From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 16:58:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F4116A41F for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:58:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FCE43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:58:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so827148wra for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kl16KPuiCoDP/AEoUMHEtgbqF/SbsKl8WKRGWc+NjSe6dd7wAgi4R//UsQS29H+Bl4+BWKj6HOqqcznHGrFO55AiWGKX0W/gPOCCJaocZPcWQNcj+1oD0cU2u6WQUcy4E8/xiAFagqObWKX4mjir1qvX22co5eC/wkr2xYu/aqc= Received: by 10.65.233.6 with SMTP id k6mr4658102qbr; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.21.5 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:58:02 +0800 From: Xin LI To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: delphij@delphij.net List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:58:03 -0000 SGksCgpJcyB0aGVyZSBhbnkgcmVhc29uIHRoYXQgd2UgaGF2ZSBzeXMvaTM4NiBhbmQgbm90IHN5 cy9hcmNoL2kzODY/ICBJCnRoaW5rIHRoZSBsYXR0ZXIgaXMgYSBsb3QgY2xlYW5lciAoYW5kIGxp YnB0aHJlYWQsIGV0Yy4gYWxyZWFkeSBoYXMKdGhlaXIgYXJjaC9bYXJjaF0gZGlyZWN0b3J5IG9u IHRoZSBvdGhlciBoYW5kKS4KCkNoZWVycywKLS0KWGluIExJIDxkZWxwaGlqQGRlbHBoaWoubmV0 PiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmRlbHBoaWoubmV0Cg== From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 18:46:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7C16A41F for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ntplx.net (mail.ntplx.net [204.213.176.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2460343D46 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from sea.ntplx.net (sea.ntplx.net [204.213.176.11]) by mail.ntplx.net (8.13.5/8.13.5/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id jADIk9IC027163; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:46:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:46:09 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen X-X-Sender: eischen@sea.ntplx.net To: delphij@delphij.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Disposition: INLINE X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS and Clam AntiVirus (mail.ntplx.net) Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Eischen List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:46:32 -0000 On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Xin LI wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason that we have sys/i386 and not sys/arch/i386? I > think the latter is a lot cleaner (and libpthread, etc. already has > their arch/[arch] directory on the other hand). FreeBSD started out as 386 only. It probably just wasn't envisioned that we'd have more than just one or two archs. I think this issue has been brought up in the past, and if it causes a lot of pain or repo-bloat, they'll probably be some resistance. -- DE From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 19:17:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B216A41F for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:17:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.csail.mit.edu (khavrinen.csail.mit.edu [128.30.28.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C177643D45 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:17:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.csail.mit.edu (localhost.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]) by khavrinen.csail.mit.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADJGkts019663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK CN=khavrinen.csail.mit.edu issuer=Client+20CA); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:16:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.csail.mit.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id jADJGjqU019662; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:16:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200511131916.jADJGjqU019662@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> To: delphij@delphij.net X-Newsgroups: mit.lcs.mail.freebsd-arch In-Reply-To: Organization: MIT Computer Science & Artificial Intelligence Laboratory X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (khavrinen.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:16:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on khavrinen.csail.mit.edu Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:17:01 -0000 Xin Li writes: >Is there any reason that we have sys/i386 and not sys/arch/i386? I >think the latter is a lot cleaner "I think it's cleaner" is not good enough. What *technical* reason can you come up with to make such a change? Keep in mind that we decided not to do this several years ago, when there were only three platforms to support. Now there are eight, with innumerably more people and scripts used to the current layout. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 03:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1ECC16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:05:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wilkinsa@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687D43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:05:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wilkinsa@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from ednmsw501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednmsw501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id jAE33UNV029078 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:33:30 +1030 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by ednmsw501.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.17) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:35:22 +1030 Received: from fmbex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (fmbex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [146.221.39.230]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAE2whp09180; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:28:44 +1030 (CST) Received: from squash.