From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 09:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A21C16A4E2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F36343FAF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [65.66.76.7]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAPHZRqM090842 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:35:27 -0600 (CST) Sender: xcess@mail.tcworks.net Message-ID: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:47:31 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (mail.tcworks.net) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mail.tcworks.net Subject: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:44:34 -0000 Is it possible to start multiple sendmail daemons (using -C /different/cf) from rc.conf? Thanks, -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 09:56:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9E16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40843FE1 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:56:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAPHu1m7005145 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAPHu1H2005144 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:56:01 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:56:08 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:47 , Men gasped, women fainted, and small children were reduced to tears as Chris Cook confessed to all: > Is it possible to start multiple sendmail daemons (using -C > /different/cf) from rc.conf? Will this give a different perfomance than the way Sendmail forks and runs children. I had 186 sendmail instances running last week during a big flood of incoming mail. I'm curious on this point - and will having multiple daemons improve performance? Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 10:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B2C16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.mccons.net (adsl-65-64-105-41.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net [65.64.105.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE08343FDD for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@mccons.net) Received: from fw.mccons.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fw.mccons.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAPI8f1F027031 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:09:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@mccons.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by fw.mccons.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hAPI8f0x027028 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:08:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:08:41 -0600 (CST) From: Wm Brian McCane To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031117145927.0486af80@mail.go2france.com> Message-ID: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Multiport Serial X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:09:47 -0000 Greetings, This might no longer be a good place to ask this since so few of us actually use modems anymore, but... I am wondering which of the multiple serial port cards is best supported/maintained in FreeBSD. I am also concerned with expandability... A customer with a server running about 20 dumb terminals plus some PCs on a network, wants to put a box in a satellite office to run 4 or 5 terminals and a printer. They also would like a new report system and we are looking at setting up a box with about 32 modems hanging off it's backside for faxing and dumping directly to onsite modem/buffer/printer units. So: support for 8 upto 32 ports well maintained driver capable of sending 32 simultaneous 19200 or faster faxes Not too worried about the price - brian +-----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ He rides a cycle of mighty days, and \ Wm Brian and Lori McCane represents the last great schizm among\ McCane Consulting the gods. Evil though he obviously is, \ root@mccons.net he is a mighty figure, this father of \ http://freenews.maxbaud.net/ my spirit, and I respect him as the sons \ http://www.sellit-here.com/ of old did the fathers of their bodies. \ http://recall.maxbaud.net/ Roger Zelazny - "Lord of Light" \ http://www.mccons.net/ +-------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 10:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAAD16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E0043F75 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAPILNm7005545 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:21:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAPILNgY005544 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:21:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:21:23 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031125182123.GA5508@wjv.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031117145927.0486af80@mail.go2france.com> <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Multiport Serial X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:21:26 -0000 Shakespeare wrote plays and sonnets which will last an eternity, but on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:08 , Wm Brian McCane wrote: > Greetings, > This might no longer be a good place to ask this since so few of > us actually use modems anymore, but... > I am wondering which of the multiple serial port cards is best > supported/maintained in FreeBSD. I am also concerned with > expandability... > A customer with a server running about 20 dumb terminals plus > some PCs on a network, wants to put a box in a satellite office > to run 4 or 5 terminals and a printer. They also would like a > new report system and we are looking at setting up a box with > about 32 modems hanging off it's backside for faxing and dumping > directly to onsite modem/buffer/printer units. > So: > support for 8 upto 32 ports > well maintained driver > capable of sending 32 simultaneous 19200 or faster faxes > Not too worried about the price Given the way the world has changed - and having managed many multi-serial port devices in the far past, I think you'd be better served by a terminal-server - which gives you multiple RS-232 ports being connected to the OS by TCP/IP. Performance is much better than any serial boards I've seen in the past - with the exception of the Specialix RIO devices with on Inmos Transputer for very 8 serial ports. That could handle about 70 ports at 115Kb - and if you maxed it out with 128 serial ports you could sustain about 70Kb. But the damned wiring will kill you. I don't know what terminal servers are supported under BSD but IMO they are a better solution. And they are easy to remote if needed. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 10:30:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F4916A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A693343F3F for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en1 [10.15.16.44]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id hAPIUDDC007672; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] (dpvc-68-161-244-25.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.244.25]) (authenticated bits=0)hAPIUCPd001313; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:30:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:30:11 -0500 To: bv@wjv.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:30:14 -0000 On Nov 25, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Bill Vermillion wrote: >> Is it possible to start multiple sendmail daemons (using -C >> /different/cf) from rc.conf? > > Will this give a different perfomance than the way Sendmail forks > and runs children. I had 186 sendmail instances running last week > during a big flood of incoming mail. > > I'm curious on this point - and will having multiple daemons > improve performance? To an extent; one way that multiple sendmail daemons could help is by configuring "queue groups", which is a mechanism for splitting outgoing mail into different spools-- each being processed by its own daemon-- based on the recipient's domain. It's most useful for destination domains which you send a lot of mail to and which are somewhat unreliable (ie, their SMTP servers aren't always accepting mail). On the other hand, too many sendmail processes can thrash the system... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 12:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DB316A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from franky.speednet.com.au (franky.speednet.com.au [203.57.65.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE2E43F85 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (udsl-3-062.QLD.dft.com.au [202.168.108.62])hAPK7fUw065552; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:07:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (hewey.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.1])hAPK7eUR018233; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:07:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:07:39 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-X-Sender: andyf@hewey.af.speednet.com.au To: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Message-ID: <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:07:46 -0000 Charles Swiger wrote: > On the other hand, too many sendmail processes can thrash the system... You mean "can TRASH the system..."! I hate sendmail: Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: delaying=EHLO, load average=5 >= 2 Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71850]: hAL0gdUQ071850: from=, size=1991,... Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting connections on daemon MTA: load average: 5 Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting connections on daemon MSA: load average: 5 Nov 21 10:43:14 hewey sm-mta[71848]: hAL0gcUQ071848: from=, size=3265,... Nov 21 10:43:18 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: from=, size=5435,... Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey /kernel: pid 215 (mysqld), uid 88, was killed: out of swap space Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey last message repeated 5 times So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections (twice!), it then goes and accepts two more! Grrr. -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 12:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFB016A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoot.lafn.org (zoot.lafn.ORG [206.117.18.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C761343F3F for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (host-66-81-183-218.rev.o1.com [66.81.183.218]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoot.lafn.org (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hAPKK5DP083153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) In-Reply-To: <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Hardie Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:20:03 -0800 To: Andy Farkas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:20:43 -0000 On Nov 25, 2003, at 12:07, Andy Farkas wrote: > Charles Swiger wrote: > >> On the other hand, too many sendmail processes can thrash the >> system... > > You mean "can TRASH the system..."! > > I hate sendmail: > > Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: > delaying=EHLO, load average=5 >= 2 > Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71850]: hAL0gdUQ071850: > from=, size=1991,... > Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting > connections on daemon MTA: load average: 5 > Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting > connections on daemon MSA: load average: 5 > Nov 21 10:43:14 hewey sm-mta[71848]: hAL0gcUQ071848: > from=, size=3265,... > Nov 21 10:43:18 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: > from=, size=5435,... > Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap > space > Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: > failed > Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey /kernel: pid 215 (mysqld), uid 88, > was killed: out of swap space > Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey last message repeated 5 times > > So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections (twice!), it > then > goes and accepts two more! Grrr. Thrash is correct and it would appear it happening from the messages above. Sendmail checks the load average each time a new request is received. If the average is above the threshold it puts out that message and doesn't handle the request. Obviously, when PIDs 71848 and 71861 were started the load average was below the threshold. Running out of swap space is never going to be a good thing. You need more memory or more swap space. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 12:48:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD616A4CF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4589643FDF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAPKmMm7007195 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:48:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAPKmMu5007194 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:48:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:48:22 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031125204822.GD6772@wjv.com> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:48:27 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:20 Doug Hardie said 'Who you talkin' to? You talkin' to Doug Hardie? I didn't do nuttin'. I said: > > On Nov 25, 2003, at 12:07, Andy Farkas wrote: > > >Charles Swiger wrote: > >>On the other hand, too many sendmail processes can thrash the > >>system... > >You mean "can TRASH the system..."! > >I hate sendmail: > >Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: > >delaying=EHLO, load average=5 >= 2 > >Nov 21 10:43:11 hewey sm-mta[71850]: hAL0gdUQ071850: > >from=, size=1991,... > >Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting > >connections on daemon MTA: load average: 5 > >Nov 21 10:43:12 hewey sm-mta[78325]: rejecting > >connections on daemon MSA: load average: 5 > >Nov 21 10:43:14 hewey sm-mta[71848]: hAL0gcUQ071848: > >from=, size=3265,... > >Nov 21 10:43:18 hewey sm-mta[71861]: hAL0h3UQ071861: > >from=, size=5435,... > >Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap > >space > >Nov 21 10:43:21 hewey /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: > >failed > >Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey /kernel: pid 215 (mysqld), uid 88, > >was killed: out of swap space > >Nov 21 10:43:22 hewey last message repeated 5 times > >So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections > >(twice!), it then goes and accepts two more! Grrr. Well it's sort of hard to let the far systems know they shouldn't be sending any. If you look at the config file you will see that when sendmail reaches a certain limit it will not accept any more connections. So your resources are too low [as noted in the other poster comment below] as you run out of resources before you hit the limit that is in Sendmail. [see your .cf file and you could set the load average where you just queue messages and the point where you reject messages lower] > Thrash is correct and it would appear it happening from the > messages above. Sendmail checks the load average each time a new > request is received. If the average is above the threshold it > puts out that message and doesn't handle the request. Obviously, > when PIDs 71848 and 71861 were started the load average was > below the threshold. Running out of swap space is never going to > be a good thing. You need more memory or more swap space. Unless he's modified the sendmail.cf for different load values and moved them too high, then he probably needs both more memory and more swap space. And of course more memory means you need to add more swap space. Until he gets more memory he can add swap space - man 8 swapon - but to blame sendmail for an under powered or mis-configured system is wrong. I left sendmail as I had problems with it and moved to smail. But along about 1993 or 94 I moved back to sendmail and have not regretted it. I've used it as two ISP - though not large ones and both were commercial accounts only - and it's never failed me. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 13:23:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F8E16A4CF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from franky.speednet.com.au (franky.speednet.com.au [203.57.65.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EA543FD7 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (udsl-3-062.QLD.dft.com.au [202.168.108.62])hAPLNQUw075510; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:23:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (hewey.af.speednet.com.au [203.38.96.242])hAPLNOUR018815; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:23:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:23:24 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-X-Sender: andyf@hewey.af.speednet.com.au To: Bill Vermillion In-Reply-To: <20031125204822.GD6772@wjv.com> Message-ID: <20031126070221.R17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> <20031125204822.GD6772@wjv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:23:32 -0000 Bill Vermillion wrote: > > >So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections > > >(twice!), it then goes and accepts two more! Grrr. > > Well it's sort of hard to let the far systems know they shouldn't > be sending any. If you look at the config file you will see that > when sendmail reaches a certain limit it will not accept any more > connections. So your resources are too low [as noted in the other > poster comment below] as you run out of resources before you hit > the limit that is in Sendmail. [see your .cf file and you could > set the load average where you just queue messages and the point > where you reject messages lower] > > > Thrash is correct and it would appear it happening from the > > messages above. Sendmail checks the load average each time a new > > request is received. If the average is above the threshold it > > puts out that message and doesn't handle the request. Obviously, > > when PIDs 71848 and 71861 were started the load average was > > below the threshold. Running out of swap space is never going to > > be a good thing. You need more memory or more swap space. > > Unless he's modified the sendmail.cf for different load values > and