From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 00:11:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A911D16A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:11:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A7943D1F for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:11:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net) Received: from [83.170.20.46] (helo=[192.168.1.55]) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CnQfq-0004Jh-K2 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:11:16 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Content-Type:Organization:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aNfksrLAyPMdcv5l+jepHcaceKqjAEZeIVlwowtDUz7yUPQItv3lbaPx8TKoLCIi; From: Martes Wigglesworth To: freebsd-isp list Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wiggtekmicro Corporation Message-Id: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:11:49 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 532caf459ba90ce6996df0496707a79d9bea09fe345ed53d9ef193a6bfc3dd48919b7f5ff4fb2401b481960e38b312c660db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 83.170.20.46 Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:11:16 -0000 From: Martes Wigglesworth To: Christian Hiris <4711@chello.at> Cc: "heath, Chia Hui Chen" Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:59:56 +0300 Also, to supply, 56K service, would I be able to use the multi-modem approach, or do I need to have the DSL with digital "modems" and all that jazz? I am reading about the digital "RAS" setups, and all the info sites that I am using seem to fall off, just after the analog explanations. They seem to have a good definition of the RAS system however, they fail to demonstrate how one may build one, using the digital cards, to service analog dialup traffic. -- Respectfully, M.G.W. System: PCChips K7SOM MB AMD K7 Pro 1800 256MB RAM 40GB HD 10/100 NIC FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 09:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8EA16A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:12:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2A243D2F for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:12:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net) Received: from [83.170.20.46] (helo=[192.168.1.55]) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CnZ7W-0008Mi-0E; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:12:23 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Organization:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bEaDQGP1nOddFy1eU/2FLliRmVKv64ZUi2vdgkUEyd+q/6klY9zDxTBjRw8EhUmR; From: Martes Wigglesworth To: jonathan michaels In-Reply-To: <20050109120648.14914@caamora.com.au> References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <20050109120648.14914@caamora.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wiggtekmicro Corporation Message-Id: <1105261972.679.22.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:12:52 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 532caf459ba90ce6996df0496707a79d9bea09fe345ed53d9ef193a6bfc3dd4857d29cc84f84f9601b43c089e5b14d3532896555ed3a2240350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 83.170.20.46 cc: freebsd-isp list Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:12:25 -0000 Thanks, Mr. Micheals. The information that you have provided is invaluable. I am going to check out the US Robotics solution that you mentioned. The only thing is that I am trying to see if it would be possible to product similar equipment using FreeBSD, or Linux, and the appropriate hardware. I may have to just purchase a RAS solution, because no one seems to have any appropriate knowledge of such a project. Thanks for the info, and I hope your condition improves. -- Respectfully, M.G.W. System: PCChips K7SOM MB AMD K7 Pro 1800 256MB RAM 40GB HD 10/100 NIC FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 17:44:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1709016A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:44:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAEE43D39 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:44:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id B97B9D188; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 0BD286366; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16865.28037.8845.499934@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:44:37 -0500 To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <1105261972.679.22.camel@Mobile1.276NET> References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <20050109120648.14914@caamora.com.au> <1105261972.679.22.camel@Mobile1.276NET> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 16) "Corporate Culture" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-isp list cc: jonathan michaels Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:44:41 -0000 Actually, if I were building the giant dial-up server nowdays, I'd seriously consider two things. 1st, if I was stuck with a hardware design, USB seems to be the way to go. USB1.1 is 12 megabit ... which would easily support over 100 modems. Depends on buffering and efficiency, I suppose. But really, if you were looking at more than about 20 modems, it might be cheaper to licence some one's winmodem implementation and hire a developer to make the winmodem go against either a PRI or a VOIP connection. Modern processors should be able to handle 20 to 50 modems if well programmed. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 20:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D98016A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A87B43D1D for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:29:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09KTCGq076218 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:29:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1/Submit) id j09KTCsx076217 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:29:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:29:12 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050109202912.GB76104@wjv.com> References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <20050109120648.14914@caamora.com.au> <1105261972.679.22.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <16865.28037.8845.499934@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16865.28037.8845.499934@canoe.dclg.ca> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:29:15 -0000 On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 12:44 , David Gilbert showing utter disregard for spell-checkers gave us this: > Actually, if I were building the giant dial-up server nowdays, I'd > seriously consider two things. > 1st, if I was stuck with a hardware design, USB seems to be the way to > go. USB1.1 is 12 megabit ... which would easily support over 100 > modems. Depends on buffering and efficiency, I suppose. > But really, if you were looking at more than about 20 modems, it might > be cheaper to licence some one's winmodem implementation and hire a > developer to make the winmodem go against either a PRI or a VOIP > connection. Modern processors should be able to handle 20 to 50 > modems if well programmed. If it was to be 'giant' dial up, it might be cheaper to use one of the providers that do this for a liiving which converts to IP and then routes to you. That means you only pay for what you need but if your needs expand you just contract for more use. The downside is the ongoing monthly bills, but upside is no hardward to maintain yourself. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 04:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EDB16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from psknet.com (kennedy.psknet.com [63.171.251.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F5D43D2D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:45:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from pool-141-152-71-178.roa.east.verizon.net ([141.152.71.178] helo=tws) by psknet.