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.40.212]) by fmbex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VYP93CHN; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:58:41 +1100 Received: from squash.dsto.defence.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squash.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE2wluS019119; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:28:47 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from wilkinsa@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: (from wilkinsa@localhost) by squash.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id jAE2wlSg019118; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:28:47 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from wilkinsa) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:28:47 +1030 From: "Wilkinson, Alex" To: Juergen Dankoweit Message-ID: <20051114025846.GF18187@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mail-Followup-To: Juergen Dankoweit , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:05:38 -0000 0n Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:12:22AM +0100, Juergen Dankoweit wrote: >Hello, > >at the Munich trade fair "Systems 2005" I was asked from a visitor on >which embedded systems FreeBSD is running (I was there to promote >FreeBSD). He give me his vcard and pointed out that he is a developer on >embedded systems. He is very interested in FreeBSD on such systems and >he wants to migrate some applications to that platform. > >I was surprised about this question and the only system that comes in my >mind was "Soekris". > >My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems >FreeBSD runs? > >Many thanks for your answer You may find this insightful: Embedded BSD: A case for BSD in your next embedded system project By Terry Lambert [http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200201/embsd.html] -aW From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 04:28:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D33C16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:28:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC7F43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:28:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE4RhD1009939; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20051113.212821.127949001.imp@bsdimp.com> To: scottl@samsco.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org> References: <15738.1131786948@critter.freebsd.dk> <43762910.3080305@samsco.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:27:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:28:48 -0000 In message: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org> Scott Long writes: : Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: : > In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen : > Dankoweit writes: : > : > : >>My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems : >>FreeBSD runs? : > : > : > Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O : > requirements and there is plenty to pick at. : > : > FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU, : > and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite. : > : > Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not : > a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can : > find a spot for it on our web-pages. : > : : FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM platforms : right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC : platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work. The StrongArm stuff also is in decent shape. The ARM920T core needs glue for the different types of ARM processors by different OEMs. There's some work on the ep9301 in the p4 repo right now which gets at least one eval board working (see http://www.embeddedarm.com/ for the TS7200 and TS7250). Other cores are also in the pipeline. Warner From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 05:09:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB1316A421 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:09:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from BPickles@sbs.com) Received: from mail109.messagelabs.com (mail109.messagelabs.com [216.82.255.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 857E543D46 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:09:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from BPickles@sbs.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: BPickles@sbs.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-109.messagelabs.com!1131944971!35175148!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=sbs.com,-,- X-Originating-IP: [204.255.71.9] Received: (qmail 19870 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 05:09:32 -0000 Received: from user9.sbs.com (HELO CORPMAIL.sbscorp.sbs.com) (204.255.71.9) by server-6.tower-109.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 05:09:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:09:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on embedded systems thread-index: AcXo1AY9bBCOEI2PQXWZAIcuvde21QABO4rQ From: "Bob Pickles" To: "M. Warner Losh" , Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:09:34 -0000 Hi For=20you=20interest,=20I=20have=20implemented=20a=20PMC=20(PCI=20Mezzanin= e=20Card) driver=20for=20one=20of=20our=20products=20for=20a=20French=20company=20ov= er=201=20year ago.=20FreeBSD=20is=20a=20nice=20stable=20platform,=20to=20develop=20with.= There=20are=20many=20Intel=20based=20VME=20and=20cPCI=20system=20Single=20= Board=20Computers in=20the=20market=20place.