From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 10 12:57:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68BC16A420 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:57:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F1343D49 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:57:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (vol75-8-82-233-239-98.fbx.proxad.net [82.233.239.98]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4E417348A; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0CAA0405C; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:57 +0200 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Message-ID: <20050810125757.GJ45385@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <42F976E8.60008@bomar.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: jeremie@le-hen.org, Christian Kratzer , Bob Bomar , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long Uptime X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:57:47 -0000 > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Bob Bomar wrote: > > > I have a machine that is about to turn 700 days > > uptime, and I have no plans on rebooting it any > > time soon. I just wanted to see if there was > > any infomation from the machine that anybody > > wanted. > > Well, I think there are enough people around with nnn days uptime (for > nnn > 500). > I myself can think of a handfull of internal machines with such an uptime. > > In case you are interested in FreeBSD uptimes see for example: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2003-August/000225.html And today, do you think this machine has an uptime of 2738 days ? :-) I dare to Cc Christian Kratzer to ask him. Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 10 13:10:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE3C16A41F for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ck@cksoft.de) Received: from mx11.cksoft.de (mx11.cksoft.de [62.111.66.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAF043D46 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:10:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ck@cksoft.de) Received: from vesihiisi.cksoft.de (unknown [192.168.64.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx12.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD2FB85B; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vesihiisi.cksoft.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vesihiisi.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7A81EAB; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by vesihiisi.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75DB51F26; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vesihiisi.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7407F1EB5; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Kratzer To: Jeremie Le Hen In-Reply-To: <20050810125757.GJ45385@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> Message-ID: <20050810150623.C97974@vesihiisi.cksoft.de> References: <42F976E8.60008@bomar.us> <20050810125757.GJ45385@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> X-Spammer-Kill-Ratio: 75% MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS cksoft-s20020300-20031204bz on vesihiisi.cksoft.de Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Bob Bomar , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long Uptime X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:10:35 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Bob Bomar wrote: >> >>> I have a machine that is about to turn 700 days >>> uptime, and I have no plans on rebooting it any >>> time soon. I just wanted to see if there was >>> any infomation from the machine that anybody >>> wanted. >> >> Well, I think there are enough people around with nnn days uptime (for >> nnn > 500). >> I myself can think of a handfull of internal machines with such an uptime. >> >> In case you are interested in FreeBSD uptimes see for example: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2003-August/000225.html > > And today, do you think this machine has an uptime of 2738 days ? :-) Congrats ;-) > I dare to Cc Christian Kratzer to ask him. sadly the machine in question died sometime ago of a power glitch. It came right back up after massaging the power cord but was subseqeuntly replaced by the customer in question with a penguin the believe to be able to administer themselves ... I do not remember how much uptime it had in the end. I'll let you know if I remember. We are thinking of getting a box with dual PSU setup somewhere with good power and going for it again but it'l take time and a good release ;-) Greetings Christian -- Christian Kratzer ck@cksoft.de CK Software GmbH http://www.cksoft.de/ Phone: +49 7452 889 135 Fax: +49 7452 889 136 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 12 23:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9F616A41F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:08:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from opusnet.com (mail.opusnet.com [209.210.200.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E792C43D45 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:08:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from localhost.localhost [70.98.246.232] by opusnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id ABF4BB4300F0; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:08:36 -0700 Received: from localhost.localhost (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CNBFM8037256; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7CNBAUM037253; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) To: Nikolas Britton References: <20050811191817.GA22328@beatrix.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20050812110041.GA28053@beatrix.daedalusnetworks.priv> From: garys@opusnet.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:11:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Nikolas Britton's message of "Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:40:16 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Jumbo Shrimp, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:08:41 -0000 Nikolas Britton writes: > On 8/12/05, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >> Nikolas Britton writes: >> >> > Like what? >> >> Like the indemnification clause in >> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html >> >> One can limit their exposure to such risks by accessing such services >> as read-only services, except for their normal SMTP services which, >> AFAIK, are covered only by implied licenses with no indemnification. >> I hope. > > I'm sure you'd find that in any type of web service. In any type, probably, but not in every service; I've found several e-mail service providers (two free) without indemnification clauses. Unfortunately, I can't find a single domain name supplier, except there are probably some outside the United States of Attorneys. > Say if I > disclosed, under an NDA, the code that SCO claims was stolen and put > into Linux using Google's Gmail service and then SCO turns around and > sues google for posting the message, because they have deeper pockets > then I. Google has nothing to do with this other then being the > intermedium, I'm the one that did the damage. And let's also say that you were 100% innocent. Google can still have you pay for the most expensive legal firm they could find to take depositions, argue about source code in hearings and court, etc, before SCO lost their case. Now I wouldn't care whether Google or you accepted the risk, except that because there are so many people willing to assume companies' risks of doing business, it's becoming more-and-more difficult for us who aren't willing, to find companies who include such risks into their other costs of doing business, thus providing a form of insurance for the public. My insurance guy, BTW, says there is no personal insurance to cover such indemnification. Your home serves as that insurance. > It's standard corporate risk management. It's becoming that. But a few years ago most sites didn't even have contracts but they're getting more common and much longer. (Pay Pal had the worst one I've seen; a huge thing with links to several more to be included by reference.) But note that many sites, including www.google.com, still don't have indemnification clauses. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 13 17:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57D216A41F for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:56:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DC243D48 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:56:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so749365wra for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:56:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XxkIbuc/pFHCe1B2O8aY2a1aKSssksm4ptBp+Cb1S/o683iybIWbjfjWzYFw1/4XTWh0fXvHQdBK8408BhjZCUvi9h/yi8ZrQjO8tzxDNoLpcRnfwhWlO3t2T30jG1d27FgEGs/3/EqryXNsVMhaPEJg4WmENdPX2qcIs9CA2ic= Received: by 10.54.27.52 with SMTP id a52mr2637863wra; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.11 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:56:46 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: "Gary W. Swearingen" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050811191817.GA22328@beatrix.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20050812110041.GA28053@beatrix.daedalusnetworks.priv> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:56:48 -0000 On 8/12/05, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Nikolas Britton writes: >=20 > > On 8/12/05, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > >> Nikolas Britton writes: > >> > >> > Like what? > >> > >> Like the indemnification clause in > >> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html > >> > >> One can limit their exposure to such risks by accessing such services > >> as read-only services, except for their normal SMTP services which, > >> AFAIK, are covered only by implied licenses with no indemnification. > >> I hope. > > > > I'm sure you'd find that in any type of web service. >=20 > In any type, probably, but not in every service; I've found several > e-mail service providers (two free) without indemnification clauses. > Unfortunately, I can't find a single domain name supplier, except > there are probably some outside the United States of Attorneys. >=20 > > Say if I > > disclosed, under an NDA, the code that SCO claims was stolen and put > > into Linux using Google's Gmail service and then SCO turns around and > > sues google for posting the message, because they have deeper pockets > > then I. Google has nothing to do with this other then being the > > intermedium, I'm the one that did the damage. >=20 > And let's also say that you were 100% innocent. Google can still > have you pay for the most expensive legal firm they could find to > take depositions, argue about source code in hearings and court, etc, > before SCO lost their case. It unenforceable from Google's perspective because they don't know me from Adam and click through contracts are questionable at best, the person you are talking to may not even exist in the real world, they could be a minor, someone could have stolen my identity and use it to sign up with gmail, and a million other reasons.