From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 02:02:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552537B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D743FA3 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id AF34E5308; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:02:00 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Kevin Oberman" From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:01:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030329184236.71A3C69@ptavv.es.net> ("Kevin Oberman"'s message of "Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:42:36 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030329184236.71A3C69@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: stable@freebsd.org cc: sos%sos@spider.deepcore.dk Subject: Re: Status of ATA tagging in Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:02:04 -0000 "Kevin Oberman" writes: > I have a P3 system running STABLE built on March 7. I installed a new > IBM DTLA disk drive and was distressed at its slowness, so I tried > turning on tagging to see if that would help. It seemed to, until... The DTLA series is known bad. Take it back to the dealer and harass him into replacing it with a DTTA or newer. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 03:01:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF4837B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99CF43FCB for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from adslle.cc.univie.ac.at (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2UB0ujW271860 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:00:57 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:00:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-mailbox-Metrics: mailbox 4251; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:01:07 -0000 Hi, I currently have access to a bunch of disks and a fat machine so I took the chance and performed some vinum benchmarks. You can find the results at . I created several RAID 0 and RAID 5 volumes with different stripe sizes and let bonnie++ run over the filesystems. I was quite disappointed about the RAID 5 performance, and even the RAID 0 performance wasn't too good (a plain single disk filesystem was almost as fast as or even faster than a RAID 0 stripe, and I wouldn't expect that). RAID 5 performance was really a mess, some of the test took more than 30min. to complete. Anyone has an idea what's going wrong here? (Apart from me doing bullsh*t benchmarking :-) .) Please keep me cc'ed. best regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 03:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F08037B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC3943FCB for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2UBVndK006373; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:31:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2UBVlmx006372; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200303301131.h2UBVlmx006372@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lj@2u2.nu In-Reply-To: <20030329123009.GA698@atlantis.local.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lj@2u2.nu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:32:00 -0000 L. Jankok wrote: > I have said this different time on the list. > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. Thanks for the hint. Just to make sure: Are you saying that that particular bug in the bge driver is fixed in RELENG_4_7? That would be very odd, because I expect such bug fixes to go into -stable, and only critical security fixes into RELENG_4_7. (BTW, searching the archive on the web didn't turn up anything. Maybe I used the wrong keywords, or maybe the search function fooled me; it doesn't seem very reliable.) Regards Oliver > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:20:07PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > :Jeff Behl wrote: > : > FreeBSD blade7-bc2.sjc 4.8-RC2 FreeBSD 4.8-RC2 #1: Wed Mar 26 20:17:42 > : > GMT 2003 > : > > : > i've had two reboots in the last 30 mins on a fairly heavly loaded web > : > server (apache). the following immediately precedes both reboots (no > : > more messages after this): > : > [...] > : > any ideas or help? these are the first blades we've put into production > : > (IBM bladecenter)...which isn't boding well at all for using the > : > remaining 14 blades. the machines are only pumping out around 9Mb/s. > : > :I'm sorry, but I have to say that we seem to be suffering > :from the very same problem. :-( > : > :We have a bunch of Compaq DL360G2 (about 20 of them) at a > :customer of ours, each of them has two Broadcom gigabit > :interfaces (bge0 and bge1). There are spontaneous reboots > :when a machine is under high network load. It seems to > :happen under 4.7-Release as well. > : > :This is a pretty critical issue for us, because we cannot > :easily replace those machines, nor can we plug in other > :gigabit cards (those are 1U servers and we need the two > :on-board interfaces). The consequence would be that the > :OS might have to be changed, since we haven't experienced > :any reboots under Linux on a test machine so far. :-( > : > :Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm willing to assist in > :whatever way necessary to resolve this issue. -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. Encrypting transactions on the Internet is the equivalent of arranging an armored car to deliver credit-card information from someone living in a cardboard box to someone living on a park bench. -- Eugene Spafford (computer scientist, Purdue Univ.) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 04:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3719837B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B543F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id A04D85308; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:08:25 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Lukas Ertl From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:08:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> (Lukas Ertl's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:00:56 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:08:37 -0000 Lukas Ertl writes: > Anyone has an idea what's going wrong here? (Apart from me doing bullsh*t > benchmarking :-) .) Just out of curiosity, try again with prime stripe sizes (31, 61, 127, 257, 509) or at least odd ones (31, 63, 127, 255, 511). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 06:19:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8637C37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E9D43FBD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fearow@attbi.com) Received: from god.woofcat.com (12-251-110-17.client.attbi.com[12.251.110.17]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2003033014190300300k3hgqe>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:19:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:18:31 -0600 From: Anti To: des@ofug.org, ?=@FreeBSD.ORG (Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav) Message-Id: <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> Organization: Woofcat X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: l.ertl@univie.ac.at Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:19:08 -0000 On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:08:24 +0200 des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > Lukas Ertl writes: > > Anyone has an idea what's going wrong here? (Apart from me doing bullsh= *t > > benchmarking :-) .) >=20 > Just out of curiosity, try again with prime stripe sizes (31, 61, 127, > 257, 509) or at least odd ones (31, 63, 127, 255, 511). try benchmarking ccd as well to see how it compares? and try some big stripe sizes (4093, 8191, 12281)? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 06:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4578637B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9696943F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id D95A25308; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:30:18 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Anti From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:30:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> (Anti's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:18:31 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: l.ertl@univie.ac.at Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:30:23 -0000 Anti writes: > try benchmarking ccd as well to see how it compares? and try some big str= ipe > sizes (4093, 8191, 12281)? I believe Greg showed in his USENIX paper on Vinum that large stripe sizes aren't preferable to small ones. I may misremember though. ccd isn't very interesting, its performance should be just slightly worse than single disk case. What would be interesting though would be to compare Vinum with ATA RAID (see the 'create' command in the atacontrol man page) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 06:38:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0F637B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C26043F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:38:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from adslle.cc.univie.ac.at (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2UEcFjW015204; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:38:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:38:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030330163238.X23911@leelou.in.tern> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx1 4241; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:38:29 -0000 On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > What would be interesting though would be to compare Vinum with ATA RAID > (see the 'create' command in the atacontrol man page) Since this is a SCSI-only system I can't test ATA raid. :-) I'm currently testing with prime stripe sizes, but it doesn't seem to help. I additionally added "options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO" to the kernel, and it has raised write performance in the single-disk case (although I'm not happy with that one either; I expected a disk on a U160 controller to pump out more than ~65MB/s). regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 07:20:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A019837B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc2-cove3-6-cust88.brhm.cable.ntl.com (pc2-cove3-6-cust88.brhm.cable.ntl.com [81.107.10.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C8A43F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) Received: from alpha.private.lan (alpha.private.lan [192.168.0.2]) id h2UFKGDb014941 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:20:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) From: ian j hart To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:20:15 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303301620.15809.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> Subject: 4.7-RELEASE-p10/4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:20:20 -0000 Should I roll out p10, or will a fixed up 4.8 ship RSN? I only ask because it's been one hell of a month what with p8, samba-2.2.8 and p9 over two days last week. I'd like to update only once this week. -- ian j hart Quoth the raven, bite me! Salem Saberhagen (Episode LXXXI: The Phantom Menace) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 07:27:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA037B425 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DCB43FA3 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([129.44.43.88]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030330152707.VJMV15663.out003.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:27:07 -0600 Message-ID: <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:27:03 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> In-Reply-To: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [129.44.43.88] at Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:27:07 -0600 cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:27:12 -0000 Lukas Ertl wrote: [ ... ] > I created several RAID 0 and RAID 5 volumes with different stripe sizes > and let bonnie++ run over the filesystems. I was quite disappointed about > the RAID 5 performance, and even the RAID 0 performance wasn't too good > (a plain single disk filesystem was almost as fast as or even faster than > a RAID 0 stripe, and I wouldn't expect that). > > RAID 5 performance was really a mess, some of the test took more than > 30min. to complete. There are three goals or priorities to choose from when configuring RAID: performance, reliability, and cost. What are yours? Also, what tasks you intend to use the RAID filesystem for are critical to consider, even if the answer is simply "undifferentiated general-purpose storage". In particular, RAID-5 write performance is going to be slow, even with RAID hardware support which offloads the parity calculations from the system CPU(s). RAID-5 is best suited for read-mostly or read-only volumes, where you value cost more than performance. Um, that is a dual-channel card, and you're splitting drives onto both channels, right? Anyway, if I had your hardware and no specs as to what to do, I'd probably configure 2 disks as a RAID-1 mirror for an OS boot volume; configure 4 disks as RAID-10; and use the 7th disk as a staging area, hot spare, etc. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 08:00:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F537B415 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7850A43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from adslle.cc.univie.ac.at (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2UG01jW010072; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:00:04 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:00:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-mailbox-Metrics: mailbox 4251; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:00:16 -0000 On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Lukas Ertl wrote: > [ ... ] > > I created several RAID 0 and RAID 5 volumes with different stripe sizes > > and let bonnie++ run over the filesystems. I was quite disappointed abo= ut > > the RAID 5 performance, and even the RAID 0 performance wasn't too good > > (a plain single disk filesystem was almost as fast as or even faster th= an > > a RAID 0 stripe, and I wouldn't expect that). > > > > RAID 5 performance was really a mess, some of the test took more than > > 30min. to complete. > > There are three goals or priorities to choose from when configuring > RAID: performance, reliability, and cost. What are yours? I just wanted to test the performance of these drives and of vinum; I had no goals to reach. > Also, what tasks you intend to use the RAID filesystem for are critical > to consider, even if the answer is simply "undifferentiated > general-purpose storage". In particular, RAID-5 write performance is > going to be slow, even with RAID hardware support which offloads the > parity calculations from the system CPU(s). RAID-5 is best suited for > read-mostly or read-only volumes, where you value cost more than > performance. Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ bad. The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be slow? > Um, that is a dual-channel card, and you're splitting drives onto both > channels, right? Yes, it is dual channel, but the disks I'm testing are all connected to the same channel. Bad layout? regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 08:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A9F37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E01043FA3 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id B781C5308; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:10:08 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Lukas Ertl From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:10:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030330163238.X23911@leelou.in.tern> (Lukas Ertl's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:38:15 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> <20030330163238.X23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:10:42 -0000 Lukas Ertl writes: > I'm currently testing with prime stripe sizes, but it doesn't seem to > help. I additionally added "options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO" to the kernel, and it > has raised write performance in the single-disk case (although I'm not > happy with that one either; I expected a disk on a U160 controller to pump > out more than ~65MB/s). Does the data sheet for your disk indicate that it can in fact write much faster than that? The speed at which data is actually written to the media is much lower than the bus speed - the bus speed *has* to be higher to accomodate multiple devices. For instance, the "internal formatted transfer rate" for a recent 73GB Seagate Cheetah varies between 38.4 and 63.9 MB/s (depending on how far out from the spindle you're writing). You won't see higher average transfer speeds than that unless the data you're writing fits entirely within the disk's on-board cache. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 08:21:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A8137B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EC043F93 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from adslle.cc.univie.ac.at (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2UGLFjW121164; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:21:18 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:21:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030330181947.B23911@leelou.in.tern> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-mailbox-Metrics: mailbox 4251; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:21:27 -0000 On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Lukas Ertl writes: > > I'm currently testing with prime stripe sizes, but it doesn't seem to > > help. I additionally added "options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO" to the kernel, and= it > > has raised write performance in the single-disk case (although I'm not > > happy with that one either; I expected a disk on a U160 controller to p= ump > > out more than ~65MB/s). > > Does the data sheet for your disk indicate that it can in fact write > much faster than that? Well, the HP/Compaq webpages are full of marketing speech wrt that, but since these disks are U320 disks, they should perform better I think. > The speed at which data is actually written to the media is much lower > than the bus speed - the bus speed *has* to be higher to accomodate > multiple devices. Ok, that's reasonable. best regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 08:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE9937B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3343F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net.strauser.com (kirk@pooh.honeypot.net [10.0.5.128]) by kanga.honeypot.net (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2UGSxlQ085100 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:28:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Kirk Strauser Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:28:59 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20030330181947.B23911@leelou.in.tern> (Lukas Ertl's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:21:15 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87y92w24z8.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330181947.B23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:29:04 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2003-03-30T16:21:15Z, Lukas Ertl writes: > Well, the HP/Compaq webpages are full of marketing speech wrt that, but > since these disks are U320 disks, they should perform better I think. Why would you think that? My ATA133 drives don't ever touch 133MB/s. The interface has little bearing on the maximum sustained throughput of the drive itself. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+hxtL5sRg+Y0CpvERAtdAAJ9XXXUqeRiMWYp7409+3lfV1yHt/wCgjuMs b4Il3Cdiuv4AK9zeLRjlj4s= =MHdy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 08:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4D637B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EF743FAF for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pantzer@ludd.luth.se) Received: from ludd.luth.se (skalman.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.52]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2UGoK802031; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:50:20 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:50:20 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Ertl References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> In-Reply-To: <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:50:38 -0000 Lukas Ertl wrote: > Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ bad. > The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand > why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be > slow? To do a RAID 5 write you do this: 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. 2. Read the coresponding parity data. 3. Write the new data. 4. Write the new parity. So one write is 4 I/O before it hits the disk. There are some optimizations that can be done if you are doing writes that span a stripe, but RIAD 5 _is_ slower. Hardware RAID 5 can help a lot if it has battery backed RAM as it can hide some of that delay. Hardware RAID 5 without battery backed RAM will only use less CPU. For RAID0 to be faster than a singel disk you have to do reads that match or are larger than a stripe. Or have several processes generate the IO. Try running two bonnie in paralell and se what hapens. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 09:01:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1805837B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E4A43FE9 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([129.44.43.88]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030330170121.UFYD10550.out004.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:01:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3E8722DD.5050703@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:01:17 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> In-Reply-To: <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [129.44.43.88] at Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:01:21 -0600 cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:01:54 -0000 Lukas Ertl wrote: [ ... ] >> There are three goals or priorities to choose from when configuring >> RAID: performance, reliability, and cost. What are yours? > > I just wanted to test the performance of these drives and of vinum; I had > no goals to reach. Testing something to see what happens is a goal in and of itself. Nevertheless, my question wasn't idle: you probably will find that if you choose a goal like, "I want to set up a RAID volume that has really good performance", that you learn more from your testing. >> Also, what tasks you intend to use the RAID filesystem for are critical >> to consider, even if the answer is simply "undifferentiated >> general-purpose storage". In particular, RAID-5 write performance is >> going to be slow, even with RAID hardware support which offloads the >> parity calculations from the system CPU(s). RAID-5 is best suited for >> read-mostly or read-only volumes, where you value cost more than >> performance. > > Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ bad. RAID-5 trades performance for both cost and for reliability. Actually, most forms of RAID trade performance OR cost for reliability, but RAID-5 does both and thus is generally slower than a single drive. Especially when you're got lots of multithreaded small writes; that is to say, doing an I/O benchmark, which is designed to saturate the I/O system deliberately, and tends to have an even balance of reads to writes, is pretty much a worst-case usage scenario for RAID-5. That doesn't mean that RAID-5 isn't useful, and it can perform okay under light to moderate I/O loads, but RAID-5 degrades badly under high write loads. > The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand > why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be > slow? FreeBSD supports Adaptec hardware very well, in general. Or is that vice versa? >> Um, that is a dual-channel card, and you're splitting drives onto both >> channels, right? > > Yes, it is dual channel, but the disks I'm testing are all connected to > the same channel. Bad layout? Highly non-optimal?, depending on how you wish to look at it. :-) -- -Chuck PS: You should also consider what happens if a drive fails; what happens to the performance then? If you've got hot-swappable hardware, try yanking a disk or two... From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 10:01:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD01C37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.acd.net (smtp.acd.net [207.179.102.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12AB43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taxman@ACD.NET) Received: from 207.179.99.168 ([207.179.99.168]) by smtp.acd.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:01:32 -0500 From: taxman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lj@2u2.nu, Oliver Fromme Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:05:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200303301131.h2UBVlmx006372@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200303301131.h2UBVlmx006372@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303301305.18027.taxman@acd.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2003 18:01:33.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[6608F810:01C2F6E6] Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:01:57 -0000 On Sunday 30 March 2003 06:31 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: > L. Jankok wrote: > > I have said this different time on the list. > > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. > > Thanks for the hint. > > Just to make sure: Are you saying that that particular bug > in the bge driver is fixed in RELENG_4_7? That would be No, he said use 4.7 Stable which is RELENG_4 > very odd, because I expect such bug fixes to go into -stable, > and only critical security fixes into RELENG_4_7. that's correct. > (BTW, searching the archive on the web didn't turn up anything. > Maybe I used the wrong keywords, or maybe the search function > fooled me; it doesn't seem very reliable.) I rarely get good results there either. I usually use google advanced search with the domain put in. Tim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 10:42:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F1137B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED93243F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2UIgqdK018204 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:42:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2UIgq9D018203; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:42:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:42:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200303301842.h2UIgq9D018203@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200303301305.18027.taxman@acd.