult Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020627035040.D9CD9BA05@i8k.babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This doesn't belong on questions, so I've removed it. I would just like to support Sanjay's position. Of course, the entire *thread* doesn't belong, but the quoted messages have no place on any FreeBSD list, and I support the idea of kicking Richard off the lists. At the same time, Richard's mesages seem to have been confined to -chat, and though even -chat is supposed to be connected to FreeBSD, and least political debates are less out of place there than on -chat. Since Sanjay felt that he had to bring this mess over to questions, perhaps he should be blocked from that list, too, while y'all are at it. Or perhaps everybody could just work a little harder on behaving with common decency and sticking to technial topics. (Though if RichardH or anybody else can't manage to refrain from making unwarrented attacks on the heritage of the members of the list I hope that he would be tossed.) Let's please stick insulting people for their inane choice of editors or window managers rather than for their country's politics. On Wednesday 26 June 2002 10:08 pm, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: | I have unsubscribed from this list as I thought some of the posts were | rather useless. And even after unsubscribing I'm receiving post which I | consider nothing but spam. richard you bastard racist son of a bitch. I am | from India. India never bombed America. I see racism clearly in your post. | Well hear this... You seem to be an illiterate, uncultured, ignorant and a | stupid dumb jerk. Your knowledge of geography is worse than that of a kid. | For your information terrorists , WHO WERE NOT INDIANS, did the bombing. | And who the bloody hell do you think you are. What gives you the right to | insult Indians and India in a list like this??? India is a great nation | which has always believed in peace and not war. And if you have some | political knowledge, which I believe is impossible for an illiterate fool | like you, you shall see that India always spreads the message of peace | throughout the world. | | I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD | (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO | CONSIDER THIS LIST AS BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO | INSULT US (INDIANS) OR INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE | ACTION AGAINST RICHARD IMMIDIATELY. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "RichardH" | Cc: | Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:51 PM | Subject: Re: Fact | | > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all | > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to | > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no | > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold | > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use | > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to | > help the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you | > as we should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would | > all be a footnote. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "RichardH" | To: "Benjamin Krueger" | Cc: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" ; ; | | Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:43 AM | Subject: Re: Fact | | >I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans | > are | > | >rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they | > want | > | >what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based | >governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it | >against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the | >people and not allowing them to live comfortably. -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org If you smell the smoke you don't need to be told what you've got to do; Yet there's a certain breed, so very in-between, they'd rather take a vote. -- DEVO -- Here To Go To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 21:18:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DF137B410; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NQez-00018b-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626221019.00b13198@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:16:11 -0600 To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" , postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG From: RichardH Subject: Re: This is an insult Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020627035040.D9CD9BA05@i8k.babbleon.org> References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org umm, I did not state India or any country, race, or religion. He was the one who brought race into it, until this time I have not mentioned it. I do not see any problem. He started it by insinuating all westerners are rich and non-caring of others. I simply stated the obvious about peoples views of Americans no matter how much we help them. I had no Idea what country, ethnicity, etc. he was until HE played the race card. Please put the blame where it actually lies. I will just bite my tongue from now on when everyone else complains about Americans and westerners in general since it is not politically correct to support America in any way. As stated it should have never been posted by HIM to this list anyway so the fallout of it lies with him, not myself or anyone else who found a need to correct him. At 09:50 PM 6/26/2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: >This doesn't belong on questions, so I've removed it. > >I would just like to support Sanjay's position. > >Of course, the entire *thread* doesn't belong, but the quoted messages have >no place on any FreeBSD list, and I support the idea of kicking Richard off >the lists. > >At the same time, Richard's mesages seem to have been confined to -chat, and >though even -chat is supposed to be connected to FreeBSD, and least political >debates are less out of place there than on -chat. > >Since Sanjay felt that he had to bring this mess over to questions, perhaps >he should be blocked from that list, too, while y'all are at it. > >Or perhaps everybody could just work a little harder on behaving with common >decency and sticking to technial topics. > >(Though if RichardH or anybody else can't manage to refrain from making >unwarrented attacks on the heritage of the members of the list I hope that he >would be tossed.) > >Let's please stick insulting people for their inane choice of editors or >window managers rather than for their country's politics. > > > > >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 10:08 pm, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: >| I have unsubscribed from this list as I thought some of the posts were >| rather useless. And even after unsubscribing I'm receiving post which I >| consider nothing but spam. richard you bastard racist son of a bitch. I am >| from India. India never bombed America. I see racism clearly in your post. >| Well hear this... You seem to be an illiterate, uncultured, ignorant and a >| stupid dumb jerk. Your knowledge of geography is worse than that of a kid. >| For your information terrorists , WHO WERE NOT INDIANS, did the bombing. >| And who the bloody hell do you think you are. What gives you the right to >| insult Indians and India in a list like this??? India is a great nation >| which has always believed in peace and not war. And if you have some >| political knowledge, which I believe is impossible for an illiterate fool >| like you, you shall see that India always spreads the message of peace >| throughout the world. >| >| I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD >| (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO >| CONSIDER THIS LIST AS BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO >| INSULT US (INDIANS) OR INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE >| ACTION AGAINST RICHARD IMMIDIATELY. >| >| >| ----- Original Message ----- >| From: "RichardH" >| Cc: >| Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:51 PM >| Subject: Re: Fact >| >| > Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all >| > Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to >| > bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no >| > regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold >| > into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use >| > your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to >| > help the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you >| > as we should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would >| > all be a footnote. >| >| ----- Original Message ----- >| From: "RichardH" >| To: "Benjamin Krueger" >| Cc: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" ; ; >| >| Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:43 AM >| Subject: Re: Fact >| >| >I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans >| > are >| > >| >rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they >| > want >| > >| >what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based >| >governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it >| >against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the >| >people and not allowing them to live comfortably. > >-- >Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) >Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) > http://www.babbleon.org > >http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org > >If you smell the smoke you don't need to be told what you've got to do; >Yet there's a certain breed, so very in-between, they'd rather take a >vote. -- DEVO -- Here To Go > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 21:32:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7681F37B405; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (hutch-263.hutchtel.net [206.10.67.191]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFA383828D; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:32:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BEEA638C4; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:30:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:30:36 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Benjamin Krueger Cc: Sanjay Bhattacharya , postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG;, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This is an insult Message-ID: <20020626233036.C284@twincat.vladsempire.net> References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> <20020626193703.A10800@mail.seattleFenix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020626193703.A10800@mail.seattleFenix.net>; from benjamin@seattleFenix.net on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 07:37:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD > > (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THIS LIST AS > > BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO INSULT US (INDIANS) OR > > INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RICHARD > > IMMIDIATELY. > > Sanjay, > > I understand your frustration with this troll. Sometimes the best response > is no response at all. While he may be unable to see some things clearly, I > can state as a matter of fact that most folks on this list do not agree with > his statements. I am sorry that you feel that the actions of one person should > represent the feelings of an entire group. > > Perhaps the best way to deal with email from Richard is to just delete it on > sight, or better, remove it with a filter. Although it might be nice to try > and have everyone who disagrees with us (or even hates us) removed, it would > not be right. > > Kindest Regards, Peace, and Health, > > ---------- > Benjamin Krueger Perhaps you missed Sanjay's two page Linux is grate troll on the list earlier. If anyone should be removed it's him. Sanjay...Are we talking about the same peace loving India, the one that has recently been spewing forth lightly veiled threats to use nuclear weapons against Pakistan? Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 21:36: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E55E37B405; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5R4aAW1087763; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:36:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g5R4a9kt087760; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen To: Josh Paetzel Cc: Benjamin Krueger , Sanjay Bhattacharya , , , Subject: Re: This is an insult In-Reply-To: <20020626233036.C284@twincat.vladsempire.net> Message-ID: <20020627003527.U87702-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD > > > (richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THIS LIST AS > > > BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO INSULT US (INDIANS) OR > > > INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RICHARD > > > IMMIDIATELY. > > > > Sanjay, > > > > I understand your frustration with this troll. Sometimes the best response > > is no response at all. While he may be unable to see some things clearly, I > > can state as a matter of fact that most folks on this list do not agree with > > his statements. I am sorry that you feel that the actions of one person should > > represent the feelings of an entire group. > > > > Perhaps the best way to deal with email from Richard is to just delete it on > > sight, or better, remove it with a filter. Although it might be nice to try > > and have everyone who disagrees with us (or even hates us) removed, it would > > not be right. > > > > Kindest Regards, Peace, and Health, > > > > ---------- > > Benjamin Krueger > > Perhaps you missed Sanjay's two page Linux is grate troll on the > list earlier. If anyone should be removed it's him. > > Sanjay...Are we talking about the same peace loving India, the one > that has recently been spewing forth lightly veiled threats to use > nuclear weapons against Pakistan? > > Josh > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > This is so exciting! They might both be 'trolls'! They might be the same person! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 21:47:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29837B401; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (ip-27.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.27] (may be forged)) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with ESMTP id g5R4lc810185; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:47:38 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:41:49 +0200 To: Sanjay Bhattacharya From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: This is an insult Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:08 AM +0200 2002/06/27, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > India is a great nation which has always > believed in peace and not war. And if you have some political > knowledge, which I believe is impossible for an illiterate fool > like you, you shall see that India always spreads the message of > peace throughout the world. India is, indeed, a great nation. And there are a great many Indians who have espoused the beliefs you claim, not the least of which was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. However, since then, India has also proven that it is also capable of the worst racist terrorist violence -- witness the never-ending border wars with Pakistan, and the extremely bloody revolution that lead to the forming of Pakistan and what has since become called Bangladesh. Need I mention the nuclear brinkmanship that brings us closer to World War III than the Cuban Missile Crisis ever did? If you are going to claim the legacy of the great Mahatma in your defense, you must also recognize that your own people are not the pure-as-glacier-ice race that you claim. The Indian coin is a very old one, and there is a lot on the good side, but all coins have two sides, and the Indian coin also has a lot on the bad side. I would urge you to be very careful in how you try to spend this currency, lest you lower yourself to the level of the people you decry. Lesson One: Don't feed the trolls. Ignore Richard, and filter all mail from him to the trash so that you never see it. Do the same for anyone else that offends you so deeply -- including me, if you so choose. Lesson Two: Get over it. You're better & smarter than that. There are people out there whose only apparent purpose in life is to antagonize you. Lesson Three: Get on with life. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 22: 6:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C6137B406 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.storm2k.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NRUe-0004d9-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:06:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626230447.0ac0a4f8@mail.storm2k.wsonline.net> X-Sender: storm2k@mail.storm2k.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:09:35 -0600 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: RichardH Subject: office stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, sorry to have ignited that little world war but on to other stuff. Is anyone running either StarOffice or Openoffice with any success in an actual business environment. Any other "office" suites that stand up to MS. Am working with Lindows now and last ver I ran was real slow at conversion. Is running straight wine better. Also have heard that new StarOffice is real buggy at converting MS doc (excel,word,etc.). Any input as to best "office suite" for running FBSD on desktops?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 22: 8:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D540B37B406 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NRWV-00044H-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:08:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626231113.00b02fe0@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:11:29 -0600 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: RichardH Subject: office stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, sorry to have ignited that little world war but on to other stuff. Is anyone running either StarOffice or Openoffice with any success in an actual business environment. Any other "office" suites that stand up to MS. Am working with Lindows now and last ver I ran was real slow at conversion. Is running straight wine better ? Also have heard that new StarOffice is real buggy at converting MS doc (excel,word,etc.). Any input as to best "office suite" for running FBSD on desktops?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 22:43: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from omta03.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA9A37B406; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta03.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C953A4900E; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9D41C36F9; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka To: Sanjay Bhattacharya , postmaster@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org;, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: This is an insult Reply-To: mfrd@attitudex.com X-Originating-Ip: [202.5.128.44] Message-Id: <20020627054240.9D41C36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org India a peace loving nation ? hmm...... let's see!!! Instead of my own opinions i'll show you what the world says: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0601-03.htm http://www.fas.org/news/india/2001/ Fernandes wept at one point in his speech when he described violence against Indians in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. "I'm sorry for the difficulty I have every time I think of this," he told the delegates. <--what a weep!! india's defence minister weeping at violence in kashmir. at ->http://asia.news.yahoo.com/020602/5/b8i3.html too tired of killing kashmiris? let's kill our own indian muslims!! http://www.shianews.com/hi/americas/news_id/0000301.php http://pub107.ezboard.com/fcybercafepakistanfrm6.showMessage?topicID=108.topic http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/editorial02/editor134.htm http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/090502/dLNAT76.asp that's just recent, I havent searched for demolition of babri masjid yet and 50 years of ongoing violence in kashmir is un-describable even in a 1600 pages book. Before you fire-up *racist* on someone's face and take a stand for india, let's look up for what your country has been doing so far. Sendina I love penguin emails via outlook is simply STUPID!!! and who asked u what you think of linux against bsd anyway? ppl like you are better off with win95 and MS-DOS 6. dont spoil the environment by weeping like your defence minister. thankyou =) no hard feelings. Regards, --------- Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka Chief Technology Officer Gem Internet Services (Pvt) Ltd. web: www.gem.net.pk Vice President Pakistan Computer Emergency Responce Team (PakCERT) web: www.pakcert.org Chief Security Analyst Applied Technology Research Center (ATRC) web: www.atrc.net.pk --- Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: >I have unsubscribed from this list as I thought some of the posts were >rather useless. And even after unsubscribing I'm receiving post which I consider >nothing but spam. richard you bastard racist son of a bitch. I am from India. >India never bombed America. I see racism clearly in your post. Well hear >this... You seem to be an illiterate, uncultured, ignorant and a stupid dumb >jerk. Your knowledge of geography is worse than that of a kid. For your >information terrorists , WHO WERE NOT INDIANS, did the bombing. And who the bloody >hell do you think you are. What gives you the right to insult Indians and India >in a list like this??? India is a great nation which has always believed in >peace and not war. And if you have some political knowledge, which I believe >is impossible for an illiterate fool like you, you shall see that India always >spreads the message of peace throughout the world. > > I URGE THE LIST ADMIN OF THE FREEBSD LIST TO BAN RICHARD >(richardh@wsonline.net) FROM THE FREEBSD LIST OR ELSE I WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THIS LIST AS >BEING ANTI INDIAN AND RACIST. RICHARD HAS NO RIGHT TO INSULT US (INDIANS) OR >INDIA. I REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RICHARD >IMMIDIATELY. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RichardH" >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:51 PM >Subject: Re: Fact > > >> Also Ironic and sad that you and the rest of the world seem to think all >> Americans are rich, I guess that gives you and your people the right to >> bomb us and terrorize us since we are all rich and show absolutely no >> regard for the rest of the world. Get a life, you know we could just fold >> into ourselves and let you people just kill each other off and then use >> your resources as we see fit. Unfortunately we seem to have a need to help >> the downtrodden instead of letting nature take its course with you as we >> should, in 10 years with no help from us or our allies you would all be a >> footnote. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RichardH" >To: "Benjamin Krueger" >Cc: "Sanjay Bhattacharya" ; ; > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:43 AM >Subject: Re: Fact > > >>I don't find it very appropriate for someone to insinuate all Americans are > >>rich and live like kings and to complain about it in any list. If they want > >>what we have then they simply need to overthrow their little warlord based >>governments and join the rest of the civilized world, do not hold it >>against America and the west because their leaders are stealing from the >>people and not allowing them to live comfortably. > > >-- >GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. >http://www.gmx.net > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ --------------------------- [ATTITUDEX.COM] http://www.attitudex.com/ --------------------------- _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 22:56:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from patriarch.dnsalias.org (adsl-66-136-23-175.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.23.