=20It=20would=20be=20nice=20if=20FreeBSD=20were=20= also=20compatible with=20Power=20PC,=20then=20more=20military=20suppliers=20might=20look=20a= t=20this=20as=20an option. Regards Bob=20Pickles -----Original=20Message----- From:=20owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20M.=20Warner=20= Losh Sent:=2014=20November=202005=2004:28 To:=20scottl@samsco.org Cc:=20phk@phk.freebsd.dk;=20Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20on=20embedded=20systems In=20message:=20<43762910.3080305@samsco.org> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20Scott=20Long=20=20w= rites: :=20Poul-Henning=20Kamp=20wrote: :=20>=20In=20message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>,=20Juergen=20 :=20>=20Dankoweit=20writes: :=20>=20 :=20>=20 :=20>>My=20question=20is=20now:=20is=20there=20an=20overview=20on=20which=20= embedded=20systems :=20>>FreeBSD=20runs? :=20>=20 :=20>=20 :=20>=20Typically=20in=20this=20space,=20people=20select=20hardware=20base= d=20on=20I/O :=20>=20requirements=20and=20there=20is=20plenty=20to=20pick=20at. :=20>=20 :=20>=20FreeBSD=20runs=20on=20pretty=20much=20anything=20with=20an=20i386=20= compatible=20CPU, :=20>=20and=20the=20soekris=20is=20merely=20the=20hackers=20favourite. :=20>=20 :=20>=20Maintaining=20a=20comprehensive=20list=20would=20be=20a=20bit=20of= =20work,=20but=20not :=20>=20a=20lot=20of=20work,=20so=20if=20somebody=20volunteers=20for=20it,= =20I'm=20sure=20we=20can :=20>=20find=20a=20spot=20for=20it=20on=20our=20web-pages. :=20>=20 :=20 :=20FreeBSD=20is=20also=20being=20made=20to=20run=20on=20a=20variety=20of=20= smaller=20ARM platforms :=20right=20now=20like=20the=20ARM920T.=20=20It=20might=20also=20be=20poss= ible=20to=20get=20a=20PPC :=20platform=20like=20the=20405G/440G=20working=20without=20a=20whole=20lo= t=20of=20work. The=20StrongArm=20stuff=20also=20is=20in=20decent=20shape.=20=20The=20ARM9= 20T=20core=20needs glue=20for=20the=20different=20types=20of=20ARM=20processors=20by=20differ= ent=20OEMs. There's=20some=20work=20on=20the=20ep9301=20in=20the=20p4=20repo=20right=20= now=20which=20gets=20at least=20one=20eval=20board=20working=20(see=20http://www.embeddedarm.com/=20= for=20the TS7200=20and=20TS7250).=20=20Other=20cores=20are=20also=20in=20the=20pipel= ine. Warner _______________________________________________ freebsd-arch@freebsd.org=20mailing=20list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch To=20unsubscribe,=20send=20any=20mail=20to=20"freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@fre= ebsd.org" ***This=20message=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20virus,=20spam,=20and=20un= desirable content.*** ***For=20further=20information,=20contact=20your=20mail=20administrator.**= * For=20limitations=20on=20the=20use=20and=20distribution=20of=20this=20mess= age,=20please=20visit=20www.sbs.com/emaildisclaimer. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 05:17:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D820316A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:17:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA6243D55 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:17:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE5Hf4J056906; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <43781E05.6050706@samsco.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:17:57 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050615 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Pickles References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:17:47 -0000 Bob Pickles wrote: > Hi > > For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card) > driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year > ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with. > > There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers > in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible > with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an > option. > > Regards > > Bob Pickles > FreeBSD runs multiuser on the Mac G3 and G4 platforms right now. Translating that into running on a PPC 405G or 440G or similar SOC system would probably take a couple of months of writing the appropriate glue code and bootstrap and porting some drivers. I'd very much like to see this be done, but it's not something that I have the cycles to in my free time. Scott From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 05:32:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A55916A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:32:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6B243D45 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:32:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE4U24W009956; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:30:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20051113.213041.53817299.imp@bsdimp.com> To: delphij@delphij.net, delphij@gmail.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:30:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:32:19 -0000 In message: Xin LI writes: : Is there any reason that we have sys/i386 and not sys/arch/i386? I : think the latter is a lot cleaner (and libpthread, etc. already has : their arch/[arch] directory on the other hand). This discussion is 10 years too late. There would be a huge amount of repo-churn that would happen. Also, the inevitible bikeshed happens about totally reorganizing the kernel, which inevitably ends inconclusively. I'd personally love to see it, but it would be extremely disruptive. Warner From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 05:45:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DAF16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:45:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACC443D45 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:45:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE5ivbh057054; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:45:12 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050615 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <20051113.213041.53817299.