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:42:59 -0000 taxman wrote: > On Sunday 30 March 2003 06:31 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > L. Jankok wrote: > > > I have said this different time on the list. > > > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. > > > > Thanks for the hint. > > > > Just to make sure: Are you saying that that particular bug > > in the bge driver is fixed in RELENG_4_7? That would be > > No, he said use 4.7 Stable which is RELENG_4 I'm sorry, that term always confuses me. I call RELENG_4 "4-stable", and RELENG_4_7 "4.7-stable" (because it's branched off at 4.7-RELEASE, while 4-stable moves away from 4.7-RELEASE). Anyway, the bge driver problem seems not to be fixed in 4-stable. People have reported to experience the same reboots in 4.8-RC. *sigh* I'll try 4.8-RELEASE anyway, maybe I'll be just lucky. Better than changing to Linux. :-) > > (BTW, searching the archive on the web didn't turn up anything. > > Maybe I used the wrong keywords, or maybe the search function > > fooled me; it doesn't seem very reliable.) > > I rarely get good results there either. I usually use google advanced search > with the domain put in. Good idea. Thanks again. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 10:57:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E369937B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.acd.net (smtp.acd.net [207.179.102.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FDA43F93 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taxman@ACD.NET) Received: from 207.179.99.168 ([207.179.99.168]) by smtp.acd.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:57:05 -0500 From: taxman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:00:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200303301842.h2UIgq9D018203@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200303301842.h2UIgq9D018203@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303301400.50409.taxman@acd.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2003 18:57:05.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[2825A400:01C2F6EE] Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:57:30 -0000 On Sunday 30 March 2003 01:42 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: > taxman wrote: > > On Sunday 30 March 2003 06:31 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > L. Jankok wrote: > > > > I have said this different time on the list. > > > > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. > > > > > > Thanks for the hint. > > > > > > Just to make sure: Are you saying that that particular bug > > > in the bge driver is fixed in RELENG_4_7? That would be > > > > No, he said use 4.7 Stable which is RELENG_4 > > I'm sorry, that term always confuses me. I call RELENG_4 > "4-stable", Thats good, and I preferr that, but if you look at the uname or dmesg of a 4-stable machine (before it switches to pre-release) it will say 4.7-Stable, and after 4.8 release it will say 4.8-Stable. I don't like it that way because of the confusion it creates, but tis the way it is. I guess it does let you know where in between releases the -stable code was taken from. > and RELENG_4_7 "4.7-stable" (because it's > branched off at 4.7-RELEASE, while 4-stable moves away > from 4.7-RELEASE). As noted above, that's incorrect. RELENG_4_7 is the Release branch. It doesn't have a name other than that. It's better to just call it 4.7-Release. > > Anyway, the bge driver problem seems not to be fixed in > 4-stable. People have reported to experience the same > reboots in 4.8-RC. *sigh* I'll try 4.8-RELEASE anyway, > maybe I'll be just lucky. Better than changing to Linux. Yeah, sorry I didn't have any input on that issue. Tim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 11:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3770C37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [66.111.41.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E6A43F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1EACE1; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0F6CD6 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:00:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030330105553.P46401-100000@moo.sysabend.org> X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: OpenMotif 2.2.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:00:48 -0000 The following was during a build of the port: checking whether sprintf returns void... Bus error (core dumped) yes >From the console: Mar 30 13:50:16 yakko /kernel: pid 24011 (conftest), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) Now call me silly, but sig10 was not void last time I looked. %uname -a FreeBSD yakko 4.8-RC FreeBSD 4.8-RC #0: Sat Mar 29 17:18:03 EST 2003 jamie@yakko:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/yakko i386 This system was cvsupped yesterday afternoon at about 3PM EST to RELENG_4. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 11:10:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB0037B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from leopard.wlwhosting.com (LanIP002.WingedLeopardWeb-gw.bil.oneeighty.com [216.187.187.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06543F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucas@wlwhosting.com) Received: from wlwhosting.com (localhost.wlwhosting.com [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.wlwhosting.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B9A62124F95 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from 207.230.138.240 (SquirrelMail authenticated user lucas) by mail.wlwhosting.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:10:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36685.207.230.138.240.1049051404.squirrel@mail.wlwhosting.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:10:04 -0700 (MST) From: "Lucas Reddinger" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: config> X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:10:07 -0000 To start off, I'm unsure what the stable tag is, but I'm assuming you're still in RC2. I recently grabbed RC2 (last night to be specific). I have tried it both from an FTP ISO that was burned a couple weeks ago, and by downloading the latest RC2 code via FTP directly. Installation went fine, but upon booting my system, I had to do some runtime config to get it booted (this is normal). However, when I got to the config prompt, the prompt would repeat and completely cover my whole screen, and it would keep echoing. I tried installing from FTP repeatedly last night, and the same thing would happen. Because of this, I could not get the system booted, and thus cannot provide you with any firther information. I did install RC1 successfully, though, and it all works great (and config prompt does not take over my screen.) It is just me, or did something break? Lucas Reddinger From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 11:11:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58637B404 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsl-217-155-122-94.zen.co.uk (dsl-217-155-122-94.zen.co.uk [217.155.122.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C727443FD7 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris.scott@uk.tiscali.com) Received: from viper.intranet ([192.168.0.241] helo=viper) by gateway.intranet with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ziD7-0002qo-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: <00c301c2f6f0$235ce670$f100a8c0@viper> From: "chris scott" To: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:11:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: racoon problems with -STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:11:20 -0000 Hi, I have just cvsuped to RELENG-4 yesterday and made world and installed = the new kernel. I also rebuild racoon as it ofen breaks after an upgrade of openssl. Howver racoon still keeps dying. Has anything changed in the = build of openssl between 4.7 and 4.8? These are the error messages I am getting 2003-03-30 20:00:50: DEBUG: oakley.c:2745:oakley_do_encrypt(): begin encryption. 2003-03-30 20:00:50: DEBUG: algorithm.c:382:alg_oakley_encdef(): encription(3des) 2003-03-30 20:00:50: DEBUG: oakley.c:2761:oakley_do_encrypt(): pad = length =3D 4 2003-03-30 20:00:50: DEBUG: plog.c:193:plogdump(): 0b000018 28c7a485 75ad76ad b39e3d1a c1111184 72fcc45b 0000001c 00000001 01106002 1ab8a05a 48d31cbd 3882106f 51b1f3f3 00000004 2003-03-30 20:00:50: DEBUG: algorithm.c:382:alg_oakley_encdef(): encription(3des) /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/sbin/racoon: Undefined symbol "des_key_sched" It looks like to me that something has changed in the crypto libraries = from 4-7-4.8. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 11:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF74337B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.nectar.cc (gw.nectar.cc [208.42.49.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C99E43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:19:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@celabo.org) Received: from madman.celabo.org (madman.celabo.org [10.0.1.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "madman.celabo.org", Issuer "celabo.org CA" (verified OK)) by gw.nectar.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE45B9A; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:19:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by madman.celabo.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 119B278C66; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:19:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:19:57 -0600 From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" To: chris scott Message-ID: <20030330191957.GA1965@madman.celabo.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Jacques A. Vidrine" , chris scott , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <00c301c2f6f0$235ce670$f100a8c0@viper> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00c301c2f6f0$235ce670$f100a8c0@viper> X-Url: http://www.celabo.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i-ja.1 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: racoon problems with -STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:20:03 -0000 On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 08:11:16PM +0100, chris scott wrote: > I have just cvsuped to RELENG-4 yesterday and made world and installed the > new kernel. I also rebuild racoon as it ofen breaks after an upgrade of > openssl. Howver racoon still keeps dying. > Has anything changed in the build > of openssl between 4.7 and 4.8? Yes. 4.7-RELEASE had OpenSSL 0.9.6; 4.8-RELEASE has OpenSSL 0.9.7. > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/sbin/racoon: Undefined symbol > "des_key_sched" You probably have racoon linked to the OpenSSL port (ports/security/openssl), which incorrectly set the shlib version number of libcrypto. Solution: Uninstall the OpenSSL port and rebuild racoon. Possible workarounds: See my previous post on this list. Cheers, -- Jacques A. Vidrine http://www.celabo.org/ NTT/Verio SME . FreeBSD UNIX . Heimdal Kerberos jvidrine@verio.net . nectar@FreeBSD.org . nectar@kth.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 11:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D7E37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11303.mail.yahoo.com (web11303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C74943F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oldgaijin@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030330192046.39886.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.66.244.50] by web11303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:20:46 CEST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:20:46 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: 4.8-RC, XFree86 4.3.0, and GDM X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:20:48 -0000 By playing with it a little more, I was able to get GDM to work. I deleted the /usr/X11R6/etc/gdm configuration files for gdm, then did another force portupgrade of gdm. After making the changes adviced in the message from the new portupgrade, it did finally work. ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 12:57:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BF637B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D9143F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:57:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP id MUA74016; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:57:32 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 2032A5D07; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:57:33 -0800 (PST) To: ian j hart In-Reply-To: Message from ian j hart <200303291940.55250.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:57:33 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20030330205733.2032A5D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: stable@freebsd.org cc: sos%sos@spider.deepcore.dk Subject: Re: Status of ATA tagging in Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:57:38 -0000 > From: ian j hart > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:40:55 +0000 > > On Saturday 29 March 2003 6:42 pm, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I have a P3 system running STABLE built on March 7. I installed a new > > IBM DTLA disk drive and was distressed at its slowness, so I tried > > turning on tagging to see if that would help. It seemed to, until... > > What do you mean by *new*? These drives were renamed some long time ago. > IIRC quality was a bit poor for early drives. > > > > > 3 AM when my periodic tasks started running. The system lost all disk > > access and logged lots of errors (a few of which I added to the end of > > this message). > > > > I rebooted the system this morning and the problem re-appeared when fsck > > ran. I then turned off tagged queuing and the system came up normally. > > > > Is there some problem with the DTLA drive or is this a driver problem? > > Yes, the drive could be DOA. However it's equally likely to be the controller > or the cable. Lots of M/Bs have suspect UDMA implementations. > > My IC35L080's are fine (GigaByte 7VTXE+) > > Take a look at this for starters (wrapped). > > http://ssddom01.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/\ > 85256AB8006A31E587256A7800700048/$file/dtla_com2.pdf Thanks for the poke to get my brain functioning, Ian. As you suspected, the DTLA drive is NOT a new drive. It was manufactured in 2000 and totally lost write capability yesterday. I have fallen back to my old IBM drive which is reporting excessive errors, but at least generally works and I will be returning this drive to our PC support guy who called it "new". I think th cable is OK as all other drives on the system are ATA100 and all are behaving properly. Thanks again! R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 13:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0568337B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E514043F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id D21EE5308; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:18:52 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Lukas Ertl From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:18:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030330181947.B23911@leelou.in.tern> (Lukas Ertl's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:21:15 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> <20030330163238.X23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330181947.B23911@leelou.in.tern> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:18:57 -0000 Lukas Ertl writes: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > Does the data sheet for your disk indicate that it can in fact write > > much faster than that? > Well, the HP/Compaq webpages are full of marketing speech wrt that, but > since these disks are U320 disks, they should perform better I think. Check the data sheet. I *strongly* doubt your disks have an internal transfer speed much higher than 65 MB/s. The external transfer speed has nothing to do with it, it only controls how fast you can fill the disk's cache and free the bus for other transactions to other devices. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 13:46:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CB537B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.acd.net (smtp.acd.net [207.179.102.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DC743F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taxman@ACD.NET) Received: from 207.179.99.168 ([207.179.99.168]) by smtp.acd.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:45:48 -0500 From: taxman To: "Lucas Reddinger" , Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:49:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <36685.207.230.138.240.1049051404.squirrel@mail.wlwhosting.com> In-Reply-To: <36685.207.230.138.240.1049051404.squirrel@mail.wlwhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303301649.33647.taxman@acd.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2003 21:45:49.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA2EED90:01C2F705] Subject: Re: Installation problems with config> X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:46:16 -0000 On Sunday 30 March 2003 02:10 pm, Lucas Reddinger wrote: > To start off, I'm unsure what the stable tag is, but I'm assuming you're > still in RC2. > > I recently grabbed RC2 (last night to be specific). I have tried it both > from an FTP ISO that was burned a couple weeks ago, and by downloading the > latest RC2 code via FTP directly. > > Installation went fine, but upon booting my system, I had to do some > runtime config to get it booted (this is normal). However, when I got to what do you normally have to configure? This could help in figuring out the issue. Do you then build a custom kernel to avoid doing that every time? What do you do change there? > the config prompt, the prompt would repeat and completely cover my whole > screen, and it would keep echoing. I tried installing from FTP repeatedly > last night, and the same thing would happen. Because of this, I could not > get the system booted, and thus cannot provide you with any firther > information. sure you can, if you got RC1 installed, can you show us the output of dmesg? if you don't have it installed anymore, then try installing 4.7-release and then copy down the output of dmesg from there > I did install RC1 successfully, though, and it all works great (and config > prompt does not take over my screen.) > > It is just me, or did something break? well if RC1 installed, RC2 dosn't and you didn't change anything else, then maybe something broke. Tim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FA237B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C20F43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4081151A6B; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:40:00 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:40:00 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lukas Ertl Message-ID: <20030330231000.GB1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:10:07 -0000 --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 13:00:56 +0200, Lukas Ertl wrote: > Hi, > > I currently have access to a bunch of disks and a fat machine so I took > the chance and performed some vinum benchmarks. You can find the results > at . > > I created several RAID 0 and RAID 5 volumes with different stripe sizes > and let bonnie++ run over the filesystems. As I keep saying, bonnie measures systems, not storage. Hint: ignore any test which uses over 10% CPU time. That leaves you with random seeks. > I was quite disappointed about the RAID 5 performance, and even the > RAID 0 performance wasn't too good (a plain single disk filesystem > was almost as fast as or even faster than a RAID 0 stripe, and I > wouldn't expect that). I would. You're measuring the system, not the subsystem. > RAID 5 performance was really a mess, some of the test took more > than 30min. to complete. It's interesting to note that some of the "CPU intensive" tests did very little with RAID-5. It would be interesting to find why, though the problem could be with the benchmark. To find out what's going on, you'd need: 1. Understand what bonnie++ is doing for these tests. I've measured with bonnie, and in the process discovered that only the random seeks test comes close to measuring the disk, but the sequential I/O looked nothing like that. 2. Use Vinum's built-in monitoring capabilities to see what's really getting as far as Vinum. Look at the info command. Apart from that, it would be interesting to see what rawio shows. That, at least, goes to the disk. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3lIIubykFB6QiMRAtlSAJ9GTjrejvz76ZdQPdR7QdBxSkR3cACfeTMt NQ1KtXlZj7sTB8s++SF2Cm4= =5btF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:11:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532D237B404 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB8B43F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6DA351A6B; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:04 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:04 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20030330231104.GC1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:11:09 -0000 --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 14:08:24 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Lukas Ertl writes: >> Anyone has an idea what's going wrong here? (Apart from me doing bullsh*t >> benchmarking :-) .) > > Just out of curiosity, try again with prime stripe sizes (31, 61, 127, > 257, 509) or at least odd ones (31, 63, 127, 255, 511). If you're going to do this kind of test, make sure it's a multiple of the UFS block size, but not a power of 2. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3mIIubykFB6QiMRAs2PAJ9yW7n7Z+37GCg9v2EUIg1XDicM8wCeJIiy p0pAp/4pq11fX+TXBCJuBXc= =IRcd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3D837B404 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C655743F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A1C51A6B; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:41 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20030330231141.GD1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Dag-Erling =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FISO-8859-1=3FQ=3FSm=3DF8rgrav?= cc: l.ertl@univie.ac.at cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:11:48 -0000 --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 16:30:17 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Anti writes: >> try benchmarking ccd as well to see how it compares? and try some big stripe >> sizes (4093, 8191, 12281)? > > I believe Greg showed in his USENIX paper on Vinum that large stripe > sizes aren't preferable to small ones. I may misremember though. You misremember. I said that large stripe sizes *are* preferable. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3mtIubykFB6QiMRAuAcAKCxNw2qdmGuN7zqKybfglwmYq6NvgCglNaf Smw01PEfsbjAqfLFqWRfnYM= =kNAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:13:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7EC37B405 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC7B43FB1 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D7B51A6F; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:43:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:43:32 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20030330231332.GE1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330081831.5c4e317e.fearow@attbi.com> <20030330163238.X23911@leelou.in.tern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:13:41 -0000 --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 18:10:07 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Lukas Ertl writes: >> I'm currently testing with prime stripe sizes, but it doesn't seem to >> help. I additionally added "options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO" to the kernel, and it >> has raised write performance in the single-disk case (although I'm not >> happy with that one either; I expected a disk on a U160 controller to pump >> out more than ~65MB/s). > > Does the data sheet for your disk indicate that it can in fact write > much faster than that? The speed at which data is actually written > to the media is much lower than the bus speed - the bus speed *has* > to be higher to accomodate multiple devices. You're touching on one of the real issues here. For optimum transfers, a plex needs large stripes. If you're only doing one transfer at a time (like bonnie does), you'll just pick on individual disks alternately, so the performance can't be much better than a single disk. Do a large number of simultaneous transfers and it will be a different story. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3ocIubykFB6QiMRAsa1AKCv2Y3zu2R0Jep4/738J9nQAM0ZqACfW5Mo GwTvsiI6KuaQaWPxIx2Jj2I= =PgcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:15:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E045037B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542CF43FA3 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD1251A6F; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:45:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:45:11 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lukas Ertl Message-ID: <20030330231511.GF1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:15:16 -0000 --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 18:00:01 +0200, Lukas Ertl wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> Lukas Ertl wrote: >> [ ... ] >> Also, what tasks you intend to use the RAID filesystem for are critical >> to consider, even if the answer is simply "undifferentiated >> general-purpose storage". In particular, RAID-5 write performance is >> going to be slow, even with RAID hardware support which offloads the >> parity calculations from the system CPU(s). RAID-5 is best suited for >> read-mostly or read-only volumes, where you value cost more than >> performance. > > Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is > _so_ bad. That's certainly something to investigate. > The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't > understand why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. What can it do? You're only writing one file at a time. > Is the ahc driver known to be slow? This is definitely not a driver performance issue. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3p/IubykFB6QiMRAlsGAKCfKN+iary86RtrBLQ9vnH4nhqxlwCaAsuv zOGzm9ELJCWnh+DliUmiqJw= =QKX1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:17:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C5D37B404 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F5A43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 346BC51A6F; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:47:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:47:41 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mattias Pantzare Message-ID: <20030330231741.GG1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L+ofChggJdETEG3Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:17:46 -0000 --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Alternate long/short. On Sunday, 30 March 2003 at 18:50:20 +0200, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > Lukas Ertl wrote: > >> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ ba= d. >> The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand >> why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be >> slow? > > To do a RAID 5 write you do this: > 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. > 2. Read the coresponding parity data. These two go in parallel. > 3. Write the new data. > 4. Write the new parity. So do these. > For RAID0 to be faster than a singel disk you have to do reads that > match or are larger than a stripe. Or have several processes > generate the IO. Several processes is the obvious one. The random seeks test does 3 processes (and you'll note that in this one, RAID-5 exceeds the performance of a single disk), but that's still not enough. rawio uses 8 processes by default, but you can change it. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. =20 For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+h3sVIubykFB6QiMRAquvAJ4uH3qKnMGwYZj17kVI6zkPMbGXqACgg4BQ 75db7faOifzEWykOk3ehIWI= =az3m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 15:48:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8C937B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from aurora.peterson.ath.cx (12-254-245-65.client.attbi.com [12.254.245.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F9F43FAF for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:48:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlp@peterson.ath.cx) Received: from peterson.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.peterson.ath.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B8DC5303 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:49:23 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.2 03/21/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Chuck Swiger of "Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:01:17 EST." <3E8722DD.5050703@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:49:23 -0700 From: "Jan L. Peterson" Message-Id: <20030330234923.44B8DC5303@aurora.peterson.ath.cx> Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:48:49 -0000 Just to shed some real-world light on this vinum benchmark discussion. At a previous employer we had a few HP systems with hardware RAID boards on them (AMI MegaRaid compatible boards, but some HP part number... I can't remember exactly which). On one system, which was in support of our web site (it stored thousands of small files containing html text that would be referenced in pretty much random order), we configured an HP RS12 (JBOD with 12 disks in it) on the AMI controller as a RAID 5 volume. Performance was excellent (this disk supported mostly reads... once a collection of files had been uploaded, it was not modified). Much better then with the files on local disk, even. On another system, where these files were created before being uploaded, performance with RAID 5 was abysmal. We ended up yanking the AMI controller and using the on-board Symbios controller and using vinum as RAID 0+1 (stripe each group of six disks, mirror one group to the other group, each group on a separate physical controller -- the Sym board had dual channels). With this setup, performance was much better. So the upshot is, if you're doing a lot of writes, don't use RAID 5. If you're doing a lot of reads, and you have hardware RAID 5 available, it's probably a win. -jan- -- Jan L. Peterson If your company is looking for a SAGE level IV, let me know. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 18:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F03937B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21503.mail.yahoo.com (web21503.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1FEC43FBD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmhlldr@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20030331020339.94987.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.44.215.110] by web21503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:03:39 BST Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:03:39 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?RMH?= To: stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Status of ATA tagging in Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: alasir@supereva.it List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:03:42 -0000 Not all IBM DTLA drives are bad; actually, they are not bad at all (because all bad are already dead :) DTLA-5 drives (5400rpm) do not support tagged queueing, unlike DTLA-7 (7200rpm). They offer good performance considering spindle speed and 512K of cache (in fact, 380K; firmware takes the rest). About "new drive" and "its slowness", what did you expect from 2-year old drive featuring 20Gb per plate? --- Regards, Rhett Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > "Kevin Oberman" writes: > > I have a P3 system running STABLE built on March 7. I installed a new > > IBM DTLA disk drive and was distressed at its slowness, so I tried > > turning on tagging to see if that would help. It seemed to, until... > > The DTLA series is known bad. Take it back to the dealer and harass > him into replacing it with a DTTA or newer. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@ofug.org > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 19:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35FE37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ion.gank.org (ion.gank.org [198.78.66.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B7F43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig@meoqu.gank.org) Received: from aldaris2.auir.gank.org (dsl081-113-221.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.113.221]) by ion.gank.org (GankMail) with ESMTP id 8AD422C28B; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:42:23 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Boston To: Gavin Atkinson Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:42:19 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200303271730.54415.jd@jackdan.net> <1048881403.76044.100.camel@owen1492.uf.corelab.com> <20030329004322.E51050-100000@ury.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030329004322.E51050-100000@ury.york.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200303302142.19368.craig@meoqu.gank.org> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:42:27 -0000 > It's not just you - i'm seeing similar. The emails show up fine in pine, > but in Evolution or MS Outlook, i get exactly what you describe. I first > noticed it on Wednesday. > > Gavin Yes, after reading several other messages on the list it does indeed appear that it's an MUA problem. The messages view fine in KMail from home and I also looked at the spool file itself on my mail server and the message body really is there. One thing that confused me is that Evolution's "view-source" feature showed a multipart-mime encoded message but with empty parts. Apparently that "feature" doesn't show you the actual raw message it pulled down from the IMAP server, but runs it through its MIME filter first and reconstructs the source from that... Go figure. Craig From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 20:12:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FF837B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from host40.promoneymail.com (host37.promoneymail.com [65.82.111.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E726843FDD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlmxtreme@bizoppalliance.garyshawkey.com) From: "Mlmxtreme" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:29:21 -0500 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: unsubid=1.95.78.21373 X-AntiAbuse: reporter=stable@FreeBSD.org Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030331041232.E726843FDD@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Your mlmXtreme Position is Active! 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[1.gif] References 1. http://www.mlmxtreme.com/join.php?md5=eb22ca2d768dabc0aba7af7d082b0179&gid=95 2. http://www.mlmxtreme.com/join.php?md5=eb22ca2d768dabc0aba7af7d082b0179&gid=95 3. http://mailsubmitter.promoneymail.com/cgi/unsubscribe.cgi?uid=1&gid=95&aid=78&id=21373&email=stable@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 21:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44537B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from wattres.Watt.COM (wattres.watt.com [66.93.133.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B630C43F3F for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@Watt.COM) Received: (from steve@localhost) by wattres.Watt.COM (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h2V5A1r1020794; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve) From: steve@Watt.COM (Steve Watt) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Organization: Watt Consultants, San Jose, CA, USA Message-ID: References: <20030329184236.71A3C69@ptavv.es.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:49:08 GMT To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of ATA tagging in Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:10:04 -0000 In article <20030329184236.71A3C69@ptavv.es.net>, Kevin Oberman wrote: >I have a P3 system running STABLE built on March 7. I installed a new >IBM DTLA disk drive and was distressed at its slowness, so I tried >turning on tagging to see if that would help. It seemed to, until... > >3 AM when my periodic tasks started running. The system lost all disk >access and logged lots of errors (a few of which I added to the end of >this message). This combination worked beautifully until the ATA MFC just after 4.5, and it has since been declared that those IBM drives don't do tagging correctly. Since I've got a semi-production server with the DTLAs in it, I gave up on tagging, just using UDMA, it's good enough. -- Steve Watt KD6GGD PP-ASEL-IA ICBM: 121W 56' 57.8" / 37N 20' 14.9" Internet: steve @ Watt.COM Whois: SW32 Free time? There's no such thing. It just comes in varying prices... From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 30 21:39:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B7337B401 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from chapel-hill.tfd.com (hnllhi1-ar3-4-3-111-082.hnllhi1.dsl-verizon.net [4.3.111.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AA443F75 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kenthauser@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chapel-hill.tfd.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2V5bkbK055815 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:38:52 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from kenthauser@mindspring.com) Message-ID: <3E87D429.2090005@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:37:45 -1000 From: Kent Hauser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030329 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010601020702090201080108" Subject: BOOTMFS image too big X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:39:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010601020702090201080108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried building a "release" ISO image today, but it failed because it couldn't build the boot floppies. Tail end of the build process (with an `ls' and `du' thown in). Is this known? Kent --------------010601020702090201080108 Content-Type: text/plain; name="error.out" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="error.out" linking BOOTMFS text data bss dec hex filename 2650861 209180 210260 3070301 2ed95d BOOTMFS -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for BOOTMFS completed on Mon Mar 31 05:23:27 GMT 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BOOTMFS; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=i386 MACHINE=i386 OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac make KERNEL=BOOTMFS reinstall install -m 555 -o root -g wheel -fschg BOOTMFS /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS mv /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS /R/stage/image.kern/kernel Setting up /boot directory for kern floppy dload=0x200000 dsize=0x25000 isize=0x25000 entry=0x200000 nsize=0x11ae9 /R/stage/image.kern/kernel: 53.6% -- replaced with /R/stage/image.kern/kernel.gz sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 80000 fd1440 Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 6. Warning: 1216 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rvnn0c: 2880 sectors in 1 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors 1.4MB in 1 cyl groups (6 c/g, 12.00MB/g, 32 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 32 cpio: write error: No space left on device *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 ..... chapel-hill# ls -l R/stage/image.kern total 1330 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 30 19:23 boot -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1339861 Mar 30 19:23 kernel.gz chapel-hill# du R/stage/image.kern 88 R/stage/image.kern/boot 1418 R/stage/image.kern --------------010601020702090201080108-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 02:19:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7459437B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from aragorn.injep.fr (aragorn.injep.fr [213.56.87.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4519C43F85 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xavier+ml@injep.fr) Received: from injep.fr (valinor.injep.fr [213.56.87.31]) by aragorn.injep.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F31C3E334 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:19:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [213.56.87.69] (213.56.87.69) by injep.fr with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.3) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:19:52 +0200 To: stable@freebsd.org From: xavier+ml@injep.fr (Xavier HUMBERT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:20:12 +0200 Message-ID: <1fsopoc.wqdfee1adi8hsM%xavier+ml@injep.fr> Organization: INJEP User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS X version 10.2.4) Subject: I thought it was fixed in pflogsumm X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:19:59 -0000 Las mail I read about this problem, author answer it was fixed. Unfortunately, I still have my reports garbled with lines : Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1433, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1434, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1443, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1447, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1451, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1454, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1314, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1316, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1322, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1328, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. Use of uninitialized value at /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm line 1462, <> chunk 8978. My config : $ uname -a FreeBSD orthanc.injep.fr 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Thu Nov 7 18:29:25 CET 2002 root@orthanc.injep.fr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW i386 $ pkg_version -vs pflogsumm pflogsumm-1.0.10,1 = up-to-date with port $ perl -e 'printf "%f\n", $];' 5.005030 pflogsumm is invoked via : /usr/local/bin/pflogsumm -i -h 20 -u 20 --problems_first \ --verbose_msg_detail --verp_mung=2 -d yesterday Thanks, -- Xavier http://www.votenowar.org/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 04:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C554A37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rusunix.org (rusunix.org [195.162.58.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608C743FE0 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aquatique@rusunix.org) Received: by rusunix.org (CommuniGay Pro, from userid 1111) id EF47D1CB9E2; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:00:25 +0700 (OMSST) From: "Evgueni V. Gavrilov" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3E87D429.2090005@mindspring.com> X-Newsgroups: freebsd.stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.16-20021229 ("Spiders") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-PRERELEASE (i386)) Message-Id: <20030331120025.EF47D1CB9E2@rusunix.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:00:25 +0700 (OMSST) Subject: Re: BOOTMFS image too big X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:00:33 -0000 In article <3E87D429.2090005@mindspring.com> of freebsd-stable you wrote: KH> I tried building a "release" ISO image today, but it failed because it KH> couldn't build the boot floppies. KH> Tail end of the build process (with an `ls' and `du' thown in). KH> Is this known? looks like it was built with -O2/-march/-mcpu flags -- http://aquatique.rusunix.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 04:33:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A397F37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (sbk-gw.sibnet.ru [217.70.96.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D12743F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (localhost.sibnet.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2VCYBuI072452 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:34:11 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from localhost (stranger@localhost)h2VCYBHE072449 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:34:11 +0700 (NOVST) X-Authentication-Warning: sbk-gw.sibnet.ru: stranger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:34:10 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Maxim M. Kazachek" X-X-Sender: stranger@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030331193235.E72360@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:33:55 -0000 When approx. subj will be released and 4.8-STABLE branch will be formed? Sincerely, Maxim M. Kazachek mailto:stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru mailto:stranger@fpm.ami.nstu.ru From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 05:58:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F030837B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.2u2.nu (ns1.2u2.nu [62.59.31.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B100243FAF for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucio.jankok@2u2.nu) Received: from mail.2u2.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4F862D for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (atlantis.local.net [10.23.31.10]) by mail.2u2.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4263D5D1 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3483 invoked by uid 109); 31 Mar 2003 13:58:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:58:27 +0200 From: "L. Jankok" To: taxman Message-ID: <20030331135827.GA3473@atlantis.local.net> References: <200303301842.h2UIgq9D018203@lurza.secnetix.de> <200303301400.50409.taxman@acd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303301400.50409.taxman@acd.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: SunOS atlantis 5.9 sparc X-Sender: lj@2u2.nu X-message-flag: Outlook : A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too. cc: Oliver Fromme cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lj@2u2.nu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:58:36 -0000 to avoid confusion see the below FreeBSD proxy.mynet.not 4.7-20030218-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-20030218-STABLE #0: Mon Feb 24 15:17:06 CET 2003 root@proxy-2.mynet.not:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYNET-SMP-PROXY i386 bge0: mem 0xf7ef0000-0xf7efffff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci1 works like a charm pumping approximately 232 GB a month hope this helps On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:00:50PM -0500, taxman wrote: :On Sunday 30 March 2003 01:42 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: :> taxman wrote: :> > On Sunday 30 March 2003 06:31 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: :> > > L. Jankok wrote: :> > > > I have said this different time on the list. :> > > > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. :> > > :> > > Thanks for the hint. :> > > :> > > Just to make sure: Are you saying that that particular bug :> > > in the bge driver is fixed in RELENG_4_7? That would be :> > :> > No, he said use 4.7 Stable which is RELENG_4 :> :> I'm sorry, that term always confuses me. I call RELENG_4 :> "4-stable", : :Thats good, and I preferr that, but if you look at the uname or dmesg of a :4-stable machine (before it switches to pre-release) it will say 4.7-Stable, :and after 4.8 release it will say 4.8-Stable. I don't like it that way :because of the confusion it creates, but tis the way it is. I guess it does :let you know where in between releases the -stable code was taken from. : :> and RELENG_4_7 "4.7-stable" (because it's :> branched off at 4.7-RELEASE, while 4-stable moves away :> from 4.7-RELEASE). : :As noted above, that's incorrect. RELENG_4_7 is the Release branch. It :doesn't have a name other than that. It's better to just call it :4.7-Release. : :> :> Anyway, the bge driver problem seems not to be fixed in :> 4-stable. People have reported to experience the same :> reboots in 4.8-RC. *sigh* I'll try 4.8-RELEASE anyway, :> maybe I'll be just lucky. Better than changing to Linux. : :Yeah, sorry I didn't have any input on that issue. : :Tim :_______________________________________________ :freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list :http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable :To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 06:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E23A37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446E643F75 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2VEDHdK054494; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:13:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2VEDHWK054493; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:13:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:13:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200303311413.h2VEDHWK054493@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lj@2u2.nu In-Reply-To: <20030331135827.GA3473@atlantis.local.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lj@2u2.nu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:13:26 -0000 L. Jankok wrote: > FreeBSD proxy.mynet.not 4.7-20030218-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-20030218-STABLE #0: Mon > Feb 24 15:17:06 CET 2003 root@proxy-2.mynet.not:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYNET-S > MP-PROXY i386 I have now installed 4.8-RELEASE on my machine. Lets see how long it will survive. :-) > bge0: mem 0xf7ef0000-0xf7 > efffff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci1 Hmm, mine is a bit different: bge0: mem 0xf7fb0000-0xf7fb ffff irq 5 at device 5.0 on pci1 > works like a charm pumping approximately 232 GB a month Thanks, that's very encouraging ... however ... My machine has a network traffic of 540 Gbyte a *DAY*. That's about 16 Tbyte a month, if my /usr/bin/bc isn't failing. :-) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on your monitor or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on a web site, and you must change them very often. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 06:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6137B404 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (smtpproxy2.mitre.org [192.80.55.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C537B43F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:36:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2VEa2OC027262; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2VEa0k2018741; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm112324-2k.mitre.org (128.29.3.65) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 1722415; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:35:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:35:54 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mattias Pantzare References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> In-Reply-To: <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:36:06 -0000 Mattias Pantzare wrote: > Lukas Ertl wrote: > >> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ >> bad. >> The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand >> why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be >> slow? > > > To do a RAID 5 write you do this: > 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. > 2. Read the coresponding parity data. > 3. Write the new data. > 4. Write the new parity. Hmm, how about the case where you're writing new data? You shouldn't have to do steps 1 & 2, and yet the RAID5 write performance is still abysmial. I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 08:33:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3CD37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from service.sh.cvut.cz (service.sh.cvut.cz [147.32.127.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D1E43FB1 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from buki@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4241B84B1 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:32:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from service.sh.cvut.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (service [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02619-03 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:32:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dak2060.sh.cvut.cz (dak2060.sh.cvut.cz [147.32.127.59]) by service.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFBE1B84A9 for ; 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charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am begining to think there is something wrong with portutils (notice the difference between pkg_version and portversion): buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#portversion -v | grep -v =3D XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has 4.3.0_1) cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port has 16.1g) ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs updating (port has 7.05_4) portupgrade-20030308_2 > succeeds port (port has 20030228) buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#pkg_version -v | grep -v =3D XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has 4.3.0_1) cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port has 16.1g) fontconfig-2.1_6 < needs updating (port has 2.1_7) ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs updating (port has 7.05_5) lftp-2.6.4 < needs updating (port has 2.6.5) mutt-devel-1.5.3 < needs updating (port has 1.5.4) net-snmp-5.0.6 < needs updating (port has 5.0.8) w3m-0.4 < needs updating (port has 0.4.1) buki@dak2060:/home/buki>uname -a FreeBSD dak2060.xx.xx.cz 5.