moved them too high, then he probably needs both more memory > and more swap space. And of course more memory means you need to > add more swap space. > > Until he gets more memory he can add swap space - man 8 swapon - > but to blame sendmail for an under powered or mis-configured system > is wrong. I know exactly what happened to my system. I was there watching it self destruct. But the beauty of FreeBSD is its stability; the box is still running and hasn't even been rebooted. Yep, it needs more RAM and more swap. But that aint gonna happen :) Some background on my setup: sendmail, procmail, bogofilter, and amavis/uvscan. sendmail receives a message, sends it to amavis which spawns a uvscan, then procmail bogofilters it. Works well, but is rather resource intensive (and as you've noticed, this box is under-resourced). If I disconnect from the 'Net for a few hours, mail gets queued upstream, and when I reconnect, vast quantities of email come in all at once spawning hundreds of processes. (the poo hits the fan at around 300 procs) My sendmail.cf has this in it: O QueueLA=3 O RefuseLA=4 O DelayLA=2 O MaxDaemonChildren=16 O ConnectionRateThrottle=3 but the situation can still occur :) -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 16:08:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663316A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4889043FBF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [65.66.76.7]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAPNx63S042058; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:59:06 -0600 (CST) Sender: xcess@mail.tcworks.net Message-ID: <3FC3EF9D.E198BDBC@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:11:09 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Farkas References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> <20031126070221.R17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (mail.tcworks.net) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mail.tcworks.net cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:08:15 -0000 Hey Guys... any ideas on my original post that started the thread? :) Any way to start multiple sendmail daemons using different configs from rc.conf? :) Thanks, Chris Andy Farkas wrote: > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > > >So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections > > > >(twice!), it then goes and accepts two more! Grrr. > > > > Well it's sort of hard to let the far systems know they shouldn't > > be sending any. If you look at the config file you will see that > > when sendmail reaches a certain limit it will not accept any more > > connections. So your resources are too low [as noted in the other > > poster comment below] as you run out of resources before you hit > > the limit that is in Sendmail. [see your .cf file and you could > > set the load average where you just queue messages and the point > > where you reject messages lower] > > > > > Thrash is correct and it would appear it happening from the > > > messages above. Sendmail checks the load average each time a new > > > request is received. If the average is above the threshold it > > > puts out that message and doesn't handle the request. Obviously, > > > when PIDs 71848 and 71861 were started the load average was > > > below the threshold. Running out of swap space is never going to > > > be a good thing. You need more memory or more swap space. > > > > Unless he's modified the sendmail.cf for different load values > > and moved them too high, then he probably needs both more memory > > and more swap space. And of course more memory means you need to > > add more swap space. > > > > Until he gets more memory he can add swap space - man 8 swapon - > > but to blame sendmail for an under powered or mis-configured system > > is wrong. > > I know exactly what happened to my system. I was there watching it self > destruct. But the beauty of FreeBSD is its stability; the box is still > running and hasn't even been rebooted. > > Yep, it needs more RAM and more swap. But that aint gonna happen :) > > Some background on my setup: sendmail, procmail, bogofilter, and > amavis/uvscan. sendmail receives a message, sends it to amavis which > spawns a uvscan, then procmail bogofilters it. Works well, but is rather > resource intensive (and as you've noticed, this box is under-resourced). > > If I disconnect from the 'Net for a few hours, mail gets queued upstream, > and when I reconnect, vast quantities of email come in all at once > spawning hundreds of processes. (the poo hits the fan at around 300 procs) > > My sendmail.cf has this in it: > > O QueueLA=3 > O RefuseLA=4 > O DelayLA=2 > O MaxDaemonChildren=16 > O ConnectionRateThrottle=3 > > but the situation can still occur :) > > -- > > :{ andyf@speednet.com.au > > Andy Farkas > System Administrator > Speednet Communications > http://www.speednet.com.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 16:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561D16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC69D43F93 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAQ0Igm7009168 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAQ0Ig6g009167 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:42 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031126001842.GA8884@wjv.com> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <67773D2B-1F75-11D8-B94F-003065ABFD92@mac.com> <20031126055846.X17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> <20031125204822.GD6772@wjv.com> <20031126070221.R17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031126070221.R17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:18:45 -0000 On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 07:23 , while impersonating an expert on the internet, Andy Farkas sent this to stdout: > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > >So even though sendmail says it is rejecting connections > > > >(twice!), it then goes and accepts two more! Grrr. [lots deleted - wjv] > > Until he gets more memory he can add swap space - man 8 swapon - > > but to blame sendmail for an under powered or mis-configured