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20051113.213041.53817299.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: delphij@gmail.com, delphij@delphij.net, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:45:16 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: > Xin LI writes: > : Is there any reason that we have sys/i386 and not sys/arch/i386? I > : think the latter is a lot cleaner (and libpthread, etc. already has > : their arch/[arch] directory on the other hand). > > This discussion is 10 years too late. There would be a huge amount of > repo-churn that would happen. Also, the inevitible bikeshed happens > about totally reorganizing the kernel, which inevitably ends > inconclusively. > > I'd personally love to see it, but it would be extremely disruptive. > > Warner Well, it should have been done with alpha was added in 1998, so it's only 7 years too late =-) If we were to ever restart the repo like we did with ncvs for FreeBSD 2.0, it could be done. Otherwise, it is too much pain and churn. Scott From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 08:47:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4100216A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:47:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DC543D67 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:47:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t10so1592055wxc for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a7Dg5RXAwNKItOveDtXQNB5j899af8DnWFrbfPZsKXQ3kAWpnpVsEnFTqxUHrHTho4+swgAj/CV0kr29pBXfqnDzzYXDhL+oS82sVtRi+JVwCFasgNJIEDEaXp6OckvEhGU0rnvZO2xdUoWLITihJ4kPkaztDclbL6MBUUC3yoc= Received: by 10.65.20.6 with SMTP id x6mr3279939qbi; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.21.5 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:53 -0800 From: Xin LI To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051113.213041.53817299.imp@bsdimp.com> <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: delphij@delphij.net List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:47:54 -0000 T24gMTEvMTMvMDUsIFNjb3R0IExvbmcgPHNjb3R0bEBzYW1zY28ub3JnPiB3cm90ZToKW3NuaXBd Cj4gV2VsbCwgaXQgc2hvdWxkIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBkb25lIHdpdGggYWxwaGEgd2FzIGFkZGVkIGlu IDE5OTgsIHNvIGl0J3MKPiBvbmx5IDcgeWVhcnMgdG9vIGxhdGUgPS0pICBJZiB3ZSB3ZXJlIHRv IGV2ZXIgcmVzdGFydCB0aGUgcmVwbyBsaWtlIHdlCj4gZGlkIHdpdGggbmN2cyBmb3IgRnJlZUJT RCAyLjAsIGl0IGNvdWxkIGJlIGRvbmUuICBPdGhlcndpc2UsIGl0IGlzCgoKVGhhbmtzIGZvciB0 aGUgZXhwbGFpbmF0aW9uLgoKQlRXLiBTaGFsbCBoYXZpbmcgYXJjaC9mb28gZm9yIG5ldyBsaWJy YXJpZXMgYmUgY29uc2lkZXJlZCBwcmVmZXJyZWQsCmlmIHRoZXkgaGF2ZSBNRCBjb2RlPwoKQ2hl ZXJzLAotLQpYaW4gTEkgPGRlbHBoaWpAZGVscGhpai5uZXQ+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZGVscGhpai5u ZXQK From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 10:01:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DAE16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:01:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nyan@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from watery.cc.kogakuin.ac.jp (watery.cc.kogakuin.ac.jp [133.80.152.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C3D43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:01:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nyan@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by watery.cc.kogakuin.ac.jp (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEA0XKi056648; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:00:36 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from nyan@jp.FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:00:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051114.190017.41685059.nyan@jp.FreeBSD.org> To: scottl@samsco.org From: Takahashi Yoshihiro In-Reply-To: <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> References: <20051113.213041.53817299.imp@bsdimp.com> <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: delphij@delphij.net, delphij@gmail.com, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:01:09 -0000 In article <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> Scott Long writes: > > This discussion is 10 years too late. There would be a huge amount of > > repo-churn that would happen. Also, the inevitible bikeshed happens > > about totally reorganizing the kernel, which inevitably ends > > inconclusively. > > > > I'd personally love to see it, but it would be extremely disruptive. > > > > Warner > > Well, it should have been done with alpha was added in 1998, so it's > only 7 years too late =-) pc98 was added in 1996 :) --- TAKAHASHI Yoshihiro From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 12:02:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3679416A41F; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from mailout2.pacific.net.au (mailout2.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0075A43D55; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (mailproxy2.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.87]) by mailout2.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAEC22o0017998; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:02:02 +1100 Received: from katana.zip.com.au (katana.zip.com.au [61.8.7.246]) by mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAEC20Rg001364; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:02:01 +1100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:02:00 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: bde@delplex.bde.org To: Daniel Eischen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051114223340.Y85346@delplex.bde.