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p7 #4: Mon Mar = 31 10:56:15 CEST 2003 buki@dak2060.xx.xx.cz:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAK206= 0 i386 ports cvsup-ed today an hour ago also, I am getting some 'Checksum mismatch' errors, namely with w3m, lftp.= =20 Buki --=20 PGP public key: http://dev.null.cz/buki.asc /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML & Outlook Mail / \ http://www.thebackrow.net --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iG2gPzhIkpLLm08RAignAKC7gCAUAvih5szmBPhZGN2s7cnIBQCggOei f3ov5MwiyaEhe080KAWgCbQ= =sxgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 08:42:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D945437B404 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3161843F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from topaz-out (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by rutger.owt.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2VGfxp19787; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:59 -0800 From: Kent Stewart To: Buki , stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:41:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> In-Reply-To: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303310841.59224.kstewart@owt.com> Subject: Re: portupgrade weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:42:10 -0000 On Monday 31 March 2003 08:32 am, Buki wrote: > Hi, > > I am begining to think there is something wrong with portutils > (notice the difference between pkg_version and portversion): > > buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#portversion -v | grep -v = > XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has 4.3.0_1) > cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port has 16.1g) > ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs updating (port has 7.05_4) > portupgrade-20030308_2 > succeeds port (port has 20030228) > > buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#pkg_version -v | grep -v = > XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has > 4.3.0_1) cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port > has 16.1g) fontconfig-2.1_6 < needs updating > (port has 2.1_7) ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs > updating (port has 7.05_5) lftp-2.6.4 < > needs updating (port has 2.6.5) mutt-devel-1.5.3 < > needs updating (port has 1.5.4) net-snmp-5.0.6 > < needs updating (port has 5.0.8) w3m-0.4 > < needs updating (port has 0.4.1) > > buki@dak2060:/home/buki>uname -a > FreeBSD dak2060.xx.xx.cz 5.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p7 #4: > Mon Mar 31 10:56:15 CEST 2003 > buki@dak2060.xx.xx.cz:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAK2060 i386 > > ports cvsup-ed today an hour ago > Did you "portsdb -uU" to upgrade your INDEX files? This is the kind of thing that a mismatched INDEX and INDEX.dv would produce. Kent > also, I am getting some 'Checksum mismatch' errors, namely with w3m, > lftp. > > Buki -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 09:12:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C7437B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D143943FA3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C4309CD61; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:12:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A9CD19; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:12:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:12:01 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Buki In-Reply-To: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20030331110745.E5028@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:12:05 -0000 On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Buki wrote: > I am begining to think there is something wrong with portutils > (notice the difference between pkg_version and portversion): > > buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#portversion -v | grep -v = > XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has 4.3.0_1) > cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port has 16.1g) > ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs updating (port has 7.05_4) > portupgrade-20030308_2 > succeeds port (port has 20030228) > > buki@dak2060:/usr/ports#pkg_version -v | grep -v = > XFree86-libraries-4.3.0 < needs updating (port has 4.3.0_1) > cvsup-without-gui-16.1f < needs updating (port has 16.1g) > fontconfig-2.1_6 < needs updating (port has 2.1_7) > ghostscript-gnu-7.05_3 < needs updating (port has 7.05_5) > lftp-2.6.4 < needs updating (port has 2.6.5) > mutt-devel-1.5.3 < needs updating (port has 1.5.4) > net-snmp-5.0.6 < needs updating (port has 5.0.8) > w3m-0.4 < needs updating (port has 0.4.1) The difference is that portversion uses ports/INDEX to find "current" information about the ports to be compared to the installed packages, but pkg_version instead looks directly at the ports in question, bypassing INDEX. pkg_version is slower, but always correct. Do a 'make index' in /usr/ports to make an up-to-date INDEX and then compare them again. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 09:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF6237B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from anubis.slipstreaminteractive.com (anubis.slipstreaminteractive.com [213.52.163.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48043FA3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewt@slipstreaminteractive.com) Received: from Elrond (biliskner.demon.co.uk [193.237.132.215]) by anubis.slipstreaminteractive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B8A4E4 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:44:01 +0100 (BST) From: "Andrew Tulloch" To: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:43:15 +0100 Message-ID: <005b01c2f7ad$02250a60$0100a8c0@Elrond> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200303311413.h2VEDHWK054493@lurza.secnetix.de> Subject: RE: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:43:23 -0000 I've got DL360G3's and G2's G3 running 4.8-RC (first 'release' with support for NIC): bge0: mem 0xf7ef0000-0xf7efffff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci1 No issues so far, actually went in production at 2:30pm BST=20 G2 running 4.7-REL-p7: bge0: mem 0xf7fb0000-0xf7fbffff irq = 5 at device 5.0 on pci1 No issues, used to send mail to ~700,000 people on an infrequent basis. = No not spam ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme > Sent: 31 March 2003 15:13 > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; lj@2u2.nu > Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 >=20 >=20 > L. Jankok wrote: > > FreeBSD proxy.mynet.not 4.7-20030218-STABLE FreeBSD=20 > 4.7-20030218-STABLE #0: Mon=20 > > Feb 24 15:17:06 CET 2003 =20 > root@proxy-2.mynet.not:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYNET-S > > MP-PROXY i386 >=20 > I have now installed 4.8-RELEASE on my machine. Lets see > how long it will survive. :-) >=20 > > bge0: 0x1002> mem 0xf7ef0000-0xf7 > efffff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci1 >=20 > Hmm, mine is a bit different: > bge0: =20 > mem 0xf7fb0000-0xf7fb ffff irq 5 at device 5.0 on pci1 > =20 > > works like a charm pumping approximately 232 GB a month=20 >=20 > Thanks, that's very encouraging ... however ... > My machine has a network traffic of 540 Gbyte a *DAY*. > That's about 16 Tbyte a month, if my /usr/bin/bc isn't > failing. :-) >=20 > Regards > Oliver >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538=20 > M=FCnchen Any opinions expressed in this message may be=20 > personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the=20 > opinions of secnetix in any way. >=20 > Passwords are like underwear. 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From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 12:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D292237B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from secnap2.secnap.com (corp.secnap.net [208.237.120.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0271043F85 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Scheidell@secnap.com) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:47:11 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 Thread-Index: AcL3nMsRXArHzE1QS96F1G51RArr/Q== From: To: Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5703X causing reboot? 4.8-RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:50:37 -0000 freebsd -stable IS 4.8 RC2. ""L. Jankok"" wrote in message = news:<20030329123009.GA698@atlantis.local.net>... > Oliver, >=20 > I have said this different time on the list. > Use FreeBSD 4.7 Stable. >=20 > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:20:07PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > :Jeff Behl wrote: > : > FreeBSD blade7-bc2.sjc 4.8-RC2 FreeBSD 4.8-RC2 #1: Wed Mar 26 = 20:17:42 > : > GMT 2003 > : >=20 > : > i've had two reboots in the last 30 mins on a fairly heavly loaded = web > : > server (apache). the following immediately precedes both reboots = (no > : > more messages after this): > : > [...] > : > any ideas or help? these are the first blades we've put into = production > : > (IBM bladecenter)...which isn't boding well at all for using the > : > remaining 14 blades. the machines are only pumping out around = 9Mb/s. > : > :I'm sorry, but I have to say that we seem to be suffering > :from the very same problem. :-( > : > :We have a bunch of Compaq DL360G2 (about 20 of them) at a > :customer of ours, each of them has two Broadcom gigabit > :interfaces (bge0 and bge1). There are spontaneous reboots > :when a machine is under high network load. It seems to > :happen under 4.7-Release as well. > : > :This is a pretty critical issue for us, because we cannot > :easily replace those machines, nor can we plug in other > :gigabit cards (those are 1U servers and we need the two > :on-board interfaces). The consequence would be that the > :OS might have to be changed, since we haven't experienced > :any reboots under Linux on a test machine so far. :-( > : > :Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm willing to assist in > :whatever way necessary to resolve this issue. > : > :Regards > : Oliver > : > :--=20 > :Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 = M=FCnchen > :Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author > :and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. > : > :I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though = she's > :too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry > :that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say "Daddy, = where > :were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?" > : -- Mike Godwin > :_______________________________________________ > :freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > :http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > :To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > --- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 13:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAB437B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.liwing.de (mail.liwing.de [213.70.188.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0069543F3F for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rehsack@liwing.de) Received: (qmail 50330 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 21:10:38 -0000 Received: from stingray.liwing.de (HELO liwing.de) ([213.70.188.164]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.liwing.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Mar 2003 21:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:10:37 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Organization: LiWing IT-Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Andresen References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Lukas Ertl Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:11:07 -0000 Jason Andresen wrote: > Mattias Pantzare wrote: > >> Lukas Ertl wrote: >> >>> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ >>> bad. >>> The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't >>> understand >>> why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known >>> to be >>> slow? >> >> >> >> To do a RAID 5 write you do this: >> 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. >> 2. Read the coresponding parity data. >> 3. Write the new data. >> 4. Write the new parity. > > > Hmm, how about the case where you're writing new data? You shouldn't > have to do steps 1 & 2, and yet the RAID5 write performance is still > abysmial. Remember for that case that a block covered by the raid-system may be larger than 512 bytes. I use 32K for my fileserver, so to skip reading old data I had to write 32K blocks at once. Of course, the system software (either vinum or the controller software) caches a little bit, so if you write enough small data you may get a 32K block (or whatever you use), full. > I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. > > Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. > So long, Jens From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 13:41:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DA737B404 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (smtpproxy2.mitre.org [192.80.55.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44BE43F85 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2VLfRLS000444 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2VLfPk2017954 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm112324-2k.mitre.org (128.29.3.65) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 1734895; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:41:21 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable List References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> In-Reply-To: <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:41:49 -0000 Jens Rehsack wrote: > Jason Andresen wrote: > >> Mattias Pantzare wrote: >> >>> Lukas Ertl wrote: >>> >>>> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is >>>> _so_ bad. >>>> The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't >>>> understand >>>> why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known >>>> to be >>>> slow? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To do a RAID 5 write you do this: >>> 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. >>> 2. Read the coresponding parity data. >>> 3. Write the new data. >>> 4. Write the new parity. >> >> >> >> Hmm, how about the case where you're writing new data? You shouldn't >> have to do steps 1 & 2, and yet the RAID5 write performance is still >> abysmial. > > > Remember for that case that a block covered by the raid-system may be > larger than 512 bytes. I use 32K for my fileserver, so to skip reading > old data I had to write 32K blocks at once. > > Of course, the system software (either vinum or the controller software) > caches a little bit, so if you write enough small data you may get a 32K > block (or whatever you use), full. > >> I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. >> >> Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. >> Well, I'm writing 200MB files most of the time, so the stripe size is not an issue. I'm just wondering why the reads are *20* times faster than the writes. I think the read performance was CPU limited in this case. While some of this is probably an oddity with bonnie (Bonnie always reports my writes to be about half as fast as the reads, but dd thinks otherwise: (Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) Write speed: 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) Read speed: 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) But on the RAID5: Write speed: 81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) Read speed: 81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 13:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F6C37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ion.gank.org (ion.gank.org [198.78.66.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F8243F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig@meoqu.gank.org) Received: from owen1492.uf.corelab.com (unknown [206.50.138.222]) by ion.gank.org (GankMail) with ESMTP id 34C9D2C28B; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:55:46 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Boston To: Jason Andresen In-Reply-To: <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1049147744.98637.57.camel@owen1492.uf.corelab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 31 Mar 2003 15:55:44 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:55:50 -0000 On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:41, Jason Andresen wrote: > (Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any > caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) > Write speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) > Read speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) > > But on the RAID5: > Write speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) > Read speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) Disclaimer: IANAVE (I am not a Vinum Expert) What block size are you using with dd? If your bs= is less than your RAID stripe size, it seems like it would end up doing unnecessary read-modify-write cycles... Craig From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 14:33:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D91237B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FE043FBF for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FC966CFA; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07E22E27; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:33:50 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Xavier HUMBERT Message-ID: <20030331223350.GA47565@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <1fsopoc.wqdfee1adi8hsM%xavier+ml@injep.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1fsopoc.wqdfee1adi8hsM%xavier+ml@injep.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I thought it was fixed in pflogsumm X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:33:53 -0000 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:20:12PM +0200, Xavier HUMBERT wrote: > Las mail I read about this problem, author answer it was fixed. > Unfortunately, I still have my reports garbled with lines : This does not appear to be a FreeBSD problem..talk to the developers of the port. Kris --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iMJOWry0BWjoQKURApMQAJ4xFc3De21ifjiO72TleatWEpN4HgCfUDiA wQ1jUqGe8GjALU9A84Zr5+o= =cCfe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 14:40:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9135A37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EC843F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:40:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-204-101.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.204.101] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1907ww-0003Oh-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:40:18 -0800 Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5506C529B; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Harding To: stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030331224018.5506C529B@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:40:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Old libraries and includes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:40:27 -0000 I have had some problems caused by old includes and libraries when building ports, and it's not very easy to de-kerberize a system. There used to be an option to clear out the includes when doing a source upgrade, this does not seem to be around any more. /usr/includes/des.h seems to be a likely cuprit... I tried moving /usr/includes and /usr/libs out of the way, but the install doesn't work properly. Any body got any other options that work? Could we add back the code in the makefile that scrubbed the includes directory before an upgrade? Right now I am reduced to using 'find' to find old includes and libraries, and that's not perfect (doesn't work with perl, for example). - Mike H. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 16:49:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E47637B413 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F8943F93 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:49:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B54451A68; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:19:53 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:19:53 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jason Andresen Message-ID: <20030401004953.GE34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WBsA/oQW3eTA3LlM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:49:58 -0000 --WBsA/oQW3eTA3LlM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Long/short syndrome, gratuitous empty lines. On Monday, 31 March 2003 at 16:41:21 -0500, Jason Andresen wrote: > Jens Rehsack wrote: >> Jason Andresen wrote: >>> Mattias Pantzare wrote: >>>> Lukas Ertl wrote: >>>>> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is >>>>> _so_ bad. The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather >>>>> bored. And I don't understand why RAID 0 doesn't give a big >>>>> boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be slow? >>>> >>>> To do a RAID 5 write you do this: >>>> 1. Read the old data on the blocks that you will write to. >>>> 2. Read the coresponding parity data. >>>> 3. Write the new data. >>>> 4. Write the new parity. >>> >>> Hmm, how about the case where you're writing new data? You >>> shouldn't have to do steps 1 & 2, and yet the RAID5 write >>> performance is still abysmial. It's possible to optimize away (1, 2) some of the time. You can never do it all the time. >> Remember for that case that a block covered by the raid-system may >> be larger than 512 bytes. I use 32K for my fileserver, so to skip >> reading old data I had to write 32K blocks at once. 32 kB is far too small. I recommend about 512 kB. >> Of course, the system software (either vinum or the controller >> software) caches a little bit, so if you write enough small data >> you may get a 32K block (or whatever you use), full. Well, you need a whole stripe over all subdisks. On a 7 drive setup, this would be 3 MB. FreeBSD can't transfer that much at once. The alternative is to reduce the stripe size so that the band is no larger than the maximum transfer size (currently 128 kB). With a 7 disk RAID-5 array, this would mean about 24 kB. If you do predominantly sequential transfers, for example streaming video or backups, you could then get away without the first two steps for a large proportion of the transfers. The problem is that such small stripes also cause request fragmentation: a 16 kB transfer (current UFS block size) will go over two different subdisks 60% of the time. This will require 6 transfers, not 4. >>> I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. >>> >>> Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. > > Well, I'm writing 200MB files most of the time, so the stripe size is > not an issue. I'm just wondering why the reads are *20* times faster > than the writes. They're not. I don't know where you get that read figure from, but no disk can transfer that fast, and you don't appear to be doing multiple transfers in parallel. > I think the read performance was CPU limited in this case. I think you were reading from cache. > While some of this is probably an oddity with bonnie (Bonnie always > reports my writes to be about half as fast as the reads, but dd > thinks otherwise: > > (Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any > caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) > Write speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) > Read speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) > > But on the RAID5: > Write speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) > Read speed: > 81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) Yes, this is very close to the 4:1 ratio that I would expect. If you're looking for write performance, don't use RAID-5. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. =20 For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers --WBsA/oQW3eTA3LlM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iOIxIubykFB6QiMRArhUAJ9Yp/QfEsRsLy8wS5n1iInCRGOHyACcCStI 3fchHN2Tur86+IjDAj6vqE0= =0TuN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WBsA/oQW3eTA3LlM-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 19:01:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF05037B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from k9.kaibren.com (dsl092-237-027.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.237.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB0A43F3F for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbrenner@kaibren.com) Received: from cpimb-cme56.kaibren.com (cpimb-cme56.kaibren.com [169.254.12.29]) by k9.kaibren.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3131Z6r035730; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:01:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbrenner@kaibren.com) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030331214429.02677a90@gw.kaibren.com> X-Sender: mbrenner@gw.kaibren.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:01:25 -0500 To: Jason Andresen , FreeBSD Stable List From: "Michael C. Brenner" In-Reply-To: <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> References: <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:01:39 -0000 At 04:41 PM 3/31/2003, Jason Andresen wrote: >>>>>Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ bad. >>>>>The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't understand >>>>>why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to be >>>>>slow? >>>> >>>>(Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any >>>>caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) >Write speed: >81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) >Read speed: >81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) > >But on the RAID5: >Write speed: >81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) >Read speed: >81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) Writing to a RAID5 stripe set requires that all disks in the array successfully report completion before the RAID5 controller's buffer can be released back to the cache. (Applies to either software or hardware raid.) If you are doing a large block write (like dd) you can easily fill the cache on most controllers. Once the cache is full, the controller slows each write to the LONGEST completion time of each spindle in the array. ECC calculation becomes part of the latency also. In a 5 drive system (other than one where the cache is larger than the largest file being written as in a large EMC array) the writes are always about 4-5 times longer than the reads. Tuning stripes and blocking factors can speed up a specific transfer but RAID5 has always been slow to write large data and best for read mostly data. Read operations benefit from RAID5 or mirrors. Now the shortest completion time of the minimal drive set is the gating event. The first set of drives to deliver the data block ends the operation. This makes a 2 to 1 difference into a 4 to one difference. MB From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 19:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A0137B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A343FCB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7347451A67; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:50:38 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:50:38 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Michael C. Brenner" Message-ID: <20030401032038.GO34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <5.2.0.9.2.20030331214429.02677a90@gw.kaibren.