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CnrRG-000Dli-5U; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:45:58 -0500 From: "Troy Settle" To: , "'freebsd-isp list'" Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:46:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcT138Z/GvqA5xkfRN2yuTUDKe8B8gA7vIPA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Message-Id: <20050110044559.61F5D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:45:59 -0000 Martes, Yes, you can build your own box from scratch, but it would be much cheaper and more efficient to get something along the lines of a Max or PM3, especially if you want V90 support. Also, DSL is a completely different technology. What you need, are PRI and either digital modems or DSPs. If you like, I can boot up an old Ascend Max 6096 to see if it still works. If so, I'll let it go for $500 (or you can make me an offer). This thing will take up to 4 T1/PRI (96 lines total). I also have a 4048 I'll let go for half that. Let me know, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 866.477.5638 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martes > Wigglesworth > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:12 PM > To: freebsd-isp list > Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? > > > From: Martes Wigglesworth > To: Christian Hiris <4711@chello.at> > Cc: "heath, Chia Hui Chen" > Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? > > Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:59:56 +0300 > > Also, to supply, 56K service, would I be able to use the multi-modem > approach, or do I need to have the DSL with digital "modems" and all > that jazz? I am reading about the digital "RAS" setups, and all the > info sites that I am using seem to fall off, just after the analog > explanations. They seem to have a good definition of the RAS system > however, they fail to demonstrate how one may build one, using the > digital cards, to service analog dialup traffic. > -- > Respectfully, > > > M.G.W. > > System: > PCChips K7SOM MB > AMD K7 Pro 1800 > 256MB RAM > 40GB HD > 10/100 NIC > FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 04:52:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACC116A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:52:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sleepy.wojomedia.com (sleepy.wojomedia.com [216.107.102.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D83A343D48 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:52:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tim@sleepy.wojomedia.com) Received: (qmail 4412 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jan 2005 04:52:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:52:50 -0600 From: ttsai@pobox.com To: 'freebsd-isp list' Message-ID: <20050110045250.GA3914@sleepy.wojomedia.com> References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <20050110044559.61F5D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050110044559.61F5D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:52:52 -0000 On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:46:02PM -0500, Troy Settle wrote: > you like, I can boot up an old Ascend Max 6096 to see if it still works. If > so, I'll let it go for $500 (or you can make me an offer). This thing will > take up to 4 T1/PRI (96 lines total). I also have a 4048 I'll let go for > half that. That's a really good price for a nice and solid box. You can't buy 96 new modems to fit in a 4U slot for $500 nowadays. Tim From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 09:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FB516A503; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:03:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09A43D45; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:03:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net) Received: from [83.170.20.46] (helo=[192.168.1.55]) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CnvSG-0006qw-6D; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:03:18 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Organization:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C2t2B4rVcV79RAeZEBzLsZVkoWbwn9Q8axJKMif8Iaq4p3Klw7fk5KAc9ZtFNYIO; From: Martes Wigglesworth To: Ian FREISLICH , freebsd-isp list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wiggtekmicro Corporation Message-Id: <1105347792.3320.130.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:03:39 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 532caf459ba90ce6996df0496707a79d9bea09fe345ed53d9ef193a6bfc3dd480de9df706756f570d7f699cce738970f8483c75118a9a15a350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 83.170.20.46 cc: ipfw-mailings Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:03:24 -0000 Good lord. Thanks for all the information. I was thinking of using dedicated hardware, and it almost seems that it would be much simpler to just purchase a Total Control, AS5400, or other PRI appliance, and see how it works, then attempt my project, as a side experiment. I am good with the theories, however, I have yet to actually see how to gateway the digital channelized lines, to the dialup analog lines. Or Would the Channelized T1 simply be used as call-in lines to my data center, then I just have the RAS/NAS connect to the rest of my backbone, via the Radius server (FreeRadius on FreeBSD/OpenBSD) then to my other network resources? I still don't quite have a good picture of why you would need an analog phone line, when you already have channelized service, to supply the 56K 64kbit/s pipe. Or am I just missunderstanding what has been said? Has anyone considered using Asterisk for some sort of telephony gateway solution to this type of topology? I know you can do VOIP, however that is much more advanced than what I am currently attempting to grasp. Also, are there any PRI/Analog/Channelized modem pool resources that anyone can point me to? I have been able to locate a bit of information, however, no one ever actually discloses how the line provisioning can actually be setup. Thanks a bunch, for the information, Ian. -- Respectfully, M.G.W. System: PCChips K7SOM MB AMD K7 Pro 1800 256MB RAM 40GB HD 10/100 NIC FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 10:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D46416A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCA843D5A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andyh@hhbb.co.uk) Received: from [10.0.0.25] (hedgie1.gotadsl.co.uk [82.133.95.107]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007824EA32; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:18 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andy Holyer Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:26 +0000 To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-isp list Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:26 -0000 On 9 Jan 2005, at 00:11, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: > > From: Martes Wigglesworth > To: Christian Hiris <4711@chello.at> > Cc: "heath, Chia Hui Chen" > Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? > > Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:59:56 +0300 > > Also, to supply, 56K service, would I be able to use the multi-modem > approach, or do I need to have the DSL with digital "modems" and all > that jazz? I am reading about the digital "RAS" setups, and all the > info sites that I am using seem to fall off, just after the analog > explanations. They seem to have a good definition of the RAS system > however, they fail to demonstrate how one may build one, using the > digital cards, to service analog dialup traffic. > It's perfectly possible - in fact I did exactly this at my first ISP, Pavilion Internet in Brighton, 10 years ago. Multiple serial boards are available, and just look like several /dev/tty connections. Set them up to run PPP, and put a modem on each of them and you're going. It looks ludicrous (we resorted to velcro-ing the dial-up modems to the wall of the machine room), but yes, it does work. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 13:09:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F8516A4CF for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:09:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E6643D3F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:09:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0AD9egE066611 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:09:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1105229509.683.433.camel@Mobile1.276NET> <20050110044559.61F5D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050110045250.GA3914@sleepy.wojomedia.com> In-Reply-To: <20050110045250.GA3914@sleepy.wojomedia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 12:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:09:42 -0000 On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:52:50 -0600, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: >On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:46:02PM -0500, Troy Settle wrote: >> you like, I can boot up an old Ascend Max 6096 to see if it still = works. If >> so, I'll let it go for $500 (or you can make me an offer). This thing= will >> take up to 4 T1/PRI (96 lines total). I also have a 4048 I'll let go = for >> half that. > > That's a really good price for a nice and solid box. You can't >buy 96 new modems to fit in a 4U slot for $500 nowadays. Take a look at ebay. I have seen PM3s fully loaded go for $300 or less. Thats 48 digital modems on 2 PRIs. If this is a one off project, you are hard pressed to beat that from parts. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 13:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2815B16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1a.swcp.com (mx1a.swcp.com [216.184.2.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB3443D49 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:19:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka-216.swcp.com [216.184.2.3]) by mx1a.swcp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id j0ADJ3xJ022978 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:19:04 -0700 Received: from yagi.swcp.com (yagi.swcp.com [216.184.2.43]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0ADIx5U054507 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by yagi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20774 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:18:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: yagi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:18:59 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@yagi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.74, clamav-milter version 0.74a on av2.swcp.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Viable FreeBSD Network Access Server projects...? 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Your message was sent with the following envelope: MAIL FROM: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org RCPT TO: 3701@discounttravel.de ... and with the following headers: --- MAILFROM: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate1.adm.arcor.net) ([10.14.5.5]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.145.18.21 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <3701@discounttravel.de>; 11 Jan 2005 16:39:38 -0000 Received: from discounttravel.de (Ia88e.i.pppool.de [85.73.168.142]) by mailgate1.adm.arcor.net (Arcor-CN-MailRelay) with ESMTP id 9BD32267B for <3701@discounttravel.de>; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:41:08 +0100 (MET) From: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org To: 3701@discounttravel.de Subject: Re: dokument Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:41:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_00002C73.00003265" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <20050111164108.9BD32267B@mailgate1.adm.arcor.net> --- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 18:50:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF9216A4CF for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:50:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from util.inch.com (mx.inch.com [216.223.198.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CDF43D41 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:50:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Received: from kod.inch.com (kod.inch.com [216.223.192.68]) j0BIooep028477; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: gcoon@inch.com Subject: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:50:53 -0000 I recently setup a SATA RAID1 box on a highpoint controller. The machine is playing very nicely with FreeBSD and doing much better than I initially expected. Now I'm considering upgrading a SCSI system to another SATA RAID 5 system. Can anyone tell me about SATA RAID 5 experiences? The company I'm looking at purchasing this from is using the Highpoint R1820 controller. SATA= "putting the 'I' back in RAID" or "magic 8 ball says, 'Ask again later."? For reference on the decision making, the present machine is setup on an Adaptec 3200S with all but one of the partitions as RAID1 and the last one as RAID5. All the drives in the present system are SCSI SCA 10k RPMs I believe. The machine is primarily an apache 1.3/freeBSD 4 web server doing 25-30 MB of web traffic at peak 17-20 MB on Average. Gerald From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 19:16:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B9616A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:16:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56DD543D1F for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:16:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 13264 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 19:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 19:15:49 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> References: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:15:48 -0800 Message-Id: <1105470948.685.693.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: gcoon@inch.com Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:16:11 -0000 On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 13:50 -0500, Gerald wrote: > I recently setup a SATA RAID1 box on a highpoint controller. The > machine is playing very nicely with FreeBSD and doing much better than > I initially expected. Now I'm considering upgrading a SCSI system to > another SATA RAID 5 system. > > Can anyone tell me about SATA RAID 5 experiences? The company I'm > looking at purchasing this from is using the Highpoint R1820 controller. I not sure about the newer SATA RAID controllers, but I know CPU usage was way higher on all SATA RAID controllers than on SCSI RAID controllers like those from Adaptec. Good SCSI RAID controllers offload a lot of the computation from the host machine onto the card itself. > SATA= "putting the 'I' back in RAID" or "magic 8 ball says, 'Ask again > later."? > > For reference on the decision making, the present machine is setup on an > Adaptec 3200S with all but one of the partitions as RAID1 and the last > one as RAID5. All the drives in the present system are SCSI SCA 10k RPMs > I believe. The machine is primarily an apache 1.3/freeBSD 4 web server > doing 25-30 MB of web traffic at peak 17-20 MB on Average. For a webserver, you might not notice much of an impact by switching to an SATA controller, not like you would on a busy database server, because the webserver might not be hitting the disk IO very hard. If you decide to switch to SATA RAID, myself and probably at least a few others would be interested in seeing what difference this makes in CPU usage and server load. If the SATA RAID controllers mature to the point of matching the low CPU usage that expensive Adaptec cards attain, then they might finally be able to overthrow SCSI in the server market. The performance is already there, but the high CPU usage for past SATA controllers would cripple servers where a high load is noticeable and annoying to users, such as in the VPS hosting segment. -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 21:00:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9674F16A4CF for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from util.inch.com (mx.inch.com [216.223.198.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DF43D1F for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:00:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Received: from kod.inch.com (kod.inch.com [216.223.192.68]) j0BL0JfZ020909; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1105470948.685.693.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Message-ID: <20050111154635.P86996@kod.inch.com> References: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> <1105470948.685.693.