system > > is wrong. > I know exactly what happened to my system. I was there watching > it self destruct. But the beauty of FreeBSD is its stability; > the box is still running and hasn't even been rebooted. > Yep, it needs more RAM and more swap. But that aint gonna happen :) Why? Read the vnconfig and swapon man pages and you can see you can make a special file and use that for swap. That means no reconfiguring of the devices. Of course the presumes you have enough space on the HD to do so. I personally think it's better to have enough swap to keep problems from occuring. A friend is running a web server on OS/X and it builds swap files dynamically. When it runs out of swap it creates another 80MB swap file. I just checked and there are 12 of them right now. Before he started moving some load to another machine I saw as high as 27 80MB files in use as swap. Not as good as dedicated HD space but good enough to keep you going? I'm just curious as to why you don't want to add swap - as it will keep at least one problem from happening. > Some background on my setup: sendmail, procmail, bogofilter, and > amavis/uvscan. sendmail receives a message, sends it to amavis > which spawns a uvscan, then procmail bogofilters it. Works well, > but is rather resource intensive (and as you've noticed, this > box is under-resourced). Boy do I know that feeling. After a nearby lightning hit weaked my mobo causing it to finally fail a month later I was on a system that if I got a load of mail things would creep along. Now I have a much faster system. > If I disconnect from the 'Net for a few hours, mail gets queued > upstream, and when I reconnect, vast quantities of email come in > all at once spawning hundreds of processes. (the poo hits the > fan at around 300 procs) Oh yes. I would use fetchmail to go to the server, but I'm on a DSL so only when the DSL wedged did I see that problem. I can really relate to that. > My sendmail.cf has this in it: > O QueueLA=3 > O RefuseLA=4 > O DelayLA=2 > O MaxDaemonChildren=16 > O ConnectionRateThrottle=3 > but the situation can still occur :) That's pretty low. You are saying even with those you run into problems. Wow. I was thinking you might be running with the default 8 and 12 and could lower those. Mabye we can take up a collection :-) -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 17:16:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EC916A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from franky.speednet.com.au (franky.speednet.com.au [203.57.65.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1CB43FDD for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (udsl-3-062.QLD.dft.com.au [202.168.108.62])hAQ1G0Uw015551; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:16:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (hewey.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.1])hAQ1FxUR020482; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:16:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:15:59 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-X-Sender: andyf@hewey.af.speednet.com.au To: Chris Cook In-Reply-To: <3FC3EF9D.E198BDBC@tcworks.net> Message-ID: <20031126111356.K17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> References: <3FC395B3.C59E4AC3@tcworks.net> <20031125175601.GA4988@wjv.com> <20031126070221.R17841@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> <3FC3EF9D.E198BDBC@tcworks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start multiple sendmail daemons from rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:16:05 -0000 Chris Cook wrote: > Hey Guys... any ideas on my original post that started the thread? :) > > Any way to start multiple sendmail daemons using different configs from > rc.conf? You'll have to create your own startup scripts and stick them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. Have a look at how /etc/rc.sendmail works. man 8 rc -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 19:32:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B4516A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.infodrive.com.ar (malvinas.argentina.com [200.68.192.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4120643FDD for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carlos@infodrive.com.ar) Received: from localhost (localhost.intradoc.com.ar [127.0.0.1]) by mail.infodrive.com.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9668B13 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:43:24 -0300 (ART) Received: from 24.232.149.98 ( [24.232.149.98]) as user carlos@localhost by www.infodrive.com.ar with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:43:24 -0300 Message-ID: <1069771404.3fc36a8c30a15@www.infodrive.com.ar> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:43:24 -0300 From: CH To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 / FreeBSD-4.7 X-Originating-IP: 24.232.149.98 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: huge email system X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:32:42 -0000 Hello, we run an outsourced mail relay service for some ISPs, with separate servers for outgoing and incoming mail. we have two double-xeon 2.4 w/4G of RAM running FreeBSD-4.9, postfix-current with recipient address verification against different maildrop servers, and amavisd-new + spamassassin + antivirus for the incoming mail. They both receive around 300mgs/min (which is around 430.000 msgs per server per day), of which 33% is being rejected, another 33% is being tagged as spam, 1% is virus-infected, and the remaining 33% is being forwarded to the real accounts. both servers are running on the edge, with very little cpu available and the danger of swapping when too many outstanding amavis processes. Use same hardware for same MX weight, and lots of memory for concurrent virus and spam checking. for outoing mail we use several P4 2.4 w/1G RAM, in some cases we had to split the service into different machines due to different sasl settings, such as one with pam_radius and another one with rimap. they carry between 50 and 200msgs/min, and go through amavisd too before being delivered. The