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qSHHer9gQ0dtepKr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030331214429.02677a90@gw.kaibren.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:20:42 -0000 --qSHHer9gQ0dtepKr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 31 March 2003 at 22:01:25 -0500, Michael C. Brenner wrote: > At 04:41 PM 3/31/2003, Jason Andresen wrote: >>>>>> Ok. But I still don't understand why RAID 5 write performance is _so_ >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> The CPU is not the bottle neck, it's rather bored. And I don't >>>>>> understand >>>>>> why RAID 0 doesn't give a big boost at all. Is the ahc driver known to >>>>>> be >>>>>> slow? >>>>> >>>>> (Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any >>>>> caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old >>>>> one) >> Write speed: >> 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) >> Read speed: >> 81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) >> >> But on the RAID5: >> Write speed: >> 81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) >> Read speed: >> 81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) > > Writing to a RAID5 stripe set requires that all disks in the array > successfully report completion before the RAID5 controller's buffer can be > released back to the cache. No, you don't need to involve every disk, only the disk(s) to which the data will be written, and the parity disk. > (Applies to either software or hardware raid.) If you are doing a > large block write (like dd) you can easily fill the cache on most > controllers. You mean drive, right? Most controllers don't have cache. > Once the cache is full, the controller slows each write to the > LONGEST completion time of each spindle in the array. Yes, that's correct. > ECC calculation becomes part of the latency also. Well, yes, but most of the time it's negligible. On modern machines, we're talking in the order of few microseconds. > In a 5 drive system (other than one where the cache is larger than > the largest file being written as in a large EMC array) the writes > are always about 4-5 times longer than the reads. This is pretty much independent of the number of drives: assuming your stripes aren't too small, you'll have two reads, two writes. Yes, they can go in parallel, but while they're doing it, they're blocking other potential transfers. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --qSHHer9gQ0dtepKr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iQWGIubykFB6QiMRAlsHAJ9rV6mbz62QVBPxt8hiTc0hQzm3RgCfX19+ ZMssAmlchJjaCfJ4ytBb8Ls= =oxsz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qSHHer9gQ0dtepKr-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 20:36:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5BB37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from as2.dm.egate.net (shell1.dm.egate.net [216.235.15.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B22B43FBF for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from buff@pobox.com) Received: from as2.dm.egate.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by as2.dm.egate.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h314aR4E001784 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (buff@localhost)h314aRcr001781 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:36:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: as2.dm.egate.net: buff owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:36:27 -0500 (EST) From: William Denton X-X-Sender: buff@as2.dm.egate.net To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030317101549.GA88425@exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr> Message-ID: <20030325225959.V21909-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Building my own release X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 04:36:30 -0000 On 17 March 2003, Igor Pokrovsky wrote: : Don't forget, that you'll need whole CVS repository in ${CVSROOT}, : which must contain src, ports, www. Then make will checkout : your tar from repository (in your case RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE). : In fact building of release takes a lot of time and space. : If you want to create ISOs as well, perhaps you'll have to : specify MAKE_ISOS=yes as additional def for make release. : I suggest you to read /usr/src/release/Makefile. Thanks to you and Peter Jeremy, I got things working by loading the vn module into the kernel, using the sample cvs-supfile to get the CVS repository into /home/ncvs, making /disk2/src and /disk2/release, and doing this: cd /disk2 cvs -d /home/ncvs/ -R co -rRELENG_4 -P src cd src make buildworld cd release make release CHROOTDIR=/disk2/release \ BUILDNAME=4.8-PRERELEASE-LOCAL CVSROOT=/home/ncvs \ RELEASETAG=RELENG_4 NOPORTS=YES MAKE_ISOS=YES NODOC=YES (The final make took about five hours on my PIII-450 and used up a couple of gigs of disk.) This made /disk2/release/R/cdrom/ which contains a disc1/ and disc2/ directory, and a disc2 and miniinst ISO. No disc1 ISO, though, which I think is strange. Why wouldn't I have it? I captured all the output in a log, and there's no sign there that it ever tried to make a disc1 ISO. It does the floppies, says it's "Setting up CDROM distribution area" which shows several lines of "0 blocks," sets up /boot, sets up the FTP area, then starts in on disc2. Bill -- William Denton : Toronto, Canada : http://www.miskatonic.org/ : Caveat lector. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 21:46:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AA337B401; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A94E43FB1; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:46:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3151D21027045; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:31:13 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Fred Clift Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:31:12 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030317092212.H30487-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <1047950709.66127.20.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <1047950709.66127.20.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304011431.12734.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: ports@freebsd.org cc: stable@freebsd.org cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Subject: Re: HEADSUP: XFree86 4.3.0 update X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 05:46:33 -0000 On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:55, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 02:54, Fred Clift wrote: > This is interesting because I had a crash with Mozilla which only > stopped when I built WITHOUT_XFT. > > I have updated fontconfig, freetype etc.. with no luck :( Not sure I replied to this but.. The solution was that I had a font directory X knew about but not fontconfig :( (I have the fonts from my Windows install in the X font path) I put the missing font path in fontconfig's config file and it worked fine. Not a great failure mode however :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 22:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE96237B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from topaz.ad1810.com (topaz.ad1810.com [212.204.230.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A3543FBD for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from k7.mavetju (topaz.ad1810.com [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.ad1810.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E5D2B9D9; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 654636A712B; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:08:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:08:29 +1000 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Buki Message-ID: <20030401060829.GA809@k7.mavetju> References: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030331163232.GA6705@dak2060.sh.cvut.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:08:36 -0000 On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 06:32:32PM +0200, Buki wrote: > buki@dak2060:/home/buki>uname -a > FreeBSD dak2060.xx.xx.cz 5.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p7 #4: Mon Mar 31 10:56:15 CEST 2003 buki@dak2060.xx.xx.cz:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAK2060 i386 Removing the full domain is not really usefull if it's recording in the mail-headers: Received: (from buki@localhost) by dak2060.sh.cvut.cz (8.12.6p2/8.12.6/Submit) id h2VGWWcB013815 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:32:32 +0200 (CEST) Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/weblog.php From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 22:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADAA37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB4E43F85 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <2003040106130905300gnbeme>; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:13:09 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h316D8s0012639; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h316D8tt012638; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:13:08 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: William Denton Message-ID: <20030401061308.GA12603@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030317101549.GA88425@exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr> <20030325225959.V21909-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030325225959.V21909-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building my own release X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:13:10 -0000 --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If memory serves me right, William Denton wrote: > (The final make took about five hours on my PIII-450 and used up a couple > of gigs of disk.) This made /disk2/release/R/cdrom/ which contains a > disc1/ and disc2/ directory, and a disc2 and miniinst ISO. No disc1 ISO, > though, which I think is strange. Why wouldn't I have it? I captured all > the output in a log, and there's no sign there that it ever tried to make > a disc1 ISO. It does the floppies, says it's "Setting up CDROM > distribution area" which shows several lines of "0 blocks," sets up /boot, > sets up the FTP area, then starts in on disc2. There's no problem here...that's all the process was supposed to give you. *-miniinst.iso contains the contents of disc1/ and that's all. *-disc1.iso on the FTP mirrors is the contents of disc1/ plus packages. For releases and snapshots, this is made by the release engineer(s) by dropping a packages/ directory into disc1/ and re-running mkisofs(1). Slightly confusing, I know! Bruce. --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iS3z2MoxcVugUsMRAn5cAKDnsYuCE+NPVkrqQok1B0By/JXWrQCgiytI tjq6A8/P+lIklplgA1XiTbw= =8/h0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 22:18:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E481937B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3CA43F75 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003040106180800300i7hooe>; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:18:08 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h316I7s0012673; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h316I7m8012670; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:06 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Mike Harding Message-ID: <20030401061806.GB12603@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030331224018.5506C529B@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DBIVS5p969aUjpLe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030331224018.5506C529B@netcom1.netcom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old libraries and includes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:18:10 -0000 --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Mike Harding wrote: >=20 > I have had some problems caused by old includes and libraries when > building ports, and it's not very easy to de-kerberize a system. > There used to be an option to clear out the includes when doing a > source upgrade, this does not seem to be around any more. >=20 > /usr/includes/des.h seems to be a likely cuprit... >=20 > I tried moving /usr/includes and /usr/libs out of the way, but the ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ You mean /usr/include and /usr/lib. > install doesn't work properly. =20 Could you be a little more specific than "doesn't work properly"? :-p I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that you can move /usr/include out of the way before an installworld (between the "reboot to single user mode" step and "make installworld" step). Don't know about /usr/lib. Bruce. --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iS8e2MoxcVugUsMRAkNjAJ9JGbb7MY7D3u1mreXJMjUGs394PQCgr/K0 KTuR4YJF7jgtgSJxoHeGKoM= =DXhc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 01:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A5A37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from house.arach.net.au (house.arach.net.au [203.30.44.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DF4A43FCB for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sdwyer@arach.net.au) Received: (qmail 16378 invoked by uid 502); 1 Apr 2003 09:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arach.net.au) (203.15.140.157) by 0 with SMTP for ; 1 Apr 2003 09:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3E8959C5.30003@arach.net.au> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:20:05 +0800 From: Shaun Dwyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20030111 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, paul@pboehmer.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Xfree86 4.3.0 Mutlihead now works after a small patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:08:27 -0000 Hi all, I was looking around for a fix to the problem discovered a short while ago with respect to Xfree86 and multihead, and found something... From the changelog from the cvs tree for X(http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes.html) i noticed a fix had been done for the int10 problem. A patch is available here: http://bugs.xfree86.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6 Steps I took to resolve this issue: extracted the Xfree86-4-Servers port, slightly modified the diff so it would patch (the paths to the files) patched it, installed, configured X as it was before with the multiple heads, restarted X, and it worked! My system has an AGP nvidia GF2 card as well as a PCI Matrox Mistique card. Any ideas as to how long until we'll see this patch incorporated into the Xfree86 port, or are we just waiting for 4.3.1 to be released? --Shaun From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 03:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE0E37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.atlantis.dp.ua (smtp.atlantis.dp.ua [193.108.46.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2767243F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmitry@atlantis.dp.ua) Received: from smtp.atlantis.dp.ua (smtp.atlantis.dp.ua [193.108.46.231]) by smtp.atlantis.dp.ua (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h31BUF2C058298 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:30:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from dmitry@atlantis.dp.ua) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:30:15 +0300 (EEST) From: Dmitry Pryanishnikov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:30:24 -0000 Hello! I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org, but release notes don't mention status of Security Advisory 03:07 (last buffer overflow in sendmail). IMHO this should be fixed ASAP (I believe bug itself has been fixed in -RELEASE, isn't it?). Sincerely, Dmitry -- Atlantis ISP, System Administrator e-mail: dmitry@atlantis.dp.ua nic-hdl: LYNX-RIPE From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 03:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582C437B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEF343FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:35:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.comESMTP <20030401113555.DDOF20605.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk>; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:35:55 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030401123320.01dfc008@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:35:51 +0100 To: Dmitry Pryanishnikov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:35:58 -0000 At 14:30 01/04/2003 +0300, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org, but >release notes don't mention status of Security Advisory 03:07 >(last buffer overflow in sendmail). IMHO this should be fixed ASAP >(I believe bug itself has been fixed in -RELEASE, isn't it?). Yes, the bug was fixed; the release notes are out of date. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 03:39:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C94537B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h76n3fls20o913.telia.com [213.67.148.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0E5343FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:39:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: (qmail 34809 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Apr 2003 11:39:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:39:52 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Dmitry Pryanishnikov Message-ID: <20030401113952.GA34796@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Dmitry Pryanishnikov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:39:55 -0000 On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 02:30:15PM +0300, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > > Hello! > > I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org, but > release notes don't mention status of Security Advisory 03:07 > (last buffer overflow in sendmail). IMHO this should be fixed ASAP > (I believe bug itself has been fixed in -RELEASE, isn't it?). The advisory itself says that the problem is fixed in 4.8-RELEASE, so anybody who reads SA-03:07 should already know that 4.8-RELEASE is OK. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 05:09:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDD037B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.danet.lt (adsl-212-59-9-151.takas.lt [212.59.9.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1FE43F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pranas.baliuka@danet.lt) Received: from DANLTWS07 ([134.101.234.4]) by proxy.danet.lt (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with SMTP id h31D8eB7000725 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:08:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from pranas.baliuka@danet.lt) From: "Pranas Baliuka" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:09:49 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:09:31 -0000 ----------------------------------------- Pranas Baliuka M.Sc. CS Danet Baltic UAB System Analyst Vytenio str. 50-404 Phone +370 52159426 2009 Vilnius, Fax +370 52353050 Lithuania mailto:pranas.baliuka@danet.lt http://www.danet.com ----------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 06:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE7D37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [192.160.51.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B5543F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31EJxJS000427; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31EJvCg025291; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm112324-2k.mitre.org (128.29.3.65) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 1741189; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3E89A006.7020301@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:19:50 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Boston References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> <1049147744.98637.57.camel@owen1492.uf.corelab.com> In-Reply-To: <1049147744.98637.57.camel@owen1492.uf.corelab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:20:02 -0000 Craig Boston wrote: > On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:41, Jason Andresen wrote: > >>(Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any >>caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) >>Write speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) >>Read speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) >> >>But on the RAID5: >>Write speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) >>Read speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) > > > Disclaimer: IANAVE (I am not a Vinum Expert) > > What block size are you using with dd? If your bs= is less than your > RAID stripe size, it seems like it would end up doing unnecessary > read-modify-write cycles... Commands used: dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=8192 count=1000 and dd if=random_unused_file_larger_than_80MB of=/dev/null bs=8192 \ count=10000 My stripe size is 384k. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 06:23:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA7D37B401; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [192.160.51.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494C943FAF; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31ENaJS001253; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31ENUCg026074; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm112324-2k.mitre.org (128.29.3.65) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 1741337; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:23:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3E89A0DE.7040505@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:23:26 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> <20030401004953.GE34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20030401004953.GE34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:23:40 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>>>I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. >>>> >>>>Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. >> >>Well, I'm writing 200MB files most of the time, so the stripe size is >>not an issue. I'm just wondering why the reads are *20* times faster >>than the writes. > > > They're not. I don't know where you get that read figure from, but no > disk can transfer that fast, and you don't appear to be doing multiple > transfers in parallel. That was what bonnie++ reported. >>I think the read performance was CPU limited in this case. > > > I think you were reading from cache. Quite possible. I'm not sure how bonnie handles that. >>While some of this is probably an oddity with bonnie (Bonnie always >>reports my writes to be about half as fast as the reads, but dd >>thinks otherwise: >> >>(Both of these were on previously untouched files to prevent any >>caching, and the "write" test is on a new file, not rewriting an old one) >>Write speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 3.761307 secs (21779663 bytes/sec) >>Read speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 3.488978 secs (23479655 bytes/sec) >> >>But on the RAID5: >>Write speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 17.651300 secs (4641018 bytes/sec) >>Read speed: >>81920000 bytes transferred in 4.304083 secs (19033090 bytes/sec) > > > Yes, this is very close to the 4:1 ratio that I would expect. If > you're looking for write performance, don't use RAID-5. So FreeBSD never optimizes out those first two operations? I was thinking writing fresh large files to a RAID5 array would only be half as fast as reading. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 06:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE8837B404 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [192.160.51.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B639843F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31EQDJS001911; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31EQBCg026650; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm112324-2k.mitre.org (128.29.3.65) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 1741469; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3E89A17C.6030003@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:26:04 -0500 From: Jason Andresen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael C. Brenner" References: <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <5.2.0.9.2.20030331214429.02677a90@gw.kaibren.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030331214429.02677a90@gw.kaibren.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:26:15 -0000 Michael C. Brenner wrote: > Writing to a RAID5 stripe set requires that all disks in the array > successfully report completion before the RAID5 controller's buffer can > be released back to the cache. (Applies to either software or hardware > raid.) If you are doing a large block write (like dd) you can easily > fill the cache on most controllers. Once the cache is full, the > controller slows each write to the LONGEST completion time of each > spindle in the array. ECC calculation becomes part of the latency also. > In a 5 drive system (other than one where the cache is larger than the > largest file being written as in a large EMC array) the writes are > always about 4-5 times longer than the reads. Tuning stripes and > blocking factors can speed up a specific transfer but RAID5 has always > been slow to write large data and best for read mostly data. Ahh, that makes sesnse. > Read operations benefit from RAID5 or mirrors. Now the shortest > completion time of the minimal drive set is the gating event. The first > set of drives to deliver the data block ends the operation. This makes a > 2 to 1 difference into a 4 to one difference. Thanks for clearing this up. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 06:29:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041F837B401; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6F243F93; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at (pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.2.177]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h31ETQWb306424; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:29:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:29:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-Reply-To: <20030330231000.GB1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20030401162820.E19644@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330231000.GB1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx1 4261; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:29:42 -0000 On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Apart from that, it would be interesting to see what rawio shows. > That, at least, goes to the disk. I've done some rawio benchmarks with different process counts (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 and 64). The results are at . regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 07:32:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E7437B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3CA43FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net.strauser.com (kirk@pooh.honeypot.net [10.0.5.128]) by kanga.honeypot.net (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h31FWiPk004561 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:32:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Kirk Strauser Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:32:41 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> (Dmitry Pryanishnikov's message of "Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:30:15 +0300 (EEST)") Message-ID: <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:32:47 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2003-04-01T11:30:15Z, Dmitry Pryanishnikov write= s: > I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org... No, it's not. Until 4.8 is officially announced, what you see is only some files that *may* turn out to be 4.8-RELEASE, but could just as easily be wiped and replaced with something different. Put another way: no matter what you see, 4.8-RELEASE does not currently exi= st. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+ibEc5sRg+Y0CpvERAr5QAJwIpQjBpcOMU9BVGp3OuHuDY+1hQQCeKufK FKkHY/9OgMuLTrMClhJoC4c= =1jUb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 08:06:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EF537B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mintel.co.uk (rocky.mintel.com [213.206.147.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2359743FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.com) Received: from mintel.com ([10.0.30.90]) by rocky.mintel.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h31G6P8W059548; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:06:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.com) Message-ID: <3E89B901.5050102@mintel.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:06:25 +0100 From: Jason Thomson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Strauser References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> In-Reply-To: <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:06:28 -0000 I can vouch for that - I have just been bitten by the fact that the mini iso image marked as 4.8-RELEASE does NOT appear to contain 4.8-RELEASE.... It is marked up as 4.8-RELEASE, but loads of the files are old versions. To reiterate: DO NOT DOWNLOAD 4.8-RELEASE until it is announced. Less haste more speed, I guess. The only reason I tried to do it, though was because the snapshots on snapshots.jp.freebsd.org stop on the 29th, and I wanted the sendmail updates. Kirk Strauser wrote: >At 2003-04-01T11:30:15Z, Dmitry Pryanishnikov writes: > > > >> I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org... >> >> > >No, it's not. Until 4.8 is officially announced, what you see is only some >files that *may* turn out to be 4.8-RELEASE, but could just as easily be >wiped and replaced with something different. > >Put another way: no matter what you see, 4.8-RELEASE does not currently exist. > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 09:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C84137B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smak.uberduper.com (12-213-188-143.client.attbi.com [12.213.188.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A561643F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james@uberduper.com) Received: from 172.30.10.245 (unknown [208.33.24.5]) by smak.uberduper.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2037D125 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: James Satterfield To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:29:25 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304010929.25384.james@uberduper.com> Subject: ssh v2 in 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:29:32 -0000 I just did a src upgrade from a recent 4.8-RC to 4.8-RELEASE and I'm now having trouble with ssh v2. I cannot ssh to any host from this machine. I can ssh from another host to this machine using v2 successfully. When trying to ssh to anywhere from this machine I get. [jsatter@bishop:~] ssh -v localhost OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030201, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to localhost [::1] port 22. socket: Protocol not supported debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/jsatter/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/jsatter/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/jsatter/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030201 debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030201 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030201 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 126/256 debug1: bits set: 1649/3191 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'localhost' is known and matches the DSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/jsatter/.ssh/known_hosts:8 debug1: bits set: 1599/3191 debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature incorrect key_verify failed for server_host_key debug1: Calling cleanup 0x804c158(0x0) I've regenerated all the rsa and dsa keys here and I get no change. ssh -1 works correctly. James. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 10:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B8937B401; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC61E43FAF; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-201-213.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.201.213] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 190QQe-0007cp-00; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:24:12 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6C9529B; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Harding To: "Bruce A. Mah" In-Reply-To: <20030401061806.GB12603@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030331224018.5506C529B@netcom1.netcom.com> <20030401061806.GB12603@intruder.bmah.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1049221451.592.9.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 01 Apr 2003 10:24:11 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old libraries and includes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:24:13 -0000 I think that some ports failed to compile because of the presence of des.h, and also some ports checked for kereberos by looking for libraries, and found them, but then failed to compile because the headers weren't present. I can't reproduce this right now because I have scrubbed out the lib and include directories. I'll forward the group if I can reproduce the problem - one issue might have been with Postfix + TLS. - Mike H. On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 22:18, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Mike Harding wrote: > > > > I have had some problems caused by old includes and libraries when > > building ports, and it's not very easy to de-kerberize a system. > > There used to be an option to clear out the includes when doing a > > source upgrade, this does not seem to be around any more. > > > > /usr/includes/des.h seems to be a likely cuprit... > > > > I tried moving /usr/includes and /usr/libs out of the way, but the > ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > You mean /usr/include and /usr/lib. > > > install doesn't work properly. > > Could you be a little more specific than "doesn't work properly"? :-p > > I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that you can move /usr/include out > of the way before an installworld (between the "reboot to single user > mode" step and "make installworld" step). Don't know about /usr/lib. > > Bruce. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 11:20:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331EB37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD7343F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030401192048053005mcide>; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:20:48 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JKms0017279; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JKkFU017278; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:20:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:20:46 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Colin Percival Message-ID: <20030401192046.GA17224@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <5.0.2.1.1.20030401123320.01dfc008@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20030401123320.01dfc008@popserver.sfu.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: Dmitry Pryanishnikov cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:20:50 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Colin Percival wrote: > At 14:30 01/04/2003 +0300, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > > I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org, but > >release notes don't mention status of Security Advisory 03:07 > >(last buffer overflow in sendmail). IMHO this should be fixed ASAP > >(I believe bug itself has been fixed in -RELEASE, isn't it?). >=20 > Yes, the bug was fixed; the release notes are out of date. To make a long story short, the release notes were already finalized and you'll see the sendmail update mentioned in the post-release errata. As has been pointed out by at least one other person, 4.8-RELEASE isn't officially available until a PGP-signed announcement from a member of the release engineering team gets sent to the freebsd-announce@ mailing list. Bruce. --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ieaN2MoxcVugUsMRAtTrAJ9eDBeAEm7ClNQ3pEC4lv5eAGzOyACePDjC xFfivUCRGBpQdkI9qgN0kk4= =JEoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 11:54:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A13337B445 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillian.santala.org (ip212-226-173-33.adsl.kpnqwest.fi [212.226.173.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6328043F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:54:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@iki.fi) Received: (qmail 4970 invoked by uid 11053); 1 Apr 2003 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 19:54:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:54:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Jarkko Santala X-X-Sender: jake@trillian.santala.org To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Message-ID: <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:54:49 -0000 On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-04-01T11:30:15Z, Dmitry Pryanishnikov writes: > > > I see 4.8-RELEASE is already available on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org... > > No, it's not. Until 4.8 is officially announced, what you see is only some > files that *may* turn out to be 4.8-RELEASE, but could just as easily be > wiped and replaced with something different. IMHO _nothing_ should be called X.Y-RELEASE unless it is truly X.Y-RELEASE. This goes for any files on ftp and any cvs repositories. Once you tag something as X.Y-RELEASE or once you make any files public with that name on it, it becomes that release. If something comes up after the tag has been made in cvs (which, of course, should be done before any distributions are created and any files are available anywhere), it has to go into p1 or X.Y.Z. This is exactly why Release Candidates exist. Ideally the release should be exactly the same as the last RC. And since we're talking about non-commercial software here, there should be no pressure in releasing anything until it really is ready. These are, naturally, just my own opinions based on my limited experiences in doing release engineering elsewhere and should not be considered as absolute truth. :) All said applies only to open source projects where cvs repositories and files are publicly available, in commercial environments moving a release tag may be acceptable for commercial reasons, which of course do not exist in non-commercial projects. -jake ps. this email was written on a box that has been running 4.8-RELEASE for over a day. I'll be a very sad puppy if someone moves the tag now. :'( -- Jarkko Santala http://www.iki.fi/~jake/ System Administrator 2001:670:83:f08::/64 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 12:33:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF88837B444 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26D443F85 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net.strauser.com (kirk@pooh.honeypot.net [10.0.5.128]) by kanga.honeypot.net (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h31KWww3016008 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:32:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Kirk Strauser Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:32:53 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> (Jarkko Santala's message of "Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:54:44 +0300 (EEST)") Message-ID: <87u1diufey.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:33:06 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2003-04-01T19:54:44Z, Jarkko Santala writes: > IMHO _nothing_ should be called X.Y-RELEASE unless it is truly > X.Y-RELEASE. This goes for any files on ftp and any cvs repositories. Once > you tag something as X.Y-RELEASE or once you make any files public with > that name on it, it becomes that release. I understand the point you want to make, but there are some subtle issues. Foremost is that there are many mirrors of the main FTP server. The release team will upload the final product and let the mirrors fetch a copy before announcing it officially so that it's available on all of the mirrors the moment the message is sent. There's no great way around that unless you can convince all of your mirrors to download `giant-unnamed-tarball.tar.gz' and then simultaneously rename it to `freebsd-4.8-release.tar.gz' when the release team hits the "Send" button. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+ifd65sRg+Y0CpvERAthKAJ9GPRL+TEvPAzrOLwpw0dooD9NHPACgiamd 2QTaJtli/LoWYo4bXms3quc= =50+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 13:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687DC37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from conn.mc.mpls.visi.com (conn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D3143F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from veldy.net (veldy-host33.dsl.visi.com [209.98.200.33]) by conn.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA9C828B; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:20:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from VELDYT (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30A552E8; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:20:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00eb01c2f894$7d5efaa0$0a05010a@VELDYT> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: , "Kirk Strauser" References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua><87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net><20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> <87u1diufey.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:20:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 21:20:45 -0000 Such software could be written ... :) Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Strauser" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 At 2003-04-01T19:54:44Z, Jarkko Santala writes: > IMHO _nothing_ should be called X.Y-RELEASE unless it is truly > X.Y-RELEASE. This goes for any files on ftp and any cvs repositories. Once > you tag something as X.Y-RELEASE or once you make any files public with > that name on it, it becomes that release. I understand the point you want to make, but there are some subtle issues. Foremost is that there are many mirrors of the main FTP server. The release team will upload the final product and let the mirrors fetch a copy before announcing it officially so that it's available on all of the mirrors the moment the message is sent. There's no great way around that unless you can convince all of your mirrors to download `giant-unnamed-tarball.tar.gz' and then simultaneously rename it to `freebsd-4.8-release.tar.gz' when the release team hits the "Send" button. -- Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 14:21:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8702C37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45E643F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47B66CFA; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BB8612AA; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jarkko Santala Message-ID: <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:21:18 -0000 --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:54:44PM +0300, Jarkko Santala wrote: > IMHO _nothing_ should be called X.Y-RELEASE unless it is truly > X.Y-RELEASE. This goes for any files on ftp and any cvs repositories. Once > you tag something as X.Y-RELEASE or once you make any files public with > that name on it, it becomes that release. A consequence of having an open source repository is that people have access during every stage of the release engineering process. Are you suggesting that all source access be locked out from the time the tag is laid down until it's been tested and passes final QA? Needing to adjust tags is a normal and expected part of making a FreeBSD release..without it the releases would be much poorer quality. > ps. this email was written on a box that has been running 4.8-RELEASE for > over a day. I'll be a very sad puppy if someone moves the tag now. :'( But perhaps next time you'd learn to wait until the release is actually ready :-) Kris --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ihDcWry0BWjoQKURAo3oAJ9SM130Akpi1lBArHyg3+Udn6q5ygCeNEk/ ldT8Qq7iMpErpzq8rKDkfBw= =3rwR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 16:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DBB37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D59343FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 89F85A818; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:06:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878285453 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:06:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:06:04 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402094903.V30160-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: make release for 4.8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:06:05 -0000 Hi, My make release is failing with an error about docs. ===> Cleaning for docproj-1.10 ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 cd: can't cd to /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. Thats a long way into make release. Doe anyone have any ideas? The line I'm using (which has been working on the RELENG_4_7 branch) is: ${MAKE} release CHROOTDIR=${CHROOTDIR} BUILDNAME=${RELEASE} \ CVSROOT=${CVSROOT} RELEASETAG=${CVSBRANCH} \ ALLLANG=no \ WORLD_FLAGS=-j4 KERNEL_FLAGS=-j4 || err aborting ${RELEASE} is set by a run of newvers.sh. The host machine is running a build from RELENG_4_7. Thanks, Andrew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 16:09:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A211A37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B060243FBD for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 35BFD10BF94; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:09:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:09:14 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Andrew Message-ID: <20030402000912.GC379@nitro.dk> References: <20030402094903.V30160-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402094903.V30160-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make release for 4.8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:09:16 -0000 --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.04.02 10:06:04 +1000, Andrew wrote: > Hi, >=20 > My make release is failing with an error about docs. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for docproj-1.10 > =3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO_8859-1 > cd: can't cd to /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 Do you actually have the doc tree in /usr/doc ? --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iioo8kocFXgPTRwRAkZwAKCyx8Q/hr0rI2SYEKdd3tWLyI6k6wCff7EW doZSeZ+zXpL0sWurjUvKGr8= =Gkk6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 16:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC2937B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B66C43FA3 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBAE651A68; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:48:26 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:48:26 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lukas Ertl Message-ID: <20030402001826.GU34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330231000.GB1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030401162820.E19644@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Avw2VvEbzfULB0h1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030401162820.E19644@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:18:31 -0000 --Avw2VvEbzfULB0h1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 April 2003 at 16:29:26 +0200, Lukas Ertl wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> Apart from that, it would be interesting to see what rawio shows. >> That, at least, goes to the disk. > > I've done some rawio benchmarks with different process counts (1, 2, 4, 8, > 16, 32 and 64). The results are at > . How does this compare to the raw disk? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --Avw2VvEbzfULB0h1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+iixSIubykFB6QiMRAkbYAKCr0RoNGkwyW+z5JNaO4C4JIRoGPQCeNjxV 2ji56ZU41T2FfmZ7oQpAI4U= =l0M6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Avw2VvEbzfULB0h1-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 17:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF76C37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B94A43FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2C3851A68; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:13:26 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:13:26 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jason Andresen Message-ID: <20030402014326.GJ34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E870CC7.5000204@mac.com> <20030330175605.E23911@leelou.in.tern> <3E87204C.5060304@ludd.luth.se> <3E88524A.1060600@mitre.org> <3E88AECD.10607@liwing.de> <3E88B601.90802@mitre.org> <20030401004953.GE34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3E89A0DE.7040505@mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bYB/dvygrOI2NuBf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E89A0DE.7040505@mitre.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 01:43:31 -0000 --bYB/dvygrOI2NuBf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 April 2003 at 9:23:26 -0500, Jason Andresen wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >>>>> I get 4565 K/sec on modern ATA/133 HDDs. >>>>> >>>>> Reading is much better at 91908 K/sec at least. >>> >>> Well, I'm writing 200MB files most of the time, so the stripe size is >>> not an issue. I'm just wondering why the reads are *20* times faster >>> than the writes. >> >> >> They're not. I don't know where you get that read figure from, but no >> disk can transfer that fast, and you don't appear to be doing multiple >> transfers in parallel. > > That was what bonnie++ reported. As I've said elsewhere, bonnie++ is not an appropriate benchmark here. >>> I think the read performance was CPU limited in this case. >> >> >> I think you were reading from cache. > > Quite possible. I'm not sure how bonnie handles that. It reads from cache. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --bYB/dvygrOI2NuBf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ikA+IubykFB6QiMRAl8nAJ0dsFHLcn8HA9qmShh0TBZe1IPoQgCeMIYJ /h+M6MKLfWNYcZEech9zTeM= =UmVH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bYB/dvygrOI2NuBf-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 18:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470B337B409 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1902043FA3 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h322CiKu076022; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h322CiTH007936; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h322Cif9007935; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:12:44 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: Jarkko Santala Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:12:46 -0000 On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 02:21:16PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:54:44PM +0300, Jarkko Santala wrote: > > > IMHO _nothing_ should be called X.Y-RELEASE unless it is truly > > X.Y-RELEASE. This goes for any files on ftp and any cvs repositories. Once > > you tag something as X.Y-RELEASE or once you make any files public with > > that name on it, it becomes that release. > > A consequence of having an open source repository is that people have > access during every stage of the release engineering process. Are you > suggesting that all source access be locked out from the time the tag > is laid down until it's been tested and passes final QA? Needing to > adjust tags is a normal and expected part of making a FreeBSD > release..without it the releases would be much poorer quality. I think this does not automaticly follow. If you use the -RC label for identifying the release when it's in a state of final QA and not to identify the release when it's in -ALPHA or -BETA state, then you avoid using the -RELEASE label when it's still possible that tags slide. Of course the downside is that once you built and validated the -RC bits, and are ready to call it "The Release", you have to put down the actual -RELEASE label (on top of the -RC label) and rebuild the release from scratch so that the actual release will include the sources that have the -RELEASE tag. This generally causes a couple of days delay, but will assure that if you put down a -RELEASE tag, it will be the release. It's a naming issue, not a process issue. I don't think our naming is immediately obvious, which causes confusion at first and triggers threads like this... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 18:21:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B76F37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D53343FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:21:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302B66CFA; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2A8E712A1; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:21:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:21:10 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20030402022110.GA6181@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: Jarkko Santala cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:21:11 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:12:44PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I think this does not automaticly follow. If you use the -RC label for > identifying the release when it's in a state of final QA and not to > identify the release when it's in -ALPHA or -BETA state, then you avoid > using the -RELEASE label when it's still possible that tags slide. And what about the last-minute (but easily fixed) bug that is discovered after the -RELEASE tag goes down, whenever that happens in the process? Either you slide the tag to fix the bug or you don't. That's what the original poster was talking about. Kris --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ikkVWry0BWjoQKURAsHuAKDqdsHOopYCz0WetJWjDjPwJ5T7XwCghLD2 eShB7cNDUpS4vdUCbQ+QbLs= =AgXY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 18:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACBF37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22443F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h322WnKu076121; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h322WnTH007990; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h322WnX6007989; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:49 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402023249.GB7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030402022110.GA6181@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402022110.GA6181@rot13.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: Jarkko Santala Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:32:51 -0000 On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:21:10PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:12:44PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I think this does not automaticly follow. If you use the -RC label for > > identifying the release when it's in a state of final QA and not to > > identify the release when it's in -ALPHA or -BETA state, then you avoid > > using the -RELEASE label when it's still possible that tags slide. > > And what about the last-minute (but easily fixed) bug that is > discovered after the -RELEASE tag goes down, whenever that happens in > the process? Either you slide the tag to fix the bug or you don't. > That's what the original poster was talking about. If you use the -RELEASE label as a formal label while using the -RC label during final QA, you don't fix bugs once you put down the -RELEASE label, because you don't slide it. An equivalent situation is when you find a bug when mirrors are being populated. Do you stop that to rebuild the release with a fix? [rethorical question] There's always an ultimate moment before which you can correct and adjust and after which you're f*cked. We don't have this moment defined by a tag, but it's not uncommon to have the -RELEASE tag define that moment. I think this is what Jarkko expected (ie having the -RELEASE tag define the release, no matter if it's DOA). -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 19:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D481D37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from web9904.mail.yahoo.com (web9904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EED043F93 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweaky_81@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030402034431.15386.qmail@web9904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.16.16.99] by web9904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:44:31 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:44:31 -0800 (PST) From: Georgi Hristov To: Marcel Moolenaar In-Reply-To: <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 03:44:32 -0000 If the release is not ready, why don't the webmaster update the site to reflect this. Just couple more days like they usually do. So people don't get confused. I am not sure yet ... is it ready ot not ... is it final or not ... yes it exist on the ftp server, however there is no PGP signed email from RE to acknoledge this. So what is it ... yes, no, maybe ... :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 20:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47637B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2272643F85 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h324JvKu076521; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h324JvTH051472; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h324JugE051351; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:19:56 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Georgi Hristov Message-ID: <20030402041956.GA20335@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030402034431.15386.qmail@web9904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402034431.15386.qmail@web9904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:19:59 -0000 On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 07:44:31PM -0800, Georgi Hristov wrote: > > So what is it ... yes, no, maybe ... :) Indeed :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 20:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5AA37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from web9906.mail.yahoo.com (web9906.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CA2B43FAF for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweaky_81@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030402042631.16698.qmail@web9906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.16.16.99] by web9906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:26:31 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Georgi Hristov To: Marcel Moolenaar In-Reply-To: <20030402041956.GA20335@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:26:32 -0000 I just noticed that the "4.8-Release" has populated the mirror servers around the world. I think this is the final, even though RE has not acknoledge it ... What are the chances of droping the tag, making some changes, and repopulating the FTP mirrors .. SLIM .. if there is any further issues with "4.8-Release" ...the problems with be noted in the Errata ... and patches would be release instead of making changes to the the one on the FTP server. I am not a FreeBSD guru, nor I am on the development team ... so this is just my assumpions ... that may happen to be correct. :))) --- Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 07:44:31PM -0800, Georgi > Hristov wrote: > > > > So what is it ... yes, no, maybe ... :) > > Indeed :-) > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 22:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D5937B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ip166.usw12.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.253.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6643F75 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ran.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190bVp-0003T1-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:14:17 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:14:16 -0800 To: FreeBSD Stable Message-Id: Subject: owner:group check X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:14:18 -0000 is there a tool which checks the directory hierarchy to see if owner:group is normally set on well-known files? randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 22:35:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A33A37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.itga.com.au (ns1.itga.com.au [202.53.40.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEB843F3F for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns1.itga.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h326Zh1N011984; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:35:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28236; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:35:43 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200304020635.QAA28236@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: Randy Bush In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:14:16 -0800. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:35:43 +1000 Sender: gnb@itga.com.au cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: owner:group check X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:35:54 -0000 randy@psg.com said: > is there a tool which checks the directory hierarchy to see if > owner:group is normally set on well-known files? man mtree. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 23:08:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8837B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F09943F85 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <20030402070809003001ukkae>; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:08:09 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32788s0020888; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3278841020887; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:08:08 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Georgi Hristov Message-ID: <20030402070808.GA20812@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030402041956.GA20335@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030402042631.16698.qmail@web9906.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402042631.16698.qmail@web9906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:08:11 -0000 --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Georgi Hristov wrote: > I just noticed that the "4.8-Release" has populated > the mirror servers around the world.=20 >=20 > I think this is the final, even though RE has not > acknoledge it ... What are the chances of droping the > tag, making some changes, and repopulating the FTP > mirrors .. SLIM .. if there is any further issues with > "4.8-Release" ...the problems with be noted in the > Errata ... and patches would be release instead of > making changes to the the one on the FTP server.=20 >=20 > I am not a FreeBSD guru, nor I am on the development > team ... so this is just my assumpions ... that may > happen to be correct. :)))=20 There's been no release announcement yet. Until you see one, just pretend that anything labeled "4.8-RELEASE" doesn't exist. It's that simple, OK? :-) In an ideal world, the release engineering team could put the releases, well, "somewhere", they'd magically get pushed out instantaneously to all of the mirror sites all around the world, and be guaranteed to be correct. In the real world, it takes a non-zero amount of time to get the data to a reasonable subset of the mirrors. Not all of the data is available at the same time, and even if it were, it takes about a day (at least) for most of the mirrors to get it, depending on what time of the day and what day of the week we make the bits available. There were (are?) two ongoing wrinkles in that the machine that was holding disc1.iso (for the i386) went down for awhile yesterday, plus we generally agreed that sending out a release announcement on 1 April was a Bad Idea (TM). Please be patient. Bruce. (RE team member, but speaking for myself) --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ioxX2MoxcVugUsMRApVPAKDv23T9jbowkOWFh9YUWnd6lChGUwCgprm/ pLA1Ov7a4tVS776t0PulwGQ= =mZvs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 23:09:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1286237B401 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [134.25.0.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D2C43FA3 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se (honken.sr.se [134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3279q4o012769 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (oldie [134.25.200.100]) by honken.sr.se (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3279qVT081460 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3279q5x038254 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3279qDZ038253 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402070952.GD37762@sr.se> References: <20030401141454.N43325-100000@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <87znnaw7vq.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> <20030401224035.R474@trillian.santala.org> <20030401222116.GB5246@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030402021244.GA7705@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030402022110.GA6181@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402022110.GA6181@rot13.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:09:57 -0000 On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:21:10PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:12:44PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I think this does not automaticly follow. If you use the -RC label for > > identifying the release when it's in a state of final QA and not to > > identify the release when it's in -ALPHA or -BETA state, then you avoid > > using the -RELEASE label when it's still possible that tags slide. > > And what about the last-minute (but easily fixed) bug that is > discovered after the -RELEASE tag goes down, whenever that happens in > the process? Either you slide the tag to fix the bug or you don't. > That's what the original poster was talking about. > > Kris Isn't this much fuzz for nothing, really? All there is to it is wait for the "Release Officer" to announce that 4.8 i RELEASED. Then it is Released. -- Gunnar Flygt OPC Data Sveriges Radio From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:19:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3463137B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mage.trollkarl.net (018.216-123-203-0.interbaun.com [216.123.203.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D25143F3F for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.net) Received: from trollkarl.skafte.org (root@trollkarl [192.168.100.16]) by mage.trollkarl.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h328JVh1092861 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.net) Received: from trollkarl.trollkarl.net (skafte@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trollkarl.skafte.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h328JVMZ084389 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.trollkarl.net) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by trollkarl.trollkarl.net (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h328JV0Z084388 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:19:31 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:19:30 -0700 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402081930.GA84282@trollkarl.trollkarl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: Gregs Hidey Hole Errors-To: skafte@trollkarl.net Subject: net.inet.*.log_in_vain X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:19:33 -0000 I was just contemplating that if we are in securelevel > n if the log_in_vain sysctls should become increment only. Is this something that is a worth pursuing, or am I barking up the wrong flora. Greg -- Email: skafte@trollkarl.net -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9806C37B401; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466B943F85; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at (pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.2.177]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h328OdWb164536; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:24:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:24:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-Reply-To: <20030402001826.GU34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20030402102225.Y19644@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> References: <20030330125138.K23911@leelou.in.tern> <20030330231000.GB1861@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030402001826.GU34617@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx2 4242; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: vinum performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:24:56 -0000 On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I've done some rawio benchmarks with different process counts (1, 2, 4,= 8, > > 16, 32 and 64). The results are at > > . > > How does this compare to the raw disk? Oops, sorry, I've forgotten to include them on the page. They are on there now. Raw disk performance is indeed worse than RAID0/RAID5. Also interesting is that the sequential read performance drops significantly in all cases when going from 8 to 16 processes. Probably the bus is filled up then. best regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3EB37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from CRWdog.demon.co.uk (12-228-200-39.client.attbi.com [12.228.200.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B51243F93 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spadger@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A80A9E; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:26:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Gunnar Flygt In-Reply-To: Message from Gunnar Flygt of "Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:09:52 +0200." <20030402070952.GD37762@sr.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:26:21 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20030402082621.7A80A9E@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE vs SA-03:07 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:26:58 -0000 > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:21:10PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 06:12:44PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > I think this does not automaticly follow. If you use the -RC label for > > > identifying the release when it's in a state of final QA and not to > > > identify the release when it's in -ALPHA or -BETA state, then you avoid > > > using the -RELEASE label when it's still possible that tags slide. > > > > And what about the last-minute (but easily fixed) bug that is > > discovered after the -RELEASE tag goes down, whenever that happens in > > the process? Either you slide the tag to fix the bug or you don't. > > That's what the original poster was talking about. > > > > Kris > > Isn't this much fuzz for nothing, really? All there is to it is > wait for the "Release Officer" to announce that 4.8 i RELEASED. > > Then it is Released. Yes. I don't really understand why the Release Engineering is done the way it is. When I was releasing commercial software, I'd simply lock and tag the tree with a unique, temporary, label, check out a clean tree against that label, unlock the tree and build and package the software. If the build subsequently passed QA, I laid down another label based on the one used to check out the passing build. All the temporary build tags would get removed automatically anyway when they were more than a few days old. You just had to lay down additional tags for "milestones" that you wanted to permanently get back to (e.g. pre-releases, various betas, code forks etc.) If you're only building releases from source trees checked out against labels, there's little need to keep the tree frozen for weeks at a time, it seems to me. Cheers, AS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:39:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21BD37B401; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mage.trollkarl.net (018.216-123-203-0.interbaun.com [216.123.203.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF26343F93; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.net) Received: from trollkarl.skafte.org (root@trollkarl [192.168.100.16]) by mage.trollkarl.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h328cxh1004987; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.net) Received: from trollkarl.trollkarl.net (skafte@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trollkarl.skafte.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h328cxMZ084439; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.trollkarl.net) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by trollkarl.trollkarl.net (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h328cx0Y084438; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:38:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:38:59 -0700 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030402083858.GB84282@trollkarl.trollkarl.net> References: <20030402081930.GA84282@trollkarl.trollkarl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402081930.GA84282@trollkarl.trollkarl.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: Gregs Hidey Hole Errors-To: skafte@trollkarl.net cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: net.inet.*.log_in_vain X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:39:02 -0000 Sigh .... Wrong List forwarding to freebsd-security Quoting Greg Skafte (skafte+freebsd-stable@trollkarl.net) On Subject: net.inet.*.log_in_vain Date: Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:19:30AM -0700 > I was just contemplating that if we are in securelevel > n if the > log_in_vain sysctls should become increment only. Is this something > that is a worth pursuing, or am I barking up the wrong flora. > > > Greg > > -- > Email: skafte@trollkarl.net > -- -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a > whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the > simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. > (Janet Morris) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Email: skafte@trollkarl.net ICQ: 93234105 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 02:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6668237B401; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (sbk-gw.sibnet.ru [217.70.96.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1089443FB1; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (localhost.sibnet.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h32AmXuI082147; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:48:33 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from localhost (stranger@localhost)h32AmXHB082144; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:48:33 +0700 (NOVST) X-Authentication-Warning: sbk-gw.sibnet.ru: stranger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:48:33 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Maxim M. Kazachek" X-X-Sender: stranger@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru To: "Bruce A. Mah" In-Reply-To: <20030402070808.GA20812@intruder.bmah.org> Message-ID: <20030402165913.J81626@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru> References: <20030402041956.GA20335@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030402070808.GA20812@intruder.bmah.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.8-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:48:14 -0000 On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Bruce A. Mah wrote: >If memory serves me right, Georgi Hristov wrote: >> I just noticed that the "4.8-Release" has populated >> the mirror servers around the world. >> >> I think this is the final, even though RE has not >> acknoledge it ... What are the chances of droping the >> tag, making some changes, and repopulating the FTP >> mirrors .. SLIM .. if there is any further issues with >> "4.8-Release" ...the problems with be noted in the >> Errata ... and patches would be release instead of >> making changes to the the one on the FTP server. >> >> I am not a FreeBSD guru, nor I am on the development >> team ... so this is just my assumpions ... that may >> happen to be correct. :))) > >There's been no release announcement yet. Until you see one, just >pretend that anything labeled "4.8-RELEASE" doesn't exist. It's that >simple, OK? :-) > >In an ideal world, the release engineering team could put the >releases, well, "somewhere", they'd magically get pushed out >instantaneously to all of the mirror sites all around the world, and >be guaranteed to be correct. > >In the real world, it takes a non-zero amount of time to get the data >to a reasonable subset of the mirrors. Not all of the data is >available at the same time, and even if it were, it takes about a day >(at least) for most of the mirrors to get it, depending on what time >of the day and what day of the week we make the bits available. > >There were (are?) two ongoing wrinkles in that the machine that was >holding disc1.iso (for the i386) went down for awhile yesterday, plus >we generally agreed that sending out a release announcement on 1 April >was a Bad Idea (TM). > >Please be patient. > >Bruce. >(RE team member, but speaking for myself) > > Well, RELEASEing of software and POPULATEing (released) software onto mirrors is different, I think :-). I'd rather vote for following order of operations: 1.label RELEASE 2.announce "RELEASE in CVS tree" 3.build RELEASE 4.populate ISOs 5.announce "RELEASE in binary distribution" 6.announce RELEASE on web site (if we want to say that RELEASE is OUT when binary distribution is available) This will eleminate situation "RELEASE is labeled but not announced by RE". I think that people that don't track source tree can "wait" for RELEASE (in binary distribution)... Please correct me if I'm wrong... P.S. If you see "Rabbit" label on cell with tiger - don't trust for your eyes... :-) Sincerely, Maxim M. Kazachek mailto:stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru mailto:stranger@fpm.ami.nstu.ru From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 03:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8511B37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BD743F85 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jd@jackdan.net) Received: from server.jackdan.net ([65.95.48.145]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20030402111809.ETLX10384.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@server.jackdan.net> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:18:09 -0500 Received: from jackdan.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by server.jackdan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C17D8F2 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:38:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E89DCF7.2080902@jackdan.