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: delphij@delphij.net, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:24 -0000 On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Daniel Eischen wrote: >> Is there any reason that we have sys/i386 and not sys/arch/i386? I >> think the latter is a lot cleaner (and libpthread, etc. already has >> their arch/[arch] directory on the other hand). I think the former is a lot cleaner. > FreeBSD started out as 386 only. It probably just wasn't envisioned > that we'd have more than just one or two archs. FreeBSD-1 started with Net/2 which has numerous arches. I'm not sure exactly what was in Net/2, but in 4.3-reno /sys is: GENERIC.alltahoe/ machine@ tahoedist/ GENERIC.allvax/ mdec/ tahoeif/ cassette/ net/ tahoemath/ conf/ netimp/ tahoestand/ consolerl/ netinet/ tahoevba/ floppy/ netiso/ ufs/ hp300/ netns/ vax/ hpdev/ netrmp/ vaxbi/ hpstand/ nfs/ vaxdist/ hpux/ stand/ vaxif/ i386/ sys/ vaxmba/ kdb/ tahoe/ vaxstand/ kern/ tahoealign/ vaxuba/ More than half the directories here are arch-related, but there seem to be only 3 arches with full support: hp300, tahoe and vax. The directory tree was even flatter, with no important subdirs. The hp300 directory was amazingly simple and clean: DOC/ cons.h kgdb_stub.c oc_cksum.s trap.c Locore.c cpu.h locore.s pcb.h trap.h TODO dkbad.c machdep.c psl.h ufs_machdep.c autoconf.c endian.h machlimits.h pte.h vectors.s clock.c float.h machparam.h reg.h vm_machdep.c clockioctl.h frame.h machtypes.h swapgeneric.c vmparam.h clockreg.h genassym.c mem.c symbols.sort conf.c in_cksum.c mtpr.h sys_machdep.c cons.c isr.h ns_cksum.c tags FreeBSD-2 started with 4.4BSD which has numerous arches: compile/ isofs/ net/ nfs/ sys/ conf/ kern/ netccitt/ pmax/ tahoe/ dev/ libkern/ netinet/ scripts/ tests/ hp/ luna68k/ netiso/ sparc/ ufs/ hp300/ mips@ netns/ stand/ vax/ i386/ miscfs/ news3400/ stand.att/ vm/ Net/2 is actually more like this than 4.3-reno. Here there are 8 supported arches: hp300, i386, luna68k news3400, pmax, sparc, tahoe and vax. I think only the older arches are fully supported here. FreeBSD didn't import most of this, including for i386's -- it got working i386 support from 386BSD via FreeBSD-1. > I think this issue has been brought up in the past, and if it causes > a lot of pain or repo-bloat, they'll probably be some resistance. It would only cause 100 times as much pain and repo-bloat as when it was brought up ~10 years ago. Bruce From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 12:35:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB8C16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:35:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rink@beastie.il.fontys.nl) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C870343D49 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:35:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rink@beastie.il.fontys.nl) Received: by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 54D99A3053; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:35:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.il.fontys.nl (mail.il.fontys.nl [IPv6:2001:4128:1000:1000::7]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A370BA3041; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:35:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.il.fontys.nl (Postfix/VSRI) with ESMTP id 10ECB17052; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:39:07 +0100 (CET) Received-Locally: from mail.il.fontys.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sukke.il.fontys.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68590-10; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:39:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from beastie.il.fontys.nl (beastie.il.fontys.nl [194.26.13.37]) by mail.il.fontys.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:39:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by beastie.il.fontys.nl (Postfix, from userid 1678) id 64FB32844D; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:35:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:35:18 +0100 From: Rink Springer To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051114123518.GD75342@il.fontys.nl> References: <20051106222359.GC46752@stack.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051106222359.GC46752@stack.nl> X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://rink.nu/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at il.fontys.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on vaak.stack.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: ed@fxq.nl Subject: Re: FreeBSD/xbox: updated 7.0 patchset X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:35:22 -0000 --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, > [xbox patches] For your information: Warner (imp@) commited this some time ago now, thanks! It's in HEAD now :-) The actual commit can be found at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/conf/XBOX. I've got a patch set up for NOTES to inform people about the XBOX options, per Warner's request. It can be found at=20 http://rink.nu/downloads/xbox-patches/NOTES.diff. For some reason, Warner doesn't seem to receive some of my mails (over-enthoisiastic spam filtering perhaps?), which is why I'll post this mini-patch here. As a status update, I've got a syscons(4)-ized version of the framebuffer working. It's very kludgy and not yet ready; for some reason, it doesn't yet work as a kernel console (when I enable this, by forcing isa/syscons_isa.c to return my xboxfb driver for syscons, it initializes fine but freezes afterwards)... Who is the syscons(4) guru around here who can give me some pointers on syscon's bootup behaviour? :-) --=20 Rink P.W. Springer - http://rink.nu "God, root, what is difference?" - Pitr, Userfriendly --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDeISGb3O60uztv/8RAjMiAJ4rpmbiHG6ESIhvqkKWQRDD/JDfNgCffubG 62Qca1nWa4fqrDDPBwR6teM= =z/27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 13:33:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D63116A440 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:33:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ntplx.net (mail.ntplx.net [204.213.176.