From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 31 15:14:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDCC16A41F for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:14:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wagnerr@zoomtown.com) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C243F43D46 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:14:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wagnerr@zoomtown.com) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([216.196.198.15]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050731151406.EKMV4201.smtp1.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:14:06 -0400 Received: from raymond ([216.196.198.15]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050731151406.UQXH28255.gx6.fuse.net@raymond> for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:14:06 -0400 From: "Raymond Wagner" To: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:13:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWV4mHeE6rgn6sJRS6j5fGcybTwXg== Message-Id: <20050731151406.UQXH28255.gx6.fuse.net@raymond> Subject: SATA Hotswap X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:14:08 -0000 I am using a Promise SATA150TX4 SATA controller card (non-raid) on an FreeBSD 5.4 system. I have two hard drives in hot-swap bays and cannot successfully hot-swap the drives. I can unmount the drive, issue an ata detach on the channel ("atacontrol detach 6"), pull the drive, and the drive is no longer visable. I can then reinsert the drive, reattach the channel ("atacontrol attach 6"), remount the volume, and I can read the data on the drive again. The problem is that whenever I do this, I will get a kernel panic page fault several hours later. It only happens when I try to remove the drive, and it always happens when I try to remove a drive. Am I doing something wrong? Or is SATA not actually hot-swappable like it is advertised as? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 31 14:33:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A17E16A41F for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:33:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tpen0010@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay105-f20.bay105.hotmail.com [65.54.224.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C1F43D45 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:33:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tpen0010@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:33:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.224.200] X-Originating-Email: [tpen0010@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tpen0010@hotmail.com From: "Michael Roberts" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:33:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2005 14:33:32.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3D284A0:01C595DC] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:17:00 +0000 Subject: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:33:33 -0000 hi, i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. issue is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary (half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to do. e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to tab-complete it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the completed path shows up in the terminal. the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that matters... which it probably doesn't... my info: drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running 5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it didn't. this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the other partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said it only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. thanks! From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 12:27:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D5916A41F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from will@lawcommunications.co.uk) Received: from atlas.net.uk (mailhost.atlas.co.uk [195.54.226.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E9B43D45 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:27:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from will@lawcommunications.co.uk) Received: from [217.158.73.44] (HELO vauxhall) by atlas.net.uk (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 117941571; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:27:08 +0100 From: "William Wager" To: "'Michael Roberts'" , Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:27:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWWkvM6NV+6l26GS3mlaHfRq0xYkAAAN73g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Cc: Subject: RE: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:27:11 -0000 Hi, In my experience this normally means the hard drive is crying for help and is having a slow painful death. I would back-up any important data right away (but you do this already right?) and start thinking about replacing the drive. You can always try some HDD diag apps to see if it's reporting any problems. Regards, William -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts Sent: 31 July 2005 15:34 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve hi, i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. issue is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary (half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to do. e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to tab-complete it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the completed path shows up in the terminal. the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that matters... which it probably doesn't... my info: drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running 5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it didn't. this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the other partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said it only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. thanks! _______________________________________________ freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 13:19:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411F716A41F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:19:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5377A43D45 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:19:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 18045 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:19:15 -0000 Received: from maxwell6.pacific.net.sg (203.120.90.212) by smtpgate2 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:19:15 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([210.24.246.110]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20050801131914.HDFJ1233.