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:39:51 -0500 From: Jd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD 5.0 will not boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:18:11 -0000 Hi everyone, I released turned to FreeBSD simply because I am discouraged with windows and there security scheme (did you guys see the document microsoft wrote about how to stop windows from sending out info about your computer onto the net? it's freaking 250 pages, and that doesn't cover all the xtra exploits that can come in your computer). Anyways, I recently tried 4.8 rc2, and it worked like a charm. So I wanted to try 5.0...that was a problem. Unfortunately, 5.0 won't boot for me. I go through the installation procedure without a glitch. But then, when comes first boot, after the initial message (when you have a 10 second delay and you push enter) all I get is hex being dumped to my screen, and alot of it. Now I think I read somewhere that FreeBSD5.0 now comes with a splash screen when it boots. I have a geforce ti4200. To make X work (under 4.8) I needed to get the nvidia drivers, would this affect anything? If so, how do I get to install those drivers before I can get a first boot? (I tried booting from the cd, and getting a shell, but I can't even 'ls' from that shell) Anyways, any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. P.S. Apart from the little (very annoying) glitch, freeBSD is preeeeettttty nice... I must admit i'm very impressed. Just gotta get those cvs flags down now :P Thanks, Jd From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 03:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA0937B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [134.25.0.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B81543FAF for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se (honken.sr.se [134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h32Bvg6P038688 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (oldie [134.25.200.100]) by honken.sr.se (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h32BvgVT005237 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h32Bvg5x041839 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h32Bvfhx041838 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:41 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: FreeBSD Stable Message-ID: <20030402115741.GA41802@sr.se> Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , FreeBSD Stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: make search key= quite useless these days X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:57:45 -0000 What are we supposed to use for information on ports nowadays, since the port info has been taken away and more and more of the `make search key=anything` gives a result like: Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser Info: ** No Description Maint: roman@xpert.com Index: net B-deps: R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_7 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 freetype2 -2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 t k-8.3.5 Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www Info: ** No Description Maint: roman@xpert.com Index: www B-deps: R-deps: apache-1.3.27_4 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expat-1.95.6_1 jpeg-6b_1 p5-MIME-Ba se64-2.16 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 Not much help there! -- Gunnar Flygt OPC Data Sveriges Radio From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 04:05:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200E337B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from host185.dolanmedia.com (host185.dolanmedia.com [209.98.197.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17F9E43FAF for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:05:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com) Received: (qmail 43195 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 2003 12:05:46 -0000 Received: from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com by proxy by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.15 ( Clear:. 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Processed in 1.168551 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dolanmedia.com) (10.1.1.23) by host185.dolanmedia.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 12:05:44 -0000 Received: from dolaninformation.com (10.1.1.135) by mail.dolanmedia.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 2 Apr 2003 06:05:44 -0600 Sender: pang@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E8AD218.ECB859D4@dolaninformation.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:05:44 -0600 From: Greg Panula Organization: Dolan Information Center Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gunnar Flygt References: <20030402115741.GA41802@sr.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: make search key= quite useless these days X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: greg.panula@dolaninformation.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:05:48 -0000 Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > What are we supposed to use for information on ports nowadays, > since the port info has been taken away and more and more of > the `make search key=anything` gives a result like: > > Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 > Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser > Info: ** No Description > Maint: roman@xpert.com > Index: net > B-deps: > R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_7 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 freetype2 > -2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 t > k-8.3.5 > > Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 > Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www > Info: ** No Description > Maint: roman@xpert.com > Index: www > B-deps: > R-deps: apache-1.3.27_4 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expat-1.95.6_1 jpeg-6b_1 p5-MIME-Ba > se64-2.16 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 > > Not much help there! > Hmmmm, maybe something is buggared on your end? Here are my results for the above searches.... [net-mgmt]:[/usr/ports]:>make search key=xsmbrowser Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser Info: Tcl/Tk port of Windows' Network Neighborhood Maint: roman@xpert.com Index: net B-deps: R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_6 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 freetype2-2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_1 samba-2.2.7a tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 tk-8.3.5 [net-mgmt]:[/usr/ports]:>make search key=smb2www Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www Info: Windows Network client that is accessible through a web browser Maint: roman@xpert.com Index: www B-deps: R-deps: apache-1.3.27_1 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 jpeg-6b_1 p5-MIME-Base64-2.16 png-1.2.5_1 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 Maybe try refreshing your ports tree? greg From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 04:28:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B732437B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from host185.dolanmedia.com (host185.dolanmedia.com [209.98.197.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D63BF43FA3 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com) Received: (qmail 49164 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 2003 12:28:35 -0000 Received: from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com by proxy by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.15 ( Clear:. 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Processed in 1.186249 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dolanmedia.com) (10.1.1.23) by host185.dolanmedia.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 12:28:33 -0000 Received: from dolaninformation.com (10.1.1.135) by mail.dolanmedia.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 2 Apr 2003 06:28:33 -0600 Sender: pang@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E8AD771.8DE7730D@dolaninformation.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:28:33 -0600 From: Greg Panula Organization: Dolan Information Center Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jd References: <3E89DCF7.2080902@jackdan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 will not boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: greg.panula@dolaninformation.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:28:37 -0000 Jd wrote: > > Hi everyone, I released turned to FreeBSD simply because I am > discouraged with windows and there security scheme (did you guys see the > document microsoft wrote about how to stop windows from sending out info > about your computer onto the net? it's freaking 250 pages, and that > doesn't cover all the xtra exploits that can come in your computer). > Anyways, I recently tried 4.8 rc2, and it worked like a charm. So I > wanted to try 5.0...that was a problem. > > Unfortunately, 5.0 won't boot for me. I go through the installation > procedure without a glitch. But then, when comes first boot, after the > initial message (when you have a 10 second delay and you push enter) all > I get is hex being dumped to my screen, and alot of it. Now I think I > read somewhere that FreeBSD5.0 now comes with a splash screen when it > boots. I have a geforce ti4200. To make X work (under 4.8) I needed to > get the nvidia drivers, would this affect anything? If so, how do I get > to install those drivers before I can get a first boot? (I tried > booting from the cd, and getting a shell, but I can't even 'ls' from > that shell) > If it hurts when you do that, don't do that. :) Just run 4.8, 5.0 is still "beta" code. If you're still interested in trying 5.0... first see if you can get it run without X windows. Instead of pressing the enter key, press the any key to get a boot prompt and then type 'boot -s' to boot into single user mode. If you can boot into single user mode, then you know the OS can boot. And problem is most likely with getting X to run. Don't know how to really explain how to trouble-shoot X windows problems. But you might want to try using the stock nvidia driver or the stock vga driver that comes with X before attempting to using the drivers provided by nvidia(not sure those work with 5.0 anyways). Comment out the line in /etc/ttys that contains "xdm -nodaemon" to keep freebsd from starting X windows at boot-up. Make sure at least ttyv0 is uncommented, so you'll get a console prompt. But since you're new to freebsd, I suggest sticking with 4.8 and getting a feel for it. This will give you a stable platform to learn with and an idea of how to trouble-shoot problems. Good luck, greg From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 04:48:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC037B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [134.25.0.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB9043F85 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se (honken.sr.se [134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h32Cm86P044155; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:48:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (oldie [134.25.200.100]) by honken.sr.se (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h32Cm8VT009890; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:48:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: from oldie.sr.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h32Cm75x042444; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:48:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@oldie.sr.se) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by oldie.sr.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h32Cm7F0042443; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:48:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:48:07 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: Greg Panula Message-ID: <20030402124807.GA42345@sr.se> Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , Greg Panula , FreeBSD Stable References: <20030402115741.GA41802@sr.se> <3E8AD218.ECB859D4@dolaninformation.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E8AD218.ECB859D4@dolaninformation.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: make search key= quite useless these days X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:48:17 -0000 On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:05:44AM -0600, Greg Panula wrote: > Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > > > What are we supposed to use for information on ports nowadays, > > since the port info has been taken away and more and more of > > the `make search key=anything` gives a result like: > > > > Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 > > Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser > > Info: ** No Description > > Maint: roman@xpert.com > > Index: net > > B-deps: > > R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_7 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 freetype2 > > -2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 t > > k-8.3.5 > > > > Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 > > Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www > > Info: ** No Description > > Maint: roman@xpert.com > > Index: www > > B-deps: > > R-deps: apache-1.3.27_4 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expat-1.95.6_1 jpeg-6b_1 p5-MIME-Ba > > se64-2.16 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 > > > > Not much help there! > > > > Hmmmm, maybe something is buggared on your end? I don't know what you mean with the word "buggared" but whatever it is, this system is one of a lot of FreeBSD mashines showing the same result after having done cvsup of the ports tree. It started a few weeks ago, when the pkg-message file disappeared from the ports directories. Any connection? > > Here are my results for the above searches.... > > [net-mgmt]:[/usr/ports]:>make search key=xsmbrowser > Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 > Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser > Info: Tcl/Tk port of Windows' Network Neighborhood > Maint: roman@xpert.com > Index: net > B-deps: > R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_6 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 > freetype2-2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_1 samba-2.2.7a > tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 tk-8.3.5 > > [net-mgmt]:[/usr/ports]:>make search key=smb2www > Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 > Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www > Info: Windows Network client that is accessible through a web browser > Maint: roman@xpert.com > Index: www > B-deps: > R-deps: apache-1.3.27_1 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 jpeg-6b_1 > p5-MIME-Base64-2.16 png-1.2.5_1 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 > > Maybe try refreshing your ports tree? > > greg -- Gunnar Flygt OPC Data Sveriges Radio From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 04:58:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD3437B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471C643FCB for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A6AEA818; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:58:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370795453; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:58:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:58:45 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew To: "Simon L. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20030402000912.GC379@nitro.dk> Message-ID: <20030402173524.P33078-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make release for 4.8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:58:47 -0000 On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > Do you actually have the doc tree in /usr/doc ? Looking through the log file it should have... cd /disk2/release/usr && rm -rf doc && cvs -R -d /disk2/cvs-mirror co -P doc cvs checkout: Updating doc U doc/Makefile U doc/README Ahah! I think the problem is to do with the removal of the _ in the character set names...it's trying to cd with an _ but the driectory in question doesn't have one. I've update make.conf and set it off again. Hopefully it will all work this time. Thanks for the hint. Andrew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 05:06:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA237B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from host185.dolanmedia.com (host185.dolanmedia.com [209.98.197.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45EBF43F75 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:06:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com) Received: (qmail 59652 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 2003 13:05:59 -0000 Received: from greg.panula@dolaninformation.com by proxy by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.15 ( Clear:. 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Processed in 1.211003 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dolanmedia.com) (10.1.1.23) by host185.dolanmedia.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 13:05:58 -0000 Received: from dolaninformation.com (10.1.1.135) by mail.dolanmedia.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 2 Apr 2003 07:05:58 -0600 Sender: pang@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E8AE035.2FE21570@dolaninformation.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:05:57 -0600 From: Greg Panula Organization: Dolan Information Center Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gunnar Flygt References: <20030402115741.GA41802@sr.se> <3E8AD218.ECB859D4@dolaninformation.com> <20030402124807.GA42345@sr.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: make search key= quite useless these days X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: greg.panula@dolaninformation.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:06:01 -0000 Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:05:44AM -0600, Greg Panula wrote: > > Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > > > > > What are we supposed to use for information on ports nowadays, > > > since the port info has been taken away and more and more of > > > the `make search key=anything` gives a result like: > > > > > > Port: xsmbrowser-3.3.0 > > > Path: /usr/ports/net/xsmbrowser > > > Info: ** No Description > > > Maint: roman@xpert.com > > > Index: net > > > B-deps: > > > R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_7 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expect-5.38.0_1 freetype2 > > > -2.1.3_1 imake-4.2.0_1 jpeg-6b_1 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tcl-8.3.5 tiff-3.5.7 t > > > k-8.3.5 > > > > > > Port: smb2www-0.0.980804_1 > > > Path: /usr/ports/www/smb2www > > > Info: ** No Description > > > Maint: roman@xpert.com > > > Index: www > > > B-deps: > > > R-deps: apache-1.3.27_4 cups-base-1.1.18.0_4 expat-1.95.6_1 jpeg-6b_1 p5-MIME-Ba > > > se64-2.16 png-1.2.5_2 samba-2.2.7a tiff-3.5.7 > > > > > > Not much help there! > > > > > > > Hmmmm, maybe something is buggared on your end? > > I don't know what you mean with the word "buggared" but whatever it > is, this system is one of a lot of FreeBSD mashines showing the same > result after having done cvsup of the ports tree. > > It started a few weeks ago, when the pkg-message file disappeared > from the ports directories. Any connection? > > buggared = fubar'd = hosed = wrong Aye, missing pkg-message files could be the cause of your problems. Refresh your ports tree via cvsup and life should be good again. I have just refreshed my ports tree and I still get a useful 'Info' line when using 'make search key='. Here are the first few lines of the sup file I use for refreshing my ports tree. --------------------->8------------------ *default host=localhost *default base=/usr/local/etc/sup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix #ports-all # These are the individual collections that make up "po # use these, be sure to comment out "ports-all" above. ports-archivers #ports-astro ports-audio ports-base --------------------->8------------------ The important bits are: *default release=cvs tag=. and ports-base Then when I refresh I use the command 'cvsup -gL 2 ports-supfile' greg From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 05:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FECD37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from customer.ecore.net (enterprise.ecore.net [212.223.99.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B66043FBF for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:53:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cs@cheasy.de) Received: (qmail 13394 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 13:52:56 -0000 Received: from p50840837.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO cheasy.de) (80.132.8.55) by cheasy.de with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 13:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3E8AEB39.2060408@cheasy.de> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:52:57 +0200 From: Christoph Sold User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: de, de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050204050202070202080803" cc: Bernd Walter Subject: 4.8-S crashes during boot in USB code X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:53:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050204050202070202080803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, my FreeBSD-4.8-Stable custom kernel crashes in USB code during boot. It does not matter if any USB device is connected. I checked all combinations of no, one, or two devices connected out of my collection (USB memory stick, Sony clie handheld). The crash is reproducible at the same location in the USB driver. A generic kernel does not crash, but does not detect the Clie. Enclosed are a DDB stack trace (stacktrace.txt), my machine-specific config file (KISTE), as well as dmesg output from the generic kernel (dmesg.boot.txt). Any hints? Thanks in advance -Christoph Sold --------------050204050202070202080803 Content-Type: text/plain; name="stacktrace.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="stacktrace.txt" atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd4ff irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: UIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address : 0x4 fault code : supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer : 0x8:0xc02df5ac stack pointer : 0x10:0xc052ad20 frame pointer : 0x10:0xc052ad3c code segment : base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b : DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags : interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL : 0 current process : 0 (swapper) interrupt mask : none trap number : 12 panic: page fault Uptime: 0s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Debugger("manual escape to debugger") Stopped at Debugger+0x35: movb $0, in_Debugger.429 db> trace Debugger(c03ea269) at Debugger+0x35 scgetc(c046db20,3,c0466540,1,7e) at scgetc+0x47a sccngetch(2,c052abfc,c01c547e,c94520e0,c052ac0c) at sccngetch+0x10a sccncheckc(c04520e0,c052ac0c,c01a8124,186a0,c0e35e20) at sccncheckc+0xa cncheckc(186a06) at cncheckc+0x2e shutdown_panic(0,100) at shutdown_panic+0x34 boot(100,10,c052ace0,c052ac74,c0373ab4) at boot+0x335 panic(c03f0d4c,c03f081f,c046e340,c0451b40,0) at panic+0x7d trap_fatal(c052ace0,4,c046e340,c,0) at trap_fatal+0x344 trap_pfault(c052ace0,0,4,0,c154d000) at trap_pfault+0x12d trap(c0520010,c0380010,8e4c0010,c15de400,c15cd000) at trap+0x40f calltrap() at calltrap+0x11 --- trap 0xc, eip = 0xc02df5ac, esp = 0xc052ad20, ebp = 0xc052ad3c --- uhci_idone(0,c15d4e00,c15cd000,c15d4e00,c052ad6c) at uhci_idons+0xc uhci_waitintr(c15cd000,c15d4e00,c15d4e00,8,c052ad7c) at uhci_waitintr+0x62 uhci_device_ctrl_start(c15d4e00,0,c15d4e00,c052ae0c,c02e30be) at uhci_device_ctrl_transfer(c15d4e00,c15d4e00,c052ae0c,c02e30be) at uhci_device_ctrl_transfer+0x1f usbd_transfer(c15d4e00,c052add4,c02e30c7,c15d4e00,c15d4db0) at usbd_transfer+0xa3 usb_sync_transfer(c15d4e00,c15d4db0,c15d4d80,c15d4db0,c15bc780) at usb_sync_transfer+0x10 usbd_do_reqest_flags(c15d4d80,c052ac0c,c15d4db0,c15d4d80,0) at usb_do_reqest_flags+0x67 usb_do_reqest(c15d4d80,c052ae0c,c15d4db0,c15d0d80,0) at usb_do_reqest+0x18 usb_get_desc(c15d4d80,1,0,8,c15d4db0) at usb_get_desc+0 x6a usbd_new_device(c15d4f80,c15cd000,1,0,1,c15d4f30) at usbd_new_device+0x154 uhub_explore(015cc100,c15cc180,c15ccb80,0,c52aea0) at uhub_explore+0x203 usb_attach(c15cc180,c052aebc,c01b0f77,c15cc180,c15cd000) at usb_attach+0x106 DEVICE_ATTACH(c15ca080,c15ca080,c15ca300,0,1) at DEVICE_ATTACH+0x32 device_probe_and_attach(c15ca300) at device_probe_and_attach+0x67 uhci_pci_attach(c15ccb80,c052af08,c01b0f77,c15ccb80,c15ccb80) at uhci_pci_attach+0x2a4 DEVICE_ATTACH(c15ccb80,c15ccb80,c15ca180,0,0) at DEVICE_ATTACH+0x32 device_probe_and_attach(c15ccb80) at device_probe_and_attach+0x67 bus_generic_attach(c15ca080,c052af40,c01b0f77,c15ca080,c15ca080) at bus_generic_attach+0x16 DEVICE_ATTACH(c15ca080,c15ca080,c15ca300,0,1) at DEVICE_ATTACH+0x32 device_probe_and_attach(c15ca080) at device_probe_and_attach+0x67 bus_generic_attach(c15ca180,c052af078,c01b0f77,c15ca180,c15ca180) at bus_generic_attach+0x16 DEVICE_ATTACH(c15ca180,c15ca180,c0e48780,0,1) at DEVICE_ATTACH+0x32 device_probe_and_attach(c15ca180) at device_probe_and_attach+0x67 bus_generic_attach(c15ca300,c15ca300,c052afa4,c012e0c2,c15ca300) at bus_generic_attach+0x16 nexus_attach(c15ca300,c052afc0,c01b0f77,c15ca300,c15ca300) at nexus_attach+0xd DEVICE_ATTACH(c15ca300,c15ca300,c041da10,52f000,1) at DEVICE_ATTACH+0x32 device_probe_and_attach(c15ca300) at device_probe_and_attach+0x67 root_bus_configure(c0e48780,c03eb5ec,0) at root_bus_configure+0x16 configure(0,572c00,52f000,0,c012daa0) at configure+0x33 begin() at begin+0x47 --------------050204050202070202080803 Content-Type: text/plain; name="dmesg.boot.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="dmesg.boot.txt" Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.8-RC #3: Mon Mar 31 21:42:11 CEST 2003 so@kiste.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Intel Pentium III (997.46-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x686 Stepping = 6 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 268419072 (262128K bytes) avail memory = 255614976 (249624K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel.GENERIC" at 0xc056e000. Preloaded elf module "vesa.ko" at 0xc056e0a4. VESA: v3.0, 32768k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc056b782 (1000022) VESA: NVidia Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00f0eb0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 agp0: mem 0xfc000000-0xfdffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ulpt0: Lexmark Lexmark Z42, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2, iclass 7/1 uhci1: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 4.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered umass0: USB Disk, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057) at 4.4 pci0: (vendor=0x1274, dev=0x5880) at 5.0 irq 9 dc0: port 0xb400-0xb47f mem 0xed800000-0xed8003ff irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:40:f4:0a:be:55 miibus0: on dc0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sym0: <810a> port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem 0xed000000-0xed0000ff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-10, SE, parity checking pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 orm0: