From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 05:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED3F37B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401F343F93 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robdefriesse@attbi.com) Received: from attbi.com (h00104b44180b.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.91.227.199]) by mtaout08.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HDA00GBS75C0C@mtaout08.icomcast.net> for www@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:10:23 -0400 From: robdefriesse@yahoo.com To: www@freebsd.org Message-id: <16025.21423.929581.959970@bellman.defriesse.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bad link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:10:26 -0000 Port description for sysutils/mkisofs The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: ports/sysutils/mkisofs/pkg-descr You are coming from http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/creating%2dcds%2ehtml. Please contact www@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 13:00:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7F337B401; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust38.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD1243F93; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 194nef-0003sE-00; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:00:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:00:45 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: bmah@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030413200045.GA97520@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , bmah@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030405151719.GA75703@submonkey.net> <20030406230307.GA33473@intruder.bmah.org> <20030407101041.GA4506@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030407101041.GA4506@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: XHTML and the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:00:48 -0000 On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 11:10:41AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 04:03:07PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > If memory serves me right, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > > In August last year, a commit was made to change the website to XHTML, and > > > since then, all the documents built from SGML have been happily announcing > > > in their DOCTYPE declaration that they are XHTML 1.0 Transitional. > > > However, with the exception of the front page of the web site, they aren't; > > > none of them validate. > > > > I might note that all of the documents in our documentation set also > > claim to be XHTML. I wonder about them? If they're compliant, fixing > > *them* might be kind of hard since a lot of the XHTML is generated > > from the toolchain. > > It won't take me long to find out how hard this is likely to be; I'll take > a look at it sometime this week. OK, here's the update. www/ is really really easy, but there is the donkey work that we previously discussed. As Bruce suggested, fixing them in the default case is going to be hard, as the toolchain won't allow it - the documents don't validate because attributes must be in lower case, and the toolchain doesn't generate lower case attributes. However, if we use the xsl stylesheets, then we stand a chance (although there is no way that we can make this the default; the XML stuff doesn't support a number of things that we use; see item 4 below for one). I've put a patch that gets doc/ building again with STYLESHEET_TYPE set to "xsl" up at http://submonkey.net/FreeBSD/xsl.diff. Here are the caveats (that I remember): 1. The stuff in doc.docbook.mk is really ugly; not a major concern for me at the moment though. 2. Some of the documents still don't validate; this is because the footer from freebsd-html.xsl reads like this:

This, and other documents, can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/

For questions about FreeBSD, read the documentation before contacting <questions@FreeBSD.org>.
For questions about this documentation, e-mail <doc@FreeBSD.org>.

 For some reason that I just cannot fathom, xsltproc is messing up the

elements and inserting this:

This, and other documents, can be [...] Since that's not a valid attribute for the p element in XHTML, the final pages don't validate. Other than that, they mostly seem fine (see #3). 3. The committer's guide doesn't build properly; the first page is missing. I suspect this is due to something in the way it's marked up, but haven't investigated fully yet. 4. The handbook doesn't build properly. This is because we're using parameter entities within marked sections and they don't work with XML docs. The problematic bits are: The chapters just get omitted from the built document. 5. You get reams of warnings from sgmlnorm when ${DOC}.xml is being created. The pre-patch version of doc.docbook.mk redirected them to a file, but I'm having it show them, as I don't know how to shut it up. So to summarize, the docs/ are no good as XHTML; I'd still like to get the stuff under www/ to validate, but it may be worth switching away from XHTML again anyway due to the doc/ problems (although whether this actually *is* a problem is open to debate). I'd like to commit the attached patch if there are no objections, as it does at least allow the build to finish, even if some of the documents are broken; at the moment the build fails almost immediately. Yes, my patch cheats. Also, does anyone know if a command line version of the w3c's validator is available ? I'm getting rather bored of visiting their website... Cheer, Ceri -- As Zeus said to Narcissus, "Watch yourself." From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 13:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E127237B401; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust38.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF3143FA3; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 194oM1-00041F-00; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:45:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:45:33 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: bmah@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030413204533.GA15415@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , bmah@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030405151719.GA75703@submonkey.net> <20030406230307.GA33473@intruder.bmah.org> <20030407101041.GA4506@submonkey.net> <20030413200045.GA97520@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030413200045.GA97520@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: XHTML and the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:45:35 -0000 On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 09:00:45PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > www/ is really really easy, but there is the donkey work that we previously > discussed. > > As Bruce suggested, fixing them in the default case is going to be hard, as > the toolchain won't allow it - the documents don't validate because attributes > must be in lower case, and the toolchain doesn't generate lower case attributes. To clarify this, the above paragraph and the rest of my previous mail refer to doc/, not www/ (I deleted a sentence and messed up the context; sorry). Ceri -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 17:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59AB37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tesla.net.au (budgie.tesla.net.au [203.31.23.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEF343F93 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtj@tesla.net.au) Received: (from gtj@localhost) by tesla.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DNIPC03531 for www@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:18:25 +1000 From: "Glenn T. Jayaputera" Message-Id: <200304132318.h3DNIPC03531@tesla.net.au> To: www@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:18:25 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Company listing - reseller X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:00:08 -0000 To whom it may concern. My name is Glenn Jayaputera from Linux System Labs Australia (www.lsl.com.au), we are reselling FreeBSD official products here in australia, so we are wondering if our company name can be listed on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html thank you Glenn From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 17:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C39437B401; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.reppep.com (www.reppep.com [66.92.104.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4F343FA3; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pepper@reppep.com) Received: from [10.0.1.201] (airport.reppep.com [66.92.104.202]) by www.reppep.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9FFDB2; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pepper@mail.reppep.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030413200045.GA97520@submonkey.net> References: <20030405151719.GA75703@submonkey.net> <20030406230307.GA33473@intruder.bmah.org> <20030407101041.GA4506@submonkey.net> <20030413200045.GA97520@submonkey.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:45:36 -0400 To: Ceri Davies From: Chris Pepper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: bmah@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: XHTML and the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:46:42 -0000 At 9:00 PM +0100 2003/04/13, Ceri Davies wrote: >Also, does anyone know if a command line version of the w3c's validator is >available ? I'm getting rather bored of visiting their website... http://validator.w3.org/source/ -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller University: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 22:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42BB37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2967743FDF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by builder.freebsdmall.com (8.12.9/8.11.6) id h3E5ntvm004392; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:49:55 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Glenn T. Jayaputera" Message-ID: <20030413224955.I902@freebsdmall.com> References: <200304132318.h3DNIPC03531@tesla.net.au> <20030413222609.G902@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20030413222609.G902@freebsdmall.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 10:26:09PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Company listing - reseller X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:49:57 -0000 On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:18:25AM +1000, Glenn T. Jayaputera wrote: > My name is Glenn Jayaputera from Linux System Labs Australia > (www.lsl.com.au), we are reselling FreeBSD official products > here in australia, so we are wondering if our company name > can be listed on > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html Is there a FreeBSD area of your website that we can link to? We'd rather not link to a main page that includes many Linux products and just one FreeBSD product. Assuming we can find a suitable portal/entrance point for users interested in FreeBSD products, does something like this look OK (information gathered from your website) : Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.286 diff -u -r1.286 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 13 Apr 2003 09:37:59 -0000 1.286 +++ chapter.sgml 14 Apr 2003 05:47:53 -0000 @@ -115,6 +115,19 @@

+ Linux System Labs Australia + 21 Ray Drive + Balwyn North + VIC - 3104 + Australia + Phone: +61 3 9857 5918 + Fax: +61 3 9857 8974 + WWW: http://www.lsl.com.au +
+ + + +