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4D237B400; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compgeek ([127.0.0.1]) by patriarch.dnsalias.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:56:23 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Noack" To: , "Sanjay Bhattacharya" Cc: , Subject: Can you say off-list? (was This is an insult) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020627054240.9D41C36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2002 05:56:23.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E3DCFF0:01C21D9F] Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org freebsd-chat Non-technical items related to the FreeBSD community freebsd-questions User questions and technical support How does any of what is being said in this thread pertain to FreeBSD or the FreeBSD community? NOTE: I said "community". To be a community we cannot treat each other this way. Continue off-list if you want, but these lists are not the place (not even chat). Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 23:23:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hoover.skynet.be (hoover.skynet.be [195.238.3.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6991537B405; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by hoover.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-FALLBACK-2.20) with ESMTP id g5R64f521546; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:04:41 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (ip-27.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.27] (may be forged)) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with ESMTP id g5R641H16028; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:04:01 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020627054240.9D41C36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20020627054240.9D41C36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:02:44 +0200 To: mfrd@attitudex.com, Sanjay Bhattacharya , postmaster@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: This is an insult Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org;, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:42 PM -0700 2002/06/26, Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka wrote: > Before you fire-up *racist* on someone's face and take a stand for > india, let's look up for what your country has been doing so far. Pakistan is no innocent here, either. Your country is still host to more international terrorists than any other in the world, and most of the country seems to actively want to die alongside bin Laden and the rest of Al Qaeda in the annihilation of all of western society. You play your own part in the nuclear brinkmanship that is a far more dangerous game than was ever played during the Cuban missile crisis. Let's not get a contest like this started here. I don't think any of us would win. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 0:30:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (sa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E137B407; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (dialup-13.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.142]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g5R7UFf13214; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:00:15 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Message-Id: <200206270730.g5R7UFf13214@tierzero.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Subject: Re: This is an insult Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:05:06 +0930 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG;, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:38, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > you shall see that India always spreads the message of peace > throughout the world. Perhaps you would like to explain this to your Pakistani neighbours? I am sure they would be much relieved. -- Regards, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 1: 8:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAEE37B401 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5R88UBu047204; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by master.gorean.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id g5R88TCR082220; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Jon Noack Cc: mfrd@attitudex.com, Sanjay Bhattacharya , Subject: Re: Can you say off-list? (was This is an insult) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020627010725.W42503-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's long standing FreeBSD tradition that "nothing is off topic for -chat." -questions on the other hand should be limited to relevant things. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 1:29: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC837B401; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NUdw-0005nC-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:28:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020627023106.00aceb10@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:31:22 -0600 To: Doug Barton , Jon Noack From: RichardH Subject: Re: Can you say off-list? (was This is an insult) Cc: mfrd@attitudex.com, Sanjay Bhattacharya , In-Reply-To: <20020627010725.W42503-100000@master.gorean.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all!! At 02:08 AM 6/27/2002, Doug Barton wrote: >It's long standing FreeBSD tradition that "nothing is off topic for >-chat." -questions on the other hand should be limited to relevant things. > >Doug > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We=20 don't believe this to be a coincidence. =97Jeremy S. Anderson=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 3:43: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thanatos.clara.net (thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A0A37B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amavis by thanatos.clara.net with scanned-ok (Exim 3.13 #1) id 17NWjk-0004UQ-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:42:52 +0100 Received: from spoem.noc.clara.net ([195.8.70.199] helo=spoem) by thanatos.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NWjg-0004Tc-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:42:48 +0100 Message-ID: <010801c21dc7$08892be0$c74608c3@spoem> From: "George Barnett" To: , "Sanjay Bhattacharya" Cc: References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> <200206270730.g5R7UFf13214@tierzero.apana.org.au> Subject: blah blah blah Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:40:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Claranet UK Office Antivirus Gateway Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At some stage, you will all realise that none of you are right, and none of you are wrong. You all have the same motive, but because you see it from different situations and different perspectives, you express it differently. What has been perfectly displayed here is the ability of most people involved to *not* listen, or to hear what they want. -G -------------------------------- George Barnett, SCSA Unix Solutions Engineer a c t i v e l i n k --> eml: george@alink.co.za gsm: +44 778 884 7205 #include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 9:17:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697637B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id MAA17938; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:17:35 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200206271617.MAA17938@illustrious.cnchost.com> To: RichardH Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can you say off-list? (was This is an insult) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:31:22 MDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020627023106.00aceb10@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:17:35 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We > don't believe this to be a coincidence. > —Jeremy S. Anderson The discovery of LSD was made in Basel, Switzerland by a Swiss Chemist, Albert Hoffman, in 1938; LSD's hallucinogenic properties discovered by the same scientist in 1943. LSD was productized by Sandoz, a Swiss company. See www.hoffman.org. The LSD guru Timothy Leary (of "turn on, tune in, drop out" fame) was a Harvard Prof. at the time -- when LSD supposedly came out of Berkeley. I recall reading about LSD experiments by Ken Kesey (Author of One Flew over Cuckoo's Nest and more -- read up about him!) & friends in mid 60s at Palo Alto, La Jolla and Stanford, all in CA but not quite Berkeley. Heck, even the gummint was in it -- Kesey was a test subject in a govt. funded study of hallucinogenic drugs including LSD at Menlo Park, CA. [what where they going to do, bomb Vietnam with LSD pills?] All this before the whole counter culture "movement" really took off. Before Hippies and the Haight-Ashbury crowds (also not in Berkeley). But don't let a few facts get in the way of believing a cute sounding phrase;-) Who is this Jeremy Anderson guy and did he actually say this and if he did just what was he ingesting at the time?! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 9:58: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63B937B405 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17808 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO max) ([66.92.76.227]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jun 2002 16:57:00 -0000 Message-ID: <200206271257190234.09B3CF21@mail.speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:57:19 -0400 Reply-To: jdarnold@buddydog.org From: "Jonathan Arnold" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Okay, I installed nedit and I do like what I see. I'll be using it and >one other new one I found - on the zend.org site, for web page >development. That one is big and has a ton of stuff I don't need but so You really really really should use Emacs. Of course, editors are a religous thing, but Emacs has a couple of things that really recommend it: 1] It's everywhere. Once you learn Emacs (not a trivial process, but then few editors are), you'll have a skill you can take to any platform. 2] It can do everything. It has been around for ages and has hacks to solve virtually any problem you might come up with. Get the O'Reilly book and be prepared to accept the editor Borg. It's main drawback is that it is a huge application, so you need to have plenty of RAM. But just launch it when you log in and you never need to leave it. There's shells, compilers, everything for it. And you can use it from the Console in text mode pretty much exactly like you use it from X. There's a very active community (check the mailing lists and the newsgroups). You won't regret it. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) The Incredible Brightness of Seeing, a Home Theater weblog http://jdarnold.tzo.com/HomeTheater To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 10:44:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4582E37B409 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RHiY113362 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:44:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5RHiYW15579 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:44:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RHiVR15572 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:44:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:44:31 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Search engine feature requests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I've taken the task to rebuild the FreeBSD search engine (on the www site), and I'm looking for feature requests and ideas. I already have a large list, but please spew forth anything you may have to offer. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 10:59:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0962B37B408 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32142 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 17:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Jun 2002 17:59:12 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RHxNM00535; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Eric Anderson Subject: RE: Search engine feature requests Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Jun-2002 Eric Anderson wrote: > Ok, I've taken the task to rebuild the FreeBSD search engine (on the www site), > and I'm looking for feature requests and ideas. I already have a large list, > but please spew forth anything you may have to offer. Make it actually work. :) - Allow to sort by date and inverse date, as well as for more than one page of results if possible. Hmm, can't think of anything else atm. If it actually works that will be a big improvement. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 12:13: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B3D37B411 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0530.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.20] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NegL-0007NK-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1B6352.26F669BE@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Barnett Cc: bastill@sa.apana.org.au, Sanjay Bhattacharya , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> <200206270730.g5R7UFf13214@tierzero.apana.org.au> <010801c21dc7$08892be0$c74608c3@spoem> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org George Barnett wrote: > At some stage, you will all realise that none of you are right, and none of > you are wrong. > > You all have the same motive, but because you see it from different > situations and different perspectives, you express it differently. > > What has been perfectly displayed here is the ability of most people > involved to *not* listen, or to hear what they want. One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that point of view may be. This absurd notion permits the peaceful coexistance of athiests, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Shintoists, Moonies, Hare Krisna, Democrats, Republicans, and any other otherwise fundamentally opposed and intolerant groups. It has also led to ideas such as Creationism, "medical magnets", "New Math", and the idea that taxation *with* representation is somehow better than taxation *without* representation, and other ideas that clearly defy both logic and common sense. Like the idea that all opposed parties in a discussion can somehow still be simultaneously correct, merely because the viewpoints are held by individuals, and therefore must be reconcilable, even if it is possible to empirically verify that one is right, and all the others are wrong. Socrates once concluded that the human mouth contains 36 teeth through deductive reasoning alone, when he could have counted them and arrived at the non-relativistically correct number of 32. In today's America, we would probably license him as a dentist. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 12:19:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [63.86.88.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD55A37B41A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 408047577; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9FB1D89; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Terry Lambert Cc: George Barnett , bastill@sa.apana.org.au, Sanjay Bhattacharya , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) In-Reply-To: <3D1B6352.26F669BE@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: :One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being :uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view :has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that :point of view may be. Not every American equates one's right to believe in a stupid idea with all ideas being equally valid Terry. Please watch where you paint with that broad stroke. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 12:22:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00EF37B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E1ADC9FD21; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:22:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:22:37 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) Message-ID: <20020627192237.GA10949@rfc822.net> References: <3D1B6352.26F669BE@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:23:03PM -0700, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > :One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being > :uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view > :has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that > :point of view may be. > > Not every American equates one's right to believe in a stupid idea with > all ideas being equally valid Terry. Please watch where you paint with > that broad stroke. > You're both right. -P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 12:41:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4C937B405; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5RJfKo06941 ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id VAA36672 ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:41:20 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: John Baldwin Cc: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests Message-ID: <20020627214120.A36410@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: John Baldwin , Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:59:13PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin said on Jun 27, 2002 at 13:59:13: > > - Allow to sort by date and inverse date, as well as for more than one > page of results if possible. On that topic -- back when the search engine actually (mostly) worked, the "sort by date" option was misleading. If you took "sort by date" and "25 results", it would sort the 25 highest-scoring results of all time and sort those by date. So the only way to get near-useful results was to ask for 250 or more matches sorted by date. It would be nice if you could get the 25 (or n) most recent results containing the desired keywords, regardless of what the engine judges to be relevant. Thanks - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 12:56:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1898237B42C; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RJtv116987; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5RJtv625348; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RJtsR25341; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D1B6DCA.1C78D4B1@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:55:54 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests References: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> <20020627214120.A36410@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep.. I agree.. Anyone else have ideas? Eric Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > John Baldwin said on Jun 27, 2002 at 13:59:13: > > > > - Allow to sort by date and inverse date, as well as for more than one > > page of results if possible. > > On that topic -- back when the search engine actually (mostly) worked, > the "sort by date" option was misleading. If you took "sort by date" > and "25 results", it would sort the 25 highest-scoring results of all > time and sort those by date. So the only way to get near-useful > results was to ask for 250 or more matches sorted by date. It would > be nice if you could get the 25 (or n) most recent results containing > the desired keywords, regardless of what the engine judges to be > relevant. > > Thanks > - Rahul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13: 3: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9570D37B401 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5RK2mo09473 ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id WAA37478 ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:02:47 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 05:03:29PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Jun 26, 2002 at 17:03:29: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Unlike the US, India has a democratically elected government. > > India's Prime Minister is elected by direct popular voting? As an MP, he is, from a constituency. The parliament (lower house) is elected directly, and the PM is chosen indirectly from the MPs, and must command the confidence of the lower house (more or less the British system). But in India, the Supreme Court doesn't come into the picture at all... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13: 9:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7BC37B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0530.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.20] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NfZI-0002mR-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:08:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1B70A0.7BECE4D2@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:08:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bakul Shah Cc: RichardH , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can you say off-list? (was This is an insult) References: <200206271617.MAA17938@illustrious.cnchost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bakul Shah wrote: > [what where they going to do, bomb Vietnam with LSD pills?] BZ. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13:18:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from please.getaclue.net (please.getaclue.net [198.88.88.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7584037B401 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dever by please.getaclue.net with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17Nfp4-000PhQ-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:24:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:24:58 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Dever" To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [OT] Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627162458.D97725@getaclue.net> Reply-To: dever@getaclue.net References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@online.fr on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 10:02:47PM +0200 X-No-Archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Previously, Rahul Siddharthan (rsidd@online.fr) wrote: > Terry Lambert said on Jun 26, 2002 at 17:03:29: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Unlike the US, India has a democratically elected government. > > > > India's Prime Minister is elected by direct popular voting? > > As an MP, he is, from a constituency. The parliament (lower house) is > elected directly, and the PM is chosen indirectly from the MPs, and > must command the confidence of the lower house (more or less the > British system). > > But in India, the Supreme Court doesn't come into the picture at all... > So? Who says the United States is a democracy? Only the ignorant and illiterate. By definition, the US is a Republic, governed by a rule of law, not people. (The example above is a rather complicated process of federalism, where each state is responsible for handling its own elections, and providing a body of members to serve in the electoral college, which then actually "elects" the president.) I'm not going to go into if I think the Supreme Court had any legitimate jurisdiction in a Florida matter or not - but the bottom line here is, if you're going to take cheap shots at a government, at least know what type of government it is. -- Douglas A. Dever dever@getaclue.net http://www.getaclue.net/news/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13:23:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mrami.homeunix.org (cvg-65-27-234-39.cinci.rr.com [65.27.234.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C16537B40A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrami@localhost) by mrami.homeunix.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RKMfm05506; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:22:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@mrami.homeunix.org) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:22:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: Dan Langille Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How is your product built at your place? In-Reply-To: <20020604140226.DA4083F3A@bast.unixathome.org> Message-ID: <20020627162010.M5007-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Dan Langille wrote: > I've recently found two rather divergent approaches to building products. > > 1 - Loadbuild does all the Makefiles, knows all the products inside and > out, works with the engineers to create the product, and fixes it if it > the build breaks. > > 2 - Loadbuild makes the product, the engineers create their own Makefiles, > and they fix it if the build breaks. > > "Loadbuild" might a person or a team, but it's one part of the company. > I'm just wondering how widely spread both approaches are. Other factors > which might affect the choice are: complexity of product, size of company, > etc. FYI, my job uses method #2. I don't think there's a particular reason behind it, though. Probably "loadbuild" yelled overwork because he's also the source repos maintenance guy. Marc. -- I telnetted to whitehouse.gov, and all I got was this lousy .signature! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13:31: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A78137B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0530.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.20] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NfuU-0001cg-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1B75C3.BE0EC012@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:29:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamie Bowden Cc: George Barnett , bastill@sa.apana.org.au, Sanjay Bhattacharya , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > :One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being > :uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view > :has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that > :point of view may be. > > Not every American equates one's right to believe in a stupid idea with > all ideas being equally valid Terry. Please watch where you paint with > that broad stroke. 8-). The idea is American, not all Americans have the idea. All trout are fish; not all fish are trout. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13:45:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090FC37B40D for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluerondo.a.la.turk (nas-cbv-11-62-147-118-213.dial.proxad.net [62.147.118.213]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5275FB16 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1019 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Jun 2002 20:45:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:45:35 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Douglas A. Dever" Cc: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627204535.GA987@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Douglas A. Dever" , Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> <20020627162458.D97725@getaclue.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020627162458.D97725@getaclue.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Douglas A. Dever said on Jun 27, 2002 at 16:24:58: > > Who says the United States is a democracy? Only the ignorant > and illiterate. By definition, the US is a Republic, governed > by a rule of law, not people. Ahhh, it all makes sense to me now... Thanks. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 13:49:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1602837B405 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0530.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.20] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NgCt-0004uJ-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:48:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact References: <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert said on Jun 26, 2002 at 17:03:29: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Unlike the US, India has a democratically elected government. > > > > India's Prime Minister is elected by direct popular voting? > > As an MP, he is, from a constituency. The parliament (lower house) is > elected directly, and the PM is chosen indirectly from the MPs, and > must command the confidence of the lower house (more or less the > British system). > > But in India, the Supreme Court doesn't come into the picture at all... It was a facetious question. I asked it because the election of the PM from the MPs by the MPs is similar to the way that the U.S. electoral college elects the U.S. President and Vice President, and the candidates for each party are elected by prty representatives, which are popularly elected within their district. In the U.S., it's only the President and Vice President who are not elected democratically (in fact, the form is "Republic", not "Democracy", but only for those two offices). This is an artifact of historical communications latency. In India's case, this is a matter of design. It was a criticism of DES's criticism of the U.S. election process as being "not a Democracy". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 14: 1: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2A37B43B for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([80.4.0.215]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020627210020.JFGN295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:00:20 +0100 Received: from tuatara.goatsucker.org (tuatara.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.6]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RL0JV07814; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:00:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scott@tuatara.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by tuatara.goatsucker.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5RL0Bwv003891; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:00:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:00:11 +0100 From: Scott Mitchell To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests Message-ID: <20020627220011.A356@fishballoon.dyndns.org> References: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> <20020627214120.A36410@lpt.ens.fr> <3D1B6DCA.1C78D4B1@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D1B6DCA.1C78D4B1@centtech.com>; from anderson@centtech.com on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 02:55:54PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 02:55:54PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > Yep.. I agree.. > > Anyone else have ideas? > > Eric > Some way to pull up a whole thread (having found a matching message somewhere in that thread) and navigate through it in a vaguely sensible way, would be great. Following a whole thread, and making sure you don't miss any of it, can be quite tedious with the current interface. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 14: 1:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF1A37B43F for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluerondo.a.la.turk (nas-cbv-11-62-147-118-213.dial.proxad.net [62.147.118.213]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62EA5FB1D for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1171 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Jun 2002 21:00:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:25 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627210025.GA1114@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Jun 27, 2002 at 13:48:55: > > It was a facetious question. My remark about the Supreme Court was facetious too. > I asked it because the election of the PM from the MPs by the MPs is > similar to the way that the U.S. electoral college elects the U.S. > President and Vice President, [snip] > It was a criticism of DES's criticism of the U.S. election > process as being "not a Democracy". I can't speak for DES, but that's not really my criticism of the last US election. I don't particularly care if the winner didn't win the popular vote, to me that's fine if it's the constitutional and accepted route. In fact, the way I look at it is, 75% of the country either voted Bush or didn't care either way, which makes him legitimate enough for me... But that wasn't the only problem last time (hence my Supreme Court remark). However, it's practically ancient history now, and it did teach a lesson to the world that "every vote counts" (for good measure, the same lesson came from the first round of the recent French presidential election too...) - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 14:48:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E8937B406 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RKxob29135; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:00:02 -0500 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 8BF551F02; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:48:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:48:11 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627214811.GA28173@over-yonder.net> References: <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:48:55PM -0700 I heard the voice of Terry Lambert, and lo! it spake thus: > > This is an artifact of historical communications latency. Actually, I think it's also an artifact of being a union of independant states, not a nation of people (i.e., the members of the United States aren't the 260 million people; they're the 50 states). However, I'm sure it is/was convenient that the one supported the other (whichever one the 'one' is, of course ;). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 14:57:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jasper.nighttide.net (jasper.nighttide.net [207.5.141.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0437B405 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jasper.nighttide.net (IDENT:darren@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jasper.nighttide.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5RLvjsx042554; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Received: from localhost (darren@localhost) by jasper.nighttide.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g5RLviqF042551; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Darren Henderson To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests In-Reply-To: <3D1B6DCA.1C78D4B1@centtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > Anyone else have ideas? Please allow searches for complete phrases, AND is frequently not sufficient. (ie '"brown cows" AND cats' as opposed to 'brown AND cows AND cats'). Threads. Its probably personal choice but change from an implied OR to an implied AND or at least throw in a radio button to choose. Better yet mimic google's query structure, (hell, hang the messages out there in files by thread and let google index them for us). Rather then just recent or all, some breakpoints that coincide with release dates might be helpful. (7 days, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, since 4.6-RELEASE, since 4.5-RELEASE etc). Highlight search terms when viewing a matching document, makes it much easier to decide if it is an irrelevant match. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren@nighttide.net Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 15:46:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5536D37B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490F5471DC for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23609FEBE for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:46:06 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following reasons: X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). It won't compile (non-ports). Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 15:52:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E8E37B43F for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5RMqdri012077; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:52:39 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5RMqcP5012074; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:52:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:52:38 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Message-ID: <20020627155238.A11205@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org>; from dmp@pantherdragon.org on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 03:46:06PM -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 03:46:06PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not > been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, > whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following > reasons: >=20 > X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. > The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). > It won't compile (non-ports). > Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). >=20 > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > FreeBSD? If all you want to do is press play/stop, cdcontrol works. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G5c2XY6L6fI4GtQRAhv7AKC2YTHK8N2vCQ6MQuU1RkdNueVeLACg4IOK gvVxWIP2GSqCWtp/ACKR5xs= =TqjG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 16: 3:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA94E37B4EE; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A474D471DA; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C74FEBE; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D1B99A7.6FA13565@pantherdragon.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:03:03 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? References: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> <20020627155238.A11205@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Redirecting to -questions as this is now a matter of a troubleshooting.] Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 03:46:06PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not > > been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, > > whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following > > reasons: > > > > X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. > > The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). > > It won't compile (non-ports). > > Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). > > > > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > > FreeBSD? > > If all you want to do is press play/stop, cdcontrol works. cdcontrol doesn't seem to work either: 15:59:09 dmp@spark$ su - Password: 15:59:12 root@spark# cdcontrol -v -f /dev/acd0c info Starting track = 1, ending track = 13, TOC size = 114 bytes track start duration block length type ------------------------------------------------- 1 0:02.33 4:28.42 33 19992 audio 2 4:29.00 5:05.45 20025 22770 audio 3 9:32.45 4:41.08 42795 20933 audio 4 14:11.53 5:48.40 63728 25990 audio 5 19:58.18 5:22.42 89718 24042 audio 6 25:18.60 4:34.53 113760 20453 audio 7 29:51.38 4:23.45 134213 19620 audio 8 34:13.08 5:54.47 153833 26447 audio 9 40:05.55 4:28.70 180280 20020 audio 10 44:32.50 4:38.28 200300 20728 audio 11 49:09.03 4:43.02 221028 21077 audio 12 53:50.05 6:01.20 242105 26945 audio 13 59:49.25 4:33.38 269050 20363 audio 170 64:20.63 - 289413 - - 15:59:22 root@spark# cdcontrol -v -f /dev/acd0c play 1 13 16:01:04 root@spark# Meanwhile, in /var/log/messages: Jun 27 15:59:12 spark su: dmp to root on /dev/ttyp0 Jun 27 16:01:04 spark /kernel: acd0: PLAY_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=20 ascq=00 error=01 That is the same error message that ports/audio/cd-console gave me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 17: 5:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from usenet.otenet.gr (usenet.otenet.gr [195.170.0.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472CA37B417 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by usenet.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5S038Tp009433 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:03:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr364-a20.otenet.gr [195.167.109.52]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5S01Yhc006289; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:01:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5RMslGM066502; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:54:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5RMslNJ066501; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:54:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:54:46 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Darren Henderson Cc: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests Message-ID: <20020627225446.GA65944@hades.hell.gr> References: <3D1B6DCA.1C78D4B1@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-Phone: +30-944-116520 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-27 17:57 +0000, Darren Henderson wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > > > Anyone else have ideas? > > Highlight search terms when viewing a matching document, makes it much > easier to decide if it is an irrelevant match. Make this optional too. I hate yellow, green and violet colours that pop up within a message I've googled for and distract my eyes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 18:48: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-233-156-170.client.attbi.com [12.233.156.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32E637B40A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5S1UnNC004899; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.wox.org) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5S1UhlR004898; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:37 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Search engine feature requests Message-ID: <20020627183037.A4791@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B4EFF.6CE145A9@centtech.com>; from anderson@centtech.com on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:44:31PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Eric Anderson : > Ok, I've taken the task to rebuild the FreeBSD search engine (on the www site), > and I'm looking for feature requests and ideas. I already have a large list, > but please spew forth anything you may have to offer. Some form of page ranking would be nice. I'm not sure how it might work exactly, but the idea is that maintained pages corresponding to recent releases get better scores than unmaintained and ancient pages, such as the FreeBSD 2.2 Release Notes. (You could argue that an exception could be made for searches specifically about FreeBSD 2.2, but the fact that no higher-ranking pages match should take care of that automatically.) In general, I think it's more important for a search engine to produce highly relevant results than it is for it to support all sorts of extra ways to fine-tune a search. In other words, think Google, not Lycos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 18:52:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B877937B41B for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gte.net ([4.34.145.186]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020628005250.HZGJ7985.out012.verizon.net@gte.net>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:52:50 -0500 Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09828; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:53:02 -0700 From: Robert Clark To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: Terry Lambert , Rahul Siddharthan , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fact Message-ID: <20020627175302.E5738@darkstar.gte.net> References: <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <20020626122805.GA18636@energyhq.homeip.net> <008501c21d1f$d82e4d60$b46dc5cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626121706.00b14d58@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626131021.00afddb8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> <3D1A5651.3EBD7B44@mindspring.com> <20020627220247.A37273@lpt.ens.fr> <3D1B7A37.218519C1@mindspring.com> <20020627214811.GA28173@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20020627214811.GA28173@over-yonder.net>; from fullermd@over-yonder.net on Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:48:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't forget the non-states. [RC] On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:48:55PM -0700 I heard the voice of > Terry Lambert, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > This is an artifact of historical communications latency. > > Actually, I think it's also an artifact of being a union of independant > states, not a nation of people (i.e., the members of the United States > aren't the 260 million people; they're the 50 states). However, I'm sure > it is/was convenient that the one supported the other (whichever one the > 'one' is, of course ;). > > > -- > Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net > Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ > > "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I > haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 19:11:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6917837B409 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A41812FF; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:40:26 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:40:26 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Terry Lambert Cc: Jamie Bowden , George Barnett , bastill@sa.apana.org.au, Sanjay Bhattacharya , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) Message-ID: <20020628021026.GC90848@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3D1B75C3.BE0EC012@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B75C3.BE0EC012@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 27 June 2002 at 13:29:55 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Jamie Bowden wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: >> :One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being >> :uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view >> :has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that >> :point of view may be. >> >> Not every American equates one's right to believe in a stupid idea with >> all ideas being equally valid Terry. Please watch where you paint with >> that broad stroke. > > 8-). The idea is American, not all Americans have the idea. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this means that the idea is uniquely (US) American, or even that it originated there. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 19:18:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep3.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C069037B406 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winxp (d57-117-31.home.cgocable.net [24.57.117.31]) by fep3.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD642072 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Muhannad Asfour" To: Subject: RE: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:08:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c21e40$63125040$6401a8c0@winxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My mistake...I meant workbone. I typed workman by accident because I saw it in the ports while I was searching for workbone. My mistake. But workbone is a console based CD Player app that works very well. Good Luck :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Darren Pilgrim Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:46 PM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following reasons: X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). It won't compile (non-ports). Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 19:19:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep6.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C2A37B40C for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winxp (d57-117-31.home.cgocable.net [24.57.117.31]) by fep6.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C7D3524; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Muhannad Asfour" To: "'Darren Pilgrim'" Cc: Subject: RE: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c21e40$1e8ef220$6401a8c0@winxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could try workman, unless that was unfetchable/unbuildable. I personally use it in the console all the time. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Darren Pilgrim Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:46 PM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following reasons: X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). It won't compile (non-ports). Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 19:20: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep1.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555BE37B408 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winxp (d57-117-31.home.cgocable.net [24.57.117.31]) by fep1.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BE93EE5; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Muhannad Asfour" To: "'Darren Pilgrim'" Cc: Subject: RE: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:10:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c21e40$96ff01f0$6401a8c0@winxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In case you needed it, here's the url for workbone: http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/derouler/info/workbone/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Darren Pilgrim Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:46 PM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following reasons: X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). It won't compile (non-ports). Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 19:45: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59E937B406 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-2iniv66.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.124.198] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Nlk2-0001lg-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1BCD79.20203@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:09 -0700 From: Lawrence Sica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: George Barnett , bastill@sa.apana.org.au, Sanjay Bhattacharya , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Everybody's right, nobody's wrong (was Re: blah blah blah) References: <24620.1025143730@www7.gmx.net> <200206270730.g5R7UFf13214@tierzero.apana.org.au> <010801c21dc7$08892be0$c74608c3@spoem> <3D1B6352.26F669BE@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > George Barnett wrote: > > > One aspect of public philosophy that has always struck me as being > uniquely American is the idea that the other person's point of view > has equal validity to your own, regardless of how ridiculous that > point of view may be. > Don't forget what opnions are like...that is also an american truism... ;) > This absurd notion permits the peaceful coexistance of athiests, > Christians, Muslims, Jews, Shintoists, Moonies, Hare Krisna, > Democrats, Republicans, and any other otherwise fundamentally > opposed and intolerant groups. > > It has also led to ideas such as Creationism, "medical magnets", > "New Math", and the idea that taxation *with* representation is > somehow better than taxation *without* representation, and other > ideas that clearly defy both logic and common sense. > And sometimes this notion allows all these groups to act as one whole for very important reasons. Take the post 9/11 stuff, the muslim blacklash aside. Also take the recent fiasco with the Pledge of Allegiance. It has gone beyond party or creed or race, and is pretty much considered a stupid decision by the judges to say it can't be said in schools because it endorses a "god" > Like the idea that all opposed parties in a discussion can somehow > still be simultaneously correct, merely because the viewpoints are > held by individuals, and therefore must be reconcilable, even if it > is possible to empirically verify that one is right, and all the > others are wrong. > The idea is to find a common ground and go from there. I'd say it has worked more than not. > Socrates once concluded that the human mouth contains 36 teeth > through deductive reasoning alone, when he could have counted them > and arrived at the non-relativistically correct number of 32. In > today's America, we would probably license him as a dentist. > Hey maybe they had 36 back then ;) --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 21:31: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0B437B400 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208A143DD9 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F8081461; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:54 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Message-ID: <20020628043054.GJ90848@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 27 June 2002 at 15:46:06 -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not > been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, > whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following > reasons: > > X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. > The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). > It won't compile (non-ports). > Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). > > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > FreeBSD? cdplay. See http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200206/ports.html. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 21:39:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1942B37B400; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.103.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984ED43DFE; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (localhost.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1]) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5S4dQPh048546; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5S4dQ2H048545; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:39:26 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: Darren Pilgrim , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Message-ID: <20020627213926.A48442@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> <20020628043054.GJ90848@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020628043054.GJ90848@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:00:54PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:00:54PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > > FreeBSD? > > cdplay. See http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200206/ports.html. Also, what about cdcontrol(1), in the base system? (I don't have an ATAPI drive, but the manual page suggests that it works.) -- Matthew Hunt * Inertia is a property http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * of matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 2:36:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F43937B400 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF7F43E06 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:36:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721FF471DA; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C92FEBE; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D1C2E00.86F0DCFA@pantherdragon.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:36:00 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Muhannad Asfour Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? References: <000001c21e40$96ff01f0$6401a8c0@winxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Muhannad Asfour wrote: > > In case you needed it, here's the url for workbone: > > http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/derouler/info/workbone/ I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to find useful on that page. The link to the RPM is dead, and the other download is a small package with a seemingly imcomplete set of source files and a SVR4 ELF binary. Do I need to install Linux binary support for workbone? > From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > On Behalf Of Darren Pilgrim > > After exhausting the ports tree and several search engines I have not > been able to find a single CD player that works. Everything I've found, > whether it be a port or not, doesn't work for one of the following > reasons: > > X/Gnome/KDE/whatever is required. > The source tarball is unfetchable (non-ports). > It won't compile (non-ports). > Is limited to SCSI drives only (e.g., ports/audio/cdplay). > > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 3:33:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E574B37B400 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daemonz.org (TK212017094177.teleweb.at [212.17.94.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D66C43E0C for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tacho@factline.com) Received: (qmail 71757 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Jun 2002 10:36:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:36:02 +0200 From: Stanislav Grozev To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A working command-line ATAPI-capable audio CD player? Message-ID: <20020628103602.GB58994@meerkat.dungeon> References: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1B95AE.6B3FFFD0@pantherdragon.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 03:46:06PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Does anyone know of any command-line, ATAPI-compatible CD players for > FreeBSD? like, /usr/sbin/cdcontrol? man cdcontrol perhaps? :-) -tacho -- [i am the mask you wear] | [http://daemonz.org/ || tacho@daemonz.org] 0x44fc3339 || [02b5 798b 4bd1 97fb f8db 72e4 dca4 be03 44fc 3339] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 7: 0:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5204E37B400 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B31B243E0F for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 062562000 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1C6B7A.A2DD4EE0@pythonemproject.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:58:18 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Is anyone else getting double messages? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been getting double messages on chat and some of the other email lists? I don't know if its on the the FreeBSD.org end or on my mta end. BTW, my mta (don't know which one) at Verio is run on FreeBSD. I get a 99.9% uptime guarantee. If I pick Win2k, I get none :) Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 7:54:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F62837B400 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gldis.ca (constans.gldis.ca [216.187.105.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB1243E06 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gldisater@gldis.ca) Received: from gldis.ca (gldisater@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gldis.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5SEsLCF005697; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:54:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gldisater@gldis.ca) Received: (from gldisater@localhost) by gldis.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5SEsLhG005696; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:54:21 -0400 From: Jeremy Faulkner To: rob Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is anyone else getting double messages? Message-ID: <20020628105421.A5684@constans.gldis.ca> References: <3D1C6B7A.A2DD4EE0@pythonemproject.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D1C6B7A.A2DD4EE0@pythonemproject.com>; from rob@pythonemproject.com on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 06:58:18AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 06:58:18AM -0700, rob wrote: > I've been getting double messages on chat and some of the other email > lists? I don't know if its on the the FreeBSD.org end or on my mta > end. BTW, my mta (don't know which one) at Verio is run on FreeBSD. I > get a 99.9% uptime guarantee. If I pick Win2k, I get none :) > > Rob. The words of the day are: procmail, carbon copies -- Jeremy Faulkner http://www.gldis.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 12: 4: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9114637B405 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.ksc.th.com (mail3.ksc.th.com [203.155.0.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D09B43E14 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easytoberich01@yahoo.com) Received: from ksc.th.com ([203.107.246.47]) by mail3.ksc.th.com (8.12.1/8.12.0) with SMTP id g5SIYRvV007846 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:03:52 +0700 Message-Id: <200206281903.g5SIYRvV007846@mail3.ksc.th.