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: gcoon@inch.com Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:00:24 -0000 On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Justin Hopper wrote: > I not sure about the newer SATA RAID controllers, but I know CPU > usage was way higher on all SATA RAID controllers than on SCSI RAID > controllers like those from Adaptec. Good SCSI RAID controllers > offload a lot of the computation from the host machine onto the card > itself. Thanks Justin and Michael (and whomever else replies) for the advice. After more research and the nice reminder to check for hardware RAID instead of software RAID I talked the manuf in to making the highpoint a 3ware 9500S-8port for no extra. I'm fairly confident this will keep up with the load and be a huge storage upgrade. The new machine will be 6x250 GB RAID 5 on the card above with 4GB RAM and dual Xeon 3.02 procs. Total for the machine alone is $5500. (Yep 1 terabyte usable for $5500, and how many machines are you still squeezing the life out of a 9GB drive.) :-) > If you decide to switch to SATA RAID, myself and probably at least a few > others would be interested in seeing what difference this makes in CPU > usage and server load. With the 3ware card I'm interested to see the CPU usage difference too. I neglected to mention the upgrade has little to do with the storage and everything to do with needing more memory that the current MB can support. The only reason I'm upgrading the storage is the price of this new stuff is amazing for the performance numbers they are throwing out and the old RAID system flakes from time to time. That's more an issue with the SCSI backplane in the current system than the controller or disks I think though. I didn't want to upgrade to more mem and newer proc and introduce other issues. I'm doing MRTG on memory, CPU, LA, and bandwidth presently so I'll report back after I get approval to purchase it and set it up. Thanks, Gerald From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 21:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A155316A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:28:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C58643D49 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:28:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jsimola@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so386950wri for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=R6U8S3oY8vkB7fHY293Ax6OIPsDmdE0j/WLWPXk52/AqRhi/1C+YgMD2dNYNsaKzGTL55c5ExXdyrPD8DPKn+FczhZTIMktOKr89UrKAhw1yOagLuCXgH93hFX5GIrqVQB75ZHf/UEFUwAFYcIHGLuX0DWHXxtohpqQ1JCakw20= Received: by 10.54.39.76 with SMTP id m76mr114151wrm; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.39.34 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8eea040805011113287049f03e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:28:23 -0800 From: Jon Simola To: Gerald In-Reply-To: <20050111154635.P86996@kod.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> <1105470948.685.693.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <20050111154635.P86996@kod.inch.com> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jon@abccomm.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:28:24 -0000 On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0500 (EST), Gerald wrote: > and how many machines are you still squeezing the life out of a 9GB drive.) :-) Still in production, I have a: (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST12550N 0013" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2040MB (4178874 512 byte sectors) I decommissioned the firewall I was running on a 540MB SCSI drive last year. > I'm doing MRTG on memory, CPU, LA, and bandwidth presently so I'll > report back after I get approval to purchase it and set it up. Please do. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 21:50:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F616A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:50:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B08943D39 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:50:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 51006 invoked by uid 110); 11 Jan 2005 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from ool-182f946b.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (simon%optinet.com@24.47.148.107) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 21:50:38 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Gerald" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:56:43 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20050111215039.5B08943D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:50:40 -0000 I've been running 5.2.1-R on an isolated data backup server with 3ware ATA 8 channel RAID with 250GB maxtor drives. It does daily backups of multiple servers. You can monitor array status using 3amd daemon. So far uptime is almost a year. It does nothing but backups... I'm not sure how it would compare VS SCSI RAID under high IO. We only use SCSI RAID on our web servers which get pretty busy. I'm looking forward to using LSI RAID cards with 5.3 I'm using one with 4.x, it's been working fine for several months, now. Unfortunately, the monitoring suite is broken due to some bug and I wish someone would fix it. I emailed the author, but there was no response. I'm relying on SAF-TE enclosure to tell me if any of the drives are dead. Frankly, there isn't much choosing when it comes to SCSI RAID and FreeBSD as of late. It's either the adaptec, which has a share of it's problems, or LSI which works fine but lacks monitoring tools. -Simon On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0500 (EST), Gerald wrote: >I recently setup a SATA RAID1 box on a highpoint controller. The >machine is playing very nicely with FreeBSD and doing much better than >I initially expected. Now I'm considering upgrading a SCSI system to >another SATA RAID 5 system. > >Can anyone tell me about SATA RAID 5 experiences? The company I'm >looking at purchasing this from is using the Highpoint R1820 controller. > >SATA= "putting the 'I' back in RAID" or "magic 8 ball says, 'Ask again >later."? > >For reference on the decision making, the present machine is setup on an >Adaptec 3200S with all but one of the partitions as RAID1 and the last >one as RAID5. All the drives in the present system are SCSI SCA 10k RPMs >I believe. The machine is primarily an apache 1.3/freeBSD 4 web server >doing 25-30 MB of web traffic at peak 17-20 MB on Average. > >Gerald >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 01:22:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D7F16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:22:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C51D43D3F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:22:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CoXDY-0003nW-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:22:36 +0100 Received: from gray.impulse.net ([207.154.64.174]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:22:36 +0100 Received: from ted by gray.impulse.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:22:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ted Cabeen Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:19:04 -0800 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <87pt0b78c7.fsf@gray.impulse.net> References: <20050111133450.J86996@kod.inch.com> <20050111215039.5B08943D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: gray.impulse.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:k7vv52El1KNBSkVya841w31tfMA= Sender: news Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:22:38 -0000 "Simon" writes: > I've been running 5.2.1-R on an isolated data backup server with 3ware ATA > 8 channel RAID with 250GB maxtor drives. It does daily backups of multiple > servers. You can monitor array status using 3amd daemon. So far uptime is > almost a year. It does nothing but backups... I'm not sure how it would > compare VS SCSI RAID under high IO. We only use SCSI RAID on our web > servers which get pretty busy. I'm looking forward to using LSI RAID cards > with 5.3 I'm using one with 4.x, it's been working fine for several months, now. > Unfortunately, the monitoring suite is broken due to some bug and I wish > someone would fix it. I emailed the author, but there was no response. I'm > relying on SAF-TE enclosure to tell me if any of the drives are dead. Frankly, > there isn't much choosing when it comes to SCSI RAID and FreeBSD as of > late. It's either the adaptec, which has a share of it's problems, or LSI which > works fine but lacks monitoring tools. Is there even source out there for the LSI monitoring tools? The only copy of LSI monitoring tools I've ever found was just a binary package. It works great on 4.X though. > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0500 (EST), Gerald wrote: > >>I recently setup a SATA RAID1 box on a highpoint controller. The >>machine is playing very nicely with FreeBSD and doing much better than >>I initially expected. Now I'm considering upgrading a SCSI system to >>another SATA RAID 5 system. >> >>Can anyone tell me about SATA RAID 5 experiences? The company I'm >>looking at purchasing this from is using the Highpoint R1820 controller. >> >>SATA= "putting the 'I' back in RAID" or "magic 8 ball says, 'Ask again >>later."