mail volume increase is impressive, we had to build a quota control into postfix to detect things such as too many bounces being returned to a spammer using one of our domains (this in the incoming mail relays) and a quota for outgoing mail (which isn't likely to happen if you have business accounts). These are all perl scripts that parse logfiles in almost realtime and update a central MySQL quota database: again, lots of CPU required. We carry all this e-mail in and out for around 250k accounts of our customers. I know some of them use FreeBSD NFS boxes with 100M NICs on internal addresses without any problems. Backups and filesystem-snapshots are an issue though. Maildir makes backup/restore easier. Encrypted passwords on SQL are a good idea if you need some sort of provisioning system for your accounts, then you might access them from radius, then from pam, and finally from imap and smtp+sasl among others. Hope this helps, -Carlos Mensaje citado por Bill Vermillion : > They all laughed on Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 17:28 when David said: > > > Hello - > > > We need to build a stable, redundant, and speedy email system > > that will last for a few years. We need to handle about 500,000 > > emails per day. We have about 30,000 users, so we need a lot of > > storage. > > 30,000 users with only 500,000 emails per day. I say that based on > running a small ISP with a few hundred users and see large mail > volume. All are business accounts. > > I'll let others comment on the rest, but I think 500,000 emails per > day may be underestimating things. That's only 20 emails per user > per day. > > As to last a few years - who knows. In the past year I've seen > such an overall increase in mail volume that now I'm looking to get > new servers with more CPU power. It's not disk size that is the > problem but the in-coming and out-going traffic that is killing the > CPU. > > Bill > -- > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > Este mensaje ha sido analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos > peligrosos, > y se considera que está limpio. > -- http://www.infodrive.com.ar - E-mail corporativo > > -- Carlos ------------------------------------------------- Mail enviado con INFODRIVE ----- Fin del mensaje reenviado ----- -- Carlos ------------------------------------------------- Mail enviado con INFODRIVE -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que está limpio. -- http://www.infodrive.com.ar - E-mail corporativo From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 22:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B0416A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bl.metva.com.au (c210-49-170-214.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.170.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5799143FBD for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:04:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from enno@bashful.metva.com.au) Received: by bl.metva.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 6692DD78C00; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:03:58 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:03:58 +1100 From: Enno Davids To: Wm Brian McCane Message-ID: <20031126060358.GC33960@bl.metva.com.au> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031117145927.0486af80@mail.go2france.com> <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiport Serial X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:04:04 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:08:41PM -0600, Wm Brian McCane wrote: |Greetings, | This might no longer be a good place to ask this since so few of |us actually use modems anymore, but... | |I am wondering which of the multiple serial port cards is best |supported/maintained in FreeBSD. I am also concerned with |expandability... I've been using the the Stallion gear lately with great results. Only at low speed so I can't vouch for their abilties at full rate on lots of ports, but then again they have both intelligent and dumb cards so I guess its just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. Cheers, E. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 05:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC42416A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.irrelevant.org (dsl-217-155-238-246.zen.co.uk [217.155.238.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1042343FAF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simond@irrelevant.org) Received: from [62.244.179.195] (helo=[192.168.195.58]) by home.irrelevant.org with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AP0AQ-000KsC-52; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:57:18 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: Wm Brian McCane In-Reply-To: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> References: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1069854998.681.1.camel@laptop.irrelevant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:56:39 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiport Serial X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:57:21 -0000 On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 18:08, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > Greetings, > This might no longer be a good place to ask this since so few of > us actually use modems anymore, but... > > I am wondering which of the multiple serial port cards is best > supported/maintained in FreeBSD. I am also concerned with > expandability... > > A customer with a server running about 20 dumb terminals plus some PCs on > a network, wants to put a box in a satellite office to run 4 or 5 > terminals and a printer. They also would like a new report system and we > are looking at setting up a box with about 32 modems hanging off it's > backside for faxing and dumping directly to onsite modem/buffer/printer > units. > > So: > support for 8 upto 32 ports > well maintained driver > capable of sending 32 simultaneous 19200 or faster faxes > Not too worried about the price Not sure if this works under FreeBSD or not (the chipset does, it's the 8 port part that apparently hasn't been tested), but easysync.co.uk do a USB -> up to 8 serial port units which may be worth looking into From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 08:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A640416A4CF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F2943FF5 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simong@desktop-guardian.com) Received: from [81.174.227.186] (helo=desktop-guardian.