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.107]>; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:19:14 +0800 Message-ID: <42EE2141.608@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:18:57 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050801) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Roberts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0000 Hi, Michael Roberts wrote: > > the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that > matters... which it probably doesn't... > It is normally the last tune of a hard disk. > > this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the > other partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like > i said it only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is > therefore tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. > It looks like the bad sectors are not in the Windows partition but in the FreeBSD's. I only have had once a hard disk which made 5 more years after some kind of noise started. Erich From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 15:17:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11FA16A41F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:17:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marco.goncalves@waynext.com) Received: from ns2.waynext.com (mail.waynext.com [81.92.195.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873743D53 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:16:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marco.goncalves@waynext.com) Received: (qmail 29857 invoked by uid 1009); 1 Aug 2005 15:20:39 -0000 Received: from 213.22.87.242 by ns2.waynext.com (envelope-from , uid 1008) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.85.1/998. spamassassin: 3.0.2. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. Clear:RC:0(213.22.87.242):SA:0(-2.5/5.0):. 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Processed in 3.624852 secs Process 29846) Received: from a213-22-87-242.cpe.netcabo.pt (HELO marco) (marco.goncalves@waynext.com@213.22.87.242) by ns2.waynext.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 15:20:35 -0000 Message-ID: <016501c596ae$0efc9f80$3000a8c0@marco> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marco_Gon=E7alves?= To: "Michael Roberts" , References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Cc: Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:17:01 -0000 Hello 1 - backups are good 2 - try installing /ports/sysutils/smartmontools and enable SMART on BIOS to check out the disk Best regards, Marco Gonįalves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Roberts" To: Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve > hi, > > i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. issue > is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is trying > to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary (half or > quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to do. e.g., if i > type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to tab-complete it, i hear a > little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the completed path shows up > in the terminal. > > the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that matters... > which it probably doesn't... > > my info: > > drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. > running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running > 5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it > didn't. > > this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the other > partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said it > only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore > tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. > > anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. > > thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 16:51:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EA716A41F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:51:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfan@nurfuerspam.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 085FE43D4C for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:51:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfan@nurfuerspam.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Aug 2005 16:51:39 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-083-238-091.arcor-ip.net (EHLO [127.0.0.1]) [82.83.238.91] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 01 Aug 2005 18:51:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #931807 Message-ID: <42EE531B.1060704@nurfuerspam.de> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:51:39 +0200 From: Markus Dolze User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Roberts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:51:42 -0000 Michael Roberts wrote: > i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. > issue is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system > is trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a > momentary (half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was > trying to do. e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try > to tab-complete it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, > before the completed path shows up in the terminal. I once had a IBM hard drive which made such a noise right from the beginning. According to the support people this was "normal" with that series of drives. However, I finally persuaded my supplier to have this drive replaced with one from another vendor. I couldn't have a drive in my PC which brings me cold sweat every day. As the others I recommend smartmontools and perhaps do a check with some "drive fitness test" tools from WD. Markus From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 17:07:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCA816A41F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:07:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: from neptune.atopia.net (neptune.atopia.net [209.128.231.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99CF43D46 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:07:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix, from userid 1034) id 3EDF26179; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:07:23 -0400 From: Dan Ponte To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:07:24 -0000 On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 10:33:32AM -0400, Michael Roberts was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > hi, > > i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. issue > is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is > trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary > (half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to do. > e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to tab-complete > it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the completed > path shows up in the terminal. > > the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that matters... > which it probably doesn't... > > my info: > > drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. > running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running > 5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it > didn't. > > this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the other > partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said it > only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore > tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. > > anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. > > thanks! I'd like to chime in here as well. I have a drive that does the exact same thing, although it is a few years old (a WD200 20GB). Smartmontools, however, reports nothing out of the ordinary. And the clicks don't happen as often. They usually only do happen, however, under heavy disk IO (such as during the daily runs). I really should get the drive out of there and purchase another, but I'm a tad strapped for cash as it is. I've seen this happen with quite a few other WD drives, as well, though haven't observed in detail to the extent that I do now. -Dan -- Dan Ponte http://www.theamigan.net/ Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell you, "There's a time for work and a time for play," never find the time for play? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 17:50:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EE016A420 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:50:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jpk@gmx.org) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6D2443D48 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:50:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jpk@gmx.org) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Aug 2005 17:50:16 -0000 Received: from MOT02026.swm.uni-mannheim.de (EHLO [192.168.1.5]) [134.155.24.41] by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 01 Aug 2005 19:50:16 +0200 X-Authenticated: #10742085 Message-ID: <42EE60AE.8060003@gmx.org> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:49:34 +0200 From: JP Klodzinski User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050722) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Ponte References: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> In-Reply-To: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:50:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hi, its funny to hear this. I have a new WD Scorpio. An there it is normal, it depends from the firmware. As i can remember there was some time ago an firmware update for this issue. If i'm right the sound occured when the heads are leaving the parkingposition. But play it safe and make an backup, i did it! ;) regards Jerome Dan Ponte wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 10:33:32AM -0400, Michael Roberts was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > >>hi, >> >>i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. issue >>is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is >>trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary >>(half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to do. >>e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to tab-complete >>it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the completed >>path shows up in the terminal. >> >>the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that matters... >>which it probably doesn't... >> >>my info: >> >>drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. >>running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running >>5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it >>didn't. >> >>this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the other >>partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said it >>only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore >>tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. >> >>anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. >> >>thanks! > > > I'd like to chime in here as well. I have a drive that does the exact > same thing, although it is a few years old (a WD200 20GB). > Smartmontools, however, reports nothing out of the ordinary. And the > clicks don't happen as often. They usually only do happen, however, > under heavy disk IO (such as during the daily runs). I really should get > the drive out of there and purchase another, but I'm a tad strapped for > cash as it is. I've seen this happen with quite a few other WD drives, > as well, though haven't observed in detail to the extent that I do now. > -Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFC7mCuZ7GnDF3tpZURAk/BAJ4qfH8zusnpfur9d8+Owg8xai0R2gCeJorh LA6ehIF5kaS2w/b/NnKVWN4= =JMCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 2 15:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354D216A41F for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:55:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rob@wasteground.co.uk) Received: from proton.imperitas.net (proton.imperitas.net [217.112.92.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F067C43D53 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:55:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rob@wasteground.co.uk) Received: from staff-ns50-3.as25178.net ([212.9.98.1] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by proton.imperitas.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1Dzz6n-0007Qs-AI for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:55:14 +0100 Message-ID: <42EF9776.2000807@wasteground.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:55:34 +0100 From: Rob Parker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "proton.imperitas.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, I've been trying to get IPMI on a brand new Dell 2850 to work under FreeBSD 6.0-BETA1 (FreeBSD 5.4 appears incredibly unstable on these with an SMP kernel..). As a newcomer to IPMI, I'm not entirely sure if It's me that's doing something wrong, a hardware fault, or a driver issue. I have tried a few different things to try and get this to work: [...] Content analysis details: (-1.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 1.4 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list Subject: FreeBSD 6.0-BETA1, IPMI and Dell 2850 BMC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:55:52 -0000 Hi all, I've been trying to get IPMI on a brand new Dell 2850 to work under FreeBSD 6.0-BETA1 (FreeBSD 5.4 appears incredibly unstable on these with an SMP kernel..). As a newcomer to IPMI, I'm not entirely sure if It's me that's doing something wrong, a hardware fault, or a driver issue. I have tried a few different things to try and get this to work: 1) Configuring the Dell IPMI BMC with the same (and different) IP address to the actual FreeBSD Box (both on the same network, e.g. 192.168.1.10/24 for IPMI, 192.168.1.11/24 for the actual box). 