UNIXDVD.COM LTD 57 Primrose Avenue Sheffield From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 02:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9946A37B401; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5043F75; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4383010BF82; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:42:22 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: robdefriesse@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20030414094221.GC369@nitro.dk> References: <16025.21423.929581.959970@bellman.defriesse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16025.21423.929581.959970@bellman.defriesse.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: ade@freebsd.org cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:42:24 -0000 --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.04.13 08:10:23 -0400, robdefriesse@yahoo.com wrote: > The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: >=20 > ports/sysutils/mkisofs/pkg-descr >=20 > You are coming from >=20 > http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/c= reating%2dcds%2ehtml.=20 >=20 > Please contact www@freebsd.org=20 Thanks for the rapport. The problems seems to be that the pkg-descr for mkisofs was removed when pkg-comment was removed but I don't really see why... It seems like a mistake? I have cc'ed ade since he was the one who removed pkg-descr.. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+moJ98kocFXgPTRwRAh2EAKCICiqiT1bIRWu/ZOB/1YZrsWjaLQCfRlkv 9wkQMlXCRMrPNegylJ4r4MQ= =wgI2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 20:30:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E8A37B408 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tango.chessclub.com (tango.chessclub.com [204.178.125.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA1E343FCB for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sleator@tango.chessclub.com) Received: (qmail 81222 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Apr 2003 03:19:20 -0000 Date: 16 Apr 2003 03:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030416031920.81221.qmail@tango.chessclub.com> From: Danny Sleator To: www@freebsd.org Subject: better ways to get the news X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:30:48 -0000 I'm alternately outraged and depressed by what's happening in the world. We now have the most powerful, deceitful, arrogant, and belligerent administration in US history. And almost everything they're doing is wrong. Here's one example to illustrate the power of Emperor Bush. He can start a unilateral, preemptive, unprecedented war costing hundreds of billions of dollars. His justification for it constantly changes, and is buttressed by a stream of lies. Simultaneously he can demand and get from congress a huge tax cut for the rich, despite the fact that we're in a recession and there's a huge budget deficit. And while doing all this outrageous stuff, he remains extremely popular. I'm thinking about what I, an average Joe, can do to slow down this juggernaut. One thing I did was put up this lighted sign outside of my house: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sleator/pictures/no-war.jpg But I think the real problem, and the reason for Bush's popularity, is that the American people basically don't have a clue about what's really happening. The mainstream media are not communicating it. Here are four examples to illustrate this point. 1. Remember the huge crowd of Iraqis cheering and pulling down a statue of Saddam? It turns out that the crowd was very small and some (all?) of the jubilant members of the crowd were actors. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm 2. Remember the rampant looting of Baghdad? Perhaps you knew that the US didn't lift a finger to stop it. But did you know that it was encouraged by US troops as a photo op? http://truthout.org/docs_03/041603D.shtml 3. Did you know that Richard Perle (a key author of the US's current Iraq policy) worked to undermine the Camp David accords in the summer of 2000? http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,342857,00.html 4. There's an outrageous, little-known part of NAFTA called chapter 11, which foreign corporate investors are using to challenge laws designed to protect public health, environmental regulations, and jury verdicts. The cases are heard before a secret international trade tribunal. http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7076 These are just a tiny sample to illustrate the problems of missing and/or misleading stories in the media. This situation goes a long way toward explaining why the war is so much more popular in the US than it is everywhere else. So I'm suggesting (to all the addresses in my inbox over the last few years) some good alternative sources of information that I've found. A good place to start is http://www.truthout.org They collect stories from reputable sources all over the world. You can sign up for a daily mailing of stories of their suggested stories. I've included one below. Sign up for their mailings at: http://216.25.72.229/membership/sub_mgmt.php http://www.fair.org is a media watchdog group. They maintain a web site, and they let you sign up for sporadic mailings about media deceptions and bias. They often have action alerts about specific outrages in the media. Another very good organization is http://www.moveon.org They email reminders when congress is considering important issues. They make it easy to contact your congress person to voice your opinion. They also run ads in mainstream publications and on TV. I also highly recommend the book "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman. He explains in great detail all the ways in which the media system is broken, and how it got this way. Here are some other great sites to take a look at: http://www.consortiumnews.com http://www.copvcia.com http://www.democraticunderground.com http://www.informationclearinghouse.info http://www.tompaine.com http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm I hope you find this mailing useful, and I apologize if you got this more than once. Feel free to distribute this further. One warning: If you keep up with these sites, your world view will start to diverge from the "standard" (i.e. false) world view. You risk being viewed as a conspiracy theorist or a nut. Danny Sleator Professor of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University Email: sleator@cmu.edu t r u t h o u t | 04.16 Eagleburger: Bush Should be Impeached if He Attacks Syria GO Echoes of Empires Past GO Bomb Before You Buy GO US Troops Encouraged Ransacking GO Reflections on the Battle of Baghdad GO Bush-Hitler Remark Sinks Movie Exec GO 'Fearless' Dean Wins Converts GO What About Private Lori? GO t r u t h o u t - Newsletter Sign-up (Free) : GO Problems with the links? Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ t r u t h o u t | 04.15 William Rivers Pitt | How America Lost the War GO Rout Proves Anti-War Point GO Aftermath: The Bush Doctrine GO Baghdad Seeths With Anger Toward U.S. GO Syria Could Be Next, Warns Washington GO America Targeted 14,000 Sites. So Where Are The WMDs? GO Scandal-Hit US Firm Wins Key Contracts GO Civilisation Torn To Pieces GO Mesopotamia. Babylon. The Tigris and Euphrates GO t r u t h o u t - Newsletter Sign-up (Free) : GO Problems with the links? Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ t r u t h o u t | 04.14 War and Peace: Anarchy in the Streets GO U.S. Marines Exchange Heavy Fire in Central Baghdad GO Pillagers Strip Iraqi Museum of Its Treasure GO Crime Against Humanity GO Garner Waiting For "Last Shot" To Rule Baghdad GO Vanishing Liberties -- Where's the Press? GO Anthrax Source Probably Domestic GO India Mulls 'Pre-Emptive' Pakistan Strike, Cites Iraq War Precedent GO Outspoken Yellowstone Ranger Loses Job GO t r u t h o u t - Newsletter Sign-up (Free) : GO Problems with the links? 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Bocholt >Environment: System: FreeBSD localhost.localhome 4.8-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE #6: Thu Mar 13 23:06:38 CET 2003 root@localhost.localhome:/usr/src/sys/compile/KARGA i386 >Description: Today, I wanted to search the freebsd-hackers list for the term `pkg_version'. When I limited the search to `recent' entries, I got several hits, but none of the entries seemed to contain the searched term. When I unlimitted the search to `all' entries I got no single hit -- not even the hits, the previous limited search found. Modifying the search key to `pkg and version' did not help. >How-To-Repeat: Try to use the http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists to search the freebsd-hackers list for the term `pkg_version'. >Fix: Unknown. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 07:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570EC37B404 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from comp.chem.msu.su (comp-ext.chem.msu.su [158.250.32.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBCA43F3F for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yar@comp.chem.msu.su) Received: from comp.chem.msu.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by comp.chem.msu.su (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3JEinhE064846 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:45:43 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from yar@comp.chem.msu.su) Received: (from yar@localhost) by comp.chem.msu.su (8.12.3p2/8.12.3/Submit) id h3JEin1j064845 for www@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:44:49 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from yar) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:44:49 +0400 From: Yar Tikhiy To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030419144449.GE58952@comp.chem.msu.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Subject: For the project list X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:45:51 -0000 Hello, Would you mind adding the following item to the File System section of the FreeBSD Development Projects page? Thank you! HFS and HFS Plus in FreeBSD. This project is aimed at integrating HFS support from Darwin into FreeBSD. Or shall I commit it by myself? -- Yar From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 10:29:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06A437B401; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F365043FBD; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h3JHTGZK034839; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:23:20 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Yar Tikhiy Message-Id: <20030419012320.0ec8b0f6.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030419144449.GE58952@comp.chem.msu.su> References: <20030419144449.GE58952@comp.chem.msu.su> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: For the project list X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:29:19 -0000 On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:44:49 +0400 Yar Tikhiy wrote: > Hello, > > Would you mind adding the following item to the File System section > of the FreeBSD Development Projects page? Thank you! > > HFS and HFS > Plus in FreeBSD. This project is aimed at integrating > HFS support from Darwin into FreeBSD. > > Or shall I commit it by myself? > Yar, Please feel free to commit this yourself. If you want review, just send me up a patch. Thanks! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 11:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB52837B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stedb.com (pc6.stedb.com [64.144.2.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFDCA43F3F for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n.5296.381679@m.stedb.com) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:40:00 -0400 From: "Lou Dog" To: www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DBM v8.3.1005.381679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20030419184634.EFDCA43F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: re:whats up??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r.5296.381679@m.stedb.com List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:46:36 -0000 whats up with you? havent talked to you in awhile, same thing here pretty much. I am updating some info on the website and need your help. Can you hook me up with some info about your local skateshop and or skatepark? We are still adding skateparks to the list so if yours isnt in there let me know and we will add it. We are also going to start listing skate shops as well and if you can give me info on at least 2 skateshops and 1 skatepark I would really appreciate it. Here is the info I need: Name of Shop: Address/City/State of Shop: Phone Number of Shop: Website Address of Shop: Email Address of Shop: Cool I also just got done redesigning the site, let me know what you think of it. http://www.stedb.com/dbm83/l.php?3175&381679 thanks Louie Baur -------------------------------------------- Switch to HTML version: http://www.stedb.com/dbm83/msgtype.php?type=1&email=381679&emailing=5296 -------------------------------------------- We hope you enjoyed receiving this email, but if you no longer wish to receive our emails please click here: http://www.stedb.com/dbm83/un.php?5296&381679 e