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AP2x1-000FbG-Ae for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 39023 invoked by uid 1006); 26 Nov 2003 16:58:04 -0000 Received: from simong@desktop-guardian.com by dtg25 by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.54. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 26.218009 secs); 26 Nov 2003 16:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dtg17) (192.168.0.17) by 192.168.0.25 with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 16:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: <01a301c3b43d$dbe99930$1100a8c0@dtg17> From: "Simon Gray" To: "Wm Brian McCane" References: <20031125120037.V26497-100000@fw.mccons.net> <1069854998.681.1.camel@laptop.irrelevant.org> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:53:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiport Serial X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:47 -0000 > > A customer with a server running about 20 dumb terminals plus some PCs on > > a network, wants to put a box in a satellite office to run 4 or 5 > > terminals and a printer. They also would like a new report system and we > > are looking at setting up a box with about 32 modems hanging off it's > > backside for faxing and dumping directly to onsite modem/buffer/printer > > units. Might be easier to run an isdn30 setup (rather than banks of serial ports with modems hanging off them). The eicon diva server pri cards allow up to 30isdn channels per card. You could always start off with 8 channels on, and as required just request more channels from the telco. I think the maximum server cards you can have per machine is 3 or 4 (allowing around 100+ isdn channels per box). Now i've not done this under bsd, but under windows you can communicate with each isdn channel through the drivers as if it were a standard com port using the at commands, which makes life much easier. (You could use a lower level and talk directly to the card if you wanted to. We use these in our java phone servers, they work well. Definatly easier than a big stack of modems, plus you can terminate the call without ever answering it (useful for protecting against potential war dialing etc..) Not sure how well supported these cards are under freebsd tho, might be worth a look tho (quick look in google found quite a bit >> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=diva+server+freebsd << ) HTH Simon From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 09:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DC16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from joyin.redynet.com.ar (joyin.redynet.com.ar [200.69.11.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C3E743FB1 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@redy.net.ar) Received: (qmail 6738 invoked by uid 82); 26 Nov 2003 18:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO carlino.redy.net.ar) (200.69.11.9) by pepina.redynet.com.ar with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 18:05:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:44:28 -0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta::::::::" Organization: redynet Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.21/FreeBSD M2 build 497 Subject: Antivirus howto X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:57:12 -0000 Hello, witch Antivirus recomend me, for Qmail i'am want anyone free -- Carlos Ariel Canta Dto. Tecnico Redynet S.R.L From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 11:02:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851FD16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.akwireless.net (webmail.akwireless.net [192.189.218.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 768FC43FBF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dee@akwireless.net) Received: (qmail 30872 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 19:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO papa.wdm.com) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 19:02:46 -0000 From: "W.D. McKinney" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1069873722.2618.136.camel@papa.wdm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Rubber Turnip www.usr-local-bin.org Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:08:42 -0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Antivirus howto X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:02:48 -0000 On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 08:44, ::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta:::::::: wrote: > Hello, witch Antivirus recomend me, for Qmail i'am want anyone free Hello. Without additional info, try clamav. http://clamav.elektrapro.com/ Dee -- W.D.McKinney (Dee) | Affordable E-Mail and Internet Solutions Alaska Wireless Systems | for Schools, Libraries, Clinics & Businesses http://www.akwireless.net | Call 1-907-349-4308 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 04:19:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45B516A4CE for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6E843FA3 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.24 #1 (FreeBSD 4.9)) id 1AQ447-000CFK-BO by authid for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:19:11 +0300 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:19:11 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031129121911.GA41923@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: POP3 but not IMAP X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:19:17 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Admins, I was reading an article on PAM and something interesting crossed my mind. I am now thinking about giving services by discrimination;-) In our setup, everyone can do POP3. There are system users (no shells) who can do both POP3 and IMAP. Now I want a situation where POP3 is available to everyone while IMAP is only available to a few specified individuals. This has been discussed in the following article (though Linux-centric): http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1161/sam0009a/0009a.htm I believe it's doable with FreeBSD also. I could do this using that suggested method but I am putting all my users in MYSQL db, but I still would like to achieve the same. I could add a column for imap_enable for each user to achieve the effect of enable/ disable IMAP access. Has anyone successfully done something akin to this? Perhaps using the pam_mysql module or other app? -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIIIpQYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIIljCCCJICAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BikwggLiMIICS6ADAgECAgMK3KkwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAj BgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTAzMTAwNDA4MzU0MloXDTA0MTAwMzA4 MzU0MlowQzEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJ ARYRd2FzaEB3YW5hbmNoaS5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDj LEll50c7ieFwNjBB+zKmFlkslzsR/Dl/uSuDZppsXrbF50H0rnUr5sjOUyy/I8Y/d1lEBIl9 pnCGZEZRpgnZYaEoy3epi9G2xU/UyT5sNQ3M0Oub5LtiahXCWTVQUYut7d972O3QeTXBqvJN uUHnijthdBZ575N9n6niGrXSTJkZieIYc3TU7APlAf1c4B7n+ye62fRqceRPmYO9675wIT+V rTLuXSlAMzOiuNMKD4fiEZ5JwxnshnOyfjpLJg78ISjl86YYhvwHMnOOQI1hfrndhi9dR4tj xJ01UA7PReoRPEVbq/r/hHtAKj7t/nMC4J1ExEBEqTdREFjQMYffAgMBAAGjQTA/MBEGCWCG SAGG+EIBAQQEAwIFoDAcBgNVHREEFTATgRF3YXNoQHdhbmFuY2hpLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8E AjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAApA1MhFESmSeJeNrNeIPOZRyZ1Zpcwy81Wyh88A0I2v ZZamU2QRP+sbz+lwfxVdSImCZ7foOQYj9bemCrGmVhHN3uiiyWVUudD8INpH9pJmrDiWFlrZ HzHXK1CpXrHbjnC8Qx91ibhYrqdvSWaKA7TfKadFIqe+gLgB3JHTD/JAMIIDPzCCAqigAwIB AgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4g Q2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEo MCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhh d3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVl bWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkG A1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNV BAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB AQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9R zgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4H v0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB /wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1Ro YXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAc MRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oL LswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsA xRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwh GTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAkQwggJAAgEBMGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRo YXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBG cmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAgMK3KkwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCBsTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJ KoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wMzExMjkxMjE5MTBaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBR36iJ08iu7GXXTBwPTo0DRIULpljBSBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4G CCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAwpqUI31kaDfifjKpsLxMw+z1ynUjhfODrdPfTawn2evIQ/9X3 KhtKrO1vB2k/VRH+TSg3dGZXqt7F2g6GAWGtmyua86aujg/V0Hrv9JdGeJ7Iw/W9vna5M+Ew oE+aFySZcW3VQ05dOJnBP9YKU9MVZSTSsQkJMW+kiZ7gg2McTgX7SofzfF6wzIOQp51Oo0xM TS73BBcvvTfWbqUk1Bl/dxKTsft0kSFgHx9WlH4hD1Nz3lsumJBq+84qEDwd4mtNZSvNWCXF RRjXkwbl+B/F8eTAkVlTPQoLZg4l6t4tjEO0LIN+DakWkk2ftYXhwbecuxpERq2nBka1+89t gHS6 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 08:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AE016A4CE for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C8F443F75 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 94461 invoked by uid 110); 29 Nov 2003 16:05:24 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 16:05:24 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Odhiambo Washington" Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:04:26 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <20031129121911.GA41923@ns2.wananchi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20031129160437.1C8F443F75@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: POP3 but not IMAP X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:04:41 -0000 Yes, this is doable and has nothing to do with FreeBSD :-) You just need a custom authentication script which would only authenticate those few :-) Good luck, it works. -Simon On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:19:11 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >Hi Admins, > >I was reading an article on PAM and something interesting crossed my mind. >I am now thinking about giving services by discrimination;-) > >In our setup, everyone can do POP3. There are system users (no shells) >who can do both POP3 and IMAP. Now I want a situation where POP3 is >available to everyone while IMAP is only available to a few specified >individuals. This has been discussed in the following article (though >Linux-centric): > >http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1161/sam0009a/0009a.htm > >I believe it's doable with FreeBSD also. > >I could do this using that suggested method but I am putting all my >users in MYSQL db, but I still would like to achieve the same. I could >add a column for imap_enable for each user to achieve the effect of enable/ >disable IMAP access. > >Has anyone successfully done something akin to this? Perhaps using the >pam_mysql module or other app? > > > >-Wash > >http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > >-- >+======================================================================+ > |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington >Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 >+======================================================================+ >