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A87B43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:33:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from sea.ntplx.net (sea.ntplx.net [204.213.176.11]) by mail.ntplx.net (8.13.5/8.13.5/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id jAEDXHwq008879; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:33:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:33:17 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen X-X-Sender: eischen@sea.ntplx.net To: Bob Pickles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS and Clam AntiVirus (mail.ntplx.net) Cc: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Eischen List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:33:33 -0000 On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Bob Pickles wrote: > Hi > > For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card) > driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year > ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with. > > There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers > in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible > with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an > option. Yes, one thing we lack is a VME bus driver for the Tundra I/II chipset. VME is still popular in military and industrial control applications. -- DE From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 16:15:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDC816A41F; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from BPickles@sbs.com) Received: from mail122.messagelabs.com (mail132.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC4343D46; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from BPickles@sbs.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: BPickles@sbs.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-132.messagelabs.com!1131984904!32335278!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=sbs.com,-,- X-Originating-IP: [204.255.71.9] Received: (qmail 10033 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from user9.sbs.com (HELO CORPMAIL.sbscorp.sbs.com) (204.255.71.9) by server-15.tower-132.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 16:15:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:15:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on embedded systems thread-index: AcXpIATJZhXm7qK0TAicqn0ZFzybwgAFhB2w From: "Bob Pickles" To: "Daniel Eischen" Cc: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:07 -0000 Daniel That=20would=20be=20an=20interesting=20project.=20I=20did=20a=20Tundra=20I= I=20 QNX=20driver=20for=20one=20of=20our=20SBCs=20with=20an=20Intel=20processor= ,=20but=20again PPC=20is=20not=20a=20big=20issue=20here. What=20would=20be=20the=20interest=20in=20the=20community=20for=20such=20a= =20development? I=20need=20to=20justify=20everything=20that=20I=20work=20on,=20as=20I=20am= =20fully=20loaded most=20of=20the=20year. However,=20it's=20an=20interesting=20thought... Regards Bob -----Original=20Message----- From:=20Daniel=20Eischen=20[mailto:deischen@freebsd.org]=20 Sent:=2014=20November=202005=2013:33 To:=20Bob=20Pickles Cc:=20M.=20Warner=20Losh;=20scottl@samsco.org;=20phk@phk.freebsd.dk; Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de;=20freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject:=20RE:=20FreeBSD=20on=20embedded=20systems On=20Sun,=2013=20Nov=202005,=20Bob=20Pickles=20wrote: >=20Hi > >=20For=20you=20interest,=20I=20have=20implemented=20a=20PMC=20(PCI=20Mezz= anine=20Card) >=20driver=20for=20one=20of=20our=20products=20for=20a=20French=20company=20= over=201=20year >=20ago.=20FreeBSD=20is=20a=20nice=20stable=20platform,=20to=20develop=20w= ith. > >=20There=20are=20many=20Intel=20based=20VME=20and=20cPCI=20system=20Singl= e=20Board=20Computers >=20in=20the=20market=20place.=20It=20would=20be=20nice=20if=20FreeBSD=20w= ere=20also=20compatible >=20with=20Power=20PC,=20then=20more=20military=20suppliers=20might=20look= =20at=20this=20as=20an >=20option. Yes,=20one=20thing=20we=20lack=20is=20a=20VME=20bus=20driver=20for=20the=20= Tundra=20I/II chipset.=20=20VME=20is=20still=20popular=20in=20military=20and=20industria= l control=20applications. --=20 DE ***This=20message=20has=20been=20scanned=20for=20virus,=20spam,=20and=20un= desirable content.*** ***For=20further=20information,=20contact=20your=20mail=20administrator.**= * For=20limitations=20on=20the=20use=20and=20distribution=20of=20this=20mess= age,=20please=20visit=20www.sbs.com/emaildisclaimer. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 16:58:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ABF16A41F; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:58:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5C143D68; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:58:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEGuQgq020865; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:57:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20051114.095705.110293685.imp@bsdimp.com> To: BPickles@sbs.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:56:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: deischen@freebsd.org, Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:58:57 -0000 In message: "Bob Pickles" writes: : Daniel : : That would be an interesting project. I did a Tundra II : QNX driver for one of our SBCs with an Intel processor, but again : PPC is not a big issue here. : : What would be the interest in the community for such a development? : : I need to justify everything that I work on, as I am fully loaded : most of the year. : : However, it's an interesting thought... : : Regards : : Bob : : : -----Original Message----- : From: Daniel Eischen [mailto:deischen@freebsd.org] : Sent: 14 November 2005 13:33 : To: Bob Pickles : Cc: M. Warner Losh; scottl@samsco.org; phk@phk.freebsd.dk; : Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org : Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems : : On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Bob Pickles wrote: : : > Hi : > : > For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card) : > driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year : > ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with. : > : > There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers : > in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible : > with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an : > option. : : Yes, one thing we lack is a VME bus driver for the Tundra I/II : chipset. VME is still popular in military and industrial : control applications. I've looked at Tundra II driver for a potential data collection project that needed VME cards, but that never happened... Didn't look too hard to do, but since that project never happened, no work was ever done on it beyond the exploritory stages. Warner From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 20:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC64B16A41F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDA443D94 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:20:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E98E2A975 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52210E2B5 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEKKcQB033080; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jAEKKYIF033076; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: overcee.wemm.org: peter set sender to peter@wemm.org using -f From: Peter Wemm To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, delphij@delphij.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:20:33 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <43782468.2090609@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511141220.34035.peter@wemm.org> Cc: Subject: Re: RFC: Why not move kernel MD code to sys/arch/? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:21:01 -0000 On Monday 14 November 2005 12:47 am, Xin LI wrote: > On 11/13/05, Scott Long wrote: > [snip] > > > Well, it should have been done with alpha was added in 1998, so > > it's only 7 years too late =-) If we were to ever restart the repo > > like we did with ncvs for FreeBSD 2.0, it could be done. > > Otherwise, it is > > Thanks for the explaination. > > BTW. Shall having arch/foo for new libraries be considered preferred, > if they have MD code? I personally hate it. libpthread etc drive me crazy because they use this. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 15 18:20:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2E616A420 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [83.167.185.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FD143D45 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95DD65410; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 63837-06-8; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (unknown [82.109.212.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0B765213; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31F056B3E; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:42:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:42:36 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Bob Pickles Message-ID: <20051114114235.GA1100@empiric.icir.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:05 -0000 On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 10:09:31PM -0700, Bob Pickles wrote: > For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card) > driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year > ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with. This is very cool. I look forward to being able to run FreeBSD on a cPCI chassis for one very strong reason: cPCI has geographical PCI addressing support. If we had a clean way of using this to number network interfaces, even better -- it's been a bone of contention with router control plane software (i.e. XORP) for a while. BMS From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 00:27:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D3B16A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:27:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snort_sam@yahoo.com) Received: from web50414.mail.yahoo.com (web50414.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B66C343D46 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:27:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snort_sam@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2232 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 00:27:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K5H9YrY1kxXIxoL/1S0iAQ7AttwWLTKUxgwSHW6l8hvnaZeDKjPUK4P7cJOLutHGVjDh7DzBCDlhzIJYI2ezfNDUlnh2wvBfF2Fth8JGZ6bmDepxp3pVZkRXJwMhBoIX9f408niOtstgntkhA38O/T6KWlpH7B2m93dFkeBwSt0= ; Message-ID: <20051116002745.2230.qmail@web50414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.86.1] by web50414.