? >> >>For reference on the decision making, the present machine is setup on an >>Adaptec 3200S with all but one of the partitions as RAID1 and the last >>one as RAID5. All the drives in the present system are SCSI SCA 10k RPMs >>I believe. The machine is primarily an apache 1.3/freeBSD 4 web server >>doing 25-30 MB of web traffic at peak 17-20 MB on Average. >> >>Gerald -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@cabeen.org Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 ted@impulse.net "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@pobox.com "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot secabeen@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 02:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E010016A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:23:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBA243D3F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:23:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-134-163.eastlink.ca [24.224.134.163]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6068A1291F2; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:23:52 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F5FA35DC6; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:23:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4B235D7A; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:23:57 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:23:57 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Simon In-Reply-To: <20050111215039.5B08943D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20050111222324.O79272@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050111215039.5B08943D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" cc: Gerald Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:23:59 -0000 On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Simon wrote: > late. It's either the adaptec, which has a share of it's problems, or > LSI which works fine but lacks monitoring tools. We use Intel RAID controllers in our machines, which has a 'storcon' utility that works great on FreeBSD ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 05:48:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C0416A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:48:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.wlink.com.np (smtp4.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7566143D1F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:48:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 66773 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 05:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.74) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 05:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5934 invoked by uid 1008); 12 Jan 2005 05:48:01 -0000 Received: from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.70. 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Processed in 2.011955 secs); 12 Jan 2005 05:48:01 -0000 Received: from smtp1.wlink.com.np (202.79.32.76) by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 05:47:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6578 invoked by uid 508); 12 Jan 2005 05:47:51 -0000 Received: from [202.79.36.168] (HELO bikrant.org.np) by smtp1.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 05:47:50 -0000 (Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:32:50 +0545) From: Bikrant Neupane To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:32:45 +0545 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501121132.46063.bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np> X-Spam-Check-By: smtp1.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; -4.9 / 5.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 Subject: Default LQR timeout period X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:48:11 -0000 Hi We have pppoe server running on FreeBSD 4.9 and 90% of our wireless clients are using MS Windows OS to access the service. I have noticed that when ever there is some problem in the link ( due to AP or SM reboot, switch reboot etc etc ) the pppoe connection closes. I have also noticed that the MS Windows client closes connection at 40-45 seconds after the link is down. I tried to increase default LQR timeout period at Server by using set lqrtimeout to some higher values. That did affected the serverside ppp process but the MS client still disconnected at 40-45 seconds. :( I prefer to set the timeout period somewhere between 120-150 seconds so that even if there is problem in the link the client doesn't get the disconnect notice and have to reconnect again and the client and servers are able to continue same session. Is there any way to control the default LQR timeout period of the Client from the Server end?? My question is more related with ms windows still I am asking this question to freebsd group so that I can solve the problem from the server end ;) regards, Bikrant From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 08:29:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5654416A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.de.mumnet.com (mail1.de.mumnet.com [82.98.75.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E6243D39 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ScanMailGateway@mumnet.com) From: ScanMailGateway@mumnet.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:27:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on InternetGW/MUM(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 12.01.2005 09:27:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ScanMail Notification. 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 11:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1447316A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.wlink.com.np (smtp4.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA6943D45 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 15141 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 11:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.74) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 11:45:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 32686 invoked by uid 1008); 12 Jan 2005 11:45:01 -0000 Received: from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.70. Clear:RC:1(202.79.32.76):. Processed in 0.309227 secs); 12 Jan 2005 11:45:01 -0000 Received: from smtp1.wlink.com.np (202.79.32.76) by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 11:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12104 invoked by uid 508); 12 Jan 2005 11:45:00 -0000 Received: from [202.79.36.168] (HELO bikrant.org.np) by smtp1.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 11:44:59 -0000 (Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:29:59 +0545) From: Bikrant Neupane To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:29:57 +0545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501121729.57530.bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np> X-Spam-Check-By: smtp1.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; -4.9 / 5.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 Subject: Default LQR timeout period X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:09 -0000 Hi We have pppoe server running on FreeBSD 4.9 and 90% of our wireless clients are using MS Windows OS to access the service. I have noticed that when ever there is some problem in the link ( due to AP or SM reboot, switch reboot etc etc ) the pppoe connection closes. I have also noticed that the MS Windows client closes connection at 40-45 seconds after the link is down. I tried to increase default LQR timeout period at Server by using set lqrtimeout to some higher values. That did affected the serverside ppp process but the MS client still disconnected at 40-45 seconds. :( I prefer to set the timeout period somewhere between 120-150 seconds so that even if there is problem in the link the client doesn't get the disconnect notice and have to reconnect again and the client and servers are able to continue same session. Is there any way to control the default LQR timeout period of the Client from the Server end?? My question is more related with ms windows still I am asking this question to freebsd group so that I can solve the problem from the server end ;) regards, Bikrant From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 22:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48DB16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:57:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from util.inch.com (mx.inch.com [216.223.198.