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:05:56 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org From: easytoberich01@yahoo.com (international e-business) Subject: สำหรับผู้ที่ต้องการโอกาสในการเปลี่ยนแปลงชีวิต Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org !!!!! 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In-Reply-To: <20020628105421.A5684@constans.gldis.ca> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Jeremy Faulkner wrote: > > I've been getting double messages on chat and some of the other email > > lists? I don't know if its on the the FreeBSD.org end or on my mta > > end. BTW, my mta (don't know which one) at Verio is run on FreeBSD. I > > get a 99.9% uptime guarantee. If I pick Win2k, I get none :) > The words of the day are: > procmail, carbon copies CCHHEECCKK YYOOUURR DDUUPPLLEEXX.... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 16:59:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859AD37B400 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25D4743E1A for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from notify-return-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com) X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 23:59:43 -0000 Date: 28 Jun 2002 23:59:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1025308783.83.34012.w52@yahoogroups.com> From: ARG-Daily-Jokes Moderator To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Welcome to ARG-Daily-Jokes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey yall, Welcome to the list! It may not be the best list ever, but if you care about this sorta stuff, take a sec. to review this message. To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www.onelist.com, and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. If you don't recieve a joke on some days, don't worry, it's not you. It's us. Some days we don't have time to send it out. If you want to make it easier on us, simply send us your jokes! Thanks, -Rob---Meg- Oakleys911@aol.com---Megz311@aol.com The List Owners Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 10:50: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274637B405 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F231443E94 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdupont777@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020629174940.25432.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.225.86.101] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:49:40 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Proposal for an Worldwide Data Introspector API layer for GNU tools. To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----------------------------------- Here is my proposal : ----------------------------------- I propose the following API into free software development tools to be licensed for the orderly, secure, fast, and high tech buzzword compliant data backbone for a new gnu development environment. ABSTRACT The Introspector is a tool chain to extract meta-data about your programs from the compiler and present it to you for making your job as a programmer easier. The software is free software in the spirit of the GNU manifesto and is revolutionary in the freedoms that it intends on granting to its users. There are many many licensing and legal issues addressed by this project, and my guideline for resolving them are to limit the usage of the tool for non-free software if there is a need to. The legal and licensing FAQ will be posted in the next weeks. This Meta-Data includes all data collected about your software by the Compiler, the Make system, the Project and Packaging system, the CVS Logs and the Mailling List. The Introspector's scope was originally just the GCC C compiler, but will be expanded to include the extraction of meta-data from different compilers and interpreters. The programs meta-data will be provided as a Perl/C#/(XML/RDF/DAML)/SQL or plain old C/C++ interface. We will build tools to allow this meta-data to be processed by various GUI tools, Graph Layout Tools like VCG, Diagram Editors like DIA, and Editors like EMACS. Also Languge bindings like compiling (gcc(C, C++, java) | cscc(CSHARP)) scripting (guile|Python|Perl { via inline::* }|Ruby) reasoning (guile|scheme|lisp|prolog) repository (GDBM|(POSTGRES|MYSQL)XIndice) communication (soap|xmlrpc| + a new development of a REST api) This meta-data will be stored in a repository and available to tools that need it via many different interfaces. I look forward to your comments. Please come visit my updated webpage at : http://introspector.sf.net You will find an copy of related snippets and news at : the blogger : http://gccintrospector.blogspot.com Best regards, Mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 14:38:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3656B37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [216.145.48.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B5B43E09 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AD38B5D5 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D1E28ED.B67A5271@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:38:53 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: We're famous Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=70&e=2&cid=70&u=/cn/20020629/tc_cn/940585 -- "We have known freedom's price. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 15:27: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB6F37B401; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37843E0A; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-24.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.24]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F565002F; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:26:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6C7403261; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EE14C53; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:26:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Doug Barton Cc: Subject: Re: We're famous In-Reply-To: <3D1E28ED.B67A5271@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > Subject: We're famous For all the wrong reasons. Why couldn't they just follow the status quo and do it on RedHat first? ;-) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 15:35:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6553437B400; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1815A43E09; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0102.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.102] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17OQob-00059i-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1E3611.B8D9103D@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:34:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: We're famous References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > > Subject: We're famous > > For all the wrong reasons. Why couldn't they just follow the status quo > and do it on RedHat first? ;-) How *dare* they ignore Jordan, and not port to Linux first? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-p 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 17:10: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3A637B405; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F37C43E13; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15118; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:09:40 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020629180745.02b5c100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:09:27 -0600 To: Terry Lambert , Kris Kirby From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: We're famous Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3D1E3611.B8D9103D@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:34 PM 6/29/2002, Terry Lambert wrote: >How *dare* they ignore Jordan, and not port to Linux first? > >8-) 8-) 8-) 8-p 8-). Maybe they were worried that their worm would fall under the GPL, and they'd have to give away the source. ;-) --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 18:58:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383A137B400; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C538F43E0A; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-24.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.24]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6FB5002E; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:58:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id EF01B3261; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:58:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA52C4C53; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:58:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:58:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Brett Glass Cc: Terry Lambert , Doug Barton , Subject: Re: We're famous In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020629180745.02b5c100@localhost> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > Maybe they were worried that their worm would fall under > the GPL, and they'd have to give away the source. ;-) You're right -- the GPL, plus the source would show up waaay to easy with strings(1). -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 20:23:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A805D37B401; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2E343E09; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8F4471DA; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693C5FEBE; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D1E79BA.BA02FBC0@pantherdragon.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:38 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby Cc: Brett Glass , Terry Lambert , Doug Barton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: We're famous References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > > Maybe they were worried that their worm would fall under > > the GPL, and they'd have to give away the source. ;-) > > You're right -- the GPL, plus the source would show up waaay to easy with > strings(1). Something else to consider was a viewpoint a client expressed to me just this afternoon. He viewpoint basically was that with Linux, the security advisories are so numerous and varied, that he doesn't even pay attention to most of them anymore. But whenever he sees one about FreeBSD, he always reads it. We talked more about this, and what it coems down to is that, for him, there is no real distinction between all the different Linux distributions. They all are "Linux" to him. If you're looking for recognition for something like a worm, you wouldn't make it for an OS that gets ignored by those who can get you the press. You'd want to make it be effective against the OSes that people consider the most secure. If the author were aware of the above attitude in the business world, choosing something other than Linux is merely an advertising tactic. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 21:34:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDB137B408 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C102F43E0A for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5U4Bu1H026002; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:11:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g5U4BgIv025997; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: pgreen , , , , , , , Subject: Gourmet cooking. Message-ID: <20020629235022.H25242-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When something upsets one in Pine, may they call it a pine nut? a night on the town with tommy knuckles: Ah, lift the vodka, which was of unknown origin and completly unaccountable, said tk! Observe: a tank of different types: ------|- || |persh|--- || ------|- || || || HH EE DD GG EE RR Ah, but are we OO vulcanised to/by WW such action? If only there were Are you a Batista more times of vodka! clone? Well, thought tommy: if i can, i should. H HEEEL V VEEETTTIIICCC A HHHEE L V VEE T I C AAA H HEEELLL V EEE T IIICCCA A So, tk, anything ne w i n store? yes, vodka-- i agree; --gold.wrapper(s); the shoes don't fit. 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