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:27:45 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bsderss To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051113.212821.127949001.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:27:47 -0000 "M. Warner Losh" wrote: In message: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org> Scott Long writes: : Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: : > In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen : > Dankoweit writes: : > : > : >>My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems : >>FreeBSD runs? : > : > : > Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O : > requirements and there is plenty to pick at. : > : > FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU, : > and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite. : > : > Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not : > a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can : > find a spot for it on our web-pages. : > : : FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM platforms : right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC : platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work. The StrongArm stuff also is in decent shape. The ARM920T core needs glue for the different types of ARM processors by different OEMs. There's some work on the ep9301 in the p4 repo right now which gets at least one eval board working (see http://www.embeddedarm.com/ for the TS7200 and TS7250). Other cores are also in the pipeline. They are nice board. But I guess my project doesn't need USB ports. Do you think its price can be under $100 USD eg. $80USD without built-in USB ports? Sam. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 19 12:37:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0896116A422; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:37:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Juergen.Dankoweit@t-online.de) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBE143D6E; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:37:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Juergen.Dankoweit@t-online.de) Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdRxk-00034U-00; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:37:00 +0100 Received: from mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (rCXoXBZQZeBN5kMWCqXJem2eaW+OdftoNyhzUriV2wJh78QDOzQIk9@[84.150.114.22]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdRxW-1gggPQ0; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from localhost.juergendankoweit.net (localhost.juergendankoweit.net [127.0.0.1]) by mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA1534063; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (localhost.juergendankoweit.net [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.juergendankoweit.net (AvMailGate-2.0.2-9) id 02347-3745688F; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:45 +0100 Received: from primergy470.juergendankoweit.net (primergy470.juergendankoweit.net [192.168.1.1]) by mailsmtp.juergendankoweit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F1434062; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:45 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Dankoweit To: Bob Pickles In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1132403804.1376.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.2-9; AVE: 6.32.0.58; VDF: 6.32.0.199; host: primergy470.juergendankoweit.net) X-ID: rCXoXBZQZeBN5kMWCqXJem2eaW+OdftoNyhzUriV2wJh78QDOzQIk9 X-TOI-MSGID: b9ac6957-87a5-4c7a-a24e-a16717513927 Cc: Daniel Eischen , phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:37:52 -0000 Hello to all, sorry for my later answer. Many thanks to all the interesting points. I think I will create a flyer which lists the information you gave me. I think it will be available at the German CeBit in March. I found on Amazon a book about the topic: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1589950046/028-0124367-0906970 Many thanks again for the hints. Best regards J=C3=BCrgen From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 19 23:32:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF59716A41F; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:32:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from samwun@telpacific.com.au) Received: from amailsyd.tel-pacific.com (amailsyd.tel-pacific.com [203.88.255.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083DF43D45; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:32:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from samwun@telpacific.com.au) Received: from [203.122.113.174] (helo=[10.0.0.3]) by amailsyd.tel-pacific.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1EdcC5-0003uU-7v; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:32:30 +1100 Message-ID: <437FB616.1060905@telpacific.com.au> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:32:38 +1100 From: sam User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de References: <1132403804.1376.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> In-Reply-To: <1132403804.1376.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Daniel Eischen , phk@phk.freebsd.dk, Bob Pickles , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:32:55 -0000 Juergen Dankoweit wrote: >Hello to all, > >sorry for my later answer. >Many thanks to all the interesting points. I think I will create a >flyer which lists the information you gave me. I think it will be >available at the German CeBit in March. > >I found on Amazon a book about the topic: >http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1589950046/028-0124367-0906970 > >Many thanks again for the hints. > >Best regards > >Jürgen > > > Hi, What embedded hardware to you think is available in the market suitable for TinyBSD? Thanks Sam