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D6E43D39 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:57:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Received: from kod.inch.com (kod.inch.com [216.223.192.68]) j0CMvmwT053262; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050112172411.H12570@kod.inch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: gcoon@inch.com Subject: Frontpage extensions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:57:52 -0000 So I've dodged this question for quite a while, but someone asked me to look in to frontpage extensions again. Before shooting off my standard response (Get a dedicated server for it.) I figured I'd ask. Anyone use mod_frontpage in the ports yet? What's new in the frontpage extensions world? I've maintained FPE in IIS 5 and FPE for apache back when you had to do the command line song and dance for each new site (Around 2001). Luckily I haven't had to deal with it since early 2002. Thanks for the insight or horror stories. Gerald From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 23:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617AE16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 703B343D58 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:58:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 72235 invoked by uid 110); 12 Jan 2005 23:58:29 -0000 Received: from ool-182f946b.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (simon%optinet.com@24.47.148.107) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:58:29 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Gerald" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:04:36 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <20050112172411.H12570@kod.inch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20050112235830.703B343D58@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Frontpage extensions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:58:31 -0000 Search the archives, you should find great number of posts regarding this topic discussed in detail. Also look here: http://www.rtr.com/fp2002disc/_disc2/tocproto.htm The extensions work fine given they are implemented correctly and should cause no problem as long as the user doesn't directly modify/remove files which are part of FP extensions. I've tested apache 2.x with the latest FP extensions, no problems. -Simon On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:57:48 -0500 (EST), Gerald wrote: >So I've dodged this question for quite a while, but someone asked me to >look in to frontpage extensions again. Before shooting off my standard >response (Get a dedicated server for it.) I figured I'd ask. > >Anyone use mod_frontpage in the ports yet? What's new in the frontpage >extensions world? > >I've maintained FPE in IIS 5 and FPE for apache back when you had to do >the command line song and dance for each new site (Around 2001). Luckily >I haven't had to deal with it since early 2002. > >Thanks for the insight or horror stories. > >Gerald >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 04:30:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A9F16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412BE43D48 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:30:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) j0D4UsV1087031; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/meer) with ESMTP id j0D4Ur5U087256; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.12.1/8.12.10) id j0D4Ure2087255; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:53 -0800 From: Joe Rhett To: Simon Message-ID: <20050113043052.GA86385@meer.net> Mail-Followup-To: Simon , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , Gerald References: <20050112172411.H12570@kod.inch.com> <20050112235830.703B343D58@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050112235830.703B343D58@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: Meer.net LLC cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" cc: Gerald Subject: Re: Frontpage extensions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:30:57 -0000 Um, not so quick. 1. The microsoft supplied binaries (and www/frontpage port) require compat3x libraries, which have known vulnerabilities and are forbidden. You must get the rtr.com ones. (same file name, different compilation) 2. They changed an images path in the different compilations, so you'll have to s/WTI_ADM/WTI_BIN/ on fpstatic.c for www/mod_frontpage to work correctly. I've submitted patches for both of these, but the patch maintainers aren't paying attention apparently. On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 07:04:36PM -0500, Simon wrote: > Search the archives, you should find great number of posts regarding this > topic discussed in detail. Also look here: > > http://www.rtr.com/fp2002disc/_disc2/tocproto.htm > > The extensions work fine given they are implemented correctly and should > cause no problem as long as the user doesn't directly modify/remove files > which are part of FP extensions. I've tested apache 2.x with the latest FP > extensions, no problems. > > -Simon > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:57:48 -0500 (EST), Gerald wrote: > > >So I've dodged this question for quite a while, but someone asked me to > >look in to frontpage extensions again. Before shooting off my standard > >response (Get a dedicated server for it.) I figured I'd ask. > > > >Anyone use mod_frontpage in the ports yet? What's new in the frontpage > >extensions world? > > > >I've maintained FPE in IIS 5 and FPE for apache back when you had to do > >the command line song and dance for each new site (Around 2001). Luckily > >I haven't had to deal with it since early 2002. > > > >Thanks for the insight or horror stories. > > > >Gerald > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Joe Rhett Senior Geek Meer.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 14:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442BB16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:25:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769CA43D2D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0DEP2OJ000902 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:25:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:24:54 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:25:05 -0000 A few years back, I tried a couple black lists, and was burned by them blocking things that should not be blocked, so I stopped using them. I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any preferences, warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology I have seen the future and it is just like the present, only longer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 14:47:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D36316A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:47:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from util.inch.com (mx.inch.com [216.223.198.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D803043D2D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:47:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Received: from kod.inch.com (kod.inch.com [216.223.192.68]) j0DElgP0066038; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:47:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gcoon@inch.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald To: Eric Anderson In-Reply-To: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20050113094013.T61909@kod.inch.com> References: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp list Subject: Re: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:47:45 -0000 On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Eric Anderson wrote: > I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any preferences, > warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. DSBL http://dsbl.org/main is good at the front door for blocks. After that we SpamAssassin tag it and let the end user decide. SA uses the SURBL and SPF and other things you wouldn't want to outright block on in consideration without removing the ability to bypass (whitelist) the filter. Warnings? Only the usual, be very picky with blacklists. There is a big difference between even confirmed and unconfirmed dsbl. Gerald From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 15:11:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4B616A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sixty.hatvany.com (sixty.hatvany.com [67.100.200.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D2443D5D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Charles@hatvany.com) Received: from hatvany.com (forty.hatvany.com [66.203.80.230]) by sixty.hatvany.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0DFBEaB097795 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Charles@hatvany.com) Received: from HatvanyDomain-Message_Server by hatvany.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:10:22 -0500 From: "Charles Hatvany" To: anderson@centtech.com, gcoon@inch.