2) Issuing an IP to the IPMI BMC over DHCP. The IPMI interface collects an IP address from my DHCP server, but I still cannot connect to it. 3) Running OpenIPMI and ipmitool directly on the box, nothing happens - OpenIPMI's bmc-info tool just sits there doing nothing that I can see, ipmitool says it cannot connect. I have taken a quick look around the network driver code (the 2850 uses an em driver), I can see a few mentions of IPMI (and ASF - not sure if this is related?), and as far as my limited knowledge of C go, it looks like everything should work. I've also tried fudging in a different version of the em driver directly from Intel's website (3.1.1.0), but these don't seem to work correctly - UDP traffic no longer seems to flow in/out of the box with these drivers (perhaps this has something to do with IPMI?). I've also tried roughly playing around in the "em_enable_mng_pass_thru" function (in if_em_hw.c) to seemingly force this to be enabled, but again I end up in a state where no UDP traffic seems to flow in/out of the box. As i say - I don't have a great knowledge of C, just enough to be dangerous, so it's possible I've missed something very obvious. Reading through the Intel documentation for the card (and it's EEPROMs) seems to suggest the driver should just work as well. As far as I understand, IPMI (and/or the BMC) are both totally seperate from operating system, and should work independently.. when working correctly, I should be able to telnet to the IPMI/BMC address on port 623 and be greeted with some sort of login prompt (please correct me if I'm wrong!). Any information/suggestions/patches/hacks that anyone might have that could be of any use at all, would be really appreciated - this has been driving me mad all day! Hopefully I've just missed something simple.. :) Thanks! rob From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 2 18:43:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4CF16A420 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:43:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fscker@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FEA43D49 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:43:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fscker@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1275370wra for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oYNo+hbhsEktFnYG17U7fVvrHUYMR/nLvZP4bjl7gy48GmhNWuh3GQZscDDAOa+KMXGry19LORMrqipDp6iimzkpO45hZQ5Px5sFb+P9braL+lDlBbmsvzli0ruN7pqS9mZq5AAgraM/kCrTfXYKG2Ibsa+Gkb88p0aheKF+GHs= Received: by 10.54.120.12 with SMTP id s12mr3974726wrc; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.70.20 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <575c58d305080211434b1efa85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:43:04 -0700 From: Joe Hamelin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: 5.x bootloader and the Supermicro SuperServer 5013C-MT X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joe Hamelin List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:43:06 -0000 The boot loader on i386 5.4-rel locks up at the "count down" screen on the Supermicro SuperServer 5013C-MT. Is anyone working on this issue? Is there a developer that needs hardware to test on? http://supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5013/SYS-5013C-MT.cfm Best regards, Joe Hamelin Windermere Technology joe@windermere.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 4 01:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7E916A41F for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:01:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tpen0010@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay105-f17.bay105.hotmail.com [65.54.224.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA7043D48 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:01:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tpen0010@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:01:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:01:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.224.200] X-Originating-Email: [tpen0010@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tpen0010@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> From: "Michael Roberts" To: dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:01:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 01:01:52.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[19AFA060:01C59890] Cc: Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:01:53 -0000 hi, thanks for all your responses. i've heard similar things, and am getting a replacement drive sent out from WD. however, a few interesting things: 1) the frequency of the tic/toc noises (really they sound like "toc - tic" ..) decreases when i disable acpi. i should have done this before, of course.... I haven't tried switching to apm. but w/o acpi, performance is pretty good, and i don't get the delays with tab-completion. 2) i've run every hardware tester i could get my hands on, and none of them find any bad sectors/block/anything. the drive always checks out. this is all making me think that i've just got my system configured wrong. like maybe i need some special device in my kernel for this particular drive? or maybe i need to mess with acpi settings to get things streamlined? any suggestions along these lines? or should i just trash the thing... thx again. >From: Dan Ponte >To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve >Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:07:23 -0400 > >On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 10:33:32AM -0400, Michael Roberts > was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > > hi, > > > > i'm encountering something funny in a hard drive i just installed. >issue > > is: the hard drive makes clicking noises sometimes when the system is > > trying to access the drive, and when that happens, there is a momentary > > (half or quarter second) pause in whatever the computer was trying to >do. > > e.g., if i type in a partial path in a terminal, then try to >tab-complete > > it, i hear a little tic-toc, accompanied by a pause, before the >completed > > path shows up in the terminal. > > > > the tic-toc noise is a little melodic (kinda like vibes) if that >matters... > > which it probably doesn't... > > > > my info: > > > > drive: western digital wd800ve. i think this is an eide drive. > > running 7.0-current on a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. previously running > > 5.4-stable, and upgraded to see if it would fix the problem, which it > > didn't. > > > > this tic/toc noise only occurs occasionally when i run windows on the >other > > partition of the drive. it causes the same delay there, but like i said >it > > only occurs once in a blue moon on the windows side, and is therefore > > tolerable. on the freebsd side, it happens all the time. > > > > anyone know what i should do? any and all help would be appreciated. > > > > thanks! > >I'd like to chime in here as well. I have a drive that does the exact >same thing, although it is a few years old (a WD200 20GB). >Smartmontools, however, reports nothing out of the ordinary. And the >clicks don't happen as often. They usually only do happen, however, >under heavy disk IO (such as during the daily runs). I really should get >the drive out of there and purchase another, but I'm a tad strapped for >cash as it is. I've seen this happen with quite a few other WD drives, >as well, though haven't observed in detail to the extent that I do now. >-Dan >-- >Dan Ponte >http://www.theamigan.net/ >Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell >you, "There's a time for work and a time for play," never find the time >for play? >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 4 01:14:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C116A41F for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:14:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: from neptune.atopia.net (neptune.atopia.net [209.128.231.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3813043D45 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:14:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix, from userid 1034) id 630016113; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:14:39 -0400 From: Dan Ponte To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050804011439.GA66267@neptune.atopia.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:14:40 -0000 On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:01:52PM -0400, Michael Roberts was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > hi, > > thanks for all your responses. i've heard similar things, and am getting a > replacement drive sent out from WD. however, a few interesting things: > > 1) the frequency of the tic/toc noises (really they sound like "toc - tic" > ..) decreases when i disable acpi. i should have done this before, of > course.... I haven't tried switching to apm. but w/o acpi, performance is > pretty good, and i don't get the delays with tab-completion. > > 2) i've run every hardware tester i could get my hands on, and none of them > find any bad sectors/block/anything. the drive always checks out. > > this is all making me think that i've just got my system configured wrong. > like maybe i need some special device in my kernel for this particular > drive? or maybe i need to mess with acpi settings to get things > streamlined? > > any suggestions along these lines? or should i just trash the thing... > > thx again. > Well, this drive is probably 4 or 5 years old by now, and I'm pretty sure it's been clicking along since I got it. ACPI would make sense; maybe the BIOS or something is trying to turn off the drive motor, but the OS needs to use it, so it turns back on. This is rather farfetched, though, as it happens usually during load. I have ACPI enabled, but dmesg tells me that my BIOS is blacklisted, so I doubt it's really enabled. -Dan -- Dan Ponte http://www.theamigan.net/ Economists state their GNP growth projections to the nearest tenth of a percentage point to prove they have a sense of humor. -- Edgar R. Fiedler From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 4 15:27:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DFD16A41F for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:27:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tuliogs@pgt.mpt.gov.br) Received: from mail.pgt.mpt.gov.br (mail.pgt.mpt.gov.br [200.157.62.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F4843D48 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:27:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tuliogs@pgt.mpt.gov.br) Received: from [10.0.0.136] (516e.pgt.mpt.gov.br [10.0.0.136]) by mail.pgt.mpt.gov.br (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74FRsAM015610 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:27:54 -0300 (BRST) (envelope-from tuliogs@pgt.mpt.gov.br) Message-ID: <42F2346A.50300@pgt.mpt.gov.br> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:29:46 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tulio_Guimar=E3es_da_Silva?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <20050801170723.GA90601@neptune.atopia.net> <20050804011439.GA66267@neptune.atopia.net> In-Reply-To: <20050804011439.GA66267@neptune.atopia.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030204040703020404080901" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: hard drive noises -- western digital wd800ve X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:27:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030204040703020404080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi gentlemen, I donīt know if itīs related, but (I went to investigation) thereīs a known issue with WD HDs from 40 to 200GB prior to 2003/03/25 (March 25, 2003 - dates are always confusing :) ); even though itīs associated to RAID-controllers, it seems indeed that there is some kind of timeout generated by the acoustic reduction features of the drives. Hereīs the link to the explanation: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=913 In short, there seems to be a bit to be disabled at run-time, *but* the utility is only available to Windows systems. ŽŽ It can be downloaded here: http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=4&swid=11 Maybe itīs an issue that could be trated by the ata(4) driver or sysctl (if not already), but... *maybe*; thatīs really not for me to tell. :P Anyway, I guess people with this issue should contact WD or a reseller. Since itīs a somewhat limited issue, *and* itīs known to the manufacturer, I think they wouldnīt oppose to replace the affected drive(s). Cheers, Tulio G. da Silva Dan Ponte wrote: >On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:01:52PM -0400, Michael Roberts was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > > >>hi, >> >>thanks for all your responses. i've heard similar things, and am getting a >>replacement drive sent out from WD. however, a few interesting things: >> >>1) the frequency of the tic/toc noises (really they sound like "toc - tic" >>..) decreases when i disable acpi. i should have done this before, of >>course.... I haven't tried switching to apm. but w/o acpi, performance is >>pretty good, and i don't get the delays with tab-completion. >> >>2) i've run every hardware tester i could get my hands on, and none of them >>find any bad sectors/block/anything. the drive always checks out. >> >>this is all making me think that i've just got my system configured wrong. >>like maybe i need some special device in my kernel for this particular >>drive? or maybe i need to mess with acpi settings to get things >>streamlined? >> >>any suggestions along these lines? or should i just trash the thing... >> >>thx again. >> >> >> >Well, this drive is probably 4 or 5 years old by now, and I'm pretty >sure it's been clicking along since I got it. ACPI would make sense; >maybe the BIOS or something is trying to turn off the drive motor, but >the OS needs to use it, so it turns back on. This is rather farfetched, >though, as it happens usually during load. I have ACPI enabled, but >dmesg tells me that my BIOS is blacklisted, so I doubt it's really >enabled. >-Dan > > --------------030204040703020404080901--