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:17 -0000 I have had good experience with njabl.org. They are also able and willing = to check all your incoming IP addresses for being open relays, if you want = to go to that extent. Charles >>> Gerald 01/13 9:47 AM >>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Eric Anderson wrote: > I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any = preferences, > warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. DSBL http://dsbl.org/main is good at the front door for blocks. After that we SpamAssassin tag it and let the end user decide. SA uses the SURBL and SPF and other things you wouldn't want to outright block on in consideration without removing the ability to bypass (whitelist) the filter. Warnings? Only the usual, be very picky with blacklists. There is a big difference between even confirmed and unconfirmed dsbl. Gerald _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp=20 To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 20:08:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D45816A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B3E43D2D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0DK87OJ031103; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:08:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <41E6D51F.1020001@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:07:59 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Hatvany References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: gcoon@inch.com Subject: Re: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:11 -0000 Charles Hatvany wrote: > I have had good experience with njabl.org. They are also able and willing to check all your incoming IP addresses for being open relays, if you want to go to that extent. > > Charles > > >>>>Gerald 01/13 9:47 AM >>> > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Eric Anderson wrote: > > >>I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any preferences, >>warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. > > > DSBL http://dsbl.org/main is good at the front door for blocks. After > that we SpamAssassin tag it and let the end user decide. SA uses the > SURBL and SPF and other things you wouldn't want to outright block on > in consideration without removing the ability to bypass (whitelist) the > filter. > > Warnings? Only the usual, be very picky with blacklists. There is a big > difference between even confirmed and unconfirmed dsbl. Thanks for all the suggestions (both on and off list)! Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology I have seen the future and it is just like the present, only longer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 20:08:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CD16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bigass1.bitblock.com (ns1.bitblock.com [66.199.170.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C5D43D3F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mitch@bitblock.com) Received: from dc1 ([66.199.170.122]) (AUTH: LOGIN mitch@bitblock.com) by bigass1.bitblock.com with esmtp; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:39 +0000 X-Abuse-Reports: Visit http://www.bitblock.com/abuse.php X-Abuse-Reports: and submit a copy of the message headers X-Abuse-Reports: or review our policies and procedures X-Abuse-Reports: ID= 41E6D547.0000743E.bigass1.bitblock.com,dns; dc1 ([66.199.170.122]),AUTH: LOGIN mitch@bitblock.com From: "Mitch (Bitblock)" To: "'Marc G. Fournier'" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:08:39 -0800 Organization: Bitblock Systems Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.181 In-Reply-To: <20050111222324.O79272@ganymede.hub.org> Thread-Index: AcT4TdJw/nrIak5eR++z6yokekMsbgBXZu9g Message-ID: cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:46 -0000 Hi Marc! I've been looking for current info on what works - Intel is totally non-helpful - I'm trying to buy some new equipment, and want to know what works and what doesn't - what works for you? i.e. which motherboards and controllers - are you using anything recent? What version of FreeBSD? I tried contacting the authors and got no response :( How's the performance? Thanks! m/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: January 11, 2005 6:24 PM To: Simon Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Gerald Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI RAID 5? On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Simon wrote: > late. It's either the adaptec, which has a share of it's problems, or > LSI which works fine but lacks monitoring tools. We use Intel RAID controllers in our machines, which has a 'storcon' utility that works great on FreeBSD ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 10:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84BC16A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exponential-e.com (ixbl-sun-03.exponential-e.net [62.244.177.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113C543D3F for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim.mozley@exponential-e.com) Received: from [62.244.191.249] (account jim.mozley HELO [192.168.22.109]) by exponential-e.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 5484166; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:41:52 +0000 Message-ID: <41E7A233.4040903@exponential-e.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:42:59 +0000 From: Jim Mozley Organization: Exponential-e User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Anderson References: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp list Subject: Re: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:41:56 -0000 Eric Anderson wrote: > A few years back, I tried a couple black lists, and was burned by them > blocking things that should not be blocked, so I stopped using them. > > I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any > preferences, warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. I assume this is for email purposes i.e. blocking spam. I'd suggest using SpamAssassin. If gives the different blacklists weightings which one can alter or remove if it's a problem. Jim Mozley From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 11:11:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC1316A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rocky.mintel.co.uk (rocky2.mintel.com [217.206.187.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D26343D2D for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.com) Received: from [10.0.62.5] ([10.0.62.5]) by rocky.mintel.co.uk (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EBBXnt040304; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:33 GMT (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.com) Message-ID: <41E7A8E5.5080202@mintel.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:33 +0000 From: Jason Thomson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Anderson References: <41E684B6.6080807@centtech.com> <41E7A233.4040903@exponential-e.com> In-Reply-To: <41E7A233.4040903@exponential-e.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-isp list Subject: Re: DNS Black list suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:52 -0000 We use spamhaus.org: sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org and have been for some months without any problems being reported. As a result of reading this: http://www.spamhaus.org/effective_filtering.html we recently added content filtering using the dnsbl milter. http://www.five-ten-sg.com/dnsbl.html This needed a patch to reap zombies for FBSD, and we also hacked out some code to prevent it from checking the nameservers of the URLs found in the messages; we found that to be a bit overzealous. The install script needed changing, as well. If you're interested, I can send you patches that we used to get it working. They really are hacks though, so I'd rather not post them here. This solution *seems* to be working well for us. YMMV. Cheers, Jason. Jim Mozley wrote: > Eric Anderson wrote: > >> A few years back, I tried a couple black lists, and was burned by them >> blocking things that should not be blocked, so I stopped using them. >> >> I've heard that they have come a long way - does anyone have any >> preferences, warnings, etc? I'm interested in free blacklists only.. > > > I assume this is for email purposes i.e. blocking spam. I'd suggest > using SpamAssassin. If gives the different blacklists weightings which > one can alter or remove if it's a problem. > > Jim Mozley > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 13:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E79016A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from totem.fix.no (totem.fix.no [80.91.36.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD4343D53 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:11:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anders@fix.no) Received: from localhost (totem.fix.no [80.91.36.20]) by totem.fix.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838EE5F3833 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from totem.fix.no ([80.91.36.20]) by localhost (totem.fix.no [80.91.36.20]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 95111-01-5 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by totem.fix.no (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 566675F3831; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:02 +0100 From: Anders Nordby To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050114131102.GA95157@totem.fix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://anders.fix.no/pgp/ X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: 1E0F C53C D8DF 6A8F EAAD 19C5 D12A BC9F 0083 5956 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Tools to wash email-lists for bouncing addresses X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:11:04 -0000 Hello! I have some mail lists with a lot of bouncing addresses that has been ignored for too long. How can I automatically wash them? I'd like to have a list of addresses to remove based on bounced mails, and that have been bouncing for a certain period or number of times. Preferably without sending probes, but if I have to I might consider that too. What are you guys doing to handle such issues? Is there any tools you would recommend? PS: Yes, this is mails to actual customers, I'm not in the spamming business. Cheers, -- Anders. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 17:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB2916A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B024943D5D for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:11:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j0EHBF97002725; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.245] (nfw1.codefab.com [199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j0EHBEac005411; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20050114131102.GA95157@totem.fix.no> References: <20050114131102.GA95157@totem.fix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B078DEB-664F-11D9-97FA-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:11:13 -0500 To: Anders Nordby X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tools to wash email-lists for bouncing addresses X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:11:19 -0000 On Jan 14, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Anders Nordby wrote: > I have some mail lists with a lot of bouncing addresses that has been > ignored for too long. How can I automatically wash them? I'd like to > have a list of addresses to remove based on bounced mails, and that > have > been bouncing for a certain period or number of times. Preferably > without sending probes, but if I have to I might consider that too. > What > are you guys doing to handle such issues? Is there any tools you would > recommend? Use Mailman for your mailing list software; Mailman is smart enough to understand bounces from list traffic and disable or remove old addresses. The FreeBSD lists are using Mailman now... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 17:31:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A4E16A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meisai.numachi.com (meisai.numachi.com [198.175.254.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72F8B43D46 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:31:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 15059 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 17:31:30 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by meisai.numachi.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 17:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26963 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2005 17:31:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:31:30 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Charles Swiger Message-ID: <20050114173130.GY42653@numachi.com> References: <20050114131102.GA95157@totem.fix.no> <4B078DEB-664F-11D9-97FA-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B078DEB-664F-11D9-97FA-003065ABFD92@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Anders Nordby Subject: Re: Tools to wash email-lists for bouncing addresses X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:31:32 -0000 On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 12:11:13PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > Use Mailman for your mailing list software; Mailman is smart enough to > understand bounces from list traffic and disable or remove old > addresses. The FreeBSD lists are using Mailman now... ezmlm-managed lists do as well, but it's married to qmail, which might not be useful for you... As described on other lists, you'll need to be able to generate a message for each recipient with their subscribed address somehow encoded in the envelope sender address, such that when a bounce returns to the list manager, that software can extract it. Under the qmail universe, such a construct is called a VERP (Variable Envelope Return Paths): As far as I know, ezmlm was the first MLM to handle bounces in this manner, but many other MLMs now utilize similar features... In fact, a Google search on 'VERP' reveals many hits for other MTA/MLM combinations. > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Brian Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 15 00:31:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFF616A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a2.scoop.co.nz (aurora.scoop.co.nz [203.96.152.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01ED43D41 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a2.scoop.co.nz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0F0V4pb065387; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:31:04 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:31:04 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton To: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: <4B078DEB-664F-11D9-97FA-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050115132706.W9021@a2.scoop.co.nz> References: <20050114131102.GA95157@totem.fix.no> <4B078DEB-664F-11D9-97FA-003065ABFD92@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (a2.scoop.co.nz [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:31:05 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/643/Sun Dec 26 11:47:31 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on a2.scoop.co.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: FreeBSD-ISP List cc: Anders Nordby Subject: Re: Tools to wash email-lists for bouncing addresses X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:14 -0000 On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Jan 14, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Anders Nordby wrote: >> I have some mail lists with a lot of bouncing addresses that has been >> ignored for too long. How can I automatically wash them? I'd like to >> have a list of addresses to remove based on bounced mails, and that have >> been bouncing for a certain period or number of times. Preferably >> without sending probes, but if I have to I might consider that too. What >> are you guys doing to handle such issues? Is there any tools you would >> recommend? > > Use Mailman for your mailing list software; Mailman is smart enough to > understand bounces from list traffic and disable or remove old addresses. > The FreeBSD lists are using Mailman now... That works OK for simple mailing lists. I've got distribution lists where people can select the material they want based on word filters and the like, so every posting goes to a different set of people. I've been wondering if it would be possible to use parts of mailman for handling bounces and the like which are currently a major problem. Has anyone tried something like this? Any suggestions? Andrew McNaughton -- The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example." - George Bush, 26 June 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew McNaughton Living in a shack in Tasmania andrew@scoop.co.nz Between the bush and the sea Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc http://www.scoop.co.nz/